Gudgel-list@eskimo.com Archive Sorry about the mail headers. I will delete them as I can. I will also try to edit things as LITTLE as possible. The newest articles are at the end of this archive. If I insert comments it will be with (b.g.) or (bg) plus the comment. questions etc. can be mailed to me at bgudgel@eskimo.com Bob D. Gudgel Seattle, WA. Old-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:44:55 -0800 From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL'S FROM KENTUCKY! Welcome aboard all you GUDGEL's and any others who may be interested! And a special big "THANKS!" to Bob GUDGEL for setting this up for us. He's a jewel! So everyone pass the word about the mail list and lets get this thing rolling! This is going to ge great! Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY lfinnell@lex.infi.net From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL MAIL LIST Welcome aboard to all you GUDGEL researchers and other interested persons! And a big "THANK YOU" to Bob GUDGEL for setting this up for us. Please spread the word to others who may be interested and let's get this list rolling! Thanks, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY lfinnell@lex.infi.net From: lfinnell Subject: REQUEST TO ALL GUDGEL RESEARCHERS Since we just got this list up and going, how about everyone doing a brief query as to what areas of this family you are researching? I hope each of you will send something so that others will know where your lines come in and maybe their locations, dates and allied family names. We also need for each of you to send an email about this new list to those you've been in contact with on the net or even those who can be reached via snail mail. I plan on contacting a few myself this weekend. I will also submit my line of descent this weekend when I have more time (presently on my lunch hour!). For the record, if I can help anyone with data from PA>KY>IN>IL>MO and further west, give me a yell. I was raised in Anderson Co., KY and now live the next county east in Woodford Co., KY. The success of this list depends on each of us and not to just a few. We need your support! Thanks :) Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY lfinnell@lex.infi.net From: lfinnell Subject: Gudgel family connection Can any of you GUDGEL researchers help this person out on his research in Bath Co., KY? Thanks, Linda > >Have located information in my family research on a Gudgel-Harper marriage. >In Bath County KY in 1800s. Any connection to your research? Will send >further info if interested. MRodland@aol.com > From: lfinnell Subject: Gudgel family connection Thanks for your post and your interest in the GUDGEL family. I have GUDGEL ties to Bath Co. also and will look for HARPER connections. Can you give me more info.-names, etc. to narrow my search? We have just begun a GUDGEL mail list if you are interested and I am forwarding your query to the list so that others may help you. (b.g. deleted subscription info) There is also a GUDGEL homepage you may find interesting with lots of history on the GUDGEL's at: http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgel.htm Thanks for your interest and feel free to ask or send any questions or info. to the list. We can use all the support we can get! Thanks! :) Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY lfinnell@lex.infi.net >Have located information in my family research on a Gudgel-Harper marriage. >In Bath County KY in 1800s. Any connection to your research? Will send >further info if interested. MRodland@aol.com > > From: lfinnell Subject: Gudgel family connection > >Have located information in my family research on a Gudgel-Harper marriage. >In Bath County KY in 1800s. Any connection to your research? Will send >further info if interested. MRodland@aol.com > >Reply: I have a Sallie (F. or J. ?) GUDGELL (1824-1909) who married a Daniel HARPER in 1846 in Bath Co., KY. Sallie was the daughter of Allen GUDGELL (1788 Bath Co., KY-1868 Bath Co., KY) and Rebecca REID (1788-1872). Allen and Rebecca GUDGELL both buried in the GUDGEL(L) Cemetery in Owingsville, BAth Co., KY. It is believed (but not yet documented) that Allen was the son of Andrew GUDGEL(L), Jr. of Bath Co., KY (1760-1840) and Jane MITCHELL (d. before 1840). I have no other data on Sallie GUDGELL or Daniel HARPER. Andrew GUDGELL, Jr. was the son of Andrew GUDGEL(L), Sr., son of our German immigrant ancestor, Frederick GOTTSCHALK. There are many lines in this family and hopefully we can sort this maze out. Hope this helps. Linda Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:59:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Reply-To: Bob Gudgel Subject: how to subscribe + some Gudgel stuff Remember, that, when subscribing to the gudgel mail list, that the word "subscribe" goes in the SUBJECT line and not the message or "body" of the email. There has been a little confusion here. There is already some good activity. Remember, also, that when I get mail from the mail list, it automatically goes to the archive file which is available on the web page. However, right now I have to manually edit out the long, meaningless, and boring space hogging mail headers and I may sometimes take a day or two to get rid of them. Now on to Gudgel stuff: One question I have is about the spelling of one of Old Andrew Gudgel's wives, Elizabeth Payne. Is it "Payne", "Pane" or what? I have letters that show both, and maybe even another spelling. I received a great package of information from Victor Shackleton in Portland Oregon, which I found from submissions to the family tree maker CD ROMs. (www.familytreemaker.com) and found at Costco. Victor, his wife Roberta and a couple of her cousins, (I hope they subscribe to the list and will give their names when I find them again), have done a lot of research on Old Andrew's son, John Gudgel born in 1776, and his wife Jane Harbinson, their son Andrew Gudgel born 1809, and his third wife, Elizabeth Staples, and their son, Francis Marion Gudgel (b. 1834), which is pictured on the Gudgel web page with his brother, Calvin in their Union army uniforms. Francis Marion Gudgel and first wife, (he had 2), Rebecca Valentine had a daughter, Martha Lucina Gudgel, (b. 1867), who married Thomas Lewis Moberly in 1885, and then the Moberly and other families continue. Wow! What a LOT of people! Reminds me of one: Once upon a time, there were two chinese, now look how many. There are other brothers and sisters and kids mentioned, of course. My basic relation back to Old Andrew is on my Gudgel web page, (thanks to my sister in Anchorage, AK., Dianne), but is incomplete past my grandfather. A lot of my close Gudgel relatives live in or near Chowchilla California. So, what info is there about Frederick Gottshalk, from Germany? Is he REALLY Old Andrew's dad? It would be neat to find out. Enough for the moment. I could go on for hours. I'm sure this will all go on for years! Bob Gudgel Seattle, WA. Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:05:02 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL(L)- Bath Co., KY & Petersburg, IL (1856-1975) I have found a Bible Record (1856-1975) through the LDS library for Alva Curtis CRAWFORD (b. 1856 Petersbirg, IL, d. 1921) who marr. Elta Valitta BARROWS. It includes the surnames of BUSBY, PAYNE, LONG and GUDGELL. I know there was a BUSBY married into the GUDGELL family of Bath Co., KY. Does anyone know who this family is? Thanks, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY lfinnell@lex.infi.net Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:04:39 From: Daniela Moneta Subject: My Gudgel line Hello Everyone! I am really happy to have this Gudgel-list. Thanks Bob. The following information is not new to some of you whom I have been corresponding with but it may be new to some of our new researchers. It is pieced together from some of my older emails. I hope it makes sense. Here is my Gudgel line: Andrew GODSHALL/GUDGEL was born in Germany ca 1730 and immigrated with his family to Pennsylvania. His father is thought to be Frederick Godshall. He lived in Bucks Co., PA for some time and may have moved to Chester Co. before settling in Fayette Co., PA. He had lots of children, maybe as many as 17. My ancestor was Susanna Gudgel who married Gabriel WOODFILL. Susanna's mother was believed to be Barbary HOCH. Barbara was probably the second wife of Andrew. What I can tell you is a little of what I know about three of Andrew's daughters, by Barbary, who married three WOODFILL brothers. But first I need to tell you a little about my earliest WOODFILL ancestor, Joseph WOODFIELD, who came to this country from Wales or England with his wife and several children in 1750. They settled in the Philadelphia area. Joseph's wife died during a plague about 1764 leaving young children. Family history has it that three of the children were given over to the GUDGELs (Andrew and Barbary) to raise. They were Mary, Nancy, and John (ages 12, 10 and 8); three younger boys, Joseph Jr., Gabriel and Daniel (twins) were bound out and taken to Virginia. The boys were unhappy and ran away back to Pennsylvania and were also taken in by the GUDGELs. At the time Joseph's wife died the family was living in Chester Co., PA. That makes six Woodfill children raised by Gudgels. When Nancy Woodfield was 16 she married James DENBO. The GUDGELs asked James DENBO to accompany them on a trip to southwestern Pennsylvania. I think that would have been 1769. Several families moved to what is now Fayette Co. The GUDGELs property was called Peaceable. According to research by Chester F. Brenton (microfilm of his paper in LDS library, under Woodfield), Joseph Woodfield/Woodfill, Jr. married Catharine Gudshall (who was born 1 Mar 1760 prob. in Chester) in Luzerne twp, Fayette Co., PA on 20 Oct 1777. The twins, Daniel and Gabriel Woodfill, were born 9 Jan 1758 in Chester. Daniel married Elizabeth Gudschall (who was born 23 Apr 1763) on 1 Nov 1779 and Gabriel married Susanna Gudschall (who was born 23 Apr 1759 prob. in Philadelphia) on 24 Oct 1777 in Washington Co., PA. Mr. Brenton does not have any references or documentation for this information. He said that he got most of his information about the Gudshalls and Peaceable from material in the Pittsburgh library in a big book about the history of Monongahela Valley and Washington Co. He doesn't remember the name of the book. There is a photocopy of a newspaper article in Mr. Brenton's paper (no date or title given) about the DAR placing a plaque on Joseph Woodfill, Jr.'s grave (he remained in PA and died in Uniontown). The article said that in 1769-1770 a number of families traveled together and arrived on the banks of the Monongahela River . . . . Among these settlers there were such names as Brown, Crawford, Denbo, Godshall, Woodfill, Hawkins and several others. I noticed on a map that Linda Finnell sent me of the Gudgel land in Peaceable that Josiah Crawford was Andrew Gudgel's neighbor and John Crawford lived further south toward the bottom of the map. We should try to find out where these families appear together before 1769-70. Were they in Chester Co., Philadelphia, Bucks Co.? Something else mentioned in the newspaper article about the DAR plaque is that the area of the Monongahela River, where the families settled in Redstone County, was claimed by three states, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Maryland, and that each state made land grants. Dianne, you have wondered about some Gudgels being born in Maryland. Could it be that it was the same area which is now Pennsylvania but claimed at the time by Maryland? The article goes on to say something about where the families settled in Redstone. It says "After a short rest each family set out to claim and mark the land for which they had bargained before they left their homes to cross the mountains. The Denbos chose the land where Denbo and Denbo Heights now stand. The Woodfills chose the land at the foot of this hill and which has since been known as "Low Hill." The Hockins, the land where we are standing (NOTE: they are referring to the Taylor Cemetery where the DAR ceremony took place which could be in or near Uniontown, PA) a broad level strip, . . . and decided this would be the place for a meeting house being a central place as the others had gone further west and north. They cleared the land, dressed the logs and built a church known as "Log Church" or "Hockins Meeting House." What this seems to me to say is, of the families that came together to Redstone (Brown, Crawford, Denbo, Godshall, Woodfill, Hawkins and several others), the Woodfills lived at Low Hill and the Godshalls and others settled further west and north. Also in Mr. Brenton's notes is written that one of the Woodfield daughters, Mary, who was born in Wales in 1750 and went to live with the Gudschalls about 1765/66, married a James Brenton ca. 1772. In 1779 James and Mary moved to Mercer Co., KY. After James was killed in the Battle of Blue Licks, Mary sold out and bought land in 1787 in Shelby Co., KY. She sold this land in 1800 (the year that Andrew bought land in Shelby) and moved to Trimble Co., KY. I thought this was interesting because James and Mary seem to be the first couple to move to KY. Terri Montigny made a wonderful discovery last year in the dusty basement of the Uniontown, PA court house. She found a primary source document about one of Andrew's old debts. Apparently in 1757 he owed someone money and the note clearly stated he was in Richland, Bucks Co, PA. She also found where Andrew was owed money from someone and he turned the note over to Andrew, Jr. who in turn turned it over to a Woodfill in KY. She said the name was spelled lots of different ways, but the Bucks Co note was "Gotchel." Barbara was the wife's name in all cases where it was given. I hope we can make a lot of progress together and can solve some of the Gudgel mysteries!!! Love, Daniela From: Shellygen Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:09:39 EST Subject: Barbara Quigley Gudgel Am looking for family of Barbara Quigley Gudgel, daughter of Lawrence J. QUIGLEY (1898-1966). Family possibly lived in Orange, NJ. It is the QUIGLEY family I am searching, and wish to find her descendants. I do not know Barbara's husband's name, and have no info on Gudgels whatever. Thanks for any help. Shelly Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:23:22 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Re: Gudgel family connection Can anyone helo mrodland@aol.com out on this one? Linda Return-Path: >From: MRodland >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:21:56 EST >To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net >Subject: Re: Gudgel family connection >Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > >Linda - We have a common ancestry connection there - Daniel Harper was the >son of John and Mary Harper of Bath Co KY - his brother George was my great- >great grandfather - and later moved to Jackson Co MO. George (& Lucinda >Bramblett) Harper's first daughter Zarelda (b:1828) was married to Russell >Noland also of Bath Co KY in 1846, and they moved to Hendricks Co IN, then to >Jackson Co MO by 1870........Have located other info on the family through >census, and court records, and can send copies if interested. Believe Daniel >was a county sheriff or constable....will check out my files and verify. > >Have located several persons here on genealogy boards that are "family >connected" and it has been an interesting research for my Noland family great- >great grandparents who appear to have been born in Madison Co KY. From census >info the Harpers were from Virginia.... > >Thanks again for your reply - Margaret > > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:40:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Old Andrew's Sr.'s Kids names I wanted to post, in this case, just the Kids and wives of Old Andrew Sr. (the one born around 1727), as given to me from Victor Shackleton, and see if we can consolidate and agree on these names eventually. I see many spelling differences in this and other sources of course. Hopefully we can hear from these relatives (that did this research)some more. Dianne, (b.g. my sister), Do you still have these Lady's names and numbers I gave you. I seem to have misplaced them. They are Victor Shackleton's Wifes (Roberta Moberly) cousins in (I think) Colorado. Daniela, look at the similarity on the Woodfill-Wordfield name for Elizabeth. Could she be Susanna? Could Barbara Hoch be Barbary? This list has Barbara as being another wife of old Andrew, though. I count 17 kids here. This list was printed from some kind of genealogy program (familytreemaker?) so some formats are wierd, such as a birthdate being BEFORE a mariage date, which of course is true, but a strange way of saying it. Family tree maker is where I found out about Victor (Portland, Oregon). Like I said before, I am posting JUST old Andrew'as kids, as listed on Victor's printout that he gave me (with a bunch more good stuff, mainly, but not only, from John Gudgel's line). Hopefully, I haven't made too many typos. Bob Gudgel (I've put a "b.g. where I have commented) Andrew Sr. and Katherine, Mrs. Gudgel had the following children: Sarah Gudgel born before 1791, the first event for which there is a recorded date. Sarah died 1810 (or after) Woodford Co., Ky at age unkonwn. She married Jacob Stucker 1791 in Woodford Co., KY Mary (Polly) Gudgel was born before 1792, the first event of which there is a recorded date. Mary died at unknown date and age. Elizabeth Gudgel (unknown birthdate) and died in Jefferson Co, IN at unknown date and age. She married Daniel Wordfield in Woodford Co. KY Jean (Jane) Gudgel unknown birth, death date. Maria Johanna Gudgel born June 10, 1750. Date and age at death unknown. Ester May Gudgel born May 7, 1753. Date and age at death unkown. Daniel Gudgel born 1755 died 1821 in Jefferson Co., IN at age 66. Jacob Gudgel born in TO 1775 1765. Jacob died 1830 in TO 1840, Franklin CO., KY at age 65. (b.g. Not sure what the TO stuff is) Andrew Gudgel JR. born in Baltimore MD. 1774. died in Bath CO., IN at unknown date and age. John Gudgel born 1776 in PA. died 1859 in ABT, Jefferson CO., IN at age 83. (b.g. ABT?-- intersting that he married Jane Harbinson, maybe) Abraham Gudgel born in VA January 26, 1784. died 1815 in Jefferson CO., IN at age 31. He married Elzabeth Hrbinson (b.g. Elizabeth Harbinson I presume), 1808 in Woodford CO., KY. Hannah Gudgel born 1785. died in 1824 at age 39 She married Jesse Musick OR Mureck in 1801. born, died unknown date, age Andrew SR. and Barbara UNKNOWN had the following children: Sophia Gudgel born, died unknown date, age. She married Spencer Allen Gudgel born in Bath CO., KY. February 14, 1788 died 1868 age 80 Andrew SR. and Elizabeth Payne had the following children: Hester Helen (Hetty) Gudgel born before march 31, 1821 in KY. the first event for which there is a recorded date. died unknown date, age. Hester married Harrison Davis Mcgary March 31, 1821 in Gibson CO., IN. (b.g. I see now why the birth date was before 1821) Nancy Gudgel born December 2, 1797. died December 6, 1828 in Owensville, Gibson CO., IN at age 31. She married William Teel 1816 in IN William Gudgel born February 11, 1801 in KY. died January 22,1877 in Owensville, Gibson CO., IN at age 75. He married Lucinda (Lucy) Truman unknown dates. (b.g. William and Lucy is evidently where I came from) (b.g. Dianne, you have Lucy as "Thurman" I beleive) (b.g.) Doyal Gudgel wrote: From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Old Andrew's Sr.'s Kids names Regarding Nancy Teel, William Gudgel and others are buried in the family cemetery at Ownesville Ind on the Old Andrew Gudgel farm. I will pick out the ones referred to in your letter as far as I can remember. Bob Gudgel wrote: > > > Hannah Gudgel born 1785. died in 1824 at age 39 She married Jesse > Musick OR Mureck in 1801. born, died unknown date, age I think Hanna and Jesse Musick are buried on the farm Should be Musick > Andrew SR. and Elizabeth Payne had the following children: > Andrew is buried on the farm. I have a picture of his cabin. Rather what was left of it. It was dismantled and moved to Ownesville with the intention of the Boy Scouts making some sort of historical monument but it never got started and the logs were lost. > Nancy Gudgel born December 2, 1797. died December 6, 1828 in Owensville, > Gibson CO., IN at age 31. She married William Teel 1816 in IN Buried on the farm I believe. Referring to Nancy and William Teel > William Gudgel born February 11, 1801 in KY. died January 22,1877 in > Owensville, Gibson CO., IN at age 75. He married Lucinda (Lucy) Truman > unknown dates. (b.g. William and Lucy is evidently where I came from) > (b.g. Dianne, you have Lucy as "Thurman" I beleive) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:22:19 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Let Me Introduce Myself Hello to all you GUDGEL rooters! It's great to see each of you getting involved in this. And I can't say thanks enought to Bob GUDGEL who has made this all possible, Thanks BOB! My name is Linda GUDGEL FINNELL and I live in Versailles, Woodford Co., KY. I am a native of Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY and grew up in the community of Alton. There are lots of GUDGEL's from that area especially from the line of Jacob GUDGEL (son of Andrew, Sr,). Jacob married Dricilla DRISKELL/DRISKILL. I have been researching the GUDGEL lines for about 10 years. I have always had an interest in it but really got into it right before my father passed away in 1990. There are two things I want to do tonight. First I want to send the list my line of descent and secondly I want to make some corrections to the info. sent today by Bob GUDGEL via Victor Shackleton. We are all going to have small differences but that's why we are here to help get this straight (right?). Everyone should feel free to send any discrepancies you might find in another's research and we will try and document the correct information. For a little about myself and my family: I have been marr. to Gary FINNELL for almost 29 years (an old Woodford Co. boy who took me away from Anderson Co. :) . I have two daughters, Gina, age 23, who is a teacher, and Carrie, age 19, who is a freshman at the University of KY. I am a District Court Clerk here in Woodford Co. for the last year and a half after having had a career in the Thoroughbred Industry for a long time. And I love working on genealogy! That's it. I'll close for now. Want to get started on my other info. to the list. Thanks to everyone and just jump right in! Linda Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:36:47 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: Re: Good Gudgel Synopsis Thanks Daniela for your great summary. I do believe there is more to learn on that boundary problem between VI, PENN and MD. I don't have any doubt that the VI and PENN line moved back and forth a lot, but I am not sure how the MD border fit into the picture. I would think it was too far east to be a factor in the birthplace discrepancy. But I am hoping that Sally Gudgel in D.C. will have time to look at the various documents there or nearby and thus help sort out things. Early maps would be of great value I suspect. If Sally isn't able to do this research, then perhaps we can ask others to try. Bob, I hope that you will add one thing to your Andrew Sr children summary: I have information that says Andrew Jr was born in 1760 in Baltimore. So could you put that in as an alternate date. I am not sure how we can make a composite of your data plus that of others as it comes in, like Daniela's. But if we do, it will be easier to sort through things and figure stuff out. Regarding the Crawford family that came with Gudgel's when they moved to Fayette Co area-- (glad to get that ref as I may not have ever hear of it)--my years of subscription to the SE Penn Genealogy Society Journal for Fayette Co and Westmoreland Co, reveal that when Gudgel sold his land about the time he moved to KY, that he sold various parcels and the name Crawford and Craig crop up as buyers for his land. I believe other evidence in the journals mentions that Crawford was a Quaker or Mennonite which fits well with our information on Gudgel's non-swearing of an oath at his PENN naturalization in Philidelphia in (what was it 1749?). In assessing the children of Andrew Sr., I see a pattern--many kids were born in the 1780s and some in the 1770s. A few in the 1790s and the last in 1801. If it's true that Andrew Jr WAS born in 1760, then there may have been others who died because we don't have other birthdays of kids in the 1760s. In most cases kids were born 2 yrs a part because breast-feeding produces a natural 2-year contraceptive mechanism. The children born in the 1750s who are attributed to Andrew Sr seem to be spaced very far a part from the others. This makes me suspecious. I see that my brother's summary from the Shakelton's places Daniel as a son of Andrew Sr. Do we have evidence for this? Daniel has always been a puzzle to us. I see also that Shakelton's data says A Jr. was born in 1774 not 1760. It would be nice to get the documentation on this. It would fit better if he were born in 1774 though. But--don't we see his name in the Fayette Co records as being involved with court things in the 1770s or 80s? He would have to be an adult to be involved, so this would point more to him actually being born in 1760. Right? Dianne G-H, Anchorage Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: A LITTLE HISTORY ON ANDREW GUDGEL, SR.'S KNOWN CHILDREN >From early deeds recorded in PA we find the name of Andrew and Catharine, his wife. Years later we find another deed that states Andrew and Barbara/Barbary, his wife (both spellings were used in this deed). So we know the first names of wife #1 and #2, however I haven't been able to determine which wife had which children for certain. With no dates of marriage it is even harder to determine-also not knowing all of the exact dates of birth of the children is a problem here. Here's what I have: Maria Johanna GOTTSCHALK-b. June 10, 1750 or 1751 Bedminster Twp., Bucks Co., PA. From baptism records of Tohickon Union Church. No other data. Mother was Catharine Elizabeth. Ester May GOTTSCHALK-b. May 7, 1753 Bedminster Twp., Bucks Co., PA. >From baptism records of Tohickon Union Church. No other data. Mother was Catharine Elizabeth. Mary "Polly" GUDGELL-d. after 1819. Marr. Michael ODOM Oct. 5, 1792 Woodford Co., KY. (I have a copy of this marriage bond). Later went to Opelousas, LA as Census records are recorded there for this family. Had 6 known children. Mary "Polly" and Michael named in Land Trial Records in 1819 Woodford Co., KY. Jean or Jane GUDSHALL- d, after 1819. Unmarried at father's death. No other data. Jane named in Land Trial Records in 1819 in Woodford Co., KY. Sophia GUDSHALL-b. 1790, d. after 1819. Named in Land Trial Records 1819 Woodford Co., KY. Married Francis HOPKINS Jan. 1, 1818 Gibson Co., IN. Have heard she marr. a second time but have not documented this. No record of children born. Elizabeth GUDGELL/GUDSHALL-b. April 23, 1763, d. Aug. 6, 1843 (probably in Madison, Jefferson Co., IN). Marr. Daniel WOODFIELD/WOODFILL Nov. 1, 1799 in Soutwest PA. 9 known children. Elizabeth and Daniel came to KY shortly after her father, Andrew, as they appear on Militia Tax Rolls in Woodford Co. in 1795. Both named in Land Trial Records 1819 Woodford Co., KY. as WORDFIELD. Later went to Jefferson Co., IN-many descendants there. Sarah GUDSHALL/GUDGELL- b. after 1770, d. after 1819. Married Jacob STUCKER March 24, 1791 Woodford Co., KY. (I have a copy of this marriage bond). Both named in Land Trial Records 1819 Woodford Co., KY. 10 known children. This family also appears on the 1795 Militia Tax Rolls of Woodford Co., KY. Andrew GUDGEL(L), Jr.-B. 1760-1774 Baltimore, MD, d. 1840 Bath Co., KY. Marr. Jane MITCHELL Jan. 10, 1792 Woodford Co., KY (I have a copy of this marriage bond also). Believe he came to KY later-following his father. (ref. History of KY Illustrated, Perrin, Battle & Kniffin-pg. 835/Edition 8-B- states he came to KY about 1792 and settled in Bath Co., KY. Was once of the first Justice of the Peace and also served as Sheriff for one term). 6 known children. Will dated Jan. 14, 1840 Bath Co., KY. Jacob GUDGELL, Sr.-b. 1775 Westmoreland Co., PA (per LDS family files), d. 1830-1840 (where?). Marr. Drucilla "Drusey" DRISKELL/DRISKILL July 2, 1791 Woodford Co., KY ( I have a copy of this marriage bond also). Had land surveyed in Woodford Co., KY in 1793 and also appears on the Militia Tax Rolls in 1795. Later was on Franklin Co., KY (now Anderson Co.). Had 7 known children. John GUDGEL(L)-b. 1776 PA, d. 1851 Jefferson Co., IN. Marr. Jean HARBISON, dau. of David HARBISON and Catherine DOUGHERTY, May 23, 1804 Woodfood Co., KY. (My copy of marriage bond was signed by Catharine HARBYSON (note spelling)with an "X", George DAUGHERTY (note spelling), and Andrew HERRON/HERREN. 15 known children (3 died early). Family went to Jefferson Co., IN. Jean HARBISON GUDGEL bur. Graham Twp., Jefferson Co., IN. John and Jean were not named in the original Land Trial Records in 1819 Woodford Co., KY but he did appear later and gave a deposition for the case on Saturday, June 2, 1821 as recorded in Woodford Co. Court records. Hannah GUDGELL/GUDSHALL- b. Jan. 10, 1785 (PA?), d. 1824 Gibson Co., IN. Mar. (1) Jesse MUSICK Nov. 7, 1801 Woodford Co., KY (I have a copy of this marriage bond), (2) Adam TEEL Sept. 5, 1817 Gibson Co., IN. Jesse MUSICK was killed in 1811 in the Battle of Tippicanoe in Indiana. 2 children by Jesse MUSICK. No known children by Adam TEEL. Hannah and Jesse were both named in Land Trial Records 1819 Woodford Co., KY. Abraham GUDGEL(L)/GUDSHALL-b. Jan. 26, 1784 (PA?), d. Oct., 1815, Jefferson Co., IN. Marr. July 21, 1808 Woodford Co., KY. Elizabeth HARBISON, sister of Jean HARBISON who marr. John GUDGELL. (I have a copy of this marriage bond signed by Catharine HARBYSON (with an "X") and Benjamin UTTERBACK. Abraham/Abram appears on the 1795 Milita Tax Rolls of Woodford Co., KY. NOTE: The mother of these children listed above are by wife #1 and wife #2. Children of the last marriage appear below: ====================================================================== Wife #3: Andrew came to KY about 1788 and married Elizabeth "Betsy" PAYN(E) Oct. 5, 1793 Woodford Co., KY. (I have a copy of this marriage bond). Family lore says she was a young widow with young children when they married and her maiden name may have ben PAUL). Part of this was apparently right because she was 30 and he was 66 when they married. Children by Elixabeth "Betsy" PAYN(E): (Marriage bond spells it PAYN) Nancy Jane GUDSHALL/GUDGELL- b. Dec. 2, 1797 KY, d. Oct. 6, 1878 Gibson Co., IN. Marr. (1) July 9, 1816 William P. TEEL Gibson Co., IN. (2) David THOMAS Mar. 19, 1849. 2 known children by Mr. TEEL. William P. TEEL, I beleive, was a brother to Adam TEEL, that marr. Hannah GUDGELL. After the death of David Thomas, Nancy appears in the 1850 Census living with a daughter, Mariah TEEL McKEDDY. In 1856 she is applying for widow's benefits from William TEEL's service in the War of 1812. Nancy is named in the 1819 Land Trial Court Records in Woodford Co., KY as Nancy GUDSHALL (not sure why..she was married in 1816 to Mr. TEEL???). Both Adam TEEL and Nancy are bur, in GUDGEL Cemetery, Gibson Co., IN. Hetty "Hester" GUDSHALL/GUDGEL(L)-b. ca. 1800 KY, died ?. Married Harrison Davis McGARY April 5, 1821 Gibson Co., IN. Have also seen her name as Helen. Named in 1819 Land Trial Court Records Woodford Co., KY as Hella GUDSHALL. No children of this marriage. William GUDSHALL/GUDGEL(L)-b. Feb. 11, 1801 or 1802 KY, d. Jan. 22, 1877 Gibson Co., IN. Marr. Lucinda "Lucy" THURMAN Feb. 12, 1824 Gibson Co., IN. 12 known children. William named in the 1819 Land Trial Court Records of Woodford Co., KY. Both William and Lucinda bur. in GUDGEL Cemetery, Gibson Co., IN. Many descendants. ======================================================================== Well, I am very tired at this point! I've been jumping up and down from my computer trying to gather all the correct info. for you guys, but I will close with these comments: Andrew GUDGELL, Jr. is listed as being born in Baltimore, MD. The only reason I think it was recorded this way was because at that particular time their was so much controvesy over where the Mason Dixon Line should actually be. I think it was listed Baltimore, MD but in fact when the final ruling was made it was part of PA. Wife #2, Barbara/Barbary: I am not so sure she didn't come to KY with Andrew and some of the kids. As yu can see some apparently stayed in the north while the younger ones came to KY. Not sure when she died but believe he came to KY about 1788 and didn't marry until 1792. (I don't mean this to be disrespectful at all...but I can't imagine him staying single that long! :) Now comes the issues that everyone is questioning: There are several other GUDGEL's that researchers think were children of our old Andrew: Daniel GUDGEL(L)- I think so, but can't prove it. Settled in Jefferson Co., IN Allen GUDGELL of Bath Co., KY-I don't think so. I think he is the son of Andrew GUDGEL, Jr. (Just my two cents worth). Elijah GUDGELL-have seen reference to this only once that he was the son of Andrew, Sr. I don't think so. My Dad used to say that there was Old Jake (Jacob, Sr.) and he had Elijah, Sr., then there was Jacob Madison GUDGELL. This was my line: Jacob, Sr.-the father (son of Andrew, Sr.) a/k/a Old Jake Elijah-the son Jacob Madison GUDGELL- grandson I really think Dad believed this since it was a family story. Guess I beleive it too. Enough for now. Will send more later. Linda Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:18:03 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: MY LINE OF DESCENT Hi Gang! Below is my line of descent from Andrew GUDGEL, Sr.: (Please note the variations of spelling in the surname over the years). 1. Andrew GUDGEL, Sr.- (seen spelled many ways including GUDGEL(L), GODSHELL, GOTTSCHALL(K), GUDSHALL, GOTCHEL(L), GUDGEON, GUDGILL, GUTCHELL, GUGEL, GUDGIN, GUTCHILL, GODSHALL). b. 1727 Palatinate area of Germany -d. Aug. 15, 1815 Owensville, Gibson Co., IN. (believed to be the son of Frederick and Ann Mary GOTTSCHALK, who immigrated to America with a small son about 7 years old-at least that's the way the story has been handed down). Andrew, Sr. married 3 times and I am not sure which of the first two wives was the mother of my line of descent. Most likely, wife #1-Catharine Elizabeth (last name unknown). Had at least 17 children, maybe as many as 20. 2. Jacob GUDSHALL/GUDGEL, Sr.-b. 1775 Westmoreland Co., PA (per LDS family files), d. between 1830-1840 (where?-probably in KY). Married Drucilla DRISKELL/DRISKILL, July 2, 1791 Woodford Co., KY. Drucilla was the dau. of Timothy DRISKILL and Priscilla DOBBINS. Drucilla was a member of the Salt River Primitive Baptist Church. Had at least 7 known children. 3. Elijah GUDGELL, Sr.-b. Sept. 9, 1797 KY, d. Mar.17, 1866 Anderson Co., KY. Married May 5, 1819 Mercer Co., KY to Lydia BELL. Both buried in GUDGEL cemetery, Anderson Co., KY. Had 10 children. 4. Jacob Madison GUDGEL-b. Feb. 18, 1833 Anderson Co., KY, d. June 22, 1896 Anderson Co., KY. Marr. Frances Matilda Frances GRIFFEY Nov. 17, 1856 Anderson Co., KY. Both bur. GUDGEL Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY. Had 8 children. 5. Allie Lee GUDGEL(L)-b. Dec. 5, 1875 Anderson Co., KY, d. Oct. 15, 1899 Anderson Co., KY. Marr. Clara Hutson HAWKINS Dec. 15, 1896 Anderson Co., KY. Both bur. Fox Creek Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY. Had 1 child. 6. Samuel Madison GUDGEL-b. June 10, 1899 Anderson Co., KY, d. Sept. 20., 1940 Anderson Co., KY. Marr. Verna Elwood HUTCHISON Aug. 14, 1918 Anderson Co., KY. Samuel bur. Fox Creek Cemetery Anderson Co., KY, Verna bur. Alton Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY (with second husband). Had 3 children. 7. Norman Earl GUDGEL I- b. Oct. 1, 1925 Anderson Co., KY, d. July 27, 1990 Anderson Co., KY. Marr. (1) Catherine MArie PEFFER March 16, Fayete Co., KY, (2) Ida C. GOODLETT in 1962. Norman and Ida both bur. Alton Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY. 3 children by wife #1 (including me) and 1 child by wife #2. 8. Linda Carol GUDGEL -b. Jan. 11, 1949 Franklin Co., KY. Marr. August 29, 1969 Woodford Co., KY to Gary FINNELL. This concludes my two cents worth. Thanks, Linda Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:26:03 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Abraham GUDGEL Hope someone from the line of Abraham GUDGEL (son of Andrew, Dr.) can answer a question for me...... I had been in touch via snail mail and email with a lady named Mary Wingert of Olney, IL (mwingert@midwest.net) about Levin Wilsin (L.W.) GUDGEL, an attorney in Princeton, IN who was a descendant of Abraham GUDGEL. She sent me a copy of a letter dated (I think about 1853??) where L.W. was writing to Reuben GUDGEL, a Bourbon Co., KY attorney, asking for and giving info. about the GUDGEL lines descendants and ancestors. I have practically torn my house upside down trying to find this letter! (Sound familiar wo anyone? :) Anyway, this was about a year ago and I have put it somewhere and can't find it-has anyone been in touch with this lady? I have tried to reach her via email and got no response so maybe I will write her a letter if none of you can help. I remember that she was having some health problems at the time. Does anyone else have a copy of this letter? Thanks, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Me, Bob Gudgel OK, here's who I am. Bob Gudgel Born in Seattle Wa. July 2nd 1954. My parents are Doyal Thomas Gudgel, and my mother is Kathleen Vera Brown. My grandfather was Marion Floyd Gudgel who was Thomas Wiley Gudgel's kid. Well, one of them. I need to expand on those brothers and sisters on my Gudgel web page, but a lot of that family is or was in or near Chowchilla California and every couple of years, there is a family reunion there. The reunion is about descendants of Thomas Wiley Gudgel, basically. There is a picture of the group on the Gudgel page from 2 and a half years ago when Phillip (my stepson) and I went down there. It was great! Those Gudgels and my dad migrated from Oklahoma back in the early thirties, and a good story about it (plus a picture) is on the Gudgel web page, by my uncle Opal Gudgel. My wife, Penny Jo (Schultz) Gudgel is really into this genealogy stuff and is researching her grandfather. She's got quite a ways and quite a ways to go. Phillip is 15 years old, and Robbie Emmerson, (Phillip's brother), is 21. I am into electronics and right now I design power inverters and battery chargers for the alternative energy industry. I am also a ham (amateur radio operator) and talk to various people around the world. I also write and play music (mainly with a friend, George), and play guitar, keyboard, drums, and am trying to learn the violin now. Maybe, if we get some more information about Old Andrew, a folk song might be in order. I have this story that Victor Shcakleton sent me about him, and I'm sure some of you have already heard about it, about how Old Andrew would sit in his chair while the indians danced around him and patted him on the head for being brave or something like that. Actually there's a whole story about him from some old newspaper from IN or KY. This should be posted to the list, I'm sure. Wouldn't it be neat, if eventually we found enough information about Old Andrew's dad to go looking internationally? nuff for now. Bob Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:07:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Barbara Quigley Gudgel Shelly, have you looked for Quigley's in NJ I think it was? Sounds like it might be recent enough that some info might be around. Bob Gudgel. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:17:40 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: PERSONAL INVITATION TO OUR "READER" GROUP Hello to everyone! We are going good now and still expecting to hear from EVERYONE. So please send a message to the list. How about asking a question you need an answer to? Telling everyone what lines you are researching? Sharing some Bible records, obituaties with us? Doesn't have to be something from long ago either. Transcribe an old deed or Will to the list? A family story or memory you have about this family? Feel free to share with all of us. We're waiting to hear from ya'! Linda Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:36:19 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: MARRIAGE BOND I am going to try and send something to the list at least every other day if I can...so here's my contribution for the day: Jacob GUDSHALL and Drusey DRISKILL This may certify that I this day celebrated the marriage rites between Jacob GUDSHALL and Drusey DRISKILL according to the Law for the same given under my hand this 26th day of July, 1791. Gabriel Woodfield Know all men by these presents that we Jacob GUDSHALL & Timothy DRISKILL of the County of Woodford are held and firmly bound unto his excellency the Governor of Virginia in the sum of fifty pounds current money in the payment of which well and truly to be made we bind ourselves and each of our heirs ____and _____ jointly and severally firmly by these presents sealed and dated this 25th day of July 1791. The condition of this obligation is that whereas a marriage is shortly intended to be solemized between the above bound Jacob GUDSHALL and Drusey DRISKILL of the county aforesaid now if it shall hereafter always appear that there is no just cause to obstruct the said marriage then the obligation shall be void or else in full free. Jacob GUDSHALL (Seal) Timothy DRISKILL (Seal) (Recorded in Woodford Co., KY) Note: it says Governor of Virginia. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:35:33 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Good old Andrew This information about Andrew Gudgel and his second wife Catherine or perhaps his first one is from the Doylestown Bucks Pa county Historical Society Dec. 21, 1926. It was given me by Boyd Gudgel in 1974. The information came from Miss Elizabeth Maddox of Clinton Ill. In 1926. This is only a sketch of what she acquired from the Historical Society. . According to Miss Maddox He was naturalized by the Supreme court of Pa April 11, 1749. At the time a resident of Franconia Township. Now Montgomery County. He owned land in Bucks County., A Frederick Gottschall received interest in a grist mill from Andrew and Elizabeth Maddox thinks thought he might have been Andrews Father. Elizabeth claims Andrew did not appear in naturalization papers after 1727. The supreme court doing it as noted above. She also believes he came as a minor because of not being listed in naturalization papers. Elizabeth thinks he left Pa before the revolution but I believe I have information that he arrived in Ky after the Revolutionary war. After the revolutionary way anyone who didn't assist in the revolution could have been tarred and feathered which was a common fate of Loyalists. Many immigrated to Canada or to Louisiana to escape the fate. Although he was not a Loyalist he didn't help the revolution so could have had problems even if he was a Mennonite as it is claimed. When he arrived in Ky it was largely unsettled and peoples history could be largely hidden. If I remember right he arrived with Boone on Boone s second trip bringing people to Ky. It's my opinion and my opinion only is that he went to Ky to escape unpleasantness back in PA for non-supporters of the Revolution. Just how great this animosity is not generally known but it was great and violent. In fact the situation compared to the situation in Europe after WW2 for collaborators. This is evident from the thousands that fled to Canada and even Louisiana. Hot tar and feathering was a common fate for Loyalists. Someone asked for information about Hannah Gudgel and Jessie Musick. They were married in 1801 Nov 7 Woodford County Ky. Now I find that this information came from Miriam Louise Stirl of Reading PA Feb 24, 1928 and sent to Elizabeth Maddon. Feb 2, 1928 Miriam Stirl says to Elizabeth Maddon. This much is established . The year Andrew is in Bucks, whiner about in bucks his religion 2 children and the wife's first name. The reference given you is sufficient proof of a legal marriage for DAR Reference records. Thus Andrews and Catherine Elizabeth of Bucks have children born in 1750 As see date 1751 another in 1753 . A son born to them in the 1750's would easily be of proper military age by 1775 and serve thus. =========================================== There is more and anyone who would like a copy of the original should send me a stamped self addressed envelope. There are 5 pages. l Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:48:08 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Indenture Andrew Gudgel indentured his son Abraham to a William Graham in Woodford County in April 9, 1803. In this case it was for three years. Abraham agreed to indenture his son Abraham so Abraham could learn the black smithing trade. In actuality this indenture was actually slavery. The contract told how Graham could use Abraham. As the contract doesn't say we do not know how Graham treated Abraham. In many instances indentured servants were no better than slaves. An the New Testament servants were slaves. The word should have been translated slaves. \ At the end of three years Graham was to give Abraham 42 dollars in cash or property. Abraham could choose. Whether Graham lived up to his end of the bargain we do not know. In many instances masters did not. The history of indentured servants in America is a fascinating subject. Because Indentured slavery was such an important part of the history of America. For about one hundred and fifty years most of the laborers in America were white slaves. For a hundred hears or more before black slaves were brought in white slaves provided the labor to harvest the cotton, in America or cane in the Carribean. In fact one of my ancestor named Fairchild who had been in the famous prison Old Bailey in London was saved from the gallows and sent to Barbados as a white indentured servant (slave) to work the sugar cane plantations. But that is a another interesting story. But a little more on white slavery in American. England solved its poverty and surplus population problem kidnaping (that is where the name came from) the homeless, worthless, poor dregs of society off the streets of Glasgow or London and sending them to the colonies. The system of slavery was perfected with whites so when the opportunity arrived to provide black slaves the system was already set up and for a time both black and white slaves were brought to America. The transportation of white slaves to the Colonies ended when America obtained it's independence. Then England sent it's white slaves to Australia. If you are interested in this subject you can find out more by checking out what Michael Hoffman II has to say about it. He wrote a book on the subject. For a review of the Book They Were White and They were Slaves go to http://www.hoffman-info.com/forgottenslaves.html Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:10:42 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Address I posted some info on Andrew and offered to send it to anyone who asked. HoweverI forgot to give my address. Doyal Gudgel 3314 NE 182nd St\ Seattle WA 98155 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:27:58 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: Re:Gudgel data by Ms Maddox I have the same information about the Gudgels researched by Miss Elix Maddox in 1926 for someone else. It is this information that has been floating around for decades that I hope we can clarify as I believe there are many gaps and assumptions in the research that must be cleared up. The fact that Penn authorities allowed a second type of naturalization oath for those who "did not swear" shows to me that they were tolerant of other beliefs. I would not assume that Old Andrew's life was made more difficult during the Rev War because of his beliefs. And it is very clear from land sale records and other court records in Fayette Co, PA that Andrew left PA after the Rev War--about 1788-90. Dianne G-H Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:45:59 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Andrew GUDGEL I agree with Fiane that there are apparently descrepancies in Ms. Maddox's research due to the disposition of Andrew's land in PA. I also believe he left for KY about 1788 or 1789. Also, the mention of Andrew GUDGEL either being or not being a participant of the Revolutionary War by Doyal GUDGEL in a previous message brings some questions to mind. Andrew GUDGEL's name appears on a Revolutionary War monument at the (Gibson Co., IN Court House?), I believe. When we questioned the DAR about this they said that there were lines entered at one time that have become "closed lines" and that Andrew GUDGEL was classified as such. His participation was approved at one point when many names and lines were approved but at a later point some of those lines were "closed" doe to lack of sufficient evidence. I also am reminded of a letter that was seen my Mr. Jim Pope of St. Louis, MO (a GUDGEL researcher for many years), that was written by Hannah GUDGEL(L) MUISCK TEEL in which she spoke of her father's participation in the Revolution. I have not seen this letter but Mr Pope feels that Andrew may have stayed on and furnished supplies to the cause. Anyone care to comment on this? My last conversation with Mr. Pope ended with his trying to decide to go on-line with his computer. Of course I am encouraging him :) He said it would be after the first of the year, He has a doctorate in History and is retired from the Federal Government and worked with some kind of government maps so he knows where to get all kinds of good stuff. I do hope he decides to join us. Later, Linda Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:33:23 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: Dianne , gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gudgel data by Ms Maddox Dianne wrote: > > I have the same information about the Gudgels researched by Miss > Elix Maddox in 1926 for someone else. It is this information that > has been floating around for decades that I hope we can clarify > as I believe there are many gaps and assumptions in the research > that must be cleared up. It probably came from me. As I think I sent what I had to you years ago. But are not her records accurate? Her conclusions may be wrong but her documentation should be ok. There are gaps yes and I am not even sure that it was old Andrew that indentured his son. Unless it is known he had a son by that name. > > The fact that Penn authorities allowed a second type of > naturalization oath for those who "did not swear" shows to me > that they were tolerant of other beliefs. I would not assume that > Old Andrew's life was made more difficult during the Rev War > because of his beliefs. Maybe you are not as aware of the prevailing attitudes towards the losers unless you have actually studied the subject. Thousands of Americans went elsewhere after the war proving there was turmoil in the Colonies. Tarring and feathering was a favorite means of taking out vengeance on the losers. I don't think anyone can claim that the colonial era was a tolerant and enlightened era. Putting hot tar and feathers on a person was cruel and common. That was used exceedingly after the revolution. Before the revolution it was not possible to tar and feather someone you didn't like. But after the revolution this was done because the authorities were on the side of those who did it. Right out in the open. After the Civil war there was some tarring and feathering but not done out in the open with the permission of the law. Always in secret. > And it is very clear from land sale > records and other court records in Fayette Co, PA that Andrew > left PA after the Rev War--about 1788-90. As I said it was my opinion that he went to KY because of resentment for not helping the revolution. This is after the revolution and fits that theory. You know pulling up stakes then and moving to the wilderness of KY, still not wrested from indian control was a serious matter and not taken lightly. It was not like piling some belongings into the old station wagon and heading to a different state as we do now. No, it took lots of planning and courage to do what he did when he moved to Ky. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:44:45 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson CC: Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Andrew GUDGEL lfinnell wrote: > > I agree with Fiane that there are apparently descrepancies in Ms. Maddox's > research due to the disposition of Andrew's land in PA. I also believe he > left for KY about 1788 or 1789. > > Also, the mention of Andrew GUDGEL either being or not being a participant > of the Revolutionary War by Doyal GUDGEL in a previous message brings some > questions to mind. Andrew GUDGEL's name appears on a Revolutionary War > monument at the (Gibson Co., IN Court House?), I believe. This is not old Andrew Gudgel as Andrew Gudgel died in 1811 and was buried at Owensville Indiana. This Andrew hyou refer to is the son of William Gudgel who was born in Indiana after Old Andrew went there from Ky. I have some pictures of gravestones and the cabin at Owensville I will get to Bob so he can post for people to look at. The records from Mrs Maddox I offered so anyone could get them and compare with what they know and try to make sense out of it. There was considerable more information in them than I put in the letter. I think I have a picture of the monument. > When we > questioned the DAR about this they said that there were lines entered at one > time that have become "closed lines" and that Andrew GUDGEL was classified > as such. His participation was approved at one point when many names and > lines were approved but at a later point some of those lines were "closed" > doe to lack of sufficient evidence. > I also am reminded of a letter that was seen my Mr. Jim Pope of St. Louis, > MO (a GUDGEL researcher for many years), that was written by Hannah > GUDGEL(L) MUISCK TEEL in which she spoke of her father's participation in > the Revolution. I have not seen this letter but Mr Pope feels that Andrew > may have stayed on and furnished supplies to the cause. That is just speculation. No one has found any evidence of his participation in the Revolution. > Anyone care to comment on this? > > My last conversation with Mr. Pope ended with his trying to decide to go > on-line with his computer. Of course I am encouraging him :) He said it > would be after the first of the year, He has a doctorate in History and is > retired from the Federal Government and worked with some kind of government > maps so he knows where to get all kinds of good stuff. I do hope he decides > to join us. > > Later, Linda > > From: lfinnell Subject: Indenture The Indenture mentioned in the earlier message I thought named Abraham GUDGEL of Woodford Co., KY, not Andrew. Did I miss something? Linda Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:30:50 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Indenture lfinnell wrote: > > The Indenture mentioned in the earlier message I thought named Abraham > GUDGEL of Woodford Co., KY, not Andrew. Did I miss something? > > Linda > > Andrew Gudgel indentured his son Abraham in Woodford County Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:57:40 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Flora Nell Gudgel Godfrey Jan 5 1923 Died Jan 20 1998. Flora my sister died Tuesady morning in Fort Worth Texas at 1 AM The grave side service is today at noon. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:22:21 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Elijah GUDGEL(L) 1796-1866 Following is a letter written in 1864 from William GUDGEL(L) to his father, Elijah GUDGEL(L), Sr. of Anderson Co., KY. Elijah was a grandson of Andrew GUDGEL, our immigrant ancestor, and also the son of Jacob GUDGEL, Sr. and Drusey DRISKILL. William served in the Orphan Brigade, Co. G, 6th Regiment, Infantry (Oct. 2, 1861 thru May 6, 1865). William also had a brother, Elijah, who served in the Orphan Brigade, Co. H, 5th KY Regt., Cavalry, C.S.A. To aid those not familiar with this line I will give a little info here: William GUDGEL(L), b. Dec. 5, 1828, Anderson Co., KY-d. May 11, 1893 Jefferson Co., KY and bur. Hebron Church Cem., Anderson Co., KY. The 4th of 10 children born to Elijah GUDGEL(L), Sr. and Lydia BELL. William marr. (1) Mary Ellen HERNDON, (2)Elizabeth "Bettie" HERNDON BLEDSOE, sister of Mary Ellen. Elijah GUDGELL, Sr. (b. 1796 Franklin Co. (later Anderson Co.), KY-d. 1866 Anderson Co., KY. Lydia (b. 1799 VA-d. 1861 Anderson Co., KY. Both bur. in GUDGEL Cemetery, Rice Road, Anderson Co., KY. In 1994 a group of four families spent a "cleaning day" at this cemetery. We took 2 pick-ups full of weedeaters, rakes, chain saws, pruners, lunches, kids and 1 dog. Two of these families were not even related to this family but it was a wonderful day to spend outside and we had a great time sharing and working together. Smitty CROSSFIELD, who'se husband, Willie, is a GUDGEL descendant also went with us to show us how to get to the cemetery. I remembered years ago when I was about 16 that my Dad had taken me there and I remebered seeing Elijah's grave (even at such a young age I recorded the dates and info. on the stones I found...so you see...it must have been bred in me to love this stuff!). In the beginning of our cleanup we did not find Elijah's grave but we found the footstone beneath a large tree and his wife, Lydia's gravesite and footstone was beneath the tree also. I knew Elijah's gravestone had been there before. My husband had a blunt pronged pitchfork that he "tapped" around with till he noticed a different sound and sure enough...there was Elijah's gravemarker...covered with years of debris from weather, brush, downed trees, etc. We dug up the stone being careful not to go too deep (the kids were horrified that we would even attempt it!). It was in excellent condition apparently being protected by the soil that had covered it. So we raised the stone and filled in underneath to keep it from sinking again, and placed it beside Lydia's marker. This cemetery is quite large and is surrounded by a rock wall on all four sides. (Believe me, there is an art to reconstructing those old walls). This has to be one of the greatest finds of my genealogy searching! Elijah and Lydia are my 3rd great grandparents. So we cleaned and charted this cemetery. I have a plat of the cemetery and the stones we found for anyone who would like one. Here is the letter from William to his father, Elijah GUDGELL, Sr.: (submitted exactly as it is written with my comments in parenthesis)- *********************************************************************** November the 9 - 1864 Dear farther I take the opitunity of riting you a few lines to let you know that I am well at this time and hope when thoes few lines come to hand may find you well father the last time I saw Eliajh he was well that is binn three months ago I do not know where he is I think he is in Virginia, tell all my sisters and Jacob to rite to me I have not recived a letter from nun of them and allsoe tell my neases and nefews to rite to thare old uncle I have ritten sevrel letters and haven't received nay ancer from them I have nothing of importance to rite. the bois in my company are all well but there are but few of them. You must direct your letters to (loves?) (bigade?) (sin?) ky.rg ____ mounted infrey. We are now camped near Jonesborrow Jorga (GA). but I do not know where we will bea when this comes to hand. I must now come to a close give my (resecks?) to all my quiren friends and oblige your sun so no more at present I remain your sun untell death farewell I send you too stamps. William GUDGEL to Elijah GUDGEL ************************************************************************ Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:49:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: indenture and gudgels Well, as long as we are talking somewhat about indentured servants, etc., I pulled out a couple of copys of handwritten documents that I received from Victor S. My wife (Penny) works for King county and is VERY good at reading these kinds of documents and we sat down and I typed them in. I've tried to be careful at copying the spelling verbatum. These have very long sentences and hardly any periods. Some of you may already have these. I know I copied them for Dianne. I've put the verbatum parts in quote marks. Question marks denote questionable spelling and/or letters. THE FIRST ONE: A photocopy sent to me from Victor Shackleton no documentation as to origin included. Original script believed to be from Woodford county court records. ABSTRACT: George Brooke indentured Jeremiah Edrington to John Gudgel as a result of a court order (October 1805). George did this as a clerk fuction for the court. Penny (my wife) noticed that the indentured (Jeremiah) didn't mark or sign the indenture. " This indenture made the 8th day of April, 1806 between George Brooke clerk of the Woodford county court of the state of Kentucky of the one part and John Gudgel of the county and state aforesaid witness that agreable to an order of october court 1805 George Brooke for and in consideration of the stipulations and covenants hereafter mentioned to be performed as the part of the said John Gudgel hath ?bore? and by these presents doth bind Jeremiah Edrington to the said Gudgel and the said Brooke on his part covenants that these said ?ielding serve the said Gudgel from and after this date until he is one and twenty years of age as a good and faithful apprentice ought to do and the said Gudgel as his part covenants that he shall during the time terms aforesaid teach and instruct the said Jeremiah to the best of his ability and skill in the art and mystery of a tanner that he will treat him with humanity and furnish him with good and holesome food, lodging and apparel and at the expiration of his apprentiship that he will deliver him up this indenture give him a horse worth 50 dollars a saddle and bridal and a suit of clothes and that he will in due time send him to school until he learns reading, writing, and arithmetic as far as the rule of three. In witness whereof they have here unto set their hands and seals the day and date above mentioned. John Gudgel (seal) Geo: Brooke (seal) Woodford county April 1806 This writing was acknowledged by the partys thereto and is recorded in my office. Geo: Brooke C.C. " ********************************************************************* This was also given to me by Victor Shackleton and is a photocopy. On side of photocopy says Gudshal to Graham Woodford county, Kentucky Top of Document says "teste G. Brooke CC" " This indenture made this day and entered into between William Graham Gunsmith of Franklin county the one part and Andrew Gudgel Farmer and his son Abram both of Woodford county the other part witness, that said Graham Conicntibly(?) and firmly agreed with the said Andrew Gudgel and Abram his son (seventy years old 26 day of last January) to take his son the said Abram three years an apprentice to the blacksmith business. The said Graham his part is make use of his best endeavored understanding to instruct the said Abram and all his art or mistery in the said business he is to furnish him with good sufficient home clothing washing and lodging and to give him the said Abram at the end or during the term of said three years 42 1/2 dollars in cash or property that the said Abram may choose. For all which as above ritten the said Abram on his part is to make use of his best endeavors and understanding to learn and understand the said art or business he is to be attentive and industrious in said business he is to be obedient and carefull and to do the best he can for the good and benfit of his said teacher during the said three years and to adopt the whole of the said working days or time fully to his said master or teacher directions accept the half of each saturday he is to have to himself to make use of in any lawfull or lible compliment that he may think propper for his own benefit he the said Abram is not to make any marriage contract or any other bargain of considerable consiquence during the said time without the express liberty of his said instructor and his father Given under our hands and seals this 9th day of April 1803 William Graham (seal) Andrew Gudgel (seal) Woodford county to wit April 9th 1803 This indenture was this day before me in my office acknoweldged by the said William Graham and Andrew Gudgell to be there at and deed and duly admitted "... (b.g.) The notary does not finish in this copy. Notice the LL (Gudgell) that Brooke includes in the notary. The seal here is hard to read but may be "h.s." Here we have both spellings and I'm not sure where the Gudshal came from here. From: Bob Gudgel Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:15:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Correction Gudshal I DID make a typo on my last mailing. Instead of "Gudgshal" on the side of the document it should have been "Guddhal" I fixed it in the archive, though. Bob Gudgel From: Bob Gudgel Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:16:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: doggonit Correction to the Correction I did it again! It should have been "Gudshal" (THERE !) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:11:21 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: [Fwd: Going West after Rev War] I'm taking the liberty of posting this to the list as I presume you wanted it posted as at the end you offered to do something for anyone who wanted it. Dianne wrote: > > I am not convinced that Old Andrew went to Ky as a result of > harrassment due to his non-involvment in the Rev War. History > shows that MANY folks headed west or wherever after the war and > KY was one of the first places they went, among others. Of course there were many reasons people in those days moved. But we do know to escape persecution during this period was one of them. No one knows the reason Andrew went to Ky but in any case it had to be a major crisis that made him do it. Just as the reason my Parents and grandparents moved from Oklahoma to California in the early thirties. They didn't want to do it but were more or less forced to do it. Even so others did not go just as some Mennonites in Pa didn't go to Ky as Andrew did. But then why he went is not of any consequence at this late date. He went and we can do a little speculating now as to the reason. That is all it amounts to. A little fun. Why did Andrew go to Ky in it's early days. Somewhere I read he went with Boone when Boone took his second bunch of immigrants to Ky. This would be through the Cumberland Gap I don't know if it true but I read it somewhere. It has been about 10 years since I did much in Genealogy and that is when I read it. It was of interest because I knew a guy who was president of the Boone Family association at the time. He went to the same church I did. Doyal Andrew > sold his land in PA to other Mennonites (or Quakers) according to > the court records published throughout the last few years in the > SW Penn Genealogy Journal called "LaFayette." I suspect Andrew > may have traveled by boat down the Ohio as others did. Does > anyone know if the river route would be correct to land him where > he eventually settled in KY? Linda should know this best of all. > > Anyway, the records show that the folks that Old A sold his > land to, remained in PA so life couldn't have been so hard if > many elected to stay. > > I will copy the land sale record notes from the journal should > anyone want them. They aren't the full record, but they do tell > which book to find the record(s) in. > > Dianne Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:14:57 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Rev War & Andrew GUDGEL Dianne wrote: > > Yes, I think it would be nice to try and figure out why Andrew's > name is on that monument although I believe someone already said > that the DAR didn't do much research before they listed some > names, apparently. > This Gudgel was not the old Andrew. If it is the same one I have a picture of on the monument at the Church yard in Gibson County. I would have to look it up. > It would be wonderful to get that letter that Mr Pope makes > mention of by Hannah G. Musik. And it would be wonderful if Mr > Pope would get on line too. Any ideas about the whereabouts of > that letter? > > Anyone care to look further into the DAR files, perhaps in D.C.? > Dianne Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:46:50 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Cemetery, Orphan Brigade & stuff Diane: The GUDGEL Cemetery I spoke of in Anderson Co., KY is on private property on Rice Road. I hope to be able to go there again for a clean up day when weather permits. William and Elijah GUDGEL(L), brothers and also sons of Elijah and Lydia BELL GUDGEL)L), both served in the Orpahn Brigade. A couple of years ago there was a speaker at our local Hisorical Society about this unit. I really went out of curosity because I am not a Civil War buff but had heard of this Unit before. I was so surprised to find a display with a picture of William GUDGEL included in it. Seems this is an organization that is puting together any genealogical info. of every man who served in the Orphan Brigade. He did not have a picture of Elijah GUDGEL(L), Jr., however, I told him there was a confederate marker at the gravesite in the GUDGEL Cemetery in Anderson Co. I have a list of 37 units of this Brigade and I know they have a web page-don't have the URL at the moment. I found it by doing a net search. Might want to check it out. Linda Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:18:14 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Cemetery, Orphan Brigade & stuff There were a number of Kentucky Gudgels in Morgans Raiders. Several were killed or captured who were in it or other units. . Some later were in the escort unit that was with Jefferson Davis in his attempt to escape after the surrender of the south. I wrote up somthing years ago but would have to do some research to know exactly what I found out. lfinnell wrote: > > Diane: > > The GUDGEL Cemetery I spoke of in Anderson Co., KY is on private property on > Rice Road. I hope to be able to go there again for a clean up day when > weather permits. > > William and Elijah GUDGEL(L), brothers and also sons of Elijah and Lydia > BELL GUDGEL)L), both served in the Orpahn Brigade. A couple of years ago > there was a speaker at our local Hisorical Society about this unit. I really > went out of curosity because I am not a Civil War buff but had heard of this > Unit before. I was so surprised to find a display with a picture of William > GUDGEL included in it. Seems this is an organization > that is puting together any genealogical info. of every man who served in > the Orphan Brigade. He did not have a picture of Elijah GUDGEL(L), Jr., > however, I told him there was a confederate marker at the gravesite in the > GUDGEL Cemetery in Anderson Co. > > I have a list of 37 units of this Brigade and I know they have a web > page-don't have the URL at the moment. I found it by doing a net search. > Might want to check it out. > > Linda > > From: Terri Montigny Subject: I'm back Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:19:45 -0000 Hi Everyone, I have returned from the dead! Bob, this is great ! Where do you find the time - I'm spending hours just trying to get my email to work! Speaking of email - I have a new address: Tmontigny@msn.com . I printed all of the letters off so hopefully, I can add what I have. I have emails from all of you, I will get to them ASAP! Mom will be up in a couple weeks so she can help me sort through it all. T. Terri Montigny 6456 Havens Road Blacklick, OH 43004 Tmontigny@msn.com From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:01:21 EDT Subject: Gudgel Cemetery - Owensville, IN Finding the grave of Old Andrew was somewhat of a serendipitous experience for me many years ago. I was visiting Owensville on a short genealogical expedition and wanted to find any Gudgel's I could in the local cemeteries. My husband and I were surveying a rather large cemetery in Owensville proper when I spotted an elderly lady walking at a distance. She reminded me of my own grandmother who knew EVERYONE in the cemeteries of her home area so I asked her if she knew of any Gudgel graves. I told her I was particularly interested in locating the grave of Andrew Gudgel, said to have served in the Revolutionary War. It turned out she not only knew where the Gudgels were in that cemetery but that her deceased husband was a member of the veterans group that placed the flags on the graves of veterans every Veteran's day and SHE HAD THE MAPS AT HOME! We followed her home, found the location of Andrew's grave and she drove us out to the edge of the field where the old Gudgel Cemetery was located. We had no trouble following the fence row down to the cemetery. It certainly is a real thrill it is to stand in the very spot where ancestors long gone have lived, worked and died. Gudgel Cemetery is located 1 3/4 miles east of Owensville, IN on Highway 168 abt 600 feet north of where the road takes a sharp curve to the south. My husband and I found it by following a fence north from the curve to the second field. This is the final resting place of old Andrew Gudgel. When we visited the graveyard in the summer of 1974 it was unkempt and grown up in vines and poison ivy underneath heavy shade from the tall trees surrounding the small plot. Old Andrew’s grave was a large rectangular white slab of stone lying flat on the ground as were many of the stones, but was very legible. The Gudgel Folder at the Kentucky Historical Society in Frankfort, KY contains a listing of the gravesin this cemetery submitted and copied by Jane L. Stone, 921 Westview Ave, Nashville, Tenn 37205 in February 1972. The following markers are located in the graveyard according to her record. I found exactly the same number of stones as reported by Stone. I agree with her on all the dates except those which are follow by ( ). Andrew Gudgel died Aug. 16, 1815 aged 88 years Elizabeth, wife of A. Gudgel died Dec. 2, 1823 aged 60 years. William Gudgel born Feb. 11, 1801 died Jan. 22, 1877 Lucinda Gudgel, Dec. 12, 1806, May 9, 1887 William Teel born June 4, 1787 (or Jun.1) died June 12, 1832 Nancy Teel Dec. 2, 1797 died Oct. 6, 1878 Samuel L. Teel born Dec. 29, 1849 (or Dec.23) died Aug. 9, 1851 (or Aug.8) -difficult to read Oscar J, son of DL and LC Summers born Aug.11, 1855 died Sept 29, 1856 (aged 1 yr., 1 mo, 18 days (foot stone O.J.S.) plus several unmarked graves The following is an account of another Gudgel cousin’s visit to the cemetery on July 26, 1981: Visit to Owensville, Indiana by John G. and Ardath Potts: We visited Owensville, Indiana and found old Gudgel cemetery behind the home of Ruth Jeanette Gudgel, now married to Ray Denning. Ray was at home and showed us the cemetery which is grown up in weeds. We could only find the stone of William who died in 1877. Ruth has a brother, Robert, who lives nearby. She is a nurse. We discussed with Ray the fact that the cemetery is not kept up and the fact that old Andrew who died in 1815 was a Revolutionary War Veteran. Ray talked as though he might get the township to clean it out. It is legally their responsibility. We gave him out card and asked him to send a picture if he can ever get to the stone. Hope you have enjoyed!! Mia K. Adkins Fleegel Skaneateles, NY From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:09:20 EDT My line of descent from Old Andrew is through: John Gudgel b. 1776 & Jane Harbison b. abt 1782 Andrew Gudgel b. abt. 1809 & Betsy Shaner b. abt 1822 David Milton Gudgel b. 1855 & Nancy Ellen Smith b. 1862 Phoebe Ellen Gudgel b. 1880 & Orlie Burness Adkins b. 1877 Lawrence David Adkins b. 1903 & Gertrude Rachel Williams b.1904 Richard Wayne Adkins b.1927 & Gretta Lucille Shinn b.1930 Mia K. Adkins (ME) b.1952 & Carl William Fleegel III b.1951 Laurie Ann Fleegel b.1978 Kathryn K. Fleegel b.1979 John Russell Fleegel b.1984 John Gudgel and Jane Harbison were married in Woodford Co., KY and moved to Jefferson Co., IN where they lived until their deaths. Andrew Gudgel married Elizabeth Staples in Jefferson Co., IN in 1832 and moved to Hancock Co., IL where Elizabeth died in childbirth in 1849. Andrew married Betsy Shaner and was living in Adams Co., IL in January of 1853. The Gudgel family grew and lived near the Adams Co./ Pike Co., IL line. Here much of my line of the family lives today. Phoebe, Orlie, Lawrence, Gertrude, Richard Wayne, & Gretta grew up and lived most of their lives in and around Hull, Pike Co., IL. I was married at Akers Chapel on August 22, 1973 just south of the Adams Co./ Pike Co. line. The Akers Chapel Cemetery holds the graves of David & Nancy, Phoebe & Orlie. Phoebe's brother, Elmer has a great grandson named Andrew Gudgel - the name lives on! Mia K. Adkins Fleegel Skaneateles, NY From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:01:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Gudgel maps on web site I had posted 3 maps on the Gudgel web site with Locales Named Gudgel in Kentucky and Indianna and a "point of interest" called Gudgel ranch. Does anybody know anything about these places? I am "assuming" that the locales MAY BE the site of the cemeteries or something. Bob Gudgel From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) Well, I just read Mia's great info letter, and it looks like the Gudgel locale on my map in Indianna is East and North of the cemetery she mentioned. This ones off of highway 57 between Somerville and Oakland City. Bob From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:54:25 EDT Subject: Gudgel Family Histories Some time ago I visited a Stake Library of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints here in the Syracuse, NY area. I checked the index of family histories on microfilm in Salt Lake and found two on the GUDGEL family. They are: Gudgel, Boyd, 1912 - The Genealogy of Boyd Gudgel, Sr. son of John Harvey Gudgel and Martha Dunigan Gudgel. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah. 1987 - on 1 microfilm reel. Microfilm of typescript (photocopy) ( 6 leaves) at the Willard Librar. Evansville, IN. Brokofsky, Pearl (Pearl Yvonne Gudgel) 1926 - Gudgel History: back to Germany. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah. 1980 - on 1 micro reel - 35 mm.) Microfilm of typescript collection (43 leaves) donated by Jhammie Gudgel. Includes facsimiles, portraits, etc. Do any of you have a copy of either of these histories? Who are Pearl Yvonne Gudgel Brokofsky and Jhammie Gudgel? Are you willing to share? Also, I have a typed copy of a history of the Gudgel family written by Opal Gudgel for a Gudgel reunion in ChowChilla, CA about 20 years ago. I am willing to send a copy to those of you who don't already have it. Mia K. Adkins Fleegel Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:22:55 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Gibson Co., In Cem. & Gudgel map locations First off..it's great to see Mia here with us! WELCOME. For those who don't know Mia.....she has contributed to my reasearch several years ago and did an great job in researching. The mention of the GUDGEL Cemetery in Gibson Co., IN reminded me to relay this info. to anyone interested. I received pictures from Ernie Lasley in May, 1997 of the cemetery. Mr. Lasley is a noted historian in Gibson Co. and he was kind enough to take them after meeting with someone's mother (Terri Montigny or Daniela Moneta?) when she had been researching there. He took the pictures for her and later lost her address...another tribute to the success of the "net"!-we found out who the lady was for him! Anyway , I shared these pics with several of you and they can all vouch for my statement that it is in pretty bad shape. The stones are still in pretty good shape and legible, a few have toppled over but are intact, however, it appears when these pics were taken that someone had "bulldozed" the area of trees, brush and everything but the stones. Pretty barren looking. I contacted Mr. Lasley again after receiving the pics about getting someone to try and restore the cemetery and made the suggestion that maybe we could raise some donation money (from ancestors) to pay the cost. (I also sent him $$$ for the pics that he didn't ask for-but sure appreciated his time, etc.). He did contact me about talking to the Town Trustees who may want to do this....that's the last I heard from him. He hasn't answered my email or snail mail letters. Maybe he isn't well, I don't know. I do know at the time it was a law in Indiana that the cemeteries be maintained (maybe by local governments?), however, new legislation just recently has changed that and it seems that local authorities are not responsible for upkeep of cemeteries on private property. Read that on the "net" also. The pictures I have are excellent and every stone can be read. Amazing when you think how old they are. ************************************************************************ Bob, I have a map of the community of GUDGEL in Anderson Co., KY. A little bit of history for those not familiar....... >From "Our Heritage" column by Wyatt Shely (printed by the Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, KY), an article on GUDGEL: June 22, 1972: A small community about six miles west of Lawrenceburg was known as GUDGEL taking it's name from the influential family established there. Gudgel post-office, Edward GUDGEL first postmaster, continued from 1895-1907. ************************************************************************ From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:50:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Opal Gudgel's story Mia, I wonder if the Gudgel migration story that is on the Gudgel web page is the one you mentioned from about 20 years ago. Also, looks like we'll (or someone) have to take another trip to Salt Lake City. Linda, I bet the Gudgel community you mentioned is the one that shows up on the map. I will look. Bob From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:33:07 EDT Subject: Gudgel History by Opal Gudgel The Gudgel history I have was written by Opal Gudgel for a family reunion and is more of a history of the descendants of his branch of the family. It is NOT the story of the move west. I have an original typed copy that was in the hands of Merle Taft of Jefferson Co., IN. Bob, I'd be glad to send you a copy to see if it is anything you would like to post or archive. Anyway...My brother traveled to Jefferson Co., IN in the early 70's to see what he could find out about the Gudgel family around Madison. He entered a small grocery store (it's a very rural area) and asked the store clerk if they knew of any Gudgels. Of course his answer was "The one you should really talk to was Xie Dixon Hopkins, her mother was a Gudge,l and she has just died! Her friend Merle Taft is disposing of her belongings - talk to her" So my brother sought out Merle Taft. Xie was an only child with no children and had died at an advanced age so Merle was at a loss as to what to do with her old papers. She had just decided to burn most of them when my brother arrived on the scene. Giving the papers to a relative, however distant, was an alternative to burning them so she gave my brother the Opal Gudgel family history. In addition she gave my brother 34 letters written by Shelby Graylin Gudgel, Xie's grandfather and several original deeds to the Gudgel property in Jefferson Co. (You can access all of the letters through the Gudgel Homepage) WHAT A FIND!!! All of these things were saved from the flames to share with other Gudgel descendants!! Mia K. Adkins Fleegel Skaneateles, NY Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:18:48 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Indiana's Cemeteries >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:06:54 -0500 >From: Scott Satterthwaite >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Indiana's Cemeteries > >Dear Representative, > >My name is Scott Satterthwaite and I am writing to you on behalf of an >organization known as the "Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration >Project" or "INPCRP". This growing, volunteer group was founded in 1997 >as an effort to restore, preserve and protect Indiana's pioneer >cemeteries. > >Our primary goal has been to locate, restore, and preserve Indiana's >rapidly deteriorating, often forgotten pioneer cemeteries. However, >during that past several weeks, myself and other members of our group >have become increasingly aware of several issues that may place many >more cemeteries in jeopardy. The issues as we see them are as follows: > >1. During the final days of the 1997 legislative session, a bill was >passed which will have a profound negative impact on the continued >preservation of many of our cemeteries and serves to greatly hamper the >efforts of the INPCRP and other organizations interested in cemetery >preservation. This action repealed all 32 chapters of the Indiana >Cemeteries Act (IC23-14-1 through 32) and replaced them with 43 new >chapters (IC23-14-33 through 76). The most detrimental part of this >legislation is found in IC23-14-68, "Care of Cemeteries by Townships", >and IC23-14-74, "Cemetery Fences and Upkeep". The former, while similar >to its predecessor with the same title, now has a new paragraph >(23-14-68-1b) which serves to remove from the township trustees >responsibility for all cemeteries not located on township owned >property. The latter of the two chapters would proclaim to insure that >all cemeteries were properly maintained without regard to physical >location or ownership. However, the use of the phrase "public >cemeteries" has served to exclude many cemeteries. A cemetery on >private property that was once the burial grounds for a family group or >a long since disbanded church is obviously not a "public cemetery". > >We respectfully request to know the names of those persons who sponsored >the action as outlined above. > >2. I now call your attention to IC23-14-67, specifically section 2, >paragraph "a". > >re: "The board of commissioners of a county may appoint a county >cemetery commission consisting of five (5) residents of the county." > >This paragraph is plagued by unfortunate wording. The use of the word >"MAY" has left the creation of County Cemetery Commissions completely at >the discretion of the County Commissioners. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. >Very few of our 92 counties now have cemetery commissions in place >despite that fact that this particular chapter has been around for >several years. We submit that each and every one of our Indiana >counties MUST have a County Cemetery Commission. Per IC23-14, the only >way to ensure that all cemeteries within each county are properly >maintained and protected is through a County Cemetery Commission. We >therefore request that steps be taken to change the wording of >IC23-14-67-2a as follows: > >"The board of commissioners of a county shall appoint a county cemetery >commission consisting of five (5) residents of the county." > >It is important to note that the INPCRP is an Internet based >organization. Our members are in constant communication with one >another. This has enabled us to build a very efficient communications >network among the Historical, Genealogy, Preservation, and Cemetery >special interest groups. We have received praise from thousands of >individuals from within the borders of Indiana, and many more from >beyond. There are organizations being formed in other states based on >the concepts and goals of the INPCRP. We have also caught the >attention of local newspaper and television media. That is to say: We >are not an isolated, confined organization that will soon fade from >sight. We have established a presence and are going to make that >presence known. > >If you have access to a Web Browser, I invite you to examine the web >page which serves to represent our organization. It can be found at: >http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/inpcrp/ > > >Sincerely, >Scott J. Satterthwaite >State Coordinator, >Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Remember to give us your project updates at monthly Roll-Call! > > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:50:42 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL Reunion-Chowchilla, CA Can someone tell me when the next GUDGEL Reunion is in Chowchilla, CA? Any details available as to how long this Reunion has been held and who holds it, etc.? Might make a good vacation from KY! Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:17:39 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: GUDGEL Reunion-Chowchilla, CA Right now I cant think of who is in charge of it but you can call my Aunt Mary Schuh who lives in Chowchilla. Her phone number is 209 665 2336. they hold it every two years now since most of the old people who came from Oklahoma have died off. I don't know if they had one last year or not. They started this way back in the 50 or 60's. As high as 125 attended. This is called the Gudgel-Sevedge Reunion. My Grandmothers maiden name was Sevedge. Doyal Gudgel Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:51:18 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL-Genealogy Column-1972 The following article appeared in 1972 in a Genealogy column called Our Heritage, written by local historican, Wyatt Shely, and printed in the Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY newspaper-The Anderson News. *********************************************************************** GUDGEL Like most others, the spelling of this family name has undergone many changes. One Andrew GOTTSHALL. immigrant to Pennsylvania, was a son of Frederick and Mary GOTTSHALL, Germany. The GOTTSHALL's (GOTCHAL, GUDSHAL, GUDGELL, GUDGEL), were found early in Virginia, and in what is now Kentucky before the beginning of the nineteenth century. Jacob GUDGEL was on census of Franklin Co. 1801 and Andrew GUDSHAL in Montgomery in 1800. There was also an Andrew in Woodford in 1800. The family was well established in Woodford prior to 1820. Marriages in Woodford include: Andrew to Jane MITCHELL, 1792; Andrew to Betsy PAYNE, 1793; Jacob to Drusey DRISKELL, 1791; Hannah (daughter of Andrew) to Jesse MUSICK, 1801; Sally, (daughter of Andrew, Sr.) to Jacob STUCKER, 1791; Lydia to Henry STUCKER, 1796; John to Jean HARBISON, 1804; and many others of an early date. Some early Franklin Co. marriages were: Andrew to Elizabeth MOUNTJOY, 1817; Jacob to Elizabeth ARBUCKLE, 1813; and John to Cynthia Ann BROWN, 1818. These families lived in the part of Franklin which in 1827 became Anderson. Drucey GUDGELL was a very early member of the Salt River Church if which Rev. John Penny was pastor (1798-1835). The GUDGEL family was well represented here by 1830 with names of Andrew, Elijah, Jacob, Joel and John appearing on the census. In 1840 Andrew and Elijah are found, but Jacob, John and Joel do not appear. Joel GUDGEL married to Eleanor (daughter of Samuel BUTTS). By 1850 sons and daughters of the pioneers had married and settled here. Elijah, then 53, and his wife, Lydia, 51, owned considerable property. A son, William, 21, was a wagon-maker. Other children at home were Susan, 19; Jacob, 17; Lydia Ann, 16; Elijah, 14; Sarah Bell 10; and Aramenta. Amanda GUDGEL married Woodford CROSSFIELD, and many descendants now live in this community. Elijah GUDGEL witnessed the will of David GRIFFEY, 1847, and of Revolutionary soldier, George JORDAN in 1838. Elijah and Lydia were early members of the Lawrenceburg Baptist Church. Elijah at the time of his death around 1866 owned a 103 acre farm near Lawrenceburg on the Fox Creek Pike. Heirs were listed as Amanda CROSSFIELD, R.H. CROSSFIELD, Elizabeth BROWN, Aramenta and John BICKERS, William GUDGEL, Susan and Thomas BASS. Jake, not the son of Elijah, also lived a few miles west of town on the Fox Creek Road. His farms joined that of Elijah. Andrew GUDGEL was a member of our first grand jury and was one of the first constables of the town. One Thomas GUDGEL, Anderson Co., served in the Mexican War. Martin Van GUDGEL was a Lieutenant in Co. F, Kentucky Cavalry and was wounded in combat. He also served Anderson County as Sheriff, 1867. Elijah and William GUDGEL also fought in the Confederacy (Orphan Brigade) and returned without serious injury. A small community about 6 miles west of Lawrenceburg was known as GUDGEL taking it's name from the influential family established there, GUDGEL post-office, Edward GUDGEL, first post-master, continued from 1895-1907. J.W. GUDGEL was elected School Superintendent in 1892. Many GUDGEL marriages are recorded here, but none very early. Edward was married in 1846 to Mary DAVIS, Jacob in 1847 to Mary Ann GAINES, and Jacob M. to Frances GRIFFEY in 1857. Other Anderson County marriages before 1900 include: Allie to Clara HAWKINS, B.T. to Hattie BICKERS, Elijah E. to Mary WALKER, M.V. to Mrs. Mary ROACH, William to Elizabeth BLEDSOE. Lavinia to Edward STEELE, Lou to J.W. FIDLER, Maggie to Edward MARTIN, Maud to W.D. WILLIAMS, Sallie to Thomas COKE, Emma to Charles RINGO, Lydia Ann to Alexander HERNDON, and Mollie to Thompson THOMAS. There is a GUDGEL grveyard off the Rice Road on the farm now (1972) owned by Connie Carlton. Field stones mark some of the graves. Some stones are broken and perhaps others are covered over with the debris of a century. The stone for Lydia, wife of Elijah, bears the dates 1799-1861. Other stones bearing inscription are Frances M. 1835-1903; Jacob M. 1833-1896; James M. 1862- ; Jacob M. 1870-1873; Annie ; Lydia Ann, wife of A.C. HERNDON, 1831-1869. Norman GUDGEL, Alton, is the son of Samuel and Verna HUTCHISON GUDGEL, and grandson of Allie and Clara HAWKINS GUDGEL. Other GUDGEL descendants also live in this area. ************************************************************************ (Note from Linda): Norman GUDGEL was my father. Samuel and Verna HUTCHISON GUDGEL were my grandparents. Allie and Clara HAWKINS GUDGEL were my great grandparents. Jacob and Frances GRIFFEY GUDGELL were my g-g grandparents. Elijah and Lydoa BELL GUDGELL were my g-g-g grandparents. Jacob and DRUSEY DRISKELL GUDGELL were my g-g-g-g grandparents. Andrew GODSHALL, Sr. was my g-g-g-g-g grandfather. Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY lfinnell@lex.infi.net Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL & SALT RIVER PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH Just a little while ago I sent a genealogy column on the GUDGEL's with their ties to Anderson Co., KY and other nearby counties. Please note the mention of DRUCEY DRISKELL GUDGEL(L) being an early member of the Salt River Church of which Rev. John PENNEY was pastor from 1798-1835. I received a message yesterday from Mr. Forest Chilton of Louisville, KY that there is to be a meeting this week to try and begin the procedure of filinf an Incorporation for this church. One of the founders was the Rev. John PENNEY. Rev. PENNEY was an ancestor of THE J.C. PENNEY family. I understand that the family of the J.C. PENNEY Corp. is interested in helping with the restoration and efforts have begun to raise funds for this project. When this Corporation is completed this should allow for some much needed funding to restore this church which was establised in 1798. It is located in Anderson Co., KY near Salt River. My last two visits were about 2 years apart with the last trip about 1 year ago. At least 1/4 of the roof was gone and it is getting in really bad shape. I went in the churhc the last trip (being careful where I stepped!). Some of the actual pews are still there! There were two doors (one for men and one for women), and a old stove was still there as well as the remains of some old carpeting or floor covering of some sort. The windows were boarded up and the ceiling and walls are sifting down. I stood there thinking. "If this place could only talk." There is a cemetery on three sides of the church with many stones. I have a list of members of this church (and their slaves) when it was established and a another list of members of a later date. I see many names that are associated with the GUDGEL family as well as GUDGELL's. Just wanted to share this with you all. This is a beautiful old country church which holds so much history. It is a shame that it has been allowed to fall into such dissrepair. I contacted a friend with the KY Historical Society a few weeks ago to see about getting some funding to help on the restoration.. Come to find out it's not even on the Historical Register. Seems the paperwork was begun years ago but never completed. Now..that's something else to do for sure. Linda Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Frederick and deeds and Indiana Linda, great stuff! I hope something can be done about the Church and cemeteries. It would be neat if we could just go and clean it up. That's probably not enough though, huh? OK, now, hang on just a minute here. I have a paper here that is VERY old and very very hard to read (handwritten adn a copy) and it says on one side, "Deed to Anne Mary and Frederick Gudgell". Is this something that has already been chewed on? As far as I know, this and a lot of the stuff I got from Victor Shackleton, came from a couple of our cousins (below). I hope that someone from this group has, or will talk with them. Their names etc. are, Darrel and Mary Moberly 24 McBurney Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO. 80911 phone: 719-392-3637 Beula Smith 2300 Mesa Drive Olathe, CO. 81425 phone: 970-323-6596 I here that Darrel (especially) has done a lot of work. Also, have any of you seen the story about Andrew Sr., "Tartt's History of Gibson County" (Ind.) published in 1884? If not, I'll re-type what I have, here. It talks about his grist mill on silver creek and his land title and the Indians, etc. I hadn't heard "Tartt's" mentioned anywhere else is why I ask. Bob From: Terri Montigny Subject: Family History at LDS Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:29 -0000 Regarding Mia's questions: LDS "Gudgel History: Back to Germany Descendant of William Gudgel, youngest son of Andrew and Elizabeth Gudgel. Pearl Gudgel Brokofsky is part of this family. I also think this is part of Dave Gudgel's family?? I don't know if he is linked up with us or not. No information on Andrew's children except for 3rd wife. Most of the info is on recent generations. Boyd Gudgel is a descendent of Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Mountjoy. He lists this Andrew as being the oldest son of Andrew and Catherine Elizabeth Gudgel. (No sources listed) He does list who he thinks the children of Andrew Gudgel Sr. are, most co-insides with the information we have been bouncing around. (Again, no references) If anyone wants copies, let me know. Terri Montigny 6456 Havens Road Blacklick, OH 43004 Tmontigny@msn.com Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:41:46 -0800 From: "Kim Gudgel" Subject: E-MAIL HELLO, JUST A NOTE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ANOTHER OF US IS REPORTING IN. KIM PHELPS GUDGEL BORN 8/11/46 JACKSONVILLE FLA FATHER: EVERETT DALE GUDGEL, JR. BORN 8/2/17 CHICAGO ILL GRANDFATHER: EVERETT DALE GUDGEL, SR. E-MAIL gudgelkp @ MSN.com put me on your list, thanks. Kim Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:55:05 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: JACOB & MARGARET STEWART GUDGEL- LINN CO., KS Hi folks. My contribution today will be a family group sheet for the family of Jacob GUDGEL and Margaret STEWART of Linn Co., KS. It will also follow with an obituary of Margaret STEWART GUDGEL. Jacob believed to be the son of John GUDGEL and Jean /Jane HARBISON. Jacob GUDGEL-b. 1818 (where?)- d. Jan. 10, 1873 Linn Co., KS. Buried Trading Post Cem., Barnard, Linn Co., KS . Married: Sept. 30, 1840 Jefferson Co., IN to: Margaret STEWART-b. Nov. 27, 1819 Jefferson Co., IN-d. Feb. 7, 1913 LaCygne, Linn Co., KS. Buried Trading Post Cem., Barnard , Linn Co., KS. Children: Joseph GUDGEL- b. 1841 Jefferson Co. IN. In 1913 was residing in Pittsburg (PA or KS?). William D. GUDGEL-b. 1844/45 Jefferson Co., IN-d. 1877. Marr. Mary STORM Nov. 14, 1870 Linn Co., KS. Missouri Catherine GUDGEL-b. Dec. 1, 1848 Jefferson Co., IN-d. Jan. 19, 1940. Buried Oaklawn Cem., Linn Co., KS. Married Ben MITZEL. David S. GUDGEL-b. 1851-d. 1874. No other data. Mary E. GUDGEL-b. July 22, 18(53?) Jefferson Co., IN-d. Feb. 24, 1926 . Buried Oaklawn Cem., Linn Co., KS. Marr. George HALMOND. Melissa GUDGEL-b. 1857 IN. No other data. Richard W. GUDGEL-b. 1858/59 IL-d. Jan. 9, 1873. No other data. John GUDGEL-b. 1863 IL. No other data. ************************************************************************ Obituary of Margaret STEWART GUDGEL as printed in the LaCygne Weekly, Linn Co., KS, February 14, 1913. A WONDERFUL LIFE ENDED Margaret STEWART was born in Jefferson Co., IN, Nov. 27, 1819 and died in LaCygne, Kansas Feb. 7, 1913. On Sept. 30, 1840 she was married to Jacob GUDGEL. To this union 8 children were born, 5 boys and 3 girls, 5 of whom survive her. She moved to Kansas with her husband in 1866. At the age of 14 she united with the Methodist Espiscopal church and lived a consistant Christian life for 80 years. Mother GUDGEL was a widow for 40 years, her husband having died in 1873. When we think over this remarkable life we can but marvel at the wonderful changes she has seen take place. She has seen her church grow from a mere handful of members into a connexlon of millions. She has seen colleges and universities spring up all over this western country. She was two years of age when the Great Commonwealth of Missouri was admitted to the Union. She was the mother of a family when the State of Kansas was a territory. Kansas City was a village when she was a grown woman. She has seen civilization change from the crude to the conveniences of today. When she was a young lady they did not even possess the common match nor oil lamp, neither did she know until maturity the conveniences of the cook stove and the modern inventions were not even thought of. She was a mother and furnished sons to fight for the Union during the War of the Rebellion. During all of the troublous times she has kept the faith. She was a woman grown when the false prophesies of the Millerites predicted the end of the world. She saw that bauble rise and burst and during all the frenzied fanatical time she did not wander off after strange doctrines nor heed the teachings of false teachers. She could say with the Apostle Paul, "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course. I have kept the Faith." Funeral services were held at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Mary HALMOND, with whom she made her home, at 10:00 a.m. Saturday conducted by Rev. J.R. Hoopingarner, pastor of the M.E. Church. The remains were taken to Trading Post where they were tenderly laid to rest in the cemetery at that place. The relatives who attended the funeral were Joe GUDGEL of Pittsburg, W.A. JOHNSON of Ft. Scott, and Mrs. C.W. ROSS and son of Kansas City. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CARD OF THANKS We wish to thank our many friends and neighbors for their kindness and sympathy during the death of our beloved mother; also for the beautiful floral offerings. Mrs. Mary HALMOND Mrs. W.A. JOHNSON Mrs. Ben MITZEL Mr. Joe GUDGEL ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Questions: Why was dau., Missouri Catherine MITZEL, not at the funeral? Funeral was attended by W.A. JOHNSON of Ft. Scott....which daughter married W.A. JOHNSON? I have lots of information on other GUDGEL lines in Missouri and Kansas and have had a hard time trying to connect them all. I think I will concentrate on this area for a while so if you have comments or info., please send it to the list so that we can all enjoy. Thanks, Linda Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: OLD HANDWRITING >Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 07:30:43 >To: gudgel-L@eskimo.com >From: lfinnell >Subject: OLD HANDWRITING > >>Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 07:28:49 >>To: KYWOODFO-L@rootsweb.com >>From: lfinnell >>Subject: OLD HANDWRITING >>Cc: GUDGEL-L@eskimo.com, grise@lex.infi.net >> >>I have found a very helpful URL for old handwriting and wanted to share it with you. It won't take long and is well worth the visit. I think at some point we have all stumbled across abbreviations or letters that we didn't understand. Check it out at: >> >> http://www.firstct.com/oldhand.html >> >>Linda GUDGEL FINNELL >> >>from deep snowy Woodford Co., KY! >> > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:05:08 -0500 (EST) To: KYWOODFOL@rootsweb.com From: lfinnell Subject: OLD HANDWRITING Cc: GUDGEL-List@eskimo.com, grise@lex.infi.net Oops! Sorry, I got the URL wrong. The correct URL is: http://www.firstct.com/fv/oldhand.hmtl Linda> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 07:28:49 >To: KYWOODFO-L@rootsweb.com >From: lfinnell >Subject: OLD HANDWRITING >Cc: GUDGEL-L@eskimo.com, grise@lex.infi.net > >I have found a very helpful URL for old handwriting and wanted to share it with you. It won't take long and is well worth the visit. I think at some point we have all stumbled across abbreviations or letters that we didn't understand. Check it out at: > > http://www.firstct.com/oldhand.html > >Linda GUDGEL FINNELL > >from deep snowy Woodford Co., KY! > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:14:39 -0800 (PST) From: Grise To: lfinnell CC: KYWOODFOL@rootsweb.com, GUDGEL-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: OLD HANDWRITING lfinnell wrote: > > Oops! Sorry, I got the URL wrong. The correct URL is: > > http://www.firstct.com/fv/oldhand.hmtl > > Linda> > > Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 07:28:49 > >To: KYWOODFO-L@rootsweb.com > >From: lfinnell > >Subject: OLD HANDWRITING > >Cc: GUDGEL-L@eskimo.com, grise@lex.infi.net > > > >I have found a very helpful URL for old handwriting and wanted to share it > with you. It won't take long and is well worth the visit. I think at some > point we have all stumbled across abbreviations or letters that we didn't > understand. Check it out at: > > > > http://www.firstct.com/oldhand.html > > > >Linda GUDGEL FINNELL > > > >from deep snowy Woodford Co., KY! > > > > Linda, Neither of the old handwriting links work for me -- maybe its this crazy computer. I'm tired of being snowbound -- we're out of everything, and can't get up our little street to go to the grocery. David hitched a ride this morning to work by waiting at Harrodsburg Rd. for his co-worker. I've done all my laundry, ironing, mending, and all the bathrooms are sparkling -- enough of all this domesticity-- I'd rather be at work! The girls are starting to snarl at each other over T.V., this house is getting smaller and smaller! Lisa From: CAY10@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:16:14 EST Subject: GUDGEL Hi Gudgels First I want to thank you for all the work you have done in putitng together the Gudgel homepage. I wish all the surnames I'm researching had such a support group. Following is the information I have gathered on the John S. Gudgel family of Richland County, Illinois. Marlene Harrolle CAY10@aol.com JOHN S. GUDGEL 1846-1913 John was born May 1846 in Jefferson County, Indiana the son of Abraham Gudgel and Anne Elizabeth Burch. Abraham and Elizabeth moved their family to Illinois. (they appear in the US census for Richland Co., IL in 1860, 1870, and 1880). The 1860 census shows the family as Abraham Gudgel 46, Elizabeth 40, Sarah 19, Hester, 17, John 14, William 11, James 8, Mary 6, and Martha 2. On December 29, 1863 at the age of 17, John joined for service and enrolled for a term of three years at Camp Butler, Illinois by Lt. Col. Ohr. He was mustered into service by Lt. Hubbs at Camp Butler on January 14, 1864- 61st Infantry, Co. K. He mustered out of service on September 8, 1865 in Lawrence County, Illinois. The Illinois Civil War Service report described John as 5'5" with light brown hair, blue eyes and a fair complexion. He was a single farmer at the time of his enlistment. John married Malinda Harrolle on February 25, 1868 in Richland County, Illinois. They were married by John S. Gondz, Justice of the Peace. Malinda Harrolle was born January 30, 1850 in Richland County, Illinois the third daughter of Peter R. Harrold/Harrolle and Mariah Riblet. Peter was a descendant of the Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania Harrolds, The surname Harrolle first appears 1845 and is the spelling descendants of Peter use today. John and Malinda had seven children and lived in Richland County, Illinois. One child died in infancy. Know children are: Ira Abraham Gudgel b January 1869 m. Ella E. b. April 1875. Ira died July 25, 1926, in Lawrence Co., Petty Twp., IL and is buried in Amity Cemetery, Richland Co., IL with Ella who died in 1962. Edna Gudgel b. September 18, 1893 Allie May Gudgel b. June 1896- d. 1904 and is buried in Amity Cemetery John Gudgel b. December 1898 Rosella E. Gudgel b 1875 m. Moses Stivers a farmer. They lived in Urbana, Champaign Co., IL for a while and later returned to Richland Co.. Rosella d. November 17, 1918 and is buried in Haven Hills Cemetery,Richland Co., IL with Moses who died February 6, 1935. Lillie A. Gudgel b. abt. 1877- married 1. ?? Terhune and 2. James Dishong on October 9,1912 in Richland Co., IL. Bert A. Gudgel was born in 1878 and m. Mary E. Pritchard April 8, 1903 in Richland Co., IL. Bert died in 1945 and is buried in Haven Hills Cemetery, Richland Co., IL Three children are known: Theodore b 1904 Victor R. b.1906 Herman b. 1909 Laura B. Gudgel b. October 14, 1881 Earl A. Gudgel b. December 24, 1887 m. Iva Whitmer September 18, 1910, Richland Co., IL. Earl died June 18, 1954 and is buried in Haven Hills Cemetery, Richland Co., IL.. Malinda died August 10, 1908 and is buried in Haven Hills Cemetery, Richland County, Illinois. John remarried Elizabeth Tennyson Goss, a widow on August 17, 1909. They were divorced in April of 1912. John died the following year on October 5, 1913. He is buried in Olney City Cemetery, Richland County, Illinois. Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:23:01 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: OBITUARY-MISSOURI CATHARINE GUDGEL MITZEL-1940 My contribution for today is an obituary of Missouri Catharine GUDGEL MITZEL, dau. of Jacob GUDGEL and Margaret STEWART. This obit was published January 26, 1940 in the LaCygne Journal, Linn Co., Kansas: (sent to me by a descendant, Marietta J. PATTERSON) END OF A LONG LIFE The death of Mrs. Missouri Mitzel Friday morning, January 19 takes another of the few remaining pioneer women of Linn County. Coming here with her parents from Illinois in 1866, 74 years of her life had been spent here. She was a young girl of 17 when her parents, Mr. and Mrs. GUDGEL, migrated to Kansas from their home in Pike Co., Illinois, having previously lived in Jefferson Co., Indiana. When the GUDGEL's settled on a claim in Linn County, Brooklin at that time promised to be the leading town, and county seat of this county. This is where the GUDGEL's took their land, along with a number of other families coming from Illinois and Indiana about the same time. The trip was made by wagon train. requiring three weeks for the journey. A year after coming to Kansas, Missouri GUDGEL was married to Ben MITZEL, who lived on a neighboring farm, and who, though a young lad at the time of the Civil War, had served as a wagon driver for the government between Fort Scott and Fort Smith in Arkansas, carrying army supplies. Mr. and Mrs. Ben MITZEL lived on a farm in the Brooklyn community until their three daughters were grown and married, when they bought a home in the north part of La Cygne and engaged in light farming. Later they bought the home on Walnut Street where Mr. MITZEL spent the remaining years of his life, and where the end came to Mrs. MITZEL eleven years later. Mrs. MITZEL was active and in good health for one of her advanced age. Afflicted with her failing sight, which some fifteen years ago had caused for a time almost total blindness, she was hindered from getting about as much as she would have liked, but she walked with a spry, active step, and enjoyed going among her friends. She enjoyed especially the meetings of her bible class and attended all that she could, the last one a Christmas party, an annual event at the home of Mrs. Emma BLOUNT. She celebrated her 91st birthday December 1 and received much pleasure in calls and messages from her friends. The fall, soon after, in her home, which resulted in a broken hip, was the direct cause of her death four weeks later. She was cheerful and apparently free from pain throughout the long days and nights that she must lie in one position, and looked forward to a time when she would be up and around again. Her strength gradually failed and the end of a long and active life came Friday, January 19. A brief funeral service was held Sunday afternoon at the Christian church, conducted by the Rev. Virgil Sigler, and burial was in Oak Lawn Cemetery beside her husband. The following sketch of hr life was read at the funeral service: Missouri Catharine GUDGEL was born December 1, 1848 in Jefferson Co., Indiana. In 1866 she moved with her parents to Linn County, Kansas. January 5, 1867 she was untied in marriage to Ben MITZEL, who preceded her in death on December 23, 1928. Three daughters came to their home-Clara, now Mrs. CARROLL of San Francisco, Calif.; Effie, now Mrs. J.D. PATTERSON of Copeland, Kansas; and Lora, now Mrs. H.D. CALLISON, with whom she has lived since her husband's death. Throughout her entire life she maintained a great interest in friends and was a great reader, keeping current and national events clearly in her mind to the last week of her life. Becoming a Christian many years ago, she worked earnestly to further the cause of Christ, ever faithful, and willing to give. Besides the daughters she leaves a grandson, Edgar CALLISON, of Laramie, Wyoming, a granddaughter, Mrs. C.D. VAWTER of La Cygne, a grandson, Frank PATTERSON of Copeland, and a granddaughter, Mrs. Zelma BENTON of San Francisco; also four great grandchildren of whom she was very proud. The closing chapter of her life of 91 years one month and 18 days came with the dawning of January 19. In the early morning hour the spirit drifted away, leaving the bodily form sweetly sleeping. Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 08:47:58 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: [Fwd: LW Gudgel ltr 1893] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------281E3FFB74525B8DCA2DB1CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also meant for this to go to everyone. And I think I have figured out what was meant by the "oldest instrument" in the Gudgel family referred to here. Because both parties were lawyers, it probably was the first law suit that Old Andrew was involved with in KY. Dianne --------------281E3FFB74525B8DCA2DB1CC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:55:24 -0900 From: Dianne To: lfinnell Subject: Re:LW Gudgel ltr 1893 In response to Linda's (or Terri's?) request for data on LW Gudgel, esq letters (from Gibson Co, Ind) to and from Reuben G. of Owingsville, Ky in 1893: I have found one letter so far and will try to find the others. Does anyone know what the "oldest written instrument" is that L.W. G refers to in the following? June 3rd, 1893 (from) L.W. Gudgel, Attorney at Law, Princeton, Gibson Co (Indiana) to Reuben Gudgel, Esq, Owingsville, Ky My dear sir: I am not only interested but delighted, on receiving your long letter and the Owingsville News-Outlook. You have furnished me more meat at the Gudgel family table, at one meal, than I have been able to collect for some years before. I am delighted to get the facts, that run back so far in our family history. I herewith send you for inspection a bit of the oldest written instrument we have in this branch of the family. I received this in 1885 from my Grand Mother Lucy Gudgel, after the death of Grand Father William Gudgel. I found it in an old walnut box, size 8 x 12 in. and 7 in height which box my Grand Mother told me, was brought to this country by the Great Grand Father Andrew Gudgel, from Germany. You will please return same. I will be grateful to you if you will send me other Newspaper items on this subject. Many thanks. At any time I will gladly answer any questions about the family I can.Write again, yours, L.W. Gudgel --------------281E3FFB74525B8DCA2DB1CC-- Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:16:55 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: Re:Missouri G's In response to Linda Finnell's request for information on Gudgel's in MO. I finally re-found a few notes that I had hoped to send earlier with the rest of the material. Maybe some of you can add to this or get additional information from the references listed: >From the Missouri Pioneer Journals (MP) come the following data: MP v.XII, 1971, p. 102: Corp Spence H Gudgel of Capt Joe Edsall's Co F 11th Reg Cav. Mo. Vols. Enrolled Mar 27, 1863. Discharged July 27, 1865 at New Orleans, LA. Born Livingstone Co, MO. Age (in 1865?) 26 yrs. Ht: 5'10", dark complextion, dark eyes and hair. Farmer. 1st Sgt Rbt E. Gudgell of Capt.. John A Warrington's Co I, 11th Reg MO Cal Reg. Enrolled June 14, 1863, discharged July 27, 1865 at New Orleans, LA. Born Ray Co, MO, age (in 1865?) 25 yrs. Ht: 5' 10", dark complextion, dark eyes and hair. Farmer. MP v. XXVII, 1975, p. 78: R. (Robert?) E. Gudgell, Mooreville Post Office in Livingstone Co, MO. Farmer. Born Ray Co, MO. Came to Livingstone in 1842 (from Patrons of the Atlas of 1876 [of Livingston CO?]). MP v. XI, 1971 p. 59: from Patrons of the Atlas of 1876 of Harrison Co, MO: J. Gutshall, Daviess Co Post Office. Farmer. Born Harrison Co, Ohio. Came to Harrison Co, 1860. (this might not be a Gudgel and the information seems to be confusing. Perhaps it was not transcribed correctly). MP v. VIII, 1970, p. 42: John T. Gudgel was a witness to Henry Lile, Sr's will dated May 15, 1849 in Ray Co, MO. (will book 1821-52). p. 51: Jacob Gudgel Sec (?) to will of Thomas Sherwood, dated June 28, 1836 Ray Co., MO Marr Records: Ray Co., MO: Louisa Gudgell & Henry W. Peck Jan. 6, 1840 (p.26) Mary Gudgell & Wm Love July 28, 1840 Marr. Records: Livingston Co, MO Vol #1: p. 5 Narsissa Gudgel & Bryan Robinson April 14, 1842 Vol. 2: p. 3 Ed Gugdgel's house was the scene of a wedding between Bowen and Lowry in 1864. p. 27 Julian Gudgel & Franky Jennings May 7, 1872 p. 5 Mildred Gudgel & Thomas Jennings Oct 15, 1864 p. 7 Mildred Gudgel & James J. Lawson Aug 31, 1865 US Census Records for Missouri: Livingston CO (need to check Ray Co): 1830 no Gudgel's 1840 Jon Gudgell at Crooked River Town (he age 40-50, wife age 30-40, one son 15-20, 4 sons under 10, 2 girls under 10. 1850 John T? or L? Gudgel, 34 yrs born KY, (no wife), children: Rbt E (13), Spence (12), Laura (10), Millard D (8), Emma F (5), Julien M (4). (kids all born MO) 1850 (near John T/L G lived): Edwin Gudgel (30), wife Ann (28), John H/W (3), Rbt W (1); in household: Lucy J Davis (21). Kids all born KY. 1850 John Gudgel (55), Cynthia A (43), John (17), Franklin (15), Lemora (13), Richard (7), Lova (5), Bruce (4), Kids all born KY except youngest three. Mary A Crassman (24) of KY also lived in household. No Gudgels were listed on the slave schedule in 1850 in MO (or perhaps only in Livingston Co, need to recheck). 1950 Buchanan Co, MO: Geo Gudgel, age 26 (born MO) lived with D.J. Heaton family as a farmer 1860 Livingston Co, MO: three Gudgel families lived close together headed by John (26 of KY), Edward (34? of KY) with wife Amy, and John (44 of KY). Neither John had a wife listed and the latter had kids: Rbt, Spence, Mildred, Emma, Julia. In Slave schedule for Livingston Co, there is listed a John Gudgel and it must be the elder of the John's. He had 2 slaves. 1870 Livingston Co, MO Gudgell, Edward (50) wife Amy (48) kids Martin (17), Susan (12), Edward (8), Eliz (6). Kids born MO, parents in KY. Lived near Farmersville. Rbt Gudgel (32), wife Attilla (25), Emma (5), John M (3) all members born MO. Lived Bluff City. 1870 Livingston Co, MO Blacks or Mulattos listed: Rachel Gudgel (62 born Virginia; B? Gudgel (female 22) lived with Allen family as domestic sevant. Henry Gudgell (40 of KY), wife Cloy (43 of NC), with 9 children all born MO aged 20-4. 1870 Green CO, Springfield, MO: Thomas Gudgel (21 of Ind), wife Sarah (Jones) (18 of Ind) and children--Wm (3 of Ill), Thomas (1 of MO). On same property lived Wiley Jones (56 of Tn) who was Sarah's father. With Wiley was his wife Letha (37 of Ill) and 5 younger children all born MO. This Thomas Gudgel is descended from Wm Gudgel, last child of Old Andrew. The child Thomas listed here has to be Thomas Wiley Gudgel who married Emma Sarah Sevedge. Dianne G-H Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:19:43 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: ANDREW GUDGEL DOCUMENT- 1788 The following document copy was sent to me by Jim Pope, of St. Louis, MO some time ago. It isn't a good copy but I will try and transcribe it as best I can. ************************************************************************ Commonwealth of Pennsyvania, ff WHEREAS by virtue and in Purf_____ an Order on Application No. _______ entered the fourteenth Day of ______, 1769 by Andrew GUDGEL there hath been furveyed a certain tract of land containging Three hundred & seventeen acres and ___________ ________ of said tract f_______ __ S_________ on Monongahela River, Luzerne Twp. the county of Fayette. / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / and the said Andrew GUDGEL hath paid the Purchase Money at the Rate of Five Pounds Sterling, per Hunderd Acres, with the Interest thereon due, agreeable to an Act of Affembly, paffed the ninth Day of April, 1781, entitled, "An Act for Eftablifhing a Land-Office," &c.. and a Supplement thereto, paffed the twenty-fifth of June, then next following. THESE are heretofore to authorife and require you to accept the faid Survey into your Office, and to make Return thereof into the Office of the Secretary of the Land-Office, in Order for Confirmation, by Patent to the faid Andrew GUDGEL. IN WITNESS whreof, the Honorable (Peter?) (MUHLENBURG?), Esquire, Prefident of the Supreme Executive Council, hath hereunto fet his Hand and caused the (leffer?) Seal of the said Commonwealth to be affixed the ninth Day of June in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty-eight. John KUFKENS, Efq. Surveyor Genreal ************************************************************************ Notes: At the end of the first paragraph where it states "the County of Fayette"...it appears they have crossed out Westmoreland Co. and entered Fayette Co. We might want to check into Westmoreland Co. research. Also in the first paragraph I can't read the application No. but I do have a plat of the property from the Horn's Atlas and the application number there for his 317 acres looks like: No. 189 3452. This is also hand written and the best I can tell that's what the Application No. looks like. Okay all you GUDGEL researchers....is everyone hibernating? With 18 inches of snow in KY last week, I think we were for sure :) Let's hear from you guys! Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:27:50 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: DANIEL GUDGEL DOCUMENTATION Hi to all! Question #1: Wondering if any of you "listers" have any documentation that Daniel GUDGEL was in fact the son of Andrew GUDGEL? Maybe you have something that I don't . Question #2: How about we all get down to business on the early days of Andrew and Frederick GODSHELL/GOTTSCHALL(K)/GUDGEL(L) in the area of Bucks Co., PA. This seems to be hanging us all up but maybe some of you have information or documents that some of have yet to find. Let's hear from you. From, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL in Kentucky- the Thoroughbred capital of the world! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:06:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Frederick documents Well, I would strongly suggest that someone close to Parks County PA go to the building with the deeds, and look up "book 9" page 213 under deeds and see if they can get a better copy of, (or transcribe right there), the "Anne Mary and Frederick Gudgell" deed. Maybe there is something there. I can't read this copy hardly at all. Bob Gudgel Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:09:46 -0600 From: sharpsr@essex1.com (Ronald Sharp) Subject: My Line My line starts with Andrew & Catherine? to Jesse Musick and Hannah Gudgel(l) to John Musick and Mary Johnson to John Thomas Musick and Ann Owen Wren to Everett E. Musick and Rosetta Grace Denning to George Malen Petro and Grace Everetta Musick to Roy Henry Sharp and Rosetta Grace Petro to myself. Have some documentation until I get to John Musick and older. Be happy to share information on any of the other names I have. Have enjoyed this list so far and maybe I can contribute more later. Ronald B. Sharp Patsy Jean Sharp 22565 Star Road Tampico, Illinois 61283 Phone: 815-438-2085 From: DSChesser@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:04:45 EST Subject: The Cutshall Family of Greene County, TN Hello Gudgel Family: I just wanted to introduce our Cutshall family here in Upper East Tennessee. As you can see, the spelling variation here in East Tennessee began as Godshall and was changed to Cutshall and Cutshaw. The Cutshall family of Greene County, TN; and Madison County, NC are all descendants of Frederick Cutshall (b. c1763 PA, d. 1830, Greene County,TN). Frederick came to Greene County, TN, from Pennsylvania about 1795, with his wife Catherine Cleasly whom he married in Swedes' Church, Philadelphia, PA, on 10-15-1786. They came to Tennessee with their children: John, Christopher, Elizabeth, Christenah, and Margaret. My descendant is Christopher Cutshall (1800-1875). About 1796, Frederick Cutshall was a First Elder at Solomon Lutheran Church in Greene County, Tennessee. Would enjoy hearing from anyone who might have any information about our Frederick Godshall and his wife Catherine Cleasly. I am enjoying the Gudgel Mailing List very much. Keep up the good work. Diana Chesser 331 Rockhouse Rd. Johnson City, TN 37601 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:06:57 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Cutshall etc. Cybercousins, I wouldn't doubt that our name could have turned into "Cutshall" or "Cutshaw" somewhere along the way, but I have never heard them before. Diana, I'm wondering where this info is from. Also, hadn't heard of the name "Catherine Cleasly" along with Frederick Godshall b.1763. Very interesting. Also, Gudgel type activity in TN is rare as far as I know. And Linda, your kindofa gudgel name change hound... whaddya think? Bob Gudgel Seattle >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:04:45 EST >From: DSChesser@aol.com <<<>>> >The Cutshall family of Greene County, TN; and Madison County, NC are all >descendants of Frederick Cutshall (b. c1763 PA, d. 1830, Greene >County,TN). >Would enjoy hearing from anyone who might have any information about our >Frederick Godshall and his wife Catherine Cleasly. >Diana Chesser Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:53:51 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL vs. CUTSHALL/CUTSHAW Hi guys! Diane Chesser and I have corresponded before and it's good to see you aboard. Welcome to Ronald Sharp too...it's good to have your information (I'll check that line a bit later when I have more time). I believe somewhere down the lines the name CUTSHAWW/CUTSHALL is a good possiblity of being a variation of our GUDGEL surname. I have seen this name before and suppose that's how Diane Chesser and I got together. You mention GUDGEL's in Tennessee....well until recently I had never found them there but I received an email in June, '97 from Ann KELLY as follows: "John M. POSEY, who d. in 1888 was from Henderson Co., KY. His newspaper obit. states that "John POSEY, formerlly of Henderson, KY is lying gravely ill at his home in west Nashville (TN)." I beleive my POSEY's came from Posey Co., IN to Henderson, KY , to Clarksville, TN, to Nashville, TN. Mattie GUDGEL is buried in Mt. Olivet cemetery in Nashville, TN with John W. POSEY, his wife , Samantha (of Clarksville), Mollie KINNEY, who owned the gravelots, Sadie MYERS, and her husband, Carl MYERS. It has always been my understanding that the three ladies who are buried there are John W. POSEY's sisters." I think I was surfing around in Posey Co., IN Gen Web when I found this Ann Kelley because it was a neighboring county of Henderson Co., KY and I have GUDGEL lines in Henderson. Any of these names sound familiar to anyone? Another question: Anybody recognize this Bible record found in the LDS Family History Library? THOMAS CRAWFORD BIBLE, prepared by Christine MOON CRAWFORD HYDE, Chillicothe, MO: BIBLE RECORD (1856-1975) for Alva Curtis CRAWFORD (b. 1856 Petersburg, IL, d. 1921) who marr. Elta Valitta BARROWS. Includes the names of BUSBY, PAYNE, LONG, CRAWFORD and GUDGELL. Note: BUSBY's were marr. to GUDGELL's in Bath Co., KY...and the name PAYNE caught my eye because Andrew's third wife was a PAYNE (not her maiden name). Might just be coincidence. I think also that Petersburg, IL is Menard Co. Names from the records...lots of CRAWFORD's and BUSBY's....and also Death: Malinda PAYNE 18 March 1907 Ann M. GUDGELL 24 Feb. 1905 If anyone would like I can enter the records in it's entirety. This could be a link to the Missouri GUDGEL's that have been so elusive. Thought I might mention I found reference of an Edward GUDGEL in MO who was identified as mulatto. I have a file on African-American GUDGEL's and know that at one time some of our families were slave holders. Does anyone know of any African-American GUDGEL's? My brother met a fellow in the service named GUDGEL that was African-American. More later...think I'm rambling. Need to get some sleep. Niters all!! Linda Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 06:31:49 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: SHARE MEMORIES OF YOUR OLDEST GUDGEL ANCESTOR Good morning! I had a thought this morning while I was getting ready for work..... I wondered if other GUDGEL's felt as I did while growing up that there were few GUDGEL's in this world. We were the only GUDGEL family in Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY and I knew of no others...only distant cousins, etc. or those who went by allied family surnames. Let's hear from you guys about this. Also wondered if we have any subscribers on the list who are from out West or who attend the GUDGEL Reunion in Chowchilla, CA held every other year. Are there other Reunions held anywhere? I have looked several times at the picture of the family reunion group in CA that Bob has put on the GUDGEL Home Page....just looking for similiarities of appearance I guess. I myself am blonde (with a few gray one's :), blue eyes, fair skin, and am 5 foot tall. Let's hear from others. We might be surprised! Linda from Kentucky-Thoroughbred capital of the world. Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:27:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gudgels out west, etc. >From: lfinnell > We were the only GUDGEL family in Lawrenceburg, >Anderson Co., KY and I knew of no others... Linda, I thought that WE were the only ones around... >Also wondered if we have any subscribers on the list who are from out >West or who attend the GUDGEL Reunion in Chowchilla, CA held every other >year. >that Bob has put on the GUDGEL Home Page....just looking for >similiarities of appearance The older lady close to the right in that picture was my Aunt Ethel. I remember (barely) as a kid that she had a pump organ in her house. She just died recently and was in her late nineties. There is another reunion coming up in June in Portland Oregon and is for the Moberley-Gudgels that came from Andrew's GRANDson Andrew, Francis Marion Gudgel (one of the guys in the civil war uniforms picture), Lucina (his daughter I think) so forth. I will hopefully be going to that reunion too. This summer I think will be another Chowchilla Gudgel picnic and reunion. As far as my Gudgel inherited traits, on thing that is mentionable is that I (and my dad, Doyal), have "Lypoma's", which are like little fatty tumors (benign) that I believe my Grandpa Floyd Gudgel (son of Thomas Wiley Gudgel) had also. I wonder how far back that might go. Maybe some of you have these too. They can occur anywhere on the body under the skin, but I notice most of them on the arms. I am balding (so I gave in and shaved my head) but the pattern is the regular old male pattern baldness I believe. My brother Robin, still seems to have all his hair and is older than me. Daniela, Didn't you mention that you had some kind of spreadsheet??? If you want to share it, we can put it up on the web site. Let me know. Bob Gudgel Seattle Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:53:05 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Re: Gudgel Family >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:50:15 >To: William Troutman >From: lfinnell >Subject: Re: Gudgel Family > >Mr. Troutman: >I have checked my database and it looks like I don't have your Amos GUDGEL. If you can go back a little further than your Amos I probably can connect your line. I have close to 3,000 names in this database. > >The Amos I have is the son of Phillip Sheridan GUDGEL and Ida Belle NASH and goes as follows: > >Amos GUDGEL-b. Feb. 4, 1891 Athens, Menard Co., IL; d. Aug. 20, 1973 Ainsworth, NE. Married Emily Mae OGDEN in 1912 (where?). Emily b. 1893 Ainsworth, NE; d. 1948 Stuart, NE, bur. Ainsworth, NE. >Children: >Francis Ishmael >Sherman Edward >Andrew Jesse >William Leroy >Charles Phillip >Pearl Yvonne >Ida Belle > >Pearl Yvonne GUDGEL BROKOFSKY is an avid off-line researcher in Grand >Isalnd, NE and knows a lot about this family. > >Please tell me more about your Amos. Thanks, Linda > > > >At 06:52 AM 2/19/98 Time, you wrote: >>My name is William Troutman. I have an old Troutman Bible that lists an >>Amos Gudgel (b - May 3 1834)that married Mary Troutman (b - April 26 1835) >>on 11 December 1853. Their children were Hester Gudgel (b - June 27, 1855), >>Alice A. Gudgel (b - May 27, 1864) and Ellsworth Gudgel (b - December 28, >>1864). Mary's parents were John S. Troutman (1798 - 1850) and Moargaret >>Troutman (1799 - 1860). From two sources, John and Moargret were married >>Feb. 22, 1831 in Jefferson Co. In. John S. had other children; I can fill >>you in more if you would like. >> >>Best wishes, Bill >> >>William Troutman >>wtroutman@aristotle.net >> From: Shellygen@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:28:34 EST Subject: Barbara Quigley Gudgel Looking for Barbara Quigley married name Gudgel. Guessing she was born about 1920, possibly in NY or NJ, daughter of Lawrence Quigley. Have no more info whatever. Appreciate any clues however small. Thanks. Please reply to RDooley868@AOL.com Shelly, in Indianapolis Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:16:03 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: WELCOME TO SHELLY Just wanted to say Welcome to Shelly and thanks for your query about Barbara QUIGLEY GUDGEL. Can anyone help Shelly on this one? Could this line be in Illinois? Thanks, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL from Kentucky-Home of Fast Horses and Pretty Women......some say it is Fast Women and Pretty Horses! Whatever..... :) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:10:36 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: BIBLE RECORDS Decided I would go ahead and submit the records from the Bible of Thomas CRAWFORD. These records are in the possession of Marjorie CRAWFORD, 1683 Northwest Drive, Des Moines, Iowa. Please note the one GUDGEL(L) entry and if yoiu have any idea who this family is please let us know! This document was submitted to the LDS Family History Center and prepared by Christine Moon CRAWFORD HYDE, P.O. Box 291, Chillicothe, MO (date submitted unknown): MATERIAL FROM THE THOMAS CRAWFORD FAMILY BIBLE: BIRTHS: Alva Curtis CRAWFORD, 2 Aug 1856 Petersburg, Illinois Elta Valitta CRAWFORD (BARROWS), 21 Nov 1866 Dundee, Illinois Carrie Mae CRAWFORD, 15 Aug 1886 Alva Jesse CRAWFORD, 2 July 1888 Flora Elizabeth CRAWFORD, 24 Feb 1890 Elta Louise CRAWFORD, 22 March 1892 Marjorie Louise CRAWFORD, 30 July, 1898 Thomas CRAWFORD, 6 July 1828-Petersburg, Illinois Elizabeth CRAWFORD (BUSBY), 6 Jan 1829-Sharpsburg, KY Isaac Alexander CRAWFORD, 21 March 1855 Alva Curtis CRAWFORD, 2 Aug 1856 Mary Ewing CRAWFORD, 3 March 1858 Sarah Jane CRAWFORD, 15 Nov 1860 Oliver Thomas CRAWFORD, 14 May 1862 John Kenyon CRAWFORD, 30 June 1866 Anna Lizzie CRAWFORD, 18 May 1868 DEATHS: Elta Valitta CRAWFORD, 1 July 1953 Alva Jesse CRAWFORD, 13 April 1975 Flora Elizabeth CRAWFORD, 27 Dec 1901 Elta Lucille CRAWFORD CONDON, 24 April 1970 Elizabeth CRAWFORD, 18 May 1907 at 11 p.m. Isaac Alexander CRAWFORD, 7 Sept 1855 Alva Curtis CRAWFORD, 27 Jan 1921 Mary Ewing CRAWFORD, 16 Aug 1898 BIRTHS: Isaac BUSBY, 1 May 1796-Bath Co., KY Lucy ENGLAND, 23 July 1796-Kentucky Alfred S. BUSBY, 27 July 1818-Bath Co., KY Malinda BUSBY, 28 Sept 1820-Bath Co., KY Ann M. BUSBY, 12 April 1822-Bath Co., KY Andrew J. BUSBY, 18 Oct 1826-Bath Co., KY Elizabeth BUSBY, 6 Jan 1829, Bath Co., KY Sarah E. BUSBY, 1 Dec 1834-Bath Co., KY Mary J. Busby, 9 July 1837-Bath Co., KY DEATHS: Isaac BUSBY, 23 May 1862-Tuscola, Illinois Lucy BUSBY, 26 Jan 1883-Tuscola, Illinois Alfred S. BUSBY, 13 Oct 1842 Malinda PAYNE, 18 March 1907 Ann M. GUDGELL, 24 Feb 1905 < NOTE: "GUDGELL" Andrew J. BUSBY, 18 Feb 1899 Elizabeth CRAWFORD, 18 May 1907 Sarah E. CRAWFORD, 24 Aug 1861 Mary J. Long, 26 Sep 1900 ************************************************************************ That's all! Thanks, Linda Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:50:46 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Gudgel Reunion Anyone who would like a vhs copy of a Gudgel reunion in Chowchilla let me know. In fact I could add video of Chowchilla and that area of the country. The last one I did I think there were about 75 people attending. I have film and video of several reunions going back 30 or 40 years. We have had as high as 125 at the reunion. It was called the Gudgel/Sevedge reunion. Still is. Sevedge was my Grandmothers maiden name ================================================================================================ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:11:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: [ROLL-CALL-L] GOTTSCHALL, MUSSELMAN, URMEY, HECK (fwd) Cybercousins, I don't know if he is related, but I am posting the beginning of this for reference anyway. I mailed them the web URL and mentioned this mail-list too. Penny found the posting in her jogs thru the web. Maybe it would be a good idea anyway to do the rootsweb thing, even if maybe for just one year. I'm sure there's lots more Gudgels that would join this list (gudgel-list@eskimo.com) if they knew about it. Bob Gudgel > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:59:14 EST > From: ShermanFam@aol.com > To: ROLL-CALL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROLL-CALL-L] GOTTSCHALL, MUSSELMAN, URMEY, HECK > > Generation 1 > > Johannes GOTTSCHALL married Magdalena (?). I don't have any information on > them, but it is probable that they were born and married in Pennsylvania, > though when I looked in Berks and Lancaster counties I came up with nothing. > They are possibly buried in or near Miamsburg, Montgomery county, Ohio - I > believe they may have moved there with their son, Joseph, and his family. I > am still working on this one. > > Known child of Johannes and Magdalena is: > i. Joseph GOTTSCHALL, b. 29 November 1811, Warwick township, Lancaster > county, PA; d. 22 May 1887, Miamsburg, Montgomery county, Ohio. <<>> Joseph Gottschall married Charlotte Musselman b. sept. 9 1817, Berks CO. PA. etc. (b.g.) I have the rest of the post in my mail if anyone is interested. Bob Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:34:58 -0900 From: Dianne To: DSChesser@aol.com CC: Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fred Cutshall of Phili If Fred Cutshall was born in PA about 1763 and married in Phili in 1786 then it is not likely he is related to those who spell the name Gudgel. This is, UNLESS, our Old Andrew Gudgel (possibly Gottschalk then) who we know was in Bucks Co, PA in 1757, left relatives in that part of PA who changed the spelling of their name to Cutshall. We might find out more if we searched all similar spellings in the early census records for PA and Tn and Ky etc to see if the names appear and where. We could try to trace out each spelling's migration so to speak. Dianne G-H Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:28:16 -0900 From: Dianne To: lfinnell CC: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GUDGEL, CUTSHALL & slaves Did you all get my message about the Missour Gudgel's that I wrote up after looking up some of my data? The best information is about the introduction of the Hereford cattle by one well-educated and well-traveled Gudgel from MO. If you all didn't get it, perhaps it was because I only sent it to Linda. If so, would you please re-send it Linda? If you can't, I may try to find it in my sent file. Also on that e-mail or others, I mentioned the Gudgel's that were listed as slaves in the federal censuses for 1850 and 1860. An Ann Gudgel, former slave (possibley in Anderson Co, KY) was written up in a short oral history segment in The American Slave: A composite Autobiography vol. 16, by Geo P. Rawick, editor in "Contributions in Afro-American and African Studies, No. 11" published by Greenwood Publ. Co, Conn. in 1972. Ann gives little information about her background and it could well be that Gudgel was her married name. Would anyone like to research the federal census slave schedules for 1850 and 60 for Gudgels holding slaves? And then continue searching in the 1870 census for blacks named Gudgel? I would think that searching in the same county where they were once slaves would be a good start although I assume that many moved away after the civil war. I once looked in several of the southern states for slaves and came up with a few, but never finished searching all the states or the 1870 connections. Regarding the name Cutshall: I still think it all depends upon when the name appears. If there were Gudgel/Gotshall/Cutshalls living side by side or nearly so in the late 1700s and very early 1800s, then maybe there is a connection, but after the early 1800s the spelling of the name Gudgel is fairly well established. Dianne Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:42:06 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: Re: DANIEL + Fred GUDGEL DOCUMENTATION Well, I took your suggestion and dug up all my Daniel G data. I am composing it and will send it off very soon along with some info on that problematic border situation (Pa/VI) in the early days. Yes, I agree, it would be nice to solve the Frederick G relationship. I wonder if we might attack it by searching the names of Fred's daughters listed in his will. Several are listed along with their married names and I believe Fred even turned over some business matters or property to the sons-in-law? Can we continue to trace that one Andrew G that we find connected to Fred's name in Bucks/Phili area through time? If we can, and if we see that the fellow named Andrew stayed up north, then we know it could not be the one we find in Fayette Co, PA in 1768. Now, who wants to search Fred's children through his will? Dianne Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:55:53 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: SLAVES and GUDGEL SURNAME I have some information on the African American GUDGEL's from KY that I have collected and will share with you. Marriage Bond-Negroes and Mulattoes: Book A, Page 349: Anderson Co., KY November 28, (1818? or 1878?) Thomas GUDGEL and Harvey HOLEMAN signed bond for Thomas to marry Ann GILL. Thomas GUDGEL and Harvey HOLEMAN both signed by their mark. (Could this be the same Ann that Diane is talking about giving an oral history of sorts?). Lots of other "colored" marriages recorded in Anderson Co., KY *********************************************************************** Death Certificate: Ann GUDGEL, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY Residence: 208 Court Street Female, Colored, Single. Date of Death: 10-9-1938, Cause-Hypertensive Heart Disease. Sick 2 mo. Died at home., age 62 Date of Birth: 1876 Birthplace: Mercer Co., KY Father: John MEAUX, birthplace-don't know. Mother: Polly Scearse, birthplace-don't know. Informant: Winnie White Buried: Lawrenceburg. Note: I could probably work on her father's line as there are MEAUX's on my paternal grandmother's side. Feel sure they are the same line as they came out of Mercer Co. also. (GUDGEL is also that same side of the family). *********************************************************************** Death Certificate: Ab GUDGEL, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY. Male, Colored, Married. Date of Death: Feb. 15, 1922. Sick 3 days. Cause of Death: Labor Pnuemonia Date of Birth: 1843, Age 79. Occupation: Laborer Birthplace: Don't Know. Name of Father: Don't Know Name of Mother: Don't Know Buried: Lawrenceburg Cemetery Informant: Ann GUDGEL ************************************************************************ >From an article in the local Anderson Co. Newspaper in May 7, 1981 by Gertrude Cunningham, Anderson News Correspondent: Re: Hayden Stone 100 Years Old. Note: This is surely the same Ab(b) GUDGEL mentioned in the above death certificate. "The picture accompanying this article is located on Lock Road and Tyrone Pike. The stone is 100 years old and bears the inscription Milford HAYDEN, died Feb. 6, 1881, age 10 years. The information I received after visiting the site is that years ago it was known as the Ripy Tract and was given to the community by the Ripy's. It was for both black and white and was known as the Community Cemetery, buried there with no charge and neighbors would go together and make the coffins. The late Jim UTTERBACK of Lock Road would often come there and look at the corner spot where his grandparents were buried. In later years it was cleared off. The stone that I took the picture of is in perfect condition. Some property on the Tyrone Pike was at one time owned by the black folks, the Ezra HAYDEN family, SMITH property that the Abb GUDGEL family lived on, and the McCAULEY's, and Mrs. Annie REED". ************************************************************************ Besides the Edward GUDGEL in Livingston Co., MO that I mentioned in an earlier email as being Mulatto I have the following to add: 1870 Federal Censes-Montgomery Co., KY (near Bath Co.), June 1, 1870- Community of Mt. Sterling: GUDGELL, Spencer 55, male, Mulatto, Laborer, b. KY can't read/write " , Harriett 45,female Mulatto, wife, b. KY, can't read/write " , H.G., 75, male Mulatto, b. VA, can't read/write Children: Spencer, Jr. 10 male b. KY, can't read/write Alice 8, female, b. KY, In school within the year. Sarah, 6, Female, b. KY Ann, 2, female b. KY (all children were listed also Mulatto) ************************************************************************ Seems that Ann was a popular name in those days. That's all I have on hand. Linda Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:01:45 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Frederick's GOTTSCHALL's daughter's Diane mentioned maybe trying to search out the daughter's of our old Frederick (sister's of Andrew). I have tried for a number of years to do that and I do have some info. on son-in-law, Christian ALLEBACH. Henry Myers is impossible. There must have been 5 million Henry MYERS in the area back then! John CROUT/KRAIT- I've had no luck on. Yost PANNAKUCH/PANCAKE/PAMEKACH-forget it! No luck there either. Beginning to think all of these people just fell off the end of the earth somewhere in PA! Nothing but dead ends except for ALLEBACH.. I have been told that some of these families may have gone to Chester Co., PA. Open for suggestions. Anyone care to try your luck on these? Linda Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:20:28 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: THOMAS CRAWFORD BIBLE SECRET DISCOVERED! I have one more message and then I'm giving it up for the night! Yesterday I submitted the Bible record of Thomas CRAWFORD of Petersburg, IL that had an entry of GUDGEL, lots of BUSBY's and a LONG, besides CRAWFORD. Guess I have answered my own question......got to digging a little and foudn the following: In my notebook on Andrew GUDGEL(L), Jr. and Jane MITCHELL, who went to Bath Co., KY, I found the following: First...some will disageree about Allen GUDGEl being the son of Andrew GUDGELL, Jr....but that's your opinion and we've discussed that before : Joseph GUDGELL-(1822-1903) son of Allen GUDGELL and Rebecca REID, marr. Minerva Ann (Anna) BUSBY Jan. 27, 1848 Bath Co., KY! >From the Bible records I would say she is the dau. of Isaac BUSBY and Lucy ENGLAND, who were both b. KY and d. Tuscola, IL. Is Tuscola anywhere near Petersburg, IL??? Feel sure this is the Ann BUSBY listed in the Bible records because the dates of birth and death match what I have. Another clue!!!! Comments? Does anyone know about this family? Linda Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:21:58 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Re:Missouri G's >Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:16:55 -0900 >From: Dianne >Subject: Re:Missouri G's > >In response to Linda Finnell's request for information on >Gudgel's in MO. I finally re-found a few notes that I had hoped >to send earlier with the rest of the material. Maybe some of you >can add to this or get additional information from the references >listed: > >>From the Missouri Pioneer Journals (MP) come the following data: > >MP v.XII, 1971, p. 102: Corp Spence H Gudgel of Capt Joe Edsall's >Co F 11th Reg Cav. Mo. Vols. Enrolled Mar 27, 1863. Discharged >July 27, 1865 at New Orleans, LA. Born Livingstone Co, MO. Age >(in 1865?) 26 yrs. Ht: 5'10", dark complextion, dark eyes and >hair. Farmer. > >1st Sgt Rbt E. Gudgell of Capt.. John A Warrington's Co I, 11th >Reg MO Cal Reg. Enrolled June 14, 1863, discharged July 27, 1865 >at New Orleans, LA. Born Ray Co, MO, age (in 1865?) 25 yrs. Ht: >5' 10", dark complextion, dark eyes and hair. Farmer. > >MP v. XXVII, 1975, p. 78: R. (Robert?) E. Gudgell, Mooreville >Post Office in Livingstone Co, MO. Farmer. Born Ray Co, MO. Came >to Livingstone in 1842 (from Patrons of the Atlas of 1876 [of >Livingston CO?]). > >MP v. XI, 1971 p. 59: from Patrons of the Atlas of 1876 of >Harrison Co, MO: J. Gutshall, Daviess Co Post Office. Farmer. >Born Harrison Co, Ohio. Came to Harrison Co, 1860. (this might >not be a Gudgel and the information seems to be confusing. >Perhaps it was not transcribed correctly). > >MP v. VIII, 1970, p. 42: John T. Gudgel was a witness to Henry >Lile, Sr's will dated May 15, 1849 in Ray Co, MO. (will book >1821-52). > >p. 51: Jacob Gudgel Sec (?) to will of Thomas Sherwood, dated >June 28, 1836 Ray Co., MO > >Marr Records: Ray Co., MO: > Louisa Gudgell & Henry W. Peck Jan. 6, 1840 (p.26) > Mary Gudgell & Wm Love July 28, 1840 > >Marr. Records: Livingston Co, MO > Vol #1: p. 5 Narsissa Gudgel & Bryan Robinson April 14, >1842 > > Vol. 2: p. 3 Ed Gugdgel's house was the scene of a wedding >between Bowen and Lowry in 1864. > p. 27 Julian Gudgel & Franky Jennings May 7, >1872 > p. 5 Mildred Gudgel & Thomas Jennings Oct 15, >1864 > p. 7 Mildred Gudgel & James J. Lawson Aug 31, >1865 > >US Census Records for Missouri: >Livingston CO (need to check Ray Co): > >1830 no Gudgel's >1840 Jon Gudgell at Crooked River Town (he age 40-50, wife age >30-40, one son 15-20, 4 sons under 10, 2 girls under 10. >1850 John T? or L? Gudgel, 34 yrs born KY, (no wife), children: >Rbt E (13), Spence (12), Laura (10), Millard D (8), Emma F (5), >Julien M (4). (kids all born MO) > >1850 (near John T/L G lived): Edwin Gudgel (30), wife Ann (28), >John H/W (3), Rbt W (1); in household: Lucy J Davis (21). Kids >all born KY. > >1850 John Gudgel (55), Cynthia A (43), John (17), Franklin (15), >Lemora (13), Richard (7), Lova (5), Bruce (4), Kids all born KY >except youngest three. Mary A Crassman (24) of KY also lived in >household. > >No Gudgels were listed on the slave schedule in 1850 in MO (or >perhaps only in Livingston Co, need to recheck). > >1950 Buchanan Co, MO: Geo Gudgel, age 26 (born MO) lived with >D.J. Heaton family as a farmer > >1860 Livingston Co, MO: three Gudgel families lived close >together headed by John (26 of KY), Edward (34? of KY) with wife >Amy, and John (44 of KY). Neither John had a wife listed and the >latter had kids: Rbt, Spence, Mildred, Emma, Julia. In Slave >schedule for Livingston Co, there is listed a John Gudgel and it >must be the elder of the John's. He had 2 slaves. > >1870 Livingston Co, MO Gudgell, Edward (50) wife Amy (48) kids >Martin (17), Susan (12), Edward (8), Eliz (6). Kids born MO, >parents in KY. Lived near Farmersville. > >Rbt Gudgel (32), wife Attilla (25), Emma (5), John M (3) all >members born MO. Lived Bluff City. > >1870 Livingston Co, MO Blacks or Mulattos listed: Rachel Gudgel >(62 born Virginia; B? Gudgel (female 22) lived with Allen family >as domestic sevant. Henry Gudgell (40 of KY), wife Cloy (43 of >NC), with 9 children all born MO aged 20-4. > >1870 Green CO, Springfield, MO: Thomas Gudgel (21 of Ind), wife >Sarah (Jones) (18 of Ind) and children--Wm (3 of Ill), Thomas (1 >of MO). On same property lived Wiley Jones (56 of Tn) who was >Sarah's father. With Wiley was his wife Letha (37 of Ill) and 5 >younger children all born MO. This Thomas Gudgel is descended >from Wm Gudgel, last child of Old Andrew. The child Thomas listed >here has to be Thomas Wiley Gudgel who married Emma Sarah >Sevedge. > >Dianne G-H > > > > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Gudgel To: Dianne cc: DSChesser@aol.com, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Subject: Hudgell? Dianne, How about the name Hudgell? I came across it in the strays on a census in 1851 for Lancshire, Eng. I thought my family had a million spellings... you guys are so spread out maybe Hudgell is a possibility in one of the trees? - Penny Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:21:52 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Frederick's GOTTSCHALL's daughter's Anyone have the address of Pearl Brokofsky? Last I heard she lived in Grand Island Nebraska Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: RESEARCHER-PEARL BROKOFSKY Bob: Just got off the phone with Pearl BROKOFSKY in Grand Island, NE. Had a long conversation with her-she will be 72 next week. She asked me to tell Doyal hello for her. Seems they were in touch a number of years ago about the GUDGEL research. She is still active but not doing a lot of research anymore. Just a little here and there. She has given a lot of her research copies to her nephew, Dave GUDGEL in Tucson, AZ. I haven't heard from him in a while but did send him the mail list announcement. DAVE.....are you subscribed to this list? Maybe I'll send him a private email to jog his memory is he isn't on here. Pearl said her brother, Sherman GUDGEL d. Feb. 1, 1998 in Nampa, IA. It was great talking to her and people still seek her out to ask about the GUDGEL lines, etc. She has been at it for so many years. Her husband, Mel, is not doing so well. Has had multiple sclerosis for several years and she says he is not gaining any ground. I think it has been really hard on her this year, however, she is putting him in the hospital for two weeks soon so that she can get a break and go visit her sister in Idaho. Sounds like it is a trip well deserved. She's a very gracious lady that I'm glad I've gotten to know (some of those good GUDGEL genes I guess!). Linda Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:41:18 +0000 From: Daniela Moneta Subject: Re:Fayette Co., PA research At 03:17 PM 2/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >Daniela: >I've missed hearing from you!  Also haven't heard from Terri Montigny. >I did get a message from a lady who is in Fayeete Co., PA who wrote to tell >me that I was looking in the wrong township.  It was Luzerne Twp., not >Springhill Twp!  I was going by an old deed I had. > >So I made her an offer to do a little research for me..she lives in Fayette >Co. and goes to the Uniontown Library a lot.  We'll seee what happens.  At >this point I would pay someone to do this.  I'm very frustrated,  I told her >I didn't want to spend a fortune and would like to go slowly but will pay >for what I get.  Hope I'm not sorry but it is very important to me. > >Miss talking to you.  What ya' been up to? >TTYL, Linda > Dear Linda, Thank you for being so diligent about getting information. My work is very demanding now and I feel drained when I get home (in a good way!) but I am not doing as much genealogy as I would like. I would be happy to contribute to having the lady in Fayette Co. so some research for us. The information I have, too, indicates that they lived in Luzerne Township. The Woodfill women (DAR people) who did research on the Woodfill/Gudgel connection lived in Uniontown, PA. Here is a bit I sent to the Gudgel Group a few months back. It might be something you could pass on the lady in Fayette Co., PA: From information about the Woodfields' father, who came to this country in 1755 from Wales with his wife, Mr. Brenton says that he lived in Philadelphia.  It is thought that his wife died of the plague in Philadelphia in ca. 1764/65. In 1772, in  Philadelphia, there was a marriage record for the Woodfield father, so he was still there at that time.  Did the Gudschalls ever live in Philadelphia?  Didn't they live for some time in Chester Co. which borders Philadelphia?  In my notes, I have that Susanna Gudschall was born in Philadelphia in 1759 and that Elizabeth Gudschall was born in Chester in 1760. Could that mean that the Gudschalls moved from Philadelphia to Chester sometime between 1759 and 1760?  I know that we don't have proof of this but it is someplace to start. If we knew where in Chester Co. the Gudschalls lived and where in Philadelphia the Woodfields lived it might help.  I mean that they could have lived near each other on the border of the counties or something.  From Mr. Brenton's notes, the Woodfield children would have gone to live with the Gudschalls around 1765/66.  Then Brenton says, "The Gudschalls asked James Denbo to accompany them on the trip from Philadelphia to southwestern Pennsylvania.  This trip was made prior to March, 1768."  He then says that Daniel and Gabriel Woodfield (the twins) were ten years old (they were born in 1758) when the family made the hard overland trip from Philadelphia to Peaceable.    Also in Mr. Brenton's notes is written that one of the Woodfield daughters, Mary,  who was born in Wales in 1750 and went to live with the Gudschalls about 1765/66, married a James Brenton ca. 1772.  In 1779 James and Mary moved to Mercer Co., KY.  After James was killed in the Battle of Blue Licks, Mary sold out and bought land in 1787 in Shelby Co., KY.  She sold this land in 1800 (the year that Andrew bought land in Shelby) and moved to Trimble Co., KY.  I thought this was interesting because James and Mary seem to be the first couple to move to KY.  Am I right?  I think it is good to keep track of the families that lived together and moved together.  The article I mentioned yesterday in the timeline, about the DAR placing a plaque on the Woodfill grave, said that in 1769-1770 a number of families traveled together and arrived on the banks of the Monongahela River . . . .  Among these settlers there were such names as Brown, Crawford, Denbo, Godshall, Woodfill, Hawkins and several others.  I noticed on the map that Linda sent of the Gudgel land in Peaceable that Josiah Crawford was his neighbor and John Crawford lived further south at the bottom of the map.  We should try to find out where these families appear together before 1769-70.  Were they in Chester Co. or Philadelphia? Something else mentioned in the newspaper article about the DAR plaque is that the area of the Monongahela River, where the families settled in Redstone County, was claimed by three states, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Maryland, and that each state made land grants.  Dianne, you have wondered about some Gudgels being born in Maryland.  Could it be that it was the same area which is now Pennsylvania but claimed at the time by Maryland? The article goes on to say something about where the families settled in Redstone.  It says "After a short rest each family set out to claim and mark the land for which they had bargained before they left their homes to cross the mountains.  The Denbos chose the land where Denbo and Denbo Heights now stand.  The Woodfills chose the land at the foot of this hill and which has since been known as "Low Hill."  The Hockins, the land where we are standing (NOTE: they are referring to the Taylor Cemetery where the DAR ceremony took place which could be in or near Uniontown, PA) a broad level strip, . . . and decided this would be the place for a meeting house being a central place as the others had gone further west and north.  They cleared the land, dressed the logs and built a church known as "Log Church" or "Hockins Meeting House."  What this seems to me to say is, of the families that came together to Redstone (Brown, Crawford, Denbo, Godshall, Woodfill, Hawkins and several others), the Woodfills lived at Low Hill and the Godshalls and others settled further west and north. I would really be interested to know, Linda, if Mr. Pope knows more about this area.  I would like to see a bigger map.  I hope I can get a hold of Hunt's Atlas where the map Linda sent of Peaceable was taken.   Mr. Brenton said that he got most of his information about the Gudshalls and Peaceable from material in the Pittsburgh library in a big book about the history of Monongahela Valley and Washington Co.  He doesn't remember the name of the book. Linda, I seem to be recycling the same old material but it helps to look at it again because we can always pick up new information. I would be interested if the research could find anything on Susanna Gudgel who married Gabriel Woodfield/Woodfill, October 24, 1777, in Washington Co., PA. I have looked in all the published marriage records I can find but I haven't found any references. She might have more sources to look in. Let me know how much the lady charges. Lots of love, Daniela Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:50:38 -0900 From: Dianne To: Daniela Moneta CC: Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fayette Co., PA research I need to dig out ALL of my SW Penn Genie journals that I have been subscribing to for (for Fayette Co and to a lesser degree Westmoreland Co) so many years and enter everything that was printed about the Gudgels and the folks to whom they sold their property (like the Crawfords and Craigs). Those journals have been worth their weight in gold. Dianne From: Terri Montigny To: "gudgel-list@eskimo.com" Subject: Gudgel/Troutman Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:48:15 -0000 Amos Gudgell and Mary Troutman were married in Jefferson County, IN., I ran across their names were I was there. I will see if I have any additional information on them. Terri Montigny 6456 Havens Road Blacklick, OH 43004 Tmontigny@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: lfinnell [SMTP:lfinnell@lex.infi.net] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 9:53 PM To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gudgel Family >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:50:15 >To: William Troutman >From: lfinnell >Subject: Re: Gudgel Family > >Mr. Troutman: >I have checked my database and it looks like I don't have your Amos GUDGEL. If you can go back a little further than your Amos I probably can connect your line. I have close to 3,000 names in this database. > >The Amos I have is the son of Phillip Sheridan GUDGEL and Ida Belle NASH and goes as follows: > >Amos GUDGEL-b. Feb. 4, 1891 Athens, Menard Co., IL; d. Aug. 20, 1973 Ainsworth, NE. Married Emily Mae OGDEN in 1912 (where?). Emily b. 1893 Ainsworth, NE; d. 1948 Stuart, NE, bur. Ainsworth, NE. >Children: >Francis Ishmael >Sherman Edward >Andrew Jesse >William Leroy >Charles Phillip >Pearl Yvonne >Ida Belle > >Pearl Yvonne GUDGEL BROKOFSKY is an avid off-line researcher in Grand >Isalnd, NE and knows a lot about this family. > >Please tell me more about your Amos. Thanks, Linda > > > >At 06:52 AM 2/19/98 Time, you wrote: >>My name is William Troutman. I have an old Troutman Bible that lists an >>Amos Gudgel (b - May 3 1834)that married Mary Troutman (b - April 26 1835) >>on 11 December 1853. Their children were Hester Gudgel (b - June 27, 1855), >>Alice A. Gudgel (b - May 27, 1864) and Ellsworth Gudgel (b - December 28, >>1864). Mary's parents were John S. Troutman (1798 - 1850) and Moargaret >>Troutman (1799 - 1860). From two sources, John and Moargret were married >>Feb. 22, 1831 in Jefferson Co. In. John S. had other children; I can fill >>you in more if you would like. >> >>Best wishes, Bill >> >>William Troutman >>wtroutman@aristotle.net >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:40:11 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Luzerne >Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 02:48:56 -0800 (PST) >From: "ROSALIE CARROLL" >To: >Subject: Luzerne >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:01:26 -0800 > >Hi Everyone. This is in response to Linda's question about what county >would Luzerne Twp. be in before Fayette County in 1783. Westmoreland >County was formed from Bedford County on Feb. 26, 1773. The book >Pennsylvania Line states the following info.: West. Co. was the first >county created west of the Alleghenies. The entire area was disputed with >Virigina which claimed it as being part of Yohogania, Monongalia, and Ohio >Counties, Virginia. Present Westmoreland Co. at the time of the Revolution >was considered to be Monongalia Co. Va. This was settled about 1780. At >the time it was created, West. Co. included all or part of the now >Washington (1781), Fayette (1783), Allegheny (1788), Greene (1796), >Armstrong (1800), Beaver (1800), and Indiana (1803). Also if you need data >on West. ancestors prior to 1773 consult Bedford Co. records for 1771-1773 >and Cumberland Co. 1750-1771. Also, from 1729-1750, Old West. was >technically under Lancaster Co., although, no settlers from the East had >actually arrived as far west as West. at that time. So, records from >Eastern Pa., Virginia, and W.Va. can also be helpful. Thus, Luzerne Twp. >was in West. Co. before Fayette Co. This info. is on p. 58, from the >Pennsylvania Line published by Southwest Pa. Geneal. Services. One of my >very favorite and valuable books to do research. Sharing, Rosalie > > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >The Fayette County Genealogical Society- http://www.hhs.net/sss/fayette/fcgsinfo.htm > > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:40:58 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: PA/Fayette Co. Beginnings >Return-Path: >Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:18:28 -0800 (PST) >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:17:16 -0500 >From: "Toni K. Dzurko" >Reply-To: tdzurko@sgi.net >To: PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: PA/Fayette Co. Beginnings >Resent-Message-ID: <"eRkRVB.A.ZE.Rsj80"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2052 >Resent-Sender: PAFAYETT-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Hi everyone, > >Here is some info which may help when you organize your research in >Fayette County. If you already know this stuff please disregard the >"rest of the story". > >PA history first began in 1681 when King Charles II of England signed >the charter granting the land to William Penn. The new colony became >known as Pennsylvania, which means "Penn's Forest" or "Penn's Woods". >Although Penn was granted ALL the land in PA by the king, he and his >heirs would not allow settlement of ANY of it without first buying the >land from the Native Americans who lived on it. > >In 1682 a capital was set up at Philadelphia, and 3 counties were >established...Bucks, Chester, and Philadelphia. The colonists who came >to PA gradually pushed westward and northwestward from the Philadelphia >area. As more white people moved in, more land was purchased from the >Native Americans, and more counties became necessary. Even though the PA >colonial government bought the land (from the indians), disagreements >and shady practices by the white settlers and colony officals angered >the remaining Native Americans, and unrest and indian harassment was >common in the sparsely populated areas. > >Southwestern PA was not purchased by Penn's heirs from the Native >Americans until 1768, and it was definitely still a wilderness when >Europeans/whites were first allowed to purchase land in 1769. > >This corner of PA was originally claimed by both PA and VA ....(See >Rosalie Carrol's Feb. 23 message.) > >Settlers from VA and MD came north in large numbers, and more from >eastern PA (Bedford and Cumberland Counties) came over the Allegheny >Mountains. The date of the first white settlement in SW PA is uncertain, >but it is generally believed to have been in 1751 or 1752. Christopher >Gist, a trader and a surveyor for the Ohio Land Co. of Va, came to the >area in 1750, and returned with his family and some neighbors in 1752. > >Breakdown of SW PA Counties .... > >1. Pre 1729 ... Indian Territory... closest county government - >Lancaster Co. > >2. 1750 Cumberland Co. established ... covered a large area of > settled and unsettled land ... as many as 24 present-day counties > had some portion (if not all) their land in "Mother Cumberland". > >3. 1771 Bedford Co. formed ... again encompassed a large area ... took > 2/3 of Cumberland Co. ... 10 to 15 present-day counties. > >4. 1773 Westmoreland Co. was formed from the western half of Bedford Co. > encompassed present-day Westmoreland, Washington, Greene, and Fayette > Counties and parts of Beaver, Allegheny, Armstrong, and Indiana Co. > >5. 1783 Fayette Co. was formed out of southern portion of Westmoreland > Co. > > > (In 1781 Washington Co. was formed from the western half of > Westmoreland Co. & Greene Co. was then formed out of the southern > portion of Washington Co. in 1796.) > >(See Rosalie's posting for dates of other local counties.) > >Fayette County was fully organized on Sept. 26, 1783 and Uniontown >became the county seat. > >Next installment - formation of Fayette County's townships. > >Happy Hunting! > >Toni Dzurko >Perryopolis, Fayette Co. PA >E-mail: tdzurko@sgi.net >Fax: 724-736-8444 > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >Somerset County GenWeb Page is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pasomers/ > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:39:24 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: FAYETTE CO., PA INFO. I am going to forward a couple of email I received from the Fayette Co., PA mail list that might help us in our research. It is detailed info, about the development of the area as far as county boundaries, etc. I am sending them now. Thanks, Linda Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:33:27 -0800 From: Dianne Subject: Fayette early history At last! I will take a few minutes to write up what I know about the Fayette Co area (including Redstone/Brownsville area where some Gudgels were living) and the Penn/VI border problems in pre-Rev times. If some of you have other county histories that I have not cited here, please look them up and add some data. Note that Redstone does not always mean the town but apparently also at times refers to a Fort. Also note there seems to be conflicting information about the earliest settlement--sometimes welcomed by the military at the forts, and at other times not. You will see the names of several people (Quakers) to whom Andrew Gudgel sold land before moving to KY. This synopsis may lead us to do a more in-depth search for more details. Volunteers? On the Storied Ohio, by Reuben Gold-Thwaites, 1903 p. 4-5 The Ohio Company made an establishment at Redstone in about 1750. Redstone Old Fort was the western terminus of the over the mt road know as "nemacolins?" path, Braddock Road, and Cumberland Pike. And it was the chief departure point for Virginia expeditions down the Ohio River. Geo. Washington had large land interests down the Ohio and knew Redstone well. Geo Rogers Clark set out in 1778 in flatboats to capture (with his Virginia volunteers) the country north of the Ohio. Brownsville was a frontier town with many vices and crooks to temp the travelers. There was also much shipbuilding there. p. 310 The Ohio Co had a base of operations at Will's Creek (Cumberland, MD) and developed a stockage? from there (1752) across Nemocolins Path (60 miles?) to Redstone. Historical Collections of the State of Penn., Fayette Co, by S. Day 1843 p. 42 First settlement attempts by whitemen in Fayette, Washington, Green and Allegheny counties were made by the Ohio Co. It was formed in Virginia and London in 1748 by Thomas Lee, Lawrence & Augustine Washington (bros of Geo Wa) and others for the purpose of settling lands and carrying on the Indian trade on a large scale. The king granted the company 500,000 acres on easy terms on the condition that 200,000 acres should be selected immediately . . . and 100 families be seated upon them within 7 yrs at the company's expense and a fort built and maintained with a garrison. The lands taken should be chiefly on the south side of the Ohio R between Monongahela and Kenawha rivers. Their first operations were to import a great quantity of goods for the Indian trade, to explore the country, and make treaties with the Indians. Mr Chris Gist (the Daniel Boon of Fayette Co) was sent out to explore in 1750. (his journal was in the possession of Mr Mercer of Virginia at the time this book was published!). p. 330 An attempt was made to settle the lands with German emigrants; but the intolerant system of English episcopacy, which then prevailed in Virginia, and which extort church-rates from dissenters, was repulsive to the German sects, and they preferred the toleration guarantied in the province of Wm Penn. The whole of the Monongahela valley was for many years supposed to be in Virginia and a great part of the land titles in this region originated in patents from the governors of that state. The Ohio Co appears to have built a storehouse near Redstone Cr and may have made a small establishment at the Forks of the Ohio, but the disturbed state of the frontier prevented them from bringing in any amount of goods. The French War interrupted their operations entirely and afterwards in 1770-72 they merged with others. The Rev War put an end to the companies and the title to their lands was never perfected. p. 334 Col Burd continued (building?) Braddock's road which was begun by Gen Braddock. Burd continued it to Redstone/Brownsville in 1759 (This may be the road that later was termed the National Road?). An older version of the road was a great thoroughfare between Monongahela settlements and Baltimore. p. 336 Once the Braddock Road was completed to the point it was useable, many pioneers availed themselves of it. Notes from Rev Doddridge's journal (date uncertain) reveal that a great number of the first settlers to the Monongahela came from the upper parts of then colonies of Maryland and Virginia. Braddock's trail was the route by which most of them crossed the mts. The Monongahela, by Richard Bissell, 1949 p. 78 Col. James Burd selected the site of Redstone Old Fort in 1758 and built his stockade. In 1785 Thom and Basil Brown founded Brownstone which for many played an important part in the westward movement. Emigrants ended their mountain journey at Brownsville and took to the waters of the Monongahela for the rest of their trip. (there was a lot of shipbuilding there especially in the early days). Old Redstone or Historical Sketches of Western Presbyterianism, its early ministers, it perilous times, and its first records, by Joseph Smith, D.D. 1854 p. 30 Before 1758 there were no settlements in Westmoreland [from which Fayette Co was later created]. Ft Pitt was built as an English military post at this date. Two yrs later a small town of less than 200 developed near by. After the Pontiac's War, [by 1765] Pittsburg is said to have been to a small extent "regularly laid out." By 1765 and 1766, settlements were made at Redstone and Turkey-Foot. Several of these [meaning settlers?] were heads of Presbyterian families. The Indian titles had not yet been extinguished and the governor [of Penn] warned them off. Some retired, but soon returned. Others paid no regard to the complaints of the Indians or government treats. There was much trouble from this source about 1768; but it subsided and the Indian claims were satisfied by treaties. About this time, some emigrated from Berkley Co, Virginia,and settled in what is now Fayette Co, PA, but then claimed by VI. In the summer of 1766, two Presbyterian missionaries visited Western Penn and spent two months among the settlers and Indians . . . . During this period (1760-1770), settlements were rapidly made in various places, through all the region embraced by the Presbytery of Redstone. Soon after 1767, many Scotch-Irish from Bedford & York counties, the Kittatinny Valley, from Virginia and Ireland settled in Washington Co. Settlements extended from the Monongahela to the Ohio R. p. 31 The settlers used the barely passable Braddock's Trail with pack horses [wagons could not make it then?]. The settlers' objective was cheap land--for little more than the office fees. Indian titles were not considered, and because Virginia thought its charter included this area, confirmed titles [be means of certificates] with few restrictions. Another kind of land title existed as well. Tomahawk title was made by killing a few trees near a spring and blazing others. This method of establishing priority claim was respected by settlers and such rights were often bought because it was easier to do so than to quarrel with those who made the original claims. Penn purchased the country as far west as the Allegheny and Ohio rivers from the Indians in 1768 and opened a land office for sale of the lands. The surveyors were told to respect the lands of settlers who had improved the land to a value of at least 5 lbs. p. 32 Few of the settlers who already had occupied lands, applied for warrants, because they were not sure to which province the soil belonged. They probably wished for it to belong to Virginia because ti would have cost them about 1/14th the price of lands sold in Penn. In about 1768 Governor Lord Dunmore (British Virginia) opened several offices in what is now the four western counties of Penn. Land warrants were granted for the price of 2 shillings and 6 pence. This was about 10 shillings per 100 acres. The governor set up two county courts south of the Monongahela and one north of it (at Redstone Old Fort) [all within what is now Penn]. p. 33 After the close of the French War in 1763, immigrants poured across the mts and continued through the Rev War. Even after the Rev War there was little security for the 20,000 Anglo-Americans in Western Penn until about 1794. The settlers suffered greatly [from lack of supplies including clothing] and there was a great deal of Indian unrest. p.34 The Penn/VI border dispute was settled in 1784. p.37-39 After the Rev War many families went west over the poor trails with pack horses carrying all their possessions. Some portions of the trail were so bad that horses would fall off the narrow path down cliffs or be lost while fording streams. p. 47 Until 1788 packing goods by horse was common. Later keelboats became a common mode of transport. p. 48-49 The people who moved west in 1785-86 had more live stock and possessions than those already there. Many of the earlier settlers soldout (in 1786-87) and went farther west or to Kentucky to endure the hardships all over again. Many left by boat. This further emigration continued until about 1895. Land in Penn was often sold to the new arrivals for copper stills. One still of 100 gals bought 200 acres. It bought more in KY. The Navigator, March of America Facsimile Series #61, by Z. Cramer, 1814. p.42 (the name of Josiah Crawford appears as part of a place name for a portion of the river. Crawford was one of the names to whom Andrew Gudgel sold his land in the 1780s). Brownsville (or Redstone) lies immediately below Dunlap Creek on the east side of the river. In 1810 it contained about 120 houses mainly of wood, but some of stone or brick, a market house, an Episcopal church, 18 mercantile stores, 2 tanyards, a rope walk, 2 boat yards, 2 tin and copper manufacturers, 2 nail factories, one printing office with a weekly paper, a post office, a warehouse, one scythe and sickle maker, blacksmiths, silversmiths, tailors, shoemakers, saddlers. Within a few miles of town are 4 Friends meeting houses, 26 grist, saw, oil and fulling mills. Within 4 miles up Redstone Cr is a valuable paper mill. A steel factory was in operation by 1811. The same year a green glass-works factory was in operation. Factories being erected are: cotton factory, a foundery, and factory for making mill-saws. The construction of a steam boat was begun in 1813 and was expected to descend the Ohio R in 1814. The Monongahela bank was established in 1813. Lately a valuable grist and saw mill turned by the water of the river was built in which are wool and cotton carding machines. p. 43 The inhabitants of Brownsville are industrious. The settlement is the oldest and richest in the western country and "is principally settled by Quakers." Near this place are rocks containing curious carvings, the hills abound with excellent coal, the river with fish . . . . The Planting of Civilization in Western Pennsylvania, by S Buck and E Buck, 1939 p. 130 Many of the 1st settlers of Western Penn were indentured servants who'd paid their master off; some were free immigrants--English/Welsh. p 131 The German immigrants who went farther west in Penn lost contact with the central German body of the coast and they became more like their English neighbors. They often lost touch with their church and many were found out beyond the settlements. p.139 Brown and sons settled in what is now Fayette Co in 1751-2. Chris Gist came in about 1754 to Mt. Braddock area. Settlers who came in 1754 were likely there under the auspices of the Ohio Co. p. 140 Some settlers vanished in 1754 when Ft. Necessity closed. There was an influx of settlers after the fall of Ft Duquesne in 1758. They came via Braddock and Forbes Rd and settled near the forts, one of which was Redstone. Although the British had closed the area west of the Allegheny Mts to settlement, this did not stop the settlers. p.141 In 1763, 14 families were reported to be living at Redstone. Some settlers had obtained land near Ft. Burd near Redstone under military permits. there were Indian problems in 1763 and some people left; but new waves of people came the next yr. In the mid-1760s many settlers made "tomahawk" land claims (blazing of trees to mark the occupation of the land they were claiming). In June 1766, Alex Mackay, an officer of Ft Pit, came to Redstone with soldiers and Indian chiefs and notified the settlers they had to leave the area. The soldiers burned all the huts they could find and the settlers promised to leave. p. 142 In 1768, Penn ordered the death penalty for settlers remaining in the area and sent Rev John Steele to convey the message. But the 150 families at the meeting with Steele thought it was all a contrivance of the Philadelphia people and refused to move until after the forthcoming meeting with the Indians. p. 143 The Treaty of Fort Stanwix in the fall of 1768 ended the Indian land claims in the area in 1769 Penn opened a land office for the sale of land in the newly purchased territory. Price was 5 lbs per 100 acres (13 cents/acre). The max amount of land was 300 acres. A patent had to be taken out before payment was accepted, but patenting was often delayed indefinitely. [this may explain why it seems to have taken Andrew so long to receive patent to his land; in one case he sold three different parcels of land, in Luzerne township, on Oct 18, 1788 to three different parties and in each case the records say the land was patented to Andrew on June10, 1788; these are the same records which list his wife as Barbary, and which in one case reports that Andrew was Andrew Gudgel, Sr! All this I obtained from microfilm records of Fayette Co Deeds Book A, p. 252-3; Book B, p 27-28. But wait--I have an Index to the Deed books for 1784-1923 where I have written down that Andrew Gudgeld, Jr is listed in Book B, p. 4 item 331. And when I searched and wrote down item 331, I wrote that Andrew and wife Barbary sold land to A. Neilan on Nov 4, 1788 from a patent issued June 10, 1788. So either I wrote down the Jr./Sr thing incorrectly or the index is incorrect in that or the wife's name or something else is wrong. Perhaps it is worth rechecking the original records? By the way, Daniel Gudgel along with Rachel, Stephan and Nathan are listed in the Deed books for 1809 and 1814. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes 2/98). p. 144 Geo Broghan said that in the summer of 1770 the road was continually lined with wagons moving to Ohio. The treaties did not stop Indian unrest and western Penn was in a constant state of alarm from Dunmore's War in 1774 until 1782. p. 145 After 1780, Penn made provision for the emancipation of slaves and many settlers then moved to KY. p. 149 Many early Brownsville area settlers were from the Maryland and Virginia areas and many were Quakers. p. 150 After the Revolutionary War, many slave holders moved to KY and their land was bought up by Quakers. p. 410 The first Quakers came to the area under Henry Beeson's leadership in 1769. In 1782, the Quakers asked the Hopewell Monthly Meeting in Virginia to set up their own meeting; three yrs later the Westland Monthly Meeting was established. In 1793 the Redstone Monthly Meeting was established. History of Fayette County, Pennsylvania with Biographical Sketches of many of its Pioneers and Prominent Men, 2 vols, by Ellis 1882 p. 53 Early settlers came along Indian trails from Oldtown, Maryland to the Youghiogheny. p. 58 In 1765-6 many new settlers came from Maryland and Virginia. Before that, Indian problems made settlement scare and what there was, was chiefly in Redstone Valley and Turkey Foot. Up to 1770, nearly all of the settlements west of the Allegheny Mts were at these locations. The King of England (1765) declared that all who moved west of the Mts should remove themselves as the move was in defiance of his prohibition. Capt Alex Mackay was sent with soldiers in 1766 to tell the settlers they must move. p. 59 Only a few settlers were afraid enough to vacate for long. In 1767 more settlers were again driven away for a short time. p.66 During Dunmore's War of 1774 Fayette Co was nearly depopulated due to Indian unrest although the area saw little actual hostile action. p. 465 Capt. Lemuel Barrett of Maryland obtained a permit to cultivate lands near Ft Pitt in 1763 . From 1769-85 the land above Bridgeport was involved in much controversy under claims issued under military permits. There were many permits issued from 1760-65 for settlement around Ft Pitt and Burd and along roads leading to the forts.But the permits were not made for permanent town settlements rather, they were meant for agriculture purposed to support the forts. The Penns eventually recognized the claims as valid before they bought out Indian titles. The land under controversy was eventually sold to Rees Cadwallader 1783 who laid out the town of Bridgeport in 1794. p 466 "In June, 1796, Rees Cadwallader, Jonas Cattle, & Obed Garwood of Fayette Co, and Amos Hough of Washington Co, sold to Sam Jackson, John Dixon, and Wm Dixon of Fayette co, and Ebenezer Walker of Westmoreland Co, 'Trustees in behalf of the People called Quakers,' 8 acres of land which had been patented to Andrew Gudgel, June 10, 1788, and by him sold on the 18th of October following to Rees Cadwallader and the other grantors above named." p. 633? Luzerne Township: There is an old Quaker's cemetery in Charleston district. Luzerne was one of the original townships of the county. Merrittstown is the most important village located above Dunlaps Cr. There are carved petroglyphs near Millsboro. In 1759 Col James Burd opened the road from Laurel Hill to mouth of Dunlaps Cr and this was the route that the earliest settlers took to the Monongahela Valley. p. 635 James and Josiah Crawford (brothers), Quakers, settled in Luzerne twp in 1770-1 from Maryland (dgh note: Andrew Gudgel sold land to these brothers!) Josiah had a ferry on the river at his place. James had slaves. Both men reported there were few houses in 1770 when they came. p. 640 Thomas Gregg was a Quaker (dgh note: Andrew Gudgel sold land to Tom Gregg). p. 641 South of Brownsville was a Quaker settlement and the prominent men were: Jonas and David Cattell, Obed and Jesse Garwood, Jonah & Septimus Cadwallader, Thomas Gregg. Charleston Dist Quakers built a church in 1800. p. 642 In 1784 a road passed from Josiah Crawford's ferry to Uniontown and it passed by Daniel Gudgel's and . . . p. 696 Rev John Steele and other commissioners were sent to Monongahela Co in 1768 to determine what settlements had been made. Andrew Gudgeon (Gudgel) was listed as living near Redstone. That area may have been in Nicholson twp. p. 724 Wm Colvin of Redstone Township, Fayette Co, traded in a small way at his home near Brownsville as early as 1766. Under that date in his account book are some of the articles he sold: fine combs, rum, broadcloth, whisky, tobacco, egg-punch, egg-nog, vinegar. Among the 1767 charges appears the name Andrew Grigen (which might be Gudgel?). The Monogahela of Old or Historical Sketches of Southwestern Penn to the Year 1800, by James Veech. p. 92 (Rev Steele's group met with settlers at Redstone and other communities and attempted to persuade them to leave until the Indian treaties were completed. But several Indians accompanied Steele and spoke before the gatherings and in doing so appeared to convey to the settlers their peaceful intents. Thus, the settlers had no pressing reason to vacate their homes. Steele wrote that the "Indians coming to Redstone, and delivering their speech, greatly obstructed our design." Andrew Gudgeon (Gudgel) is listed among the inhabitants at Redstone according to Steele's list. Others include Abe Tygard (Teagarden) with whom Andrew had other dealings (arrested for rioting with Andrew and others). Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:42:37 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Palatine/Palatinate emigrants Cybercousins, I've wondered where or what Palatine Germany is or was in regards to rumours or stories about Frederick and old Andrew. I also hear that it wasn't really "Germany" back in the early 1700's technically, speaking. My wife, Penny, ran across this in her searches that MAY be relevent. Bob Gudgel Seattle >From pennyg@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 10:27:24 1998 Bobby you were asking about Palatine emigrants... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 01:28:54 -0400 From: Gery & Sue To: PRL DUNBAR , TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TSL] Palatinate emigrants: was TheShipsList-D Digest V98 #146 Hello Pat, At 04:05 AM 3/2/98 EST, PRL DUNBAR wrote: >Could someone please explain to a newbie to the list the the meaning of the >phrase "Palatinate emigrants" which appears in the subject Digest? > >From my genealogical researches a palatine/palatinate(?) earldom was an >earldom in which the earl had or had assumed all the powers of kingship. In brief, the name Palatinate derives from the ancient and medievil office of Count Palatine, a nobleman who held judicial powers and had charge of the various imperial castles where German emperors stayed while traveling. The term became associated with the districts where the count palatines were sovereign representatives. There were two main Imperial regions. The western, or Rhenish (Lower Palatine) and N.E. Bavaria (Upper Paltine). >Therefore "Palatinate emigrants" would to me suggest enforced migration - >transportation - as in the same vein of hyperbole as "detained under Her >Majesty's pleasure" usually means jailed for an indeterminate period. > >So were these migrants convicts? No they weren't convicts. In the case of Nova Scotian migration, from 1749 to 1752 they were recruited quite heavily to settle in the province to strengthen the British hold. They are commonly referred to as "The Foreign Protestants". Many of their names still abound in Nova Scotia. Just a 'snap-shot' but I hope it helps. Sue -- **************************** Sue & Gery Swiggum co-owners TheShipsList© mailto:swig@ns.sympatico.ca ***************************** ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== To see a list of Genealogy Lists go to John Fuller's Page http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html Or RootsWeb Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:53:48 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Palatinate area of Germany It sure has been quiet on this list lately. Guess everyone's been as busy as I have been. In answer to Bob's question about what is considered the Palatinate area of Germany.....I have seen it explained as the western border of Germany between Germany and France. That definition leaves a lot to be desired I guess. I did pay particular attention to some files at the LDS library that showed the variations of the old GUDGEL, GOTTSCHALL, GOTTSCHALK, GUDGEON,, etc. coming from countries such as Czecheslovokia (sp?) and Holland. Thought that was strange. Could mean that they migrated there to escape problems in Germany I suppose. Linda Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:48:53 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL's in Jefferson Co., IN I've not had much luck researching the GUDGEL's in Jefferson Co., IN and wondered if anyone on the list has much info. about them. I have heard that Madison, Jefferson Co., IN was one of the "burned" courthouses and lots of early records were lost. Anyone have any data about this faily in early days of Jefferson Co., IN? As a matter of fact, I haven't had much luck with Missouri GUDGEL's either (mostly Livingston Co.). Linda Woodford Co., KY Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:20:04 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: Michael Hoffman CC: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Palatine/Palatinate emigrants Bob Gudgel wrote: > > Cybercousins, > I've wondered where or what Palatine Germany is or was in > regards to rumours or stories about Frederick and old Andrew. I also hear > that it wasn't really "Germany" back in the early 1700's technically, > speaking. As I understand it Palatine is an area along the Rhine river. Germany was not unified until the 1800's. If you will remember Luther nailed his theses on the door of the Cathedral at Worms. The duke was his protector. Not a German emperor as there were not any. There were some Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire before it disintegrated. There were more later but in name only as there was not a Roman Empire. Even today a German would be in line for that title if the Holy Roman Empire was reestablished again. Immigrants from Germany left Germany because of poverty and persecution. There were the 30 years war and the Hundred years war which made life miserable for the occupants of that part of Europe. The story of the lower classes in that time is heart rending. Therefore there were many immigrants. The immigrants from Palatine went down the Rhine and were constantly robbed and persecuted by various rulers along the Rhine on their way to the Netherlands. In many parts of the river dukes placed chains across the river to stop trade or immigrants to get paid before passage was allowed. Many arrived in the Netherlands, mainly Rotterdam, destitute. I saw this history a long time ago on the Internet and wish I could find it again. Hadn't thought of it until the subject was brought up here. William Penn did a lot to encourage immigration to America from this reason. He made a trip to Palatine to find people who would settle in Pennsylvania. Many suffered the fate described above in their trip down the Rhine. There still are a lot of reasons why Germans like to immigrant. The French at the present time do not immigrant all that much. Except for the Huguenots French immigrated much less than Germans. They seem to have been more satisfied. The Irish is another example of massive immigration caused by the great potato famine. And to a lesser extent British persecution. > >Therefore "Palatinate emigrants" would to me suggest enforced migration - > >transportation - as in the same vein of hyperbole as "detained under Her > >Majesty's pleasure" usually means jailed for an indeterminate period. > > > >So were these migrants convicts? > > No they weren't convicts. In the case of Nova Scotian migration, from 1749 > to 1752 they were recruited quite heavily to settle in the province to > strengthen the British hold. They are commonly referred to as "The Foreign > Protestants". Many of their names still abound in Nova Scotia. Just a > 'snap-shot' but I hope it helps. > > Sue The English were the main ones to ship white slaves from England. Robert Louis Stevenson wrote the book "Kidnapped" which gives an account. Our word "kidnapped" comes from the taking of children that they did in those days. In fact the first slaves to the colonies were white slaves. For over a hundred years before blacks were brought over in any numbers. Conditions were as bad or worse than the black slave ships. I've mentioned it previously that an ancestor of mine named Fairchild was sent to Barbados as a slave. He was convict at old Bailey the prison in London waiting ot have his head lopped off or hung until he was "transported" to Barbados. Just what his crime was I don't know. It didn't take much to get the death sentence in those days. The 1723 Waltham act listed 200 crimes that the punishment for was death. Among them such as stealing a rabbit from an aristocrat. Breaking up his fish pond. Youth of 14 or 15 were strung up for stealing a sheep. There was no comparative effort to snatch slaves from Germany. Immigration from there was encouraged by the horrible conditions that the peasants had to live. The surplus population of England went to the colonies as slaves. The next time a black try's to put you down because of slavery, whites have their own history of slavery just as bad. Except for the facts on Palatine my information on White slavery comes from the book "They Were White and The were Slaves." by Micahel Hoffman II I hightly recommend this book. Independent History and Research P.O. Box 849, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Doyal Gudgel Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:29:48 -0900 From: Dianne To: lfinnell CC: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GUDGEL's in Jefferson Co., IN & MO Linda, While I don't know specifically about Gudgel's in Jefferson Co, Ind and MO I think it would be a good idea if we could all cooperate to search the published indexes for all the US censuses plus the Soundexes and make a list. The list could guide us when we try to find G's or check off what we already know, or for placement of people. The problem with published indexes that I have discovered, is that all names are not indexed. I have found a few more names when I searched the actual counties. Often Gudgel's lived near each other in the counties, so this isn't too much of an inconvenience. So indexes are a good place to start and they sure beat doing everything all over. So, what do you all say? How about each of us taking a census year and several states? With an agreed upon format, we can publish all on the web site, maybe? Then when we want to go to the read census schedules, we have all the indexed information to work from. Dianne PS Linda when are you going to go to that person's house in a near by county to look up old Gudgel stuff in the attic? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:00:31 -0500 (EST) To: Martin-L@rootsweb.com From: lfinnell Subject: JOSIAH MARTIN Cc: kyroots@lsv.uky.edu, Anderson-L@rootsweb.com, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Looking for info. on Josiah MARTIN, b. 1801 Culpepper Co., VA, d. 1885 Anderson Co., KY. Married 1839 Lucy Ellen HERNDON (1821-Shelby Co., KY, d. 1876 Anderson Co., KY). Children: (most all b. Anderson Co., KY): Joe Edward-(1860-1925). Marr. Margaret Bell GUDGEL. Katherine Martha-marr. Jessie WATERFILL Zachariah-b. ca. 1849 Betty Lydia -b. ca. 1844 James-b. ca. 1843 Mildred-b. ca. 1840 Linda GUDGEL FINNELL from Kentucky Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:35:59 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: NEW LIST MEMBERS-SMITTY & WILLIE CROSSFIELD! Welcome to Smitty and Willie Crossfield of Lawrencebrug, Anderson Co., KY. Smiity and Willie are "wintering" in the sunny climate of Florida till spring but we hope they will join in and tell us about the CROSSFIELD/GUDGEL connections that they have researched for years. They are away from the computer for a few days on one of their "fun trips" and I think they will return on Wednesday. (What a life!, right guys?). We are just so envious! I have not been contributing much lately due to the fact I seem to have not learned to say "No" very easily and sometimes overextend myself! I am sure that every memeber on this list surely has a question they would like answered. Well......would somone please ask a few questions as to what you want to know about? Might be surprised at how easily we can come up with answers. I look at my collections and piles and think, "nah, they don't want to know about that" and then I try to think of something intersting to send. Somebody needs to give me some hints, please! Let's get this rolling again guys. There's an awful lot of GUDGEL's out there besides their related families. Let's hear from you! Linda Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:36:01 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: ALLEN GUDGELL-BATH CO., KY I think I will concentrate on the Bath Co., KY GUDGELL's for a while. Does anyone have any info. to contribute? Allen GUDGELL, son of Andrew GUDGELL and Jane MITCHELL, and grandson of our immigrant ancestor, Andrew GOTTSCHALL(K)/GUDGEL(L) was b. Feb. 14, 1788, Bath Co., KY, d. Feb. 20, 1868 Bath Co., KY and bur. in the GUDGELL Cemetery, Owingsville, Bath Co., KY. He married Rebecca REID/REED Feb. 8, 1813 in Estill Co., KY. Rebecca was born Dec. 22, 1788, d. Sept. 10, 1872. Buried GUDGELL Cemetery, Owingsville, Bath Co., KY. Children (all b. Bath Co., KY): Polly A. GUDGELL-b. Apr. 4, 1814, d. Mar. 15, 1832. Buried GUDGELL Cemetery, Bath Co., KY. Marr. David M. DUNLAP. Thomas Fletcher GUDGELL-b. July 20, 1815, d. Apr. 27, 1878. Bur. GUDGELL Cemetery, Bath Co., KY. Marr. Mary Magdelena POWERS, Feb. 9, 1837 Bath Co., KY. John H. GUDGELL-b. Feb. 18, 1817 Bath Co., KY, d. Apr. 15, 1872, bur. GUDGELL Cemetery, Bath Co., KY. Marr. Elizabeth GUDGELL Sept, 15, 1852 Anderson Co., KY. (Yes, he married a cousin from Anderson Co., KY.-Elizabeth was the dau. of Andrew GUDGEL and Elizabeth MOUNTJOY). Another Andrew! Robert R. GUDGELL-b. June 4, 1819, d. Dec. 11, 1819. Terressa E. GUDGELL-b. Mar. 15, 1821, d. Apr. 22, 1895. Marr. Matthew B. McCLURE Sept. 17, 1845. Joseph GUDGELL-b. Feb. 18, 1822, d. May 25, 1903. Bur. Bethel Cem., Bath Co., KY. Marr. Minerva Ann BUSBY Jan. 27, 1848 Bath Co., KY. (This is the connection to the CRAWFORD Family Bible Record I submitted previously-re: BUSBY). Sally F. GUDGELL-b. Oct. 25, 1824, d. Nov. 25, 1909. Marr. Daniel HARPER Sept 17, 1846. Middle initital could be "J". Annaliza GUDGELL-b. Ot. 24, 1826, d. Feb. 21, 1912/13. Marr. Thomas Terry Oct. 18, 1850. Jannett Martha GUDGELL-b. June 3, 1830, d. Dec. 12, 1912. Bur. GUDGELL Cemetery, Bath Co., KY. a/k/a "Jenny Martha". Was crippled and never married. Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:36:04 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Will of Allen GUDGELL, Bath Co., KY WILL OF ALLEN GUDGELL-BATH CO., KY , WILL BK ____, PG. 171. THIS MAY CERTIFY THAT I ALLEN GUDGELL OF THE COUNTY OF BATH & STATE OF KENTUCKY DO APPOINT MATTHEW B. MCCLURE AND TERRESIA, HIS WIFE, A COMMITTEE TO TAKE CHARGE OF MY AFFLICTED DAUGHTER, JENNY GUDGELL, AND HER PORTION OF MY ESTATE FOR HER USE AND BENEFIT, TO BE USED AGREEABLY TO HER NECEFSITIES AT THERI JUDGEMENT AND DIRECTION AND IF SHE SHOULD NOT LIVE TO SPEND ANY CONSIDERABLE PORTION OF THE DEPOSIT THE BALANCE TO BE HANDED OVER TO MY ESTATE AND DISTRIBUTED ACCORDING TO LAW. AS WITNESS I HAVE THIS DAY SET MY HAND AND AFFIXED MY SEAL 10TH MARCH 1867. ALLEN GUDGEL {SEAL} ATTEST: O.S. BIGGSTAFF L.A. SIMPSON STATE OF KENTUCKY} BATH COUNTY } SCT. I, JAMES W. BOND, CLERK OF THE COUNTY COURT FOR THE COUNTY AFORESAID DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THIS INSTRUMENT OF WRITING PROPORTING TO BE THE LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF ALLEN GUDGELL, WAS THIS DAY PRODUCED IN OPEN COURT AND APPROVED BY THE OATHS OF O.S. BIGGSTAFF AND L.A. SIMPSON WITNEFSES HEREUNTO SUBSCRIBED AND AS SUCH ORDERED TO BE RECORDED. WHEREUPON THE SAME TOGETHER WITH THIS CERTIFICATE HATH BEEN DULY ADMITTED TO RECORD IN MY OFFICE. GIVEN UNDER MY HAND THIS 8TH DAY OF JUNE, 1868. EXAMINED. J.W. BOYD, CLERK Note: Thought it was interesting that his name was signed with one "L" in GUDGELL. Also can still see the old substitute of the letter "f" for "s" in several places. Linda Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:06:53 -0900 From: Dianne To: lfinnell CC: Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re:Federal land records Well Linda, I am not sure I have anything new to offer on the Bath Co or Ky in general G's. But it isn't a bad idea for us to have a plan of some sort.I sure would like to see each of us take a project and work on it. One of my latest genie magazines talked about the federal land records. The feds sold public land after the Rev War and the Nat'l Archives has records of it ALL. I imagine that Old Andrew applied for land through the federal gov as it was well after the war when he moved to Ind. Does anyone know the exact land description? If we could get that, then we could write for the records. Perhaps we could even get Sally Gudgel in D.C. to make a visit and get the records as the file folder that was kept on each person sometimes has things like original marriage records in it! Not only did the state keep a set of land records, but they were required to make a copy each time their book filled up and then sent the copy on to D.C. Do you think, Linda, that any KY Gudgel's obtained land directly from the federal gov? After the initial sale, any subsequent sales were handled through the local county and that's were most land records would be. But for the initial purpose, the feds have the records. All we need in most cases is the state, person's name, and legal description like SW 1/4 of such and such. But, some states have indexes to the federal land records. If anyone knows of a Gudgel who obtained land from the government, let me know and I will look up whether or not that particular state has an index to the names. Dianne G-H Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gudgeon email Here's a small email (for the record) from a person seeking Gudgeon information that I gave some info to... Bob Gudgel >From leonards@ucinet.com Mon Mar 16 22:36:13 1998 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:57:17 -0800 Bob: Thank you for the information, I appreciate your input! I have a Mary Catherine GUDGEON parents unknown b Dec 1845 Meigs County, OH d June 22 1936 Waterloo, Lawrence County, Ohio m Hiram Washington DEWITT. one known child: William Stephen DEWITT b Jul 7 1873 Waterloo Ohio d 24 Nov 1930 Blackfork, Lawrence County, Ohio -Vickie Edwards-Leonard Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:18:29 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Good idea! I think Diane had a great idea! We should let everyone pick an area to discuss. Right now I am concentrating on Bath Co.,, KY. Let's see....who would like to do an area in Missouri, or Kansas, or Indiana, or Nebraska, or California, or Illinois.....and so on. Tell us about your area and what the GUDGEL's were doing there. Thanks for sharing. Linda Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:01:43 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: ALLEN AND JOHN T. GUDGELL-BIOGRAPHY >From the History of Bath Co., KY; by Richards, page 536: ALLEN GUDGELL Allen GUDGELL was born in Bath Co., KY on Feb. 14, 1788, and was raised on the old GUDGELL farm two miles southwest of SHarpsburg until his marriage on Feb. 9, 1813, to Rebecca REID when he purchased a small farm on Flat Creek and lived on it until 1823 when he purchased a farm of 250 acres on the waters of Prickley Ash Creek. He lived there until his death on February 20th, 1868. He was elevted Justice of the Peace under the old Constitution which was formed in 1799. He served on the bench with some of the best men of the day such as Moses DUSKIN, Samuel STONE, Moses RYAN, James WORKMAN, Richard BROWN, Hugh PORTER and others. Under the old Constitution the senior Justice of the Peace became the Sheriff and by reason of his seniority Allen GUDGELL became Sheriff in 1842 and served two years. He used to tell jokes on himself to the effect that he tool a notion to run for the Legislature. He announced himself and made a canvass of one week's length. In the meantime his opponents started a report on him that he had stolen a hog. He quit the race, for he said in another week's time they would have proven it on him. While a Justice of the Peace he was in great demand for performing the marriage ceremony and was called upon from all over the county to officiate at weddings because he entered freely into the spirit of fun and frolic with the youngsters and didn't charge them much. Page 544 & 545: JOHN T. GUDGELL John T. GUDGELL, one of Bath County's best known and most respected farmers, was born in this county near Reynoldsville on Sept. 12, 1848. In early youth he was married to Miss Mildred DARNELL, a daughter of the pioneer settler, Elliott DARNELL. Mr. GUDGELL was himself a member of a pioneer family. For the greater part of his life he resided in the White Oak section of the county where he was well and favorably known. A Democrat in politics, he was not just a passive one, but he actively participated in the affiars of the party. He died December 21st, 1930. Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:04:18 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: HARRY B. GUDGEL, M.D.- GIBSON CO., IN >From the HISTORY OF GIBSON CO., IN by Gil R. Stormont. published 1914, B/F/ Bowen & Co., Inc., Indianapolis, IN pgs. 965, 966, & 967. Note: (any comments from me will appear in parenthesis). HARRY B. GUDGEL, M.D. The physician who would succeed in his profession must possess many qualities of head and heart not included in the cirriculum of the schools and colleges he may have attended. In analyzing the career of the successful practitioner of the healing art it will invariably be found to be true that a broad-minded sympathy with the sick and suffering and an honest, earnest desire to aid his afflicted fellow men have gone hand in hand with skill and able judgement. The gentleman to whom this brief tribute is given fortunately embodies these necessary qualifications in a marked degree and by energy and application to his professional duties is building up an enviable reputation and drawing to himself a larger and remunerative practice. Harry B. GUDGEL, M.D., was born in Hazelton, Gibson Co., IN October 7, 1877, the son of John Franklin GUDGEL, M.D., a native of Gibson Co., born in Columbia township near Oakland City, January 29, 1849, and died October 4, 1901, and Cynthia Anna (BALDWIN) GUDGEL, born in Gibson Co. The father of John Franklin GUDGEL was Andrew GUDGEL, a native of Owensville, IN, while Andrew GUDGEL's father, who was also named Andrew, came from Kentucky to Indiana in 1818 (was 1810/11) and located in what is now Gibson Co., between Owensville and Fort Branch. Here he bought government land and engaged in farming. He was a man of excellent stock and unquestioned integrity. The family name was formerly spelled "GOODSHALL"(one of many spellings!), the change came to present mode of spelling having been made many years ago. Dr. GUDGEL's father received his elementary education in the district schools, after which he taught several years, and then took up the study of medicine at Oakland City, IN. with Dr. McGowan. Subsequentkly he attended medical college in Louisville, KY, and then the Miami Medical College at Cincinnati, graduating from that institution in 1874. Upon completing his studies in preparation for the work of his chosen profession, he came to Hazelton, where he engaged in practive until his death. He was a man who took and active interest in public affairs, and while not an office seeker or holder, he took great pride in casting his vote for men and principles that stood on high moral grounds. His death, due to Bright's disease, occurred in his fifty-second year. Dr. GUDGEL, the eldest of a family of five children, secured a good elementary education in the common schools and thereafter engaged in teaching in Hazelton, which profession he followed for three years. Being desirous of following in the footsteps of his worthy father, in 1893, he entered the Medical Colleg of Indiana. at Indianapolis. On finishing the course at this institution, he further pursued his studies in the Louisville Medical College and then at the University of Illinois, graduating from the College ofPhysicians and Surgeons at Chicago in 1904. With this thorough and conscientious preparation for his life work, he returned to Hazelton and entered upon the practive of medicine, and the splendid practice which he has at present testifies that his efforts were not in vain. In 1907 Doctor GUDGEL was united in marriage to Emma HORRALL, of Washington, Daviess Co., IN, the daughter of S.O. HORRALL, who was extensively interested in the lumber business and was well and favorably known throughout Indiana. The subject is a member of the Indiana State Medical Association and of the Gibson Co. Medical Association, while fraternally, he has memebership in the blue lodge of the Masonic fraternity, in which he is a past master; he has passed through the chairs in the Independent Order of Odd Fellows, and is an earnest and appreciative memeber of the Benevolent and Protective Order of the Elks. ************************************************************************ If you have information on the family of Harry B. GUDGEL, M.D. or his wife, Cynthia BALDWIN, please share with us. I have no information on this family. Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:04:15 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: GIBSON CO., IN BIOGRAPHY >From the HISTORY OF GIBSON COUNTY, INDIANA, Her people, Industries and Institutions. By Gil R. Stormont Page 60, 61. Published 1914, B.F. Bowen & Co., Inc. Indianapolis, IN Note: (Any notes from me will appear in parenthesis). Andrew GUDGEL, grandfather of the late Andrew GUDGEL of Columbia Township, was a man whose career is worthy of record in this connection. He was of German origin and settled in Pennsylvania. He was thrice married and was the father of seventeen children. The maiden name of his last wife was Elizabeth KANE (correction-marriage return says PANE). After the Revolutionary war had ended, he like many of his day, concluded to emigrate to the "Far West" as this section was then styled. So in 1785 (from old deeds I think it was later than this-maybe 1788) he set out with his family for Kentucky, a region then being wrested from the savages by Daniel Boone and his heroic companions. After a tedious trip they arrived at Silver Creek, a strip of country between the present cities of Lexington and Frankfort (I reside in Woodford Co., KY where this land was and have never seen the name Silver Creek-believe it to be Glen's Creek), where he erected a cabin and subsquently built a grist-mill on Silver Creek (Glen's Creek), which was run by water power. He operated this mill many years (actually he was only here from about 1788-1810/11). Owing to a defective land title in Kentucky he lost a farm of 600 acres on which this mill was located. He came to Indiana Territory in 1811, settling in the big timber about two miles east of present Owensville (this later became Knox Co., then Gibson Co.). He cleared a small patch of ground, built a log cabin and subsequently built a better house in which he later died. While in Kentucky he, through exposure, lost the use of his legs, but with his great energy, he would chop and clear the brush around his cabin for hours while sitting in a chair. The following incident shows his pluck: During the Indian trouble of about that time his family all went to Fort Branch for protection, where there was then a strong block-house erected for the settlers. This plucky old pioneer would not go to the fort, but insisted on remaining or staying at home in his own cabin to take care of things. The Indians frequently came to his place and would stroll into his cabin and, while the old man was sitting in his chair, fearless of danger, the wild savages would walk around him, frequently parring him on the head, and in their rude fashion, complimented him on his bravery. It is one of the peculiarities of the Indian character to admire bravery in those whom they regard as their foes. His last and third wife survived him a few years. By his last marriage he had three children, Nancy, who married Mr. (William) TEEL, and Hetty(or Hella) who became the wife of Harrison McGARY. Both TEEL and McGARY were old and prominent settlers in that part of the county and many of their descendants live here yet. The only son by the last marriage was William GUDGEL, father of the late Andrew GUDGEL of Columbia township. ************************************************************************ Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:08:33 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: [Fwd: CD for Indiana GLO records? -Reply] Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:53:06 -0700 From: GLO Records To: dianeh@corecom.net Subject: CD for Indiana GLO records? -Reply Thanks for your interest in the GLO records. The CD for Indiana is not ready yet. Our plans are to have it issue sometime later this year. We are also working on an internet site that allows access to all automated records. The site should be up this summer. Please check our website for the announcement. www-a.blm.gov/eso/pages/glo.html Thank you >>> Dianne 03/18/98 01:50pm >>> If I understand it correctly, you may now have a CD listing the early federal land records for Indiana beginning in about 1780s? If so please advise how I acquire this or if it searchable on the web. Thank you. Dianne Holmes, Anchorage PS Are such CDs available at other BLM state offices? Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:53:52 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Census Record: Marvin GUDGEL 1870 Wayne Co., Iowa Recently came across this census record. Does anyone know who this family is? 1870 Census Wayne Co., Iowa, Wright Twp., P.O. Confidence, pg. 17, Line 37; June 8, 1870 GUDGEL, Marvin (or Marion?), age 36, M/W Farmer Real Estate $800, Personal Property $400., born Indiana, U.S. Citizen, can read, can not write. GUDGEL, Rebecca, age 34, F/W, keeps house, born Ohio " , Marion, age 11, M/W, at home, born Illinois, attends school. Page 18, line 1: " , Marvin, age 8, M/W, at home, born Illinois, attends school. " , Stephen, age 6, M/W, at home, born Illinois, attends school. " , Martha, age 3, F/W, at home " , Mary, 2 weeks old, F/W, at home, born Iowa in May. Thanks, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:59:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: other's searching similar names & Frederick Here's some email for reference that came from various genealogy mail lists. Thanks Penny... Hadn't heard of "Gogol" before. Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:59:24 -0800 From: michael_witherspoon@yahoo.com To: SURNAMES-M@bl-30.rootsweb.com, SURNAMES-GERMAN-M@bl-30.rootsweb.com Subject: GOTTSCHALK,Fredrick; DEU; 1701 Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.surnames.german,soc.genealogy.surnames.global Resent-From: SURNAMES-M@rootsweb.com GOTTSCHALK,Fredrick; DEU; 1701 Looking for information on Fredrick Gottschalk immigrated from Germany to America, believed Pennsylvania. Wife Anna Marie. Son, Andrew (later changed his name to Gudgel). Love to hear from anyone that may have info. Thanks.. Michael Witherspoon michael_witherspoon@yahoo.com http;//home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mwitherspo/ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:08:40 -0800 From: Lyle To: ROLL-CALL-L@rootsweb.com The names I am researching are. Coagley / Fishburn / Getchell / Jefferson / Larkin /Lowden /MaGlaughlin/ McKeone /McQuiston / Meck / Mellinger / Richards / Snyder /Trindle / Ward / Weiss Areas.....Llewellyn, Scranton, Philadelphia, Pottsville, Mahanoy City, Hazelton, Blackwood Ringtownand Northumberland. Luzerne and Schuylkill County All in Penna. The Larkin, Getchell & McKeone families are from Phila, NH and Canada Date: 19 Mar 1998 00:15:30 GMT From: Hardy9123 Subject: Gogol seek ancesters. My Family from Duisburg Hamborn Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:44:31 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: L.W. Gudgel-Princeton, IN Good morning! I have an earnest plea....Does anyone have a copy of a letter written in the mid 1800's from L.W. (Levin Wilson) GUDGEL, Atty. in Princeton, Gibson Co., IN to Reuben GUDGEL, Atty. in which he is discussing the GUDGEL families and their migrations? I am still looking for it. Think I must have put it with something else I was working on at the time. It's the only copy I've seen and I know it's here somewhere! I hope to hear something from you other guys-even if it's "I'm too busy right now". Let us know you are here.....beginning to feel like I'm the only one on here lately :) We would all like to hear your stories and about your research. Everyone is important to this list. Nuff' said. Linda GUDGEL FINNELL from rainy and close to spring, Kentucky Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:58:36 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Clarence GUDGEL-1948-1949 Fayette Co., KY I have a note taped to my computer desk that I have left there for some time hoping to discover who it is. >From Polk's Lexington (Kentucky) City Directory 1948-49: Clarence G. GUDGEL (wife, Grace H.), manager of 7th Street Market. Resides at 657 Jackson St., Lexington, KY. Does anyone know of a Clarence GUDGEL and wife Grace? Maybe they went West later on and could be a cousin, etc.??? Linda From: NancykDing Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:32:03 EST Subject: GUDGEL Hello, I've been reading with interest all the information that you have been putting out on the Gudgel families. I am a descendent of Daniel & Rachel [Gause] Gudgel & then their son Stephen. Has it been determined if Daniel is a son of Andrew? Nancy Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:11:22 -0900 From: Dianne To: lfinnell Subject: Re: Census Record: Marvin GUDGEL 1870 Wayne Co., Iowa Can each of you provide information on various census records that each of you many have looked at for Gudgels--in ANY state and ANY date? It would be nice to compile it all so we don't have to reinvent the wheel each time. Dianne Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:04:26 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: [Fwd: On-Line Access to GLO Records] Sounds like this added information on old Gov land patent records is a good deal for those of us far from such sources. Dianne Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:18:49 -0700 From: Michele Willingham To: dianeh@corecom.net Cc: capplega@sc.blm.gov, jgegen@sc.blm.gov, tlewis@sc.blm.gov Subject: On-Line Access to GLO Records Hi Dianne, We received your message dated March 18, 1998. GLO records for the State of Indiana are not available on-line at this time. However, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Ohio, Wisconsin and Indiana are expected to be on-line by mid-summer. Once the records are on-line, users will have access to the GLO land patents issued prior to 1908 via the internet. Currently CD-ROMs containing GLO data are available for Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Ohio and Wisconsin, through the Government Printing Office (GPO) for $15 or less. For Electronic Products Provided by GPO, see their website at http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/sale/sale334.html. A patent request can be submitted by fax (703-440-1609) or by mail (7450 Boston Blvd, Springfield, Virginia 22153). Include the patentee's first and last name, date of patent, and any additional information to help with the research. For example, if the name John Smith was given, we may have several patents for John Smith. If a year was provided, this could eliminate several names from the listing. Be sure you provide your name, address and daytime phone number so we can contact you if we have questions about your request. For additional information about research, fees, and other query information, please see our website at http://www-a.blm.gov/eso/pages/glo.html, or call us at (703) 440-1600. Thank you- Michele Willingham Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:33:54 -0800 From: "Kim Gudgel" To: "Linda Finnell" Subject: John Franklin Gudgel This is my first actual communication to the family group. I seem to have been reaping the rewards of everyone else's efforts, so perhaps this may be of some help and help clarify where we fall in this magnificent chain. Yesterday you hit a nerve when you were discussing my Great Grandfather JOHN FRANKLIN GUDGEL. Here is a brief record that was passed on to me from my Father, I think it may be of interest. This came to me written as a letter addressed to my aunt Gladysruth Gudgel (Hanmer) by Levin Wilson Gudgel in 1921. I have more, but thought I would start with this and then scan in more letters if possible. To Gladysruth: ANDREW GUDSHALL b. Germany 1727 came to province of Penn. Married three times and by the first two wives had two families, most of them boys. Later he married Elizabeth Pain with whom he had his last three children: NANCY who married William Teel. HETTIE who married Robert McGray. WILLIAM b. 1801 in Kentucky and died in January 1877 and was buried on the old Gudgel farm. ANDREW moved to and setted on the farm in November 1811. It comes to us that he crossed the Ohio River on the day of the battle of Tippecanuoe, Indiana was fought and in which General Harrison defeated the Indians under Tecumseh. WILLIAM GUDSHALL was married in Gibson County Indiana Feb. 12, 1824 to LUCY THURMAN. They had twelve children. The following is a copy of the original family record. ANDREW GUDSHALL b. February 19, 1825 HENRY SARAH MARTHA JOHN NANCY CARALINE JACOB ABRAHAM EDWARD HARRIETT NICHOLAS ANDREW GUDSHALL (GUDGEL) as shown by Records of Gibson County Indiana. Was married to ELVINA WALLACE on 29 August 1846. By this marriage there were born Eight children: WILLIAM HENRY GUDGEL b. 18 July 1847 *JOHN FRANKLIN GUDGEL b. 29 Jan 1849 (My Great GF) LUCY FRANCES MARTHA JANE LEVIN WILSON GUDGEL GEORGE MARION JAMES EDWARD ELEANORA JOHN FRANKLIN GUDGEL was married to CYNTHIA ANNA BALDWIN at the General Baptist Church in Oakland City Indiana, 11 April 1875. By this marriage there were born five children: CLARETTA b. / d. 6 August 1876 HARRY B. b. 7 Oct 1877 JESSE ANDREW b. 5 Sept 1879 WILLARD WILLIAM b. 8 June 1881 * EVERETT DALE GUDGEL b. 31 may 1885 (My Grandfather) RUTH b. 27 August 1887 EVERETT DALE GUDGEL was married to ALICE L. FOLGER on 2 November 1905. By this marriage there were born three children: GLADYSRUTH b. 4 March 1907 STEWART FRANKLIN GUDGEL b. 6 February 1909 EVERETT DALE GUDGEL, Jr. b. 2 August 1917 (My Father) From the above you can see that the genealogy of Gladys Ruth is carried back six generations to her Great Great Great Grand Father and Mother Andrew Gudshall and Elizabeth Pain Gudshall. July 23, 1921 Oakland City, Indiana by Levin Wilson Gudgel I hope this is of some value to our Cyper Cousins, more to come. Kim Phelps Gudgel (Gudshall or what ever) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:32:46 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Daniel GUDGEL and Nancy GAUSE Nancy has asked me if we have documented the fact that Daniel GUDGEL is in fact the son of Andrew GUDGEL. From all probability the answer is "yes", however, to say it is documented I will answer "no". Nancy, we are so close to proving it. I invite you and any others to tell us what you know about Daniel. Somewhere, someone has the answer. I have watched the Jefferson Co., IN GenWeb page queries hoping someone would be looking for Daniel or his wife, Rachel GAUSE's family. Jefferson Co. doesn't have a lot of databases, etc. and queries are about the only thing I have had to work with. I, myself, would be interested in anything you have to say about Daniel. I believe Rachel's family was also a close neighbor of Andrew's (according to the Fayette Co. map I have). Charles GAUSE's farm is close to our Andrew's. Daniel came to KY with Andrew but later I believe he went back to PA for about 10-15 years before returning and settling in Jefferson Co., IN where he died. I'm open to all comments on Daniel GUDGEL and Rachel GAUSE. Linda Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Just a note about searching the archive After Nancy posted about Daniel and Rachel, I went into the Gudgel-list archive and searched for "rachel" and "daniel", and found a few references. I just wanted to point out that, if you want to know about something that was posted in the mail list, but don't want to go through all your individual email articles, you can go to the Gudgel web site, bring up the Gudgel-list archive, (or your own archive of the list), and search for text. I've found that it's real convenient. Let the computer do some work, too. Bob Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:47:02 -0900 From: Dianne To: NancykDing Subject: Re: Daniel GUDGEL Can we determine if perhaps Daniel was a brother, nephew, or uncle of Andrew either? How do the ages match up, although that doesn't really tell us too much if Daniel happened to be an uncle or nephew. There seems to be a separation in the lands of Daniel and Andrew in Fayette Co -- they weren't next to each other, and the fact that Daniel went back to Penn after going to Ky and didn't go to Ind for several after Andrew was there. And when he did go, it wasn't to the same county was it? I think one answer to the Daniel question may lay in searching the Gov Land Office records. Indiana land in those days might have been bought directly from the federal gov and if so, then there is likely a great deal of information in the file. But it takes going directly to the source to open the old file. I do not know if one of the copies of that file is still held in Indiana somewhere. One file was to be kept in the local area, but who knows if it is still there. Note my e-mail forwarded from the GLO/BLM a few days ago about their records. Anyone care to look in Ind for a better legal address of Daniel (and Andrew's land?) plus see if the local copy of the records is still there? Or, anyone going to D.C. in the near future? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:00:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Daniel When you say Daniel, do you mean this one?: Daniel Gudgel born 1755 died 1821 in Jefferson Co., IN at age 66. I have him down as Old Andrews son. The dates look good for that. Bob Gudgel Seattle From: NancykDing Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:46:14 EST Subject: GUDGEL. Daniel Hello, The following is what I have on Daniel GUDGEL. Terry Montigny has been able to add more on his children. As far as I know, she isn't sure of Daniels relationship to Andrew either. Daniel Gudgell would be my 4th great grandfather. The following information that I have on Daniel Gudgell is copied from History and Genealogy of The Harlan Family 1687" Compiled by Alpheous H. Harlan p. 306 . Sarah Phillips, b. 3,31,1786 in Chester Co.,PA; removed with her parents to Brownsville, Fayette Co., PA, where she m. 9,7,1808, Stephen Gudgell [farmer], b. 12,4,1787, in that state; a son of Daniel GUDGELL [blacksmith] and Rachel Gause, of Fayette Co., PA. In 1814 the family removed to Jefferson Co., IN, and in 1856 to Bureau Co., IL, where Stephen d. 9,14,1870, at Tiskilwa, and Sarah at same place, 5,11,1879; both were bur. there. Issue; Mary P., b. 1,20,1810 at Brownsville, Fayette Co., PA; m. Jacob Bowman, 5,21, 1831 James H., b. 11,15,1811, same, m. Elizabeth Harner, 4 Mo.,1832; residence,1892, Adel, IA Thornton B., b. 8,20,1819, in Jefferson Co., IN; d. 7,22,1676, at Philadelphia, PA; m. Sarah Huges Items from early newspapers 1817-1886 Jefferson Co., IN May 28 1879 - Died, Mrs Sarah Gudgel, age 93 yrs. at home of son-in-law, Jacob Bowman in Lombardsville, IL, on the 11th. I haven't been able to get beyond Daniel. I did this research many years ago & wrote many letters. The following was a reply:{I don't have a copy of the will] WILLS of Jefferson Co., IN 1853 - 1884 Gudgel, Daniel A-335. 1819 Beloved wife Rachel - all my estate - after her death to my son DANIEL, son Nathaniel 70 acres - other sons Stephen, Isaac & Malon. Two daus. but names not mentioned. Wife to be exec. Wittnesses: Samuel James & Robert McKinney. MARRIAGE RECORDS: Jefferson Co., IN 1811 - 1873 Gudgel, Thornton B. Sarah Huges 3-7-1844 W.C. Anderson Minister Gudgel, Thornton B. Eliz. H. Clark 6-3-1852 Gam Taylor Minister CEMETERY RECORDS: Jefferson Co., IN Saluda Twp. Marling Cemetery Gudgel, Sarah d. 1-14-1850 in 33rd yr. Gudgel, Eliz. H. d. 10-21-1854 in 35th yr. w.of Thornton B. Gudgel Gudgel, Stephen d. 8-10-1847 Age 1 yr. s. of T. & S. Gudgel Some Gudgels living in Jefferson Co., IN in 1850 Abram Gudgel pg 179 Saluda Twp Stephen Gudgel 179 Saluda Twp John Gudgell 251 Graham Twp Mary J. Gudgell 179 Saluda Twp Henry Gudgill 254 Graham Twp Do any of you know where these Gudgel's belong? I received this from the "Vigo Co., Public Library" one Library Square, Terre Haute IN 47807 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:34:17 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: DANIEL GUDGEL and RACHEL GAUSE Thanks to everyone who added info. on Daniel GUDGEL and Rachel GAUSE. I will look up some notes I have later tonight but I was under the impression that when Daniel and Rachel left KY and went back to PA for 10 or 15 years and then returned to IN that it was because of her father. Seems he passed away while they were back in Fayette Co., PA and then after they property was disposed of Rachel and Daniel came back South to Indiana. Rachel GAUSE's father was Charles GAUSE and his land was located at the southern tip of Andrew's farm, PEACEABLE. Charles GAUSE's farm is on the same map I have of Andrew's farm and it was called "Gause Cop" or "Gouse Cap". (Warrant dated Feb. 25, 1785. Surveyed Jan 26, 1787. Patented Dec. 24, 1793 to Warrantee). Nancy, I will look up the other names you listed in Jefferson Co., IN. I feel sure I can placesome of them. Later, Linda Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:20:14 -0900 From: Dianne To: NancykDing Subject: Re: GUDGEL. Daniel Did most of you receive the nice write up that Terri Montigny did last yr some time on the Gause/Goss family as she understood it plus Daniel Gudgel? She cites some good sources and lays things out nicely. Do we know about any of the descendents of any of Rachel and Daniel G's sons? We assume that they had children, grandchildren etc. Perhaps by contacting as many of the descendents of Daniel, we might find out more of his personal history. Dianne Holmes Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:40:17 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Re: Gudgel family connection >From: MRodland >Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:01:15 EST >To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net >Subject: Re: Gudgel family connection > >Hi Linda - The Harper-Gudgel marriage was in Bath Co KY - Daniel Harper >(b:1827 married Sarah Gudgel (b:1829) on 14 Sep 1846 in Bath County. >Daniel's father was John Harper of Bath Co and there were 9 children in the >family. Daniel was sheriff of his district mid 1850s. Harper family were >Masons. Also noted a Rev. Joseph P. Gudgel was a minister there...but >couldn't locate the reference tonight. Have several files on this family, but >not sure if they are who you are looking for. If you need something from >census let me know as we are going to the Archives the first week of April. >Will be glad to look anything up. Margaret > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:18:36 -0900 From: Dianne To: lfinnell Subject: Re: Old Andrew's last wife Has anyone thought of trying to find out more about Old A's third wife, Eliz Payne/Hane/Kane? Did someone say that Eliz might have been a widow and that her maiden name might have been Paul? What resources are available for that time period in KY or nearby to check this out? Perhaps we can look for a death record for Mr. Kane/Payne/Hane? Dianne G-H Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:09:04 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: ELIZABETH PAYNE GUDGEL In answer to Diane's question about Elizabeth PAYNE GUDGEL.... I have recently gotten a reply to a letter sent to the Princeton Libray in Gibson Co. No will was recorded for Elizabeth, wife of Andrew GUDGEL, which is not uncommon for women in that time period. I have also tried to find something about her PAYNE children by her previous marriage. I have found marr. records of two PAYNE's (a boy and a girl) that took place a few years after the family moved to Gibson Co., IN and want to check those out. Elizabeth PAYNE GUDGEL is a mystery to me. I have tried the PAUL/PAWL name also..no luck. I am taking the day off Friday (Yeah!) for a research day and going to the State Historical Society in Frankfort. Maybe I will find something there. Mr. Pope seems to think that Elizabeth may have come from PA also at some point. With all the movement West in those days she could have come from anywhere. I have even been subscribed to a PAYNE mail list for about 6 months and had no luck there. I really don't know where else to look unless something tuns up on the PAYNE children's marriages. If anyone has any ideas I am open to suggestions. Thanks, Linda-from rainy and spring-like Kentucky (home of the WILDCAT basketball and hopefully soon to be NCAA champs!) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:41:58 -0900 From: Dianne To: lfinnell Subject: Re: ELIZABETH PAYNE/Hane/Kane GUDGEL Do we even know for sure WHAT her last name was. We have seen so many spellings of it. Dianne Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:26:58 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: lfinnell Subject: Re: Gudgel family connection lfinnell wrote: > >From: MRodland > >Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:01:15 EST > >To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net > >Subject: Re: Gudgel family connection > > > >Hi Linda - The Harper-Gudgel marriage was in Bath Co KY - Daniel Harper > >(b:1827 married Sarah Gudgel (b:1829) on 14 Sep 1846 in Bath County. > >Daniel's father was John Harper of Bath Co and there were 9 children in the > >family. Daniel was sheriff of his district mid 1850s. Harper family were > >Masons. Also noted a Rev. Joseph P. Gudgel was a minister there...but > >couldn't locate the reference tonight. Have several files on this family, but > >not sure if they are who you are looking for. If you need something from > >census let me know as we are going to the Archives the first week of April. > >Will be glad to look anything up. Margaret > > > I dont know if there is to be a Gudgel-Sevedge reunion this year in Chowchilla California but you can contact Gail Mcauley 3945 Moultrie Dr., Stoctron CA. 95219. 209 478 9465. FAX 209 957 7091 and ask. They hold them every other year. Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:10:00 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Elizabeth PAYN(E) GUDGEL In answer to DIane's question about Andrew GUDGEL's 3rd wife's name: I have seen the original marriage bond recorded right here in Woodford Co., KY and it says: Betsy PAYN The tombstone says Elizabeth GUDGEL. So I refer to her as Elizabeth "Betsy" PAYN(E). For what it's worth...now you have it! :) Linda Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:00:22 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Good News on GUDGEL research! Hi to everyone! I took a day off today and went with a friend to the Kentucky Historical Society for a research day...and didn't have to rush! It has been very rewarding and well deserved. I don't get to do this as often as I'd like and as usual they had to run us out at closing time! On our way into downtown Frankfort we got a good look at the new Kentucky History Center. It is huge and if you get the chance and are going to be in the area you must stop and visit. Not sure of the opening date but I can hardly wait. The following letter was in the GUDGEL family file and I know I have looked in this file on every trip I've made to the state historical society and have seen other correspondence from this lady, but I had never seen this particular piece mentioning Andrew's third wife, Elizabeth Jane PAUL. I had "heard" that her maiden name may have been PAUL (but had never seen it for myself) and knew the marriage bond says Betsy PAYN. Legend also says she was a widow with young children (by a PAYN(E)?). From the gravemarkers in Gibson Co., IN we know at this marriage she was 30 and Andrew was 66 years old--so apparently that was right. The correspondence that follows was written by Mrs. O.F. Weissgerber of Chula Vista, CA in 1949. She was researching the Andrew GUDGEL family and worked for an historical library in CA (will look up the name later if anyone needs that info.) and corresponded with a Miss Hardin at the Kentucky Historical Society for several years. Mrs. Weissgerber was a descendant of Hannah GUDGEL. I wrote to the library in CA several years ago and asked if there was anything on file there that she may have left or if they knew the whereabouts of her research notes....they responded that they had no GUDGEL file and had no idea where her private research ended up. Following are 2 pieces of her correspondence I found today: Item #1: No date. Typed in 1/4 sheet of paper. File under GUDGELL. Oh, by the way, I have found so much more about the GUDGEL family. Your problems were so scattered but just to let you know that Andrew came to Philadelphia when about nine years of age with his father and mother, Frederick and Anna Mary GOTTSCHALK before 1734 as he was on record for quit-rent in Franconia county that year. And Andrew figured in some of his records as he must have married quite young. Also they were Mennonites and noncombatant which would mean he did not carry a gun in the Revolution but without a doubt he was a Patriot and did his bit that way. But no record of him. They lived on Tohickon Creek and there is a record of two of the children of this Frederick and Anna Mary GOTTSCHALK. Also of Andrew GOTTSCHALK and his wife, Catharine Elizabeth. The mother of my Hannah is not given. If we keep at these probelms some time they will be solved. Mrs. O.F. Weissgerber, 247 Kimball Terrance, Chula Vista, CA. Item #2: Chula Vista, Calif., Feb. 10th, 1949 My Dear Miss. Hardin:- Yours received; that's all right and just to help Billy, some time when you are writing, send him these. I am not very enthusiastic about the stamp collecting but my brother loves it so I atarted in. At Xmas I put all these nice stamps on my envelopes and it was the best looking part of my letters and cards. Many asked me where I got them but I did buy heaps during this awful rush of commemoratives. So I gladly have some for Billy. I have demanded so much attention from you on my GUDGELL line and felt guilty about all the postage you had to use on me. But I did appreciate all you have done and was just trying to help out. But if the man next door loved them he was welcome. After they got in your hands, I did not care what you did with them. But you have me curious about that Wash. stamp. I'll never be content until I make that trip to Frankfort to hear your story. Now if anybody down your way has any Confederate stamps, I'd like some. Wonder if I have something I could trade for at least one or two. I have a friend who has boasted to me she beat me to it and has just one Confederate stamp so I too must have one. You have my card by now telling you the search for Hannah's Dad is over. Now I have written Harrisburg, Penna. to see if they can give me his service. The Gibson Co., Ind. History states he was in the Rev. War. As long as I know who he is, I have something to work on. These people in Bath County who are going to send me the old letters and some interesting writings about Andrew GUDGELL, probably will have the answer therein. I sent my letter air mail and can hardly wait to see what I am to get. There were many Andrew GUDGELL's marriage in the data you have sent me and that of Mrs. Congleton so I have made a chart. Do not know who belongs to who. But this Andrew was married three times and Mrs. Lacy states she knew only of the third wife, Elizabeth Jane PAUL, who went with him to Gibson County. My letter to Princeton, Gibson County seat of Ind. has never been answered and I enclosed a dollar bill. That is lost, of course probably to some clerk who did not want to take the thime to look it up although I stated, this was only a retainer and the bal. would be forth coming when I was notified of the cost of the will. I took all the Bath County GUDGELL's you have copied for me and put them on my work sheet and probably the Lacy data will solve the entire problem for me. The D.A.R. in Indiana wants to mark his grave if he was buried there. Thanks again. Always, Mrs. O.F. Weissgerber 347 Kimball Terrace Chula Vista, Calif. ************************************************************************ Comments? >From Linda Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:23:46 -0500 From: Stacey Gudgel Subject: Hello! Hi Gudgel's! Just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself. My name is Stacey Gudgel (soon to be Stacey Garcia). I was told of your sight by my Aunt Linda Gudgel Finnell. Unlike my Aunt, I don't really know a whole lot about the Gudgel family, but I find it very interesting to know that there are so many of us out there. I live in Massachusetts and work for my Dad, Sam Gudgel (whose business E-Mail is www.r-t-s.com. I would be very happy to receive E-mail from any of the Gudgel family to find out a little more about you all. Please feel free to "chat" anytime at www.staceyg@bicnet.net. Hope to hear from you all soon! Bye~ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:48:19 -0900 From: Dianne To: lfinnell Subject: Re: Mrs Weissgerber Linda,Very interesting that you have found this name among the files. I too have data with this lady's name on it and I can tell you, and perhaps show you the copies that I have if I can find them, that this lady received some of the same information that was dug up by or for Miss Eliz. Maddox in the '20s. I do not know how Maddox's material got into the KY files as she lived in Indiana I believe, didn't she? Apparently Mrs Weissgerber cashed in on some of the same data. It would seem reasonable that Maddox would have tried to contact Gudgel descendents in Ky at some point. I suspect the material that was sent to Weissgerber may have been some of the same things you dug up recently about the old Gudgel land case. Isn't it interesting about Andrew's 3rd wife's name though? Apparently Mrs Weissgerber was looking to join the DAR from the sounds of things. Perhaps we should try asking the DAR if she was accepted in and maybe we could see the files? What do you think? Dianne GH Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:13:48 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: Kentucky Wildcats-'98 NCAA CHAMPS! To all you GUDGEL rooters- How 'bout them CATS! Just have to share my enthusiasm. Lexington is just wild right now. For those who don't know, I live in Woodford Co., which borders Fayette Co., (Lexington). I'm about 8-10 mintues from Lexington. I also have one daughter who received her degree from the University of KY in December and another daughter who is in her Freshman year. So, old Dad and I feel we "own" a little piece of the University of Kentucky :) Hope all of you were rooting for the CATS! Linda Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:43:03 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: DANIEL WOODFIELD & ELIZABETH GUDGEL -1792 INDENTURE While digging though some of my stacks I found something of interest I thought some of you may be interested in. This is an Indenture I found at the local Woodford County Court House some time ago. It is a document conveying land belonging to Daniel and Elizabeth GUDGEL WOODFIELD to Jeremiah HIFIELD. ************************************************************************ Woodford Co., Kentucky Deed Book B, pages 100 & 101. THIS INDENTURE made this third day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred ninety two Between Daniel WOODFIELD and Elizabeth, his wife of the County of Woodford and District of Kentucky of the one part, and Jeremiah HIFIELD of the County and District aforesaid of the Other part Witnefseth, that for and in consideration of the sum of twenty five pounds Current money of Virginia by the said Jeremiah HIFIELD to the said Daniel WOODFIELD in hand paid the receipt whereof is hereby fully Acknowledged, have hereby Granted Bargained and Sold one Certain Tract or Parcel of Land Situate laying and being in the County of Woodford and on the waters of Glens Creek and bounded as follows To Wit Beginning at an ash and Dogwood Corner to _____ _____ running thnce with his line South eighty nine Degrees East seventy five and one half poles to two Sugartrees Thence North one hundred and two poles to a White Walnut and Black ash thence West seventy five and a half poles to a White Oak and hoopwood thence South one hundred and one poles to the Beginning- Containing by Survey Fifty acres by the same more or less. To Have and to Hold the said Tract or parcel of Land with all the appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise Pertaining thereto to the said Jeremiah HIFIELD and his heirs and afsigns forever and the said Daniel WOODFIELD for himself and his heirs doth Covenant and agree to and with the said Jeremiah HIFIELD that he the said Daniel WOODFIELD will Warrant and by these ______ forever ______ the right and title of the said Tract or Parcl of Land to the said Jeremiah HIFIELD and his heirs and afsigns forever against all and every person or persons Claiming by from or under us, In WITNEFS whereof we have set our hands and Seals the day and year above mentioned. Signed sealed & Delivered Daniel WOODFIELD {Seal} in the Presence of us Elizabeth WOODFIELD {Seal} Thomas SULLENGER John JARVIS William SNELLING Woodford County Sct. April Court, 1792 This Indenture of bargain and sale was produced in Court Acknowledged by Daniel WOODFIELD and Elizabeth, his wife, being first (jointly?) examined as the Law directs Voluntarily relinquished her right of Dower in the Lands conveyed by this Indenture which is Ordered to be Recorded. Teste: Case JOHNSON, CC ************************************************************************ Note: Is it no wonder that land disputes arose over property lines as time wnet on....those old walnut, ash and sugartrees eventually died and maybe that's when they decided those beautiful old rock fences would be around long after the owners were gone. There are still many of the old rock fences around Kentucky but they are fast beginning to disappear and crumble. The construction of rock fencing has become a "lost art". For those few who can still ply their trade they are very much sought after in any area. Linda Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:50:02 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL LIST- ROLL CALL Since we probably have some new subscribers to the list since it first began it might be a good idea to have a Roll Call. Just send a message to the list telling who you are and what lines of GUDGEL you are interested in. Good chance someone one out there is just waiting to hear from you. Okay, let's go!!!!!!!!!!!!! Linda Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:57:56 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: ROLL CALL Linda GUDGEL FINNELL >From Anderson Co., KY. Now residing in Woodford Co., KY. Age...well, lets say I'm too young for medicare and too old for men to care :) Actually, b. 1949, dau. of Norman and Marie PEFFER GUDGEL. Two full brothers, Sam and Windy. One half-brother, Norm. Married 29+ years to Gary and have two daughters, Carrie and Gina. Have been researching GUDGEL actively about 10 years but have always had an interest. My line of descent is as follows: Frederick, Andrew, Jacob, Elijah, Jacob, Allie, Samuel, Norman and myself. Would love to hear from any of you who are interested. Linda >From Kentucky-Home of 1998 NCAA Champs and the Kentucky Derby. Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:30:54 -0900 From: Dianne To: lfinnell Subject: Re: DANIEL WOODFIELD & ELIZABETH GUDGEL -1792 INDENTURE Nice, Linda. I am not sure that I ever saw this document before. Tell us again for those who don't have a tract record of past e-mails (maybe Daniela can do this) how Eliz Gudgel Woodfill is related to Old Andrew. Dianne G-H Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:00:39 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: ELIZABETH GUDGEL WOODFIELD 1763-1843 Yesterday I submitted an Indenture between Daniel WOODFIELD and Elizabeth GUDGEL WOODFIELD, his wife , to Jeremiah HIFIELD in Woodford Co., KY. Sorry folks, I should have been a little more detailed about who Elizabeth was. Elizabeth GUDGEL WOODFIELD (1763-1843) was a daughter of Andrew GUDGEL and wife #1 or #2. Haven't determined which yet but other sources say her mother was Barbary HOCH (wife #2). Elizabeth married Daniel WOODFIELD Nov. 1, 1779 in S.W. Pennsylvania. Daniel was a Methodist minister and he and Elizabeth came to KY before 1800. Not sure if they came with her father Andrew, who came about 1788. Elizabeth and Daniel first came to Henry Co., KY where they appear on the 1800 Tax List. Later they were in Woodford Co., KY where her father was, and eventually they settled in Madison, Jefferson Co., IN. Children: Mary, b. July 31, 1780 PA John, b. Nov. 30, 1781 PA-marr. Jane MITCHELL Sarah, b. Oct. 12, 1783 PA Andrew, b. Oct. 23, 1785 PA-marr. Mary Sebourn RYKER Elizabeth, b. Aug. 23, 1790-marr. Peter VANCLEAVE Daniel, b. Sept. 17, 1792 Gabriel, b. Oct. 28, 1794 Catherine, b. Mar. 1, 1797 William, b. Mar. 21, 1806 Henry Co., KY Daniel and Elizabeth lived in Madison, Jefferson Co., IN for the remainder of their lives and most of the children apparently stayed in the area also. There is a WOODFIELD Cemetery in Jefferson Co. where a lot of WOODFIELD's are buried. Does anyone know for sure which WOODFIELD's are buried in Jefferson Co., IN and if, in fact, Daniel and Elizabeth are buried in the WOODFIELD cemetery? Thanks, Linda Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:23:31 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: JACOB GUDGEL AND MARY JANE WITHERSPOON Thank you Debbie for answering the Roll Call. I wasn't aware you were a subscriber but I'm glad to meet you! Two things: Your question re: GETCHELL/REDDOUT marriage- REDDOUT isn't a name I'm familiar with and I have not seen any of the lines in the area of Maine. But the name GETCHELL is definitely a variation of the surname GUDGEL. I have seen this variation several times so keep an eye out for it. You mentioned your line of descent through Jacob GUDGEL, son of William GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN. I have a little info. on this line but would like to know more if you have it. I don't have a Charles Henry GUDGEL as a child of Jacob, so please share with us. I have: Jacob GUDGEL, b. ca. 1833 in Indiana (from 1850 Federal Census Gibson Co., IN), married Mary Jane WITHERSPOON (where/when?). Census lists Jacob as a Farmer. Children: Willaim Edward Tully Nancy Allen Fedora Cherees (?) Lucy Ethel Fredrick Notes on this family: (Can't remember who told me this!-must do better):) There is a family of GUDGEL's in Santa Cruz, CA who are descended from Jacob. Jacob left IN where his father lived. The mother of this man in Santa Cruz lived in Seattle and in 1955 and uncle of this man was in Santa Cruz and was a doctor, reaching old age in Phoenix, AZ. As an adult went to Kansas. Now, so much for my notes! I think it means that Jacob went to Kansas as an adult. So how about Diane GUDGEL HOLMES and her Dad, Doyal (a/k/a Ralph), does the location of Seattle ring any bells with you on this family? Debbie, can you help us out on this line? Also, thanks for the encouragement about keeping the info. going. Somethimes I feel like no one is even reading it. Linda- from Kentucky-Thoroughbred capital of the world! Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Elizabeth -- daughter/wife? Linda, do you mean that Elizabeth was "Mr. Woodfield's" 1st or 2nd wife? Bob >Elizabeth GUDGEL WOODFIELD (1763-1843) was a daughter of Andrew GUDGEL >and wife #1 or #2. Haven't determined which yet but other sources say >her mother was Barbary HOCH (wife #2). Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:19:43 -0500 (EST) From: lfinnell Subject: ELIZABETH GUDGEL WOODFIELD Elizabeth GUDGEL WOODFIELD was the ONLY wife of Daniel WOODFIELD that aI have ever found. Sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier message. Elizabeth's mother is unknown but said to be Barbara/Barbaray HOCH GUDGEL, second wife of Andrew GUDGEL, our immigrant ancestor. Hope that helps. Linda Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:25:17 -0500 (EST) To: Shellygen From: lfinnell Subject: Re: Gudgel Roll Call Shelly- Thanks for answering the Roll Call! I have still not found anything on this GUDGEL/QUIGLEY line for you :( Have you tried to obtain a death certificate or since Lawrence died in 1966 maybe you could try the Social Security records? Those records could tell you where he died for sure and maybe that would lead to finding a Will (if he had one) which could name daughter, Barbara, and perhaps a spouse as an heir. Might be worth a try. Linda At 09:24 PM 4/4/98 EST, you wrote: >Looking for Barbara Quigley Gudgel, daughter of Lawrence Quigley, probably of >Orange NJ or NY. His dates were 1898-1966. Gudgel was Barbara's married >name, and I do not know her husband's name or anything else about her at all. >Any help appreciated! Thanks, and would you please reply to >RDooley868@AOL.com >Shelly > > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:05:07 -0500 (EST) To: Kyroots@lsv.uky.edu From: lfinnell Subject: THACKER/GUDGEL, CAMPBELL CO., KY I have run across a Family Group Sheet in the GUDGEL Family File at the Kentucky Historical Society recently and would like to know who this family is. Husband: Albia THACKER b. 1882 KY, d. 1908 Covington, Kenton Co., KY Wife: Myra GUDGEL. Married 1903 Campbell Co., KY by M.F. Donelan, J.P. They resided at 11th and Greenup in Covington, Kenton Co., KY at Albia's death in 1908. Cause of death: Scarlet Fever. Does anyone know who this family is? Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:44:19 -0800 From: Dianne To: lfinnell CC: Shellygen , Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: social security records on line The social security death records in part, are on-line and can be very helpful for any reseacher. Check your search engines under genealogy. I understand that for $15 or so more data can be obtained, although I can not recall the process off hand. I last saw that notice when visiting my local Morman family history library. Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:49:46 -0800 From: Dianne To: lfinnell Subject: Re: JACOB GUDGEL/Getchell? and WITHERSPOON Debbie, How sure are you that the Jacob Gudgel you seek is a son of Wm Gudgel? There were a few "Jacobs" around. Also I am not sure that I have seen the name spelled Getchell after the early 1800s. It seems to have settled into the current spelling. What about the rest of you? Do you find variant spellings in the mid to later 1800s? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes, Anchorage Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:59:17 -0800 From: Dianne Subject: Re: potential new SW PA research Don't worry Linda, there are many of us who read everything but feel we aren't on top of some things like you are or have the time--at least most of the time to respond. You do it so well and besides you seem to have everything in a database, which I do not. So never fear, we hear you and thanks. Anyway, part in guilt for not being able to respond like I'd like to, I did something yesterday that might help us narrow down some early leads, and even a genealogist in SW PA in hopes I can get some one to search the indexes of particular quarterly journals from the SW PA Genealogical Services group with whom I have been a member for about 15 yrs. They put out some nice journals on several SW PA counties and it is a quick way to search records like court dockets, etc because they publish those in their journals. So even if I have to pay some $ to a library or genealogist, it will be worth it because I can travel there and can't find those journals elsewhere. Perhaps Daniela has already ILLed those journals and searched them? Well, we'll see what comes up. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:54:42 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: GETCHELL/GUDGEL(L) Diane: I think Debbie was just citing that she had found a GETCHELL/REDDOUT name in the state of Maine and was wondering if that could be a variation of the name. Her line of Jacob GUDGEL, son of William GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN is spelled GUDGEL. This Jacob would be the grandson of our old Andrew. Just a thought...if I ever make reference to "old Indian Andrew" that doesn't mean he was Indian, it is just my way of determining which Andrew is being spoken of. Remember the story of how our old Andrew wasn't afraid of the Indians? Also, you have spoken numerous times about your Southern PA Journals. Keep us posted on those and what you find out. And thanks for the compliment. I really don't have as much time as it seems- guess I'm obsessed! :) That's all for now! Linda Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel To: Shellygen@aol.com Subject: Lawrence Quigley and Soc. Security Shelly, Lawrence Quigley (b. Oct. 19th 1898, d. Aug 1966) lived in Seal Beach California according to the Social Security records. His Social security number (136-03-4495) was issued in N.J. I'm also assuming that Barbara Quigley Gudgel is still alive? I didn't see what I thought would be a good record for her, although there were a few Barbara Quigleys in the record too. By the way, you can get the social security CD ROMs also. Ours came with Penny's Family Tree Maker program (several CDs). Program and CDs were about $75 at Costco. Many family lines included on the other CDs Bob Gudgel Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:06:23 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: Re: Gudgel Roll Call >Return-Path: >From: Shellygen >Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:27:48 EDT >To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net >Subject: Re: Gudgel Roll Call > >In a message dated 98-04-04 22:28:00 EST, you write: > ><< Have you tried to obtain a death certificate or since Lawrence died in 1966 > maybe you could try the Social Security records? Those records could tell > you where he died for sure and maybe that would lead to finding a Will (if > he had one) which could name daughter, Barbara, and perhaps a spouse as an > heir. Might be worth a try. >> > >Yes to all of the above -- I have tried all of these!! Thanks for keeping my >query on file. Appreciate your reply. I'll keep at it. >Best, >Shelly > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel To: lfinnell Subject: Thanks Linda re. Quiqley Linda, forgot to give you credit for suggesting to look in the Social security records for Shelley. Now maybe she can get that Death Certificate and continue on with the research. Shelley, keep us posted. Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:41:25 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: Gibson Co., IN Township Diane: The only thing I can tell you is that the land Old Andrew settled on was in Indiana Territory in the early part of 1811, and later it was Knox Co., then becoming Gibson Co. The location was twp miles East of where Owensville is now situated. That's all that I can tell you from this end. At that time the area should not have been densly populated so it may not be that hard to pinpoint. Linda Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: RE: JACOB GUDGEL AND MARY JANE WITHERSPOON >From: "Lane Lance" >To: "lfinnell" >Subject: RE: JACOB GUDGEL AND MARY JANE WITHERSPOON >Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:55:13 -0400 > >Dear Linda, > Let me give you the line as I have it. We have the children of Jacob >Gudgel (b. 13 may 1833 Oakland City, Gibson, Ind., d. 7 Nov 1905, Clay >Center, Clay, KS.) and Mary Jane Witherspoon (b. 14 Jun 1843, Gibson, Ind, >d. 17 Nov 1916 Clay Center), they married 22 Mar. 1861 in Oakland City. >1. William Lemual Gudgel b. 17 Dec 1861( all children were born in Oakland >City, Gibson, Ind.) d. 7 Jun 1902 OK or IND. Married a Christina >2. Edward Gudgel b. abt 1864 d. in Stillwater, Payne, OK. Married Rena >3. Leuella Gudgel b. abt 1866, d. Clay Center, Ks. Married David May >in Apr. 1888 in Clay Center, Clay, KS >4. Nancy Gudgel b. abt 1868, d. Clay Center m. Jesse Jordan >5. Alvin Gudgel b. abt 1870, d. bef 1885 in Oakland City, IND >6. Elnora Gudgel b. abt 1872, d. bef 1961 in Oakland City >7. Theodore Gudgel b. abt 1874 d. in Stillwater, OK, m. Della Walker >8. *Charles Henry Gudgel b. 5 Aug 1876, d. 31 Dec 1951, Stillwater, Payne, >Ok. >9. Francis Jane Gudgel, b. abt. 1878 (twin) >10. Lucinda Bell Gudgel, b. abt 1878 (twin) m. Cyrus Wymore in Apr 1894 in >Clay Center, Clay, KS >11. Ethel Gudgel, b. abt 1880, m. Ralph Achenbach >12. Frederick C. Gudgel, b. abt 1882, d. bef 1961 in Bartlesville, OK, m. >Nellie Morgan > >Charles Henry Gudgel married Grace Alberta Nichols (b. abt 1880, Millington, >Kendall, ILL., d. 1971-1979, Stillwater, Payne, OK) on 20 Jan 1900 >1. (F) Alma Gudgel b. May 1901 Adina, Ks, d. 23 Nov 1917, Stillwater. Payne, >OK >2. Glenn W. Gudgel b. abt 1905, Stillwater >3. *Daniel Jacob Gudgel, b. 3 Feb 1901, Stillwater, d. May 1968, Midland, >Midland, Michigan. > >Daniel Jacob Gudgel married Opal Elva Yancey (b. 4 Oct 1912, Wellston, >McCurtain, OK, d. 13 Sep 1994) in abt. 1930 in Stillwater. >They divorced abt 1935/36 >1. Shirley Jean Gudgel, b. 24 Feb 1932, m. Everett Lewis Baerwaldt 8 Mar >1949 in Lewiston, Mont. (I am their oldest of their 6 children) >2. Barkay Gudgel, 29 Dec 1935, Garden City, KS > >Most of this information is from family records. My mother found some of it >at the LDS family history center and in the Gudgel History found on >microfilm # 1033561 item 17 also available at the family history center. I >do not know what other information is there, but perhaps there is other >information that you can use, if you haven't already used it. Because of the >divorce very little was known about any of the extended Gudgel family. My >mother felt a greater allegiance to her step-father, who raised her, than to >her natural father. It has only been in the last couple of years that we >have begun to do some serious research on our Gudgel lines. Now that we are >researching, I expect things will turn up. Hope this is what you wanted. >Thanks again for all your help and for keeping everyone up to date. >Debbie > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lfinnell [mailto:lfinnell@lex.infi.net] >Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 9:24 PM >To: Gudgel-List@eskimo.com >Subject: JACOB GUDGEL AND MARY JANE WITHERSPOON > >Thank you Debbie for answering the Roll Call. I wasn't aware you were a >subscriber but I'm glad to meet you! > >Two things: > >Your question re: GETCHELL/REDDOUT marriage- >REDDOUT isn't a name I'm familiar with and I have not seen any of the lines >in the area of Maine. But the name GETCHELL is definitely a variation of >the surname GUDGEL. I have seen this variation several times so keep an eye >out for it. > >You mentioned your line of descent through Jacob GUDGEL, son of William >GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN. I have a little info. on this line but would >like to know more if you have it. I don't have a Charles Henry GUDGEL as a >child of Jacob, so please share with us. I have: > >Jacob GUDGEL, b. ca. 1833 in Indiana (from 1850 Federal Census Gibson Co., >IN), >married Mary Jane WITHERSPOON (where/when?). Census lists Jacob as a >Farmer. >Children: >Willaim >Edward >Tully >Nancy >Allen >Fedora >Cherees (?) >Lucy >Ethel >Fredrick > >Notes on this family: (Can't remember who told me this!-must do better):) >There is a family of GUDGEL's in Santa Cruz, CA who are descended from >Jacob. Jacob left IN where his father lived. The mother of this man in >Santa Cruz lived in Seattle and in 1955 and uncle of this man was in Santa >Cruz and was a doctor, reaching old age in Phoenix, AZ. As an adult went to >Kansas. > >Now, so much for my notes! I think it means that Jacob went to Kansas as an >adult. >So how about Diane GUDGEL HOLMES and her Dad, Doyal (a/k/a Ralph), does the >location of Seattle ring any bells with you on this family? > >Debbie, can you help us out on this line? Also, thanks for the >encouragement about keeping the info. going. Somethimes I feel like no one >is even reading it. > >Linda- >from Kentucky-Thoroughbred capital of the world! > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:32:30 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: RE: JACOB GUDGEL AND MARY JANE WITHERSPOON >From: "Lane Lance" >To: "lfinnell" >Subject: RE: JACOB GUDGEL AND MARY JANE WITHERSPOON >Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:55:13 -0400 > >Dear Linda, > Let me give you the line as I have it. We have the children of Jacob >Gudgel (b. 13 may 1833 Oakland City, Gibson, Ind., d. 7 Nov 1905, Clay >Center, Clay, KS.) and Mary Jane Witherspoon (b. 14 Jun 1843, Gibson, Ind, >d. 17 Nov 1916 Clay Center), they married 22 Mar. 1861 in Oakland City. >1. William Lemual Gudgel b. 17 Dec 1861( all children were born in Oakland >City, Gibson, Ind.) d. 7 Jun 1902 OK or IND. Married a Christina >2. Edward Gudgel b. abt 1864 d. in Stillwater, Payne, OK. Married Rena >3. Leuella Gudgel b. abt 1866, d. Clay Center, Ks. Married David May >in Apr. 1888 in Clay Center, Clay, KS >4. Nancy Gudgel b. abt 1868, d. Clay Center m. Jesse Jordan >5. Alvin Gudgel b. abt 1870, d. bef 1885 in Oakland City, IND >6. Elnora Gudgel b. abt 1872, d. bef 1961 in Oakland City >7. Theodore Gudgel b. abt 1874 d. in Stillwater, OK, m. Della Walker >8. *Charles Henry Gudgel b. 5 Aug 1876, d. 31 Dec 1951, Stillwater, Payne, >Ok. >9. Francis Jane Gudgel, b. abt. 1878 (twin) >10. Lucinda Bell Gudgel, b. abt 1878 (twin) m. Cyrus Wymore in Apr 1894 in >Clay Center, Clay, KS >11. Ethel Gudgel, b. abt 1880, m. Ralph Achenbach >12. Frederick C. Gudgel, b. abt 1882, d. bef 1961 in Bartlesville, OK, m. >Nellie Morgan > >Charles Henry Gudgel married Grace Alberta Nichols (b. abt 1880, Millington, >Kendall, ILL., d. 1971-1979, Stillwater, Payne, OK) on 20 Jan 1900 >1. (F) Alma Gudgel b. May 1901 Adina, Ks, d. 23 Nov 1917, Stillwater. Payne, >OK >2. Glenn W. Gudgel b. abt 1905, Stillwater >3. *Daniel Jacob Gudgel, b. 3 Feb 1901, Stillwater, d. May 1968, Midland, >Midland, Michigan. > >Daniel Jacob Gudgel married Opal Elva Yancey (b. 4 Oct 1912, Wellston, >McCurtain, OK, d. 13 Sep 1994) in abt. 1930 in Stillwater. >They divorced abt 1935/36 >1. Shirley Jean Gudgel, b. 24 Feb 1932, m. Everett Lewis Baerwaldt 8 Mar >1949 in Lewiston, Mont. (I am their oldest of their 6 children) >2. Barkay Gudgel, 29 Dec 1935, Garden City, KS > >Most of this information is from family records. My mother found some of it >at the LDS family history center and in the Gudgel History found on >microfilm # 1033561 item 17 also available at the family history center. I >do not know what other information is there, but perhaps there is other >information that you can use, if you haven't already used it. Because of the >divorce very little was known about any of the extended Gudgel family. My >mother felt a greater allegiance to her step-father, who raised her, than to >her natural father. It has only been in the last couple of years that we >have begun to do some serious research on our Gudgel lines. Now that we are >researching, I expect things will turn up. Hope this is what you wanted. >Thanks again for all your help and for keeping everyone up to date. >Debbie > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lfinnell [mailto:lfinnell@lex.infi.net] >Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 9:24 PM >To: Gudgel-List@eskimo.com >Subject: JACOB GUDGEL AND MARY JANE WITHERSPOON > >Thank you Debbie for answering the Roll Call. I wasn't aware you were a >subscriber but I'm glad to meet you! > >Two things: > >Your question re: GETCHELL/REDDOUT marriage- >REDDOUT isn't a name I'm familiar with and I have not seen any of the lines >in the area of Maine. But the name GETCHELL is definitely a variation of >the surname GUDGEL. I have seen this variation several times so keep an eye >out for it. > >You mentioned your line of descent through Jacob GUDGEL, son of William >GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN. I have a little info. on this line but would >like to know more if you have it. I don't have a Charles Henry GUDGEL as a >child of Jacob, so please share with us. I have: > >Jacob GUDGEL, b. ca. 1833 in Indiana (from 1850 Federal Census Gibson Co., >IN), >married Mary Jane WITHERSPOON (where/when?). Census lists Jacob as a >Farmer. >Children: >Willaim >Edward >Tully >Nancy >Allen >Fedora >Cherees (?) >Lucy >Ethel >Fredrick > >Notes on this family: (Can't remember who told me this!-must do better):) >There is a family of GUDGEL's in Santa Cruz, CA who are descended from >Jacob. Jacob left IN where his father lived. The mother of this man in >Santa Cruz lived in Seattle and in 1955 and uncle of this man was in Santa >Cruz and was a doctor, reaching old age in Phoenix, AZ. As an adult went to >Kansas. > >Now, so much for my notes! I think it means that Jacob went to Kansas as an >adult. >So how about Diane GUDGEL HOLMES and her Dad, Doyal (a/k/a Ralph), does the >location of Seattle ring any bells with you on this family? > >Debbie, can you help us out on this line? Also, thanks for the >encouragement about keeping the info. going. Somethimes I feel like no one >is even reading it. > >Linda- >from Kentucky-Thoroughbred capital of the world! > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:47:33 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL RESEARCHER-JIM POPE, ST. LOUIS, MO Hi everyone! I know several of you have heard me speak of a fellow researcher, Jim Pope, of St. Louis, MO. Well, Mr. Pope called a couple of evenings ago and said he had his new computer and would soon be online! Mr. Pope is a descendant of the WARE, CROSSFIELD and GUDGEL families and has researched extensively for many years. He will be a wonderful resource for our mail list. As soon as I know for sure he is online I will let you know and we will get him subscribed to the list. Not much else going on here in Kentucky. Just beautiful spring weather and that's a welcome sign for me :) All the hype about Kentucky winning the NCAA championship is beginning to die down. Keeneland (in Lexington) is open for the spring meet (horse racing) and there is an abundance of new born foals on the horse farms. They are really a sight to see. I live right in the heart of horse country and never take for granted the beauty of this area. Everyone should visit Kentucky at least once in their life--especially in the spring. If you are coming to the area maybe I could get with you and give you a tour or point you in a given direction. That's all for now. Will have something to contribute soon. Anyone discovered anything interesting in their searches lately? How about sharing something about your life growing up? Oldest GUDGEL you knew of or anything else of interest? Later, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:36:54 -0800 From: Dianne To: lfinnell Subject: Re: spring cleaning reveals . . . Ok, look what I found in a totally unrelated family file--a 1982 letter from Tawn Sue Gudgel in Juniata, NE. She is apparently the gt grand niece of Pearl Gudgel Brokofsky who has done a fair amount of family history work mentioned often by one or more of us. Her statement about the death of one of her grandfathers during the Civil War, Henry Gudgel in 1861 and the birth of a son Philip in 1865 by Henry's widow Sarah Ann Johnson Gudgel of course has brought to light many questions. I believe one of our "list" subscribers is descended from Philip--David Gudgel. Tawn Sue states that family tradition has it that Sarah lived with her father-in-law, William Gudgel (that would be the last son of Old Andrew, right?) after Henry died. So, the question in her family is that perhaps Philip was really a Gudgel., fathered perhaps by William. Interesting. Any more oral traditions on this subject? Also, I ran across a short index to the War of 1812 pension files, vol 1. In it I found a Daniel Gotshall listed. I do not have a legend to tell me what the codes mean, but if the name was still spelled Gotshall then, and if a Daniel of the right age lived in Harrison City, OH, then perhaps we an add some data. Here is exactly what the index says (perhaps someone could look up the REAL file record, not just the index data?): SC-8211, sd 14 May 1881, srv Capt Robert Gilmore's Co OH Mil, lived in Harrison Cty, OH 1850-71. I suspect the SC refers to South Carolina which would not fit well with our data, would it. I believe the 1881 refers to his death date. Has anyone researched Gudgel's in the War of 1812? I think I did, way back, but probably can not find the data now. Dianne G-H Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:05:03 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL/TROUTMAN line- Jefferson Co., IN Hi to everybody! Like Diane, I too have been spring cleaning my genealogy piles :) I found an email that I received from William Troutman Feb. 19, 1998. He states that he has an old TROUTMAN Bible that lists an Amos GUDGEL (b. May 3, 1834) that married Mary TROUTMAN (b. April 26, 1835). They married on Dec. 11, 1853. Their children were: Hester GUDGEL-b. June 27, 1855 Alica A. GUDGEL- b. May 27, 1864 Ellsworth GUDGEL-b. Dec. 28, 1864 Mary TROUTMAN's parents were John S. TROUTMAN (1798-1850) and Margaret (maiden name not given) (1799-1860). From 2 sources John and Margaret TROUTMAN were marr. Feb. 22, 1831 in Jefferson Co., IN. I have an Amos GUDGEL listed in my database (b. 1891 Menard Co., IL, d. 1973 Ainesworth, NE), s/o Phillip Sheridan GUDGEL and Ida Belle Nash, but this isn't the same Amos. Anyone got a clue where this Amos fits in? Thanks, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL from absolutely beautiful weather in Kentucky! Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:48:48 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: JOHN GUDGELL (GUTCHELL)-Jefferson Co., IN Another cleaning day find! I found an entry that I copied at some point on pg. 117: Revolutionary Soldiers Buried In Indiana (Supplement)-Waters: *********************************************************************** GUDGELL (GUTCHELL), JOHN (Uncertain). Name obtained after supplement was started. A John GUTCHELL of Indiana is on the 1831 list of rejected pensions, reason: "served in a regiment not on continental establishment". He is probably the John GUDGELL of Jefferson Co., IN in 1820 Census, v. 3, pg. 284 & 1830 Census, v. 7, pg. 196. There are several GUDGELL families in the 1850 Census of Jefferson Co. Ref.: "Rej. Appl. for Pens." (1831, pg. 48. ************************************************************************ Anyone care to take a guess which John this is? Linda Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gudge, Ann; Somerset ENG; 1740-1810 Here's an interesting forward from my wife, From: Penny Gudgel ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 7 Apr 1998 02:22:32 GMT From: "Richard M. Straw" Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.surnames.britain, soc.genealogy.surnames.global Subject: GUDGE, Ann; Somerset, ENG; 1740-1810 GUDGE, Ann; Somerset, ENG; 1740-1810 Seeking information on family of Ann GUDGE, of West Chinnock or Chiselborough, Somerset, ENG, reported born abt 1740, died 1807 in West Chinnock, married William Curtis of same general area. Thanks. Dick rstraw@cdsnet.net Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: ANNE GUDGE-SOMERSET, ENGLAND 1740-1810 Bob- This Anne GUDGE that came across the list is a strange one. The name GUDGEL wasn't used until our Andrew came to KY about 1788. All records in Woodford Co., KY are spelled GUDSHALL. The name GUDGEL began to turn up in records with the children who stayed in KY and prior to our old Andrew and Elizabeth leaving for Indiana Territory in early 1810. Interesting. Maybe Anne's name changed as ours did and hers was originally spelled another way in England. Comments anyone? Linda Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:53:58 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: DO YOU KNOW WHO THESE GUDGEL(L)'S ARE? Okay guys, I can use some help now. About 1993 I did am in depth mail out of questionaires's that I sent randomly from a white page listing of addresses from all over the U.S. I think I picked two from nearly every state and the response was wonderful. The survey told who I was, why I wanted to know about their family and requested they return the information to me. Well, I still have some of them that I have not been able to place and thought maybe some of you could help. Let me know if you recognize these GUDGEL's or if you want more information to contact them yourselves: *********************************************************************** James Walker GUDGEL , Redwood Falls, MN Chiropractor & Registered Physical Therapist b. 1947 Wuluts, Sedquick Co., KS, s/o Walker Francis GUDGEL (1912-1955 Slayton, TX) and Madeline Ruth HOLLINGSWORTH. (b. 1920). Father was b. James GUDGEL and changed name ib 1940 or 41 to Walker Francis GUDGEL. Grandparents were Theodore GUDGEL (b. 1874 IN) and Della WALKER (b. 1881 Kansas). *********************************************************************** Elmer GUDGEL, Merced, CA s/o Doyle Robert GUDGEL (d. 1987). Gave no other info. ************************************************************************ Richard Gerald GUDGEL, Columbia, SC Marketing Management b. 1946 Lexington, KY s/o Edward Francis GUDGEL, Jr. and Dorothy Jean CRANFILL. I just haven't gotten enough info. to connect on this one , however, I have some old pictures that may be the family of this person. Not sure. ************************************************************************ Phillip Maurice GUDGEL, Leawood, Kansas Engineer b. 1954 Keokuk, IA s/o Maurice GUDGEL (b. 1923 Hull, IL) and June DOTHAGE (b. Columbia, MO). Says he is descended from William Elmer GUDGEL, grandfather, and his wife Lucy. Lived in Hull, Pike Co., IL and had 2 children: Maurice and Marvin. Marvin still lives in Hull, IL. Still need info. on this family. ************************************************************************ Omer D. GUDGELL, Dayton, OH No data-his family came from Bath Co., KY. Would like info. on any GUDGEL(L)'s in the area of Dayton, OH. ************************************************************************ I have others that I will post as I find them in my spring cleaning :) Actually, most all of my replies were more than eager to respond. Just for the fun of it, have any of you ever run across any GUDGEL's just out of the blue? Thanks, Linda Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:16:35 -0800 From: Dianne To: lfinnell Subject: Re:Anne Gudge?-spellings? Linda, You sure have a lot of data and even recent names across the US. It would be nice to know how they are all connected. In time we will. Now, to the question of spellings. I see the name Gudgel in early books on the history of Fayette Co, PA and the name is spelled as it is today. It is also spelled Gutshell, etc. But I do see the books spelling it Gudgel. I do not know if this is a reflection of the fact the books were written anytime from 1830 to 1880, or whether the authors actually took the spellings from earlier documents where the names appeared at Gudgel. But I would have to asset that it DID appear as Gudgel a time or two before Andrew went to Ky, although we could really find out by charting the various spellings if we had the ORIGINAL old documents to draw from. Happy Easter ever one--only 1.5 feet of snow left on the front lawn now. Dianne G-H Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gedcom files on Gudgel web page I now have the first Gedcom file to put up on the web site (thanks Debbie!). Gedcom files (*.ged) are a standard genealogy family tree file format that is mainly readable from programs such as family tree maker and the like, where it is displayed in an easy to read family tree style. Even if you don't have one of these programs, you can still get something out of the files, (like names and dates), by just looking at the files with your web browser or downloading it and using something like microsoft word. I will be happy to put more of these on the site as they are e-mailed to me. I should get together with Dianne and put ours together. Bob Gudgel www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgel.htm From: Terri Montigny Subject: Daniel Gudgel Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:26:14 -0000 Sorry everyone! I have been out of town for what seems to be years! Graham and I went on a 10 day cruise and a week after that I left for Missouri to visit family. It seems like I have so much catching up to do. For those of you that don't have it. Here is the information I have on Daniel Gudgel. My Great Great Great Great Grandparents Daniel Gudgel and Rachel Gause It is unclear whether Rachel and Daniel met in Chester County or in Fayette County. In the Kennett Monthly Meeting it is noted that Rachel Goss, daughter of Charles, married out of union on December 14, 1780. Although, it does not show her being disowned there is no additional information on them in any Quaker records. This would mean that Daniel was not a Quaker or that he had been previously disowned by the Quakers. If this is true, that may be why her father placed Rachel's inheritance in a trust for her and her children. (Charles Gause mentioned both Amy and her husband in his will, but not Daniel.) In "The Harlan Family" by A. H. Harlan, it mentions that Daniel was a blacksmith. It is not clear where Daniel Gudgel came from originally or who his parents where. There are times and places that link Daniel to an Andrew Gudgel, but not a relationship. The earliest documentation on Andrew puts him in Bucks County, Pennsylvania in 1758. The first sign of Daniel Gudgel is in Fayette County, Pennsylvania. Follow the paperwork trail. The following spellings are taken exacting as they are written. Neither Daniel nor Rachel ever signed their name, the signature was always "their mark". The spellings are from a third party, who wrote the name as it sounded. 1780 December 14 Rachel Goss married out of union. (Kennett MM, Chester Co., PA) 1784 Gudgel, Daniel Dec Sessions, Fayette Co, PA. Regarding road from Josiah Crawfords ferry to Uniontown. (Ellis, History of Fayette County, PA) Report of a road from Josiah Crawford's ferry on the Monongahela River to Union Town . . .beginning at the river at said ferry . . . to Daniel Gudgel's . . .to Coxes Run . . . to Samuel Douglas' mill . . . to Dunlaps Creek at Amos Hough's mill . . .to the road leading from James Crawford's ferry to Union Town. . . (LaFayette, V8#4, Jan 1990) 1785 Gudel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1786 Gudgett, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1787 Gudgeal, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1787 Gudel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township (Two entries made for 1787. Two different Daniel's or maybe paying for someone else?) 1787 Stephen Gudgel Born. Age 62 in 1850 census. Born PA. (Sept 7, 1787 Harlan) 1788 Gugel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1789 Guttche?, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1790 Gutchel, Daniel 1790 Census, Fayette Co, PA Luzerne Township (Daniel -head of household, 3 males under 16, 3 females) 1791 Daniel Gudgel Woodford County, KY Taxpayers 1791 Daniel Jr. Gudgel Born. Age 59 in 1850 census. Born Kentucky. 1792 Daniel Gudgel Woodford County, KY Taxpayer 3 horses, 5 cattle 1794 Daniel Gudshall Woodford County, KY Taxpayer 1795 Daniel Gudshall Woodford County, KY Taxpayers 1796 Daniel Gudshall Woodford County, KY Taxpayers 1 horse 1796 Lydia Gudgell Married Henry Strucker - Woodfield Co, Kentucky Note: Daniel does not show up in the tax records in Woodfield Co, KY in 1797. 1797 ?Gudgill, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1799 ?Guthel, Danel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1809 Gudghall, Danel Mention of land in deed, Fayette County, PA, Book G pg 324. 1809 Gudgel, Daniel/Rachel Lived in Fayette Co. PA, Deed Book F, pg 272 1810 Gudgell, Daniel Fayette County, PA Census, Luzerne Township 1814 Gudgells Sold land in PA. See note below * 1814 Gudgel, Daniel (May 31) Bought 176 Acres Jefferson Co, IN Tract Book 1815 Gudgell, Daniel/Rachel Sold land to Henry Stucker, Jefferson Co, IN, Deed book C pg 464 (Very possibly their son-in-law) *On March 31, 1814 Rachel Gause Gudgell sold the land that she received from her father in his will. The deed mentions that Rachel and Daniel are both living in Luzerne Township, Fayette County, PA at this time. $610 was paid for the land by Elijah Crawford Senior of Fayette County. Because the land was given to Rachel and her children, the children were mentioned on the deed (deed book k, page 184). The children mentioned are: Amy Gudgell, daughter of said Daniel Gudgell, married to John Newburn. Living in Luzerne Township, Fayette County, State of Pennsylvania at this time. Stephen Gudgell, son of Daniel, married to Sarah Phillips. Living in Luzerne Township, Fayette County, State of Pennsylvania at this time. Lydia Gudgell, daughter of Daniel and Rachel Gudgell, married to Henry Strucker. They have moved to the Indiana Territory at this date. Then there are three of the children of Daniel and Rachel Gudgell yet minors: Isaac Nathan Mahlone There are a couple things that are off here. 1) There is no mention of Daniel Jr. Gudgel, who has already been mentioned as a nephew to Mary Gause (her will, dated 1810). Daniel Jr. is also mentioned in Daniel's will as his son (will dated 1819, Jefferson County, IN) Daniel [Jr.] is in the 1850 census noted as an "idiot". It is possible that he was blind, deaf, or retarded. It is strange that they don't mention him at all. 2)The deed mentions Amy and Stephen children of Daniel, but mentions Lydia, Isaac, Nathan and Mahlone, children of both Daniel and Rachel. However, if these were not Rachel's children, would they have to sign the deed to sell their inheritance? The never ending questions! Children of Daniel Gudgel and Rachel Gause 1) Stephan Gudgel was born 1787 in Pennsylvania and he died 1870 in Tiskilwa, Illinois. He married Sarah Phillips, born March 31, 1786 in Chester Co., Pennsylvania and died 1879 in Tiskilwa, Illinois. They were married September 14, 1808, in Brownsville, Fayette County, Pennsylvania.. Stephan was most likely a farmer. He and his family moved to Jefferson County, Indiana in 1814, the same year as his parents, and then to Bureau County, Illinois in 1856. Both Stephan and Sarah left wills in Bureau County, Illinois. (See below) They had the following children: Mary P Gudgel b. Jan 20, 1810 at Brownsville, Fayette Co, PA. Married Jacob Bowman, May 21, 1831. (May 26, 1832?) Lived in Tiskilwa, Illinois. (Jacob also came to Bureau County, Illinois in 1856) James Harlan Gudgel, b. November 15, 1811 at Brownsville, Fayette, County Penn. Married Elizabeth Harner 1832. Later moved to Adel, IA Thornton B. Gudgel, farmer, b. August 20, 1819 in Jefferson County, Indiana. Married Sarah Hughes (b. Ireland). Thornton died 1876 at Philadelphia, PA. Their children include: Mary Jane Gudgel, born Jan 27, 1845 in Jefferson County Indiana. She married Rolla Oliver Phillips (her first Cousin). Lived in Lincoln, Nebraska. The following is a little information taken from "The Harlan Family" by A.H. Harlan. The reason it is included is because there may be some clues to help explain the Gudgel family. Sarah Phillips was the daughter of Mary Harlan and Evan Phillips. She was described as a "friend", probably Quaker. (The Gause family also were Quakers.) She was born in Chester Co, Pennsylvania and moved with her parents to Brownsville, Fayette Co, PA. (The Gause family also moved from Chester Co, PA to Fayette Co, PA, although, probably much earlier, judging from the dates.) Sarah had two brothers, that we know of: Evan Phillips, a carpenter, a friend, born June 9, 1791 in Fayette County, Pennsylvania married February 26, 1814 in Luzerne Township, Fayette Co, to Sarah Chalfant Evan and Sarah moved to Greene County, Penn in 1814 and they both died there. They had eleven children. Eli Phillips, a tailor, Friend born August 13, 1796, New Castle Co, Delaware Married 1824 Jemima Oliver in Greene County, Penn died Lincoln, Lancaster Co, Nebraska. Buried with his wife at Jefferson Green Co, PA. They had the following children: Rolla Oliver Phillips (I think, parents listed as Eli and Mary - perhaps her middle name) who married Mary Jane Gudgel (Episcopalian). See notes above. Will of Stephen Gudgel, son of Daniel Gudgel. Filed May 18th 1871 Will dated April 28, 1870 Appoints wife to settle up all his affairs as he would do. When wife has collected she is to divide between the three children and retain sufficient amount for her own use. Mary J. Brown Mary Horner M. J. Gudgel (WHO IS THIS????) Sarah is living with her daughter and son-in-law Mary and Jacob Bowman in 1877. She is 91 years old. (tax information) Will of Sarah Gudgel, wife of Stephen Gudgel. Sarah died June 6, 1879 Filed June 6, 1879 Lived in Milo, Bureau County, Illinois. She was 89 when she wrote her will. She. . . 1) Leaves daughter, Mary Bowman, wife of Jacob Bowman all household goods and kitchen furniture and wearing apparel. 2) Leaves to son James Harlan Gudgel her gold watch. 3) The rest of her personal property to be divided equally between her three children, James Harlan Gudgel, Thornton B. Gudgel and daughter Mary Bowman, wife of Jacob Bowman. If son Thorton B. Gudgel should not survive her, his share is to be paid to his daughter, Mary Jane Phillips. She directs that all just debts and funeral expenses be paid as soon after her death as possible. She appoints Jacob Bowman to be the executor of her last will and testament. Witnessed the 10th day of February 1876. May 1889, James H. Gudgel was the administrator of the estate on the Application for Final Settlement. It lists himself, Mary Bowman and Mary Jane Phillips of interested parties. Children of Daniel Gudgel and Rachel Gause cont . . . 2) Amy Gudgel married John Newburn. They were married and resided in Fayette County, Pennsylvania in 1814, but it is unknown at this time whether they moved with the rest of the family to Indiana or stayed in Pennsylvania. 3) Lydia Gudgel born before 1782. She married Henry Stucker. It is said that she married Henry in Woodford County, Kentucky in 1796. I have not seen the marriage record. It is not known whether she stayed in Kentucky after her marriage. Lydia and Henry were known to be in the "Indiana Territory" in 1814. 4) Daniel Gudgel born. about 1791- died after 1850 was never married as far as we know. The 1850 census shows him living with Stephen and Sarah Gudgel in Jefferson County, Indiana. The census classified him as an "Idiot" as mentioned previously. He was noted as being 59 years old. 5) Isaac Gudgel born after 1796?. Was still a "minor child" in 1814, according to the deed. Isaac lived was in the 1820 census in Jefferson County, Indiana. It listed 2 girls between the ages of 10-15. There is also an Isaac Gudgel who shows up in the 1830 census in Ridgeville Township in Clinton County, Ohio. Charlotte Gudgel (Mahlon's wife) also shows up in Clinton County that year. There are two marriages in Clinton County, Ohio for an Isaac Gudgel. (1) Nancy Hormel - November 7, 1824 and (2) Sarah Swingler-July 23, 1829. 6) Nathaniel Gudgel born after 1796. Was still a "minor child" in 1814, according to the deed. Nathaniel married Rachel Chasteen on July 13, 1818 in Jefferson County, Indiana. 7) **Mahlon/Mahlan Gudgel: Born. after 1896 - died about 1841) Was still a "minor child" in 1814, according to the deed. Mahlon married Charlotte Snodgrass in Jefferson County, Indiana. Mahlon and Charlotte had five sons. More about them in the previous section. Will of Daniel Gudgel In the name of lord amen. I Daniel Gudgel of Jefferson, State of Indiana considering the uncertainly of this mortal life and being of sound mind and perfect understanding blessed be the almighty god for the for the same, do make and publish this my last will and testament in manner and form following - that is to say. 1st) I bequeath my soul to god that gave it and my body to be buried in a decent Christian like manner. 2) I bequeath to my beloved wife Rachel all my personal estate during her life the farming tool excepted and at her decease to go to my son Daniel. I also bequeath to my said son Daniel Gudgel forty five acres of land joining Jacob Stucker and Isaac Gudgel. I also will and bequeath to my son Nathaniel Gudgel the seventy acres of land I now live on and the farming tools of every description. But the said Nathaniel must give unto his mother every year the one third of all the grain that grows on said place. And or I have gave to my other sons, Stephen Isaac and Malon Gudgel and the have possession of what I allow for their party least (but) slice discretionary? of making one equal division. I will that my wife shall give to my son Malon at my decease the t___horse I possess. And to my other two sons - Stephen and Isaac and my two daughters I will to each of them one dollar. And it is my desire that my son Isaac should be my son Daniels guardian and to do the best for him that his ____ would dictate. And I also appoint my wife Rachel executor of this my last will and testament hereby revoking all former wills by me made in any ways in witness. Where of _______ ________ to set my hand and seal this 16th day of July in the year of our Lord One thousand eight hundred and nineteen. Daniel Gudgel His mark Signed sealed published and declared by the above named Dan'l Gudgel to be his last will and testament in the presence of us who have here unto subscribed our names as witness ______________. Sam'l McKinley Pamy McKinley Robert McKinley Recorded and Examined November 9th, 1821 Name Unreadable Found in Jefferson County, Indiana Transposed 6/97 TM Terri Montigny 6456 Havens Road Blacklick, OH 43004 Tmontigny@msn.com From: Terri Montigny Subject: Hello Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:50:52 -0000 Happy Easter everyone. I'm sorry I haven't been around much. Hopefully I'll catch up. You guys have done lots of good work!!! Terri Montigny 6456 Havens Road Blacklick, OH 43004 Tmontigny@msn.com Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: WELCOME BACK TERRI AND DANIELA!! To all the List: A big welcome back to Terri Montigny, For those who don't know her, she is an avid researcher of the line of Daniel GUDGEL (Great article!). Also a welcome back to Daniela Moneta, who'se been under the weather for a bit. Daniela's interest is in the WOODFIELD/GUDGEL lines. Will catch up with everyone this evening -on my way to work right now. Later, Linda :) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: Re: DO YOU KNOW WHO THESE GUDGEL(L)'S ARE? >Return-Path: >From: "Mia K. Fleegel" >Organization: Syracuse University Library >To: lfinnell >Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:13:17 EDT >Subject: Re: DO YOU KNOW WHO THESE GUDGEL(L)'S ARE? > >Hi Linda, > > The fellow listed below is my cousin. William Elmer GUDGEL is the >son of David Milton Gudgel who is the son of Andrew Gudgel (b. ca >1809) who Bob has pictured on his website. Phillip has an older >brother David who still lived in Keokuk and a younger sister Linda >who I always thought was beutiful. They all have dark hair. David is >older than I am and Phillip & Linda are younger. Phillip moved to >KS just before we left KS and moved to New York or I probably would >have connected up with him. His father Maurice died a few years ago >of cancer. My Dad was very found of Maurice and they hung out as >teenagers. Marvin lives in Hull and is not in good health. He is >one of the sweetest people you would ever want to meet. I knew >William Elmer Gudgel (my great-grandmothers brother and always >thought the world of him. > >Mia > >I'm taking 2 graduate courses this semester, working full time and >preparing to take another People to People group overseas this summer >so I haven't had much time to post. i hope that will change come >May. . .I'm still here and reading everything!!! >******************************************************************** >* *** > >Phillip Maurice GUDGEL, Leawood, Kansas >Engineer >b. 1954 Keokuk, IA >s/o Maurice GUDGEL (b. 1923 Hull, IL) and June DOTHAGE (b. Columbia, MO). >Says he is descended from William Elmer GUDGEL, grandfather, and his wife >Lucy. Lived in Hull, Pike Co., IL and had 2 children: Maurice and Marvin. >Marvin still lives in Hull, IL. >Still need info. on this family. >************************************************************************ > >Omer D. GUDGELL, Dayton, OH >No data-his family came from Bath Co., KY. Would like info. on any >GUDGEL(L)'s in the area of Dayton, OH. >************************************************************************ > >I have others that I will post as I find them in my spring cleaning :) >Actually, most all of my replies were more than eager to respond. >Just for the fun of it, have any of you ever run across any GUDGEL's just >out of the blue? > >Thanks, Linda > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:52:27 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: DANIEL GUDGEL AND RACHEL GAUSE This is just a follow up on Terri Montigny's information on Daniel GUDGEL and RACHEL GAUSE (and Terri, it was very thorough and well done. Thanks!) Just some added information. I have a lot of data on Daniel GUDGEL and sorry to say I haven't researched him in depth because I could never document he was the son of Andrew for sure. I feel sure he was. I have reference to a book called The Harlan Family of Chester Co., PA, 1914, pg. 306 where some of this information came from. Anyone seen this book? Also, Daniel and Rachel appear on the 1790 Federal Census in Fayette Co., PA, Luzerne Township, the 1800 Federal Census of Fayette Co., PA, Luzerne Township, and the 1810 Federal Census of Fayette Co., PA Luzerne Township. So this would explain that they indeed were in Woodford Co., KY between 1790 and 1800 as we see in the Tax lists that Terri listed. I remember Mr. Pope saying that Daniel and Rachel came to KY and stayed 10 or 15 years and then returned to Fayette Co., PA for a while and then later they came back south to Jefferson Co., IN. He mentioned that her father was in bad health and apparently they went back to PA to be with him for a while. This too makes sense. It was more like 10 years that they stayed in PA before returning south and had to have been between the 1790 and 1800 census. I am soon going to be involved in a major project with the local Historical Society here in Woodford Co., KY with the help of our County Clerk. She is getting very fussy about who handles these old marriage bonds and minister's returns. Some are over two hundred years old and they are getting so brittle and are absolutely falling apart. So a group from the Hisotrical Society has agreed to copy close to 4,000 of these documents and put them in acid free sleeves and file them in binders for public use. This way they can be copied and won't have to be folded and unfolded which makes for repeated wear and damage. Our clerk can then store the originals out of public reach. I know myself that I have looked many times for certain marriage bonds that I know should be there and they are not. Sad to say, but you would be surprised what "walks" out of these courthouses. Our clerk is to be commended on the care she has given these old documents and she guards them like they were gold (and they are to us!). She has applied for numerous grants to have old ledgers, etc. rebound and microfilmed. Anyway, I hope to find some GUDGEL marriage bonds in these bundles that perhaps I have overlooked before. One for sure is Hannah GUDGEL (daughter of Andrew) to Jesse MUSICK. Will close for now. Thanks again Terri for your report :) Linda from Kentucky, home of the Kentucky Derby (coming soon! May 2nd). Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:40:16 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL OBITUARIES Listed below are the Obituaries of my great great grandparents, Jacob M. GUDGELL and Frances Matilda GRIFFEY. Jacob GUDGELL (b. 1833 Anderson Co., KY-d. 1896 Anderson Co., KY) was the son of Elijah GUDGELL and Lydia BELL amd the grandson of our old Andrew GOTTSCHALL(K)/GUDGEL(L). Frances Matilda GRIFFEY (b. 1833 Anderson Co., KY-d. 1903 Anderson Co., KY) was the dau. of Benjamin GRIFFEY and Margaret COMMINGO WHITENECK. Jacob and Frances were married Nov. 17, 1856 Anderson Co., KY at the home of Benjamin GRIFFEY. Both are buried in the GUDGEL(L) Cemetery on Rice Road in Anderson Co., KY. Children of Jacob and Frances (a/k/a Aunt Frank) were: (All born in Anderson Co., KY) John William GUDGEL b. Feb. 4, 1858. Marr. Emma GIBBS. Benjamin Thomas GUDGEL- b. July 15, 1860-d. Sept. 29, 1923 Franklin Co., KY. Marr. (1) Susan Hattie BICKERS (2) Ida Olga HALMHUBER. James Monroe GUDGEL- b. Nov. 12, 1862, d. Aug. 4, 1863. Edward E. GUDGEL-b. Nov. 17, 1867-d. Dec. 3, 1900. Marr. Hattie B. SWEAZEY. Margaret Bell GUDGEL- b. Aug. 31, 1864, d. 1948. Marr. Edward Gideon MARTIN, Sr. Jacob Madison GUDGEL, Jr.- b. Mar. 8, 1869, d. Feb. 19, 1873. Annie GUDGEL-b. Sept. 6, 1872, d. Jan. 30, 1888. Allie Lee GUDGEL- b. Dec. 5, 1875, d. Oct. 15, 1899. Marr. Clara Hutson HAWKINS. These are my great grandparents. ************************************************************************ These obits were copied from microfilm of the local Anderson Co., KY newspaper, The Anderson News: GUDGELL-Esq. Jacob GUDGELL, a well-known citizen of this county, died at his home on the Fox Creek Pike Monday morning in the sixty-third year of his age. For the last two years he has been in failing health, and his death was not unexpected to his family and friends. He was in town last Friday, and until late Sunday evening he was not thought to be any worse than ususal. Just before night he began to complain, and fell over in a faint. Calling for assistance, he became unconscious, and never spoke again. He expired at about 5 o'clock Monday morning. Esq. GUDGELL has been on two occasions elected to the office of Magistrate. Though he had never connected himself with any church organization, he was a firm believer in the doctrine of the Old School Baptists, and was a regular attendant when they held services. Funeral services were held at the home Tuesday morning by Elders Smith HAWKINS and D.G. JOHNSON, the interment taking place in the private cemetery. ************************************************************************ MRS. FRANCES M. GUDGEL, wife of the late Squire J.M. GUDGEL, died at her home a few miles weest of town last Thursday morning of a complication of diseases, aged sixty-eight years. She left two sons J.W. GUDGEL, of Mt. Eden, and Ben GUDGEL, this county, and Mrs. Maggie MARTIN, of near town to mourn her loss. The remains were interred in the GUDGELL burying-gound Friday morning at ten o'clock, services having been conducted at the residence. In the death of this estimable Christian lady the community sustains an irreparable loss, the saddened children, a kind and loving mother, whose place can never be filled. Dying in full faith in a Savior's love, she is now in a land of eternal rest. ************************************************************************ Boy, have today's obituaries changed a lot from what they were way back then! They were very personal then. I am sure most of you have heard of a death announcement called a "Letter edged in black"? I have one from the death of the above Frances Matilda GRIFFEY GUDGEL. It was something my father, Norman GUDGEL, had in his keepsakes. I am amazed at how they conducted these funerals back then. The deceased was usually buried the next day, sometimes even the same day. But if they used these announcements (and this one was mailed), how did the recipient have enough time to get to the funeral? Maybe it was just a formality that followed after the service? I invite each of you to dig a little into your keepsakes and share a special one with the list. If they are connected in some way to this GUDGEL surname please tell us how. They'd be proud that you are keeping their memory alive. Good night to all, Linda from Kentucky-Rainy, thunderstorms, and tornado watches in south central KY. Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Meeting Gudgels out of the blue >>Just for the fun of it, have any of you ever run across any GUDGEL's >>just out of the blue? >>Thanks, Linda Well, kind of... Yesterday a guy at work asked my brother (Robin) if he knew a Tom Gudgel. He (Robin) said yes, "That's my brother". "Does his wife have a daycare?" Yes, says Robin. In Marysville? (WA) No says Robin. Well, I inquired with the other employee, (Robin and I work at the same place), and found that the name was not Tom, (Robin's, Dianne's and my brother), but Kim Gudgel, a name I see often on a local real estate bill board. (I wondered who that person was). Well, after talking to Kim's wife, Sandy, on the phone at her daycare center, I searched www.four11.com for his email address, (Sandy said he was on the internet and into Gudgel genealogy), and lo and behold, he's on this very mailing list! I stopped by the daycare (it's on my way home from work) and I followed Sandy home and had a great time talking and looking over Gudgel stuff with them! We're related through William's (old Andrew's last son) sons, Henry Thomas G. (my side) and Andrew G. (Kim's side). I will be putting Kim's gedcom file up on the website soon. (he's still tweaking it). I know that Robin has a good "out of the blue" story to tell, too. This is probably a good time to post the subscribers (24) to this mail list so far...... (list deleted for spam's sake) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:49:52 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: WHAT A WONDERFUL STORY! Good morning to all! I was so happy to hear about the meeting of Kim Phelps GUDGEL and Bob GUDGEL! This is what we are all about. Sharing our information and meeting such nice people (especially those GUDGEL's . I look forward each day to seeing something from any of you. And the fact that we have 24 subscriber's (thanks again , Bob) shows that we are growing and the word is getting out there that we are here. Kim, we will be looking forward to having you share your information with us too. Keep up the good work and also introduce yourself! When we speak of "meeting a GUDGEL out of the blue" I also think of another story, not a GUDGEL, but a relative. When I was first married, 1969 (yes, I am that old ), I knew an older couple that lived up the street next to my mother-in-law. I only knew them as Mr. and Mrs. Richardson. In fact we called her "Maw Richardson". I think of how many times I had talked to her. A very nice couple whose children all lived close. Anyway, we moved to the other side of town and I didn't get to see her as much but they both eventually died in the 1980's I believe. I now have discovered that she was a sister to my great grandmother on my mother's side! Never in all our conversations did we ever talk about that for some reason. When I think of the questions I could have asked her it makes me sad that I missed the opportunity-unknownst to me. We were never close to my mother's family so I guess that's why I never asked becasue I didn't know them then really. You just never know I guess. I'm off to work now. Thanks to everyone for sharing. Linda Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:04:25 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: WHERE ARE SMITTY AND WILLIE CROSSFIELD?? We have a new subscriber on the list and they are being a bit bashful I think. Says she doesn't have anything to add! The fact that Smitty and Willie CROSSFIELD of Lawrenceburg. Anderson Co., KY, have been researching for years, makes that statement hard for me to believe. They are now in Florida and will be returning soon to the Bluegrass of Kentucky for the summer. For those who don't know, this is how the CROSSFIELD's and GUDGEL's are connected and have many descendants: Elijah GUDGELL, Sr. (1797-1866)son of our old Andrew GOTTSCHALL(K)/GUDGEL(L) and 1st or second wife?, married Lydia Ann BELL (1799-1861) on May 5th, 1819 Mercer Co., KY. Two of their daughters married CROSSFIELD brothers: Amanda GUDGEL (1820-1893) married Oct. 15, 1840 Anderson Co., KY to Woodford CROSSFIELD. Martha Bell GUDGEL (1824-1858) married Nov. 16, 1843 Anderson Co., KY to Richard Henry CROSSFIELD. So these are all cousins. This Elijah and Lydia are also my g-g-g grandparents. So, Smitty and Willie....sorry if I have embarassed you , but now you can tell us ......THE REST OF THE STORY! Thanks, Linda Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: WOODFIELD/DENBO/GUDGEL CONNECTION I am sending one more email to you and I promise I will get off here and go to work! Last night I was looking through a book and something caught my eye.......... The book is: Five Generation Book II, 1994. Published by the Tri-State Genealogical Society. It is a book of family pedigree charts submitted by members with ties to Gibson Co., IN (final resting place of our old Andrew). On page 83 there is a group sheet for the family of Louisa Lucinda CARR. I have no CARR's that I'm aware of but one of her family's name caught my eye.....Woodfield Grant DENBO. The name DENBO! Louise Lucinda CARR (b. 1897 Crawford Co., IN, d. 1981 Evansville, IN) daughter of William Thomas CARR (b. 1829 Henry Co., KY-d. 1901 English, IN) and Rebecca F. DENBO (b. 1865 English, IN, d. 1941 Princeton, IN). Rebecca DENBO's line was- father: Woodfield Grant DENBO (b. 1865- Harrison Co., IN, d. 1898 English, IN). Her mother: Lucinda MATHERS (b. 1829 Crawford Co., IN, d. 1884 English, IN). Father of Woodfield Grant DENBO was listed as Joseph C. DENBO (b. 1799 Pennsylvania, d. 1851 Harrison Co., IN). For you WOODFIELD/GUDGEL searchers....wasn't there DENBO's in PA with the WOODFIELD's before they came to KY...or maybe they came with them? I will have to get my files out but I am sure the name connects. It was in the story of the WOODFIELD family that I think Daniela Moneta (list memeber) sent me. I think we are on to something here. The lady who submitted the chart was: Mary Lu Robb Deyle R.R. #1, Box 48 Princeton, IN 47670 Does anyone know this lady? Good bye..I really am going to work! Linda Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:44:58 -0700 From: Smitty Crossfield Subject: Rest of the story Hi, Now that Linda has exposed us to the list I will forgive her and tell you about the off-springs of Woodford and Amanda Gudgel Crossfield as it pretains to this branch of the family. THeir son Elijah Gudgel Crossfield m.Nannie Cook and they had Ernest,Edward, Martha,MAe,John and Walker(a girl) John. m. Myrtle Stratton and had Herman, Edward, Willie, Nell, And MArgaret. Willie m. Smitty and had John,Steve and Robert. John m. Kathy Paul and Lives in the same town as Linda.John has Matthew,Sara,Elizabeth, and Emily. Sara m. J.J. MArtin and have our two greatgranddaughters Shelby & Cassandra. Middle son Steve graduated with Linda and is divorced with one child Lesley Anne. Third son Robert m. Carla Durham and have Samuel.All of those are you cousins. And that is just one small branch of the Gudgel Tree. If you have any questions I'll be glad to try and answer them. Unlike Linda I do not have to go to work. Thank God, I'm retired. Smitty Smitty@nut-n-but.net P.S. Linda has so many things in connection with us that I feel that we have adopted her. I hope she feels the same way. Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:54:33 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: PAUL GUDGEL-CHIEF JUDGE OF KY COURT OF APPEALS I am in the cleaning mode again and wanted to share this with you guys. One of our own has done very well here in KY! ************************************************************************ Notes from the press release: November 20, 1997 Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, KY- The Honorable Paul D. GUDGEL, Court of Appeals Judge representing the Fifth Appellate District consisting of Anderson, Bourbon, Boyle, Clark, Fayette, Franklin, Jessamine, Madison, Mercer, Scott and Woodford counties has been formally sworn in as the new Chief Judge of the Kentucky Court of Appeals. A ceremony was held on Monday at the Court of Appeals Courtroom in Frankfort. George Fowler, Clerk of the Court of Appeals, swore in Judge GUDGEL, who is replacing retiring Chief Judge Anthony M. Wilhoit. Judge GUDGEL received his undergraduate degree from the University of Kentucky in 1961. He received a law degree from the University of KY School of Law in 1964 and a master of Laws degree from the University of Virginia School of Law in 1990. Judge GUDGEL has been a practicing attorney and has served as a Municipal Court and Quarterly Court Trial Commissioner, Fayette County Judge, and Chief Fayette District Court Judge. In 1979 Judge GUDGEL was appointed to the Court of Appeals. He served as the Court's Chief Judge Pro Tem from 1984-1990. ......Judge Wilhoit commented, "Paul GUDGEL is an outstanding jurist and a very capable administrator. Leadership of the Court of Appeals could not be in better hands". Judge GUDGEL and his wife, Katherine, live in Lexington. ************************************************************************ A little history on Judge GUDGEL: Paul Daniel GUDGEL- b. July 22, 1938, is the son of John William GUDGEL (1902-1965) and Marion JOYCE (b.1904). Grandson of Benjamin Thomas GUDGEL and Ida Olga HAMLHUBER. Paul Daniel GUDGEL has 2 siblings, a sister, Mary Carol, lives in Buffalo, NY and a brother, John Luke, who died in 1991 in Buffalo, NY. Paul (a/k/a Judge GUDGEL) resides in Lexington, KY with his wife, Katherine. He has no children but Katherine has three I believe, which Paul has played a major role in their lives since early days. Judge GUDGEL and Katherine are also raising a grandaughter, who'se mother was killed in an auto accident a number of years ago. When my brother, Sam,(who is on the list also) was here from MA several years ago, Judge GUDGEL was running for election at that time. Sam took a political yard sign (they do this in KY ) back to MA with him and it is framed in his office. BIG letters say Elect GUDGEL.. in red, white and blue. It's not every day we see that name ya' know and I think Sam is quite proud of it. Judge GUDGEL has an interest in our family search. I have met with he and his mother several times at their homes and we have poured over pictures, compared notes, and yacked till we were worn out with it. One thing interesting that his mother, Marion, has is a pair of glasses in a case that belonged to Jacob GUDGEL, son of our old Andrew. They are teeny tiny and I can't imagine trying to see through them. They have been handed down through the family for many years. So if any of you guys ever get into trouble in this area of KY you know you've got a friend in the area! That's all for now! Linda Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:17:20 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: Re: PAUL GUDGEL-CHIEF JUDGE OF KY COURT OF APPEALS >Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:10:21 -0400 >To: lfinnell >From: Sam Gudgel >Subject: Re: PAUL GUDGEL-CHIEF JUDGE OF KY COURT OF APPEALS >> >>years ago, Judge GUDGEL was running for election at that time. Sam took a >>political yard sign (they do this in KY ) back to MA with him and it is >>framed in his office. BIG letters say Elect GUDGEL.. in red, white and.... > > >The ironic part of it all was that I "stole" a Judge's sign! Oh brother... > >No, really as Linda says... I was proud of it and indeed you do NOT see the >name all that much. > >>From the Turkey Shooters of Massachusetts (yes, I actually have wild >turkeys in my yard every morning... at the BIRD FEEDER)... > >Sam Gudgel > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: WELCOME TO ED GUDGEL! Ed- Great to see you come aboard! We hope you will share your history with all of us. I really enjoy the little "stories" that go along with the facts. These are things we never find in history and genealogy books! I forwarded your message to the list for everyone to read. I have some catching up to do and sorry I have been so busy this week. I got some pension records from Pearl GUDGEL BROKOFSKY in Grand Island , NE this week and will share them with you all over the weekend. Later, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY-Heart of Thoroughbred country. Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:09:52 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: Activities of the last two weeks Greetings from Kentucky! This may be a little off topic but I wanted to share what I've been up to the last two weekends. Last weekend I visited the Harrodsburg, Mercer Co., KY Historical Society with a friend. This is a magnificent place and has been in existence since about 1902. I went looking for a law suit involving Andrew GUDGEL's land which he lost in Woodford Co., KY before going to Gibson Co., IN. I had been told that there were 3 law suits involved in the final disposition of his property. I found one at the Archives in Frankfort, KY about two years ago. I had a one page transcription of notes from another suit in Mercer Co., KY given to me by Mr. Jim Pope, St. Louis, MO. Turns out that there are about 30 pages involved in this Mercer Co. suit and it is at the courthouse in Mercer Co. I was there on a Saturday so I must go back when the courthouse is open. Not really sure why it was filed in Mercer Co., KY unless it was because the party Andrew was suing was Patrick DORAN, a resident of Mercer Co., KY at that time. So I must go back another day. I knew the GUDGEL's had ties in Mercer Co., especially to the DRISKELL/DRISCOLL families. Andrew's son, Jacob GUDGEL, married Drucilla DRISKELL. dau. of Timothy DRISKELL and Priscilla DOBBINS. However, there were so many more ties that I hadn't realized from my particular lines (BUNTON, BELL, GRIFFEY, etc.). They have a room that is nothing but original documents in file cabinets, indexed by family and they are not crammed in like you find in most places. These documents have been dipped in an acid free solution to preserve them (done by the State Archives) and well, it's wonderful what they have done to keep these documents. They are to be commended. I will be going back soon and I'm sure they will have to turn the lights out to get me out of there! Today, my husband, Gary, and I went on a bus tour with the local Historical Society through the southern end of Woodford Co., KY (this is my hubby's old stomping ground so to speak), such as the areas of Mortonsville, Nonesuch, Elm Corner, and Clover Bottom. (Note: Andrew GUDGEL was in the western end of Woodford Co. near Franklin Co.). For those who have never been to Kentucky, let me put you in the right frame of mind for this. You can always tell someone is from Kentucky because they refer to being from a particular "county". We are agricultural and also "citified" in certain areas, and we do wear shoes regardless of what you hear . We live between Lexington and Frankfort right in the heart of horse country. My hubby is not into genealogy but I was surprised how much he knew about the area and how much he added as we rolled along. Come go with me as I recall the days events. It was an absolutely georgeous day and as I made my way down the aisle of the bus I had to laugh at myself for not remembering how narrow these aisles were and how small the seats were. Guess I was much smaller and narrower then too! We drove along the route and stopped on a pull off spot ever so often to hear about the particular farms, cemeteries, estates, etc. and a little history on each. It was strange to see rows of trees that once marked the lanes or roads to each house, maybe now with new roads or the spacious homes totally gone. The remains of old stone fences left to the decay and shifting of time. We still have many beautiful stone fences in Kentucky but the building and maintenance is a lost art I'm afraid. A lot of the homes have been restored and are absolutely fabulous. Homes of Revolutionary War soldiers, politicians, successful farmers, and just common everyday hardworking folks. It was like going back in time. We saw the old Elm Bend school house in Mortonsville, the first colored school in the area. It was sad to see it grown up with weeds and trees around it. Small, but it has to hold a lot of memories for some people. We saw old Dr. Sublett's house/office. Also forgotten by time and in a sad state of repair. He was a practicing physician in the mid to late 1800's. We visited the home of Capt. Jack Jouett (1754-1822). A legislator from Woodford and Mercer Co., KY; was a prominent leader for Kentucky statehood and one of the state's first importers of purebred horses and cattle. Fantastic restored home. A must see if you are ever in the area. We visited the Old Ebenezer Church, which has been restored and on the state historical register. I hope I have not bored some of you with my adventures but I wanted to share them with you. I got off the bus feeling a sort of sadness to realize again how much our world is changing. Change is good but remembering is good too. Makes you wonder about the lives of our families who went before us I guess. I love Kentucky and no matter where I go I will never find a place more dear to my heart. Wish I could have taken each of you with us today. Good night. Linda Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:20:36 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: lfinnell Subject: Re: Activities of the last two weeks lfinnell wrote: > > Greetings from Kentucky! > > This may be a little off topic but I wanted to share what I've been up > to > the last two weekends. > > Last weekend I visited the Harrodsburg, Mercer Co., KY Historical > Society > with a friend. This is a magnificent place and has been in existence > since Stop it. Next you will have us all balling! :-) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: GudgeLL people (LL) Linda, you have a wonderful writing style. The bus tour story was great! I am wondering if anyone here knows of any living GudgeLLs that have done genealogy that goes back to Old andrew. I look at the Family Tree Maker disks that Penny has, and the references don't really say anything. I see that if you do a WWW search (altavista, for example) you will find quite a few occurrences of GudgeLL. Even www.gudgellproperties.com for real estate up here in washington, a GudgeLL church in MO, at least a couple of GUDGELL roads, (one with congestion), etc. Bob GudgeL Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:25:22 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL RESEARCHERS Bob- I frequently check the seach engines for GUDGEL(L) information and every once in a while I find something new. I think we have saturated the market so to speak and we on the list are the "cream of the crop". I really think that the families who married into the GUDGEL lines may hold the answers to a lot of our questions. For instance- I have searched everywhere on the web in PA that would apply to our GUDGEL family and it is strange to me that it is as if they didn't exist. I have tried all sorts of look ups and subscribed to area mail lists and I never get a response to this family. Are we looking in the wrong places or maybe the variations of spelling of this name are incorrect? As large as this family was it just doesn't make sense. I too want to check out the FTM CD's. A friend of mine must have all of them and I want to check them out. Our local Historical Society (my husband calls it the Histerical Society ) is getting the complete set of FTM CD's for the library and we are so excited. There are still a lot of people out there who research this surname without the use of a computer. We just have to find them! Some of the allied names that I have not had much luck with are ODOM, HARBISON and BRYAN. There are others that I haven't really gotten around to indepth research on. What is it they say.....so many lines and so little time. For sure. Linda Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lane Lance" (by way of lfinnell ) Subject: Gattschalks Can anyone help Debbie on this question? Thanks, Linda A stupid question.... Do we know which area of Germany the Gattschalks were from? It seems like I had something on that, but I can't seem to find it. We are thinking of sending my parents to Germany on a genealogy trip next spring for their 50th. My father has 4 main lines from the Paletine, Stettin, Pommeran area of Germany (now Poland). It seems like I recall reading somewhere that the Gattschalk line was from the same area. I am in the process of gathering information on the German lines. I want them to have specific places to go and specific documents to trace to see if they can't crack the barrier and get the 5 or so German lines back into the "old country". My mother was just reading an article to me a couple of weeks ago that the largest percentage of immigrants to this country were Germans followed by Irish and English. Our experience is that the Germans are the hardest to get out of the country and the "holes" on my pedigree chart really bother me. Debbie Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:27:53 -0400 (EDT) From: NMorri3924 (by way of lfinnell ) Subject: RE: Musick For those interested in the GUDGEL/MUSICK lines- I received this email message today. I will check out the website for sure. Thanks, Linda Hi, My distant cousin Leah M sent me your post as I am researching Musicks. Here is the info that I have: George Musick, Sr and Anne Barth (known as the Pioneer) Ephraim Musick and Isabella Roy (his son) and John his son,>>>>>> >>>> John Musick, b. in Spotsylvania Co. ab. 1753; d. ab 1844 in Logan Cy IL m. Mary Berry of Orange Cy., VA on July 22, 1776, according to Marriage Register No. 17, Orange Cy., VA She was b. ab 1760. Her father moved to Lexington, KY. John was a soldier in Capt. Burneley's Co. a part of Taylor's Virginia Regiment, during the Revolutionary War. All of his army service was in VA. (Ref.: Historical Register of Virginians in the Revolution, p.576, by John H. Gwathmey; and Revolutionary War Records, Vol 1, p 254, by Brumbaugh.) The late Elzoe P.C. Weissgerber, author of "The Musick Story,' was a descendant of this John Musick. Their children: 1-C Asa Musick b. 1777/78 m. a dtr of Benjamin Freeman (or Treman) The info on this line came from: Genealogy of the Musick Family and Some Kindred Lines by Egbert S. Musick, 1978: 2-C JESSE MUSICK, b. in VA ab 1780. M. 1st Hannah Gudgel, dtr of Andrew and Catherine Gudgel. Jessee was a soldier in the Battle of Tippecanoe. There, in N.W. IN on Nov 11, 1811, Gen Harrison's forces defeated a force of Indians. Jessee was wounded badly in this battle. Their children: 1-D Polly Musick m. a Vaughan 2-D Jenny Musick, m. a Stapleton 3-D Sally Musick m John Benson 4-D Betsy Musick m. a Lucas 3-C Robert Musick m. Sarah Roach If you will go to my family's website, I have info that is still being added to, on the older line of this Jessee. The address is: http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/sparky On the first page, click index and on the 2nd p. scroll down to the words, Nancy's Corner. Click and my picture will come up. Scroll down to the bottom of that page and you will find the MUSICK link. Hope this helps. Nancy S. Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:01:44 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: "NMorri3924 (by way of lfinnell )" Subject: Re: Musick As I mentioned before Jessie and Hannah are buried on the original Andrew Gudgel farm at Owensville Indiana. In the early 80's a young couple who were descended from Andrew were still living in the house on the farm. There was doubt at the time whether the house and farm would remain in the Gudgel name. I do not know what happened since then. I don't know anyone who lives near enough to check. If I had my scanner working I could post the pictures of the grave stone. Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:45:37 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL FARM-GIBSON CO., IN Ralph and others: A couple of years ago I contacted a Robert GUDGEL, who lived on the old family farm in Gibson Co., IN where our old Andrew and others are buried. He told me he was the 6th generation to live there. He returned some family group sheets to me which he had completed and spoke of sending copies to his "sisters" which were also interested in the family. It's been a while since I talked to him but I feel sure he is still there. Maybe I should get in touch with him again. Linda Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Csky10 (by way of lfinnell ) Subject: Re: Andrew Gudgel Welcome a new subscriber, Scott. Check his message below. This is the kind of success story we like to hear! Linda After carefully reviewing Bob Gudgel's home page, I know that I am one of the descendants of the same Andrew Gudgel. My research included a lot of the exact info. I was so exited to find you and Bob that I rushed over to my grandfather's house to share the news. He provided me w/ all the genealogy research he has acquired over the years. My grandfather is William Dix Williams. They are from Anderson Co. Kentucky. His mother is Maud Alzora Gudgel. There is so much info on the Gudgel Page that I dont know where to begin. You were right about Andrew Gudgel having three wives. My grandfather even had that fact in his notebook. Here is how I fit in the Gudgel Family..... Andrew Gudgel is my 5th great-grand father. 1 Andrew Gudgel +Elizabeth Payne 2 Jacob Gudgel +Drucilla Drisitell 3 Elijih Gudgel +Lydia Ann Bell 4 William Gudgel +2nd wife Elizabeth (Herndon) Bledsoe 5 Maud Alzora Gudgel +Walter Dix Williams 6 William Dix Williams +Carolyn Patricia Koenig 7 Linda Sue Harrington +Oscar Lee Harrington Scott William Harrington (ME) #4 William Gudgel was in the Orphan Brigade--my grandfather has one originial civil war letter from him to his father, Elijah Gudgel. I guess we have Gudgels on both sides of the war. I want to visit Gibson Co. IN. What should I see?? any tour groups?? Again, you can't imagine how happy I was to receive your letter. I almost gave up doing research on-line and had planned on cancelling AOL. You change that! I signed on the e-mailing list. Here is my address & phone no. 4012 Pinecroft Drive Louisville, KY 40219-3735 (502) 968-8333 Since your research took you to Anderson Co......Have you found anything on Albert C. Williams?? He was a traveling minister Thanks for being my needle in a hay stack. I look forward to many correspondences. Scott Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:52:39 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: HANNAH GUDGEL and JESSE MUSICK In the forwarding of some info. on this line I am unclear who said that Hannah and Jesse were buried in the GUDGEL(L) cemetery in Gibson Co., IN. Maybe it was forwarded from Ralph with a message added? Anyway- from the stones I got pictures of from Mr. Lasley-I don't recall there was a stone there for Jesse or Hannah. I will have to look at the pictures again. Maybe it's not there now???? Does anyone know for sure that at one time they were infact buried there? Linda Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:10:14 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: lfinnell Subject: Re: HANNAH GUDGEL and JESSE MUSICK lfinnell wrote: > > In the forwarding of some info. on this line I am unclear who said > that > Hannah and Jesse were buried in the GUDGEL(L) cemetery in Gibson Co., > IN. I said that. Ralph (Doyal Gudgel) > Maybe it was forwarded from Ralph with a message added? > > Anyway- from the stones I got pictures of from Mr. Lasley-I don't > recall > there was a stone there for Jesse or Hannah. I will have to look at > the > pictures again. Maybe it's not there now???? > > Does anyone know for sure that at one time they were infact buried > there? > > Linda > > It may be covered up. I saw it there but don't remember if it was flat or a monument type. I'll try to remember to take a look at my pictures of my trip to IA| and KY Ralph (My internet name) Doyal Gudgel Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:54:18 -0800 From: Dianne Subject: Re: Musick I found it interesting that the name Weissberger cropped up in the e-mail about the Musick family. I note that is the same name that appears on some of our earliest information from the 1920s that was done at the request of Miss Maddox (in Indiana I believe). So I would guess that the Gudgel researchers in the '20s and later were in contact with the Musick family at some point and exchanged data. It still would be nice to know more about who did the actual research and how they came to the conclusions they did. Dianne G-H From: Csky10 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:11:33 EDT Subject: The wives of Andrew Gudgel Hello everyone! My name is Scott Harrington and I just joined your mailing list. Andrew Gudgel is my 5th great-grandfather. I have so many questions to ask, however, I want to take this opportunity to say how wonderful it is to have all this sharing of information on line. I can really tell that the Gudgel Family really put a lot of effort in this project. Generations to come will really appreciate your work. I know I sure do! Please feel free to ask me any questions you might have. I am happy to share anything that I have with you. Most of my research contains only dates. I was so excited to see a picture of Andrew Gudgel. (I dont have any pictures of the Gudgels except for photocopied pictured of William Gudgel and his wife Elizabeth (Herndon) Gudgel. They are my great grandparents. William Gudgel was in the Orphan Brigade, 6th Ky. Inf. He was born Dec. 5, 1828. He died May 11, 1893. He was a teamster and drove "Old Joe" around. William Gudgel's remains were most likely burried at Salt River Cemetery at the time of his death,however, his name appears on his wife's headstone in Hebron Cemetery in Anderson Co., KY. The Louisville Courier Journal dated May 14, 1893 noted his death as follows: "Wm Gudgel, sixty-three years, intestinal nephritis, City Hospital" I do have some questions about Andrew Gudgel's wives. He had three wives. Elizabeth Payne is one. Who are the other two? How many children does Andrew have? What are their names and brth dates? Who was there mother? I have FTM on my comp and I have listed all of the children as being born to Elizabeth. How have you got there children listed? I hope to get to know everyone who gets this. Again, hello to all! Scott From: Bob Gudgel Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old Andrew's grandson's picture Welcome to the mail list, Scott (Harrington). I just wanted to clarify the picture of Andrew on the Gudgel web page. That is Old Andrew's grandson, which is John Gudgel's son. John is one of Old Andrew's sons. This is one of the pictures that I received from Victor Shackleton in Portland, OR. Again, great to have you here, Scott. cousin Bob Gudgel, Seattle, Wa. From: Csky10 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:49:59 EDT Subject: Blocked Mail Due to the adult material that I was receiving on my e-mail, I have activated my mail controls to "receive mail only from people on my list" I was disgusted w/ companies sending me junk mailings that included pictures of adult nature. Linda--please send me a list of everyone's e-mail address so I can include their address to my list. I currently have deactivated my Parental Control so that I can now receive mail, however, I will set these controls when I get everyone's address. Bob--I have no a problem w/ people sending me mail via gudgel-list@eskimo.com The problem was that people were trying to send things to my direct e-mail address and not the list e-mail address. Diane--I apoligize for the blocking you out. I was not blocking you in particular, but just adult mailings. I did not know you at the time I set my mail controls, therefore, I did not include you on my mailing list. I apologize. I will talk to my grandfather as soon as I can and ask him your questions and show him your e-mail. I think most of his information came from Linda. He only knew of one wife to Andrew and that was Elizabeth Payne. I will let you know. Linda--RE: Photo you saw at Orphan Brigade Kinship meeting you went to and saw a picture of Wm Gudgel. That was submitted by my grandfather. He also has a picture of Elizabeth (Herndon) Gudgel. I am confused myself on which of Andrews children belong to which wife. I have checked the Gudgel Home PG Archives and have the same info as Linda. Again, sorry if you were unable to send me mail directly. Scott From: CAY10 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:20:03 EDT Subject: GUDGEL Hi I too have been having problems with the adult mailing list and receive at least five a day and most often more. Can I make a suggestion that under the subject title the name Gudgel be used somewhere. I have a feeling I've probably deleted a lot of information, because I did not recognize it was on the Gudgel mail list. I prefer not to read all the garbage mail posted to my mail box. Marlene Harrolle CAY10@aol.com. Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gudgel list and junk mail filters If you want to filter out junk email and let the Gudgel mail list come through, remember that the word "gudgel" will appear in the e-mail header somehwere. Either gudgel-list@eskimo.com or gudgel-request@eskimo.com should be there. Check your email filter parameters and see if this can work for you. You might be able to use the wildcard character somewhere, like *gudgel or gudgel* or *gudgel* or something like that to help you out. Also, look closely at an e-mail header from the mail list to see what DOES appear that you might be able to use to distinquish this mail from junk-spam- garbage mail. Bob P.S. I meant gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com From: Bob Gudgel Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gudgel and junk mail filters (again) I meant to say in my last post, that this mail-list comes from gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com so that might be handy for filtering out junk mail. Bob From: CAY10 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:39:02 EDT Subject: GUDGEL Hi Bob Thanks for your response. Prior to actually opening the mail all that is shown is the date, sender, and subject and from these three I make a decision. It is only after opening the mail that "gudgel" appears in the e-mail header as "Gudgel- list". I'll try your suggestion on using Gudgel as a wildcard. Marlene Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 09:03:57 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Old Andrew I made a startling discovery. When Bob my son (don't let the name Ralph Johnson fool you) asked for a picture of the remains of the old Andrew Gudgel cabin at Ownesville IA I did better than that. I found I have a picture of the cabin before it fell down. Many years ago I was corresponding with Walter Harris of Springfield Ill a descendant and he gave me a picture of his Grandmother Lucy Thurman Gudgel I suppose. I haven't really checked the line back to her but I am sure. Lucy was the wife of William Gudgel the son of Andrew who was born in Indiana after he moved there from Ky. Or maybe he was born in KY before Andrew moved to Indiana.. I don't know. But nevertheless he was one of the three children born to Andrews third wife. The picture of the cabin remains is taken from a different angle that the picture of Lucy in front of the cabin so for all these years I haven't latched on to the fact that both pictures of the cabin are the same cabin. When Bob asked for the picture of the cabin I ran across the picture of Lucy. The thought occurred that she and her husband William might have continued to live in the cabin their father built. Sure enough when I started checking the construction taking into account the different angle and the ravages of time it is obvious that Lucy is sitting front of the cabin built by Andrew Gudgel in 1811. The albumen print is almost totally devoid of details. Albumen prints are made from a coating of egg whites and are susceptible to fading. Albumen prints were the primary method of printing from about 1850 to 1890. Fortunately I was able to copy it and make the best possible print as it was back in about 1970. Which isn't saying much. as it was pretty bad then. I suppose the picture was taken in the late 1880's. From memory I think she died in the ninety's. So considering the fact she was quite old in the picture I assume the picture was taken in the 1880's or early 1890"s. Bob will put the picture up on his web page when he gets his scanner working which I just gave him. Or by other means if he doesn't get it operable. We have talked so much about the old cabin Andrew built now you can see it. BTW it is made of huge logs. In the pictures not a real tree is is left in sight. Doyal Gudgel (aka Ralph Johnson) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: lfinnell Subject: GUDGEL CABIN Doyal- Thanks for the input about the cabin of Andrew GUDGEL. I would love to see the picture you have. I believe I have seen the one you spoke of as the "remains of the cabin". And yes, William GUDGEL, who married Lucinda "Lucy" Thurman, was born in KY, most likely in Woodford Co., as were his sisters, Nancy and Hettie. These three siblings were the only children of Andrew GUDGEL and Elizabeth PAUL PAYNE, his third wife. I'm still keeping an eye out for the PAUL family, Elizabeth's maiden name, as I have been told. Have only seen reference to it once. I think if we could ever find the PAYNE children, that Elizabeth had by her first husband, it may answer some questions about her. These children went to Indiana with Andrew, Elizabeth, WIlliam, Hettie and Nancy. Linda Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 16:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL mail list Hi to everyone! Sorry I have been so scarce around the list lately. I have been doing some extensive accounting work in the evenings for a friend and hope to wrap it up in the next day or two. Next Friday, May 15th, we are leaving for a trip to my niece's wedding in Massachusettes. Will be gone for a about a week. BTW, My niece is also subscribed to the list. Stacy GUDGEL GRANT will become Stacy GUDGEL GARCIA when she ties the knot with Alex GARCIA on Sun., May 17th. Stacy works for my brother, Sam GUDGEL, at his computer store in Fitchburg, MA. And Sam (who is also subscribed to the mail list) is a native Kentuckian-transplanted to MA a number of years ago. He can be back in KY a short time and quickly pick up that accent. Can't take the country out of the boy as they say! So, I will be back around as I can, will try and submit some more data before I leave if I can. You guys keep things going for me! . As a matter of fact, if time permits, my hubby and I want to come home from MA to KY through Uniontown, Fayette Co., PA. Probably won't have time to do much more than wave at someone but at least I can say I was through there! Just wanted to let you guys know I'm still around but have just been busy. TTYL, Linda Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:48:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL-List: Surprise Visit Hi to everyone! I wanted to share with you again! Last night I got a call from Beulah Moberly Smith, a descendant of John GUDGEL and Jane HARBISON. (John was the son of our old Andrew GUDGEL). I had corresponded with Beulah several times over the years, knew that she was an avid GUDGEL researcher, and was from Colorado (although I had never met her). Beulah, her cousin, Darrell Moberly and wife Mary, of Colorado, and a cousin, Twilla from Montana were at a hotel for the night located between Lexington and Frankfort. Seems they had a problem with their van and were having it fixed this morning here in Versailles. Anyway, I called our Curator at our local Historical Society and told them they were coming for a genealogy visit, explained what they needed to see on the GUDGEL's and then I would meet them for lunch at a nice local restaurant here. What a delightful group they were! I just wish we had been able to arrange for more time together-but guess we crammed in a lot of discussion over lunch. They were so impressed at how green everything was here (it hasn't hurt that we've have had a lot of rain and it is still raining). They got to see some of the area horse farms on their drive over U.S. 60. Some of you may have seen some of the genealogy data that they have put together on the GUDGEL's. I did take them several documents that they didn't have and they were thrilled to view several original documents at the historical society and the courthouse. Beulah is online but doesn't understand about email so when she gets back I am going to get her subscribed to our list. She is 73 years old but sure doesn't look like it. She is really excited about sharing and learning with all of us. They left this afternoon and are nearly halfway through their summer genealogy tour before returning to CO. I think they were going to Gibson Co. from here. It was sure a nice surprise for me and we even took a picture together (guess it was one of those Kodak moments we here about ). Diane-about the attic visit. The family I hope to visit is in Henderson, KY and at this point we are planning to stop on our way home from MA before coming home. Henderson is about four hours from me now and is located on the IN/KY borfer near Illinois. Just haven't been able to get there yet! Will keep you posted. I will try and check out the SW PA genealogy journals. We are still planning to make a stop in Brownsville and Uniontown, Fayette Co., PA. Not sure how much time I'll have but I think we should have enough time to check them out depending on what time of the day we get there. Anybody discovering anything new in your research lately? Linda Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 19:29:04 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL-List: Surprise Visit Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi to everyone! > I wanted to share with you again! Last night I got a call from Beulah > Moberly Smith, a descendant of John GUDGEL and Jane HARBISON. (John was the > son of our old Andrew GUDGEL). When I was in the Lexington Versailles Kentucky area in about 1984 anyone could go to the County Recorder at Versailes and look at the old original records. The books were in poor shape as you can expect due to age and neglect. The person in charge allowed records to be inspected no matter what the age. Very nice of course for me as I appreciated the opportunity to get to the original records and photograph them,. I don't remember what I recorded now as I haven't looked at them for some years. The clerk told me that they did not have the money to do anything to protect the records. I was wondering if they have done anything to the records yet. Do you know anything about the records at Versailles Linda? Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 06:28:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL: WOODFORD CO/. KY COURTHOUSE RECORDS In answer to Doyal's question about the condition of records at the Woodford Co., KY courthouse: I think our county clerk, Corinne Woolums, has done a fantastic job. She is always applying for grants to help with the cost of restoring the records in the clerk's office. Understand that funding through grants a long and tiresome job of paperwork that many clerk's won't take the time to do. She has had many volumes rebound and some of the older Will Book pages have been "encapsulated" (which is like sealing them in an acid free sleeve. I believe the state archives has done this through grants since the records are handled so much. A lot of KY counties have sent their "oldest" records to the State Archives to be stored. Most all of Kentucky's counties have also been microfilmed by the Archives also. I have been amazed at some other state's condition of records. Kentucky has done a wonderful job of preserving theirs. Woodford Co. was truly a gateway for pioneers traveling west in search of new lands. Sometimes they would stay a while and yet, many would only be passing through. For those who don't know, I work in the Courthouse in Woodford Co. at the Circuit Clerk's office. The records we are speaking of are in the County Clerk's office down the hall. Andrew GUDGEL and a number of his children were here for about 20-25 years before going to Gibson Co., IN. Woodford Co., KY is where oue old Andrew GUDGEL married his third wife, Elizabeth "Betsy" PAYNE. This original marriage bond is still on file there too. In fact, this morning, I am going down to work on our "Marriage Bond Project". The local Historical society (with the help of our county clerk) is going through about 9,000 original marriage bonds & minister's returns, etc. that are on file in Woodford Co. in bundles stored in drawers. Remember that some of these documents are over 200 years old and they are literally falling apart. We are using acid free tape to keep some of them together and eventually all are being copied and placed in acid free sleeves for public use. The originals will be stored and not for public use after this project. When the slow copying process is completed we will create a database for an inventory of documents and this information will be available at the courthouse and the historical society for public use. It's the only way to protect these valuable documents from the ravages of time. I have learned alot about protecting records in the last year through working with the historical society. Things about what not to use and better ways to do certain things. Interesting when you think we all have good intentions but just don't have the knowledge about preservation. For myself, I can always learn something new. Anyone care to share what record condition you have found in your searching? Linda Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 07:51:50 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL: WOODFORD CO/. KY COURTHOUSE RECORDS Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > In answer to Doyal's question about the condition of records at the > Woodford > Co., KY courthouse: I think it is great to save the records as you are doing. Appreciated the opportunity to look the records over when I w as there but was surpassed because they were falling apart as you said. I never could find the "Silver Creek Andrew was supposed to have built the grist mill on. Silver creek is too far away from Woodford county for him to have built a mill on and still have lived anywhere near Woodford county. I found the study of the Gudgel's in the Confederate army very interesting. They were in the midst of the war with several getting killed or captured. Some were in Morgan's raiders. Guess I will have to get back into the records. Doyal Gudgel > Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:20:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Lucy Thurman >From: "Lane Lance" >To: >Subject: Lucy Thurman >Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:20:42 -0400 > >Good Morning! > I have perusing the data this week at Kindred Konnections ( not much on >Gudgels so I went ahead and submitted all that I have. They have 16 million >names in family pedigree and growing) and was also in contact with a Thurman >descendant. I found Lucy Thurman's parents and grandparents, and her >brothers and sisters. What I am wondering is, if we have more complete data >on Lucy. All I have at this time is an approximate birth year and Virginia >as the possible birth location. I noticed on one of the letters in the last >week or so that some one has a picture of her taken between 1870 and 1890 >and wonder if anyone knows her death date. Was she buried near the Gudgel >cabin? I really appreciate this family news letter. Thanks Linda for >keeping this up. Debbie > > > Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:35:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: William GUDGEL & Lucinda THURMAN In answer to Debbie's question about Lucinda "Lucy" THURMAN who married William GUDGEL I am quoting from Genealogy Newspaper Columns of Robert E. Turman, pg. 395. William GUDGELL, the only son of Andrew GUDSHALL by his third wife, was born Feb. 11, 1801, in Kentucky and was a boy of 10 when his parents came to Indiana Territory. In 1824 he was married to Luconda (Lucy) THURMAN, a daughter of Henry and Sarah THURMAN, from Ohio. Lucy was born Dec. 22, 1806 and died May 9, 1887. Her husband died 10 years earlier on Jan. 22, 1877. William and Lucy GUDGELL had a family of 12. Their names were: Andrew, who married Elvira WALLACE and who was the father of Dr. J.E. GUDGEL; Henry Thurman , killed in the Civil War and buried at Pine Bluff, Ark.; Martha J., wife of William Henderson PRITCHETT,(one of whose sons was the late Perry PRITCHETT, Cynthiana's long-time funeral director and pionerr automobile dealer and garagemen); Nancy, wife of Lorenzo S. DOUGLAS; Jacob, who died at Clay Center, KS; Edward , who married Elizabeth "Betsy" BLYTHE; Sarah C., wife of Rice REDMAN of White County, IL; Nicholas, who lived at Oakland City, IN; John, whose wife was Nancy WITHERSPOON (parent's of Cynthiana's veteran town marshall of 1914 days, Ed GUDGEL); Caroline, wife of Leroy MARTIN of Ft. Branch, IN; Abraham, who served in the Civil War and who married Elizabeth WEED; and Harriet, who married William Henry YEAGER of Owensville. (Henry YEAGER was the oldest brother of Sarah Ellen YEAGER EMERSON, this writer's maternal grandmother; hence Henry was my great uncle. Henry and Harriet had five children). ************************************************************************ William and Lucinda THURMAN GUDGELL are both buried in the GUDGELL Cemetery in Gibson Co., IN located on the family farm. As far as the picture at the old cabin of Andrew GUDGEL, I have not seen this picture but would love to. Hope this helps. Linda Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 18:36:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Old Andrew's cabin picture Well, you might want to check out the Old Andrew's cabin web page which is available now from the Gudgel web page: www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgel.htm If you click on the smaller thumbnail pictures of the cabin, you should get the full picture. Also, there is a place to click for a magnified view of Lucy T. sitting in front of the cabin. Please, if you have corrections to what's there or ideas of things I should add, please let me know. I will try to massage the picture on my computer if possible, to make it clearer. And dad, on the back of the copy of the original albumin print, you mention that it's Lucy Thurman in front of her house, and at the bottom it says widow of Henry T. Could that maybe mean that Walter Harris was related to Henry Thurman? Also, does anyone know if Lucy and William continued to live in Old Andrew's cabin after he died? I heard that was possible. Is that why Lucy would be sitting in front of it? The picture may be old and faded, but I can see that she is a cutie! Linda, have a good and safe trip! Bob Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 19:00:57 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: Old Andrew's cabin picture Bob Gudgel wrote: > > Well, you might want to check out the Old Andrew's cabin web page > which is available now from the Gudgel web page: They have to have lived in the Andrews cabin after Andrew died as the cabin is the same one there still there in about 1950. Someone had to take over the farm after Andrew died. Although William might have been too young. But there were uncles to run it until he was old enough. If you had given the url we could have just clicked on it. Doyal Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 18:52:27 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: William GUDGEL & Lucinda THURMAN Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > In answer to Debbie's question about Lucinda "Lucy" THURMAN who married > William GUDGEL I am quoting from Genealogy Newspaper Columns of Robert > E. Turman, pg. 395. Turman has to be taken with caution. Some of his information is not dependable. It has to be checked out before depending on it. > > William GUDGELL, the only son of Andrew GUDSHALL by his third wife, was born > Feb. 11, 1801, in Kentucky and was a boy of 10 when his parents came to > Indiana Territory. In 1824 he was married to Luconda (Lucy) THURMAN, a > daughter of Henry and Sarah THURMAN, from Ohio. The names are probably correct. This might be useful. Somewhere I read that she was the daughter of a Senator from Ohio. I could not find a senator from Ohio with a daughter Lucy. Although there might have been. I just couldn't find it. On the other hand the senator could have been a state senator. Would make it harder to run him down perhaps. Lucy was born Dec. 22, 1806 > and died May 9, 1887. Her husband died 10 years earlier on Jan. 22, 1877. > > William and Lucy GUDGELL had a family of 12. Their names were: Andrew, > who married Elvira WALLACE and who was the father of Dr. J.E. GUDGEL; Henry > Thurman , killed in the Civil War and buried at Pine Bluff, Ark.; Martha J., > wife of William Henderson PRITCHETT,(one of whose sons was the late Perry > PRITCHETT, Cynthiana's long-time funeral director and pionerr automobile > dealer and garagemen); Nancy, wife of Lorenzo S. DOUGLAS; Jacob, who died at > Clay Center, KS; Edward , who married Elizabeth "Betsy" BLYTHE; Sarah C., > wife of Rice REDMAN of White County, IL; Nicholas, who lived at Oakland > City, I have a tintype picture of Nicholas. In part of his Civil War uniform or the uniform without the hat. This picture was in the Thomas Jefferson Gudgel family Bible. Thomas Jefferson Gudgel was my Great grandfather. It was common to buy a large leather bound bible for the centerpiece of the home. Marriages births and deaths were recorded in these bibles. I still have the bible Thomas Jefferson Gudgel bought for his family in Springfield Missouri when he got out of the Army in 1865. Unfortunately bibles bound with leather did poorly over time. Chemicals in the leather caused the bible to disintegrate. How much of its current condition is due to the chemicals or just the ravages of 125 years of so I don't know. However in this bible was his marriage certificate. In the marriage certificate page there were two oval cutouts for tintype pictures of the bride and groom. When I got the Bible in 1960 or so there was only one picture of Sarah in the Bible. The picture of Thomas had been lost. However I had another picture of him. A tintype picture is about 1 1/2 by 3 inches. I made a giant poster size picture of Sarah holding her hat in her lap with a ribbon hanging down on the right side of her head. Her eyes must have been blue because they were so light colored Blue turns out light in black and white pictures. Her hair was in ringlets hanging down to her shoulders. I can just sit and gaze into her face amazed that I am looking at my great grandmother as she looked when she was 16 132 years ago. In fact I feel I know her. You can get a similar feeling when you read original documents like wills, letters and other contracts your ancestors made. The bible had been through fire and flood. Originally bound with a leather cover and as a result the lye or what ever they use in leather destroyed the binding and parts of the pages. Or perhaps just helped destroy them. The treasured bibles in those days were the center of attraction in the living room. The wedding certificate would be a page in the bible. In this Bible the marriage certificate page had two oval openings that held two tintype photos. A tintype picture is about an inch and a half wide and three inches long. There are a number of tintypes loose in the bible that I can not identify. So sad not to be able to identify all these people. I would like to restore it but would be very costly. Henry T Gudgel, mentioned above by Turman, is not buried in Pine Bluff Ark. This is misinformation put out. I mentioned earlier that Henry T died in the civil war due to typhoid fever. His grave has never been found. Probably because he is buried in a mass grave with other typhoid victims. They put typhoid sufferers on pestilence barges if there wer a lot. No doubt there were many others due to drinking the MIssissippi river water. . Although I don't know this for sure that he drank river water we do know he got sick at Ft Holt in Kentucky across the river from Cairo Ill . This is close to the Union hospital at Mound City Ill a few mile up the Ohio river. It could have well been that Henry drank from the river and got the typhoid fever that way. Farm boys in the war had hither casualties from disease than city boys because they were not as used to the germ type living that the city boys were used to. This information came from the Photographic History of the Civil War by Francis Trevelyn Miller. In the volume on Hospitals. Anyway Henry died within 6 weeks of signing up. His other brothers signed up and experienced much combat in the war. The 28th Ill. Volunteers Reactivated held a burial service and then put a stone next to Sarah Johnson Gudgel. In the little town outside Springfield Ill. I'm too lazy to look it up. Sorry about that. A lot of people helped me try to locate Henrys grave but no one succeeded. IN; John, whose wife was Nancy WITHERSPOON (parent's of Cynthiana's > veteran town marshall of 1914 days, Ed GUDGEL); Caroline, wife of Leroy > MARTIN of Ft. Branch, IN; Abraham, who served in the Civil War and who > married Elizabeth WEED; and Harriet, who married William Henry YEAGER of > Owensville. (Henry YEAGER was the oldest brother of Sarah Ellen YEAGER > EMERSON, this writer's maternal grandmother; hence Henry was my great uncle. > Henry and Harriet had five children). > ************************************************************************ > William and Lucinda THURMAN GUDGELL are both buried in the GUDGELL Cemetery > in Gibson Co., IN located on the family farm. Outside Owensville East I think. > > As far as the picture at the old cabin of Andrew GUDGEL, I have not seen > this picture but would love to. > I am sure Bob will put it up on his web page. > Hope this helps. > Linda > > Doyal G Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 23:46:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL cabin, etc. My hat is off to Doyal GUDGEL for his research report on William GUDGELL and Lucinda THURMAN. Well done! I knew that Turman's genie columns were to be taken lightly and I should have said that when I quoted from his book. Thanks. And Bob- your presentation of the cabin pictures on the home page is well done also. Looks great! Linda Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jane McCann Walsh (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ON TRIP TO FAYETTE CO., PA I wanted to pass along this info. about Andrew GUDGEL's lands in Fayette Co., PA. At least it gives us an area to zero in on. Linda Linda, I'd make my first stop be the Pennsylvania Room at the Uniontown Public Library. You might want to make copies of the following pages there: The Ellis book "History of Fayette County, Pennsylvania" mentions on p. 466 that on June 10 1788 certain acerage was patented to Andrew Gudgel and the says that eight acres were sold October 18 1788 to Rees Cadwallader et al. (a group of Quakers). The area under discussion by the author was the Borough of Bridgeport. Again on p. 642 Ellis says in reference to Luzerne Twp. that at the December sessions of 1784 a road from Josiah Crawford's ferry to Uniontown was reported "by the viewers" and confirmed. The route was "from the ferry by way of Daniel Gudgel's . . . ." Which sounds as if it would place this land right on the Monongahelia River. The adjoinging land to Daniel Gudgel's is apparently called Merrittstown when this book was published in 1882. Others can give you better suggestions for more detailed research, I'm sure. Regards, Jane Walsh Oakland, CA Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 09:22:04 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Lucy Thurman Surely we could figure out by some of the later federal census records about when Lucy died? Has anyone looked for her in the 1850, 1860, 1870 etc census? Gee, I bet I must have looked. Maybe I should check my records too. And wasn't she getting a vetern's widow's pension of some sort? Dianne G-H Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 09:20:07 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL-List: Gibson Co, In visits & I hope that anyone who visits the Gudgel farm area of Gibson Co, Indiana will make an effort to find that land specialists call a complete physical location for the farm. It seems that some of our research into government records depends upon an address of sorts that we haven't been able to fully comprehend. So--anyone traveling there--please attempt to find all manner of physical address that you can. It might help locate Old Andrew's land records if they still exist. I would hope the local court houre might have some records too if they haven't burned as in other courthouses. And I am sure one of you have searched for such records? I'd like to know your results. Dianne G-H Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL List Just wanted to say goodbye to everyone. We're leaving early in the morning for MA for my niece's wedding and will be home about the 22nd. You guys keep the conversations going. I have unsubscribed to most of my lists except this one....don't want to miss anything :) If everything goes as planned we will stop in Uniontown, Fayette Co., PA on Wed. or Thurs. of next week. Would like to get two or three hours in if possible at the Uniontown Library. Will talk to you soon! Linda Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:18:14 -0400 From: Stacey Gudgel Subject: Gudgel List--hello Hello to all my GUDGEL friends! I am in Leominster, MA on my niece's computer and just wanted to say hello nd let you know that I am having withdrawals from my computer! The wedding was beautiful and we are so pleased to have gained such a nice young man into our family. We are leaving early in the morning for Uniontown, PA and are planning to stay the night there. We are about 8 hours away so the library will be closing tomorrow afternoon when we arrive-will research on Thursday a.m. for a while. Just wanted to let you know I'm thinking of you. Will let you know about the research when I return to KY on Thursday or Friday. >From Linda- in the beautiful new England state of Massachusettes! Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: similarities Penny G. ran into a couple more interesting similarities on Rootsweb: +Gatchel 1700 1962 ENG>ChesterCo,PA,USA nancairn +Gatchell - see Gatchel (nancairn) +Gutsell 1690 1960 SSX,ENG collkend SUBMITTED BY: collkend Collette Kendall, ted.kendall@virgin.net nancairn Nancy Cairns, NANC81647@AOL.COM Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:48:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL LIST- "I'M BACK!!" Hello Everyone! I'm back in Kentucky now and, yes, I missed hearing from you guys! The wedding was beautiful and the reception was great! With a live D.J. we couldn't resist boogyin' a little. My girls would have been horrified I'm sure! We truly had a great time. On our return trip to Kentucky we stopped Tuesday night about 9:00 p.m. in Uniontown, Fayette Co., PA and stayed at the Mount Vernon Inn. On Wednesday morning we went to Brownsville and drove through the area. (For those who don't know,....this is the area that our old Andrew GUDGEL lived in before coming to KY). Since I didn't know exactly where Andrew had lived we just had to be content to see the area. Brownsville was a "boomtown" in it's early days of the state but today it appears to have been bypassed by modern roads and industry that has drawn it's inhabitants to bigger towns. The town is very spread out and Uniontown is as well. At 11:00 a.m. we had returned to Uniontown to the Public Library to visit the Pennsylvania Room. Since Brownsville didn't have a Historical Society or genealogy library we had to go to Uniontown (still in Fayette Co.). Uniontown is larger than Brownsville but it is struggling with the efforts of downtown revitalization as are most small towns these days. The Library was nice and they had a Curator (Vicky), who was helpful at times. I'm sure due to being understaffed that she did as best as she could. There were probably a dozen people there when we were. I have to admit that I came away a little disappointed. There was not even a family file for GUDGEL or any of the variant spellings. I did find a family file (had to ask for them) for WOODFIELD/WOODFILL and GAUSE. I really didn't find anything that I hadn't already seen on GUDGEL, however, I did make some extra copies of Andrew's land in Fayette Co., from the Horn's Atlas. If anyone would like a copy let me know. We stayed about 2 1/2 hours and my hubby didn't bug me about leaving...actually, he was pretty helpful making copies, etc. (He is not into genealogy in case you hadn't guessed ). I did make quite a few copies of things that I will share with you as I get to them. I was a little perturbed that as I was leaving, Vicky, the Curator, said I should have gone to the Courthouse since I was searching so far back. At that point I didn't have time to go to the courthouse--but I think Terri Montigny went there last year, didn't she? While at the library there was a salt-glazed crock on a table with flowers in it. Written on the crock was "Uniontown, PA". Well, I decided I had to have one of these with Fayette Co., PA written on it! Vicky told me where she bought it so Gary and I struck out to find the Old Geneva Stoneware Co. in nearby McClellandtown, PA. My sweet husband was never negative about our "adventure" until we realized we went to McClelland, PA-not McClellandtown. PA. Still he knew it was something very special to me and we turned around and drove about another 30 miles! Is he a jewel or what? He really didn't complain but I could see the wrinkle in his brow a time or two...you know the look? So we did find the place and I had to order it. They are made at this place but were out of the ones for Fayette Co., PA. It will be shipped in 2 to 3 weeks. It is just something special to me...I guess a keepsake...to think I was in the same area at one time is special to me. Wish I had known more about where exactly Andrew lived. The whole time we drove through Pennsylvania I was looking at the mountains and wondering about our Andrew. What made him want to settle in that particular area? It is very green and LOTS of trees everywhere. The land appears to be very fertile. I wondered if these mountains still look similiar today as they did in the late 1700's. I am sure they do. My husband said he can't understand why the government complains about a shortage of trees.....says they apparently haven't looked in Pennsylvania! Well, thats about the extent of my trip to southwest PA. I'm pleased to say that I have been there but a little sad that there is so little to be found on this family today. Maybe it was too long ago.....maybe we have to be the ones to leave our research as a memory for future generations. Isn't it amamzing that one man was responsible for so many of us.....as his forefathers were to him? TTYL, Linda Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL-Food for Thought I found this just today on one of my mail lists and thought it was quite appropriate since I have just returned from the area our old Andrew lived in many years ago before coming to KY. Remember what I said about one man being responsible for so many of us being here today? It's also Memorial Day weekend so maybe this applies to all of us who have lost loved ones. Linda ************************************************************************ Dear Ancestor, Your tombstone stands among the rest; Neglected and alone. The name and date are chiseled out On polished marbled stone. It reaches out to all who care It is too late to mourn. You did not know that I exist You died and I was born. Yet each of us are cells of you In flesh, in blood, in bone. Our blood contracts and beats a pulse Entirely not our own. Dear Ancestor, the place you filled One hundred years ago Spreads out among the ones you left Who would have loved you so. I wonder if you lived and loved, I wonder if you knew That someday I would find this spot, And come to visit you. Author Unknown ************************************************************************ From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Sat May 23 19:21:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08981 for bgudgel@eskimo.com; Sat, 23 May 1998 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: cholmpp@corecom.net Sat May 23 19:21:04 1998 Received: from home.corecom.net (root@[199.237.128.11]) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08931 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 19:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corecom.net (anc8163-074.corecom.net [208.161.163.74]) by home.corecom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27851; Sat, 23 May 1998 17:58:01 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <35678389.DBA83188@corecom.net> Old-Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 18:18:49 -0800 From: Chuck X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Gudgel Finnell CC: Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gudgel's in the North References: <199805230048.UAA20870@fh101.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: gudgel-list Just a note to the list cousins to say that I am very wrapped up in my son's high school graduation and that my folks plus an aunt (also a Gudgel) from Spokane are here to join in the event. The sun even came out for them. So what with Sr Breakfast, Sr Skip Day (a sanctioned event), Prom, Sr Slide Show and a separate mini graduation of Loren's School within a school, I am wiped out. I don't recall that stuff when I graduated. Anyway, we are taking the opportunity to do some oral history with the family while they are here and are digging out old files so they can read my stuff which is very much in need of a secretary to put it in order. (maybe next yr). So that is why I have not been writing much, but of course I always tune in. Too bad, Linda, that you didn't find any thing in SW PA. But tell us what you did get and I will send some $ for copying it and sending it to me. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 00:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL-Bureau of Land Management & Linn Co., Kansas info. I found this information on one of my mail lists today and thought someone may want to check it out. It has some good information such as what Diane GUDGEL HOLMES was looking for in the way of a more specific location of Old Andrew GUDGEL's land in Indiana. It is a searchable database for Land Patents in specific states. I had to enter my postal code (zip code: 40383) and it only let me search the eastern states General Land Office. So Western or Northern postal codes may get something different. I found GUDGEL, GUDGELL, and WOODFILL entries in states such as Indiana and Missouri, however some other states listed were Ohio, Iliinois, etc. GUess it depends on your postal code. You will get info. such as Patentee Name, Signature Date, Document Number and Accession Number from one area and then on the other area you get Aliquot Parts (whatever that is), Section, Township, Range, Meridian and Accession Number. Check it out at: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/asp/choosea.asp Something else I found using GUDGEL on a net search was: William G. Cutler's History of the State of Kansas, Linn Co., Part 10: Under the Heading: Trading Post- It speaks of the area of Barnard, Linn Co., KS (Trading Post is the community I assume)- "the first deaths recorded in thae area were those of Jacob and Richard GUDGEL, father and son, which occurred at almost the same time, in 1872." Anyone care to comment or know who this is? Linda Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 00:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL: Woodfill Info. I will begin to share the Woodfill information I found in Fayette Co., PA with you. May take a few days to get it all to you. This was found in a family file at the Uniontown Public Library, Fayette Co., PA on May 19, 1998: Joseph WOODFILL 17 Sept 1754- 20 Sept 1798 Buried Taylor Cemetery. Joseph Woodfill served in the American Revolution as a Private 1st Class, Washington Co., Militia, Capt. Robert Sweeney's Co., 5th Batt. March 19, 1782. Family History of Joseph WOODFILL: Married 20 Oct. 1777 To Catherine GODSCHALL 1 March 1761-27 June 1828 6 children: Joseph WOODFILL- b. 4 Sept. 1784. Marr. (1) 24 Dec. 1807 to Polly HENYHORN, (2) 24 Dec 1817 to Hannah BOWER. Catherine WOODFILL-b. 25 June 1790. Marr. 25 Feb. 1810 to John SCARLOTT Mary WOODFILL-b. 16 Feb 1781. Marr. 4 Feb. 1801 to Benj HAINES. Elizabeth WOODFILL-b. 19 July 1795. Marr. 10 May 181_ to Thomas JACKMAN Rezin WOODFILL-b. 20 Dec 1792- 13 Jan 1878. Marr. 4 Dec. 1817 to Sarah DOTSON. John WOODFILL-b. 21 Sept 1797. No other data. ************************************************************************ Note: Having started on this I realize there are 11 pages total of this data and the compiler apparently is descended from Rezin WOODFILL. Since some of you may not be interested in the extended families of the WOODFILL family, let me know if you want me to submit all of this. Don't want to bore anyone . It does mention several cemeteries in Uniontown, PA and also the fact that the compiler was: Winnifred K. WOODFILL (1906-1992), single, and a member of Colonel Andrew LYNN Chapter of DAR, Daughters of 1812, and Colonel Dames of PA Hugenots Society of PA. (My goodness....I am impressed!). Let me know, Linda Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gudgel-More PA trip info. Good morning! Hope everyone got to sleep in on this Memorial Day holiday and that you will all be enjoying yourselves today. It is supposed to be a beautiful day for Kentucky weather today. (There's an old saying about Kentucky weather....."If you don't like the weather...just wait".) >From Colonial Records-Minutes of the Provincial Council of Pennsylvania, Vol. 9, pgs. 506 thru 509: (abstracts of interest only from me): The names of the Inhabitants near Red Stone.....Andw GUDGEON. Apparently the Indians wanted the White Men to leave the area of "Red Stone the Fort", (that's what it was called). It is very lengthy and if you want all of it-let me know. ************************************************************************ Fayette Co. Taxpayers: GAUZE, Charles. Luzern Twp., 1787 GAUZE, Enoch. Luzern Twp., 1787 GAUZE, Solomon. Luzern Twp., 1787 GUDGEAL, Andrew. Luzern Twp, 1787 GUDGEAL, Daniel. Luzern Twp, 1787 GUDGEL, Andrew. Luzern Twp, 1788 GUDGELL, Andrew. Luzern Twp., 1786 GUDGETT, Daniel. Luzern Twp, 1786 GUDGILL, Daniel. Luzern Twp., 1797 GUGEL, Andrew. Luzern Twp., 1785 GUGEL, Andrew. Luzern Twp, 1787 GUGEL, Daniel. Luzern Twp, 1785 GUGEL, Daniel. Luzern Twp., 1787 GUGEL, Daniel. Luzern Twp., 1788 GUTHEL, Daniel. Luzern Twp., 1799 GUTTCHE(?), Daniel. Luzern Twp., 1789 (Note variant spellings...no wonder we are having so much trouble!!) ************************************************************************ >From Veeche's History of Fayette Co., PA-pg. 642-Early Roads: ....A road 25 feet wide from Josiah CRAWFORD's ferry to Uniontown was reported at the December sessions of 1784 by the viewers. The route was from the Ferry by way of Daniel GUDGEL's, Samuel DOUGLAS' Mill (at Merrittstown), Amos HOUGH's Mill, and intersecting the road from James CRAWFORD's ferry to Uniontown, the course of which road thereafter being followed. ************************************************************************ TTYL, Linda Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 09:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL: John B. WOODFILL >From the Weekly News Standard Newspaper, Fayette Co., PA, October 24, 1912, Second Edition, 3:30 O'clock (Price Two cents-what a deal!): CELEBRATING HIS 90TH BIRTHDAY John B. WOODFILL, of German Township, Hale and Hearty, Quietly enjoying the Day. Still Able To Do Light Work. Resides near High-House Since 1860-News Standard Subscriber Nearly 50 Years. High House, October 24-John Basil WOODFILL, one of the oldest residents of German Township, is quietly observing his 90th birthday today at his home near High House where he has resided since about the year 1860. Hale and hearty despite the weight of 4 score and 10 years and still able to get around and attend to a little light work. Mr. WOODFILL still finds enjoyment in life, is fond of company and loves to tell his recollection of the past. He has lived longer than any other of his name so far as the family history shows. Two generations of WOODFILL's preceded this old man in Western Pennsylvania and three generations are his descendants. This non- agenarian's parents were Rezin and Sarah WOODFILL of East Bethelem Township, Washington County, where John Basil was born October 24, 1822. Rezin WOODFILL lived and died on a farm of 500 or 600 acres which he inherited from his father, who bought part of it from the Indians and _______ the other part by patent. About 50 acres of this original farm is still in the family, being owned by the heirs of one of John B. WOODFILL's brother, Rezin WOODFILL, Jr. John B. WOODFILL received his education in the common schools of East Bethelem Township. He recalls especially the literary societies and he says he gathered much information there. He stayed on the farm with his brother until the age of 28 years and was principally engaged in the nursery business. He also taught school two terms in his home county and one term after he came to Fayette Co. On August 7, 1851 Mr. WOODFILL married Miss Eleanor BROWNFILED of Georges Township, Fayette County. He then bought a farm in Washington County known as Denbeau and continued in the nursery business and sawmilling till he got up one morning to find his mill burned to ashes. He then sold his farm and in 1860 just before the outbreak of the Civil War, bought the farm of 180 acres where he now resides. He continued farming and was also very much interested in raising fruit. He set out one of the largest orchards in the county, kept it up from year to year and it now remains in fine condition. Mr WOODFILL has maintained an interest in public affiars and has seldom missed an election. He generally walks to the polls, a distance of about two miles. He is a Republican in politics. He was elected Justice of the Peace about 1880, served one term and then after seven years was again elected in 1892 and served another term. He has been a subscriber to the Weekly News Standard for nearly half a century and was a great reader as long as his eyesight permitted. Regular habits and the simple life have characterized Mr. WOODFILL. He has been an early riser, has lived on plain simple food and has never used tobacco or intoxicants. He has an even disposition and is usually free from worry and anxiety. >From the time he was a boy Mr. WOODFILL has loved music and been able to play. When a youth he made a fiddle and for may years he played it. About a year ago he started to make another fiddle. With a pocket knife and a soap box he worked on winter evenings until finally he had whittled out an instrument. And it was a good one which he demonstrated by playing a tune on it. Mr. WOODFILL has three children, 10 grandchildren and one great grandchild, little Charles E. SNYDER, of 85 Byrer Avenue, Uniontown. Mrs. WOODFILL died September 9, 1909, in her 80th year. The three children are Leondias, Charles C., and Miss Ida WOODFILL. Leondias was a school teacher for a number of years and is now engaged in civil engineering surveying and farming. Charles C. WOODFILL was also a school teacher and a few years ago he and his four daughters were all teaching school at the same time. He now lives in Uniontown and two of the daughters are still teaching, Miss Eleanor in the Uniontown schools and Miss Mabel in Redstone Towpship. The third child of this old gentleman, Miss Ida WOODFILL, lives with her father and looks after his comfort. ************************************************************************ Note: The mention of the first farm he bought was named DENBEAU.... isn't the name of the man who wrote the WOODFILL story named DENBO? Hmmm.....interesting. There was also a copy of this man's picture in the article but it is very dark. For those who don't know....the above John Basil WOODFILL is a descendant as follows: John Basil Woodfill Rezin Woodfill Joseph WOODFILL (who married Catherine GODSCHALL, said to be the daughter of Andrew GODSCHALL/GUDGEL.) That's all for now! Linda Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:17:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL: Woodfill Info. >Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:38:10 +0000 >To: Linda Gudgel Finnell >From: Daniela Moneta >Subject: Re: GUDGEL: Woodfill Info. > >Dear Linda, > >Please, take your time. I may have all the information on Rezin Woodfill, >anyway. I don't want you to key in lots of info that none of us may ever >use. I take it that you couldn't find anything new on Catherine GODSCHALL? >Wasn't Rezin the one that named his son, Andrew Gudgel WOODFILL? I guess >this is circumstantial evidence that Catherine was Andrew's daughter. > >Enjoy your holiday. >Love, >Daniela > >At 12:44 AM 5/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >>I will begin to share the Woodfill information I found in Fayette Co., PA >>with you. May take a few days to get it all to you. This was found in a >>family file at the Uniontown Public Library, Fayette Co., PA on >>May 19, 1998: >> >>Joseph WOODFILL 17 Sept 1754- 20 Sept 1798 Buried Taylor Cemetery. >> >>Joseph Woodfill served in the American Revolution as a Private 1st Class, >>Washington Co., Militia, Capt. Robert Sweeney's Co., 5th Batt. March 19, >1782. >> >>Family History of Joseph WOODFILL: >>Married 20 Oct. 1777 >>To Catherine GODSCHALL 1 March 1761-27 June 1828 >> >>6 children: >>Joseph WOODFILL- b. 4 Sept. 1784. Marr. (1) 24 Dec. 1807 to Polly HENYHORN, >>(2) 24 Dec 1817 to Hannah BOWER. >> >>Catherine WOODFILL-b. 25 June 1790. Marr. 25 Feb. 1810 to John SCARLOTT >> >>Mary WOODFILL-b. 16 Feb 1781. Marr. 4 Feb. 1801 to Benj HAINES. >> >>Elizabeth WOODFILL-b. 19 July 1795. Marr. 10 May 181_ to Thomas JACKMAN >> >>Rezin WOODFILL-b. 20 Dec 1792- 13 Jan 1878. Marr. 4 Dec. 1817 to Sarah >DOTSON. >> >>John WOODFILL-b. 21 Sept 1797. No other data. >>************************************************************************ >> >>Note: Having started on this I realize there are 11 pages total of this >>data and the compiler apparently is descended from Rezin WOODFILL. Since >>some of you may not be interested in the extended families of the WOODFILL >>family, let me know if you want me to submit all of this. Don't want to >>bore anyone . It does mention several cemeteries in Uniontown, PA and >>also the fact that the compiler was: >>Winnifred K. WOODFILL (1906-1992), single, and a member of Colonel Andrew >>LYNN Chapter of DAR, Daughters of 1812, and Colonel Dames of PA Hugenots >>Society of PA. (My goodness....I am impressed!). >>Let me know, Linda >> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:19:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniela Moneta (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Re: Gudgel-More PA trip info. Daniela-As a matter of fact I have seen the name Amos Hough several times in searching for our old Andrew. What a keen eye you have to pick up on that! Thanks, Linda >************************************************************************ >From Veeche's History of Fayette Co., PA-pg. 642-Early Roads: > >....A road 25 feet wide from Josiah CRAWFORD's ferry to Uniontown was >reported at the December sessions of 1784 by the viewers. The route was >from the Ferry by way of Daniel GUDGEL's, Samuel DOUGLAS' Mill (at >Merrittstown), Amos HOUGH's Mill, and intersecting the road from James >CRAWFORD's ferry to Uniontown, the course of which road thereafter being >followed. >************************************************************************ Hey, Linda, I wonder who Amos HOUGH was???? Remember that Andrew was supposably married at this time to Barbary HOCHs. I have never, never been able to find any HOCHs in reference to the GODSCHALLs, GUDGELs, etc. either in Fraconia (sp? sorry I am too lazy to look up the spelling), Chester Co., Fayette. I keep looking for a trace of Barbary's family, brothers or father. Well, this has given me something to think seriously about. Have you heard of Amos HOUGH before this time? Love, Daniela Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:13:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL MARRIAGE BOND----NEW FIND! Hi everybody! Great news....I think I told you about a new project I am helping with called the Marriage Bond Project here in Woodford Co. 6,000 marriage bonds, consents and ministers returns before 1850 are in very fragile condition in the county clerk's office and a group from the historical society has decided to copy each one and placed them in acid free sleeves for public viewing. A database is being created by indexing both groom and bride's names. This is no easy project and is truly a labor of love! Well-we are finding all sorts of misfiled documents in these bundles! And my good friend, Dona, found the original Marriage Bond for John GUDGELL and Jean HARBISON! I had the consent but had never found the Marriage Bond. I was so excited! Dated 1804 and signed by John GUDGELL (son of Andrew)! Only genealogists and researchers can appreciate this I suppose! As you can see...it doesn't take a lot to make me happy . Maybe there is still hope of finding the Marriage Bond of Hannah GUDGEL and Jesse MUSICK! I have looked for a long time with no luck. TTYL, Linda Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:57:45 +0000 To: Linda Gudgel Finnell , GUDGEL-List@eskimo.com From: Daniela Moneta Subject: Re: GUDGEL MARRIAGE BOND----NEW FIND! At 11:13 PM 5/25/98 -0400, Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: >Hi everybody! >Great news....I think I told you about a new project I am helping with >called the Marriage Bond Project here in Woodford Co. 6,000 marriage bonds, >consents and ministers returns before 1850 are in very fragile condition in >the county clerk's office and a group from the historical society has >decided to copy each one and placed them in acid free sleeves for public >viewing. A database is being created by indexing both groom and bride's >names. This is no easy project and is truly a labor of love! > >Well-we are finding all sorts of misfiled documents in these bundles! And >my good friend, Dona, found the original Marriage Bond for John GUDGELL and >Jean HARBISON! I had the consent but had never found the Marriage Bond. I >was so excited! Dated 1804 and signed by John GUDGELL (son of Andrew)! > >Only genealogists and researchers can appreciate this I suppose! As you can >see...it doesn't take a lot to make me happy . > >Maybe there is still hope of finding the Marriage Bond of Hannah GUDGEL and >Jesse MUSICK! I have looked for a long time with no luck. >TTYL, Linda > Dear Linda, That is very exciting, indeed! I can't remember if you gave us details on your project. Are you planning to publish these marriage records on your KY GenWeb page for Woodford County? I just looked at your page. It has a lot of good things on it. I am just amazed at how much is getting published on the Web. Love, Daniela Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:39:58 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL: John B. WOODFILL Linda, Sounds like we might be getting closer to finding out stuff with the interesting material you found on Woodfill. I noted that John B Woodfill's family was in Washinging Co, PA and so shouldn't we try to spend some time searching the files there? I bet we might find stuff. I have tried to find the SW PA Genealogical Services folks journals on Wa Co, but haven't found which library might house them. Does anyone else know? Good work Linda, I think we are making progress. Also, thanks for alerting us that the BLM records are now up on the web (or mostly so) so that we can find the file number and then go to the original file to find the really good stuff that we hope is hidden there. I know I have found good genie information in these files in Alaska for my research here and would assume from what I have read that it will be the same in the lower 48 for earlier in the 1800s. Sally Gudgel in D.C. did some work in her local BLM and archives on Andrew's land in Ind and we will publish what she found on this site as soon as graduation is over. It is a bit confusing but it IS something. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:26:26 -0400 (EDT) From: mjones@greenhills.net (mildred jones) (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Robert Gudgell Anyone know who this Robert Gudgell is? I assume it appeared in the Chillicothe , MO newspaper. Linda Hello Linda: I just found this in the newspaper Chillicothe Constitution 2 March 1905 >From Northwest Monroe (township) Mar. 1 by special correspondence--Robert Gudgell, who moved from this community some years ago to Lewistown, Mont. died Feb. 18. I don't know if this will be of any help but I remembered you needed Gudgell material so to you it goes. Good luck. Sue Jones Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:40:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gudgel-More on the WOODFILL data from PA >Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:34:37 >To: Gdgel-List@eskimo.com >From: Linda Gudgel Finnell >Subject: Gudgel-More on the WOODFILL data from PA > >Rezin WOODFILL b. 20 Dec. 1792, d. 13 Jan. 1878 Buried Taylor Cemetery >Married 4 Dec. 1817 >To-Sarah DOTSON b. 24 Apr. 1797-11 May 1861 Buried Taylor Cemetery >10 Children: >Joseph D. WOODFILL b. 30 July 1819, d. 14 Nov. 1900 Buried Taylor Cem. > >William M. WOODFILL > >John B. WOODFILL b. 24 Oct. 1822, d. 23 Nov. 1919 Bur. Jacobs Luth > >Mary WOODFILL > >Andrew WOODFILL > >James R. WOODFILL > >Melinda WOODFILL d. 22 Feb. 1855 > >Dr. Charles W. WOODFILL d. 21 Feb. 1861 > >Rezin C. WOODFILL b/ 9 July 1833, d. 3 Oct. 1894 Bur. Taylor Cemetery > >Lizzie Ball WOODFILL >************************************************************************ > >More tomorrow. It's late and I'm going to bed . >Sweet Dreams, Linda > Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:39:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL: WOODFILL INFO. CONTD.-FROM PA RESEARCH John B. WOODFILL b. 24 Oct. 1822, d. 23 Nov. 1919 Buried in Jacobs Luth Cem., Smithfield, PA Married- 7 Aug. 1851 To-Eleanor BROWNFIELD- d. 9 Sept. 1909 Buried in Jacobs Luth Cem., Smithfield, PA 3 children: 1. Leonidas D. WOODFILL b. 28 Feb. 1854; d. 19 Jan 1932 Buried in Jacobs Luth Cem. Smithfield, PA Married- To-Malinda NEWCOMER b. 31 July 1866; d. 26 July 1910 Buried Jacobs Luth Cem., Smithfield, PA 4 Children: Lenore F. WOODFILL 6 July 1892-13 July 1979 Rollin WOODFILL Florence WOODFILL Paul WOODFILL 2. Ida Florence WOODFILL 19 Mar. 1865- 21 Feb. 1948 Buried in Jacobs Luth Cem., Smithfield, PA Single 3. Charles C. WOODFILL b. 1855, d. 12 Oct. 1918 Buried in Mount Moriah Baptist, Smithfield, PA. Married To: Emma S. GLIOSAN (1861-1932) Buried Mount Moriah Baptist, Smithfield, PA. 7 children: Eleanor Florence WOODFILL b. 9 May, 1885, d. 19 April, 1969 Buried Mount Moriah Baptist Cem., Smithfield, PA Anna WOODFILL b. 29 Aug 1887; d. 11 Dec 1963 Buried Mount Moriah Baptist Cem, Smithfield, PA Married- To- E. M. SNYDER 3 children: Eleanor SNYDER-marr. ______ PHALIN Charles E. SNYDER James W. SNYDER Martha WOODFILL 6 Mar, 1890-29 Feb. 1980 Buried Mount Moriah Baptist Cem., Smithfield, PA Married- To-Donald B. BROWNFIELD 26 July 1889-11 Jun 1955 Buried Mt. Moriah Cem., Smithfield, PA No children Mary Elizabeth WOODFILL b. 16 Feb. 1894. Single Alice Kitty May WOODFILL 8 Jan. 1898-19 Dec 1906 Buried Mount Moriah Baptist Cem., Smithfield, PA. Single. Winifred Kathryn WOODFILED 4 Oct. 1906-Aug., 1992 Buried in Mount Moriah Baptist Cem., Smithfield, PA. Single. (Note from Linda-The children of Charles C. WOODFILL and Emma S. GLIOSAN are said to number 7-only 6 are listed. (??). Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:22:14 -0400 (EDT) From: kmahlberg (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: GUDGEL Hey all you GUDGEL researchers! Here's a new person interested in the line of John GUDGEL, son of our old Andrew. I am responding to her personally and hope you all will help her out with any information you have. Thanks, Linda I am researching the GUDGEL line. Things get fuzzy at a certain point. I have Andrew GUDGEL maybe born in PA (d. 1815, Indiana) father of John GUDGEL (no dates, born in KY?), John was father of Andrew GUDGEL (b. ca 1810 in KY d. ca. 1878 in Illinois)He lived in IN and had at least 3 wives (Betsy SHANER, Catherine ?, and Elizabeth SAMPLES). My Louis M. GUDGEL (b. 1857 d. 1935) was the son of this Andrew GUDGEL and Betsey SHANER. He moved to Colorado in 1887. This part is correct. If you have any information that would help me sort out the different Andrew's and where they came from I would greatly appreciate it. I have some information on Colorado and Illinois part. Thanks, Karla Mahlberg Cheyenne County coordinator Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:48:45 -0800 From: Dianne To: "kmahlberg (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell )" Subject: Re: Andrew GUDGEL's Indiana land 1830-50? Ok, folks, it is time to piece together the research that Sally Gudgel did for us at my urging in D.C.at the BLM land files and archives on three parcels of land in Indiana bought (with cash) by an Andrew Gudgel in 1836 to 1850. Who would this Andrew be exactly and does anyone know what happened to the land? Certificate 9164 from Jeffersonville Land Office, Jefferson Co, Ind in 1836 (40 acres) Certificate 33916 from Vincennes Land Office, Gibson Co, Ind in 1848 (80 acres) Certificate 35409 Vincennes Land Office, Gibson Co, Ind in 1850 (40 acres) Because this Andrew paid for the land with cash, the archivist told Sally there would not be personal information in the original file that we all hoped would be there. The certificates are all that exist and they don't contain any personal information. Perhaps if he had gone the other route like "proving up" or whatever they had to do in those days, the juicy data would be there. But apparently it doesn't. That doesn't mean that Old Andrew might not have a file because he always seemed to try to buy or acquire land in a legal way rather than just squatting on it. But so far Sally has not found any file. Maybe other of Old Andrew's children's land files in Indiana or elsewhere in the early 1800s would have valuable data. Does anyone know of other sons or grandson's of Old Andrew acquiring federal land early in the 1800s when they required so much personal information before granting the land certificate? In the early days, the feds kept copies of those land transactions while the local county also kept one copy. The copy in D.C. is likely the only one still left now though I suspect. Dianne Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:14:03 -0500 From: kmahlberg Subject: Some more Colorado Gudgels Hi, I spent half the night and most of the morning reading the Gudgel archives! WOW, what a lot of information. I'm thrilled and know my mother-in-law, Betty Lou GUDGEL Mahlberg will be, too - once she learns about it. As an introduction, I'm sending a copy of a from a letter written by Ardath Potts to Betty Gudgel Mahlberg, Betty gave me a copy of it several years ago. I do not know when it was written, Betty is out of town, will ask her when she gets back. So, here's the letter: “My mother is Mabel LEWTON FLIER. Her mother was Jessie GUDGEL LEWTON, daughter of David and Nancy Ellem SMITH GUDGEL. David and Louis Milhouse (Betty Lou GUDGEL MAHLBERG’s grandfather) were right brothers, having the same mother and father -- Andrew GUDGEL and Betsy SHANER; there was only one other right brother - Andrew, Jr. who died at the age of 20. Old Andrew married at least 3 times and had 12 children that we know of.” Now briefly -- those of us who have worked on this ancestry believe Andrew GUDGEL settled in Pennsylvania in the late 1600's or early 1700's. He was a German immigrant. He moved from there to Boone territory in Kentucky where he ran a mill. From there he went to Indiana. He had at least 17 children and it's unknown how many wives. One of his children was John GUDGEL. We believe John is the father of Andrew whom we know is the father of Louis and David. This is the way the line looks: #1 Andrew (?) Andrew John (?) John #2 Andrew - sure commmon Andrew David - sure Louis [GUDGEL] Jessie [GUDGEL] Oscar [GUDGEL] Mabel [Lewton] Betty Lou [GUDGEL] Ardath Andrew #2 was born around 1810 in Kentucky. The family moved shortly after to Indiana. Andrew #2 married in Indiana and had 5 children, then moved to Hancock Co., Illinois. Two children were born there. In 1849 his wife died at childbirth. He then married Betsy SHANER MILLER, who had 2 children by Miller. They moved to Pike Co., Illinois near Hull. This is where David, Louis, and Andrew #3 were born. The mother (Betsy Shaner Miller) died when the children were young and the boys were sent to live with friends and neighbors as Andrew #2 was not well. The family that took Louis in 1870 (census) was John LYONS. That is how he met Effie LYONS.” [k.m., whom he married in 1881] Andrew #2 found his health and married again and had 3 children. In the late 1800’s maybe 1878 Andrew #2 died. I know in 1880 one of the youngest brothers lived with David and Nancy. Louis was gone to Burnside, Illinois with the Lyon’s family. My grandpa and grandma and Orlie and Phoebe GUDGEL ADKINS moved to Cheyenne Wells for a short time. The returned to Hull and stayed from then on. Parents -- Andrew GUDGEL and Elizabeth SAMPLES: Here is a list of Louis’ brothers and sisters (have you heard of them?): 1. Francis Marion born circa 1834 Jefferson Co., Ind. 2. Rebecca J. born circa 1835 in Indiana 3. John W. born circa 1837 in Scott county, Ind. 4. Allen born circa 1839 in Indiana 5. Eveline born circa 1843 in Illinois 6. Calvin born circa 1846 in Illinois Marion died in York Co., Nebraska. Rebecca married Ezra Jessup and is buried near Liberty, Ill. John W. died of consumption in Civil War Allen and Calvin moved to Sherman and Dennison Texas. We know nothing of Eveline. Parents: Andrew GUDGEL and Betsy SHANER: 7. David Milton born June 13, 1852 Pike Co., Ill. 8. Louis [written by Betty, born Nov. 17, 1857] 9. Andrew born circa 1860 died at age 20 Parents: Andrew GUDGEL and Catherine (?) 10. Elmer born circa 1868 Illinois 11. William born circa 1871 died Oct. 20, 1906 buried Akers Chapel Cemetery Pike Co., Illinois 12. Ella born circa 1874 Illinois married Nathan BARNARD lived in Hull area This is the info we have. Would appreciate Louis and Effie’s descendants along with their forefathers. We want to move in all directions.” [Betty’s note: I lost Ardaths address before I got this answered] Anyway, this is what I had to start with. I will send more information on Louis M. Gudgel and his son Oscar Gudgel. Karla Mahlberg Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:25:34 -0500 From: kmahlberg Subject: GOTTSCHALL - DAR Hi, On reading the archives, I saw there were some questions concerning Gudgels and the DAR. Ancestry.com has 100 volumes of the DAR records on-line, so I checked a few spellings - it was late and I didn't try all spellings. I came up with three hits - none of them direct to a Revolutionary Gudgel. Here they are: The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 74 page 201 Mrs. Jennie Gottschall Comly. DAR ID Number: 73544 Born in Dayton, Ohio. Descendant of Sergt. Seth Watkins. Daughter of John Gottschall (1819-91) and Abigail Watkins Conklin (b. 1822), his wife, m. 1841. Granddaughter of Seth Conklin (1795-1850) and Lecta Watkins (1799-1884), his wife, m. 1819. Gr-granddaughter of Seth Watkins and Abigail Cheney (1775-1847), his wife, m. 1797. Seth Watkins (1755-1834) served as private, 1775, Capt. Ezra Badlam's company, Colonel Gridley's Massachusetts regiment of artillery; as corporal, 1776, Capt. Daniel Lathrop's company, Col. Thomas Craft's regiment of artillery; 1777, as quartermaster sergeant in Capt. Joseph Cole's company, Col. John Robinson's regiment of Massachusetts infantry. He was born in Easton, Mass.; died probably in Orange County, N. Y. **************************************************************** The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 87 page 284 Mrs. Katharine M. Kimball Scheu. DAR ID Number: 86889 Born in Lehigh County, Pa. Wife of Horace Scheu. [p.284] Descendant of Godfrey Laury, Michael Laury, Daniel Kuhns, Sergt. Peter Gross, Paul Gross, John Rockel, and Peter Klein, as follows: 1. George Franklin Kimball (b. 1832) m., 1858, Josephine P. Laury (b. 1839). 2. Hon. David Laury (1805-85) m., 1827, Maria Klein (1807-78). 3. John Laury (1784-1836) m., 1804, Maria Magdalena Kuhns (1783 1835); John Jacob Klein (1781-1857) m., 1803, Susanna Gross (1785-1872). 4. Godfrey Laury m., 1781, Susanna Rockel (1757-1829); Daniel Kuhns m. Christiana —; Peter Gross m. Barbara Troxell (1762-1834); Peter Klein m., 1762, Margaret Stettler (1741-1815). 5. Michael Laury m., 1756, Barbara Gottschall; John Rockel m. Catherine —; Paul Gross m. Maria Catharine Guth; Peter Troxell m., 1747, Anna Maria — (1727-95). Godfrey Laury (1756-1824) served as private in the Northampton County, Pennsylvania battalion of militia. He was born in Philadelphia; died in Northampton County, Pa. Peter Troxell (1724-1811) was private, 1778, in the 2nd battalion, Northampton County, Pennsylvania militia. He was born in Switzerland; died in Northampton County, Pa. Daniel Kuhns served as private, 1778-82, under Capts. John Moritz and Jacob Clater, Pennsylvania troops. He was born and died in Northampton County, Pa. Peter Gross (1761-1846) served as sergeant in Capt. George Klein's company, Lieut.-Col. Stephen Balliet's battalion, Northumberland County, Pennsylvania militia. He was born and died in Whitehall, Pa. John Rockel served as private, 1781-83, in Capt. Jacob Clater's company, Northumberland County, Pennsylvania militia. He was born in Northampton County, Pa. Peter Klein (1741-1819) served as private in Capt. Joseph Siegfried's company, 3rd battalion, Northampton County, Pennsylvania militia, 1778. He was born in Germany; died in Weissenberg, Pa. Paul Gross served as private under Lieutenant-Colonel Balliet, Pennsylvania troops. He was born in Germany; died in Whitehall, Pa. **************************************************************** The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 105 page 149 Miss Cora Belle Fiege. DAR ID Number: 104443 Born in Tiffin, Ohio. Descendant of Christian Kaup, as follows: 1. Henry Franklin Fiege (1840-97) m. 1864 Hannah Maria Kaup (b. 1842). 2. Benjamin Kaup (1820-84) m. 1839 Lydia Gottschall (1818-1902). 3. John Kaup (1783-1853) m. Hannah Bensinger (1788-1849). 4. Christian Kaup m. Sarah —. Christian Kaup served as private in Berks County, Pennsylvania militia. He was born and died in Berks County, Pa. **************************************************************** I'll try some more spellings tonight. Karla Mahlberg Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:43:47 -0500 From: kmahlberg Subject: Oscar GUDGEL obituary One more for now. This is the obituary of Oscar Lewis GUDGEL, son of Louis Milhouse GUDGEL. Cheyenne Wells news clipping, 1979. *********************************************************************** OSCAR LEWIS GUDGEL Oscar Lewis GUDGEL was born in Cheyenne Wells, Colorado, September 14, 1894 to Louis Milhouse and Effie LYONS GUDGEL. He left this life June 19, 1979 at the age of 84. Services were held in the United Methodist Church June 22, 1979 at 10 a.m. Oscar was preceded in death by both parents, one sister, Florence HARR, and one brother and sister who died in infancy. While a young boy he became a charter member of the local Methodist Church to which he was loyal all his life. He was the local town’s herdsman while a small boy. Later he quit school in 1913 to help support his parents. After herding cattle and trailing them he worked on his father’s farm. He married Dora SHERMAN on June 9, 1915 to this union were born four children: Omar S. GUDGEL of Salmon, Idaho, Elsie I. GRISWOLD of Ft. Morgan, Colorado, De Lewis A. GUDGEL of Basalt, Colorado, and Betty Lou Mahlberg of Cheyenne Wells, Colorado. In the 1920’s he became active in real estate with this father. Then in 1936 under doctor’s orders, he and his family had to move to Denver to get away from the dust storms. His heart always remained in Cheyenne Wells and he was able to return in 1940. He again became active in real estate and bought the house where he lived until his death. His survivors are his wife Dora, all four children, ten grandchildren, and six great grandsons. A large number of nieces and nephews. They will all greatly miss their loved one. Officiating at the funeral was Rev. Dallas Skidmore, due to the absence of the Methodist minister. Marge Richardson played the piano and Gary Bauermiester sang, “Sweet Hour of Prayer,” “Precious Lord Take My Hand,” and “How Great Thou Art.” Honorary Pallbearers were Ray Thompson, Vic Weed, James Giedd, Cy Vitera, Jack Larsen, and Lee Ross. Pallbearers were Lawrence MAHLBERG, Joseph MAHLBERG, Benjamin F. MAHLBERG, Tom WIEMER, Harold JOINER, Earl HELM, Calvin HARR, and Ricke HARR. Burial was at Fairview Cemetery with Brentlinger Mortuary in charge of arrangements. Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:10:47 -0400 (EDT) From: HAPPYWHW@aol.com (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Gudgel Inquiry Hey folks, Here's another new person looking for GUDGEL information. I will also answer her direct but hope some of you can help her out and maybe add to her lines. Thanks, Linda Dear Linda, We saw your inquiry on the Kentucky, Anderson County inquiry regarding any family related to the Gudgel family. My great-great-grandfather Richard H. Crossfield, Sr. was married to Martha Bell Gudgel on November 16, 1843. They had nine children. The second son was my great-grandfather Thomas Jefferson Crossfield, born December 31, 1844, baptized in 1867 and died on January 4, 1871. We have been eager to learn more about our Kentucky roots and hope that we are indeed related. I have a wonderful book, Kentucky's Fox Creek by Dr. Charles Crossfield Ware which was given to me by my third cousin Ms. Goldie Crossfield of Gadsden, Alabama before she died. Please contact us at happywhw@aol Sincerely, Roberta Crossfield Weideman Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:36:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gudgel-Greeting to Karla Mahlberg! Welcome to Karla and thanks for her information she has shared with us. I haven't had time to really study her info. but will as time permits. Some I had and some I didn't so this is exciting for me. And thanks for the DAR records also. Who knows, maybe one of these names will fit this puzzle at some point. Diane had questions about the Land Records in Indiana. Will get to this as I can. Going to a Historical Society meeting tonight. (Hubby calls it the Histerical Society (and sometimes I guess it is) . But we have a good time and enjoy it. Guess some of you are busy with vacations, etc. but I hope you will drop us a note now and then to let us know you are still around. In the meantime we will keep plugging away. Every little clue in the search is important. Talk to you soon, Linda Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:38:42 -0500 From: kmahlberg Subject: Oscar GUDGEL This is a 1965 article about yet another GUDGEL 50th anniversary. It appeared in a Cheyenne Wells newspaper. Karla Mahlberg. ***************************************************************** Celebrate Golden Wedding The golden wedding anniversary of Mr. and Mrs. O. L. Gudgel was held at the City Hall Sunday afternoon. Relatives and friends came far and near to join in this occasion and to help this couple celebrate. Mrs. Gudgel, in a silk rose pink gown, and Gudgel, in a brown business suit, were greeted by the large number who came to congratulate them on this day. They were married 50 years ago and have made their home in Cheyenne Wells since that time. They reared their family of four children here. Cameras flashed throughout the afternoon taking pictures of the bride and groom of 50 years ago, as well as of other relatives who were here. All of their children were here as well as all of the ten grandchildren. As each one entered the hall, Mrs. Elva COANE, who had charge of the registration book, had them sign their name. The long table was adorned with bouquets of roses, carnations and chrysanthiums and the four tier wedding cake in the center. After the bride and bridegroom cut the first piece from the cake with a special knife with two gold roses on the handle, nieces and daughters-in-law took over and served each one cake, coffee, punch and mixed nuts. They received a number of gifts from relatives and friends. One gift was tea cups and saucers with Fiftieth Anniversary on them. These were given by the grandchildren. They drank from these during the refreshment hour. The children are Mr. and Mrs. Omar GUDGEL from Seattle, Wash.; Mr. and Mrs. Dee GUDGEL of Salida; Mr. and Mrs. Mort GRISWOLD of Fort Morgan; and Mr. and Mrs. Ben MAHLBERG of Cheyenne Wells and their families. Other relatives present were Mr. and Mrs. M. M. BRONSON, Mr. and Mrs. J. E. HILL, Mrs. and Mrs. N. F. HILL and Mr. and Mrs. P.G. GAMET, all of Denver; Mr. and Mrs. Tom WEIMER of Fort Collins; Mrs. Jessie LEWTON and Mrs. Hazel GRAY of Hull of Illinois; Mrs. Sylvan HAMPSHIRE of Macon, Mo.; Mr. and Mrs. Wilbur HARR and his mother, Mrs. Florence HARR, of Denver; Mr. and Mrs. George FULTON of Corpus Christi, Tex; Lou SHERMAN of Gravois Mills, Mo.; and Howard LAMBERT from Yuma. Close friends who came from a distance were Mary Beters of Basalt; Mr. and Mrs. Dewey Compher of Yoder; Irene Wezel of Hillrose; Mr. and Mrs. Herman Todd of Denver; Mr. and Mrs. Art Welle from Arizona; Mr. and Mrs. Dwight Williams of Nekoma, Kan.; and Mr. and Mrs. J. Travis of Amarillo, Tex. June 1965. Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:32:05 -0500 From: kmahlberg Subject: Louis Milhouse GUDGEL, Colorado The following is a 1931 news article concerning the 50th wedding anniversary of Louis Milhouse GUDGEL and Effie LYONS. Karla Mahlberg ********************************************* Source: news clipping in old scrap book, item dated - 1931. Probably Cheyenne Wells paper. CELEBRATED GOLDEN WEDDING Wedding bells that rang fifty years ago for Mr. and Mrs. L. M. GUDGEL, rang again Sunday evening, April 26th when they celebrated their golden anniversary here. This pioneer couple was married in Burnside, Illinois, in 1881, and in 1883 came to Ft. Scott, Kansas. On October 25th, 1887, they came to Colorado and located in Denver where they lived a year and a half. While on their trip through the country they decided that Cheyenne county looked the best to them and in the spring of 1888 came and filed on a homestead. While Mr. GUDGEL was busy improving their place and farming. Mrs. GUDGEL helped to do her mite by teaching the first school that was ever taught in the eastern part of the county, which is now known as Arapahoe school district. Mr. GUDGEL served several years as surveyor and four years as assessor. During the big land boom, he went into the real estate business and was appointed immigration agent by the U.P. rail road. They have always had great faith in the future development of eastern Colorado and have been good boosters. To this union four children were born, two of which are living: Oscar L., of Cheyenne Wells, Colo., who is a partner with his father in the real estate business, and Mrs. Florence J. HARR, of Leadville, Colo., whose husband is an employee of the Public Service company. A host of friends gathered at the home to wish them many more happy years. Mr. GUDGEL is seventy-three years old and says he is going to be boss the next fifty years. Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:16:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL-New Info. on GUDGEL's that went West I am pringting off all the info that Karla Mahlberg is contributing. Thanks, Karla. I didn't have a lot on some of these lines except for the line of Francis Marion GUDGEL and his kin...so I'm happy to have it. Bob, Just how many subscribers do we have now? About 26? I really enjoyed the data about the anniversary clippings that Karla sent. Does anyone else have articles such as these? Karla. please tell us a little about yourself. What you do, where you grew up and now reside, etc. Family? TTYL, Linda Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: subscribers Well, it looks like we have about 30 subscribers right now to the list. I am curious about Smitty though. Smitty, if you're there, let us know. I changed to the new address that I got, but mail came back as undeliverable so I changed it back to the nut-n-but.net address. If anybody else is having problems, don't hesitate to let me know and I'll see what I can do. (bgudgel@eskimo.com) Bob (list deleted for spam's sake) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL-Thanks to Bob for the list of subscribers! Hi folks- Guess all of you saw we have 30 subscribers now! TERRIFIC! We are growing. Bob has put a lot of time and trouble into putting this together for us so let's not disappoint him....We must have a bunch of "sleepers" out there. :) Surely someone has a question about a long lost cousin???? In answer to Karla Muhlberg's data about her line of Andrew GUDGEL (ca. 1809-1878) and Elizabeth SHANER MILLER: I didn't have the children of David Milton GUDGEL and Nancy Ellen SMITH, so I was really glad to get that from you. Would you also check the birth year for David Milton GUDGEL-I had June 13, 1855 Pike Co., IL (you had 1852). Could be a typo on my part. I also had a date of death on Ella GUDGEL (dau. of Andrew GUDGEL and Catherine (unknown) as : Sept. 2, 1958 Pittsfield, Pike Co., IL. I may have other data on some of the descendants of these you listed (from my mail survey I did several years ago-some I haven't been able to "place"). Will have to check. Think I have some info. on Elmer GUDGEL's line. Would like for some of you subscribers to share some info. on your related lines. Never know who else may be looking for that family. TTYL, Linda Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:55:39 -0400 (EDT) From: HAPPYWHW@aol.com (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Gudgel Inquiry More information from Roberta CROSSFIELD WEIDMAN. Hope we will get her subscribed to the list shortly. I emailed her privately and made sure she had the right email address for the GUDGEL page. Linda Dear Linda, How wonderful to get your response to my inquiry. I would like more information on the upcoming annual Crossfield Reunion held in Anderson Co., Kentucky in July. It would be great to meet all of you. We are travelling to Italy the first part of September and will celebrate our 35th wedding anniversary there. I tried to check out the Gudgel home page but was unable to get on. The address you gave me was: http://www.eskimo.com/`bgudgel/gudgel.htm. I would very much to visit your site. In my initial message to you, I inadvertently stated that my great-grandfather Thomas Jefferson Crossfield died on January 4, 1971. He died July, 1915. It is so interesting that he and his brother George Washington Crossfield were baptised the same year (do you think on the same date?). My brother Robert Thomas and I were baptised on the same date. Linda, I would so love to have the family tree of our family. Miss Goldie Crossfield gave me a great deal of information which I loaned to another member of the family who has been unable to locate it. Therefore, I need to get the information together. Do you have the parents and grandparents of my great-great-grandparents? Also, do you have our lineage back to England? My husband and I travel to Europe several times a year and have just returned from two weeks in England. We have found several Crossfields in the telephone directories (I believe one was near Leeds Castle). We were in the Rememberance Memorial in Edinburgh and looked up the names of the Crossfields who had died serving in the different wars. Some of them were from Leeds, England. Do you know the year our first relatives came to America? There is just so much we would like to find. My husband is retired now as an aeronautical Systems Engineering Manager for Lockheed Missiles and Space Co. in Sunnyvale on the Polaris, Poseidon and Trident missiles programs. Our son, Mark was awarded a scholarship from NASA and Virginia Tech and earned his master's degree in mechanical engineering. He works at Lockheed Advanced Development Company (SkunkWorks) and is working on structural composites for the X-33, Lockheed Martin's new space shuttle vehicle. We live in Saratoga, California which is in Silicon Valley. It's a great place to live with usually beautiful weather with the exception of this year's El Nino. We are less than 20 miles from the Pacific Ocean and live in the blue hills of Saratoga. Please tell us about you and your family. Sincerely, Roberta Crossfield Weideman From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Moberly Picnic and GEDCOM and familytreemaker Months ago, before this list was started, I was talking to Victor Shackleton, that I found through his postings to Family Tree Maker. His wife, Roberta (Moberly) S. is related through Old Andrew's son John (b. 1776) +wife Jane Harbinson. Anyway they turned into Moberlys around 1885 and I just got an invite to their family picnic for Sunday July 12th near Vancouver Washington. (Victor mentioned this long ago) Darrel & Mary Moberly and Beula Smith are also related to them and have done a lot of research on Gudgels themselves. It is kind of exciting, and I'm really looking forward to meeting these long lost cousins. This line is detailed in gedcom form on the Gudgel site, too. This is cool! Also, I got a Family Treemaker file from Kim Gudgel here in Washington, and he's already done so much of my work for me, I think I'll tack my family into the correct branch of his file. That should be uploaded to the web site's gedcom area with or without my family additions very soon. I'm curious as to how many of you have this program or a gedcom file aware program. It's pretty inexpensive and it does a pretty good job. Bob From: "Nancy Teel Miller" Subject: Introduction Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 21:42:07 PDT I've been "lurking" here for a couple of weeks and I guess it's about time I in troduced myself. Before I put out too much information here, I'd like someone to tell me about the "archives" that Karen referred to. If I was told about them, I missed it. Nearly four years ago, I put out a query on "Old Andrew" and received about 4 responses, one of them Linda's. I became rather confused with so much (some of it conflicting) information, and didn't do much more than exchange information with each of them. That was before many of us were into the electronic corresp ondence. Recently, I happened on Diane Gudgel-Holmes query and wrote to her postal mail. She responded by e-mail and told me about the list, and the web page and here I am. I am descended from Old Andrew and his last (3rd?) wife Elizabeth Payne, through their daughter Nancy Jane GUDGEL TEEL. She was born 2 Dec 1797 in KY and mar ried William P. TEEL (1 Jun 1787-12 Jun 1831) 9 Jul 1816 in Gibson Co., IN. She did not die until 6 Oct 1878 after 5 children and a brief 2nd marriage to Dav id THOMAS, on 19 Mar 1849. By the 1850 census she was living with her daughter Maria(h) TEEL McKEDDY and family, in 1860 she was with her youngest daughter Harriet TEEL BRYANT and in the 1870 census (all in Gibson Co., IN) she was with the only child that she did not outlive, Nicholas TEEL. I have a "bible" record (a torn out page from what, I don't know) listing the children and their birth dates, circumstantial or cemetery evidence of their deaths, and Gibson county marriage records for all five, as follows: Elizabeth TEEL b.17 Jun 1817 and d.ca 1844/45 Gibson Co. m. Jackson Deazmon WITHERSPOON 23 Mar 1837 I have 105 of their descendants in my data base and am in touch with two of the m who have helped me gather the information. Maria(h) TEEL b.14 Mar 1819 and d.20 Jul 1858, buried Providence Cemetery, Gib son Co., IN m. Thomas H. McKEDDY 5 Jan 1842 I have 211 of their descendants in my data base and have been in touch with two of them who have given me much information. Nicholas TEEL b.21 Jul 1821 d.31 Jul 1889 buried in Blythe Chapel cemetery in Gibson Co., IN as is his wife who he married 23 Nov 1841. Mary Jane BLYTHE This family has not been as prolific as the above two, and I have only 66 desce ndants which may be all there are. This line stayed in Gibson Co. for a long time, but I'll tell you more about it (and about me, another time) Mary Jane "Polly" Teel b. 1 Apr 1823 d. after 1850 Logan Co., IL m. Isaac MONTGOMERY 23 Nov 1841 Their five children are all that I know of their descendants. Harriet Jane TEEL b.2 Mar 1829 and d. before 1870 m. John T. Bryant 20 Jan 1853 They had several children, but I have not encoutered any descendants yet, so haven't straightened out which are her's and which are his next wife's. All four of the above girls died fairly young and each of the husbands married again, at least once. I know one of the girls died in childbirth (Maria) and I suspect that the others may have too. Just briefly, I was born Nancy Katherine TEEL 17 Nov 1932 in Missoula, MT, marr ied there 14 Aug 1954 to William (Bill) E. Miller. I retired about 5 years ago and got rather addicted to genealogy. We like to travel so I'm not always here to respond to e-mail, but I eventually catch up with what accumulates when I'm gone. We retired to Tehachapi, CA on our acre of land where we enjoy four seasons and lots of birds and wildlife. I also have quite a bit of information on the descendants of Hannah GUDGEL and Adam TEAL (a brother of William TEEL). I will save that for another time after I've seen what is in the archives. Nancy Teel Miller nteel@lightspeed.net 29950 Horsethief Drive Tehachapi, cA 93561 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: subscribers Well, it looks like we have about 30 subscribers right now to the list. I am curious about Smitty though. Smitty, if you're there, let us know. I changed to the new address that I got, but mail came back as undeliverable so I changed it back to the nut-n-but.net address. If anybody else is having problems, don't hesitate to let me know and I'll see what I can do. (bgudgel@eskimo.com) Bob (list deleted for span's sake) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:02:50 -0400 (EDT) From: kmahlberg (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Re: GUDGEL-New Info. on GUDGEL's that went West Hey folks-Meet Karla MAHLBERG. Thanks, Karla. How about some of you others on the list....? Hi Linda, I am married to a GUDGEL descendant, Larry MAHLBERG (b. 1951), son of Betty Lou GUDGEL and Ben MAHLBERG. He was born and raised in Cheyenne Wells, CO. He is a graduate of Colorado School of Mines and works for British Petroleum. His parents and a sister, Kathy, live in Cheyenne Wells. Larry has 4 siblings: Betsy, Joe, Kathy and Ben. They all live in Colorado. I am Karla NEUHAUSER (b. 1952) in Washington, D.C. I lived in D.C. until I was 3 then moved across the river to Arlington. When I was 10 we moved to Tucson, Arizona where I stayed until I finished college in 1974. My father died in 1965. My mother lives in NC near her childhood home. She raised 8 children single-handed: Sieglinde, Lorelei, Astrid, Karla (me), Lettie, Roy, Fritz, and Erika. They live everywhere from California to Germany. In 1976, Larry and I worked for the same company in different towns, but we met in Houston, TX. We both transfered to Denver, CO. This is where we actually got to know each other. Then, in 1979 we worked for different companies and both transferred to Houston. We decided this meant something. We were married in Cheyenne Wells on Sept. 20, 1980. We moved from Houston (via Mississippi) to Lucas, Collin Co., TX (northeast of Dallas) in 1982 and have been here ever since. We have 3 children: Jonathan (b. 1983) ; Natalie (b.1985); and Patrick (b. 1992). I quit my job with Sun Oil (seismic data analyst) when Jonathan was born. I decided the kids were more important. I planned to go back to work when Natalie started school full-time, but before that happened Patrick came along. This re-arranged my whole thought process (or maybe it is just old-age). Patrick starts school full-time this fall (Yippee!) and I will be doing something! ???? Our home is on 3 acres in a semi-rural area, that is slowly being eaten up by development. The only good thing I see - is that someday I won't have to drive 8 miles for groceries. We have two miniature horses, 10 zebra finches, 3 iguanas, and a fish aquarium. All my cats and dogs have died of old age over the last year. I have been hesitant to get more, it has been so sad. The kids will drive me crazy if we don't get a dog - soon. Hobbies: computers, genealogy, history, reading, animals, gardening, oil painting, photography, cross-stitch, etc. I volunteer at the grade school and the middle school and serve on both PTA boards. This fall I will have 3 schools, so I will have to be more selective about volunteering. I'm also serving as the Cheyenne County coordinator in Colorado (USGenWeb project). I have been approved and will soon be a member of the National Society Daughters of the American Colonists (DAC). I became interested in genealogy years ago on a trip to NC. My mother's family has been there for generations (since before the county was formed). I became fascinated and had to find out more about these people. This lead me to my father's family history - which I am slowly unraveling. Which of course lead me to Larry's family history. Betty Lou has helped by passing on anything she finds. I am slowly gathering information in all directions. I wish I could travel to the various places I am researching, but with kids in school it is difficult. Anyway, I hope this gives you an idea on who we are. I have spent hours reading the Gudgel archives and feel I have gotten to know some of you. You sound like a fun group. I look forward to communicating with you. Karla Mahlberg Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 20:33:04 -0500 From: kmahlberg Subject: Re: GOTTSCHALL - DAR Dianne, I tried the GUDGEON spelling and didn't find anything. But I did come up with something else: DAR Lineage Books (100 vols) GOTSCHALL - 4 Combined Matches ---------------------------------------------------------------- The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 13 ADDITIONAL ANCESTORS.page 129 Mrs. Theresa Van Anda Bruchholz. DAR ID Number: 12329 Born in Ohio. Wife of August Frederick Bruchholz. [p.129] Descendant of Levi Adams, of Connecticut; Michael Gotschall, of Pennsylvania. - Daughter of Rev. Carmi A. Van Anda and Elizabeth S. Clapp, his wife. - Granddaughter of Arnold Clapp and Lovisa Adams, his wife; James W. Van Anda and Catherine Gotschall, his wife. - Gr.-granddaughter of Levi Adams and Ruth Stephens, his wife; Michael Gotschall, Jr., and Catherine Dently, his wife. - Gr.-gr.-granddaughter of Michael Gotschall and Catherine Motter, his wife. Levi Adams enlisted in Sheldon's Light Dragoons and at the close of the war received an honorable discharge for over three years' service. He was born at Simsbury, Conn., 1762, and died at Martinsburg, N. Y., 1831. Also No. 8890. Michael Gotschall, 1776, served in the Jerseys in Capt. Barnard Zimmerman's company, Col. Mathias Slough's regiment. He died in Northumberland county, 1817. Also Nos. 3237, 4339. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 13 ADDITIONAL ANCESTORS. page 130 Mrs. Laura Frick Harrington. DAR ID Number: 12332 Born in Pennsylvania. Wife of Albert Harrington. Descendant of Michael Gotschall. - Daughter of William Frick and Mary Wilson, his wife. - Granddaughter of John Frick and Elizabeth Gotschall, his wife. - Gr.-granddaughter of Michael Gotschall and Catherine Motter, his wife. See No. 12329. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 14 page 283 Miss Katharine Frick Dill. DAR ID Number: 13756 Born in Pennsylvania. Descendant of Michael Gotschall, of Pennsylvania. - Daughter of Andrew H. Dill and Catherine Slifer, his wife. - Granddaughter of Eli Slifer and Catherine Motter Frick, his wife. - Gr.-granddaughter of John Frick and Anne Elizabeth Gotschall, his wife. - Gr.-gr.-granddaughter of Michael Gotschall and Catherine Motter, his wife. - Michael Gotschall, (1732-1817), enlisted, 1776, in Capt. Barnard Zimmerman's company, under Col. Mathias Slough. Also Nos. 3237, 4339, 12329. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 51 page 165 Mrs. Nellie Blewett Colson. DAR ID Number: 50364 Born in Fremont, Neb. Wife of Paul Colson. Descendant of Michael Gotshall, of Pennsylvania. - Daughter of Edward Blewett and Carrie Van Anda, his wife. - Granddaughter of James Van Anda and Catherine Gotschall, his wife. - Gr-granddaughter of Michael Gotschall, Jr., and Catherine Dently, his wife. - Gr-gr-granddaughter of Michael Gotshall and Catherine Motter, his wife. Michael Gotshall (1732-1818), in 1776, served in the Jerseys in Capt. Barnard Zimmerman's company, Col. Mathias Slough's regiment. He died in Northumberland County. Also Nos. 3237, 4339, 12329. ************************************** These are all for the same Michael GOTSHALL. I don't remember seeing anything in the Gudgel archive for this name, but thought it might interest someone. I also found the following: ************************************** Naturalizations of Foreign Protestants in the American and West Indian Colonies. [The following certificales for this Colony have not been entered into the Entry Book.] C. O. 5. 1276. Jurors' Names.: FRRDERICK GOTTSHALT. Township.: Bern. County.: Berks. Sacrament when taken.: July 28, 1765. Naturalizations of Foreign Protestants in the American and West Indian Colonies. [The following certificales for this Colony have not been entered into the Entry Book.] C. O. 5. 1276. Affirmers' Names.: JACOB GOTTSHALT. Township.: Cole Brookdale. County: Berks. ********************************************* This is a list of some of the other names: [p.161] Index of Persons. Gotschall, Nicholas, 83. Gotshall, Christr., 67. —, Herman, 16. Gottschalt, George, 99. Guttshall, Pater, 61. Gottshalt, Frederick, 112. [p.170] Gottshalt, Jacob, 138. ********************************************* I'm assuming the number after the name refers to a page. The description of the index is: The Lords Commissioners for Trade and Plantation established the act for naturalization in the American and West Indian colonies in 1740. Pursuant to that act, commissioners in the Americas sent records back to England detailing those foreign protestants who were naturalized in the colonies. This collection of those naturalization records contains important information from 1740 until about 1782 when the commission was dissolved. Divided by location, names are given of naturalized persons. Although designed just to record protestants, New York lists also include some Jews and Quakers. Some states’ records are more complete than others, New York being thought most inclusive while Virginia is thought least comprehensive. Bibliography: M.S. Guiseppi, ed. Naturalizations of Foreign Protestants in the American and West Indian Colonies. London: Huguenot Society Publishing, 1921. ********************************************* Well, that is all I found today! Karla From: "Lane Lance" Subject: Gattschalks Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:53:57 -0400 Hi all, I was doing some research on the Palatine area of Germany and found a very interesting history that I thought you might like to read. It explains why the Gattschalks may have spent some time in England and why they left Germany. I have a very good German friend who explained that if we can just get the family into the ancestral town in Germany that the work should be done for many generations. Apparently the Germans were excellent record keepers. The address is http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3955/palatine.htm Debbie Lance Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:10:51 -0400 (EDT) From: HAPPYWHW@aol.com (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Gudgel/Crossfield lines Dear Linda, The problem we were having was in our AOL system, so we had to completely download our browser this morning and then we were able to find the treasure trove of the Gungel homepage. Thank you for sharing with us. I did receive a nice message from Smitty Crossfield from Anderson Co., KY in which she kindly offered to help us research our Crossfield lines. Today, she sent us a lot of information which I have already shared with my dad's only remaining sibling, his brother Pinkney Ray Crossfield of Midwest City, Oklahoma. They were very glad to receive it. My grandmother, Cora Ellen Crossfield who married my grandfather Thomas Vester Crossfield had a great-niece Evelyn Pope. So we are looking forward to meeting Mr. Jim Pope from St. Louis. I do hope we can trace our family back to England. That would be great. It's great to meet you Linda, my cousin. I will let you know our progress. Thanks again. Roberta Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:20:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Shellygen@aol.com (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Re: GUDGEL Shelly-We will miss you :( Hope you have a good summer and we will look forward to having you back when you return. Will also keep a lookout for your Barbara QUIGLEY GUDGEL. Maybe she will be waiting for you when you return...hope so! Linda P.S. And thanks for your kind words of encouragement. We all need that ever so often. Hi, Linda I almost feel guilty doing this, but I am going to sign off for the summer. You are really doing a great job with the list and I think it is exciting. I will keep the handy list of subscribers you sent earlier this week. I'd sure appreciate it if you would you please keep my one and only GUDGEL name somewhere in your files. Am repeating it for you below: Lawrence Joseph Quigley, born 1898 in Indiana, died 1966 in Seal Beach, Orange County, California; wife (first or second, not known) was Marjorie. Their daughter BARBARA QUIGLEY (date of birth not known) married a Gudgell, his first name not known. Believe Lawrence and family originally lived in Orange, NJ, and he retired in California. I do not even know if Barbara Quigley Gudgell is still alive. (Have not found her on the SSDI.) I really know very little, and am just hoping someone will recognize Barbara. I will post this to the list again later on, since I've done so fairly recently. Am hoping some of those new Colorado folks on the list might know of the Quigleys, as Lawrence's brother George Q and sister Edna Q lived in Denver for several years. Thanks again, Shelly Dooley, Indianapolis I also use the e-mail address: RDooley868@AOL.com in addition to shellygen@AOL.com Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:10:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL: JUST STUFF Hi folks. Great news. My friend, Dona, who is the driving force in the local Marriage Bond Project I told you about has found something else for me. The Marriage Bond of Andrew GUDSHALL and Betsy PAYNE! I had the consent but not the Marriage Bond. We are literally going through every shread of paper and copying them and then compiling a database for a book to be printed. Some 6,000 Marriage Bonds, Consents and Ministers Returns all before 1850. Another milestone for me! It reads as follows: (Note: This bond is 205 years old!!!!!!) ************************************************************************ Know all men by these presents that we Andrew GUDSHALL and (blank) are held and firmly bound unto his excellency the governeor in the (penal?) sum of of fifty pounds to which payment I bind myself my heirs (____) (____) jointly and severally firmly by these presents sealed and dated this 5th day of Octob 1793. The Condition of the above Obligation is such that whereas a License is desired for a marriage intended between the said Andrew and Betsey PAYNE now if it should always hereafter appear that there is no Lawful Cause to Obstruct the said marriage then this Obligation to be Void else to remain in full force. his Andrew X GUDSHALL {seal} mark Teste Cave Johnson George (Frances?) {seal} ************************************************************************ Note: We are finding that so many of the Marriage Bonds and Consents have been separated in the old file bundles but as we find them we are placing them together. You have to remember that at the signing of this bond, Andrew was 66 years old and Betsy was 30 years old. She is said to have been a young widow with children when she married Andrew and her maiden name was PAUL. Would sure like to know about the PAYNE children. They went to Indiana with Andrew and Betsey and their three children (William, Hetty/Hester, and Nancy) about 1811. I am still holding out for the hope of finding the Marriage Bond of Hannah GUDGEL and Jesse MUSICK! If it is in fact still there, we should find it. In response to Debbie Lance's message re: GATTSHALKS in Germany... I would love to find a clue as to a specific town our GUDGEL's came from. Anyone got any suggestions as to where we might begin? In response to Karla Mahlberg's message telling us all about herself....what a nice write up! This is something that all of us could do. I feel like I know her a little more personally now. Thanks, Karla. Spoke with Jim Pope tonight...(GUDGEL researcher for many years) and he's been under the weather and was to be in Kentucky this weekend for a WARE family reunion at Big Bone Lick State Park. He was going to swing by Gibson Co., IN and do a little research but now he will wait to come in July. He said he hoped the next time I hear from him that it would be online. So, I am still waiting..........maybe it won't be long now. Thanks to everyone who we've heard from this week. From the list of subscribers that Bob GUDGEL sent....looks like some email addresses that I don't recognize. How about giving us a yell so we can say Hi :) TTYL, Linda Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 07:36:30 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: kmahlberg Subject: Re: GOTTSCHALL - DAR kmahlberg wrote: > > Dianne, I tried the GUDGEON spelling and didn't find anything. But I > did come up with something else: > > DAR Lineage Books (100 vols) GOTSCHALL - 4 Combined Matches > Has there been any real evidence of a connection of the name Gotschalk or similar to the name Gudgel? I haven't really heard of any. I thought more likely Andrew Gudgel got the spelling "Gudgel" because of misspelling like we have today. We know it is being continually misspelled today. I don't know of any spelling like Gudgel in the old country. Seems to me unless we can come up with hard evidence that Gudgel was Gottschalk or something similar we might be confusing the issue by suggesting Gudgel was derived from Gottschalk. We might be spending a lot of time looking up information on people with no connection to our line. Just a thought. Don't get many of them. :) Doyal Gudgel Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:16:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Helpful Website-Tombstone Project Good morning to all. Just wanted to pass along a really helpful website I found some time ago and refer to it quite often. It's the U.S. Tombstone Project that is put together by the US GENWEB. You can go to any county in the US and search the cemeteries listed for gravesites. It's growing everyday but they already have lots of listings. More will be listed as they progress. Check it out at: http://USGENWEB.org then click on "Special Projects". Linda from Kentucky-sunny and beautiful weather today. Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:36:12 -0800 From: Dianne To: Ralph Johnson CC: kmahlberg , "gudgel-list@eskimo.com" Subject: Re: GOTTSCHALL - DAR I think we are ALLl still looking for the hard evidence that will link the name Gudgel with whatever name and spelling it came from in a definite manner. We have all seen and recycled the 1920s research done for Miss Eliz Maddoxn (in Indiana?) by someone, who asserted Frederick Gottschalk was Old Andrew's father (plus some siblings of Andrew), and a first? wife and kids of an Andrew Gottschalk in the Bucks Co area PA before we find Andrew in Fayette Co in 1768, but the only evidence that connects Andrew to Buck's Co for sure is the IOU from 1757 that caught up with him 20 yrs later in Fayette Co. (found by Terri Montigny last yr). That in my mind is the best evidence for Andrew and the Bucks Co area, but the name Gottschalk or Gutshell was pretty common then. The Penn oath of nauturalization by an Andrew G is also a nice piece of evidence, but is it OUR Andrew. I sure would like to know more about the other children of Frederick Gottschalk and why they don't seem to appear again after about the 1750s or to have followed Andrew G to SW PA or Ky or Indiana or in other ways reappear in his life. It seems like many of the other G's kept in touch some way for a few decades anyway, such as Daniel G moving to Ind from PA in about 1814 (?) after Andrew had already moved there from Ky. But then we don't know for sure that the moves had any relation to each other. So, the search continues Dianne Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:48:33 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: KY marriage records! Great find, Linda! I hope you all can put those data on a web site soon so the whole world can access it. I am sure your local person who is part of the national genweb project would put it on. Do you think we can ever find Eliz Payne's first marriage record which might lead us to know her better? Sorry to hear about Mr Pope. Hope he gets well and on-line soon. He seems to be a walking storehouse of data. Di Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:15:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Edward Earl DUNLEVY (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Fayette County Old Towns Names and locations- From Walter Storey- Long List Here's another list of communities in the area of Fayette Co. where our old Andrew lived. Just thought it might come in handy later on. Linda Hi Folks, Here is the list of Old Towns names and locations from the Walter "Buzz" Storey book " Stories of Uniontown and Fayette County". *********************************************************************** Fayette County Old Town Names The Fayette County population explosion sparked by the coal boom re- sulted in construction of company-owned towns, or patches, located near the mines, to house the workers and their families. About 150 of them have been identified, creating the distinctive housing distribution in the western part of the county of numerous towns located only a few miles apart. The names alone, like a drum roll, arouse a sense of history and a feeling of nostalgia among older generations. Many of the smaller patches are gone, but at least 80 of them remain as identifiable communities, many of them good-sized, retaining the original con- struction pattern, but reflecting the individual tastes of the private owners. Patch names and locations (research in conjunction with Robert Buzonas and William Catney): Adelaide - Along Youghiogheny River west of Connellsville. Alicia - South of Brownsville. Allison #1-#2 - East of Brownsville, on Route 166 south of Route 40. Amend - About four miles west of Uniontown, between Continental#2 (High House Road) and Route 119 South. Arnold City - Near Belle Vernon, northwest corner of county. Atchison - South of Smithfield. Atlantic - Near New Geneva. Atlas (Crossland) - Route 40 between Uniontown and Hopwood. Banning - North of Perryopolis. Beeson Works - Coolspring Road, just northeast of Uniontown. Bessemer - Outskirts of Masontown. Big Six - Near Fairchance. Bitner - About five miles north of Uniontown. Bowood - Near Smithfield. Braznell - Just east of Brownsville. Bridgeport - Just south of Brownsville. Brier Hill - Route 40 between Uniontown and Brownsville. Broad Ford - Near Connellsville. Brownfield - Hopwood-Fairchance Road, southeast of Uniontown. Browns Hill - Near New Geneva. Buffington - Near New Salem, about six miles northwest of Union- town. Bumblebee - Near Shoaf, off Route 119 south of Uniontown. Burchinal - Route 119, south of Smithfield. Burns - Between Shamrock and New Salem. Cardale - Just east of Republic. Century - Near Brownsville. Clarissa - Near Vanderbilt. Coalbrook - Near Connellsville. Collier - Off Route 119 South, five miles south of Uniontown. Colonial #1 (Smock) - Off Route 51, eight miles north of Uniontown. Colonial #3 (Rowes Run) - Three miles east of Brownsville, north of Route 40. Colonial #4 (Grindstone) - Next to Colonial 3. Continental # 1 (south Uniontown) - Just south of Uniontown. Continental #2 (Walnut Hill) - High House Road about three miles west of Uniontown. Continental #3 (Newcomer) - High House Road about four miles west of Uniontown. Cornish - Near Gans, south of Smithfield. Crabapple - Near Vanderbilt. Crows Works - Route 857 between Uniontown and Fairchance. Crystal - South of Smithfield. Davidson - Just west of Connellsville Dearth - About five miles west of Uniontown, south of Route 40. East Fredericktown (Old Sauerkraut) - On Monongahela River south of Brownsville. East Millsboro - On Monongahela River south of Brownsville. Edenborn - About three miles northeast of Masontown. Elm Grove - Near Bitner, north of Uniontown. Emme Siding - Near Smithfield. Everson - Across Jacobs Creek from Scottdale. Fairbank - New Salem- Republic Road about seven miles northwest of Uniontown. Fairhope - Near Belle Vernon. Fancy Hill - Near Gans, south of Smithfield. Filbert - New Salem-Republic Road about eight miles northwest of Uniontown. Footedale - One mile east of New Salem, on road to Route 21 at Balsinger. Fort Hill - Near Dawson. Freeport #1-#2 - Near Dunbar. Fremont - At Gillespie, near Fayette City. Gallatin - On Monongahela River south of Masontown. Garwood (Dunlap)- Near Brownsville. Gates #1-#2 - On Monongahela River north of Masontown. Gilmore - Near Smithfield. Grasshopper - Near Shoaf, off Route 119 south of Uniontown. Grays Landing- On Monongahela River, just south of Masontown. Greenfield - Between Dunbar and Connellsville. Hamer- Navaho Hollow near Fayette City. Harah - Near Smithfield. Hays- Between Route 119 south of Uniontown and Fairchance Hays #2 - Near Continental #3, High House Road. Helen - Near Keisterville, between Uniontown and Brownsville. Herbert - South of Route 40 toward New Salem, about five miles northwest of Uniontown. Hiller - Just south of Brownsville. Hoover Works - One mile east of McClellandtown. Hopwood - Route 40 two miles east of Uniontown. Hulltown - Near Dawson Isabella - On Monongahela River south of Brownsville. Jackson Hill - Near Dawson. Jamison (South Union) - South Uniontown, southern edge of Uniontown. Jamison (Snipetown) - Near Star Junction, Route 51 near Perryopo- lis. Jimtown (Stirling #1 and #2) - Near Dawson. Jockey Valley (Jockey Hollow) - Eastem section of Yough Lake, Route 40 near Confluence Juniata- (Juniataville) - North of Bitner, about four miles west of Connellsville. Katherine (Simpson) - Near Brownsville. Keifertown - Near Scottdale. Keister-(Keisterville)- Between Uniontown and Brownsville, north of Route 40. Kyle - At Fairchance. LaBelle - South of Brownsville. Lake Lynn (Cheat Haven) - On Cheat River. Lambert - One mile north of McClellandtown. Layton - Northeast of Perryopolis. Mahoney - Ranch Road near Dunbar Marie - At Hopwoood just east of Uniontown Martin - On Monongahela River, south of Masontown Maxwell -On Monongahela River, south of Brownsville. McClure - Route 119 North at Westmoreland County line. Meadowbrook - Next to Little Brownfield, two miles southeast of Uniontown. Melrose (New Sauerkraut) - South of Brownsville. Miller Farm - West of Uniontown, near Dearth. Morrell - Route 119, about two miles south of Connellsville. Moyer - Route 119, north of Connellsville. Mount Braddock - About five miles northeast of Uniontown. Mount Sterling - On Monongahela River just south of Masontown. Naomi- On Monongahela River north of Fayette City. Nellie - Near Vanderbilt New Geneva Fuel - Near New Geneva. Nubbin Ridge - Near Coolspring, two miles east of Uniontown. Oliphant (Oliphant Furnace) - Hopwood-Fairchance Road. Oliver #1, Oliver #2, and Oliver #3 (Thaw) - Just north of Uniontown, starting at edge of city. Orient - New Salem-Republic Road. Outcrop - South of Smithfield. Palmer (Adah, Antram) - On Monongahela River north of Masontown. Paul - Between Vanderbilt and Leisenring. Peanut - Two miles north of Keisterville, between Uniontown and Brownsville. Percy - About four miles northeast of Uniontown, near Mount Braddock. Phillips - Route 51, two miles north of Uniontown. Pike - Near Brownsville. Playford - Off Route 21 near Revere, three miles west of Uniontown. Plummer - Between Puritan and Leckrone , near McClellandtown . Provance - South of Masontown. Puritan- One mile east of McClellendtown. Ralph (Hibbs) - Between Republic and Masontown. Red Lion - Route 201 southwest of Star Junction. Republic - South of Route 40 West, eight miles northwest of Union- town, four miles south of Brownsville. Revere (Uledi)- Route 21, two miles west of Uniontown. Rocks Works - Route 40, five miles west of Uniontown. Ronco - On Monongahela River, just north of Masontown. Royal (Chestnut Ridge) - North of Route 40, about seven miles west of Uniontown. Sarah - South of Brownsville -( this mine and patch was never activated, after U.S.Steel discovered it had been built over someone else's coal) Searights - South of Route 40 near Searights Crossroads, six miles west of Uniontown. Shamrock - New Salem Road five miles west of Uniontown. Sharpnack (Superior) - Near Brownsville. Shoaf- West of Route 119 South, about two miles north of Smithfield. Smiley - Across railroad tracks from Shoaf. Star Junction - Route slyest south of Perryopolis Sunshine - On Monongahela River near Martin, south of Masontown. Taylor - Near Brownsville. Thompson #1 and #2 - Near Republic. Tower Hill #1 and #2 - Near Republic. Trotter - Two miles west of Connellsville. Victoria - Near Perryopolis. Whitsett - North of Perryopolis. Wick Haven - North of Perryopolis. Winstead - On Monongahela River just north of Point Marion. Wynn - Just north of Fairchance. York Run - Off Route 119 South about six miles south of Uniontown. Youngstown- Off Route 119 North about five miles north of Union- town. ******************************************************************************* Thank you again Mr. Storey for all your help. Best of luck to you all. -- Edward Earl DUNLEVY, List Owner- mailto:cardoc@hhs.net PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com , and DUNLEVY-L@rootsweb.com Mailing Lists http://www.hhs.net/cardoc/Locallinks.html Searching Surnames: AUMAN-BAKER-BALSINGER-BROWN-BYERS-COLETTI-CORNISH- CROFCHECK-DANNELS-DUFF-DUNLEVY-DUNN-ENDSLEY-FRANKS-GALLAGHER-GRIMES- KILLIAN-LOSH-McCOY-McGAVITT-McCAFFERY-McMILLEN-MOORE-NARY-PARSHALL- PHILLIPS-PRESTON-RIFFLE-SKERA-STARON-TATE-TERRAVECCHIA-WATERS-WEBB- WHITE-ZIMMERMAN ---- ==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== The National Road Heritage Park: http://www.hhs.net/nrhp/main.html Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gottshall/Gottschalk Civil War info >Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:37:14 -0500 >From: Jon Gottshall >Reply-To: jgott@nayzak.com >Old-To: Godshalk List >Subject: Gottshall/Gottschalk Civil War info >To: GODSHALK-L@rootsweb.com > >Hello again, everyone. > >I'm doing Civil War era research on some of my ancestors, and I thought >I'd distribute material on some of the surnames likely to be spelling >variations of "Gottschalk." What I have is only for the state of >Pennsylvania. This is basically a list of men who fought in the Civil >War in Pennsylvania Volunteer regiments. The regiment number appears >after the name. Unfortunately I forgot to photocopy the page that had >spelling variations that start with "GU", such as "Gutshall", a fairly >common variation. So I've left some people out. Next time I get access >to Bates' history I'll rectify that. Any of these names can be looked up >fairly quickly, and as Gottshall researches we are lucky that >Pennsylvania Civil War records are so extensive. So let me know if one >of these names is of interest to you and I'll see what I can do. > >The following names are from Samuel Bates' History of the Pennsylvania >Volunteers: > >Godschall, Samuel: 28th Militia of 1863 >Godshalk, Abraham, Capt.: 79th PA >Godshalk, Alfred: 5th Militia of 1862. >Godshalk, Benjamin F.: 207th PA >Godshalk, Benjamin F.: 28th PA >Godshalk, Edwin H., 3rd Sgt: 17th PA >Godshalk, Enos: 138th PA >Godshalk, Jacob M.: 43rd Militia of 1863 >Godshalk, Jacob, Corp.: 153rd PA >Godshalk, Mahlon: 215th PA >Godshalk, Milton: 175th PA >Godshalk, Robert E.: 38th Militia of 1863 >Godshalk, Samuel B.: 104th PA >Godshalk, William: 11th Militia of 1862 >Godshalk, William: 153rd PA >Godshall, Abraham R.: 160th PA >Godshall, Adam: 5th PA >Godshall, George W.: 20th Militia of 1862 >Godshall, Herman, Corp.: 153rd PA >Godshall, Hiram S., 2nd Lt.: 196th PA >Godshall, Hiram S., 2nd Lt. : 213th PA >Godshall, Hiram, Corp.: PA National Guard >Godshall, Hiram, Sgt.: 52nd Militia of 1863 >Godshall, John: 59th PA >Godshall, John: 95th PA >Godshall, Joseph, 1st Sgt: 138th PA >Godshall, Josiah, Corp.: 53rd PA >Godshal, Levi, Corp.: 104th PA >Godshall, Samuel: 183rd PA >Godshath, Jacob: 106th PA > >Gotshall, Daniel: 117th PA >Gotshall, Enos: 11th Militia of 1862 >Gotshall, John: 25th PA >Gotshall, John: 1st Lt.: 55th PA >Gotshall, John, Adj.: 55th PA >Gotshall, Martin: 48th PA >Gotshall, Peter: 93rd PA >Gotshall, Samuel: 167th PA >Gottsall, William: 195th PA >Gottschalk, William W.: 178th PA >Gottschall, Abraham, Sgt.: 45th PA >Gottschall, Charles: 131st PA >Gottschall, Emanuel: 14th PA >Gottschall, George: 194th PA >Gottschall, Henry: 35th PA >Gottschall, James: 190th PA >Gottschall, John Y.: 35th PA >Gottschall, Joseph: 79th PA >Gottschall, Martin, Corp.: 53rd Militia of 1863 >Gottschall, Samuel: 180th PA >Gottschall, Samuel G.: 35th PA >Gottshall, Solomon: 131st PA >Gottshall, William: 39th Militia of 1863 >Gottschall, William: 43rd PA >Gottschall, William: 80th PA > >Gottshall, Adam L.: 151st PA >Gottshall, And. B.: 192nd PA >Gottshall, James: 36th PA >Gottshall, Joel: 50th PA >Gottshal, John Y.: 191st PA >Gottshall, Leonard: 172nd PA >Gottshall, Levi D.: 209th PA >Gottshall, Samuel: 36th PA (my g-g-grandfather) >Gottshall, William: 43rd PA >Gottshall, William S.: 213th PA > > >-- >Jon Gottshall >jgott@nayzak.com > >Home: http://www.nayzak.com/~jgott/index.html >Genealogy: http://www.nayzak.com/~jgott/family/gott01.htm >Squirrels: http://www.nayzak.com/~jgott/html04e.htm > >"Maddest of all, is to see life as it is and not as it should be!" >--Man of La Mancha > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:23:10 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Gudgel reunion This is the year for the Gudgel reunion in Chowchilla CA. The message arrived from Gail McAuley who is Ethyl Kile's daughter. Ether died recently well into her 90's. Another aunt Cecil Gudgel, Lloyd's widow recently celebrated her 100th birthday. NBC came and broadcast the parade in her honor. Gail invites all to the reunion. It will be held at Marion Harris's home at 23840 Rd 16 Saturday August 1st. 11:00 AM. Eat at 12:30. Bring your bathing suit. Anyone coming from far away can no doubt forget bringing a salad or dessert. Everything else is provided. Gail can be contacted at 209 478 9465 or FAX 209 952 9634 Doyal Gudgel PS Actually this is the Gudgel/Sevedge reunion. Sevedge is Grandma's Gudgels maiden name. Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:24:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Strange encounters of the Gudgel kind Here's another impromptu Gudgel encounter story. About 10 years ago, my brother, Robin Gudgel, was on a cruise in the Carribean, when he heard a voice that sounded very much like our uncle, Loyal Gudgel, our dad's brother. Robin also found that he looked like Loyal Gudgel too. Well, he got his card (Florida Institute of Technology) and gave it to my dad. Well, he just found this card and I just called him up. His name is Edward Francis Gudgel Jr., b. Nov 11, 1924 in Lexington KY. His dad was Edward F. Gudgel Sr. b. 1896 in Andreson Cty, KY, d. 1979. b. Lawrenceburg I think. Edward Jr. doesn't have any info on his Grandfather, but is pretty sure his name was Edd Gudgel (yes, Edd). Another twist to the story is that E.F.G. Jr. has a son named Bob Gudgel (45 yrs old) that was sitting right there and I got to talk to yet another one of myself. Linda Finnell evidently called Edward up a few years ago also. Edward's other son, Richard Gerald Gudgel lives in Columbia S.C. and is evidently into Gudgel Genealogy! I hope to talk to him when he gets back from Switzerland while seeing his oldest daughter on the first of July. Richard "Gerry" Gudgel is also on the internet. Linda, have you talked to Richard? Who knows, maybe he's aware of us or subscribed already. Edward seemed very happy to hear from me and maybe we can figure out who is great grandfather is. He was familiar with the event for which the guy at the post office named Gudgel Kentucky because the Gudgel couldn't think of a name for the town so they just named it Gudgel. He does have some other Gudgel history and knew about Frederick G. Later, Bob Gudgel Seattle Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:35:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: MORE ON GUDGEL ENCOUNTERS Bob: I loved your subject line! Yes, I have corresponded with Richard GUDGEL and his father, Edward, also. Richard answered my mail query I sent out in 1993 (think I told you guys about that). Here is his information her returned: Richard Gerald GUDGEL, (b. March 26, 1946 Lexington, KY), son of Edward Francis GUDGEL, Jr. and Dorothy Jean CRANFILL. Both Edward and Dorothy b. Lexington, KY. In 1993 Richard was living in Columbia, Richland Co., SC, he was in Marketing Management, married Sharon Starr ATKINS Jan/ 1, 1979 in Arlington, VA. Children: Amanda Jean- b. 1988, Jessica Starr-b. 1983, and Angela Nicole-b. 1981. He also had three 3 step daughters listed. I have his home address and phone number if you need them. I wrote back to him in the fall of 1993 but didn't get a reply. I had several ties to this family that I needed to clarify but unfortunately he didn't respond. His father or grandfather, Edward Francis GUDGEL, (Sr.?) lived in Ft. Myers. FL and is a retired doctor, I beleive. I hear from him via the internet ever so often and he is interested in this family also. I did notify him of the GUDGEL List when we went online but haven't seen him around the list. Another GUDGEL that replied was Robert B. GUDGEL, of Warren, OH. He was an Army Reserve Officer and wanted to know if I knew of a Brig. General E. F. GUDGEL, Jr. I feel this must be Richard's father but he didn't respond to my letter so I never knew for sure. For those who don't know.....a BRIG. GENERAL is pretty special in rank. Hope we will hear from Richard soon! Linda Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:22:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael J. Godshalk" (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Samual Chester Godshall (b: 1827) I am redirecting this to the GUDGEL list in hopes someone may know of GUDGEL's or GODSHALL's in Tennessee at some time. This came from another mail-list as you will see below. Thanks, Linda Maybe someone can help Ernie out with his search. Thanks for looking. Mike *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* Michael J. Godshalk mailto:godshalk@suntan.eng.usf.edu 2217 Summit View Dr. http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk VALRICO, FL 33594-5235 "Godshalk Family Tree Home Page" (813) 681-9481 MY MAILING LISTS: Send me an E-Mail if you'd like to join. mailto:GODSHALK-L-request@rootsweb.com mailto:Stegall_N_Stratton-L-request@rootsweb.com mailto:starner-family@coollist.com mailto:hartleb-family@coollist.com ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:31:13 -0400 From: Ernie Godshall To: godshalk@suntan.eng.usf.edu Subject: dead end again I was delighted to find your page, but I just scanned the entire 8,000 names and still can't find my family. Have you any info on the following: Samual Chester Godshall b.1827,Delaware m. Aramathea Webb lived in Nashville, Tn. fought in Mexican War and in 11th Tennessee in Civil War. s. Heeland s.Samual C. s. Webb Samual Chester Godshall II b.1851 Nashville m. Mary Emma Kingsmore Lived in Strother,Fairfield Co., S.C. and Pacolet,S.C. I could't find anything in Delaware archives. I surely would jump for joy if you could help to get me that one next step before great great granddad got to Nashville. Ernest Franklin(Ernie) Godshall, Jr. 4504 Lakeshore Rd. N. Denver, N.C. 28037 704-483-3220 704-333-0365 work Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:15:19 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: What next? Godzik is now Gudgel. I know this has nothing to do with Gudgels. But my Grandson David Gudgel son of Tom Gudgel married Katherine Godzik yesteday in Seattle. How about that! Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL VARIATIONS GODZIK???? A new one on me, but congrats on the new daughter-in-law! I keep thinking about the GUTSGELL information that was in the family history file in Princeton, IN and it was tied to us through the STONE family there. Mr. Ernie Lasley, local Gibson Co., IN historian that took pics of the cemetery for us told me there was another family interested in that cemetery by the name of STONE. At the time I didn't know who they were but now I am sure this must be the connection. I'm beginning to think we should check this out. Seems to me we are having a lot of difficulty with the GUDGEL, GUDGEON, GOTTSCHALL(K), etc. variations and not gaining any ground. Maybe we should try another route like this GUTSGELL? Comments anyone? TTYL, Linda Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Gudgel (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Re: GUDGEL SURNAME Hi folks- I was surfin' around and found this Daniel GUDGEL on the internet. Just asked about his surname and asked if he'd care to share some of his family line. I will respond to him privately and tell him about the list. Happy Hunting, Linda Linda, My pleasure...note my home e-mail address, as well. Dad's name ... Robert Wiley Gudgel born in Coleman, OK, 12/22/1930 as the 3rd son of Lloyd Louis Gudgel(the son of Thomas Wiley Gudgel) and Cecile Jennie Garrett. Other siblings of my Dad's in order of birth: Lee Roy, Verlin, Rosella, Loering, (Robert), Emma Dale, and Patricia. The family moved from Oklahoma/Texas in 1932 to Central California ... taking up residence on the family farm in the Dairyland area of Madera County. The property is still currently in the family name as "Momo" (Cecile Gudgel) will celebrate her 101st birthday on August 20th. My name is Daniel Robert Gudgel married to Tracy Lee McDonald. I have three children; Garrett Daniel, Joshua Brian, and Jennifer Arlene. We reside at: 134 South Olive Street Lemoore, CA 93245-3412 Phone: 209-924-7134 Let me know if I can be of further assistance. I suspect you know the family with its Oklahoma (Indian Territory) connections. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: GUDGEL SURNAME Author: lfinnell@lex.infi.net at EXTERNAL Date: 6/14/1998 8:40 PM Hi Daniel I was surfing around and found your name on a search for the GUDGEL surname. I have been researching the GUDGEL family for about 15 years and wondered if you could tell me a bit about your ancestors? I haven't run across a GUDGEL yet that isn't connected! I have a large databse of information and I'd like to add your family if I don't have it already. Thanks, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: EGudgel@aol.com (by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell ) Subject: Re: MORE ON GUDGEL ENCOUNTERS Here's a reply from Edward GUDGEL in Fort Myer's FL that I spoke of. Oops!...my mistake. He is not the son of this Richard Gerald GUDGEL that Bob found. Linda I am Edward Franklin Gudgel, MD, Fort Myers, Fl. but not the father of Richard Gerald Gudgel of Lexington Ky. I do have a son Richard Glenn Gudgel of Freehold, NJ. He is with NOAH at Princeton, NJ and has the unfortunately unfinished page with the beautiful weather pictures. There is an infantry Brig. General Edward F. retired living in Florida ... during the Korean War while I was in Japan and he was in Korea I started getting his mail and I was afraid that my orders might be confused ending up with me in a MASH. I have 3 other children John E. , Patricia G. and Anne M. Sottile . I have lost much of my Genealogy due to a computer malfunction and am replacing it slowly. Read all Gudgel email. ED G. Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gudgel: More WOODFILL data from Fayette Co.,PA trip. Joseph Dotson WOODFILL-b. 20 July 1819 d. 14 Nov. 1900 Taylor's Cemetry. Married 7 Nov. 1844 to Mary WHITE (15 September 1819-10 August 1891) bur. Taylor Cemetery. 8 children: Ellen WOODFILL Margaret E. WOODFILL-marr. Hiram CLEAVER Andrew J. WOODFILL S. Ella WOODFILL- marr. an unknown TEALE. Oliver Freeman WOODFILL-17 Huly 1856-19 April, 1927, Mononghela Cem. Marr. 1879 Rebecca WILLIAMS (1857-1949). White W. WOODFILL Mary Belle WOODFILL-marr. to an unknown CAMPBELL Albert L. WOODFILL-b. 1863- d. 1930 Bur. Oakgrove Cem, Uniontown, PA marr. 5 Nov. 1891 Laura Frances WOODWARD (20 Nov 187311 May 1945. Bur. Oakgrove Cem., Uniontown, PA. 4 children: Deroy, Hazel, Eve, Clayton Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:21:08 -0800 From: Dianne To: "by way of Linda Gudgel Finnell " Subject: Re: MORE ON GUDGEL ENCOUNTERS Wow! I am impressed with all the strange Gudgel encounters. Bob, perhaps you could put the best ones in a separate file on the web site? Or? I still am waiting to hear about the Ed? Gudgel and Loyal Gudgel connection if any that Robin Gudgel (my brother) encountered on a cruise in Florida some years ago. My normally calm brother nearly lost it when meeting this man who not only was a dead ringer for our uncle Loyal, but who sounded the same (the voice was the same). And it turned out the name was the same--Gudgel. Now, I sure would like to do some DNA testing on this situation, hum? Dianne G-H PS I am still listening folks, but its 70 degrees here and roof repair time. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: strange encounter of the Loyal and Ed kind Robin wants me to get a video of Edward Francis Gudgel that he says looks and sounds like uncle Loyal. I may ask his son, Richard if he can send something after he gets back from Switzerland. Has anyone seen an "Edd" Gudgel anywhere in documentaion? Might Be Ed Francis's grandfather. It's very intersting too, that there is two Edward F. Gudgel's in Florida with sons named Richard G. I have a link to the Richard Gudgel at NOAA, and mentioned him briefly to Daniel Gudgel, the US weatherman in california that also posted recently. Similar and related business. I met Daniel's mother who just turned 100, or was it 101? a couple years ago at the time of the Chowchilla Thomas Wiley Gudgel offspring picnic. Small World, huh? Bob Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:34:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gudgel-Good Morning! Hi guys- I am leaving town for the weekend tomorrow afternoon and will look and see what I have listed on this Loyal GUDGEL. I have heard this name before I'm sure. As far as Richard GUDGEL.....somebody please explain this to me. Seems I had Edward Francis, Sr. (Fort Myers, FL) listed as deceased in my data and I got an email from him about it.....Gheez! How embarrasing! Got my wires crossed I guess and need to straighten it out. Too many Edward's, Elijah's, Edward F.'s, Elijah F.'s, E.F.'s, etc. Gets my head to swimming! TTYL, Linda Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:02:35 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: strange encounter of the Loyal and Ed kind Bob Gudgel wrote: > > Robin wants me to get a video of Edward Francis Gudgel that he This would be his grandmother. Cecil ( the 100 year old) is Bob's mother. Bob is the crop duster in Chowchilla. Doyal From: Bob Gudgel Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Edward Francis No, Edward Francis G. is OK, BUT he does not have e-mail. At least he said he didn't. Maybe he used to, I don't know. We know all about Loyal Gudgel, though. He's my uncle. Bob Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:50:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: WOULD THE REAL EDWARD GUDGEL PLEASE STAND UP? Hi folks- With all of the talk about the two Edward GUDGEL's I went to my database and looked in the index for Edward GUDGEL.......I have 9 Edward GUDGEL's and that's not including those with the middle name of Edward such as William Edward's, James Edward's, Elijah Edward's, etc. It's no wonder I get confused I guess. Here are my entries: (1) Edward GUDGEL- (no dates), s/o William Edward GUDGEL (1887-1955) and Edna May McCOLPIN (1890-1920). (2) Edward GUDGEL (no dates), - s/o Jacob GUDGEL (b. 1833 Gibson Co., IN) and Mary Jane WITHERSPOON. (3) Edward GUDGEL (1884-1884), s/o Thomas Jefferson GUDGEL (b. 1847 Gibson Co., IN-d. 1899) and Sarah JONES (1848-1884). We can rule this one out since he died as an infant. (4) Edward GUDGEL- (b. 1944 Ainesworth, NE), s/o Sherman Edward GUDGEL (b. 1916 Cherry Co., NE) and Margie Hartgrave McINTYRE. (5) Edward E. GUDGEL (1867-1900). s/o Jacob Madison GUDGEL, Sr. (1833 Anderson Co., KY-1896 Anderson Co., KY) and Frances Matilda GRIFFEY (1835 Anderson Co., KY-1903 Anderson Co., KY). These are my gg grandparents. (6) Edward Francis GUDGEL (no dates), s/o Edward E. GUDGEL (1867-1900) and Hattie B. SWEAZEY (all from Anderson Co., KY (7) Edward Francis GUDGEL (1896 Anderson Co., KY-1979) s/o Elijah Edward GUDGEL (1867-1900) and Mary Elizabeth "Bettie" WALKER (b. 1866) These were all from Anderson Co., KY also. Is this the "Edward" who had two known sons: (1) Frank E. (b. 1896-Anderson Co., KY) marr. Sarah McKinsey (2) Thomas C. (b. 1893 Anderson Co. KY) marr. Archie HINKLE? Or is this person Edward E. GUDGEL, s/o Jacob GUDGEL and Frances GRIFFEY. (8) Edward Francis GUDGEL (no dates)-s/o Edward Frances GUDGEL (bg Sr.) (1896-1979)and Sarah MACKENZIE (1900-1953). (bg EFG Jr. b. nov 11,1924) (9) Edward Thomas GUDGEL- (1835 Gibson Co., IN-1908) s/o William GUDSHALL/GUDGEL (d. 1887 Gibson Co., IN) and Lucinda "Lucy" THURMAN. I think I have a duplicate here with Elijah Edward and Edward E. I think the Edward E. is Elijah Edward and I may have his name transposed. Have tried for some time to figure this one out. Anybody got any other data? I hope Dr. Edward Francis GUDGEL, Sr. of Fort Myers, FL can straighten this out. In looking at some correspondence from him in 1993 I see he was born Jan. 16, 1923 in Berlin Center, OH and marr. Charline WHITE in 1943. Four children: Anne, Patricia, John and Richard. He is a retired medical doctor and does volunteer practice and serves on a hospital board. He is currently living in Ft. Myers, FL. With his permission I will transcribe his data that he sent me in 1993. Okay- Dr. GUDGEL- we are waiting to hear from you :) Thanks, Linda Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:09:17 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Historical connections I received the following piece from another list. Because several Gudgels provided escort for Confederate President Jefferson Davis in his attempt to escape after the War Between the States I thought you might like to get caught up on some history that Gudgels participated in. When war broke out several Gudgels in Kentucky enlisted in Confederate Military units. They enlisted in cavalry units mainly. Gudgels were in considerable combat no matter which side they fought for. My Ancestor Henry T Gudgel who enlisted in the 28th Illinois volunteers died of typhoid fever about 6 weeks after enlisting. His brothers who enlisted later in various infantry units participated in many battles including Sherman's march to the sea. But back to the southern Gudgels from Kentucky. They suffered more casualties in proportion to their numbers than their Union cousins. Some of them were in cavalry units that escorted Jefferson Davis when he tried to escape after Lee's surrender. I am doing this from memory and will look up the fascinating story of the Gudgels in the Confederate Army and post it later. . 1808 - 1889 JEFFERSON DAVIS Jefferson Davis was born on June 3, 1808 in Christian County, Kentucky. When he was a young child, his family moved to Mississippi where he spent most of his youth until matriculating at Transylvania University in 1821. He did not complete his studies at Transylvania; instead, a Mississippi congressman nominated him to West Point. Davis entered September 1, 1824 and graduated in 1828 suceeding to a second lieutenant post in the United States Army. He spent the next seven years of military duty in Illinois and Wisconsin, where he met his first wife Sarah Knox Taylor, daughter of U.S. President Zachary Taylor, under whom Davis served with distinction during the Mexican War. Davis resigned from the United States Army on June 30, 1835 and moved back to Mississippi with his wife. A mere three months later, on September 15, 1835 Mrs. Davis died of malarial fever. He quietly spent the next ten years of his life 1835 to 1845 on his plantation in Mississippi. In December of 1845 these calm years ended with his election to the national House of Representatives as a Democrat from Mississippi. Also, on February 26, 1845 Davis married Varina Howell which linked him with the local high society. He became increasingly more involved in politics and fighting the abolistionist cause during the years that followed, serving in Congress, as a national senator, and as secretary of war in the cabinet of Franklin Pierce. Upon Mississippi's secession from the Union, Davis resigned from Senate, January 21, 1861. He was inaugurated as provisional President of the Confederacy on February 18, 1861 at Montgomery. Davis' loyalty to the South was unquestionable, and in spite of anti-Davis sentiment in the South, he was elected to his position of President in October 1861 and formally inaugurated on February 22, 1862. Davis' presidency was a time frought with tension and the obvious triumphs and defeats which the Civil War brought to the South. Davis remained determined to see the South gain independence right to Lee's surrender at Appomattox. After being captured by Federal cavalry on May 10, 1865, Davis spent two years as a prisoner in Fortress Monroe. Davis was never brought to trial and was released on bond, May 13, 1867. He spent the final twenty-two years of his life traveling, undertaking business ventures, and recording his career in The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government. Jefferson Davis passed away on December 6, 1889 in New Orleans. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gurgel Penny just sent me this spelling and reference for someone looking for info on the Gurgel family. If they're close, I can't pass them by: Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: rsl-update-request@rootsweb.com Subject: RSL: New G Surnames, June 1998 Update +Gurgel 1830 now DEU>WI,USA bmatz bmatz Barbara Matz, BPichaMatz@Prodigy.com 219 Llambaris Pass Wales,WI,USA 53183 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:18:36 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: THE REAL EDWARD GUDGEL ? Wow! I'm very confused. How about a graphic chart of some sorts for showing the relationships of all the Ed G's? Dianne G-H Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Homesteading to Colorado I've decided that it is high time that I start contributing on a regular basis to this listserv. Linda and Bob, you are doing a marvelous job and a wonderful service by linking up all of us Gudgel descendants!!! I have made a few submissions but have so much more to share. I was recently very excited to see Karla Mahlberg join the list. She and I are from the same branch of the tree as we both represent the grandson, Andrew Gudgel (b. about 1809 in Indiana) branch of the tree. I remember my grandparents talking quite fondly about Lou and Oscar Gudgel out in Cheyene Wells, CO. In 1905 my great-great grandfather David Milton Gudgel with his wife, two single sons, one single daughter, 2 married daughters with their spouses and three grandsons (one being my Grandfather Lawrence David Adkins) homesteaded to Cheyenne Wells, CO. No doubt tempted by Louis Gudgel's real estate connections and love of the countryside. One daughter and her family remained near Hull, IL and I am fortunate to have six original letters written from December 24, 1905 until July 10, 1907 from the family in Cheyenne Wells to the sister who remained behind. I also have a wonderful family picture of David Milton Gudgel and his whole family taken in 1905 shortly before they left for CO. Here is the first letter in order of appearance: Myrtle = Florence Myrtle Gudgel, the sister who remained behind Harry = Harry Brooks Lewton, husband of Jessie Mamie Gudgel Orlie = Orlie Burness Adkins, husband of Phoebe Ellen Gudgel - my Great Grandfather Uncle Lou = Louis Melhouse Gudgel, full brother to David Milton Gudgel Oscar = son of Louis Melhouse Gudgel Frank = David Franklin Gudgel (age 14) Elmer = William Elmer Gudgel (age 9) Papa = David Milton Gudgel, father of Phoebe, Myrtle, Jessie, Rena (not mentioned in letter) Frank, & Elmer Phoebe = Phoebe Ellen Gudgel, oldest child of David Milton Gudgel & Nancy Ellen Smith. baby = Phoebe and Orlie's son Floyd (3 .5 months) Pudsing/Pugs = Mytle Marie Treaster (13 months), daughter of Florence Myrtle Gudgel & Joseph Samuel Treaster. Willie = oldest son of Phoebe & Orlie (age 5) Jessie = Jessie Mamie Gudgel, wife of Harry Brooks Lewton (no children at this time) Lawrence David Adkins - not mentioned, as he was a quiet child (age 2 .5 months) son of Phoebe and Orlie - my grandfather. Cheyenne Wells Col. Dec.24,1905 Dear Sister Myrtle: As this is Sunday afternoon & I have just had my dinner I will try & write to you. It is now four oclock so you see we had an early dinner we were all so near starved we could hardly take time to wait on each other. Harry & Orlie went to church and haven't got home yet. I guess they stayed at Uncle L. for dinner. Papa has never been down home yet you know he had such a cold when we left there. He is getting over it some now he was so hoarse he could scarcely talk atall. Uncle L. wants us all to eat Xmas dinner with them tomorrow they are going to have turkey. Where are you going to spend Xmas. I wish you a happy Christmas & a glad New Year. Oscar came down and got Frank last night to go to the Christmas tree with him. my but this is a lovely evening it is just to pretty to stay in. we haven't had any real bad weather yet. It snowed a little the first eve. we were here. Harry got here Wed. eve, I was so glad to see him. He laid over one day in Kansas City or he would have got here first. Our things got here all O.K. one of my chairs got the round broke out every thing else is all wright. It seems so strange for us to burn coal. I tell you the ride was plenty long enough for me we were all so glad to get off of the train we could hardly wait for it to stop. Frank, Elmer & I were all sick on the train. Frank was just awful sick when we changed cars at Moberly he could scarcely walk I had to led him. Papa just now got home he came with the boys. He is still hoarse. Phebe is carying the baby around. She said she would like to see you. How is my Pudsing you box her haws for me & treat scandlas for she isn't any goody. I wish I was there to hear her say Detty. The land is being taken up awful fast there is only two more fields near us that isn't taken up we haven't seen Lou B. yet. He is fireing on the road. Papa said mash Pugs nose for him. Tell everyone helo for me. I have dreamed of Ill. Every night since I have been here. Elmer & Willie make enough racket for half a doz. Kids. We had enough lunch for to last a week. We didn't eat near all of it. I wish you could see this country it seems funny not to see any trees. Phebe said she was going out to get a switch to whip the kids she couldn't find one high or low. The telephone poles look more like fence posts. Well it is getting so dark I will close for this time Write soon. From Jessie Lewton By By. More to come later. Mia K. Adkins Fleegel Skaneateles, NY Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:31:56 -0700 From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Andrew Gudgel b. 1809 Here is some of my documentation on Andrew Gudgel, grandson of old Andrew through his son John. 1840 Federal Census Scott County, Indiana Page 471 GUDGELL, Andrew males: 1 (20-30) females: 1 (under 5), 1 (20-30) 1850 Federal Census Hancock County, Illinois Page 421, lines 15-24 2156/2163 GUDGEL, Andrew 41 Farmer KY Elizabeth 28 OH MILLER, Lovina C. 8 OH Shanon A. 1 IL GUDGEL, Francis M. 17 IN Rebecca I. 15 IN John W. 13 IN Allen 11 IN Eveline 7 IL Calvin 4 IL Taken November 17, 1850 1860 Federal Census Pike County, Illinois Kinderhook Tp. Page 37-38 95 JUGGLE, Andrew 50 KY Elizabeth 70 OH Calvin 14 IL Sherman? 11 IL David 8 IL Louis 2 IL Andrew 7/12 IL Jefferson Co., IN Deeds (These deeds and Quit Claims are my best proof that Andrew is indeed the son of John Gudgel) Book 13, page 696 December 7, 1852 Andrew Gudgel and Eliza Elizabeth Gudgel of Adams County, Illinois appoint Andrew J. Meuzey of Jeffersonville, Clark Co., IN with power of attorney to sell right and title in SW Qtr. and East 1/2 SE Qtr. 21-4-8. Book 13, page 697 January 19, 1853 . . .this property was sold to Andrew W. Blake "the undivided 1/11th part of SW Qtr. and of East 1/2 of SE Qtr., part of the estate of John Gudgel". The State of Texas) --:-- County of Grayson Before me the undersigned authority, this day personally apperaed, Calvin Gudgel, personally known to me, and who being duly sworn, deposes and says that his mother Betsy Gudgel, died as he has been told, in the year of about 1847, and that he was about three years old at the date of her death; and that the members of his family who were living, from June, 1850, to 1860, were as follows; Father Andy Gudgel, and step-mother, Betsey Gudgel. (Whose given name was the same as my own mother), Sisters as follows, Rebeca Jane, Gudgel, and Evelin Gudgel, and brothers as follows, Marion Gudgel, John Gudgle, and Allen Gudgel.After my own mothers death, in about 1847, I lived with my Uncle Sam Staples, who lived in Adams County, Ill. Carthage was his Post Office, until about 1851 at which time my father Andy Gudgel, married the second time, and took me home to live with him. My Father Andy Gudgel, lived in Handcock County Ill. at the date of his second marriage, his Post Office, at that time was Chilie, Ill. In about 1853 my father moved to Pike Co., Ill. near the line of Adams County, at which place Payton was his Post Office, and that was my home until 1860, and for several years thereafter. These Statements are made from memory, as there never was any Bible, or Church, record of the family that I ever knew of, and the date of my birth was given me by my oldest sister Rebeca Jane Gudgel. Calvin Gudgel Sworn and subscribed to before me the undersigned this the 22 day of February A.D. 1915 E.A. Wright Notary Public in and for Grayson County Texas. My commision expires June the first 1915 Father's Declaration for Army Pension. State of Illinois Adams County On this 16th day of September A.D. 1867, before me, a Clerk of the County Court in and for the County and State above named, personally appeared Andrew Gudgel aged 56 years, a resident of Kinderhook in the State of Illnois who being duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration: That he is the father of John W. Gudgel who was a Private in Company H commanded by Captain Hull in the 99th Regiment of Ills. Inf. Volunteers, and who died at Rolla Ill on or about the 25th day of November 1862 by reason of chronic diarrhea induced by exposure in the service and in the line of his duty. My Post office address is Kinderhook Pike County Illinois. He further decares, this said son, upon whom he was wholly or in part dependant for support, having left no widow or minor child under sixteen years of age surviving, declarant makes this application for a pension, under the act of Congress approved July 14, 1862 and subsequent acts ? ? and refers to the evidence filed herewith, and that in the proper department to establish his claim. He also also declares tha he has not in any way been engaged in or aided or abetted the rebellion in the United States, that he is not in receipt of a pension under the second section of the act above mentioned, or under any other act, and that he has not married since the death of his son, the soldier above mentioned. He hereby constitutes and appoint C. Greely of Quincy, Ill his attorney, with the power of substitution to prosecute his claim and procure a cdrtificate, with full power and authority to do and perform all and every lawful act and thing whatsoever necessary and requisite to be done in and about the premises, except drawing the money, which will be herafter provided for. Andrew Gudgel Quincy Ill August 23 1869 This is to certify That Andrew Gudgel applicant for Pension No. 152612 was the father of the deceased Soldier John W. Gudgel of the 99 Regt. Ill. Vol. that deceased left neither widow nor minor children surving and that the aforesaid Andrew Gudgel the father of deceased was at the time of his, the deceased death, and had been for some time before deceased unlisted in the army, unable to support himself by his own labor having some two or three small children to support. That his disability was caused by continued and succesive attacks of Intermittent fever and Pneumonia, occassioned by his residing on the Mississippi Bottom for many years. Deceased was his main support his contribution toward that purpose amounting at least to one hundred and twenty five dollars per year. This had been the case for at least a year prior to enlistment of deceased and his father was expecting the same from him after he entered the army and up to his decease. The manner of his help towards his father's support was by contributing of his money earned by laboring on a farm & trading some in horses and other stock. This money thus expended was used in procuring the necessities in house keeping in a very humble way. I have no interest in the above claim if ever collected. My information inrelation to the facts above stated was derived from my having been the family physician of Andrew Gudgel for ten years or more prior to and up to the time of the enlistment of deceased in the army and being in the neighborhood and sometimes at the house afterwards. M.M Bauer M.D. Late Col. 50th Ill In. Vol. Subscribed and sworn to before me this 23 of August 1869 and I further certify that the affiant was a regular practicing physision in good standing previous to his entering the United States service as colonel of the 50th Regt. Ill Inft in the 1861 and was then personally well known to me. I futher certify that I have no enterest whatever in the above claim. Charles A. Morton Clerk County Court Adams County, Illinois From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Old-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:37:05 +0000 Subject: Homesteading to Colorado Here are two more letters written by the David Milton Gudgel family to their sister/ daughter, Myrtle Gudgel Treaster back in Illinois. Cast of characters include the same ones from my first letter - the whole David Milton Gudgel family + Spence (Spencer Adkins), brother of Orlie Adkins. Phoebe Ellen Gudgel & Orlie are my great-grandparents. Orlie died in 1968 so I remember him well. Cheyenne Wells, Colo Jan 21, 1906 Dear sister - I thought I wou write to you we are having windy wea ther now. Orlie and papa a nd Harry are diging cellars It tried to snow yester day, a little orlie went to church this morning Rena went to flaurnce house and went to school one day. It was cold this morning that I dident get to go to church have you been at church yet how are they all their now does little myrtle still call dogie and jessie yet. I would like to see yo u all. Has joe caught any more muscrats now Jessie and Rena are play ing the organ and singin g papa is a sleep. Well I will close For this time write Soon from your bro ther Frank Gudgel. Easter Greeting to all. I wish all a happy Easter Cheyenne Wells, Colo, March 31, 1907 Mrs. Myrtle Treaster Shepherd Ill. Dear sister and family:- As I am not busy at present I will write a little to you. There wasn't any of us went to Sunday School to-day not even Orlie. I don't know whether any one over in this settlement will go to-night or not. Jessie, Frank and I went last Sunday in Uncle Lews buggy and Sunday before last I was at church twice Orlie, Phebe and I went to a wedding in the evening Last Friday Jessie and I were over to neighbors in the after-noon her name is Mrs. May Stuman she is a young woman they have a little girl six years old named Irene. They were at our house last Sunday after-noon and so were Mrs. and Mr. Kusel at our house last Sunday. So you see we have a few friends in Colo. Spence got here all O.K. last week he said he was a little glad to get back out here. He says he feels better out here than he does in the East. We all laugh at him because he thinks the weather is cold. He says he nearly freezes now. It isn't cold it is nice and warm but any-one from the East may think it is cool because the air is so light here and it is so damp and heavy in the Eastern states. I pulled off my heavy under-wear last night. Mama is down to phebes and Jessie just went home from there. Willie [aged 6]and Lawrence [aged almost 3] are up here playing with Elmer [aged 10] they have big times playing together. Willie and L grow so fast Elmer doesn't grow very fast. He is just about a head taller than Willie is. Floyd is so small I have to look twice to see him once little Florence is as tall as Floyd is and she is a cracker-jack she shows Jessie where The baby is and nods her head how-do-you-do and says bye-bye and says nice and pretty + see + mama Floyd isn't much of a talker. Harry built a nice new hen-house yesterday. His place is beginning to look awful nice and every-thing is as neat as a pin Bro. Weaver wrote to Uncle Lew and wanted to know if we folks were out here. They are talking about coming out here. Orlie wrote to Mr. Weaver. Orlie got a letter from Chris Miller and he is talking about coming here if he can sell his farm in Kansas he said Will is going to stay with him again this summer I expect Khulman's would think Myrtle would be ruined if she would live in Colo., Orlie struck water in town last week and he has got twenty-five feet of water now and I don't know how much more he will get he is getting plenty of wells to drill. He is talking about sending for his casing next week so he can drill a well for him-self I sent to Sears and Roebuck last week after me a new brown street hat. A person can't get a good hat here they are just Pasted to-gether. If a person gets a good one here they have to pay $3.50 or $4.00 for it. Mamma & Jessie made my brown dress that Orlie got me and it looks nice. It is made plain shirt-waist suit the waist is made with 4 tucks in the back and 4 on each side of the front and long cuffed sleeves and two rows of silk stitching on each tuck. The skirt is made five gored and has two rows of the same material around the bottom. The dress made up awfully pretty. It made up so much prettier than it looked in the piece. This is after-noon. Well Frank, Elmer, Floyd and little Florence and my-self are all that is home. Every-one of the rest of our army went out calling this afternoon. They went in the wagon over to Jim Clemens. His sister and her husband are here now. So they went to visit them.We haven't any little chickens yet. Jessie has two hens setting. Well myrtle and family Dear children I would give any thing to See you to night I was so home sick to see you me and your pa after spence come that we coulden't hardly stand it I darent to let my self think of it nor say any thing to your pa for it up sets him he wats to see you all so bad myrtle be careful and don't do to much to make you any worse I wish you could come and stay with us this summer and get some of the light air we have out here I think a person can live on that bottom to long all though I think illinois is * place but I don't think that bottom is healthy Jessie is at my house she is playing on the orgon some times she plays your favorite and then she plays Joes favorite to but I cant hardly hold in from crying when she plays then and says that myrtles and that joes favorite I was good to hear that *rea was going to stay with you again myrtle I see your new dishes surley is nice I would like to see them spence is here he looks lonesome he was telling us what a time you and *rea had buying things of apeddler That is some thing we don't have out here good by dear children kiss baby for grandma and grandpa rite soon and tell me how you are sealed with a kiss Dear sister I wish I could see you folks I am living in my new house I wish you could see it it is nice H. made a nice hen house yesterday Florence can't quite walk yet she has eight teeth I cut her hair again pa made him a real good barn it was 25 dollars we are getting some neighbors now. I wish you could see uncle L's house it is nice I wish you folks would come & see us. I will close will write soon from you loving sister Jessie kiss Little Myrtle for me. Well ma and Jessie butted in I left off where I told how many hens Jessie had setting. This is Monday morning [ this letter ends without a signature but I am pretty sure Rena May Gudgel wrote it as she has mentioned everyone else in the family. She was aged 16 at the time] Hope you enjoy. Reading these letters makes these people seem so much more human. 3 more letters to go Mia K. Adkins Fleegel Skaneateles, NY From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Amos GUDGEL Although I have not contributed as often as I would like to this listserv, I read each entry with excitement. I would like to comment on one of the topics that was first mentioned In February with the posting regarding Amos Gudgel and Mary Troutman. I have some information on this family in my database. I believe Amos is the son of David Gudgel who is the son of John Gudgel and Jane Harbison (my branch of Old Andrew's Family). Here is what I have on David and Amos: Jefferson Co.IN marriages 1831 - 1836: Pg.63 David Gudgel to Elmira Fitch License May 20 by Talbott Clk. Married on May 30,1833 by D. Willey Returned on May 27, 1833 1840 Fed. Census Scott County, IN Page 465 GUDGELL, David Males: 1 (5-10), 1 (20-30) Females: 1 (20-30) Pisgah Cemetery Jefferson Co., IN (Right now I can't find my original notes on this to verify where I found the cemetery information) GUDGEL, Elmira d. 30 July 1842 1850 Federal Census Jefferson County, Indiana Graham Tp. page 508/254 431/441 BLAKE,Andrew 32 farmer Jane 32 George 8 at school John L. 6 at school Virginia 4 William B. 1 GUDGEL, David 41 farmer Amos 16 at school Mathilda 14 at school America 10 at school Jefferson Co., IN marriages 1850 - March 1853 Pg. 150 Amos Gudgel and Mary Troutman December 11, 1853 by George Wheatly, MG 1860 Federal Census Jefferson County, Indiana Graham Tp. page 127 903/899 GAZAWAY, Thomas 78 farmer 5000 5842 VA Rebecca 58 VA Nancy 55 IN Samuel H. 19 farming IN in school Susan 18 IN in school GUDGEL, America 21 domestic IN 905/899 GUDGEL, Harvey & family David 50 IN invalid 1870 Federal Census Scott County, Indiana Jennings Tp. 607/603 GUDGEL, Amos 36 Dentist 500 IN Mary 33 Keeping House IN Hester 14 IN Alice 8 IN David 6 IN David 60 IN TROUTMAN, Jim 8 IN 1880 Federal Census Marion County, Indiana Center Tp., 205 West Ohio, Indianapolis e.d.# 119, sheet # 63, line 23 GUDGEL, Amos head 46 IN Alice A. dau 18 IN Elsworth son 16 IN Maggie dau 7 IN David father 70 IN TROUTMAN, Nancy niece 24 IN Mia K. Fleegel Skaneateles, NY From: "Mia K. Fleegel"