Start November 25, 2004 (thanksgiving) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:09:52 -0800 (PST) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Difficult Job To: Musick Research Cc: ldo@statelib.lib.in.us, Gudgel Family Donald G, Thanks for the packet. I know folks are tired of hearing me say this, but on the list of Indiana Marriages, Hannah "Mirick" who married Adam Teel is really Hannah Gudgel Musick, widow of Jesse Musick who was mortally wounded at Tippecanoe. T J Musick who married Adaline Teel is her son, Jefferson. Not sure if it would be possible to get folks in Indiana to make this correction. Maybe I will see if I can find who to contact. I managed to get Jesse Musick's name onto the rosters at Tippecanoe, maybe I can get them to correct his wife's name. Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 Company Dee http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CompanyDee/ Musick/Porter Fan Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusickPorter/ Musick Research http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusickResearch/ From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgell eBay Item Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:28:52 -0500 Hi Folks- There is an interesting item on eBay someone may want to check out. A 17 Jewel Bulova Presentation Wrist Watch that is engraved: "RICHARD GUDGELL - 25 years- The Curtis Hotel" The seller is located in Woodbury, MN. It is item #4946428211 and the = sale ends December 6th. Age is approximately 1940 - 1969 it says. Does anyone know who this Richard Gudgell was or is or maybe some = information about the Curtis Hotel?? Appears to be a nice looking watch. Guess everyone had a nice Thanksgiving. I sure did. I read somewhere = recently that the average adult consumes approximately 4,350 calories on Thanksgiving day. My goodness...no = wonder everyone falls asleep after their meal. And we are told it is something in the turkey that makes people sleepy!! = =20 Hope everyone is doing okay. Linda, from Kentucky getting cold here in KY. A few flurries on Thanksgiving Day but no snow = yet. High of 49 today. From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:32:53 EST Subject: Re: Gudgell eBay Item I don't know anything about Richard Gudgell, but found this link to information about the Curtis Hotel in Minneapolis. It was torn down in 1982, so the watch must have predated that. Interesting old hotel/motel. _http://www.lileks.com/mpls/hotels/curtis/_ (http://www.lileks.com/mpls/hotels/curtis/) Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ k Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Christmas in Colonial America To: Missouri CW , FUS discussion , Race and Slavery , Slavery Illegal , Gudgel Family , Kime Family , Black CSA , Allen Birchler , Wilbur Birchler , Kevin Hayes , Shannon Hayes , Todd Hayes , Andria Hayes-Birchler , kat Wylde http://www.ecwsa.org/civchristtideinthenewworlde.html Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 Company Dee http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CompanyDee/ Musick/Porter Fan Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusickPorter/ Musick Research http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusickResearch/ From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:05:09 EST Subject: GOTTSCHALK I happened to find the following listed in the Anaheim Cemetery, 1400 E. Sycamore St., Anaheim, Orange County CA 92805 Phone (714) 535-4928 ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ca/orange/cemeteries/anaheim.txt GOTTSCHALK, M. born: 1891- DOD: 04 Dec 1915 buried 07 Dec 1915 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:31:44 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: NancykDing@aol.com Subject: Re: GOTTSCHALK Nancy, I looked at your link on the Gottschalk. Not sure it has much to do with Gudgels because of the late date. Now if it was 1720s in PA I think we might find a connection. The name Gudgel was pretty well established with that spelling or at least Gotshall by the later 1700s. But keep looking for us. D NancykDing@aol.com wrote: > I happened to find the following listed in the Anaheim Cemetery, 1400 > E. Sycamore St., Anaheim, Orange County CA 92805 > Phone (714) 535-4928 > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ca/orange/cemeteries/anaheim.txt > > GOTTSCHALK, M. born: 1891- DOD: 04 Dec 1915 buried 07 Dec 1915 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:15:59 -0800 (PST) From: indyaco Subject: Obituary >From the Times (Valparaiso, Indiana) Robin Gail Burk Robin Gail Burk Valparaiso Robin Gail Burk, age 50, of Valparaiso, passed away Sunday, December 19, 2004 in VNA Horton Hospice Center after succumbing to a two year battle with cancer. She was born November 29, 1954 in Gary to Ronald and Ruby (Cawthon) Gudgel. On September 2, 1998 in Valparaiso, she married Dennis Burk who survives. Also surviving her are her mother, Ruby of Crown Point, her sons; Ronald Jesse Bowman and Joshua Robert Bowman, both of Valparaiso, her brother Ronald Gudgel of Avon, IN, her aunts; Joyce (James) Yurko of Frankfort, IL and Barbara (Ron) Wicoff of Danville, IL, her uncles, Harold Cawthon of Florida, Robert (Carol) Cawthon of Simsbury, Connecticut, Russell (Nancy) Cawthon of Burr Ridge, IL, and Ernest (Helen) Gudgel of Madison, WI. She was preceded in death by her father Ronald. Robin was a member of Immanuel Lutheran Church of Valparaiso. She was a fitness instructor and teacher's aide at Immanuel Lutheran School. Funeral Services will be 10:00 A.M. Thursday, December 23, 2004 at Bartholowmew Funeral Home in Valparaiso. Pastor Stephen Bongard will officiate. Entombment will take place at Graceland Cemetery. Visitation will be on Wednesday, 2:00 - 4:00 PM and 6:00 - 8:00 PM. Published in The Times on 12/21/2004. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Christmas Greetings Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:53:33 -0500 Hi Folks- Just a note to wish all my Gudgel cousins a very Merry Christmas. Like = everyone else we have been getting ready for the holidays and just being = too busy it seems. Have had little time to even work on any genealogy. = This is the first year I haven't sent Christmas cards but I appreciate = all the cards I have received from each of you. We sort of got sidetracked a few weeks ago. Gary had most of the end of = his right thumb cut off except for about a quarter of an inch on the = side. He had gloves on but it still cut through them. They were able = to sew it back on through his thumbnail and it looks like it will be = okay. Sure was nasty looking but it is healing up pretty well. Dr. = says it takes a long time for those types of injuries to heal. =20 We have more news about the first expected grandchild....it's a girl! = She will arrive about the 1st week of April so we are looking forward to = that. =20 Kentucky is getting hit hard by a major winter storm tonight. It's = freezing rain here tonight. Temperature is about 31 degrees here. West = of us (Louisville) and north (Indiana and Ohio) seems to be getting the = worst of it (snow and sleet). =20 We'll have a few days off through the new year so maybe I will soon get = back to my genealogy. Gary and I hope all of you have a wonderful holiday with family and = friends and wish each of you the very best for the coming year. =20 Regards, Linda from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Just stuff Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:00:15 -0500 Thanks to whoever sent the obituary for Robin Gail Burk. I had this = family in my files so I was glad to have the information. Was she = married to a Bowman first? I didn't recognize the sender's email = address. =20 And it was good to hear from you, Nancy Dingman. Haven't heard from you = in a long while. Glad to know you're still around! That's all for now, Linda From: "Connie" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Just stuff Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:30:38 -0500 Linda, I am just flabbergasted with this news. I saw Robin lots when = her father was sick and had no idea she was even ill. What a shock for = my family. I can't believe no one let us know but they must have their = reasons. Ronnie her father was our first cousin. Yes she was married = before to a Bowman so you have the right one. Boy this is way to young. I think the email might be from Ronnie's son, Ron ( we call him = Butch) and Robin's brother, in Indianapolis area. I do not have his = email but know he is online but did not know he was on the Gudgel-list. = If so and he sees this, I sure would like to hear from him as would = Stephen Please let us know if this is you Butch.=20 Connie Gudgel Phillips Punta Gorda, Florida ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: Just stuff Thanks to whoever sent the obituary for Robin Gail Burk. I had this = family in my files so I was glad to have the information. Was she = married to a Bowman first? I didn't recognize the sender's email = address. =20 And it was good to hear from you, Nancy Dingman. Haven't heard from = you in a long while. Glad to know you're still around! That's all for now, Linda Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 05:33:47 -0800 (PST) From: indyaco Subject: Re: Robin's Obit I sent the email. Sorry I didn't sign it. I thought my name would be tagged to it. I ran into Robin's husband, Dennis, yesterday and he let me know. I got the email out of the local newspaper yesterday. They lived near me but I never had the opportunity to get to know them. Robin's dad Ronald had spoken with my father years ago when they put together the family trees. Brian Sexton Valparaiso, IN indyaco@yahoo.com From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Christmas 1881 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:30:56 -0500 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! from Kentucky. I hope that everyone finds that missing piece of their family puzzle in 2005! Linda from Kentucky > Isn't This What Christmas Is About? > > Pa never had such compassion for the lazy or those who squandered their means and then never had enough for the necessities. But for those who were genuinely in need, his heart was as big as all outdoors. > > It was from him that I learned the greatest joy in life comes from giving, not from receiving. It was Christmas Eve 1881. I was fifteen years old and feeling like the world had caved in on me because there just hadn't been enough money to buy me the rifle that I'd wanted for Christmas. We did the chores early that night for some reason. I just figured Pa wanted a little extra > time so we could read in the Bible. After supper was over I took my boots off and stretched out in front of the fireplace and waited for Pa to get down the old Bible. > > I was still feeling sorry for myself and to be honest, I wasn't in much of a mood to read Scriptures. But Pa didn't get the Bible, instead he bundled up again and went outside. I couldn't figure it out because we had already done all the chores. I didn't worry about it > long though, I was too busy wallowing in self-pity. Soon Pa came back in. It was a cold clear night out and there was ice in his beard. > > Come on, Matt." he said. "Bundle up good, it's cold out tonight." I was really upset then. Not only wasn't I getting the rifle for Christmas, now Pa was dragging me out in the cold, and for no earthly reason that I could see. We'd already done all the chores, and I couldn't think of anything else that needed doing, especially not on a night like this. But, I knew Pa was not very patient at one dragging one's feet when he'd told them to do something, so I got up and put my boots back on and got my cap, coat, and mittens. Ma gave me a mysterious smile as I opened the door to leave the house. Something was up, but I didn't know what. > > Outside, I became even more dismayed. There in front of the house was the work team, already hitched to the big sled. Whatever it was we were going to do wasn't going to be a short, quick, little job. I could tell. We never hitched up this sled unless we were going to haul a big load. Pa was already up on the seat, reins in hand. I reluctantly climbed up beside him. The cold was already biting at me. I wasn't happy. When I was on, Pa pulled the sled around the house and stopped in front of the woodshed. He got off and I followed. "I think we'll put on the high sideboards," he said. "Here, help me." The high sideboards! It had been a bigger job than I wanted to do with just the low sideboards on, but whatever it was we were going to do would be a lot bigger with the high sideboards on. After we had exchanged the sideboards, Pa went into the woodshed and came out with an armload of wood---the wood I'd spent all Summer hauling down from the mountain, and then! > all Fall sawing into blocks and splitting. What was he doing? Finally I said something. > > "Pa," I asked, "What are you doing?" You been by the Widow Jensen's lately?" he asked. The Widow Jensen lived about two miles down the road. Her husband had died a year or so before and left her with three children, the oldest being eight. Sure, I'd been by, but so what? "Yeah," I said, "Why?" "I rode by just today, "Pa said. "Little Jakey was out digging around in the woodpile trying to find a few chips. They're out of wood, Matt." That was all he said and then he turned and went back into the woodshed for another armload of wood. I followed him. We loaded the sled so high that I began to wonder if the horses would be able to pull it. > > Finally, Pa called a halt to our loading, then we went to the smoke house and Pa took down a big ham and a side of bacon. He handed them to me and told me to put them in the sled and wait. When he returned he was carrying a sack of flour over his right shoulder and a smaller sack of something in his left hand. "What's in the little sack?" I asked. "Shoes. They're out of shoes. Little Jakey just had gunny sacks wrapped around his feet when he was out in the woodpile this morning. I got the children a little candy too. It just wouldn't be Christmas without a little candy." > > We rode the two miles to Widow Jensen's pretty much in silence. I tried to think through what Pa was doing. We didn't have much by worldly standards. Of course, we did have a big woodpile, though most of what was left now was still in the form of logs that I would have to > saw into blocks and split before we could use it. We also had meat and flour, so we could spare that, but I knew we didn't have any money, so why was Pa buying them shoes and candy? Really, why was he doing any of this? Widow Jensen had closer neighbors than us; it shouldn't have been our concern. We came in from the blind side of the Jensen house and unloaded the wood as quietly as possible, then we took the meat and flour and shoes to the door. We knocked. The door opened a crack and a timid voice said, "Who is it?" "Lucas Miles, Ma'am, and my son, Matt. Could we come in for a bit?" Widow Jensen opened the door and let us in. She had a blanket wrapped around her shoulders. The children were wrapped in another and were sitting in front of the fireplace by a very small fire that hardly gave off any heat at all. Widow Jensen fumbled with a match and finally lit the lamp. "We brought you a few things, Ma'am," Pa said and set down the sack of flour. I put th! > e meat on the table. Then Pa handed her the sack that had the shoes in it. She opened it hesitantly and took the shoes out one pair at a time. There was a pair for her and one for each of the children-- sturdy shoes, the best, shoes that would last. I watched her carefully. She bit her lower lip to keep it from trembling and then tears filled her eyes and started running down her cheeks. She looked up at Pa like she wanted to say something, but it wouldn't come out. > > "We brought a load of wood too, Ma'am," Pa said. He turned to me and said, "Matt, go bring in enough to last awhile. Let's get that fire up to size and heat this place up." I wasn't the same person when I went back out to bring in the wood. I had a big lump in my throat and as much as I hate to admit it, there were tears in my eyes too. In my mind I kept seeing those three kids huddled around the fireplace and their mother standing there with tears running down her cheeks with so much gratitude in her heart that she couldn't speak. My heart swelled within me and a joy that I'd never known before, filled my soul. I had given at Christmas many times before, but never when it had made so much difference. I could see we were literally saving the lives of these people. I soon had the fire blazing and everyone's spirits soared. The kids started giggling when Pa handed them each a piece of candy and Widow Jensen looked on with a smile that probably hadn't crossed he! > r face for a long time. She finally turned to us. "God bless you," she said. "I know the Lord has sent you. The children and I have been praying that he would send one of his angels to spare us." In spite of myself, the lump returned to my throat and the tears welled up in my eyes again. I'd never thought of Pa in those exact terms before, but after Widow Jensen mentioned it I could see that it was probably true. > > I was sure that a better man than Pa had never walked the earth. I started remembering all the times he had gone out of his way for Ma and me, and many others. The list seemed endless as I thought on it. Pa insisted that everyone try on the shoes before we left. I was amazed when they all fit and I wondered how he had known what sizes to get. Then I guessed that if he was on an errand for the Lord that the Lord would make sure he got the right sizes. > > Tears were running down Widow Jensen's face again when we stood up to leave. Pa took each of the kids in his big arms and gave them a hug. They clung to him and didn't want us to go. I could see that they missed their Pa, and I was glad that I still had mine. At the door Pa turned to Widow Jensen and said, "The Mrs. wanted me to invite you and the children over for Christmas dinner tomorrow. The turkey will be more than the three of us can eat, and a man can get cantankerous if he has to eat turkey for too many meals. We'll be by to get you about eleven. It'll be nice to have some little ones around again. Matt, here, hasn't been little for quite a spell." I was the youngest. My two brothers and two sisters had all married and had moved away. Widow Jensen nodded and said, "Thank you, Brother Miles. I don't have to say, "'May the Lord bless you,' I know for certain that He will." > > Out on the sled I felt a warmth that came from deep within and I didn't even notice the cold. When we had gone a ways, Pa turned to me and said, "Matt, I want you to know something. Your ma and me have been tucking a little money away here and there all year so we could buy that rifle for you, but we didn't have quite enough. Then yesterday a man who owed me a little money from years back came by to make things square. Your ma and me were real excited, thinking that now we could get you that rifle, and I started into town this morning to do just that. But on the way I saw little Jakey out scratching in the woodpile with his feet wrapped in those gunny sacks and I knew what I had to do. Son, I spent the money for shoes and a little candy for those children. I hope you understand." > > I understood, and my eyes became wet with tears again. I understood very well, and I was so glad Pa had done it. Now the rifle seemed very low on my list of priorities. Pa had given me a lot more. He had given me the look on Widow Jensen's face and the radiant smiles of her three children. For the rest of my life, whenever I saw any of the Jensens, or split a block of wood, I remembered, and remembering brought back that same joy I felt riding home beside Pa that night. Pa had given me much more than a rifle that night, he had given me the best Christmas of my life. > > > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR GREETINGS Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:53:08 -0500 Hi Folks- Well, here we are going into 2005. I can remember when I was growing up = that I thought the year 2000 would be like the space age. I just = couldn't imagine it. And we are in the space age I guess. =20 We are spending a quiet evening at home this New Year's Eve. Last year = we went to a Montgomery-Gentry concert in Lexington. It was pretty wild = and wooly for us but Gary loves their music so we bit the bullet and = bought expensive tickets. What a disappointment it was. They must have = been drinking all day because they were pretty well shot and the only = thing that saved the concert was they also had the Charlie Daniels Band. = Anyway we decided Montgomery-Gentry sounded better on the radio and = recordings. Lexington is their hometown and they are thrilled to be = coming back tonight. Hope this one is better for the concert goers. =20 So how about the rest of you....anyone go out on the town? What's the tradition in your family about when to take down the = Christmas Tree? Happy New Year to all my GUDGEL/GUDGELL cousins. May 2005 richly reward = each of us in our genealogy research. Cheers! Linda, from Kentucky High of 62 today. About 45 tonight and light rain. Christmas tree will = come down tomorrow. Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:25:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. HAPPY NEW YEAR GREETINGS from Everett WA Yes, same to Y'all ! Still 2004 over here. Not for long though. Just hanging around watching movies tonight. No Christmas lights this (last) year. Just Christmas lights around the windows. Happy New year ! Rainy and cold here in the north west.... I'll be happy to be going to Cocoa Florida for a few days towards the end of January. boB From: myrnareynolds@att.net To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GREETINGS Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:21:45 +0000 Hi Linda and Everyone, When to take down the tree, huh? Well, lessee, one year I hid Easter Eggs under it. How's that for a tradition? Warm and moist in Ct. Just finished "working" a party filled with 19 & 20 yr. olds in my basement. I'll be so glad when these kids are 21!! Happy New Year!! Myrna, W. Hartford, Ct. -------------- Original message from "Linda Gudgel Finnell" : -------------- Hi Folks- Well, here we are going into 2005. I can remember when I was growing up that I thought the year 2000 would be like the space age. I just couldn't imagine it. And we are in the space age I guess. We are spending a quiet evening at home this New Year's Eve. Last year we went to a Montgomery-Gentry concert in Lexington. It was pretty wild and wooly for us but Gary loves their music so we bit the bullet and bought expensive tickets. What a disappointment it was. They must have been drinking all day because they were pretty well shot and the only thing that saved the concert was they also had the Charlie Daniels Band. Anyway we decided Montgomery-Gentry sounded better on the radio and recordings. Lexington is their hometown and they are thrilled to be coming back tonight. Hope this one is better for the concert goers. So how about the rest of you....anyone go out on the town? What's the tradition in your family about when to take down the Christmas Tree? Happy New Year to all my GUDGEL/GUDGELL cousins. May 2005 richly reward each of us in our genealogy research. Cheers! Linda, from Kentucky High of 62 today. About 45 tonight and light rain. Christmas tree will come down tomorrow. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Mountjoy Book Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:53:08 -0500 Hi Folks- I believe I told the list a long while back about a book that was being = piblished by Margaret B. Kinsey called "MOUNTJOY OMNIBUS". I had no = idea what an Omnibus was so I looked it up in Webster's dictionary: -- OMNIBUS adj: of, relating to, or providing for many things or = classes at once.-- And that is exactly what this is......"Every Mountjoy,Montjoy,Monjoy (or = whose mother or grandmother had the name) born before 1900, and who = resided in the area now in the United States". It was completed and = published in 2001 and I have received my copy as a Christmas present = from my sister-in-law. It is absolutely amazing the data that Mrs. = Kinsey has compiled and I can't even begin to imagine how long she has = worked on this. Not just data but lots of personal stories, letters, = documents, etc. And she documented everything. She was a wonderful = researcher. I first met Mrs. Kinsey through snail mail when I answered a query she = had posted in the Kentucky Ancestors in 1999. I shared a lot of = information with her about the GUDGEL(L)'s and related families. She was = such a nice lady. So in 2001 I saw a book review in the Kentucky = Ancestors about her book so I knew it was completed. =20 I contacted her by email about 2 or 3 months ago about some additional = information I needed about my MOUNTJOY/McGINNIS line and she sent me a = couple of paragraphs from her book. So I put this book on my wish list = at the last minute and emailed her and told her this order was going to = be coming and it was to be for me. Never heard back from her so I = wondered if maybe she was sick or something. Christmas came and = passed--still no book. About a week ago my sister-in-law got a letter = from her family that she had passed away quietly while taking a nap = December 9th in Dallas, TX. They sent the nicest picture Christmas card = of a family reunion in October, 2004 on the Ellis County, TX Farm and = there was Margaret right in the front. I had never met her so I was = glad to at least see her picture. Margaret was 84 years young and was = born in Butler, MO in 1920, the dau. of Roy and Anna Mountjoy Biser. = She spent her early years in KY and TN and then in Texas. I will miss = my friend, Margaret. So if anyone ever needs any information on the MOUNTJOY and related = families just remember that I have this wonderful book which I will = gladly share. Margaret did a fantastic job on it. =20 Linda from Kentucky raining and warm. I have hyacinths coming up and it's TOO early! These = flowers don't know what to do when it turns warm like this. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Otto J. Gudgel Death Certificate Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:07:25 -0500 I had received this death certificate a while back but thought someone = may be able to use the information. Linda Kentucky Death Certificate- File # 13728, Registered # 2487- O.J. Gudgel County: Jefferson Co., KY; Precinct: Deputy, Indiana #1 Place of Death: Jewish Hospital, Louisville, KY Male, white, married. wife: Dona Gudgel Deceased's date of Birth:June 24, 1870, near Deputy, Indiana. Age: 65 yrs., 10 ,mos., 27 days. Occupation: Farmer, retired. Father: Wesley D. Gudgel, b. near Deputy, Indiana Mother: Mathilda Stewart, b. near Deputy, Indiana Informant: wife, Mrs. Otto J. Gudgel, Deputy, Indiana Date of Death: May 21, 1936 Cause of Death: Myocarditis, (several years duration), Acuta (post = operative)=3DSurgery May 19, 1936. Physician: L. Wallace Frank and Leon L. Solmon Burial: Deputy, Indiana May 24, 1936 Undertaker: Harry Taff, Deputy, Indiana From kmcnutt@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 10:25:21 2005 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:25:10 -0800 From: Kraig McNutt To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com, jdiorio@voyager.net Subject: Gudgels inthe Civil War Cc: bgudgel@eskimo.com Juanita, (and Bob whom I CC'd) I was delighted to find this web page about the Gudgel renunion: http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgreun.htm My wife is directly descended from Frances Jane (Wallace) who married John Wallace of course. Elvira Wallace was a child of John and Frances. Elivra married Andrew Gudgel, as I'm sure you know all this. My name is Kraig McNutt and I'm doing reserach on the 58th Indiana during the Civil War to publish. I recently posted this article on my web site: http://www.civilwargazette.faithsite.com/content.asp?CID=77680 Can you please contact me? My phone is (615) 599-4081 or email is kmcnutt@gmail.com You probably know this already but Andrew served in the 58th Indiana, Company A with three of his sons: Abraham, Edward and Jacob. Two others served inthe war too: William and Thomas for other Indiana regiments. I'm particularly looking for items of interest that would help me tell the story of the brave patriotism of the Gudgels in the Civil War: letters, photos, equipment, etc. Even post-war photos of the Gudgels would be helpful. I have much information on the first-cousins the Gudgels were related to in the war I'd bve willing to share. Can you please help? Most sincerely and appreciative. Kraig -- Kraig W. McNutt Director, The Center for the Study of the American Civil War kmcnutt@gmail.com http://www.grapevinedispatches.com Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:01:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Kraig McNutt joins the gudgel-list I received a message from Kraig McNutt today and it also went to the gudgel-list archives, but I do not believe it went out to the list itself. I have subscribed Kraig and will repost his message here. Happy 2005 cybercousins ! boB >From kmcnutt@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 10:25:21 2005 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:25:10 -0800 From: Kraig McNutt To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com, jdiorio@NOSPAMvoyager.net Subject: Gudgels inthe Civil War Cc: bgudgel@eskimo.com Juanita, (and Bob whom I CC'd) I was delighted to find this web page about the Gudgel renunion: http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgreun.htm My wife is directly descended from Frances Jane (Wallace) who married John Wallace of course. Elvira Wallace was a child of John and Frances. Elivra married Andrew Gudgel, as I'm sure you know all this. My name is Kraig McNutt and I'm doing reserach on the 58th Indiana during the Civil War to publish. I recently posted this article on my web site: http://www.civilwargazette.faithsite.com/content.asp?CID=77680 Can you please contact me? My phone is (615) 599-4081 or email is kmcnutt@NOSPAMgmail.com You probably know this already but Andrew served in the 58th Indiana, Company A with three of his sons: Abraham, Edward and Jacob. Two others served inthe war too: William and Thomas for other Indiana regiments. I'm particularly looking for items of interest that would help me tell the story of the brave patriotism of the Gudgels in the Civil War: letters, photos, equipment, etc. Even post-war photos of the Gudgels would be helpful. I have much information on the first-cousins the Gudgels were related to in the war I'd bve willing to share. Can you please help? Most sincerely and appreciative. Kraig -- Kraig W. McNutt Director, The Center for the Study of the American Civil War kmcnutt@NOSPAMgmail.com http://www.grapevinedispatches.com From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Andrew Gudgel Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:28:48 -0800 Hello Kraig, Do you mind posting the birth dates, and wife's names of the men you say are Andrew's sons? And who is Andrew's father? There are several Andrews in the Gudgell line and I need more information in order to identify your family. I don't have an Andrew who has those named sons, but I do have an Andrew with those names as brothers. The family I have are sons of William, son of Andrew Sr. Thank you Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: And now the rest of the story...... Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:36:21 -0500 Hi Folks- A good friend of mine is indexing the obits from The Anderson News, a = local paper in Anderson Co., KY. She is finding lots of other stories, = etc. and shared this one with me since she knew I was interested in = anything=20 "GUDGEL(L)". =20 January 1, 1903 Flogged With A Trace The Louisville papers of last Friday contained lengthy articles about = former Anderson County people who live across the Ohio river at = Franklin, Indiana. The actors in the play, as stated, were Mr. and Mrs. John Gudgell and = Rueben Wright, the hired man, accused by the husband of paying more = attention to Mrs. Gudgell than to his work on the farm. On Wednesday morning, Wright went to the barn to do his feeding, and = Mrs. Gudgell soon afterwards went out to get cobs with which to start a = fire in the kitchen stove. This enraged Gudgell, who loaded his shotgun = and started to the stable after Wright, but the latter saw him coming = and made his escape. Gudgell, who is said to have an ungovernable = temper seized his wife and gave her such an unmerciful beating with a = trace that medical attention had to be summoned. Relatives of both parties in this county went to Indiana to learn the = particulars of the unpleasant affair, and Mrs. Gudgell will bring suit = for a divorce. The people of Franklin speak in high terms of Mrs. = Gudgell, and say that she is innocent of the charges made by her = husband, They are highly wrought up over the affair, and it is said = that criminal prosecution will follow. John Gudgell is well known in this county, he being a brother of Jas. C. = (James Clay) Gudgell , of Alton, where he lived until his marriage to = Miss Ella Lyons,, daughter of Robert Lyons, who was during his life, one = of our most respected citizens and a man of considerable means. Miss = Lyons was only a child at the time of her marriage to Gudgell, being but = thirteen or fourteen years of age. Many who know Gudgell here say that = he is a man who is unable to control himself when angry, and many times = while they lived in this county he beat his wife most mercifully. *************************************************************************= ********************************************************** Notes from Linda-- What is a Trace? Well, well.....this is the stuff we don't normally hear, isn't it . = I think in this day and age it is known as spouse abuse. I checked and saw that this John (John Harvey Gudgell) was the youngest = child of John H. Gudgell of Bath Co., KY and his distant cousin, = Elizabeth Gudgell of Anderson Co., KY. I have always wondered about = marrying within the family and the results of bad genes. Maybe = not--could be he was just the baby of the family and spoiled rotten to = have his way. Other thoughts are that I was raised at Alton and it was = formally named "Rough and Ready" long ago. Now I wonder if this is one = of the reasons for it's prior name! There was a saloon in the center of = Alton many years ago called Chimney Corner and at one time our farm was = right next to this property. It was converted to a house at that time. = I try to imagine the carousing that went on there. Apparently Ella did = divorce John because he married in 1906 to Martha Dunigan. Ella died in = 1915. And the story goes on........ Another article that my friend found..... February 20, 1913 RESIDENCE BURNED The residence of Mr. John Gudgel burned a week or so ago at Alton and = The Anderson News omitted it through error, which we regret. It burned = to the ground and the contents were nearly all consumed, we are told. = The origin of the fire is unknown, with about $2,500. loss and about = $600. insurance. *************************************************************************= ***************************************************************** (Notes from Linda) John Harvey GUDGELL was appointed guardian of his nephew, James Austin = GUDGELL, at the death of James Clay GUDGELL, his brother. John owned a = General store in Alton and his wife, Martha, was Post-Mistress. The = store and family home were destroyed by fire. The remainder of his life = was spent as a whiskey store-house guager. It is stories like this that really add to our researching and make it = much more than people living and dying. Hope you enjoyed this as much = as I did. I am sure it was bad for Ella and also to endure all the = scandal in a small town.....and then I wonder about his second wife, = Martha,....did she live a life of abuse from John also? Who knows, = maybe the hired hand, Reuben, was just nice to her. Linda from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Cc: "Sam Gudgel" Subject: The Year is 1904 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:29:03 -0500 Subject: The Year is 1904 Maybe this will boggle your mind, I know it did mine! The=20 year is 1904 . one hundred years ago. What a difference a century = makes!=20 Here are some of the US statistics for 1904: The average life expectancy in the US was 47 years. Only 14% of the homes in the US had a bathtub. Only 8%of the homes had a telephone. A three-minute call from Denver to New York City cost=20 $11.00. There were only 8,000 cars in the US, and only 144 miles=20 of paved roads. The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph. Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were each more=20 heavily populated than California. With a mere 1.4 million = residents,=20 California was only the 21st most populous state in the Union. The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower. The average wage in the US was 22 cents an hour. The average US worker made between $200 and $400 per year. A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per=20 year, a dentist $2,500 per year. A veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year. A mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year. More than 95 percent of all births in the US took place at=20 home. Ninety % of all US physicians had no college education.=20 Instead, they attended medical schools, many of which were = condemned in the=20 press and by the government as "substandard." Sugar cost four cents a pound. Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen. Coffee was fifteen cents a pound. Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used=20 borax or egg yolks for shampoo. Canada passed a law prohibiting poor people from entering=20 the country for any reason. The five leading causes of death in the US were: 1. Pneumonia and influenza 2. Tuberculosis 3. Diarrhea 4. Heart disease 5. Stroke The American flag had 45 stars. Arizona, Oklahoma, New=20 Mexico, Hawaii, and Alaska hadn't been admitted to the Union yet. The population of Las Vegas, Nevada, was 30! Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented. There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day. Two of 10 US adults couldn't read or write. Only 6 % of all Americans had graduated high school. Marijuana, heroin, andmorphine were all available over the counter at corner drugstores. According to one pharmacist, = "Heroin clears=20 the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the = stomach and=20 bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health." = (Shocking!) Eighteen percent of households in the US had at least one full-time servant or domestic. There were only about 230 reported murders in the entire=20 US And I forwarded this from someone else without typing it=20 myself, and sent it to you in a matter of seconds! Try to imagine what = it=20 may be like in another 100 years ... it staggers the mind. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Is anybody there? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:47:56 -0500 Hi Folks- Just been thinking about all you cousins and wondering where everybody = is. Anyone care to share how things are with you and your family = lately? We are about 10 weeks away from being grandparents. That's the biggest = news here at the moment. =20 We've also opened a booth at the Versailles Flea Mall to sell some = antiques and things we've had stored way too long. We really enjoy = going to auctions and just decided we can't keep buying...we have to = sell some things and keep the things we like the most. And now that the = girls are grown and gone it's time to scale down some I guess. Gary says if we lived in a barn we would have it full . The list has been very slow this winter....maybe come spring we will get = rejuvenated. Let us hear from you guys. Linda from Kentucky cold (not freezing) and wet. Groundhog Day will soon be here! From: "Jennette Gudgel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Is anybody there? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:17:52 -0600 Well, good to hear from you Linda. What have I been doing? =20 Well, on Dec. 2nd I took a tumble--indoors--at work. Long story short, compound fracture of the left wrist and fractured hip. = So I have been pretty well "beached" for the last 2 months! But, wonderful surgeons, and therapists have me well on the mend. It's been a great time for thinking and reading, and a welcome relief to = the hectic pace of pre and post election. =20 I'm home now, and able to be on the computer 20 minutes per hour. Oh yes, weather-- very little snow -- and right now it's in the 30s and = 40s. The weather has gone south for the winder! Happy Groundhog Day! -jennette ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: Is anybody there? Hi Folks- Just been thinking about all you cousins and wondering where everybody = is. Anyone care to share how things are with you and your family = lately? We are about 10 weeks away from being grandparents. That's the = biggest news here at the moment. =20 We've also opened a booth at the Versailles Flea Mall to sell some = antiques and things we've had stored way too long. We really enjoy = going to auctions and just decided we can't keep buying...we have to = sell some things and keep the things we like the most. And now that the = girls are grown and gone it's time to scale down some I guess. Gary says if we lived in a barn we would have it full . The list has been very slow this winter....maybe come spring we will = get rejuvenated. Let us hear from you guys. Linda from Kentucky cold (not freezing) and wet. Groundhog Day will soon be here! From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:55:31 EST Subject: Re: Is anybody there? Hi All; I haven't been participating much on the list lately. I have been spending most of my genealogy time working on my mother's side of the family in England and Scotland. Without much success, I might add. We are thinking about a trip over there this spring or fall. We had a trip scheduled there late last summer and then I developed some heart problems that caused us to cancel the trip. Nothing very serious. A couple of stents and I'm as good as new, or so my cardiologist says. We did spend a month in Europe over the holidays. It was a trip we had planned a year ago, but my mother became ill and we canceled that one also. Mom, Helen Mae ALLEN GUDGEL, died on December 18, 2003 in Valentine, Nebraska. She was 90 years old and we had just had a large open house in celebration of her 90th birthday on November 23, 2003 (her birth date was November 22, 1913.) We then went skiing in Colorado for a week with the family and returned to Tucson to prepare for our trip. Before our departure date, Mom became seriously ill, so we canceled the trip and went back to Nebraska. Anyway, things seem to be going better now and we did get our trip in. We flew to Vienna for a few days and then did a Christmas Market cruise on the Danube from Vienna to Nuremberg, with stops in various places. Our favorites were Salzburg, Regensburg and Rothenburg. We also enjoyed Nuremberg, but it is so popular and crowded that we liked the smaller towns much better. We then went on to Prague for a few days. Prague was far and away our favorite on this trip. Actually it may be our favorite European city, knocking Edinburgh off the top of our list. Our son and daughter-in-law live in Jugenheim, Germany and came to Prague to meet us. After a few days in Prague we went to Jugenheim and spent the Holidays with them. They had been to the US for three weeks in November and had spent Thanksgiving week with the family here in Tucson, so we managed to see more of them this year than usual. All in all, a great trip. My only complaint was the temperature. Highs mostly in the mid to upper 20's (Fahrenheit) , lows in the mid to high teens and quite a bit of snow. Fortunately it was all snow and no rain so it was not bad to be out in and it was appropriate for the Christmas Markets. We are having great weather here. Mostly sunny and highs in the sixties. We wish everyone a wonderful year. Happy hunting, genealogically speaking. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Chronology of Andrew Gudgel Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:17:40 -0500 Hi Folks- I was filing some genealogy papers tonight and came across extra copies = of a Chronology Report of Andrew Gudgel that was compiled for the 2004 = Gudgel Gathering by Terri Montigny (descendant of Daniel) and Mia = Fleegel (descendant of John). These gals did a wonderful job of putting = this report together and everyone at the Gathering got one. I realized = that many of you that weren't able to join us at the 2004 Gathering = might like a copy. =20 So if you would like a copy just let me know and tell me where to send = it. BTW, someone asked about the sex of the grandbaby--it's a girl! And Dave, Dianne and Jennette- thanks for letting us know what's going = on with you guys. I am sorry to hear Dave and Jennette have had some = health issues. Hope all is going well for you both now. Linda from Kentucky cold and damp. Flurries this a.m. but supposed to be a nice weekend = with temps about 55 degrees! That's a heat wave this time of year . = And the old groundhog (Pucksatanny Phil?) did see his shadow. So what = is it...6 more weeks of winter weather? I know I misspelled Pucksatanny = but that's the best I can do right now. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Chronolgy of Andrew Gudgel Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:01:59 -0500 Hi Folks- For those who asked for copies of this report I will try and mail them = out this week. There were two with requests but no address for mailing: Lois Miller Kellee Meyer I will be glad to mail these at no cost. Consider it my contribution to = each of you in appreciation for all that you have added by being a part = of this family group. I'm glad to do it. Linda=20 from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: 2 obits Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:19:20 -0500 Hi Folks- I'm cleaning and filing a bit and ran across these two obits that I need = help identifying. I don't think I have sent them before, but if I did I = apologize. Can anyone identify these people and tell me where they fit = into our Gudgel(l) family tree? Published in the Monterey Herald, Monterey, CA February 20, 2004 John B. Gudgel Age 62, of Salinas died Monday, February 16. He was born July 10, 1941 = in Indianapolis, Indiana and had lived in Salinas for 27 years. A = graduate from Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo with a degree in Soil Science he = dedicated his life to Agriculture. He had recently retired from Santa = Maria Seeds. Survivied by his wife of 44 years, Mona Gudgel; daughter, = Shannon Sanchez of Salinas; son, Joe Gudgel of Salinas; grandchildren, = Corey and Collin Sanchez, Ashley and Austin Gudgel. A memorial service = will be held at 1 p.m. Saturday, February 28, at the Sanctuary Christian = Fellowship, 345 East Alvin, Salinas. Memorials may be sent to the = Monterey County Historical Society, P.O. Box 3576, Salinas, CA 93912 or = Salinas Chrisian School, 345 E. Alvin, Salinas, CA 93906 (Note from Linda- As I am typing this I realize who this is, I think. = Is John's wife, Mona Gudgel with the Monterey County Historical Society? = I have heard from her before and I think she has also written several = books. Does anyone know her?). *************************************************************************= ************************************************************ GUDGELL, Mabel P. Beloved wife, aunt, age 91, formerly of San Diego, CA. Passed away = peacefully, surrounded by her family on May 1, 2004, Survived by loving = husband of 60 years, Charles "Ken"; nephews, Thomas (Nancy) and Paul = (Carole) Maloney; neice, Joyce (Bill) Herzog; also many great nieces and = nephews. Funeral service 11 a.m. Tuesday with visitation 10-11 a.m. = prior to the service at Roberts Funeral Home, 8108 Barbara Avenue, IGH. = Interment Riverview Cemetery. Special thanks to the staffs of the Inver = Grove Heights Presbyterian Home and Health East Hospice. Published in = the Pioneer Press on 5/3/2004. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Woodford Crossfield & Amanda GudgeL Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:40:50 -0500 Hi Folks- Over the next few days I will submit articles from microfilm of the = Anderson News, a long local newspaper in Anderson Co., KY. There are = death notices, marriages, anniversary announcements, and a few humerous = stories. October 16, 1890, Anderson News, Anderson Co., KY GOLDEN WEDDING Mr. Woodford Crossfield and Miss Amanda Gudgel, daughter of Mr. Elijah = Gudgel, were married in this county October 20, 1840. Next Monday will = be their 50th anniversary of their wedding day and they have invited all = their friends to meet them at their home near Fox Creek. Mr. Crossfield = is now 74 years of age, his good wife being just three score and ten. = They were both born in this county and are still living on the farm = where he was living at the time of his marriage. Theirs has indeed been = a happy lot, each having been spared to the other through fifty years of = sunshine and storm, and thus being a source of pleasure to one another = that no fortune could bestow. The News sends hearty congratulations, = and wishes to them many more days of happiness together. *************************************************************************= *************************************************************** Amanda Gudgel's lineage is as follows: Amanda Gudgel and Woodford Crossfield Elijah Gudgel and Lydia Bell Jacob Gudgel and Drucilla Driskill Andrew Gudgel and Barbara (Hoch?) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:06:54 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Civil war soldiers Hello Gang From Doyal Gudgel I came across an interesting article which gives some information on what class of citizens made up the Union Army during the unCivil War. From the list of Gudgels in that war it was same as he found out. All the Gudgels I know of were in the lower income strata. In fact I don't remember seeing any who were not farmers or farm workers. This is what his research shows. My GG Grandfather Henry T Gudgel enlisted even though he had either 4 or 5 children. He also had a farm with back due property tax the sheriff was about to take. An amount of about 3.00 which he couldn't pay. Southern Gudgels may have had some in the more well to do class but I would have to go back over the records to find out. This was written by William Marvel who wrote Andersonville, Flight to Appomattox among others. I'll CC a copy to Mr. Marvel so I wont have to write an other letter. Doyal Gudgel Two decades ago while scanning the pension records and census information of soldiers who went off to the Civil War from my hometown of Conway, New Hampshire, I began to notice that the heaviest casualties fell among those residents who came from the lowest economic strata of their community. With the usual handful of notable exceptions, young men from the wealthiest families either served in secure rear-echelon positions, enlisted for reasonably safe short-term duty, or avoided service altogether. That may fail to surprise a sophisticated modern observer, but in the past the Civil War had not been subjected to extensive social study, and most of us had been taught that our ancestors flocked spontaneously and patriotically to the colors. My examination of Conway's soldiers led me to conclude that the poorest of them had enlisted with an envious eye to the regular pay, municipal family assistance, and modest bounties of the war's early days. The later volunteers were apparently drawn even more irresistibly by skyrocketing bounties: by the autumn of 1864 Conway recruits were being offered three years' wages for a one-year enlistment. For a long time I supposed that Conway's soldiers had been unique in their rather mercenary motivation, but more recent research has convinced me that the phenomenon pervaded the North from the opening guns to the final troop levy of 1865. Economic benefit clearly rivaled any patriotic incentive for the Union army in general, and in many individual cases the need or the desire for cash appears to have exceeded love of country in attracting soldiers. Whatever might be said of Confederate motivation, the Southern soldier certainly did not enlist for money: puny remuneration and runaway inflation precluded any appeal from that quarter. The principal draw appears to have been the threat to the homeland. The first engagements demonstrated as much, and particularly the battle of Bull Run, where equally inexperienced armies confronted each other. While disorganization afflicted both armies in that battle, it was the invading Union army that disintegrated in panic; whole regiments from Massachusetts, New York, and New Hampshire threw down their arms and fled for their lives. One Pennsylvania regiment refused to fight at all, and every man but the colonel marched away from the sound of the guns even as their comrades entered the fray. The day ended in the complete defeat and dispersal of United States forces. Throughout the war, outnumbered Confederates faced down overwhelming Union armies and often beat them. One of the most famous examples was Chancellorsville, where Robert E. Lee's army trounced a Union host twice its size. Less well known is the affair of June 9, 1864, when about 125 reserve militiamen from Petersburg, Virginia, held off 1400 Federal cavalry on the outskirts of their city until regular Confederate troops could reach the field. The reserve militia, consisting of cripples and citizens under or over the military age limits of 18 to 45, suffered 50 percent casualties. The most veteran professional soldiers would have abandoned the field before that: only the determination to defend their homes could explain their desperate stand. When U.S. troops invaded Iraq nearly two years ago, a friend of mine expressed surprise and a touch of indignation that the Iraqi soldiers did not simply desert their army and surrender. I was a little taken aback at that, for it ignored the enormous loyalty people feel toward their homeland. However, the same unreasonable expectations seem to actuate the current administration's foreign policy. The 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq may be enough to "monitor" an election and guard certain strongholds, but they can never completely subdue the nationalist faction in so large a country. It took nearly three million Union soldiers to conquer a Confederacy much less populous than modern Iraq, and federal troops occupied the South for another dozen years; once they left, the old regime resumed control. The American occupation of Iraq struggles against the moral advantage enjoyed by those who are defending the land of their birth from alien invaders. The "insurgents" of that war see themselves as the true patriots of that conflict. They merely imitate the tactics of the Minutemen who chased the redcoats back to Boston, and of John Mosby's guerrilla war against Phil Sheridan's Yankee cavalry. They defend their homeland as ferociously as the old men and boys of Petersburg did, fighting with a spirit that we can only hope American citizens would show if a foreign power landed an army on our shores to deliver us from George W. Bush. William Marvel is a freelance writer in New Hampshire and served in the U.S. Army from 1968-1971. His many books include the award-winning Andersonville: The Last Depot and Lee's Last Retreat: The Flight to Appomattox. You can send your comments to bill@interventionmag.com From: myrnareynolds@att.net To: ralphj@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Cc: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Liven this morgue up a little Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:57:18 +0000 Ok. It's come to this, has it? We'll liven up the morgue a little with some equal billing!!! Do you like this one, Ralph Johnson? Tuesday was Groundhog Day, and it was also the day of the President's State of the Union Address. It is an ironic juxtaposition. One involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication and the other involves a groundhog. Dear Abby: My husband is a liar and a cheat! He has cheated on me from the beginning, and when I confront him, he denies everything. What's worse, everyone knows he cheats on me. It is so humiliating! Also, since he lost his job three years ago he hasn't even looked for a new one. All he does is buy cigars cruise around and bull$hit with his pals, while I have to work to pay the bills. Since our daughter went away to college he doesn't even pretend to like me and hints that I am a lesbian. What should I do?- Signed, Clueless ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Clueless: Grow up and dump him! For Pete's sake, you don't need him any more. You're a United States Snator from New York. Act like it! From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel News from Microfilm Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:04:57 -0500 The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY December 25, 1890 Another Sudden Death During the last three months there has been hardly an issue of the News = that it has not recorded the unexpected death of some citizen. On = Tuesday afternoon the report was brought to town that Mr. Woodford = Crossfield, of the Fox Creek community, had died with scarcely a moments = warning. He was considered in excellent health up to the instant of his = death. A few weeks since we gave an account of his golden wedding with = a short sketch of his life. He was 74 years of age, while his wife, who = is also seriously ill, is in her seventy-first year. The remains were = interred yesterday in the family burial ground near the residence of = Hon. R. H. Crossfield, the funeral sermon having been preached by Elder = Smith Hawkins. Thus closes an honorable and useful life and a faithful = soldier has been called to his reward. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Herbert Gudgel (1887-1912) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:27:48 -0500 The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY March 14, 1912 Herbert Gudgel, aged twenty-five years, died at the home of his parents, = Mr. and Mrs. Ben T. Gudgel, in Frankfort, Monday morning, after a = lingering illness of several weeks of tuberculosis. For the past four = years he had been employed by the Adams Express Co., and was esteemed = alike by his employers, co-workers and other acquaintances. Services = were conducted at the home Tuesday morning by Rev. Eberhardt, pastor of = the Baptist church, of which the deceased had been a consistent member, = after which the remains were brought to the Fox Creek cemetery and laid = to rest, Mt. Eden Tent, No. 97, K.O.T.M., having charge of the services = at the grave. Mr. and Mrs. Gudgel are former residents of this county = where they have a host of friends and relatives who sincerely sympathize = with them in their sad bereavement. From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , References: <000801c50fe1$b57cf250$51d0bd3f@userz93ujzrnh3> Subject: Re: Herbert Gudgel (1887-1912) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:49:37 -0800 Linda Could you give us the lineage for Herbert, I don't have him in my = database? I do have a Benjamin Thomas, but don't have his wife or = children. Thanks for your help - the newspaper articles are interesting. Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:27 PM Subject: Herbert Gudgel (1887-1912) The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY March 14, 1912 Herbert Gudgel, aged twenty-five years, died at the home of his = parents, Mr. and Mrs. Ben T. Gudgel, in Frankfort, Monday morning, after = a lingering illness of several weeks of tuberculosis. For the past four = years he had been employed by the Adams Express Co., and was esteemed = alike by his employers, co-workers and other acquaintances. Services = were conducted at the home Tuesday morning by Rev. Eberhardt, pastor of = the Baptist church, of which the deceased had been a consistent member, = after which the remains were brought to the Fox Creek cemetery and laid = to rest, Mt. Eden Tent, No. 97, K.O.T.M., having charge of the services = at the grave. Mr. and Mrs. Gudgel are former residents of this county = where they have a host of friends and relatives who sincerely sympathize = with them in their sad bereavement. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More on Herbert Gudgel Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:39:54 -0500 Nancy- Here is a Family Group Sheet for the family Ben T. Gudgel, father = of Herbert Gudgel, as you requested. Descendants of Benjamin Thomas = Gudgel Generation No. 1 1. BENJAMIN THOMAS6 GUDGEL (JACOB MADISON5 GUDGELL, ELIJAH4, JACOB3 = GUDGEL, ANDREW2 GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 GOTTSCHALK) was born July 15, 1860 = in Anderson Co., KY, and died August 29, 1923 in Franklin Co., KY. He = married (1) SUSAN HATTIE BICKERS March 17, 1886 in Anderson Co., KY, = daughter of JOHN BICKERS and ARMENTA GUDGEL. She was born January 31, = 1863 in Anderson Co., KY, and died June 05, 1894. He married (2) IDA = OLGA HALMHUBER April 14, 1896 in Frankfort, KY. She was born February = 26, 1872, and died November 13, 1952 in Frankfort, KY. Notes for BENJAMIN THOMAS GUDGEL: Per Mrs. Edward Gideon Martin: At one time Ben and Ida lived at 214 = Conway Street, Frankfort, KY. Ben is buried in the Frankfort Cemetery, Franklin Co., KY, Section P, = lot 483, grave 6. 1900 Census, Anderson Co., KY Lawrenceburg #1 (South),June 18, 1900, pg. 24, line 44, 295/298 GUDGEL, Fannie, Head, female, white, b. August 1835, age 64,widow, 8 = children/4 living., b. KY,KY,KY, Farmer next door: line 45, 296/299 GUDGEL, Bwn T., Head, male, white, b. July 1860, age 39, marr. 4 years. Ida, wife, female, white, b. Feb. 1873, age 27, b. KY,Germany, KY, marr. = 4 yrs., 2 children/2 living. Herbert A., son, white, male, b. Feb. 1887, age 13, single, at school, = KY KY KY. Mamie L., dau., female, white, b. Nov., 1889, age 10, single, at school, = KY KY KY. Mary F., dau, white, female, b. Aug. 1897, age 2, single, KY KY KY Margaret L., dau., female, white, b. Oct. 1899, age 7/12, single, KY, = KY, KY. 1910 Federal Census, Franklin Co., KY, 1-WD Frankfort District-Steele = Street page 6, 117/122 GUDGEL, Benjamin T., Head, m, w, 49, marr. 2, marr. 14 yrs, b. KY, fa. = b. KY, mo. b. KY Ida, wife, f, w, 38, marr. 1, 14 yrs., 4 child., 4 living, b. KY, fa. b. = Ger, mo. b. Ger Mary , Dau., f, w, 12, single Margaret L., Dau., f, w, 10, single John W., Son, m, w, 7, single Emma J., Dau, f, w, 6, single Herbert A., Son, m, w, 23, single Mamie L., Dau., f, w, 23, single (all ch. b. KY, fa. b. KY, mo. b. KY) 1920 Federal Census, Franklin Co., KY Bridge Pct., Magisterial District #3, pge. 8, January 9, 1920 Line 11, 316/157/160- Conway Street GUDGEL, Ben T., Head, male, white, 59, married, b. KY, fa. b. KY, mo. b. = KY, Proprieter-Retail Grocer Ida, wife, female, white, 47, married, b. KY, fa. b. GER, mo. b. KY, = Partner-Retail Grocer Mary F., dau., female, white, 22, single, b. KY, Teacher-City Schools Margaret, dau., female, white, 20, single, b. KY John W., son, male, white, 17, single, b. KY, Salesman-Retail Grocer Emma, dau., female, white, 15, single, b. KY More About BENJAMIN THOMAS GUDGEL: Burial: August 31, 1923, Frankfort Cemetery, Frankfort, KY Notes for SUSAN HATTIE BICKERS: Died 31 years of age. Married at Fox Creek. Both parents b. Anderson = Co., KY. Marriage Bond signed by J.A. Griffey. Witnessed by ___ Bledsoe = and William Griffey. More About SUSAN HATTIE BICKERS: Burial: Fox Creek Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY Notes for IDA OLGA HALMHUBER: Buried in the Frankfort Cemetery, Franklin Co., KY, Section P, lot 483, = grave 5. Aged 80 years at her death. More About IDA OLGA HALMHUBER: Burial: November 15, 1952, Frankfort Cemetery, Frankfort, KY Children of BENJAMIN GUDGEL and SUSAN BICKERS are: i. HERBERT A.7 GUDGEL, b. February 15, 1887, Anderson Co., KY; d. March = 11, 1912, parents home in Frankfort, KY. Notes for HERBERT A. GUDGEL: The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY March 14, 1912 Herbert Gudgel, aged twenty-five years, died at the home of his parents, = Mr. and Mrs. Ben T. Gudgel, in Frankfort, Monday morning, after a = lingering illness of several weeks of tuberculosis. For the past four = years he had been employed by the Adams Express Co., and was esteemed = alike by his employers, co-workers and other acquaintances. Services = were conducted at the home Tuesday morning by Rev. Eberhardt, pastor of = the Baptist church, of which the deceased had been a consistent member, = after which the remains were brought to the Fox Creek cemetery and laid = to rest, Mt. Eden Tent, No. 97, K.O.T.M., having charge of the services = at the grave. Mr. and Mrs. Gudgel are former residents of this county = where they have a host of friends and relatives who sincerely sympathize = with them in their sad bereavement. More About HERBERT A. GUDGEL: Burial: Fox Creek Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY 2. ii. MAYME LEE GUDGEL, b. November 07, 1889, Anderson Co., KY; d. July = 07, 1932, Franklin Co., KY. Children of BENJAMIN GUDGEL and IDA HALMHUBER are: iii. MARY FRANCES7 GUDGEL, b. August 18, 1897; d. January 17, 1985, = Frankfort, KY. Notes for MARY FRANCES GUDGEL: Buried in Frankfort Cemetery, Franklin Co., KY, Section P, lot 483, = grave 10. Aged 87 years and unmarried at her death. She resided at 308 = Hermitage Drive , Frankfort, Ky in September, 1972. She was a retired = teacher for the Frankfort City Schools. More About MARY FRANCES GUDGEL: Burial: January 19, 1985, Frankfort Cemetery, Frankfort, KY 3. iv. MARGARET LOUISE GUDGEL, b. October 24, 1899; d. December 20, = 1979, Virginia. 4. v. JOHN WILLIAM GUDGEL, b. September 13, 1902; d. February 26, 1965. 5. vi. EMMA JESSIE GUDGEL, b. January 14, 1904; d. July 03, 1972, = Frankfort, KY. (procmail dumped email with subject "Levin Wilson Gudgel" to /dev/null 2-11-05) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. Levin Wilson Gudgel I just noticed that a message with the subject, "Levin Wilson Gudgel" got dumped into oblivion... My spam and virus filter I use here at eskimo normally will save spam in a file where I can look at it. Certain virus' are dumped completely because I get so many of these with a certain email header "signature", but this email subject looks like it might be legit. This email went away for good. If anybody knows who this might have been, could you find out so I can contact them, or you could contact them and make sure they know that they have to subscribe to the mail list in order to post. I'm assuming that someone wanted to post without subscribing but not being able to see the email I cannot follow up. Thanks, boB From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Edward Steele and Miss Lavinia Gugdel Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:52:55 -0500 The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY March 5, 1891 Edward Steele and Miss Lavinia GUDGEL were married at the residence of = the bride's father, Mr. William Gudgel, on Woodford Street, yesterday = afternoon with Eld. A.S. Mountjoy officiating. The bride is well known = in this community, where she has won many admirers by her modest and = becoming manners. The groom came here a few mnonths since from Madison, = Ind. and by his businesslike conduct has gained the confidence of many = of our citizens. Mr. and Mrs. Steele will make this place their future = home. The news extends congratulations, wishing them a useful and happy = life. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Chronology Report of Andrew Gudgel Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:18:22 -0500 Hi Folks- I will be mailing these reports out Wednesday I hope. Had a bigger = response than I anticipated so I had to get more copies. =20 As I said before, Mia and Terri did a wonderful job of putting this = together so be sure and let them know you appreciate their efforts. =20 And let the list hear from you once in a while. We are all family and = need to keep in touch. It doesn't always have to be genealogy....let's = all lighten up. If you have had a crappy day we want to hear about it. = Maybe we can make you feel better after you hear about our day ! If = you have a praise or blessing we want to know about that too. I know a = couple of you have had some health issues that we don't know about until = you're one the mend-- well, share that with us too. This is Your list and you all need to be a part of it. You know...last Wednesday I had a really crappy day at = work........... Linda from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Atillo Gudgel Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:45 -0500 (This ine is so funny I will let this be my Valentine to you for = tomorrow. Linda) The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY July 16, 1891 "Cat"-Achrestic--- Mr. Watts silver mine has ceased to interest Alton capitalists, and as = we see from the following item taken from the Lexington Transcript they = are catching on to an investment which will yield a surer and quicker = return: "Mr. Atillo Gudgel, a young capitalist living near Alton, KY, = has contracted with Prof. DeLong, of Stanton, Wisconsin to furnish him = three hundred thousand cats to operate his newly invented feline motor, = which bids fair to prove the eighth wonder of the world. There is a = process by which the electricity in a cat's fur may be extricated by a = peculiar revoluntionary friction and used for various electric-motor = purposes. Mr. Gudgel has just returned from Stanton, and says there is = no doubt of the success of the new project. He has established his = cat-farm, as it were, near the station on the Louisville Southern road. = As he is a gentleman of great energy, ability and almost unlimited = means, he will doubtless make a success of the venture". July 23, 1891 Alton News Since the startling notice of Mr. Castillo Bill Gudgel has appeared in = the news and the Lexington Transcript, he has had 567 cats sent to him = for use. So far the experiment has been a success and Mr. Gudgel thinks = before the week has ended he will have 3,000 cats on his ranch. (Note- I have never seen Atillo Gudgel referred to as "Castillo Bill = Gudgel" anywhere except here. Linda). *************************************************************************= *************************************************************** I am at a loss for words and was trying to think of some clever comment = about this whole thing. I just imagine a lot of barns were ridded of = cats about that time and the mice must have had a field day!!). Happy = Valentine's Day to all. Linda From: "Mia K. Fleegel" References: <000b01c51243$d74661f0$39d1bd3f@userz93ujzrnh3> Subject: Son in Iraq Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:51:32 -0500 Hi all, I thought I would share that my son, John Russell Fleegel is currently = serving with the United States Marines in Iraq. He joined the Marines = last March 29th and finished his basic Training at Parris Island, NC on = June 25th. Since then he has received desert training at Twentynine = Palms, CA and urban warfare training also in CA. He left for Iraq on = Jan 14th and is stationed near Fallujah. He is in the infantry and is = in daily risk of injury while on daily patrols on a mission of safety = and security in Iraq. We have heard from his once since he left (last = Saturday). He had just finished his first shower since leaving the = United States. He was a little tired of eating MREs (meals ready to eat) = as they have no chow hall at his base but his spirits are good and he is = confident he can complete the expected 7 to 9 month mission and return = home in one piece. I would like to request your prayers for his safe = return and the safety of all in Iraq. =20 John will be 21 on May 4th.=20 Thanks,=20 Mia Fleegel From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Edward Steele and Miss Lavinia Gugdel Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:28:47 -0800 Hi Linda I don't seem to have this family either. I have a lot of William = Gudgels, but none with this daughter. Thanks for the last help you gave = me, with Benjamin. Now I need help with the correct William! Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: Edward Steele and Miss Lavinia Gugdel The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY March 5, 1891 Edward Steele and Miss Lavinia GUDGEL were married at the residence of = the bride's father, Mr. William Gudgel, on Woodford Street, yesterday = afternoon with Eld. A.S. Mountjoy officiating. The bride is well known = in this community, where she has won many admirers by her modest and = becoming manners. The groom came here a few mnonths since from Madison, = Ind. and by his businesslike conduct has gained the confidence of many = of our citizens. Mr. and Mrs. Steele will make this place their future = home. The news extends congratulations, wishing them a useful and happy = life. Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:28:28 -0800 (PST) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Re: Liven this morgue up a little To: myrnareynolds@att.net, ralphj@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Apropos to nothing: "I'll make a deal with the Republicans. If they'll stop telling lies about Democrats, we'll stop telling the truth about them." Adlai Ewing Stephenson myrnareynolds@att.net wrote: Ok. It's come to this, has it? We'll liven up the morgue a little with some equal billing!!! Do you like this one, Ralph Johnson? Tuesday was Groundhog Day, and it was also the day of the President's State of the Union Address. It is an ironic juxtaposition. One involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication and the other involves a groundhog. -------------- Original message from Ralph Johnson : -------------- Dear Abby: My husband is a liar and a cheat! He has cheated on me from the beginning, and when I confront him, he denies everything. What's worse, everyone knows he cheats on me. It is so humiliating! Also, since he lost his job three years ago he hasn't even looked for a new one. All he does is buy cigars cruise around and bull$hit with his pals, while I have to work to pay the bills. Since our daughter went away to college he doesn't even pretend to like me and hints that I am a lesbian. What should I do?- Signed, Clueless ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Clueless: Grow up and dump him! For Pete's sake, you don't need him any more. You're a United States Snator from New York. Act like it! Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree Allah ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusickPorter/ Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PleasurePower/ Company Dee http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CompanyDee/ From: "Robert Gudgel" Subject: Spam Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:56:39 -0600 I was getting plenty of Spam before the Gudgel-List started the = Political stuff. Looks like it has got a way off the subject. From: "Jennette Gudgel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Atillo Gudgel Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:16:36 -0600 What an entrepreneur! Wonder what ever happened to the project............it would make a = wonderful short story. -jennette ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: Atillo Gudgel (This ine is so funny I will let this be my Valentine to you for = tomorrow. Linda) The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY July 16, 1891 "Cat"-Achrestic--- Mr. Watts silver mine has ceased to interest Alton capitalists, and as = we see from the following item taken from the Lexington Transcript they = are catching on to an investment which will yield a surer and quicker = return: "Mr. Atillo Gudgel, a young capitalist living near Alton, KY, = has contracted with Prof. DeLong, of Stanton, Wisconsin to furnish him = three hundred thousand cats to operate his newly invented feline motor, = which bids fair to prove the eighth wonder of the world. There is a = process by which the electricity in a cat's fur may be extricated by a = peculiar revoluntionary friction and used for various electric-motor = purposes. Mr. Gudgel has just returned from Stanton, and says there is = no doubt of the success of the new project. He has established his = cat-farm, as it were, near the station on the Louisville Southern road. = As he is a gentleman of great energy, ability and almost unlimited = means, he will doubtless make a success of the venture". July 23, 1891 Alton News Since the startling notice of Mr. Castillo Bill Gudgel has appeared in = the news and the Lexington Transcript, he has had 567 cats sent to him = for use. So far the experiment has been a success and Mr. Gudgel thinks = before the week has ended he will have 3,000 cats on his ranch. (Note- I have never seen Atillo Gudgel referred to as "Castillo Bill = Gudgel" anywhere except here. Linda). = *************************************************************************= *************************************************************** I am at a loss for words and was trying to think of some clever = comment about this whole thing. I just imagine a lot of barns were = ridded of cats about that time and the mice must have had a field = day!!). Happy Valentine's Day to all. Linda From: To: "'Arleigh Birchler'" , , , Subject: RE: Liven this morgue up a little Apropos to more nothing: the British twit at the turn of the last century who said to his political opponent "I would not embrace your politics or mistress. I would be hung from the gallows for the one and die of a hideous disease from the other." I think online is perfect for "politics." You don't have to hear the derision or sarcasm in the words or see eyes popping, temple veins throbbing or froth at the corner of a loved one's mouth. Mia, the Gudgels were farmers. God loves farmers. He made Adam and he was a farmer. I feel like I have residual grace from my farming ancestors. God will keep your son in His perfect will. I enjoy reading all the Gudgel emails. Thanks. Genell Muery, Great, great Granddaughter of Calvin Gudgel. Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:28:50 -0500 From: Arleigh Birchler [mailto:abirchler16@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:28 AM To: myrnareynolds@att.net; ralphj@eskimo.com; gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Liven this morgue up a little Apropos to nothing: "I'll make a deal with the Republicans. If they'll stop telling lies about Democrats, we'll stop telling the truth about them." Adlai Ewing Stephenson myrnareynolds@att.net wrote: Ok. It's come to this, has it? We'll liven up the morgue a little with some equal billing!!! Do you like this one, Ralph Johnson? Tuesday was Groundhog Day, and it was also the day of the President's State of the Union Address. It is an ironic juxtaposition. One involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication and the other involves a groundhog. -------------- Original message from Ralph Johnson : -------------- Dear Abby: My husband is a liar and a cheat! He has cheated on me from the beginning, and when I confront him, he denies everything. What's worse, everyone knows he cheats on me. It is so humiliating! Also, since he lost his job three years ago he hasn't even looked for a new one. All he does is buy cigars cruise around and bull$hit with his pals, while I have to work to pay the bills. Since our daughter went away to college he doesn't even pretend to like me and hints that I am a lesbian. What should I do?- Signed, Clueless ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Dear Clueless: Grow up and dump him! For Pete's sake, you don't need him any more. You're a United States Snator from New York. Act like it! Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree Allah ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusickPorter/ Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PleasurePower/ Company Dee http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CompanyDee/ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:43:56 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Robert Gudgel Subject: Re: Spam Yes, we have plenty of real research to do and share. Lets get back on the topic. Dianne Robert Gudgel wrote: > I was getting plenty of Spam before the Gudgel-List started the > Political stuff. Looks like it has got a way off the subject. From: "Stephen Gudgel" <932762318@terra.es> To: "Jennette Gudgel" , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Atillo Gudgel Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:26:50 +0100 My first thought was: could this have hurt the cats in any way? And = who would be set up for feeding so many cats and having a place for them = all to do their necessities. This would have been before kitty litter. = It would take more than just getting all the cats there. I have three = cats and couldn't help thinking: poor cats! Stephen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jennette Gudgel=20 To: Linda Gudgel Finnell ; Gudgel List=20 Sent: dilluns, 14 / febrer / 2005 17:16 Subject: Re: Atillo Gudgel What an entrepreneur! Wonder what ever happened to the project............it would make a = wonderful short story. -jennette ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: Atillo Gudgel (This ine is so funny I will let this be my Valentine to you for = tomorrow. Linda) The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY July 16, 1891 "Cat"-Achrestic--- Mr. Watts silver mine has ceased to interest Alton capitalists, and = as we see from the following item taken from the Lexington Transcript = they are catching on to an investment which will yield a surer and = quicker return: "Mr. Atillo Gudgel, a young capitalist living near = Alton, KY, has contracted with Prof. DeLong, of Stanton, Wisconsin to = furnish him three hundred thousand cats to operate his newly invented = feline motor, which bids fair to prove the eighth wonder of the world. = There is a process by which the electricity in a cat's fur may be = extricated by a peculiar revoluntionary friction and used for various = electric-motor purposes. Mr. Gudgel has just returned from Stanton, and = says there is no doubt of the success of the new project. He has = established his cat-farm, as it were, near the station on the Louisville = Southern road. As he is a gentleman of great energy, ability and almost = unlimited means, he will doubtless make a success of the venture". July 23, 1891 Alton News Since the startling notice of Mr. Castillo Bill Gudgel has appeared = in the news and the Lexington Transcript, he has had 567 cats sent to = him for use. So far the experiment has been a success and Mr. Gudgel = thinks before the week has ended he will have 3,000 cats on his ranch. (Note- I have never seen Atillo Gudgel referred to as "Castillo = Bill Gudgel" anywhere except here. Linda). = *************************************************************************= *************************************************************** I am at a loss for words and was trying to think of some clever = comment about this whole thing. I just imagine a lot of barns were = ridded of cats about that time and the mice must have had a field = day!!). Happy Valentine's Day to all. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John Russell Fleegel in Iraq Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:28:12 -0500 Mia- I was just wondering about John this week. I thought you told us at the = October Gathering that he was going to leave in January. John will be = in my prayers for his safe return and also for you and your family in = dealing with this. Thanks for letting us know and keep us posted as to how he is doing = during his tour. Linda from Kentucky Rain this a.m. Off to work now. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Atillo Gudgel Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:28:51 -0500 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:02 AM Subject: Atillo Gudgel Nancy, Per your request- Atillo Gudgel was the son of Jacob Gudgel = (1822-1913) and Minerva Julia Stout (1840-1925), all from Anderson Co., = KY Descendants of Atillo = Gudgel Generation No. 1 1. ATILLO6 GUDGEL (JACOB5 GUDGELL, ANDREW4 GUDGEL, JACOB3, ANDREW2 = GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 GOTTSCHALK) was born October 19, 1865, and died = September 30, 1897. He married STELLA GAINES, daughter of GABRIEL GAINES = and ANN MCCORMICK. She was born September 1874, and died 1965. More About ATILLO GUDGEL: Burial: Alton Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY Notes for STELLA GAINES: Marriage Bond recorded in Anderson Co., KY, Book S, page 134. 1900 Federal Census, Anderson Co., KY Alton District, Page 46A, line 39 61/61 GAINES, Gabriel b. Nov., 1823 76, m38y Merchant Ann E., wife b. Feb., 1840 60, 4-4 GUDGEL, Stella, dau. b. Sept., 1874 25 widow 2-2 GUDGEL, Marzette, grand dau., b. January, 1896 age 4 GUDGEL, William H., grandson, b.December, 1897 age 2 Children of ATILLO GUDGEL and STELLA GAINES are: 2. i. VANNIE MARZETTE7 GUDGEL, b. January 21, 1895, Anderson Co., KY; d. = January 06, 1994, Harrodsburg, Mercer Co., KY. ii. WILLIAM HANSFORD GUDGEL, b. December 07, 1896; d. December 02, 1920, = Lincoln Co., KY; m. BESS BURKHOLDER, September 22, 1920. Notes for WILLIAM HANSFORD GUDGEL: Attended Alton School 1895 and 1897. Entered U.S. Army August 14, 1918 = at Auburn, AL-Polytechnic Institute-Radio Department. November 8, 1918 = promoted to Acting Lieutenant, shortly after his discharge December 14, = 1918. Was married. In 3 mos. he again contacted pnuemonia, which proved = fatal. July 1919 to July 1920 he was associated with J.C. Wilson & Co. = of Louisville, KY (investment brokers. Entered Transylvania University = in Lexington, KY for a special course upon being mustered out of = service. Resided in Stanford, KY at his death. He played the guitar. His = neice, Frances Wickliffe, of Harrodsbug, KY told me: Died maybe of acute = appendicitus-not pnuemonia. His widow told this to Frances's mother, = Marzette. Generation No. 2 2. VANNIE MARZETTE7 GUDGEL (ATILLO6, JACOB5 GUDGELL, ANDREW4 GUDGEL, = JACOB3, ANDREW2 GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 GOTTSCHALK) was born January 21, = 1895 in Anderson Co., KY, and died January 06, 1994 in Harrodsburg, = Mercer Co., KY. She married ERROL W. DRAFFEN December 10, 1919 in = Anderson Co., KY. He was born April 21, 1894 in Anderson Co., KY, and = died 1959. Notes for VANNIE MARZETTE GUDGEL: Marriage Bond recorded in 1919, Book (3?), pg. 112. Marzette's mother got Marzette's name from a French novel she read, per = her grand-daughter, Francis Wickliffe, of Harrodsburg, KY. Attended Alton School District 1895, 1897. Resided in Fort Worth, Texas = at her brother's death and in the 1970's resided in Harrodsburg, KY. = Member of Harrodsburg Christian Church, graduate of Kavanaugh High = School and Hamilton College, Lexington, KY. Member of Delta Delta Delta = Sorority and a representative of Desciples pf Christ International = Conference in Austria, Mexico City and London, England, At her death she = was survived by 1 dau., 2 grandchildren and 2 great grandchildren. She = played the piano among other instruments. More About VANNIE MARZETTE GUDGEL: Burial: Springhill Cemetery, Mercer Co., KY Child of VANNIE GUDGEL and ERROL DRAFFEN is: 3. i. FRANCES DAWSON8 DRAFFEN, b. November 10, 1923, Anderson Co., KY. Generation No. 3 3. FRANCES DAWSON8 DRAFFEN (VANNIE MARZETTE7 GUDGEL, ATILLO6, JACOB5 = GUDGELL, ANDREW4 GUDGEL, JACOB3, ANDREW2 GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 = GOTTSCHALK) was born November 10, 1923 in Anderson Co., KY. She married = WILLIAM "PETE" ARRINGTON WICKLIFFE, son of JOHN WICKLIFFE and CHRISTINE = OATES. He was born September 24, 1922 in Greenville, Muhlenburg Co., KY, = and died January 22, 1993. Children of FRANCES DRAFFEN and WILLIAM WICKLIFFE are: i. CHRISTINE DRAFFEN9 WICKLIFFE, b. July 31, 1949, Fayette Co., KY; m. = DAVID SPRAGEANS. 4. ii. WILLIAM BENSON WICKLIFFE, b. February 29, 1952, Fayette Co., KY. Generation No. 4 4. WILLIAM BENSON9 WICKLIFFE (FRANCES DAWSON8 DRAFFEN, VANNIE MARZETTE7 = GUDGEL, ATILLO6, JACOB5 GUDGELL, ANDREW4 GUDGEL, JACOB3, ANDREW2 = GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 GOTTSCHALK) was born February 29, 1952 in Fayette = Co., KY. He married GWEN MAYES.=20 Children of WILLIAM WICKLIFFE and GWEN MAYES are: i. AMY DAWSON10 WICKLIFFE, b. July 31, 1980. ii. JOHN ARRINGTON WICKLIFFE, b. Abt. 1986. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Lavinia Gudgel Steele Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:29:24 -0500 Nancy- Sorry, I think I sent the wrong group sheet. I sent Atillo Gudgel and = you asked for Lavenia Gudgel Steele's family. Will send it tonight. = Got to go to work now. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Family Group Sheets Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:06:27 -0500 Hi Folks- When asked to send these family group sheets it reminds me how = incomplete my files are on some of your lines. Some of you I have = corresponded with a long while (some even before this list!) and there = have been times when I realized I didn't have all of your lineages = complete in my database. I guess we tend to share bits and pieces a lot = and never get the entire line completed. So a while back I decided that = I was pretty much stuck on Andrew and Frederick at that time and that I = would concentrate on closer lines of descent and try and complete them. So if you have a line that needs some gaps filled in maybe I have = something you need, maybe not. But I will be glad to share. I know = there are folks on this list that we haven't heard from. I also had a = newcomer email me direct and said she didn't know how to send a message = to the list. For anyone who wants that information just send a message = to: Gudgel-List@eskimo.com and everyone on the list will get your = message. I am not sure how many we have subscribed now (Bob-can you give us that = information?) but I know I hear from folks I didn't even know were = subscribed. That's all for now. And BTW, I had a good day at work today . Linda from Kentucky Warmer today and tomorrow...look out Thurday and Friday--the last of the = winter blast is coming. From: gardner gudgel Subject: [Fwd: Re: Atillo Gudgel] After I returned from over seas in the early 70's I started SunFlow Solar System, a passive solar heating company. Before starting my business I discussed this venture with my father Boyd Gudgel. I told him of all the new technology of making and storing energy. He chuckled a little and told me that stuff had been around since he was a little boy. He told me of the time he went to visit a relative who had electricity. I don't remember how he said he made the electricity but I do remember him saying that he stored in a basement full of batteries. My father was born in Alton Ky in 1912. I wonder if Atillo Gudgel was the one he was speaking of ? Gerald Gudgel From: "Stephen Gudgel" <932762318@terra.es> To: "Arleigh Birchler" , , , Subject: Re: Liven this morgue up a little Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:08:55 +0100 OK, I'm going to chime in. I think what we see from all this is that = everyone is being a good sport about this and that is a very good sign. = We should all be mature enough to handle some political jokes back and = forth. Certainly, none of this stuff has bothered me. And maybe this is as good a time as any to propose something to the = people on the list. I ran this by Mia when we met last summer and also = mentioned it to Dianne. I think it would be very interesting and = informative for us to share our family's religious and political = background. If any list members are sensitive about talking about their = own religious or political feelings, then they could skip that. But I = think it would be nice to know what you all know about your ancestors' = political leanings and religious beliefs. =20 >From what I have seen in the obituaries and other things we've read, the = majority seem to be from Protestant backgrounds. A lot of people seem = to be Baptists, for example. We've wondered if the early Gudgels = (Gottshalls, Gottschalks??) might have been Mennonites. I think it is = reasonable to guess from what we've seen that they were from some = conservative Protestant faith. I know a few of the Gudgels today are = Roman Catholic, but it seems to be from the non-Gudgel side of the = family in the cases I know about. I'm curious. Are there any others? = Any Jews? Any Anglicans? Any known Quakers? Others? So, since I am the one who is suggesting we share this, I will start. I = don't know about Shelby Grafton, my great-grandfather's faith. Maybe = Mia will have some information on this. But my grandfather, Morton = Schuyler was a Protestant. I know they had a family Bible and read it = and don't think they were affilitated with a particular denomination = when my grandparents were married. My mother thought they attended the = Methodist church, but they were farmers and I imagine they went to the = church they could get to near their farm. Later, when their children = were adults and some of them were married, two of my aunts attended a = tent meeting / revival (I am assuming most of you know what that is, but = let me know if you don't.) being given by the Church of the Nazarene. = They had a spiritual experience at that revival and convinced my = grandparents to go. In the end, the whole family converted to the = Nazarene faith and my grandparents were charter members of the new First = Church of the Nazarene in Hoopeston, Illinois. Most of my father's = siblings stayed with that church and some of my cousins are still = members of it. My father and one of his sisters later transferred their = memberships to the Methodist Church (now United Methodist), which was = also my mother's religion. The Nazarene Church has a heavy emphasis on = music and I am sure that appealed to my father's family as they were all = very musical, as my sisters and my brother and I are. Everybody in the = family can sing and some of us also play musical instruments. Some of = my cousins are musicians and/or music teachers by profession. =20 As for politics, my father's side of the family were mostly Democrats, = especially from the time of FDR on. I remember that when JFK was = running, that was a bit of a challenge for the family, as it was for = many people, as it was the first time a Catholic was running (or at = least in their lifetime as far as they knew) and that was a big contrast = for that strict Protestant upbringing, but they were for JFK, in the = end. It was funny, because my hometown is about 90 per cent Republican, = at least, and my father was a milkman. We were all prohibited from = telling our school friends that our parents were Democrats, because my = father would have lost most of his customers. And he really would have. = My father had four sisters and two brothers. His family was pretty = poor. They had enough to eat, but few modern conveniences. They used = horses in the field. My father's family, and my father in particular, = always cared about the hard-working people who were struggling and he = always believed the Democrats cared more about the common people than = the Republicans did. He always said that as hard as the Depression was = on everybody, one thing it did was make people more humble and more = generous and cooperative with each other. My father's family was very = generous with the little they had. They always had cousins, neighbors = or somebody staying with them who was going through a bad time and had = even less than they did. We always had a lot of visitors and family at = our house too, and we could have our friends over as much as we wanted. = The family was hospitable and we never had anybody visit or come by to = work or for any other reason without offering them something to eat and = drink. We didn't have a lot, but we always shared what we had. So that's my story. I'd like to see if it is similar to any of your = stories. Stephen Barcelona From: "William Gudgel" Subject: Re: Spam Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:48:23 -0800 Hello Cousins, I agree with Bob and Dianne. Political discussions almost always becomes someone's dogmatism. We have enough to talk about on the Gudgel-List without opening a door for political arguments or a political joke that someone will perceive as an insults. Have a great week, Chaplain Bill Gudgel, USMC Veterans Association, Evansville, Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gudgel To: Gudgel_List Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: Spam I was getting plenty of Spam before the Gudgel-List started the Political stuff. Looks like it has got a way off the subject. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Chronology of Andrew Gudgel Reports Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:51:52 -0500 Famous last words..... They're in the mail! Went out today so be on the lookout. Linda Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:11:38 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: "gudgel-list@eskimo.com" Subject: oral history 20th century While I agree some of the messages have been off base, I really liked Stephen's wonderful oral history of his 20th century family's religious and political life. That is very appropriate when done the way he did. I am sure he could provide more stories too. As an oral historian myself, I'd give him an 'A.' If you read the older obits they often state that the deceased was a Republican or member of such and such a church or organization, but the reasons behind those affiliations never come through. This is the meat that we all seek to flesh out our sterile family history documents. More power to those who can write about sensitive subjects in non-judgmental ways. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:56:38 -0800 (PST) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Religion and Politics To: Stephen Gudgel <932762318@terra.es>, myrnareynolds@att.net, Stephen, I have been working on the various lines of my family, and have been looking especially at their religions and politics. My Mom's mother was from a long line of Southerners, and they were very involved in the Confederate cause in Missouri and Arkansas. Her Dad's family were Scottish Canadians. On her mother's side, they were mostly Methodist ministers. Her Dad was very religious, but I do not know his denomination. Her Mom was in the Church of the Nazarene when I was a child. Dad's Mom's family were Methodist and Disciples of Christ. That is were the connection to Andrew Gudshall comes in, and we always thought he was Mennonite, perhaps once removed. That branch of the family lived in Central Illinois, knew Abe Lincoln before he became famous, and were all Union. Dad's Dad's folks were Swiss Catholics who came over after the Revolution of 1848, but his Dad became a protestant non-attender. One of my parents was a Democrat, and the other a Republican, and they decided early on that neither of them would vote in elections since they would just cancel each other out. I just got back from a one month trip to a small Muslim village in West Africa. While there I was reading Mark A Noll's "America's God; From Jonathan Edwards to Abraham Lincoln", and a collection of short articles by Gloria Steinem, who I met this Fall. Arleigh Stephen Gudgel <932762318@terra.es> wrote: OK, I'm going to chime in. I think what we see from all this is that everyone is being a good sport about this and that is a very good sign. We should all be mature enough to handle some political jokes back and forth. Certainly, none of this stuff has bothered me. And maybe this is as good a time as any to propose something to the people on the list. I ran this by Mia when we met last summer and also mentioned it to Dianne. I think it would be very interesting and informative for us to share our family's religious and political background. If any list members are sensitive about talking about their own religious or political feelings, then they could skip that. But I think it would be nice to know what you all know about your ancestors' political leanings and religious beliefs. >From what I have seen in the obituaries and other things we've read, the majority seem to be from Protestant backgrounds. A lot of people seem to be Baptists, for example. We've wondered if the early Gudgels (Gottshalls, Gottschalks??) might have been Mennonites. I think it is reasonable to guess from what we've seen that they were from some conservative Protestant faith. I know a few of the Gudgels today are Roman Catholic, but it seems to be from the non-Gudgel side of the family in the cases I know about. I'm curious. Are there any others? Any Jews? Any Anglicans? Any known Quakers? Others? So, since I am the one who is suggesting we share this, I will start. I don't know about Shelby Grafton, my great-grandfather's faith. Maybe Mia will have some information on this. But my grandfather, Morton Schuyler was a Protestant. I know they had a family Bible and read it and don't think they were affilitated with a particular denomination when my grandparents were married. My mother thought they attended the Methodist church, but they were farmers and I imagine they went to the church they could get to near their farm. Later, when their children were adults and some of them were married, two of my aunts attended a tent meeting / revival (I am assuming most of you know what that is, but let me know if you don't.) being given by the Church of the Nazarene. They had a spiritual experience at that revival and convinced my grandparents to go. In the end, the whole family converted to the Nazarene faith and my grandparents were charter members of the new First Church of the Nazarene in Hoopeston, Illinois. Most of my father's siblings stayed with that church and some of my cousins are still members of it. My father and one of his sisters later transferred their memberships to the Methodist Church (now United Methodist), which was also my mother's religion. The Nazarene Church has a heavy emphasis on music and I am sure that appealed to my father's family as they were all very musical, as my sisters and my brother and I are. Everybody in the family can sing and some of us also play musical instruments. Some of my cousins are musicians and/or music teachers by profession. As for politics, my father's side of the family were mostly Democrats, especially from the time of FDR on. I remember that when JFK was running, that was a bit of a challenge for the family, as it was for many people, as it was the first time a Catholic was running (or at least in their lifetime as far as they knew) and that was a big contrast for that strict Protestant upbringing, but they were for JFK, in the end. It was funny, because my hometown is about 90 per cent Republican, at least, and my father was a milkman. We were all prohibited from telling our school friends that our parents were Democrats, because my father would have lost most of his customers. And he really would have. My father had four sisters and two brothers. His family was pretty poor. They had enough to eat, but few modern conveniences. They used horses in the field. My father's family, and my father in particular, always cared about the hard-working people who were struggling and he always believed the Democrats cared more about the common people than the Republicans did. He always said that as hard as the Depression was on everybody, one thing it did was make people more humble and more generous and cooperative with each other. My father's family was very generous with the little they had. They always had cousins, neighbors or somebody staying with them who was going through a bad time and had even less than they did. We always had a lot of visitors and family at our house too, and we could have our friends over as much as we wanted. The family was hospitable and we never had anybody visit or come by to work or for any other reason without offering them something to eat and drink. We didn't have a lot, but we always shared what we had. So that's my story. I'd like to see if it is similar to any of your stories. Stephen Barcelona ----- Original Message ----- From: Arleigh Birchler To: myrnareynolds@att.net ; ralphj@eskimo.com ; gudgel-list@eskimo.com Sent: dilluns, 14 / febrer / 2005 11:28 Subject: Re: Liven this morgue up a little Apropos to nothing: "I'll make a deal with the Republicans. If they'll stop telling lies about Democrats, we'll stop telling the truth about them." Adlai Ewing Stephenson Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree Allah ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusickPorter/ From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: James Clay Gudgel Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:29:09 -0500 Descendants of James Clay Gudgell Generation No. 1 1. JAMES CLAY6 GUDGELL (JOHN H.5, ALLEN4, ANDREW GUDGELL3 JR., ANDREW2 = GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 GOTTSCHALK) was born March 11, 1858 in Bath Co., = KY, and died June 21, 1906. Notes for JAMES CLAY GUDGELL: Was given custody of his nephew, James Austin GUDGEL, at the death of = his brother, John Harvey GUDGEL, in 1937. James never married. He served = as Master Commissioner of the Anderson Circuit Court in Anderson Co., = KY. He came to Anderson Co., KY at the age of 14 and attended school = there. He was a Maccabee. Apparently he died right afte the article = appeared in a Souvenir Supplement to the Anderson News in 1906 which = follows: Souvenir Supplement The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY, June, 1906, pg. 19: J.C. GUDGEL The Master Commissioner of the Anderson Circuit Court is one of the most = sterling Democrats in the county. He has ever given of his time and = talents for the benefit of his party, and never yet has his party had = occasion to regret the trust imposed in him. Born and reared in Bath = County, he came here at the age of 14 and entered the common schools, = where he received his education. On leaving school he found employment = on a farm until he became twenty-one years old. After leaving the farm = he secured the appointment of storekeeper-guager under Mr. Cleveland, = and served during both his terms. He afterward held several offices of = trust, among them being a Democratic Committeeman. He was the first to = become an Election Commissioner under the Goebel Law, in which he served = two terms. During all the time he was serving his party he found time to = conduct a large general merchandise store at Alton, in this county. = During the heated race of Judge Carroll and R.F. Peak for Circuit Judge = of the twelfth Judicial District he worked so indefatigably and = earnestly and successfully for Mr. Peak that when that most estimable = man took his seat as Judge he immediately appointed Mr. GUDGEL his = Master Commissioner, an office which he now holds with honor to himself = and great satisfaction to all litigants. Besides his many political = duties and those as a merchant, he has also found time to handle some = few horses, and to-day has an interest in some of the very best. = Recently he had a narrow escape from death. While riding one of his = magnificent thoroughbreds, the animal threw him and his foot becoming = caught in the stirrup, he was dragged over his place. He was badly = injured but has since recovered. Mr. GUDGEL is still actively engaged in = politics, and is always on the alert to extend a helping hand in the = interests of his party. No man in the county is a harder worker in the = political arena than he, and no man comes forth from the fray with = cleaner hands and purer motives. The Democrats of this county know that = when they want a clean, honest and upright man to take his coat off and = do true work for the party and the principles of the party the little = village of Alton harbors that man in the person of our worthy Master = Commissioner, James Clay GUDGELL. He yet enjoys what some people call = single blessedness, though he frankly says he cannot understand why they = speak of it so. He is also a Maccabee and works as untiringly for his = lodge as he does everything else he undertakes. *************************************************************************= ************** Will of James Clay GUDGEL Anderson Co., KY Will Book B, page 276 In the name of God, Amen, I, James Clay GUDGEL, of the County of = Anderson, state of Kentucky, being of sound mind and memory do hereby = make and constitute this my Last Will and Testament annulling all other = former wills hereby made. It is my desire and will that all my just debts be fully paid together = with my funeral expenses. I give and bequeath unto my nephew, James Austin GUDGEL, my life = insurance policy of $1,000.00 and I hereby name and appoint my brother, = John H. GUDGEL as Guardian of James A. GUDGEL without bond. I give and bequeath unto my brother, John H. GUDGEL and my sisters, = Nannie MOUNTJOY, Emma RINGO, Hattie MOORE and Cordelia WILSON, the = remainder of my property, both real and personal by dividing equally = among the five above named persons. In witness whereof, I hereunto fix my signature this second day of June, = 1904. J.C. GUDGEL *************************************************************************= ************** 1900 Federal Census, Anderson Co., KY Line 278 GUDGEL, James C. b. Mar., 1858 42, single, Merchant. More About JAMES CLAY GUDGELL: Burial: Alton Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More on James Clay Gudgel Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:01:08 -0500 The Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY September 10, 1891 Alton News The central part of this place was swept away by flames last Sunday = night. About 12:15 o'clock the people were aroused by the roaring of = the flames and it was but a short time till a large crowd had assembled = to witness the destructive conflagration. The fire originated in the = store of J.C. Gudgel and immediately bursted through the walls into the = office of Dr. J.W. Speer, which was adjoining the store on the side next = to the Frankfort Pike; then it was only a few minutes until the dwelling = of Dr. Speer, which was about ten feet north of the store, was all in a = blaze. The two buildings together made a large fire and those that were = several miles away said it looked as if the whole town was on fire. It = is said by those that were first there that as soon as they arrived they = rushed into the office and carried out the library and writing desk of = Dr. Speer, but while they were in the office an explosion of powder took = place in the storeroom, which raised the whole roof and made such a = noise that it awakened some people two miles away. They were not able = to enter the store at all and nothing was saved but Dr. Speer succeeded = in saving most of his furniture. The loss of each of the above named = parties is about $4,000., while J.C. Gudgel's goods were insured for = $3,100. and Dr. Speer's house at $1,900. Alton is now left without a = business house of any kind except two wagon shops. There is a firm now = making arrangements and as soon as convenient will open a grocery in the = busniss room of B.A. Wash. As soon as Dr. Speer can get his insurance = straightened up he will begin the erection of a nice building. J.C. = Gudgel will not go into the business anymore at this place, but there = will be a new storeroom built. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: What is a Maccabee? Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:38:11 -0500 Good question. The Maccabees were a fraternal order of men or women (usually separate = groups). The Maccabees were organized in Canada in 1878, and were later = established in Port Huron, Michigan in 1884. They were described as a = fraternal and benevolent "legal reserve society," and members received = life insurance benefits. There were various ranks and rituals of the = organization. The name is derived from the steadfastness and persistence = of the Jewish military genius Judas Maccabeus who ordered his soldiers = to save a part of the war spoils for widows and orphans. In 1914 after = mergers the group was renamed just The Maccabees. The Maccabees were = quite prominent in Michigan. Eckford Village had a Maccabees Hall, which = later became the community building there.=20 If you want to know more history about them go to: http://mill-valley.freemasonry.biz/marin_knights_maccabees.htm I have learned that there is also a symbol of "MM" used on gravestones = that means the person interred was a member of the Modern Maccabees. And that's our history lesson for the day. Now you know the rest of the = story........ Linda from Kentucky- 25.6 degrees tonight and the days are sunny and nice. = Spring buds are peeping through already. Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Re: Is anybody there? Folks, I just got back from a month long trip to Mali, West Africa. I stayed with my daughter in a small village in southwest Mali, in the Sikasso region. It was a nice trip, and I would be glad to share more information with anyone interested. Arleigh Jennette Gudgel wrote: Well, good to hear from you Linda. What have I been doing? Well, on Dec. 2nd I took a tumble--indoors--at work. Long story short, compound fracture of the left wrist and fractured hip. So I have been pretty well "beached" for the last 2 months! But, wonderful surgeons, and therapists have me well on the mend. It's been a great time for thinking and reading, and a welcome relief to the hectic pace of pre and post election. I'm home now, and able to be on the computer 20 minutes per hour. Oh yes, weather-- very little snow -- and right now it's in the 30s and 40s. The weather has gone south for the winder! Happy Groundhog Day! -jennette ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: Is anybody there? Hi Folks- Just been thinking about all you cousins and wondering where everybody is. Anyone care to share how things are with you and your family lately? We are about 10 weeks away from being grandparents. That's the biggest news here at the moment. We've also opened a booth at the Versailles Flea Mall to sell some antiques and things we've had stored way too long. We really enjoy going to auctions and just decided we can't keep buying...we have to sell some things and keep the things we like the most. And now that the girls are grown and gone it's time to scale down some I guess. Gary says if we lived in a barn we would have it full . The list has been very slow this winter....maybe come spring we will get rejuvenated. Let us hear from you guys. Linda from Kentucky cold (not freezing) and wet. Groundhog Day will soon be here! Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree Allah ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusickPorter/ From: "Stephen Gudgel" <932762318@terra.es> To: "Arleigh Birchler" , Subject: Re: Is anybody there? Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:48:29 +0100 Hi Arleigh, Count me in. It's a place I've never been to but have several friends = who visited or worked there. Is she in the Peace Corps? Stephen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Arleigh Birchler=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: dissabte, 19 / febrer / 2005 15:20 Subject: Re: Is anybody there? Folks, I just got back from a month long trip to Mali, West Africa. I stayed = with my daughter in a small village in southwest Mali, in the Sikasso = region. It was a nice trip, and I would be glad to share more = information with anyone interested. Arleigh From: aap109@webtv.net (Ardath Potts) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:55:04 -0600 Subject: Fwd: E-mail-A-Friend: Mayor: Keokuk must change to succeed Hi Gudgel cousins, If you follow this forward and access the Daily Gate link, you can read a speech that Mayor David Gudgel gave at a Thursday morning breakfast in Keokuk, Iowa. He announced last week that he will run for a third 2-year term as mayor of Keokuk. Ardath Potts Mayor: Keokuk must change to succeed If Keokuk is to achieve success and pride, change is necessary, Mayor David Gudgel told his constituents at Thursday's Recognition, Appreciation and Participation Breakfast. "Yes, times are difficult," Gudgel said. "But we have two choices: Accept our fate and resist change and refuse to invest or create a can do attitude, be a risk taker and investigate why other communities are succeeding." For more of this story, click on or type the URL below: http://www.dailygate.com/articles/2005/02/18/news/news1.txt From: "Linda Smith" Subject: Linda in Kentucky Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:37:20 -0600 Hi out there, I requested a copy of the chronology report from Linda and she = wanted to know a little about my part in the Gudgels .I'm still trying = to get things straightened out but this is what I have so far . My = Grandfather was Harry Gudgel, he was born Sept 8 1896 and died Dec 3 = 1965 . He married Fannie Cole Sept 15 1917 , she was born May 6 1897 = and died April 1986 .They are both buried in the Athens cemetery . My Gr = Grandfather was William Alexander Gudgel born July 8 1850 he died in = 1931 . He married Mary Kathryn Reeves , she was born 1855 and died 1923 = They are also buried in the Athens cemetery .I have a whole list of = names to go through and try to figure out who is who. They had some big = families back then . My Dad was 1 of 9 children. I have also gotten some = of the pictures from the Gudgel photos of my Grandparents . Will Type = more when I can figure out who is who .=20 Linda Gudgel Smith From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Harry Gudgel and Fannie Cole Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:29:57 -0500 Hello Linda Gudgel Smith and welcome to the Gudgel List. Thanks for = sharing what you have. We're always glad to see newcomers. You are in luck- We have your family lineage all the way back to our = old immigrant ancestor, Frederick Gottschalk, and there are plenty of = folks on the list who are of the same line as you. I had your line down = to Harry Gudgel and Fannie Cole and then it stopped so I will be most = interested to learn about Harry and Fannie and their descendants. >From my records I find that your line goes as follows:=20 Harry Gudgel and Fannie Cole William Alexader Gudgel and Mary Catherine Reeves Henry Thomas Gudgel and Sarah Ann Johnson William Gudgel and Lucinda Thurman Andrew Gudgel, Sr. and Elizabeth Jane (Paul?) Payne Frederick Gottschalk and Anna Mary/Maria (last name unknown). Okay folks, let's help Linda out and please share it with the list also. = =20 Linda from Kentucky Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:32:51 -0800 (PST) From: indyaco Subject: Harry and Fannie Gudgel - Linda Gudgel Smith Linda, I have a little on your family also. If Harry was your grandfather then Kathryn Gudgel Carter of Athens, IL must be your aunt. I have relatives in that area and my great-uncle John Gudgel introduced me to her last year. She has quite a bit of documentation on the Gudgel family, particularly your line. Brian Sexton (grandson of Helen Gudgel Sexton) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:15:42 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Harry Gudgel and Fannie Cole Go to this link There may be lots of pictures you might like. http://www.gudgel.org/ Doyal Gudgel Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:12:47 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: New subscriber Lavada Peterson. New subscriber to the Gudgel List I talked to her on the phone and she is the sister of Tommy Begley who was killed on the USS Saratoga at Iwo Jima. She was so excited to learn that Dave Thomas who knew Rusty on the Lexington was at Iwo Jima on a ship and might have seen the attack on the Saratoga. That would be too much of a coincidence that he would have been there in addition to the Lexington. She did a story about Tommy and I published it in the Gudgel Connections. She has made a movie of her brother and it is on DVD. Lavada I want a copy of the DVD. For you who have not heard of Dave Thomas he is a retired professor from the U of W. Dave was on the USS Lexington when it was sunk at the Battle of the Coral Sea in 1942 early in the war. Dave was in command of a gun crew of 4 20 MM anti-aircraft guns. The crew consisted of 26 men. My brother Marion Floyd Gudgel (Rusty) was a pointer or trainer on one of the guns. During the attack on the Lex a torpedo and bomb hit near the gun crew and killed all but three of the crew. Rusty and Dave two of the three. Rusty never told me what or where he was during the attack. To doubt it was a traumatic experience to have so many of his friends killed all at once. After they went over the side they were picked up and taken to a cruiser then on to Tonga. On Tonga Rusty had some trouble with a Chicken Shit officer and was sent to the brig for a while. The brig consisted to staying on the island for a while instead getting another assignment right away. . As there was no place to go he was just kept there. Rusty told me about the brig but I had forgotten about what it was. When Rusty was taken before the Mast I think the Navy calls it low and behold Dave Thomas was an officer he was taken before. I don't know if other officers were involved because I am not familiar with Navy procedure. He did say it was some very minor offense that would not have happened if it had happened before another officer. Dave said he met the officer some years later and he was just as much an a--hole as ever. Dave Thomas went to other assignments in the S Pacific. After Rusty was sent off the island he was sent to Seattle and shipped out of Seattle to Alaska on either a DE or tug perhaps both at different times. I cant remember. I am going to get with Dave and get all the details of the story. I have only talked to him on the phone briefly so far. In the meantime I have been looking up some pictures to show him and he is looking up what material he has on the Lexington. Doyal Gudgel Bob Gudgel wrote: >Okee Dokee. Will add lastan5@aol.com to the gudgel list > > Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:50:17 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: ralphj@eskimo.com CC: Gudgel List Subject: Re: Lexington survivors I also have been in touch with Dave Thomas who not only knew my uncle Rusty as is described below, but aside from being in the Battle of the Coral Sea, was in Iwo Jima (I had forgotten that my cousin Tommy Begley was killed in that battle), plus he was in Normandy AND in battle in the Aleutians Islands, which some of you may not know was the only American soil occupied by the Japanese in WWII. This guy is quite incredible. When I spoke with Dave, I got something different from the story of when Rusty was sent to the brig. Dave was the 'recorder' at the court marshall and he was also Rusty's 'defense attorney' if you can call a young ensign that. Dave said he must have done a pretty good job because Rusty only got a few days in the brig. My interviews with 2 other Lexington survivors who were also on Tongatabu after it sank, report that the brig was little more than a hut where the men were given bread and water to eat but that the natives fed them and the sentence was not very long anyway. I wonder if the record of Rusty's court marshall is available? It IS interesting that this hard-nosed officer that gave Rusty so much grief is also mentioned by BOTH of the other men who I interviewed. What a way to go down in the eyes of mankind! If any of you ever run across a Lexington survivor who was sent to Tongatabu afterwards, please get a hold of me immediately as I want to interview any survivor I can and time is short. The Army was present there on Tonga as were the Seabees, but finding information about those who served on Tongatabu is very very hard AND hard research is my hallmark. But this one will need everyone's help. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Some of you may recall I've mentioned Ralph Johnson wrote: > Lavada Peterson. New subscriber to the Gudgel List > I talked to her on the phone and she is the sister of Tommy Begley From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Chronology Report of Andrew Gudgel Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:23:40 -0800 Many thanks to Terry, Mia and Linda for all your efforts in getting out = this chronological report on Andrew Gudgel. I think it is a wonderful = document and my only criticism is of the post office for taking 10 days = to get first class mail from KY to CA! Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: Fw: Chronology Report of Andrew Gudgel Hi Folks- I will be mailing these reports out Wednesday I hope. Had a bigger = response than I anticipated so I had to get more copies. =20 As I said before, Mia and Terri did a wonderful job of putting this = together so be sure and let them know you appreciate their efforts. =20 And let the list hear from you once in a while. We are all family and = need to keep in touch. It doesn't always have to be genealogy....let's = all lighten up. If you have had a crappy day we want to hear about it. = Maybe we can make you feel better after you hear about our day ! If = you have a praise or blessing we want to know about that too. I know a = couple of you have had some health issues that we don't know about until = you're one the mend-- well, share that with us too. This is Your list and you all need to be a part of it. You know...last Wednesday I had a really crappy day at = work........... Linda from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel's-Jennings Co., IN 1880 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:11:57 -0500 Does anyone connect with this family? Need parents for Asbury and = siblings. SOURCE: 1880 Spencer, Jennings, Indiana census Family History Library Film 1254288 NA Film Number T9-0288 Page Number 441D Margaret GUDGEL (widow) age 35 b. KY/KY/KY Asbury GUDGEL Son age 8 b. IN/IN/KY Thompson GUDGEL Son age 5 b. IN/IN/KY Arsenia MYERS Dau (single) age 19 b. IN/IN/KY Indiana GUDGEL Dau age 17 b. IN/IN/KY Mary Margaret was married to Jeremiah James Myers who is the father of = Arsenia Myers. Linda from Kentucky Spring is trying really hard to get here! From: "Terry Piper-Moreno" Subject: Anixiety 4 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 00:27:49 +0000 I am searching for a picture of Anxiety 4. The hereford bull that Simpson and Gudgel brought from England. I have a friend who is the great grand son of Charles Gudgel, and I am trying to find the picture to have made into a painting for him. Do you have any ideas? Any help you could give would be greatly appriciated. Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 15:51:42 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Terry Piper-Moreno CC: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Anixiety 4 I only know of the the articles that spoke of the Simpson/Gudgel cattle effort and don't recall any photos in the articles. May I suggest some of the organizations that follow cattle breeding. I don't know their names but if you can't find them on Google, maybe the Dept. of Agriculture might be able to point you in the right direction. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Terry Piper-Moreno wrote: > I am searching for a picture of Anxiety 4. The hereford bull that > Simpson and Gudgel brought from England. I have a friend who is the From: aap109@webtv.net (Ardath Potts) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:24:19 -0600 To: dianneholmes@alaska.net (Dianne Holmes) Cc: tpm28@hotmail.com (Terry Piper-Moreno), gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Anixiety 4 Hello all, I have a photo of Anxiety 4th included in a 1922 article that I photocopied somewhere years ago. I would be happy to send the entire article. It is faded, but certanily useful. Just sent me your address , Terry. Ardath Potts Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 15:51:42 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Terry Piper-Moreno Subject: Re: Anixiety 4 I only know of the the articles that spoke of the Simpson/Gudgel cattle effort and don't recall any photos in the articles. May I suggest some of the organizations that follow cattle breeding. I don't know their names but if you can't find them on Google, maybe the Dept. of Agriculture might be able to point you in the right direction. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Terry Piper-Moreno wrote: > I am searching for a picture of Anxiety 4. The hereford bull that > Simpson and Gudgel brought from England. I have a friend who is the > great grand son of Charles Gudgel, and I am trying to find the picture > to have made into a painting for him. > > Do you have any ideas? > > > Any help you could give would be greatly appriciated. > > From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:09:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Anixiety 4 I would love to put up a picture of Anixiety 4 on the gudgel web page somewhere... If anyone ever scans a picture, I'd appreciate it. It seems I've seen a picture of this in a book not too long ago ?? thanks, boB Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:27:31 -0500 From: Howard H Maxwell Subject: Re: Anxiety 4 I've written an email to the folks at the American Hereford Association in Kansas City, asking if they might have a picture. I'll report back when I have a reply. Howard Maxwell Indianapolis Half 2C3R to Charles B. and Laura Bell Whaley Gudgell Terry Piper-Moreno 03/06/2005 07:27 PM To gudgel-list@eskimo.com cc Subject Anxiety 4 I am searching for a picture of Anxiety 4. The hereford bull that Simpson and Gudgel brought from England. I have a friend who is the great grand son of Charles Gudgel, and I am trying to find the picture to have made into a painting for him. Do you have any ideas? Any help you could give would be greatly appriciated. Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:31:24 -0500 From: Howard H Maxwell Subject: Anxiety 4 picture is in the mail Dear all, I have received a reply from the American Hereford Association and the lady informs me that they found a picture of Anxiety 4 in a book. A copy of that page is in the mail and I'll forward it to the group electronically as soon as I can scan it or make a good digital photo reproduction. Regards, Cousin Howard Indianapolis Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:27:19 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Howard H Maxwell Subject: Re: Anxiety 4 picture is in the mail Howard, Be sure not to sent the photo to the Gudgel list because it has to be removed by hand before the message can be stored in the archives. Maybe Bob could make a spot for the photo along with the story and other infor that many of us has gathered about the Gudgells and cattle? I think that would make a nice and complete section that all can access in the future. Could you do that? You've already got a good start on it. D Howard H Maxwell wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have received a reply from the American Hereford Association and the > lady informs me that they found a picture of Anxiety 4 in a book. A > copy of that page is in the mail and I'll forward it to the group > electronically as soon as I can scan it or make a good digital photo > reproduction. > > Regards, > Cousin Howard > Indianapolis > From: "Terry Piper-Moreno" To: dianneholmes@alaska.net, MAXWELL_HOWARD_H@Lilly.com Subject: Re: Anxiety 4 picture is in the mail Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:39:34 +0000 ANY INFO YOU HAVE ON THIS WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HERE IN ARIZONA.....i FOUND OUT THE ORIGINAL PICTURE OF ANXIETY 4 IS HERE IN ARIZONA.. STEVE'S COUSIN HAS IT IN HIS OFFICE!!! i WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE PICTURE THE AMERICAN HEREFORD ASSOCIATION HAD.... THANKS FOR ALL THE INTEREST >From: Dianne Holmes >To: Howard H Maxwell >CC: Gudgel List >Subject: Re: Anxiety 4 picture is in the mail >Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:27:19 -0900 > >Howard, >Be sure not to sent the photo to the Gudgel list because it has to be >removed by hand before the message can be stored in the archives. Maybe Bob >could make a spot for the photo along with the story and other infor that >many of us has gathered about the Gudgells and cattle? I think that would Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:07:13 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Reply-To: ralphj@eskimo.com Subject: Something for new gudgels to the list New subscribers to the gudgel-list might want to see some pictures and stories of Gudgel history. Click on the link to check it out. Doyal Gudgel http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/bobsweb_html/ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:19:51 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: link that didn't work The link I suggested you take a look at doesn't seem to work. I am too tired tonight to pursue but might tomorrow. Anyone who might want to add stories and pictures to the gudgel list send the picture and story to me and I will post it. Doyal Gudgel Message-ID: <000e01c52bc2$90ec9240$5ed0bd3f@userz93ujzrnh3> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Crossman/Gudgel Connection-Can someone help? Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:58:25 -0500 Linda, I saw a posting on the Payne message boards and noticed your = Gudgel name. My great-great-grandfather, John A. Crossman married Mary = A. Gudgel in KY around 1850-54. Moved to MO. (Livingston Co. I think). = Mary's parents, Gudgels, moved with them, but don't know their names. In = the 1854 had a son, Spencer H. Crossman in MO. Lost track of them until = the 1880 census and they are in Antelope, TX. Have a girl named Mary A. = and a boy, Robert Wilmeth Crossman. Do you have any info on this Gudgel = family? My mother has some spoons that have a very fancy G on the handle = that has been passed down from the great-great-great-grandmother, Mary's = mother Gudgel. Any help would be appreciated, or if you could tell me = where to start looking. I've been looking for over 4 years for the = Crossmans and Gudgels. Thanks so much. Toodles, Jo Payne- Pierce From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Grandbaby status Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:09:40 -0500 Hi Folks- Just to update you...we are about 3 weeks away from our grandaughter's = arrival. Mother, Carrie, is doing fine. She's getting a bit = uncomfortable but doing okay. She plans to work right up till her = delivery. At least she works in a good place to be in this condition. = She is a Speech Therapist in the head injury department of Cardinal Hill = Rehabilitation Hospital in Lexington so there are nurses around keeping = an eye on her. They don't deliver babies but at least they can be = helpful if needed. Not sure if I told you...the baby will be named Katherine Ann Spellman. = The Katherine Ann is after her paternal grandmother but I believe they = want to call her "Katie". A good old fashioned name for our family = tree. So I will let you folks know when she arrives. And yes, I am a wreck = over this! Will be glad when she arrives and know that Mom and baby are = fine. Due date is April 7th. Linda from Kentucky Near 60 today and spring is all but here. I am off today just = because..... I call it a mental health day! From: myrnareynolds@att.net To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Grandbaby status Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:49:19 +0000 Hello Linda, Your messages are always welcoming, warm, and informative. Trusting that everything goes well with the delivery of your new grand daughter, I'll be waiting to receive your e-mail telling of Katie's arrival. I'm going "home" this weekend to Gibson County, Indiana, where I'll be singing "Ave Maria" for our young cousin's wedding. In the Oasis Assembly of God, Charismatic Church, Eric Nunez Salemie is marrying Kristina Goedde in Princeton, Indiana, on Mar. 19 - fill in the family tree. Eric's mother is Paulette (Turpin) Salemie, my cousin, & Donna (Turpin) Whitehead's sister. It's Eric Salemie, son of Paulette Turpin Salemie, daughter of Paulean Reynolds Turpin Berlien, daughter of Della Gudgel Reynolds, daughter of Abraham Gudgel, son of William Gudgel, son of Andrew Gudgel. How'm I doin'? I can do this, thanks to all of the wonderful and generous geneologists in our family whom I've met at Gudgel Gatherings. My father, Travis Reynolds, and Paulette and Donna's mother, Paulean Reynolds Turpin Berlien, were children of Della K. Gudgel and Urie B. Reynolds. Tyler, my son who is home from college on spring break, will be traveling with me, and we will meet Andy, his father and my husband, in Princeton tonight. Andy is an educational consultant and has been working this week with the Indianapolis Public School system. We are all expecting to have a fun filled weekend. We are looking forward to seeing many friends and cousins at the wedding and reception. Sunny in Connecticut, but we still have plenty of snow on the ground with more predicted for Sunday. However, my daffodils are about 6" tall!! Do enjoy your mental health day. Regards, Myrna - from Ft. Branch Indiana, to N.Y.City, to W. Hartford, Ct. -------------- Original message from "Linda Gudgel Finnell" : -------------- Hi Folks- Just to update you...we are about 3 weeks away from our grandaughter's arrival. Mother, Carrie, is doing fine. She's getting a bit uncomfortable but doing okay. She plans to work right up till her delivery. At least she works in a good place to be in this condition. She is a Speech Therapist in the head injury department of Cardinal Hill Rehabilitation Hospital in Lexington so there are nurses around keeping an eye on her. They don't deliver babies but at least they can be helpful if needed. Not sure if I told you...the baby will be named Katherine Ann Spellman. The Katherine Ann is after her paternal grandmother but I believe they want to call her "Katie". A good old fashioned name for our family tree. So I will let you folks know when she arrives. And yes, I am a wreck over this! Will be glad when she arrives and know that Mom and baby are fine. Due date is April 7th. Linda from Kentucky Near 60 today and spring is all but here. I am off today just because..... I call it a mental health day! Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:07:28 -0800 (PST) From: indyaco Subject: Crossman/Gudgel Connection-Can someone help? Cousins, This is what I have- Spencer Crossman b. ca. 1854 m. Alice Robertson ca. 1888 is the son of John A. Crossman and Mary Gudgel. Mary Gudgel b.ca. 1828 in Kentucky 1st married William Love 28 Jul 1840 in Roy Co., Missouri then married John Crossman 1 Jul 1849 in Livingston Co., Missouri Mary is the daughter of John Franklin Gudgel and Cynthia Ann Brown. John Franklin Gudgel s/o Jacob s/o Andrew s/o Frederick Brian Sexton Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:24:18 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: Gudgel on Ebay Put in Gudgel on EBay and see what you come up with. I'm not sure what it means. Can someone enlighten me? Dianne From: "Lynn Hammond" Subject: gudgel on -bay Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:43:36 -0800 This is in reply to Dianne’s e-mail. I seem to have lost her e-mail address. I put Gudgel in the search on e-bay and came up with 3 different things. One was a couple of doll houses or miniatures that I think were made by someone named Gudgel. One was a book by David Gudgel called, “Before you live together”, or something like that, and the other was something called a Gudgel grim wand. If you look close at the picture you will notice that someone at e-bay spelled it wrong. It is supposed to be a CUDGEL grim wand. Some kind of weapon used in a video game or online game similar to Dungeons and Dragons. I looked up cudgel grim wands in a google search and found the same picture that was on e-bay. I guess that if someone wanted to bid on one they wouldn’t find it in cudgels anyway. How bizarre? Thought you would like to know Lynn Gudgel Hammond (Kim’s sister, in case you want to know who I am) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:32:47 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: Re: gudgel on -bay Wow, looks like some of you came up with different items. I only came up with the miniature house. Hope some more information can surface about the miniatures. Thanks for doing the search. I am sure the wand is a cudgel. I'm wondering if Lynn searched under e-bay or ebay? There IS a difference, I found out. Dianne Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:45:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gudgel and Cudgel on Ebay I believe that I have seen the little houses on Ebay before... Someone may be making these and selling a bunch of them. Don't know the history. Also, I believe there is a mis-spelling on the "Cruel Gudgel" It is Cruel Cudgel (it looks like in the picture) and that makes sense because "Cudgel" means to beat or something like that. My 2 cents worth today. boB Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:57:57 -0800 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: Gudgel Houses Dianne and all, I found this on Google. "In 1979, Gil & Marge Gudgel from New York, were asked to make a 1:144 scale Cape Cod style house as a souvenir for the National Association of Miniature Enthusiasts Houseparty. the souvenir was so well received that they began making more of these little houses. They held workshops each year at the miniature Fall Weekend in Boston. They worked together teaching the day-long workshop and students had to finish that day. All the structures can be opened and have rooms inside, but are not finished inside. If the structure is a special edition or limited edition, it will have a number. Each house was also signed M. Gudgel and G. Gudgel. The student was also assigned a number which appears on the bottom of the house. The student was given advance notice of a new building. Gil and Marge Gudgel died in the 1990s and their children, Peggy, Carol, and Tom, carried on the business for several years." Vivian Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:50:55 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: Re: Gudgel Houses Great work Vivian! Are Gil and Marge relatives of Duba by any chance? Dianne Vivian Gudgell wrote: >Dianne and all, >I found this on Google. > >"In 1979, Gil & Marge Gudgel from New York, were asked to make a 1:144 >scale Cape Cod style house as a souvenir for the National Association >of Miniature Enthusiasts Houseparty. the souvenir was so well >received that they began making more of these little houses. They >held workshops each year at the miniature Fall Weekend in Boston. >They worked together teaching the day-long workshop and students had >to finish that day. All the structures can be opened and have rooms >inside, but are not finished inside. If the structure is a special >edition or limited edition, it will have a number. Each house was >also signed M. Gudgel and G. Gudgel. The student was also assigned a >number which appears on the bottom of the house. The student was >given advance notice of a new building. Gil and Marge Gudgel died in >the 1990s and their children, Peggy, Carol, and Tom, carried on the >business for several years." > >Vivian > > > > > From: "Connie" Subject: eBay Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:41:10 -0500 Dianne and All, I asked the seller what this item was and this is her explanation below. = Good work Vivian. You were right on as usual. Connie I am not sure what Gudgel Homestead means! What I know about these = houses are that a married couple by the name of Gudgel created and built = these fantastic little houses. Most are 1/144th scale but they did do = some in the HO scale... They became pretty famous in the Miniature world = for their little houses. Gudgel is a well know name for them. From: aap109@webtv.net (Ardath Potts) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:04:26 -0600 Subject: Gudgel Miniatures If you scroll down at tiny bit on this page, you can see pictures of a collection of these buildings that was donated to a St. Louis miniature museum. Also, If you will feed 'Gudgel miniatures' into Google search, there is much more that comes up. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: NCAA Tourney Fans Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:21:06 -0500 To all of you NCAA Tourney Fans..... How 'bout them CATS! Utah 52 Kentucky 62 Linda from Kentucky GO CATS!! From: egudgel@comcast.net Cc: egudgel#comcast.net@ultra5.eskimo.com Subject: Minatures by Gilbert and Margaret Gudgel Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:06:19 +0000 My brother Gilbert Lee Gudgel and his wife Margaret both died of Lung Cancer in 1992 and 1996. They lived and created miniature houses and furniture from the 1970's their children-Tom and Carol contiued their work. I have one of their catalogs Gilbert had fine skills with his hands. Our father William T. Gudgel could all kinds of useful house-building during the depression supplementing our income but he hoped Gil would be a plastic surgeon but he preferred the crafts. They had a craft and art store in Kenmore NY and later moved to Henrietta( near Rochester NY} Edward f Gudgel MD Fort Myers FL From: egudgel@comcast.net To: dianne@corecom.net (Dianne Gudgel-Holmes), Cc: Tytayna@hotmail.com (Kate Williams), isaiah43_1@webtv.net (Virginia & Bob Skoney), Lncgdg@netscape.net (Rich & Lisa Lancastor-Gudgel), bgudg@suscom.net (robert gudgel), Rich.Gudgel@noaa.gov (Rich Gudgel), tiedyedrose@hotmail.com (patricia gudgel), jeg2@cox.net (John E. Gudgel), vanillabean@cs.com (John & Jackie Gudgel), sally-c@pcom.net (Sally(Carol) Coe (Gudgel)) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:19:50 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My brother Gilbert Lee Gudgel and his wife Margaret both died of Lung Cancer in 1992 and 1996. They lived and created miniature houses and furniture from the 1970's their children-Tom and Carol contiued their work. I have one of their catalogs Gilbert had fine skills with his hands. Our father William T. Gudgel could all kinds of useful house-building during the depression supplementing our income but he hoped Gil would be a plastic surgeon but he preferred the crafts. They had a craft and art store in Kenmore NY and later moved to Henrietta( near Rochester NY} Edward f Gudgel MD Fort Myers FL INBOX: Email 2 of 12 From: aap109@webtv.net (Ardath Potts) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:50:46 -0600 To: egudgel@comcast.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Minatures by Gilbert and Margaret Gudgel Ed, can you tell me how your family connects to old Andrew Gudgel so that I can fit this into my genealogy? By searching with Google, I was able to see many items that they had created. Truly wonderful! Ardath Potts Message-ID: <001001c53646$9cd48070$d201b93f@userz93ujzrnh3> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Baby Has Arrived Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:08:53 -0500 Hi Folks- We are just proud as punch to tell you that our granddaughter, Katherine = Ann Spellman has arrived today, March 31, 2005 at 1:48 p.m. 7 pounds 5 = ounces, 19 1/2 inches long. And she is the most beautiful baby! We're on our way back to the hospital. Just came home long enough to = change clothes and let the dogs out. We've been at the hospital = (Central Baptist in Lexington) since 4:00 a.m. Mother and baby are = doing fine. Grandma and Grandpa are fine too and just as proud as can be! More later,=20 Linda and Gary from Kentucky- =20 beautiful spring day....a perfect blessed day. From abirchler16@yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 11:31:52 2005 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Arleigh Birchler To: Musick Family Cc: Gudgel Family Subject: Re: [MusickResearch] Nancy E Musick and John W Harmon Greg, Sorry I was not clear about Nancy E Musick. The question about CPL Sam Musick of the 106th is not one in which I have any vested interest. I just couldn't remember what was decided, and wanted to update my records. You are right. Nancy E Musick, the daughter of Herrod Musick and Polly Warrick, married John W Harmon on 12/12/1878 in Logan County, Illinois. That is very well documented. What is almost equally well documented is that Nancy E Musick, the daughter of Jesse Musick and Hannah Gudgel, married John W Harmon on 12/12/1828 in Gibson County, Indiana. I don't know much of anything about the Harmon family, but I do know there were quite a few John W Harmon's. There are also a lot of Nancy Musick's. The first explanation would be that someone made a typo and substituted a "2" for a "7" in the decade. That would make perfect sense. The problem with that is that the two marriages exactly 50 years apart are documented in the marriage records of both Indiana and Illinois. I am convinced that they are two totally separate couples. I strongly suspect that there was a family connection (beyond identical last names) that caused the second couple to plan their wedding for the same date as their earlier relatives. That is why I suspect that the second groom might be a descendant of the first couple, especially since his hometown was Owensville. It is, however, completely possible that I am totally delusional and clinging to a romantic fantasy. Arleigh Greg Volk wrote: I do not understand your confusion about Nancy Elizabeth Musick (Feb 1850 - 20 Feb 1925) who m John Wesley Harmon 12 Dec 1878. It is ironic that she lived most of her married life in Owensville, her mother's hometown, but not her father's, and that other Musicks also came from Owensville. But that's what happened. I don't know what the fifty years thing is all about. Regarding Samuel Musick, the 1886 History of Logan Co. makes it clear that the one who served in the 106th IL was Samuel (1843), son of Herrod & Mary (Warrick) Musick. Samuel served alongside his brother-in-law George L. Barney (1832-1905), my gg. On the other hand, Samuel G. Musick (1841), son of Abraham & Anna (Allen) Musick, moved from Sheridan Twp., Logan Co., IL to Grant Twp., Marion Co., KS with his mother shortly before 1880, but probably after the death of his first wife Nancy (nee Hickey). Your questions surprise me as I thought these issues were cleared up long ago. Greg Volk Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love Company Dee Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 04:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Fwd: Re: Which Nancy Musick / Harmon or Mowery? To: Musick Family Folks, I am glad that Nancy Teel Miller responded. She is descended from Hannah Gudgel Musick Teel's half-sister, Nancy Gudgel, and Hannah's brother-in-law by her second marriage, William Teel. So while she is not directly descended from the Musick family, she knows more about the family of Hannah Gudgel and Jesse Musick then any one I have ever met. Her message is below the one from the archives from GinnyG and Cassie. I looked into the Mowery connection for some time after reading Ginny G's first post. I am now almost certain that Ginny is right, and that Nancy Musick Mowery Huff Smith is the daughter of Hannah Gudgel and Jesse Musick. I strongly suspect that the sources I have that list Nancy E Musick, daughter of Hannah and Jesse, marrying John W Harmon are completely wrong. I am back to my original thought that a researcher substituted 1828 for 1878 and erroneously put this Nancy marrying John W Harmon, when if fact it was a different Nancy Musick. The error was probably copied by later researchers, including myself. Another romantic tale falls to the relentless progress of cruel logic and proof! Arleigh ************************************* --- In musickfamily@yahoogroups.com, "GinnyG" wrote: Hello Musick Family Researchers, I read every word on your board. I believe Nancy Musick to be my 2gr-grandmother.I found Nancy Musick's marriage to Henry Mowry / Mowery in Gibson Co. IN on27 July 1830.On the Gibson Co. IN 1840 census found Henry Mowry with 1 fem. 20-30, 2 fem. under 5, 1 fem. under 10.Caleb Asbury Huff is my 2gr-grandfather. He married 2 times before Lydia Vaughn Murry. First unknown wife had Mary E. c.1844 and Henry c.1843 in IL.. In 1845 Nancy Mowry / Mowery m. John Smith in Logan Co .IL. In 1847 Nancy Smith m. Caleb A. Huff also in Logan Co. IL. I have copies of both these marriages. My gr-grandfather, John M. was born, 20 Sept 1848, of Nancy and Caleb's marriage. In 1850 Fountain Co. IN census records Caleb, Nancy, Mary E. (7),Henry (6), John (1), and John (21) Huff as well as Susannah (17), Elizabeth(12), Hannah(10), and William H.(6) Mowry / Mowery. The ages on Nancy and the 3 Mowry girls match ages of Mowry females on 1840 Gibson Co. IN census. Also Caleb's 21 yr old bro. John married Susannah Mowry 21 Aug 1850 (Indiana marriages).Caleb (married to Lydia) and John with families (minus Nancy) were back in Logan Co, IL by 1860 census. I live in the area of Zion Cemetery where Caleb, Lydia, many of their children, and many Musicks, as well as William H. Mowry ( Nancy's son), who was killed in the Civil War. I wonder if Nancy is there but without a stone, I can't prove it. All these graves are in the same area with many spaces without stones. I have corresponded with 2 Vaughn and 1 Mowry researchers who were interested in my findings. For a while I considered maybe Nancy could have been Jesse and Hannah Gudgel Musick's daughter but that Nancy was well documented so I started looking elsewhere and as I said reading your board. Sorry this is so long. Hope you think my reasoning and proofs are acceptable. Any suggestions gratefully accepted. Virginia----- Original Message ----- From: cassiemr@s... To: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [Musick_Family] Musick/Huff/Mowery> 17 Dec 2020 -- Virginia Gleason put this message on Ancestry.com: One of us is mixed up, I don't think it is me, but it could be.? "Looking for parents and siblings of NANCY MUSICK b. 1813-15. She m. Henry Mowery (I have Murry) in Gibson Co. IN 1830, in 1845 she m. John Smith then in 1847 m. Caleb Huff both in Logan Co., IL, and was in Fountain Co., In with Caleb, 4 Mowery children and 3 Hugg children on 1850 census. I also find Caleb's brother, John m. Susan Mowery (Nancy's daughter) Fountain Co., In, 21 Aug 1850. If these names are familiar please let me know. Thank you" Below is what I , Cassie, have on this family. Can anyone help? > Cassie --- End forwarded message --- ************************************* nancy miller wrote: From: "nancy miller" To: "Arleigh Birchler" , CC: "Gudgel Family" Subject: Re: Which Nancy E Musick and John W Harmon? Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 21:05:03 -0800 There is a record of a Nancy Musick (no middle initial given) marrying Henry Mowrey 27 Jul 1830 in Gibson County, IN. I believe this is the Nancy, daughter of Jesse and Hannah. In two different histories of Gibson County (Stormont and Peattie) there is mention of a John Wesley Harmon who married (2nd) a Nancy Elizabeth Musick on 12 Dec 1878. This Nancy is listed as being the daughter of Herrod and Mary E (Warrick) Musick with Herrod being a native of Ohio who went to Logan Co., IL and Mrs. Musick a native of Gibson county. There is no record in the Gibson County marriages (prior to 1850) of any Harmon/Musick marriage, nor any John W. Harmon that married in 1828. (I suspect that 1828 marriage information is in error.) Nancy Miller (a Gudgel/Teel decendent). ----- Original Message ----- From: Arleigh Birchler To: MusickResearch@yahoogroups.com Cc: Gudgel Family Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Which Nancy E Musick and John W Harmon? Cassie, I am working on several things tonight, and my brain is fried. I will look for what I have saying that Jesse and Hannah's daughter, Nancy Musick, married a John Harmon. Don't think I want to read through Stringer again to see if I can find out more about the elderly John Harmon in Logan County when the young man by the same name married Herrod and Polly's daughter, Nancy Musick. Maybe if I can find the documents saying a Nancy E Musick married a John W Harmon in 1828 in Sangamon County, I can give you the names of the author(s). With all your data, maybe you can figure out how likely it is that the author(s) got it right. There is a whole lot of conflicting data out there about the family of Jesse Musick and Hannah Gudgel. Egbert had it totally wrong. Arleigh cassiemr@sbcglobal.net wrote: Greg I have him down as a son of Samuel. Abraham cannot be a son of Jesse. When people started claiming Jessee for Abraham's father they did not know about Samuel and his son Abraham. That is the way a lot of people do genealogy. They give no source they are just determined it is going to be that way. They provide nothing to back it up. Because Abraham was born in Kentucky, maybe, Lexington they think he belongs with Jessee. I have two or three more marriages in Woodford Co., KY. that do not belong to Jesse or to his father John Musick. When several of us presented the fact we told that that was Abraham living in the Household of John Musick and Mary Berry on the 1830 census. Abraham is not mentioned in the estate papers of Jesse. But the ! only Abraham around is sure mentioned in the Probate Records of Samuel Musick. Also, I have a daughter Nancy down for Jesse and Hannah but I do not have a marriage or husband for her. Is there a marriage record for this Nancy to a Harmon? Cassie Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love Company Dee Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Fwd: Re: [Musick_Family] Nancy Musick dau. of Jessee and Hannah. To: the.volks@comcast.net, Gudgel Family Greg, For experts on the children of Hannah Gudgel, I would suggest the Gudgel Family. GinnyG seems to be a descendant of Nancy Musick. I seem to recall some posts from descendants of Ephraim some time back. I suspect there are a whole bunch of descendants of John Musick and Mary Johnson in the Musick Family Association. Their family is very well documented, and I can tell you were most of them are buried. "Gudgel Family" Arleigh Arleigh Birchler wrote: To: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com From: Arleigh Birchler Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 04:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Musick_Family] Nancy Musick dau. of Jessee and Hannah. Greg, On my visit to Woodford County for the Gudgel Family Reunion last summer, I visited the Woodford County Historical Society. There is precious little solid documentation about the family of John Musick and Mary Berry. Just enough solid bits of tax information, family lore, and other things to paint a coherent picture. Andrew Gudgel and his several wives have much more documentation. Arleigh Greg Volk wrote: Thanks go to Julia. This is the ONLY reliable list of the children of Jesse Musick (c1780-1811) I've ever seen. Everything else is somebody's opinion, as far as I know. Notice first the absence of Abraham, who would have been 16 at the time. Yes, there was a Nancy Musick (c1809), but I do not believe she married a John Harmon. If she did, we have a GREAT coincidence. And even if this great coincidence occurred, I do not believe it occurred 12 Dec 1828, EXACTLY fifty years before the marriage of Nancy E. Musick and John W. Harmon. Come on, get real. Here's what we DO know about Jesse's FIVE children... 1) Mary "Polly" (c1802) m (1) John Forbes 3 Jun 1819 Gibson Co., IN; (2) ? Vaughn [#2 from AWT] 2) Ephraim (c1803) 3) Jefferson (c1805) 4) John (10 Mar 1807 - 31 Jan 1888) m Mary Johnson 24 Mar 1830 Sangamon Co., IL 5) Nancy (c1809) I do not know what became of any of them, although many descendants of #4 lived in or near Logan Co., IL. I would be glad to make contact with any actual descendants of these five. Also can anyone tell me, excepting #4, what became of them? AF has Jesse and Hannah's marriage as 7 Nov 1801 Woodford Co., KY. This date is HIGHLY suspicious because Jesse would then have died EXACTLY on his tenth anniversary. Coincidences DO happen, but not as often as errors. I checked Kentucky Marriages to 1850, which does contain Woodford Co. in 1801, and found no such marriage. I did find... Benjamin Smith & Nancy Mussick 17 Mar 1802 Robert Musik & Sally Roach 9 Oct 1811 What evidence do we have that Jesse himself, not merely his father John, was even in Woodford Co.? FYI The above five children had a half-sister Elizabeth (2 Apr 1822 - 3 Jun 1880), daughter of Adam Teel & Hannah (Gattschall / Gudgel) Musick who m Thomas M. Maddox 2 Oct 1842 Gibson Co., IN. This couple had five children and settled in Barnett, DeWitt Co., IL, not far from Logan Co. Now put on your thinking cap. Thomas M. Maddox (1819-1907) was a half-brother of Montgomery Warrick (1797-1834), father of Mary Brown Warrick (1820-1875), wife of Herrod Musick (1814-1855). I have further info on them if anyone is interested. I look forward to future enlightment on Jesse Musick. Greg Volk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:56 PM Subject: [Musick_Family] Nancy Musick dau. of Jessee and Hannah. > > I just have Nancy Musick. No E. > > "Ordered that James Stewart be and he is herby appointed Guardian to > Polly > Forbes late Polly Musick aged about sixteen years and Ephraim Musick aged > about fifteen years, Jefferson Musick aged about thirteen years, John > Musick > aged about eleven years and Nancy Musick aged about nine years, minor > children to Jesse Musick Decd and that he enter into bond and security to > be > approved by the clerk of this court in the sum of one thousand dollars > conditioned....." 1819 June term of the Gibson County Probate > Court.(Source > Julie Musick Hillgrove) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Volk" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Musick_Family] Re: [MusickResearch] Nancy E Musick and John > W Harmon > > > | > | I just checked the Indiana marriage index and there was no such 1828 > | marriage. You can confirm the 1878 marriage from the Illinois marriage > | index. However well documented it may be, the 1828 marriage is wrong. > I am > | not certain of the existence of a Nancy E. Muscik, daughter of Jesse > Musick > | & Hannah Gudgel. There seem to be a lot of errors in this family. > | > | Greg Volk > | > Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love Company Dee Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:42:15 -0600 From: ginnyg@insightbb.com Subject: SJ-R.COM Story - New life for old limbs This story was sent to you by ginnyg@insightbb.com ----------------------------------------------------- Hello, found this in the Springfield,IL Journal- Register today. Thought it would interest the Gudgel family. ginnyg ----------------------------------------------------- The story can be found at http://www.sj-r.com/sections/news/stories/52407.asp ----------------------------------------------------- The State Journal-Register Online can be found at http://www.sj-r.com From: "Linda Smith" Subject: question Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:14:17 -0500 Hi out there , I have a question that someone might have an answer to . I was = told by my niece that there is a chance of African-American blood in the = Gudgel line . All the info I have has never mentioned anything about it = I would appreciate any info on this so I can let her know .My side of = the Gudgel's are from Athens and Petersburg Ill . Thanks , Linda Gudgel Smith Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:30:07 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Smith Subject: Re: question The Gudgel's in Ky and perhaps elsewhere were slave owners at one time. Some of the slaves may have taken the Gudgel name because there are Afro-Americans today named Gudgel. Whether they simply took their master's name or whether there was interbreeding is not known. I have a short oral history of a former slave done by a university in Ky in the recent past. The lady must have married a man named Gudgel because she referred to her owner as being Master Ball when she was young. No other useful genie information was in the oral history. It would be very interesting if we could expand our database and knowledge to find out what happened to the Gudgel slaves. Dianne G-H Linda Smith wrote: > Hi out there , > I have a question that someone might have an answer to . I was > told by my niece that there is a chance of African-American blood in > the Gudgel line . All the info I have has never mentioned anything > about it .I would appreciate any info on this so I can let her know > .My side of the Gudgel's are from Athens and Petersburg Ill > > Thanks , > Linda Gudgel Smith Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. question Check out John Gudgel in Ohio. He has been the Principal of Yellow Springs High School/McKinney School (grades 7-12) for ten years. http://www.yellow-springs.k12.oh.us/HS/pages/JGudgel/description_of_work.htm Would love to find out the background. boB From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: African-American Gudgel's Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:12:06 -0400 Hi Folks- This is an area I have been most interested in for some time. I have = collected a lot of census records and death certificates on = African-American Gudgel's for some time. I know there were Gudgel's in = Anderson and Bath Co., KY who were slaveholders. A lot of them went to = Missouri from KY. Some stayed in KY and later went to northern OH or = other places. I also have a copy of a Bill Of Sale where an African-American named = Henry Gudgel, born in KY, was sold in 1853 for One Thousand Dollars by = John T. Gudgel of Missouri to his father-in-law, Spencer H. Gregory. = Henry was 24 years old and a slave for life. Henry came from KY to MO = with John T. Gudgel. In KY John T. spelled his name with one "L" and = later with 2 "L"'s. Henry went on to become famous for his carving of = ornate walking sticks, one of which is is now on display at the Yale Art Museum. I was contacted several years = ago by an attorney in Louisville, KY who owns one of 3 or 4 known = walking sticks. He came to visit me and brought the walking stick along = with the story behind it. I plan to do an article for the Gudgel = Connections Newsletter at some point about this walking stick. As far as whether there was mixed blood between the Gudgel's and their = slaves, I suspect there was but haven't documented that fact. Some = census records have listed slaves as mulatto but their breeding could = have been before they were owned by Gudgel's. Will work on this more as = time permits. Bob- I had emailed your John Gudgel of Ohio some time ago but never = heard back from him. On the homefront- Baby Katherine is doing fine. I kept her a couple of = hours yesterday while Carrie tended to some errands and Brian played = golf. I think they were both ready for a little break. She will be 2 = weeks old Thursday. So sweet is this baby. Mia- what about your son, John? Any news? Got to get to work. More Later- Linda from Kentucky 80 degrees yesterday and wonderful weather. Even got the car washed = yesterday. Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:21:29 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Dianne CC: Linda Smith , gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: question I undrstand there is a DMA test that will tell you if there is Negro blood in your background. Also chinese or other races. Is supposed to cost only a couple hundred. Dianne wrote > The Gudgel's in Ky and perhaps elsewhere were slave owners at one > time. Some of the slaves may have taken the Gudgel name because there > are Afro-Americans today named Gudgel. Whether they simply took their > master's name or whether there was interbreeding is not known. > > I have a short oral history of a former slave done by a university in > Ky in the recent past. The lady must have married a man named Gudgel > because she referred to her owner as being Master Ball when she was > young. No other useful genie information was in the oral history. > > It would be very interesting if we could expand our database and > knowledge to find out what happened to the Gudgel slaves. > Dianne G-H > > Linda Smith wrote: > >> Hi out there , >> I have a question that someone might have an answer to . I >> was told by my niece that there is a chance of African-American blood >> in the Gudgel line . All the info I have has never mentioned anything >> about it .I would appreciate any info on this so I can let her know >> .My side of the Gudgel's are from Athens and Petersburg Ill >> >> Thanks , >> Linda Gudgel Smith > > > > -- Serializing. " The History of the Popes" by Joseph McCabe at http://www.historyofthepopes.info. Published 1936 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:40:07 -0800 From: Dianne Subject: Re: no dna test There is no dna test for ethnicity. Dianne Ralph Johnson wrote: > I undrstand there is a DMA test that will tell you if there is Negro > blood in your background. Also chinese or other races. Is supposed > to cost only a couple hundred. > > Dianne wrote > >> The Gudgel's in Ky and perhaps elsewhere were slave owners at one >> time. Some of the slaves may have taken the Gudgel name because there >> are Afro-Americans today named Gudgel. Whether they simply took their >> master's name or whether there was interbreeding is not known. >> >> I have a short oral history of a former slave done by a university in >> Ky in the recent past. The lady must have married a man named Gudgel >> because she referred to her owner as being Master Ball when she was >> young. No other useful genie information was in the oral history. >> >> It would be very interesting if we could expand our database and >> knowledge to find out what happened to the Gudgel slaves. >> Dianne G-H >> >> Linda Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi out there , >>> I have a question that someone might have an answer to . I >>> was told by my niece that there is a chance of African-American >>> blood in the Gudgel line . All the info I have has never mentioned >>> anything about it .I would appreciate any info on this so I can let >>> her know .My side of the Gudgel's are from Athens and Petersburg Ill >>> >>> Thanks , >>> Linda Gudgel Smith >> >> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. no dna test I find many references for ethnicity dna tests. Here's a few links... Just go to google and put in dna test for ethnicity boB http://www.healthanddna.com/ancestry.html http://www.genetree.com/ http://www.dna-bioscience.co.uk/service_ethnicity.shtml http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/152036_xmasgene11.html Part of the seattle pi article: For the person who has just about everything, except a good handle on his or her prehistoric roots, a Seattle DNA testing firm has the perfect Christmas gift -- genetic genealogy. "This is the genetic equivalent of an archaeological dig," said Howard Coleman, founder and chief executive officer of Genelex Corp. in Belltown. "This will allow people to expand their genealogical search back beyond the written records into prehistory." Genelex's simplest genealogical DNA test (called an "ethnicity" test, for $395) categorizes individuals, based on 60-70 genetic markers, according to four groupings: African, European, Asian and Native American. For most people, Coleman said, this "global snapshot" will be a mixture. It's basically a summary of all the human migrations that spread across the planet, crossed paths, intermingled, moved on and eventually led to you. Beyond the "snapshot," Genelex offers a variety of more sophisticated DNA tests that can further refine the picture. From: "Gardner Gudgel" Subject: DNA Test Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:39:42 -0700 When I was a child my father, Boyd Gudgel took the family to an auction = of his grandfather's farm in Anderson County Kentucky. One of the few = things I do remember is my father showing me where the slaves were = buried behind the barn. He also showed me other graves closer to the = main house and told me that this is where the special slaves were = buried. By special, I believe he was referring to his grandfathers = illegitimate family. Does anyone know anything about the "Melungeons" and does any of my = cousins have any of the Melungeon genetic traits? For more information = go to http://www.melungeon.org/ Gerald Gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: African-American Gudgel's Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:25:35 -0400 Gardner- Do you remember where in Anderson Co., KY your great grandfather lived = when you attended this auction and you were shown where the slaves were = buried? And about what time frame was this? Linda k From: "Gardner Gudgel" Subject: Re: African-American Gudgel's Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:51:41 -0700 Linda,=20 I was just a little guy maybe 7 or 8, which would put it in the early = 50's.Didn't you say that you had a copy of my fathers genealogy = research? Possibly that's where you could find a more accurate date. Gerald Gudgel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: African-American Gudgel's Gardner- Do you remember where in Anderson Co., KY your great grandfather lived = when you attended this auction and you were shown where the slaves were = buried? And about what time frame was this? Linda Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Fwd: [Musick_Family] DNA Project This might pertain to some recent discussion in the Gudgel family about DNA testing and ethnicity. Doyle Music wrote:To: From: "Doyle Music" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:46:58 -0400 Subject: [Musick_Family] DNA Project Preface: This message, unfinshed, was mistakenly sent earlier today. You can delete that one. Dear Group, An update on what's happening on the DNA front. I have spoken to Scott Vaughn and Jortis Webb who have agreed to help out with the DNA project. Thanks go to both of them. My biggest fear is that I will under-utilize them as we get this project off the ground. A project has been established through FamilytreeDNA.com for the Musick surname. You can reach the site at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/musick . There is information on the site about project goals and how to participate, but I'll give some highlights here. It didn't make a lot of sense to undertake an exhaustive all encompassing study entailing unnecessary expenses. ( There is no charge to the MFAA for FamilytreeDNA's assistance with the study. They make their money from the testing they provide only. By establishing the family study participants receive testing at a discount.) The project is basically limited to two objectives. 1) Establish a DNA baseline for George Sr. by testing a representative sampling of his descendents, i.e. two male descendents from each of his six sons, if they can be found. Once done this will give us and others a bench mark for determining if a person is descended from George Sr. (2 Having established George's baseline, we will then have the opportunity to compare our Musick family with those from other regions and countries to see if we are related. Knowing if we are related or not to other families will allow for some deductive genealogy in determining George Sr.'s origins. If we connect with another family and they have information about their family's ancestors it could provide important information about George's ancestors. Please check out the site and think about how YOU can help by either being tested or finding another that would be willing to test. Cassie, I'm sure I will need your help to make sure we get representatives from all the sons. The question never occurred to me until recently, but do we have male descendents living from each of George's six sons? I always assumed we did but really don't know for sure. My DNA test results are back and by themselves provide limited information, but some interesting information none the less. For example, there have been numerous theories about the Musick origins. Wales? England? France? Poland? Germany? Russia? Fromunderarock? DNA can not tell you which country you ancestors came from, remember DNA testing shows information that pre-dates even the formation of countries, but it can identify regions and what they call REO (recent ethnic origins). REO's are categorized by Haplotypes. Each Haplotype represents unique ethnic origins. If we assume, for the time being, that our George is directly related to the George Musicke of Soham, England and we assume England as the family origin, we still can not say the Musick's are English in origin because Briton was historically invaded by Romans, Angles, Saxons, and Vikings. Even if the Musick ancestors had been in England for centuries they still could have been descendents of any of these invaders. Fortunately, each of these groups is represented by unique Haplotypes. Because of migration though, no single Haplotype is homogeneous in a region. To some degree no doubt, representatives of each Haplotypes can be found in all areas of the world, so we are talking in probabilities not in absolutes. For instance, the Haplotype for Mediterranean Europe (Roman) will be found in England because of some Roman soldiers fathering children there. Vikings and Anglo/Saxons would be represented in the I Haplotype. Southern and Eastern Europe (Roman) could be represented by the G and J2 Haplotype. Slavic populations of Eastern Europe would be represented by R1a Haplotype. Any of these can be present in England. So, where does it look like the Musicks fall? The most common Haplotype in Western Europe is R1b. It's density is greatest at the western edge of Europe, along the Atlantic Ocean, and decreases as you move east across the European continent until it virtually disappears. The Haplotype has been named the Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH). R1b is the Haplotype of the Musick family (based on current information). This means that the Musicks are Celtic and may be Ancient Britons/Celtic, inhabitants of the region prior to its invasion by the Romans. We are not Scandinavian, Anglo/Saxon nor Slavic, but are we Germanic? From what I've been able to understand, no, we are not Germanic. The AMH is represented by DNA markers this way; DYS394=14, DYS388=12, DYS390=24, DYS391=11, DYS392=13, & DYS393=13. If DYS390=24, this indicates Celtic origins and if DYS390=23, this indicates Germanic origins. My and by extension (until others are tested) your Haplotype, matches the AMH. It seems that 89% to 90% of the male population studied in the Basque region, Wales and Ireland match the AMH. I hope you all have found this somewhat interesting, but a word of caution I am a novice at this. Please check my assumptions. There's lots of information about this on the internet and elsewhere. If you find something I've missed or misinterpreted, please let me know. Finally, please contact me to find out about participating. Doyle Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN Bram's Addition Life&Choice 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love Company Dee Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:10:11 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Arleigh Birchler CC: Gudgel Family Subject: Re: Fwd: [Musick_Family] DNA Project Fascinating. Gret Doyal Gudgel Arleigh Birchler wrote: > This might pertain to some recent discussion in the Gudgel family > about DNA testing and ethnicity. > > Doyle Music wrote: > > To: > From: "Doyle Music" > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:46:58 -0400 > Subject: [Musick_Family] DNA Project > > Preface: This message, unfinshed, was mistakenly sent earlier > today. You can delete that one. > > > > Dear Group, > > An update on what's happening on the DNA front. > > I have spoken to Scott Vaughn and Jortis Webb who have agreed to > help out with the DNA project. Thanks go to both of them. My From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Allie Lee Gudgel (1875-1899) Anderson Co., KY Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:47:23 -0400 Hi Folks- Today I received something very valuable to my Gudgel research. My = cousin, Dianne Smith, of Versailles, KY, came by my office to give me = something she thought I should have. Dianne's grandmother, Clara Huston = Hawkins Gudgel Young, was my great grandmother. It is an autograph book = that belonged to Clara and the earliest date in it made Clara about 13 = years old at the time. In those days (1890's) autograph books were = quite popular with young people. But the wonderful part of this is not = only that it belonged to my great grandmother, Clara, (known to me as = Mama Clare), but it has a handwritten little poem written by my great = grandfather, Allie Lee Gudgel, who I never knew. I have looked for a = picture of Allie for years and never found one so this is as close as I = have come to connecting something to him. To set the stage for this poem let me give you a bit of history on = Allie. Allie Lee Gudgel (1875-1899) youngest of 8 children of Jacob = Madison Gudgel and Frances Matilda Griffey, married December 15, 1896 = Anderson Co., KY to Clara Hutson Hawkins, only child of Samuel Hutson = Hawkins and Mary L. Mothershead, all of Anderson Co., Ky. Allie and = Clara married very young and, in fact, Clara was still in school when = they married. One child was born of this union on June 10, 1899, a son, = Samuel Madison Gudgel, (my grandfather) apparently named after both = grandfathers. When Samuel was about 4 months old, Allie contacted = Typhoid Fever and died October 15, 1899, leaving Clara a young widow = with one small child. The autograph book entry is as follows: April 30, 1897 Darling Clara, Long, long years we may live together Which I trust will be our lot Though if I have to leave you Clara please forget me not. Devotedly Allie Gudgel I just think it is odd that of all the things he could have written that = he chose this. Just coincidence I suppose, but I will forever cherish = this gift. Linda from Kentucky Spring time in Kentucky and the Derby isn't far away. 1st Saturday in = May. From: "Teressa Lenkey" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Allie Lee Gudgel (1875-1899) Anderson Co., KY Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:18:37 -0700 Thank you Linda for sharing that -- it truly warmed my heart... it's items like this that keeps me going in Genealogy. Teressa - Puyallup, Washington ... where its been raining for weeks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: Allie Lee Gudgel (1875-1899) Anderson Co., KY Hi Folks- Today I received something very valuable to my Gudgel research. My = cousin, Dianne Smith, of Versailles, KY, came by my office to give me = something she thought I should have. Dianne's grandmother, Clara Huston = Hawkins Gudgel Young, was my great grandmother. It is an autograph book = that belonged to Clara and the earliest date in it made Clara about 13 = years old at the time. In those days (1890's) autograph books were = quite popular with young people. But the wonderful part of this is not = only that it belonged to my great grandmother, Clara, (known to me as = Mama Clare), but it has a handwritten little poem written by my great = grandfather, Allie Lee Gudgel, who I never knew. I have looked for a = picture of Allie for years and never found one so this is as close as I = have come to connecting something to him. To set the stage for this poem let me give you a bit of history on = Allie. Allie Lee Gudgel (1875-1899) youngest of 8 children of Jacob = Madison Gudgel and Frances Matilda Griffey, married December 15, 1896 = Anderson Co., KY to Clara Hutson Hawkins, only child of Samuel Hutson = Hawkins and Mary L. Mothershead, all of Anderson Co., Ky. Allie and = Clara married very young and, in fact, Clara was still in school when = they married. One child was born of this union on June 10, 1899, a son, = Samuel Madison Gudgel, (my grandfather) apparently named after both = grandfathers. When Samuel was about 4 months old, Allie contacted = Typhoid Fever and died October 15, 1899, leaving Clara a young widow = with one small child. The autograph book entry is as follows: April 30, 1897 Darling Clara, Long, long years we may live together Which I trust will be our lot Though if I have to leave you Clara please forget me not. Devotedly Allie Gudgel I just think it is odd that of all the things he could have written = that he chose this. Just coincidence I suppose, but I will forever = cherish this gift. Linda from Kentucky Spring time in Kentucky and the Derby isn't far away. 1st Saturday in = May. Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:41:32 -0700 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Allie Lee Gudgel (1875-1899) Anderson Co., KY To: "Teressa Lenkey" Hello Teressa, Do you have a Homer Darwin Gudgell married to Gertrude = Lamkey/Lemkey/Lenkey in your genealogy line? Homer was my husband's = Uncle. They had Gertrude Mildred, born 1926 and Betty Jane, born 1927. Vivian Gudgell from Camano Island, WA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Teressa Lenkey=20 To: Linda Gudgel Finnell ; Gudgel List=20 Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Allie Lee Gudgel (1875-1899) Anderson Co., KY Thank you Linda for sharing that -- it truly warmed my heart... it's items like this that keeps me going in Genealogy. Teressa - Puyallup, Washington ... where its been raining for weeks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: Allie Lee Gudgel (1875-1899) Anderson Co., KY Hi Folks- Today I received something very valuable to my Gudgel research. My = cousin, Dianne Smith, of Versailles, KY, came by my office to give me = something she thought I should have. Dianne's grandmother, Clara Huston = Hawkins Gudgel Young, was my great grandmother. It is an autograph book = that belonged to Clara and the earliest date in it made Clara about 13 = years old at the time. In those days (1890's) autograph books were = quite popular with young people. But the wonderful part of this is not = only that it belonged to my great grandmother, Clara, (known to me as = Mama Clare), but it has a handwritten little poem written by my great = grandfather, Allie Lee Gudgel, who I never knew. I have looked for a = picture of Allie for years and never found one so this is as close as I = have come to connecting something to him. To set the stage for this poem let me give you a bit of history on = Allie. Allie Lee Gudgel (1875-1899) youngest of 8 children of Jacob = Madison Gudgel and Frances Matilda Griffey, married December 15, 1896 = Anderson Co., KY to Clara Hutson Hawkins, only child of Samuel Hutson = Hawkins and Mary L. Mothershead, all of Anderson Co., Ky. Allie and = Clara married very young and, in fact, Clara was still in school when = they married. One child was born of this union on June 10, 1899, a son, = Samuel Madison Gudgel, (my grandfather) apparently named after both = grandfathers. When Samuel was about 4 months old, Allie contacted = Typhoid Fever and died October 15, 1899, leaving Clara a young widow = with one small child. The autograph book entry is as follows: April 30, 1897 Darling Clara, Long, long years we may live together Which I trust will be our lot Though if I have to leave you Clara please forget me not. Devotedly Allie Gudgel I just think it is odd that of all the things he could have written = that he chose this. Just coincidence I suppose, but I will forever = cherish this gift. Linda from Kentucky Spring time in Kentucky and the Derby isn't far away. 1st Saturday = in May. Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:53:36 -0800 From: Dianne Subject: update from reunion in Oct Cyber cousins, I'm very late in getting this note to you all. The list that we compiled at the end of reunion last Oct--regarding gaps we have in our family history research--should be of interest not only to those at the reunion, but anyone who wants to help or who needs suggestions for further research. Here is the list that we compiled. Dianne The gaps focus on the 1700s and early 1800s: 1. Need to understand the early-mid 1700s PA land survey grant process. This could help us understand more about the process that lead Old Andrew to file his land permit in 1768. 2. Need to understand how to access the surviving records of the Mennonites and Quakers. Also need to understand what records were kept and how they were meant to fit into the fabric of life for those religions. 3. Need more in depth research into Bucks Co, PA early records to sort out the confusion of the two Old Andrews and the Gudgel land/court records. This county has been identified as one of the earliest places we find Gudgels. That doesn't mean other counties in PA or adjacent colonies/territories should be neglected. 4. Need to understand the family history of Frederick Gudgel's daughters to see how they interact or not with the two Old Andrews. Did the one of the Old Andrew's wife, Elizabeth, die in 1750s? If so, who became the children's guardians. Or did Old Andrew re-marry and move away with all the children? How do the daughter's lines interact in successive generations or did they? 5. Need to better understand early customs of the 1700s in regards to naming of individuals, in determining ffamily responsibility, church or other affiliations and their relationship to families. 6. Understand the lines of communication from PA to elsewhere in the mid-1700s such as roads, water, and mail service if any. 7. Understand better the PA/VA boundary dispute of the 1700s that eventually resulted in the delineation of the Mason Dixon line. Determine where the records for this period are kept and what still exists. Fayette Co, PA records may be housed in VA archives for some years of 1700. 8. Research the Woodfill, Ruker and other family lines to see how they interact with the Gudgels. 9. Research further the interaction of Daniel Boone of KY to Andrew Gudgel and their KY experiences. 10. Determine the exact relationship of Daniel Gudgel to Old Andrew. 11. Conduct specific research in: Richland Township, Bedminister Township, and Hilltown Township in Bucks Co, PA for every incident involving Gudgels, the two Old Andrews, and the line of their in-laws. Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:33:53 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: DNA project This may be the time to look into DNA testing to jump start our project. There may be some ideas at this web page. http://www.familytreedna.com/ We could at least find out which tree we descended from.. If enough people want to start a surname project there they give a discount although I don't know how much. There may be other DNA testing companies that are better but I only looked at this one. There is a lot of helpful info I think here. Doyal Gudgel From: myrnareynolds@att.net To: gene.gaddis@wadsworthatheneum.org (Gene Gaddis), sn0wboardchica@yahoo.com (Marina Gagliardi), mdg@evansville.net (Irma Garrett), leegeisel@yahoo.com (Lee Geisel), JGLIECO@aol.com (Jen Glieco), nangoebel@bpsinet.com (Nancy Goebel), bmca@gibsoncounty.net (Brian & Missy Gottman), janeg@gibsoncounty.net (Jane Gottman), hhgraff@hotmail.com (Hilary Graff), jrgraham825@aol.com (Jill Graham), jrgraham825@comcast.net (Jill R. Graham), karen.grund@berbee.com (Karen (Smith) Grund), awporbb@aol.com (Stephen Gubler), awporbb@sigecom.net (Steve Gubler), gudgel-list@eskimo.com (Family Gudgel) Subject: New E Mail Address Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 04:28:58 +0000 Beginning on May 1st, my new e mail address will be myrnareynolds@comcast.net. Thank you for making the change in your address book. m. From: egudgel@comcast.net To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com (Gudgel list all gudgels) Cc: wegudgel@juno.com Subject: Help need address and email to reach Gudgel Family Connections Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:53:38 +0000 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: eBay item re: R.J. Gudgell - 1867 Green River County, Utah Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:44:42 -0400 Hi Folks- For anyone interested there is an item on eBay # 3971994901 concerning = an 1867 Utah Terrotiry Grand Larceny Deposition Document concerninga John = Lewis. Sgt R.J. Gudgell made a statement in this case concerning some = alleged stolen military clothing. Makes for some interesting reading. = Can anyone identify this R.J. Gudgell? I think it is Richard J. Gudgell, son of John Franklin Gudgell and = Cynthia Brown. He was born 1843 Livingston Co., MO and died. 1921 Jefferson Co., Iowa. = Married to Phoebee Henderson. He served in the 3rd Iowa Cavalry, Co. F. This item is only on for about another day and a half and the price is = about $80. right now. Any takers? Linda from Kentucky cold and windy- may be a light frost tonight. All is lush and green and = it's early spring. Kentucky Derby runs Saturday at Churchill Downs! Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 20:59:26 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell CC: Gudgel List Subject: Re: eBay item re: R.J. Gudgell - 1867 Green River County, Utah I sent you his military, pension and hospital records. Come to think of it I may have a recap of the records that you returned to me.. It would be a summary not the actual records. You should have them. With the new scanners like HP that scans in pdf it will be great to create a library of pdf documents. Doyal Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi Folks- > For anyone interested there is an item on eBay # 3971994901 concerning an > 1867 Utah Terrotiry Grand Larceny Deposition Document concerninga John > Lewis. Sgt R.J. Gudgell made a statement in this case concerning some > alleged stolen military clothing. Makes for some interesting > reading. Can anyone identify this R.J. Gudgell? From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Richard J. Gudgell Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:00:59 -0400 Hi Folks- I am submitting this military information on Richard J. Gudgell that I = received from Doyal Gudgel a few years ago. Thanks for all your work on = this Doyal. This tells us so much more about Richard than I ever knew. RICHARD J. GUDGELL born June 6, 1843, died April 18, 1921 The first declaration for an Invalid Pension was made August 18, 1878 in = Linn Co., IA. At that time he was 29 years old, 5' 9" tall, dark = complexion and hazel eyes. Most information about his military service = in this application was about his regular army service and mention of = his civil war service was given as an afterthought. He enlisted as a = First Sargeant in the Indian War, Eighteenth Regiment Co. H, U.S. = Infantry. He was honorably discharged October 9, 1868.During this time = he froze an arm while on a march from Ft. Leavenworth to Fort Auburn, = Kansas. This made his arm almost useless and could not do manual labor. = He enlisted in the Eighteenth October 9, 1865 and the march in which he = froze his arm was 20 January, 1866. After his discharge he went to = Ottumma in the county of Wapillo and operated a restaurant. That was in = Iowa. Two who witnessed the affidavit were Thomas Cunningham and Daniel = Cunningham. An Adjutant General Report of November 25, 1873 stated he enrolled the = 4th day of September, 1861 at Fairfiled, Iowa in Co. F, 3rd Regt., Iowa = Cavalry Volunteers for 3 years. He was mustered in as a musician the = same day at Keokuk, Iowa.=20 Rolls stated he was present Jan. and Feb., 1864.=20 He was on furlough at muster out August 9, 1865. Enlisted a vet. January 1, 1864 At time of muster he was a corporal. Mustering officers had issued him a discharge according to regulations = so apparently the AWOL charge was a mistake. He had been listed as AWOL = at time of muster out. Shortly after his muster out he re-enlisted and = was assigned to the 18th Infantry. Jan, and Feb. 1866 present His discharge October 9, 1868 at Fort Sedgewick as Fist Sgt. in Morgan = Co., IL. Bureau of Pensions in the Dept. of Interior form stated him married to = Phoebe A. Henderson August 10, 1876. He listed 6 childred on the form. = This form was dated January 15, 1898. On March 25, 1915 another form = listed 8 children. Jackson- b. September 27, 1877, d. before 1915. LiCurgest- b. April 23, 1879 Laura- b. April 1, 1882 (Twin) Love Miller- b. April 1, 1882 (Twin) Robert B.- b. May 22, 1885 Henry Clay-b. March 16, 1887 Cordila Bell- b. February 18, 1890 Susie Brown- b. March 13, 1902 On the 26th of May, 1920 he made out another application at which time = he was 77 years old and still a resident of Fairfiled. This is in = Jefferson Co., IA. This form stated he enlisted in the Indian War. It = gave his measurements as 5' 10 1/2", white complexion, brown eyes, and = occupation as a Farmer. He spent all his life in Iowa except for 4 = years in Morgan Co., IL. Morgan Co. adjoins the SW corner of Menard Co. = He signed the application by a mark. Earlier applications were by = signature though. His address was 504 S. 3rd St., Fairfield, IA. = Witnesses were J.W. Schafer and Mrs. J.W. Schafer. Next form in the pension file was a widows application made April 28, = 1921. She said he was born April 21, 1859 and was 62 years old at the = time of application. Looks like she wrote "Petersburg" as being the = place she married but she placed it in Morgan Co., if it is read = correctly. She was born in Louisa Co., IA. Richard died April 18, 1921 = at Fairfield, IA. Witnesses were B.F. Simmons and E. Simmons of = Fairfield. Her sister, Ada Myers, of Jacksonville, Illinois, Morgan Co. = made an affidavit. Her son H. Clay Gudgell enlisted in WWI but was = discharged April 16, 1917 at Camp Dodge for Dependents. Phoebe died = April 2, 1934 Lawrence in Douglas Co., Kansas. Address: 933 Rhode = Island St. Lawrence is W. of Kansas City Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:08:38 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Richard J. Gudgell This Richard Gudgel had quite a history after the Civil War. The 18th regiment was very active in the Indian wars. The march to west after his enlistment in the 18th was terrible. The weather was so cold I cant imagine the torture they went through. That's where he froze his elbow. Unfortunately it has been a long time since I looked up the circumstances of the march. The battalion he was in didn't have the same fights with the Indians that the battalion up north of him did. In fact the Indians won a few. South where Richard was they seemed to have minor raids and just occupied the territory protecting travelers.. He spent considerable time in a post in Colorado but I am doing this from memory so I have forgotten a lot. There is a little town there and I went there some time back to see what it was like. I cant even remember the name of the town. Now I know. It was Julesberg or Julesburg. I talked to the Police chief who was also was a historian of the town but he was busy and I didn't get to talk to him much so I couldn't locate the actual location of the post. Julesberg is a long ways from Iowa when you think of getting there on a horse. I get sore just thinking about it. Linda, I think I wrote this up and put it in one of the two military 3 ring binders but it has been so long I could be mistaken. All this happened before the Battle of the Little Big Horn. But the Indian Terrorists and Indian successes was one of the reasons the Government decided it needed a lot more muscle to control the Indians. Sort of like Iraq today. The local inhabitants objected to outsiders horning in on their territory. So they sent Custer to take care of the situation. Doyal Gudgel Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi Folks- > I am submitting this military information on Richard J. Gudgell that I > received from Doyal Gudgel a few years ago. Thanks for all your work > on this Doyal. This tells us so much more about Richard than I ever knew. > > RICHARD J. GUDGELL > born June 6, 1843, died April 18, 1921 > > The first declaration for an Invalid Pension was made August 18, 1878 > in Linn Co., IA. At that time he was 29 years old, 5' 9" tall, dark > complexion and hazel eyes. Most information about his military > service in this application was about his regular army service and > mention of his civil war service was given as an afterthought. He > enlisted as a First Sargeant in the Indian War, Eighteenth Regiment > Co. H, U.S. Infantry. He was honorably discharged October 9, > 1868.During this time he froze an arm while on a march from Ft. > Leavenworth to Fort Auburn, Kansas. This made his arm almost useless > and could not do manual labor. He enlisted in the Eighteenth October > 9, 1865 and the march in which he froze his arm was 20 January, 1866. > After his discharge he went to Ottumma in the county of Wapillo and > operated a restaurant. That was in Iowa. Two who witnessed the > affidavit were Thomas Cunningham and Daniel Cunningham. > > An Adjutant General Report of November 25, 1873 stated he enrolled the > 4th day of September, 1861 at Fairfiled, Iowa in Co. F, 3rd Regt., > Iowa Cavalry Volunteers for 3 years. He was mustered in as a musician > the same day at Keokuk, Iowa. > Rolls stated he was present Jan. and Feb., 1864. > He was on furlough at muster out August 9, 1865. > Enlisted a vet. January 1, 1864 > At time of muster he was a corporal. > Mustering officers had issued him a discharge according to regulations > so apparently the AWOL charge was a mistake. He had been listed as > AWOL at time of muster out. Shortly after his muster out he > re-enlisted and was assigned to the 18th Infantry. > Jan, and Feb. 1866 present > His discharge October 9, 1868 at Fort Sedgewick as Fist Sgt. in Morgan > Co., IL. > > Bureau of Pensions in the Dept. of Interior form stated him married to > Phoebe A. Henderson August 10, 1876. He listed 6 childred on the > form. This form was dated January 15, 1898. On March 25, 1915 > another form listed 8 children. > Jackson- b. September 27, 1877, d. before 1915. > LiCurgest- b. April 23, 1879 > Laura- b. April 1, 1882 (Twin) > Love Miller- b. April 1, 1882 (Twin) > Robert B.- b. May 22, 1885 > Henry Clay-b. March 16, 1887 > Cordila Bell- b. February 18, 1890 > Susie Brown- b. March 13, 1902 > > On the 26th of May, 1920 he made out another application at which time > he was 77 years old and still a resident of Fairfiled. This is in > Jefferson Co., IA. This form stated he enlisted in the Indian War. > It gave his measurements as 5' 10 1/2", white complexion, brown eyes, > and occupation as a Farmer. He spent all his life in Iowa except for > 4 years in Morgan Co., IL. Morgan Co. adjoins the SW corner of Menard > Co. He signed the application by a mark. Earlier applications were > by signature though. His address was 504 S. 3rd St., Fairfield, IA. > Witnesses were J.W. Schafer and Mrs. J.W. Schafer. > > Next form in the pension file was a widows application made April 28, > 1921. She said he was born April 21, 1859 and was 62 years old at the > time of application. Looks like she wrote "Petersburg" as being the > place she married but she placed it in Morgan Co., if it is read > correctly. She was born in Louisa Co., IA. Richard died April 18, > 1921 at Fairfield, IA. Witnesses were B.F. Simmons and E. Simmons of > Fairfield. Her sister, Ada Myers, of Jacksonville, Illinois, Morgan > Co. made an affidavit. Her son H. Clay Gudgell enlisted in WWI but > was discharged April 16, 1917 at Camp Dodge for Dependents. Phoebe > died April 2, 1934 Lawrence in Douglas Co., Kansas. Address: 933 > Rhode Island St. Lawrence is W. of Kansas City > Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 10:22:39 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: The real cost As long as we are remembering the end of WW2 take a look at the American Cemetery in St. Avold France in November 1945. Click on the link below. 25,000 young Americans are buried here. At this time they were still removing German dead from the back side to another location. Sorry for the fuzzy picture as I was still trying to get good pictures with the Camera I traded to a German for a radio. (that didn't work) Just remember that this war had no more legitimacy than the current one. Doyal Gudgel Favorite saying. "Who wants to die for multiculturalism" -- http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/stavold.jpg From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:19:48 EDT Subject: Re: Research in Philadelphia Hello Everyone, This is Grace Gudgel - wife of David F. Gudgel of Tucson, Arizona. I will be attending a genealogical "summer camp" in Philadelphia the middle of June and will be researching in The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, City Hall/City Archives, Free Library of Philadelphia, Historical Society of Pennsylvania and the National Archives Mid-Atlantic Branch. I noticed from the results of your last reunion, you were still trying to track down certain information in Pennsylvania. If there is anything specific I can try and find while I am there, I will be happy to help. I will have to know exactly what you are looking for though, since I have not worked on any research on the family and do not want to retrace old research. Hope I can help. Grace Gudgel Subject: An amnestyusa.org action from sgudgel@bigplanet.com Sender: "Mary Gudgel" From: "Mary Gudgel" Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:38:30 -0400 To: "gudgel-list@eskimo.com" Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com This action from amnestyusa.org has been sent to you by sgudgel@bigplanet.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pledge Your Commitment to Denounce Torture http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/petition/Index.asp?id=30 As part of the Denounce Torture: Stop It Now! initiative, Amnesty International USA is hoping to have at least 250,000 people living in the United States sign a special statement against torture. Amnesty International USA will use this in our efforts to show the Bush Administration, Congress and others that those living in the United States are strongly opposed torture and ill-treatment in all circumstances. Please take action now by signing the statement! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Make a Donation and Join Amnesty International Amnesty International works worldwide to defend human rights and uphold human dignity. We need your support now more than ever. Please give generously today. Go to: https://secure3.ctsg.com/amnestyusa/donation/index.asp?item=1&ms=A3 From: "William Gudgel" To: "GUDGEL-list, e-mail conferencing" Subject: Re: An amnestyusa.org action from sgudgel@bigplanet.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:35:43 -0700 I respect your opinion but ... Please DO NOT send me this kind of literature. Also, Please DO NOT give my e-mail address to any political organizations or any so called special interest groups. The Gudgel-list is a GENEALOGY oriented news group. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGELL/POWER(s) Marriages-Bath Co., KY Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:20:50 -0400 Hi Folks- I ran across a list of Bath Co., KY marriages and don't know who these = two are. Can someone tell me who the Gudgell girls families are? James H. POWER to Jane GUDGELL- November 5, 1863 William D. POWERS to Ann GUDGELL- February 13, 1866 Not sure if they could be African American or not but I don't have any = other information. We do know of the marriage of Thomas Fletcher = GUDGELL and Mary Magdalena POWER(s) married in 1837 Bath Co., KY and = this was a white family. Comments? Hope everyone is having a good summer. Haven't been doing much with the = genealogy lately. Grandaughter Katherine is doing fine. 2 1/2 months = old now and cute as can be. And yes, I pinch her every chance I get! Linda from Kentucky Lazy, hazy days of summer. From: "Kenneth Young" To: "'Linda Gudgel Finnell'" , Subject: RE: GUDGELL/POWER(s) Marriages-Bath Co., KY Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:21:08 -0500 Jane Gudgell was a daughter of Thomas Fletcher Gudgell. Thomas also had = a daughter by the name of Ann born about two years after Jane, but I do = not have any more information about her. Also, Thomas Fletcher Gudgell was = the Great Grandfather of the late Anna Dawson Gardner Manly. =20 Kenneth Young =20 -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell [mailto:lfinnell@infionline.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:21 To: Gudgel List Subject: GUDGELL/POWER(s) Marriages-Bath Co., KY =20 Hi Folks- =20 I ran across a list of Bath Co., KY marriages and don't know who these = two are. Can someone tell me who the Gudgell girls families are? =20 James H. POWER to Jane GUDGELL- November 5, 1863 =20 William D. POWERS to Ann GUDGELL- February 13, 1866 =20 Not sure if they could be African American or not but I don't have any = other information. We do know of the marriage of Thomas Fletcher GUDGELL and = Mary Magdalena POWER(s) married in 1837 Bath Co., KY and this was a white = family. Comments? =20 Hope everyone is having a good summer. Haven't been doing much with the genealogy lately. Grandaughter Katherine is doing fine. 2 1/2 months = old now and cute as can be. And yes, I pinch her every chance I get! Linda from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: , "'Gudgel List'" Subject: Re: GUDGELL/POWER(s) Marriages-Bath Co., KY Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:25:48 -0400 Hello Kenneth- Thanks for the information about these Gudgell girls. Is the Jane you = are referring to as the daughter of Thomas Fletcher Gudgell also known = as Jeanette Martha Gudgell b. 1839? Is she the one who married James H. = Power(s)? I had no spouse listed for either Jane (Jeanette) or her sister, Ann. = Do you have a list of Thomas Fletcher Gudgell's children and their = spouses? Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kenneth Young=20 To: 'Linda Gudgel Finnell' ; 'Gudgel List'=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: RE: GUDGELL/POWER(s) Marriages-Bath Co., KY Jane Gudgell was a daughter of Thomas Fletcher Gudgell. Thomas also = had a daughter by the name of Ann born about two years after Jane, but I = do not have any more information about her. Also, Thomas Fletcher = Gudgell was the Great Grandfather of the late Anna Dawson Gardner Manly. Kenneth Young -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell [mailto:lfinnell@infionline.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:21 To: Gudgel List Subject: GUDGELL/POWER(s) Marriages-Bath Co., KY Hi Folks- I ran across a list of Bath Co., KY marriages and don't know who these = two are. Can someone tell me who the Gudgell girls families are? James H. POWER to Jane GUDGELL- November 5, 1863 William D. POWERS to Ann GUDGELL- February 13, 1866 Not sure if they could be African American or not but I don't have any = other information. We do know of the marriage of Thomas Fletcher = GUDGELL and Mary Magdalena POWER(s) married in 1837 Bath Co., KY and = this was a white family. Comments? Hope everyone is having a good summer. Haven't been doing much with = the genealogy lately. Grandaughter Katherine is doing fine. 2 1/2 = months old now and cute as can be. And yes, I pinch her every chance I = get! Linda from Kentucky Lazy, hazy days of summer. Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel cc: 548906908@verizon.net Subject: Polly Gudgel and David Dunlap (fwd) Hi guyz... I don't think this made it to the gudgel list so I'll forward it along... Hope you're having a good summer. I went to Wisconsin last week for the Midwest Renewable Energy Fair and had a great time. boB ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:38:26 -0400 From: DEBRA LANCE <548906908@verizon.net> To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Polly Gudgel and David Dunlap Hello, I am wondering if anyone knows if David Dunlap husband of Polly Gudgel (who was the daughter of Andrew Gudgel and Jane or Jean Mitchell) is the same David Dunlap who was born 15 Jul 1794 in Kentucky, son of Richard Dunlap and Elizabeth Wyle. I saw a David Dunlap with an exact birthdate and parents on the LDS, IGI and it was close enough that I am wondering if it is the same David that married Polly. He was the only candidate born near Pollys birthdate. Debbie Lance From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: David Dunlap and Polly Gudgell Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:53:40 -0400 Debbie- I found David and Polly Gudgell Dunlap (marr. 1823 Bath Co., KY) in the = 1860 Census for Calloway Co., MO as follows: 1860 Census Calloway Co., MO Line 32, 860/866, pg. 900, (Fulton?) P.O., August 14, 1860 DUNLAP, David, 65, male, Farmer, $10,000./$6,000., b. NC Polly, 66, female, b. KY Robert F, 25, male, Farmer, $500. personal, b. MO Mary, 20, female, b. MO I do have David's parents as Robert Dunlap, Sr. (d. 1848) and Elizabeth = Wile (d. 1834). Another son of Robert and Elizabeth Dunlap, named John, = married Polly's sister, Elizabeth Allen Gudgell, 1814 in Bath Co., KY, = however, John and Elizabeth didn't appear in the 1860 Census for = Calloway Co., MO. Hope this helps. Linda from Kentucky Very hot and dry. Temps in high 90's to 100 degrees daily. We could = sure use a rain. From: egudgel@comcast.net To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com (Gudgel list all gudgels) Subject: Katherine ( Gudgel) Williams SFC Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:41:10 +0000 My grand-daughter Katherine Williams is in Iraq. She is not in combat but reports it is hot with dust-storms. Two other Gudgels my nephew Robert and his son were in Desert Storm and came home safely. Her email is tytayna@hotmail.com and her army address is SPC Katherine Williams HQ PLT 249th PLS Company APO?AE 09331. if wish to communicate with her. All is quiet after Dennis passed only wind and rain here in Fort Myers. Ed Gudgel Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:43:29 -0800 From: Dianne To: egudgel@comcast.net Subject: Re: Gudgel's in Iraq? How many other Gudgel's are in the military in Iraq or neighboring territories where their safety is likely compromised? I know of a few more, but lets hear from the rest of you. D egudgel@comcast.net wrote: > My grand-daughter Katherine Williams is in Iraq. She is not in combat > but reports it is hot with dust-storms. Two other Gudgels my nephew > Robert and his son were in Desert Storm and came home safely. Her > email is tytayna@hotmail.com and her army > address is SPC Katherine Williams HQ PLT 249th PLS Company APO?AE > 09331. if wish to communicate with her. All is quiet after Dennis > passed only wind and rain here in Fort Myers. Ed Gudgel From: "mfleegel@adelphia.net" Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:01:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Gudgel's in Iraq? Hi All, My son, John is deployed near Fallujah, Iraq. He is an infantryman with the II Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward), 2nd Division, 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment. He left Camp Legeune, NC on January 12th and is nearing the end of his deployment. He received a Purple Heart for injuries received in a road-side bomb on February 21st (One Marine was killed in the incident) He mailed the Purple Heart home and it arrived today. His Company, India Company, was a lead unit during Operation Clear Decision, one of the many efforts to find and destroy weapons caches and detain insurgents. He was promoted to Lance Corporal on his 21st birthday, May 4th. He has had dysentery and stepped on a spike strip that took him out of the action for 3 weeks. His attitude is good but he is understandably anxious to come home. I am currently visiting my parents in Tuscon, AZ and have been experiencing 100+ temperatures everyday. At least I can come into the air-conditioning. When I talked to John he said the thing he misses most in Iraq is air-conditioning! He is in the heat every day, all day, wearing 70 lbs. of gear with his gun and helmet while he walks on patrol, stands post and completes his assignments to catch the "bad guys." There is a forest fire raging on the Mountain across the valley from my parent's home in Green Valley. It is threatening Madera Canyon, a wonderful outdoor area known for it's great bird watching. We're all hoping for the Monsoons to arrive soon. Hope your summer has been pleasant. Mia Fleegel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Abraham Gudgel Pension Records Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:52:50 -0400 Hi Folks- I am going to attempt again to enter the pension record information on = some Gudgel boys who served in case some of you don't have this = information. I don't know if I will be duplicating previously submitted = information because I don't remember where I left off. I will submit = information on various Gudgel(l)'s as time permits. It's been very busy = this summer. Katherine, the new grandaughter, is now 4 months old and = we are enjoying her so much. She is such a joy to us and as with most = grandparents, we are just silly about her . Hope everyone is having a good summer. Please share with the list what = you've been doing this summer so we can all enjoy the news. It's been = very dry and super hot in Kentucky. Linda from Kentucky ABRAHAM GUDGEL (Son of William Gudgel and Lucinda Thurman). >From Doyal Gudgel: Information obtained from the pension file in the = National Archives File No. WC698 307: The Army gave Abraham GUDGEL a Disability Certificate of Discharge dated = October 15, 1863. According to the certificate he enlisted in Co. "A" = 58th Indiana Regiment Volunteers by Col. J.T. Embree on September 1, = 1862. A three year enlistment. His description was 5' 10 1/4", fair = complexion, blue eyes, dark hair, 18 years old. Occupation: farmer. He = was discharged at Nashville, TN and had been in Hospital 14. A certificate stated Abraham married Anna Elizabeth Weed on February 5, = 1868. In a pension application a James B. Epperson, Circuit Court Judge, took = the Oath of Abraham that he was the same Abraham that enlisted in the = 58th Regiment September 1, 1862. He contacted some diseases while doing = duty with the rgiment at Murfreesboro and Nashville. He got diarrhea, = Typhoid Fever and Heart problems and as a result could not do work = two-thirds of the time. He was in Hospital 14 at Nashville from = January, 1863 to October, 1863 at which time he was discharged. = Following the discharge he lived in the vicinity of Owensville, IN. Abraham and Anna had 8 children named (living to adulthood): Luella, Perry Morton, Arthur T., Della, Oma Backy, Roy Pavey, Katie Alma = and Joseph Ora. On March 7, 1907 he made out another declaration for pension and said he = lived all his life where he was born. At that time his address was RFD = 19, Box 22. The next paper in the file was the Declaration for Widows Pension where = Anne Elizabeth stated Abraham died January 29, 1910. They were married = at or near Fort Branch she stated. She was attended by her sons, Perry = Morton GUDGEL and Arthur T. GUDGEL when she made the application. The final paper in the file declared the pensioner, Anne Elizabeth = GUDGEL, had been dropped from the rolls because of death which occured = October 9, 1915. >From my notes: 1880 Census, Montgomery, Gibson Co., Indiana, page 282C: GUDGEL, Abraham, Head, marr., male, white, 36, b. IN, Farmer, fa. b. KY, = mo. b. OH Annie E., wife, marr., female, white, 29, b. IN, Keeps House, fa. b. NY, = mo. b. TN Luella, dau., single, female, white, 11, b. IN, At. Home, fa. b. IN, mo. = b. IN Homer, son, single, male, white, 8, b. IN, fa. b. IN, mo. b. IN Zenas W., son, single, male, white, 6, b. IN, fa. b. IN, mo. b. IN Perry M., son, single, male, white, 4, b. IN, fa. b. IN, mo. b. IN Arthur T., son, single, male, white, 2, b. IN, fa. b. IN, mo. b. IN From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Alexander Gudgel Pension Record Information Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:55:50 -0400 ALEXANDER GUDGEL (January 14, 1845 - October 22, 1916) Son of Preston Gudgel and America Ursala P. Blake >From Doyal Gudgel-Information from Pension files: Alexander Gudgel was 5'8", dark complexioned, grey eyes, (one report = says blue eyes), dark (black) hair. One report says blue eyes. He = enlised in Company "F" 145th Regt., Inf. Indiana Volunteers on January = 30, 1865 and was mustered out at Macon, GA with the regiment January 21, = 1866. The regiment was commanded by Capt. William Daugherty. He lived = in a town called Graham or GrahamTwp., since disappeared. Medical records of the unit show him sick in the regimental hospital = March 15 to March 23 with Measles. March 24 till May 23 with = Intermittent Fever. May 24 (Malaria?). Returned to duty July 28. Because he enlisted he was entitled to bounty. Records of the outfit which detail his duty record that in December, = 1865 he was on duty at Albany, GA. Also that he was there from August = 1, 1865. In June of 1865 he was guarding a wagon supply trin. This = duty was apparently during the reconsctruction of the south. Following the war and when he was 41, he made application for invalid = army pension. He stated he had been living in Deputy, Jefferson Co., = IN. Deputy is a little north of west of Madison in the southeastern = part of Indiana. This is not far from the Ohio River on Highway 3. In = this application he said he 3was living in Deputy even though he made = the application in Bartholomew County. While living in the area he gave = his occupation as a Farmer. He apparently lived all his life in Deputy, = Indiana. This application said the location of the hospital he was in = during March and April was at Dalton, GA. This disease of Measles was = attributed by him as giving him chronic diarrhea, a very common disease = of Civil War soldiers. He married Valorie Sips April 19, 1890 in Scott Co., IN by Alexander = ____. His new bride died September, 1890, the same year. Witnessing the application was a Lewis Blake and Gilson Whitsill. Alexander was married only the one time and had no children. Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Gudgel Subject: Fwd: Re: Alexander Gudgel Pension Record Information Stephen Gudgel wrote:Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 04:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Gudgel Subject: Re: Alexander Gudgel Pension Record Information To: Linda Gudgel Finnell If Alexander lived in Deputy, then he had to have known my great-grandfather's family, as that is where they lived and my father was even born there (Shelby Grafton Gudgel's wife Melissa and her children: my grandfather, Morton Schuyler and his brother and sister). According to my info., they moved to Deputy or back to Deputy after my great-grandfather died in Cincinnati. My father was born in 1915. Alexander would have to have known my family. Deputy is a very small town. Stephen Barcelona Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: ALEXANDER GUDGEL (January 14, 1845 - October 22, 1916) Son of Preston Gudgel and America Ursala P. Blake >From Doyal Gudgel-Information from Pension files: Alexander Gudgel was 5'8", dark complexioned, grey eyes, (one report says blue eyes), dark (black) hair. One report says blue eyes. He enlised in Company "F" 145th Regt., Inf. Indiana Volunteers on January 30, 1865 and was mustered out at Macon, GA with the regiment January 21, 1866. The regiment was commanded by Capt. William Daugherty. He lived in a town called Graham or GrahamTwp., since disappeared. Medical records of the unit show him sick in the regimental hospital March 15 to March 23 with Measles. March 24 till May 23 with Intermittent Fever. May 24 (Malaria?). Returned to duty July 28. Because he enlisted he was entitled to bounty. Records of the outfit which detail his duty record that in December, 1865 he was on duty at Albany, GA. Also that he was there from August 1, 1865. In June of 1865 he was guarding a wagon supply trin. This duty was apparently during the reconsctruction of the south. Following the war and when he was 41, he made application for invalid army pension. He stated he had been living in Deputy, Jefferson Co., IN. Deputy is a little north of west of Madison in the southeastern part of Indiana. This is not far from the Ohio River on Highway 3. In this application he said he 3was living in Deputy even though he made the application in Bartholomew County. While living in the area he gave his occupation as a Farmer. He apparently lived all his life in Deputy, Indiana. This application said the location of the hospital he was in during March and April was at Dalton, GA. This disease of Measles was attributed by him as giving him chronic diarrhea, a very common disease of Civil War soldiers. He married Valorie Sips April 19, 1890 in Scott Co., IN by Alexander ____. His new bride died September, 1890, the same year. Witnessing the application was a Lewis Blake and Gilson Whitsill. Alexander was married only the one time and had no children. Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:28:52 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Alexander Gudgel Pension Record Information I want to thank Linda for posting these military records. It was so exciting to acquire the military, pension, and hospital records of the Gudgel's in the unCivil War. It was a total mystery at the time. Although it was before the internet it was fairly cheap to send requests to the Archives and get information back. A thorough analysis from the records will show connections between families and where they lived that is not apparent without comparing them. Sometimes a witness of a pension or some government form shows what the connection is to the veteran. Or it may even tell the connection in the affidavit Linda keep them coming. Thanks Doyal Gudgel. Stephen Gudgel wrote: > > > Stephen Gudgel wrote: > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 04:25:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Stephen Gudgel > Subject: Re: Alexander Gudgel Pension Record Information > To: Linda Gudgel Finnell > > If Alexander lived in Deputy, then he had to have known my > great-grandfather's family, as that is where they lived and my > father was even born there (Shelby Grafton Gudgel's wife Melissa > and her children: my grandfather, Morton Schuyler and his brother > and sister). According to my info., they moved to Deputy or back > to Deputy after my great-grandfather died in Cincinnati. My > father was born in 1915. Alexander would have to have known my > family. Deputy is a very small town. > Stephen > Barcelona > > Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > ALEXANDER GUDGEL > (January 14, 1845 - October 22, 1916) > Son of Preston Gudgel and America Ursala P. Blake > > > From Doyal Gudgel-Information from Pension files: > Alexander Gudgel was 5'8", dark complexioned, grey eyes, (one > report says blue eyes), dark (black) hair. One report says > blue eyes. He enlised in Company "F" 145th Regt., Inf. > Indiana Volunteers on January 30, 1865 and was mustered out at > Macon, GA with the regiment January 21, 1866. The regiment > was commanded by Capt. William Daugherty. He lived in a town > called Graham or GrahamTwp., since disappeared. > > Medical records of the unit show him sick in the regimental > hospital March 15 to March 23 with Measles. March 24 till May > 23 with Intermittent Fever. May 24 (Malaria?). Returned to > duty July 28. > > Because he enlisted he was entitled to bounty. > > Records of the outfit which detail his duty record that in > December, 1865 he was on duty at Albany, GA. Also that he was > there from August 1, 1865. In June of 1865 he was guarding a > wagon supply trin. This duty was apparently during the > reconsctruction of the south. > > Following the war and when he was 41, he made application for > invalid army pension. He stated he had been living in Deputy, > Jefferson Co., IN. Deputy is a little north of west of > Madison in the southeastern part of Indiana. This is not far > from the Ohio River on Highway 3. In this application he said > he 3was living in Deputy even though he made the application > in Bartholomew County. While living in the area he gave his > occupation as a Farmer. He apparently lived all his life in > Deputy, Indiana. This application said the location of the > hospital he was in during March and April was at Dalton, GA. > This disease of Measles was attributed by him as giving him > chronic diarrhea, a very common disease of Civil War soldiers. > > He married Valorie Sips April 19, 1890 in Scott Co., IN by > Alexander ____. His new bride died September, 1890, the same > year. > > Witnessing the application was a Lewis Blake and Gilson Whitsill. > > Alexander was married only the one time and had no children. > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Gudgel/Gudgell Obit notices from the Archives of Legacy.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:02:09 -0400 Just found these and thought they may be of interest. Detailed obit = information can be acquired from Legacy.com for a fee. Gudgell, Charles Edward - Charles Edward Gudgell, Jr., on = Wednesday, November 19, 2003. Beloved husband of Mary Ellender Gudgell. = Father of Bryan D. Gudgell, Andrew R. Gudgell and Christa ...=20 Published in The Times-Picayune on 11/23/2003. =20 Gudgell, Mabel P. - Gudgell, Mabel P. - Beloved Wife, Aunt Age 91, = Formerly of San Diego, CA Passed away peacefully, surrounded by her = family on May 1, 2004. ...=20 Published in the Pioneer Press on 5/3/2004. =20 Gudgell, Ruby - Mrs. Ruby Gudgell, age 85 years, of Natchez, MS, = died Sunday, July 20, 2003 at University Medical Center, Jackson, MS. = Mrs. Gudgell was born May ...=20 Published in The Times-Picayune on 7/23/2003. =20 Gudgel, Geneva - Family-Placed Obituary GUDGEL, Geneva Lee = (Benton) 86, left her earthly life and entered into a new life with her = heavenly Father on January 18, .... More =20 Published in the Springfield News-Sun on 1/21/2005. =20 Archived Notice - $=20 =20 =20 Gudgel, Helen Virginia - NORTH VERNON -- Helen Virginia = Gudgel, 74, Dove- Sharp & Rudicel. .... More =20 Published in The Courier-Journal on 10/20/2004. =20 =20 =20 Gudgel, John B. - Gudgel, 62, of Salinas died Monday, Feb. = 16. He was born July 10, 1941 in Indianapolis, Indiana and had lived in = Salinas for 27 .... More =20 Published in the Monterey Herald on 2/20/2004. =20 Archived Notice - $=20 =20 =20 Gudgel, Jon A. - Jon A. Gudgel Was born in Kalispell, = Montana on November 30th, 1940 and went with the Lord on June 2nd, 2004 = in his home in .... More =20 Published in the Marin Independent Journal on 6/5/2004. =20 Archived Notice - $=20 =20 =20 Gudgel, Marion (Joyce) - November 27, 1998, age 94, of = Lexington, KY. Beloved wife of the late John W. Gudgel; dear mother of = Carol G. (Richard) Wagner and .... More =20 Published in the Buffalo News on 12/6/1998. =20 Archived Notice - $=20 =20 =20 Gudgel, Virginia Williams "Sis" - DANVILLE -- Virginia = "Sis" Williams Gudgel, 87, Stith Funeral Home. .... More =20 Published in The Courier-Journal on 5/7/2005. =20 =20 =20 Gudgel, Virginia Williams "Sis" - DANVILLE - Virginia "Sis" = Williams Gudgel, 87, died Wed., May 4, 2005. Widow of Dr. Paul P. = Gudgel. Graveside Service 2 pm Sat., at Bellevue .... More =20 Published in the Lexington Herald-Leader on 5/6/2005. =20 =20 =20 Gudgell, Charles Edward - Charles Edward Gudgell, Jr., on = Wednesday, November 19, 2003. Beloved husband of Mary Ellender Gudgell. = Father of Bryan D. Gudgell, Andrew R. Gudgell and Christa .... More =20 Published in The Times-Picayune on 11/23/2003. =20 Archived Notice - $=20 =20 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Benjamin F. Gudgel Pension Records Information Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:15:35 -0400 BENJAMIN F. GUDGEL b. July 2, 1835 - d. March 5, 1913; son of John Franklin Gudgel and = Cynthia Ann Brown. Born Anderson Co., KY. , Enlisted 3rd Iowa Cavalry Volunteers. The Adjutant Generals office report on the military service of Benjamin = stated that he was re-enrolled and mustered in on the 4th day of = September, 1861 at Fairfield Co., Iowa in Co. F., 3rd Rgt. Iowa Cavalry = Volunteers. His enlistment was for 3 years. He was on the rolls until = December 31, 1861 at which time he was reported sick at Jefferson City = with what not stated. He was back on the rolls in January and February = 1862. When he returned was not stated. He was re-enlisted as a veteran = volunteer on January 1st or 11th, 1864 at Little Rock. Muster out roll = dated August 9, 1865 reported him with Remittent fever October 27, 1861. A further report gave more details. He enlisted as a musician. His = first sickness at the Hospital July and August, 1862 and he was on = detached duty. From September until April 30, 1863 back on the rolls. = May and June he was detached as an artilleryman and also July and = August. September and October 1863 he was back on the rolls. January = and February on furlough and re-enlistment in vets. On rolls until = muster out. Hospital reported him with Remittent fever October 27, = 1861. A bureau of Pension form that he filled out stated that he married Maria = G. Farrington at Agency City, Wappalou Co., Iowa by Jesse Leonard, J.P. = on the 10th of September, 1867. He had no record of the marriage. He = gave the name of Hon. B.F. Gudgel, b. November 19, 1880 as his only = child. This form was filled out January 15, 1898. (Apparenly named = after Benjamin F. Gudgel). The war department obtained more information about Benjamin-most of it a = repeat. On January 1, 1864 he was 28 years old, he held the rank of = Private as a musician. One August 31 he held the rank of Corporal. = August 31 he was detached to St. Louis to 1st Battery K, 2nd Missouri = Artillery, stayed in the Artillery July and August 1863. November 7, = 1861 furloughed with Remittent fever. In 1864 he had some inflamation = for about 6 weeks. On January 2 to 25, 1865 he was suffering from a = gunshot wound. After being wounded he apparently had some sickness but = was returned to rolls before muster out. On May 18, 1912 he applied for pension by that time being 76 years old. = He lived at Fairfield, Iowa in Jefferson Co. He described himself as = 5'10", dark complexion, hazel eyes, brown hair, occupation: farmer. And = that he was born in Anderson Co., KY on July 2, 1835. His place of = residence was at Fairfield, Iowa until 1904; Arkansas City, Kansas for = one year; Salome Springs, Arkansas about 2 1/2 years; Brighten, Iowa 3 = 1/2 years; and back to Fairfield, Iowa in 1911. Charles S. Crail and = John M. Coats witnessed the application. On March 12, 1913 Maria Gudgell made out a pension application as a = widow. They were married September 10, 1867 by Jesse Leonard. Benjamin = died March 5, 1913. They left no children. Signing the application = were Richard J. Gudgell and Phoebe T. Gudgell (Benjamin's brother and = sister-in-law). Maria's address was RFD#3 Ottumwa, Wapello Co., Iowa. = H.H. Canaday gave an affidavit stating he was her brother-in-law and he = had known her for 52 years. Witnessing her signature was Albert C. = Evans and John W. Gayen. The Canaday affidavit was done December 31, = 1921. It was an application for reimbursement for the sickness and = funeral expenses. B.F. Canaday was 59 years old when he made out the = application. He said he was her nephew. Canaday's wife's name was = Alice. She died at B.F. Canaday's home and was buried at the Ottumwa = Cemetery at Ottumwa.=20 These are from my notes: Served in the 3rd Iowa Cavalry. Data files- GUDGELL, Benjamin F. (Veteran), Age 26, Residence: Fairfield, Iowa, = Nativity: Kentucky. Enlisted August 26, 1861, as Bugler. Mustered August 30, 1861. Re-enlisted and re-mustered Feb. 1, 1864. = Promoted Eight Corporal Sept 1, 1864; Seventh Corporal January 13, 1865; = Sixth Corporal March 1, 1865; Fifth Corporal July 1, 1865; Mustred out = August 9, 1865 Atlanta, GA. 1870 Census, Fairfield, Jefferson Co., Iowa Taken August 17, 1870, pg. 92 line 26; 27/29 GUDGEL, B.F., 35, male, white, Carpenter, b. LY Mariah, 22, female, white, Keeping house, b. IN Ann, 64, female, white, no occupation, b. KY line 29; 27/20 (same house/another family): CANADAY, Hugh, 37, male, white, Blacksmith, b. OH Love, 25, female, white, Keeping House, b. MO Ben F., 8, male, white, b. Iowa ELLIS, Caroline, 19, female, white, Domestic, b. Iowa GUDGELL, Jackson, 40, male, white, Carpenter, b. KY 1880 Federal Census, Fairfield, Jefferson Co.,Iowa, pg. 393C: Frank GUDGELL, self, male, married, white, age 44, b. KY, fa. b. KY, mo. = b. KY; Occ.: Carpenter Maria GUDGELL, wife, female, married, white, age 33, b. IN, fa. b. NC, = mo. b. NC; Occ. Keeping House Sythia A. GUDGELL, mother, female, widowed, white, age 74, b. KY, fa. b. = VA, mo. b. VA Obituary from the Ottumwa Courier, March 5, 1913, pg. 9, col. 5: B.F. GUDGELL, a pioneer resident of Fairfield, passed away this morning = at the home of his sister, Mrs. H.H. Cannaday, on Prairie Avenue, after = an illness that covered a period of 4 years. He had been at the home of = his sister for a week. The funeral services will be held Friday at 2:30 = pm at the home of Mrs. Canaday. Rev. S.B. Ross, pastor of the First = Christian Church of Fairfield, will be in charge of the service. The = remains will be laid to rest in the Ottumwa Cemetery. The deceased was born in the state of Kentucky July 2, 1835. In 1859 = Mr. Gudgell moved to Fairfield. He enlisted in the 3rd Iowa Cavalry, = Co. F, and served 4 years in the war. After the war he again returned = to Fairfield where he has resided continously ever since. Besides his = wife he leaves 1 brother and 2 sisters. They are R.J. Gudgell of = Fairfiled, Mrs. Lenora Sutliff of Butte Valley, Cal, and Mrs. H.H. = Canaday of this city. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Paul Wade GUDGELL obit (1918-2005) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:03:41 -0400 Hi Folks- Paul Gudgell was a subscriber to our Gudgel Connections Newsletter I = believe. I know his brother, Harriell, was and also was subscribed to = this list. Paul and Harriell visited with me a couple of years ago and = we had a grand time talking about the GUDGEL/GUDGELL families and how we = were connected. There was a picture of Paul and Harriell Gudgell taken = at that visit in a recent Gudgel Connections Newsletter. Maybe you saw = it. I am so glad I can say I got to meet both of them. Our sympathy = goes out to these families during this trying time. If you would like = to contact Paul's brother, Harriell, you can reach him at: = DHGudgell@msn.com=20 Linda from Kentucky Paul Wade Gudgell =20 =20 GUDGELL, Paul Wade, 87, Lago Vista, Texas went to be with the Lord = Mon., Aug. 8, 2005. He was born May 2, 1918 in Bath County, KY to = Wallace and Rebecca Gudgell. Paul graduated from Transylvania University = in Lexington, KY class of 1938. He was a retired Colonel in the U.S. Air = Force, serving in both WWII and the Korean Conflict. Paul worked for = Shell Oil for 39 years and was a Senior Staff Process Engineer upon = retirement. Paul enjoyed doing family genealogy and gardening. His = greatest joy came from spending time with his family and the = accomplishments of his grandchildren. Paul is survived by his loving = wife of 59 years, Dorothy Gudgell; sons Dennis Gudgell and wife Sharon, = Wallis Gudgell and wife Susan; brother, Harriel Gudgell and wife Dee; = sister, Jane Young; five grandchildren; many nieces, nephews, other = relatives and friends. His parents, and two sisters, Helen Willmott and = Betty Wallace Daniels, precede Paul in death. Funeral services will be = 10:30 am Sat., Aug. 13, 2005 at Forest Park Lawndale funeral home in the = Chapel of Angels. Burial will follow at Forest Park Cemetery. Visitation = will be Fri., Aug. 12, 2005 from 5-8 pm. Guestbook at Legacy.com=20 Published in the Lexington Herald-Leader on 8/11/2005. =20 From: "Terri Montigny" Cc: "Douglas Stout" , Subject: Helen Gudgel Sites Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:24:44 -0400 I wanted to let everyone know that my Aunt, Helen Gudgel Sites, is in the hospital. Many of you met her at the reunion in Kentucky. She turned 91 last February. Please keep her in your prayers and if you have a minute drop her a line - I know she would love to hear from you. HELEN SITES 1223 WELLINGTON ROLLA, MO 65401 Thanks - Terri Terri Montigny MultiFund of Columbus, Inc 2999 E. Dublin Granville Road Columbus, OH  43231 614-895-4860 phone x 116 614-895-4870 fax tmontigny@earthlink.net   Focus and Direction creates time. Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:01:16 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: DJGud3326@aol.com Subject: Gudgel family It will be great to meet with you in September and I hope you will contact me. let me know where and when you will be visiting and we can get together. In the meantime you can find about the Gudgels by subscribing to the gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com. put subscribe in the subject line. There are 50 or 60 gudgels there to contact. And also going to the archives at http://gudgel.org/ You will find lots of information there even some you might not want to know. Doyal Gudgel DJGud3326@aol.com wrote: > I will be in > Seattle Washington Sept 18 05 andwould like to talk to some one about > Gudgel Clan I am Donald Gudgel in Muncie Indiana an my Grandfather wa > Asbury Gudgel and Grandmother was Minnie Spall Gudgel and I have not > been able to find my grandfathers Fathers name or any information > about his side of the famiy. Donald Gudgel 704 Chinquapin Muncie > Indiana 47304 > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:02:01 -0400 Calvin Gudgel (1844-1930)=20 Pension Records Information from Doyal Gudgel: Co. H, 148 Regt. Illinis Infantry b. January 10, 1844; d. February 17, 1930 Calvin enlisted February 3, 1865 and was mustered out with the company = September 5,, 1865, Mannsville. Whil;e Oklahoma was still Indian Territory Calvin made out his first = application for invalid pension on February 8, 1896 in Pickens County. = He was 52 years years old at the time. He said the Commander of his = company was Capt. Ben McCoy. He was discharged at Springfield, = Illinois. Statistics were 6'1". dark complexion, hair streaked with = grey, grey eyes. He was suffering from Cachixia. His disability first = began in Sheridan Co., MO 1870. A Dr. Doil of Kinderhook, IL examined = him in 1870 and said at the time Calvin would never be a well man. Another form was filled out March 20, 1900. This time he was living in = Earl, Indian Territory. HIs wife's name was Mary Bell (maiden name was = Bell). He was married in Hannibal, MO but he had forgotten the = ministers name. His children were: Harry Gudgel- b. May 10, 1875 Ed Gudgell-b. October 2, 1877 Ott0 Gudgel-b. December 8, 1882 Miney Gudgell-b. July 26, 1885 Annie Gudgel-b. February 13, 1880 Cala Gudgell-b. November 11, 1887 Louis Gudgell-b. January 31, 1890 Larance Gudgel-b. March 10, 1892 He signed with only one "L" on the end of his name though he spelled the = children's name with two "LL"s. The above application was filled out = March 31, 1900. Another declaration for pension was filled out May 4, 1907. He then = stated he was living in Pottsboro, Texas in Grayson County. He said his = hair was black. A D.R. Harris and Wallace Harris signed with him. He = was born in Carthage, Illinois. After leaving the army he lived in = Brown Co. and Pike Co., Illinois and Mannville Indian Territory. Another time he filled out an application this time May 25, 1912. This = time he was 68 and living in Gordonsville, Texas in Grayson County. = Witnesses were B.N. Greanup and E.A. Wright. April 8, 1915 he filled out another application. This time he was = living in Pottsboro, Texas. He lived at Mound Station, Illinois at the = time of enlistment. His wife was still living with him. Some names of = the children, not all however, he put on the form was May, who died at = 40 years of age, Lawrence who was 23 at the time, he then added "no = minor children". Pension Bureau checked the census and came up with = this list: Census of November 17, 1850 Andrew Gudgel (Calvin's father), 41 Elizabeth (Calvin's mother), 28 Lavina C. Miller, 8 Theron A. Miller, 1 Francis M. Gudgel, 17 Rebecca I. Gudgel, 15 John W. Gudgel, 13 Allen Gudgel, 11 Eveline Gudgel, 7 Calvin Gudgel, 7 The first of March, 1930, his widow made out an application for a = Widow's pension, living in Grayson Co., Texas. She only added to = previous information that she was married December 26, 1874. Witnesses = were W.P. Hardwick and Ray Gibson. She signed with a mark. Mary did = not live much longer than her husband and died July 6, 1931 and was = dropped from the rolls. Calvin was a farmer. His death certificate was signed by Goins Gudgel = of Gracemount, Texas. (Atlas indicates Gracemount is at Ft. Lawton or = Lawton, Texas. Certificate says he is buried at Georgetown Cemetery in = Grayson County. Undertaker was Shush and Murry of Dennison, Texas. 1900 Census, Indian Territory Chickasaw Twp, Chickasaw Nation, Pg. 142 Twp. 4, S. Range 4 East; Pg 142; Line 5, 282/282. Gudgel, Calvin, Head, male, white, Jan. 1844, 56, marr. 1/ 27 yrs., = Farmer, b. IL, fa. b. KY, mo. b. KY Mary, wife, female, white, Feb. 1854, 46, marr. 1, 27 yrs., 8 children/8 = living, b. IL, fa. b. MO, mo. b. MO Annie, Dau., female, white, Feb. 1880, 20, single, b. TX, fa. b. IL, mo. = b. IL Otis, Son, male, white, Dec. 1881, 18, single, b. TX, fa. b. IL, mo. b. = IL Minnie, Dau., female, white, July, 1885; 14, single, b. TX, fa. b. IL, = mo. b. IL (Kelly?), Dau., female, white, Nov. 1887, 12, single, b. TX, fa. b. IL, = mo. b. IL Louis, Son, male, white, Jan. 1890, 10, Single, b. IL, fa. b. IL, mo. b. = IL Lawrence, Son., male, white, Mar. 1892, 8, single, b. Indian Terr., fa. = b. Il, mo. b. IL 1910 Census, Grayson Co., Texas Line/97; 282/282; Pg. 298; May 3, 1910; 8-J Precinct Gudgel, Calvin, Head, male, white, 66, marr. 1/37 yrs., b. IL, fa. b. = OH, mo. b. OH, Farming Mary, wife, female, white 56, marr. 1/37 yrs., 8 children/7 living Lawrence, Son, male, white, 18, single, b. OK, fa. b. IL, mo. b. IL, = Laborer Lee, (Maurie?) Boarder, female, white, 14, single, b. OK, fa. b. US, mo. = b. US Notes from Linda: Just for clarification-Calvin was the son of ANdrew Gudgel and his first = of 3 wives, Margaret Minakie Bell, having married December 26, 1872 in = Hannibal, Missouri. I beleive I have heard Margaret was of some Indian = descent.\ I have only found Calvin in the 1900 and 1910 Census records. Does = anyone else have other years? Can anyone else give me the proper names = and dates of birth for all of Calvin's children? I have conflicting = information and would like to get it right. Thanks, Linda From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Marriage of Amanda Gudgel and Wood Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:51:25 -0400 Hi all,=20 I have a subscription to Ancestry.com and ran across this interesting = tidbit. Did Amanda Gudgel marry Woodford Crossfield in Mississippi ? Mia Fleegel Mississippi Marriages, 1776-1935 Name: Woodford Cropfield=20 Spouse: Amanda Gudgel=20 Marriage Date: 15 Oct 1840 County: Coahoma From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Henry T. Gudgel Pension Record Information Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:43:18 -0400 Pension Records Information for Henry T. Gudgell from Doyal Gudgel: HENRY T. GUDGELL (1826-1861), son of William Gudgel and Lucinda Thurman. Rank: Private Unit: Company F, 28th Infantry Age: 35 Hgt.: 6' 0", Hair: Brown, Eyes: Blue, Complexion: Fair Marital Status: Single Occupation: Farmer Nativity: Gibson Co., Indiana Joined for Service or Enrolled: August 2, 1861 Term: 3 years Where: Petersburg, Illinois By Whom: Captain Estill Mustered Into Service: August 19, 1861 Where: Camp Butler By Whom: Captain Pitcher Residence: Athens, Menard County, Illinois Remarks: Died November 17, 1861 at Mound City, Illinois of disease. There were at least 33 Gudgel's that fought for the Union in the Civil = War. There were at least 6 that fought for the South. Nine were from = Indiana. Three were from Iowa and two from Missouri. Henry T. Gudgel's widow was the 715th widow to receive a U.S. Pension = resulting from his death from Typhoid Fever in Mound City, Illinois. = The pension was $2.00 for each child she had under 16 years of age, of = which she had four. The pension for the children was in addition to the = $8.00 per month she was receiving as a widow's pension. Henry contacted Typhoid Fever while in Fort (Hold?) across the river = from Cairo, Illinois. He enlisted by claiming he was single. He was 6 = feet tall, brown hair, blue eyes and of fair complexion. Not long after his enlistment into the 28th Infantry Reg.t of Illinois = Volunteers several of his brothers in Indiana were enlisting. About a = week before his death, no doubt unknown to them, they were mustered into = their regiment, the 58th Indiana Volunteers. HIs brothers, Jacob-28, = Andrew-36, and Edward-26, were mustered into the Indiana Volunteers on = November 12th. Henry died November the 17th. Another brother, Abraham, = enlisted at 18 years of age about a year later in September, 1862. Gudgel's mustered out uninjured: William H., Jacob, Edward, Alexander, Benjamin, Calvin, John D., Spencer = H., John M., Joseph, Marion, Richard J., Stephen, William D. and Robert = E. Gudgel's wounded: Thomas, John and Andrew. Gudgel's who died: Henry T. and John W. Gudgel's captured: Shelby There were fewer Gudgel's that fought for the South and all that were = located were from Kentucky. Several of them fought with Morgan's = Raiders and went with him into Ohio on his raid there. As a result, = they were captured and spent much time in Northern prison camps. One = was killed in an attack at Green River before getting over the Ohio = River. The Gudgel's captured with Morgan participated in the exciting attempt = of the President of the Confederacy to escape. Under the command of = Basil Duke, they provided the escort for him in his flight through = Georgia and surrendered a considerable time after the April 12th date = for cessation of hostilities at Washington, GA. Thomas Jefferson Gudgel, the son of Henry T. went to live with his = grandfather, William, in Indiana some time after his father's death. On = November 9, almost two years after his father's death, he enlisted in = the 10th Indiana Cavalry. Most of his service was spent in Tennessee = and northern Alabama. Much of the time he was in the hospital from = sicknesses of one sort or another. Following the War, Thomas married = Sarah Jones, his childhood sweetheart it is said, and the marriage = certificate stated in Fredricktown, Missouri. *************************************************************************= *************************************************************** Additional Notes from Linda: Henry T. Gudgel b. 1826 Gibson Co., IN, d. November 17, 1861 Mound City, = IL. Buried Old West Cemetery, Menard Co., IL (I beleive Doyal told me = there was no stone there but he thinks this was his burial site. He may = want to elaborate on this). Henry T. married February 19, 1846 in = Evansville, Indiana to Sarah Ann Johnson. Sarah was b. 1829 in Gibson = Co., IN and d. 1899. I also have her burial site as Old West Cemetery, = Menard Co., IL. If I am wrong on this someone please correct me. =20 Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Marriage of Amanda Gudgel and Wood Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:47:27 -0400 Hi Mia- Not sure where this info. on Ancestry.com came from but it is surely = wrong. Woodford Crossfield and Amanda Gudgel married in Anderson Co., = KY October 20, 1840. Must be an error. So tell us about son, John, and his trip home. Is he still home? Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mia K. Fleegel=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Marriage of Amanda Gudgel and Wood Hi all,=20 I have a subscription to Ancestry.com and ran across this interesting = tidbit. Did Amanda Gudgel marry Woodford Crossfield in Mississippi ? Mia Fleegel Mississippi Marriages, 1776-1935 Name: Woodford Cropfield=20 Spouse: Amanda Gudgel=20 Marriage Date: 15 Oct 1840 County: Coahoma Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:05:13 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Henry T. Gudgel Pension Record Information Regarding the location of the grave of Henry T Gudgel it is not known where his body lies. I and several others spent considerable time trying to find the actual grave of Henry but because of the huge number dying from typhoid and other diseases due to the poor location of Fort Holt on the boggy location at the confluence of the Ohio and MIssissippi at Cairo Ill there was no record of the grave. We know for sure he died at Mound City and right outside the town is a Military Cemetery. But there is no record of his grave there. It is my guess it is in a mass grave somewhere although there is nothing said that I can find about mass graves of soldiers dying of disease. I went to Mound City once to locate the hospital and did so but it had been torn down some years before and the bricks used for other purposes. I wanted a brick for a souvenir. Finally a Civil War Reenactment Regiment Henry's old 28th who had also tried to find him made arrangements with the Department of Defense to have a grave stone placed near his wife Sarah. You can see a picture of a part of the regiment at the cemetery at the time of the ceremony here http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/bobsweb_html/harry.jpg A more complete story of Henry is at http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/bobsweb_html/henryt.html http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/bobsweb_html/walterharris.html click on this link to get t he story of the 28th Ill Vol. Reg. You can see a picture of Sarah Ann Johnson Gudgel Here. http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/bobsweb_html/wmalexander.jpg Doyal Gudgel Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Pension Records Information for Henry T. Gudgell from Doyal Gudgel: > HENRY T. GUDGELL (1826-1861), son of William Gudgel and Lucinda Thurman. > Rank: Private > Unit: Company F, 28th Infantry > Age: 35 Hgt.: 6' 0", Hair: Brown, Eyes: Blue, Complexion: Fair > Marital Status: Single Occupation: Farmer > Nativity: Gibson Co., Indiana > Joined for Service or Enrolled: August 2, 1861 Term: 3 years > Where: Petersburg, Illinois By Whom: Captain Estill > Mustered Into Service: August 19, 1861 > Where: Camp Butler By Whom: Captain Pitcher > Residence: Athens, Menard County, Illinois > Remarks: Died November 17, 1861 at Mound City, Illinois of disease. > > There were at least 33 Gudgel's that fought for the Union in the Civil > War. There were at least 6 that fought for the South. Nine were from > Indiana. Three were from Iowa and two from Missouri. > > Henry T. Gudgel's widow was the 715th widow to receive a U.S. Pension > resulting from his death from Typhoid Fever in Mound City, Illinois. > The pension was $2.00 for each child she had under 16 years of age, of > which she had four. The pension for the children was in addition to > the $8.00 per month she was receiving as a widow's pension. > > Henry contacted Typhoid Fever while in Fort (Hold?) across the river > from Cairo, Illinois. He enlisted by claiming he was single. He was > 6 feet tall, brown hair, blue eyes and of fair complexion. > > Not long after his enlistment into the 28th Infantry Reg.t of Illinois > Volunteers several of his brothers in Indiana were enlisting. About a > week before his death, no doubt unknown to them, they were mustered > into their regiment, the 58th Indiana Volunteers. HIs brothers, > Jacob-28, Andrew-36, and Edward-26, were mustered into the Indiana > Volunteers on November 12th. Henry died November the 17th. Another > brother, Abraham, enlisted at 18 years of age about a year later in > September, 1862. > > Gudgel's mustered out uninjured: > William H., Jacob, Edward, Alexander, Benjamin, Calvin, John D., > Spencer H., John M., Joseph, Marion, Richard J., Stephen, William D. > and Robert E. > > Gudgel's wounded: > Thomas, John and Andrew. > > Gudgel's who died: > Henry T. and John W. > > Gudgel's captured: > Shelby > > There were fewer Gudgel's that fought for the South and all that were > located were from Kentucky. Several of them fought with Morgan's > Raiders and went with him into Ohio on his raid there. As a result, > they were captured and spent much time in Northern prison camps. One > was killed in an attack at Green River before getting over the Ohio River. > > The Gudgel's captured with Morgan participated in the exciting attempt > of the President of the Confederacy to escape. Under the command of > Basil Duke, they provided the escort for him in his flight through > Georgia and surrendered a considerable time after the April 12th date > for cessation of hostilities at Washington, GA. > > Thomas Jefferson Gudgel, the son of Henry T. went to live with his > grandfather, William, in Indiana some time after his father's death. > On November 9, almost two years after his father's death, he enlisted > in the 10th Indiana Cavalry. Most of his service was spent in > Tennessee and northern Alabama. Much of the time he was in the > hospital from sicknesses of one sort or another. Following the War, > Thomas married Sarah Jones, his childhood sweetheart it is said, and > the marriage certificate stated in Fredricktown, Missouri. > > **************************************************************************************************************************************** > Additional Notes from Linda: > Henry T. Gudgel b. 1826 Gibson Co., IN, d. November 17, 1861 Mound > City, IL. Buried Old West Cemetery, Menard Co., IL (I beleive Doyal > told me there was no stone there but he thinks this was his burial > site. He may want to elaborate on this). Henry T. married February > 19, 1846 in Evansville, Indiana to Sarah Ann Johnson. Sarah was b. > 1829 in Gibson Co., IN and d. 1899. I also have her burial site as > Old West Cemetery, Menard Co., IL. If I am wrong on this someone > please correct me. > Thanks, Linda > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John Gudgel (1824-1876), Bro. of Stephen-Pension File Information Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:03:54 -0400 Pension File Information from Doyal Gudgel. Captain John Gudgel Born 1824; Died July 29, 1876 Co. B., 112th Infantry Illinois Volunteers (Brother of Stephen Gudgel). Married Margaret Gillis August 3, 1843 in Clinton Co., Ohio, a copy = being in the city of Wilmington which is the county seat of Clinton Co. = The records do not give the city in which they were married. They were = married by William Baldwin, a Justice of the Peace. The information was = obtained from an affidavit produced in 1881 by Probate Judge John = Mathews in response to a request for a copy for pension reasons. They had one child, a girl, born blind in 1853. John Gudgel enrolled in the 112th Infantry August 12, 1862 at Bradford, = not far from his home in Tiskilwa. He was 38 when he enrolled and was = mustered in at Peoria, Illinois on September 20th. On March 24, 1884 the Adjutant General's office made a resume of John's = military record in response to a request for a pension by his widow, = Margaret. After his mustering in he remained on the rolls of the regiment through = all it's campaigning until Jan. and Feb/ 1864 at which time he was on = sick leave. The surgeons certificate on which authority he was granted 30 days sick = leave said he was suffering from Rheumatism and as a result could not = perform his duties. The doctor further stated the Capt. had been under = his care for 2 months previously. The doctor also said that if he = didn't get leave he stood the chance of suffering permanent damage as a = result. The statement was made at Lamar House Hospital. John Gudgel was back on the rolls in March and stayed there until August = 6th where in the Battle of Utoy Creek he was shot and wounded in the = lower left arm. The would damaged the muscles in his arm which made it = impossible for him to used his fingers. After considerable time in = hospitals an Army "report Board" found that he would probably ever = recover sufficiently to return to active duty. They recommended that he = be discharged and this was done March 20, 1965. When John was first wounded August 6th he was treated at the field = hospital for the Army of the Ohio. On August 12th he was sent to a = General Hospital in Knoxville, Tennessee. The hospital in which he was = first treated on August 6th was the 3rd Division 23rd Army Corp. First = report stated he was transferred to the General Hospital on the 10th of = August. The next hospital report stated he was sent to the General = Hospital on August 12th at Knoxville, Tennessee. It is assumed he = arrived there at that time or first report was made at that time. = Records said it was Hospital number 1739. The day before the 12th he = was admitted to Officers Branch of the GF Hospital of the Army of the = Ohio, Marietta, Georgia, Reg. 765 Then on the 12th he was sent to = General Hospital in Knoxville and arrived and admitted August 15th. He = remained at this hospital until September 7th at which time he was = furloughed. December 22, 1864 he returned to Nashville and was admitted = to General Hospital #17 for officers. One January 20 he was returned to = duty. Four days after arriving back, the Army placed him for treatment = in a private house at 146 Summer St., owned by Widow Boyers. A note = also stated the P.O. address was Louisville Hotel, Louisville, KY. So = it is assumed he was placed in the private house even though still under = the jurisdiction of the hospital in Nashville. The Widow Boyers = notation and the notation of the Louisville address was on the same page = of record. Records next show he arrived in Division No. 1, U.S.A. General Hospital = Officers Branch at Annapolis, Maryland from leave of absence. It was = while here that the Report Board had the hearing which resulted in his = discharge because of disability. His first application for pension was made on March 31, 1865 a few days = after his discharge. He had returned to Tiskilwa, Illinois. This = report said he enlisted as a private. Early organizations of the = volunteer outfits sometimes held elections to select their officers so = if this is accurate, and he did not sign the form, means he obtained his = commission of Lt. by this means. The form also required a street and = house number if in a city so the address means he lived in the country, = probably as a farmer. The Adjutant General's office recognized the = request and gave him a pension numbered 64,850. The next form in the file of John Gudgel was a pension application of = his widow, Margaret. In the years following his application in Illinois = in 1865 he had moved to Red Wing, Minnesota. No details at all are in = the records available. Whether he went directly there or whether he had = lived in other places as not known. But he died in Red Wing, Minnesota = July 29, 1876 from the effects of his military service as so many did = before and after him. He was only 53 when he died. His daughter, Grace = Gudgel, was 23 years old by now. As the application stated, the girl was the only one of the family = besides the wife who was dependent upon him, means he must have had = other children but nowhere in the records are their names and ages = given. As the government didn't allow any money for dependent children = after the age of 16 means there must have been more than 3 other = children besides the blind daughter, Grace. The application for pension = was made in Tiskilwa so she had moved back to Illinois. The application = was dated November 9, 1881. In the applications both Margaret and John = could write. One February 16, 1896 Margaret died. After her mother died it then became necessary for the blind daughter, = Grace, to make application for pension as a helpless child of John. Now = she was 39 years old on the 6th of June, 1898 when she made the = application and still living in Tiskilwa, Illinois. There may be some = reason connected with his other children that the mother and daughter = moved back to Tiskilwa. Melissa Dawson and D.B. Paul witnessed the = application so here is a possibility Melissa could have been a married = daughter of Margaret but nothing in the records say anything about that. As usual, the final record in the file of the Civil War soldier was the = final notice of the pensioner being dropped. So on March 8, 1907 the = history of John Gudgel, Captain in the 112th Infantry Regiment of = Illinois Volunteers came to a conclusion. March 8th was the date of the = signing of the dropped notice. Grace Gudgel died February 3, 1907. She = was 54 years old. *************************************************************************= **************************************************************** Notes from Linda: I would love for someone with more information on this John Gudgel and = Margaret Gillis to share with the list. Were there other children = besides the daughter, Grace? Any other information about this family = would be very helpful? Thanks! From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Just Stuff Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:27:37 -0400 Hi Folks- Just wanted to say thanks to Karla for sending out the obit notices for = Gudgel/Gudgell's from Ancestry.com. I don't subscribe to Anceestry.com = so I am always glad to have some of their information. Thanks, Karla! I hope some of you are able to gain a bit more information on the = GUDGEL/GUDGELL's who served in the Civil War from the Pension Record = Information that was compiled by Doyal Gudgel a number of years ago. = We owe Doyal an enormous amount of gratitude for all the work he did in = collecting and documenting this data. Thanks Doyal! Has anyone heard from Helen Gudgel Sites in Rolla, Missouri? I sent her = a card but have heard nothing else. So Helen, if you are back home from = the hospital and reading this...."We wish you the best for a speedy = recovery". She's an amazing lady. Hope I can get around as good as = Helen when I get her age!! Mia- Keep us posted about son, John, who is home on leave. And thanks = for sharing a little about his tour in Iraq with me. I am sure we can't = begin to imagine what he has been through. Has anyone heard from Pat and Marion Agnew or Ardath and John Potts? We would love to hear from any of you guys on this list. Linda=20 from Kentucky 100 degree days are have finally cooled off a bit and we are getting a = little rain off and on...but a bit too late. Apples have fallen off the = trees from the drought. Blackberries just dried up. Won't be any jelly this year :( Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:05:48 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: John Gudgel (1824-1876), Bro. of Stephen-Pension File Information Thank you linda for typing up all this stuff I sent you., I was thinking it might have been lost. But you are doing a magnificent job of re-writing the stuff I sent. Thanks. Doyal Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Pension File Information from Doyal Gudgel. > > Captain John Gudgel > Born 1824; Died July 29, 1876 > Co. B., 112th Infantry Illinois Volunteers > (Brother of Stephen Gudgel). > > Married Margaret Gillis August 3, 1843 in Clinton Co., Ohio, a copy > being in the city of Wilmington which is the county seat of Clinton > Co. The records do not give the city in which they were married. > They were married by William Baldwin, a Justice of the Peace. The > information was obtained from an affidavit produced in 1881 by Probate > Judge John Mathews in response to a request for a copy for pension > reasons. > > They had one child, a girl, born blind in 1853. > > John Gudgel enrolled in the 112th Infantry August 12, 1862 at > Bradford, not far from his home in Tiskilwa. He was 38 when he > enrolled and was mustered in at Peoria, Illinois on September 20th. > > On March 24, 1884 the Adjutant General's office made a resume of > John's military record in response to a request for a pension by his > widow, Margaret. > > After his mustering in he remained on the rolls of the regiment > through all it's campaigning until Jan. and Feb/ 1864 at which time he > was on sick leave. > > The surgeons certificate on which authority he was granted 30 days > sick leave said he was suffering from Rheumatism and as a result could > not perform his duties. The doctor further stated the Capt. had been > under his care for 2 months previously. The doctor also said that if > he didn't get leave he stood the chance of suffering permanent damage > as a result. The statement was made at Lamar House Hospital. > > John Gudgel was back on the rolls in March and stayed there until > August 6th where in the Battle of Utoy Creek he was shot and wounded > in the lower left arm. The would damaged the muscles in his arm which > made it impossible for him to used his fingers. After considerable > time in hospitals an Army "report Board" found that he would probably > ever recover sufficiently to return to active duty. They recommended > that he be discharged and this was done March 20, 1965. > > When John was first wounded August 6th he was treated at the field > hospital for the Army of the Ohio. On August 12th he was sent to a > General Hospital in Knoxville, Tennessee. The hospital in which he > was first treated on August 6th was the 3rd Division 23rd Army Corp. > First report stated he was transferred to the General Hospital on the > 10th of August. The next hospital report stated he was sent to the > General Hospital on August 12th at Knoxville, Tennessee. It is > assumed he arrived there at that time or first report was made at that > time. Records said it was Hospital number 1739. The day before the > 12th he was admitted to Officers Branch of the GF Hospital of the Army > of the Ohio, Marietta, Georgia, Reg. 765 Then on the 12th he was sent > to General Hospital in Knoxville and arrived and admitted August > 15th. He remained at this hospital until September 7th at which time > he was furloughed. December 22, 1864 he returned to Nashville and was > admitted to General Hospital #17 for officers. One January 20 he was > returned to duty. Four days after arriving back, the Army placed him > for treatment in a private house at 146 Summer St., owned by Widow > Boyers. A note also stated the P.O. address was Louisville Hotel, > Louisville, KY. So it is assumed he was placed in the private house > even though still under the jurisdiction of the hospital in > Nashville. The Widow Boyers notation and the notation of the > Louisville address was on the same page of record. > > Records next show he arrived in Division No. 1, U.S.A. General > Hospital Officers Branch at Annapolis, Maryland from leave of > absence. It was while here that the Report Board had the hearing > which resulted in his discharge because of disability. > > His first application for pension was made on March 31, 1865 a few > days after his discharge. He had returned to Tiskilwa, Illinois. > This report said he enlisted as a private. Early organizations of the > volunteer outfits sometimes held elections to select their officers so > if this is accurate, and he did not sign the form, means he obtained > his commission of Lt. by this means. The form also required a street > and house number if in a city so the address means he lived in the > country, probably as a farmer. The Adjutant General's office > recognized the request and gave him a pension numbered 64,850. > > The next form in the file of John Gudgel was a pension application of > his widow, Margaret. In the years following his application in > Illinois in 1865 he had moved to Red Wing, Minnesota. No details at > all are in the records available. Whether he went directly there or > whether he had lived in other places as not known. But he died in Red > Wing, Minnesota July 29, 1876 from the effects of his military service > as so many did before and after him. He was only 53 when he died. > His daughter, Grace Gudgel, was 23 years old by now. > > As the application stated, the girl was the only one of the family > besides the wife who was dependent upon him, means he must have had > other children but nowhere in the records are their names and ages > given. As the government didn't allow any money for dependent > children after the age of 16 means there must have been more than 3 > other children besides the blind daughter, Grace. The application for > pension was made in Tiskilwa so she had moved back to Illinois. The > application was dated November 9, 1881. In the applications both > Margaret and John could write. > > One February 16, 1896 Margaret died. > > After her mother died it then became necessary for the blind daughter, > Grace, to make application for pension as a helpless child of John. > Now she was 39 years old on the 6th of June, 1898 when she made the > application and still living in Tiskilwa, Illinois. There may be some > reason connected with his other children that the mother and daughter > moved back to Tiskilwa. Melissa Dawson and D.B. Paul witnessed the > application so here is a possibility Melissa could have been a married > daughter of Margaret but nothing in the records say anything about that. > > As usual, the final record in the file of the Civil War soldier was > the final notice of the pensioner being dropped. So on March 8, 1907 > the history of John Gudgel, Captain in the 112th Infantry Regiment of > Illinois Volunteers came to a conclusion. March 8th was the date of > the signing of the dropped notice. Grace Gudgel died February 3, > 1907. She was 54 years old. > > ***************************************************************************************************************************************** > > Notes from Linda: > I would love for someone with more information on this John Gudgel and > Margaret Gillis to share with the list. Were there other children > besides the daughter, Grace? Any other information about this family > would be very helpful? > Thanks! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/2005 > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John D. Gudgell (1832 or 1833 - 1888) Pension File Records Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:32:30 -0400 Pension File Information from Doyal Gudgel: John D. Gudgell (son of John Franklin Gudgel and Cynthia Ann Brown) b. 1833 or 32, d. March 26, 1888 John D. Gudgell of Jefferson, City of Fairfield, Iowa, enrolled = September 4, 1861 in Company F., 3rd Regt., Iowa Cavalry Volunteers. = Commanded by A.M. Robinson. Was discharged September 19, 1864 at = Keokuk, Iowa. Near Bloomfield, MO about the 8th of July, 1863 he got = sick with malaria with serious consequences which kept him in the = hospital at Jefferson Barracks from October, 1863 until February, 1864. = Information from the Adjutant General's Report of April 5, 1886, stated = he was treated at Bloomfield, MO in July, 1863; Helena, Arkansas August = and September, 1863, and Jefferson Barracks from October, 1863 until = February, 1864. After discharge he resided in Jefferson Co., Iowa until = the application was made out in 1886. He was a carpenter. All this = apparently at Fairfield. Joseph Gudgel witnessed the application and = also R.A. Van Doren. Jospeh was a resident of Fairfield also. Military records from the Adjutant General's Report of 4/5/1886 stated = he was on the rolls from October 31, 1861. November and December, 1861 absent-sick at Jefferson City. January and February, 1862- present March and April, 1862-Present May and June, 1862-absent at Fairfield, Iowa- Surgeons certificate = (disability). July and August, 1862-Detached service-St. Louis. September and October, 1862- Present November 1862 to February, 1863-Present March and April 1863- Absent-no remarks as to why. May and June, 1863-Present July and August, 1863-Absent-sick at General Hosp., Helena, Arkansas. September, 1863 to April, 1864- Sick May and June, 1864-Absent with detachment. Said Regt. at Little Rock. Not on rolls with detachment at Little Rock for May and June, 1864 July and August, 1864-Present Mustered out with detachment at Keokuk, Iowa-September, 1864. John and Lucinda Sophia Haywood were married June 10, 1866 in Jefferson = Co. by Thomas Morgan, a county Judge. Probably at the county seat. A Cynthia A. Gudgell attested to facts in an application on April 25, = 1888 at which time she was 82 years olf. She was a resident of = Fairfiled. She said she knew the widow of John D. Gudgell. She said = Spencer Gudgell was born June 13, 1872 and that John died March 26, = 1888. Another affidavit was made out and signed by Calvin Snook at the same = time as above. Snook was the family physician. He said Fred Gudgell = was born June 22, 1878 and Jennie Gudgel was born May 11, 1880. Lucinda made out her application and on April 4, 1888 she was 50 years = old. She said her marriage to John was at Fairfield. Also appearing was a B.F. Gudgell and Maria Gudgell, both of Fairfield. Only July 10, 1896 a Llewellyn Gudgell, aged 29, stated that he was = guardian of Jennie Gudgell. He stated that Lucinda died June 29, 1896. = Death Certificate stated she died of consumption. The place of her = birth was Knox Co., Ohio. She was sick with disease for 18 months and = was buried in Evergreen Cemetery June 29, 1896. Date of death was June = 27 and she was 58 years old and a resident of the state for 49 years, = which meant she went to Iowa about 1847. Llewellyn's signature was = witnessed by a Jasper Wright and George Waltz, both of Fairfield. An earlier statement by Lucinda said John was kept in the house for 18 = months before he died. Maria Gudgell and J.P. Carpenter witnessed the = affidavit. Misc. Notes: Battles- Present in Company at Pea Ridge, Arkansas-March = 6,7, & 8, 1862 Present on Company at Spring River, = Arkansas, April 18, 1862 Engagement-Oxford, Mississippi, = Forrest's Cavalry. *************************************************************************= ******************************************************************* Notes from Linda: Served in the 3rd Iowa Cavalry-Data Files: GUDGELL, John D. Age 28, Residence-Fairfield, Iowa, Nativity-Kentucky. = Enlisted August 26, 1861. Mustered August 30, 1861. Promoted Eighth = Corporal January 15, 1862; Fifth Corporal October 3, 1862; Fourth = Corporal November 1, 1862; Third Corporal March 20, 1863, Second = Corporal May 15, 1863. Mustered out September 19, 1864, expiration of = term of service. John served with Co. F, 3rd Iowa Cavalry. A witness on some of his = pension papers was Cynthia A. GUDGELL, who was 82 on July 4, 1888. = Another signature was B.F. GUDGELL and Maria GUDGELL (Son, Benjamin = Franklin GUDGELL and his wife, Mariah FARRINGTON). These people lived = around Keokuk, Iowa (maybe Fairfield?), but filed in Keokuk. When he = applied for a pension application in 1886, it was witnessed by Jospeh = GUDGELL. 1860 Census, Livingston Co., MO Austinville P.O., Monroe Twp., pg. 942, Taken July 18, 1860, Family 856. GUDGEL, John, 26, male, farmer, b. KY Gudgel, Benj. F., 24, male, Farmer, b. KY Gudgel, Richard, 17, male, Farmer, b. KY Gudgel, Love, 15, female, b. MO Gudgel, Robert B., 13, male, b. MO 1880 Federal Census, Fairfiled, Jeffeson Co., Iowa. pg. 386B: J.D. GUDGELL, self, male, white, married, age 47, b. KY, fa. b. KY, mo. = b. KY, occ.: Carpenter Sophia GUDGELL, wife, female, married, white, age 41, b. OH, fa. b. VA, = mo. b. VA. Llewellyn GUDGELL, son, single, white, age 13, b. IA Lycargus GUDGELL, son, male, single, white, age 11, b. IA Spence GUDGELL, son, male, white, age 8, b. IA Fred GUDGELL, son, male, white, age 2, b. IA (Jennie) GUDGELL, dau., female, white, 1 mo., b. IA John was born in Anderson Co., KY. Children of John and Sophia were: Llewellyn- b. abt. 1867, Iowa (male) Lycargus-b. abt. 1869, Iowa (male) Spencer-b. June 13, 1872, Iowa (male). Fred-b. June 22, 1878, Iowa (male) Jennie- b. May 11, 1880 Fairfield, Jefferson Co., Iowa (female). The B.F. Gudgell and Maria Gudgell noted in the pension file information = were Benjamin Franklin Gudgell (John D.'s brother) and his wife, Mariah = Farrington Gudgell. Cynthia A. Gudgell , who attested the application = of 4/25/1888, was John's mother. Does anyone know if John was also buried in Evergreen Cemetery in = Fairfield, Jefferson Co., Iowa along with his wife, Lucinda Sophia = Haywood Gudgell? Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: John Gudgel (1824-1876), Bro. of Stephen-Pension File Information Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:41:18 -0400 This was previously sent but I made a typo in the 7th paragraph. John = Gudgel was discharged from service March 20, 1865--not 1965. Thanks to Joan Wallis for pointing this out. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 12:03 AM Subject: John Gudgel (1824-1876), Bro. of Stephen-Pension File = Information Pension File Information from Doyal Gudgel. Captain John Gudgel Born 1824; Died July 29, 1876 Co. B., 112th Infantry Illinois Volunteers (Brother of Stephen Gudgel). Married Margaret Gillis August 3, 1843 in Clinton Co., Ohio, a copy = being in the city of Wilmington which is the county seat of Clinton Co. = The records do not give the city in which they were married. They were = married by William Baldwin, a Justice of the Peace. The information was = obtained from an affidavit produced in 1881 by Probate Judge John = Mathews in response to a request for a copy for pension reasons. They had one child, a girl, born blind in 1853. John Gudgel enrolled in the 112th Infantry August 12, 1862 at Bradford, = not far from his home in Tiskilwa. He was 38 when he enrolled and was = mustered in at Peoria, Illinois on September 20th. On March 24, 1884 the Adjutant General's office made a resume of John's = military record in response to a request for a pension by his widow, = Margaret. After his mustering in he remained on the rolls of the regiment through = all it's campaigning until Jan. and Feb/ 1864 at which time he was on = sick leave. The surgeons certificate on which authority he was granted 30 days sick = leave said he was suffering from Rheumatism and as a result could not = perform his duties. The doctor further stated the Capt. had been under = his care for 2 months previously. The doctor also said that if he = didn't get leave he stood the chance of suffering permanent damage as a = result. The statement was made at Lamar House Hospital. John Gudgel was back on the rolls in March and stayed there until August = 6th where in the Battle of Utoy Creek he was shot and wounded in the = lower left arm. The would damaged the muscles in his arm which made it = impossible for him to used his fingers. After considerable time in = hospitals an Army "report Board" found that he would probably ever = recover sufficiently to return to active duty. They recommended that he = be discharged and this was done March 20, 1965. When John was first wounded August 6th he was treated at the field = hospital for the Army of the Ohio. On August 12th he was sent to a = General Hospital in Knoxville, Tennessee. The hospital in which he was = first treated on August 6th was the 3rd Division 23rd Army Corp. First = report stated he was transferred to the General Hospital on the 10th of = August. The next hospital report stated he was sent to the General = Hospital on August 12th at Knoxville, Tennessee. It is assumed he = arrived there at that time or first report was made at that time. = Records said it was Hospital number 1739. The day before the 12th he = was admitted to Officers Branch of the GF Hospital of the Army of the = Ohio, Marietta, Georgia, Reg. 765 Then on the 12th he was sent to = General Hospital in Knoxville and arrived and admitted August 15th. He = remained at this hospital until September 7th at which time he was = furloughed. December 22, 1864 he returned to Nashville and was admitted = to General Hospital #17 for officers. One January 20 he was returned to = duty. Four days after arriving back, the Army placed him for treatment = in a private house at 146 Summer St., owned by Widow Boyers. A note = also stated the P.O. address was Louisville Hotel, Louisville, KY. So = it is assumed he was placed in the private house even though still under = the jurisdiction of the hospital in Nashville. The Widow Boyers = notation and the notation of the Louisville address was on the same page = of record. Records next show he arrived in Division No. 1, U.S.A. General Hospital = Officers Branch at Annapolis, Maryland from leave of absence. It was = while here that the Report Board had the hearing which resulted in his = discharge because of disability. His first application for pension was made on March 31, 1865 a few days = after his discharge. He had returned to Tiskilwa, Illinois. This = report said he enlisted as a private. Early organizations of the = volunteer outfits sometimes held elections to select their officers so = if this is accurate, and he did not sign the form, means he obtained his = commission of Lt. by this means. The form also required a street and = house number if in a city so the address means he lived in the country, = probably as a farmer. The Adjutant General's office recognized the = request and gave him a pension numbered 64,850. The next form in the file of John Gudgel was a pension application of = his widow, Margaret. In the years following his application in Illinois = in 1865 he had moved to Red Wing, Minnesota. No details at all are in = the records available. Whether he went directly there or whether he had = lived in other places as not known. But he died in Red Wing, Minnesota = July 29, 1876 from the effects of his military service as so many did = before and after him. He was only 53 when he died. His daughter, Grace = Gudgel, was 23 years old by now. As the application stated, the girl was the only one of the family = besides the wife who was dependent upon him, means he must have had = other children but nowhere in the records are their names and ages = given. As the government didn't allow any money for dependent children = after the age of 16 means there must have been more than 3 other = children besides the blind daughter, Grace. The application for pension = was made in Tiskilwa so she had moved back to Illinois. The application = was dated November 9, 1881. In the applications both Margaret and John = could write. One February 16, 1896 Margaret died. After her mother died it then became necessary for the blind daughter, = Grace, to make application for pension as a helpless child of John. Now = she was 39 years old on the 6th of June, 1898 when she made the = application and still living in Tiskilwa, Illinois. There may be some = reason connected with his other children that the mother and daughter = moved back to Tiskilwa. Melissa Dawson and D.B. Paul witnessed the = application so here is a possibility Melissa could have been a married = daughter of Margaret but nothing in the records say anything about that. As usual, the final record in the file of the Civil War soldier was the = final notice of the pensioner being dropped. So on March 8, 1907 the = history of John Gudgel, Captain in the 112th Infantry Regiment of = Illinois Volunteers came to a conclusion. March 8th was the date of the = signing of the dropped notice. Grace Gudgel died February 3, 1907. She = was 54 years old. *************************************************************************= **************************************************************** Notes from Linda: I would love for someone with more information on this John Gudgel and = Margaret Gillis to share with the list. Were there other children = besides the daughter, Grace? Any other information about this family = would be very helpful? Thanks! From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John M. Gudgel Pension File Information Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 06:34:18 -0400 Pension file information from Doyal Gudgel: JOHN M. GUDGEL John M. Gudgel was born January 29, 1847 in Dayton, Ohio. He had hazel = eyes, red hair, was of fair complexion and 5' 5" tall. Sometime when he = was a child he moved to Milo, Illinois, a little place about 35 miles = north of Peoria, Illinois. He enlisted in Co. K, 148th Infantry = Regiment Illinois Volunteers on February 11, 1865 when he was 18 years = of age. During his army srvice he contacted a fever of some kind that settled in = his legs causing sores. Due to this illness he spent some time in a = hospital at Dechard, Tennessee. His sickness was during June and July, = 1865. On November 3, 1867 he married Wilma Laramare and had be her 6 children: Edwin L.-b. August 11, 1869 Charles L.-b. October 13, 1870 George A.- b. October 13, 1875-Died sometime before March 23, 1915. Benjamin T.-b. August 13, 1884 Harry F.-b. August 13, 1884=20 Mabel-b. November 25, 1885 John Gudgel lived near Milo, Illinois until 1874 at which time he moved = to Farragut, Freemont County, Iowa and lived there until at least 1909 = when a pension application was applied for. A last statement on the record was made out March, 1915 to the Pension = Bureau at which time John was living at Shenandoah, Iowa. Shenandoah and Farragot are both in the southwestern corner of Iowa, a = few miles aboue the Missouri line also near Nebraska. The above information was obtained from military and pension records in = the National Archives, Washington, D.C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------- Notes from Linda- I am absolutely stuck on this one. Can someone tell me who this John M. = Gudgel is and where he fits in this huge family tree of ours? =20 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John S. Gudgel Pension File Information Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:02:00 -0400 Pension File Information from Doyal Gudgel: John S. Gudgel (1846-1913) (son of Abram Gudgel and Anne Elizabeth Burch) John S. Gudgel enrolled on December 29, 1863 at Camp Butler, Illinois in = the 61st Regiment Illinois Volunteers, Co. K for three years. He was = mustered in on 14th January, 1864 as a private. Muster out date was = September 8, 1865 at Nashville, Tennessee. Born 1846- Died October 5, 1913. 5' 6" tall, light complexion, light = hair, blue eyes. He served with the unit until March 10, 1864 at which time he detailed = to unload ammo for the company. A box fell on his foot seriously = injuring it. He was returned to the company after several weeks but was = unable to do normal duty because of the injury. He continued with the = company until September, 1864 at which time he contracted pneumonia and = returned to the hospital at Duvall Bluff, Arkansas. Both stays were = apparently in Duvall Bluff, Arkansas. Accident to foot occurred at = Cairo, Illinois. John Gudgel was married twice. First to Melinda Harrell (Harrolle), who = died August 10, 1908 and the second time to Elizabeth Goss, who deserted = him from which cause he obtained a divorce from her April 17, 1912 in = Richland Co., Illinois, city of Olney. He also lived in Sumner, = Lawrence Co., Illinois. He was married in the brides home at the first marriage February 28, = 1868. Children: (some names difficult to read)- Ira - b. June (16?). 1869 Roselyn-b. September 18, 1871 Tillie-b. ( ? ) 6, 1876 Bert-b. March 18, 1878 Laura-b. October 14, 1881 Earl(a)- b. December 29, 1887 John could not write so had to sign by a mark. At the time of the application which was made October 29, 1913 B.A. = Gudgel was 35 years old which would make him born in 1878. Others witnessing the application were P.T. Pritchard and J.E. Porter. John died in Olney Hospital, Olney, Illinois. He was buried in the = Olney City Cemetery. At the time of his father's death, B.A. lived in = Calhoun, Richland Co., Illinois. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------- (Misc. Notes from Linda) On December 29, 1863, age 17, John joined for service and enrolled for a = term of 3 years at Camp Butler, Illinois by Lt. Col. Ohr. He was = mustered into service by Lt. Hubbs at Camp Butler on January 14, = 1864-61st Infantry, Co. K. He mustered out of service on September 8, = 1865 in Lawrence Co., IL The Illinois Civil War Service report = described John as 5'5" with light brown hair, blue eyes, and a fair = complexion. He was a single farmer at the time of his enlistment. John died a year after his divorce from Elizabeth. He is buried in = Olney City Cemetery, Richland Co., IL. No children by this marriage. Elizabeth deserted him from which cause = he obtained a divorce from her April 17, 1912 in Olney, Richland Co., = IL. >From History of Edwards, Lawrence and Wabash Co., IL, pg. 352: John S. = GUDGEL and Melinda Harrold appeared in Twp. 4, North, Range 13 West, Post Office was Sumner, IL. = He was a Farmer and settled in IL about 1859. At his death he was = survived by Mrs. Mode Stivers, Urbana; Mrs. James Dishon and Ira GUDGEL = of Claremont, Bert GUDGEL of Calhoun, Ella of Rt. 8, Olney; two brothers = James and William. John S. was a Civil War Vet.-Pvt., 61st Infantry = Regt., Co. K. 1900 Soundex and Federal Census-Olney, Richland Co., IL shows they were = married 32 years, 7 children (6 living) and lists 2 at home: Laura B., = female, age 18, born October 1881 in IL; Earl A., male age 12, born Dec. = 1887 in IL. Both Melinda's parents born in Ohio, 2 dau. not listed-one = marr. Mode Stivers and one married James Dishon. Have seen reference to = names of these two as Tillie (b. 1876) and Roslyn (b. September 18, = 1871) ? 1880 Federal Census, Petty Twp., Lawrence Co., Il, page 62B: John S, GUDGEL, self, male, married, white, age 34, b. IN, fa. b. IN, = mo. b. IN, occ.: Farmer Malinda GUDGEL, wife, female, married, white, age 30, b. IL, fa. b. OH, = mo. b. OH, occ.: keeping house Ira A. GUDGEL, son, male, single, white, age 11, b. IL, at school. Rosella GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 9, b. IL, at school. Lillie A. GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 4, b. IL Bertia A. GUDGEL, son, male, single, white, age 2, b. IL From: aap109@webtv.net (Ardath Potts) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:00:53 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: John M. Gudgel Pension File Information Ardath Potts From: aap109@webtv.net (Ardath Potts) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:53:32 -0500 To: lfinnell@infionline.net (Linda Gudgel Finnell) Subject: Re: John M. Gudgel Pension File Information Hi Linda, The 1850 Census for Putnam County, Illinois shows John M. at age 3 and born in Ohio as the son of Stephen Gudgel, age 26, and born in Ind. I believe this Stephen to be the son of Mahlon, son of Daniel. He is also probably the one that is recorded in this pension record. Also , in the 1870 census of Bureau Co., Illinois, for Milo Twp., Boyd's Grove - page 22 165/165 Gudgell, John 23 farm hand - born Delaware (this is probably an error in the census) Mira (?) 22 - born Ohio Edwin (no age given) - born Illinois Vivian can probably supply more information on this family. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John M. Gudgel Pension File Information Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 06:34:18 -0400 JOHN M. GUDGEL John M. Gudgel was born January 29, 1847 in Dayton, Ohio. He had hazel = eyes, red hair, was of fair complexion and 5' 5" tall. Sometime when he = was a child he moved to Milo, Illinois, a little place about 35 miles = north of Peoria, Illinois. He enlisted in Co. K, 148th Infantry = Regiment Illinois Volunteers on February 11, 1865 when he was 18 years = of age. During his army srvice he contacted a fever of some kind that settled in = his legs causing sores. Due to this illness he spent some time in a = hospital at Dechard, Tennessee. His sickness was during June and July, = 1865. On November 3, 1867 he married Wilma Laramare and had be her 6 children: Edwin L.-b. August 11, 1869 Charles L.-b. October 13, 1870 George A.- b. October 13, 1875-Died sometime before March 23, 1915. Benjamin T.-b. August 13, 1884 Harry F.-b. August 13, 1884=20 Mabel-b. November 25, 1885 John Gudgel lived near Milo, Illinois until 1874 at which time he moved = to Farragut, Freemont County, Iowa and lived there until at least 1909 = when a pension application was applied for. A last statement on the record was made out March, 1915 to the Pension = Bureau at which time John was living at Shenandoah, Iowa. Shenandoah and Farragot are both in the southwestern corner of Iowa, a = few miles aboue the Missouri line also near Nebraska. The above information was obtained from military and pension records in = the National Archives, Washington, D.C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------- Notes from Linda- I am absolutely stuck on this one. Can someone tell me who this John M. = Gudgel is and where he fits in this huge family tree of ours? =20 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John M. Gudgel Pension File Information Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:19:08 -0400 Ardath- Thanks for the information on John M. Gudgel. I should have known you would know! Vivian- Can you tell us more about John M.? Thanks and say hi to your John for me. Linda > Hi Linda, The 1850 Census for Putnam County, Illinois shows John M. at > age 3 and born in Ohio as the son of Stephen Gudgel, age 26, and born > in Ind. I believe this Stephen to be the son of Mahlon, son of Daniel. > He is also probably the one that is recorded in this pension record. > > Also , in the 1870 census of Bureau Co., Illinois, for Milo Twp., > Boyd's Grove - page 22 165/165 Gudgell, John 23 farm hand - born > Delaware (this is probably an error in the census) > Mira (?) 22 - born Ohio Edwin (no age given) - born Illinois > > Vivian can probably supply more information on this family. > > Ardath Potts > > Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:43:58 -0700 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: John M. Gudgel Pension File Information To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Hi All, Ardath is correct about the ancestors of this John Milton Gudgell. He was the son of Stephen GUDGEL and Sarah Matthews>Mahlon GUDGEL and Charlotte Snodgrass>Daniel GUDSHALL and Rachel Gause. Helen Gudgel Sites is descended from this John M. Gudgel through Harrison GUDGEL and Alice Jordan. She wrote a piece about John M. GUDGEL in one of the GUDGEL CONNECTIONS. I didn't record the number of the issue when I copied it for my notebook. Children of John Milton Gudgel and Wilhelmina Laramore b. Sept 1849 in Delaware: Edwin L b, 11 Aug 1868 Bradford, Illinois d. 8 July 1959, md, Ida Jarman 29 Mar. 1873 Allen George, b.13 Nov 1876 or 1875 In Iowa, d. 24 June 1913 md Eva Cox Benjamin Franklin b. 13 Aug 1884 Farragut IA.(twin) md, Verna Griffin 19 Dec 1906. Harrison Fremont b. 13 Aug 1884 Farragut IA d. 10 Nov 1962 , md, Alice Jordan 18 Apr 1906 Mable Leona b. 25 Nov. 1889 , d. 14 Sept 1969, md. #Roy Edwards, #2 Jack Arnold Charles Henry b. 3 Oct 1870, d. 3 Jan 1913 md. Cora Helena Johnson 8 Feb 1898 Some of my data came from 1881 History of Fremont County, Iowa. Other data from the various postings of the Gudgel-list. Maybe some of you have better information. Vivian Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:43:14 -0700 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: John Gudgel (1824-1876), Bro. of Stephen-Pension File Information To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Hello All, Linda, you asked about this John Gudgell who married Margaret Gillis and = their children.=20 Most of this information is from the 1870 Arispie, Illinois, P.O. = Tiskilwa, census M593 R.190 Pg 173. John Gudgell age 46, clerk in store, born Indiana Marg, age 44, keeps house, born Ohio ( name is hard to read on the = census) Mahlon b. Feb 185?, (18 years on Tiskilwa, Illinois Census,) , d. 25 Aug = 1924 in Red Wing MN, md. #1 Mary S. ?, #2 May J. Gates Grace b. 29 Oct 185? (16 years on 1870 Tiskilwa Illinois census) (blind) = d. 3 Feb 1907 in Tiskilwa Illinois Melissa b. about 185? (11 years on Tiskilwa census), maybe married a = Dawson Allen b. about 186? (6 years on Tiskilwa Census) Carlotta Gudgell, 74 years, born Kentucky, was living with them on the = 1870 Tiskilwa census. This must be Charlotte Snodgrass Gudgell, Mother = of John. When we took our motorhome trip to Illinois this summer we were able to = visit the cemeteries in Bureau county and get pictures of many of the = tombstones of the family. We have pictures of the tombstones of John = Gudgell and Margaret, his wife, and Charlotte, his mother, and Grace, = his daughter. They are all buried at Mt. Bloom cemetery at Tiskilwa = Illinois. Vivian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: Fw: John Gudgel (1824-1876), Bro. of Stephen-Pension File = Information This was previously sent but I made a typo in the 7th paragraph. John = Gudgel was discharged from service March 20, 1865--not 1965. Thanks to Joan Wallis for pointing this out. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 12:03 AM Subject: John Gudgel (1824-1876), Bro. of Stephen-Pension File = Information Pension File Information from Doyal Gudgel. Captain John Gudgel Born 1824; Died July 29, 1876 Co. B., 112th Infantry Illinois Volunteers (Brother of Stephen Gudgel). Married Margaret Gillis August 3, 1843 in Clinton Co., Ohio, a copy = being in the city of Wilmington which is the county seat of Clinton Co. = The records do not give the city in which they were married. They were = married by William Baldwin, a Justice of the Peace. The information was = obtained from an affidavit produced in 1881 by Probate Judge John = Mathews in response to a request for a copy for pension reasons. They had one child, a girl, born blind in 1853. John Gudgel enrolled in the 112th Infantry August 12, 1862 at = Bradford, not far from his home in Tiskilwa. He was 38 when he enrolled = and was mustered in at Peoria, Illinois on September 20th. On March 24, 1884 the Adjutant General's office made a resume of = John's military record in response to a request for a pension by his = widow, Margaret. After his mustering in he remained on the rolls of the regiment = through all it's campaigning until Jan. and Feb/ 1864 at which time he = was on sick leave. The surgeons certificate on which authority he was granted 30 days = sick leave said he was suffering from Rheumatism and as a result could = not perform his duties. The doctor further stated the Capt. had been = under his care for 2 months previously. The doctor also said that if he = didn't get leave he stood the chance of suffering permanent damage as a = result. The statement was made at Lamar House Hospital. John Gudgel was back on the rolls in March and stayed there until = August 6th where in the Battle of Utoy Creek he was shot and wounded in = the lower left arm. The would damaged the muscles in his arm which made = it impossible for him to used his fingers. After considerable time in = hospitals an Army "report Board" found that he would probably ever = recover sufficiently to return to active duty. They recommended that he = be discharged and this was done March 20, 1965. When John was first wounded August 6th he was treated at the field = hospital for the Army of the Ohio. On August 12th he was sent to a = General Hospital in Knoxville, Tennessee. The hospital in which he was = first treated on August 6th was the 3rd Division 23rd Army Corp. First = report stated he was transferred to the General Hospital on the 10th of = August. The next hospital report stated he was sent to the General = Hospital on August 12th at Knoxville, Tennessee. It is assumed he = arrived there at that time or first report was made at that time. = Records said it was Hospital number 1739. The day before the 12th he = was admitted to Officers Branch of the GF Hospital of the Army of the = Ohio, Marietta, Georgia, Reg. 765 Then on the 12th he was sent to = General Hospital in Knoxville and arrived and admitted August 15th. He = remained at this hospital until September 7th at which time he was = furloughed. December 22, 1864 he returned to Nashville and was admitted = to General Hospital #17 for officers. One January 20 he was returned to = duty. Four days after arriving back, the Army placed him for treatment = in a private house at 146 Summer St., owned by Widow Boyers. A note = also stated the P.O. address was Louisville Hotel, Louisville, KY. So = it is assumed he was placed in the private house even though still under = the jurisdiction of the hospital in Nashville. The Widow Boyers = notation and the notation of the Louisville address was on the same page = of record. Records next show he arrived in Division No. 1, U.S.A. General = Hospital Officers Branch at Annapolis, Maryland from leave of absence. = It was while here that the Report Board had the hearing which resulted = in his discharge because of disability. His first application for pension was made on March 31, 1865 a few = days after his discharge. He had returned to Tiskilwa, Illinois. This = report said he enlisted as a private. Early organizations of the = volunteer outfits sometimes held elections to select their officers so = if this is accurate, and he did not sign the form, means he obtained his = commission of Lt. by this means. The form also required a street and = house number if in a city so the address means he lived in the country, = probably as a farmer. The Adjutant General's office recognized the = request and gave him a pension numbered 64,850. The next form in the file of John Gudgel was a pension application of = his widow, Margaret. In the years following his application in Illinois = in 1865 he had moved to Red Wing, Minnesota. No details at all are in = the records available. Whether he went directly there or whether he had = lived in other places as not known. But he died in Red Wing, Minnesota = July 29, 1876 from the effects of his military service as so many did = before and after him. He was only 53 when he died. His daughter, Grace = Gudgel, was 23 years old by now. As the application stated, the girl was the only one of the family = besides the wife who was dependent upon him, means he must have had = other children but nowhere in the records are their names and ages = given. As the government didn't allow any money for dependent children = after the age of 16 means there must have been more than 3 other = children besides the blind daughter, Grace. The application for pension = was made in Tiskilwa so she had moved back to Illinois. The application = was dated November 9, 1881. In the applications both Margaret and John = could write. One February 16, 1896 Margaret died. After her mother died it then became necessary for the blind daughter, = Grace, to make application for pension as a helpless child of John. Now = she was 39 years old on the 6th of June, 1898 when she made the = application and still living in Tiskilwa, Illinois. There may be some = reason connected with his other children that the mother and daughter = moved back to Tiskilwa. Melissa Dawson and D.B. Paul witnessed the = application so here is a possibility Melissa could have been a married = daughter of Margaret but nothing in the records say anything about that. As usual, the final record in the file of the Civil War soldier was = the final notice of the pensioner being dropped. So on March 8, 1907 = the history of John Gudgel, Captain in the 112th Infantry Regiment of = Illinois Volunteers came to a conclusion. March 8th was the date of the = signing of the dropped notice. Grace Gudgel died February 3, 1907. She = was 54 years old. = *************************************************************************= **************************************************************** Notes from Linda: I would love for someone with more information on this John Gudgel and = Margaret Gillis to share with the list. Were there other children = besides the daughter, Grace? Any other information about this family = would be very helpful? Thanks! From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John Milton Gudgel- Additional Pension File Information Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:03:16 -0400 Hi Folks- =20 I have more information on the Pension File Information contributed by = Doyal Gudgel. I have spent a long afternoon sorting and combining more = information that I hadn't sorted before so I will add to what I had = already submitted on this John M. Gudgel. This John M. Gudgel's line = goes as follows: John Milton>Stephen>Mahlon>Daniel> (99% sure Andrew, Sr.). Misc. Excerpts from Declaration for Pension: April 1, 1909 application date; Fremont Co., Farragut, Iowa. 62 years of age and a resident of Farragut, Fremont Co., Iowa. Enrolled at Quincy, Illinois on February 11, 1865 for 1 year as a = private on Co. K, 148th Regt, Infantry, Illinois Volunteers. Honoraby = discharged August 21, 1865 at Louisville, KY. Fair complexion, hazel = eyes, auburn hair, 5' 5", farmer, born near Dayton, Ohio. Places of residence since leaving the service: near Milo, Ilinois for 9 = years to 1874. From 1874 to present: Fremont Co., Iowa. Previous pension application was certificate # 388945 dated January 15, = 1898. Copy of first application states: Married to Willimina Laramare on November 3, 1867 in Bureau Co., IL by = L.L. Cross. Marriage record does exist. Children: Edwin L. b. August 11, 1868; Charles H. b. October (3th), 1870; George = A. b. November 13, 1875; Ben (F. or T?) and Harry F. (twins) b. August 18, = 1884 and Mabel L. was b, November 25, 1889. February 18 to April 30, 1865- Present May and June, 1865 - Present Paid $ .33/per day. March 23, 1865, he is living with wife. Contacted a fever which settled in his legs, which produced fever and = sores June 21, 1865. In hospital at Dechard, Tennessee since June 23, = 1865. Another application for pension was applied for March 23, 1915 in which = he lists his children as follows: Edwin L. b. August 11, 1868 Charles H. b. October (3th), 1870 George A. b. October 13, 1895 (deceased) Benjamin F. and Harry F. b. August 13, 1884 (Twins) Mabel L. b. November 25, 1888 (There are descrepancies with the birth dates but John did submit this = information and signed by his signature). That's all for now, Linda from Kentucky- Gorgeous weather now. Fall is just around the corner. For those who = attended the Gudgel Gathering last year you might remember going to = Keeneland RaceTrack. Fall meet opens October 7th! From: "Terri Montigny" Cc: Subject: Helen Sites/Reunion Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:16:34 -0400 I wanted everyone to know that Helen Gudgel Sites is out of the hospital = and at home. She is still planning on having the Gudgel Reunion October = 7,8,9th, 2005 in Rolla, Missouri. She is looking forward to seeing = everyone.=20 She would like to know how many are coming. She is not back online yet = so can you please let me know if you are coming and I will let her know. = You can reach me at tmontigny@earthlink.net Thanks so much! =20 Terri Montigny Columbus, OH Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:13:52 -0700 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John W. Gudgel - Pension File Information Pension File Information from Doyal Gudgel: John W. Gudgel - Private, Co. H, 99th Infantry Regt., Illinois = Volunteers (b. abt 1838- d. November 25, 1862 Rolla, MO) Son of Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples John's father, Andrew applied for a pension (#152.612) as John had been = his main support and Andrew was in very poor health. Andrew's wife had = died some time before. Andrew was 56 years old at time of his = application on September 16, 1867. Andrew lived in Kinderhook, Pike County, Illinois. The Adjutant General's Report of January 15, 1868 gave the information = that John enrolled August 12, 1862. He was mustered in on August 23, = 1862 in Co. H. Affidavit's signed by John and Eleanor Cox said they = were of no relation by blood or marriage and that Andrew did not own = Property worth more than $25.00. Before John enlisted in the Army he = supported his father. Andrew was unable to work. John was not married = and had no children at his death. Pension documents state that Andrew's wife was named Elizabeth, who died = in Adams County June 29, 1849. Her maiden name was Staples and they = were married September 27, 1832. The Surgeon Generals Report reported = he died in the post hospital at Rolla, MO on November 25, 1862 of Typho = Pnuemonia at 24 years of age. (Father's Declaration for Army Pension = states he died from Chronic Diarrhea). John had been mustered in for 3 = years on 23 August, 1862 at Florence, Illinois in Co. H, 99th Regiment = of Illinois Volunteers. Andrew still had two or three minor children on August 23, 1869. He was = sick with (fever malaria?) from living in the MIssissippi bottoms. Andrew received a pension of $8.00 per month beginning November 26, = 1862. Pension was last paid thru December 23, 1878 due to death of = Andrew. The document states: "Andrew Gudgel (father) who was a = pensioner on the rolls of this Agency, under certificate # 135172 and = who was last paid $8.00 thru December 23, 1878, has been dropped, = because of death. Paid Widow Catharine." (Notes from Linda- These affidavits and reports make it sound like John's father, Andrew, = was in such bad health but it seems strange that he fathered 3 more = children by his 3rd wife, Catharine, after John's death. =20 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John Wesley Gudgel (1858 -1927/28) Pension File Information-Spanish American War Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:12:10 -0400 Pension File Information from Doyal Gudgel: John Wesley Gudgel b. March 2, 1858 Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY d. 1927 or 1928 Spanish American War-Hospital Corp. In Sacramento, CA on Sept. 30, 1926 John W. Gudgel applied for a pension = because of his service in the Hospital Corp. during the Spanish American = War. He enlisted May 6, 1898 at Lexington, KY and was discharged = October 31, 1898. Residence listed as Lawrenceburg, KY. A long list of = ailments and that he had lived in KY and CA. His occupation was a cook = in the Army, He was 6'1", dark complexioned, brown eyes, black hair. = His address in Sacramento, CA was 1132 6th Street. He married America Jorden October 11, 1882 in Frankfort, KY by Jake = Williams. No record of marriage. His children were Robert Lee Gudgel = b. May 15, 1885 and Nadie Gudgel b. May 12, 1887. Both were deceased by = date of application (February 1, 1927. He was in the service at Camp = Johnson at Lexington and served under General Sangular and Lt. Gilcress. = L. N. Crawford and Louisa Banks witnessed the application. September 30, 1929 his widow wrote the Bureau of Pensions stating she = had heard nothing since October 6, 1926 when she received a card from = them and that she was a widow and wanted an answer. That was the last = paper in the pension file and nothing indicates that a pension was = granted. =20 (Notes from Linda)- It appears that the phrase "dark complexioned" really meant that John = Wesley Gudgel was Black or Mulatto as he appears in the Census records = that I have found from 1900, 1910, 1920 as follows: 1900 Census, Fayette Co., KY June 5, 1900, Line 11, 142/132/152 Gudgel, John, Head, age 38, Male, Black, b. KY, b. March, 1862, marr. 1, = marr.19 yrs.. fa. b. KY, mo. b.KY, = Professional Cook. Can read and write. America, wife, Black, emale, b. Spet. 18644, marr. 1., marr. 19 yrs., 0 = children/ 0 living, b. KY, fa. b. KY, mo. b. KY, Cook, can read and write. 1910 Census, Sacremento, California. 3-WD Pct., Scott Street, Line 3, 1614/82/240; April 23, 1910 Gudgel, John W., Head, male, Mu, 52, marr. 1/ 29 yrs, b. KY, fa. b. = U.S., mo. b. VA, Janitor-City Hall Gudgel, America, wife, female, Mu, 43, marr. 1/29 yrs., 3 children/0 = living, no occup., b. KY, fa. b. U.S., mo. b. U.S. (10 lodgers living in same household) 1920 Census, Sacramento, California Fair Oaks Road, February 10, 1920, Line 82, 300/305 Gudgel, John Wesley, Head, Male, Black 61, married, b. KY, fa. b. KY, = mo. b. KY; manager-Hotel. Gudgel, American Frances, Wife, female, Black, 50, Married, b. KY, fa. = b. KY, mo. b. KY, Cook-Hotel I think it's interesting that in 1900 there were 0 children/ 0 living. = Then in 1910 there had been 3 chidlren with 0 now living. =20 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: John Wesley Gudgel (1858 -1927/28) Pension File Information-Spanish American War From: "Ralph Johnson" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" I read that three were blacks named Gudgel who had been slaves. As there is no lineage his parent may may have been one of them. The definition of a mulatto is one parent is black. So one of his parents was black. Does anyone have his lineage? Doyal Gudgel Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:28:32 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: thanks for the data While I appreciate all the data that you all have been sending out lately, I am reading and filing it, even if I don't respond. Glad you are doing this research and getting it disseminated. I've seen the name America Gudgel before. It would be very interesting to get the record books of all the Gudgel slave owners. They usually kept records just like they did on their horses. D Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:04:44 -0800 From: Dianne Subject: palentine references? Have any of you read the books by this genealogy researcher? hankjones.com/ There was an article in today's Anchorage paper about him (he is speaking today here), and it appears his area of expertise is the Palentine era: hankjones.com/evenmore.htm I don't know which libraries might carry his books and I am not able to search this weekend (but if some of you can please let us know your results). His books are pricey but maybe we find them in a library. They may shed some light on our Old Andrew's parents' origins or at least give us background data on that era of the 1720s. Dianne From: "nancy miller" To: "Dianne" , References: <432C4CAC.8060306@alaska.net> Subject: Re: palentine references? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:52:07 -0700 I heard Hank Jones speak several years ago at a genealogy seminar in Bakersfield. At that time his area of expertise seemed to be those that had come into New York from Germany, rather than those that came into Pennsylvania. I think he has another book or two out since them that I haven't seen, and the last I checked the newest was not available in Bakersfield. He is a very entertaining speaker if you get a chance to hear him. Nancy From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gil and Marge Gudgel Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:34:17 -0400 Does anyone know the line of descent for Gil (Gilbert) and Marge = (Margaret) Gudgel who made the very collectible line of Gudgel Miniature = Houses? They lived in New York and I believe they both died in the = 1990's. =20 Any information on Gil and Margaret Gudgel's family would be = appreciated. Thanks, Linda From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , References: <002301c5be98$05a6efa0$52368304@userz93ujzrnh3> Subject: Re: Gil and Marge Gudgel Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:05:20 -0700 My record shows that Gilbert Lee Gudgel (9 Jan 1926-29 Aug 1992) had = ancestry: William Thomas Gudgel (1884-1961)/Myrtle Burnett (1882-1987) William Craig Gudgel (1858-1893)/Louella Florence Creek (1858-1932) Edward Thomas Gudgel (1835-1908)/Elizabeth Blythe (1836-1899 William Gudgel (1801-1877)/Lucinda Thurman (1806-1887) Andrew Gudgel(1727-1818)/Elizabeth "Betsy" Payne(1762-1823) Hope that helps. I'm sure I got most of it off this list from close = relatives of Gil and Marge. Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:34 AM Subject: Gil and Marge Gudgel Does anyone know the line of descent for Gil (Gilbert) and Marge = (Margaret) Gudgel who made the very collectible line of Gudgel Miniature = Houses? They lived in New York and I believe they both died in the = 1990's. =20 Any information on Gil and Margaret Gudgel's family would be = appreciated. Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "nancy miller" , Subject: Re: Gil and Marge Gudgel Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 06:23:26 -0400 Thanks Nancy! I had several Gilbert Gudgel's but just wanted to make = sure. You're a jewel! Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nancy miller=20 To: Linda Gudgel Finnell ; Gudgel List=20 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:05 AM Subject: Re: Gil and Marge Gudgel My record shows that Gilbert Lee Gudgel (9 Jan 1926-29 Aug 1992) had = ancestry: William Thomas Gudgel (1884-1961)/Myrtle Burnett (1882-1987) William Craig Gudgel (1858-1893)/Louella Florence Creek (1858-1932) Edward Thomas Gudgel (1835-1908)/Elizabeth Blythe (1836-1899 William Gudgel (1801-1877)/Lucinda Thurman (1806-1887) Andrew Gudgel(1727-1818)/Elizabeth "Betsy" Payne(1762-1823) Hope that helps. I'm sure I got most of it off this list from close = relatives of Gil and Marge. Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:34 AM Subject: Gil and Marge Gudgel Does anyone know the line of descent for Gil (Gilbert) and Marge = (Margaret) Gudgel who made the very collectible line of Gudgel Miniature = Houses? They lived in New York and I believe they both died in the = 1990's. =20 Any information on Gil and Margaret Gudgel's family would be = appreciated. Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel Cousins in Path of Hurricane Rita Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:32:12 -0400 Hi Folks- Just wanted to let you know that we have Gudgel cousins in the path of = Hurricane Rita. Eddie Martin lives in Lake Charles, LA and Rita is = headed right at them. Mr. Martin's grandmother was Margaret Bell Gudgel = Martin. Margaret (Maggie) was a sister to my great grandfather, Allie = Lee Gudgel. Mr. Martin is a pilot and also owns a GMC dealership in = Lake Charles. He has grown children in the area also I believe. Mr. Martin also is the holder of several old family Bibles, one of which = was the Jacob Gudgel and Frances Griffey Gudgel Bible that I transcribed = and submitted to the Gudgel Connections Newsletter in the last issue. Lets all keep Mr. Martin and his family in our thoughts and prayers for = their safety. Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Jacob Gudgel (1833-1905) Pension File Information Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:26:00 -0400 Pension File Information from Doyal Gudgel: Jacob Gudgel (1833-1905) son of William Gudgel and Lucinda Thurman. Marriage Certificate-License issued March 21, 1861 between Jacob Gudgel = and Mary J. Witherspoon, Gibson County, Indiana. Filed with the clerk = by Minister, Lewis Wilson, M.G. (Minister of the Gospel) on June 7, = 1861. Volunteer Enlistment: State of Indiana, Town of Princeton- I, Jacob Gudgel, aged 30 years and by occupation, a Farmer, do hereby = acknowledge to have volunteered this 25th day of January, 1864, to serve = as a soldier in the Army of the United States of America, for the period = of three years, unless sooner discharged by proper authority; Do = solemnly swear, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the United = States of America, and that I will serve them honestly and faithfully = against all their enemies or opposers whomsoever; and that I will = observe and obey the orders of the President of the United States, and = the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the Rules and = Articles of War. Sworn and subscribed to at Loudon, Tenn. this 25th day of January, 1864 = before Charles C. Whiting, Adj. (Signed by Jacob Gudgel -signature) Mustered into the service of the United States, in Company A, 58th Regt. = of Indiana Foot Volunteers, on the 14th of February, 1864 at = Chattanooga, Tenn. Muster Roll Cards: Private, Co. A, 58th Regt., Indiana Infantry: Nov. 12 to Dec. 31, 1861-Present or absent-not stated. Rank: Private. January and February, 1862-Present March and April, 1862-Present May and June, 1862-Present-Promoted to Corporal July and August, 1862-Present Sept. and October, 1862-Present Nov. and December, 1862-Present January and February, 1863-Present March and April, 1863-Present April 10, 1863-Present (Special Muster Card) May and June, 1863-Present July and August, 1863-Present Sept, and October, 1863-Absent (Guarding Supply Train) November and December, 1863-Present January and February, 1864-Mustered out and discharged to date from = January 24, 1864 by reason of re-enlistment as a Vet Volunteer. *** Rec'd. one months advance pay ($13.00) and $60.00 of bounty. March and April, 1864-Present Detachment Muster-out Roll: Amount for clothing in kind money advanced: = $44.16 May and June, 1864- Present July and August, 1864-Present- Corporal-Vet. Volunteer. September and October, 1864-Present November and December, 1864- Present Muster and Descriptive Roll of Vet Vols.: Grey eyes, dark hair, fair = complexion, 5'8 1/2". January and February, 1865- Present. Promoted to Sergt. Nov. 12, 1864; = promoted to 1st Sergt. December 20, 1864. March and April, 1865-Present May and June, 1865-Absent-On Furlough. Muster out Roll- Louisville, KY- July 25, 1865. Department of the Interior-letter dated December 8, 1865- requesting = full report of service. Re: General disability near Stone River, Tenn, = January, 1863. Letter - from War Department-Adjutant General's Office-April 7, 1886 Full service report General Affidavit from Charles C. Whiting (Late Captain-Co. A, 58th = Regt., Indiana Volunteers. ....That Jacob Gudgel was a member of Co. A, 58th Regt., Ind. Vols. from = the Muster of Co. and Regt. in 1861 until the muster out at close of war = in 1865. Said soldier has no hospital record. That before and after = the Battle of Stone River, Tenn., a great many of the command were = afflicted with the Camp Diarrhea. Said Gudgel being one so afflicted = which from the best information I had at the time or since showed that = said Gudgel case it resulted in Piles. I have known and been = intimately acquainted with said Gudgel since his muster into the service = to the present time and know that for some cause he is not now nor has = he been for some time an able bodied man. In fact, I have no hesitantcy = in saying that he is fully three fourths disabled from what he was when = he entered the service in 1861 and I consider this disability brought on = him more from his Army service than any other cause. As he has been = since I have known him a sober temperate man from all vicious habits = that would tend to impair his constitution or general health. = (Signature) Charles C. Whiting. (no date on this affidavit). Personal Affidavit of George Gang, aged 52, a resident of Five Creek = Twp., County of Clay, Idana, Kansas, and John D. Deberry, a resident of = Blaine Twp., Clay County, Idana, Kansas, aged 41 years: ....That they have known Jacob Gudgel for 8 years and that they have = lived as neighbor to him for those 8 years, and that they are intimately = acquainted with said Gudgel. Further say that they know of their own = personal knowledge that the said Gudgel incurred inguinal hernia on or = about the middle of May, 1889, in the act of reaching for a wire in = repairing a wind mill on the said soldiers premises in Five Creek Twp, = Clay Co.. He fell and received said injuries and that he has at this = time oblique inguinal hernia on each side, complete on left side and = incomplete on right, That said claimant has to wear a two ringed double = truss. That said injuries or disabilities wholly disable said claimant = from performing manual labor, and affiants further state to the best of = their knowledge and belief, that inguinal hernia was not caused by any = vicious habits of said claimant.... (Signed by both with signature.) = Dated: June 25, 1897. Department of Interior, Bureau of Pensions Correspondence, January 15, = 1898. (questionnaire). Wife's full maiden name: Mary Jane Witherspoon When/Where married: March 22, 1861 by Lewis Wilson Record of Marriage: Princeton, Indiana Were you married before" Never was married but wonce. Living children: William-December-1861; Edward- 1864; Luelley-1866; Nancy E.- 1868; = Alley- 1872; Feadora-1874; Charles-1876; Lucy-1879; Ethel-January = 1881; Frederic-1884. Date of Reply: May (18?), 1898; Signed by Jacob Gudgel. Declaration for Original Invalid Pension dated July 9, 1890. Signed by = Jacob Gudgel, age 57 years, honorably discharged. Disabilities listed as: Piles, Loss of left forefinger, double inguinal = hernia and disease of the eyes...that he also gets a pension of $4.00 = per month for Piles by Certificate 419.297. Declaration For Widow's Pension, dated November 9th, 1905. Applicant: = Mary J. Gudgel. ...states Jacob died November 7th, 1905 at Clay Center, Kansas. Signed by signature: Mary J. Gudgel Witnesses: Ralph Hebenbach and Theo Gudgel. General Affidavit in the matter of Mary J. Gudgel, widow of Jacob = Gudgel..... submitted by J.S. McClellan, age 64 of Clay Center, Kansas = and Sam McDonald, aged 60 of Clay Center, Kansas. State that they each know that Mary J. Gudgel has no property of any = kind real, personal or (Mixed?), except for a few household goods valued = at $25.00. She professes since November 13, 1905 that she has not any = income from any source and that she has no means of support. Dated = December 22, 1905 and signed by affiants. Department of Interior, Bureau of Pensions. Name Drop of Jacob Gudgel = (certifiacte No. 419-297) date of death: November 7, 1905. Was last = paid $12.00 per month August 4, 1905. Form dated November 28, 1905. September 23, 1916: Declaration for Widow's Pension submitted by Mary = J. Gudgel, aged 75 years, a resident of Idana, Kansas, Clay Co., Kansas. = (No children under 16 living at home). Witnesses: Nellie J. Rankin and = J.A. Meek, both residents of Idana, KS. Pensioner Dropped Card: Department of the Interior-Dated Dec. 7, 1916 Pensioner: Mary J. Gudgel, Soldier: Jacob Gudgel. Pensioner date of Death: November 18, 1916. Last paid $12.00 to = November 4, 1916. Application for Reimbursement: January 29, 1917. Submitted by Luella Gudgel May of OakHill, Kansas,(daughter of Mary J. = and Jacob Gudgel). Deceased Pensioner: Mary J. Gudgel, (certificate No. 605518)- widow of = Jacob Gudgel. Pensioner's cause of death: Cancer of the Stomach. Requested reimbursement for expense of Doctor and nursing care of = Pensioner prior to death" $111.50. Signed by signature: Luella Gudgel May. (Notes from Linda) This was a rather large file and I have submitted parts of each document = rather than duplicate a lot of information. =20 From: "Connie" Cc: "Phil Phillips" Subject: Education Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:55:16 -0400 Subject: Education Remember when our grandparents, great-grandparents, and such stated that = they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. - - - Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895? This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, KS, USA. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical = Society and Library in Salina, KS, and reprinted by the Salina Journal. 8th GRADE FINAL EXAM Grammar (Time, one hour) 1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters. 2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no Modifications. 3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph. 4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of lie, = lay and run. 5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case. 6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation. 7. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you = understand the practical use of the rules of grammar. Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours) 1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic. 2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many = bushels of wheat will it hold? 3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at=20 50cts/bushel, deducting 1050lbs. for tare? 4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 = for incidentals? 5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton. 6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent. 7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 = per meter? 8 Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent. 9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance=20 around which is 640 rods? 10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt. U. S. History (Time, 45 minutes) 1. Give the epochs into which U. S. History is divided. 2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus. 3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War. 4. Show the territorial growth of the United States. 5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas. 6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion. 7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, = and Howe? 8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, = 1849, 1865. Orthography (Time, one hour) 1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, = etymology, syllabication? 2. What are elementary sounds? How classified? 3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, sub=20 vocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals? 4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'. 5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two=20 exceptions under each rule. 6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each. 7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, = dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup 8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name = the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd,cell, = rise, blood, fare, last. 9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane,=20 fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays. 10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation = by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication. Geography (Time, one hour) 1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend? 2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas? 3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean? 4. Describe the mountains of North America. 5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall &Orinoco. 6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S. 7. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each. 8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same = latitude? 9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the = sources of rivers. 10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the = earth. This took a total of 5 hours to complete. See how you can do. Is this = the result of no child left behind?? Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:13:40 -0400 From: Terri Montigny To: nikkiy@mail.nwmissouri.edu, AMBER STOUT , Brad Stout , Chris Sutton , Dodi Stout , Douglas Stout , Gary & Colleen Stout , Gary and Connie Algers , Gudgel List , PAT AND MARION AGNEWS , Sheila Moyer , "STOUT, MAXINE" , Val , Waunita Davidson , William Gudgel , rastout_1982@yahoo.com Subject: AUNT HELEN I am very sorry to inform you that my aunt, Helen Sites, died in the early hours this morning. As many of you know, she had been sick the last two months and now she is no longer in pain. She had 91 wonderful years and was a pleasure to all of us that knew her. I have attached a list of the funeral arrangements. There will be a visitation and service in Rolla, Missouri and then she will be taken to Fremont, NE for burial at Ridge Cemetery Sincerely, Terri Montigny Helen's Niece. ps - please pass this on to family that I may have missed. Thank you! <> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Helen Sites Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:43:28 -0400 Hi Folks- We were terribly saddened to learn of Helen's passing. Helen and her = daughter attended the Gudgel Gathering last year in Kentucky and they = sat across from my two brothers, Sam and Windy Gudgel, and their wives. = Sam said to me later how pleased he was to meet Helen and thought her = sense of humor was wonderful. And it was. Helen was such fun. I only = hope I can be as energetic and fun as she was when I reach her age. She = was so excited about having the Gudgel Reunion in Rolla, MO next weekend = and had begun her preparations and plans early this year. She decided = to have the reunion in one year instead of two because she had some = health issues and was afraid she couldn't do it if she waited two years. = Unfortunately I am not going to be able to go this year and I was sorry = to miss it. Helen was always so supportive of this family research, = reunions, etc. I will miss Helen and Gary and I send our heartfelt = sympathy to all of her family. Gary and I are leaving this morning to meet my two brothers in Tennessee = for the week. We do this every year. Sam comes from Massachusettes and = Windy comes from central Florida. I am sure they will be saddened to = learn of Helen's passing. We are richer for having known her for sure. = I am not sure if the Reunion will go on or not but I know Helen will be = there in spirit. She loved the coming together of the cousins. I'll be in touch when we return. Linda from Kentucky From: "William Gudgel" To: Cc: "GUDGEL-list, e-mail conferencing" Subject: Re: AUNT HELEN Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:22:15 -0700 I extend my sympathy to the Family of Helen GUDGEL SITES. I will greatly miss Helen GUDGEL SITES. I first met Helen at the Gudgel Gathering in Princton, Indiana in 2002, and was privilidged to visit with her again at the Gudgel Gathering in Kentucky in 2004. Helen was a quiet gentle "Lady" with a great sense of humor. Helen's departure from this life creates great sadness for all of us who had the priviledge of knowing her, but I am comforted in the knowledge that Helen is happy in her new home in Heaven. Shalom, Rev. William E. Gudgel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri Montigny" Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: AUNT HELEN > I am very sorry to inform you that my aunt, Helen Sites, died in the > early hours this morning. As many of you know, she had been sick the > last two months and now she is no longer in pain. She had 91 wonderful > years and was a pleasure to all of us that knew her. > > I have attached a list of the funeral arrangements. There will be a > visitation and service in Rolla, Missouri and then she will be taken to > Fremont, NE for burial at Ridge Cemetery > > Sincerely, > > Terri Montigny > Helen's Niece. > > ps - please pass this on to family that I may have missed. Thank you! > Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 09:28:36 -0700 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: AUNT HELEN To: , , "AMBER STOUT" , "Brad Stout" , "Chris Sutton" , "Dodi Stout" , "Douglas Stout" , "Gary & Colleen Stout" , "Gary and Connie Algers" , "Gudgel List" , "PAT AND MARION AGNEWS" , "Sheila Moyer" , "STOUT, MAXINE" , "Val" , "Waunita Davidson" , "William Gudgel" , Terri and family, I am so saddened by the news of Helen. I didn't know her personally, but early on in my search for family roots, I received a letter written by Helen outlining the Daniel line of descent. It filled in almost the whole line for Lyle's ancestors. I still keep the letter filed with my other research. The next few days will be rough for the family and you have my sympathy. Love Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri Montigny" To: ; "AMBER STOUT" ; "Brad Stout" ; "Chris Sutton" ; "Dodi Stout" ; "Douglas Stout" ; "Gary & Colleen Stout" ; "Gary and Connie Algers" ; "Gudgel List" ; "PAT AND MARION AGNEWS" ; "Sheila Moyer" ; "STOUT, MAXINE" ; "Val" ; "Waunita Davidson" ; "William Gudgel" ; Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: AUNT HELEN :I am very sorry to inform you that my aunt, Helen Sites, died in the : early hours this morning. As many of you know, she had been sick the : last two months and now she is no longer in pain. She had 91 wonderful : years and was a pleasure to all of us that knew her. : : I have attached a list of the funeral arrangements. There will be a : visitation and service in Rolla, Missouri and then she will be taken to : Fremont, NE for burial at Ridge Cemetery : : Sincerely, : : Terri Montigny : Helen's Niece. : : ps - please pass this on to family that I may have missed. Thank you! : Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 08:54:27 -0800 From: Dianne Subject: Re: AUNT HELEN You've all echoed my sentiments exactly. I too am glad to have met her last yr. and she did exhibit a quality and grace that will be missed. D William Gudgel wrote: >I extend my sympathy to the Family of Helen GUDGEL SITES. > >I will greatly miss Helen GUDGEL SITES. I first met Helen at the Gudgel >Gathering in Princton, Indiana in 2002, and was privilidged to visit with >her again at the Gudgel Gathering in Kentucky in 2004. Helen was a quiet >gentle "Lady" with a great sense of humor. Helen's departure from this life >creates great sadness for all of us who had the priviledge of knowing her, >but I am comforted in the knowledge that Helen is happy in her new home in >Heaven. > >Shalom, >Rev. William E. Gudgel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Terri Montigny" >Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:13 PM >Subject: AUNT HELEN > > > > >>I am very sorry to inform you that my aunt, Helen Sites, died in the >>early hours this morning. As many of you know, she had been sick the >>last two months and now she is no longer in pain. She had 91 wonderful >>years and was a pleasure to all of us that knew her. >> >>I have attached a list of the funeral arrangements. There will be a >>visitation and service in Rolla, Missouri and then she will be taken to >>Fremont, NE for burial at Ridge Cemetery >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Terri Montigny >>Helen's Niece. >> >>ps - please pass this on to family that I may have missed. Thank you! >> >> >> > > > > Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: The Alamance and Stinking Quarters To: Kime Family , Hinshaw Family , Gudgel Family , Musick Family Cc: alamance@ncmail.net, Musick/Porter Fan Club This weekend I visited the Battlefield on the Alamance (North Carolina), where William Hinshaw and his brothers-in-law in the Regulators faced the Loyalist Militia on May 16, 1771. It is actually on a tributary of the Alamance named the North Prong of Stinking Quarters. A few miles east of the battlefield is Kimesville on the South Prong of Stinking Quarters. Just a mile or so down stream is Little Creek ("Little Stinking Quarters") the home of Peggy Reitzel and Phillip Kime. Their son, Henry Kime, later moved up to Pennsylvania where he joined the Chester County Militia and fought the British at Brandywine and the Paoli Massacre. Henry is buried just a few miles north of Lincoln, Illinois, in the Zion (Musick) Cemetery. Peggy, Phillip, and Henry are all my ancestors. Peggy Reitzel's husband (a minor German nobleman who gained his title in the Spanish Wars) was swept overboard on their passage to America. When they arrived in Charles Town, South Carolina, Peggy and her son were sold on the auction block. She later escaped from an abusive owner, and was pursued by slave catchers through the South Carolina swamps. At one point she hid her young son and left him behind to lead the hounds away. She later returned and found him. Eventually she got to the religious radical settlements in North Carolina, along the Alamance, where she married Phillip Kime. William Hinshaw was married to his cousin, Mary Hinshaw. After the Battle on the Alamance he joined the Virginia Militia, and served in the Revolution. Some of their sons moved to Central Illinois, where one of them served in the Illinois Assembly with Abe Lincoln. Their granddaughters married the sons of Sally Musick and John Benson. Sally Musick was the sister of Jesse Musick, who was mortally wounded at Tippecanoe. John Musick, the son of Jesse, and his widow, Hannah Gudgel, moved to Central Illinois, where he married Mary Johnson, the granddaughter of Henry Kime. (Henry Kime's grandchildren personally knew Abe Lincoln when he was a young man.) His great-grandchild, William Henry Musick, served in company C of the 106th Illinois Infantry. The great-grandchildren of William and Mary Hinshaw served in several other regiments formed in Central Illinois. I have never heard anything about Henry (or any other member of the Kime family) being involved in the Battle on the Alamance. They did, however, live a short walk from the battlegrounds. There home was actually very near the Cane Creek Friends (Quaker) Meeting House, where William and Mary Hinshaw were members (we also visited the building, and the cemetery that surrounds it.) The Benson's in Central Illinois, were also Quakers. I believe that Phillip Kime came from the Palatine region of Germany, and was a member of one of the persecuted radical protestant groups. Kime's and Hinshaw's clearly still live along Stinking Quarters. The guide at the Battlefield knew several folks by those names. http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hs/alamance/alamanc.htm Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN c/o Helaina Hinson Burton 69 Gray Ghost Lane Benson NC 27504 (919) 934-6323 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love From: myrnareynolds@comcast.net To: tmontigny@earthlink.net, nikkiy@mail.nwmissouri.edu, AMBER STOUT , Brad Stout , Chris Sutton , Dodi Stout , Douglas Stout , Gary & Colleen Stout , Gary and Connie Algers , Gudgel List , PAT AND MARION AGNEWS , Sheila Moyer , "STOUT, MAXINE" , Val , Waunita Davidson , William Gudgel , rastout_1982@yahoo.com Cc: Terri Montigny Subject: Re: AUNT HELEN Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:28:41 +0000 Dear Terry and Family, I am so sorry to learn of your Aunt Helen's passing away. She was a dear lady. I met her for the first time at our Gudgel Gathering in Indiana, and then saw her again in Kentucky. I admired her infectious, ready smilem and her warm effusive personality. She radiated such joy when she spoke with us at the reunion in Ky. and invited all of us to Missouri. I can't be in Missouri this year, and I'll miss seeing so many people. The past two reunions have been so wonderful due to many people like your Aunt Helen. She makes all of us proud to be Gudgels. Do let us hear the details of the reunion if it happens next weekend. I send my love and sympathy to you and your family. Fondly, Myrna Reynolds West Hartford, Ct. > I am very sorry to inform you that my aunt, Helen Sites, died in the > early hours this morning. As many of you know, she had been sick the > last two months and now she is no longer in pain. She had 91 wonderful > years and was a pleasure to all of us that knew her. > > I have attached a list of the funeral arrangements. There will be a > visitation and service in Rolla, Missouri and then she will be taken to > Fremont, NE for burial at Ridge Cemetery > > Sincerely, > > Terri Montigny > Helen's Niece. > > ps - please pass this on to family that I may have missed. Thank you! Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Re: The Alamance and Stinking Quarters To: Dianne Dianne, It is one of the many areas of family history that I might decide to research personally. For now I am merely relying on Kime Family historians. I suspect that their wealth was somehow lost when her husband was swept overboard, leaving her with no way to pay for their passage. That is nothing but speculation on my part. There are a lot of stories about Old Andrew Gudgel that I accept, knowing full well that it might be impossible to get independent evidence. Arleigh Dianne wrote: Interesting about indentured servants. I know little about that but want to know more as Old Andrew Gudgel bought a lazy indentured servant in the 1770s and went to court to get his money back. But didn't you say your relative's husband was a minor nobility? Do you think he might have been coming over as an indentured servant too? I would think if he was nobility, his wife would not have been that poor to have to be auctioned off. But may be he was washed overboard with all his money on him? I assume you've tried looking at records from Europe on these early ships, if such records exist? Personally I have not done so but would love to know where and what records exist for the 1700s over there. If you are sure about the ship coming to So. Carolina then I suspect there were a few ports in Europe that went directly to So. Car due to the 'ownership' of SC lands at that time. I have forgotten how the history of each early colony is wrapped up in kings granting lands to families or trading companies, but that should be easly to find out. I'd like to know more about Old Andrew's ancestors because I've read the Palentine groups at one time went to England (due to persecution?) and perhaps the Netherlands and then went back to Europe before coming here. I wish I had time to research this. I recall reading somewhere that some Palentine groups sailed directly from England to the colonies. Dianne Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN c/o Helaina Hinson Burton 69 Gray Ghost Lane Benson NC 27504 (919) 934-6323 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:56:27 -0700 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: Jacob Stucker_Sarah Gudshall marriage Hi everyone, I belong to "The Descendants of Michael Stocker (1700-1750), the Palatine" mailing list and they recently discussed the marriage of Elizabeth Wrighthouse. About a year ago Pat Agnew had gone to the Jefferson Indiana courthouse and copied the page that contained Nathaniel Gudgell's marriage record to Rachel Chasteen . On that page were two Stucker marriages, so I shared the document with the Stucker list. Below is the conversation that took place about Jacob Stucker, Jr. and Elizabeth Housewright. If you follow the thread of the conversation you will see that it involves the marriage of Jacob Stucker Sr. and our Sarah Gudshall, Andrew's daughter. Vivian Jacob Stucker and Elizabeth Housewright marriage << Previous Next >> Vivian Gudgell - Jun 5, 2004 View | Edit | Delete | Viewers Categories: Misc. Information I have a court house record of a Jacob Stucker and Elizabeth Housewright married Nov 25, 1815, I think. The date has been written over until it is not very plain. Married by Samuel McKinley J.P. On the same page are Jacob Fix and Polly Stucker married January 29, 1818 by Samuel McKinley J.P. I believe these are from the Jefferson County, Indiana records. Does anyone know who these Stuckers are? Vivian Read what others had to say: Marilyn Turner - Jun 7, 2004 Viewers | Reply to this item I think my John Stucker and Rebecca Castile may also have been married in Jefferson Co. IN - their son Michael was born in 1808 so I suppose the wedding was before the birth- I wonder if Michael might have been born there also. Did you find this 1815 marriage by going thru records in Jefferson Co.? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Vivian Gudgell - Jun 13, 2004 Edit | Delete | Viewers | Reply to this item Hello, I have not been getting any notices from the web site for the past few days, so I apologize for not answering sooner. A Gudgell cousin who lives in Indiana got a photo copy of the marriage record page for Nathaniel gudgell and Rachel Chasteen from Jefferson County records department. On the page that she sent me were the two Stucker marriages. The date on Jacob and Elzabeth's record has been written over until it is not entirely legible. It could be Oct., or Nov. 25, 1815, or 1817, or 1818. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Waller - Jun 11, 2004 Viewers | Reply to this item Essie Stucker's book has Jacob Stucker as a son of Michael and Nancy Vaughn Stucker, although she notes that this marriage was not recorded in Michael's Bible. Maybe someone on the site can confirm this relationship. She shows that Jacob and Elizabeth had 11 children. Then, Essie has Polly Stucker who married Jacob Fix as a daughter of Jacob and Sarah Gudgel Stucker. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Vivian Gudgell - Jun 13, 2004 Edit | Delete | Viewers | Reply to this item Nancy,thanks for the information on the identity of the Stuckers on this marriage record. I am interested in Polly Stucker being the daughter of Sarah Gudgell. Who is Michael that married Nancy Vaughn? Is he connected to the Gudgells, also? Nancy, did you have a chance to check on the law suit Nathaniel Gudgell vs. David Stucker at Bartholomew County? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Collyer - Jun 13, 2004 Viewers | Reply to this item If you look at the master tree on this site or my tree on this site, you will see that Michael,Sr. and Nancy Stucker had a son Jacob Stucker my great-greatgrandfather who married Elizabeth Righthouse. Michael also had a brother Jacob Stucker, Sr. that married Sarah Gudgell. Therefore, Sarah was Michael's sister-in-law and Polly was his niece. And Sarah was my Jacob's aunt and Polly was his first cousin. Michael, Sr. and Jacob, Sr. had a sister Mary (Polly) Stucker Michael, Sr. had a daughter Mary (Polly) Stucker. And my Jacob had a daughter Mary (Polly) Stucker. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel/Crossman connection Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:38:22 -0400 Hi Folks- I know the name Crossman has come up before but I can't put my hands on = this name at the moment. Can comeone help me? See message below that I got in reply to a query I left. Thanks, Linda Hi, I'm looking for my great great grandmother who was Mary A. (Alice) = Gudgel, born in 1826 in KY. Married John A. Crossman. Moved to MO by = 1850. Parents moved with them, but don't know their names. Had 1 son in = MO, Spencer, b. 1854. Moved to TX, there by 1862. Had a girl, Mary B. = Crossman and Robert Wilmeth Crossman. Any help in finding info on this = family will be so great. Mary's parents were born in KY, so they had = been there at least from the late 1700's to the first of 1800's. John A = Crossman was born in PA, with both of his parents being born in NJ. I've = never heard of the Gudgels going to TX. Thanks, Jo From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Gudgel/Crossman connection Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:57:41 -0700 I have a Mary Gudgel that married (2nd) a John A. Crossman in Livingston = Co., MO. Her parents were John Franklin and Cynthia Ann Brown Gudgel. = Spencer Crossman married Alice Robertson. All this according to Brian = Sexton via this list. Hope this helps. Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:38 PM Subject: Gudgel/Crossman connection Hi Folks- I know the name Crossman has come up before but I can't put my hands = on this name at the moment. Can comeone help me? See message below that I got in reply to a query I left. Thanks, Linda Hi, I'm looking for my great great grandmother who was Mary A. (Alice) = Gudgel, born in 1826 in KY. Married John A. Crossman. Moved to MO by = 1850. Parents moved with them, but don't know their names. Had 1 son in = MO, Spencer, b. 1854. Moved to TX, there by 1862. Had a girl, Mary B. = Crossman and Robert Wilmeth Crossman. Any help in finding info on this = family will be so great. Mary's parents were born in KY, so they had = been there at least from the late 1700's to the first of 1800's. John A = Crossman was born in PA, with both of his parents being born in NJ. I've = never heard of the Gudgels going to TX. Thanks, Jo From: "Steve Varvel" Subject: RE: Jacob Stucker_Sarah Gudshall marriage Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:24:47 -0400 Hi Vivian, I read with interest your post about Jacob Stucker and Elizabeth "Houseright". I bet that her name should be Righthouse, a guess that seems to be shared by the Jerry Collyer that you included in your post. I also would guess that she was related to the Peggy Righthouse who married David Stucker in Woodford in 1792, and who married Abraham Varvel in Jefferson, IN in 1816. I wrote something some time ago about Abraham Varvel that includes some info about Peggy Righthouse that I dont think I've shared with the Gudgel group..... Abraham was a son of John or Philip Varvel (I believe probably Philip), born in the Monongahela region of South-western Pennsylvania, and moved to Woodford County, KY with his family c1790. An approximate range for his birth year can be inferred from early tax lists of Woodford County, KY - Abraham is first listed in 1797 as being age 16-20, dating his birth to between 1776 and 1781. The only other year in which he is found on Woodford’ s tax roles was in 1803, when he is listed as over 21. I haven’t found any further references to Abraham in Woodford after 1803, and does not appear anywhere in the 1810 federal census. He may have already gone to Indiana by then, as he enlisted as a Ranger in the spring of 1812 out at Vincennes, and settled in the newly secured Indiana Territory, Saluda Township, Jefferson County. Jefferson County, bounded on the south by the Ohio River and on the west by Clark County, was organized in 1811. Abraham is first noted in Jefferson County on a tax list from 1816, and later in the federal census of 1820. In addition to Abraham, several Stuckers and Gudgels from Woodford County were also present sometime before 1816. I believe the close proximity of these families (evident in the 1820 census, see below) undoubtedly links this Abraham Varvel back to Woodford County. Abraham Varvel married Peggy Righthouse on Mar 28, 1816 in Jefferson County. I believe this was the widow of Thomas Righthouse, who married Peggy Stucker in Woodford County in October of 1792. It appears that Stucker wasn’t her maiden name either as she was probably the Peggy who married David Stucker (son of Jacob and Eve Stucker). David Stucker was killed in 1790 at “Harmar’ s Defeat”, survived by his wife Peggy and one son. The Stucker family in Woodford County is relatively well-documented, and appear to all be children of one of the two Stucker brothers who were killed in 1780 at Grant’s Station - George and Margaret Stucker or Jacob and Eve Stucker. Importantly, there is no known daughter named Margaret (Peggy), so David’s widow would have been the only Peggy Stucker in all of Kentucky. Alternatively, it’s possible that George and Margaret did have a daughter named Margaret that Stucker researchers just don’t know about. In either case the fact that in Indiana Abraham and Peggy were living among the same Stuckers (Peggy’s cousin-in-laws or brothers) strongly supports this. It appears that all of the Stuckers who settled in Jefferson County were sons of George Stucker and his widow Margaret, who was granted land with Eve on Glens Creek, right where the Varvels were found (and very close to the Gudgels). Listed on the 1816 Jefferson County Tax list were George and Margaret’s sons Michael, Jacob, Henry, and John (the John who married Rebeccah Casteel in 1792 and was bondsman for the marriage of Henry Varvel and Sarah Casteel in 1801), and David (son of John), William (son of Jacob), and Willis (son of Henry). Michael, Jacob, and Henry all spent their lives in Jefferson, though John resettled in Bartholomew County before his death. [Note – when Michael Stucker died in Jefferson County in 1830 his will (Book C-276) named a James Glover as executor]. Also closely associated with the Varvels and Stuckers back in Woodford was the Gudgel family. Daniel Gudgel (a son of Andrew) and two of his sons – Stephen and Isaac, as well as a Dave Gudgel were all listed on the 1816 Jefferson County tax list. In 1815 an Abraham Gudgel had died, though no heirs are named (probably another son of Andrew). In 1819 Daniel died and named all of his children. An except from the 1820 Jefferson County census (p.278) clearly shows the proximity of Abraham Varvel and the Stuckers / Gudgels: Henry Stucker 231111-11100 Isaac Gudgel 000010-20100 Samuel Stucker 200100-10100 Abraham Varval 210010-20110 John Snider 230010-11010 Mahlan Gudgel 000100-00100 James Anderson 220110-21010 John Stucker 010101-10201 Jacob Samples 100001-21001 Joshua Phillips 220001-01001 James McClellan 100001-00101 Thomas Acre 110010-21010 Nathan Gudgel 000100-10010 Stephen Gudgel 210010-01010 [Note – there were also a few Samples in Woodford during the 1790’s]. The only clues about possible children of Abraham come from the 1820 census, when Abraham and Margaret’s family consisted of him (age 26-45) and her (age 26-45), as well as 3 boys (ages 10-15, <10, <10) and 3 girls (ages 16-25, <10, <10). Obviously, most (if not all) of these children came from previous marriages. One possibility is that these were the children of Thomas Righthouse, and that they kept that name. This may be supported by the observation that no other Varvels are ever mentioned in Jefferson County after 1824, though the Righthouse name proliferates... -Steve Varvel -----Original Message----- From: Vivian Gudgell [mailto:V.Gudgell@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:56 AM To: Gudgel-list Subject: RE: Jacob Stucker_Sarah Gudshall marriage Hi everyone, I belong to "The Descendants of Michael Stocker (1700-1750), the Palatine" mailing list and they recently discussed the marriage of Elizabeth Wrighthouse. About a year ago Pat Agnew had gone to the Jefferson Indiana courthouse and copied the page that contained Nathaniel Gudgell's marriage record to Rachel Chasteen . On that page were two Stucker marriages, so I shared the document with the Stucker list. Below is the conversation that took place about Jacob Stucker, Jr. and Elizabeth Housewright. If you follow the thread of the conversation you will see that it involves the marriage of Jacob Stucker Sr. and our Sarah Gudshall, Andrew's daughter. Vivian Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:07:05 -0800 From: Dianne To: Steve Varvel Subject: Re: Daniel Gudgel? Steve, Excellent synopsis of your research! I have one question though--how have you arrived at the conclusion that Daniel was the son of Old Andrew Gudgel? None of the rest of us have been able to confirm that. We know he was in Fayette Co, PA in the 1770-80s? along with Andrew Sr (and Jr too, we believe). And then he had children who married in Woodford Co, KY in the 1790s and seemed to have moved back and forth from PA to Ky twice. I am recalling this all from memory so others may want to correct me. Anything you can add would be wonderful. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Steve Varvel wrote: >Hi Vivian, > >I read with interest your post about Jacob Stucker and Elizabeth From: "Steve Varvel" To: "Dianne" Subject: RE: Daniel Gudgel? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:34:16 -0400 Hi Dianne, Sorry about that, a sloppy mistake. I have no more information on Daniel that what you folks have been mulling around for years. When I first started this I noticed some of the same Daniel Andrew links you mentioned and went under the working assumption that he was probably a son. Later after following what you and others on this list had to say I agree that we cant prove that. I should have changed that sentence in what I sent out but I missed it. In fact (I apologize but I'm also working from memory) isnt Daniel too old to be a son of Andrew? I seem to remember that there was an even older Andrew living near Frederick Gudgel back in Bucks Co that seemed somehow associated with Frederick's family (perhaps a brother) and thinking that perhaps Daniel was a younger cousin of your "Old Andrew". Pure speculation, but it's clear that Daniel was related to Andrews family somehow. Sorry to raise your hopes.... Steve Varvel -----Original Message----- From: Dianne [mailto:dianneholmes@alaska.net] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:07 PM To: Steve Varvel Cc: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Daniel Gudgel? Steve, Excellent synopsis of your research! I have one question though--how have you arrived at the conclusion that Daniel was the son of Old Andrew Gudgel? None of the rest of us have been able to confirm that. We know he was in Fayette Co, PA in the 1770-80s? along with Andrew Sr (and Jr too, we believe). And then he had children who married in Woodford Co, KY in the 1790s and seemed to have moved back and forth from PA to Ky twice. I am recalling this all from memory so others may want to correct me. Anything you can add would be wonderful. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Steve Varvel wrote: >Hi Vivian, > >I read with interest your post about Jacob Stucker and Elizabeth >"Houseright". I bet that her name should be Righthouse, a guess that seems Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:38:18 -0800 From: Dianne To: Steve Varvel Subject: Re: Daniel Gudgel? We are sorry too because we would like to know the answer on Daniel. I think you are correct in saying that another older Andrew who might have been Frederick's brother was discovered in PA in the early yrs. We need to keep that in our memory as we do more research. Wonder if we can find HIS will or family information. Maybe he moved on to somewhere else and he is lost to us? Yes, we know for sure Daniel was related somehow to Old Andrew because once or twice he bailed Andrew jr or sr out of trouble and jail according to court dockets in PA. Keep digging--all of you. Dianne Steve Varvel wrote: >Hi Dianne, > >Sorry about that, a sloppy mistake. I have no more information on Daniel >that what you folks have been mulling around for years. When I first started From: aap109@webtv.net (Ardath Potts) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:29:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Gudgel/Crossman connection In March of 2005 Linda put a post from the Payne message boards on our list. I made a copy of this post. It was posted by Jo Payne-Pierce. She indicated that in the 1880 census John A. Crossman and Mary (Gudgel) were in Antelope, TX. They then had a girl, Mary A., and a boy, Robert Wilmeth Crossman. This lady was also interested in getting information because her mother has spoons with fancy G's on the handles. ------------------------------------------- Also in the 1850 census of Livingston, Co., MO, , Mary A. Crossman , age 24, born KY, is listed in the home of John Gudgel 55 Farmer Real 300 B. KY Cynthia 43 KY Franklin 15 KY Lenora 13 KY Richard 7 MO Lova 5 MO Bruce 4 MO Mary A. Crossman 24 KY It looks like Mary was living with her parents in 1850 and her husband is unaccounted for - at least in the census. It's possible he had gone to scout out the situation in Texas. The Gudgels in my family did this in Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas. (Some stayed and some returned. My great granparents came back to Illinois. My grandmother was born in Arkansas on the return trip.) Also it appears that John and Cynthia were in Missouri as early as 1843, based on Richard's age and State of birth. I hope this helps a little. It's a beautiful fall day here in Quincy, Illinois. Our maple tree is turning a lovely shade of crimson red and mums are blooming everywhere. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Pension File Information: Joseph Gudgel (1843-1934) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:11:22 -0400 Pension file Information from Doyal Gudgel: Joseph Gudgel b. October 28, 1843, d. July 19, 1934 at 90 years, 8 = months and 21 days of age. Born in Jefferson Co., Indiana. Died in El = Dorado Springs, Cedar County, MO. Son of Jacob Gudgel who was born in = Kentucky and his mother was Margaret Stewart, who was born in Indiana. = Joseph is buried in the National Cemetery at Fort Scott, Kansas. At 18 years of age he enlisted in Co. H of the 99th Regt. of Infantry, = Illinois Volunteers for 3 years on August 12. 1862. He had hazel eyes, = light hair, light complexion and was 5' 5 3/8 " tall. He lived in = Kinderhook, Illinois and was mustered in at Florence, Illinois on August = 23, 1862. In January, 1863 he contracted the measles which put him in = the hospitals at Houston, MO and Ft. Gaines, Alabama. As a result of = this he was effected in his throat and lungs for the rest of his life to = a certain extent. Compared to what could have happened to him and to what happened to hundreds of thousands of civil war soldiers he = got off fairly lightly. The disease did not keep him out of the Regt. = for any extended length of time and he spent practically all of his army = life on duty with the outfit. He remained in the same outfit all of the = time except the original Co. H was transferred with Co. G and made into = a new company C. Although he did receive a disability pension for the = results of the Measles, it did not effect his long life as he lived past = the age of 90 years. For enlisting he was paid a bounty of $100. Col. A.C. Mather was the = Reg. Commander. On August 5, 1864 Joseph was detached and assigned to General Lawlers = Hq. and remained there about a year. He was discharge at Baton Rouge, = Louisiana July 31, 1865. On the 28th of July, 1887 he applied for the first time for an invalid = pension and was living at Boicourt,Linn County, Kansas, being 43 years = old. A friend of his and probably a neighbor named E.H. Mitchell = witnessed the application. Mitchell lived in LaCygne in the same = county. Joseph added information to the record May 13, 1898 when he filled out a = questionnaire from the pension office. In the form he recorded the fact = that he had married Mary E. Patterson September 4, 1867 in Mound = Station, Brown County, Illinois. Squire Lee performed the ceremony. = Today's atlas does not show Mound Station but the marriage certificate = is on file at the county seat which is Mt. Sterling. They had 3 children before Mary divorced Joseph June 30, 1897: Emma Florence b. June 14, 1868 (marr. an Ingham) Jenny May b. November, 1870 (marr. a Hackett) Charles D. b. December, 1872. One more time he filled out a questionaire from the Bureau of Pensions. = By now his memory of the dates of his children's birth had faded and he = could not remember. Also any records were said to have been burned in a = fire. However, all the children were still living, the youngest being = 45 years of age. This form was filled out April 26, 1915. He also = stated he did not marry again. His address at this time was Pittsburg, = Kansas, General Delivery. Again when he was 80 years of age and residing in Pittsburg, Kansas he = filled out an application for pension which did not add much to the = information already stated in previous applications. By now he had = forgotten he was discharged at Baton Rouge and stated Springfield = instead. It is obvious however, he was confusing the place the army = paid his way to after the discharge with his place of discharge. It = also divulges that he did some railroading in addition to farming. As = comes with age, his health was showing the effects. His signature also = showed it. The buddies he got to witness the declaration were = apparently quite elderly by the looks of their signatures also. His = pension certificate was 390 818 which was his original number. This = declaration was made out January 8, 1924. The final form in the file of Joseph Gudgel was the Missouri State Death = Certificate which gave the information about age at time of death and = parent's names. Copy of death certificate states he died in Cedar County, Eldorado = Springs, Kansas on July 19, 1934, male, white, widowed, cause of death: = myocardial degeneration. Informant: J. Ingham, Ft. Scott, Kansas *************************************************************************= ***************** Various census records for this family: 1880 Census-Paris, Linn Co., Kansas page 78-B Gudgell, Joseph, self, married, male, white, 35, b. OH, Farmer, fa. b. = Indiana, mo. b. Indiana Mary, wife, married, female, white, 30, b. Illinois, Keeping House, fa. = b. Illinois, mo. b. Illinois Emma, daughter, single, female, white, 12, b. Kansas, At Home, fa. b. = Ohio, mo. b. Illinois Jennie, daughter, single, female, white, 10, b. Kansas, At School, fa. = b. Ohio, mo. b. Illinois Charles, son, single, male, white, 7, b. Kansas, fa. b. Ohio, mo. b. = Illinois Elizabeth, mother, widowed, female, white, 65, b. Indiana, no occupation (note: Joseph's mother was was Margaret Stewart Gudgel- maybe her = middle name was Elizabeth?) 1900 Census, Cherokee, Galena, Kansas South Main Street, June 8, 1900, pg. 235, L-80 Gudgel, Joseph, yardman, white male, b. Oct. 1847, age 52, single, b. = IN, fa. b. KY, mo. b. KY 1910 Census, Crawford Co., Kansas pg. 156, 2 Pct., April 20, 1910, 4-WD Pittsburg, E. 6th Street. L-52, = 612/58/69 Gudgel, Joseph, male, white, 66, wd (widowed?), b. KY, fa. b. KY, mo. b. = KY, Occupation: Restaurant 2 Roomers, Charles 21 and Daniel 17 __?___, both work same, both male, = white, both b. IL. fas. b. IN and mo. b. OH 1920-Joseph not found in Census records. 1920 Census, Bourbon Co., Kansas ( Daughter Emma's family) January 2, 1920, 2-WD Fort Scott, L-60, page 30 Ingham, Harry, head, male, white, 57, marr., b. WV, fa. b. Eng., mo. b. = Eng., Plumber-own busniess Emma, wife, female, white, 52, marr., b. IL, fa. b. IN, mo. b. IL Blanche, daughter, female, white, 30, single, b. KS, fa. b. Eng., mo. b. = IL, Teacher-City School Ralph, son, male, white, 27, single, b. KS, fa. b. WV. mo. b. IL, = Plumber Florence, daughter, female, white, 23, single, b. KS, fa. b. WV, mo. b. = IL, Teacher Gudgel, Mary, mother-in-law, female, white, 70, single, b. IL, fa. b. = KY, mo. b. KY From: aap109@webtv.net (Ardath Potts) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Gudgel/Crossman connection It has occurred to me also that John A. Crossman may have been seeking his fortune in California during the 1949 Gold Rush and that this could be the reason he does not appear in the 1850 Missouri census. Just a thought! Ardath Potts From: aap109@webtv.net (Ardath Potts) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:29:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Gudgel/Crossman connection In March of 2005 Linda put a post from the Payne message boards on our list. I made a copy of this post. It was posted by Jo Payne-Pierce. She indicated that in the 1880 census John A. Crossman and Mary (Gudgel) were in Antelope, TX. They then had a girl, Mary A., and a boy, Robert Wilmeth Crossman. This lady was also interested in getting information because her mother has spoons with fancy G's on the handles. ------------------------------------------- Also in the 1850 census of Livingston, Co., MO, , Mary A. Crossman , age 24, born KY, is listed in the home of John Gudgel 55 Farmer Real 300 B. KY Cynthia 43 KY Franklin 15 KY Lenora 13 KY Richard 7 MO Lova 5 MO Bruce 4 MO Mary A. Crossman 24 KY It looks like Mary was living with her parents in 1850 and her husband is unaccounted for - at least in the census. It's possible he had gone to scout out the situation in Texas. The Gudgels in my family did this in Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas. (Some stayed and some returned. My great granparents came back to Illinois. My grandmother was born in Arkansas on the return trip.) Also it appears that John and Cynthia were in Missouri as early as 1843, based on Richard's age and State of birth. I hope this helps a little. It's a beautiful fall day here in Quincy, Illinois. Our maple tree is turning a lovely shade of crimson red and mums are blooming everywhere. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Census entry- who is this Gudgel? Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:43:13 -0400 Hi Folks- I ran across this entry in the census records in 1860. Can someone tell = me who this is? 1860 Census, Putnam Co., Illinois, Hennepin Twp. pg. 466, line 33, 151/151 Gudgel, S.G., age 72, male, $1200. real estate, $500. personal, Farmer, = b. PA Sarah, age 73, female, b. PA Unknown, John, age 36, male, farm laborer, b. Ireland Neighbors on either side are David Thomas and S. (Harow?). It's not Shelby Graylin Gudgel. Who could this be? Thanks, Linda Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:16:37 -0700 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Census entry- who is this Gudgel? To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Hello, I believe this is=20 Stephen b. 1787, s/o Daniel and Rachel Sarah b. 1786 d/o Evan Phillips and Mary Harlan David Thomas is son-in-law of Isaac s/o Daniel. I visited Illinois this summer and have pictures of Stephen and Sarah's = tombstone. It is a beautiful arch about six feet tall with the names on = each pillar.=20 Mary and Jacob Bowman and Thornton B. Gudgell are in the same plot. They = are buried in Mt. Bloom Cemetery, Tiskilwa, Bureau, Illinois. Vivian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Census entry- who is this Gudgel? Hi Folks- I ran across this entry in the census records in 1860. Can someone = tell me who this is? 1860 Census, Putnam Co., Illinois, Hennepin Twp. pg. 466, line 33, 151/151 Gudgel, S.G., age 72, male, $1200. real estate, $500. personal, = Farmer, b. PA Sarah, age 73, female, b. PA Unknown, John, age 36, male, farm laborer, b. Ireland Neighbors on either side are David Thomas and S. (Harow?). It's not Shelby Graylin Gudgel. Who could this be? Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Census entry- who is this Gudgel? Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:04:42 -0400 Thank you Vivian, again. You always come through for us! I have all this data on Daniel Gudgel's line but have never added him to = my database....have been waiting till we had something certain on where = he fits. =20 I guess I should add him as a line all his own till I know for sure = because I keep missing out on placing his descendants. If someone wants = to share Daniel's line with me I would be most happy to add him. I am = sure I have gaps and holes to be filled in from what I have. =20 Stephen- I remember us discussing the middle name of Shelby G. Gudgel. I think = we had Grayson, Graylin and Grafton and that we had decided it was = Graylin?? Did we have documentation that it was Grafton for sure? Will be happy = to change it if this is so. Thanks, Linda from Kentucky- Beautiful fall weather. Color coming out in the leaves, Keeneland race = meet in progress, mums and pumpkins in abundance. Cool evenings and = wonderfully warm days. I believe someone said today there was a hint of = frost this morning. Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:50:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Gudgel Subject: Re: Census entry- who is this Gudgel? To: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Hi Linda, The last word I got on it when we were going over it with Mia was that we would go with what my aunt had said, because she said her grandmother, my great-grandmother Melissa, always called him Grafton. Apparently that is the name he went by, rather than Shelby, so I think it is unlikely she would say Grafton from memory if it was something else. If anybody found a grave with the full name spelled out or anything, I don't know about it. We were going by the civil war letters he wrote and trying to figure out what the signature said and we all agreed, I think, that it could just as well have been Grafton, and since that's what Aunt Ruth called him, I'd say that is right. If anybody has other information I haven't seen, please let me know. Does anybody else remember discussing this? I know Mia will. And I think Vivian was in on it too. Stephen Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: Thank you Vivian, again. You always come through for us! I have all this data on Daniel Gudgel's line but have never added him to my database....have been waiting till we had something certain on where he fits. I guess I should add him as a line all his own till I know for sure because I keep missing out on placing his descendants. If someone wants to share Daniel's line with me I would be most happy to add him. I am sure I have gaps and holes to be filled in from what I have. Stephen- I remember us discussing the middle name of Shelby G. Gudgel. I think we had Grayson, Graylin and Grafton and that we had decided it was Graylin?? Did we have documentation that it was Grafton for sure? Will be happy to change it if this is so. Thanks, Linda from Kentucky- Beautiful fall weather. Color coming out in the leaves, Keeneland race meet in progress, mums and pumpkins in abundance. Cool evenings and wonderfully warm days. I believe someone said today there was a hint of frost this morning. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Florida Gudgel's in path of Hurricane Wilma Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:03:42 -0400 Hi Folks- I spoke with my brother, Windy Gudgel, last night. He and his wife, = Nancy, are in Moore Haven, FL which is on the west side of Lake = Ockechobee in central FL. He said they were "hunkered down" and waiting = it out. He owns and operates Ortona Tug and Towing so he has secured = the barges and boats the best he can. I think he did say he had moved = one of the tugs to a safer canal. Storm was to come in about 5:00 a.m. = this morning. =20 I have heard the phrase "hunkered down" a lot through this storm. Just = seems strange. I thought "hunker" was a Kentucky word . =20 Will keep you posted as I know more. What about our other Gudgel = cousins? Connie, both Ed's, Duba and Jeanette? Any word on them? Let's keep these folks and their families in our thoughts and prayers = for their safety. =20 Linda from Kentucky grateful to be inland this a.m. Heavy frost. =20 From: egudgel@comcast.net To: Rich.Gudgel@noaa.gov (Rich Gudgel), pgudgel@earthlink.net (patricia gudgel), jeg2@cox.net (John E. Gudgel), Rich.Gudgel@noaa.gov (Rich Gudgel) Cc: isaiah43_1@webtv.net (Virginia & Bob Skoney), bgudg@suscom.net (robert gudgel), grantcarman@comcast.net (Grant Carman), gudgel-list@eskimo.com (Gudgel list all gudgels) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:56:10 +0000 <> From: "Connie" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Florida Gudgel's in path of Hurricane Wilma Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:02:02 -0400 We are home again and everything in Punta Gorda is fine. We had no = damage at all but lots of water everywhere. Our ponds are all over the = top from all the rain. We were very lucky this time. Hope all the = cousins in Ft Lauderdale area and Miami are OK too. I think they got it = worse this time. Let us know how you are. Connie Phillips Punta Gorda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:03 AM Subject: Florida Gudgel's in path of Hurricane Wilma Hi Folks- I spoke with my brother, Windy Gudgel, last night. He and his wife, = Nancy, are in Moore Haven, FL which is on the west side of Lake = Ockechobee in central FL. He said they were "hunkered down" and waiting = it out. He owns and operates Ortona Tug and Towing so he has secured = the barges and boats the best he can. I think he did say he had moved = one of the tugs to a safer canal. Storm was to come in about 5:00 a.m. = this morning. =20 I have heard the phrase "hunkered down" a lot through this storm. = Just seems strange. I thought "hunker" was a Kentucky word . =20 Will keep you posted as I know more. What about our other Gudgel = cousins? Connie, both Ed's, Duba and Jeanette? Any word on them? Let's keep these folks and their families in our thoughts and prayers = for their safety. =20 Linda from Kentucky grateful to be inland this a.m. Heavy frost. =20 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Africa TODAY - my daughter To: abirchler16@yahoo.com The Political and the Personal This is an excerpt-turn-open-letter from a letter I wrote to friends back in the States. I thought other PCV’s might be able to relate. Is anyone else encountering this? Things are kinda rough here now. There was another death today – this time a woman named Aminata who died of “disease.” When I asked which disease the old men laughed; helplessly, I think. No one knows which disease. She never went to the local clinic (in Blendio – 7 km away) because there was no money to bring her. I suspect any disease could have killed her and others, at this point. Kossoumbugu has been in a state of food-shortage since July. Last year’s drought meant poor turnouts of millet and cotton. Cotton is the cash crop but it brought in very little cash this year. Millet and corn are the subsistence foods, but there was not enough to “subsist” on this year. So people used their tiny incomes from cotton to buy millet from neighboring villagers. But then that ran out. And so people went into debt, buying expensive rice, because the millet and corn are entirely gone. Or some people rationed the last of the crops, eating half-meals or not feeding the kids at all. The kids scavenge in the fields for anything edible. They eat tree pods and dirt. They get weaker and weaker. And it is difficult to point to any one death and say, “He died of hunger.” Because people are not starving to death, per se. But they are dying nonetheless. Their bodies are pushed to the edge and then, well, they fail. The chief of my village died in September. He was a mischievous old man who teased me often. They say he died of “disease” as well. A woman died in childbirth last week. Her infant died as well. And Sali, my sister, says many children have died recently. No one even bothers reporting their deaths to me. There are no funerals or guests from neighboring villages to mark their passing. This is extreme poverty, as Sachs writes about, as development economics debate about. This is the bottom 15% of the world’s economic rungs. I feel like it is just now sinking in. Funny, huh? And we weren’t even hit as badly as Northern Mali or Niger. In addition to the drought, locusts attacked them last year. They were devastated. An entire year’s food and income were destroyed. I’ve been reading books recently that, coupled with the famine, make me furious with the injustice of it all. “Mountains Beyond Mountains” by Tracy Kidder. “The End of Poverty” by Jeffery Sachs. They write about the 20,000 people who die every day because of diseases that are entirely treatable and preventable. They write about what the rich world does (and does not do) to change the situation. Did you know the entire world (rich nations, IMF, World Bank, and WHO included) give less than $1 billion a year to fight malaria and HIV/AIDS in Africa? To put that in perspective, the US is spending $5 billion per month in Iraq right now. Or, to put that in another perspective, my good friend Masita lost another child to malaria last year because her family cannot afford the $10 it costs to buy a mosquito net, much less the money to buy medicines (readily available only 7 km away.) For the first time since I arrived in Mali I feel acutely aware of how amazingly difficult life is here. In a nearby village a man tried to kill himself by drinking pesticides because he did not have food to feed his family. My sister pounds millet for hours a day even as she, herself, is infected with malaria. When I had malaria I could not gather the energy to put on clothes. As for hunger, I used to complain because I was sick of the monotony of â€to.’ It never occurred to me that there would come a time when even â€to’ was limited. It is one thing to say, “People are dying. Masita’s baby died. Children are eating dirt and stealing PCV’s dog food because they are so malnourished. There is no money. There is no food. There are no medicines.” It is another thing to realize, “People are dying. They have no money, food, or medicine because in the past 4 decades, under guidance of the IMF and World Bank, Africa has actually become poorer, increasing (in both real numbers and percent of the population) the population living in extreme poverty, unable to even begin capital accumulation because all income (even that measured in millet) is needed to survive. And often is it not even enough to survive, never mind begin the necessary cycle of savings, investment or trade needed for economic growth.” And yet in the 1980s and 1990s the IMF and World Bank saw fit to order “structural adjustment” that demanded public spending be cut in developing nations. This resulted in an end to free health care and education. The IMF policies were based on theoretical assumptions that had never been tested in the rich world. They had never been tested because, go figure, in the developed world the population demanded free education and access to medicine. So why not try these policies out in Africa, where no one has the power to complain? And when these policies succeeded in creating no growth (or negative growth, as is the case in Mali, with negative .5% GDP per capita “growth” in the past 20 years) the nations are still saddled with IMF debt. “Remember that damn we built that displaced thousands, increased malaria cases, provided electricity only to the political elite, and made no impact whatsoever on the GDP or standard of living of your people? Well, you owe us $6 billion dollars for that.” Meanwhile the IMF is too busy ordering budget cuts to invest any money at all into malaria or HIV/AIDS programs. And despite the Monterrey consensus (2002), where the rich countries agreed to increase aid to $175 billion (up from $53 billion) in actuality world donations have decreased over the past few years. The United States currently spends $15 billion a year on foreign aid. They spend $450 billion a year on the military. All this on its own would have been enough to enrage me. And the death and poverty surrounding me would have been enough to upset me. But the combination of reading these facts and figures, and then going to eat from half-full bowls of millet, and being informed of Aminata’s death over dinner . . . it makes me numb. So things are rough right now. It is like taking an economic course where you’re told, “due to unfortunate geographical location, a climate ideal for malarial mosquitoes, a drought, a century of colonization, Regan-era IMF policies, a lack of access to international markets (both physically and figuratively), cotton subsidies in the West, and a bunch of promises of aid that never came through, you will not get dinner tonight. And tomorrow your best friend’s baby will die. Don’t forget the exam on Friday!” And, to transfer from the political to the personal, I just want to hide from my village at this point because their problems are so big, and I can offer next to nothing. How can I even pretend to “belong” in a society like this? I am more educated then the mayor of my commune (the new one . . . the old one died last month.) I am richer than the village put together. I lost ONE friend to a water-related disease in America (Simon, my college buddy, who died of dengue fever a year and a half ago) and I nearly fell apart. How do I now deal with the realization my entire village is on the brink of survival? And why did it take me a year and a half to see it? And Christina, my best friend in Swaziland, lives in a society where 46% of the adult population has HIV/AIDS. We’ve spent the past two years in communities literally dying before our eyes. We speak of “sustainability” to communities that do not have the ability to sustain themselves. We live in a continent that makes up less than 1 % of global GDP. No wonder we feel helpless and useless. Quick, try and reverse centuries of exploitation, decades of bad policies, climates rife for disease, patriarchal oppression of women, and the landlocked position of your country! And do it in two years, using no money, in a language you barely understand! Ready . . . GO! There must be solutions but they are difficult to see from where I am standing now. Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN c/o Helaina Hinson Burton 69 Gray Ghost Lane Benson NC 27504 (919) 934-6323 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:34:22 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: Badger Subject: New email address I give up. After 10 years with this email address I quit. I just paid for a year too. I am being spammed out of existence. Please change my email address to lfp2@comcast.net I will keep eskimo but not respond to e mail there. Let the mail box fill up and bounce the mail. Anyone with a better idea? Doyal Gudgel Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:47:19 -0800 From: lfp2 Reply-To: lfp2@comcast.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Gudgel List Subject: New address I am going to switch instead of fight Old address ralphj@eskimo.com Please send any emals from now on to lfp2@comcast.net Hopefulliy my new one subscribed ok. Doyal Gudgel. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Joseph Gudgel-(1843-1934) Pension File Information Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:06:16 -0500 Pension file Information from Doyal Gudgel: Joseph Gudgel b. October 28, 1843, d. July 19, 1934 at 90 years, 8 = months and 21 days of age. Born in Jeffeson Co., Indiana. Died in El = Dorado Springs, Cedar County, MO. Son of Jacob Gudgel who was born in = Kentucky and his mother was Margaret Stewart, who was born in Indiana. = Joseph is buried in the National Cemetery at Fort Scott, Kansas. At 18 years of age he enlisted in Co. H of the 99th Regt. of Infantry, = Illinois Volunteers for 3 years on August 12. 1862. He had hazel eyes, = light hair, light complexion and was 5' 5 3/8 " tall. He lived in = Kinderhook, Illinois and was mustered in at Florence, Illinois on August = 23, 1862. In January, 1863 he contracted the measles which put him in = the hospitals at Houston, MO and Ft. Gaines, Alabama. As a result of = this he was effected in his throat and lungs for the rest of his life to = a certain extent. Compared to what could have happened to him and to what happened to hundreds of thousands of civil war soldiers he = got off fairly lightly. The disease did not keep him out of the Regt. = for any extended length of time and he spent practically all of his army = life on duty with the outfit. He remained in the same outfit all of the = time except the original Co. H was transferred with Co. G and made into = a new company C. Although he did receive a disability pension for the = results of the Measles, it did not effect his long life as he lived past = the age of 90 years. For enlisting he was paid a bounty of $100. Col. A.C. Mather was the = Reg. Commander. On August 5, 1864 Joseph was detached and assigned to General Lawlers = Hq. and remained there about a year. He was discharge at Baton Rouge, = Louisiana July 31, 1865. On the 28th of July, 1887 he applied for the first time for an invalid = pension and was living at Boicourt,Linn County, Kansas, being 43 years = old. A friend of his and probably a neighbor named E.H. Mitchell = witnessed the application. Mitchell lived in LaCygne in the same = county. Joseph added information to the record May 13, 1898 when he filled out a = questionnaire from the pension office. In the form he recorded the fact = that he had married Mary E. Patterson September 4, 1867 in Mound = Station, Brown County, Illinois. Squire Lee performed the ceremony. = Today's atlas does not show Mound Station but the marriage certificate = is on file at the county seat which is Mt. Sterling. They had 3 children before Mary divorced Joseph June 30, 1897: Emma Florence b. June 14, 1868 (marr. an Ingham) Jenny May b. November, 1870 (marr. a Hackett) Charles D. b. December, 1872. One more time he filled out a questionnaire from the Bureau of Pensions. = By now his memory of the dates of his children's birth had faded and he = could not remember. Also any records were said to have been burned in a = fire. However, all the children were still living, the youngest being = 45 years of age. This form was filled out April 26, 1915. He also = stated he did not marry again. His address at this time was Pittsburg, = Kansas, General Delivery. Again when he was 80 years of age and residing in Pittsburg, Kansas he = filled out an application for pension which did not add much to the = information already stated in previous applications. By now he had = forgotten he was discharged at Baton Rouge and stated Springfield = instead. It is obvious however, he was confusing the place the army = paid his way to after the discharge with his place of discharge. It = also divulges that he did some railroading in addition to farming. As = comes with age, his health was showing the effects. His signature also = showed it. The buddies he got to witness the declaration were = apparently quite elderly by the looks of their signatures also. His = pension certificate was 390 818 which was his original number. This = declaration was made out January 8, 1924. The final form in the file of Joseph Gudgel was the Missouri State Death = Certificate which gave the information about age at time of death and = parent's names. Copy of death certificate states he died in Cedar County, Eldorado = Springs, Kansas on July 19, 1934, male, white, widowed, cause of death: = myocardial degeneration. Informant: J. Ingham, Ft. Scott, Kansas. *************************************************************************= ****************************************************************** Notes from Linda: 1880 Census-Paris, Linn Co., Kansas page 78-B Gudgell, Joseph, self, married, male, white, 35, b. OH, Farmer, fa. b. = Indiana, mo. b. Indiana Mary, wife, married, female, white, 30, b. Illinois, Keeping House, fa. = b. Illinois, mo. b. Illinois Emma, daughter, single, female, white, 12, b. Kansas, At Home, fa. b. = Ohio, mo. b. Illinois Jennie, daughter, single, female, white, 10, b. Kansas, At School, fa. = b. Ohio, mo. b. Illinois Charles, son, single, male, white, 7, b. Kansas, fa. b. Ohio, mo. b. = Illinois Elizabeth, mother, widowed, female, white, 65, b. Indiana, no occupation 1900 Census, Cherokee, Galena, Kansas South Main Street, June 8, 1900, pg. 235, L-80 Gudgel, Joseph, yardman, white male, b. Oct. 1847, age 52, single, b. = IN, fa. b. KY, mo. b. KY 1910 Census, Crawford Co., Kansas pg. 156, 2 Pct., April 20, 1910, 4-WD Pittsburg, E. 6th Street. L-52, = 612/58/69 Gudgel, Joseph, male, white, 66, wd (widowed?), b. KY, fa. b. KY, mo. b. = KY, Occupation: Restaurant 2 Roomers, Charles 21 and Daniel 17 __?___, both work same, both male, = white, both b. IL. fa.. b. IN and mo. b. OH 1920-Joseph not found in Census records. 1920 Census, Bourbon Co., Kansas January 2, 1920, 2-WD Fort Scott, L-60, page 30 Ingham, Harry, head, male, white, 57, marr., b. WV, fa. b. Eng., mo. b. = Eng., Plumber-own business Emma, wife, female, white, 52, marr., b. IL, fa. b. IN, mo. b. IL Blanche, daughter, female, white, 30, single, b. KS, fa. b. Eng., mo. b. = IL, Teacher-City School Ralph, son, male, white, 27, single, b. KS, fa. b. WV. mo. b. IL, = Plumber Florence, daughter, female, white, 23, single, b. KS, fa. b. WV, mo. b. = IL, Teacher Gudgel, Mary, mother-in-law, female, white, 70, single, b. IL, fa. b. = KY, mo. b. KY Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 12:13:50 -0800 From: lfp2 To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Joseph Gudgel-(1843-1934) Pension File Information We should all give Linda a vote of thanks for taking my rough notes of the military and pension records of these Civil war vets and making sense out of them. I went over all the records and put down what it meant in plain language However my notes were typed with a typewriter without corrective ability so there were many errors and other failures. So although it may look simple what she had done is a is a huge job and I appreciate it immensely. Doyal. Gudgel Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Pension file Information from Doyal Gudgel: > > Joseph Gudgel b. October 28, 1843, d. July 19, 1934 at 90 years, 8 > months and 21 days of age. Born in Jeffeson Co., Indiana. Died in El > Dorado Springs, Cedar County, MO. Son of Jacob Gudgel who was born in > Kentucky and his mother was Margaret Stewart, who was born in > Indiana. Joseph is buried in the National Cemetery at Fort Scott, Kansas. > > At 18 years of age he enlisted in Co. H of the 99th Regt. of > Infantry, Illinois Volunteers for 3 years on August 12. 1862. He had > hazel eyes, light hair, light complexion and was 5' 5 3/8 " tall. He > lived in Kinderhook, Illinois and was mustered in at Florence, > Illinois on August 23, 1862. In January, 1863 he contracted the > measles which put him in the hospitals at Houston, MO and Ft. Gaines, > Alabama. As a result of this he was effected in his throat and lungs > for the rest of his life to a certain extent. Compared to what could > have happened to him > and to what happened to hundreds of thousands of civil war soldiers > he got off fairly lightly. The disease did not keep him out of the > Regt. for any extended length of time and he spent practically all of > his army life on duty with the outfit. He remained in the same outfit > all of the time except the original Co. H was transferred with Co. G > and made into a new company C. Although he did receive a disability > pension for the results of the Measles, it did not effect his long > life as he lived past the age of 90 years. > > For enlisting he was paid a bounty of $100. Col. A.C. Mather was the > Reg. Commander. > On August 5, 1864 Joseph was detached and assigned to General Lawlers > Hq. and remained there about a year. He was discharge at Baton Rouge, > Louisiana July 31, 1865. > > On the 28th of July, 1887 he applied for the first time for an invalid > pension and was living at Boicourt,Linn County, Kansas, being 43 > years old. A friend of his and probably a neighbor named E.H. > Mitchell witnessed the application. Mitchell lived in LaCygne in the > same county. > > Joseph added information to the record May 13, 1898 when he filled out > a questionnaire from the pension office. In the form he recorded the > fact that he had married Mary E. Patterson September 4, 1867 in Mound > Station, Brown County, Illinois. Squire Lee performed the ceremony. > Today's atlas does not show Mound Station but the marriage certificate > is on file at the county seat which is Mt. Sterling. > They had 3 children before Mary divorced Joseph June 30, 1897: > Emma Florence b. June 14, 1868 (marr. an Ingham) > Jenny May b. November, 1870 (marr. a Hackett) > Charles D. b. December, 1872. > > One more time he filled out a questionnaire from the Bureau of > Pensions. By now his memory of the dates of his children's birth had > faded and he could not remember. Also any records were said to have > been burned in a fire. However, all the children were still living, > the youngest being 45 years of age. This form was filled out April > 26, 1915. He also stated he did not marry again. His address at this > time was Pittsburg, Kansas, General Delivery. > > Again when he was 80 years of age and residing in Pittsburg, Kansas he > filled out an application for pension which did not add much to the > information already stated in previous applications. By now he had > forgotten he was discharged at Baton Rouge and stated Springfield > instead. It is obvious however, he was confusing the place the army > paid his way to after the discharge with his place of discharge. It > also divulges that he did some railroading in addition to farming. As > comes with age, his health was showing the effects. His signature > also showed it. The buddies he got to witness the declaration were > apparently quite elderly by the looks of their signatures also. His > pension certificate was 390 818 which was his original number. This > declaration was made out January 8, 1924. > > The final form in the file of Joseph Gudgel was the Missouri State > Death Certificate which gave the information about age at time of > death and parent's names. > > Copy of death certificate states he died in Cedar County, Eldorado > Springs, Kansas on July 19, 1934, male, white, widowed, cause of > death: myocardial degeneration. Informant: J. Ingham, Ft. Scott, Kansas. > ******************************************************************************************************************************************* > Notes from Linda: > > 1880 Census-Paris, Linn Co., Kansas > page 78-B > Gudgell, Joseph, self, married, male, white, 35, b. OH, Farmer, fa. b. > Indiana, mo. b. Indiana > Mary, wife, married, female, white, 30, b. Illinois, Keeping House, > fa. b. Illinois, mo. b. Illinois > Emma, daughter, single, female, white, 12, b. Kansas, At Home, fa. b. > Ohio, mo. b. Illinois > Jennie, daughter, single, female, white, 10, b. Kansas, At School, fa. > b. Ohio, mo. b. Illinois > Charles, son, single, male, white, 7, b. Kansas, fa. b. Ohio, mo. b. > Illinois > Elizabeth, mother, widowed, female, white, 65, b. Indiana, no occupation > > 1900 Census, Cherokee, Galena, Kansas > South Main Street, June 8, 1900, pg. 235, L-80 > Gudgel, Joseph, yardman, white male, b. Oct. 1847, age 52, single, b. > IN, fa. b. KY, mo. b. KY > > 1910 Census, Crawford Co., Kansas > pg. 156, 2 Pct., April 20, 1910, 4-WD Pittsburg, E. 6th Street. L-52, > 612/58/69 > Gudgel, Joseph, male, white, 66, wd (widowed?), b. KY, fa. b. KY, mo. > b. KY, Occupation: Restaurant > 2 Roomers, Charles 21 and Daniel 17 __?___, both work same, both male, > white, both b. IL. fa.. b. IN and mo. b. OH > > 1920-Joseph not found in Census records. > > 1920 Census, Bourbon Co., Kansas > January 2, 1920, 2-WD Fort Scott, L-60, page 30 > Ingham, Harry, head, male, white, 57, marr., b. WV, fa. b. Eng., mo. > b. Eng., Plumber-own business > Emma, wife, female, white, 52, marr., b. IL, fa. b. IN, mo. b. IL > Blanche, daughter, female, white, 30, single, b. KS, fa. b. Eng., mo. > b. IL, Teacher-City School > Ralph, son, male, white, 27, single, b. KS, fa. b. WV. mo. b. IL, Plumber > Florence, daughter, female, white, 23, single, b. KS, fa. b. WV, mo. > b. IL, Teacher > Gudgel, Mary, mother-in-law, female, white, 70, single, b. IL, fa. b. > KY, mo. b. KY > From: "William Gudgel" Subject: Tornado - Evansville, IN Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:04:05 -0800 Hello Cousins, If you are wondering, yes, a tornado did pass through our area at about 2:30 AM. From what I can see on the weather maps, the tornado came within one mile of our house but there was no damage to us or our property. They keep changing the death totals but it sounds like they have already confirmed about 22 deaths in Vanderburgh and Warrick County. There is a smaller town east Evansville, Vanderburgh County, IN where we live called Newburgh, Warrick County,, IN that received substantial damage. A state of emergency was called almost immediately for Warrick County and at about 8:30 AM a state of emergency was called for Vanderburgh County. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel Evansville, Indiana From: "nancy miller" To: "William Gudgel" , Subject: Re: Tornado - Evansville, IN Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:37:27 -0800 Thanks for giving us this on hand report. Early reports on our radio just said southwest Indiana. By now we have gotten much more of a picutre of the devastation in both the print and TV media. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Gudgel" To: "GUDGEL-list, e-mail conferencing" Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Tornado - Evansville, IN > Hello Cousins, > > If you are wondering, yes, a tornado did pass through our area at about 2:30 > AM. From what I can see on the weather maps, the tornado came within one > mile of our house but there was no damage to us or our property. > > They keep changing the death totals but it sounds like they have already > confirmed about 22 deaths in Vanderburgh and Warrick County. There is a > smaller town east Evansville, Vanderburgh County, IN where we live called > Newburgh, Warrick County,, IN that received substantial damage. A state of > emergency was called almost immediately for Warrick County and at about 8:30 > AM a state of emergency was called for Vanderburgh County. > > Have a great week, > Bill Gudgel > Evansville, Indiana > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:03:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: gudgel and google print I tried posting this the other day but I don't think it got through... Check out print.google.com and enter gudgel as the search term. few (limited at the present) books (including Dianne's) come up with Gudgel as authors or subjects. There's even an entry in an 1840s LDS history about a Jacob Gudgel. Also, while searching through google images, I see that Levin Gudgel, son of Andrew and Elvira (Wallace) Gudgel, who was raised on the "old Gudgel homestead" was mayor of Princeton Indiana from 1886 to 1888. http://www.princeton-indiana.com/pages/mayors/mayor_02_levin_gudgel.html Happy veterans day and Thanksgiving in advance. boB Rainy and cold in Everett Washington Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:16:53 -0800 From: lfp2 To: Bob Gudgel , Gudgel List , BilleySeved8@aol.com Subject: Re: Gudgel Family Archieves Hello you all. I always heard that there was an Indian in the woodpile but could never document it. People would look at my grandmother Emma Sarah Sevedge Gudgel and not ask if she were Indian but which tribe are you. I could not find an Indian record however. Now that there seems to be concrete evidence of this Indian connection I will post some pictures for Bob to put in the archives. I really hated to pack up my pictures and send them to Dianne but did not have room here at the apartment for them However I think I have them on the computer or CD, Stay tuned Doyal Gudgel Bob Gudgel wrote: >Hello Linda ! I'm very glad you emailed me. It has been a few years but >I have been to the Chowchilla Gudgel gathering before. I believe I met >Reva last time which was around 1996 or so. I guess it's been about >10 years then. My dad, Doyal Gudgel I think took me by Reva's and I think >it Uncle Billy ? Dad, you might remember. >Yes, very interested in Sevedge family history too. I'm sure Dianne, >(sister), is also. >I am verry interested in the Indian part of the Sevedge family. My dad, >Doyal Gudgel had talked about that many years ago but I thought there was >a dead end there. > >Let's also see if we can help you get a hold of Lisa. >Dad and Dianne, any ideas ? > >Thanks Linda ! >More soon I bet. > >boB Gudgel in Everett WA (real close to Bellevue) > > > >On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 BilleySeved8@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Hi Bob: My name is Linda Billey-Sevedge, I married Terry Douglas Sevedge, >>from Chowchilla, California. Terry passed away in March 2004. His parents >>were Royal and Lorene Sevedge, Royal's parents were Walter and Verlin Sevedge. >>Roy's sister, Reva Sevedge-Akens had quite a journal of the Sevedge family >>history and thought the Sevedges were of Chickasaw and Cherokee Indian heritage. >>Reva passed away in 2003, I hope her daughter Judy or son, Jack kept the >>journals. >> >>I attended the Sevedge-Gudgel Reunion last year at the Harris home in >>Chowchilla. >>It was nice to match faces with names that I have heard about all of these >>years. Apparently, Royal and his children were not very interested in learning >>about the family history. Auntie Reva keep us informed of her findings and >>since I am Choctaw Indian and have worked with the Bureau of Indian Affairs and >>the University of California, Santa Barbara where I taught American Indian >>Studies classes, I tried to support Reva to learn more to learn more about the >>Sevedge family. >> >>I just found your website while trying to locate Terry's daughter Lisa, from >>his first marriage to Sherry Finch. To my knowledge, Lisa doesn't know about >>her father's death and I have been searching for her for over a year with no >>luck. Terry's brother Larry Sevedge lives in Bellevue, Washington. I haven't >>heard from him since Terry's funeral. I believe he works at an elementary >>school in the Bellevue area. >> >>I find your family history very interesting, please let me know if I can be >>of any assistance in helping find out more about the Sevedge family. I have >>Judy Pitts and Jack Akens addresses (Reva's children). >> >>Sincerely, Linda Billey-Sevedge, Santa Maria, CA. >> BilleySeved8@aol.com >> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Obituary-Noell Edward Gudgel (1914-2005) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:35:29 -0500 Obituary-Lexington Herald-Leader, Lexington, KY, November 16, 2005: PARIS- Noel Edward Gudgel, 91, Cardinal Lane, retired owner of Gudgell's = Appliances, US Army Veteran of WWII, husband of Viola Lowry Gudgell died = Monday, November 14, 2005 at Bourbon Community Hospital. He was born = August 16, 1914 in Bath Co., KY, son of the late Odd and Nannie Bell = Garner Gudgell and was a graduate of Center Hill High School. Noel was = a member and deacon of First Christian Church, past president and long = time secretary of Paris Lions Club, and member and trustee of Bourbon = Lodge #23, I.O.O.F. He is also survived by a son, Charles Edward = Gudgell, Paris, sister-in-law, Joyce Lowry (Don) Witt, Lexington; and a = nephew, Robert Lewis (Joyce) Fields, Lexington. He was preceded in = death by two sisters, Gladys Gudgell and Mardys Fields. Funeral = services will be at 10:00 A.M. Thurs., November 17, at the First = Christian Church by Rev. Jeff Bell and Dr. Henry Hanna with interment in = the Lexington Cemetery. Casket bearers will be Matthew Harris, Phil = Witt, Craig Witt, Cheryl Witt, Wayne Lawry, Steve Lowry and Robert = Fields. Honorary bearers will be George Sidney Tate, Roger Lowry, = Ramon Lowry, Don Witt, Wayne Stocker, Jimmy Jones, Sam Scott, Bruce H, = Forsythe and Ricky Creech. Visitation will be 6-8 PM Wed. at the = Hinton-Turner Funeral Home. Memorial contributions are suggested to = First Christian Church Living Memorial Fund. Guestbook at Legacy.com *************************************************************************= ******************************************************************* This obituary appeared in this morning's Lexington Herald-Leader = newspaper. Noel's line of descent is: Noel Edward, Odd Samuel, George Henry, Woodson Bryan, Thomas Fletcher, = Allen, Andrew Jr., Andrew, Sr. Noel Gudgell was one of the cousins that I have intended to contact for = a long time and I am sorry to say I waited too long. I never met him or = talked to him. Shame on me. He was one of the few Gudgell's left in = Kentucky. I have missed an opportunity that I can't change. Maybe a = good lesson for us all. Linda from Kentucky cold and dark clouds (looks like snow?) coming. Winter is right here at = our door. But I have bought my turkey for Thanksgiving and am beginning = to get my menu together for the folks who will gather with us. How = about you other folks-who'se cooking, who'se traveling, or what other = plans do you have for Thanksgiving? Any old family traditions you'd = like to share? Let's hear from you! X-Sender: jeanninegudgel@hotmail.com From: "Jeannine Gudgel" To: lfp2@comcast.net, bgudgel@eskimo.com, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com, BilleySeved8@aol.com Subject: Re: Gudgel Family Archieves Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:33:33 -0800

Hello-

I was wondering if there was going to be a Gudgel Reunion in Chowchilla again this year?

My grandfather Marion Gudgel, used to talk about the reunions when I was young. My dad and I were thinking about attending the next one!

Thanks,

Jeannine Gudgel 

From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Happy Thanksgiving Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:22:29 -0500 To all of my Gudgel family. Hope you enjoy it. Linda from Kentucky Subject: Happy Thanksgiving=20 http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=3DME27190109 From BilleySeved8@aol.com Tue Nov 22 23:08:47 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:07:57 EST Subject: Re: Gudgel Family Archieves To: jeanninegudgel@hotmail.com, lfp2@comcast.net, bgudgel@eskimo.com, Hi Everyone: I visit my Dad at the Nursing Home every evening and we talk about Chowchilla and all the people he knew and those that are still there. I asked him if he ever met or knew any of the Gudgels other than LeRoy. He said yes, he had met Mr. Gudgel and he was a very nice man. He told my Dad he was from Oklahoma, around Boggy Depot and that he was Chickasaw Indian. He said that LeRoy Gudgel's wife, was Cherokee Indian, her father was Ray Hicks from Durant, Oklahoma. Also, as I am trying to remember the history of Verlin Sevedge, this was Walter Sevedge's wife. Her maiden name was Simon, she was from Arkansas and thought she was Cherokee or Choctaw Indian. They lived on the Arkansas/Oklahoma borderline. I don't know if this will be of any help, I thought the Boggy Depot, Oklahoma area was a good lead, is that documented in any of the family history? I'll have Dad at home on Thanksgiving, maybe he will be able to remember more of his Chowchilla memories. Happy Thanksgiving to All-Always-Linda Billey-Sevedge Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:34:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Linda Billey Sevedge note Although I see this letter got to the gudgel-list archives OK, Linda Billey-Sevedge asked for me to post this to the gudgel-list. This is really interesting to me. Happy Thanksgiving cyberturkeys ! I mean, cyber cousins ! boB EVerett, WA Hi Everyone: I visit my Dad at the Nursing Home every evening and we talk about Chowchilla and all the people he knew and those that are still there. I asked him if he ever met or knew any of the Gudgels other than LeRoy. He said yes, he had met Mr. Gudgel and he was a very nice man. He told my Dad he was from Oklahoma, around Boggy Depot and that he was Chickasaw Indian. He said that LeRoy Gudgel's wife, was Cherokee Indian, her father was Ray Hicks from Durant, Oklahoma. Also, as I am trying to remember the history of Verlin Sevedge, this was Walter Sevedge's wife. Her maiden name was Simon, she was from Arkansas and thought she was Cherokee or Choctaw Indian. They lived on the Arkansas/Oklahoma borderline. I don't know if this will be of any help, I thought the Boggy Depot, Oklahoma area was a good lead, is that documented in any of the family history? I'll have Dad at home on Thanksgiving, maybe he will be able to remember more of his Chowchilla memories. Happy Thanksgiving to All-Always-Linda Billey-Sevedge From: To: Bob Gudgel Cc: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:42:19 -0500 This is very interesting as I know many people have asked the family about any Indian heritage and the older Gudgel's always said there wasn't any. Chowchilla is of course the general area the Gudgels from Atoka Co, OK went to in their 1930 migration. The father of that migrating group, Thomas Wiley Gudgel (who married Emma Sarah Sevedge)died in CA in 1933, so I'm interested in knowing who Linda's father spoke to when he refers to "Mr Gudgel." We have a lot of information on the Gudgel's during their time in Atoka Co, OK. I suspect LeRoy Gudgel's wife is still alive, right? There should be records of such Indian affiliation in the BIA records but I have not been able to find anything but then I am not close to those sources. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:33:29 -0800 From: lfp2 To: Gudgel List Subject: picture of indian woman Picture of Indian woman from Thomas Jefferson Bible. A carte de Vista picture. People I talked to didn't know anything about her but thought a friend of the family. He was married 3 times and did not have time to marry this woman. Indian ancestry is probably imited to Gudgel ancestors beginning about the time of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel as his son Thomas Wiley married Emma Sarah Sevedge and her ancestry is not verified some people claim. I don't have an opinion on this.. If she was not adopted she is not Indian as I have a picture of her family when she was 16. But other Gudgels should not have Indians in their wood pile. If link does not work let me know. I am beginning a new home page http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/index.html From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Merry Christmas Cousins Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:34:07 -0500 Hi Folks- Just a note to wish all the Gudgel cousins a very Merry Christmas. I = was thinking this morning that these next few days while we are visiting = with family and friends would be a good time to ask those loved ones we = don't see often some questions you have about your family history. It = just may turn out someone knows more than you think. Seize the = opportunity! Gary and I are just now recouping from a nasty stomach virus going = around. I am going back to work today and have a lot of catching up to do with = Christmas right here on us. At least I don't have to worry with the = house. With a new grandbaby we are going to my daughter's house. Baby = Katherine is 8 1/2 months old now and such a joy. She is crawling = everywhere and trying to pull up. She has such a happy personality. I = hope that disposition continues. So everyone have a Merry Christmas (and I feel politically correct in my = mind saying Merry Christmas ). Much love to all, Linda from Kentucky Cold temps, sunshine, no snow at present. Maybe rain, sleet or flurries = for Christmas. Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Happy Christmas, Merry Holy-Day Hi CyberCousins ! Check out the gudgel web site for a little Christmas gift from Dianne Gudgel-Holmes and my brother in law. www.gudgel.org Just click on: *** Old Andrew Gudgels' 1770s "Peacable" Homestead Page *** Whirled Peas to all in the new year ! boB From: "Connie" References: Subject: Re: Happy Christmas, Merry Holy-Day What a nice gift for all Gudgels. Thank you for your hard Work Dianne and Charles too. I also would like to wish all my new found cousins a Merry Christmas and a great year in 2006. Connie Gudgel Phillips In sunny Florida (but not so warm today...68 but tomorrow back to the 70's.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gudgel" To: Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: Happy Christmas, Merry Holy-Day > > > Hi CyberCousins ! > Check out the gudgel web site for a little Christmas gift from > Dianne Gudgel-Holmes and my brother in law. > > www.gudgel.org > > Just click on: > > *** Old Andrew Gudgels' 1770s "Peacable" Homestead Page *** > > > Whirled Peas to all in the new year ! > > boB > From: "nancy miller" References: Subject: Re: Happy Christmas, Merry Holy-Day Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:59:25 -0800 Thanks Bob for putting this on the web site, and a very big thank you to Diane and Charles for their work in finding and photographing the site. What an interesting research that must have been. Nancy From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Cc: "Sam Gudgel" , "Windy Gudgel" , "Carrie F. Spellman" , "Gina L Finnell" , "Steve Ward" , , "Katherine Giles" , "Lesley Rose" Subject: My Christmas Message To Each Of You Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:42:48 -0500 Happy Holidays and blessings on a wonderful new year. http://www.asilentnightmovie.com Merry Christmas, Gary and Linda and family Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:27:27 -0800 (PST) From: Arleigh Birchler Subject: Merry Christmas To: "Me, Myself" Merry Christmas & Happy New Year May you be blessed with peace and joy in the coming year. Happy Holidays 'Laina & Arleigh Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:23:24 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: A Christmas Story -------- Original Message -------- Subject: A Christmas Story Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:11:40 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Reply-To: ralphj@eskimo.com To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com >From Doyal Gudgel. This is hopefully in Text format so should be acceptable for boB. A merry Christmas to all Gudgels and friends. The Story of the World War I Christmas Truce by John V. Denson by John V. Denson The Christmas Truce, which occurred primarily between the British and German soldiers along the Western Front in December 1914, is an event the official histories of the "Great War" leave out, and the Orwellian historians hide from the public. Stanley Weintraub has broken through this barrier of silence and written a moving account of this significant event by compiling letters sent home from the front, as well as diaries of the soldiers involved. His book is entitled Silent Night: The Story of the World War I Christmas Truce . The book contains many pictures of the actual events showing the opposing forces mixing and celebrating together that first Christmas of the war. This remarkable story begins to unfold, according to Weintraub, on the morning of December 19, 1914: "Lieutenant Geoffrey Heinekey, new to the 2ND Queen’s Westminister Rifles, wrote to his mother, ‘A most extraordinary thing happened. . . Some Germans came out and held up their hands and began to take in some of their wounded and so we ourselves immediately got out of our trenches and began bringing in our wounded also. The Germans then beckoned to us and a lot of us went over and talked to them and they helped us to bury our dead. This lasted the whole morning and I talked to several of them and I must say they seemed extraordinarily fine men . . . . It seemed too ironical for words. There, the night before we had been having a terrific battle and the morning after, there we were smoking their cigarettes and they smoking ours." (p. 5) Weintraub reports that the French and Belgians reacted differently to the war and with more emotion than the British in the beginning. The war was occurring on their land and "The French had lived in an atmosphere of revanche since 1870, when Alsace and Lorraine were seized by the Prussians" in a war declared by the French. (p. 4). The British and German soldiers, however, saw little meaning in the war as to them, and, after all, the British King and the German Kaiser were both grandsons of Queen Victoria. Why should the Germans and British be at war, or hating each other, because a royal couple from Austria were killed by an assassin while they were visiting in Serbia? However, since August when the war started, hundreds of thousands of soldiers had been killed, wounded or missing by December 1914 (p. xvi). It is estimated that over eighty thousand young Germans had gone to England before the war to be employed in such jobs as waiters, cooks, and cab drivers and many spoke English very well. It appears that the Germans were the instigators of this move towards a truce. So much interchange had occurred across the lines by the time that Christmas Eve approached that Brigadier General G.T. Forrestier-Walker issued a directive forbidding fraternization: "For it discourages initiative in commanders, and destroys offensive spirit in all ranks . . . . Friendly intercourse with the enemy, unofficial armistices and exchange of tobacco and other comforts, however tempting and occasionally amusing they may be, are absolutely prohibited." (p. 6–7). Later strict orders were issued that any fraternization would result in a court-martial. Most of the seasoned German soldiers had been sent to the Russian front while the youthful and somewhat untrained Germans, who were recruited first, or quickly volunteered, were sent to the Western Front at the beginning of the war. Likewise, in England young men rushed to join in the war for the personal glory they thought they might achieve and many were afraid the war might end before they could get to the front. They had no idea this war would become one of attrition and conscription or that it would set the trend for the whole 20TH century, the bloodiest in history which became known as the War and Welfare Century. German and British soldiers fraternize – Christmas 1914 As night fell on Christmas Eve the British soldiers noticed the Germans putting up small Christmas trees along with candles at the top of their trenches and many began to shout in English "We no shoot if you no shoot."(p. 25). The firing stopped along the many miles of the trenches and the British began to notice that the Germans were coming out of the trenches toward the British who responded by coming out to meet them. They mixed and mingled in No Man’s Land and soon began to exchange chocolates for cigars and various newspaper accounts of the war which contained the propaganda from their respective homelands. Many of the officers on each side attempted to prevent the event from occurring but the soldiers ignored the risk of a court-martial or of being shot. Some of the meetings reported in diaries were between Anglo-Saxons and German Saxons and the Germans joked that they should join together and fight the Prussians. The massive amount of fraternization, or maybe just the Christmas spirit, deterred the officers from taking action and many of them began to go out into No Man’s Land and exchange Christmas greetings with their opposing officers. Each side helped bury their dead and remove the wounded so that by Christmas morning there was a large open area about as wide as the size of two football fields separating the opposing trenches. The soldiers emerged again on Christmas morning and began singing Christmas carols, especially "Silent Night." They recited the 23RD Psalm together and played soccer and football. Again, Christmas gifts were exchanged and meals were prepared openly and attended by the opposing forces. Weintraub quotes one soldier’s observation of the event: "Never . . . was I so keenly aware of the insanity of war." (p. 33). The first official British history of the war came out in 1926 which indicated that the Christmas Truce was a very insignificant matter with only a few people involved. However, Weintraub states: "During a House of Commons debate on March 31, 1930, Sir H. Kinglsey Wood, a Cabinet Minister during the next war, and a Major ‘In the front trenches’ at Christmas 1914, recalled that he ‘took part in what was well known at the time as a truce. We went over in front of the trenches and shook hands with many of our German enemies. A great number of people [now] think we did something that was degrading.’ Refusing to presume that, he went on, ‘The fact is that we did it, and I then came to the conclusion that I have held very firmly ever since, that if we had been left to ourselves there would never have been another shot fired. For a fortnight the truce went on. We were on the most friendly terms, and it was only the fact that we were being controlled by others that made it necessary for us to start trying to shoot one another again.’ He blamed the resumption of the war on ‘the grip of the political system which was bad, and I and others who were there at the time determined there and then never to rest . . . Until we had seen whether we could change it.’ But they could not." (p. 169–70) Beginning with the French Revolution, one of the main ideas coming out of the 19th century, which became dominant at the beginning of the 20th century, was nationalism with unrestrained democracy. In contrast, the ideas which led to the American Revolution were those of a federation of sovereign states joined together under the Constitution which severely limited and separated the powers of the national or central government in order to protect individual liberty. National democracy was restrained by a Bill of Rights. These ideas came into direct conflict with the beginning of the American War Between the States out of which nationalism emerged victorious. A principal idea of nationalism was that the individual owed a duty of self-sacrifice to "The Greater Good" of his nation and that the noblest act a person could do was to give their life for their country during a war, which would, in turn, bring him immortal fame. Two soldiers, one British and one German, both experienced the horrors of the trench warfare in the Great War and both wrote moving accounts which challenged the idea of the glory of a sacrifice of the individual to the nation in an unnecessary or unjust war. The British soldier, Wilfred Owen, wrote a famous poem before he was killed in the trenches seven days before the Armistice was signed on November 11, 1918. He tells of the horror of the gas warfare which killed many in the trenches and ends with the following lines: If in some smothering dreams you too could pace Behind the wagon that we flung him in, And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin; If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues – My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori. (The Latin phrase is translated roughly as "It is sweet and honorable to die for one’s country," a line from the Roman poet Horace used to produce patriotic zeal for ancient Roman wars.) The German soldier was Erich M. Remarque who wrote one of the best anti-war novels of all time, entitled All Quiet On The Western Front , which was later made into an American movie that won the Academy Awards in 1929 as the "Best Movie" of the year. He also attacked the idea of the nobility of dying for your country in a war and he describes the suffering in the trenches: "We see men living with their skulls blown open; We see soldiers run with their two feet cut off; They stagger on their splintered stumps into the next shell-hole; A lance corporal crawls a mile and half on his hands dragging his smashed knee after him; Another goes to the dressing station and over his clasped hands bulge his intestines; We see men without mouths, without jaws, without faces; We find one man who has held the artery of his arm in his teeth for two hours in order not to bleed to death." I would imagine that the Christmas Truce probably inspired the English novelist and poet, Thomas Hardy, to write a poem about World War I entitled "The Man He Killed," which reads as follows: Had he and I but met By some old ancient inn, We should have sat us down to wet Right many a nipperkin! But ranged as infantry, And staring face to face, I shot at him as he at me, And killed him in his place. I shot him dead because – Because he was my foe, Just so: my foe of course he was; That’s clear enough; although He thought he’d ‘list, perhaps, Off-hand like – just as I – Was out of work – had sold his traps – No other reason why. Yes, quaint and curious war is! You shoot a fellow down You’d treat if met where any bar is, Or help to half-a-crown. The last chapter of Weintraub’s book is entitled "What If – ?" This is counterfactual history at its best and he sets out what he believes the rest of the 20th century would have been like if the soldiers had been able to cause the Christmas Truce of 1914 to stop the war at that point. Like many other historians, he believes that with an early end of the war in December of 1914, there probably would have been no Russian Revolution, no Communism, no Lenin, and no Stalin. Furthermore, there would have been no vicious peace imposed on Germany by the Versailles Treaty, and therefore, no Hitler, no Nazism and no World War II. With the early truce there would have been no entry of America into the European War and America might have had a chance to remain, or return, to being a Republic rather than moving toward World War II, the "Cold" War (Korea and Vietnam), and our present status as the world bully. Weintraub states that: " . . . Franklin D. Roosevelt, only an obscure assistant secretary of the navy – of a fleet going nowhere militarily – would have returned to a boring law practice, and never have been the losing but attractive vice presidential candidate in 1920, a role earned by his war visibility. Wilson, who would not be campaigning for reelection in 1916 on a platform that he kept America out of war, would have lost (he only won narrowly) to a powerful new Republican president, Charles Evans Hughes . . . . " (p. 167). He also suggests another result of the early peace would have been: "Germany in peace rather than war would have become the dominant nation in Europe, possibly in the world, competitor to a more slowly awakening America, and to an increasingly ambitious and militant Japan. No Wilsonian League of Nations would have emerged . . . Yet, a relatively benign, German-led, Commonwealth of Europe might have developed decades earlier than the European Community under leaders not destroyed in the war or its aftermath" (p. 167). Many leaders of the British Empire saw the new nationalistic Germany (since 1870–71) as a threat to their world trade, especially with Germany’s new navy. The idea that economics played a major role in bringing on the war was confirmed by President Woodrow Wilson after the war in a speech wherein he gave his assessment of the real cause of the war. He was campaigning in St. Louis, Missouri in September of 1919 trying to get the U.S. Senate to approve the Versailles Treaty and he stated: "Why, my fellow-citizens, is there [anyone] here who does not know that the seed of war in the modern world is industrial and commercial rivalry?. . . This war, in its inception, was a commercial and industrial war. It was not a political war." The great economist, Ludwig von Mises, advocated a separation of the economy from the government as one important solution to war so that business interests could not get government assistance in foreign or domestic markets: Durable peace is only possible under perfect capitalism, hitherto never and nowhere completely tried or achieved. In such a Jeffersonian world of unhampered market economy the scope of government activities is limited to the protection of the lives, health, and property of individuals against violence or fraudulent aggression . . . All the oratory of the advocates of government omnipotence cannot annul the fact that there is but one system that makes for durable peace: A free market economy. Government control leads to economic nationalism and thus results in conflict. [Omnipotent Government: The Rise of the Total State and Total War , pp. 284 and 286] Weintraub alludes to a play by William Douglas Home entitled A Christmas Truce wherein he has characters representing British and German soldiers who just finished a soccer game in No Man’s Land on Christmas day and engaged in a conversation which very well could represent the feelings of the soldiers on that day. The German lieutenant concedes the impossibility of the war ending as the soccer game had just done, with no bad consequences – "Because the Kaiser and the generals and the politicians in my country order us that we fight." "So do ours," agrees Andrew Wilson (the British soldier) "Then what can we do?" "The answer’s ‘nothing.’ But if we do nothing . . . . like we’re doing now, and go on doing it, there’ll be nothing they can do but send us home." "Or shoot us." (p. 110) The Great War killed over ten million soldiers and Weintraub states, "Following the final Armistice came an imposed peace in 1919 that created new instabilities ensuring another war," (p. 174). This next war killed more than fifty million people, over half of which were civilians. Weintruab writes: "To many, the end of the war and the failure of the peace would validate the Christmas cease-fire as the only meaningful episode in the apocalypse. It belied the bellicose slogans and suggested that the men fighting and often dying were, as usual, proxies for governments and issues that had little to do with their everyday lives. A candle lit in the darkness of Flanders, the truce flickered briefly and survives only in memoirs, letters, song, drama and story." (p. xvi). He concludes his remarkable book with the following: "A celebration of the human spirit, the Christmas Truce remains a moving manifestation of the absurdities of war. A very minor Scottish poet of Great War vintage, Frederick Niven, may have got it right in his ‘A Carol from Flanders,’ which closed, O ye who read this truthful rime From Flanders, kneel and say: God speed the time when every day Shall be as Christmas Day. (p. 175) December 1, 2005 John V. Denson [send him mail ] is the editor of two books, The Costs of War and Reassessing the Presidency . In the latter work, he has chapters especially relevant for today, on how Lincoln and FDR lied us into war. Copyright © 2005 LewRockwell.com Back to LewRockwell.com Home Page Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:38:33 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re. Gudgel-List Attention all AOL.COM Gudgel List members... Hello all and Happy Christmas... I have been notified by the owner of eskimo.com that there is a gudgel-list member with an AOL email address that is marking gudgel-list email as spam. Evidently aol blocks who it is that is bouncing the message. There are about 6 aol.com subscribers on the gudgel-list as far as I can tell. What I would like is for all aol.com people to send a test message to gudgel-list@eskimo.com or to me personally at bgudgel@eskimo.com. Doesn't have to say anything except hello or a message of some sort so I can weed out who it is NOT. In a couple of days, I will have to unsubscribe all aol.com subscribers that I did not hear from. Of course, whoever it is can either re-subscribe or let me know and that will start them up again. Thanks and have a great holy-day. Peas to all. boB ........Original Message from eskimo........ Someone at AOL who is on your gudgel-list, keeps marking your e-mail as spam. Because AOL hides the identity of the complainer, I can't tell you which address. But it is problematic for us because if enough messages get marked as spam they block all e-mail from our servers. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:35:28 EST From: scomp@aol.net To: undisclosed_recipients@aol.com Subject: Client TOS Notification From stephengudgel@yahoo.es Sun Dec 25 05:58:25 2005 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:58:14 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Gudgel Subject: Re: Re. Gudgel-List Attention all AOL.COM Gudgel List members... To: Bob Gudgel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Bob, I sent a jacquielawson greeting card to the cousins on the site, and haven't seen it appear so something must have gone wrong there too. I saw that some others had sent links like that, so figured it would work. It's no big deal, but you'll probably find it stuck there somewhere. Have a nice Xmas. Stephen Bob Gudgel wrote: Hello all and Happy Christmas... I have been notified by the owner of eskimo.com that there is a I DON"T THINK THIS IS THE PROBLEM BUT WILL KEEP MESSAGE IN THE ARCHIVE FOR NOW: Relax everyone. I think the culprit is me. The netscape spam filter thinks any messages to gudgel-list is spam. I don't understand everything about it but I had forgotten some time back that abything going to me might be marked as spam and somehow aol got a copy too. I have unsubscribed ralphj@eskimo.com and everything should be ok for eskimo now. I'll set the spam filter to filter mail to my comcast account. Now let aol block comcast! Doyal Gudgel lfp2@comcast.net. ralphj@eskimo.com, layod@comcast.net Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:39:06 -0500 From: djgud3326@aol.com Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year From the Gudgel clan in Muncie Indiana Don and Joan Gudgel djgud3326@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Gudgel To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:38:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re. Gudgel-List Attention all AOL.COM Gudgel List members... Hello all and Happy Christmas... I have been notified by the owner of eskimo.com that there is a gudgel-list member with an AOL email address that is marking gudgel-list Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:39:06 -0500 From: djgud3326@aol.com Subject: Re: Re. Gudgel-List Attention all AOL.COM Gudgel List members... From Gudgeld@aol.com Sun Dec 25 10:21:21 2005 From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:21:09 EST Subject: Re: Re. Gudgel-List Attention all AOL.COM Gudgel List members... Hi Bob; It is possible that I reported an e-mail from the list to AOL as spam inadvertantly, but I have not set AOL to block e-mail from the list as spam. Would it be possible to add something to the subject line when the server distributes e-mail that would show that the mail is coming from the list? Unfortunately, I do not remember the e-mail addresses of the all members of the list and may report an occasional e-mail from the list as spam for that reason. Some of the lists that I belong to add the name of the list to the subject line when distributing the e-mail, but I am not sure how difficult that would be. Just a thought. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Francis Marion Gudgel (1834-1918) Pension File Information Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:25:42 -0500 >From Doyle Gudgel and Mia Fleegel - Information from Pension Files: (I am questioning myself where I left off of these reports before = Christmas and/or if I have submitted this before.). =20 Francis Marion Gudgel (son of Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples). Born November 23, 1834 Lard, Jefferson Co., Indiana. Died August 23, 1918 at Gresham, York County, Nebraska Dark complexion, blue eyes, dark hair, occupation: farmer. Height = unknown. Enrolled as Corporal in Capt. James Company "B" of 91st Regt. Illinois = Inf. Volunteers on August 5, 1862. Mustered in September 8, 1862 at = Camp Butler, IL. His enrollment city was Terre Haute, Illinois. In October and November he became very ill with a violent cold which = developed into a lung disease. This was a Salt Creek and Bacon Creek, = KY. On April 25, 1863 he was discharged at Benton Barracks, MO because = of surgeons disability report. The pension he received for the = disability was $8.00 per month. He lived in Jefferson Co., Indiana until he was 10 years old. After = that he lived in Henderson, Pike Co., IL. After his discharge he = probably moved to Wayne Co., Indiana for 3 years. After moving to = Nebraska he lived in Polk and York counties for 37 years until December, = 1909. His place of death was in Gresham, York Co., NE so he apparently = stayed their the remainder of his life. His first wife was Rebecca Valentine who he married January 19, 1858 in = Terre Haute, IL by William Hartford. She died May 7, 1898 at Stratton, = NE.=20 His second wife was a widow, Anna Isch, former wife of David Isch, who = died April 25, 1897. She had been born in Germany. If Marion had any children it was not recorded as it was not necessary = to list them in any of the declarations as they were of legal age. Pension File # 498172. One copy of Application for pension is dated = April 29, 1902, another is dated December 11, 1909. There is a copy = also of the Application for a Widow's Pension signed by Anna Gudgel and = dated October 7, 1918. She was 61 years of age, being born March 17, = 1857 in Germany. She married Marion Gudgel at Stratton, NE September = 22, 1901 by George A. Baker, J.P. She had been married previously to = David Isch who died April 25, 1897 at Hamlet, NE. The number of his = pension certificates were 358, 589. An H.E. Valentine witnessed the Declaration for Pension on December 11, = 1909 so he probably still associated with relatives of his first wife, = Rebecca. Pension File: Francis Marion Gudgel, Company B, 91st Illinois Volunteer = Infantry: Submitted by Mia K. Adkins Fleegel. Civil War Record from the National Archives of Francis Marion Gudgel: Memorandum from Prisoner of War Records Gudgel, Merrian Rank: C Gudgell No. of Reg't: 91st Gudgill, M. State: Ills Gudgell, Marion Arm of Service: 1 Co.: B Information obtained from: Mis. Roll vol 378 page EN4 vol.---page 3 B.B. Roll vol. 132 page--vol 192 page-- B.B. vol. 230 B.B. Vol 5 page 104 Captured at Bacon Creek, KY, December 26, 1862, confined at Richmond, = VA. Paroled at Red Mills, December 26, 1862; reported at Benton Bcks, = Mo February 11/14, 1863. =20 Present at B.B. Feb. 28, and March 31, 1863---Roll dated B.B. April 30, = '63, shows him "discharged". date not given. Copied by A.F. (From Pension Record from the National Archives: Pens x98172 Pratt 6.85; Army of the United States, Certificate of = Disability for Discharge. Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: Richard & Terri Moberly Subject: Re: Francis Marion Gudgel (1834-1918) Pension File Information To: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Francis Marion Gudgel is my ancestor. Attached is a photo of him and his brother, Calvin Gudgel. Rich Moberly Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: From Doyle Gudgel and Mia Fleegel - Information from Pension Files: (I am questioning myself where I left off of these reports before Christmas and/or if I have submitted this before.). Francis Marion Gudgel (son of Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples). Born November 23, 1834 Lard, Jefferson Co., Indiana. Died August 23, 1918 at Gresham, York County, Nebraska Dark complexion, blue eyes, dark hair, occupation: farmer. Height unknown. Enrolled as Corporal in Capt. James Company "B" of 91st Regt. Illinois Inf. Volunteers on August 5, 1862. Mustered in September 8, 1862 at Camp Butler, IL. His enrollment city was Terre Haute, Illinois. In October and November he became very ill with a violent cold which developed into a lung disease. This was a Salt Creek and Bacon Creek, KY. On April 25, 1863 he was discharged at Benton Barracks, MO because of surgeons disability report. The pension he received for the disability was $8.00 per month. He lived in Jefferson Co., Indiana until he was 10 years old. After that he lived in Henderson, Pike Co., IL. After his discharge he probably moved to Wayne Co., Indiana for 3 years. After moving to Nebraska he lived in Polk and York counties for 37 years until December, 1909. His place of death was in Gresham, York Co., NE so he apparently stayed their the remainder of his life. His first wife was Rebecca Valentine who he married January 19, 1858 in Terre Haute, IL by William Hartford. She died May 7, 1898 at Stratton, NE. His second wife was a widow, Anna Isch, former wife of David Isch, who died April 25, 1897. She had been born in Germany. If Marion had any children it was not recorded as it was not necessary to list them in any of the declarations as they were of legal age. Pension File # 498172. One copy of Application for pension is dated April 29, 1902, another is dated December 11, 1909. There is a copy also of the Application for a Widow's Pension signed by Anna Gudgel and dated October 7, 1918. She was 61 years of age, being born March 17, 1857 in Germany. She married Marion Gudgel at Stratton, NE September 22, 1901 by George A. Baker, J.P. She had been married previously to David Isch who died April 25, 1897 at Hamlet, NE. The number of his pension certificates were 358, 589. An H.E. Valentine witnessed the Declaration for Pension on December 11, 1909 so he probably still associated with relatives of his first wife, Rebecca. Pension File: Francis Marion Gudgel, Company B, 91st Illinois Volunteer Infantry: Submitted by Mia K. Adkins Fleegel. Civil War Record from the National Archives of Francis Marion Gudgel: Memorandum from Prisoner of War Records Gudgel, Merrian Rank: C Gudgell No. of Reg't: 91st Gudgill, M. State: Ills Gudgell, Marion Arm of Service: 1 Co.: B Information obtained from: Mis. Roll vol 378 page EN4 vol.---page 3 B.B. Roll vol. 132 page--vol 192 page-- B.B. vol. 230 B.B. Vol 5 page 104 Captured at Bacon Creek, KY, December 26, 1862, confined at Richmond, VA. Paroled at Red Mills, December 26, 1862; reported at Benton Bcks, Mo February 11/14, 1863. Present at B.B. Feb. 28, and March 31, 1863---Roll dated B.B. April 30, '63, shows him "discharged". date not given. Copied by A.F. (From Pension Record from the National Archives: Pens x98172 Pratt 6.85; Army of the United States, Certificate of Disability for Discharge. Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:48:18 -0800 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: re: JACOB BOWMAN_son-in-law of STEPHEN GUDGELL To our Daniel descendents: Most of you probably have this, but for those who may not,, here is a tidbit of information that I found this morning...Vivian 1877 VOTERS AND TAXPAYERS BUREAU COUNTY ILLINOIS Page 314 - Milo Township (A-Br) BOWMAN JACOB . . . . Farmer, Sec. 9; P.O. Lombardville; born in Clermont Co. Ohio July 22, 1806; lived in Ohio about twelve years, went to Indiana and lived there about thirty-seven years, and came to this state and this county April 4, 1856, and has lived here over twenty years; has held office of Town Assessor, also School Trustee and School Director; Ind; Lib; he owns 160 acres land, value $12,000; he married Miss Mary Gudgel, May 26, 1832; she was born in Fayette Co. Penn. Jan. 20, 1810; her mother, Mrs. Sarah Gudgel, lives with them, she was born in Chester Co. Penn. March 31, 1786, and is 91 years old; they have had nine children.BOWMAN JASPER . . . . lives with father, Sec. 9; P.O. Lombardville; farmer; Ind; born Indiana. Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:45:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel To: layod cc: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gudgel you probably dont know On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, layod wrote: > Check this out > > > http://www.yellow-springs.k12.oh.us/hs/pages/JGudgel/description_of_work.htm K7IQ From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Subject: GUDGEL Family of PA, KY, IN and beyond Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:00:23 -0500 Hi Gudgel cousins,=20 I have posted my version of the Gudgel genealogy with WorldConnect on = the RootsWeb.com site. I have attempted to delete all living decendants = and deceased descendants with living spouces. I have also been very busy = deleting personal email that I have put in the notes field of my copy of = Family Tree Maker. Please take a look at file. You can find it by going = to www.rootsweb.com and searching for Zelda Gudgel. My database is the = mfleegel database. It doesn't seem to come up if you search for "GUDGEL = Family of PA, KY, IN and beyond" as a google search and if you search = for Andrew Gudgel you find there are 102 databases to look through to = find mine.=20 I started out the file with two brothers who started a mill and placed = Daniel as a child of the mysterious brother of Frederick - Andrew. We = just haven't found prove he is the son of Andrew, son of Frederick and = this is my best guess at this time. Let me know what you think...Let me know if you find mistakes...And = definetly let me know if any information is on there that you would like = for me to remove. Have fun looking... Mia Fleegel Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:22:35 -0800 (PST) From: indyaco Subject: Mistaken Williams To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Cousins- After looking at Mia's family tree on Roots Web I discovered that I had made a mistake a while back. I had posted that my great uncle William Gudgel, who married Maggie Coulson was my grandmother's (Helen Gudgel Sexton) brother. This William was actually her uncle William Henry Gudgel, the son of Henry Gudgel and Candasia Starks. My grandmother's brother, William was married to Barb. Sorry for the confusion. Brian Sexton Cc: "Gudgel List" From: Karla Mahlberg Subject: Re: Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:58:25 -0600 To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Linda, I have the 1860 and 1870 census information Andrew GUDGEL, listing Calvin GUDGEL. I will look for the 1880. Karla 1860 U.S. Federal Census STATE: ILLINOIS COUNTY: PIKE PLACE: KINDERHOOK POST OFFICE: KINDERHOOK ROLL: M653_219 PAGE: 29 (759) DATE: 29 JUNE 1860 Line Dwell# Family Surname Given Age Sex Occupation Birthplace 36 195 --- JUGGLE,* Andrew 50 M Farmer KY 37 ------, Elizabeth 40 F House work OH 38 ------, Calvin 14 M IL 39 ------, Theron? 11 M IL continued on next page 1 ------, David 8 M IL 2 ------, Louis 2 M IL 3 ------, Andrew 11/12 M IL next family on this page is Jacob JUDGLE *name recorded and indexed as "JUGGLE" 1870 U.S. Federal Census STATE: ILLINOIS COUNTY: PIKE PLACE: KINDERHOOK ROLL: M593_269 PAGE: 195B DATE: 17 JULY 1870 Line Dwell# Family Surname Given Age Sex Race Occupation Birthplace 9 131 133 GUDGEL, Orlando* 60 M W Laborer VA 10 -------, Catharine 32 F W Keeps house KY 11 -------, Calvin 24 M W Farm labor IL 12 -------, David 18 M W Farm labor IL 13 -------, Shanon?** 21 M W Farm labor IN 14 -------, Elmer 2 M W IL *given name recorded and indexed as "Orlando" and birthplace as VA, however, I believe it is Andrew born KY and spouse Catharine born VA. **child Shanon? not sure if it is Theron, Sharon, Shanon????, listed as BLIND, attending school On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Calvin Gudgel (1844-1930) > Pension Records Information from Doyal Gudgel: > Co. H, 148 Regt. Illinis Infantry From: kmahlberg@earthlink.net Reply-To: kmahlberg@earthlink.net To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information Cc: Gudgel List 1880 U.S. Federal Census STATE: TEXAS COUNTY: GRAYSON PLACE: Precinct 1, District 4 ROLL: T9_1306 ED 4 PAGE: 74C (27C);; DATE: 10 June 1880 39 274 290 GUDGEN, Calvin W M 25* Head Married Farming IL IL IL 40 ----------, Mary W F 26 Wife Married Keeping house IL IL IL 41 ----------, Eddie W M 2 Son TX IL IL 42 ----------, Harry W M 5 Son IL IL IL 43 ----------, Annie W F 3/12 born FEB Daughter TX IL IL *age should be about 35! recorded and indexed as "GUDGEN" son, Harry, counted twice, 2nd with grandparents: 1880 U.S. Federal Census STATE: TEXAS COUNTY: GRAYSON PLACE: Precinct 1, District 4 ROLL: T9_1306 ED: 4 PAGE: 77B (34B);; DATE: 16 June 1880 8 342 349 BELL, Ninnian W M 48 Head Married Farming IL MO IL 9 ----, Ann Mariah W F 43 Wife Married Keeping house OH PA OH 10 GUDGEL, Harry W M 5 Grandson IL IL IL 11 MORROW, Andrew W M 35 Boarder Single farming IL IL IL Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:13:03 -0900 From: Dianne To: Karla Mahlberg CC: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Re: "Juggle" Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information Wow. This is a surprise. It is the first time I've seen the name so badly mangled that the "G" isn't even there to give us a hint. I would not have thought to look in the "J"s. Makes one wonder if the census taker was hard of hearing or whether it was really poor handwriting that produced the "J". Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Karla Mahlberg wrote: > Linda, > > I have the 1860 and 1870 census information Andrew GUDGEL, listing > Calvin GUDGEL. Message-Id: Cc: Linda Gudgel Finnell , From: Karla Mahlberg Subject: Re: "Juggle" Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:40:42 -0600 To: Dianne The census taker seems to have been hard of hearing and a very poor speller! The "Juggle" was definitely spelled that way, the handwriting was clear enough. I really don't know how he got the "J" sound, unless the individual giving the information was the poor speller! The next family on the page was Jacob "JUDGLE", so at least they got the "D" in on that one. Also, I meant to mention on the 1880 census in Grayson county, TX for Calvin GUDGEL, there were a few "STAPLES" families on the same page. Calvin's mother was Elizabeth STAPLES. So I am assuming these were relatives. I will try to look into this. Karla On Jan 17, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Dianne wrote: > Wow. This is a surprise. It is the first time I've seen the name so > badly mangled that the "G" isn't even there to give us a hint. I would The census taker seems to have been hard of hearing and a very poor speller! The "Juggle" was definitely spelled that way, the handwriting was clear enough. I really don't know how he got the "J" sound, unless the individual giving the information was the poor speller! The next family on the page was Jacob "JUDGLE", so at least they got the "D" in on that one. Also, I meant to mention on the 1880 census in Grayson county, TX for Calvin GUDGEL, there were a few "STAPLES" families on the same page. Calvin's mother was Elizabeth STAPLES. So I am assuming these were relatives. I will try to look into this. KarlaTimes0000,2626,FFFF On Jan 17, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Dianne wrote: Wow. This is a surprise. It is the first time I've seen the name so badly mangled that the "G" isn't even there to give us a hint. I would not have thought to look in the "J"s. Makes one wonder if the census taker was hard of hearing or whether it was really poor handwriting that produced the "J". Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Karla Mahlberg wrote: Linda, I have the 1860 and 1870 census information Andrew GUDGEL, listing Calvin GUDGEL. I will look for the 1880. Karla 1860 U.S. Federal Census STATE: ILLINOIS COUNTY: PIKE PLACE: KINDERHOOK POST OFFICE: KINDERHOOK ROLL: M653_219 PAGE: 29 (759) DATE: 29 JUNE 1860 Line Dwell# Family Surname Given Age Sex Occupation Birthplace 36 195 --- JUGGLE,* Andrew 50 M Farmer KY 37 ------, Elizabeth 40 F House work OH 38 ------, Calvin 14 M IL 39 ------, Theron? 11 M IL continued on next page 1 ------, David 8 M IL 2 ------, Louis 2 M IL 3 ------, Andrew 11/12 M IL next family on this page is Jacob JUDGLE *name recorded and indexed as "JUGGLE" 1870 U.S. Federal Census STATE: ILLINOIS COUNTY: PIKE PLACE: KINDERHOOK ROLL: M593_269 PAGE: 195B DATE: 17 JULY 1870 Line Dwell# Family Surname Given Age Sex Race Occupation Birthplace 9 131 133 GUDGEL, Orlando* 60 M W Laborer VA 10 -------, Catharine 32 F W Keeps house KY 11 -------, Calvin 24 M W Farm labor IL 12 -------, David 18 M W Farm labor IL 13 -------, Shanon?** 21 M W Farm labor IN 14 -------, Elmer 2 M W IL *given name recorded and indexed as "Orlando" and birthplace as VA, however, I believe it is Andrew born KY and spouse Catharine born VA. **child Shanon? not sure if it is Theron, Sharon, Shanon????, listed as BLIND, attending school On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: Calvin Gudgel (1844-1930) Pension Records Information from Doyal Gudgel: Co. H, 148 Regt. Illinis Infantry b. January 10, 1844; d. February 17, 1930 Calvin enlisted February 3, 1865 and was mustered out with the company September 5,, 1865, Mannsville. Whil;e Oklahoma was still Indian Territory Calvin made out his first application for invalid pension on February 8, 1896 in Pickens County. He was 52 years years old at the time. He said the Commander of his company was Capt. Ben McCoy. He was discharged at Springfield, Illinois. Statistics were 6'1". dark complexion, hair streaked with grey, grey eyes. He was suffering from Cachixia. His disability first began in Sheridan Co., MO 1870. A Dr. Doil of Kinderhook, IL examined him in 1870 and said at the time Calvin would never be a well man. Another form was filled out March 20, 1900. This time he was living in Earl, Indian Territory. HIs wife's name was Mary Bell (maiden name was Bell). He was married in Hannibal, MO but he had forgotten the ministers name. His children were: Harry Gudgel- b. May 10, 1875 Ed Gudgell-b. October 2, 1877 Ott0 Gudgel-b. December 8, 1882 Miney Gudgell-b. July 26, 1885 Annie Gudgel-b. February 13, 1880 Cala Gudgell-b. November 11, 1887 Louis Gudgell-b. January 31, 1890 Larance Gudgel-b. March 10, 1892 He signed with only one "L" on the end of his name though he spelled the children's name with two "LL"s. The above application was filled out March 31, 1900. Another declaration for pension was filled out May 4, 1907. He then stated he was living in Pottsboro, Texas in Grayson County. He said his hair was black. A D.R. Harris and Wallace Harris signed with him. He was born in Carthage, Illinois. After leaving the army he lived in Brown Co. and Pike Co., Illinois and Mannville Indian Territory. Another time he filled out an application this time May 25, 1912. This time he was 68 and living in Gordonsville, Texas in Grayson County. Witnesses were B.N. Greanup and E.A. Wright. April 8, 1915 he filled out another application. This time he was living in Pottsboro, Texas. He lived at Mound Station, Illinois at the time of enlistment. His wife was still living with him. Some names of the children, not all however, he put on the form was May, who died at 40 years of age, Lawrence who was 23 at the time, he then added "no minor children". Pension Bureau checked the census and came up with this list: Census of November 17, 1850 Andrew Gudgel (Calvin's father), 41 Elizabeth (Calvin's mother), 28 Lavina C. Miller, 8 Theron A. Miller, 1 Francis M. Gudgel, 17 Rebecca I. Gudgel, 15 John W. Gudgel, 13 Allen Gudgel, 11 Eveline Gudgel, 7 Calvin Gudgel, 7 The first of March, 1930, his widow made out an application for a Widow's pension, living in Grayson Co., Texas. She only added to previous information that she was married December 26, 1874. Witnesses were W.P. Hardwick and Ray Gibson. She signed with a mark. Mary did not live much longer than her husband and died July 6, 1931 and was dropped from the rolls. Calvin was a farmer. His death certificate was signed by Goins Gudgel of Gracemount, Texas. (Atlas indicates Gracemount is at Ft. Lawton or Lawton, Texas. Certificate says he is buried at Georgetown Cemetery in Grayson County. Undertaker was Shush and Murry of Dennison, Texas. 1900 Census, Indian Territory Chickasaw Twp, Chickasaw Nation, Pg. 142 Twp. 4, S. Range 4 East; Pg 142; Line 5, 282/282. Gudgel, Calvin, Head, male, white, Jan. 1844, 56, marr. 1/ 27 yrs., Farmer, b. IL, fa. b. KY, mo. b. KY Mary, wife, female, white, Feb. 1854, 46, marr. 1, 27 yrs., 8 children/8 living, b. IL, fa. b. MO, mo. b. MO Annie, Dau., female, white, Feb. 1880, 20, single, b. TX, fa. b. IL, mo. b. IL Otis, Son, male, white, Dec. 1881, 18, single, b. TX, fa. b. IL, mo. b. IL Minnie, Dau., female, white, July, 1885; 14, single, b. TX, fa. b. IL, mo. b. IL (Kelly?), Dau., female, white, Nov. 1887, 12, single, b. TX, fa. b. IL, mo. b. IL Louis, Son, male, white, Jan. 1890, 10, Single, b. IL, fa. b. IL, mo. b. IL Lawrence, Son., male, white, Mar. 1892, 8, single, b. Indian Terr., fa. b. Il, mo. b. IL 1910 Census, Grayson Co., Texas Line/97; 282/282; Pg. 298; May 3, 1910; 8-J Precinct Gudgel, Calvin, Head, male, white, 66, marr. 1/37 yrs., b. IL, fa. b. OH, mo. b. OH, Farming Mary, wife, female, white 56, marr. 1/37 yrs., 8 children/7 living Lawrence, Son, male, white, 18, single, b. OK, fa. b. IL, mo. b. IL, Laborer Lee, (Maurie?) Boarder, female, white, 14, single, b. OK, fa. b. US, mo. b. US Notes from Linda: Just for clarification-Calvin was the son of ANdrew Gudgel and his first of 3 wives, Margaret Minakie Bell, having married December 26, 1872 in Hannibal, Missouri. I beleive I have heard Margaret was of some Indian descent.\ I have only found Calvin in the 1900 and 1910 Census records. Does anyone else have other years? Can anyone else give me the proper names and dates of birth for all of Calvin's children? I have conflicting information and would like to get it right. Thanks, Linda Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:53:41 -0800 (PST) From: Richard & Terri Moberly Subject: Re: "Juggle" Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information To: Karla Mahlberg , Dianne Cc: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Calvin is brother to my Francis Marion Gudgel. He was in the photo I sent to the list a couple weeks back. Photo of Calvin and Francis Marion in their Civil War uniforms. If anyone wants a digital copy, will be glad to send it. Rich Moberly Bartlesville Oklahoma Karla Mahlberg wrote: The census taker seems to have been hard of hearing and a very poor speller! The "Juggle" was definitely spelled that way, the handwriting was clear enough. I really don't know how he got the "J" sound, unless the individual giving the information was the poor speller! The next family on the page was Jacob "JUDGLE", so at least they got the "D" in on that one. Also, I meant to mention on the 1880 census in Grayson county, TX for Calvin GUDGEL, there were a few "STAPLES" families on the same page. Calvin's mother was Elizabeth STAPLES. So I am assuming these were relatives. I will try to look into this. Karla On Jan 17, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Dianne wrote: > Wow. This is a surprise. It is the first time I've seen the name so > badly mangled that the "G" isn't even there to give us a hint. I would From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Calvin and Marion Francis Gudgel photo. Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:47:28 -0500 I received the photo of Calvin and Francis Marion from you, Rich. A = belated thanks to you. I am always amazed at the spelling of these names in the Census records = and when searching for someone I try and keep an open mind as to the = spelling. But "Juggle" is not one I had run across. Thanks to everyone who contributes any information. You guys are great. Linda from Kentucky Rain tonight and has turned to light snow. We've been lucky so far. A = very mild winter. Unseasonably warm lately. My crocus are peeping = through the ground already---and it's too early!! Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:33:16 -0800 From: lfp2 Subject: Re: "Juggle" Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information As I said before there are 21,000,00 ways to misspell Gudgell That is one of them. I've seen worse. Dianne wrote: > Wow. This is a surprise. It is the first time I've seen the name so Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: Richard & Terri Moberly Subject: Re: "Juggle" Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information To: lfp2@comcast.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Cc: Gudgel List I have been searching thru the 1880 census for Calvin, his wife Mary (Margaret) and the children that were born before 1880. Harry, Ed and Annie. No luck so far. Going on an assumption they were in Hannibal, Marion County, Missouri, but they may have been on their way to Indian Territory when the census was taken and could be anywhere in between. I need to order his pension papers and military papers. If you have them, does it indicate anywhere in there where he might have been in 1880. You all have helped me a lot with the below information. I had none of Andrew's Census records and now have 1850 thru 1870. Now looking for Calvin just to fill in the peripheral family info. Thanks group. richard moberly desc of Francis Marion Gudgell. lfp2 wrote: As I said before there are 21,000,00 ways to misspell Gudgell That is one of them. I've seen worse. Dianne wrote: > Wow. This is a surprise. It is the first time I've seen the name so > badly mangled that the "G" isn't even there to give us a hint. I would Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:47:57 -0800 (PST) From: Richard & Terri Moberly Subject: Re: "Juggle" Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information To: lfp2@comcast.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Cc: Gudgel List Got him. 1880 Federal Census. Page 27 SD # 3, ED # 4, J.P. No1 District 4, County Grayson, State Texas, 10th day of June, 1880. Dwelling 274 Household 290 Line 39. Hard to tell how it might be indexed. I couldn't find it by searching. Had to do a page by page. Noticed the Staples on the same page. Probably his mother's relatives. will work on that with you Linda. rich moberly NOTE: Harry is enumerated here too. lfp2 wrote: As I said before there are 21,000,00 ways to misspell Gudgell That is one of them. I've seen worse. Dianne wrote: > Wow. This is a surprise. It is the first time I've seen the name so > badly mangled that the "G" isn't even there to give us a hint. I would Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:36:29 -0800 (PST) From: Richard & Terri Moberly Subject: Re: "Juggle" Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information To: lfp2@comcast.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Just found Calvin's son Harry in the 1880 Federal Census. He was at his grandparents, Ninnian and Ann Mariah Bell's. Page 34, Supervisor's Dist No 3, enumeration Dist No 4, JP No 1. District 4 County Grayson, State Texas, 16th day of June. Dwelling 342 Household 349 Line 8. Now for a page by page search. will report as soon as I find something. Rich Moberly lfp2 wrote: As I said before there are 21,000,00 ways to misspell Gudgell That is one of them. I've seen worse. Dianne wrote: > Wow. This is a surprise. It is the first time I've seen the name so > badly mangled that the "G" isn't even there to give us a hint. I would > not have thought to look in the "J"s. Makes one wonder if the census > taker was hard of hearing or whether it was really poor handwriting > that produced the "J". > Dianne Gudgel-Holmes > > Karla Mahlberg wrote: > >> Linda, >> >> I have the 1860 and 1870 census information Andrew GUDGEL, listing >> Calvin GUDGEL. Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: Richard & Terri Moberly Subject: Re: "Juggle" Calvin Gudgel ( (1844-1930) Pension Records Information Looks like Familysearch.com (LDS site) has them as Gudgen. in Dist 4, Prec 1, Grayson, Texas. Not too bad a misspell, but enough. rich Richard & Terri Moberly wrote: I have been searching thru the 1880 census for Calvin, his wife Mary (Margaret) and the children that were born before 1880. Harry, Ed and Annie. No luck so far. Going on an assumption they were in Hannibal, Marion County, Missouri, but they may have been on their way to Indian Territory when the census was taken and could be anywhere in between. I need to order his pension papers and military papers. If you have them, does it indicate anywhere in there where he might have been in 1880. You all have helped me a lot with the below information. I had none of Andrew's Census records and now have 1850 thru 1870. Now looking for Calvin just to fill in the peripheral family info. Thanks group. richard moberly desc of Francis Marion Gudgell. lfp2 wrote: As I said before there are 21,000,00 ways to misspell Gudgell That is one of them. I've seen worse. Dianne wrote: > Wow. This is a surprise. It is the first time I've seen the name so > badly mangled that the "G" isn't even there to give us a hint. I would From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Pension Records- Martin Van Gudgel (1836-1885) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:10:07 -0500 Pension Records from Doyal Gudgel: Martin V. Gudgell, 1st Lt., Co. F, 5th Regt. KY Cavalry (Confederate). Service Cards: Confederate M.V.Gudgell received at Military Prison, Louisville, KY C. G, 5th Cavalry, KY Prisoner of War Roll: Captured at Green River, KY July 4, 1863 Discharged August 9, 1863 at Columbus. Another card-same date and also: Received at Military Prison, Louisville, KY July 30, 1863 Another card: Appears on a roll of Prisoners of War belonging to Morgan's Command. = Forwarded from Louisville, KY to Columbus, OH, August 9, 1863 to be = delivered to Commandant at that Post. Another card-additional info: Received at Camp Chase, Ohio August 10, 1863. Departed October 10, 1863 = Transferred to Johnson's Island Prison (Lake Erie), Ohio, October 10, = 1863. Nov. 1, 1862 to Feb. 28, 1863 appears on Company muster roll. Enlisted September 2, 1862 at Lexington, KY by Brig. Gen'l. A. Bufurd. = for 3 years. Appears on roster January 6, 1864 as Present. Promoted to Captain June 7, 1865: Co. F., 5th Regt. of Kentucky Cavalry. = Appears on Roster. = *************************************************************************= ****************************************************************** Other notes from Linda: Martin Van Gudgel b. 1836 Anderson Co., KY; d. 1885 possibly Valdosta, = GA These records are very hard to follow so you might have to rearrange the = order of dates in which I have submitted them. It is not clear from = this information if Martin ever filed or received a pension. He was the = son of Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Mountjoy, and the grandson of Jacob = Gudgel and Druscilla Driskill. I do not have the place of death or = burial information for Martin but suspect his wife died and he wound up = in Georgia (see notes below). Would appreciate any information on this = if anyone can help. The 1860 Federal Census for Anderson Co., KY shows Martin 23 years of = age and listed as a Speculator/Trader. The 1870 Census:page 318B, line 32, Lawrenceburg P.O. 321/321, Enumerated June 25, 1870 by M.V. Royalty Shows him as age 32. Living with him was Ezra Fidler, age 18; and Sallie = Fidler, age 14. (These were children of his sister, Susan GUDGEL (d. = 1867) and her husband, James Catlett Fidler (d. 1864). All born in KY.) GUDGELL, Martin V., m, w, 32, Farmer, no real estate, Personal prop. = $1,300.,=20 FIDLER, Ezra, m, w, 18 FIDLER, Sallie, f, w, 14. 1880 Census, Anderson Co., KY Page 302-B GUDGEL, M.V., self, married, male, white, Trader, b. KY, KY,KY M.E., wife, married, female, white, b. KY, KY,KY Martin served as Sheriff of Anderson Co., KY from January, 1867 to = February, 1868 (resigned). J.G. Hawkins was his Deputy. He was also a = Lieutenant in Co. F. Kentucky Cavalry and was wounded in combat. Was = captured at Green River, KY July, 1863. Was a Lieutenant and had been = wounded before he was captured. Gave his address as Rough and Ready = (now Alton), KY. See Wyatt Shely column, "Our Heritage", dated June 16, = 1966 in the Anderson News, Lawrenceburg, KY. Also may have been held = captive in Johnson Island Prison (Lake Erie), OH. Apparently Martin traveled around a lot as a Speculator/Trader and = didn't marry until he was 44 years of age. Mary had been married twice = before. No issue of this marriage. Bond witnesses: Jacob GUDGEL and = James Clay GUDGEL. This was Martin's 1st marriage. Found reference (not sure if this is Martin yet): Wiregrass Obituaries and Death Notices (Vol. 1: April 29, 1868 - Sept. 29, 1869 So. Georgia Times and May 15, = 1875 - Dec. 26, 1885 Valdosta, Lowdenes Co., Times) M.V. Gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Pension File Information-RICHARD J. GUDGELL (1843-1921) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:35:48 -0500 Information from Doyal GUDGEL-Pension Files: RICHARD J. GUDGELL (1843-1921) (s/o John Gudgell and Cynthia Ann Brown) He enlisted in 3rd Iowa Cavalry CO. "F", August 1, 1861 at Fairfield, = Iowa. He was 5'9", dark complexion, dark hair, hazel eyes. Re-enlisted = as vet. August 1, 1864. Same outfit, Enlisted in 18th U.S. Infantry, = Co. "H", October 9, 1865 and was discharged October 9, 1868. He enlisted as a musician in the 3rd, was mustered in at Keokuk, Iowa, = but didn't stay a musician but became a regular soldier. His pension = applications did not give much information on his 3rd Cav. service. He = better remembered his 18th Inf. service. Right away after his = re-enlistment he suffered freezing during a march from Ft. Leavenworth, = Kansas to Ft. Aubrey (he called it Ft. Auburn), due to the extreme cold = on the march. This period was during the effort of the U.S. to punish = the Indians for their uprising during the Civil War when the army's = attention was centered on the war with the South. In the original Pension Application he lived at Ottumwa in Wapello Co., = IA. At the time his occupation was given as "keeping restaurant". The = applications also said he could no do manual labor due to the freezing = of his elbow during the march. JP Jones was the attorney who made the = claim for him. The enlistment in the 18th Inf. occurred at St. Louis. The freezing of the arm occurred during a march on the 20th of January, = 1866. He was given the rank of 1st Sgt. Contrary to many officers who = enlisted he was given a promotion. Officers were mostly reduced in = rank. =20 Thomas Cunningham and Daniel Cunningham signed with a mark as witness as = did Richard. Date of the original application was August 18, 1878, = filed at Marion, Linn Co. The adjutant General's office answered a query of the Pension Bureau on = November 25, 1873 verifying the information furnished by Richard. They = said he was enrolled September 4, 1861 at Fairfield and was mustered in = at Keokuk. He was on the rolls for January and February, 1862 and was = reported AWE: August 9, 1865, but later in the form this charge was in = error. He was discharged October 9, 1868 at Ft. Sedgewick-T (Territory?) maybe = Colorado Territory, and was discharged as Sergeant. The Bureau of Pensions added certain information to the record on = January 15, 1898. By this time he had learned to write and apparently = filled out the form himself. He said he was married to Phoebe A. = Henderson on August 10, 1876 in Morgan Co., IL by Squire Baxter. At = this date he had 6 children but added two more later. Their names were: = Jackson- b. 9/27/1877 Liturgist- b. 4/23/1879 Laura- b. 4/1/1882 Love Miller- b. 4/1/1882 Robert BE.- b. 5/22/1885 Henry Clay- b. 3/16/1887 Cordelier Bell- b. 2/18/1890 Susie Brown- b. 3/13/1902 The children names and dates of birth were taken from a form he filled = out March 25, 1915. When he was 77 and on May 26, 1920 he made out another Pension = Application from Jefferson County, while still living in Fairfield. He = was suffering from several illnesses of old age and also stated he had = lived in Iowa after the war except for 4 years in Morgan Co., IL. He = was listed as 5' 10 1/2" tall, white complexion, brown eyes, dark brown = hair, and occupation was a farmer. P.W. Schafer , 303 S. Monroe St., = Fairfield, and his wife, witnessed the application. Richard signed by = mark this time and was living at 504 S. 3rd Street. Next form in the pension file was a widow's application made 4/28/1921. = She said she was born 4/21/1859 and was 62 years old at the time of this = application. She was born in Louisa Co., Iowa. Richard died 4/18/1921 = at Fairfield, Iowa. Witnesses were B.F. Simmons and E. Simmons of = Fairfield. Her sister, Ada Myers, of Jacksonville, Morgan Co., IL made = an affidavit. Her son H. Clay Gudgel enlisted in WWI but was discharged = 4/16/1917 at Camp Dodge for Dependants. Phoebe died 4/2/1934 at = Lawrence, Douglas Co., Kansas. Her address at her death was 933 Rhode = Island Street. *************************************************************************= ******************************************************************** Notes from Linda- I have none of the spouses of Richard's children. If someone has any = information about he and Phoebe's children I would appreciate having it. = Also, who is the child, Clayton, in the 1920 census listed below? The family of Richard J. GUDGELL is found in the 1900 Federal Soundex, = Jefferson Co., Iowa in Buchanan Township, v. 39, ed. 42, sheet 9, line = 85. GUDGELL, R.J. June, 1843 56, b. MO Phoebe, wife Apr., 1859 43 , b. Iowa Licurgas-son Apr., 1879 21, b. IL Love M.-dau Apr., 1882 18, b. Iowa Laura L.-dau Apr., 1882 18, b. Iowa Robert V.-son May, 1885 15, b. Iowa Henry C.-son Mar., 1888 12, b. Iowa Lillie B.-dau Feb., 1890 10, b. Iowa 1920 Census, Fariefield, Jefferson Co., Iowa line, 40, 504/389, pg. 212, Taken January 15, 1920 GUDGELL, Richard J., Head, male, white, 77, married, no occup., b. MO, = fa. b. KY, mo. b. KY Phoebe, wife, female, white, 60, married, b. IA, fa. b IL, mo. b. IL Clayton, son, male, white, 30, wid., laborer, machinery co., b. IA, fa. = b. MO, mo. b. IA Richard J., grandson, male, white, 12, single, b. IA, fa. b. MO, mo. b. = IA=20 *************************************************************************= ****************************************************************** Found this document for sale on eBay (didn't have to buy it- just = printed it): 1867 Territory of Utah - County of Green River - vs - People of Utah - = (Charge of) - Grand Larceny - John Lewis Deposition by R.J. Gudgell. The prisoner being produced in court, and the complaint read to him, = answered: Not Guilty. That he stole none of the property named in the = complaint - that he knows nothing of the stealing. That he was caught = with new soldier clothing on. That he bought it of a man calling himself = a soldier. That he was not an accomplice in stealing any of the things. Sergeant Thomas Lowry being sworn says: this man John Lewis was seen by = me about the premises from which the goods were stolen the afternoon = preceding the night on which they were stolen. This was on or about the = 16th of July, 1867. I did not see him after this until he was made a = prisoner. He had on new soldier clothing when brought back. He = acknowledged to me that he had stolen the clothing & some whiskey from = the quarter masters store. He told me that he had secreted portions of = the stolen goods in a certain old wagon & I found such articles as he = described, in the wagon. He also told me that he had secreted his old = clothing in the place where they were found. He said that he had = secreted the other articles in the brush down the creek. He went with a = party to the place, but arriving there, said he had thrown them in the = creek. Sergeant R. J. Gudgell, being sworn, says he recognize the prisoner. = That I arrested him near Millersville on the 18th July. He had on a new = pair of soldiers pants - pair of government boots - a new soldier shirt. = He told me that he had bought the clothing from a soldier. After = arriving at the Fort, before going to the guardhouse, he said he would = tell me all about it., but when the opportunity was given him, he = refused. Next morning he acknowledged to have stolen nine overcoats. I = found a new canteen in his possession and learned that he had sold a = belt which was missing from the Q. M. Store, which belonged to Sergeant = Lowry. He said that a white man assisted him - showed me the hole where = he entered the building. Said that the white man took the things down = the road to sell them & was to divide the proceeds. Said that the white = man took the things down the road to sell them & was to divide the = proceeds. The prisoner had a pair of new drawers, soldiers goods, which = I failed to mention. The goods in his possession & what he confessed to = stealing were worth over One hundred dollars. A F Gayfer, being sworn says: I recognize the prisoner on or about the = 16th July '67. I saw him repeatedly about the quarter master store = house. Once I saw a Mexican in company with him. At the time I saw him = he had on the same clothing he wears now. Lieut G. W. Wood, being sworn says: Sergeant Lowry on or about the 16th = reported that the QM store had been broken into. I went & saw where the = entrance had been made. I notified Sergeant Gudgell of the facts = instructing him to use his best efforts to arrest the guilty party. In = the afternoon I learned that a Negro - the prisoner - had been seen with = clothing & other missing articles, which pointed to him as the thief or = acquainted with the facts. Next day I had him, the prisoner, arrested. = He was brought to the post. I took him to my quarters. He had on a new = pair of Soldiers pants - a new pair cavalry boots & a new government = shirt. I questioned him & he told me he bought the clothing from a = soldier I sent him to the guard house. He said he could not recognize = the soldier from whom he bought the things. Two or three days = afterwards, I went tot he guard house to see him. He confessed to me = that he had broken into the store house - told me where he had entered. = Said a white man, a teamster, was with him, but he could not recognize = the man. He acknowledged to have taken 9 overcoats, some shirts, pants, = boots and socks. He said he had secreted the things in the old stone = fort, in a wagon - that at night he had gone there and got his share. = That his white accomplice had previously gotten his share. He said he = could not carry all the clothing, and for this reason he did not take = all. He said he had taken off his old clothing & left them in the old = brick machine, west of the old fort. That he had hidden portions of the = things in the willows, down the creek, intending next day to take them = down the road to sell them. That fearing some one would see him with = them, he had afterwards thrown them in the creek. This confession was = made without compulsion. *************************************************************************= ************************************************************************ From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Just checkin' in! Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:56:36 -0500 Hi Folks- How in the world is everyone doing? I'll bet most of you are in front = of the T.V. watching the Super Bowl. That's where Gary is. He yells = for me when the commercial's come on so I can catch them. I am not a = football fan but I love the Super Bowl commercials. Everyone will be = talking about them at work tomorrow I'm sure. He has been a couch potato = today but that's okay. He deserves it. We have also been filling out = his retirement information for his military service. He will start = drawing his retirement in about a year and a half. (Maybe I can retire then!!). Well, everything here is fine. Our weather has been unseasonably warm = for Kentucky this winter---until yesterday. Snowed all day. It started = out with the temperature dropping and snowflakes looking like big = chicken feathers, then tapered off to a light snow. My tulips, crocus = and peonies are pushing through the ground already and it's way too = early. Bet we won't have many pretty ones by the time spring comes. Katherine, our granddaughter, will be a year old March 31st. Hard to = believe. She is so much fun now. Crawling everywhere, pulling up and = realizing she has to hold on to something. Two teeth and she's = jabbering all the time now and we are just silly about her. Such a joy = to us she is. And the girls are fine as is everyone else. Let me hear from you guys. = And share it with all of us on the List. I wonder about so many of you = and would like to hear from you. And I know there are quite a few on = this list who are lurking around reading things but we never hear from = you. Come on now, don't be bashful. We are all family. Well, I've rambled long enough. Probably said enough for all of us . = Hope all of you are safe and warm. =20 Linda=20 from Kentucky (you know, I'm embarrassed to say I don't even know who's playing in the = Super Bowl. I heard Seahawks somewhere). From: lfp2 To: Linda Gudgel Finnell CC: Gudgel List Subject: Re: Just checkin' in! Seattle lost. Darn!!!!!!111 My vote for best commercial was the Fedex commercial. The rest were mostly ho hum. Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi Folks- > How in the world is everyone doing? I'll bet most of you are in front > of the T.V. watching the Super Bowl. That's where Gary is. He yells > for me when the commercial's come on so I can catch them. I am not a > football fan but I love the Super Bowl commercials. Everyone will be > talking about them at work tomorrow I'm sure. He has been a couch > potato today but that's okay. He deserves it. We have also been > filling out his retirement information for his military service. He > will start drawing his retirement in about a year and a half. > (Maybe I can retire then!!). > > Well, everything here is fine. Our weather has been unseasonably warm > for Kentucky this winter---until yesterday. Snowed all day. It > started out with the temperature dropping and snowflakes looking like > big chicken feathers, then tapered off to a light snow. My tulips, > crocus and peonies are pushing through the ground already and it's way > too early. Bet we won't have many pretty ones by the time spring comes. > > Katherine, our granddaughter, will be a year old March 31st. Hard to > believe. She is so much fun now. Crawling everywhere, pulling up and > realizing she has to hold on to something. Two teeth and she's > jabbering all the time now and we are just silly about her. Such a > joy to us she is. > > And the girls are fine as is everyone else. Let me hear from you > guys. And share it with all of us on the List. I wonder about so > many of you and would like to hear from you. And I know there are > quite a few on this list who are lurking around reading things but we > never hear from you. Come on now, don't be bashful. We are all family. > > Well, I've rambled long enough. Probably said enough for all of us > . Hope all of you are safe and warm. > Linda > from Kentucky > > (you know, I'm embarrassed to say I don't even know who's playing in > the Super Bowl. I heard Seahawks somewhere). > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 04:30:14 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Gudgel Subject: virus To: Bob Gudgel , Gudgel List Bob and all, There is a virus coming through on the names E Gudgel and Trag that has price as it's subject line. Beware. Bob, I hope you can get it off the list and E Gudgel, whom I suppose is Ed in FL and Trag, whoever that is, need to check their systems, probably too. Stephen Barcelona From: "William Gudgel" To: "GUDGEL-list, e-mail conferencing" Subject: VIRUS ALERT Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:22:25 -0800 Hello Cousins, My name is Bill Gudgel, I am one of your distant cousins on the Gudgel-List. A few days ago, I got two messages from EGudgel. Earthlink notified me that they had intercepted the messages and had stripped the attachment from it because the attachment contained a virus. I have received several e-mail messages from EGudgel in the past so at the time I just figured that the file was loaded bad when attached or was accidentally altered during transit. Then I got another virus alert from Earthlink about an e-mail from Trag. Earthlink notified me that I had received the same file attachment only this time it was from an address that I did not recognize. This time Earthlink wiped out the entire e-mail message. THIS IS THE NOTICE I RECEIVED FROM EARTHLINK. *PLEASE NOTE: I added 2 spaces on each side of the at sign so the addresses could not be accidentally activated. +++++++++++++++ This email included an attachment which Earthlink identified as containing a virus known as 1. February_price.zip/vqszrxbj.exe: W32.Beagle.DL @ mm +++++++++++++++ It appears that someone has breached someone's e-mail database and is using it to send out a virus. If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion ... Someone may need to run a system check/repair utility. You may also want to contact a computer shop to ask what they think would work best. Sometimes, when a virus becomes a problem for everyone, computer shops will provide a web site address where you can get a simple virus repair utility free or provide you with a copy of a repair utility for the price of the disk that they write it to as a public service just to help rid the industry of viruses like this. BTW - I tried to send a message to EGudgel at aol and the message came back as a bad address. Good Luck, Bill Gudgel Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:04:04 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. Virus Hi guys... I believe that this virus got through because somehow someone forged the email addresses ? Not exactly sure. This is reported to be a fairly low risk virus though, luckily. I found the 3 emails with the subject "price" and downloaded it to see what my virus scanner said it was (Mcaffee). There is a long list of things it plays with but I'll post a link and a paragraph that Mcaffee says about it. Just gotta be careful and use a decent anti-virus scanner. Virus' and spam. boB This is the entire description link... http://us.mcafee.com/virusInfo/default.asp?id=description&virus_k=138366 Virus Profile: W32/Bagle.dp!M328 Risk Assessment - Home Users: Low - Corporate Users: Low Date Discovered: 2/2/2006 Date Added: 2/2/2006 Origin: Unknown Length: N/A Type: Virus SubType: E-mail worm DAT Required: 4659 Virus Characteristics This threat is proactively detected as W32/Bagle.gen with the 4659 DAT files, or newer. W32/Bagle.dp@MM is a trojan downloader and mailing worm that uses its own SMTP engine to send itself to the email addresses that it harvests on the infected computer. It also contains backdoor functionality which allows unauthorized remote access. The trojan uses the icon of a text file and upon execution opens the application Notepad to trick the users into believing that a empty text document was opened. It creates a copy of itself into the Windows system directory: %Windir%\%SYSDIR%\sysformat.exe Adds the following values to the registry to auto start itself when Windows starts. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run "sysformat" = "%Windir%\%SYSDIR%\sysformat.exe" Adds the following registry key as a flag that indicates that the system is infected. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microso