Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:08:28 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Andrew GUDGEL and the DUNLAP family Doyal had a question about Andrew GUDGEL, who died in 1840, Bath Co., KY and the DUNLAP boys that married into the GUDGEL family. I will try and explain where these people fit in. And I agree with Doyal...so amny Andrew's tend to make your head swim after a while . First, where is Bath Co., KY? And a little history on it...... The county seat of Bath Co., KY is Owingsville. It's a little over an hour away east of Versailles, Woodford Co., KY where I live and I am in "the heart of the Bluegrass" as they say. Bath Co. was formed in 1811 from part of Montgomery County, KY, It was named for the medicinal springs in the area. The Owingsville courthouse burned on 21 May 1864. No records appear to have been lost. The 1864 fire was accidentally set when federal soldiers overturned a stove while trying to leave upon learning that Confederate troops would soon arrive. In 1990 the population of Bath Co. was 9,692. It is mostly agricultural and has stayed that way since the late 20th century when Interstate 64 was built. Some industry has moved in since the 1980's. Settlers were living in the area as early as 1775. Bath Co. was home to Olympia Springs, one of Kentucky's most popular resorts in the nineteenth century and destination of the first stage coach line out of Lexington in 1803. The Andrew that Doyal mentioned as having a Will dated in 1840 is Andrew GUDGEL, Jr.-son of our old Andrew. Andrew, Jr. was born 1760-1774 Baltimore, MD and died in 1840 Bath Co., KY. He married Jane MITCHELL January 10, 1792 Woodford Co., KY. Bondsman was John Mitchel(l). ************************************************************************ I have the Marraige Bond which reads: January 10, 1792 We do hereby bind ourselves Our heirs and in the ----not legible---- of 250 tp the Governor of Virginia that there shall be no cause to Obstruct at a marriage intended between - Andrew GUDFHALL & Jane MITCHELL. Witness our hands and Seals the day above written. Teste (Icie?) Craig Andrew GUDFHALL {Seal} John MITCEHL {Seal} I also have the Minister's Return which reads: Andrew GONDSHALL and Jean MITCHAEL January 12, 1792 By Rev. Sam SHANNON Woodford Co., KY ************************************************************************ (You have to remember that these ministers dated their returns whenever they got around to listing the marriages they performed, so by the time they got around to it, some of the dates where close but not exact and also they didn't always get the names just right!). Jane MITCHELL was the daughter of John MITCHELL and Elizabeth ______. Jane died before 1840. Children of Andrew GUDGEL, Jr. and Jane MITCHELL: Polly GUDGELL-b. 1794-1800. Married 1810-1820 to David M. DUNLAP, son of Robert DUNALP and Elizabeth WILE. Polly died after 1840. Rebecca GUDGELL-b. between 1794-1800 married Samuel W. MITCHELL November 15, 1824 Bath Co., KY. She died after 1840. Elizabeth GUDGELL-b. between 1794-1800 married August 11, 1814 Bath Co., KY to John DUNALP, son of Robert DUNALP. Sr. and Elizabeth WILE of NC. Elizabeth died before 1840. Joseph GUDGELL-b. September 20, 1801 KY. Died May 13, 1864. Married Louisa J. GROVES after 1830. Both are buried in the Springfield Church Cemetery, Bath Co., KY. Rezin GUDGELL- b. 1807 Bath Co., KY, died 1838 and buried Macoupin Co., IL, where he had moved to in 1836. He married Elizabeth UTTERBACK September 28, 1830 Bourbon Co., KY. (I also have a stong suspicion that there was a son born early-Allen GUDGELL, of Bath Co., KY -but that is not documented. Could have been by an earlier wife before this Jane MITCHELL. This has caused many heated debates but I have my gut feelings). ************************************************************************ Will Of Andrew GUDGELL (Jr.): Page 66, Bath Co., KY (Do not have Will Book #): In the name of God amen, I Andrew GUDGELL of the county of Bath and commonwealth of Kentucky, being sick and weak in body, but of sound mind and disposing memory (for which I thank the Almighty God) and calling to mind the uncertainty of human life, and being desirous to dispose of all such worldly estate as it hath pleased God to bless me with I give and bequeath the same in manner following, that is to say. 1st I give to my daughter Polly DUNALP and her heirs and afsigns forever the sum of one dollar she and her heirs having heretofore received a postion of my estate. 2nd To my daughter Rebecca MITCHELL, she having likewise heretofore received a portion of my estate, I give the sum of one dollar. 3rd I give Janet G. DUNALP, the only heir of my deceased daughter Elizabeth, the sum of one dollar. 4th I give to the heirs of my deceased son, Rezin GUDGEL, the sum of one dollar each. 5th All of the rest of my estate both real and personal and of what nature and kind so ever it may be, not herein particularly disposed of I desire after the payment of my funeral expenses, shall be given to my son, Joseph GUDGEL, all which I give to him, his heris, executors, adminstrators and afsigns forever. And lastly I do hereby constitute and appoint my son, Joseph GUDGELL, executor of this my last will and testament, hereby revoking all other or former wills or testaments by me heretofore made. In witnefs whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this fourth day of January Eighteen Hundred and Forty. Andrew GUDGELL {Seal} Signed, sealed, published and declared as and for the last will and testament of the above named Andrew GUDGEL, in the presence of us, John W. TYDINGS Witness John CUNNINGHAM Witness State of Kentucky Bath County April Court, 1840 I, William M. Sudduth, Clerk of the Court for the county aforesaid do certify that this last will and testament of Andrew GUDGELL was this day produced in open court proven by the oath of John W. TYDINGS and John CUNNINGHAM the subscribing witnefses thereto and ordered to be recorded, whereupon the same both been duly admitted to record in my office. Given under my hand this 13th, April, 1840. Wm. M. SUDDUTH, Clerk By Danl. P. MOSLEY, DC ************************************************************************ And now a little background on the DUNALP family that married into this GUDGEL line: Robert and David DUNALP were born in Ireland, but came to America with their parents when they were small boys, and settled in North Carolina. Robert was born February 26, 1763 and at the age of 25 years he was married to Elizabeth WILE, of North Carolina, by whom he had-John, David M., Robert, Thomas, Eliza, and Elizabeth S. In 1801 he removed to Bath Co., KY and in 1821, he and his brother David, removed to Missouri and settled in Calloway Co. In 1825 they settled where Fulton now stands and Robert DUNALP gave the name to the town, which for a number of years was called "Bob FULTON" on his account. He died in 1848, his wife having died in 1834. John DUNALP married Elizabeth GUDGELL, and they had two children. Robert and Jane. The former was killed in the Florida War and the latter married Milton V. DAVIS, of Calloway Co., MO. David M., son of Robert DUNALP, Sr., married Polly GUDGELL, of Kentucky, by whom he had--Elizabeth, Andrew, Thomas, Jane, Robert A., James, and Mary. Robert and Eliza, children of Robert DUNALP, Sr., died in childhood and Thomas died when he was 23 years of age. Elizabeth married James Solomon CRAIGHEAD. David, brother of Robert DUNALP, Sr., taught the first school in Fulton. He had but one leg and supplied the place of the lost leg with an old fashioned wooden peg-leg. He married and had one daughter, and died of cholera in Portland in 1840. The citizens of the place had such a dread of the disease that they buried him as soon as he was dead, in the dress he had on at the time. It was ascertained soon afterward that he had $2,800. in a pocket in his undershirt, and two or three of the boldest citizens ventured to take the body up and get the money. ************************************************************************ That's all for now. Hope this helps to clarify some of the connection of the GUDGELL-DUNALP lines and their ties to Bath Co., KY. Bath Co. is also where Anna MANLEY lives. I am sure you have heard me mention her before as being a GUDGEL(L) descendant of Andrew, Jr. A great lady who is going to be so pleased to get Doyal's GUDGEL newsletter. She's getting up in years but loves to talk about the GUDGEL's. I visited her about 4 years ago and that was my only trip to Bath Co. Think I'd love to go see her again. I hear from her ocassionally and at Christmas. She's very special to me. Good Night. Linda Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:18:42 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Andrew GUDGEL and the DUNLAP family answer to Linda. OK thanks for the input. I just wanted to make sure this Andrew was son of Old Andrew. The reason is I think I have 15 Andrew Gudgels on my FTW program. Many of them of course are obviously not directly connected to old Andrew being somewhat down the line. I haven't sorted out just who they are. I picked up many many connections when I merged the the gedcom files from Bobs web page. I now have 5400 names. I haven't gone through them for known errors. I will look and see if there is another son with the name Andrew. That is the reason I asked. I have that information apparently from the same source. I went to Owensville and met Anna Manley many years ago About 1980. She asked me for any information I had and I sent her quite a bit. Do you remember? She never wrote and told me if you got it. Anna said it was for a Linda Finnell. She and a sister and husband I think they were took us out to the cemetery I think 5 miles or so on a farm. I took pictures of them clearing the headstones. She also took us to the little church with the little cemetery on the grounds with the iron fence around one of the Gudgel graves. I could look up the picture and find out who it was. There was a place for ladies to dismount from a horse onto a stone. Now that I am interested in genealogy again I am going to try to talk Kay into making a trip back that way this spring or summer. Her ancestors came from lots of areas some of mine came from. Mo and Ok. I just looked at two Andrew Gudgels and they were the son of John so I deleted one of them. An improvement No? I would like to take the trip and when at Owensville try to work on the cemetery on the farm a coouple days. Doyal Gudgel From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Organization: Syracuse University Library Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:31:21 EDT Hi all you Gudgel cousins, This past weekend I downloaded the entire archives of our listserv and read through it. I found a few places where I might have some information to share. I read every message and appreciate everything everyone sends! In regard to the Missouri Gudgel's I would like to put my two-cents worth in on Richard J. and Phoebe Henderson that Linda found on the Web last September. According to my records Richard J. Gudgel is the son of John Gudgel and Cynthia Ann Brown. I found Richard and his family in the 1900 Soundex when at the Kansa City National Archives and Records Center some years back: 1900 Federal Soundex Jefferson Co., Iowa Buchanon Township v.39, ed.42, sheet 9, line 85 GUDGELL, R.J. June 1843 56 MO Phoebe wife Apr. 1859 43 Iowa Licurgas son Apr. 187 21 Ill. Love. M. dau Apr. 1882 18 Iowa Laura L. dau Apr. 1882 18 Iowa Robert V. son May 1885 15 Iowa Henry C. son Mar. 1888 12 Iowa Lilie B. dau Feb. 1890 10 Iowa Mia Fleegel Skaneateles, NY From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Organization: Syracuse University Library Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:34:39 EDT Subject: James Robinson Gudgell (1849-1897) Hi all, I lived in Kansas City for almost 10 years and did some research on the Gudgell/Simpson interest in Herefords. This article was especially interesting as it discusses both his family and the business. I found it at the Public Library in Kansa City. Encyclopedia of the History of Missouri Vol.III H. Conrad page 131 GUDGELL, James Robinson, was born September 26, 1849, in Bath County, Kentucky, and died June 2, 1897, at his home in Independence, Missouri. His parents were Joseph and Louise (Groves) Gudgell. The father was a prominent business man and was actively identified with banking interests. Both parents were born in Kentucky. James R. Gudgell was educated in the select schools of his native State, the University of Virginia, from which he graduated, and the University of Heidelberg, Germany. He was a man of strong mentality and great brain capacity. He was a thorough student of all branches of science, in which he found particular interest, was well versed in the languages and a student of medicine. A thoroughly trained mind was his, capable of grasping the secrets of knowledge and applying them intelligently and with practical force. When he returned from Heidelberg he came to Missouri and engaged in the banking business at Kansas City. Subsequently he engaged in the cattle-raising business in Colorado in company with his brother, Charles Gudgell, W.A. and John Towers and D.A. Smart. They had large ranches in Colorado and owned the Pan Handle ranch in Texas and the celebrated "Ox" in Montana. Mr Gudgell, being greatly interested in fine breeds of cattle, went abroad and was the first purchaser of the famous Pole Angus cattle for his section of the country. He also imported one of the first herds of Hereford cattle. The firm to which he belonged is now Gudgell & Simpson, and is one of the recognized leaders in the breeding of animals valuable on account of the superior blood record accorded to them. As a business man Mr. Gudgell was conservative even when great successes were promised, and his excellent judgment served him well in transactions involving large amounts of money. He was a staunch Democrat, but did not allow his activity in politics to lead him into search for public honors. He was a true, conscientious Christian and was a member of the Baptist Church. He was made a Mason duting his residence in Colorado. Mr. Gudgell was married June 30, 1887, to Miss Lettie Lee Rochester, daughter of the late Colonel C.H. Rochester, of Danville, Kentucky. Mrs. Gudgell is a descendant of Nathaniel Rochester, four generations removed, the founder of the city of that name in the State of New York. Mrs. Gudgell was carefully educated and spent about two years abroad after the death of her husband in art studies. She is a lady of culture and refinement. One who knew him well and intimately wrote the following lines soon after Mr. Gudgell's death, and the words show the esteem in which the man was held: "He possessed in high degree and beautiful harmony those rare qualities which make a gentleman. He was always and genuinely a gentleman. He was a man of unaffected learning. He had a liberal education and a cultue broadened by extensive travel. He had a keen appreciation of the beautiful in nature and art. He loved the tiniest flower and nursed it with delicate care. His taste was exquisite. As a business man he had large experience and an honorable record. He was generous to a fault. Those who knew him well felt, involuntarily, the touch of a noble spirit. By nature and by grace he was a modest man. He hated hypocrisy, shams and shoddy. He loved the natural, the sincere, the genuine. As a husband he was thoughtful, tender, kind, patient, loving and faithful. For many years he was rarely free from pain, yet through it all he was patient, heroic." Mia K. Fleegel Skaneateles, NY Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:43:05 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: "Mia K. Fleegel" , Subject: Re: James Robinson Gudgell (1849-1897) Isn't it great to meet someone you have only known as a name on some genealogy papers. Nice to know you are still around. I have had papers from Mia for years. So long in fact I don't know where they came from. Nice to meet you, Mia Doyal Gudgel Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:00:33 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: News letter OK For better or worse the newsletter has gone out to about 175 people with Gudgel connections. Just made it to as just before copying the last 50 the copier went belly up. To fix would cost the price of a new copy machine. I had to go to Office Max to print the last 50. I haven't decided whether to buy a new copy machine or just print out the next issue at Office Max. Copies there are 5 cents but most personal copiers I know of cost that much to run anyway. That's what the new digital copiers cost. You will see the analogy copiers costing about 3 and a half cents to run per copy. Most of the cheaper ones cost 6 or even 7 cents per copy. I am pretty sure I will buy a new copier but whether to go with the old technology or the more expensive digital I have not decided. I may wait a few months and see if someone cant make a digital copy machine that reproduces copies for 3 or 3 and a half cents. I'm looking for someone who has an interesting story for the next issue of the newsletter. Anyone who would like to submit something please contact me. Some should receive their copy of the newsletter today and some by Monday Have a nice day. Doyal Gudgel Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:09:04 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Need info on Confederate Gudgels In preparation for an upcoming article on Gudgels who fought for the South I have found that I have no family connections for any of them. I have their military records such as it is but do not have any connections to our genealogy. I'll give out their names as what I have that might help you identify them if you have any information. I do not have any birth or death dates. These military records were collected when the government went through the military records and extracted the names and what information was available. Which was not much. As the Federal Government didn't issue pensions to Confederate soldiers there are no pension records. Some of the individual states did though. The following are the names I have. They should all be fairly young I would presume as they were either cavalry or Infantry. I found one Elijah in my list of Gudgels but he was obviously not the Confederate Elijah Gudgel. Martin V Gudgell He was probably from Lexington Kentucky area as he enlisted there. E O Gudgell. No information. He died in captivity so probably didn't leave any heirs. From Kentucky E Gudgell. Probably from Lawrenceburg Ky. Elijah Gudgell. Enlisted at Fayettville Tenn. Some of the others could be from Tennessee too. William Gudgel. Place of residence was given as Anderson county. He entered the army at Camp Green River Ky. I don't know enough about Ky to know if it is near Anderson County. If anyone has any personal information on these individuals I would really appreciate getting it. Thanks Doyal Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:04:36 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: RE: GUDGEL SURNAME IN TEXAS Hi Everybody- I contacted this Trent GUDGEL when I found his name while surfing the web (heaven knows where) but I left him a message and he has responded. Apparently he is an attorney or works in the legal profession and wants to know more about the family. If we can get more info. from him I feel sure this will extend one of our existing lines. If anyone has any info. on Texas GUDGEL's or any of his ancestors please respond to him and to the list also. BTW, Thanks to Mia Fleegle for her input on Richard GUDGEL of IL, MO and IA. That was a plus for me. Had his name and nothing else. (Yeah!) Would love to know more about the Missouri GUDGEL's if anyone has information. I still have a file folder full of collected data and just can't seem to fit them to our KY kin with 100% accuaracy. Think the problem arises with two John GUDGEL's. John M. and John T. Any comments? Doyal-I will check on the War veterans from my end. I am especially interested in Elijah (Eliza) GUDGEL of Anderson Co., KY. Think his brother was William you mentioned. I found Elijah's military marker in the GUDGEL Cemetery in Anderson Co. and know he was a son of ELijah, Sr. and Lydia BELL but have numerous marriages with the name Elijah and can't determine who/when/ or how many times he married. He's been driving me crazy!! Also, can anyone inform us with more detail about the Iowa GUDGEL's? I'm also interested in Kansas in the early years. Let's all try and remember to respond to the list more, as well as an individual, so that we can all share in this. I, for one, don't want to miss anything! Have a great day, Linda >From: tgudgel@nicholswolfe.com (Trent A. Gudgel) >To: "'lfinnell'" >Subject: RE: GUDGEL SURNAME >Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:23:45 -0600 > >Ms. Finnell: > > I'm sorry it took me so long to respond, but I have been busy preparing for an upcoming trial. I am an attorney in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I was born in Tulsa in 1963. I have two older brothers, Thomas H. Gudgel, III (the oldest) and Troy W. Gudgel (in the middle). Both of my brothers are married and live in Tulsa. > > I am married to Lori A. Gudgel. Lori's maiden name is Welker. We have three children, Brett (age 8), Brooke (age 4) and Carly (age 5 months). > > My father is Thomas H. Gudgel, Jr. and my mother is Becky Gudgel. They live in Tulsa. My grandfather was Thomas H. Gudgel, deceased. He was born outside of Sherman, Texas in 1910. I think he had two brothers and four sisters. I don't remember all of their names, but one brother was named John. I don't remember his parents' names, but I am going to get that information from my parents and I will let you know. My grandfather was married to Zoie Gudgel who is alive and living in Tulsa. > > My father has one brother, John H. Gudgel. He also lives in Tulsa and is married to Pat Gudgel. They have three boys also, John, Jeff and Jud. All three of them live in Tulsa. > > I went to high school with Lisa Gudgel. She is my age. I don't know where she lives now. I think her father is Howard Gudgel. I don't know his parents names. Howard is not directly related to my grandfather. > > That is about all of the information I can think of right now. If you have any information regarding Gudgels who lived in or around Sherman, Texas in the late 1800's or early 1900's, I would like to learn more about them. > >Thanks, >Trent > >---------- >From: lfinnell >Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 12:05 AM >To: tgudgel@nicholswolfe.com >Subject: GUDGEL SURNAME > >Hi Trent >I was just searching the net for GUDGEL and your page came up among 350 >entries. >I have researched the GUDGEL name for about 20 years and just wondered if >you'd care to share a little about your family background and ancestors. >I see you are an attorney and I also work in the legal system as a >District Court deputy clerk. > >BTW, you may want to check out the GUDGEL Homepage-we are all related at >some point so far. http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgel.htm >Look forward to hearing from you. >Linda GUDGEL FINNELL >Woodford County, Kentucky > > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:21:48 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL SURNAME IN TEXAS Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Doyal-I will check on the War veterans from my end. I am especially > interested in Elijah (Eliza) GUDGEL of Anderson Co., KY. Think his brother > was William you mentioned. I found Elijah's military marker in the GUDGEL > Cemetery in Anderson Co. and know he was a son of ELijah, Sr. and Lydia BELL > but have numerous marriages with the name Elijah and can't determine > who/when/ or how many times he married. He's been driving me crazy!! The records I have show William Gudgel son of Elijah and Lydia Bell as being born Dec. 5, 1828. That would have made him 33 at the beginning of the War. That is possible that this william is the same as the William Gudgel I have as a Confederate soldier.. But you would think at that age he would have had some record of a marriage and children. Perhaps land holdings. I have no way of looking this up. Lydia and Elizah were married in Mercer county but had children in Anderson county where William was born. How far from Mercer county is Anderson county? Unfortunately I have to look on suspicion with all my records as they were merged from Gedcom files and think there are lots of errors > > Also, can anyone inform us with more detail about the Iowa GUDGEL's? > I'm also interested in Kansas in the early years. You remind me that I should have some military records of Union soldiers from Iowa. Will look it up. Have a nice day. It's raining in Seattle. But a dry rain. Doyal Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:01:05 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Richard J. and Phoebe (Henderson) Gudgel I cant find Richard J or this John Gudgel in my tree records. Can anyone get it back one more generation so I might place them in the tree where they belong? Thanks Have a nice day. Still raining in Seattle. Seattlites don't tan, they rust. Doyal "Mia K. Fleegel" wrote: > > Hi all you Gudgel cousins, > > This past weekend I downloaded the entire archives of our listserv > and read through it. I found a few places where I might have some > information to share. I read every message and appreciate everything > everyone sends! > > In regard to the Missouri Gudgel's I would like to put my two-cents > worth in on Richard J. and Phoebe Henderson that Linda found on the > Web last September. According to my records Richard J. Gudgel is > the son of John Gudgel and Cynthia Ann Brown. I found Richard and > his family in the 1900 Soundex when at the Kansa City National > Archives and Records Center some years back: > > 1900 Federal Soundex > Jefferson Co., Iowa > Buchanon Township > v.39, ed.42, sheet 9, line 85 > > GUDGELL, R.J. June 1843 56 MO > Phoebe wife Apr. 1859 43 Iowa > Licurgas son Apr. 187 21 Ill. > Love. M. dau Apr. 1882 18 Iowa > Laura L. dau Apr. 1882 18 Iowa > Robert V. son May 1885 15 Iowa > Henry C. son Mar. 1888 12 Iowa > Lilie B. dau Feb. 1890 10 Iowa > > Mia Fleegel > Skaneateles, NY - Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:15:54 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: EGudgel@aol.com, gudgell Subject: Re: News letter EGudgel@aol.com wrote: > > I would guess you sent letters other than email list as the letter was > addressed to my wife Charline. I have some old photographs of old homestead > of William Gudgel at Gudgel Center site 1880 photograph of all the > grandmothers. What is easiest way to send them? I hope to write a piece > about my mother who lived just short of 105 years of age. Ed Gudgel Enjoyed > the newsletter very much! Yes I sent letters to 175 Gudgels. All those on the Gudgel reunion list of Gail McAuley and all I could find in the phone books. I think it would be ok to send them by email. I can reproduce them if need be from jpg or what ever if need be. Doesn't work too well to scan them from a print out of a jpg etc. You could post them to a web page if that is easier. I could then download them. Gudgel Center? Do you mean Bobs web page? I'll take a look. I don't look there as much as I should. None of the list got a newsletter unless they asked for it. If they were in a phone book somewhere I might have put them on the list. Anyone on the list that wants the next one please let me know. Would love to have the piece on your mother. Still a drizzle in Seattle. Doyal Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:34:27 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Confederate GUDGEL's Doyal- I had a few minutes tonight to look up some notes on the names you questioned about Confederate GUDGEL's: Martin Van GUDGEL was a Lieutenant in the Kentucky Cavalry an also served as Sheriff of Anderson Co., KY in 1867. This is one of my elusive GUDGEL's in this area and I have not been able to place him in my lines. I suspect her is from the family of Elijah Edward GUDGEL but am not for sure. So many Elijah's they confuse me but this is not the Elijah GUDGEL,Sr. that married Lydia BELL. You also asked about Elijah GUDGEL's mariage to Lydia BELL in Mercer Co., KY-- yes, they married in Mercer Co., KY but apparently never lived there. Lydia was from Mercer Co. or at least on the edge of Mercer and Anderson Counties. They married there and settled in Anderson Co. where they raised a large family. Mercer Co. is a bordering county of Anderson Co.- county seat is Harrodsburg (which is also where the first Courts where held in Kentucky). Wonderful place to research too. There is a military marker in the GUDGEL Cemetery in Anderson Co., KY and it reads: Elizah GUDGEL, Co. H, 5th KY Regt., CAV, C.S.A. I am totally confused with about 3 Elijah's which are all sons, grandsons or nephews of old Elijah, Sr. I have a lot of data and many marriages but can't figure out who goes with whom. Lots of wives died young in those days so there were 2nd and sometimes 3rd marriages. I believe this Elizah (Elijah) to be the brother of William. There were two GUDGEL brothers who fought in the Orpahn Brigade-- Elijah and William. Elijah is listed above with the cemetery marker information, and William, who was in Co. G, 6th Regt., Infantry and buried in the Hebron Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY. William was born Dec. 5, 1828 and died May 11, 1893. I received quite a lot of information about William from a grandson by the name of William Dix Williams of Louisville, KY. An excellent article was written in the Louisville Genealogical Society publication in the Fall of 1988 by Mr. Williams. Maybe you'd like to include it in a future newsletter? He also sent me a photograph of William GUDGEL and his 2nd wife, Elizabeth HERNDON, as well as lineage charts and a letter dated 1864 which he wrote to his father, Elijah, Sr. If you could share what information you have from the military records you have acquired possibly I can place others and offer more data. Hope this helps. Linda Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:34:29 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Richard J. GUDGEL link I have other data which Doyal requested on the Richard J. GUDGEL census data that Mia supplied from the 1900 census data of Iowa: Richard J. GUDGEL was the son of John M. GUDGEL and Cynthia BROWN. Grandson of Jacob GUDGEL and Druscilla DRISKELL. Great-grandson of old Andrew, Sr. Linda Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:37:51 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: More Gugels with no place to plug them into the chart I have hard concrete information from pension records on John D Gudgel who entered service in Co. F 3rd Iowa cavalry. His pension claim gives the names of his children and spouse. Other Gudgels appear in the papers but with no indication of their connection. Does anyone know where he fits into the Gudgel scheme of things? John D Gudgell, died March 26, 1888 Married Lucinda Sophia Haywood. June 10, 1866 Their children were Spencer Gudgell June 13, 1872 Fred Gudgell, June 22 1878 Jennie Gudgell May 11, 1880 A witness in some of the papers was a Cynthia A. Gudgel who was 82 (without benefit of modern medicine :) )on July 4, 1888 when the paper was signed. More Gudgell's signed papers but for which I have no records are a B F Gudgell and Maria Gudgell. Probably husband and wife. All these people signed their name with two "l"s. Any help would be appreciated. These people were living around Keokuk Iowa. Actually I think the town was Fairfield but they had to go to Keokuk to find a court of record to make a pension claim. No free lunch in those days. From: "JAS S POPE" Subject: Re: More Gudgels .... Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:20:02 -0600 Cynthia Ann Gudgel is the wife of John Godgel dec'd of Livingston Co, = MO. My census record shows her age to be 1 year younger. Ido not have = oer death date. I suspect that the group which has Spencer Gudgel are descendents of old = Andrew's son Daniel Gudgel who moved to Ill. sometime after 1850. I = dont' remember the county and I've misplaced my records on this. = However, during the mid 1970s I visted the Illinois Archives at = Springfield several times and they used tohave a 3 x 5 card file of = surnames which were suposed to include the 1860 cenus. (the 1860 = coment is from memory and I'm not sure of its accuracy). From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:28:02 EDT Subject: More on the Hereford Gudgells This article may clear up the roll of Charles and James R. Gudgel[l] in the hereford business. I have more articles. Are you up for more on these famous beef breeders? In the Census below you see Mary and Elizabeth listed. I believe they are the daughters of Joseph's brother Rezin who died rather young. In my next message I will send what I have of Joseph's will. Mia 1850 Federal Census 1st District Bath County, Kentucky 750/750 GUDGIL, Joseph, Sr. 48 25,130 KY Louisa 35 KY Andrew 10 KY Ephraim 8 KY Charles 4 KY James 9/12 KY LOGAN, Jane 26 KY GUDGEL, Mary 16 KY Elizabeth 14 KY enumerated on September 14, 1850 [Note: this is the most property I have seen for any of my relatives!] ********************************************************************** >From "Kentucky Court and Other Records" page 166 Buried in Springfield Church Cemetery in Bath County: John A. GUDGELL May 11, 1840- May 16, 1863 Louisa J., consort of Joseph GUDGELL June 20, 1814 - July 28, 1861 Joseph GUDGELL May 10, 1858 - August 1, 1858 Elizabeth A. GUDGELL 1835-Sept. 12,1855 ********************************************************************** Gudgell and Simpson - Hereford Herds, Greatest in Missouri American Hereford Journal August 1, 1922 Before the days of the Civil War, a prominent farmer and stockman of Sharpsburg, Bath County, Ky., right in the heart of the blue grass section, was compelled to take 480 acres of land located near Greenwood, Jacson County, Mo., in payment for a debt. The name of the Kentuckian was Joseph Gudgell. He never saw the land he acquired in Missouri and had little interest in it. Kentucky soil was good enough for him. Joseph Gudgell had two sons. One of them was Charles Gudgell, who was born in 1847; the other was James R. Gudgell, who was born in 1849. Joseph Gudgell and T.A. Simpson formed a strong partnership in those old Kentucky days. They were of about the same age. Mr. Simpson was born May 22, 1822, in Bath County, Kentucky, and Joseph Gudgell was born in the same locality a few years earlier. Their specialty was mules. They bought and bred mules, fitted them for sale, and then disposed of them in various sections of the South. Death beckoned Joseph Gudgell in 1865. When he realized that he at last had encountered a foe which even his strong will could not overcome, he called "Governor" Simpson to his bedside and, as the death damp gathered on his brow, he entrusted to his straight-lipped partner the care of the two Gudgell lads who were soon to be left fatherless. Then as things grew darker, he whispered to 18-year-old Charles and to 16-year-old James; "I am leaving you now. The 'Governor' will take my place as a father to you. I want--" But Joseph Gudgell's spirit had left the earthly paradise of the Kentucky Blue grass for the wonders of Elysian fields. Thomas Alexander Simpson, to whose keeping the Gudgell boys were entrusted and who was later to become their partner in the greatest Hereford firm America has ever known--that of Gudgell & Simpson---was a remarkable character with an unusual history. Simpson Had Interesting History. Mr. Simpson came of Revolutionary stock. His father fought for the United States in the war of 1812 and was wounded at the battle of River Raisin, Canada. His childhood and early manhood were spent on a farm near his Kentucky birthplace where he laid the foundation for a training in stockraising that years afterward made him one of the best judges of cattle and horses in the United States. His father died when he was 6 years old and at the age of 12 he went to live with relatives in Putnam County, Indiana. Three years later, when he was 15, he went to another damily of relatives in Sangamon County, Illinois, where he stayed until 1844, farming and raising stock. In the fall of 1844---yound Simpson was 22 by this time---he returned to his home county in Kentucky. He left there, after a short stay, for Augusta, Ga., with a view of going into business. He remained in Georgia only a short time, however, and was soon back in Bath County, Kentucky, where his friends and relatives, the Gudgells, lived and where he formed a partnership with Joseph Gudgell. In 1851 Mr. Simpson married Francis Jane Simpson, a distant relative. Mrs. Simpson died in 1872. No children were born to ths union and Mr. Simpson, having lost his first love, never married again. Mr. Simpson left Kentucky for Cass County, Missouri in 1855 and then began his identification with the stock-raising interest of Missouri and the West. He operated a livery stable at Pleasant Hill and soon branched out into the raising and training of fine horses. When the Civil War came on, Mr. Simpson, being a strong sympathizer with the South, experienced the viccitudes of border warfare. Many of his horses were stolen and life was made so hazardous that he returned to Kentucky and resumed his business operations with his old partner, Joseph Gudgell. He remained in Kentucky for some time after Joseph GUdgell's death in 1865 and handled live-stock in partnership with Charles Gudgell, but 1870 found him back in Pleasnat Hill, MO. The same year found his tow wards, Charles Gudgell and James R. Gudgell, in the banking business in Kansas City. The GUdgell brothers also interested themselves in the range cattle firm of Towers & Gudgell which had ranches in Colorado and Montana. This firm was composed of John Towers, W. A. Towers and D.O. Smart, in addition to the tow Gudgells who owned a one-third interest in the concern but who gave the business very little personal attention. Two things actuated the Gudgells in movig to Missouri. One of them, of course, was the advice given them by Mr. Simpson and the other was the fact that they had ingerited from their father the 480 acre Greenwood farm which had come into the family years before in the way I already have described. Gudgells Move to Pleasant Hill. Charles and James Gudgell, unlike many of their fellow bankers, weathered the panic of 1873. A few years later they closed out their Kansas City interests and moved to Pleasant Hill where they once more were united with Mr. Simpson, who made his home from that time until his death with Charles Gudgell. THe Gudgell boys had been interested with Mr. Simpson in his Pleasant Hill activities, however, from the time of their advent in Missouri. THese activities included not only the livery barn, but aslo the buying and selling of horses and mules and the handling of grade Shorthorns. Mrs. Charles Gudgell's brother was also interested in the business for a time. Mr. Simpson never had any interest in the range cattle business of Towers & Gudgell and this firm ceased operations altogether in 1899. The Centennial Exposition held in Philadelphia in 1876 was featured in the cattle division by a display of Herefords made by the old war horse T.L. Miller of Beecher, Ill. Among other men to whose favorable notice Herefords were brought at this time were Charles and James Gudgell and "Governor" Simpson. Charles Gudgell visited the farm of F.W. Stone, Guelph, Ont., Can., in 1876 and bought the bull Picture 1403 by imp. Portrait 3d 1404, dam Peach 4th 1405. Picture was bred by Mr. Stone. Along with this bull Mr. Gudgell selected eight females---five cows and three two-year old heifers. Gudgells and Simpson Partners. In the fall of 1877 Charles Gudgell again visited the Stone herd and this time he secured Governor 4th 1293 (Eng, 4260) and a few cows and heifers. He also brought back about a dozen young bulls. Thus was started the first registered Hereford herd in Missouri. In May, 1878, the new Missouri Hereford firm conducted the first public sale of purebred Whitefaces ever held west of the Missouri River. The average was $256. The following year Mr. Gudgell bought a small number of females from Richard Humphries and W.W. Aldrich, both breeders at Elyria, O. It is well to remember that from the beginning of the Gudgell & Simpson Hereford operations, and long before, the firm was composed of Charles Gudgell, James R. Gudgell and T.A. Simpson, even though the firm name was not brought into use until 1880. In other words, the two Gudgells and Mr. Simpson were partners in all their Missouri livestock activities from the time they came to the state together in 1870. This is a fact that has often been overlooked and that has been misstated in public prints innumerable times. It is not the purpose of this story to review at any great length that part of the history of Gudgell & Simpson which has been given to the world many times and which is known to even the veriest tyro in Herford circles. I shall touch briefly, however,, upon a few points. In 1880 Mr. Simpson went to England and brought back with him 60 Herefords inclluding one yearling bull, the rest being heifers, cows and calves. He visited England again in 1881, being accompanied on this trip by James R. Gudgell. The partners secured 100 Herefords for this second importation, including the bulls Anxiety 4th 9904 and North Pole 8946. Besides these two wellknown bulls there were a lot of females and a bunch of young bulls for the Colorado ranch of Towrs & Gudgell. A consideralbe number of Angus were also imported at this time, as Gudgell & Simpson were then, and continued to be until 1888, extensive breeders of Angus. A third trip was made to England by Mr. Simpson and James R. Gudgell in 1882, this time about 100 Herefords, mostly females, were brought back besides a number of Angus. James R. Gudgell, the younger of the two Gudgell brothers and the one who made the reips to England with "Governor" Simpson in 1881 and 1882, is not as well known as his tow business associates, as he died in 1897. he was, however, a man of great ability. he was a graduate of the University of Virginia and afterwards spent a year in Heidelberg, Germany. He was a staunch admirer not only of Herefords but of Angus as well, and it was largely through his persuasion that Gudgell & Simpson made their Angus importations at the time they brought in their Herefords. Move to Independence in 1883. >From 1877 until 1883 Gudgell & Simpson made their headquarters at Pleasant Hill, Mo., and used the Greenwood farm. In 1883 they moved to Independence and while they still retained the Greenwood farm and kept it in pasture, they quartered their principal breeding cattle on a farm 33 1/2 miles northeast of Independence. They later acquired a farm at Richmond, Kas., so that when Mr. Simpson died in 1904, the firm was operating three farms containign 1,700 acres and was carrying about 750 Herefords. The progress of the herd can be traced to a large extent from noting the number of registrations made from year to year. These run as follows: 1879,1; 1880, 0; 1881, 7; 1882, 31; 1883, 57; 1884, 73; 1885, 93; 1886, 70; 1887, 67; 1888, 82; 1889, 51; 1890, 43; 1891, 63; 1892, 16; 1893, 54; 1894, 96; 1895, 115; 1896, 143; 1897, 93; 1898, 154; 1899, 170; 1900, 266; 1901, 304; 1902, 244; 1903, 264; 1904, 259; 1905, 257; 1906, 245; 1907, 268; 1908, 283; 1909, 206; 1910, 203; 1911, 238; 1912, 188; 1913, 141; 1914, 108; 1915, 335; 1916, 365; 1917, 67. Many of the calves produced were never registered and anmy carloads of purebred, unregistered bulls were sent to the range. The cattle purchased in America by Gudgell & Simpson at the time they started their herd in the late '70s had very little influence on the later herd as will be seen from a study of the pedigrees of Gudgell & Simpson cattle. They bred most of their animals themselves, adding very little outside blood after their English importations. Fifteen sons of Anxiety 4th were used by them, of which they considered Don Carlos 33734 the best. Anxiety 4th, by the way, was used for 10 years, from 1881 to 1891 and left 174 registered calves behind him. Besides these, a number of his bull calves were shipped to the range and never registered. Beau Brummel a Great Bull Beau Brummel 51817 was Don Carlos' outstanding son. In fact so highly was he esteemed that, in The Hereford Journal of Oct. 1, 1912, Gudgell & Simpson advertised their cattle as "Beau Brummel" Herefords. Beau Brummel was used longer and left more registered offspring in the heard than any other bull ever used by the Independence firm. With the exception of Anxiety 4th he is considered the greatest of the Gudgell & Simpson bulls. Shown in poor condition he won fourth as a two-year-old at the Chicago World's Fair. Beau Brummel was used in the herd for 12 years, from 1892 to 1904, and left a total of 365 registered calves. He was the sire of 23 bulls used more or less in the Gudgell & Simpson herd; some of the most important of these were Militant 71755, Beau Brilliant 86753, Beau Donorus 144615, Beau Modest 160589, Beau Dandy 145564 and Beau President 171349. Both Anxiety 4th and Beau Brummel died the property of Gudgell & Simpson. Beau Brummel's horns are now in The Hereford Journal office. Don Carlos, after he stopped breeding, was sold to William mcKitterick, Greenwood, Mo., for $40. Gudgell & Simpson did surprisingly little showing. They made their first appearance in the showring at the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago in 1893 where lamplighter 51834 was first in the senior yearling bull calss and Bright Duchess 15th 51821 won the blue in the under-year-old heifer class. They then annexed many ribbons for several years but made their last appearnance at the International in 1902 and at the Royal in 1905. "Governor" Simpson died on the morning of Jan.4, 1904, in Independence at the home of Charles Gudgell, with whom he had lived for 27 years. his death came after an illness of more than a year, during which time he was unable to leave his room and for the greater part of which time he was confined to his bed. His death was due to kidney trouble. he had also suffered severely from rheumatism. On the streets of Independence and in his partner's home there was much mourning when the "Governor" passed. he was laid to rest in Pleasant Hill, Mo., among the scenes of his early trials and triumphs. Charles Gudgell could not carry on this heavy business alone. The herd was sold on the old farm near Independence, June 28-29, 1916. Nineteen bulls brought $22,105, and average of $1,162. One hundred fifty-six females brought $73,155, an average of $468. The total realized for 175 head was $95,260, an average of $544. The top cow, Lady Stanway 9th 171354, with a bull calf by Beau Picture at side, went to Jowell & Jowell, Hereford, Tex., for $2,100; she was 13 years old. J.C. Robinson & Son, Evansville, Wis., secured Domino 264259 for $1,625. The top bull was Bright Stanway 366600 which went to E.M. Cassady & Son, Whiting, Ia., for $3,600. The night of June 28 visiting breeders were given a banquet in the Baltimore Hotel, kansa City, by Mr. Gudgell and T.F.B. Botham, who managed the sale. Breeders were present from New England to California and from Montana to Mississippi. Thus passed into history America's most noted herd of beef cattle, the herd that did nore to improve the quality of American beef than any other of any breed. It was truly a scattering of good seed that went into good hads, was carefully nurtured and brought forth an abundant harvest for the Hereford breed. Mr. and Mrs. Charles Gudgell left Independence, July 20, a few days after the sale, to spend the winter in California. They immediately started the building of a new home in Pasadena and had it almost completed when on the morning of Sept. 30, 1916, aMr. Gudgell died of an attack of acute indigestion after an illness of only five hours. His body was brought back to Independence and he now rests in Mount Washington Cemetery. Mr. Gudgell was a man of many activities. He was at one time president of the Hereford Association and was, for a long time, its secretary. For several years the books were kept at his house. Mr. Gudgell was survived by his wife and by three children, Frank O. Gudgell, Charles D. Gudgell and Mrs. Henry S. Boice. Mrs. Gudgell now lives in California with the daughter. Frank O. Gudgell and Charles D. Gudgell still operate the ranch at Edmond, Kas., which they have reduced to 8,510 acres and where they handle a turnover of about 1,000 grade Herefords each year besides a large number of hogs. part of the land they lease to wheat growers. An Ideal Hereford Partnership. Probably no more ideal partnership has ever existed than that of Gudgell & Simpson. Mr. Gudgell was a college man, having received his education at Kentucky University, Lexington. he looked after the business affairs of the concern, kept the records, anmed the animals and prepared the catalogues of the sales. Mr. Simpson, with a practical knowledge of livestock and an ability to plan matings and discern the possibilities of individuals which was little short of superhuman, was an undailing tower of strength. The firm was peculiarly fortunate in its choice of superintendents and herdsmen, I have space here for only brief mention of some of them whom I know personally. William Stevenson, who managed the Greenwood farm from 1894 to 1905, was born in Banffshire, Scotland,, in 1859. He came from Scotland right to the Greenwood farm 33 years ago, landing among the Gudgell & Simpson Herefords in June, 1889. After five years on the place he became manager and held the position continuously for 11 years. Then he began farming for himself and is now located on 200 acres 2 1/2 miles northwest of Greenwood where he has been for 14 years. He was a man of much value to his employers. George Hendry, who was with Gudgell & Simpson continuously for 20 years, from 1888 to 1908, during 16 years of which time he was superintendent of the Independence farm, was born in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, in 1862. His work for the firm, as well as that of his brothers, was of the faithful and valuable kind which is all too rare in these days. George Shand, who was employed on the Independence farm of Gudgell & Simpson from MArch, 1885, until 1896, is a native of Aberdeenshire, Scotland, and was born in 1845. He is still alive and in a mine of information regarding the great Missouri herd during the time Anxiety 4th was "turning it upside down," as he expresses it. His cattle knowledge was invaluable to the Independence firm. Emphasized Value of Females. No breeding concern in Hereford history has ever placed more emphasis upon good females than Gudgell & Simpson. A study of the names of their animals reveals this. Both male and female lines of descent took their names from the dams. In other words Gudgell & Simpson emphasized families founded upon notable females. It was customary, as a general thing, to give the bulls produced by a cow a name beginning with the same letter of the alphabet that began the dam's name, and to five the females produced by a cow the name of the dam with a number suffix. Thus we have Beau Mischief taking his name from his dam Mischievous. Pretty Lady 25th had Dam PRETTY Lady 16th out of Pretty Lady 3d. Sometimes, howeer the offspring, both male and female, were simply named with the beginning letter the same as that of the dam. For example, the calves of Dowager 8987 were called Dowry, Donation, Don Juan, Donation 2d, Doncaster, etc. This plan originated with Mr. Gudgell who devoted many hours of study to proper naming and, as a result, no herd of Herefords with which I am familiar carried such appropriate and illuminating and euphonious names as the Gudgell & Simpson cattle. "Governor Simpson paid no attention to the recorded names of the cattle. he knew them as a father knows his children and applied pet names to all of them. For instance there was one family which he called the "Stubs", another referred to as the "Snubs," another as the "Lightnings," and so on down the line. Any unusual or interesting incident furnished an excuse for the "Governor" to hang a name on a cow and her produce. For instance, one of the Guudgell & Simpson cows was struck by lightning one day. She recovered but was a sadder animal ever after. "Governor" Simpson at once called her "Lightning" and referred to her descendants as "Lightnings." Starting on the history of a herd like that of Gudgell & Simpson is like starting on the use of a strong stimulant. It is easy to start but hard to stop. The way to stop is to stop. Hence this story ends right here, although it would be possible to ramble on with for countless pages of the Journal. From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:45:06 EDT Subject: Land Records - Rezin Gudgel Do you all know about the site for Ilinois public land record? My family has been in Illinois for many generations and it is a gold mine of information. Rezin moved to Maucopin Co., IL and died 2 years later but it looks like he did buy land. Mia GUDGELL RESIN May 17, 1836 Federal sale (FD) http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/history/family/miltract.html In May 1812, an act of Congress was passed which set aside bounty lands as payment to volunteer soldiers for the War against the British (War of 1812). The land was set aside in the present states of Arkansas, Michigan and Illinois. The bounty land in Illinois is located in the western part of the state between the Illinois and Mississippi Rivers [see map below on this page]. It includes all of the present counties of Adams, Brown, Calhoun, Fulton, Hancock, Henderson, Knox, McDonough, Mercer, Peoria, Pike, Schuyler, Stark, and Warren Counties. It also includes part of Henry and Bureau Counties, and those parts of Marshall and Putnam which are on the west side of the Illinois River. The area comprises about 5.4 Million acres. Approximately 3.5 Million was deemed fit for cultivation and was set aside for military bounties. The tract was surveyed in 1815-1816 and opened to settlement. Then warrants for land were issued by the government. Many of these land grants can be found by searching Illinois Public Land Sales. Purchaser: GUDGELL RESIN Record ID: 190472 Date: 05/17/1836 Acres: 38.72 Price: $1.25 Type of sale: Federal sale (FD) County: 059 (Macoupin) Section: 31 Section Part: SWNW Township: 10N Range: 08W Meridian: 3 Purchaser Res: 31 Arch. Vol. No: 325 Vol. Page No.: 028 GUDGELL RESIN Aug. 15, 1836 Federal sale (FD) Purchaser: GUDGELL RESIN Record ID: 198473 Date: 08/15/1836 Acres: 177.28 Price: $1.25 Type of sale: Federal sale (FD) County: 59 (Macoupin) Section: 6 Section Part: NE Township: 09N Range: 08W Meridian: 3 Purchaser Res: 59 Arch. Vol. No: 339 Vol. Page No.: 095 From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Organization: Syracuse University Library Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:53:24 EDT Subject: Social Security Death Index - GUDGEL/NY Some time back I downloaded all the Gudgel[l]s in the Social Security Death Index. I have been trying to identify them but I still list most of them as unknowns. If you are interested I'll post them in small groups and maybe you will know some of them. I'll start with New York state: GUDGEL, LILLIAN 050-42-6022 (NY) b. 24 Nov 1909 d. 19 Sep 1992 lr. Buffalo, Erie, NY 14217 GUDGEL, MYRTLE 054-38-5434 (NY) b. 15 May 1882 d. Apr 1987 lr. Buffalo, Erie, NY 14217 GUDGEL, JAMES 063-18-0534 (NY) b. 20 Sep 1896 d. May 1971 lr. Houston, Harris, TX 77025 GUDGEL, JOHN 070-09-8305 (NY) b. 13 Sep 1902 d. Feb 1965 lr. Buffalo, Erie, NY 14222 GUDGEL, GILBERT 085-20-5390 (NY) b.09 Jan 1926 d. 29 Aug 1992 lr. Henrietta, Monroe, NY 14467 GUDGEL, IRENE 098-18-5932 (NY) b. 29 May 1897 d. 09 Nov 1989 lr. Houston, Harris, TX 77063 GUDGEL, MARY 125-28-7009 (NY) b. 11 Jun 1937 d. Mar 1978 lp.Buffalo, Erie, NY 14150 Do any of them sound familiar? I don't know a single one. Mia From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:59:02 EDT Subject: Will of Joseph Gudgel, Bath Co., KY J. Gudgell Bath County, Kentucky Wills, page 136 (very clear readable handwriting) I Joseph Gudgel Senior being weak in body but of disposing mind and memory make and constitute the following my last will and testament. 1st I will and appoint that my executors hereinafter named shall cause to be paid all my just debts as soon after my decease as practicable. 2d After the payment of all my just and lawful debts I will and bequeath to my three children "to wit" Ephraim Oliver, Charles and James R. all my real and personal estate in fee simple as hereinafter provided. . . Help Linda! How far is Bath County from you? When I sent for this the court house LEFT OUT this middle section ot the will !! Does anyone out there have it?? . . . for the spread of the Gospel throughout the world first beginning at Olivet church in Bath County and State of Kentucky by giving to the preacher who labors at that place the sum 10$ to be paid anually and every year. this donation of ten dollars to be given and only given to those who are of the Associate Reformed order or that do use the Scripture Psalms and also the ?Dvetsinis? and usages as are now used in the A S Reformed Church, as now belonging to the Prisbytery of Kentucky and this presbytery under the care of the Synod of the South Five. Five dollars more to be given out of my estate anually if needed to Keep up the necefsary repairs about the graves fencing &, the balance of this fourth part to be used for the spread of the Gospel, next in the county of Bath and then throughout the State of Ky and afterwards throughout the whole world as my highly esteemed friend Salem Wallace may see fit to do having the whole controll of this 2d fourth part of my estate who is my executor whom I appoint to do all my businefs of every kind, sell lands in any of the States make titles to the same, to include all and every thing, to do all my businefs the same as is I was alive and in doing it myself my attorney in fact, I would here advise him but not direct. Try the plan of putting this portion of funds in some safe institution and only to use the proceeds of same say 5 years on trial and see how the thing will work and if him or his sucefsor which I here direct and desire him ?carristly? to to select and appoint, he having the power given him by me to do so find in the providence of God a better plan they are at liberty to do so. And now for his compensation for his and their labors in my estate, they are to have the whole of the last fourth part of my estate for his use and benefit so soon as it may come into his hands except one portion of two hundred and 50 dollars to be given unto J.C. Lund's wife and children as a gift from me. Now as to the third fourth part of my estate my direction is put the money in some safe investment if not so maney making for the entire benefit of my black people whom I now own or may hereafter be in my pofsefsion the names of whom are John whose complection is dark and of medium heiht and is good looking an aged I think 23 years; the woman named Louisa is I suppose about 28 years or more of age yellow complection her size above medium an able bodied person and has at this time a child a girl those three blacks may at any time be free if they will go to Liberia in Africa and shall have a portion of tools suitable for farming and all other necefsary things for people who are a going to house keeping and also to have one hundred dollars and all Bank Stock that I have in said Bank 7th I will and desire that mifs Jane Logan who has long lived in my family shall live with and have a support as long as she may desire to make her home with my children, but should she at any time change her home then her support to stop 8th I consitute and appoint Danile R. Jones and John H. Gudgel Executors of this my last will and testament. This the 29th day of June eighteen hundred and sixty three. Joseph Gudgell Sr. Signed and acknowledged in the presence of Ephraim Caldwell and G.J. Thomas on the day and date above written Ephraim Caldwell G J. Thomas Attest. ********************************************************************* I wonder if John and Louisa and the girl went to Liberia? Does anyone know who John H. Gudgel might be? I couldn't read 2 words marked with ?? I put down the letters that I could. Perhaps some legal minds can figure them out. Linda, could you list the names and family branches that you know were in Bath Co.? Mia From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:00:42 EST To: mkfleege@library.syr.edu, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: More on the Hereford Gudgells Mia; I, for one, am very interested in the Hereford Gudgel's. I have spent a fair amount of time gathering information on them, but you have much more than I do. My interest is not because we a closely related, we are not, but because I grew up on a ranch where we raised Herefords. My father was very proud of his herd of Herefords, and one of his great sorrows was having to sell off his herd shortly before he died. I would be interested in whatever you have. Thanks. Dave Gudgel Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:56:35 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: JAS S POPE Subject: Re: More Gudgels .... Cynthia was 82 which would make her birth date near 1800. Is this the same person you refer to? If so who is the father of John? Do we know for sure? That is what I am trying to establish. Thanks for your reply. Doyal Gudgel The sun is shining in Seattle. But rain is headed this way they say. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict that. JAS S POPE wrote: > > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:16:00 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: John D. GUDGEL pension records Doyal- In response to the information you quoted from Pension records of a John D. GUDGEL: The Cynthia A. GUDGEL, who was 82 on July 4, 1888 when the pension application was filed was the wife of John M. GUDGEL who went from KY>IL>MO. Cynthia Ann BROWN GUDGEL was born December 23, 1805 and died November 4, 1897. She married Dec. 15, 1818 Franklin Co., KY (later Anderson County) to John M. GUDGEL. John was born 1795 Franklin Co., KY (Became Anderson Co. in 1827) and died aft. 1850. I don't have a specific John D. GUDGEL listed but I do have lots of John's. Not sure who this John is that married Lucinda Sophia HAYWOOD. Can someone identify this family for me? Other persons listed in the pension records that I can identify are B.F. GUDGEL (Benjamin Franklin GUDGEL) and his wife Mariah FARRINGTON. B.F. GUDGEL was a son of John M. GUDGEL and Cynthia Ann BROWN GUDGEL. I believe the pension application spelled her name Maria but I feel sure this is Mariah (and this was his only wife). Mia-Can you specifically identify the children of John M. GUDGEL and Cynthia BROWN? I have questions on a couple of these. Hope this helps. Linda Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:21:21 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL and WITHERSPOON SURNAMES Below is another response from someone interested in the GUDGEL surname. They are related through Jacob GUDGEL (s/o William GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN) and Mary Jane WITHERSPOON. Jacob and Mary Jane were both born in Oakland City, Gibson Co., IN and went to Clay Center, Clay Co., KS. I'll contact them and hopefully we can get some additioanl information on this family. Linda >Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:32:37 -0600 >From: Susan & Tony >To: Linda Gudgel Finnell >Subject: Re: GUDGEL SURNSAME > >Sorry it's taken me a while to reply .. we're trying to get >our house ready to sell and to build our new one .. it's >crazy around here .. not much time right now for family tree > >I am related to Andrew thru his son's (Jacob Gudgel) >wife. . she's a witherspoon .. Mary Jane Witherspoon >to be exact .. her father >Lemuel Witherspoon married a Violet Ann Wallace >and it is thru the Wallaces that I am related.... my cousin >Jerry and my parents did most of the research .. >I couldn't really tell you who all I'm related to cuz they >have all researched it every which way .. well my cousin >Jerry did any how .. I'm not directly related .. but we are >working on the book about the Gudgel farm .. I am hoping >to get the work done on it *me and mom* this summer >between contractors and dirt work..........any questions >let me know ..... got to run and fix lunch for the kids >we got 2 little ones .. > >talk to you soon! > >~ Susan > >PS thanks for the URL > > >Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > >> Susan- >> Always glad to meet another cousin! Thanks for replying. You never really >> said how you were realted to the GUDGEL's? And is your mother online also? >> >> I am a descendant of Jacob GUDGEL and Druscilla DRISKILL. Jacob was the son >> of Andrew GUDGEL and wife #1 or #2. I am a native of Anderson Co., KY and >> reside in Woodford Co., KY. Andrew (we call him Old Andrew) came from >> Fayette Co., PA to KY about 1788-1789 and was in this county till about >> 1810-1811, when he went to Gibson Co., IN. >> >> There is so much we could share but I'll wait until you have visited the >> GUDGEL Home page on the interenet. We also have a mail list now (not on >> Rootsweb) and have about 30 subscribers- all interested in the GUDGEL's and >> their related families. You can access the mail list from the Home page at: >> >> http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgel/htm >> >> This page is run by Bob GUDGEL, son of Doyal GUDGEL who lives in Washington >> state. If you care to join the list we'd love to have you. >> Just jump right in with any questions. Also a GUDGEL newsletter is about to >> be released very soon and it will be on the page also, besides being mailed >> to others who are not online. >> >> Please tell me more! Look forward to hearing from you. >> Linda >> >> > >-- > /\\=//\ Think Spring.... > / /6 6\ \ > / =\_Y_/= \ /\\=//\-"""-. > / ^ \ / /6 6\ \ \ > / | \ =\_Y_/= (_ ;{} > {}( | | | ) /^//_/-/__/ jgs > `"" ""` "" "" """ > > > > > From: "JAS S POPE" To: "Mia K Fleegel" Subject: Re: Land Records-Rezin Gudgel Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:09:43 -0600 Ms. Fleegel: Thenks for your message as I've looked for Rezin Gudgel and knew = that he had gone to Illinois and had died there but never knew that he = was in Macoupin Co. Macoupin lies between Jersey and Montgomery Cos. = and these counties were the home counties of my grandfather and = grandmother Pope which I spoke about in the Christmas memories on the = Gudgel mail list "The Goose Hangs High" in Dec. I hope I understood your first sentence question "Do you all know = about the site for the Illinois public land record?" as asking for = information. If I'm correct my wife and I offer the following. A book I recommend highly is SEARCH and RESEARCH by Noel C. = Stevenson, pub. by Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah 1973. = On page 113 it gives the location of official "Land Records: Deeds, = mortgages, leases, and other matters affecting title of land at the = Recorder of Deeds, County Seat." The other book is The SOURCE -- A Guide Book of American Genealogy, = Edited by Arlene Eakle & Johni Cerny -- Ancestry Publishing Company, = Salt Lake City, Utah, 1984. On page 241 there is a long paragraph = about Illinois land records. The book editors recommend reading = Victoria Irons and Patrica C. Brennan's Descriptive Inventory of the = archives of the state of Illinois (Springfield, Illinois State Archives = 1978 pp 549 - 60. The SOURCE recommends a NARS microfilm M848, "War of = 1812 Military Bounty Land Warrants, 1815 - 1858." in fourteen rolls. = Also, House Document 282, 26th Congress, 1st session, 1840, has been = reprinted with an index as Lowell M. Volkel, War of 1812 Bounty Lands = in Illinois (Thompson, Ill. Heritage House 1978. There is more in the book material. I would expect to find these = books in any public or academic library which has a so-called = respectable genealogy section in its holdings. From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:47:01 EST Subject: Social Security List-NY Sorry, not a one of those Gudgel's look familiar. Dave Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:56:46 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: John D. GUDGEL pension records Thanks, I'll keep looking. I am reactivating all my Civil war pension and military records which might shed some light on some connections. Found a stack of stuff Dianne sent me way back in the 70's when she was going to WSU. Never really got to sort them out in such a way I could find anything. Now with Family Tree Maker I hope to do it. But it is a mountain of work. Doyal Gudgel Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > Doyal- > In response to the information you quoted from Pension records of a John D. > GUDGEL: > > The Cynthia A. GUDGEL, who was 82 on July 4, 1888 when the pension > application was filed was the wife of John M. GUDGEL who went from KY>IL>MO. > Cynthia Ann BROWN GUDGEL was born December 23, 1805 and died November 4, > 1897. She married Dec. 15, 1818 Franklin Co., KY (later Anderson County) to > John M. GUDGEL. John was born 1795 Franklin Co., KY (Became Anderson Co. in > 1827) and died aft. 1850. > > I don't have a specific John D. GUDGEL listed but I do have lots of John's. > Not sure who this John is that married Lucinda Sophia HAYWOOD. > Can someone identify this family for me? > > Other persons listed in the pension records that I can identify are B.F. > GUDGEL (Benjamin Franklin GUDGEL) and his wife Mariah FARRINGTON. B.F. > GUDGEL was a son of John M. GUDGEL and Cynthia Ann BROWN GUDGEL. I believe > the pension application spelled her name Maria but I feel sure this is > Mariah (and this was his only wife). > > Mia-Can you specifically identify the children of John M. GUDGEL and Cynthia > BROWN? I have questions on a couple of these. > Hope this helps. > Linda > > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:19:21 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: WILL OF JOSEPH GUDGELL-Bath Co., KY Mia- I'm confused about this Will of Jospeh GUDGELL that you submitted. I have what I consider to be the complete document and I'm not sure where this page about them going to Liberia came from. Could it be a Codicil to this Will? On second thought...I dug a little deeper and found the same page about Liberia....One this document it appears to have been pieced together to be copied. ?? Not sure what is going on with this. Joseph was apparently a very well to do person in those days and a good business man. Someone asked who was John H. GUDGEL, one of his appointed executors....John H. GUDGELL was the son of Allen GUDGELL of Bath Co., Allen was a brother of Joseph Sr....so John H. GUDGELL was Jospeh GUDGELL, Sr.'s nephew. I have some estate inventories and estate auction results for the estate of Allen GUDGELL that I will submit later. They are full of names that will prove quite interesting as to who bought what, etc. Linda I received this from the County Clerk in Bath Co., KY: J. GUDGELL WILL I, Joseph GUDGELL Senior being weak in body but of disposing memory make and constitute the following my last will and testament. 1st- I will and appoint that my Executors hereinafter named shall cause to be paid all of my just debts as soon after my decease as practicable. 2nd- After the payment of all my just and lawful debts I will and bequeath to my three children "to wit" Ephraim Oliver, Charles and James R. all my real and personal estate in fee simple as hereinafter provided. 3rd- I will and direct that my three children above named shall reamin on my farm occupying the same as tenants in common with all the stock and crops farming implements household and kitchen furniture that may be on hands at the time of my decease and it is my will that at any time after my death should any one of my three named sons who shall have arrived at the age of Twenty-one years desire a division of my lands and negroes money and all the afsets belonging to my estate at such time I will and direct that then a just equal and equitable division shall be made of my entire estate between them. 4th- I will that my three sons have the proceeds of my farm and stock as above named as long as they shall reamin as tenants in common dividing the same equally among themselves after paying the common expenses of the family. 5th- It is my will and desire that two of my Negro men and three of my negro girls and the children that they may have shall reamin at home with my three children for their use on the farm and the reamining negroes belonging to me are to be hired out by my executors and I exprefsley will that my negro man, Mason shall remain with my children on the farm and that he be kept in the family by my children during life. 6th- I will and direct that my exccutors shall as soon after my decease as practicable cause all of my property to be appraised except my farm and such of the negroes as I have directed above to remain on the farm with my three children and all the stock and crops household and other property that is about the house and on the farm which I do not desire shall be appraised or (interrupted?) by my executors, but they shall cause to be appraised the negroes that are to be hired out as above directed and all my notes and accounts and all money that I have on deposit in the Bank of Boyd Congleton and Company in the town of SHarpsburg, Bath Co., Kentucky and all the Bank stock I have in said Bank. 7th- I will and desire that Mifs (Miss) Jane Logan who has long lived in my family shall live with and have a support as long as she may desire to make her home with my children, but should she at any time change her home then her support to stop. 8th- I constitute and appoint Daniel R. Jones and John H. GUDGEL Executors of this my my Last Will and Testament. This the 29th day of June eighteen hundred and sixty three. Jospeh GUDGELL, Sr. Signed and acknowledged in the presence of Ephraim Caldwell and G.J. Thomas on the day and date above written. Ephraim Caldwell G.J. Thomas Attest Duly stamped with United States Internal Revenue Stamps to the amount of Twenty-Five dollars. R. (Coulthard?), Clerk State of Kentucky Bath County-Sct. I, Robert (Coulthard?). Clerk of the County Court for the county aforesaid do certify that this Instrument of writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of Joseph GUDGELL, Senior deceased was this day produced in open Court and proved by the oaths of Ephraim Caldwell and G.J. Thomas witnefses thereto subscribed and ordered to be recorded. Whereupon the same together with this certificate has been duly admitted to record in my office. Given under my hand this 24th day of August 1864. "Examined" R. Coulthard, Clerk From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:12:14 EST To: mkfleege@library.syr.edu, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Cc: john.gudgel@cwi.cablew.com, rgg@gfdl.gov, BGUDG@aol.com, EGudgel@aol.com Subject: Re: Social Security Death Index - GUDGEL/NY I Can help you with all but 2 James and Irene which say Houston, Harris, TX. First of all 2 names at least missing. Myrtle Gudgel is my mother. My father William not on your list. He was born 8/21/1884 in Ind. & d. 1961 Buffalo, NY. My brother Byron was 1911 & d. 1989 in Kenmore (Buffalo) NY 1989. His wife was Lillian (DeLozier) Mary was the first wife of David G son of Byron. Gilbert is my brother. John was from the Kentucky branch of the family and not to be confused with my son John Edward who is alive and living in Herndon, VA. Margaret (Schaertel) d. 1992 also in Hennrietta,Monroe NY. mkflle@ library.syr.edu please tell me about yourself and esp. your Gudgel relationship. My oldest daughter is a librarian in Pa. She is 51 today. Hope this helps. Ed Gudgel Fort Myers, FL Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:09:25 -0800 From: Chuck To: JAS S POPE Subject: Re: Daniel Gudgel Jim, One of your recent messages mentioned "Daniel Gudgel, son of Andrew . . ." I would be interested in knowing what you have on Daniel that may show him to be Andrew's son. Many of us have pondered his position in the family but have never seen any evidence one way or another. We thought he might be a young uncle or cousin of Andrew or a son as you mentioned. Please let us know what you have found out. Dianne G-H Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:09:27 -0800 From: Chuck To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: herford cattle Mia, Glad to hear you on-line again and thanks for all the cattle data. I was aware of some of that but certainly not the huge amount of detail you gave us. Thanks. Dianne G-H Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:56:06 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: BGUDG@aol.com CC: bgudgel@eskimo.com, gudgell Subject: Re: Gudgel connections newsletter Thanks for the kind words. It will be put to good use. In order to sort out who's who do you know if the Edward Gudgel you mentioned was the son of William Gudgel the last son of old Andrew? This Edward's wife was Elizabeth Blythe. I don't have a list of children. I don't have the connection of your William Thomas or William Craig yet. If you know for sure the Edward you write about is the Civil war vet and brother of some others like Henry T. (my GG grandfather), Nicholas, Andrew I can place him. Edward, Andrew, Nicholas, are all sons of William Gudgel. I hope to keep improving the Newsletter. support will certainly help. Are you on the gudgel-list? I think I have the Civil War records of Edward Gudgel. That might give me the list of his children which will identify your ancestors. If this Edward is actually your ancestor. Stay tuned. I'll go look. Doyal BGUDG@aol.com wrote: > > Doyal; > > Thanks so much for sending me a copy of the "connections" newsletter, it was > great to read so much about the family history and have our own publication to > boot! I will send you some $ to help support the newsletter, keep it > going.Last summer your son Bob and I connected on line and exchanged some > information. Like him, I thought I was one of a few Bob Gudgels and was amazed > to find out about others in California and Texas.My grandfather was William > Thomas Gudgel b. 8/21/ 1885 in Indiana, died in 1961 in Buffalo, N.Y. He also > lived in Ohio until 1928. His Dad was William Craig Gudgel who lived in > Indiana, born 1858, died 1893. William Craig's dad was Edward Gudgel of Civil > War era, one of the Gudgel sons who faught in the war as part of an Indiana > regiment. > I have a picture of my great grandfather William Craig Gudgel and his > family circa 1892 which I will send a Kinko's copy to you. The picture also > has my grandfather and my great aunts when they were kids.My grandfather was a > doctor in Ohio and later in Buffalo. > Thanks for your time and effort to put the newsletter together. I will try to > dig up some other old pictures to send in along with stories about my Buffalo, > N.Y./ Ohio branch of the Gudgels. > > Regards, > > Bob Gudgel > Warren, Ohio Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:31:21 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Gudgel connections newsletter Bob. (Warren, Ohio Bob Gudgel, that is bg) I finally found the Edward who had a father William son of old Andrew. A Civil War Vet. His name was spelled "Gudshall". This is wrong. There has been evidence uncovered that proves that all the descendants of old Andrew Gudgel who spell their name differently are wrong or deliberately spelling it differently. It is a corruption of "Gudgel" Andrew Gudgel spelled his name "Gudgel" Dianne will explain all this in the next newsletter. I hope. Like I said. There are 30,000,000 ways to misspell "Gudgel" Doyal BGUDG@aol.com wrote: > > Doyal; > > Thanks so much for sending me a copy of the "connections" newsletter, it was etc... Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:33:04 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: Daniel Gudgel] Jim, One of your recent messages mentioned "Daniel Gudgel, son of Andrew . . ." I would be interested in knowing what you have on Daniel that may show him to be Andrew's son. Many of us have pondered his position in the family but have never seen any evidence one way or another. We thought he might be a young uncle or cousin of Andrew or a son as you mentioned. Please let us know what you have found out. Dianne G-H Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:33:35 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: herford cattle] Mia, Glad to hear you on-line again and thanks for all the cattle data. I was aware of some of that but certainly not the huge amount of detail you gave us. Thanks. Dianne G-H Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:45:53 -0900 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: WILL OF JOSEPH GUDGELL-Bath Co., KY & religion Dear Linda and list Gudgels: I am amazed at the detail in the will regarding the insistence that funds be distributed to those who use a specific version of the Psalms. What do you think this refers to? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:16:35 -0900 From: Dianne To: EGudgel@aol.com Subject: Re:look a-likes? Dear Ed, Are you the person who my brother Robin Gudgel of Seattle met some time ago in Florida who looks and sounds exactly like Loyal Gudgel of Seattle. My brother was VERY impressed with the similarities. If so, how about posting a photo to the web site so we can compare. I am sure we can post one of Loyal from our end. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:41:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Ed Gudgel in Florida ED, if that's you that Dianne was just talking about, then I was the one that called you onthe phone and talked to your son, Bob Gudgel... If you are the same Edward G., you said you had a son (he was in Europe at the time) that was also into the genealogy of Gudgels. I also remember, though, that there are more than one Edward Gudgel in Florida so you might be the other one. It was a trip to (I think) the Carribean I believe that Robin (my brother) ran into an Ed Gudgel about 10 years ago (on a bus maybe?). Anyhow, it was on some tourist trip. Bob Gudgel confused about Edward Gudgels cuz I've heard of a few of them now. From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:01:51 EST To: bgudgel@eskimo.com, BGUDG@aol.com Cc: gudgel-list@eskimo.com, rgg@gfdl.gov, john.gudgel@cwi.cablew.com Subject: Re: Ed Gudgel in Florida Boy am I glad to find out that others are as confused as me! First me: I am Edward Franklin Gudgel born 1/16/1923 in Berlin Center, Ohio. I believe the other ED Gudgel was a General in the army. My brother-in-law said he met him once. I was in Tokyo, Japan in the Korean War and he was a West Point graduate and I started receiving his mail because they had our army serial numbers mixed up. I was afraid I would end up in the infantry in Korea instead of the medical corps where I belonged. Recently I find out that other Gudgels are Related to Zachary Taylor and to The Burnetts. No wonder I have so may weird birthmarks. Only old Andrew could be so prolific and tough. I suspect my wonderful mother Myrtle could live to almost 105. I am 76...will travel to New Zealand and Australia next month. Have been a licensed Scuba diver, Soared, etc., and still looking for adventure. Tell me about yourself. Bob Gudgel is my nephew, is a son of my brother Byron. Both he and his son were in the army in Desert Storm. Sincerely Ed Gudgel in Fort Myers Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:21:51 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Edward Gudgel in Florida Well, I pulled out the card that Ed gave my brother when they met on that bus (I think it was a bus) about 10 years ago. It was Edward F. Gudgel, Jr. Director, off-Campus Programs at the Florida Institute of Technology in Melbourne, FL. I wish I could find the info I think I wrote down when I called him up on the phone. I seem to remember that his middle name was Franklin. Now, is Ed Gudgel's (the Ed on the mail list) nephew, Bob Gudgel, the one that is rgg@gfdl.noaa.gov, the fluid dynamics place? I've had his web site linked to the Gudgel web site for quite a while now. There are at least 2 Gudgels that I know of that work for NOAA. Bob Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:52:27 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: ALLEN GUDGELL-BATH CO., KY With some recent discussion about Joseph GUDGELL of Bath Co., KY I would like to submit some documents I found today that I had tucked away and forgotten about. Actually I am cleaning stacks this week. Have had the flu (beginning Thurs.)which unfortunately went into pneumonia. I'm better and have been off since Monday so this is a good time for me to organize a little while I recoup. A little history on Allen first...... ************************************************************************ >From the History of Bath Co., KY by Richards, page 536: ALLEN GUDGELL Allen GUDGELL was born in Bath County on February 14th, 1788, and was raised on the old GUDGELL farm two miles southwest of Sharpsburg until his marriage on February 9, 1813, to Rebecca REID when he purchased as small farm of 250 acres on the waters of Prickly Ash Creek. He lived there until his death on February 20, 1868. He was elected Justice of the Peace under the old Constitution which was formed in 1799. He served on the bench with some of the best men of the day such as Moses DUSKIN, Samuel STONE, Moses RYAN, James WORKMAN, Richard BROWN, Hugh Porter and others. Under the old Constitution the senior Justice of the Peace became the Sheriff and by reason of his seniority Allen GUDGELL became Sheriff in 1842 and served two years. He used to tell jokes on himself to the effect that he took a notion to run for the Legislature. He announced himself and made a canvass of one week's length. In the meantime his opponents started a report on him that he had stolen a hog. He quit the race, for he said in another week's time they would have proven it on him. While a justice of the Peace he was in great demand for performing the marriage ceremony and was called upon from all over the county to officiate at weddings because he entered freely into the spirit of fun and frolic with the youngsters and didn't charge them much. ************************************************************************ Well, too bad they didn't mention who he was the son of. That's been a big debate among researchers for a long time. As I have said before, I believe him to be the son of Andrew GUDGELL, Jr. and a wife prior to Jane MITCHELL (if there was one). And we will never know if he stole the pig or not....LOL. A lot of my information on Allen GUDGELL and his descendants came from Anna MANLEY in Bath Co., KY. Allen was her great great grandfather. Allen GUDGELL and Rebecca REID were married in Estill Co., KY according to the LDS family files. I have not documented this for sure. Rebecca died in 1872 and both are buried in the GUDGELL Cemetery in Bath Co. Their 9 children were: Polly A. GUDGELL-b. April 4, 1814, d. Mar. 15, 1832. Buried in GUDGELL Cem., Bath Co. Thomas Fletcher GUDGELL-b. July 20, 1815, d. April 27, 1878. Married Mary M. POWERS Feb. 9, 1837 Bath Co., KY. Thomas bur. GUDGELL Cem., Bath Co., KY. John H. GUDGELL-b. Feb. 18, 1817 Bath Co., KY, d. April 15, 1872. Married Elizabeth GUDGELL (from Anderson Co., KY) Sept. 15, 1852. John H. buried GUDGELL Cem., Bath Co., KY. Robert R. GUDGELL-b. June 4, 1819, d. Dec. 11, 1819. 6 mos. old. Teressa E. GUDGELL-b. March 15, 1821, d. April 22, 1895. Married Matthew B. McCLURE. (Would like to know more about this family!) Joseph GUDGELL-b. Feb. 18, 1822, d. May 25, 1903. Marr. Minerva Ann BUSBY Jan. 27, 1848 Bath Co., KY (This is where the BUSBY/GUDGELL names came from in the Thomas CRAWFORD Bible Records that I submitted a while back-Petersburg, IL) Sally F. GUDGELL-b. Oct. 25, 1824, d. Nov. 25, 1909. Married Danile HARPER Sept. 17, 1846. (Would like more info. on this family also!). Annaliza GUDGELL-October 24, 1826, d. Feb. 21, 1912/13. Married Thomas TERRY October 18, 1850. Jannett Martha GUDGELL-b. June 3, 1830, d. Dec. 12, 1912. Also known as "Jenny Martha". She was crippled and never married. I have a lot of letters that are personally written to me by Anna Manley and she related to me some of the things she remembers about certain family members. I will try to remember to submit these soon. Very informative. Allen and Rebecca's youngest child was "Jenny Martha". He died in 1868 and Rebecca, his wife, died in 1872, but before his death he made provisions for "Jenny Martha's" care. He must have loved her very much and must be sure she was provided for. The following document was found in the Bath County Clerks' office: (Resource was not listed by the clerk who copied this but it was on page 171)- *********************************************************************** This may certify that I, Allen GUDGELL, of the county of Bath and State of Kentucky do appoint Matthew B. McClure and Terrisa (sic), his wife,a committee to take charge of my afflicted daughter Jenny GUDGELL and her portion of my estate for her use and benefit, to be used agreeably to her necefsities at their judgement and discretion and if she should not live to spend any considerable portion of the deposite the balance to be handed over to my estate and distributed according to law. As witness I have this day sit my hand and affixed my seal 10th of March, 1867. Allen GUDGEL -Seal Attest- O.S. Biggerstaff L. A. Simpson ************************************************************************ I find several things interesting here. Allen wrote this the year before he died. He spelled his name with one "L" when even today the Bath Co., GUDGELL's use 2 "L"'s. Also, Allen's wife, Rebecca, was still living at this time and she is not mentioned. A daughter and son-in-law were appointed as caregivers.....maybe his wife wasn't able to care for Jenny? The mother died in 1872 and Jenny died in 1912. I do remember Anna Manly speaking affectionately of "Aunt Jenny" and the fact she was crippled. She never mentioned her mental state but her father referred to her as "my afflicted daughter". I think in those days "afflicted" could have been interpreted either way. I could go on forever about this Bath Co. bunch but I will stop here. Tomorrow I want to share some estate bills for Allen GUDGELL. Very interesting. Good night to all. Linda From: "William \"Bill\" Webb" Subject: Grave of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:56:04 -0600 Hello all, I'm preparing to go on a 10 day road trip into S Central OK., SE OK. and E Texas looking for data and graves. I will be a stones throw from where I have always presumed Thomas Jefferson is buried and wanted to find the place, but I have started looking for it in databases out there and I am pulling out nothing! His obit in 1898 said his body was taken to the old home near Woodville with interment in the Coffey Bend Burying Ground. I have always presumed that was in OK near Woodville. I have recently discovered that the Woodville in 1898 was moved in 1944 to create Lake Texoma and is now New Woodville. Correspondence with a lady in Marshall Co., OK has revealed that many graves were moved before the flooding but no one by the Gudgel name. She could find no record of a Coffey Bend in her county. I tried GNIS for Bryan Co., OK (just East) of Marshall and Grayson Co., TX (across the lake South) and came up empty. Does any one in your family have knowledge of his burial site or where it may be? I have dicovered notes Mom made in 1984 that said Coffey Bend was on the TX side of the lake (but no mention where). Any ideas? Would love to find it but also found notes where he may have no marker and his grave is lost. At a loss on this one. Thanks, Bill ps If I can't get my daughter to dump my mail every so often I may have to unsubscribe till I get back. Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:48:20 -0900 From: Dianne To: "William \"Bill\" Webb" , Subject: Re: Grave of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel Bill, thanks so much for doing some "on-the-ground" genie while in OK. I have been on the phone lately with several of the historical societies in and around the country of Atoka and I know several of these societies have cemetary data along with school records, etc. I hope you will be in touch with each courthouse in the several counties in the SE OK area as they have historical and genie society addresses that might help you. Looking forward to finding out more results. Dianne G-H Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:01:31 -0900 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: ALLEN GUDGELL-BATH CO., KY Linda, Very interesting that you list Allen's birthdate as Feb 1788 in Bath Co, Ky. That would mean that either Andrew Sr--if he is Allen's father--left Penn before he sold all his property--which occurred in later 1788, or that someone else like Andrew Jr or Daniel G was Allen's father. If Andrew Sr was Allen's father, that would mean that Barbara was his mother as she was A sr's wife in SW PA during this time period according to the land records. Don't we find that Andrew Jr was in Bath Co, Ky a little before Sr? Can we find any tax records to show this? Then to be sure on things, we need to find out if Andrew Sr was in fact there in person in PA when his land was sold in the fall of 1788. If so, then that pretty well affirms A sr was NOT Allen's father. What do you think? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage PS I still would like to know more on the details of Joe G's will where he left so much detail about giving money based on which version of the Psalms book people were using. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:25:40 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Appraisement Bill-Allen GUDGELL, Bath Co., KY Document from Bath Co. Court Clerk's office-Resource not made. We the undersigned appraisers appointed by the Bath County Court to appraise the personal property of Allen GUDGEL Decd. after being duly sworn proceeded on the 13th day of March, 1868 to discharge said duty and make report as follows: Cash on Hand $ 50.00 One note on Joseph GUDGEL for 1,600.00 The same bearing interest from July 1st 1863 ____ int. to date 500.00 One note on M.B. McCLURE for given Sept. 12,1866 75.00 Int. paid on the same to Sept. 12, 1867 Interest due at present 2.25 One note on McCLURE given March 23, 1863 amt. of note 354.48 Int. paid to Mar. 7, 1867-int. due to this date 21.60 One note on T.F. GUDGELgiven March 11, 1867-amt of note 150.00 Int. to date 2.00 One (Recpt?) of T. TERRY and A.E From: "Gail Hohenberger" To: "William \"Bill\" Webb" , Subject: Re: Preston Bend Cemetery Reunion Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:08:42 -0500 Were there two Clarence Gudgel? My grandfather's name was Clarence Gudgel, son of Allen Gudgel. He did not have a daughter named Minnie. I do not know this Minnie Clement. His children were Julia (Gudgel) Pearson, Charlie Marion, George Washington, Kenneth Keith(my Dad), and Elmer(?, who died young). Clarence, Charlie, and I think George are all buried in the Georgetown Cemetery. I am not sure where Julia is buried. She has several children living in the Pottsboro area so she might possibly be buried there as well. Dad always talked about growing up in an area called Cedar Mills. Lake Texoma took a lot of the area in which they once lived. Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:12:42 -0800 From: Dianne To: "\"William \\\"Bill\\\" Webb\"" Subject: Re: Preston Bend Cemetery Reunion Bill and all, Thanks, Bill, for doing some very important research and to Shirley and Larry. With everyone traveling even a little ways from home this summer, who knows what we might find. Sure glad you all are in the continental US and can travel easily. I'll try to pay ya'll back when I retire with my motorhome. Please let us know if we can send you a few dollars and get some documentation that you will likely pick up during your research. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage From: "William \"Bill\" Webb" Subject: Re: Preston Bend Cemetery Reunion Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:03:31 -0500 Gail, Thank you for the information. I'll try to get by Georgetown Cemetery while there and look for their stones. I was hoping my posting would bring out those with ties to this area. I am really interested in the Oklahoma and Texas Gudgel Line since this is where Thomas Jefferson Gudgel ended his life. His obit said the funeral procession was one of the largest ever seen in the area. I am sure some of these folks attended his funeral since they were family and all in the same area. I'm hoping to some day reconstruct the Gudgel line of this area. Regards, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Gail Hohenberger To: William "Bill" Webb ; Gudgel - list Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Preston Bend Cemetery Reunion >Were there two Clarence Gudgel? My grandfather's name was Clarence Gudgel, >son of Allen Gudgel. He did not have a daughter named Minnie. I do not >know this Minnie Clement. His children were Julia (Gudgel) Pearson, >Charlie Marion, George Washington, Kenneth Keith(my Dad), and Elmer(?, who >died young). Clarence, Charlie, and I think George are all buried in the >Georgetown Cemetery. I am not sure where Julia is buried. She has several >children living in the Pottsboro area so she might possibly be buried there >as well. Dad always talked about growing up in an area called Cedar Mills. >Lake Texoma took a lot of the area in which they once lived. > > > > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: ebay Item #110018946-Abraham GODSHALK Genealogy-1912 -Antwort Okay Guys- I emailed the highest bidder on ths Abraham GODSHALK Genealogy book that is on eBay and asked what his interest was......and this was his reply. I am sure this Dr. Pesch can well afford more than I can bid but maybe we could get some input from him on our GUDGEL lines? Might be worth a try. I think the bid is now at $52.00. This is maddening! But it's still up for grabs till 6/3 so anything can happen. Linda >Return-Path: <986D01#c#986D01.986P0101#c#LH00001@mail.lvr.de> >Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 06:07:47 +0100 >From: Dieter Pesch <986D01#c#986D01.986P0101#c#LH00001@mail.lvr.de> >To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net >Subject: ebay Item #110018946-Abraham GODSHALK Genealogy-1912 -Antwort >Content-Disposition: inline > >Linda, > >I'm establishing a collection of publications on German emigrants who went >to Pennsylvania at colonial times. I'm above all interested in the history of >Philadelphia and Germantown related to German emigrants. > >For the year 2001 I'm preparing a major exhibition on the early migration. I >diary tells the story of two people coming from the Rhineland, who went to >Philadelphia and Germantown to recover the land (20 square kilometers) >their ancestor bought from William Penn in 1682. As the buyer did not went >to Pennsylvania himself but sent his brother, who left Germany with the >founders of Germantown, I'm always interested in any stuff which has to do >with the early colonial times of Phila., Germantown and Penna. > >Regards > >Dr. Dieter Pesch >Executive Director >The Rhine Open-Air Museum >State Museum for Folklore >Auf dem Kahlenbusch >53894 Mechernich >Germany > > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL surname I am forwarding this response to the List from a GUDGEL name I found while surfing the net. Without having told me, I could have told you she was obviously very young as her choice of words reflect. One of the main things we were taught growing up was to respect your elders, whether you knew them or not. Guess I'm showing my age. (But wait till you read the next forward that also came through!) Does anyone know who this family is? Linda >Return-Path: >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:51:22 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ginna Gudgel >Subject: Re: GUDGEL surname >To: lfinnell > >Hello Linda, > > what do you want to know? I am 14/15 and my dad's name is Randy >Edward Gudgel, there is a big ass colony of Gudgels in Springfield >Illinois. my grandma is Hazel Case Gudgel, widow of Thomas L. Gudgel, >they have 6 kids: Jerry Gudgel, Randy Gudgel, Chris Gudgel, Robin >Gudgel Hamra, Connie Gudgel Bisby, and Judy Gudgel Howell. the only guy >with kids is Randy. he has Rhonda Kay Gudgel-Seaman(men?), Randy Edward >Gudgel Jr., Ginna Elaine Gudgel, Kierra Rachelle Gudgel, and Brady >Thomas Gudgel. Robin has Samuel Lynn something something something >something something Hamra(All the middle names are for kids she wanted >but didn't have). Connie has Freddy something Bisby Jr., and Lindsay >something Bisby. Judy has Gary something Howell Jr., and Alisha >something Howell. another Gudgel I know is Buzz Gudgel and Kathy Gudgel >who I think live in or around California, Oregon, or Washington. All I >know about where the Gudgels live is they live in California, Oregon, >Washington, Illinois, Kentucky, and possibly Texas and Missouri. Okay, >I go now. buhbye! >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL surname This is the second email I received. Is this a joke or what? Linda >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:53:48 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ginna Gudgel >Subject: Re: GUDGEL surname >To: lfinnell > > Forgot to tell you....I live in Sackoftomatoes California >> > HolyNadGrabbatman@Yahoo.com >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:50:41 EDT Subject: Fwd: Minnie GUDGEL i forgot to forward to the list From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:12:59 EDT Subject: Re: Minnie GUDGEL To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net Yes you do Linda. Minnie is daughter of Calvin and Mary Gudgel. Minnie has brothers and sisters they are: Annie--Married to Will Martin-buried in Gracemont Ok Ottis-daughter-Married to Ellar Brownen-buried in Gracemont Ok Callie (called Kelly in Bill's Chickasaw census)-married Austin Davis and lived life in Hale Center Texas Louis Allen-My Grandfather-Married Ether Gertrude Holman-both buried in Gracemont Okla Lawrence-I believe Buried in Denison Texas ED Harry Both Ed and Harry are lost somewhere Louise received a telegram (Sometime ??), according to my aunt Winnie Anthony (from Gracemont) that Harry had died. I do not know where or when. From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:54:15 EDT Subject: Tex/Okla Gudgel's, Ark too Yes, you know these Linda? Minnie is daughter of Calvin and Mary Gudgel. Minnie has brothers and sisters they are: Annie--Married to Will Martin-buried in Gracemont Ok Ottis-daughter-Married to Ellar Brownen-buried in Gracemont Ok Callie (called Kelly in Bill's Chickasaw census)-married Austin Davis and lived life in Hale Center Texas Lewis (Spelled Louis in the Indian Census) Allen-My Grandfather-Married Ether Gertrude Holman-both buried in Gracemont Okla Lawrence-I believe Buried in Denison Texas ED Harry Both Ed and Harry are lost somewhere Louise received a telegram (Sometime ??), according to my aunt Winnie Anthony (from Gracemont) that Harry had died. I do not know where or when. Also I am looking through something I got from Olga Briggs in 1988, where she had done some research. Clarence Ninion Gudgell b. 12-25-1901 in Mannsville OKla d. 12-30-74 in Dennard Ark-buried in Dennard Van Buren Ark. Married to Hester Ann Summers (b. 10-11-04) married in 2-25-1925 in Blanchard Okla. It looks like they had children of: Virgie Almeda 1-17-21 Clinton Ark Calvin Clarence Gudgell 10--29-28 Blanchard Ok Olga Gudgell(Married to Herbert Briggs--This is where this data comes from so it should be correct) b. 4-5-32 Loraine Gudgell 5-8-35 There is a note that Clarence Ninion Gudgell started the "LL" in the name because he thought it looked better. I am not sure who Clarence N. Gudgel's (AKA Bob) father was. Maybe someone out there knows. Since Clarence N. Gudgell was born in Mannsville Ok and Calvin and Mary lived there in 1900, They are surely related. Maybe Clarence N is a son of one of Calvin's brothers??? Also they named a son Calvin Clarence. This might be where two Clarences are. Larry From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:53:50 EDT Subject: Tex/Okla Gudgel's, Ark too Yes, you know these Linda? Minnie is daughter of Calvin and Mary Gudgel. Minnie has brothers and sisters they are: Annie--Married to Will Martin-buried in Gracemont Ok Ottis-daughter-Married to Ellar Brownen-buried in Gracemont Ok Callie (called Kelly in Bill's Chickasaw census)-married Austin Davis and lived life in Hale Center Texas Lewis (Spelled Louis in the Indian Census) Allen-My Grandfather-Married Ether Gertrude Holman-both buried in Gracemont Okla Lawrence-I believe Buried in Denison Texas ED Harry Both Ed and Harry are lost somewhere Louise received a telegram (Sometime ??), according to my aunt Winnie Anthony (from Gracemont) that Harry had died. I do not know where or when. Also I am looking through something I got from Olga Briggs in 1988, where she had done some research. Clarence Ninion Gudgell b. 12-25-1901 in Mannsville OKla d. 12-30-74 in Dennard Ark-buried in Dennard Van Buren Ark. Married to Hester Ann Summers (b. 10-11-04) married in 2-25-1925 in Blanchard Okla. It looks like they had children of: Virgie Almeda 1-17-21 Clinton Ark Calvin Clarence Gudgell 10--29-28 Blanchard Ok Olga Gudgell(Married to Herbert Briggs--This is where this data comes from so it should be correct) b. 4-5-32 Loraine Gudgell 5-8-35 There is a note that Clarence Ninion Gudgell started the "LL" in the name because he thought it looked better. I am not sure who Clarence N. Gudgel's (AKA Bob) father was. Maybe someone out there knows. Since Clarence N. Gudgell was born in Mannsville Ok and Calvin and Mary lived there in 1900, They are surely related. Maybe Clarence N is a son of one of Calvin's brothers??? Also they named a son Calvin Clarence. This might be where two Clarences are. Larry Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:15:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL(L)/BRIGGS lines Larry- I have seen this BRIGGS connection to the GUDGEL family on a BRIGGS Family web page on the net. Found it while searching for GUDGEL . I am amazed how many GUDGEL's we are starting to identify! See what happens when we work in numbers? It's great :) Update on the Abraham GODSHALK book....I just checked it out again and it is still at $51.00. Shirley....I have tried bidding at the last minute twice and each time someone else got it. These people who are serious bidders must be sitting there with a stop watch. That's how I lost the leather bound atlas with the name J.W. GUDGEL printed on the cover. That one really upset me. When it was over I emailed the high bidder and told him why I wanted it....do you think I even got a reply?.......Nadda....zilch. I did tell this person if they decided they didn't want it to please contact me. So much for that. Till next time..... Linda Light periodic rain in springtime Kentucky. BTW, for any horse racing fans out there.....this CHARISMATIC that won the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness, was foaled and raised at Parrish Hill Farm in Midway. Midway is in Woodford Co. (about 6 minutes up the road from me) and right across the road from my oldest daughters house. CHARISMATIC will run Saturday in the Belmont to try and capture the 3rd leg of the Triple Crown. It's been since 1978 since a horse won the Triple Crown with Secretariat (a/k/a "Big Red"). Now we've all had our horse racing history lesson for the day. Hope Dave GUDGEL can check out some of these farms when he makes a swing through Kentucky. See ya' Linda Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:01:32 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Abe Gotschalk book Dear Linda and everyone, I would not get too upset at not being able to buy the book in question for several reasons. 1) we can always find a way to get it by ILL or that is not possible as Daniela believes, we can arrange to have someone at a library where it exists, photocopy any pertinent pages, 2) we don't know for sure it will even contain anything on our Andrew Gudgel or his suspected father, Frederick. I still think our best bet is to follow the trail of Frederick's other children and see if they CLEARLY overlap somehow with our Andrew. I know Frederick's will mentions giving a son Andrew more money than the other children, but I want to know more about these other kids. If Andrew really had two daughters early in the 1750s, what happened to them? Did his sister's care for them when his first? wife died, if she did indeed die young? There are so many questions I would love to have answered. Perhaps we could concentrate on finding out where there is a large collection of early German immigrant resources and do more research in the churches of Buck's Co, PA too? Wish I could afford to retire and travel to PA to do this. But not this year. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: DenneyRes@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:13:26 EDT Subject: book Would be interesting if we could find out what is in the book so maybe someone will share. You do have stiff competition, Linda. But good luck. I have obituaries of three of Martha Allen Gudgel's daughters so plus William and Arthur, we must have all the names of her children before she married Thomas Jefferson. I was told by Doyal that she was a widow with five children. I will mail a copy of the three obituaries to anyone that wants it, also Martha's obituary. Don't have time at the moment to get it all into the computer - not good at it yet - but also, we may have more information after the Preston Bend Reunion. Good to see information on other Gudgel's in the area. Shirley Denney Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:02:02 -0400 From: RKelley@via-net.net (Kelley, Ronald) Subject: remove from list please remove me from list Thanks, Jean Kelley RKelley@via-net.net Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: eBay Item-Abraham GODSHALK 1912 Genealogy Book Well folks, I didn't get the book :( I made a last minute effort and went to a $55.00 bid and as I suspected, I was outbid. I'll bet this Dr. Pesch had a $100.00 maximum on it! He wanted it really bad. Hope he enjoys it. (My husband laughed when I said that cause he knew I was just being nice) Hehehehe Maybe next time. I might email the buyer and see if he would do a lookup for me. Later, Linda Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: [INPCRP-L] RE: Roll Call - Gibson County. Below is an email that was submitted by Ernie Lasley to the INPCP mail list (Indiana Preservation Cemetery Restoration Project, I think). This group is working hard with new state legislation to promote cemtery preservation and I have been following the mail threads for several months. Ernie Lasley is the local historian from Gibson Co., IN who took the pictures I have of the GUDGEL cemetery. If you remember he was going to try and get the town Trustees to help in cleaning the GUDGEL Cemetery. So it looks like things are starting to click. Mr. Lasley has volunteered to be the Project Co-ordinator for Gibson Co. and if you read the email you will see that the GUDGEL cemetery is one of the cemteries they will begin with. Yeah! Will keep you posted! Linda >Return-Path: >Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 18:06:53 -0500 >From: Ernie & Connie Lasley >Subject: [INPCRP-L] RE: Roll Call - Gibson County. > >Hello All, > >The article in the Evansville Courier Has created a flurry of calls and >letters from people offering to help us locate old forgotten cemeteries >that they know of, which will be a BIG help with our project of identifying >and locating ALL cemeteries in Gibson County, now numbering over 200. >Chawn Caniff has been working very hard transfering all the information to >a web page, complete with a link to a Tiger Map Server, which shows the >exact location of the cemetery on a printable map. Chawn has many of them >completed, and several more under construction. See: > >http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibcem/gibcem.htm > >Chawn hopes to find time real soon from his busy work schedule, to help me >get the Gibson County PCRP web page up and running. I work 56 hrs a week >as a firefighter, and it's been hard to get our schedules to agree. Once >the page is up, I can post updates to our projects. > >The three cemeteries that we have cleaned up so far were mowed and readied >for Memorial Day, complete with some flowers, and flags on the Veterans >graves. The VFW and American Legion Memorial Detail has added Marsh Creek >cemetery to the list of cemeteries they visit on Memorial Day to perform >ceremonies. The team spends most of the day making the rounds to several >cemeteries, raising a Flag, firing a Rifle Salute, and playing Taps. A >large crowd attended the ceremonies at Marsh Creek this year, honoring the >four Veterans and their families buried there. > >The Princeton Daily Clarion newspaper is interested in doing an article on >Pioneer cemeteries, which I hope will create more interest in the local >cemeteries, and perhaps more volunteers for the projects. We have also >received some offers of funding, and an article in the paper may help on >the financial end, too. > >Kent Toole, the Trustee of Patoka Township, is very supportive of this >project, and will provide funding for cleanup, repair and maintenance, >where he is allowed to do so by law. A former Funeral Director, he will be >a tremendous asset to the project, and I hope provide the catalyst for >other trustees in the county to get involved. > >The Marsh Creek project is about 95% complete, with three stones left to >repair, and two stones damaged beyond repair to be replaced, if enough >funding can be obtained from descendants. The Trustee helps out on repair >costs, when funds are available. > >Other cemeteries on the list for cleanup are: McCurdy, Lathom, Gudgel, >Field and Barker. Interest has also been shown on cemeteries in the >Hazleton area, as well as an old cemetery along the old Wabash-Erie Canal, >North of Oakland City. Stay tuned for developments on these. > >Ernie Lasley >Gibson County Coordinator > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Please do not send queries through this list. > > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:10:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: WOODFILL/WOODFIELD Surname- Jefferson Co., IN Was reading late last night and found something I wanted to share with those interested in the WOODFIELD/WOODFILL lines. It may not be our direct lines but could be helpful at some point. Hoosier Journal of Ancestry Volume 18-1 March, 1994 Published by Naomi Keith Sexton, Little York, IN Page 85 The BRYANT family of Jefferson Co., IN. In XVII-2 Hebron Cemetery page 135 and 136, Row 31-#4: Claretta B. WOODFILLE. Claraetta was a BRYANT and sister to my father, Robert E. BRYANT (he d. 1978 buried Crothersville Cemetery). Spelled Clara Etta, she married William WOODFILL. William was a brother to Samuel WOODFILL, the hero of WWI fame who killed single hand quite a few German soldiers. Clara Etta and William WOODFILL and 2 children: (1) Leona WOODFILL marr. first- Homer WINGHAM (had 2 children, Eugene and Betty); and second-Keith WAGGONER (had 1 dau. Eilene). Leona b. 26 May 1914. (2)Wilma WOODFILLE marr. a RODRIGUES, no issue. Leona, Keith and Wilma live near Freetown, Jackson Co., IN. Row 32 #3 pg. 136- Christina WOODFILL. I think she was the mother of William and Samuel. Page 135, Row 12 #5-Missouri MATHEWS was also a BRYANT the dau. of John A. BRYANT. John had Clara Etta and my Dad, Robert E. BRYANT. Misssouri never had any children. She died Oct. 1, 1938. She married Edward MATHEWS (1872-1939). For some reason he was always called Dode BATES. Leona called them Aunt Zoo and Uncle Dode. I think he must have been raised by the BATES family. It was a small BRYANT family. Joseph only had the 2 children and his son John had 2 and Missouri had none. However, Joseph had 3 brothers and 3 sisters. His parents were John Allen BRYANT and Sarah LANE, also buried in Hebron Cemetery. Tehy all lived around BRYANTSBURG. The town was supposed to be named for them. >From Connie BRYANT HACKMAN, Carmel, IN From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:00:09 EDT Subject: Re: Preston Bend Cemetery Reunion To: william.m.webb@gte.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com List I need help. I need a reference in (someone old and someone knowledgeable) Quincy Ill or in Kinderhook, Ill. Where Ning and Nan Bell lived. Can someone help me out here??? Bill Webb, I just got off the phone with my 2 Aunts, Winnie Anthony and Geneva Mcglothlin, from Gracemont Okla, (Calvin's Granddaughters) Winnie might come with me, Geneva's husband is too ill to travel. Another of Calvin Gudgel's Granddaughters (Oma Brownen, Now Hall) may come with me and Winnie, also. They are both about 85-90. The sad part, after I talked to both of them, I called Luella Clement in Pottsboro and she is going to be in Calif from June 15 through the 29th. I am in a quandry now as to what to do. Wait and go down later, or still go and visit other relatives there. I will have to decide in a couple of days. I would like to visit with Luella and have my aunt's there. She can show us around the place and reminisce about stuff and it would be great to just listen. But If I waited, I would miss the Preston Bend Cemetary re-union and seeing you. I will let you know later. Larry Gudgel For those others on the list, we are talking about Pottsboro Texas and the roots of Calvin and Mary (Bell) Gudgel. Born in Illinois and lived in North Texas and Okla. Also I found out about the Clarence (AKA-Bob) Gudgell. He was the Son of Ed Gudgel (born 1877) and Virgie (Mitchusson). Ed was the son of Calvin and Mary (Bell) Gudgel. Ed's brothers and sisters were Harry (Still lost), Ann or Annie, Otis or Ottis (female), Minnie (female), Callie (female), Lewis Allen (listed as louis in Bill Webb's 1900 Chickasaw Census), and Lawrence. Lewis Allen was my Grandfather. My Aunt told me that they new of Ed's family(children) but Ed ran off with Harry and both were lost. Bill Webb, you will notice that Ed and Virgie are listed on the same Chickasaw Census in Indian Territory in 1900. Olga (Gudgell) Briggs is related on this line and is a granddaughter of Ed and Virgie and daughter of Clarence Ninnion (AKA-Bob) Gudgel--Born 12-25-1901 in Mannsville, Okla died 12-30-74 and burried in Dennard (Van Buren) ARK. You will notice the Ninnion-from Ning and Nan Bell(Mary Bell Gudgel's) Parents. Ning ws a Ninion. Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:24:16 -0500 From: Karla Subject: Some Gottschall(k) listings Here are some of the items found on the PAGenWeb for GOTTSCHALL(K): http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/pa+index+318662678563+F Church: Annotated Record of Births/Baptisms 1755-1800: Zion Red Church and Vicinity , Brunswick Twp., then Berks, now Schuylkill Co. PA Annotated Record of Births/Baptisms 1755-1800 with many gaps. GOTTSCHALL, Johan Jacob b 10w today, bp 24 Sep 1775 s/o Thomas and Maria Elisabeth [DORNBACH] Sp:Johan Jacob and Margaretha [DORNBACH] LUCKENBILL GOTTSCHALL, Anna Catharina b 4 wks last Sun bp12Apr1781 d/o Thomas and Maria Elizabeth [DORNBACH] Sp:Gottfried & Anna Catharina SCHMELCHER GOTTSCHALL, (infant) b ABT 1778 bp ABT Jul 1778 Thomas and Maria Elizabeth [DORNBACH] no sponsors indicated ------------------------------------------------------------ http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/pa+index+249929469707+F Cemeteries: Trinity/Peace/Friedens Cemetery: Mountain Grove, Black Creek Twp, Luzerne County, PA FERTIG Johannes 31Mar1841 77/6/24 [Chester Co Mil 1782-RevWar] w#1 Margaretha ACHE [b 1765 d/o Jacob] 4 Children gch ggch w#2 Catherina GOTTSCHALL married 18 Years [A Vernacular translation of inscription: " A Memorial to the love of Katherina, Born GOTTSCHALL, for her last husband Johannes FERTIG , Born Sep 6 1762 In his first marriage he fathered with Margaretha ACHE 4 children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. We will meet on the other side"] GOTTSHALL Florence Elsie d1956 Francis J 1910-1973 Florence L 1912-1957 GOTTSHALL Robert J 1948-1973 S/Sgt USArmy Viet Nam ------------------------------------------------------------ ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/land/1734land.txt Land: Landholders of Philadelphia County, 1734:PA PUBLICATIONS OF THE GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA Dec. 1898 Miscellany No. 2 Landholders of Philadelphia County, 1734 A List of the Names of the Inhabitants of the County of Philadelphia, with the quantity of Land they respectively hold therein, according to the uncirtaine Returns of the Constables. Anno Dom: 1734 FRANCONIA [now Montgomery County] Frederick Gottchalk........150 TOWAMENCIN Herman Gatchalk...........100 John Gatchalk.............120 Gatchalk Gatchalk.........100 ------------------------------------------------------------ http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/pa+index+5899080809+F Marriages Published in the Reading Adler Newspaper (1801-1810) READING, BERKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA BERTOLET, John, to Catharine HOCH, Sun. 1 week ago, 19 Apr 1808ed. BEYER, Daniel, to Elizabeth GOTTSCHALL, 3 Apr 1809 GOTTSCHALL, ________, to Maria RITTER, 4 Jun 1806 GOTTSCHALL, George, to Magdalena BENIG, a week ago, 6 May 1806ed. GOTTSCHALL, Philip, to Catharine NUEMAN, 31 Jan 1808 HELFRICH, Daniel, to Maria HOCH, 10 Apr 1808 HOCH, Benjamin, to Maria BEIBER, 28 Dec 1806 HOCH, William, to Catharine VAN REED, last Sun, 1 week ago, 21 Jan 1806ed. HOCH, Solomon, to Elizabeth MUTHARD, 9 Feb 1806 KLEIN, John, to Deborah HOCH, on Sun., 29 Jul 1806ed. SCHNELL, John, to Polly GOTTSCHALL, 17 May 1807 TREWITZ, Jacob, to Maria GOTTSCHALL, 27 Oct 1807ed. ------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.rootsweb.com/~GENHOME/p1720a.htm PENNSYLVANIA PERSONS MENTIONED IN COUNCIL at PHILADELPHIA in 1718 GOTCHELL, Elisha 4 July 1718 Chest Co ------------------------------------------------------------ http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/pa+index+5277932531+F Cemeteries: Spies Cemetery -Old Cemetery Only- Alsace Twp, Berks County, PA TOMBSTONE INSCRIPTIONS OF SPIES CEMETERY-OLD CEMETERY ONLY- ALSACE TOWNSHIP, BERKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA GOTTSCHALL, Anna Maria Judith, w/o Leonard, b. 6 Feb 1754, d. 1 Jan 1829 GOTTSCHALL, Daniel, s/o Daniel and Hanna, b. 16 Mar 1844, d. 27 Aug 1848 GOTTSCHALL, Elizabeth, w/o George, b. 29 Jan 1781, d. 17 Dec 1842 GOTTSCHALL, George, b. 19 Feb 1779, d. 7 Aug 1849 GOTTSCHALL, Jacob, s/o Daniel and Hanah, b. 30 Oct 1855, d. 9 Apr 1856 GOTTSCHALL, Johannes, b. 4 Mar 1794, d. 13 Sep 1883 GOTTSCHALL, Leonhart, b. 23 Sep 1780, aged 55-3-15 GOTTSCHALL, Susanna, d/o Daniel and Maria GRENINGER, b. 4 Dec 1787, d.14 Sep 1845 HOCH, Christina, w/o Jacob, b. 11 Jul 1788, d. 4 Sep 1826 REPPERT, Maria nee GOTTSCHALL, w/o David, b. 17 Apr 1801, d. 1 Mar 1881 ------------------------------------------------------------ http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/pa+index+5748770632+F Oth Court: Extracts of Selected Wills, Estates, Realty, and Orphan's Court Actions: Berks (Now Schuylkill) Co, PA [Mostly Brunswick, Manheim and Pine Grove] GOTTSCHALL, George [Sh Denmark 1753] Berks Administration of Christopher WILHAUSER 1757 names Geo GOTTSCHALL and Elizabeth h/w, sister of Christopher W. dcd. Will Berks 1767- Bern Twp Names wife and unspecified children Berks Co Estate files specify wife Elizabeth; sons Frederick, Thomas, Christopher and Leonard; with payment to Andrew FREYBERGER, believed to be the husband of dau Anna Catherine GOTTSCHALL. 1768 Berks Orphan's Court Files indicate that widow Elizabeth remarried to Jacob DESTER. ------ GOTTSCHALL, Jacob Berks Brunswick 5 Dec 1807 Administration to father, Thomas GOTTSCHALL ------ WAGNER, George Berks Windsor Twp 1770 Berks Deeds 3-53-54 28 Apr 1777 Frederick GOTTSCHALL of Greenwich and Mary Eliz, h/w acknowledge receipt ot their share of estate from Christopher WAGNER- will of George Wagner 1 Aug 1770 names wife Anna Maria; daus Anna Maria w/o Wolf LINDENMUTH; Catherine, w/o Philip FAUST; Margaret w/o Simon CLAUSER; Maria Elizabeth w/o Frederick GOTTSCHALL ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Unidentified GUDGEL's- 2nd Entry Hi Everybody- I have two more items I have pulled out of my Unidentified GUDGEL's file that maybe you guys can help me with: (1) This was a response from Sandra Tennyson, Blue Grass, Iowa in response to my query left on the Indiana Mail-List-dated 4/3/1997: I just noticed your search for GUDGEL on the Indiana List. I suspect by now, that you have the name John GUDGEL who is buried in the Maple Grove Cemetery in Boonville, Indiana. He was born 21 August 1906 and died 23 December 1966. Marker indicates he was in WW2. This is from a book called Warrick Co., IN Cemetery Inscriptions, Vol. 4 Boon Township and Boonville 1991 by Kristine Manley and Sharon Patmore. My husband's family came from Warrick so we have done extensive research there. Names inclde TENNISON/TENNYSON, PHILLIPS, GENTRY, SKELTON, BYERS, McNEELEY/McNEELY, JOHNSON and BRADLEY. Anyone know where this John GUDGEL fits? ______________________________________________________________________ (2) This is a copy of an obituary I have had for a number of years and have never been able to place this gentleman in the GUDGEL tree. It came from Karen GOTTSCHALK BROWN, daughter of Gaylen GOTTSCHALK. FLOYD GUDGELL FULLERTON-Flody GUDGELL, 85, of Fullerton, died Saturday, April 10, 1993, at the Nebraska Veteran's Home in Grand Island. Funeral Services are at 10 a.m. Wednesday at Palmer Funeral Home in Fullerton with Rev, Roy Cupples officiating. Burial and commital services at 2 p.m. Wednesday at Evergreen Memorial Cemtery in Omaha. Visitation is 4-8 p.m. Tuesday at the funeral home with a 7 p.m. Masonic Service. Mr. GUDGELL was born Oct. 7, 1907 in Meadville, MO to Elmer and Artie CHINN GUDGELL. He grew up and attended schools in Meadville. On Oct. 19, 1935, he married Alma THOMSON of Chillicothe, MO. They lived in Illinois, Missouri and Nebraska while he worked for Sutherland Lumber Co. for 37 years. He served in the U.S. Navy during WWII. In 1977 the couple moved to Fullerton, where he worked with his daughter and son-in-law at the Gambles store for 12 years. Mrs. GUDGELL died Feb. 16, 1988. For the past 2 years Mr. GUDGELL resided at the Nebraska Veteran's Home in Grand Island. He was a member of the Voctory Baptist Church, American Legion Post 151, past Master of the Masonic Lodge in Fullerton and past member of the Lion's Club and he enjoyed fishing. Survivors include one daughter, Betty KERMOADE of Fullerton; one brother, Donald of VanBuren, Ark.; one sister, Velda HOWELL of San Francisco; two grandchildren and one great-grandaughter. Besides his wife, he was preceded in death by one sister. Anyone know who this gentleman is? ________________________________________________________________________ Got to go. Storm is coming up and we sure need the rain here in Kentucky. Getting very dry here. More later, Linda Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Unidentified GUDGEL's-#2 note Major Boo-Boo! The gentleman's obit from Fullerton, Nebraska that I submitted last night was named Floyd GUDGELL (Not Flody). Sorry for the error. A storm was coming in and I was trying to get this finished and get off the computer. Thanks, Linda From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:00:50 EDT Subject: Re: Unidentified GUDGEL's- 2nd Entry Linda, I looked in the stuff from I got a few years ago from Olga Briggs (gudgell). She should have known those that spell Gudgell (with #2 L's) since she was one and her dad started that. (see my note from a few days ago about the Gudgel line with # 2 L's-Gudgell) Curiously they were from Ark too. But to no availl I cannot place them in the Okla gudgel line. Sorry Larry Gudgel PS: Gudgell line was from Ed and Virgie Gudgel's Son-Clarence N. Gudgell. Ed is the son of Calvin and Mary Gudgel. From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:08:14 EDT Subject: Pictures of Gudgels To: kmahlberg@macconnect.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com 1. Is victor Shackelton on the list????? 2. I am looking for the person that posted the pictures of Calvin and Francis Gudgel in their Civil War Uniforms and also of Andrew Gudgel (b.1809) which is Calvin and Francis' Father. 3. I am also looking for whom ever posted the picture of Ning and Nan Bell??? 4. Are there any relatives of Ning and Nan on this mail list, I have some unanswered Question I would like to pass by you. Larry Gudgel G.Grandson of Calvin Gudgel & Mary (Bell) Gudgel and G.G. Grandson of Ning & Nan Bell. Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Ning, Calvin, Victor Shackleton, and, Edward Gs. >From: Larrgudgel@aol.com >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:08:14 EDT >Subject: Pictures of Gudgels >To: kmahlberg@macconnect.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com >1. Is victor Shackelton on the list????? No, unfortunately Victor is not on the list. He Knows about it though. I met him last June (1998) and a BUNCH of others in the Vancouver Washington area when I went to the Moberly family picnic which his wife was B4 marriage. I posted the picture of Calvin and Francis after I got a Gudgel care package from him a couple years ago and the picture of Calvin and Francis was in it. What a great shot, huh? More info on Victor can be found on the Gudgel mail list archives, especially the first archive. His GEDCOM file is also on the Gudgel web site. >3. I am also looking for whom ever posted the picture of Ning and Nan >Bell??? I think that was Mia which is on the list that posted Ning and Nan. >PS: Gudgell line was from Ed and Virgie Gudgel's Son-Clarence N. >Gudgell. >Ed is the son of Calvin and Mary Gudgel. I wonder (again) if this was the Edward that is related to the Scott Gudgel, father of the girl that my kid (Phillip) worked with, that used to be GudgeLL untio the turn of this century (1900). Someday I may gert these Edward Gudgels straight. I really wonder about the GudgeLLs with 2 Ls and how they fit in. Maybe one day I will understand that too. Only with the help of the folks on this list though, probably. Penny and I (and Phillip) have been busy moving into our new house (well, new to us), in Everett, 20 miles north of Seattle so I haven't had a lot of time to read stuff carefuly. Have a good weekend cybercousins! Bob Dean Gudgel Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGELL OBIT: MARDYS C. GUDGELL FIELDS- 1999 Hi Everybody! Today's edition of the Lexington Herald-Leader contained the following obituary which relates to the Bath Co., KY branches of our tree: Lexington Herald-Leader, June 13, 1999 FIELDS Mardys C. GUDGELL FIELDS, 87, of Lexington, widow of Hugh Joseph FIELDS, died Saturday, June 12, 1999 at the Hospice Care Center at St. Joseph Hospital. Born in Owingsville (Bath Co., KY), she was the daughter of Odd Samuel and Nannie Bell GARNER GUDGELL. Survivors include a son and daughter-in-law, Robert and Joyce FIELDS, Lexington; a brother and sister-in-law, Noel and Viola GUDGELL, Paris; a nephew, Charles GUDGELL, Paris; two step-grandsons, Donald Stewart and Kenneth Stewart, and six step great grandchildren. Funeral services will be 1 p.m. Monday at Kerr Brothers Funeral Home by Dr. David Alexander. Burial will be in Lexington Cemetery. Pallbearers will be Art Bigelow, Bert Smith, Donnie Stewart, Kenny Stewart, Charles GUDGELL, and James Hale. Visitation will be from 6-8 p.m. today. Memorials may be made to Hospice of the Bluegrass, 2312 Alexandria Dr., 40504. ************************************************************************ For those who want/need nore information on this line, Mardys was a descendant of Andrew GUDGEL, Jr. of Bath Co., KY. This is how I have the line: Mardys C. GUDGELL FIELDS Odd Samuel GUDGELL-George H. GUDGELL Woodson Bryan GUDGELL Thomas F. GUDGELL Allen GUDGELL Andrew GUDGELL, Jr.(*) Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. (*) Some researchers say that Allen GUDGELL was the son of Andrew, Sr. but I haven't ever seen it documented. Hope everyone has a great day. Linda From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:16:48 EDT Subject: Re: Ning, Calvin, Victor Shackleton, and, Edward Gs. (CC'd to bgudgel@eskimo.com) This edward Gudgel would be my grandfathers brother. He disappeared around the turn of the century with his other brother Harry. Edward though left a family (Virgie-a wife) and several children in North Texas/South Oklahoma. One of Edward's Son's -Clarence(AKA-Bob) Ninion Gudgel, Started speling his name with 2 L's. I believe Clarence later moved to Arkansas. I don't know much about this branch of the family. I am going to be finding out more this summer on my trip to Okla and Texas to visit with some of my elderly relatives. I will be going in mid July. Larry Gudgel From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:33:35 EDT Subject: Re: Preston Bend Cemetery Reunion To: william.m.webb@gte.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com To: Bill Webb & Mia Fleegle: I have dicided to wait until mid July to go to Pottsboro texas since Aunt Luella Clement cannot be there at the same time. I am sorry I did not get to meet you in person. When I go I am going to go thru Gracemont Oklahoma and try to get one of my Aunts there to go with me (if they are feeling up to the trip) and then visit Luella. I am sure I will go to the Georgetown Cemetary (that is where my great grandparents are buried-Calvin and Mary (Bell) Gudgel). I may try and go to the court house and get marriage or death cetificates, etc if I can unless someone I know already has them (hint to anyone on the list). I know Calvin and Mary were married in Hanibal Missouri and I have heard there was a flood and a lot of records lost. I am still trying to trace Mary (Bell) Gudgel's parents-Ning and Nan Bell and find out more about them. In particuliar about Indian heritage. Does anyone have a good reference of Ning or Nan's current living relatives. Mia: Do you have any refenences for me to call in Kinderhook ILL or that area that might know about Ning or Nan. Does Ning of Nan have any relatives still living??? Thanks Larry Gudgel From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:56:35 EDT Subject: Re: Pictures of Gudgels Hi Larry, I posted the pictures of Ning & Nan and the family picture of the Calvin Gudgel family. David Milton Gudgel and his oldest sister Rebecca were about the only members of the family that remained in Illinois but they obviously kept in touch with their far flung brothers. My great grandmother Phoebe Ellen Gudgel was a daughter of David Milton Gudgel and a neice to your Calvin. She had pictures of all of them. Probably sent to her father to show the people back home. I also have a family picture of the Allen Gudgel family of Texas and of Louis & Effie Gudgel of Cheyenne Wells, CO. I will send these to Bob to post on the web site. The picture of Andrew was in the possession of a descendant of Francis when I first saw it. I really don't know any more about Ning & Nan than what I sent. I do have a record of their burial however that I will send you. Mia From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:29:54 EDT Subject: Re: Pictures of Gudgels To: mkfleege@library.syr.edu What date is the Ning Bell Obituary and where is he buried. I noticed there are several othe "Bell" females married to Gudgels in the geneology, I wonder if any of them are related?? Has anyone traced these back?? thank for the help on the Pictures I am making a trip to North Texas this July and will collect any data I can on Calvin and Family. I just noticed that Ning and Nan Bell were living in Indian territory "Okla" in 1890 with Calvin ana family. I still wonder if Ning and Nan were of tribal descent and which tribe. I am still looking for pictures of Calvin and family that I have and cannot find. Also I am raiding the pictures files of 3 of my Aunt's this summer and making them tell me who every one is on them. I remember that some of them are old Tin Types. Some in Cowboy clothes with guns and one I remember my grandmother having hanging on her wall of a soldier in WW I with a green Army uniform on. It was Oval shaped. Larry Gudgel From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:32:49 EDT Subject: Re: Pictures of Gudgels To: mkfleege@library.syr.edu Mia, I don't think I ever told you that I spent a couple of years in NY, in Buffalo. I completed my Doctorate there. Doctor of Pharmacy at SUNY. Larry Gudgel Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Meeting GUDGEL cousins Hi everybody- Just wanted to let everyone know that Dave and Grace GUDGEL were here in Woodford Co., KY last week and we did get together a couple of times. What nice people they are! I met them for lunch on Tuesday at a local restaurant and then Gary and I met them for dinner on Tuesday evening. After dinner we took them to the area of Glen's Creek where our old Andrew GUDGEL was to have had a Mill in the 1790's. Also gave them a tour of the southern end of Woodford Co. They were also able to visit our local Historical Society for several hours and I am sure they will tell you about what they found when they return home. Sorry we didn't have more time together but we sure did enjoy our visit. The next day they were off to Gibson Co., IN for several days. I'd love to be able to take a trip like that. Maybe some day when I retire! Hope everyone is doing okay and having a good summer.. Let's hear from some of you guys. Linda from Kentucky= Very warm and a little dry this week. Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 08:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL/CROSSFIELD line obit I am sadly submitting this obituary for a personal friend and cousin, Willie Walker CROSSFIELD, husband of Helen (Smitty) McMurty CROSSFIELD. Many of you have met Smitty through the GUDGEL-List and know that she has researched many years on the GUDGEL and allied surnames as well as her own lines. Smitty, please accept out heartfelt sympathy during this time. You had to know Willie to enjoy his humor and his heart-warming big smile. I will miss him for sure. >From the Lexington Hearld-Leader newspaper, Lexington, KY-June 24, 1999: CROSSFIELD Willie Walker CROSSFIELD, age 86, of Village Drive, Lawrenceburg (*Anderson Co.), died Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at Hospice Care Center in Lexington. He was the son of the late John E. and Myrtle Stratton CROSSFIELD. He was an Anderson Co. native, a 1930 graudate of Lawrenceburg City High, and a retired Kentucky State Deptartment of Transportation employee working in heating and air conditioning. He served in the U.S. Army Air Corp during WWII, a member of Lawrenceburg First Presbyterian Church, a former scout master, a member of V.F.W., American Legion, and Sons of the American Revolution in Punta Gorda, FL. He is survived by his wife of 53 years, Helen McMurtry CROSSFIELD; three sons, John M. (Kathy) CROSSFIELD, Versailles, Steve W. CROSSFIELD and Robert W. (Carla) CROSSFIELD, all of Lawrenceburg; six grandchildren; two great-grandchildren; two sisters, Nell Robinson, Punta Gorda, FL, and Margaret Marlowe, Frankfort. He was preceded in death by two brothers, Herman E. CROSSFIELD and Eddie CROSSFIELD. Funeral services will be at 1 p.m. Friday, June 25, at Ritchie-Peach-Todd Funeral Home with brother David Hilton officiating. Burial will be in Lawrenceburg Cemetery. Visitation 4-8 today and after 8 a.m. on Friday. Contributions suggested to Hospice of the Bluegrass, 208 Steele St., Frankfort, KY 40601. ************************************************************************ Linda Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:43:47 -0700 From: "William \"Bill\" Webb" To: Subject: A new Gudgel to join the list Hi all, I got a letter the other day from an Arlene Gudgel Back in Stinnett, TX. This is where my oldest sister lives. Apparently my Mom called her some years back when she was still living and working actively on the family tree. Mom had learned her maiden name was Gudgel. I don't what Mom was inquiring about. Arlene's mother recently received the Gudgel newsletter from Doyal and it made Arlene want to know more. Arlene contacted my sister Jo and Jo forwarded her to me. Arlene and her husband Rex are buying a computer and want to start their Genealogy. I called and told her about the list and that I would help her get set up when they get it. All the info she could provide me is that her father was John Henry Gudgel 1902-1977, born in Hollis, OK; raised in Sherman County, TX and died in McLean, TX. She said John Henry's father was Clarence Gudgel. That's all I have to work with. Would any one on the list have more info to provide that I could forward on to her? I will give her the List address so that she can introduce herself when she is set up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Don't really have anything to report from the Preston Bend Reunion. (Other than it was extremely Hot!) Did get to meet Shirley and Walton which was a real pleasure. To my knowledge there were no Gudgel's present. We did get to see Martha Gudgel's stone and the 3 stones we believe to be Thomas Jefferson Gudgel, Sarah Jones Gudgel and Mary Myers Gudgel. Guess we'll never be able to prove it although it fits family stories. Will have some pictures (as soon as I can get them developed) that I could scan in and send to you Bob if you'd like them in the archives? Any help to get Arlene into the fold would be appreciated. Regards, Bill From: DenneyRes@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:06:26 EDT Subject: Preston Bend Reunion We did not find any more Gudgel's at the Reunion. However, Bill Webb and family came and we got to meet and visit with them. They did not have a good way of finding other descendants, just visit and ask. The reunion was hosted by the Cemetery Association which was formed a number of years ago and is dependant on contributions. They bought the land the cemetery is on and manage it's upkeep so it will always be accessable and cared for. Information on the children of Martha Allen Gudgel when she married Thomas Jefferson is as follows: William H. Allen (Willie) B: 5/1876 D: 1939 BUR: Preston Bend Cemetery Ona Ethel Allen (Spence) B: 1-21-1885 M: 8-27-1905 D: 7-23-1982 BUR: Kingston Cemetery, Oklahoma Arthur Allen B: 12/1890 D: Mattie Annie Allen (Armstrong) B: 8/16/188l M: l/9/1899, Preston Bend, Texas D: 8/17/67, buried Mt. Taber Cemetery, Gordonville, Tex Lelah Louella Allen (Mills) B: 12-12-1878 D: 1/1/59 BUR: Coleman Cemetery, Marshall County, Texas Mattie, Lela, and Ona lived much of their lives in the Woodville, Madill, Oklahoma area. Don't know what happened to Arthur. In the 1920 census he was still living on the Gudgel farm with Willie. Shirley Denney From: DenneyRes@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:12:04 EDT Subject: Newsletter Just wanted to say I enjoyed the newsletter and it looked very good. Was glad to see pictures of the Homestead Cemetery. It would be interesting to have a list of the people buried on the farm. Does anyone have any idea how many are buried there? Shirley From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:13:46 EDT Subject: Re: Preston Bend Reunion To: DenneyRes@aol.com, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Who are the parents of Martha allen Gudgel and Thomas Jefferson Gudgel? I am making a trip the week of July 12 to Pottsboro Texas. Will do research on Calvin Gudgel and related family. Wish me luck. I will post results on Web page afte I return. I am taking my recorder and visiting with the last 3 granddaughters of Calvin and Mary (Bell) Gudgel. Calvin moved to Pottsboro Texas from Springfield Ill in about 1880's or so. Calvin is the brother of Francis Marion Gudgel and others. Wish me luck. I am trying to nail down this migration and exactly who moved with Calvin and where all the children are. Larry Gudgel From: Jsalerno2@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:37:28 EDT Subject: Mary Jane Gudgel married Rolla Oliver Phillips Hi, I am new to the list. Has anyone ever heard of Mary Jane Gudgel who married Rolla Oliver Phillips 13 Feb 1872 in Bureau Co., Illinois? My information says that she was born 27 Jan 1845 in Jefferson, Indiana. Her parents were Thornton B. Gudgel and Sarah A. Hughs. Mary Jane and R. O. had three children who all died young in Lincoln, Nebraska. Any help would be appreciated very much. Thanks, Joy in Texas Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:53:46 -0700 From: "William \"Bill\" Webb" Subject: A Gudgel wanting to join the list (I posted this yesterday but never saw it come up. Thought I'd try again. Forgive me if you've already received it) Hi all, I got a letter the other day from an Arlene Gudgel Back in Stinnett, TX. This is where my oldest sister lives. Apparently my Mom called her some years back when she was still living and working actively on the family tree. Mom had learned her maiden name was Gudgel. I don't know what Mom was inquiring about. Arlene's mother recently received the Gudgel newsletter from Doyal and it made Arlene want to know more. Arlene contacted my sister Jo and Jo forwarded her to me. Arlene and her husband Rex are buying a computer and want to start their Genealogy. I called and told her about the list and that I would help her get set up when they get it. All the info she could provide me is that her father was John Henry Gudgel 1902-1977, born in Hollis, OK; raised in Sherman County, TX and died in McLean, TX. She said John Henry's father was Clarence Gudgel. That's all I have to work with. Would any one on the list have more info to provide that I could forward on to her? I will give her the List address so that she can introduce herself when she is set up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Don't really have anything to report from the Preston Bend Reunion. (Other than it was extremely Hot!) Did get to meet Shirley and Walton which was a real pleasure. To my knowledge there were no Gudgel's present. We did get to see Martha Gudgel's stone and the 3 stones we believe to be Thomas Jefferson Gudgel, Sarah Jones Gudgel and Mary Myers Gudgel. Guess we'll never be able to prove it although it fits family stories. Will have some pictures (as soon as I can get them developed) that I could scan in and send to you Bob if you'd like them in the archives? Any help to get Arlene into the fold would be appreciated. Regards, Bill From: DenneyRes@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:09:32 EDT Subject: Thomas Jefferson Gudgel To: Larrgudgel@aol.com Hope I can explain this so it is understandable. Thomas Jefferson Gudgel was married three times: l. Sarah Jones 2. Mary Myers 3. Martha Jane Allen - she was a widow with five children, last name of Allen. If you go to Preston Bend, her tombstone is near the small gate entrance, close to Sophia Porter's monument which you won't miss. Beside her is her son, W.H. Allen. Not too far away, toward the side fence, are three field rocks which we be believe would be Thomas Jefferson, Sarah Jones, and Mary Myers as the information we have is that they did not have tombstones but that if we found Martha's their's wouldn't be far away. There are probably a couple of infants buried there also that we don't know any whereabouts. Thomas Jefferson Gudgel was the son of Henry Thomas Gudgel and Sarah Ann Johnson. His siblings were William Alexander, Andrew, Henry, Ann, Jacob, Phillip, and Charles. After the civil war, his girlfriend's family had moved to Illinois so he went to Springfield and married Sarah Jones, and I read in Doyal's material that he moved his family to Texas about 1875. So Thomas Jefferson and Calvin probably spent time together and it would be good to make the connection of the families since they were in the same area. We don't have much information about Mary Myers, especially age, so if you learn anything, please pass it on, and also about Thomas Jefferson. We know dates and stuff but not much about him. Thomas Jefferson Gudgel - Sarah Jones, Mary Myers, Martha Jane Driskell Allen. son of: Henry Thomas Gudgel and Sarah Ann Johnson son of: William Gudgel and Lucy Thurman son of: Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Payne My husband's grandmother was a daughter of Thomas Jefferson. If all this is not clear, let me know and I will try to improve on it. Good luck on your trip. Hope you learn a lot, and will be looking forward to hearing about it. Shirley Shirley Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Thinking of you GUDGEL guys Good morning- I'm on my way to work and just taking a minute to say I'm staying tuned to the messages and looking forward to hearing about what some of you are finding on your research/pleasure trips. Go Larry! BTW, Shirley, maybe I read it wrong....did I see where you had Martha Jane GUDGEL listed as a daughter of Andrew and Elizabeth PAYNE GUDGEL? I beleive she was a daughter of William GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN. Somethimes all these names make me crazy :) Anyone heard from Dave and Grace GUDGEL? Suppose they are home by now. Got to run. Catch you later when I have more time. Linda From: DenneyRes@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:36:15 EDT Subject: Thomas Jefferson Gudgel To: Larrgudgel@aol.com Larry, I said in my e-mail last night that Thomas Jefferson went to Illinois -that should be Missouri, of course - to marry Sarah Jones near Springfield. Linda, Martha Jane wasn't a Gudgel - she married one - Thomas Jefferson's third wife. Thomas Jefferson was brother to Thomas Wiley Gudgel who made the migratiion to California. Apparently there was no problem going from Texas to Oklahoma, and vice versa, in those days across the Red River. No lake then. There was a grade school across from Preston Bend Cemetery, Texas. Children from Preston Bend went to Old Woodville, Oklahoma for high school. Can't you see that happening now. Larry, again, good luck on the trip. Shirley From: Jsalerno2@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:09:22 EDT Subject: Newsletter How do I get a copy of the newsletter? Is it email? Thanks, Joy in Texas Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel To: Jsalerno2@aol.com Subject: Gudgel newsletter Email Doyal Gudgel (ralphj@eskimo.com) and he might be able to help you. He's the one that does the Gudgel newsletter. Thanks, Bob Gudgel Seattle, WA. Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:22:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: "THAT RAGGED OLD FLAG" With the Fourth of July weekend coming up I thought this would be appropriate to share with the List. Hope everyone has an enjoyable holiday. Linda > > >> "THAT RAGGED OLD FLAG" >> (Author Unknown) >> >> I walked through a county courthouse square. >> On a park bench an old man was sitting there. >> I said, "Your old Court House is kinda run down." >> He said, "No, it will do for our little town." >> I said, "Your old flag Pole is leaning a little bit. >> And that's a ragged old Flag you`ve got hanging on it." >> He said, "Have a seat," and I sat down >> "Is the first time that you`ve been to our little town?" >> "Well," he said, "I don't like to brag, >> But we're kinda proud of that ragged old Flag. >> You see, we got a little hole in the Flag there, >> When Washington took it across the Delaware. >> And it got powder burns, the night Francis Scott Key, >> Sat watching it, writing 'Oh, Say, Can You See.' >> And it got a bad rip at New Orleans, >> When Packingham and Jackson took it to the scene >> And, it almost fell at the Alamo beside the Texas Flag >> But she waved on through >> She got cut with a sword at Chancerville, >> And she got cut again at Shilo Hill >> There was Robert E. Lee, Bouregard and Bragg >> The South wind blew hard on that Old Ragged Flag >> On Flanders Field in World War One >> She got a big hole from a Bertha Gun >> She turned BLOOD RED World War Two, >> And she hung limp and low a time or two >> She was in Korea and Vietnam >> She went from our ships upon the briny foam >> Now they've about quit waving her back here at home >> In our good land she's been abused, >> She's been burned, dishonored, denied, and refused >> And the Government for which she stands >> Is scandalized through out the land >> She's getting threadbare and she`s wearing thin, >> But, she's in good shape for the shape she's in >> Because she's been through the fire before, >> I believe she can take a whole lot more >> So we raise her up every morning, and we >> Take her down every night, >> We don't let her touch the ground, >> and we fold her up right, >> On second thought, I DO LIKE TO BRAG, >> BECAUSE I'M MIGHTY PROUD OF THAT RAGGED OLD FLAG. >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> The foundations of our national policy will be laid in the pure and >immutable >> principals of private morality. >> ~~ George Washington in his inaugural speech. >> > > Message-ID: <001501bec3e4$85096da0$6e4e4b0c@default> From: "JAS S POPE" Subject: GUDGEL marriage in Payne Co., OK Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:08:00 -0500 Gudgel List: The Payne Co., (OK) Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 5, No. 4, p. 76 lists Ethel Ottis GUDGEL, age 18, b. KS and William Jessie DURHAM , age 23, b. K being married on 24 Dec 1907. This information was copied by Harold and Bernice Casey from microfilm on file at the Stillwater Public Library. Two days before, a F. C. STUCKER, age 22 also b. in KS, was married to a Clara STEWARD, age, 16, b. KS. Since there are several marriages of Stuckers and Gudgels in Woodford Co., KY this marriage might be more than a coincident. The quarterly states that it is indexed in the PERiodical Source Index (PERSI). The address given for the Payne County Genealogical Society in 1990 was P.O. Box 2708, Stillwater, OK, 74076. Regards JIM POPE From: DenneyRes@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:12:54 EDT Subject: Thomas Jefferson Been corrected - Thomas Jefferson Gudgel was the father,not brother of Thomas Wiley, the one that migrated to California. Got company coming and didn't take time to check it. Sorry. Shirley From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Organization: Syracuse University Library Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:55:23 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Photos CC: gailh@neto.com Hi all, I just thought I would check in with everyone. Life remains extremely busy for me. On Monday, July 5th I leave on my 5th People to People Student Ambassador tour. I will be leading 34 high school students along with 2 other leaders through Spain and France with side trips to Geneva to visit the United Nations & International Red Cross and to Frieburg, Germany to visit the Black Forest. I will be back on July 25th. My two daughters ages 19 and 21 are back home from college for the summer and both working to earn money for school. With four people working 4 jobs with different schedules transportation has been a nightmare so we finally broke down and got a three car with the help of my parents. Laurie works here at the Syracuse University Library with me and Katie is at Old Navy at the mall. My 15 year old son has been enjoying his summer a little bit too much for me and today he was going to try to get a gardening job! Both girls will be traveling to London for school in August. Katie for a semester abroad and Laurie for a whirlwind 4 credit Occupational Therapy program for 2 1/2 weeks. I am still working on my Library School Media Graduate degree and have been taking 6 credits a semester in addition to the family and working full time so I don't often post to the list but I do read it daily. I will be done with the degree in December! Hope you are all having a great summer. La Nina brings extra nice weather to our part of the country (central NY) I have now sent the 3 photos to BOB for posting on the web site. Hope you enjoy. Mia Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:51:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL list- re: Fayette Co., PA Formation This information may prove helpful to those interested in Andrew GUDGEL and Fayette Co., PA research. It came across the Fayette Co., PA mail list. Linda > Fayette County was formed in 1783. It is part of >the area which was unsettled & later erected into >counties whose parentage is traceable to Lancaster >county. It was first included in Cumberland County, >which was formed in 1750. in 1773 Westmoreland County >was formed from Cumberland & Fayette land would have >fallen into that location. The southwestern portion >of Westmoreland County became Washington County in >1781 >& the southeastern portion became Fayette County in >1783. This division is not a straight across border >division, for those of you who are not acquainted with >the bounds of each county on map form. Fayette's >exact boundary lines even changed a tiny bit further >on it's northern border, for quite a few years. > This is evident on the Commonwealth of PA, Dept. of >Internal Affairs Genealogical Map of the Counties. > >_________________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:21:54 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Health Background Researching Gudgel background, I found in a Gudgel 4 generations back, who had a lipoma. A fatty tumor. This was recorded in his Civil War pension applications. This I found very interesting because my father, I and my son also have lipomas. This seems to make it hereditary. Andrew Gudgel was a son of William the son of old Andrew. Andrew's wife was Elvira Wallace. My gg grandfather Henry T was his brother. He had several other brothers and sisters. I would like to know if any others Gudgel's on the list have lipomas or know of anyone who does. For those who do not know what a lipoma is; they are fatty deposits under the surface of the skin. They are a benign tumor. They can vary from the size of a pea up to the size of a goose egg. The size that Andrew had was the size of a goose egg as the doctor described it. I have no way of knowing if my ancestor Henry T had lipomas. Andrew and Henry T his brother got theirs from either their father William or his wife Lucy. It seems to prefer men at least in our family line. I haven't heard of any women having them. This is a good chance for us to find out if present day Gudgels have this malady passed down to all of us. Did Andrews descendants also have this problem? Or is it just my family who have this. Anyone who is reluctant to publish this information can send me the information in confidence. I would really appreciate it. People on the list might be interested if more than my family line is bothered with them. For the descendants of Andrew I have this additional information I culled from the pension application that might be of interest to you. Just about two weeks ago when I went into a hospital for minor surgery the anesthesiologist noticed my lipomas and remarked that they can appear on internal organs and sometimes if they grow on the backbone they can cause paralysis because they grow into the spine and shut off the nerves. Well, Andrew, every year from 1883 until the year he died around 1910 applied for an increase in his pension. Originally he was given a 4 dollar a month pension. After many years and many applications for increase he became bitter because they did not give him an increase in spite of his disability. Considering all his other health problems he was in misery a lot of the time. Several doctors in their physical examination during these years noted the lipoma. When you connect the remark the anesthesiologist made to me about paralysis, then to the complaint of Andrew about his disability there is a very strong possibility the lipoma was the cause of his disability. The doctors described the lipoma as situated across his spine the size of a goose egg. Over the yeas his lack of mobility became worse and worse. He attributed his sciatica of one leg and partial paralysis of the other leg to the shell that exploded close to him at the battle of Stones River. The doctors never found anything to support his claim of disability. They always recommended no increase. He had a lot of other things wrong which I wont go into here. All attributed to the shell explosion at Stones River. The doctors just mentioned the tumor but said nothing more and never suggested it caused his increasing paralysis. Perhaps they were not aware of the possibility of it causing paralysis at that time in medical history. So if any of you Gudgels out there have lipomas please let me know and tell me what you know about it. Have a nice day. It is raining Seattle. Doyal Gudgel. (but it is a dry rain) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 08:50:17 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Health I've had responses from two Gudgels so far since I requested information about lipomas in family history. One was a male and the other female. Both have numerous lipomas as I do. One does not attribute the lipomas to his Gudgel line as his other line had them more recently than the Andrew Gudgel I wrote about. It is not often we get a chance to chart something hereditary as these lipomas seem to be. This will encourage me to look a little deeper especially if I get letters from others with them. One Gudgel who responded I have to verify their line goes back to William and Lucy Thurman. This situation is quite unique in my opinion. Have a nice day! Doyal Gudgel From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:32:15 EDT Subject: Re: Health Doyal; Good to hear from you. Hope all is well. The information about the Lipoma's is interesting. I too, have had a Lipoma (just one). It was on my neck just under my jaw. I had it removed about thirty years ago when it was about the diameter of a penny. The interesting thing is that, as far as I know, I am not a Gudgel descendant. Could be though. I just know that my Great Grandfather Phillip Gudgel was not Henry T's son. Don't know who his father was. Another interesting thing is the stories about Old Andrew losing the use of his legs. Wonder if that could have been caused by Lipoma. Never know for sure, I guess. Dave Gudgel Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 17:18:29 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Gudgeld@aol.com, gudgel list Subject: Re: Health I eat dinner with a retired Heart Surgeon a couple times a week and he said lipomas are quite common. "everybody" has them. So looks like they are not as rare as I thought. Although my father, I and a son all have so many of them I think is unique somewhat. But one or two probably isn't connected with heredity. One doctor wanted to do some tests on me regarding them on internal organs but I never got around to it. Doyal Gudgeld@aol.com wrote: > > Doyal; > > Good to hear from you. Hope all is well. > > The information about the Lipoma's is interesting. I too, have had a Lipoma > (just one). It was on my neck just under my jaw. I had it removed about > thirty years ago when it was about the diameter of a penny. The interesting > thing is that, as far as I know, I am not a Gudgel descendant. Could be > though. I just know that my Great Grandfather Phillip Gudgel was not Henry > T's son. Don't know who his father was. > > Another interesting thing is the stories about Old Andrew losing the use of > his legs. Wonder if that could have been caused by Lipoma. Never know for > sure, I guess. > > Dave Gudgel Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: new Gudgel Welcome to Gerald (Gardner) Gudgel to the mail list... (from his subscribe notice today) My name is Gerald Gudgel, born in Louisville, KY..12/19/47 My father's name was Boyd, he was born in Harrison(?) County, KY 4/15/12 This is all I know of the Gudgel side of my family. Thanks Gerald starmon@televar.com Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:23:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gerald GUDGEL lineage Welcome to Gerald GUDGEL, our latest new subscriber to the list! I am glad to say I can help Gerald with his lineage. I also have a one pint size milkbottle which I acquired some years ago at a flea market in Louisville, KY which reads: BOYD GUDGEL DAIRY PRODUCTS The bottome of the bottle says: Boyd GUDGEL, Louisville, KY Actually I bought two of them and gave one to my brother, Windy. I believe this Dairy was run by your father? Your lineage as I have it is as follows: (And this particular line gets confusing because GUDGEL(L) cousins married :) Your parents: Boyd GUDGEL-b. April 15, 1912 in Alton, Anderson Co., KY (not Harrison Co.), d. July, 1981 (Jefferson Co.?), KY. Married Geraldine WILLIAMS January 22, 1937 Jefferson Co., KY. Geraldine was b. May 12, 1912. No other data on Geraldine. Paternal Grandparents: John Harvey GUDGELL b. April 13, 1872 Bath Co., KY, d. September 25, 1937 Jefferson Co., KY. Married September 19, 1906 Fayette Co., KY to Martha DUNIGAN (b. May 7, 1885 Franklin Co., KY, d. Nov. 4, 1970, dau. of William Taylor DUNNIGAN and Sally RICE). Paternal Great Grandparents: John H. GUDGELL-b. February 18, 1817 Bath Co., KY. d. April 15, 1872. Married September 15, 1852 Anderson Co., KY to Elizabeth GUDGELL. Elizabeth b. November 17, 1822 Anderson Co., KY, d. May 15, 1896, dau. of Andrew GUDGEL and Elizabeth MOUNTJOY. I have John H. GUDGELL's line and this Andrew above, back to our immigrant ancestor, Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. Also several generations on Martha DUNNIGAN. At the Kentucky Historical Society in the GUDGEL family file there is a copy of a huge pedigree chart constructed years ago by Boyd GUDGEL. This was surely your father? I copied it years ago. It was done beautifully. Hope this helps in some way. Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY (also formerly of Alton, Anderson Co., KY). Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Gerald GUDGEL lineage This is a reply that I got from Gerald GUDGEL. I have answered him privately but wanted to share this with the list. Linda >Linda, thank you for your quick reply. Yes my father did own the dairy, went >out of business in 1950. I did have a copy of the family tree my father made >but I lost my copy years ago, my older brother Boyd also lost his copy. I >have been living in Washington state for the past 19 years and don't get >back to Kentucky often. Did you know there is a Gudgel Drive in Louisville > part of the old dairy farm) and a Gudgel Indiana ? ( I believe my uncle >Clay's kids or grand kids have something to do with that ) Thanks >Gerald Gudgel Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Frederick GODSHALK I received this data from the GODSCHALK Mail List. It is thought that Christian ALLEBACH married a dau. of Frederick GODSHALK, and also sister of Andrew. I will look up her name later. Somehow I think this will fit together with our Andrew and Frederick eventually. Linda >Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 00:38:48 -0400 >From: "Michael J. Godshalk" >Organization: http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk >Subject: Frederick GODSHALK >Resent-Message-ID: >To: GODSHALK-L@rootsweb.com > >Can anyone verify this info???? Or add to it?? Thanks for looking. > > Mike > >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Descendants of Frederick GODSHALL > >1 Frederick GODSHALL >.2 Mrs GODSHALL (first name unknown) >..... +Christian ALLEBACH Father: Christian ALLEBACH Mother: Maria >GRATER >..... 3 Abraham ALLEBACH >..... 3 Catharine ALLEBACH Born: 1764 Died: 20 December 1843 >......... +Jacob OBERHOLTZER Born: 5 September 1767 Died: 16 October >1836 >........ 4 Catharine OBERHOLTZER >........ 4 John OBERHOLTZER >........ 4 David OBERHOLTZER >........ 4 Lena OBERHOLTZER >........ 4 Michael OBERHOLTZER >........ 4 Hanna OBERHOLTZER >........ 4 Anna OBERHOLTZER >........ 4 Joseph OBERHOLTZER >........ 4 Mary OBERHOLTZER >........ 4 Oberholtzer OBERHOLTZER > >*~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* >Michael J. Godshalk mailto:godshalk@suntan.eng.usf.edu >2217 Summit View Dr. "Godshalk Family Tree Home Page" >VALRICO, FL 33594-5235 http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk >(813) 681-9481 My FTM book "The Godshalk History" >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/o/d/Michael-James-Godshalk/ > MY MAILING LISTS: Send me an E-Mail if you'd like to join. > mailto:GODSHALK-L-request@rootsweb.com > mailto:Stegall_N_Stratton-L-request@rootsweb.com > mailto:starner-family@coollist.com > mailto:hartleb-family@coollist.com > ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Jacob Oberholtzer/Catharine Allebach This is a reply to my email about the ALLEBACH line. I'm even more confused at this point! Linda >Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 03:11:48 -0400 >From: "Michael J. Godshalk" >Organization: http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk >Subject: Jacob Oberholtzer/Catharine Allebach >To: GODSHALK-L@rootsweb.com > >This is some info from Gary Anderson ... >mailto:gandrsn@ocean.otr.usm.edu ... it should be helpful to someone in >the group. > > Mike > >*~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* >Michael J. Godshalk mailto:godshalk@suntan.eng.usf.edu >2217 Summit View Dr. "Godshalk Family Tree Home Page" >VALRICO, FL 33594-5235 http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk >(813) 681-9481 My FTM book "The Godshalk History" >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/o/d/Michael-James-Godshalk/ > MY MAILING LISTS: Send me an E-Mail if you'd like to join. > mailto:GODSHALK-L-request@rootsweb.com > mailto:Stegall_N_Stratton-L-request@rootsweb.com > mailto:starner-family@coollist.com > mailto:hartleb-family@coollist.com > ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ > >Michael J. Godshalk wrote: >> >> everyone wants more info on the line also. If you'd like to post the >> 'offspring' info to the GODSHALK group ... I'm sure that other people >> would like to get the info. > >Here is the information on Jacob Oberholtzer/Catharine Allebach as found >on >page 51 (not 53) of the Barbara Ford's "Oberholtzer Book": >JF131 Jacob Oberholtzer 9/5/1767-10/16/1836 Chester Co, bur Vincent >Mennonite >Chester m Catharine Allebach c1763-12/20/1842 Montgy Co, bur Skippack >Mennonite >JF1311 John A Oberholtzer 8/28/1794-2/14/1842 m Catharine Waters d age >80, >both bur Skippack Mennonite >JF1312 David A Oberholtzer 2/28/1796-12/14/1878 m Mary Hunsberger >11/2/1798-11/6/1892, both bur Plains Mennonite >JF1313 Mary A Oberholtzer 5/22/1798-4/6/1879 (S), bur Skippack Mennonite >JF1314 Magdalena Oberholtzer 11/19/1799-9/16/1861 m 11/20/1825 by Rev >George >Wack, Daniel Cassel 3/9/1796-8/10/1879, both bur Skippack Mennonite >JF1315 Catharine Oberholtzer c1800-c1887 m1 10/14/1827 Whitpain Ref >Church, >John Swartz 2/11/1804-5/11/1841, both bur Line Lexington Mennonite (m2 >John Rosenberger) >JF1316 Jacob A Oberholtzer 3/31/1801-8/29/1866 Oble Co IL m Catharine >Anglemoyer 9/16/1807-3/20/1875 Ogle Co IL, from Drumore Twp, Lancaster >Co to >Ogle Co IL c1856, both bur West Branch Cem, Ogle Co IL >JF1317 Michael A Oberholtzer 5/6/1803-5/20/1880 m1 Elizabeth Anglemoyer >10/26/1811-10/11/1861, m2 Maria Loux 9/21/1812-12/4/1873, all 3 bur >Rockhill Mennonite >JF1318 Hannah A Oberholtzer 1/3/1805-2/10/1887 (S), bur Skippack >Mennonite >JF1319 Anna A Oberholtzer 11/7/1806-5/14/1894 m Peter Hunsberger >11/3/1805-8/22/1887, both bur Upper Skippack Mennonite >JF1310 Joseph A Oberholtzer 1/4/1810-12/17/1898 m c1837 Catharine Kline >8/11/1816-4/19/1897, bur Towamencin Mennonite > >I think I got the typos out of this. > >Best wishes, >Gary Anderson >-- >Home: http://tidepool.st.usm.edu/gandrsn/gandrsn.html >Biology Courseware: http://tidepool.st.usm.edu/crswr/syl.html >Tanaidacea: http://tidepool.st.usm.edu/tanaids/index.html >Genealogy: http://tidepool.st.usm.edu/genealogy/andersongenealogy.html > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:18:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: COAT of ARMS Someone may want to check this out. Linda Loop: GODSHALK-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: GODSHALK-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Just got a copy of the GOTTSCHALK 'coat of arms' ... if anyone can >receive an attachment ... and would like to see a copy of it ... just >send me an email. I'd send it via the group ... but ROOTSWEB won't >allow attachments. > >If you've got a GODSHALK 'coat of arms' I'd love to get a copy of it. > > Mike > >*~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* >Michael J. Godshalk mailto:godshalk@suntan.eng.usf.edu >2217 Summit View Dr. "Godshalk Family Tree Home Page" >VALRICO, FL 33594-5235 http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk >(813) 681-9481 My FTM book "The Godshalk History" >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/o/d/Michael-James-Godshalk/ > MY MAILING LISTS: Send me an E-Mail if you'd like to join. > mailto:GODSHALK-L-request@rootsweb.com > mailto:Stegall_N_Stratton-L-request@rootsweb.com > mailto:starner-family@coollist.com > mailto:hartleb-family@coollist.com > ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ > > From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:28:03 EDT Subject: Re: Health To: ralphj@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Stop Worrying re lipomas. My source was my mother Myrtle Taylor Gudgel lived to 105. Of my 100s one was removed for obtaining insurance and was a normal lipoma though I have Familial Lipomas. Have then removed only for cosmetic or painful location. I will be a dermatologist 50 years God-willing next year. Ed G. Fort Myers Fl. Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:01:42 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Gerald GUDGEL lineage Which Boyd was the banker? This one? I am pretty sure he was as I got a chart from a Boyd Gudgel years ago in the mail. Doyal Gudgel Have a nice day. Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > This is a reply that I got from Gerald GUDGEL. I have answered him > privately but wanted to share this with the list. > Linda > > >Linda, thank you for your quick reply. Yes my father did own the dairy, went > >out of business in 1950. I did have a copy of the family tree my father made > >but I lost my copy years ago, my older brother Boyd also lost his copy. I > >have been living in Washington state for the past 19 years and don't get > >back to Kentucky often. Did you know there is a Gudgel Drive in Louisville > > part of the old dairy farm) and a Gudgel Indiana ? ( I believe my uncle > >Clay's kids or grand kids have something to do with that ) Thanks > >Gerald Gudgel > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gudgel Health Issues Hi Everybody- I have pondered the thought about the Lipomas? that have been discussed lately and this doesn't sound like anything that is prevelant in any of my GUDGEL lines. If anything, we seem to have lots of moles. Also cysts. My father, Norman GUDGEL, I, had asthma all his life and spells of a mysterious fever that doctors could never diagnos. Years ago a team of doctors at the University of Kentucky offered to run all sorts of tests at no cost to my Dad just so that they could figure it out. After all of that was said and done they said that they frankly didn't know what it was. At least they were honest. Dad would have these chills and fever spells ever so often and in later years he could tell when they were coming on so he would take Prednesone for a few days and that seemed to ward it off. My grandfather, Samuel Madison GUDGEL (father of Norman) died of ulcerative colitus. I have letters from the Lexington Clinic that discuss his treatments at that time and I always felt like they really didn't know how to treat it back then -1937 to 1940's. He suffered a long time with it and from the reports it must have really been bad, especially in the summers. Otherwise we seem to be just average folks here. As everyone know Kentucky has always been the center of the "Burley Belt" with tobacco production. Tobacco is fast declining as a major crop in Kentucky due to the issues of smoking and cancer. This crop has been the mainstay of the Kentucky farmer for many years and a lot of the older farmers don't want to give it up. Lots of older people here have died of cancer of different kinds. Hemp seems to be a crop that is gaining popularity as far as goods produced from it. Of course there is the old arguement that legalizing Hemp is the same as legaling marijuana. Gosh, it really raises a stink and an arguement with the Southern Baptists here in the Bible Belt of the South. That's all for now. Linda--in hot and muggy Kentucky. 95 degrees today, heat index about 105. I'm staying inside today! From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:04:27 EDT Subject: Re: COAT of ARMS To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, GUDGEL-List@eskimo.com I would like a copy of the family coat of arms also. I can receive attachments and if possible a reference as to where it can be found. Larry Gudgel From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:10:10 EDT Subject: Calvin Gudgel's family To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, GUDGEL-List@eskimo.com I will make my trip this next week to Pottsboro Texas to visit old relatives and to Gracemont Okla. Will find out as much as I can about the Gudgel's that settled in North Texas. I know that Calvin Gudgel make the trip from Springfield Illinois in a covered wagon. Don't know the exact year (?1880's). I will be trying to find out what other Gudgel's came with him or later moved to the area. Does anyone know where Francis Marion Gudgel (Calvin's Brother) settled or if he ever was in Texas???? I know that Calvin lived in Indian territory in 1900 from the Chickasaw Indian census thanks to the list and Bob's research. Larry Gudgel From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:28:54 EDT Subject: Re: Health Background To: ralphj@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Sounds like Familial Lipomas do run in family! Only other family probably Taylor as other Gudgels claim Zachary Taylor connection.but do not know if lipomas run earlier from my mother who was a Taylor-Burnett. Does sound like a recessive trait so would nee both sides. Ed G. Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:24:18 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Larrgudgel@aol.com CC: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, GUDGEL-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Calvin Gudgel's family Larrgudgel@aol.com wrote: The following information comes from the Military and Pension records of Marion Gudgel. He died Aug. 23, 1898 in Gresham Nebraska. NO mention of living in Oklahoma in the pension records. His first wife Valentine died and he then married Anna Isch who was born in Germany. This should be the brother of Calvin. If you want more military records let me know. He enlisted in Co. B 91st Ill volunteers. If you don't have his children and dates let me know also. Doyal Gudgel > > I will make my trip this next week to Pottsboro Texas to visit old relatives > and to Gracemont Okla. Will find out as much as I can about the Gudgel's > that settled in North Texas. I know that Calvin Gudgel make the trip from > Springfield Illinois in a covered wagon. Don't know the exact year > (?1880's). I will be trying to find out what other Gudgel's came with him or > later moved to the area. > > Does anyone know where Francis Marion Gudgel (Calvin's Brother) settled or if > he ever was in Texas???? > > I know that Calvin lived in Indian territory in 1900 from the Chickasaw > Indian census thanks to the list and Bob's research. > > Larry Gudgel Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:10:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Another new GUDGEL today! Hi Everybody- I got an interesting call this afternoon from John Bert GUDGEL of Salinas, CA. He said I had met his wife, Mona, via internet email and had called him but he wasn't home at the time......zowee!! my mind was drawing blanks by now.......then I remembered a Mona GUDGEL who was the Director of the Monterey Co., CA Historical Society. I had submitted a search for GUDGEL on Netscape and had gotten her name some months ago. (I hate it when I go blank like that ). Anyway, we talked a long while and he knew only the names of his grandparents and great grandparents and that they came out of IL. He is a chiropractor, married and has two grown children. I am thrilled when I can help someone out and by golly, I have his line all the way back to old Andrew! I offered to send him some info. with his lineage and he is very excited about it. His wife is very "into" the interent and computers so I have encouraged him to have her subscribe to the mail list so that he can read it and then she can teach him how to send and receive email and become one of us. He has known about the GUDGEL Family Reunions in CA but has never attended. Plans on going to the next one in the year 2000. His line as I got it over the phone is: John Bert GUDGEL (raised in Indianapolis, IN) Haley Pritchard GUDGEL (Champaign, IL) Bert Allen GUDGEL (Champaign, IL and Olney, IL) John S. GUDGEL and Melinda HARROLD He has an aunt, Lucille GUDGEL BOWEN, age 84, who lives in Lompoc, CA and is very into researching GUDGEL's. She is on-line and I can't wait to talk to her. He also heard there was a group effort (us I guess) that was trying to restore the GUDGEL Cemetery in Gibson Co., IN and offered to help out with that. I told him we were still waiting to see what the town Trustees in GIBSON Co. were going to do and we would let him know. So I will keep you posted when I know more. I love hearing from other GUDGEL's out of the blue like that. Later, Linda Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GODSHALK and GOTTSCHALK coat of arms For anyone who wants to view the GODSHALK or GOTTACHALK Coat of Arms you can see both at: http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk/coatofarms.html Michael set up a web page to display them since there was so many requests for the file to be sent as an attachment. Below is also a little history about them. Not sure how authentic these symbols are but at least it's something to go on. Linda >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >The Godshalk Coat Of Arms And Its History > >Coats of Arms were developed in the Middle Ages as a means of >identifying warriors in battle and tournaments. The present function of >the Coat of Arms (although still one of identity) serves more to >preserve the tradition that arose from it's earlier use. > >Heraldic artists of old developed their own unique language to describe >an individual Coat of Arms. The Coat of Arms illustrated herein was >drawn by an heraldic artist from information recorded in ancient >heraldic archives. Our research indicates that there are often times a >number of different Coats of Arms recorded for a specific surname. When >possible we select and translate the Coat of Arms most representative of >your surname or its variant for illustration. > >THE GODSHALK COAT OF ARMS HEREBY ILLUSTRATED IS OFFICIALLY DOCUMENTED IN >SIEBMACHER'S WAPPENBUCH. THE ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ARMS (SHIELD) >IS AS FOLLOWS > >"SECHSBLATTERIGE ROSE" WHEN TRANSLATED THE BLAZON ALSO DESCRIBES THE >ORIGINAL COLORS OF THE GODSHALK ARMS AS: >"A SIX-PETALED ROSE" > > >*~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* >Michael J. Godshalk mailto:godshalk@suntan.eng.usf.edu >2217 Summit View Dr. "Godshalk Family Tree Home Page" >VALRICO, FL 33594-5235 http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk >(813) 681-9481 My FTM book "The Godshalk History" >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/o/d/Michael-James-Godshalk/ > MY MAILING LISTS: Send me an E-Mail if you'd like to join. > mailto:GODSHALK-L-request@rootsweb.com > mailto:Stegall_N_Stratton-L-request@rootsweb.com > mailto:starner-family@coollist.com > mailto:hartleb-family@coollist.com > ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ > > Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:45:55 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Coat of Arms & Old Andrew's parents Linda, So glad that so many new Gudgels in Ca are finding our site. It is strange that with so many already there from the Dust Bowl days of OK that they haven't found each other in all these years. Hope they will be able to attend the CA reunion in 2000. Looks like we should be preparing a giant genie chart to show everyone how they are related, hum? As for the coat of arms on the Gottschalk, etc.--- I would not hold too much to whatever is advertised for that name if I were you. I would want to know more about how these things are compiled first and so far I still am not convinced that Gottschalk is our name. I find very early in the records in the 1700s that our name was indeed being spelled most of the time as Gudgel. As far as Old Andrew's parents go, perhaps with all the new Gudgels on-line now one or two could begin to look into the suspected siblings of Old Andrew and see where that may lead. If any leads can be traced back to Old Andrew when he was living in SW PA in Fayette Co or perhaps after he moved to KY, then I would be more inclinded to believe he was connected to the Bucks Co, PA line of Frederick. I guess I still am more suspect than anyone else about drawing conclusions before getting solid information. I wonder if Old Andrew actually had those two daughters in the 1750s what happened to them? If his first wife died, then who might have taken the girls to raise? Would there be records of when they married? Did his sisters raise them? Did his sisters die in PA. Can we find those records? I just can't believe that Old Andrew would not have had contact with his family after leaving Bucks Co, PA that we have not been able to find yet. Yes, the IOU that came back to haunt him 20 yrs later is a powerful lead that is for sure. I have been trying to continue my research into the settlement of SW PA in the 1760s where Old Andrew was a part of that movement. The Ohio Co of Virginia was suppose to settle about 100 families there according to the records, especially of Christopher Gist. And I sure would like to find more of those records. So far I have determined that the Darling Library at the Univ of PA, (I believe) should hold more archival information on Gist's attempt to bring 100 mostly German families to the area. One of those families might very well be Old Andrew. Perhaps someone who is going to PA might be able to look into the Darling Library? I have contacted them via internet but I doubt they answer questions. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:42:54 EDT Subject: Re: Coat of Arms & Old Andrew's parents To: dianeh@corecom.net I think you are on the right track. I was in Baltimore for one day at Maryland Historical Museum and tried to find out @ AndrewJr., no success. The Quakers, Mennonites and the Germans were all persecuted at the time and the crazy land titles and various confused states plus the Revolution made life miserable and didn't encouraged good records! Ed G Fl From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:09:04 EDT Subject: Trip to Athens and Owensville Since we have been home a couple of weeks, I thought it was time I started getting some information on the Gudgel page. Frankly, I have spent a lot of time sorting the HUGE pile of information we gathered but have not had time to do much else with it. I should mention a couple of things. First, we really enjoyed meeting Linda and Gary Finnell. They are great people. We had a wonderful visit and a great tour of Woodford County. It was really exciting to see the area where Old Andrew had his mill. The country around there is beautiful and the horse farms look like manicured lawns with freshly painted wood rail fences and barns that look like very nice houses. Second, I took pictures of all the Gudgel headstones at two of the cemeteries at Athens, IL. I would be happy to scan some (or all) of them and send them along to anyone interested. I also took pictures of all the remaining headstones at the Gudgel cemetery on Old Andrew's farm near Owensville, IN. I can do the same with those. I will probably send a number of them to Bob and he can put them on the page if he wants. I only have about half of the pictures from Owensville back from the lab. The rest are still in the camera and it will be a while before I finish the roll and get them processed. A note about the Gudgel farm at Owensville. It is currently owned by Robert GUDGEL and his two sisters, Ruth Gudgel DENNING and Dorothy Gudgel DOUGLAS. Robert lives near Owensville and Ruth lives on the corner beside the farm. When we were there it was planted in soybeans and they weren't tall enough yet that it kept you from walking between the rows to get to the cemetery. Anyway we got in there just fine. I talked to Robert on the phone, but didn't get a chance to meet him. We did meet Ruth and talked with her a bit. She is a very nice lady and we enjoyed talking to her. She lives there with her son, if I remember right. Also, if my memory is correct, one of Robert's daughters, Linda Gudgel LEISTER, and her husband currently live on six acres of the old farm which has been split off and is owned by Linda and her husband. I should have taken some notes. If I have remembered incorrectly, maybe Robert can straighten it out when he reads this. The cemetery is in very bad shape. Ruth told us that someone from the county had recently come out and sprayed it with weed killer. About the only thing still living was one tree. Some of the headstones are broken up, but I was able to find all the pieces and I think it could be cleaned up made to look pretty good. The stone for William and Lucy is broken into three or four pieces but are all there. All the stones are still readable. Someone had mentioned that there may be graves there without markers. It is sure possible, but it had so much dead brush and weeds that none were obvious. I will get together a list of all the names of people buried there (those with headstones anyway) and post it shortly. There was one headstone for an Oscar J. Summers? son of D.L. and L.C., born Aug. 11, 1855 and died Sept. 29, 1856. Anyone know who that is? One more puzzle before I go. (I came up with more questions than answers on this trip, but a lot of information.) In the 1820 U.S. Census for Gibson Co., IN there is an Elizabeth Gudgle (should be Gudgel, I'm sure) listed. I assume that this is our Elizabeth/Betsy Paul Payn/Payne (I get so tired of this I think it should be Pain). The people at the residence included one male under 10, one male between 16 and 18, one male between 18 and 26, one female under 10, one female between 16 and 26, and one female over 45, and listed one person as a farmer. William would have been 19 and was not yet married which accounts for the male between 18 and 26, Hetty was 21 and didn't get married until 1821 so she is probably the female between 16 and 26. Nancy was 23 and had married William Teel in 1816, so was probably living elsewhere. So who are the other three people, one boy under 10, one girl under 10 and one young man between 16 and 18? Did they have grandchildren of some of Andrew's previous children that might have been living with them? Not a big crisis, but a curiosity. Enough for this time. Dave Gudgel From: "Gardner Gudgel" Subject: new birth Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:26:09 -0700 I would like to announce the birth of my great nephew Nicholas Hewitt , = son of Boyd Gudgel III, in Louisville Kentucky Gerald = Gudgel Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gudgel's and Bluegrass Tidbits Hi to everyone. It's sure been hot here in Kentucky. Guess most everyone else is also suffering from the heat waves. Possible thunderstorms and rain tonight. It's been a busy week as usual but I wanted to share a few things. Jim Pope (on our list) from St. Louis, MO has been hospitalized and has been treated for congestive heart failure. He will be off line for a bit while he is tentatively moving to Columbia, MO closer to his son. Jim was to be released today I think. His wife, Fannie, has also been hospitalized for an extended time after taking a bad fall. We wish them both a speedy recovery. Jim says he will be back on line when he gets moved and settled. Take care Jim and Fannie and know we are thinking of you.. I received an email from a lady in Versailles, Indiana who saw a query I had posted about GUDGEL(L)'s and she said she had a couple of old obituaries that were in with some other research she had from a family member if I would like to have them. I received them yesterday in the mail and they are from the Bath Co., KY line of GUDGELL's: Before I post them I will give you the lineage of this line as some of you may want to add them to your research data: George Dallas GUDGELL 1881-1960 John T. GUDGELL 1848-1930 Thomas Fletcher GUDGELL 1815-1878 Allen GUDGELL 1788-1868 Andrew GUDGEL, Jr. 1760-1774 - 1840 Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. 1727-1815 The obits are as follows: MRS. GUDGELL DIES AT SHERBURNE Mrs. Elizabeth DONALDSON GUDGELL, 62, wife of Dallas GUDGELL, of Maysville, died at the home of a daughter, Mrs. Cliff STEPHENS, at Sherburne after an illness of several years. She was born in Fleming Co., KY on September 9, 1883, the daughter of the late Fletcher and Alice OWENS DONALDSON. She and Mr. GUDGELL were married on January 29th, 1902, and spent most of their married life in Bath and Fleming counties. Mrs. GUDGELL was a member of the Tilton Christian Church. Besides her husband and the daughter at whose home she passed away, she is survived by the following children, Sgt. John F. GUDGELL, who arrived home from Europe just in time for his mother's funeral; Clyde GUDGELL, at home; Bryan GUDGELL and Mrs. Paul HEAVY of Dayton, OH; Mrs. Clarence TOBIN and Mrs. Conway EMMONS, both of Mason Co. She also leaves two sisters and four brothers, Mrs. J.W. HULL, of Mason Co.; Mrs. Michael SWINGER and William James and Cleveland DONALDSON, all of Cincinnati; and Powell DONALDSON, of this county. Mrs. W.H. OREM, of this city, is a niece. Another son, PFC Julian GUDGELL, was killed in action on Luzon last April. Funeral and burial services were held at Owingsville last Friday afternoon. (Note: Data on this family- George Dallas GUDGELL b. June 18, 1881 d. November 26, 1960 Bath Co., KY. Married Elizabeth "Lizzie" DONALDSON b. September 9, 1883 d. January 2, 1946. Children: John Fletcher GUDGELL (no data) William Bryan GUDGELL 1902-1951 Walter Scott GUDGELL 1905-1906 Leona May GUDGELL 1907- ? Jessie Clay GUDGELL 1909-1909 (3 mos.) Martha Gladys GUDGELL 1910-1962 Ivetta GUDGELL 1913- ? Alice Mildred GUDGELL 1915- ? Julian Charles GUDGELL 1923-1945 Clyde Brooks GUDGELL 1928-1997 I met Clyde Brooks GUDGELL about 1996 in Lexington and he resided in Maysville, KY at that time. He brought a family photo album to share with me. Lots of data on the DONALDSON's and GUDGELL's. I assume the above obit. appeared in a local paper from Maysville and it must have been about 1946. ************************************************************************ MRS. GUDGELL DIES AT WHITE OAK Mrs. Mildred A. GUDGELL, 99, widow of John T. GUDGELL, died at 11.30 p.m. Saturday, December 11, at her home in White Oak. She had been on good health, despite her age, but fell and broke her hip two weeks ago A sister, Mrs. Ruth Jones, died at the age of 103 in 1942. Mrs. GUDGELL was a native of Bath Co., KY, daughter of the late Elliott and Sallie CONYERS DARNELL. Survivors include two daughters, Mrs. WIllie VANLANDINGHAM and Mrs. Elee (Eli?) METCALFE, Bath Co.; two sones, Charles GUDGELL, White Oak, and Dallas GUDGELL, Maysville; 15 grandchildren, 19 great grandchildren; and 5 great great grandchildren. Funeral services were held at the White Oak Christian Church, of which she was a member, at 1:30 p.m. Monday, conducted by the Rev. Henry S, Ficklin. Burial was in the Owingsville Cemetery. Pallbearers were Darnell Snedagar, Burl Colliver, Harley Ellington, Carroll Jones, Woodson GUDGELL and George Beadle. (Note: Mildred A. DARNELL GUDGELL was b. 1849 d. 1948, wife of John T. GUDGELL. She was also the mother of George Dallas GUDGELL (see 1st obit submitted). This obit was probably from the Bath County Outlook Newspaper in 1948. *********************************************************************** Something else-got a message from Pearl Brokofsky of Grand Island, NE. She sent a lot of new additions to the lineage charts we have shared and wanted to know if this is something I want her to send. Yes, Pearl, it's wonderful to keep the lineage going. It's so easy to lose track of newer family members and some day someone else will be looking at our data trying to find those folks who are young now. That's all for now. Hope everyone is doing okay. Linda from Kentucky Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:47:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: German Ancestors This came across the GODSHALK mail list tonight. It sure made me wonder what hardships our ancestors suffered on their journey to America. Linda >To: GODSHALK-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: GODSHALK-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/193 >X-Loop: GODSHALK-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: GODSHALK-L-request@rootsweb.com > >I found this story and thought I'd share it with everyone. It really >makes you think, as most of our ancestors came to the USA around this >time frame. Try and not get toooooooo teary eyed as you read this!!! >Makes me stop and think .... then next time I complain about not getting >a reply to an email in less than an hour!!!!! :-) What a different >life WE live in today. > > Mike > >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >--Source of information: Alison D. Martin >Ever wonder what it was like for your ancestors to travel across the >ocean to get here? I was lucky enough that one of the passengers, who >came with my 6th great grandfather on the ship Osgood and arrived in >Philadelphia on Sept 29 1750, wrote down his experience. I have read it >probably a hundred times and find it fascinating as well as humbling. >This is supposed to be typical of the immigration experience during this >time. Just thought I would share. The man who wrote it was Gottleib >Mittelberger. > >"Both in Rotterdam and Amsterdam the people are packed densely like >herrings so to say in the large sea-vessels. One person receives a >place scarcely two feet wide and 6 feet in length in the bedstead, while >many a ship carries four to six hundred souls; not to mention the >innumerable implements, tools, provisions, water-barrels and other >things which likewise occupy such space. > >On account of contrary winds it takes sometimes 2, 3, and 4 weeks to >make the trip from Holland to England. But when the wind is good, they >get there in 8 days or even sooner. Everything is examined there and >the customs duties paid, whence it comes that the ships ride there 8, 10 >or 14 days and even longer at anchor, till they have taken their full >cargoes. During that time, everyone is compelled to spend his last >remaining money and to consume his little stock of provisions which had >been reserved for the sea; so that most passengers, finding themselves >on the ocean where they would be in greater need of them, most suffer >from hunger and want. Many suffer want already on the water between >Holland and Old England. > >When the ships have for the last time weighed their anchors near the >city of Kaupp (Cowes) in Old England, the real misery begins with the >long voyage. For from there, the ships, unless they have good wind, >must often sail 8, 9, 10 to 12 weeks before they reach Philadelphia. >But even with the best winds the voyage lasts 7 weeks. > >But during the voyage, there is on board these ships terrible misery, >stench fumes, horror, vomiting, many kinds of sea sickness, fever, >dysentery, headache, heat, constipation, boils, scurvy, cancer, mouth >rot, and the like, all of which come from old and sharply salted food >and meat, also from very bad foul water, so that many die miserably. > >Add this to the want of provisions, hunger, thirst, frost, heat, >dampness, anxiety, want, afflictions, and laminations, together with >other troubles as the lice abound so frightfully, especially on sick >people, that they can be scraped off the body. The misery reaches a >climax when a gale rages for 2 or 3 nights and days so that every one >believes that the ship will go to the bottom with all the human beings >on board. In such a visitation the people cry and pray most piteously. > >Children from 1 to 7 rarely survive the voyage. I witnessed misery in >no less than 32 children in our ship, all who were thrown into the sea. >The parents grieve all the more since their children find no >resting-place in earth but are devoured by the monsters of the sea. > >That most of the people get sick is not surprising, because in addition >to all other trials and hardships, warm food is only served three times >a week the rations being very poor and very little. Such meals can >hardly be eaten on account of being so unclean. The water which is >served out of the ships is often black, thick, and full or worms, so >that no one can drink it without loathing, even with the greatest >thirst. Toward the end we are compelled to eat the ships biscuit which >had spoiled long ago; though in a whole biscuit there was scarcely a >piece the size of a dollar that had not been full of red worms and >spiders nests. > >At length, when, after a long and tedious voyage, the ships come in >sight of land, so that the promotories can be seen, which people were so >eager and anxious to see, all creep from below on deck to see the land >from afar and they weep for joy, and pray and sing, thanking and >praising god. The sight of the land makes the people on board the ship, >especially the sick and the half dead, alive again, that their hearts >leap within them, they shout and rejoice and are content to bear their >misery in patience, in hope that soon they will reach the land in >safety. But alas. > >When the ships have landed at Philadelphia after their long voyage, no >one is permitted to leave them except those who pay for their passage or >can give good security; the others who cannot pay; must remain on board >the ships till they are purchased and are released from the ships by >their purchasers. the sick always fare worst, for the healthy are >naturally purchased first; and so the sick and wretched must often >remain on board in front of the city for 2 or 3 weeks and frequently >die, whereas many a one , if he could pay his debt and were permitted to >leave the ship immediately, may recover and remain alive. > >The sale of human beings on board the ship is carried out thus. Every >day, Englishmen and Dutchmen and high German people come from the city >of Philadelphia and other places, in part from great distance say 20 30 >or even 40 hours away and go onboard a newly arrived ship that has >brought and offers for sale passengers from Europe, and select among the >healthy persons such as they deem suitable for business, and bargain >with them how long they will serve for their passage money which most of >them are still in debt for. When they have come to an agreement, it >happens that adult persons bind themselves in writing to serve 3, 4, 5, >or 6 years for the amount due by them according to their age and >strength. But very young people from 10 to 15 years must serve till >they are 21 years old. Many parents must sell or trade away their >children like so many head of cattle; for their children take the debt >upon themselves, the parents can leave the ship free and unrestrained; >but as the parents often do not know where and to what people their >children are going, it often happens that such parents and children, >after leaving the ship do not see each other again for many years and >perhaps in all their lives. > >It often happens that entire families husband wife and children are >separated by being sold to different purchasers, especially when they >have not paid any part of their passage money. > >When a husband or wife dies at sea, when the ship has made more than >half of her trip, the survivor must pay or serve not only for himself or >herself but also for the deceased. When both parents have died over >half way at sea, their children, especially when they are young and have >nothing to pawn or pay, must stand for their own and their parents >passage, and serve till they are 21 years old. When one has served his >or her term, he or she is entitled to a new suit of clothes at parting >and if it has been so stipulated, a man gets a horse and a woman, a >cow. When a serf has an opportunity to marry in this country, he or she >must pay for each year which he or she would have yet to serve...5 or 6 >pounds. > > >*~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* >Michael J. Godshalk mailto:godshalk@suntan.eng.usf.edu >2217 Summit View Dr. "Godshalk Family Tree Home Page" >VALRICO, FL 33594-5235 http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk >(813) 681-9481 http://godshalk.webjump.com > My FTM book "The Godshalk History" can be seen at: >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/o/d/Michael-James-Godshalk/ > MY MAILING LISTS: Send me an E-Mail if you'd like to join. > mailto:GODSHALK-L@rootsweb.com > mailto:Stegall_N_Stratton-L@rootsweb.com > mailto:Stegall-L@rootsweb.com > mailto:Stratton-L@rootsweb.com > mailto:starner-family@coollist.com > mailto:hartleb-family@coollist.com > ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ > > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Bridgeport cemetery area and Andrew GUDGEL This came avross the Fayette Co., PA mail list tonight and mentions the old burying grounds in the community of Bridgeport, Fayette Co., PA and also that the land originally was part of Andrew's land patent. Interesting. Linda >Hi Wonderful Fayette! >Ellis' History of Fayette Co. includes a brief description of some of the >cemeteries in Bridgeport. Rees Cadwaller, Jonas Cattell, and Obed Garwood >of Fayette Co. and Amos Hough of Wash. Co. sold land to Samuel Jackson, John >Dixon, and William Dixon of Fayette Co. and Ebenezer Walker of Westmoreland >Co. (trusteees in behalf of Quakers) eight acres of land which had been >patented to Andrew Gudgel June 10, 1788 then sold by him to Rees Cadwaller >on Oct. 18, 1788 and others. On Feb. 29, 1799 Rees Cadwallader sold to the >Friends 3 acres of land in Bridgeport, comprising the Quaker grounds on the >hill, on a part of which the present union school house stands. On this >part was set apart the earliest burial ground of Bridgeport. On this land >the Friends built a stone meeting house. Later it was divided into two so >the Hicksites and the regular congregation could meet in the same building. >When the group began dying off and were reduced the Quakers ceased the >meetings in Bridgeport. They also built the first school house in >Bridgeport. Later William Miller, Eli Cock, and Richard Swan built >residences there and also Bridgeport's Union School House. > >Later, Sophia Boyd married Joseph Wells and bought a home on Prospect St., >Bridgeport, which was part of Rees Cadwaller's plan. (Between 1850-1900) >They are buried in the Bridgeport Cemetery, however, this was not the >original >Quaker burial ground, I believe. I read somewhere (can't locate the source >at this point) that most of the Quaker burial ground was covered over when >the borough built the school. > >As far as the list of names of those buried there, I have never seen it, >although I have a copy of the plot owners names that I got from the >Brownsville Library. >It is in my files and I need to dig for them. > >Sharing, >Rosalie > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >"There is no better exercise for the heart >than reaching down and lifting people up." > > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:26:04 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: German Ancestors Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > This came across the GODSHALK mail list tonight. It sure made me wonder > what hardships our ancestors suffered on their journey to America. > Linda It is true. The white slaves preceeded black slaves. A best book on the subject is "They were white and they were slaves" by Michale Hoffman. From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:24:16 EDT Subject: Heart Surgery To: lesly@cape.com, Homers1999@aol.com, dubaleibell@juno.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Once again Ed Gudgel Fort Myers, FL is fighting back. A brief review: Two years ago Charline & I went to Nashville for EBCT of heart by Imatron high speed imaging. The finding were 0 calcification for Charline This ruled out heart disease for her. My score was 152 calcium one year 172 one year later. This meant A-S of heart for me and future of Coronary disease wt. high probability of MI in 17 months. Initially lipid panel improved on low fat diet. Lipid - lowering drug and high blood pressure medication with regular exercise. In May have this year I developed Angina and shortness of breath while in NewZealand Australia. Two weeks ago I had abnormal EKG findings. AS there are no noninvasive EBCT machines here I had an invasive heart catherization which at the previous Imatron sites of had shown heavy calcification. Now 95% of left anterior descending coronary blocked and significant blockage in 2 other coronaries. I under went triple-by pass heart surgery successfully. 35% of patients develop varios arrthymias and I had this. I was in hospital 8 days am now at home. Early improvement walking twice a day with frequent rest brakes. Believe me any one having a close relative dying should have a EBCT test especially if they are overweigh, have high blood pressure, a lipid profile including total lipids over 200. The tests usually cost $400 and are totally noninvasive, short time, no pain Mayo Clinic now can totally rule out MI if test is normal. My wife's pain were due to reflux and of course not helped by lipd-lowering drugs Love to you all. ED GudgeM.D. Fort Myers Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:28:32 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: EGudgel@aol.com CC: lesly@cape.com, Homers1999@aol.com, dubaleibell@juno.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Heart Surgery  

EGudgel@aol.com wrote:

Once again Ed Gudgel Fort Myers, FL is fighting back.


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Sorry to hear that any Gudgel has problems as you do. Your wife's acid reflux is a bummer.  Kay has Barretts esophagus and suffers a lot from it.  A couple years  ago I was diagnosed with diabetes.  This made me look into  my past history to try to determine why?  Not just because my grandfather died from the effects but what had I done to speed up the onset and the inevitable high blood pressure, cholesterol, heart trouble, blindness and all the symptoms of a system totally out of whack.      I went to all the doctors and hospitals I had been to in the past 12 years and got my blood test records.  By looking at those records it was obvious that I was headed in the direction you are if I didn't do something about it.  Cholesterol running just a little bit high.  Blood sugar up into the diabetes range occasionally but  dumb doctors didn't flat out say I had diabetes.  ( Dr. Gudgel excepted) Back to eating ice cream, fresh bread, vegetable juice and everything that would run my blood sugar who knows how high. I'd go back and the next test would be ok because I fooled it. But when I had abused my body to the point that it gave in  to diabetes I had no choice but to find out what to do about it.
    If people would look back over their eating habits over the past decades they would probably find that these conditions came about because they abused their bodies with the wrong foods.  It is true you are what you eat.   This does not protect, of course, from illnesses from bacteria,  viruses , germs etc.
    In any case, I was fortunate to run into two books that got me started on getting control of my diabetes without medication.  It isn't easy but by eating in such a way that my blood sugar is as normal as possible and I do not create hyperinsulinemia my body is able to control all these other factors where high blood sugar and high insulin  levels can  result in heart trouble, blindness, high blood pressure, obesity, and all these other illnesses. My HMO doctor says I am their star patient.  I am not that easy to please though.  I'd hate to see the condition of their other patients.
    After going to a  way of eating that accomplished the above, my weight came down, my cholesterol risk factor is just great. This with a vigorous exercise program to increase my muscle to fat ratio, I am  feeling the best I have felt in years and  years.
    So unless I drop dead tomorrow and am proved wrong I am in pretty good shape without medication and it's side effects.  I've has some minor surgery lately, that has kept me from my exercise program the past 6 or 8 weeks, and as a result have picked up 8 or 10 pounds.  No doubt unwanted conditions have returned also because of the increased fat. But in a week or so will back to the exercise program that will get the weight down where it should be.

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Doyal Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:00:17 -0400 From: Helen Crossfield To: Gayle Putt , "Gudgel-List@eskimo.com" , "HAPPYWHW@aol.com WHEIDMAN" Subject: vacation Hi, I will be off-line from Jul.30 to Aug.9 Smitty Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:21:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Ed, Smitty, Scott Ed, keep us posted on your improvement on the health of your heart. Smitty, have a nice vacation. And, I was paid a surprise visit at my work by Scott Gudgel, of Scott and Mary fame a couple weeks ago. This is the Scott Gudgel that is the father of Kathy Gudgel who worked with my son, Phillip at the grocery store a little while back. Scott was the one with the grandpa Gudgell (yes, 2 LLs), around the turn of the century and a Monjoy in there somewhere. While he was here, I added him to the mail list. He doesn't have a lot of time, (like lots of us), for email stuff, but at least he should be receiving the gudgel list now. Welcome to the list Scott! Penny and I are having fun with our new house in Everett WA and still moving some boxes around the house. Boy, I love having a garage again! Happy summertime! boB (that's Bob, backward to avoid confusion) Gudgel Everett WA. Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:56:22 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: CD Rom If you have something you would want included in the CD rom I am making up send it to me. Pictures, letters, family histories. Maybe even a song or two. CD's hold up to 650 megs so data. First I will put in everything but the family genealogy. The family genealogy will be put in last in order to get the very latest information on the CD. I am going to need some help if someone has a good accurate family genealogy maybe you would share it with me when the time comes.. I don't think my genealogy is accurate enough at the present that I would want it for permanent record. Doyal G Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:42:34 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Leslie Jancar , gudgell Subject: Re: GUDGEL INFORMATION I presume if you go back two more generations Frederick (Spouse Nell Morgan) is the son of Jacob (Brother of my ancestor) and one more generation William Gudgel the son of old Gudgel we owe our existence to. Just checking to make sure I am correct. Sunil is a girl? Jacob was a Civil war vet. Will get mentioned in my next Newsletter. Do you know what happened to Jacob and Frederick after the war? Any idea how the family got to Hogshooter OK? Wow!. About like Boggy Depot. How did Jacob get to Hogshooter? Would like to be filled in if anyone knows. I'll have to look up where Bartlesville is. (Next to Hogshooter dummie) Doyal Leslie Jancar wrote: > Hello....I am Leslie Gudgel Jancar in Connecticut,,,,, > And the Fred who married Judy is the oldest son of Floyd Gudgel son of > Frederick > > From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:34:12 EDT Subject: Mostly for Mia, & Bartlesville To: ralphj@eskimo.com, ljancar@snet.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Bartlesville is 60 miles North of Tulsa Okla in far NE Okla. Larry When I was in Texoma, i found 2 allen gudgel's buried there. one was the brother of my GGrandfather Calvin Gudgel. The other is a puzzle to me. I will post the dates of birth and death at another time. Also for Mia:-- 1. Do you have the date (and which newspaper) on the Obit for Ning Bell. I was also wondering if you have the obit for his wife?? 2. Do you have the Obit for any of Ning's brothers mentioned in the letter you sent to me saying that Ning was part Indian. I am still trying to find about about which tribe and maybe it will be mentioned in one of Ning's brothers Obits. I checked with the Chickasaw Indian library and did a search and Ning's daughter (Mary) was never registered in the tribe in Oklahoma. I believe they also checked the Choctaw tribe. I will send you more on this later. Thanks Larry Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:22:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Welcome to Lesley GUDGEL JANCAR! Hi Folks- Just wanted to say a big WELCOME to Lesley GUDGEL JANCAR from Connecticut. Not sure when she came on line with the list but it's great to know we are gaining in numbers. Lesley, what line of GUDGEL's are you from? I suppose everyone has been dealing with extreme heat in most of the U.S., just as we have here in central Kentucky. We could sure use some rain. My grass is turning light brown and is crunchy now :( I hope to get back to my research soon. We're moving daughter #2 back to Lexington Sunday for the fall term at the Univ. of KY. She is moving into an apartment this time instead of the dorm. So when we get her settled I'll have more time for sure. BTW, I have been working on our old Andrew's family in the area of Montgomery, Philadelphia and Bucks Co's., PA and trying to get some better information there. Will keep you posted. Hope everyone is having a great summer. Later, Linda from Kentucky From: "William \"Bill\" Webb" Subject: Another Gudgel Wanting to Join Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:30:55 -0500 Hello all, I got a letter from an Arlene Gudgel-Back around the end of June asking me for more info on the Gudgel Family. She lives in the same town as my oldest sister. Somehow they connected and my sister told her about our Gudgel line and gave her my address. She is planning on buying a computer and doing the "email thing" as she phrased it. I called her and told her about the list and that I'd try to help her out. All she knew is that her Father was John Henry Gudgel 1902-1977, Born in Hollis, Ok, raised in Sherman Co, TX and died in Mclean, TX. His father was Clarence Gudgel. Could some one help me out on this line so I can forward the info to her with how to get on the list when she gets her PC? I know she'd appreciate it. Regards, Bill Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:58:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Arlene GUDGEL-BACK's lineage Bill and others- Great news about Arlene going on-line and her interest in the GUDGEL's! I checked my database for her line of descent and am not sure I have the right line...yet! :) I'll need more information. She stated her father was John Henry GUDGEL 1902-1977 b. Hollis, OK, raised in Sherman Co., TX and d. in McClean, TX and his father was Clarence GUDGEL. I didn't find John Henry GUDGEL but I have 2 Clarence GUDGEL's: (1) Clarence GUDGEL b. September 25, 1897 Stratton, Hitchcock Co., NE, d. May 27, 1968 (where?). Marr. Cora Blanche Calvin September 27, 1923 Ravenna, NE. 2 known daughters: Jeannette b. September 24, 1927 and Shirley b. November 25, 1935. This line goes as follows: Clarence GUDGEL John William GUDGEL Frances Marion GUDGEL Andrew GUDGEL John GUDGEL Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. (2) Clarence GUDGEL (no dates) marr. Alta SCHOFIELD (no dates). This line goes as follows: Clarence GUDGEL William Edward GUDGEL 1887-1955 Richland Co., IL William Stephen GUDGEL 1848-1925 Abraham GUDGEL 1814-1880 Abraham GUDGEL 1784-1815 Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. abt. 1727-1815 (Note: I'd love to know more about the line of Abraham GUDGEL 1784-1815) With a little more info. from Arlene I think we could pin this down. This is an example of my concern of the fact we are acquiring so much information in the archives (and that's wonderful!) but we are not organizing it for easy research and retrieval. I have even thought about volunteering at some point to be the one to co-ordinate all of this data into one huge database (remember I said I was only thinking about it!). It would be a huge project to keep up with and it doesn't have to be me-but someone needs to act as a designated person who keeps it organized for easy reference. What is everyone's thoughts on this? I know of other large groups or family associations that do this and it has been a success. Anyway-I'm looking forward to hearing more from Arlene and also encourage others to recruit new people who are interested or have ties to this family. Have a great day everybody. Maybe we will be blessed with some rain soon. Linda from Kentucky Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:47:25 -0700 From: W Gudgel Subject: Clarence Arthur GUDGEL married to Alta SCHOFIELD Re: Linda GUDGEL FINNEL^Òs letter about John Henry GUDGEL the son of Clarence GUDGEL. Specifically # (2) Clarence GUDGEL married to Alta SCHOFIELD. Hello to all my GUDGEL cousins, I am William (Bill) E. GUDGEL of Evansville, IN, the first born and only male of three children that Jesse GUDGEL and June B. TENNEY had. The Clarence GUDGEL, who was married to Alta SCHOFIELD is my Uncle and my Father^Òs Stepbrother. However, he is not the Father of John Henry GUDGEL. I hope the following information on Clarence Arthur GUDGEL will help. Clarence Arthur GUDGEL b. 8 Feb. 1912 d. 28 May 1981 1st Marriage - date unknown - Alta SCHOFIELD Children: William Osborne GUDGEL (lived less than a year) Kenneth GUDGEL (lived approx. 5 years) Ava GUDGEL (do not know if she married, no further info.) Lynette Jo GUDGEL (do not know if she married, rumor is that she still lives around Olney, IL) 2nd Marriage - date unknown - Pauline (Polly) GOINS ... no children between them. Clarence Arthur GUDGEL was born of William (Willie) Edward GUDGEL and Edna May McCOPLIN 1ST Marriage 6 Jan. 1909 Edna May McCOPLIN ? - 25 Feb. 1920 Children: Charles Edward (Ed) GUDGEL 15 Nov. 1909 - May 1974 Clarence Arthur GUDGEL 8 Feb. 1912 - 28 May 1981 Agnes May GUDGEL CONOVER 29 July 1914 - 8 April 1989 2nd Marriage 12 Sept. 1923, Sumner, Richland Co., IL Emma ROBINSON 11 Feb. 1903 - 6 March 1950 Children: Jesse GUDGEL 3 Dec. 1924 - 17 Sep. 1981 (My Father) Leslie GUDGEL 3 Dec. 1924 - 13 Dec. 1924 *** (2) Clarence GUDGEL mar. Alta SCHOFIELD (no dates). This line goes as follows: Clarence Arthur GUDGEL 1912-1981 William Edward GUDGEL 1887-1955 Richland Co., IL William Stephen GUDGEL 1848-1925 Abraham GUDGEL 1814-1880 Abraham GUDGEL 1784-1815 Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. abt. 1727-1815 *** I am still looking for information on the Abraham GUDGEL^Òs: Abraham GUDGEL 1814-1880 Abraham GUDGEL 1784-1815 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:30:45 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: GUDGEL INFORMATION I checked my military records of Jacob and see that he went to and died in Kansas. Later then Frederick and perhaps others went to Oklahoma. The area there where they went is just south. Looks like about 70 or 80 miles. I'll have more on him and his brothers in the Newsletter. Leslie Jancar wrote: > Hello... > I did not have all that info...thank you and I will be checking that out > too. > Sunil is a girl, yes. Not sure how they got to Hogshooter, that's where my > > dad, LeRoy, was born. My check is in the mail......keep the info coming > and if I get any add'l info I will let you know. > Leslie > PS Bartlesville is north of Tulsa, about 70 miles, it is the home of > Phillips > Petroleum. Hogshooter is just down the road apiece....actually have been > through > the area! Check the map for highway 75. > > ---------- > > From: Ralph Johnson > > To: Leslie Jancar ; gudgell > > Subject: Re: GUDGEL INFORMATION > > Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 7:42 PM > > > > I presume if you go back two more generations Frederick (Spouse Nell > Morgan) is > > the son of Jacob (Brother of my ancestor) and one more generation William > Gudgel > > the son of old Gudgel we owe our existence to. Just checking to make > sure I am > > correct. Sunil is a girl? Jacob was a Civil war vet. Will get mentioned > in my > > next Newsletter. Do you know what happened to Jacob and Frederick after > the war? > > Any idea how the family got to Hogshooter OK? Wow!. About like Boggy > Depot. > > How did Jacob get to Hogshooter? Would like to be filled in if anyone > knows. > > I'll have to look up where Bartlesville is. (Next to Hogshooter dummie) > > > > Doyal > > > > Leslie Jancar wrote: > > > > > Hello....I am Leslie Gudgel Jancar in Connecticut,,,,, > > > And the Fred who married Judy is the oldest son of Floyd Gudgel son of > > > Frederick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 09:56:21 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Civil War Vets Following is a list of Gudgels in the Civil War. I am also looking for PICTURES of Civil War Vets. If you have additional names please let me know so I can add them to the list . I have a two or three pictures. I think there is one in gudgel archives on Bob's web page, maybe more. Any others would be much appreciated. From the Indiana State Library Gudgel, Abraham, Co A, 58th Regt. Nativity: Gibson Co., Ind. Gudgel, Andrew, Co A, 58th Regt. Nativity: Gibson Co., Ind. Gudgel, Edward, Co A, 58th Regt. Nativity: Gibson Co., Ind. Gudgel, Jacob, Co A, 58th Regt. Nativity: Gibson Co., Ind. Gudgel, Thomas Co. B, 125th (10th Cavalry), Owensville, Ind. Gudgel, William H. Co. H, 143rd Gibson Co. Ind. Gudgill, Shelby Co. K, H, 67th Regt. Jackson Co., Ind Gudgle, Alexander Co. F, 145th Regt., Jefferson Co., Ind Gudyell, Shelby G. Col H, 24th Regt., Jefferson Co., Ind Gudgel's from Illinois in answer to a request to the Secretary of State. Calvin- Pvt Company H, 148th Ill Infantry, V7, P. 304 John - Private, Company H, 99th Illinois Infantry, V7, P. 531 John - Private, Company K, 148th Illinois Infantry, V7, P. 308 John S. - Private, Co K, 61st Illinois Infantry, V4, P. 238 Joseph - Private, Co. C, 99th Consolidated Illinois Infantry, V5, P. 543 Joseph - Co. H, 99th Illinois Infantry V5, P. 531 Marion, Corporal, Company B, 91st Illinois Infantry,V5, P. 315 Stephen - Private, Company B, 112th Illinois Infantry, V6, P. 153 Thomas - Private Unassigned Recruit, Illinois Infantry, V8, P. 657 William - Private, Co. H, 148th Illinois Infantry, V7, P. 304 Gudgell Henry T. Private, Company F, 28th Illinois Infantry, V6, P. 430 John - Second Lt., Co. B, 112th Ill. Infantry, V6, P 152 John - First Lt., Co. B, 112th Ill. Infantry, V6, P 152 John -Capt., Co. B, 112th Ill. Infantry, V6, P 152 Inquiries to the Military Records of the National Archives obtained the additional name of Gudgels who served in the Union, Army. Gudgel, Alexander Co. F, 145th Regt Inf. Indiana Volunteers Gudgel, William L. Co C, 9th Ill Inf. W C 884-643 National Archinves listed these men from Iowa Gudgell, Benjamin F. Co F. 3rd Iowa Cav. WC 758-326 Gudgel, John D. Co. F, 3rd Iowa Cav SC 246-006 Gudgel, Richard J. Co. F, 3rd Iowa Cav. (Co H. 18th US Inf. Indian Wars) WC 904-836 National Archives list of Gudgel from Missouri Gudgell, Robert C Co. I 11th Mo. Cavalry, Co. K 33rd En. Mo. M.L. WC 642-625 Gudgell, Spencer Co. F 11th Mo. Cavalry, SO 204-797 From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:02:37 EDT Subject: Re: Civil War Vets To: ralphj@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com In a message dated 8/1/99 9:54:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time, ralphj@eskimo.com writes: > Gudgel's from Illinois in answer to a request to the Secretary of State. > > John - Second Lt., Co. B, 112th Ill. Infantry, V6, P 152 > John - First Lt., Co. B, 112th Ill. Infantry, V6, P 152 > John -Capt., Co. B, 112th Ill. Infantry, V6, P 152 Doyal; All three of the above entries are the same person. I have about 25 pages of Civil War military records for the above John Gudgel but have never been able to tie him into the family tree. I have all the data on his enlistment and promotions, etc. Based on the info that I have, he would have been born in 1823 or 1824 (where ?). He enlisted on August 12, 1862, at Bradford, IL. He was promoted several times and was a Captain when he left the service. He was wounded at Utoy Creek, GA on August 06, 1864, and was discharged on March 27, 1865. He died July 29, 1876, in Redwing, MN. He was married to Margaret Gillis who lived in Tikiewa, Bureau Co., IL when she applied for a pension on November 09, 1881. She died on February 16, 1896. He had a daughter, Grace, who was blind and applied for a pension on June 06, 1898, after her mother died. She lived in Tikiewa, Bureau Co., IL when she applied for the pension. Grace was born on October 29, 1858, and died on February 03, 1907. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me where this John fits into the Gudgel line. I have a lot of John's in my data, but this one just doesn't seem to fit. Doyal, if you don't have these military records, let me know and I will copy and send them to you. We are leaving for a couple of weeks, so it would be a while before I could get them off, but would be glad to do it when we get back home. For those of you that know my Uncle Mel and Aunt Pearl "Gudgel" Brokofsky, one of the things we will be doing while we are gone is to go to Uncle Mel's 80th birthday celebration in Grand Island, NE. I would sure appreciate it if anyone could tell me where This John Gudgel fits in the Gudgel line. Dave Gudgel From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:17:57 EDT Subject: Gudgel, John John Gudgel b. 1823 was the son of Mahlon Gudgel b. aft 1796, grandson of Daniel Gudgel d. 1819 Nancy Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Clarence Arthur GUDGEL Hi folks- This is a response to William (Bill) E. GUDGEL's (of Evansville, IN) message on 7/31 re: Clarence Arthur GUDGEL. Thank you for the information of his children. I had very little on him and his was one of 2 Clarence GUDGEL's I had in my files. I have the year of birth of his second wife, Edna May McCOLPIN, as 1890. Do you know where she was born/died? Also birth and death location for any of Clarence's children? In investigating this line further from your information you gave I know who you are now........you had a sister, Nancy Marie GUDGEL SMITH, that I corresponded with about 1993-1994. We corresponded for some time but I never met her. She wrote me a letter (think she found my name/address somewhere) asking about the line of Abraham GUDGEL. We talked several times and wrote many letters exchanging data. When you mentioned Jesse GUDGEL and June TENNY I remembered the names of her parents. She was a beautician and lived in Evansville also. She was so much fun and so excited about this family tree research. She told me about her son, Stephen, and her husband Ira (SMITH) and I remembered she had a brother. Then I didn't hear from her for some time and one day I got a letter (1994) from her husband and he said she had died. I was so upset over that. She was so young and I didn't even know she had been sick. Ira told me that she had really enjoyed working on this family history and that he was going to give her research to her brother, Bill. He said she wasn't sick very long before she passed away. Well, I never heard from him again after that but now I know you are Nancy's brother. Isn't it a small world? I really would liked to have met Nancy. She was so enthusiastic and full of life and always laughing. I still have all of her research notes that she sent me in a special file. BTW, isn't her son's middle name GUDGEL? Seems like I remember that. I hope you don't mind that I have shared this with the list. But it is a part of Nancy that I wanted them to know about. And if she were still with us she'd be right here enjoying every email that was sent! Thank you, Bill, for bringing back some very warm memories of an old friend for me. Linda from Kentucky Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:05:56 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Capt John Gudgel There has been a request for more information on Capt. John Gudgel. d 7/29/1876 We know he enlisted in the 112th Ill volunteers. We also know a Stephen Gudgel also enlisted on the same day. Dale Gudgel of Farragut Idaho told me they were brothers. Pension record applications indentify a Grace Gudgel b 1853 as his blind daughter. The records also identify his wife and widow as Margaret Gillis d 2/16/1896. Except for the daughter there is no record of any other children although there might have been. After John died in 1976 the next record comes from a Pension application from Tiskwila Ill in 1881 Tiskwila is where John enlisted. So Margaret and Grace returned to Ill if they had been with John in Minnesota. Grace was probably taken care of by a D B and Melissa Dawson who signed for her in her application for pension. So there is probably a connection there. Any further information will have to come from Redwing MN or maybe something can be gleaned from Tiskwila which is in Bureau county. My address book at this time does not have a Dale Gudgel of Farragut Idaho. Dale may be on the Gudgel list which I do not have so if you are there Dale perhaps you can give us some more information. I don't have a family connection at this time. Doyal G Doyal From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:41:02 EDT Subject: Re: Another Gudgel Wanting to Join To: william.m.webb@gte.net, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Which Clarence? I believe there were 2 of them. Clarence Ninion Gudgel I believe is the son of Edward Gudgel(son of Calvin and Mary Gudgel) This Clarence went by the name of Bob. There was another Clarence also and I will have to check my records. Larry Gudgel Dayton Ohio From: "William \"Bill\" Webb" To: Subject: Re: Another Gudgel Wanting to Join Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:56:34 -0500 Arlene is apparently unaware of more than one. All she was able to tell me was his name was Clarence. I am preparing to send her a mailing in the next few days with how to get on the list if she has her computer and what is known of her line. Thanks for the help. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Larrgudgel@aol.com To: william.m.webb@gte.net ; Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Another Gudgel Wanting to Join >Which Clarence? >I believe there were 2 of them. >Clarence Ninion Gudgel I believe is the son of Edward Gudgel(son of Calvin >and Mary Gudgel) This Clarence went by the name of Bob. There was another >Clarence also and I will have to check my records. >Larry Gudgel >Dayton Ohio > > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:39:47 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Union Veteran descendants Would appreciate it if any descendants of Union Civil War Veterans would let me know who you are the name of the veteran and where they lived. Any other tidbits would be also appreciated. I would like to know the area in which you live. Have a nice day. Doyal From: mchs@dedot.com Subject: Re: Union Veteran descendants Date: Sun, 15 Aug 99 12:42:02 -0000 To: "Ralph Johnson" , "gudgel list" Dear Doyal: Thanks to Linda Finnel I am a recipient of the Gudgel Email, and through her, solved a long time mystery on my line in the Gudgel Family. I am forwarding as much info as I am able regarding Civil War Veterans in my line: John S. Gudgel, my great grandfather, born May 1846 in Jefferson Co., Ind., on December 29, 1863, age 17, joined for service and enrolled for a term of 3 years at Camp Butler, Illinois by Lt. Col. Ohr. He was mustered into service by Lt. Hubbs at Camp Butler on January 14, 1864-61st infantry, Co. K. He mustered out of service on September 8, 1865 in Lawrence Cp., Il. The Illinois Civil War Servoce re[prt descrobed Kpjm as 5'5" withlight brown hair, blue eyes, and a fair complexion. He was a signle farmer at the timeof his enlistment. John died a yaar after his divorce from Elizabeth. He is buried in Olney City Cemetery, Richmond., Il. >From History of Edwards, Lawrence and Wabash Co., Il, pg. 352: John S. Gudgel and Melinda Harrold appeared in Twp 4, North Range 13 West Post Office was Sumn er Il. He was a Farmer and settled in Il. about 1859. At his death he was survived by Mrs. Mode Stivers, Urbana;a Mrs. James Dishon and Ira Gudgel of Claremong, Bert Gudgel (my Grandfather) of Calhoun, Ella of Rt. 8, Olney: two brothers James and William. John S. was a Civil Wat Vet-Pvt., 61st Infantry Regt/ Co. K. My Great Grandfather on my Grandmothers side May Elizabeth Pritchards's father (she was married to Bert Gudgel) was also in the Union Army and in the confederate prison at Andersonville where he died of tyhpous. I do not have his name, and very little knowledge on the Pritchard side of the family. I do, however, have his belt buck from the Civil War and the pocket watch that he carried during that time. (THANK YOU TO LINDA FINNEL FOR ALL OF THE ABOVE INFORMATION OF WHICH SHE SENT TO ME!!) John Bert Gudgel Salinas, California Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: WELCOME TO JOHN BERT GUDGEL, Salinas, CA Hi folks- Not sure if I missed a previous email for John Bert GUDGEL of Salina's CA but we're sure glad your here, John. It's nice to know some of the California GUDGEL's are interested in their roots from back home :) Thank you for your kind words about the information I sent you. Nothing pleases me more than to feel I have helped or guided a GUDGEL descendant to find their roots. For those who don't know, John is a descendant of Abraham GUDGEL and Elizabeth HARBISON. I know several of you are descended from this line also (especially John GUDGEL and Melinda HARROLD's line)- so maybe some of you can fill him in where he needs information. BTW, John- thank you for the data you sent me. I need a couple of things more and that should get me up to date. I need your date of birth in Indianapolis, IN and also the date of birth for your wife, Mona, and where she was born. Also- Bert Allen GUDGEL's sister, Rosella: Is she buried in Amity Cemetery or Haven Hills Cemetery, Richland Co., IL? I also have conflicting information on her date of death. One souce says 1962 and one says November 17, 1918. ?? And is this the Ella (Rosella) that married Mode STIVERS? I'm sorry I haven't been around much lately. Seems we are all taking a break. Actually I've have been under the weather this whole last week. I was working in my flowers (and weeds!) last Saturday and was bitten by something on my wrist (spider?). Well, my arm has been swollen, flu like symptoms, body aches, headaches and by Tuesday my face broke out in hives-Kept thinking it would get better-not so. By yesterday (Saturday) I figured I'd better go to the doctor. Sure nuff-I did get in as an emergency-some kind of insect bite plus the contact dermatitis on the face.....must have run my hand across my face while working ??--put me on predisnone for several days so I'll be okay. Looks better already. I was a sight. Guess I'd better stay out of the weeds/flowers for a while or wear gloves. Don't want this again ever! Kentucky is still very dry. Maybe rain by the weekend they say. Let's hear from some of you guys. We'll all get going again before long. It's like this every year for me when I can spend more time outdoors. Take care, Hugs to everybody. Linda from Kentucky From: mchs@dedot.com Subject: Re: WELCOME TO JOHN BERT GUDGEL, Salinas, CA Date: Sun, 15 Aug 99 20:32:28 -0000 To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Linda: So sorry to hear you have been down and out. My wife is extremely allergic to bee stings, and sensitive to spider bites, so we truly can appreciate how you felt. So glad you are feeling better. Anyway....... Here is the rest of the story....I was borne 7/10/41 in Indianapolis Indiana. Mona Rae Buchert Gudgel, my wife, was born in Denver Colorada, 1/26/41. I did not follow in my Father's footsteps and become a Chiropractor, instead I graduated from Cal Poly located in San Luis Obispo California in Soil Science and pursued a career in agriculture. My wife and I will have been married 39 years the 3 of September. We were highschool sweethearts, and have known each other since we were both in 7th grade. We were married the beginning of my second year in college, September 3, 1960 and had our daughter my last year in college. She was the first baby ever taken to a college class because of the babysitter becoming ill! We had a wonderful visit with my Aunt Lucille a couple of weeks ago. I do wish you could meet her...she is a ball of fire, a dynamite lady. Anyway the other questions we will have to check with Lucille. She has such a wealth of information for all of us. I am so happy to have made contact with other Gudgel family members, and linda, I hope this adds to your continuing gathering of family information... John Bert Gudgel Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gudgel dirt John, Good to see you made it onto the list! So I see... >>instead I graduated from Cal Poly located in San Luis >>Obispo California in Soil Science and pursued a career in agriculture. You might just be able to tell me (us) something more about the Gudgel soil series... http://www.statlab.iastate.edu/soils-info/osd/dat/G/GUDGEL.html Thanks, boB Gudgel Seattle, WA From: mchs@dedot.com Subject: Re: Gudgel dirt Date: Mon, 16 Aug 99 15:16:18 -0000 Dear Bob: I must stand corrected, in error I typed soil science, which was one of my main courses, but majored in crop science. Anyway, just what kind of dirt are you interested in? If you are interested in agriculture in the Salinas Valley I would be more than happy to assist you. Please advise. John Gudgel Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:25:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Abraham GUDGEL, son of Andrew, Sr. Hi Gang- I am really trying to catch up some of my stacks and also to transfer notes I had entered in my Brother's Keeper software that didn't transfer when I switched to Family Tree Maker some time ago. It left me having to look for data in 2 places. So as of tonight I am nearly finished with one line (Abraham). It will take a long time I'm sure but at least I have started. In all the data that we've submitted I don't think any one has ever entered this Indenture between William Graham and Andrew GUDGEL, and his son, Abram (Abraham). Abraham was going to be apprenticed out to Mr. Graham to learn the Blacksmith trade. I wonder if he eventually became a blacksmith by trade? His three years would have been up in April, 1806 and he married Elizabeth HARBISON July 12, 1808 in Woodford Co., KY. Does anyone know if Abraham had other children besides one son known to me to be also named Abraham (1820-1880)? This son Abraham was born in Clark Co., IN and died in Lawrence Co., IL. I feel sure he was responsible for most of the GUDGEL descendants in IL. Linda Note: Lots of run on sentences and hardly any punctuation was used. ************************************************************************ Woodford County, Kentucky Deed Book C-2, page 563 THIS INDENTURE made this day and entered into between William Graham, gunsmith of Franklin County, the one part and Andrew GUDGEL, farmer, and his son Abram, both of Woodford County, the other part. WITNESSETH, that said Graham has Consentibly and firmly agreed with the said Andrew GUDGEL and Abram his son (Seventeen years old 26 day of last January) To take his son the said Abram three years an Apprentice to the Blacksmith Business the said Graham his part is make use of his best Endeavored Understanding to Instruct the said Abram in all his art or mistery in the Said Business he is to furnish him with good sufficient ____ home Cloathing washing and lodging and to give him the said Abram at the end or during the term of said Three years 42 1/2 Dollars in Cash or property he the said Abram may Choose. For all which as above ritten the said Abram on his part is to make use of his best Endeavors and understanding to learn and understand the art or nusiness he is to be attentive and industrious in said business he is to be obedient and Careful and to do the Best he can for the good and benfit of his said teacher during the said three years and to adopt the whole of the said working days on time fully to his said Master or teachers directions except the half of each Saturday he is to have to himself and make use of in any lawful or liable compliment that he may think proper for his own benifit he the said Abram is not to make any marriage Contract or any other bargain of Considerable Consiquence during the said time without the express ____ liberty of his said instructor and his Father. Given under our hands and seals this 9th day of April, 1803. (Signed) William Graham Andrew GUDGEL Woodford County, towit April 9, 1803 THIS INDENTURE was this day before me in my office acknowledged by the said William Graham and Andrew GUDGEL to be their act and deed duly admitted to record--- Teste G. Brooke, CC From: Bob Gudgel Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gudgel mail list hits 50 Well Gudgels and Gudgelites, the Gudgel mail list just hit FIFTY on the number of subscribers with the addition of Duba Desowitz-Leibell ! Congratulations Duba on being the 50th! Bob From: "M. Wingert" Subject: Re: Gudgel prisoners I have been recently told that there were 4 Gudgel's in CW. 2 brothers with 2 cousins. Apparently the 2 brotherss were captured and sent toAndersonville prison. 1 died the other was released and returnrd home. I have no clue to what their given names were, except a guess and which ones were there. I " think" names were: John, William, John L, and maybe Andrew. Does anyone know where I can access a list of prisoners , both deceased and discharged? Thanks for any help. Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Abraham GUDGEL, son of Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. Hi gang- I'm still working on old Abraham and since I have all these documents that I have needed to transcribe and enter into my Family Tree Maker program I might as well submit them to the list as I go (I have to admit that I only learned how to copy, cut and paste in the last year so I'm using those talents for this-it's pretty neat!). Please note the variation of the spelling of the last name. They spelled it however it sounded and apparently Abraham signed with his "mark" so maybe he didn't know either. BTW-Thanks Bob, for letting us know we have hit the big "5-0" on the mail list. That's great news! More later, Linda ************************************************************************ WILL OF ABRAHAM GUDGEL 16TH Day of October, 1888, Richland Co., IL October 16, 1880-December Term, 1880 IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. I Abraham GUDEL of the town of Claremont in the county of Richland and state of Illinois. Of the age of sixty six years and being of sound mind and memory do make and publish and declare this my last Will and testament in manner following. That is to say. First I give and bequeath to my wife, Anna E. GUDEL all of my Real Estate to be accepted and received by her in lieu of dower. and to my son, John S. GUDEL the sum of ten Dollars, to William S. GUDEL the sum of ten Dollars, to James F. GUDEL the sum of ten Dollars and to my daughters Permelia E. Reichel the sum of ten Dollars and to Sarah Jane Seabright the sum of ten Dollars, and to Ester Ann Waingert the sum of ten Dollars and to Mary E. Burch the sum of ten Dollars, and to ____ Ellen Jones the sum of ten Dollars. and lastly I give and bequeath all the rest residue and remainder of my personal estate, goods and chattels of what nature or kind soever, to my wife Anna E. GUDEL, whom I hereby appoint Sole Executrix of this my last Will and Testament, hereby revoking all former Wills by me made. Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 16th day of October in the year of our Lord one Thousand and Eight Hundred and Eighty. his Abraham X GUDLE (Seal) mark Geo. W. Warren, Witness The above instrument consisting of one sheet was at the date thereof signed, sealed, published and declared by the said Abraham GUDEL as and for his last Will and testament in the presence of us, who at his request and in his presence and in the presence of each other, has subscribed our names as witnesses thereto. John M. Richey Caleb Merritt, town of Clearmont, Co. of Richland. John A. Rayburn, town of Claremont, Co., of Richland. **************************************************************************** ************************************* STATE OF ILLINOIS, Richland Co. In the County Court of said County. In probate, December Term, A.D. 1880 Personally appeared in open Court, John M. Richey and Caleb Merritt, subscribing witnesses to the foregoing instrument of writing, purporting to be the Last Will and Testament of Abraham GUDGLE, late of Richland Co., deceased, who being duly sworn according to law, do depose and say, each for himself, that they subscribed their names to the foregoing instrument as the attesting witnesses at the request of the said Testator and in his presence and in the presence of each other, on the 16th day of October A.D. 1880 That he then and there subscribed his name thereto in our presence, and declared the same to be his Last Will and Testament, and that the said Testator at the time of executing the same as aforesaid was of full age, of sound mind and memory and under no constraint. Subscribed and sworn to in open Court this 20th day of Decr., A.D. 1880. W.T. Shelby, County Clerk John M. Richey Caleb Merritt Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:23:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL Ancestors in Illinois Okay folks- I need you to check your information on your Illinois GUDGEL's: I have some data sent to me some time ago by Mary Wingert of Olney, Illinois (Thanks again Mary if you're on the list!) and I need help in identifying some of these people. These are the ones I can't identify or have conflicting information: Early Marriages-Richland Co., IL., Volume I 1840-1899 by Lula B. Taylor pg. 91 William BIRD to Mary E. GUDGEL 6 June 1873 by John B. Gundy, JP pg. 109 Issac F. Jones to Martha GUDGELL 1 Feb. 1877 by J.T. Crawford, MG page 89 William GUDGEL to Elizabeth BIRCH (I had Elizabeth BIRD?) 2 Feb., 1873 by John B. Gundy, JP That's all for tonight, Linda Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:43:15 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Notice There seems to be several new people on the list who might not know about the hard copy newsletter coming out next month. It is being published 4 times a year and will cover subjects mainly for the non expert Gudgel in genealogy. One purpose is to encourage those who do not have access to the gudgel-list to participate in Gudgel genealogy in the Newsletter. It may also tap into a source of information that we on the web do not have available. Hopefully every level of expertise will enjoy the letter. I also would like contributions by anyone who thinks they have an interesting story. Even current news of the Gudgels is welcome. We need a little me of that. Births and deaths is wanted. Obituaries are fine. We have an important election in KY that will be of interest. Judge Paul Gudgel is running for Chief Justice of the Court of Appeals. As the election is in Nov. I suppose this will have to wait for the next issue. I will also have announcement of the gudgel reunion in Chowchilla. I'll post it here too but this later. This issue will include articles on Union Veterans of the Civil War. Gudgel history in Kentucky. And more of Opal's story of the migration. If you know of a Gudgel who doesn't feel they can afford the $18 let me know and I will see that they get a copy. Some of our cousins have made an extra contribution for this purpose. Send their name to me Doyal gudgel PO Box 313 Mountlake Terrace WA 98043-0313 I have a number of copies left over of the second edition for anyone who wants it. I don't have any left of the first issue but could print one up if you wanted it badly enough. Doyal Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:31:25 -0700 From: W Gudgel Subject: Unidentified subject! Hi Linda, Glad to hear you are doing better and expect a complete recovery. I hadn't seen you on the list for quite some time and was beginning to wonder what had happened. Again, glad you are doing well. Take care of yourself. Shalom, Bill Gudgel Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:50:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY-WHY DO WE SEARCH FOR OUR ROOTS? Kind of like "food for thought". Enjoy. Linda In all of us there is a hunger, marrow deep, to know our heritage- to know who we are and where we have come from. Without this enriching knowledge, there is a hollow yearning. No matter what our attainments in life, There is still a vacuum, an emptiness, and the most disquieting loneliness. -Alex Haley Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:50:39 -0400 (EDT) To: mchs@dedot.com From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Earl(a) GUDGEL John- I know we discussed the name of Earl(a) GUDGEL and wanted you to know I ran across a copy of his death certificate. Information is as follows: Earl Alma GUDGEL-male, white, married. Residence: 1302 E. Main St., Olney, IL Date of Death: June 18, 1954 Olney, Richland Co., IL Place of Death: Richland Memorial Hospital Date of Birth: December 29, 1887, age at death: 66 Birthplace: Illinois Occupation: Retired. Worked: Int. Shoe Factory Father's Name: John F. GUDGEL Mother's Name: Matilda MARPOLE Social Security #: 342-09-0302 Was never in the armed forces. Informant: Ira L. GUDGEL, 1302 E. Main, Olney, IL. (wife) Cause of death: Uremic Poisoning Antecedent Causes: Chronic Nephritis Interval between onset and death: 1 month Autopsy: No Funeral Home: Olney Funeral Home Interment: Haven Hill Cemetery, Olney, IL So it looks like they gave his name as Earl instead of Earla (or at least his wife informed them of that. You need to contact Mary Wingert who is also on the list. This copy came from Mary several years ago and I am sure you two can connect information. She lives in Olney. Wanted everyone to know it rained about 15 drops here in Kentucky today. Big let-down. But the wind was nice. The storm apparently went around us. Maybe tomorrow. That's all for now. Linda From: mchs@dedot.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 99 22:15:41 -0000 To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Dear Linda: Again, thank you. It is just amazing to me the information if you have come up with. Yes, I will try to contact Mary Wingert. I truly hope you get rain real soon. I sympathize with you.. Have been there and done that. John Gudgel From: mchs@dedot.com Subject: Re: Earl(a) GUDGEL Date: Thu, 19 Aug 99 22:42:27 -0000 To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Linda: Just pulled the genealogy information you sent, and a little confused. Earl (Earla) Mother's name on the genealogy list gives his mother's name as Melinda Harrold, on the death certificate it has Matilda Marpole. Being new at this do I change the name on genealogy list, or wait until further information comes in. Again, thank you for all of your time. Loved the poem you sent! John Bert Gudgel Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:52:59 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Thought for the day You can choose your friends but you can't choose your ancestors. Doyal g Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:45:57 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Book review of an experience of mine This book review sums up my experience during the thirties when I experienced it. I was 15 at the time. It is not my experience but I did the things and more recounted by the author except for the girls mentioned. I never saw any of them. I don't think it is worth saving in genealogy but worth reading for fun. Maybe some day I can write my actual experience. I hope to read the actual book soon. Doyal http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1575000377/o/qid=935249410/sr=2-1/002-7621254-4839058 (SNIPPED BECAUSE IT WAS IN HTML FORMAT> From: mchs@dedot.com Subject: Re: Book review of an experience of mine Date: Sat, 21 Aug 99 12:14:33 -0000 To: "Ralph Johnson" , Thank you for your latest. It brought back many memories of my father. Many a time he would become nostalgic and tell wonderful stories about the 30's. However, now mind you have not read the book you suggest, but will, he did have a few tales to tell about the "girlies." I believe any stories of youth, experiences, must be written for those are the stories that are passed down from generation to generation making our heritage so real. John Gudgel Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:03:25 -0700 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: More Illinois death certificates I guess I am going to bore you people to death on this data of Illinois GUDGEL's but they are things that need to be sent so that they will appear on the archives for others to read at some point. Illinois seems to be the area where we are lacking information on the ancestors who left KY and Indiana and went to Illinois and Missouri and then further west, or at least that appears where I have the most breaks in my lines of searching. William Stephen GUDGEL Length of residence where death occured: 37 years. Male, white, married. Date of Death: July 4, 1925 Date of Birth: December 1, 1848 Age: 76 years, 7 months, 4 days Place of Death: Richland Co., IL Spouse: Melissa C. GUDGEL Occupation: Farmer (self-employed) Birthplace: Madison, IN (note: that's Jefferson Co., IN) Maiden name of mother: Anna BURCH, born : IN Name of Father: Abraham GUDGEL, born: IN Cause of death: Myocarditis-chronic from History Informant: William E. GUDGEL, Sumner, IL Buried: Mt. Pleasant Cemetery That's all for now, Linda From: Larrgudgel@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:05:57 EDT Subject: Re: Book review of an experience of mine To: mchs@dedot.com, ralphj@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com My Dad was born in 1917 and grew up in Western Okla and North Texas. I asked him several years ago when I was in High School what he remembers about the Greaqt depression. He would have been a teenager then. He said that it did not effect them that much. They were farmers in Western Okla (Dust Bowl) and they did not have much money before the depression and not much during either. They raised all they needed. My father, (Olen Dee Gudgel-Son of Lewis Allen Gudgel and Grandson of Calvin Gudgel) was a great tease. He like to joke around and have fun. When he was younger he was quite a horse trader. Once he told me that he wound up having a horse that was so mean that you could not get in the saddle. So one day He had his brother (Luther) bite him on the ear (The horse, not my dad's ear) so he could get in the saddle and ride the horse. When Uncle Luthe let go the horse started bucking and dad put him in a full run. They lived NE of Gracemont Okla and it was about 11 miles to Anadarko where they had a weekly livestock auction. Dad rode him as hard as he could all the 11 miles. When he got there, dad said a guy asked him if he could ride him and was he gentle. Dad told him to judge for himself and let him have the rein. The poor "mean" old horse was so tired that the guy rode him around and just bought him on the spot. Dad said he bet he did not get on him the next morning so easy. Larry Gudgel Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:34:34 -0700 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Horse Tales Larry- I loved your tale about your Dad and the spirited horse. My being from horse country makes it even more enjoyable. These are the kind of stories we need to be hearing from everyone. Everyone surely has a special story handed down by some of their family. Thanks again. Linda From: mchs@dedot.com Subject: Re: Book review of an experience of mine Date: Sat, 21 Aug 99 22:50:32 -0000 To: , , Larry: Great story! I have ran a copy for my collection. I will try and remember a few that I was told and pass on. John Bert Gudgel From: mchs@dedot.com Subject: Re: More Illinois death certificates Date: Sat, 21 Aug 99 22:54:28 -0000 To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Linda: That's okay, keep boring all of us! It is great. May have to get a new printer when all is said and done (ha). John Gudgel From: "M. Wingert" Subject: to Linda re: marriages in Richland Co Il Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:26:20 -0500 Marriages from Early marriages -Richland Co. Il Vol I 1840-1899 by Lulu B Taylor pg 91 William Bird to Mary E Gudgel 6 June 1873 by Jacob Beaird JP pg 109 Issac F Jones to Martha Gudgell 1 Feb 1877 by JT Crawford MG pg 109 James F Gudgel to Melissa C Ferran 22Feb 1877 by JT Crawford MG pg 64 John S Gudgel to Malinda Harrole 25 Feb 1868 by John S Gondz JP pg 89 William Gudgel to Elizabeth Birch 2 Feb 1873 by John B Gundy JP pg 140 Wm S Gudgell to Malissa C Rictor 11 Sept 1882 by JP Edmonds MG pg 188 Dan Heath to Emma M Gudgel 4 June 1893 by John Hanes JP pg 196 John Heath to Minnie Etta Gudgel 30 March 1895 by C Nash MG Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:47:22 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: You may want to add this to your file This source may have some information for you on Gudgels who moved to Merced county. Chowchilla is in Merced conty Doyal http://www.rootsweb.com/~camcgs/lookups.htm s.htm Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:00:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: More GUDGEL Death Certs for Illinois This is the last one I think ;-) I think it is odd that this gentleman died at the Anna State Hospital in Union, Richland Co., IL after a stay of 7 years. His death certificate states he was married but no wife is named. The form doesn't ask for spouse information but usually if they are living they are listed as informant. In this case he apparently died in a state hospital and the hospital records staff and the doctor supplied the information. If his wife was deceased it should have stated he was a widower. In my database I have him listed as married to Dessie PLUMLEY December 12, 1909 in Clay or Richland Co., IL. (Marriage location wasn't clear). I have no other information on Dessie. Anyone know about this Lawrence GUDGEL or can you tell us about Anna State Hospital in Richland Co., IL? Linda DEATH CERTIFICATE INFORMATION: Name: Lawrence GUDGEL male, white, married Date of Death: August 21, 1963 Place of Death: Union, Richland Co., IL-Anna State Hospital (length of stay: 7 years). Residence: Olney RFD Occupation: Carpenter (House Carpenter) Date of Birth: November 14, 1884 Birthplace: Richland Co., IL Age at death: 78 years Father's name: James GUDGEL Mother's name: Malice FARRAR Social Security #: 342-12-4411 Informant: V. Karr McKee, M.D., Anna, IL: Relationship: Hospital Rec. Cause of Death: Acute Coronary Thrombosis Interment: Leach Cemetery, Lawrence Co., IL (McCarty Funeral Home). From: "M. Wingert" To: Subject: JSG Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:52:52 -0500 Obit: John S Gudgel aged 67 yrs, a veteran of the civil war, died 5 October 1913. He is survived by the following children: Mrs Mode Stivers of Urbana, Mrs James Dishon and Ira Gudgel of Claremont. Bert Gudgel of Calhoun & Ella of RR 8 Olney. 2 brothers, James & William. Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:04:15 -0700 Subject: Making an Audio memory for your loved ones. From: W Gudgel >From Bill Gudgel in Evansville, IN Hello to all of my GUDGEL cousins, I found an article in my files that I had saved. I think everyone will find the concept interesting. Especially as a family keepsake of your parents and for your children. When I read the following article I was deeply choked up. I couldn't help remembering how when I was stationed in Okinawa with the US Marine Corps our family would send audio cassette tapes to each other. It was great to hear voices of loved ones that were too far away to afford a phone call to. The said part is, I can't find any of those tapes now. When my Father died a few years back I accidently found a copy of a tape that he had recorded at church. His voice was on the beginning of the tape, identifying the contents of the tape. That tape contains the only recording I have of my Father's voice. Now I really miss and wish I could find those tapes. That is why I would like to make the following suggestion to all of my GUDGEL cousins. Make an audio tape for your loved ones to have after you are gone. Make it personal, tell them about something that will be special to them so that the individual getting the tape will have a personal keepsake treasure. Make a new one at least every five years. It doesn't have to be long, in fact you will probably be surprised at how much you can say in 15 minutes. IDEAS: Remeber Opal GUDGEL's story about the GUDGEL migration from Oklahoma. It was great reading but could you imagine how his children would have enjoyed listening to their father's voice on cassette as he related that story to them? Imagine how you would enjoy an audio cassette of some of your Father's exploits while he was growing up or when he was in the military. Don't forget Mom, She has plenty of great memroies to share too. Here is the article I refered to. *** "Grandaddy Tapes" Thirteen years ago, when our oldest daughter, Joy, was 18 months old, my parents and I began trading cassette tapes of our day-to-day activities to save money on lengthy phone calls. One night, as I put joy to bed, she insisted on hearing her granddaddy again. She fell asleep listening to the most recent tape. The next night, the same thing happened. When I told my Dad about Joy's new activity, he saw an opportunity to have a significant part in the lives of his out-of-town grandchildren. Soon, he was sending tapes to each child, complete with accounts of what he had done that day and stories from children's library books. When one of my daughters was in the Mrs. Piggle Wiggle stage, he recorded an entire tape of those stories for her. When one of my sons was having difficulties going to bed each evening, Dad made a tape specially for that problem. He started the tape by telling my son to "lie down and don't fuss. Just listen to Granddaddy." Then between stories, he'd say soothing things. After a few nights of this tape, our son went to bed peacefully. When our second son was born, Dad sent him a tape of family stories and songs recorded just for him. Today, we have a library of several dozen tapes - ranging from Bible stories to Dr. Seuss to Brer Rabbit - that dad has sent over the years. I now have two teenagers, in addition to the 4 and 5 year olds, but they still listen to their old favorites when they're home sick. Granddaddy's rendition of the Tar Baby story still makes us laugh. And to think that someday my grandchildren will laugh at the same story when they listen to their great grandfathers's voice. Copied from an issue of "Focus on the Family" magazine ... written by Diane Rawlings. *** If you are thinking of making a Video tape, be sure to make the audio also as the audio will last longer. Video begins to degrade in about 7-8 years and in 10-15 is sometimes unrecognizable. I learned this when I was working as a Certified Court Videographer and while writing my book "How To Videotape Or Photograph Your Home Inventory" (for insurance claims). However, if you can create a digital video it should last as long as the media you have stored it on. You could make a video and then copy the audio only portion to a cassette tape. Whatever you decide, "Good luck with your audio family keepsake". ___________________________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:09:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Audio memory tapes Bill- What a wonderful idea about making the tapes for your family members in the future! I'd love to hear my Dad's voice again. Linda Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: WHO IS MATTIE ELIZABETH POSEY GUDGEL? Hello to all my GUDGEL cousins. Before I get into this question let me say that my area of Kentucky finally had about an inch of rain this week!!!!! We're about 7 inches behind normal rainfall but hey.....we'll take it! It's better than none. And it did seem to lift all our spirits too. We haven't been this dry for many years and the ground was just like a sponge. Now on to my question..... Several years ago I got an email from Ann Kelly of Murfreesbpro, Tennessee. She was researching her POSEY line and had a John Posey who had a daughter Mattie Elizabeth, who married a GUDGEL. She was trying to track down this GUDGEL that Mattie married. We did know that Mattie and a sister were both buried in Mt. Olivet Cemetery, Nashville, TN. This was a first for me as far as any GUDGEL in Tennessee. So we have both kept a mental note about this POSEY/GUDGEL connection in case we ran across something. So in today's mail I received copies of several death certificates, including one for Mattie Elizabeth POSEY GUDGEL. Here is the info: MATTIE ELIZABETH GUDGEL Female, white, widowed Date of Birth: May 15, (no year given!) Birthplace: Indiana Age: (no age given!) Occupation: Housewife name/birthplace of Father: John POSEY-Indiana name/birthplace of Mother: Samantha Lafayette ADAMS-Kentucky Date of Death: Jan. 23, 1914 Place of Death: Nashville, Davidson Co., TN Cause of Death: Cardiac Dropsy (sick about 1 year) Contributory: Organic Heart Disease Physician: (Bate?) Dozier Informant: Mrs. W.B. SHEARON Place of Burial: Mt. Olivet Cemetery, Nashville, TN Undertaker: Wiles Bros. and Co. >From Ann Kelly I am told that she is buried next to her sister, Sadie Augusta MYERS and that the burial lot was purchased a long time ago by a John POSEY. This may have been her father or a brother. Mattie's death cert. above says she was born in Indiana. Her sister's death cert. says she was born in Jeffersonville, KY. I think this is wrong because I think Jeffersonville is across the river from Louisville, KY and is actually in Indiana. Does anyone know? Does anyone know what county Jeffersonville, IN is in? Oh, BTW, Ann says that Mattie's father was from Henderson, KY. (And this brings to mind 2 things: (1) Henderson, KY is across the river from Posey Co., IN and not far from Gibson Co., IN where our old Andrew was and (2) Hnederson Co., KY is also where my elusive Joel GUDGEL went when he left Anderson Co., KY (Joel was the son of Jacob GUDGEL and Drucilla DRISKELL). There must be a connection here somewhere! . All comments or suggestions are welcome. We may not be able to figure this out just yet but at least we will have this information if the name Posey ever comes up :) So many GUDGEL's and where do they fit . Linda- from not as dry as it was, Kentucky ! Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:21:21 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Audio memory tapes I was doing the same thing about 30 years ago. Referring to Opals story I interviewed him one time in Seattle. About 30 years ago I think. I also interviewed my father and some of his other brothers besides Opal. I think I gave them to Dianne Holmes. I have motion pictures taken over sixty years ago. Unfortunately of just myself that long ago no other Gudgels. Some of Dianne when she was a baby. I wont say how long. You can look it up though. Ha What happened to the picture of the Civil War Gudgel whose picture was taken in New Orleans at the end of the war? I thought it was on Bob's web page. I couldn't find it though. Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > Bill- > What a wonderful idea about making the tapes for your family members in the > future! I'd love to hear my Dad's voice again. > > Linda > > From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:31:54 EDT Subject: Jeffersonville Linda; There are a whole bunch of Jeffersonvilles in the US. At least eleven that I could find. There are one each in Indiana and Kentucky. The one in Indiana is in Clark County and the one in Kentucky is in Jessamine County. I don't have any Posey's in my files, so no help there. Dave Gudgel Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:35:56 -0800 From: Dianne To: W Gudgel Subject: Re: Making an Audio memory for your loved ones. Thanks to Bill in Evansville, IN for another nudge to help us make those all important audio tapes (and video) of our family. I am glad you added, Bill, the part about the preservation of the media. Audio tapes also go bad and as an oral historial myself, I urge you all to try to rewind each important tape once a year, or at least move the tape off the place it stopped at. Then every 5-7 yrs or maybe 10 if you are lucky, make a good quality duplicate. Each year the technology gets better so sometime soon we may find this unnecessary. Always buy audio tapes with little screws in the corners so you can open the tape to repair it when it breaks. Unfortunately my father-in-law did not give us that type of tape and the other month when I tried to re-copy it (after many years), the tape broke on the original. I hope I got it copied completely before it broke, but I have no way of knowing unless I repair the original and compare it. Perhaps we can have updates occasionally by technologically astute list members who are researching the latest in audio and video preservation techniques? That would be helpful. I only know a few things about audio tape and I am sure there is loads more on the forefront that I am not aware of yet. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage From: mchs@dedot.com Subject: Re: Making an Audio memory for your loved ones. Date: Sat, 28 Aug 99 14:43:33 -0000 To: , "W Gudgel" I think in the near future, if not already available, the safest way to keep video and audio tapes is to have them transferred to CD's. CD's will withstand almost anything and wouldn't tend to break, etc. I know that a lot of records are being digitalized (put on CDs) in the colleges, etc. and museums are scrambling for grants to do the same with their records. So, if anyone out there has any knowledge on digitalizing it would be most welcome. Mona Gudgel and John B. Gudgel Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:59:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Divorce. Hi folks- I have often wondered about divorces in the earliest days of America. I remember running upon a GUDGEL who divorced in an era when I didn;t know there was such a things recognized by law. Well, new to me..... here's some information from another mail list about the very topic. Linda >To: "macbd1" >From: Linda Gudgel Finnell >Subject: Re: Divorce. > >At 12:24 PM 8/31/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Marital divorce records are complicated to research, according to "The >>Source, A Guidebook of American Genealogy." Divorce was common in early >>America as the colonists reacted against the severe divorce tradition >>inherited from England. (England's divorce procedure, at the time of >>America's founding, was expensive, time consuming, against Anglican law, and >>frowned upon socially -- where adultery was the only recognized cause, >>requiring three trials and extensive processes; annulment from the Church of >>England was the preferred alternative.) American colonists were not anxious >>to establish ecclesiastical courts, and being left without English >>precedent, state laws of various types resulted. >> >>In Pennsylvania, the colony or state for your question, divorce proceedings >>were handled by the Governor and his Royal Council until 1773 (the council >>could and did veto), when British Parliament forbade royal governors in >>America to grant divorce. The state legislative assembly granted all >>divorces from 1776-1785, the state Supreme Court from 1785-1804, and by >>Court of Common Pleas since 1804. >> >>With variations in states' divorce laws, some traveled to states not their >>own to obtain a divorce decree. "After the Civil War, the frontier was >>often the most practical resolution to a bad marriage. Earlier this had >>been true of immigration to the New World as well. A ride into the sunset >>by one or both parties was easier and less expensive than petitioning for a >>legislative divorce. Numerous examples of runaway spouses can be found by >>reading the ads in early newspapers..." >> >>An on-line version of "The Source" can be found at: >>http://www.ancestry.com/home/source/srcindex.htm . This is a good study >>source, or for answering many questions. >> >>Neil McDonald >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Frances Deak <106012.734@compuserve.com> >>To: PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com >>Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 9:40 AM >>Subject: Divorce. >> >> >>>Is there such a thing as divorce in the late 1700's in Pennsylvania or did >>>one just "move west"? >>> >>>Would just a church ceremony and not a license make a difference? Could >>>there be a mutual agreement to cancel/divorce without papers? Or am I onto >>>a serial bigamist? >>> >>>Frances Sampey Deak >>>106012.734@compuserve.com >>> >>>Very warm in London England but probably not for long. >> >> >> >>==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >>It would behoove every subscriber to familarize themselves with the vast >> amount of resources available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/ . >> >> >> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:51:13 -0700 From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Subscribe To: Ralphj@eskimo.com, Gudgel-list@eskimo.com I am using this e-mail address now. I tried to subscribe to the gudgel-list and do not know if I was successful or not as of yet. If I am not, maybe you can help. Larry Thanks Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Labor Day Greetings Hi folks- Hope everyone is going to enjoy a day of rest today. Gary and I are taking off to Louisville shortly to go to a large antique/flea market at Freedom Hall. Haven't been in years so we thought it would be fun to go again. Years ago I was there and that's when I found the two GUDGEL Dairy bottles. What a find! Maybe I'll get lucky again. BTW, Last Sunday my daughters had a surprise 30th Anniversary Party for us at our church. And what a surprise it was! We had no idea and I assure you it was one of the few times ole' Linda was at a loss for words. What a beautiful memory to last us a lifetime. We had a very nice turnout and the girls really outdid themselves. Wish all of you could have been with us. Still haven't figured out how they got all this together and managed to raid the house of pictures, etc. They did a wonderful job. We are very blessed to have such wonderful children and friends. Everybody have a great day! Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: return mail from the Gudgel mail list FYI to the gudgel list, I just got returned mail from DSChesser@aol.com and praipus@juno.com for some unkown reason. If anyone knows if these are not current email addresses anymore, please let me know. Yes, GudgelDoc@cs.com has subscribed succesfully. and Connie, I set Steve Gudgel in Spain up to be on the list. Thanks bunches all! Gudgel list... 50 plus subscribers and rising (I hope). boB Gudgel Seattle, WA. (note to the archive: I have gotten more returns so I am removing these 2 email addresses from the distribution. Maybe they have new email addresses. B.G.) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Today was my lucky today Hi Folks- Well, I am back from my antique/flea market trip to Louisville and I did find another GUDGEL Dairy Products milk bottle! I had put my husband, Gary, on alert for anyone selling milk bottles and he spotted them first. Turns out it was the only one they had so I feel very fortunate to have found it. It was $12.50...but hey.... for what it was worth to me....no problem. It was identical to the other one I had bought about 10 or 12 years ago. It's a pint size and clear glass with orange lettering on the front that says " Boyd Gudgel Dairy Products". On the bottom front edge going around the bottle it says "One pint liquid. Registered ML 596 Sealed BB 48". (Maybe 1948?). One the bottom it says "Boyd Gudgel Louisville, KY". So now I have two! I had purchased two the first time and gave my younger brother one. I remember when I purchased the two originally that there was also a quart size bottle but I didn't buy it. Should have gotten it then since I haven't seen one since. Today I was also able to purchase two cardboard tops that fit into the opening. I think some of Boyd GUDGEL's family is on the list. Could you guys give us some history on Boyd and the dairy? My husband was looking at some of their collection and we were remembering drinking milk from the half-pint size bottles when in elementary school (a long time ago!). Think extra milk was about a penny a bottle then. You would raise the little tab on the cardboard insert and stick your straw down in it. Bet I'm not the only one who can remember that far back. :) Anyone know how much milk is now at schools? That's all for now. We had a good day. Hope everyone else did too. Linda From: "Nancy Miller" Subject: Age Barometer Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:11:15 -0700 Linda talking about remembering things, do most of you remember most of these: >> Age Barometer - Do you remember... >> >> >> 1. Blackjack chewing gum >> >> 2. Wax Coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water >> >> 3. Candy cigarettes >> >> 4. Soda pop machines that dispensed bottles >> >> 5. Coffee shops with table side jukeboxes >> >> 6. Home milk delivery in glass bottles with cardboard stoppers >> >> 7. Party lines >> >> 8. Newsreels before the movie >> >> 9. P.F. Flyers >> >> 10. Butch wax >> >> 11. Telephone numbers with a word prefix (Olive - 6933) >> >> 12. Peashooters >> >> 13. Howdy Doody >> >> 14. 45 RPM records >> >> 15. S&H Green Stamps >> >> 16. Hi-fi's >> >> 17. Metal ice trays with levers >> >> 18. Mimeograph paper >> >> 19. Blue flashbulbs >> >> 20. Beanie and Cecil >> >> 21. Roller skate keys >> >> 22. Cork popguns >> >> 23. Drive-ins >> >> 24. Studebakers >> >> 25. Wash tub wringers >> >> OK, how many do you remember? Scroll down for your score: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you remembered 0-5 = You're still young >> If you remembered 6-10 = You are getting older >> If you remembered 11-15 = Don't tell your age >> If you remembered 16-25 = You're older than dirt! >> >> >> =) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:20:20 -0700 Subject: Obituary of Mrs. Melissa GUDGEL (the 2nd Wife of William Stephen GUDGEL) From: W Gudgel Hello to all of my Gudgel Cousins, I found the following Obituary was found in some of my father’s research papers. There was no newspaper headline or date to indicate which newspaper or date. Punctuation and spelling are as in original article. The Obituary is for Mrs. Melissa GUDGEL (b. 25 Nov 1856, d. 28 Jul 1938), the 2nd Wife of William Stephen GUDGEL (b. 1 Dec 1848, d. 4 Jul 1925), the son of Abraham Gudgel, Jr. (b. 1814, d. 29 Nov 1880). The son Melissa listed in this article as Willie Gudgel is William (Willie) Edward GUDGEL (b. 2 Nov 1887, d. 7 Feb 1955). Melissa Catherine RICTOR GUDGEL was my great grandmother. Bill Gudgel of Evansville, IN FUNERAL SUNDAY FOR AGED CHRISTY RESIDENT Mrs. Melissa Gudgel, 81, passed away Thursday night at the home of her son Willie Gudgel. She had been in failing health for the past two months. She is survived by the following children: Mrs. Minnie Heath, Mrs. Ella Cochran, Willie Gudgel all of near Sumner, Mrs. Dora Heath, Mrs. Fannie Mattingly and Mrs. Grace Groff of Urbana and one sister Mrs. Ella Groff of Olney, 20 grandchildren and 27 great grandchildren. Funeral services were held Sunday afternoon at 1:30 at Mt. Pleasant Church with Rev. Will Groff officiating. Burial was made in nearby cemetery. The Obituary: Melissa Catherine Rictor, daughter of James and Catherine Rictor was born November 25, 1856 near Louisville, Kentucky and departed this life July 28, 1938 at the home of her son near Sumner. She was united to William S. Gudgel September 17, 1882 who preceded her in death July 4, 1925. Those left to mourn her departure are one sister Mrs. Ella Groff of Olney and five daughters and one son, namely Mrs. Minnie Heath Mrs. Ella Cochran Mrs. Dora Heath, Mrs. Fanny Mattingly Mrs. Grace Groff and Willie Gudgel, 21 grandchildren and 27 great grandchildren and a host of other relatives and friends. She became a member of the Eureka Church of Christ in early life and continued in this faith until her Savior called her home. Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:13:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Age Barometer Nancy- I knew before I counted my results that I was in trouble. I ranked a 20 so folks-the proof is in the pudding.....I am older than dirt. But what fun all of these things were! Candy cigarettes...my parents really didn't like us buying these. We thought we were so cool pretending we were smoking. Party lines.....we had an 8 party line at one time. Your could pick up the receiver and hear another person's conversation without them knowing it. You had to pull up the (did we call it a plunger?) to use the phone. So you could eavesdrop and they never knew it. This wasn't nice to do but we did. Had a teenage couple that used to breath on each other over the phone for hours it seemed and we loved listening in on them! But don't let Mom or Dad catch you listening...you were in deep doo doo. P.F. Flyers...was that a tennis shoe? or a bicycle? Can't remember for sure. Think it was tennis shoes. Telephone numbers with a word prefix....ours was Tennyson 94605 but when you dialed you dialed TE94605. Wow, is that going back a long time! Peashooters really hurt. Howdy Doody- we loved him. It's Howdy Doody Time! and Pinky Lee! 45 rpm records....still have a good collection. Why do we keep these things? S&H Green Stamps...and TV Stamps...I still have a couple of books filled of these...more of my collections! Hi-Fi's- They were the coolest. And you could dance forever playing the same 45's or LP's 100 times over. Metal ice trays with levers or keys as we called them... Thank heavens when ice makers came out! You had to keep them refilled or you had no ice cubes. Refill and stack together and hope you got to the refrigerator without spilling them. I still have one of those too. Memeograph paper..that awful old purple ink you got all over your hands. And whatever the fluid used was made out of you could get high on the smell when running them. Whew! Blue flashbulbs...haven't thought of them in a long time. Who'se Beanie and Cecil? Roller Skate keys...now that's going back a ways too. Drive-Ins....Those were the days. I could stay out later on a date if we went to the Drive-In so...we always seemed to be going to the Drive-In. We weren't dumb. Wash tub wringers...I actually remember helping my grandmother and step-mother with the wash and she used a wringer washer. The tubs of water, Bluing and that old Argo Starch. And the funny stories of things that got caught in the wringer! You washed the clothes in order of how dirty they were. Whites first, then lightly soiled, then jeans and work clothes...and you didn't change the water until you had too. We were on well water and I think we had a Maytag washer. Thanks Nancy for bringing back some really good memories. Hope you folks enjoyed this as much as I did. Linda Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:28:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Melissa Katherine RICTOR GUDGEL Bill- Thanks for sending the obits on Melissa. The only thing I can add is that I had a note she died in Sumner, IL. You probably already knew that anyway. I don't know which newspaper it was either. I still feel that these families that lived in Illinois in the area of Olney, Sumner and Urbana, etc. could reveal some answers for us. I, myself, don't have a clear picture exactly of which GUDGEL families were in that area. I also feel that we are concentrating a lot on the families that have the GUDGEL name when we might be missing out on some good information from the female GUDGEL's that married into other families. I am guilty of that also. Lots of times the girls were the ones to keep momentos, bibles, and family keepsakes, etc. That's all for tonight. Back to the working word tomorrow. Linda Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 05:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Boyd Gudgel Dairy-Louisville, KY Gerald- Thanks for the information. How long and what years was this dairy in operation? Can you imagine how much those bottles that were destroyed would be worth now? You mentioned a road named GUDGEL in Louisville. Was it named for your father? There is also a road or street named GUDGELL in Bath Co., KY and one in Independence, MO. The one in Independence may be called GUDGEL Park. Anybody know of others? Linda >From Gerald GUDGEL: >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > >Linda, > If you have a map of Louisville, the old dairy was on Cane Run Road in west >Louisville. It ran form Mill Creek to Camp Ground , Cane Run Road to the >river. Gudgel road is off Ralph Ave. The old farm house is Mike Hall Auto >Parts (3954 Cane Run Road at Ralph Ave.). I believe he still has a picture >of the old farm on the wall. There was a outlet store and gas station on the >corner of Camp Ground and Cane Run. It is now Inner City Fuel (3800 Cane Run >Road, 40211.) My brother Boyd Jr. runs the place. Stop in next time you're >in town, he'll tell you all about the old farm. >It's great you have a dairy bottle. I've only have 5 pints and a quart. I >did have a bunch of the round cardboard tops, don't know if I have any lift. >I remember burning thousands of them when we closed the dairy (1949) and >using the bottles for target practice. Hope this inlightens you a little. >Gerald Gudgel > > > Cc: lfinnell@lex.infi.net Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:49:30 -0700 Subject: Obituary of: Nancy Marie GUDGEL SMITH From: W Gudgel Hello to all my GUDGEL Cousins, Here is another Obituary from my files. This one is for my Sister, Nancy Marie GUDGEL SMITH Obituary of: Nancy Marie GUDGEL SMITH (b. 28 Dec 1952, d. 6 Sep 1994) daughter of Jesse GUDGEL & June Bathena TENNEY The Evansville Courier Wednesday, September 7, 1994 Bill Gudgel of Evansville, IN *** Nancy Smith Nancy Marie Smith, 41, of Evansville, dies at 1:15 a.m. Tuesday at Deaconess Hospital after an illness. She was a beautician at Grandview Towers and a member of the Church of God Emmanuel. Surviving are her husband of 21 years, Ira B.; a son Stephen G. of Evansville; her mother June Gudgel of Evansville, a sister, Donna Moy of Orland Park, Ill.; a brother, William Gudgel of Evansville; and nieces and nephews. Services for family and close friends will be at 10 a.m. Friday at Miller and Miller Colonial Chapel, the Rev. Gordon DeTalente officiating, with burial in Sunset Memorial Park Cemetery. Friends may call from 3 to 9 p.m. Thursday at the funeral home. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:45:21 -0700 Subject: Obituary of William Edward Gudgel From: W Gudgel Hello everyone, Here is another Obituary from my Father's files. This is for William (Willie) Edward Gudgel (b. 2 Nov 1887, d. 7 Feb. 1955). He was my Grandfather. I have a few more obituaries that I will post as soon as I get more time to type them. Again the article was cut out of the page so I don't now the name of the Newspaper or the date the article was published. Bill Gudgel from Evansville, IN *** OBITUARIES WILLIAM EDWARD GUDGEL William Edward Gudgel, son of William Stephen Gudgel and Melissa Catherine Ricter, was born Nov. 2, 1887 and departed this life on Feb. 7, 1955 at the age of 67 years. He was the only son of a family of 10 children. Seven sisters and an infant child preceded him in death. The sisters were Mrs. Emma Heath, Mrs. Minnie Heath, Mrs. Ella Cochran, Mrs. Fannie Mattingly, Mrs. Grace Groff, Miss Cora Gudgel and Miss Julia Gudgel. He became a member of the Willow Branch Church early in life and continued living a Christian life until his departure. Mr. Gudgel was united to Edna May McColpin on Jan. 6, 1909. To this union were born 2 sons and a 1 daughter. His wife preceded him in death on Feb. 25, 1920. On Sep. 12, 1923, he was united in marriage to Emma Robinson, and to this union were born twin sons, one of whom died in infancy. This wife preceded him in death on March 6, 1950. Survivors include one sister Mrs. Dora Heath of Urbana, Ill., and four children, Edward Gudgel of Sumner, Clarence Gudgel and Jesse Gudgel of Evansville, Ind., and Mrs. Agnes Conover of Sumner, 9 grandchildren, several nieces and nephews and a host of friends and acquaintances. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:03:07 -0700 Subject: Obituaries of: Emma ROBINSON GUDGEL From: W Gudgel Hello to all, The Following Obituaries were found in my Father's records. Because of how they were cut out of the newspaper I do not know which papers they were published in or the dates. The first two Obituaries are about Emma ROBINSON GUDGEL (b. 11 Feb 1903, d. 6 Mar 1950). She was the 2nd wife of William Edward GUDGEL (my grandfather). The last Obituary is for Emma's father, Austin ROBINSON. Bill Gudgel of Evansville, IN *** MRS. WM. GUDGEL DIES AT HER HOME HERE (Emma ROBINSON GUDGEL) Mrs. William Gudgel, 47, Sumner Route Two, died Monday afternoon following a long illness. Survivors include the husband William, one son Jesse of Evansville, three step children, Edward of Sumner, Mrs. Agnes Conover of Sumner and Clarence of Evansville, the mother Mrs. Savilla Brashear of Calhoun. A son Leslie, twin to Jesse, died in infancy. Funeral Services were conducted from Miller and Sivert Funeral Home Wednesday afternoon at two o'clock. Burial was made in the Sumner cemetery. *** OBITUARY EMMA ROBINSON GUDGEL Emma Robinson Gudgel, daughter of Austin and Savilla Robinson, of Olney, was born Feb. 11, 1903, departed this life March 6th, 1950, aged 47 years and 23 days. In early life she was converted and united with the Pleasant Ridge M. E. Church. She was united in marriage to William Edward Gudgel of Sumner, on Sept. 12, 1923. To this union was born two sons, Leslie and Jesse, Leslie dying in infancy. She is survived by her husband and one son, Jesse Gudgel of Evansville, Ind.; one step-daughter, Agnes Conover of Sumner; one grandson and six granddaughters; her mother Savilla Brashear of Olney; one brother, Elmer Robinson of Calhoun and a sister, Anna Tracy of Denver, Colo. CARD AND THANKS It is our desire to thank all who have in any way shown kindness, sympathy and flowers during our past bereavement of our loved one Wm. Gudgel and Family *** AUSTIN ROBINSON CALLED BY DEATH (Father of Emma ROBINSON GUDGEL) Austin M. Robinson, age 69, died early Monday evening at his home in Denver Township. Funeral Services were held at the home Tuesday afternoon at 2:00 o'clock. Rev. Jacobs was in charge. Internment was made at the Houser cemetery. Mr. Robinson is survived by his wife, two sons, and one daughter. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:01:39 -0700 Subject: Obituary of Jesse GUDGEL From: W Gudgel Hello to all of my GUDGEL Cousins' This obituary is for Jesse GUDGEL (no middle name) (b. 3 Dec 1924, d. 19 Sep 1981). He was the son of William Edward GUDGEL & Emma ROBINSON, and my Father. Bill Gudgel of Evansville, IN *** THE EVANSVILLE PRESS EVANSVILLE, IND. SEP 18, 1981 JESSE GUDGEL, 56, of 2055 Shelby, died at 2:20 yesterday afternoon at Deaconess Hospital. Mr. Gudgel, a veteran of World War II, had been a foreman at Southern Indiana Gas and Electric Company. He was a member of Souls Harbor Assembly of God. Surviving are his wife June, a son, William E. of Evansville; daughters, Mrs. Nancy Smith of Evansville and Miss Donna Gudgel of Chicago; and a half-sister, Mrs. Agnes Conover of Lawrenceville, Ill. Services will be at 2 tomorrow afternoon at Souls Harbor Assembly of God Church with burial in Sumner, Ill., Cemetery. Friends may call from 7 to 10 tonight and from 9 to 10 tomorrow morning at Miller & Miller Colonial Chapel. The body will be moved to the Church for visitation from noon until service time. Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:00:25 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Melissa Katherine RICTOR GUDGEL I have found one Gudgel with solid connections to Olney and Sumner Illinois. John S gudgel of the 61st Reg. Ill Volunteers b-1846 - 10/5/1913 Married Melinda Harrell d-8/10/1908 Married second time to Elizabeth Goss who he divorced 4/17/1912 because she deserted him. In Olney Richland county. He had lived in Sumner Lawrence Co. too. Children Some dates were hard to read from the archives Ira June (?) 16, 1869 Roselyn b- 9/18/1871 Tillie (?) 6 1876 Bert 3/18/78 Laura 10/14/1881 Earl 12/29/1887 There was a connection to him from PT Pritchard and J B or (E) Porter. I do not know the connection. John gudgel died in Olney hospital Olney Illinois At the time of John's death Bert lived in Calhoun, Riceland Il. John could not write as he signed with a mark. There was a John W Gudgel from Kinderhook in Pike county. I don't suppose that is close to the areas Linda is interested in is it? From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:58:43 EDT Subject: Re: Gudgel Road There is a Gudgel Road just south of Athens, IL. It is the road that went from Athens to the homestead of Henry T. and Sarah Ann "JOHNSON" GUDGEL. I have some pictures of the Gudgel road, Gudgel bridge, and old Gudgel farm if I ever get around to sending it along. Dave Gudgel From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:08:33 EDT Subject: Re: Melissa Katherine RICTOR GUDGEL To: ralphj@eskimo.com, lfinnell@lex.infi.net I am interested in Gudgel's in Kinderhook or Quincy as that is where my GGrandfather Calvin set out from to Okla territory and eventually N. Texas. Larry Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:04:17 -0700 Subject: Catherine or Caroline Yates ??? From: W Gudgel Hello to Mary Wingert, Let me start by saying it is fantastic meeting you (even if it is only by e-mail). My father (Jesse GUDGEL) was raised around Sumner, IL and my mother (June Bathena TENNEY GUDGEL) was raised in Bridgeport, IL. They married and moved to Evansville, Indiana shortly after my father was Honorably Discharged from the US Navy, at the end of World War II. I have been carefully reading and enjoying everything that has been input recently about the GUDGEL's that lived in Illinois. A big thanks to all who have contributed. The information reminded me of the Obits that I had and I hoped they might help others. I am glad that you and others enjoyed reading them. You list Melissa Catherine RICTOR GUDGEL's mother as Caroline and the obit I have lists her name as Catherine. The only other record I have found to date about Melissa's parents (listed below) also lists her as Caroline. I am not certain if we are dealing with confusion about the first name / middle name or if the person giving the obit information or possibly the person recording the obit information thought that Melissa's Catherine got her middle name from her mother. For the present, I am listing Melissa's mother as Catherine Yates but I am keeping both names (Catherine & Caroline) in the notes section of my records in Family Tree Maker until I can get further corroborating information. Like a cousin of mine on my mother's side of the family likes to say ... "Take everything you read with a grain of salt." It is his way of saying ... When you are recording historical information; Verify everything you read, then verify some more, and then verify your conclusion. If you are familiar with William Stephen and Melissa Catherine you will notice there are errors in the record I have listed below. (My corrections are in parenthesis.) I think this is the same record that you are referring to. Illinois Grooms Book Richland County Marriages Years 1840 - 1915 Michael T. Buss Richland County Clerk Page No. 137 11/15/93 Groom: Gudgel, William L. (William S.) Bride: Rictor, Melissa C. Date: 09/17/82 License: 00103 Book & Page: 003-0070 Grooms Parents: Abraham Gudgel & Elizabeth Burk (Burch) Brides Parents: James Rictor & Caroline Yates I don't have any information on Catherine / Caroline Yates siblings or Parents ... Sorry. I will try to check on her the next time I go to the Genealogy Section of Willard Library. I am also still looking for information on Anna Elizabeth (Betsy) Burch. I will let you know if I find anything. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel of Evansville, IN Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:39:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: JUDGE WALLACE S. GUDGELL-BATH CO., KY Hi everybody- I am preparing an article for the next GUDGEL newsletter and hope someone can answer my question. I have 5 Wallace GUDGELL's, all with ties to Bath Co., KY and I think I have straightened out part of my problem by process of elimination. Does anyone know if Judge Wallace S. GUDGELL (b. April 10, 1857 Owensville, Bath Co., KY, d. December 8, 1933) was ever married? Did he have children? He was the son of Reuben GUDGELL and Elvessa MARTIN and was an attorney (as his father was) and a Judge. I had made a mistake in my Family Tree Maker Program as having him married to Nannie Lee JONES with several children but have found that was in error. Nannie Lee JONES was married to Wallace GUDGELL, son of George H. GUDGELL. Thanks for any information. So many Wallace's.....! Linda Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: GUDGEL obits Bill- Thanks for taking the time to enter these obits on the list. I am really enjoying them. Some I have seen and some not so they are new info. for some lines that I have. Can always use this kind of stuff :) I encourage others to do the same with maybe some obits or articles you have stuck away somewhere. It may be old to you but it's new to some of us. Thanks a bunch, Linda Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:16:06 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Re: JUDGE WALLACE S. GUDGELL-BATH CO., KY My records show Wallace married to Mary Coulthard in June 26 1989. No other information. Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi everybody- > > I am preparing an article for the next GUDGEL newsletter and hope someone > can answer my question. I have 5 Wallace GUDGELL's, all with ties to Bath > Co., KY and I think I have straightened out part of my problem by process of > elimination. > > Does anyone know if Judge Wallace S. GUDGELL (b. April 10, 1857 Owensville, > Bath Co., KY, d. December 8, 1933) was ever married? Did he have children? > He was the son of Reuben GUDGELL and Elvessa MARTIN and was an attorney (as > his father was) and a Judge. > > I had made a mistake in my Family Tree Maker Program as having him married > to Nannie Lee JONES with several children but have found that was in error. > Nannie Lee JONES was married to Wallace GUDGELL, son of George H. GUDGELL. > > Thanks for any information. So many Wallace's.....! > Linda > > From: "Dick Bowen" To: "Gudgel" , "Amber Bowen" , "Brandon Bowen" , "Heather BOWEN" , "ROBERT BOWEN" , "Cornelia Ekberg" , "LINDA GUDGEL Finnel" , "John/Mona Gudgel" , "Roy Hicks" , net@mx1.eskimo.com, "HERB/AMBER HARRIS" , "J.R. Jenkins" , "Harold/Roberta Jordan" com, "Lori/Kyle Luck" , "Marshall & Adrienne Nathanson" , "Stacy/Alex Nathanson" , "BOB Privit" , "Jack & Tena Seeds" , "Brian/Patti Stouch" , "Ricky/Joe Stouch" , "Cathy Tugmon" , "Greg/Jean Vernon" , "M. Wingert" Subject: CHANGE OF ISP Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:48:42 -0700 HI Every one. Please change my address to [ rcbowen@the grid.net ] effectively immediately. Thank you Dick & Lucy Bowen MOCKINGBIRDHILL R. C. BOWEN From: Bob Gudgel Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: another way to get to the Gudgel web page. Hey, Check this out next time you're on your way to Bob's Gudgel page. Get there by going to go.to/gudgel It's a free way to redirect to your web site. so I thought I would try it. boB Gudgel From: "Jennette A. Gudge" To: , Subject: Re: Gudgel Road Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:17 -0500 Thanks Dave...................Good the get the info. Would love to see the pictures someday. -jennette Gudgel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Gudgel Road > There is a Gudgel Road just south of Athens, IL. It is the road that went > from Athens to the homestead of Henry T. and Sarah Ann "JOHNSON" GUDGEL. I > have some pictures of the Gudgel road, Gudgel bridge, and old Gudgel farm if > I ever get around to sending it along. > > Dave Gudgel > > Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Pankake and Frederick's will I just received this email. Linda, Can you respond to this one? I'll let him know that I posted it. Thanks, Bob >From pankake@usfamily.net Sat Sep 11 23:35:42 1999 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:24:59 -0700 From: Lowell Pankake To: bgudgel@eskimo.com Subject: Frederick's Will Bob, I'm interested in getting a copy of the will of Frederick Godschalk, probated 1748. His son-in-law Jost Pannenkuchen may be my ancestor. Do you know of anyone who has a copy? Another Pancake family researcher discovered two deeds from the executors of Frederick's will. I have a transcript of them at my website at http://www.usfamily.net/web/pankake/gottscha.htm Thanks, Lowell Pankake pankake@usfamily.net From: "JAS S POPE" To: Subject: Re: Fredericks Will Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:56:19 -0500 Lowell: I'm very interested in your comment about the two executors of Frederick's will. My information indicates that these are Yost Pannenkucken and Anne Mary Gotschalk (Frederick's widow). I believe I have copies of the transcriptions I made of these deeds in the late 1970s. My wife and I have been living at Columbia since 17 July and most of the hard copies of my genealogical material was left at our home in St. Louis, Mo. We are leaving from Columbia this afternoon for St.Louis and will be coming back here to Columbia sometime Tuesday afternoon. I'll look to see just what I have there at home. I have set up a temporary work station here at Columbia but have little of my genealogy holdings here for reference work. My Internet workstation is set up here at Columbia. This is a temporary setup which may not last more than mid-October. By the same token I can't access the Internet from St.Louis until we finallly return there. My E-mail address remains the same; however, my ISP is now located at Chesterfield, MO this has resulted in having another phone No. to dial to gain access to my server. Results the past two days are I can't reach bgudgel@eskimo.com and Jim Pope mailto:docjazp@worldnet.att.net From: "Dick Bowen" To: "MARY Wingert" , "Greg/Jean Vernon" , "Cathy Tugmon" , "Ricky/Joe Stouch" , "Brian/Patti Stouch" , "Stacy/Alex Nathanson" , "Lori/Kyle Luck" , "J.R. Jenkins" , "HERB/AMBER HARRIS" , "Jerry/Tab Harder" , "John/Mona Gudgel" , "Gudgel" , "Mary Lou Grosberg" , "LINDA GUDGEL Finnel" , "Cornelia Ekberg" , "Berneal Eckberg" NET, "Stephen/Judy Bowen" , "ROBERT BOWEN" , "RICHARD BOWEN" , "Heather BOWEN" , "Amber Bowen" Subject: Change of ISP Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:22:30 -0700 Hi every one> this is the second & last notice of my new address. rcbowen@thegrid.net I haven't had any mail on this server yet???In 5 days?? Are the Bowen's = & Gudgel's all a sleep????? This works a lot better on the web pages. MOCKINGBIRDHILL R. C. BOWEN Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Early Pennsylvania GUDGEL connection Hi Everybody- I have been working on a connection of the Pankake family in Bucks and Montgomery Co., PA (I think those are the right counties). From the Will of Frederick GOTTSCHALK we learned that Andrew had a sister, Agnes, who married Yost (Jost) Pannakuch/Pamekuch/Pfannakuch, etc. (actually Jim Pope and I call him "Joe Pancake" :) Anyway, I have been emailing a couple of gentlemen about this family. Naturally they are more interested in the Pankake family, however, I have gotten some good info. on this family that I will share with you when I have more time and can organize it better. I worked all day Saturday at our local Historical Society. It was our town's annual Fall Festival and we held a Rummage Sale at the Library/Museum. Great weather and lots of good items had been donated so we had a very successful day and raised about $700. which we will add to our fund to purchase a new microfilm reader/printer. Have also just finished an article for the GUDGEL newsletter on some of the GUDGELL's of Bath Co., KY and that should be coming out soon. I wanted to share an article I found in a genealogy magazine I thought we should keep in mind: It was in the last issue of the Ellen Odom Payne Library Magazine: MENNONITES COMPILING DATABSE OF GRAVESTONE INSCRIPTIONS Mennonite Cemetery Database=The Mennonite Historians of Eastern Pennsylvania, with a library located at Harleysville, is compiling a database containing gravestone inscriptions from 85 cemeteries of Bucks, Montgomery and northern Chester Co., Pennsylvania. There are presently about 50,000 records entered, and more are being added gradually. The records include those of Mennonite, Brethern, Brethren in Christ, Lutheran, Reformed, Union, Evangelical, community and even family cemeteries. The database can be used by researchers visiting the Library, or through mail requests. The charge by mail is $5 for the first page, and $2.60 for additional pages of a report. A report can be produced for an entire surname, one person's name, or a surname in a specific cemetery. You may contact the Library at MHEP Library, Box 82, Harleysville, PA 19438, or phone: (215)256-3032. That's all for now. Hope everyone's doing okay. Everybody have a great day tommorrow. Linda Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:54:50 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Frederick Gotschalk's daughters Linda, Did I see one time that Frederick had 2 daughters? I recall the Agnes "Pancake" one but off hand can't recall the other one. Or maybe the other woman I recall mentioned was Fred's wife who I believe is mentioned in his will. But does anyone have info on a 2nd daughter that we might investigate? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage From: "M. Wingert" Cc: "Linda Finnell" Subject: Pancake Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:09:21 +0900 In the 1850 Pike Co Indiana census, there is a John Pancake,29,-wife = Elizabeth, 24-ch: William ,4, & Hulda ,1, all born Indiana, living next = door to the Ira Burch family. Ira born New York, wife Sarah b. Ky. ch: = Adlad?? 2,female & John age1 .and the name is spelled "Pancake" on this = census. Maybe this will add to something you have. Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:15:58 -0700 Subject: PURPLE HEART MEDAL CITATION for JESSE GUDGEL From: W Gudgel Hello Doyal Gudgel, Here is a copy of the "Purple Heart Medal Citation" I mentioned earlier. My Father, Jesse GUDGEL, received it during World War II in the Ryukyu Islands on Okinawa. The box it is stored in says he was wounded on 3 May, 1945 and received it on 30 May 1945. He also received several other medals that I am not familiar with. Have a great day, Bill Gudgel in Evansville, IN *** CITATION In the name of the President of the United States and by direction of the Secretary of the Navy, and the Commander in Chief, United States Pacific Fleet, the PURPLE HEART MEDAL is hereby awarded by the Island Commander, APO 247, to Motor Machinist's Mate Third Class JESSE GUDGEL (943 72 69) United States Naval Reserve for wounds received in action against an enemy of the United States on 3 May, 1945 in the RYUKYU ISLANDS (Signed by) FREDERICK V.H. KIMBLE Brigadier General United States Army Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: And Here She Is...........Miss America (from KY)! Good Morning Folks- Just wanted to share the news from last night.....this was something special for Kentucky. Just wanted to pass the word along. She's a gorgeous girl. BTW, Maysville is in northern KY on the Ohio River. What's that old saying about Kentucky being noted for Fast Women and Pretty Horses.....er.....or was it Fast Horses and Pretty Women? :) Either way, she represented us with CLASS. See ya, Linda > >ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (Sept. 18) - Miss Kentucky, Heather Renee French was >crowned Miss America 2000 on Saturday night, becoming the first woman from >that state ever to wear the crown. > >French, 24, of Maysville, Ky., covered her face with her hands when co-host >Marie Osmond announced her as the winner. She hugged the first runnerup and >outgoing Miss America Nicole Johnson before lowering her head to receive the >crown. > >She then took the traditional walk down the runway, smiling and waving. > > > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:36:36 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Tawn Gudgel Back in 1982 I received an envelope from Tawn returning some things I had sent her. I am now wanting to locate her if anyone knows where she might be. Her address was Rt. 1 Janiata NE 68955. There were some KY records which are very hard to read. I would like to know if she is still doing genealogy. She still might be at the same location. With the fine bunch of people here one might already know her. There is a record of a Tawn Sue Gudgel born January 13, 1965 in Ainsworth NE but I dont know if this is she. By now she is probably married if she is the Tawn Sue born in 1965. Have a nice day. Summer has arrived in the NW (finally) Doyal Gudgel From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:10:44 EDT Subject: Re: Tawn Gudgel To: ralphj@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Summer has arrived I see in the NW (from Doyal), well fall is setting in Ohio. What Doyal said makes me remember 2 years ago when I had to wear a coat for the 4th of July fireworks while I was in Buffalo NY. Summer is only 2 weeks long there. Larry Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Spitting Contest at Maysville, KY Just had to share this with you guys. It makes for a good laugh for the day. I will be honest, I have never watched or taken part in this sport. Linda in dry and 40 degree (tonight) Kentucky. Chilly! :) >From: dw@qni.com (Darrell Warner) >Subject: [KYBATH] Spitting Contest at Maysville >Resent-From: KYBATH-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2254 > >Taken from the Bath County News-Outlook dated Thursday, February 10, 1938 > >Spitting Contest at Maysville > > It was a seventeen-foot six-inch twister shot which won the Mason County >tobacco spitting contest and a $2 cash prize for E. L. Weaver of Orangeburg. > Toeing the line on Market Street before a croud of 200 men, Weaver >outdistanced Sherwood Stitt, Mayslick, by one inch. Stitt got the $1 >runner-up prize. Weavers technique was to stand straight, both forefingers >to his lips as a guide. Thirty eight contestants took part, but three were >disqualified for blowing and one retired after swalloing his tobacco. > Eugene Merz gave the prizes. Ellwood Dillin, director of public relations >for the Maysville Tobacco Board of Trade, served as manager. Charles >Pickett and Charles "Pop" Treibel were judges and Ed Treibel used the tapeline. > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Fw: Mary Coburn Dewees' Journal Pt. 1 > >(From: The Dewees Family, Genealogical Data, Biographical Facts and >Historical Information, Collected by Mrs. Phillip E. LaMunyan; Ellwood >Roberts, Editor; William H. Roberts, Morristown, Pa., 1905) > >SAMUEL DEWEES > >Samuel Dewees, son of Sheriff William Dewees, of Philadelphia, was also >born in the vicinity. He married Mary Coburn, sister of Judge Coburn, >of Kentucky, previously of Chester County, Pennsylvania. Mr. [Samuel] >Dewees, with his wife and two children, Rachel and Sallie, emigrated >from Philadelphia to Lexington, Kentucky, in the fall of 1787. Rachel >Dewees married John Wilson. Sallie married Robert Taylor. They had >three other children born to them in Kentucky: Farmer Dewees, September >15, 1792, at Midway; John Coburn Dewees, who married Maria Bayless; and >Eliza, who married Wilkins Tannehill. > >According to an act of Assembly in 1777, Philadelphia was divided into >seven Battalion districts, and Samuel Dewees was appointed >sub-Lieutenant. > >Mr. Samuel P. Cochran, of Dallas, Texas, a great-grandson of Samuel >Dewees, being greatly interested in the family history, has kindly >contributed the following copy of a diary of Mrs. Mary Dewees, detailing >a journey of herself, husband and family and other companions from >Philadelphia to Lexington, Ky., in the fall of 1787. > >[Note: The original as published by LaMunyan, was compared with a >similar transcription made by Ted Dallas Deweese who published it in >installments in the Dewees/e Family Association Newsletter, Vol. 1, >Issue 3, through Vol. 2, Issue 2 (Nov. 1992-Oct. 1993). The two >transcriptions differed slightly and I used editorial license in the >following transcription made August 31, 1999. Vee L. Housman] > >MARY COBURN DEWEES' JOURNAL > >Sept 27th, 1787 - Left Philadelphia about 5 o'clock in the afternoon and >tore ourselves from a number of friends that assembled to take a last >farewell before we set off for Kentucky. Made our first stage 6 miles >from the City, being very sick the greatest part of the way. > >Sept 28th - We left the sign of the Lamb at half past 6 A.M. and >proceeded to Col. Webster's 7 miles where we breakfasted, and then set >off for the United States which we reached at 5 o'clock P.M., and put up >for the night on account of my sickness which was excessive, being >obliged to go to bed immediately. > >29th - Left the United States and arrived at the Waggon 40 miles from >Philadelphia, that place which contains so many valued friends. Sister >and the children were hearty. The children very diverting to all but >poor Maria, who was sick as it was possible to be. We took up our >lodging at the Compass. > >30th - Left the Compass and reached the Hat at 10 o'clock A.M., much >better than I was. Lost all the fine prospects the first day owing to >my sickness, which was excessive, being obliged to be led from the >Waggon to the bed and from the bed to the Waggon. > >October 1st - Crossed the Conestoga, a good deal uneasie for fear my >sickness should return, - the Conestoga is a beautiful creek with fine >prospects around it. After refreshing ourselves we took a walk up the >creek and I think I never saw a more beautiful prospect. You can't >imagine how I long'd for you, my friends, to join our little Party and >to be partakers of the Beauties of Nature that now surround us. We are >seated beneath the shade of intermingling trees, that grow leaning o'er >the creek, and entirely shade us from the noonday sun. Several, since I >sat here, have crossed, some on horseback others in boats, whilst a fall >of water at a little distance adds dignity to the scene and renders it >quite romantic. > >As the sun was setting, we rode through Lancaster, a Beautiful inland >town, with some Elegant Houses in it. I was quite delighted with the >view we have from the corner of the street where the prison stands, of >the Upper part of town, which at once presents to your sight a sudden >rise of houses, trees, and gardens, on either side, that has a very >pleasant effect. > >2d - Tho' but a few days since my friends concluded that I could not >reach Kentucky, will you believe me when I tell you I am setting on the >bank of the Susquehanah, and can take my bit of ham and Biscuit with any >of them. > >"Returning health has made the face of nature gay, >Given beauty to the sun and pleasure to the day." > >Just cross'd the river in company with Mrs. Parr and her daughter, not >the least sick. What gratitude is owing from me to the great Author of >nature, who in so short a time has restored me from a state of >Languishment and Misery to the most enviable health. > >3d - Passed through York Town, a pretty little town, and lodged about a >mile from that place. > >4th - This day we rode through Abbotts Town, a trifling place; find the >rodes much better from Lancaster upwards, than from Philadelphia to >Lancaster. Reached Hunters Town, 113 miles, expect to-morrow to cross >the South Mountain. Our weather exceedingly pleasant. > > > > > > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >"You Have a Friend in Fayette County, Pennsylvania"! > > > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:46:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Fw: MARY COBURN'S JOURNAL Hi folks- I received this journal from another list and it is just too good to pass up sharing it with our list. The time frame is so close to the time that our own GUDGEL ancestor, Andrew, Sr., left PA for Kentucky that I thought it might give us all a better understanding of the hardships and trials these people endured. It is a 5 part series and I hope each of you will read them carefully and try and imagine our own family making this trip. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Linda ************************************************************************ > >Following is an intro by Monette Sutherland, to a journal written in 1787 by >her ancestor, Mary Coburn DeWees. Mary's journal describes her party's trip >from Philadelphia Co. PA to Maysville, KY. Believing this to be of interest >to many on the pafayett-l list, I have Monette's permission (and >encouragement) to forward it for your enjoyment. (Actually, Vee Housman, >list owner of padutch-life-l, offered this to Monette.) > >Having ancestors who lived in Fayette Co. PA, and who migrated via flatboat >to Maysville, KY in 1790, these journal entries are of particular interest >to me. I know of several others on our list whose ancestors also made this >trip down the Ohio River; in fact, many early Fayette settlers did so, most >likely embarking on the Monongahela River, at or near Brownsville, PA, or on >the Yough River. At some point soon after 1790, a 'road' from Brownsville >to Washington, PA, was extended to Wheeling, VA (now WV) -- this allowed >people to travel overland to Wheeling where they embarked directly on the >Ohio River, thus preventing the need for longer river passage via the >Monongahela, northward to Ft. Pitt, to gain entrance to the Ohio River. > >The first parts of the journal entries describe westward travels across the >mountains in 1787. Even though your ancestors may not have further migrated >down the Ohio River, you may find this info to be of interest. > >Note that these postings were first to the padutch-life-l list, then >forwarded to the kymason-l list, and now to our pafayett-l list. > >Neil McDonald > >-----Original Message----- >From: Monette Sutherland >To: KYMASON-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 1:21 PM >Subject: [KYMASON-L] MARY COBURN'S JOURNAL > > >Hi fellow researchers. > >Having only recently joined your list I wanted to write and ask if any >of you would be interested in reading Mary's journal. Written in 1787 it >beautifully describes her familys three month crossing from Philadelphia >County PA to Lexington and Mayslick KY. > >Mary was the wife of Samuel DEWEES and the niece of Judge John COBURN of >KY. Her daughter, a child at the time of the journey, later married >Robert TAYLOR son of Robert and Jane Downey TAYLOR of Washington, Mason >KY (settled there from PA b8 1788) > >This journal could have been written by any of our ancestors crossing >Pennsyvania and arriving in Kentucky. >Mary mentions an impending Indian raid in Pittsburgh and describes in >detail of their visit there. > >Please write and let me know if this is of interest and an appropriate >piece to send >to our list (in length it is written in five one page parts) The >journal was sent to me by a fellow researcher, Vee a kd from PA who >operates the PD-Dutch Life mail list with Rootsweb and she endorses my >wish to share it with you all should you like. > >Thank you, >Monette > > ==== KYMASON Mailing List ==== >The Simon Kenton Festival and Kenton Kin Reunion is an annual event >that is held in Old Washington, Mason County, KY, during the >3rd week-end in Sept. The Festival features Pioneer encampments >and craft demonstrations, historical buildings and genealogy research. > > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >"Please remember to post your questions and answers to the list for >all to share". > > > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:51:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Fw: Mary's Journal--The end Note from Linda- This is the final segment on Mary's Journal. When she speaks of reaching Limestone that is what is known today as Maysville, KY on the Ohio River. I hope you have enjoyed this as much as I have. Linda from KY ************************************************************************ > >Nov. 21st - The wind still blowing very hard, we staid 'till one >o'clock, when we again put out, but made little progress, the wind still >ahead. Some of our people went ashore and brought a fine wild Turkey. >Just passed Grave Creek 12 miles below Wheeling; at dark passed >Cappatana Creek, and in the night passed fishing creek. > >22nd - About 10 o'clock a.m. passed Fish Creek, being the largest one we >have passed. There is a beautiful level Bottom on each side with hills >on hills, which seem to surround it, must render it truly delightful in >the summer season, when the woods are clothed in their finest verdure. >About 12 o'clock got into the Long Reach, it being 15 miles long, ten >out of which you may see straight forwards, without the interruption of >shore bends, which are very frequent in this river. The diversity of >Mountains and Valleys; and the Creeks that empty into the Ohio, on both >sides, with a variety of beautiful Islands in the river, renders it one >of the most beautiful rivers in the World. > >23rd - The weather hazy but calm. Call'd up by the watch about 5 >o'clock A.M., to look at Fort Muskingum, but it being hazy could >discover nothing but the lights at the fort, and a vast body of cleared >land. At daybreak was agreeably serenaded by the drums and fifes at the >fort beating and playing the Revele. It sounded very, pleasing, tho at >a Considerable distance. At 10 o'clock we got to the Little Kanawa; >haftpast one got to Little Hockhocking river; and at 4 we passed the Big >Hockhocking; a little before dark got opposite Flyn's old Station, a >clever little place on the bank of the river, with a large corn field on >each side. At dark came to Bellwell, a place founded by Mr. Tilton, >late of Philadelphia. Tis the most delightful situation I have seen on >the Ohio; there are about a dozen snug little Cabins built on the bank, >in which families reside, with each a field of corn and a garden, with a >small fort to defend them from the Savages. This settlement began about >2 years ago, distant from Fort Pitt 220 miles, on the Virginia shore. > >24th - Rose about 6 o'clock to look at Latorch Falls, which are very >rapid. In the last 24 hours have come seventy miles; had the pleasure >of seeing a doe and a beautiful little fawn on the Indian shore, at too >great a distance to shoot at. The variety of deer, ducks, turkeys and >geese, with which this country abounds, keeps us always on the lookout, >and adds much to the beauty of the scenes around us. Between the hours >of six and eleven, we have seen twelve deer, some feeding in the green >patches that are on the Bottoms, some drinking at the river side, while >others at the sight of us bound through the woods with amazing >swiftness. As we rose from dinner we got to Campaign Creek, the place >that General Lewes cross'd when he went against the Indians, this last >war. Just after dark came to Point Pleasant; the moon shining very >bright gave us an imperfect view of this place. 'Tis built on the banks >of the Ohio, and at the point of Kanawa River. At the point stands the >fort, which, in the time of the American war, was attacked by the >Indians, but was defended, and they driven off across the river by Genl. >Lewes, who owns A vast tract of land at this place. There are 12 or 15 >houses, besides the fort, and a good deal of cleared Land about it. The >last 24 hours brought us 85 miles further on our voyage. > >25th - At 6 O'clock A.M. got to the Guyandot river, but not being >called up, lost the sight of it. You can't imagine how much I regret the >time lost in sleep; it deprives me of seeing, so many of the beauties of >nature. Just as we were going to breakfast we came to a small river >call'd by the Indians Quindot; at 9 o'clock came to Tweed pool river, >and soon after came to Big Sandy Creek on the other side of which the >Kentucky lands begin. At 3 o'clock passed little Sandy river 30 miles >Below big Sandy. Came to the Scioto in the Evening. Came 100 miles >this day. > >26th - At 4 o'clock A.M. woke up by a hard gale of wind, which continued >until breakfast time, when we had both wind and tide in our favour. At >= past 9 we came to the Three Islands 12 miles from Limestone; at = past >1 hove in sight of Limestone; at 3 o'clock landed safe at that place, >where we found six boats. The place very indifferent, the landing the >best on the river; there are at this time about 100 people on the bank >looking at us and enquiring for their friends. We have been nine days >coming from McKee's Island, three miles below Pittsburgh. > >27th - As soon as it was light my brother set off for Lexington without >company, which is far from safe, so great was his anxiety to see his >family. > >28th - Left Limestone at 9 o'clock there being 30 odd boats at the >Landing, the chief of which arrived since yesterday 3 'o'clock. We got >to a little town call'd Washington in the evening, where we stayed and >lodged at Mr. Wood's from Philadelphia. > >29th - We left Washington before light, and got to Mary's Lick at 12 >O'clock; left there and reached the North Fork where we encamped, being >15 or 20 in Company. We made our bed at the fire, the night, being very >cold, and the howling of the wolves, together with its being the most >dangerous part of the road, kept us from enjoying much repose that >night. > >29th - Set out at daylight for the Blue Licks, which we reached at 12 >o'clock; took a walk to look at the salt works which were a great >curiosity to us. We traveled about seven miles further, and took up our >lodging for that night. > >30th - Was agreeably surprised by the company of Mr. Rees and Mr. >Merrel, who came out to meet us, but having taken a wrong road, missed >us the evening before. We reached Grant's Station that night, where we >lodged, and on the first of December arrived at Lexington, being >escorted there by Mr. Gordon and Lady, who came out to Bryan's Station >to meet us. We were politely received and welcomed by Mrs. Coburn. We >all stayed at my brother's 'till the 11th December, when Betsy Rees left >us to begin house keeping, her house not being ready before. > >Jan.1st, 1788 - We still continue at my brother's and have altered our >determination of going to Buckeye farm, and mean to go down to South >Elkhorn as soon as the place is ready. Since I have been here, I have >been visited by the genteel people in the place, and received several >invitations, both in town and Country. The society in this place is >very agreeable, and I flatter myself I shall see many happy days in this >country. Lexington is a clever little town with a court-house and jail >and some pretty good buildings in it, chiefly log. My abode I have not >seen yet; a description of which you shall have by and by. > >Jan.29th [1788] I have this day reached South Elkhorn and am much >pleased with it. 'Tis a snug little Cabin about 9 miles from Lexington, >on a pretty ascent, surrounded by sugar trees; a beautiful pond a little >distance from the house, with an excellent spring not far from the >door. I can assure you I have enjoyed more happiness the few days I >have been here, than I experienced these four or five years past. I >have my little family together and am in full expectations of seeing >better days. - M. D. > >The end. > > > >==== KYMASON Mailing List ==== >Visit the New Mason County Website! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymason/mason.htm >Be sure to bookmark it! > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >It would behoove every subscriber to familarize themselves with the vast > amount of resources available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/ . > > > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:51:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Fw: Mary's Journal Pt. 4 > >Oct. 26th and 27th - Staid at McKee's Island waiting for water, which is >too low to go down. Took a walk up the bill from which we have a fine >prospect of both sides of the Island, and saw an Indian grave with three >others, on the top of the hill, likewise the remains of an old >entrenchment that was thrown up ye last Indian war. Saw three boats >full of troops going up to Pittsburgh, we suppose they are going up for >provisions for the garrison below. > >28th - Mr. Dewees and Mr. Shelby went up to Pitts; am in hopes they will >bring some intelligence of the warriors that went out against the >Indians. > >29th - Still continued at the Island waiting for water; had the pleasure >of two ladys company from the Island, who gave us an invitation to visit >them. Had a very stormy night and a snow of two or three inches. > >30th - The weather much in our favour, it rained all day. Sewing and >reading, and when the weather is fine walking, are the amusements we >enjoy. The gentlemen pass their time in hunting deer, turkeys, ducks, >and every other kind of wild fowl, with which this country abounds. A >beautiful doe had the assurance the other day to come half way down the >hill and give a peep at us, but our hunters being out escaped being >taken; fishing makes up part of their amusement. > >31st - Still in hopes of the water raising, as we had snow again this >morning and a prospect of rain; this the most tedious Part of our >Journey as we still continue in one place. > >Nov. 1st - The weather clear and cold and no prospect of the water >raising. Am little apprehensive we shall have to winter among the >rocks. You can't imagine how I want to see you all, often do I indulge >myself in fancy's eye at looking at my dear friends in their several >families and wish to be a partaker of their happiness. Eliza too, I >long to know how she behaves in her new department; I suppose she often >bridles when she looks at my Harriet to think she has got the whip hand >of her. > >2d - Went over to the Island to see our new acquaintance, and they >insisted on our repeating our visits. While we staid, a man came in >that was wounded by the Indians a few days ago about 20 miles from >Pitt. A party of Traders were surprised by them in the night, but got >off without any but a little Blood by one who had been wounded in the >head by a tomahawk. > >3d - Received a visit from three French gentlemen who came to dine with >us on board the boat. > >4th - To-day the two Mr. Williams came to invite us to their house, a >mile from this place, promising to furnish us with horses and saddles; >but we declined accepting their invitation, choosing rather to continue >where We are 'till we go down the river. > >5th - Mrs. Hamilton and Miss Conrad, from the Island, called on us to >take a walk up the hill to gather grapes, which we got a great abundance >of. > >6th - Brother and Mr. Shelby (one of our passengers) went up to Pitt to >procure some necessarys for us. > >7th - Dined on an Excellent pike, had the company of the three French >gentlemen before mentioned to dine with us; who came to invite us to a >Ball held at Col. Butler's where thirty ladies and gentlemen were to >assemble for that purpose. It is hardly worthwhile to say we declined >going as it was out of our power to dress fit at this time to attend >such an Entertainment or else (you know) should be happy to do ourselves >the honour. > >8th - Had several gentlemen to dine on board the Ark, expecting a fine >hunt of some deer, which kept about 200 yards from our boat on a very >high hill, but a shower of rain in the night disappointed them, >rendering the brush and leaves too wet for that purpose. They passed >the day in Squirrel hunting and fishing for pike, this being the season >for them. I saw one to-day weighing 30 weight, the most beautiful fish >I ever saw. > >9th - Paid a second visit to the Island, which keeps us in hopes of >rain. > >10th-18th - From the 10th to the l8th of November, we passed our time in >visiting, and receiving visits on board our boat, when we bid adeau to >the Island friends and pushed down the Ohio. Saw a small Kentucky boat >go down yesterday, which induced us to set off as the water had risen >but very little but still continues to rise slowly.- Passed Fort >McIntosh p.m. and got fast for a minute on one of the ripples. > >19th - Passed Backer's fort about 10 o'clock a.m., and proceeded down >the Ohio; a very beautiful river; passed Yellow which runs near the >Indian shore. The country very hilly on both sides of the river, in >places a half mile wide, in other places much narrower, so near we are >to the Indian Country and yet think ourselves pretty safe. The wind >blowing very hard and being contrary, obliged us to put on shore 65 >miles south of Pittsburgh, and the boat tossing about a good deal >occasioned one to feel a little quamish. Betsy Rees was so sick she was >obliged to go to bed; what strange reverses there are in life. The >children are very hearty and one now is playing with Daddy on the >shore. We passed Fort Steuben and the Mingo Bottom in the night. We >should have got up to see the fort, but the watch told us we could see >nothing as it was cloudy. The barking of the dogs at the fort, the >howling of the wolves, and the yelling of the hunters on the opposite >shore, was a little alarming at first, but we soon got reconciled to it. > >20th - Just as the day broke, got aground on a Sand bar, at the Beach >Bottom. Just at that time a small Kentucky Boat that was ashore, >endeavored to alarm us by firing of a gun and accosting us in the Indian >tongue, but our people could just discern the boat, which quieted our >fears. At sunrise we passed by Norris Town on the Indian shore, a >clever little situation, with ten cabins placidly situated. Saw another >Kentucky Boat, and passed by Wheeling, a place where a fort was kept and >attacked last war. 'Tis pleasantly situated on a hill. There was a >boat and a good many people waiting to go down the river. An excessive >hard gale of wind obliged us to put to shore. After the wind abated, we >again put out in the channel and were obliged again by a fresh gale to >put ashore on the Indian coast, which caused some disagreeable >sensations, as it is not long since the Indians have done some mischief >hereabouts. After the wind lulled, they thought proper to put out >again, tho' it still continued to rain very hard, which made it very >dark and disagreeable, as it was impossible to discern where the rocks >and ripples lay; but notwithstanding all the obstructions we have met >with, have gone at the rate of fifty miles in twenty four hours. Nor >have I felt the least sickness since the first gale, tho' we have been >tossed about at an amazing rate. My brother has just come off the watch >and tells us we are again anchored, tho' on the opposite shore. The >weather being to bad to proceed, we laid all night ashore. It still >continued very stormy; many large trees blew down on the bank; we >expected every moment the boat would leave her anchor. >(To be continued) > > > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:PAFAYETT-L-request@rootsweb.com >Click below for the digest list: > mailto:PAFAYETT-D-request@rootsweb.com >In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe >(Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:51:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Fw: Mary's Journal, Pt. 2 >Oct.. 5th - Left Hunters Town and proceeded to the Mountain, which we >began to climb about 10 o'clock, sometimes riding, sometimes walking; >find the roads much better in places than we had expected, tho' in >others excessive Stony; the length which is ten miles is very tedious. >Obligingly favored with good weather, we have halted on the top of the >mountain to refresh ourselves and horses. This afternoon descended the >west side, find it much worse than the east side, the road in places for >a mile in length so very stony you can scarce see the earth between; >tho' at other places beautifully watered by fine springs. Took up our >lodging at the foot of the Mountain, the people very civil, the house >right Kentuckian. > >6th - Left the foot of the Mountain, crossed the Falling Spring and >proceeded to Chambersburgh, a handsome little Town with some pretty >stone and brick Buildings in it. After passing the Town we crossed the >Falling Spring again, one of the finest Springs in this part of the >world, by which several mills in this neighborhood are turned. Obliged >to stop sooner than usual, one of our horses being Lame, find the people >a good deal shy, at first, but after a little while very sociable and >obliging; treated with some very fine Apples which began to grow very >scarce with us. I very much fear we shall be like the Children of >Israel - long for the garlick and onions that your city abounds with. > >7th - Set off for the North Mountain, which we find so bad we are >obliged to foot it up, and could compair ourselves to nothing but a >parcel of goats climbing up the Welsh Mountains that I have read of. >Sallie is very desirous to find whether this Mountain is not the one >that's in Mr. Adgate's song. Find this the most fatiguing day's journey >we have had, the roads so very bad and so very steep, that the horses >seem ready to fall backwards, in many places. You would be surprised to >see the Children, Jumping and Skipping, sometimes quite out of sight, >sometimes on horseback sometimes in the Waggon, so you see we have >variety, tho' sometimes would very willingly dispense with some of it. >Believe me my dear friends, the sight of a log house on these Mountains >after a fatiguing days Journey affords more real pleasure than all the >magnificent buildings your city contains. Took up our lodging at the >foot of the Mountain and met with very good entertainment. > >8th - Left the foot of the mountain and crossed Scrub hill, which is >very bad indeed. I had like to forgot to tell you, I have lost my >children. Don't be concerned for the loss, for they are still in the >family; the Inhabitants of this Country are so cruel as to deprive me of >them, but they were kind enough to give them to Sister Rees, and I am a >Miss from Philadelphia. You may rest Assured I don't take the trouble >to undeceive them, unless Sally (as she often does) Crys out where's my >Ma? The Children are very hearty and bear fatigue much better than we >do, tho' I think we all do wonderfull. You would be astonished to see >the roads we have come, some of which seems impassible. Rachel mostly >passes half the day in Spelling, and Sallie in Singing; every house we >stop at she inquires if it is not a Kentucky house, and seldom leaves it >'til she informs them she is a Kentucky Lady. > >9th - Crossed Sidling hill and were the greatest part of the day in >performing the Journey, the roads being so excessive steep, sidling and >Stony, that it seemed impossible to get along. We were obliged to walk >the greatest part of the way up, tho' not without company; there was >five waggons with us all the morning to different parts. This night our >difficulties began; we were obliged to put up at a Cabin at the foot of >a hill, perhaps a dozen logs put upon one another, with a few slabs for >a roof, and the earth for a floor, and a Wooden Chimney Constituted this >extraordinary Ordinary. The people very kind but amazing dirty. There >was between twenty and thirty of us; all lay on the floor, except Mrs. >Rees, the Children and your Maria, who by our dress or address or >perhaps both, were favored with a bed, and I Assure you that we thought >ourselves lucky to escape being fleaed alive. > >10th - After Breakfasting at this clean house, set off for Bedford. On >our way crossed the Juniata, passed through Bedford, a small country >town, some parts of the road very bad and some of it very pleasant. For >a considerable distance, we travelled along the Juniata, which I thought >very pretty. We put up at a house where were not made very welcome, but >like travellers we learned to bear a few sour looks unnoticed. > >11th - Set off for the Alleghany Mountains, which we began to ascend in >the afternoon; found it as good as any part of our Journey. We ascend >in the waggon, not without fear and trembling, I assure you. We got >about six miles and fell in with a French Gentleman and his family going >to Pittsburgh; we all put up at a little hut on the mountain, which was >so small that we preferred lodging in our waggon to be crowded with >Frenchmen and negros on an earthen floor. > >12th - And pretty comfortably arrived at the top of Cloud-cap't >Alleghany. It was really awfully pleasing to behold the clouds arising >between the mountains at a distance; the day being drisly and the air >very heavy, rendered the clouds so low that we could scarce see fifty >yards before us. This Evening got off the Mountain, it being twenty >miles across. We passed through Burlain, a small town; as the Election >was being held at this place, we could not be accomodated; proceeded to >a Dutch house in the Glades where we were kindly entertained. > >13th - Proceeded to Laurel Creek and Ascended the hill think this and >many more of the scenes we have passed through, we have seen Nature >display'd in her greatest undress, at other times we have seen her >dress'd Beautiful, beyond expression. The road excessive bad, some of >the Land fine, The Timber Excellent, and grows to an Amazing height, the >Generality of it from 50 to 60 feet high. This day by reason of the >Badness of the roads, could not reach a stage, the hill being 20 miles >across and our horses a good deal tired. We in Company with another >waggon were obliged to Encamp in the woods, after a suitable place, at a >convenient distance from a run of water was found, a level piece of >ground was pitched upon for our encampment. Our men went to give >refreshment to the Horses, we Females having a good fire made up, and >set about making Supper, which consisted of an Excellent dish of Coffee, >having milk with us, those who chose had a dish of cold ham and pickled >beets with the addition of Bread, Butter, Biscuit and Cheese, made up >our repast. After supper, Sister, the Children, and myself took up our >lodging in the waggon, the men with their Blankets laid down at the fire >side. The wind being high with some rain, disturbed our repose until >near daylight, when we could have enjoyed a comfortable nap, had we not >been obliged to rise and prepare breakfast, which we did. > >14th - Set out for Chesnut Ridge, horrid roads and the stoniest land in >the world I believe; every few hundred yards, rocks big enough to build >a small house upon. We arrived at Chenys Mill towards the middle of >the day and parted with our company. Chenys mill is a beautiful >situation, or else the scarcity of such places makes us think that it is >more than it really is. > >We were overtaken by a family who was going our way, which renders it >more Agreeable travelling than by ourselves. I think by this time we >may call ourselves Mountain proof. At the close of the day, we arrived >at a house and thought it prudent to put up for the night. The people >are Scotch Irish, exceedingly kind but surprisingly dirty, we concluded >(as the company that was with us made up 18 besides the family) to lodge >in our waggon which we did. It rained very hard in the night, but we >laid pretty comfortably. >(To be continued) > > > > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >The Fayette County Genealogical Society- http://www.hhs.net/sss/fayette/fcgsinfo.htm > > > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Fw: Mary's Journal Pt. 3 >Oct. 15th - After breakfast we sat off for Miller-Town. You would be >surprised to see the number of pack horses which travel these roads, ten >or twelve in a drove. In going up the North mountain, Betsy took it >into her head to ride a horse back, and Daddy undertook to escort her on >his. In a narrow path, at the edge of a very steep place, they met a >company of packers, when her horse took it into his noddle not to stir >one foot, but stood and received a thump behind from every pack that >pass'd, and whilst Betsy was in a state of the greatest trepidation, >expecting every moment to be thrown from her horse, her Gallant instead >of flying to her assistance stood laughing ready to kill himself at the >fun; but the poor girl really looked pitiable. We put up at a poor >little Cabin, the people very kind, which compensates for every >Inconvenience. > >16th - Mr. [Samuel] Dewees [Marys husband] and my brother rode about 13 >miles to McKee's ferry to see how the waters are, as we are apprehensive >they are too low to go down the river. The weather still fine. > >17th - Left our little Cabin and proceeded to McKee's ferry, where we >staid two days in a little hut, not half so good as the little building >at the upper end of your garden, and thought ourselves happy to meet >with so comfortable a dwelling. > >18th - Our boat being ready, we set off for the river and arrived there >at 12 o'clock and went on board immediately. She lay just below the >mouth of the Youghiogeny which empties into the Monongahela. At 2 >o'clock we push'd down the river very slowly; intend stopping at Fort >Pitt, where we expect to meet the waggon with the rest of our Goods. >Our Boat resembles Noah's Ark not a little. At Sun Set got fast on >Braddock's upper ford, where we staid all that night and 'till 10 >o'clock the next day. > >19th - With the assistance of some people that was coming up in a flat >we got off. The water very low. I am much afraid we shall have a >tedious passage. Our boat is 40 foot long; our room 16 by 12 with a >Comfortable fire place; our bedroom partitioned off with blankets, and >far preferable to the Cabins that we met with after we crossed the >mountains. We are clear of fleas, which I assure you is a great relief, >for we were almost devoured when on Shore. The Monongahela, with the >many colored woods on each side, is Beautiful, and in the Spring must be >delightful. We are now longing for rain as much as we dreaded it on the >Land, for it is impossible to get down until the water raises. We live >entirely Independant, and with that there is a pleasure which Dependants >can never be partakers of. We are all very hearty, nor have I had the >least sign of Sickness since I came on board. May I ever retain a >gratefull sense of the obligation due to the great Creator for His >amazing goodness to me, especially, who had every reason from the first >of the Journey to fear quite the reverse. About 3 o'clock we passed the >field (just short of Turtle Creek) where Braddock fought his famous >battle with the French and Indians, and soon got fast on the lower ford, >but by the agility of our men soon got off. The river about a Quarter >of a mile across. Sammy and Johnny gone ashore for milk. > >20th - Rose as soon as our men had prepared a good fire, got Breakfast, >and Mr. Dewees set off for McKees, where we left the horses on account >of the waters being low; expect to reach Pittsburgh to-night. Just >opposite the hill where General Grant fought his battle with the French >and Indians who were in possession of Fort Pitt at that time. As the >sun was setting hove in sight the Coal Hill and ferry house opposite >Pittsburgh; this hill is amazing huge and affords a vast deal more coal >than can be consumed in that place; what a valuable acquisition it would >be near your City. > >21st - We are now Laying about a mile from Pittsburgh, and have received >several invitations to come on ashore. We have declined all, as the >trunks with our clothes is not come up, and we in our traveling dress, >not fit to make our appearance in that gay place. Just received an >invitation from the French Lady we traveled part of the way with to come >up. Mr. Tilton call'd on us with Mrs. Tilton's Compliments, would be >happy to have us to tea; he left and three French gentlemen and an >Englishman came on board and expressed a great deal of pleasure to see >us so comfortably situated. In the afternoon Mr. and Mrs. O'Harra >waited on us and insisted on our going to their house, which in >Compliance to their several invitations we were obliged to accept, and >find them very polite and agreeable; we staid and Supp'd with them, nor >would they suffer us to go on board while we Continued at this place. > >22nd - Mrs. O'Harra waited on us to Mrs. Tilton's, to Mrs. Nancarrow's >and Mrs. Odderong's, and engaged to tea with Mrs. Tilton. Col. Butler >and his lady waited on us to the Boat, was much delighted with our >Cabin, took a bit of Biscuit and Cheese with a glass of wine and then >returned to dine at Capt. O'Harra's; Spent the afternoon at Mrs. >Tilton's with a roomful of Company, and received several invitations to >spend out time with the Ladys at Pitt. Called on Mrs. Butler and saw a >very handsome parlour, elegantly papered and well furnished, it appeared >more like Philadelphia than any I have seen since I left that place. > >23d - Drank tea at the French ladys with several ladys and gentlemen of >this place. > >24th - The Town all in arms, a report prevailed that a party of Indians >within twenty miles, coming to attack the Town. The drums beating to >Arms, with the Militia collecting from every part of the Town, has I >assure you a very disagreeable appearance. > >25th - Left our hospitable friends Capt. O'Harra and Lady not without >regret, as their polite and friendly Entertainment demands our utmost >gratitude; they waited on us to the boat where we parted forever. Was >much disappointed in sending our letters as the man that was to carry >them set off before the Messenger got back from the boat. About 11 >o'clock A.M. drop'd down the Ohio, and at the distance of a mile and a >half had a full view of Capt. O'Harra's Summer house which stands on the >banks of the Alleghany river, which runs about a hundred yards from the >bottom of their garden. >- >It is the finest situation that I ever Saw; they live at the upper end, >or rather out of the Town, their house in the midst of an orchard of 60 >acres, the only one in that place, from the front of which they have a >full view of the Monongahela, and the Ohio rivers; it is impossible for >the most lively imagination to paint a situation and prospects more >delightful. At the close of the day got to the lower point of McKee's >Island, where we came to anchor under a large rock nearly 60 feet high >having the appearance of just falling in the water; on one side in a >large smooth place are engraved a number of names among which are your >Eliza's and Maria's. >(To be continued) > > > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >Washington County GenWeb Page is: http://www.chartiers.com/ > > > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:19:50 -0700 Subject: Purple Heart Citation of Jesse Gudgel From: W Gudgel Hello Doyal Gudgel, Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I am the Newsletter Chairperson / Editor for the Tri - State Ski Club (Alpine Snow Skiing). The newsletter had to go out and I have been working on it for the last week and a half or so. Everything has to go on four pages which are printed on one sheet of 10.5" x 17" paper. I have been looking at some of Dad's Military Records and have found that even though it does not say in black and white, the records do indicate that my Father was on the USS LSM (R) 195, FRO, SAN FRAN., CALIF. His records include a claim voucher for lost personal items, dated June 26, 1945. It states: *** I, Gudgel, Jesse, MoMM3c USNR, hereby certify that the below list is a correct list of the articles belonging to me which were lost in the disaster to the U.S.S. LSM (R) 195, occurring on 3 May, 1945; that such loss was due to * operations of war and was without fault or negligence on my part, and that no other claim for reimbursement for loss of articles listed hereon was been or will be submitted. *** When this document is compared to his Purple Heart Citation ("received in action against an enemy of the United States on 3 May 1945, in the Ryukyu Islands") and his personal log it would seem to prove that the USS LSM (R) 195 was the ship he was on when he was injured. Mom said she thinks that sounds like the ship Dad said he was on when he was injured. Like most servicemen who have seen the horrors of war ... Dad didn't talk much about his injury or the action he was in. I know that he was on deck standing amongst a group of fellow sailors when a Japanese aircraft rammed his ship. Most of the men in that group were killed instantly. The impact threw Dad into the ocean with burns and shrapnel wounds (some of which he carried with him to the grave) and it was several hours before they were rescued. I remember asking Dad if the aircraft was a Kamikaze pilot and he said he didn't think so. He said he thought it was a regular Japanese Air Force aircraft that our forces had shot up the aircraft and pilot so badly that the pilot knew he was going to die anyhow and decided to take as many of our troops with him as possible, so he rammed the ship. Mom said she thought Dad said it was a Kamikaze. Guess I will have to do more research on this one. For now I am not sure what kind of ship an LSM is. The ship had no listed name on the paperwork I have. You said there were places on the Internet that I could look for information. Could you give me a help with where and maybe some web address if you have any. I want to check paper records at the Public Library too. You mentioned doing an article for the Connections Newsletter ... What kind of an article are you wanting? How detailed so you want it? How may words? How do you want it submitted? When would you need it? If I can find enough information I will try to get an article for you. Have a great day, Bill Gudgel in Evansville, IN Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:59:17 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Fw: Mary's Journal--The end Thanks Linda for producing the diary for us. It was fun to read. I have begun in earnest to get more data on Bucks Co, PA from the 1720s onward and to search out the best source of information on the VA/PA border problem. I am getting ALL the PA Genealogical Magainze articles on CD with an index for their first 100 yrs of publication. That means I will only lack the last 2 yrs of the magazine. Does anyone out there subscribe? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:34:04 EDT Subject: Tawn Gudgel To: ralphj@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Doyal; The best I can do from here at the ranch in Nebraska is to give you Tawn Sue's fathers address. The Tawn Gudgel you referred to is the Tawn Sue Gudgel born in Ainsworth, NE in 1965. Unfortunately, I don't have her address with me. Probably the best bet is to send an e-mail to my Aunt Pearl Brokofsky. I am sure she has the address. Her e-mail address is PYBRO@aol.com. Otherwise you can write to Tawn's father at the following address. Rev. Richard Gudgel, 5031 Pierce St., Omaha, NE 68106-1933. If you would rather wait until I get home in a couple of weeks, I can send it to you then. Dave Gudgel Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:31:55 -0700 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: James DENBO and Nancy WOODFILL >Delivered-To: lex.infi.net%lfinnell@lex.infi.net >X-Received: 26 Sep 1999 13:38:04 GMT >Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:40:05 -0500 >Subject: Re: James DENBO and Nancy WOODFILL >From: "James Denbow" >To: Linda Gudgel Finnell >Phone: 512-471-8512 >Fax: 512-471-6563 >email: jdenbow@mail.utexas.edu > >Dear Linda, > >At the moment, the following paragraph is all I have. Unfortunately, the >person who sent this to me is still trying to remember where he copied it >from. Obviously, any other info or sources you might have on James Denbow >in Penn. would be very interesting to me. My great, great, great, great >grandfather was also James Denbow, who married Mary Smith in Ky. in 1807. >What I don't know is whether he could be the same James Denbow mentioned in >these other accounts. It is possible that he belongs to an earlier >generation. I also believe that Solomon Denbow was my James' father, but I >can't prove it yet. > >> J.B. Woodfill, reportedly wrote the following script describing how a >> district of about 500 acres of land got the name of Denbo. >> >> Sometime in the year 1760 in a farmhouse near the city of Philadelphia, a >> conversation loud and long, was kept up between a middle aged man and a >> stripling of some 18 summers. Thomas Denbo (also spelled Denbeau in early >> documents), for that was his name, was trying to dissuade his son, James, >> from accompanying some families by the names of Woodfield, Crawford, Brown, >> and Wetzel, to cross the mountains to what was then called the territory of >> Virginia on the Monongahela River, now Fayette County, Pennsylvania. Young >> Denbo, like his father, was a good specimen of the hardy pioneers: tall, >> straight and active, muscular but rather spare of flesh. He and been >> reared in the woods, having helped his father clear and improve his land >> and, of course, he was well skilled with the rifle as he was fond of >> hunting as well as wild adventure of every kind...." >> >> The description goes on with a tragic ending for the family e.g. James wife >> and two children were murdered by Indians. It also talks about the Indians >> taking a third girl child into captivity. She grew up and became the wife >> of one of the most powerful chiefs in the section of the country now called >Ohio." > >All the best, > >Jim Denbow > >---------- >>From: Linda Gudgel Finnell >>To: DENBOW-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: James DENBO and Nancy WOODFILL >>Date: Sat, Sep 25, 1999, 9:40 PM >> > >> I am searching for information on James DENBO who marrried Nancy WOODFILL, >> d/o Joseph WOODFILL, Sr. >> >> I have seen reference to a book called From Wales to Indiana by Elfrieda >> Lang, published by Indiana Univ. Press in 1978. Also some info. from >> Chester BRENTON of Spokane, WA about the WOODFILL Family. >> >> My main line of research is the GUDGEL(L)/GUDSHALL family who married into >> the WOODFILL family. It has been told the GUDSHALL's asked James DENBO to >> accompany them on a trip from Philadelphia to Southweatern, PA, prior to >> March, 1768. This GUDSHALL/GUDGEL family settled in Fayette Co., PA near >> Brownsville aft the conclusion of the trip. >> >> Any help appreciated. >> Linda GUDGEL FINNELL >> Woodford Co., KY >> >> >> > > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:32:44 -0700 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: FW: Denbos of Pa/Ky/ In >Delivered-To: lex.infi.net%lfinnell@lex.infi.net >X-Received: 26 Sep 1999 13:41:41 GMT >Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:43:31 -0500 >Subject: FW: Denbos of Pa/Ky/ In >From: "James Denbow" >Old-To: denbowlist >Phone: 512-471-8512 >Fax: 512-471-6563 >email: jdenbow@mail.utexas.edu >Resent-From: DENBOW-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4 > > > >---------- >From: "James Denbow" >To: Joseph M Kendall >Subject: Re: Denbos of Pa/Ky/ In >Date: Fri, Sep 24, 1999, 11:56 AM > > >Thanks Joe, > > >> I believe you are on the right track. Is your James the James Denbow in >> Crawford county in the 1860 census? Age 68 born in Ky? >I SUSPECT it must be because the family did move into Crawford co. at one >point, where a son, Isaac, was hit on the head by a tree limb and left >mentally deficient. Family records indicate he died at an old age in a poor >house in Harrison, Co., Ind. So perhaps his father stayed in Indiana with >him. My Solomon married Sarah Elizabeth Cubbage in Crawford Co. in 1827 and >then moved to Knox co. Illinois. Shortly afterward, the cubbages (Sarah's >parents) also moved there and lived next to them. I have a family letter >written by one of Solomon and Sarah's children, Robert, in 1911 outlining >this part of the history. > > > The only >> three Denbos I have ever found in Ky were Robert, Denbo, and Soloman. I >> know that James was associated with the family of Robert and Joseph. I >> know he was not the son of either Robert or Joseph; that only leaves >> Soloman. I also believe that I found Soloman in Hardin county ky.in the >> 1800"s. > >The Shelby Co., Ky. marriage lists for 1792-1830 list the following Denbows: > >1. Sally Denbo, dau. of Solomon Denbo, married to John Crawford Dec. 3, 1972 >witnessed by John Riley > >2. Nancy Denbo married William Crawford Sept 22, 1796, witnessed by James >Dooley > >3. Robert Denbow married Mary Ann Crawford Feb. 27, 1797, witnessed by >William Crawford. > >4. Betsey Denbow, dau. of Solomon Denbow married James Duley on March 1, >1796, witnessed by John Crawfod > >In Marriage bonds of Hardin County, ky. 1792 -1812 I have the following: > >1) James Denbo married mary smith. Surety John Smith. February 2, 1807. > >2) Joseph Denbow married Elizabeth Tucker, dau. of Jacob tucker, surety by >William tucker. Feb. 15, 1801. Is this the same Joseph as the one listed >below 12 years later as Solomon's son -- or is it a different Joseph living >in the same county? > >> >Lastly, from the Hardin County,KY. marriage bonds from 1813 - 1822 I have >found: > >1) Jesse Denbo, married Nancy Vandegraft. Surety by Samuel Vandegraft. >Nov. 27, 1819. > >2) Joseph Denbo married Polly Summers. Surety by james Dooley. Consent >for the groom is singed by his father, Sollomon Denbo. Witnesses were >William Caldwell, John Larkin and James Duly. Sept. 11, 1813. > >So there appears to be a possibility that there are two Joseph Denbows of >about the same age in this area at the same time. Or are they one and the >same? If the later, then this document would indicate Solomon Denbo, not >Robert, as the father. > > >> I an not sure who the Robert Denbow was in the militia list with Soloman >> in 1782. Too old to be my Robert. I have heard of the massacrre of the >> Denbow family in Westmorland county Pa in 1775. The only problem is that >> Robert is said not to be heard from again and that most of the children >> were killed. Obviously he is still alive 7 years later and hasn't moved. >> Just as obviously the three Denbo children; Robert, Joseph and Nancy ( >> and possibly Soloman) are still alive and not killed by the indians. > >Do you have a source for this Woodfil information., Joe. Here is the text >of what someone else sent me, which says that it was James', not Robert's >family, that was decimated. But he could not say where he copied the >information from. I do know that probably this same Robert was in the >militia that later attacked the wrong Indian camp, resulting in the >Gnudenhutten massacre. > >> J.B. Woodfill, reportedly wrote the following script describing how a >> district of about 500 acres of land got the name of Denbo. >> >> Sometime in the year 1760 in a farmhouse near the city of Philadelphia, a >> conversation loud and long, was kept up between a middle aged man and a >> stripling of some 18 summers. Thomas Denbo (also spelled Denbeau in early >> documents), for that was his name, was trying to dissuade his son, James, >> from accompanying some families by the names of Woodfield, Crawford, Brown, >> and Wetzel, to cross the mountains to what was then called the territory of >> Virginia on the Monongahela River, now Fayette County, Pennsylvania. Young >> Denbo, like his father, was a good specimen of the hardy pioneers: tall, >> straight and active, muscular but rather spare of flesh. He and been >> reared in the woods, having helped his father clear and improve his land >> and, of course, he was well skilled with the rifle as he was fond of >> hunting as well as wild adventure of every kind...." >> >> The description goes on with a tragic ending for the family e.g. James wife >> and two children were murdered by Indians. It also talks about the Indians >> taking a third girl child into captivity. She grew up and became the wife >> of one of the most powerful chiefs in the section of the country now called >Ohio." > >> >> The story was told by the daughter who was captured and raised by the >> indians. Could be she thought they were all dead. But; then the people >> she told it to were here Woodfill relatives; who should have known >> better. Nancy Woodfill Denbo is said to buried in a specific place. >> Joseph Denbo had a son named Woodlfill Denbo. Who then was the Ann ( >> Nancy ) Denbo in the Scott county tax list? > >Could she be the Nancy of the Shelby co. marriage lists above who had >married william Crawford in 1796? Could this be Nancy marrying for a seonc >time? > >Could this be Older sister >> Nancy who was taking care of her younger brothers? > >Too bad for you that you ran into a real nightmare of Denbos with the same >names in the same places at the same times. Let me know you thoughts. > >All the best, > >Jim > > > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:35:06 -0700 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: WOODFILL/GUDGEL CONNECTION TO DENBO FAMILY Hi folks- There is a new mail list now for DENBO/DENBOW, etc. on rootsweb. For those interested in the WOODFILL/WOODFILED line connected to our GUDGEL's you might check it out. James DENBO married Nancy WOODFILL. I am forwarding several emails I received in answer to a query I had sent. I haven't had time to respond to them so let me know if any of you contact these people. TTYL, Linda Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:37:18 -0700 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: FW: Denbos of Pa/Ky/ In >Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:44:15 -0500 >Subject: FW: Denbos of Pa/Ky/ In >From: "James Denbow" >Phone: 512-471-8512 >Fax: 512-471-6563 >email: jdenbow@mail.utexas.edu >To: DENBOW-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: DENBOW-L@rootsweb.com > > > >---------- >From: "James Denbow" >To: Joseph M Kendall >Subject: Re: Denbos of Pa/Ky/ In >Date: Fri, Sep 24, 1999, 7:14 AM > > >Hi, > >I would be very interested in the law suit for Solomon Denbo, whose name was >also spelled Denbow and Denbeau. My great, great, great grandfather was >also named Solomon Denbow. His father was James Denbow who was married to >Mary Smith in Kentucky in 1807. I suspect, but cannot prove, that the >Solomon you refer to was James' father. So anything you have on him would >be very interesting. BTW Solomon Denbow was also in the same Penn. militia >company as Robert Denbow in 1782. > >Thanks for the info. > >Jim Denbow >> Anyone out there interested? I could dust off my notes. Also found a law >> suit in Jefferson county Ky with Soloman Denbo. There is a note in there >> that is signed by him DENBO. >> > > > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:38:02 -0700 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: James DENBO and Nancy WOODFILL >Reply-To: "Carl J. Denbow" >From: denbow@fptoday.com (Denbow, Carl) >To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" >References: <199909260240.TAA23352@bl-3.rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: James DENBO and Nancy WOODFILL >Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:03:28 -0400 > >Linda, > >I have a fair amount about the Denbo(w) family in this area of Pennsylvania. >We've had two articles in recent editions of the Denbow Diaspora Newsletter >that I'm the co-editor of on this topic. I've pasted the text below. >There's an interesting story from a history of the California, Pa, Area that >tells about Nancy Woodfill (Woodfield) marrying a James Denbow (son of a Tom >Denbow). I hope this is of interest to you. > >Carl > >================================== >Here's an article by James Denbow of Texas that appeared in the May 1998 >issue: > > A few days ago a friend gave me a computer program called "StreetsPlus" >that came with a new computer he had just bought. Of course, what should I >do to try it out but type in the Denbow name to see what comes up. I >expected to find quite a few places in New Hampshire and Maine named after >Denbows, but there was only one -- in Durham, N.H.near where the original >Salathiel Denbow settled in the 1660s. There were also a few Denbow roads >and lanes in Arkansas and Missouri, all near places where I had received >letters from Denbow relatives and distant cousins over the past few years. >So these I could also connect with local and more recent histories in my >mind. > The puzzle came when the map brought up two different spellings of the >Denbow name - Denbo and Denbeau Heights - within two miles of one another on >the banks of the Monongahela River in southwestern Pennsylvania. These place >names are in Washington County south of Pittsburgh - a region where I had >earlier discovered a brief reference to two Denbows, Solomon and Robert, in >the Militia there in 1778-80. In looking back over our very first issue of >the Denbow Diaspora I found that I had mentioned these two people when I >noted that "several New Hampshire records indicate that a Solomon of about >the right age was born to Elijah Denbow in about 1760. This Solomon had no >brothers named Robert that I can find, however." > I don't know of any Denbows presently in Pennsylvania who claim this >small area overlooking the Monongahela River as their family home, so >perhaps these place names relate to this early period just after the >Revolutionary war when soldiers were promised free land in the west. The >fact that these two places (I believe they are both hills or hilltops) are >only about half a mile off the Old National Pike road lends some credence to >the possibility that they were occupied and given their names during this >period. Unfortunately, in 1993, my cousin Florence Denbow wrote to me about >these two men and this general area, saying "I have been to the Washington >Co. Penn. courthouse looking for land records in the Denbow name. I find >nothing helpful. My search hasn't gone past that much. I believe Robert >and Solomon were brothers, sons of perhaps a John of Philadelphia. And >there might be the tie to Maryland." > But here to me is the puzzle. Why in both the printed records of the >Pennsylvania Militia, and in the place names for two adjacent locations, do >we find two such distinctive spellings of the Denbow name preserved? The >Pennsylvania archives list both Solomon Denbow and Robert Denbo in the same >Washington Co. Militia Company under Lt. Everhart Hoop. Solomon served as a >sergeant while Robert is listed as "Pvt., 4th class." The company these men >served in was small, so why does there seem to have been care taken to spell >the name differently if the two men were related? The same thing for the >map puzzle: why should two such distinct spellings be preserved for places >less than two miles apart unless there was some desire to emphasize the >difference in origins or ancestry of these two men who seem to have spent >considerable time together in the military and who appear to have moved >westward together into Kentucky a decade later. > If the different spellings were intentional rather than accidental, >then it may also be significant that Solomon Denbeau is listed once on a >Shelby Co. Kentucky tax list for 8/25/1800. Could Denbeau Heights in >Pennsylvania be named for Solomon, while the nearby Denbo road and Denbo >Hill are named for Robert? And could the choices of these different name >spellings have been intentional indexes of separate family origins for these >two men? If Solomon and Robert were not related by blood, then who was >Solomon? > The French spelling of the name as Denbeau is particularly intriguing. >It is also very rare. The fact that it appears, probably for the same man, >Solomon, in both Pennsylvania and Kentucky suggests that this spelling may >actually form part of the family history itself. Could Solomon have married >someone of French or French-Canadian ancestry? Or could someone in the >family have learned to spell the name from a French or French-Canadian >source? > The only other record of a Solomon Denbow I have come across was a child of >Elijah Denbow of New Hampshire born about 1760. This would have made him >the right age to be the Solomon of Pennsylvania and Kentucky who had >daughters of marriageable age in the 1790s. Would anyone of this branch >have been in a position to have been influenced by French-Canadian spellings >of the name? Astonishingly, the answer is Yes! > In 1757, just before Solomon was born, an Elijah Denbow was taken >captive at Fort William Henry and carried to Mont Royal in Canada "where he >was about three weeks & from thence was carried by the Indians into the >Indian Country where they kept him about a fortnight & then he made his >Escape from them & Returned to Mont Royal from whence he was Immediately >transported down to Quebeck where he was Tweny on Months . . . " Twenty >months in a prison in Quebec is certainly enough time to learn to spell ones >name, and to learn to spell in it French orthography as well. > So the "story" suggested by the place name puzzle is that two Denbows >from separate family origins find themselves in the same militia company and >area after the Revolutionary War. They become friends and eventually travel >together to Kentucky. But they both know they come from different Denbow >stock (remember this is only 3 to 4 generations from the original Denbow >founders: John and Salathiel), so one of these men experiments for a time >with spellings such as Denbow and Denbeau, while the other uses Denbo, in >recognition of their different origins. In support of this hypothesis, we >have one other instance where the unusual Denbeau spelling is associated >with Solomon's name in Kentucky, and a possible historical connection >between a Solomon Denbow and French Canada through the New Hampshire Elijah >Denbow's two-year captivity there. > This, of course, is all speculation brought about by the chance >preservation of two very distinct spellings of the Denbow name within a few >miles of one another. But it is well known that place names often preserve >bits of interesting history, and the contradiction between these two >spellings could just be one of those cases. Maybe someone who lives nearer >this area could go to Denbeau Heights and the nearby Denbo to have a look >and ask questions about local history. The map suggests that the intrepid >traveler might at the very least be rewarded with a pleasant view over the >Monongahela valley from this spot. They might also be lucky enough to >unravel two of the biggest mysteries of the Denbow name: what was the >relationship between the Denbows of Kentucky and the Denbos of Indiana in >the early 1800s? And from which branch of the family - New Hampshire or >Maryland - do the Iowa Denbows come? Good luck! > =================================== > >Here's an article that I wrote after we made a "field trip" to Denbo, Pa., >during one of our reunion weekends: > > On Sunday morning, Aug. 2, 1998, several "hard core" Denbow >genealogists set out from the banks of the Tuscawaras in Dover, Ohio, for >the exotic destination of Denbo, Pa., on the banks of the historic >Monongahela. We wondered, as James Denbow had speculated in the last >edition of The Denbow Diaspora, could this little hamlet hold the key to >unraveling the connections between the Denbo, Denbow and Denbeau(x) name. >To be succinct, the answer we discovered is a definite maybe. > Denbo is a quaint little settlement in the coal fields of Western >Pennsylvania. It is located a few miles from California, Pa., the home of >California University of Pennsylvania, in what the U.S. Geological Survey >calls the "California Quadrangle." Our first stop was in California, where >we set out for the university library to try to find out what its holdings >would tell us about local history. One interesting entry was in a Master's >thesis entitled, Why is your town called that? An Onomastical Study of >Washington County, Pennsylvania, by Kimberly Jo Shorts. The entry under >Denbo reads thusly: > "Denbo (Denbeau) (West Pike Run, 3) -- In approximately 1760, James >Denbo married Nancy Woodfield and made their home in an area to which >Indians still claimed. A year later, Nancy's brother, Joseph Woodfield, >built a cabin nearby. After returning from a hunting trip, Joseph >instructed Nancy to cook some of the best game while he went to invite >Joseph. Upon returning home they found the house was filled with savages >while Mrs. Denbo did her best to serve them perpared food. The Indians took >everything that they cared to and left. The savages repaid them by sending >them venison and other foods, and they continued to raid the farmhouse with >more frequency. After eight years or so, Mr. and Mrs. Denbo had three >children, and one day James went on a hunting expedition. He returned to >find his house robbed, and his wife and two children dead in the ashes of >their home. The oldest girl, who was about eight years old, had been taken >by the Indians. James wandered off and was never seen again, and his eldest >daughter grew to marry one of the most powerful chiefs in (what is now) >Ohio. The community was named for this family that was associated with the >area." > This is all very interesting, but these new facts seem to just compound >the mystery rather than help solve it. Who in the world is this James >Denbo? In the last issue (Vol 5. No. 1) Co-editor James Denbow speculated >that Denbo, Pa., might be named for a Robert Denbo who served out of >Washington County (where Denbo is located) in the Pennsylvania Militia with >a Solomon Denbow (who may have later appeared in a 1800 Kentucky tax record >as Solomon Denbeau), for whom our latter-day James speculated that nearby >Denbeau Heights might have been named. Now consider this: Solomon Denbow >was born about 1760. One would assume that Robert would be about the same >age, or perhaps younger since Solomon was a sergeant in the militia and >Robert a private. This would mean that this new-found James, who was >marrying Miss Woodfield in about 1760, could have been the father, or uncle >of Robert and/or Solomon. Confused? If not, you certainly should be! > The question now is, "Where do we go from here?" It would be useful, >I'd suggest, to see if any pension records exist for either of these >Pennsylvania militia boys. Would they have served in the War of 1812? >Solomon would presumably have been in his 50s at that time, and, as I said, >Robert may have been somewhat younger. If so, there's a chance that some >record might be available that would shed light on these gentlemen and their >life stories. Bonnie Denbow Miller was able to retrieve War of 1812 records >on her g3grandfather Bazeleel Denbow (1794-1857) which contained such >interesting information as his wife's name, and some documents related to >"bounty land" he claimed as a result of War of 1812 service. Could we be so >lucky on Solomon or Robert? Maybe Bonnie will lend us a hand on checking >for these records? Giving assignments to Denbow researchers is part of my >job, isn't it? > Our search in the university library in California was hindered by the >fact that the library had only recently decentralized their local history >collection and placed these materials in the general stacks rather than in >local history room, as had been the case previously. Some of books and >other documents did not seem to have yet found their way to their new home. > We did, however, uncover one additional bit of information on Robert >Denbo. He is listed as having been a Frontier Ranger who participated in >the Indian Wars from the time of the Revolution until 1783, when hostilities >ceased. He served under Colonel Williamson in the tragic massacre of the >Moravian Christian Indians in the Ohio Territory at Gnadenhutten in 1782. >According to the introduction of the Alphabetical List of Rangers of >Washington County, Pennsylvania, the populace in Western Pennsylvania >believed that these Indians had aided the Pennsylvanian Indians in making >war on them. The specific incident that led to the massacre was the >aduction of a Mrs. Robert Wallace and her children from Washington County. >The massacre was touched off, according to the document, when the "lifeless >naked body [of Mrs. Wallace] was found impaled on a sapling along the trail >to Gnadenhutten. Colonel Williamson's party summarily massacred 96 of the >christian Indians with hatchets." Well, I never promised you that all >Denbow genealogy would be pretty. Facts are facts and the Denbow Diaspora >is committed to reporting them, "warts and all"! > As you will note from the accompanying pictures, we had a good time in >Denbo. We talked to a number of people, none of whom really knew much about >local history. One lawyer, who we were told was the local history expert, >was away on vacation. We left a message on his doorstep but have heard >nothing in reply to questions we ask in our note. I have since misplaced >the slip of paper on which I wrote his name and address. If any of the >other intrepid Denbows on this trip still have that information, perhaps a >nice letter to remind him that we are still interested in corresponding with >him on these issues, would be in order. > As one can readily see from this short article, much research on our >family history remains to be done in Western Pennsylvania. > >============================== > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda Gudgel Finnell >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 10:40 PM >Subject: James DENBO and Nancy WOODFILL > > >> I am searching for information on James DENBO who marrried Nancy WOODFILL, >> d/o Joseph WOODFILL, Sr. >> >> I have seen reference to a book called From Wales to Indiana by Elfrieda >> Lang, published by Indiana Univ. Press in 1978. Also some info. from >> Chester BRENTON of Spokane, WA about the WOODFILL Family. >> >> My main line of research is the GUDGEL(L)/GUDSHALL family who married into >> the WOODFILL family. It has been told the GUDSHALL's asked James DENBO >to >> accompany them on a trip from Philadelphia to Southweatern, PA, prior to >> March, 1768. This GUDSHALL/GUDGEL family settled in Fayette Co., PA near >> Brownsville aft the conclusion of the trip. >> >> Any help appreciated. >> Linda GUDGEL FINNELL >> Woodford Co., KY >> >> >> > > > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:15:02 -0800 From: Dianne Subject: Re: FW: Denbos of Pa/Ky/ In Linda, Great that you connected with the Denbo line. Looks like we might have some good leads here. I certainly know the Crawford name was connected with Old Andrew in Fayette Co, PA as he had land near Crawford and may have sold his land to Crawford when he left. I am sure I have papers on this and have written on it before if my memory doesn't fail me. I would like Daniela to have some input on this as she is a Woodfill descendent. Hope she might still be with us. If not, I will send it to her. She has done a lot of work on this line. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:59:15 -0400 From: Lane Lance Subject: FW: [LANE-L] DAR entries--John Lane #20 Hi Gudgel cousins, I was looking through some of my old genealogy file tonight and ran across this one. The 6th entry down has reference to an Elizabeth Gottshall and her father Macheal Gottshall and his part in the revolutionary war. Wonder if it fits anywhere? Debbie -----Original Message----- From: Janeen1@aol.com [mailto:Janeen1@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 4:11 PM To: LANE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LANE-L] DAR entries-John Lane #20 DAR Lineage Books (121 vols) Database Description and Important Note FieldSearchMatches[Any]LANE861[Any]JOHN46899 398 Combined Matches Previous Hits Next Hits The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 63 Mrs. Emma A. Thompson Kimber. DAR ID Number: 62948 Born in Adams County, Ill. Wife of Richard M. Kimber. Descendant of James Kirkpatrick, of South Carolina. Daughter of Lorenzo Dorn Thompson and Mary Ann Kirkpatrick, his wife. Granddaughter of Augustus Browning Kirkpatrick (1800-79) and Elizabeth Smith, his wife. Gr-granddaughter of John Kirkpatrick (1774-1807) and Winifred Lane, his wife. Gr-gr-granddaughter of James Kirkpatrick and Susannah Gilham, his wife. James Kirkpatrick (1743-79) served as a private in Capt. Felix Warley's company, Col. William Thompson's regiment, South Carolina Continental Line. While home on furlough he was shot and instantly killed by a Tory, who fired through a window. Also No. 26753. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 64 page 169 Mrs. Irene Dixon Moseley. DAR ID Number: 63514 Born in Henderson County, Ky. Wife of W. Glass Moseley. Descendant of Col. Henry Dixon, 1st, and of Nancy Morgan Hart. Daughter of John Ed. Dixon and Mary Coleman Sugg, his wife. Granddaughter of Henry Dixon, 3rd, and Ann Maria Ashby, his wife; Wiley Sugg and Kezia Hart, his wife. Gr-granddaughter of Henry Dixon, 2nd, and Mary Johnson, his wife; John Hart and Patience Lane, his wife. Gr-gr-granddaughter of Henry (Hal) Dixon, 1st, and Frances Wynne, his wife; Benjamin Hart and Nancy Morgan, his wife. Henry Dixon, 1st (1750-82), in 1775 entered the army as captain of the first regiment. By precept and example to his troops he inspired [p.169] them with courage, and his soldiers in affection called him "Hal." Among the shattered legions of Gates at Camden, when his command was driven back, he would not retreat, but sabered his way through foes on all sides. He served as inspector general after Greene succeeded Gates, and was in the battles of Wetzell's Mills, Guilford, and Eutaw. He was born and died in Caswell County, N. C. Also Nos. 12084, 50297. Nancy Morgan Hart was a patriotic woman of courage, and by her own efforts arrested a band of six Tories, who had come to her house to capture Whigs and hang or drive them out of the country. Also No. 47667. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 65 Miss Grace Raymond. DAR ID Number: 64049 Born in Franklin County, Iowa. Descendant of Lemuel Raymond. Daughter of Levi Beardsley Raymond (b. 1838) and Mary Leverick (b. 1844), his wife, m. 1864. Granddaughter of Hiram Raymond (1799-1888) and Elizabeth Lane (1806-72), his wife, m. 1831. Gr-granddaughter of Lemuel Raymond and Hannah Underwood (1759-1806), his wife, m. 1782. Lemuel Raymond (1759-1829) served as a private in Col. John Brown's regiment of Berkshire County, Massachusetts militia, and was wounded at Half Moon. He was born in Richmond, Mass.; died in Huron, Ohio. Also No. 31185. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 65 page 97 Mrs. Miriam C. Ostrom Baird. DAR ID Number: 64281 Born in Glen, N. Y. Wife of W. Hoagland Baird. Descendant of Capt. Henry Ostrom, of New York. Daughter of Stephen Ostrom (1812-86) and Anna Maria Edwards, his 2nd wife. Granddaughter of John Ostrom (1764-1846) and Anne Lane (1765-1830), his wife, m. 1787. [p.97] Gr-granddaughter of Henry Ostrom and Abigail Davenport (b. 1748), his wife, m. 1763. Henry Ostrom (1741-97) commanded a company in the Albany County militia under Col. Philip P. Schuyler. He was born in Holland; died in Schenectady, N. Y. Also No. 32621. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 65 Mrs. Jessie Cooper Lane. DAR ID Number: 64482 Born in St. Joseph, Mich. Wife of Dr. Hiram Herbert Lane. Descendant of Capt. Samuel Thrall, Capt. Zimri Haywood, Thomas Clarke, and Capt. Samuel Gilman. Daughter of Henry S. Cooper (b. 1858) and Roberta May Stratton (b. 1860), his wife, m. 1879. Granddaughter of Samuel Thrall Cooper (1824-92) and Mary Ward (b. 1833), his wife; Robert F. Stratton (b. 1831) and Cornelia Jane Chapman (b. 1842), his wife, m. 1859. Gr-granddaughter of Samuel C. Cooper (b. 1799) and Caroline Thrall, his wife; William Stratton (1781-1849) and Abbie May Clarke (1788-1878), his wife, m. 1809; Daniel Chapman and Martha J. Langley, his wife. Gr-gr-granddaughter of Eliphas Thrall (1767-1843) and Polly Mead (1774-1841), his wife; Hezekiah Stratton (1746-1834) and Eunice Haywood (1760-1836), his wife, m. 1778; Thomas Clarke and Lois Williams (1756-1838), his wife, m. 1777; Samuel Langley and Sarah Hilton, his wife. Gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of Samuel Thrall and Lucy Winchell, his wife; Zimri Haywood and Jane Foster (b. 1753), his wife; Andrew Hilton and Deborah Gilman, his wife. Gr-gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of Samuel Gilman and Deborah Fowler, his 1st wife. Samuel Thrall (1737-1821), who had served in the early wars, was quartermaster in the Hampshire County militia, 1776, under Col. Timothy Robinson. He commanded a company of Levies in the Mohawk Valley under Col. Marinus Willett. He was born in Windsor, Conn.; died in West Rutland, Vt. Also No. 31363. Zimri Haywood (1731-1814) was a member of the Committee of Safety and chosen captain, 1776, of the 6th company, Massachusetts militia. He was born in Dorchester, Mass.; died in Winslow, Me. Thomas Clarke (1750-1802) was a minute man from Roxbury, Mass., 1776, in Capt. John Bridge's company. He was born in Boston. Samuel Gilman (1725-78) served as a member of the Committee of Safety and as captain of militia. He was born in Gilmanton; died in New Market, N. H. Also No. 43419. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 65 Mrs. Catherine Schuyler Frick Cope. DAR ID Number: 64799 Born in Philadelphia, Pa. Wife of C. S. Cope. Descendant of Machael Gotshall. Daughter of William Russell Frick and Emma Louise Tyler, his wife. Granddaughter of Jacob G. Frick and Catherine Schuyler, his wife. Gr-granddaughter of John Frick and Elizabeth Gotshall, his wife. Gr-gr-granddaughter of Machael Gotshall and Catherine Motler, his wife. Machael Gotshall (1732-1818) in 1776 served in the Jerseys in Capt. Barnard Zimmerman's company, Col. Mathias Slough's regiment of Pennsylvania militia. He was born in Lane County; died in Chillesqua, Pa. Also No. 12332. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 66 Mrs. Minnie Harwell Parker Krauss. DAR ID Number: 65133 Born in Sumter, Ga. Wife of Daniel W. Krauss. Descendant of Jesse Lane and of Capt. Moses Way. Daughter of T. S. Lane Harwell (1824-95) and Jane Rebecca Shepard (1833-98), his wife, m. 1852. Granddaughter of Vines Harwell (1800-60) and Mary Lane (1799-1873), his wife, m. 1823; Thomas J. Shepard (1803-73) and Serena Way, his wife. Gr-granddaughter of Jonathan Lane (b. 1767) and Mary Colley, his 2nd wife; John Way (b. 1776) and Rebecca Jones (b. 1792), his wife, m. 1807. Gr-gr-granddaughter of Jesse Lane and Winifred Aycock, his wife; Samuel Jones (b. 1767) and Mary Way (b. 1767), his wife, m. 1787. Gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of Moses Way and Ann Winn (d. 1790), his wife, m. 1766. Jesse Lane (1733-1806) served as a private in the North Carolina Line. He was born in Halifax, N. C.; died in St. Louis, Mo. Also No. 33257. Moses Way (1734-86) was appointed by the Governor, captain of Liberty County militia, 1777. He died in Liberty County, Ga. Also No. 42171. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 66 Mrs. Fannie Skinner Clark. DAR ID Number: 65546 Born in Quincy, Ill. Wife of James William Clark. Descendant of John Clark and of Capt. Richard Skinner. Daughter of Augustus C. Skinner and Fannie Lane, his wife. Granddaughter of Philip Skinner and Harriet Kelly, his wife. Gr-granddaughter of Richard Skinner (1769-1850) and Jane Clark (1774-1843), his wife, m. 1796. Gr-gr-granddaughter of Richard Skinner and Sarah Britton, his wife; John Clark and Rachel Corson, his wife. John Clark (1750-1806) served in the New Jersey militia and also in the Continental Army. He was born and died in Wheatsheaf, N. J. Richard Skinner (1740-79) served as sergeant, ensign, and captain in the Middlesex County, New Jersey militia, 1777-79. He was born and died in Woodbridge, N. J. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 66 Mrs. Susan B. Cross Jansen. DAR ID Number: 65559 Born in Montgomery County, N. Y. Wife of Frederick I. Jansen, M. D. Descendant of Capt. Henry Ostrom. Daughter of Walter B. Cross (b. 1846) and Elizabeth Ostrom (b. 1845), his wife, m. 1869. Granddaughter of Stephen Ostrom (1812-86) and Anna Maria Edwards (1818-99), his wife, m. 1839. Gr-granddaughter of John Ostrom (1764-1846) and Anna Lane (1765-1830), his wife, m. 1787. Gr-gr-granddaughter of Henry Ostrom and Abigail Davenport (b. 1748), his wife, m. 1763. Henry Ostrom (1741-97) commanded a company in the Albany County militia under Col. Philip P. Schuyler. He was born in Holland; died in Schenectady, N. Y. Also Nos. 32621, 64281. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 66 Mrs. Celia Jane Hord Kenny. DAR ID Number: 65662 Born in Matamoras, Mexico. Wife of John E. Kenny. Descendant of Lieut. John Hord and of Peter Stryker. Daughter of Edward Rowzee Hord and Sarah Ann Stryker, his wife. Granddaughter of Robert Hord (1795-1845) and Celia Jane Stuart Foote, his wife, m. 1817; John Stryker (b. 1803) and Jane Lane, his wife. Gr-granddaughter of John Hord and Margaret Hawkins, his 2nd wife; Peter Stryker and Sarah Barkaloo, his wife. John Hord was lieutenant of the 4th Continental Dragoons, 1777, Virginia Line. He was born, 1739; died about 1800 in Caroline County, Va. Peter Stryker (1763-1847) served as fifer in Capt. Ten Eyck's company, 1st battalion, Somerset County, New Jersey militia. He was born in New Brunswick; died in Newark, N. J. Click to view full context ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________ Viewing records 191-200 of 398 Previous Next ==== LANE Mailing List ==== Lane Descendants Newsletter: http://WWW.genweb.net/~bowers/lane/index.shtml Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Denbo(w) notes I'm forwarding a couple of more notes from the DENBO mail list which mentions WOODFILL's and GUDSHALL's. Thanks, Linda > >A. ( From an unsourced photocopy of what looks like a county history?) >Taylor Cemetery: Taylowr Cemetery is located inWest Pike Rune Township >along Rout 40, 4 miles west fo Brownsville PA. This cemetary had its >start on a day in the year of October 1774. > >There was an indian raid that day on a cabin near what is now called >Denbo.The family of James Denbo lived int he Cabin. James Denbo was away >from Home for several days. Upon his return home he found his wife, Nancy >Woodfill Denbo and Two ( other accounts say three) of his four children >dead killed by indians,and the other tow children gone , carried off by >the the indians. The father setoff to look for his children never to be >seen again. > >Joseph Woodfill, brother of Nancy , and some of the neighbors carried the >bodies to where Taylor Church now stands and buried them inthe rear of >the church which had been built two years ealier in 1772. > >On Sep. 20. 1798 Joseph Woodfill died and was buried near his sister >Nancy Denbo. It is said that he was the first man buried in the cemetary. > > >B. From corespondence with Roger Glitz of Leavenworth Indiana. Robert >Denbo was born March 13, 1777 and died Dec. 26, 1817 at a "Tree falling". > >C. From Correspondence of Mary Lou Doyle: Joseph Denbo was born April 3, >1779 in Pa. and died Sep. 3, 1851. > >D. From a FGS of Eleanor Ashton Griffen of Corydon Indiana. >John Denbo married Nancy Woodfill and had: >Rachel married Danial Funk >Mary Denbo married William Duley >Nancy married John Highfill >Robert Denbo married MaryAnn Crawford >Joseph Denbo married Elizabeth Tucker > >E. "Early Methodist Circuits on the Upper Ohio" p. 136; "The Woodfields >came into East Bethleham before 1780. There is a record of six children >of Joseph Woodfield Sr.: > >1. Nancy , killed by indians , mar. Jas Denbo >2.Dau mar. Somers >3. Joseph mar. Cathrine Gudshall ( 1761-1828) >4. Gabriel marr. Susanah Gudshall >5. Daniel Mar. Elizabeth Godshall >6. John -killed by indians. > >F. I have notes on a lawsuit in Jefferson county Ky. where Soloman Denbo >signs a note Denbo. This is an orginal Note writen by Soloman. > I have copies of Petitons signed by Robert and Joseph Denbo, signed >Denbo >I also have notes from Augusta county Va. ( which claimed this part of >Pa. ) Where Robert Denbo was involved in a Land transaction in 1773. > >More later. > >Joe Kendall > > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:51:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Elijah Denbow >Read with interest your comments concering Elijah Denbo. That reminded me >of the "Great Elijah Denbo" debate in my own family. > >Seems that a few ,older, members of the family got into the DAR on >Elijahs record. There is even a headstone in Crawford county Ind. with >his name on it. This was accepted for years. Then a few of the more >investigativly inclined, looked into it, when a descepency crept up. > >The investigation showed that Elijah was never in Indiana, and that the >whole thing was , almost certinaly , a forgery. This caused a BIG rift in >the family. He who dares to upset a DAR application........ > >I bring this up in case we get some newbys in here that find the DAR >records, the headstone ( admittedly a good peice of evidence, we still >don't know who , if anyone is buried there) and come to the wrong >conclusion. > >By the way the forgery seems to have been perpatrated by an illigitimate >Denbo who was writting a history of the family ( and who shall remain >namless, I like my house), and not by the DAR applicants; who simply took >the authors evidence. > >Joe Kendall > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:52:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: More Misc. notes > >A. "History of Fayatte County Pa" p. 422 >( From the records of Augusta county Pa. now on file in Washington Pa) >"On the 28thof Sep. 1773 Robert Denbow deeded Michael Cresap, ' for the >condsideration of 15 pounds, Pa money, a tarct of land in Westmoreland >county adjoing lands of David Rogers and Joseph Branton(Brinton?) on >Monongahela , being apart of a larger tract of land I ( Denbow) purchased >of James Branton, and containg by estimation 250 acres" Witn George >Brant, Joseph Doresy, and Henry Branton." > >Robert Denbow witnessed by Mark the deed of James Brinton of Augusta >county Va , Monongehala Settlement to Michael Cresap Sr. Adj. John >Adams, Edward Dorsey, Thomas Brown, and Edward White ; Sept. 5 , 1775. > >B.On the before mentioned Militia List of 1782 ( Washington county), by >Jim Denbow. It should be noted that Joseph Woodfield is listed as one of >the privates in the first class. Other names of interest include Joseph >Dorsey ( Same as the Witn above?); and James Carr ( I believe that he >has been identified as the same James Carr that turns up in Harrsion >county Indiana in 1810). > >C. Pa Archives third series v. 22 p. 448: Rob't Dinbo (sic). No Soloman , >no Dorsey. However: Nicholas Hosteter is on both this list and the one >above. Peter Copperight is on this list. > >D. Westmorland county Pa supply tax 1783-85 , Manallen Township (SLC # >1027065, forget which item number). Robert Denbo 3 shiilling and 3 pence >state tax ( he was really poor). He is on the list of "Family men" as >single men were listed seperatly. So this Robert Denbow was married. > >E. If this is the same Robert Denbo then he would have to have been born >prior to 1752; in order to sell land. Age 16 to witn. a transaction. > >F. Couriously there are no Woodfields. Could be they lived in another >township. The Denbows and Woodfills could have lived side by side and not >shown up as such if they county/township line dived their land. > >Any, comments? > >Joe Kendall > > > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: James DENBO and Nancy WOODFILL >Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:02:13 -0500 >Subject: Re: James DENBO and Nancy WOODFILL >From: "James Denbow" >To: Linda Gudgel Finnell >Phone: 512-471-8512 > >"Early Methodist Circuits on the Upper Ohio" p. 136; "The Woodfields >came into East Bethleham before 1780. There is a record of six children >of Joseph Woodfield Sr.: > >1. Nancy , killed by indians , mar. Jas Denbo >2.Dau mar. Somers >3. Joseph mar. Cathrine Gudshall ( 1761-1828) >4. Gabriel marr. Susanah Gudshall >5. Daniel Mar. Elizabeth Godshall >6. John -killed by indians. > >don't know if you have this or not. > >Jim Denbow > >---------- >>From: Linda Gudgel Finnell >>To: DENBOW-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: James DENBO and Nancy WOODFILL >>Date: Sat, Sep 25, 1999, 9:40 PM >> > >> I am searching for information on James DENBO who marrried Nancy WOODFILL, >> d/o Joseph WOODFILL, Sr. >> >> I have seen reference to a book called From Wales to Indiana by Elfrieda >> Lang, published by Indiana Univ. Press in 1978. Also some info. from >> Chester BRENTON of Spokane, WA about the WOODFILL Family. >> >> My main line of research is the GUDGEL(L)/GUDSHALL family who married into >> the WOODFILL family. It has been told the GUDSHALL's asked James DENBO to >> accompany them on a trip from Philadelphia to Southweatern, PA, prior to >> March, 1768. This GUDSHALL/GUDGEL family settled in Fayette Co., PA near >> Brownsville aft the conclusion of the trip. >> >> Any help appreciated. >> Linda GUDGEL FINNELL >> Woodford Co., KY >> >> >> > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:07:01 -0700 Subject: Jesse Gudgel ... LSM (R) 195 From: W Gudgel Hello Doyal Gudgel, I was able to confirm that the ship Jesse Gudgel, was on when he was injured was sunk by a Kamikaze Plane. The ship was an "LSM (R) - 188, a Class Landing Ship, Medium (Rocket)". It was 203 feet long and was armed with a 5"/38 DP; 2 ea. 40 mm; 3x1 20 mm; 75 4-rail Mk. 36 + 30 - rail Mk 30 Rocket Launchers. The Crew consisted of 5 officers and 76 enlisted men. I have found photos on the Internet of sister ships but I am still looking for a photo of the LSM (R) 195 that Dad was on. 3 May 1945 ... After approximately 5 hours in the ocean, with burns and wounds, he was rescued and transferred to the USS Solace (a Naval Medical Ship). More later ... as I find out more. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel in Evansville, IN ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:29:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Misc notes 3-WOODFIELD/DENBO o: DENBOW-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: DENBOW-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13 > >A. Shelby county Ky Tax list 1792-1795. > >1) 1792 > Solomon Denbo, Nov. 10; 1 horse, 7 cows no acreage. > Robert Crawford, Nov. 6; 2 horses, 4 cows, no acreage > ( This is the father of Mary ann Crawford Denbo, wife of Robert) > Reuben Kendall, Nov. 7; 2 horses 7 cows, no acreage (Reuben was >a neighbor of Robert Denbo of Westmoreland county Pa.) > Thornton and Yelle Kendall same day. Probable sons of Reuben >2) 1793 > No tax book > >3) 1794 > Robert Crawford, May 26; 4 horses 7 cows; 251 acres > John Crawford, May 26; 1 horse, 2 cows , no acreage > Solomon Denbo, May 26; 1 horse, 9 cows; 64 acres > Thomas Kendall, May 23; 1 Horse, 7 cows. (Thomas is the >Grandfather of William A. Kendall, husband of >Elizabeth Denbo) > Reuben Kendall, May 23, 1 horse, 6 cows 100 acres > Yelly Kendall, May 23, nothing > >4) 1795 > Robert Crawford, 3 horses, 10 cattle, 150 acres , Gisses creek > John Crawford, 1 horse, 10 cattle, > Nathen Crawford 1500 acres Gisses creek > Solomon Denbo, 10 cattle, 64 acres Gisses creek. > Thomas Kendall, 1 horse, 8 cattle > Ewell Kendall, 1 horse ( probably son of Reuben) > >5)1802 ( my notes are missing for 1796-1801 and after 1802) > Solomon Denbo > >B) Census of Hardin county Ky, 1850. Ruderick Woodfield 62 ( born c. >1788) Maryland > >C) Tax list of Hardin county Ky. 1799- 1805 ( No Denbo entries 1796-98) > >1) 1799 > Robert Denbo, > Peter Copriter, same day >2) 1800 > Robert Denbo > Robert Crawford ( his father in law) > >3) 1801 > Joseph Denbo ( Robert Gone) > >4) 1802 > Robert Denbo ( Joseph Gone) 150 acres Rudes cr. Land entered for >John Funk > >5) 1803 > Robert Denbo same > >6)1804 > Robert Denbo same; April 16 > William Allen April 16. Father in law of William Kendall ( father >of William Kendall, husband of Elizabeth Denbo, ) > Joseph and Abra.Enlow , April 16. > John Crawford, Apr. 16 > Joseph Denbo; April 29 > Solomon Denbo; April 23, indicates a male also in houshold who is >16-21 > >7) 1805 + > None > >Note: I may have missed some as I was primarily interested in the >Kendalls and Allens > >D) I know I found the Denbos in Scott and / or Woodford county Ky in the >early tax list. I can't find them off hand. Does anyone have access to >these list? Does anyone know what counties were the parents of Scott and >Woodford? > >E) Harrison county Indiana court order book > >1) April Term 1818: James Denbo appointied gaurdian of William A. King. >John Smith Security. Binds him out to the gunsmith trade > >2) Nov. term. 1818: Joseph Denbo , adm. of the estate of Robert Denbo. >Motion for James Pitman, David Helland(?) , and John Crawford sr. to be >appointed commissioners to convey land to Sam'l Ruth(?), assignee of >Peter Davidson > >F) Court Order bk. "A" ; Hardin county Ky. > >page 2: Mary Ann Denbo and Nancy Crawford for a breach of the peace on >the body of John Glen ; constable > >ditto: John Glenn for a breach of the peace in assult and kicking Nancy >Crawford and kicking William Crawford. > >H) Question: how are the Ohio Denbos related to the Pa/ KY/ Ind. Denbo's? > >I) Hardin county Will bk "A" p. 191; will of Robert Crawford, wife not >named grandson William Riley, Sons John and William, daughter Mary Anne >Denbo, A second grandson Jonn (?) Riley, witn: Thom. Williams, Mary >Conicle, and Abr. Lucas. Prob. May 21, 1804 > >J) note in conjunction with above. That a John Crawford was the Bondsman >for the marriage of Betsey Denbow, dua. of Solomon to James Duley > >James Duley was surety in 1813 when another Joseph Denbo married Polly >Summes in Hardin county Ky. > >Sally Denbo, Sol. Dau. marr. a John Crawford. again in Hardin co. Ky. > >Lastly that a William Reilly confirmed the ages of Solomon Denbow and >Eliz. Cubbage of Harrison county Ind. Appears to be the nephew of Mary >Ann Crawford Denbo ; Wm Rielly that is. > >K) I have a note concerning the massacre which says that the surviving >dau. was * durring the attack. makes her born c. 1766 > >L) Note the Robert ThomasDenboe of Hartford county Md. , son of Thomas >Denbo born Aug. 27, 1735. Bare in mind that I am fairly sure that one of >the entries for the Scott/Woodford tx list is for a T. Robert Denbo. > >All for now. >Joe > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Denbo Notes 4-WOODFIELD/DENBO Resent-From: DENBOW-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16 > >Found some of my tax notes. > >A) Woodford county Ky. 1791-1814 > >1)1791: no Denbows > >2)1792: > Ann Denbo, No males 21+, 1 horse, no cows; taxed Sept. 19 > >3) 1793 > Ann Denbo, Same as 92, Sept. 20 > Joseph Denbo; 2 White males over 21 and one 16-21; 8 Slaves (?) 2 > horses, 10 cattle Oct. 22. > >4) 1794 > Ann Denbo, same, April 18 > (?) Zachariah Woodfield, April 19 > >5) 1795-1814 : No Denbos > >I see where Scott split away in 1792 and Franklin in 1795. We lose Ann in >1795 and it may be possible that she lived in the part of Woodford that >became Franklin. > >We can conclude that Ann is at least 21 in 1792 and hence was born no >later than 1771. > >We can also conclude that the Joseph Denbo is at least 21 in 1793 ( cause >thats what it says) and was born no later than 1772. This then is not the >Joseph Denbo of Harrison county Ind. That Joseph was born in 1779 and >would have been only 14 at the time. > >If this is the father of the 16-21 year old ( not for sure, but most >likely) then he would have been born no later than 1760 ( 16 year old >son, 16 years at marriage-the legal min. ) More likely 1750. That would >put him in the right age bracket to be the father of Harrison county >Ind.; Robert and Joseph. Indeed the other 21 year old could be Robert >born 1770. > >I really need to see if those really were slaves. > >B) The indian Massacre > >I can see a lot of problems. First is that Nancy Woodfield Denbo is >supposed to have died in 1774. Obviously she can't be the mother of >Joseph Denbo ( born 1779). Why did he name a son Woodfield Denbo? Joseph >is probably derived from the Woodfields, so; again why would Joseph be >given the name of his, desceased, step mothers father? Robert is old >enough to be son of Nancy Woodfill and he has a son named Joseph. > >Is it possible that the Denbo-Woodfill marriage is off by a generation? >That there were two Marriages? Could we have had a Robert Denbo, born c. >1730, that married a Woodfield and had James, Joseph , Solomon. Joseph, >in turn having Robert and Joseph? > >C) From a family history by Charles E. Denbo of Corydon Ind. Sept. 3, >1931. Page 1: > >"A James Denbo lived near Blue River many years ago. He had several sons >and daughters. There were three sons that I know of , John, Solomon, and >Issac. I think there were two or three daughters, one daughter married a >man named Poole. I suppose they were distant relatives of ours. > >This is copied from an old record of Marriage licenses: 'John Denbo and >Elizabeth Tipton married March 28, 1818, by Joseph McMahan J.P. ' Do not >know what family he belonged to" > >Don't hold me to this , but it seems to me that I have seen mention of >this somewhere else and it seems that she might have been related to Gov. >Tipton. Several of the McMahans were members of Providence Baptist church >on the Orange/Crawford line. > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:07:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: LEAVING ON VACATION Hi Everybody- I will be leaving tomorrow about noon for a week and will be away from my computer (sure to have withdrawals!). This will be a long awaited get away which we planned and have worked on since last October. While growing up we three (my 2 brothers and myself) frequently visited my mother's sister and family who lived in Akron, OH. (This was not the GUDGEL family). We were living in Anderson Co., KY at the time and every summer they visited us or we would visit them. So there were 6 cousins (3 boys and 3 girls) who played together and were very close up until we were about 10 or 12 years old. My parents divorced about that time (1960) and we didn't see them as often and eventually grew apart but we had many fond memories of these times together. About 4 years ago my husband and I along with our 2 daughters went to visit one of the cousins on our vacation and it was as if we had never let all of that time separate us. And my children got to know their cousins they had never met. We started talking about the need for all of us to get together for a Reunion. I guess everyone has good intentions but we are now becoming the "older generation. But this was really important to me. My mother's sister and her husband, and also my father, have all passed away and it was even more important now. So 2 of us made plans for all of us to get together the first week of October, 1999 at Pigeon Forge, TN in the Smokey Mountains. Please realize that we are talking about co-ordinatng the vacations of 6 couples who are coming from 5 states.....Toledo, OH; Fitchburg, MA; Philadelphia, PA; Versailles, KY; Fort Lauderdale, FL; and Moorehaven, FL. We have rented a large house in the Smokies (actually it belongs to my sister-in-law) and it looks like everything is "go". 4 of the 6 couples have never been to the Smokies so they are really excited about this. Leaves are turning now and it is beautiful fall weather. Should be an interesting and hopefully fun week. There are spouses we have never met, all children are now grown and some we've never seen (but no kids on this trip-just the cousins). We are all bring pictures of our children as well as old family photos, etc. We have kept in close contact via email and phone calls as the time gets close and as usual we have had a few last minute problems. One of the spouses can't come due to his company merger...no problem...cousin will fly into Knoxville and we will pick her up. My brother says he saw her last when she was about 13 and she was a real "fox" :) I laughed and said we will see what 25 or so years has done to that "fox" after all these years! I am sure we have all changed. But we all still have that desire to keep the family ties that have bound us together all these years. That's what family is all about I think. I'll let you know when I return how it went. Keep us all in your prayers for our safe journeys. I'll miss you guys. After all, your my family too. Linda from Kentucky Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:39:58 -0700 From: W Gudgel Subject: Unidentified subject! Bob Gudgel, Due to an e-mail program problem I had .. I lost some of my e-mail messages before I could read them. Can you resend messages from the Gudgel - List? I am missing: Part 1 & 2 of the WOODFIELD/DENBO letters that Linda Gudgel Finnell sent on approximately 9-30-99. Thanks for the help. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel in Evansville, IN (BG I sent him the missing stuff) From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:43:08 EDT Subject: Illinois Marriage Index I just thought everyone would like to know that the Illinois Marriage Index is now on line. It is a pre 1900 index, but I see some that are a bit later. You can access it at http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/arc_home.html There are twenty Gudgel/Gudgell's listed. The advice I received was to try every conceivable spelling because the original records were so difficult to read. I haven't tried variations on the spelling of Gudgel yet. Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:06:17 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Newsletter The Newsletter has been gone now for about a week. If you have paid and not received a copy please let me know. Except for Ed Martin in LA, it came back. I re-mailed it today. Have a nice day. Doyal G Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:32:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: SOME GUDGELL HISTORY IN BATH CO., KY-Part 1 Hi Everybody- I am back from my trip and it was a huge success. You never know what to expect when this many people are thrown together for a whole week-especially when it has been so long since we saw each other. It was so good that they want to get together again (possibly next year) in New Jersey at the beach. Guess that means it went well for everyone :) I am sending this article on the Bath Co., KY GUDGELL's that appeared in the current issue of the CONNECTIONS newsletter. Those who receive the newsletter will have read it, however, others will not have seen it. So this is Part 1 of 2. Hope everyone is doing okay. It's sure good to be home and it has rained most all of today (finally!). Linda > >SOME HISTORY ON THE GUDGELL FAMILY IN BATH COUNTY, KENTUCKY > >By Linda Gudgel Finnell > Woodford County, KY > >In 1991 I became acquainted with Anna Davidson Garner Manley of Bath County, KY when I wrote a letter to the Bath County News Outlook newspaper inquiring about the Gudgel family. Anna answered my letter >and we have been great friends ever since. She is a wonderful person who is very interested in the Gudgel(l) ancestors. Note that all of the Bath County Gudgell's spell their name with two L's but we are all still related. Health problems are beginning to slow her down a bit but she is without a doubt 86 years young as of her last birthday, January 10th. > >Anna is the daughter of the late Obert Garner and Ruth Cleveland GUDGELL >of Bath Co. Her grandfather was Woodson B. GUDGELL of Bath Co. Great Grandfather Thomas J. GUDGELL was also a native of Bath Co., KY. She states her Great Great Grandfather was Allen GUDGELL, who was born in Bath Co. as well, and Andrew GUDGEL(L), Jr. was her Great Great Great Grandfather being born in Pennsylvania. > >Anna sent me much of the information I began with on this family in Bath Co. and I am deeply indebted to her for sharing this first-hand with me. She and her late husband, Ambrose Burton Manley, used to sell antiques and were well known in surrounding counties. Anna has collected dolls for many years and dresses them from the clothes she makes. Quilting is another hobby of Anna's. When I visited her home several years ago she showed me some of her quilts and I was just in awe of the craftmanship and beautiful patterns she had designed. Anna doesn't let her hands lay idle for long and she says she reads each Gudgel Newsletter several times from front to back. She is one special lady. Thank you, Anna! > >Now on to some history of Bath County..... >Being the fifty-fifth county in order of formation, Bath County is located in the northeastern part of the state and is bordered by Fleming, Menifee, Montgomery, Nicholas and Rowan counties. Bath County was created in 1811 and covers an area of 277 square miles. The county was named for the many medicinal springs within it's borders and the county seat is Owingsville. > >Settlers were living in the area as early as 1775. It is likely that the region's rich deposits of iron ore enticed many pioneers to make Bath County their home. It's hard to say who was the first Gudgell in Bath Co. Allen Gudgell was born in 1788 in Bath Co. and Andrew Gudgel, Jr. and Jacob Gudgil both appear in 1797 on the first Tax List for Montgomery Co., KY (which later became part of Bath Co.). > >Montgomery Co., KY Tax List: >May 17, 1797 Andrew Gudgel >1 white above 21 and 5 horses > >May 22, 1797 Jacob Gudgil (bro. of Andrew, Jr.-later went to Anderson Co., KY) >1 white above 21 and 6 horses > >No Tax List was on file for 1798: > >1799 Tax List-Montgomery Co., KY: >May 25, 1799 >Andrew Gudgle- 1 white over 21-Horses/Mares 3 >John Gudgle-1 white over 21- Horses 1 (bro. of Andrew, Jr.-later went to Jefferson Co., In) > >July 30, 1800 Andrew Gudgell 100 acres-2 rated-Lies in Montgomery Co. >Water course on which land lies: Kingston >In whose name entered: Chris (unclear) may be "Green". >Surveyed/Patented by: Chris (unclear) may be "Green". > >May 25, 1801 Andrew Gudgel-same as 1800 above > >1802- Andrew Gudgel - no record >1803- Andrew Gudgel - 1 white over 21 - 4 horses >1804- Andrew Gudgel - no record >1805- Andrew Gudgel - 1 white over 21 - 5 horses >1806- Andrew Gudgel - no record >1807- Andrew Gudgel- 1 white over 21 - 6 (8) mares, 132 acres. >1808- Andrew Gudgel- 1 white over 21 - 7 horses >1809- Andrew Gudgel- 1 white over 21 - 7 horses >1810- Andrew Gudgel- 1 white over 21 - 7 horses, 123 acres. >1811-1814- no record > >The relationship between Allen and Andrew, Jr. is still undocumented. Anna says above that Allen was the son of Andrew but she has related to me that she isn't sure if it was Andrew, Jr. or Sr. Some researchers believe Allen was the son of Andrew, Sr. but that remains to be proven. > >1810 Census-Bath Co., KY 1820 Census-Bath Co., KY >GUDGEN, Andrew GUDGELL, Andrew >4 males under 10 2 males 10-15 >1 male 10-15 1 male 16-18 >1 male 16-25 1 male 16-25 >1 male 26-45 1 male 45+ >3 females 10-15 2 females 16-25 >1 female 26-45 1 female 45+ > >1830 Census, Bath Co., KY-pg 224 >GUDGILL, Andrew >2 males 20-30 >1 male 60-70 >1 female 60-70 > >Before going to Bath Co., KY Andrew Gudgel, Jr. first came from Pennsylvania to Woodford Co., KY where he married Jane Mitchell January 10, 1792. The following children were born of this union: Polly, Rebecca, Elizabeth, Joseph, Rezin and possibly Allen. Some researchers have suggested that Jane Mitchell was the second wife of Andrew, Jr. which could mean that Allen was a son of the first marriage. > > > >BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES: >(Abstracts from A History of Bath Co., KY by J.A. Richards and notes from my personal research). > >JOHN T. GUDGELL >John T. Gudgell, one of Bath County's best known and most respected farmers was born in Bath Co. near Reynoldsville on September 12, 1848. He was the son of Thomas F. Gudgell and Mary Magdalena Power. > >In early youth he was married to Miss Mildred Darnell (1849-1948), a daughter of pioneer settler Elliott Darnell. Mr. Gudgell was himself a member of a pioneer family. Children of this marriage were Martha (d. 1975), who married Eli Metcalfe; Lizzie, who married Willie Vanlandingham; >Molly, who married Simpson Purvis; Charlie, who married Eva (?); and George Dallas (b. 1881). > >For the greater part of his life he resided in the White Oak section of the county where he was well and favorably known. A Democrat in politics, he was not just a passive one, but he actively participated in all affairs of the party. He died December 21, 1930. > >ALLEN GUDGELL >Allen Gudgell was born in Bath Co., KY February 14, 1788. His parentage is still undocumented among family researchers. Allen was raised on the old Gudgell farm two miles southwest of Sharpsburg until his marriage on February 9, 1813 to Rebecca Reid, when he purchased a farm of 250 acres on the waters of Prickly Ash Creek. He lived there until his death on February 20, 1868. Allen is buried in the Gudgell Cemetery, Bath Co., KY (near Reynoldsville on Mink's Run Road). > >Children of this marriage were Polly A. (1814-1832; Thomas F. (1815-1878) who married Mary Magdalene Power; John H. (1817-1872) who married a cousin, Elizabeth Gudgel of Anderson Co., KY, (a daughter of Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Mountjoy); Robert R. (1819-1819) died in infancy; Terressa (1821-1895) who married Matthew B. McClure; Joseph (1822-1903) who married Minerva Ann Busby; Sally F. (1824-1909) who married Daniel Harper; Annaliza (1826-1912) who married Thomas Terry; and Jannett Martha (1830-1912) who never married. > >Allen Gudgell was elected Justice of the Peace under the old Constitution which was formed in 1799. He served on the bench with some of the most noted men of the day. Under the old Constitution the Justice of the Peace became the Sheriff and by reason of his senority Allen Gudgell became Sheriff in 1842 and served two years. > >He used to tell jokes on himself to the effect that he took a notion to run for the Legislature. He announced himself and made a canvass of one week's length. In the meantime his opponents started a report on him that he had stolen a pig. He quit the race, for he said in another week's time they would have proven it on him. > >While a Justice of the Peace he was in great demand for performing the marriage ceremony and was called upon from all over the county to officiate at weddings because he entered freely into the spirit of fun and frolic with the youngsters and didn't charge them much. > >HON. H.C. GUDGELL >Honorable Howard C. (H.C.) Gudgell was born in Owingsville, Bath Co., KY October 5, 1868, the youngest child of Reuben GUDGELL and Elvessa Martin. He was educated in the common schools of Owingsville and attended the old Bath Seminary where he acquired an excellent education. He later entered into the study of law under the tutorship of his father, being admitted to the bar in 1893. > >He married Miss Susan (Sudie) Maury in 1898, however, no children came from this marriage. > >After his admission to the bar he entered into practice in association with his father under the name of R. Gudgell and Son, with whom this relationship continued until the death of the elder Gudgell in 1908. Throughout this period the firm enjoyed a lucrative and profitable practice. > >After the death of his father he continued in the general practice in his own behalf and acquired a large clientel, doing much title, abstract and estate work until his health compelled him to retire. He died October 25, 1927 and is buried in the Owingsville Cemetery. > >JUDGE WALLACE S. GUDGELL >Judge Wallace S. Gudgell was born at Owingsville, Bath Co., KY on April 19 1857, the eldest son of Reuben Gudgell and Elvessa Martin. > >He received his early education in Owingsville, later attending school in Springfield, IL and was admitted to the practice of law at Owingsville in September, 1878. He married Miss Mary Coulthard but had no children. > >He eventually engaged in his law practice in partnership with W.T. Smoot under the style of Smoot and Gudgell. After several years of practice the firm was dissolved and Judge Gudgell maintained a practice in the office of his father but not however in conjunction with his father. > >For many years he was one of the leaders of the Republican party in Bath County, serving one term as County Judge and being one of the few Republicans to have held that office in the history of the county. Twice he was the nominee of his party for Circuit Judge of this district. > >He was one of the founders of the graded school system in Bath County and served many years as Chairman of the Board of Education of Owingsville Graded School. After 1880 he owned the Bath County News newspaper for many years and changed it's name to the current name of the Bath County News Outlook. He died in Owingsville Dec. 9, 1931. > > > Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:33:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: SOME GUDGELL HISTORY IN BATH CO., KY-Part 2 >DR. FRANCIS PRESTON GUDGELL >Dr. Francis Preston Gudgell was born in Bath Co., KY June 26, 1860, the son of Honorable Reuben Gudgell and Carrie Hutchison. He attended the Louisville Medical College and later returned to Owingsville to practice medicine for a span of sixty-six continuous years. He retired 2 months before his death on Christmas Day, 1948. > >Several years prior to his death he was honored by the University of Louisville where he was presented with an honorary certificate in recognition of his more than 50 years of continuous service to his community as a practicing physician. > >He was widely known and highly respected among his fellow practitioners. >It was he who made the famous remark that the task of a country physician was " to usher in the newborn babe and to ease out the aged and dying." > >Dr. and Mrs. Gudgell had three children: Mary, Louise and Wallace Palmer. > >Another note worthy of mention is that Dr. Gudgell pronounced Oscar Jones dead at the last legal hanging in Bath Co. (a negro man indicted for murder in the spring of 1892). > >REUBEN GUDGELL >Reuben Gudgell, born 1833 and died 1908 in Bath Co., KY, the son of Rezin Gudgell and Elizabeth Utterback. He was married to Elvessa Martin of Fountain Co., IN in 1856 and to this union were born Wallace S., 1857; Dr. Francis Preston, 1860, Oakella Read, 1862; and Howard C., 1868. Reuben and Elvessa are both buried in the Owingsville Cemetery. > >Besides being a well known attorney, he was Past Master of the Bath Masonic Lodge #55 from 1881 to 1882, a staunch Republican, and an original shareholder in the Owingsville Banking Co. in 1895. > >Reuben Gudgell is also noted to be the attorney for the longest case on record in the history of the Bath Co. courts. The story is as follows: >On December 2, 1862, Reuben Gudgell, as attorney for the executor of Spencer Boyd, who died a resident of the county, filed in the Bath Circuit Court a petition to settle his estate which consisted of a large body of land, together with numerous items of personal property including some twenty slaves, all of which then exceeded $100,000.00 in value. The slaves being indivisible among the devisees, it was sought by the original suit to sell them at auction with the other property; however, later they were freed by the Emancipation Proclamation. > >The suit dragged its weary way through the courts. Numerous brances of litigation sprang out of the suit between the devisees and creditors. The case was taken to the Court of Appeals six times and each judgement appealed from was reversed. The pleadings and papers, musty with age, and mostly hand written, filled a two-bushel meal sack. The record shows the following attorneys were engaged in the case for different parties at different times: Reuben Gudgell, J. Monroe Nesbitt, N.P. Reid, J.S. Hurt, Richard Reid, R. Apperson, Jr., H.L. Stone, Thomas Turner, V.B. Young, D.S. Trumbo, J.J. Nesbitt, Hanson Kennedy, B.D. Lacy, Thomas Kennedy, Z.T. Young, W.A. Sudduth, William Lindsay, C.W. Go(o)dpaster, Wallace S. Gudgell, Thomas Bigstaff, and W.H. Holt. > >Forty-two years later at the October Term of Court, 1904, Mr. Gudgell with appropriate reminiscences, entered a motion to file the case away, but two of the original parties to the action having in the meantime died, this being, as far as is now known, the longest case on record in the local court. > >These are but a few of the Gudgell descendants that I have researched in Bath Co. It is my hope this writing will give those who are interested a view of the lives of some of our earlier Gudgells' who settled in this area of Kentucky. > Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:07:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: MILITIA ROLLS 1792-1795 WOODFORD CO., KY Nearly forgot! I went to Historical Society this afternoon to pick up my mail and while there I checked out the Militia Rolls 1792-1795 for Woodford Co., KY. For those interested in adding data prior to the Bath Co., KY Tax lists which I just sent you may find this interesting: April 30, 1792 Daniel WOODFIELD 1 white male over 21, 2 horses, 5 cattle May 6th, 1795 Andrew GUDSHALL 1 white male over 21, 2 horses, 6 cattle June 11, 1795 Daniel GUDSHALL 1 white male over 21, 1 horse, 4 cattle Jacob GUDSHALL 1 white male over 21, 2 horses, 9 cattle Andrew GUDSHALL 1 white male over 21, 2 horses, 12 cattle (From these records: None of these entries were recorded as owning any real estate at this time. I wonder also why Daniel WOODFIELD appears in 1792 and not in 1793, 1794, or 1795? And the entries of 2 Andrew's less than a month apart would lead one to believe that they were Andrew Jr. and Sr.). I will have this book for a couple of days if anyone wants me to look up anything. These are photo copies of the original documents at the courthouse which we bound in book form to keep on file at the Historical Society. Linda Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:30:00 -0700 From: W Gudgel Subject: Unidentified subject! Hello Bob Gudgel, Have you received the floppy disk I sent you? Have you had a chance to look at it? Do you see the resemblance between Jesse Gudgel and Marion Floyd Gudgel? Have a great week, Bill Gudgel in Evansville, IN. From: Doukel@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:08:12 EDT Subject: New Gudgel List member Hi Everyone--- I just recently became aware of the Gudgel List and am amazed at how many people are researching Andrew Gudgel, Sr. and his family. I am a relative newcomer to genealogy, having only started about six months ago. I've really learned a lot by reading the info in the Gudgel List, and I really appreciate all your hard work! My grandmother is Mary Gudgel Wood. Her father was Holland Porter Gudgel, who was a son of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel, who was a son of Henry Thomas Gudgel, who was a son of William Gudgel, who was the youngest son of Andrew Gudgel, Sr. and his third wife Elizabeth Payne. Has anyone ever found any references to Andrew or his father Frederick on any passenger arrival lists? The only info I have on his immigration was info written in a Gudgel family history in about 1955 that said he worked his way across the Atlantic on a cattle boat from Germany at the age of about 17. It said that he was born in 1727 and came to the New World in about 1744 to avoid the draft in Bismarck's effort to conquer Europe. I don't know how this info was gathered as there are no references. Anyway, I just wanted to say "Hi" to everyone and to thank you for all the great info on the Gudgels. Kellee Meyer Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: WELCOME TO KELLEE MEYER! Kellee- Welcome to the GUDGEL list! Hope we will be hearing losts more from you and your lines of research in the future. There is also a GUDGEL Newsletter called "Connections" which is published quarterly by Doyal GUDGEL. It's a real keeper. In answer to your question about passenger lists of Frederick GOTTSCHALK and his family-no we haven't found any documentation as yet but we're still hoping. I'd be interested in the 1955 GUDGEL History you spoke of. In all my years of researching I've never seen this document. Tell us more about yourself, your family and where you're from, etc. In my database I have Mary GUDGEL as a daughter of Holland Porter GUDGEL but have no other information on her. Hope you can fill me in. Thanks, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:32:44 EDT Subject: Illinois Marriages Hi all, I have just discovered the most wonderful new resource! Illinois marriages are now being put online by the Illinois State Historical Society and the Illinois State Genealogical Society. The input is not complete yet but a fair share is. Here are the Gudgel's listed so far (I hope the formatting isn't too bad): http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage The ones marked with a * are the ones I have identified. Does anyone know who the others are? I will identify them for anyone who needs it. I hope this website will prove beneficial for your other research as well. Happy searching, Mia Fleegel NAME CNTY DATE VOL/PG LIC __________________________________________________________________ *GUDGEL, ALLEN FITZPATRICK, LYDIA ADAMS 09/05/1866 *GUDGEL, ALLEN RAMAGE, MARY ADAMS 08/13/1862 RIDER, JAMES W GUDGEL, ELIZABETH COLES 03/23/1869 E/ 209 *BARRON, SAMUEL GUDGELL, HELLEN GALLATIN 12/03/1885 D/ 350 *GUDGEL, LEWIS LYON, EFFIE HANCOCK 04/26/1881 4/ 147 6987 *GUDGELL, ANDREW (My ancestors!) MILLER, ELIZABETH HANCOCK 02/16/1850 2/ 1 1537 *JESSUP, EZRA GUDGEL, REBECCA J HANCOCK 03/20/1859 3/ 184 368 *GUDGEL, MARION VALENTINE, REBECCA HENDERSON 01/19/1858 B/ 1 MEISNER, L D GUDGELL, ELISABETH MRS MACOUPIN 01/06/1846 3/ 1006 *GUDGEL, PHILLIP NASH, IDA MENARD 01/20/1890 B/ 72 5874 *GUDGEL, WILLIAM A REEVES, MARY C MENARD 03/11/1875 B/ 16 4090 *GUDGELL, HENRY STARKS, CANDASIA MENARD 04/20/1884 B/ 47 5242 *YOAKUM, FRANCIS R GUDGEL, MISSOURIA A MENARD 02/27/1870 A/ 374 2588 *BARNARD, NATHAN GUDGEL, ELLA F. PIKE 03/12/1893 / 315 1834 *GUDGEL, BERT A PRITCHARD, MARY E RIICHLAND 04/08/1903 3/ 127 50 *GUDGEL, EARL A WHITMER, IVA RICHLAND 09/18/1910 3/ 127 *GUDGEL, JAMES F FERREN, MELISSA RICHLAND 02/22/1877 2/ 20 *GUDGEL, JOHN S GOSS, ELIZABETH (MRS) RICHLAND 08/17/1909 3/ 221 101.5 *GUDGEL, JOHN S HARROLL, MALINDA RICHLAND 02/25/1868 2/ 73 421 *GUDGEL, LAWRENCE PLUMLEE, DESSIE RICHLAND 12/15/1909 3/225 160 *GUDGEL, WILLIAM BIRD, ELIZABETH RICHLAND 02/02/1873 2/ 565 *GUDGEL, WILLIAM E MCCOLPIN, EDNA M RICHLAND 01/06/1909 3/ 213 2 *GUDGEL, WILLIAM L RICTOR, MALLISA C RICHLAND 09/17/1882 3/ 70 103 *HEATH, WILLIAM J GUDGEL, ANNA E RICHLAND 03/18/1908 3/ 43 *PRITCHARD, RALPH GUDGEL, DELLA RICHLAND 03/23/1910 3/ 230 43 *HEATH, CHARLES GUDGEL, DORA A RICHLAND 05/10/1900 3/ 87 67 *HEATH, DAN GUDGEL, EMMA MAY RICHLAND 06/04/1893 3/ 206 75 *MATTINGLEY, GEORGE GUDGEL, FANNIE E RICHLAND 05/14/1911 3/ 247 66 *GROFF, RAYMOND GUDGEL, INA GRACE RICHLAND 09/15/1915 5/ 11 107 *BIRD, WILLIAM GUDGEL, MARY E RICHLAND 07/06/1873 2/ 620 *HEATH, JOHN GUDGEL, MINNIE E RICHLAND 03/31/1895 3/ 97 43 *BROWN, CHARLES GUDGEL, OLA RICHLAND 10/07/1903 3/ 132 117 *COCHRAN, SAMUEL J GUDGEL, SALINA E RICHLAND 09/22/1903 3/ 132 106 *JONES, ISAAC F GUDGELL, MARTHA E RICHLAND 02/01/1877 2/ 12 WILLIAMS, ELMER V GUDGELL, MAE ROCK ISLAND 06/15/1898 E/ 274 18361 GUDGEL, JAMES HULVERSON, ROSETTE ST. CLAIR 06/28/1893 2117 HANNIBAL, HERBERT GUDGEL, CAROLINE SANGAMON 01/00/1896 7/ 77 HIBBS, ROBERT A GUDGELL, CAROLINE SANGAMON 07/04/1892 6/ 470 GUDGEL, PERRY M HUNT, OLLIE WHITE 11/18/1896 19/ *GUDGEL, WILLIAM LEONARD DOSHER, CHRISTINA WHITE 02/24/1881 13/ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:39:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Frederick's deed I just wanted to post this "deciphered" deed... The one mentioned not too long ago regarding: Yost Pannakucha & Mary Gotshall to John Trout Bucks Co. PA Deed Book 9, pp. 212-214 ... since some do not have web browsing access, and, also, posting it puts it with all the other good stuff in the mail list archive. I've had a copy of this deed (from Victor Shackleton) but could not make hardly anything out of it because it had been copied so many times and was just plain OLD. It can be found on the Pankake web site: http://www.usfamily.net/web/pankake/gottscha.htm Thanks, boB These two deeds were submitted by David L. Boucher, Livingston, Louisiana, DLB613@mindspring.com Yost Pannakucha & Mary Gotshall to John Trout Bucks Co. PA Deed Book 9, pp. 212-214 Dated 19 Jun 1749, Recorded 17 Jul 1754 This Indenture Made the Nineteenth Day of June in ye Year of Our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Forty Nine Between Yost Pannakucha of ye Township of Frankonia in the County of Philadelphia in ye Province of Pennsylvania Yeoman and Anne Mary Gotshall of ye same Township Widow of Frederick Gotshall of ye same Place Yeoman Deceased of the One Part and John Trout of the Township of Upper Dublin in the County of Philadelphia Yeoman of the other Part. WhereAs there is a Certain Piece of Land Situate on Tohickon Creek in the County of Bucks Beginning at a stone Sett for a Corner Continuing thence North Twenty Seven perches to a white Oak Tree thence North Seventy Degrees West Sixty perches to a post, thence North Eighty Six Degrees West five and Twenty perches to a White Oak Saplin, thence South Twenty One Degrees East twenty two perches to a post, thence South Eighty five Degrees East Twenty Eight perches to a White Oak Tree, Thence South Seventy One Degrees East fifty perches to the place of Beginning Containing Twelve Acres of Land. And Whereas the said Twelve Acres of Land is part of Two hundred and seventeen Acres of Land which John Penn, Thomas Penn, and Richard Penn Esquires Proprietors of ye said Province by a Certain Patent bearing Date the fourteenth Day of February in the Year of Our Lord One Thousand Seven hundred thirty Eight Did grant and Confirm unto Eleazar Doan to hold to him his Heirs and Assigns for Ever as by the said Patent -- Recorded at Philadelphia in Patent Book A; Vol. 9; page 1; as may at Large Appear. And Wheras the said Eleazar Doan by his Indenture Bearing Date on ye Twenty Sixth Day of November in ye Year of Our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Forty Six Did grant Convey and Confirm ye said Tract of Land above Described unto ye said Frederick Gotshall Deceased To hold to him the said Frederick Gotshall his Heirs and Assigns for Ever as by the said Indenture may at Large Appear. By Virtue of which said Indenture the said Frederick Gotshall became Lawfully Seized thereof, and being so seized thereof the said Frederick Gotshall made his Last Will and Testament in Writing and Bequeathed in this manner And Further it is my Will , that after my Decease that my Executors shall make a Publick Sale of my Estate both Real and Personal to such person or persons as they shall see fit and to give Sufficient Writings for the Same and a Little onward he said and further more I do Nominate and Appoint my Loving Wife Ann Mary Gotshall and my Son in Law Yost Panakucha Joynt Ex'ers of my Last Will and Testament and give them as full Power as my Self. Now this Indenture Witnesseth That the said Yost Pannakucha and the said Ann Mary Gotshall in Order to Enable them to pay ye said Frederick Gotshall's Debts & Legacies For and in Consideration of the Sum of Seventy Pounds Current money of Philadelphia to them well and Truly paid by the said John Trout and the Receipt whereof they the said Yost Pannakucha and the said Ann Mary Gotshall (Both Executors of ye Last Will and Testament of the said Frederick Gotshall Deceased) Doth hereby Acknowledge and thereof Do Acquit and for Ever discharge ye said John Trout his Heirs and Assigns by these Presents Hath Granted Bargained Sold Released and Confirmed and by these presents Doth Grant Bargain Sell Release and Confirm unto the said John Trout his Heirs and Assigns One Moiety or One full Equall & Undivided half part of the above Described piece of Land lying and being as the same is above set forth and Described Containing Twelve Acres above said. It being ye Land on Which Stands a Mill pond belonging to a Mill Erected by the said Frederick Gotshall Deceased and Abraham Vashiner in Partnership on Tohickon afores'd which Mill hath been of Late in the Possession of Andrew Gotshall and ye said Abraham Vashiner, but of Late the said Andrew Gotshall hath Conveyed his part to ye s'd Yost Pannakucha and the said Ann Mary Gotshall. Together with all and Singular the Rights Liberties Priviledges Advantages Hereditaments and Appurtenances whatsoever unto Such Moiety Or one full Equal and Undivided half part of the s'd Twelve Acres of Land Belonging or in any wise Appertaining and the Reversion and Revertions Remainder & remainders Rents Shares and Profits thereof To have and to hold the said Moiety or One full Equal and Undivided half part of the said Twelve Acres of Land Hereditaments and Premises hereby Granted or mentioned to be Granted with the Appurtenances unto the said John Trout his Heirs and Assigns To the only Proper Use Benefit and Behoof of him the said John Trout his Heirs and Assigns for Ever Under the Proportional part [1-2 lines cut off at top of page on photocopy] Shall and will upon the Reasonable Request Cost and Charges of the said John Trout his Heirs or Assigns make Execute and Acknowledge or Cause so to be all and Every Such other and further Act and Acts Deed or Deeds Device or Devices in ye Law whatsoever for the further and Better Assurance and Confirmation of the said One Moiety or one full Equall and Undivided half part of ye said Twelve Acres of Land and Premises hereby Granted or mentioned to be Granted with ye Appurtenances unto the said John Trout his Heirs and Assigns; as by him or them or by his or their Council Learned in the Law shall be Reasonably Desired Advised or Required. In Witness whereof the said Parties to these Presents have Interchangeably Sett their Hands and Seals -- Dated the Day and Year first above Written. Yost Pannakucha (seal) Anne Mary (her mark) Gotshall (seal) Sealed and Delivered (the word Did grant and Confirm to Eleazar Doan to hold to him his Heirs and Assigns for Ever in ye Sixth Line was Interlined before Signing and made known to the Evidence In the Presence of Us) (The will being not present Too Little Blank being Left So it is Inserted here being these words as by ye s'd Wills Remaining in ye Register General's Office at Philadelphia bearing Dates ye Seventh Day of November Anno Domini 1748) Margaret (her mark) Owen; Griffith Owen Received on the Day of ye Date of the within Writen Deed of ye Within Named John Trout the full Sum of One Hundred and Seventy Five Pounds Current money of Pennsylvania it being the Consideration money within we Say Rec'd. Yost Pannakucha Ann Mary (her mark) Gotshall. Witnesses present at Signing Margaret (her mark) Owen Griffith Owen Memorandum That on the 19th Day of June Anno Domini 1749 Before me Simon Butler Esq. One of the Justices of ye peace for the County of Bucks Came the above Named Yost Pannakucha and Anne Mary Gotshall and Brought the above Written Indenture Or Conveyance which they Acknowledged to be their Act and Deed and Desired that ye Same may be Recorded as their Deed Witness my Hand and Seal the Day and Year above said. Sim'n Butler (seal) Recorded the 17th Day of July 1754 ______________________________________________________________________ Yost Pannakucha, Agnes Pannakucha & Anne Mary Gotshall to John Trout Bucks Co. PA Deed Book 9, pp. 214-216 Dated 19 Jun 1749, Recorded 18 Jul 1754 This Indenture Made the Nineteenth Day of June in ye Year of Our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Forty Nine Between Yost Pannakucha of ye Township of Frankonia in the County of Philadelphia in ye Province of Pennsylvania Yeoman and Agnes his Wife and Anne Mary Gotshall of ye same Township Widow of ye One part, and John Trout of the Township of Upper Dublin in the County of Philadelphia and Province of Pennsylvania aforesaid Yeoman of the other Part. Whereas the Honourable John Penn, Thomas Penn, and Richard Penn Esquires Proprietors of ye said Province by a Certain Patent Bearing Date the Twenty Eight Day of January in the Year of Our Lord One Thousand Seven hundred and Forty Three Did Grant and Confirm Unto Andrew Gotshall a Certain Piece or Tract of Land Situate In or near ye Township of Bedminster in the County of Bucks in the said Province Beginning at a Marked Hickory by the edge of Tohickon Creek and from thence extending by Varent's Land North East Forty Nine perches to a Corner of Land now or Late of John Hutchinson thence by the Same North Sixty four Degrees West One hundred and five perches to a post for another Corner thence by Land now or late of Thomas Lancaster South forty Nine perches to a Marked Elm Tree by the side of the said Creek, thence by the Same Creek on the Several Courses thereof to the place of Beginning Containing Twenty Five Acres and an allowance Proportionable to Six Per Cent for Roads and Highways To Hold the said Twenty five Acres and Allowances Together with the Appurtenances unto him the said Andrew Gotshall his Heirs and Assigns for Ever, As by the said Patent Recorded at Philadelphia in Patent Book A, Vol 12, page 44 as may more fully Appear. And Whereas the said Andrew Gotshall and Kathrin his Wife by their Indenture Bearing Date the Thirtyth Day of May in ye Year of Our Lord One Thousand Seven hundred forty Nine, For the Consideration therein mentioned Did Grant Convey and Confirm ye above said Tract of Land Or One Moiety or Equall and Undivided half part thereof and of a Grist Mill thereon Erected to ye said Yost Pannakucha and ye said Anne Mary Gotshall To hold to them ye said Yost Pannakucha and ye s'd Anne Mary Gotshall ye s'd One full Equall and Undivided Moiety or half part of ye said Water Grist Mill and the said Twenty five Acres of Land thereto Belonging their Heirs and Assigns for Ever. Now this Indenture Witnesseth That ye s'd Yost Pannakucha and Agnes his Wife and ye said Anne Mary Gotshall For and in Consideration of the Sum of One hundred and Fifty five Pounds Current money of Pennsylvania unto them well and Truly paid by the said John Trout at and Before ye Sealing and Delivery hereof the Receipt whereof they the said Yost Pannakucha and Agnes his Wife and the said Anne Mary Gotshall Doth hereby Acknowledge and thereof Do Acquit and for Ever Discharge the said John Trout his Heirs and Assigns by these presents Have Granted Bargained Sold Released and Confirmed and by these Presents Do Grant Bargain Sell Release and Confirm unto ye said John Trout and to his Heirs and Assigns The One full Equall and Undivided half part of Moiety of a Certain Massuage or Tenement and Grist Mill and of the above Described Twenty five Acres of Land (whereon the said Mill is Erected) Thereto Belonging and of all and singular the Buildings Improvements Mill Races head Waters Mill Ponds Banks Dams Ways Waters Water Courses Streams of Water Woods Rights Liberties Priviledges Hereditaments & Appurtenances whatsoever unto the above mentioned Mills and Twenty five Acres of Land and the aforesaid Allowances Belonging or in any wise Appertaining or Reputed to be any Member or part of the same and the Revertions and Remainders Rents Emoluments Mill Fall Issues and Profits of the said One full Equall and Undivided Moiety or half part. To have and to hold the said One full Equall and Undivided Moiety or half part of the said Water Grist Mill and ye Twenty five Acres of Land and the said Allowances hereditaments and Premises hereby Granted or mentioned to be Granted with the Appurtenances unto the said John Trout and his Heirs and Assigns for Ever Under the Proportionable part of the Yearly Quit Rent (at the Rate of one half Starling (symbol) Acres and for Every Acre thereafter Accruing to ye Chief Lord or Lords of the Fee thereof). And the said Yost Pannakucha and Agnes his Wife and the said Anne Mary Gotshall for themselves and their Heirs Doth hereby Covenant That they said Yost Pannakucha and Agnes his Wife and ye said Anne Mary Gotshall and their Heirs the said One Moiety or One full Equall and Undivided half part of said Grist Mill and of ye said Twenty five Acres of Land and ye said Allowances hereditaments and Premises hereby Granted or mentioned to be Granted with the Appurtenances unto ye said John Trout his Heirs and Assigns against them ye said Yost Pannakucha and Agnes his Wife and ye said Anne Mary Gotshall and their Heirs and Against all and Every other Person and Persons whomsoever Lawfully Claiming or to Claim by from or Under him ye s'd Yost Pannakucha and Agnes his Wife and their Heirs and Against ye said Anne Mary Gotshall and her Heirs Shall and Will Warrant and for Ever Defend by these Presents. In Witness whereof the said Parties to these Presents have Interchangeably Set their Hands and Fixed their Seals hereunto Dated the Day and Year first above Writen. Yost Pannakucha (seal) Agnes (her mark) Pannakucha (seal) Anne Mary (her mark) Gotshall (seal) Sealed and Delivered with ye words parting ye 15 and ye 26 Lines in the presence of Margaret (her mark) Owen Griffith Owen Received on ye Day of ye Date of the within written Deed by ye within Named John Trout the Sum of One hundred and Seventy five Lawfull money of Pennsylvania being the Consideration money within mentioned We Say Rec'd by us Yost Pannakucha Agnes (her mark) Pannakucha Anne Mary (her mark) Gotshall Witnesses present at Signing Margaret (her mark) Owen Griffith Owen Memorandum That on the Nineteenth Day of June Anno Domini 1749. Before me Simon Butler Esq. One of the Justices of ye Peace for the County of Bucks, Came the above Named Yost Pannakucha and Anne Mary Gotshall and Brought the above Written Indenture or Conveyance, which they Acknowledged to be their Act and Deed, and Desired that the same may be Recorded as their Deed. Witness my Hand and Seal the Day and Year above said -- Sim'n Butler (seal) Recorded the 18 Day of July Anno Domini 1754 ______________________________________________________________________ Submitted, transcribed and coded by David L. Boucher, DLB613@mindspring.com. ______________________________________________________________________ Return to the Bucks, Montgomery and Philadelphia Counties Page ______________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:33:50 -0700 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Illinois Marriages for GUDGEL Mia and list- Thanks for submitting this list of GUDGEL marriages. Just as you, I have several I have questions about. Some may be a second wife I didn't have listed or I had the GUDGEL person and not the spouse at all. Allen GUDGEL/Mary RAMAGE Adams Co. 8/131862 who is this? Allen the son of ? James W. RIDER/Elizabeth GUDGEL Coles Co. 3/23/1869 Anyone know who this is? Andrew GUDGELL and Elizabeth MILLER Hancock Co. 2/16/1850 Who is this? Andrew the son of ? Marion GUDGEL/Rebecca VALENTINE Henderson Co. 1/19/1858 I had this one listed as marrying in Terre Haute, IL. Guess it could be Henderson Co., IL? L.D. MEISNER/Mrs. Elizabeth GUDGELL Macoupin Co. 1/20/1890 Who is this? Francis R. YOAKUM/Missouria A. GUDGEL Menard Co. 2/27/1870 Who is this? I have a Missouri Ann GUDGEL but not married to a Mr. Yoakum. James F. GUDGEL/Melissa FERREN Richland Co. 2/22/1877 Is this James the son of John GUDGEL and Mary GREEN? William GUDGEL/Elizabeth BIRD Richland Co. 2/2/1873 William BIRD/Mary E. GUDGEL Richland Co. 7/6/1873 This is strange. Look at the names. Within 5 months of each other in the same year. I had the second one but not the first one. Who are they? Ralph PRITCHARD/Della GUDGEL Richland Co. 3/23/1910 Who is this? Della the dau. of? Charles BROWN/Ola GUDGEL Richland Co. 10/7/1903 Is Ola the dau. of James C. GUDGEL andMalice FARRAR? Samuel J. COCHRAN/Salina E. GUDGEL Richland Co. 9/22/1903 Is this Salina E. the same as Ella GUDGEL, dau. of William Stephen GUDGEL and Melissa C. RICTOR? Elmer V. GUDGEL/Mae GUDGELL Rock Island Co. 6/15/1898 Anyone know who this is? James GUDGEL/Rosette HULVERSON St. Clair Co. 6/28/1893 Anyone know who this is? Herbert HANNIBAL/Caroline GUDGEL Sangamon Co. 1/00/1896 I have a Caroline GUDGEL (1876-1945) with no spouse listed. Dau. of William Alexander GUDGEL and Mary Katherine REEVES. Could this be the right Caroline? Robert A. HIBBS/Caroline GUDGELL Sangamon Co. 7/4/1892 Who is this? Could it be the above Caroline's first marriage? Perry M. GUDGEL/Ollie HUNT White Co. 11/18/1896 This is Perry Morton GUDGEL (1876-1965) son of Abraham M. GUDGEL and Elizabeth WEED. William Leonard GUDGEL/Christina DOSHER White Co. 2/24/1881 Anyone know who this is? Golly, Illinois sure had a lot of GUDGEL's there at one time. Hope some of you can help us identify the ones we don't know. Linda Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:30:56 -0700 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Gibson Co., IN Cemetery Preservation Committee Hi folks- I haven't heard anything from Mr. Lasley but I did find this info. on Gibson Co., IN Cemeteries about some of the work going on. (GUDGEL Cemetery is in Montgomery Township). Guess they are beginning to make some progress. I'll keep you posted when I know anything. Linda *********************************************************************** Gibson County contains over 200 cemeteries. We are in the process of completing an inventory and listing of EVERY cemetery, and have less than half completed. This has turned out to be a monumental task, and may take years to complete, so these numbers are ESTIMATED: Active Cemeteries maintained by a Church or Association: 35 Cemeteries maintained by the Township Trustees: 25 Cemeteries maintained by families or individuals: 25 Abandoned and deteriorating cemeteries: 80 Cemeteries that have yet to be located: 25 Cemeteries that cannot be found, or nothing remains: 20 Gibson County provides NO funding or assistance on cemeteries. Patoka Township has a fund for Care of Cemeteries. At least three other townships provide funding for mowing. The Montgomery Township Trustee organized a project several years ago to clean up many of the abandoned cemeteries in that township, and provides funding to have them mowed at least twice a year. The Patoka Township Trustee is building a fund for Care of Cemeteries, to include cleanup, repairs, fencing, and perpetual maintenance. State Tax Board rules limit how much this can be increased each year, and the Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:54:38 -0400 From: Helen Crossfield To: Glenda Zopff , "Gudgel-List@eskimo.com" , "HAPPYWHW@aol.com WHEIDMAN" Subject: (no subject) As of Nov. 1 my e-mail address will be Smitty@nut-n-but.net Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:36:37 -0700 X-Envelope-From: rcbowen@thegrid.net Sat Oct 23 21:36:37 1999 From: "R. C. BOWEN" Subject: Re: unscribe---rcbowen@impulse.net STILL GETTING MAILTO rcbowen@impulse.net MOCKINGBIRDHILL R. C. BOWEN Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:36:39 -0700 From: "R. C. BOWEN" Subject: Re: subscribe MAIL NOT ROUTED TO rcbowen@the grid.net YET WHAT'S TAKING SO LONG?????????? MOCKINGBIRDHILL R. C. BOWEN Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Hello Cousins! Hi Folks- I haven't had a lot of time lately to research and barely enough time to read my email. But I think of you all everyday. Hope everyone is doing okay. Would like to hear from each of you. Just drop us a line and let us know what you've been up to. Besides working full-time, our local Historical Society has been without a Curator for about 3 months now so we have been keeping it open with volunteers and this has taken up more of my time lately. After also serving on the Interview Committee we have now hired a new person to fill the slot and I think she going to be a real plus for us. In addition we have also have been approved for a Green Thumb worker after waiting 2 years. This is a Federal Program that puts older citizens back to work and they pay their salary. It's 20 hours a week and we can sure use the extra help. So now we have 2 people working! It's great. I've put in a lot of time over the last year trying to help out so hopefully I will have more time to research for myself now . I hope. Our Woodford County Historical Society has grown a lot in the last 3 years. Our membership is now at 225 members and yours truly is the Treasurer for the second year. That's something else that is taking up my time. My husband calls it the Histerical Society and I guess sometimes we are. But I do enjoy it. And knowing that our old Andrew was right here in this county from about 1789 to 1811 just makes it all the more important to me. The Library/Museum is in the restored Big Spring Church (erected 1819) and it is a lovely old two story building. If any of you are ever here I'd love to have you visit. There are also original documents over 200 years old of the GUDSHALL family right here at the courthouse. Woodford Co. is the only place I have seen it spelled that way. I work in the Circuit Clerk's office just across the parking lot from the Historical Society and to enter our building I cross a small bridge over a creek that runs through our town. There is a large cave system under our town and water exits (Big Spring) from under the courthouse and flows all the way to to the Kentucky River at Frankfort. Before reaching the Kentucky River it is known as Glen's Creek and is the same creek that Andrew is said to have had his Mill on. So every morning when I go to work I cross the bridge and it's a warm feeling to think in my mind this is old Andrew's creek. I think of him every day when I cross it. Guess I've rambled enough for tonight. Hope to hear from you guys even if it's just to say "Hi". Linda from the Bluegrass State. Wonderful fall weather and the trees are at their peak of color now. It's also horse racing season here with the fall meet in progress at Keeneland. See ya' Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:15:24 -0800 From: Dianne To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: walking on Old Andrew's land Wow Linda, that was a great description of the area and it must be a great feeling to be there knowing Old Andrew was also! Makes me want to come. How about a photo of the old church that your Histerical Soc is in for our web site? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Kim Gudgel" Subject: Greetings Greetings from the Washington State Branch I just wanted to finally respond to this fantastic family project. I = have talked to Bob several times and even gave him a copy of my Gedcom = files, but I really haven't contributed much to the effort. I now have = over 2600 names in my file and still growing thanks to much of the info = from this forum. I have been ready the emails I receive for the past two years and = really appreciate all of the effort, especially that Linda has put = into her research. =20 I promise I will contribute more later, but just wanted to thank = every one for their efforts in trying to make something out of this very = complex family history. I also want to assist you with your record keeping chores by adding = one more name to the list. Ashyton Bernadette Gudgel was born on August = 16, 1999 to my oldest son Kevin Phelps Gudgel (10/21/1970) and Angie = Pelland. We are very proud grandparents. Again thanks for all of your efforts and I promise to contribute = more. Sincerely Kim Phelps Gudgel (8/11/46) Marysville, Washington Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Hello Cousins and Welcome LUCILLE GUDGEL BOWEN! Hi folks- Has anyone got anything new to tell the list? Surely someone has something to share with us. Anybody doing any researching or searching cemteries, etc.? I have made contact with Mrs. R.C. BOWEN (Lucille GUDGEL BOWEN) of Lompoc, CA, who is 84 years young and she is on the list now. She tells me she is the last living person of her family, the daughter of Bert Allen GUDGEL and Mary Elizabeth PRITCHARD and was born July 28, 1915 in Calhoun, IL. Her family moved from Richaland Co., IL in 1916 to Champaign Co., IL and she lived in Urbana, IL all of her childhood. She came to California in 1943 with her first husband, Donald Jenkins, who was in the Navy. In 1946 they returned to his hometown of Sullican, IL. Then in 1950 they went back to CA so her husband could finish college at Cal-Poly in San Luis Obispo, CA . She has lived in Lompoc, CA ever since. She is now married to her second husband, R.C. BOWEN. Lucille, I hope I got all of that right! Please feel free to write the list and ask any questions you have. I am sure there are others on the list who may be able to help out with your questions. I know some of my elusive GUDGEL's from Indiana went West into Illinois so I am sure you will be a great link for us. One last question......Doyal GUDGEL is looking for a Christmas story to use in the next issue of the GUDGEL Newsletter (Connections). Does anyone have a story to share about any of the GUDGEL's and Christmas? Maybe an old family story that was handed down or something you experienced yourself? Hope everyone had a nice Halloween. TTYL, Linda Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:26:05 -0800 From: "R. C. BOWEN" Subject: Bert Allen Gudgel Does any one know the day & month this occurred? Lucille Elizabeth Gudgel MOCKINGBIRDHILL R. C. BOWEN name="BERT GUDGEL 1945 grp.doc" <> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:14:51 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: picture posting and halloween Please do not post pictures to gudgel-list@eskimo.com It is very hard to delete them from the archive and I'm not sure if everyone can read them anyway. If you have a picture worth putting onto the Gudgel web page, email it to me, bgudgel@eskimo.com I have been kind of busy (or sick) lately, but, William Edward Gudgel sent me some good photos that will be linked soon to the Gudgel page. I'll see if I can get them up this week. Thanks and hope you all had a good halloween. We had 173 kids at our new house in north Everett, WA. boB Gudgel Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:51:49 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: picture posting and halloween Bob Gudgel wrote: > > Please do not post pictures to gudgel-list@eskimo.com > It is very hard to delete them from the archive and I'm > not sure if everyone can read them anyway. > We had 4 count em 4 kids trick or treating. I got an email back from Paul Gudgel pau191@aol.com. Anyone have his correct email address? Bob what does the list have as an address? Maybe aol was just messed up. Doyal Gudgel From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: FW: Old Timer's Poem Cc: DWilson620@aol.com, Kwgiles@aol.com, Spike00@lex.infi.net.Smitty@nut-n-but.net, woodford@qx.net My daughter sent me this and I just had to share it with all of you. Enjoy! Linda > Old Timer's Poem > > > A computer was something on TV > From a science fiction show of note. > A window was something you hated to clean.... > And ram was the cousin of a goat..... > > > Meg was the name of a girl > And gig was a job for the nights > Now they all mean different things > And that really mega bytes >> > > An application was for employment > A program was a TV show > A cursor used profanity > A keyboard was a piano > > > > Memory was something that you lost with age > And CD was a bank account > And if you had a 3-inch floppy > You hoped nobody found out > > > Compress was something you did to the garbage > Not something you did to a file > And if you unzipped anything in public > You'd be in jail for a while > > > > Log on was adding wood to the fire > Hard drive was a long trip on the road > A mouse pad was where a mouse lived > And a backup happened to your commode > > > > Cut you did with a pocket knife > Paste you did with glue > A web was a spider's home > And a virus was the flu > > > > I guess I'll stick to my pen and paper > And the memory in my head > I hear nobody's been killed in a computer crash > But when it happens they wish they were dead! > > > >(author unknown) > > > > > From: "Nancy Miller" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:47:17 -0800 Enjoyed Linda's poem, and thought you might enjoy this one I received from another list. Nancy >>> FAMILY TREE >>> >>> I climbed my family tree and found it was not worth the climb. >>> And so, I scampered down, convinced it was a waste of time. >>> >>> Some branches of my tree, I found, were rotten to the core. >>> And, all the tree was full of sap and hung with nuts galore! >>> I used to brag of my kinfolk, before I made the climb, >>> but truth compels me not to tell of those not worth a dime. >>> And I beg friends who boast aloud of their ancestors great, >>> To climb their family tree and learn of those who weren't so straight. >>> I've learned what family trees are like, I've seen them growing 'round. >>> They're like a 'tater' vine because, the best are underground! >>> Author unknown >> >>______________________________ > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:06:38 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Abraham GUDGEL and Elizabeth HARBISON Hi Folks- Some months ago I tried to begin organizing my piles of unfiled notes and I began with Abraham GUDGEL. Sort of got off track but I am trying to finish what I started. Heaven knows how long it will take me . So my question is this: Does anyone know if Abraham GUDGEL, Sr., who married Elizabeth HARBISON July 12, 1808 in Woodford Co., KY, had any other children other than a son also named Abraham? The father, Abraham, was born in 1786 (most likely in PA) and died October, 1815 in Indiana. Where is Abraham, Sr. and Elizabeth HARBISON GUDGEL buried? The son named Abraham was born 1814 in Clark Co., IN, and died 1880. He had married Anne Elizabeth BURCH in 1838 Clark Co., IN. He and Anne appeared in the following census records: 1840-Saluda Twp., Jefferson Co., IN 1850-Saluda Twp., Jefferson Co., IN 1860-Richland Co., IL 1870-Richland Co., IL 1880-Richland Co., IL Is Richland Co., IL in the town of Claremont, IL? Abraham died November 29, 1880 (where?). He is buried in Leach Cemetery, Petty Township, Lawrence Co., IL. I feel sure there were other children but this Abraham is the only one I have listed. Can anyone help with this? More later. Thanks, Linda Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:42:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Abraham GUDGEL and Elizabeth HARBISON From: W Gudgel Hi Linda, I enjoy reading the records you posted about Abraham GUDGEL, Sr. He is direct line family to me. Your letter to the Gudgel-List gives: b. 1786 m. 12 July, 1808 to Elizabeth HARBISON d. Oct. 1815 in Indiana He was only 29 years old by your records (31 by mine). Either way, that is very young even for the early 1800's. Do you have any record of what Abraham Sr. died of? My records are minimal but I only list Abraham GUDGEL, Sr. with one child ... Abraham GUDGEL, Jr. Bill Gudgel of Evansville, IN Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:10:18 -0800 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: More research notes-Jefferson Co., IN - GUDGEL's Hi Folks- Well, I am at it again tonight- trying to sort out a few more pages... Two days in a row amazes myself . I have some notes that came to me several years ago from Nancy GUDGEL SMITH (sister of Bill GUDGEL of Evansville, IN) and there are some Census Records from 1860 Graham Township, Jefferson Co., IN. I can identify all of the families except for one, and then another one is incomplete. Can anyone help me out here? Who is this family? GUDGEL, Amos 26M Mary 23F Hester A, 5F John 22M Also a part of the page was cut off and I can't read it-was also the same year and location of above census: I believe it is the family of Harvey GUDGEL, who married Frances WHITE. He was the son of John GUDGEL & Jane HARBISON. GUDGEL, Frances William A. 12M Mary A. 10F Andrew J. 8M Hannah 6F John R. 4M GUDGEL, David 50M Bill GUDGEL- I also have your copies made of the research your sister, Nancy, sent me. If you'll send me your address (again, please!) I will mail them to you. Thanks to anyone who can halp me out on this. Linda Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 04:33:02 -0800 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Leach Cem.-Lawrence Co., IL-GUDGEL's One more item I need help on- One a list for the Leach Cemetery-Lawrence Co., IL I find a couple of burial sites I can't identify- Elizabeth GUDGEL GROGAN- (no dates, but note-had 1 child-Charles GROGAN, who marr. Lilly COMBS. They had 7 children, one who was Ruth GROGAN COCHRAN). Matt GUDGEL- (no dates, but married Bub JONES. Children Anna CLEREY and Logan JONES). Anyone know who these people are and where they fit in? Thanks for any help. Linda Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:38:48 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Family line of Edward Monjoy GUDGEL Mary- I wish I could help you but I am stumped on this one. I have a huge file on Missouri GUDGEL(L)'s that I just can't seem to fit together with my existing lines to make any sense. I will be watching to see what you find because I feel your answers will surely help me with mine also. I must be missing some links. I've always had problems with the Missouri and Illinois lines of the GUDGEL(L)'s. Good luck and keep us posted. Linda in Kentucky Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:12:41 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Try this for some fun........ This really isn't genealogy but it's a great way to learn more about each other! Maybe we will discover some strange character traits we have inherited! >>Here's what you're supposed to do...Copy this entire >>e-mail and change the answers so they apply to you. Then >>send it to all the people you know, INCLUDING ME! >>You should get back a lot of e-mails and learn a lot >>about your friends that maybe you didn't know. Please >>take 10 minutes of your day to do this... Linda >> >>FULL NAME: Linda GUDGEL FINNELL > >>NICKNAME: Herbie or GUDGE' >> >>BIRTHPLACE: Franklin Co., KY (raised in Anderson Co., KY) >> >>HOMETOWN: now, Versailles, KY > >>CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Both! >> >>FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Ranch >> >>EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: Tonsils >> >>SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Shampoo and Mousse >> >>HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: I can't tell you everything! >> >>EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: Not that I'm aware of. >> >>BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: I like to think they're all my friends. >> >>ONE PILLOW OR TWO: One with the corner folded under. >> >>PETS: None now--but we have a "grand-dog" we're crazy about- Annie. > >>FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: Easy listening, soft rock, >> >>DREAM CAR: Corvette- some day! > >>WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW: 1992 Red Lumina >> >>FIRST CAR: 1954 Ford- Green, with a choke. My "oogie". >> >>FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: Crest Paste (Tarter Control) >> >>FAVORITE FOOD: Anything but stewed tomatoes. PHEW! >> >>DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): I guess I was a Daddy's girl, but my mother is another story. > >>FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Cemeteries and Research libraries. >> >>FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Homemade Brand Mint Chocolate >> >>FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Diet Coke >> >>FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Aggravation >> >>WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: I really don't have one. >> >>FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: Fall >> >>ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: Reebok >> >>FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: Anne Klein II >> >>FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: History, Psychology >> >>LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: Algebra >> >>FAVORITE TV SHOW: Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune >> >>FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: Just about any Biography >> >>FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Dirty Dancing. >> >>FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: Horse Racing >> >>ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: My love of genealogy and researching makes people think I'm crazy sometimes. >> >>SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT SENT THIS: Stacey knows me pretty well and is very preceptive-I will send this to the GUDGEL-List >just as she said I would! She's a sweetie. >> >>THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S LEAST LIKELY TO >>RESPOND: Hard to say-some are very busy but I'd love to know more about them personally. >>THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S MOST LIKELY TO >>RESPOND: Hopefully all of them will reply. This could get interesting! > > > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Edward Monjoy GUDGEL(L) Gardner and Mary- I have seen this name MONJOY before in discussing this line and I feel sure it is a variation of the name MOUNTJOY which is, as Gardner said, an allied surname of the Anderson Co., KY GUDGEL lines. Actually, my Dad pronounced it as MON-JOY and everyone else called it MOUNT-JOY. Thanks for catching that. I had forgotten to mention it. Linda To: bgudgel@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:46:06 -0800 Subject: Gudgel-list-request and Smartlist From: W Gudgel Hi Bob, I have my e-mail provider program (Juno) set up to automatically record every new address in my address book. I guess some one must have subscribed to the Gudgel-list and the program forwarded the request address to me. Thanks for the information. Smartlist sounds like a very interesting program. I have been discussing the way e-mail is distributed on the Gudgel-list with some of the executive officers in the Tri-State Ski Club. We are considering setting up a Web Page for the club and including an e-mail forwarding service so our members can keep up with late breaking news in the club and freely communicate their ideas and invitations to events to the rest of the club. Is smartlist a part of an e-mail program or is it a stand alone program that works in conjunction with an e-mail provider program? Do you have to be on the list to send mail through the system or can undesirables be blocked? Can this program be set up to keep SPAM mail off of the list? Can you tell me who to contact to find out more about how the program works? Have a great week and thanks again for the information. Bill Gudgel of Evansville, IN From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:41:24 EST Subject: Re: Try this for some fun........ Here's what you're supposed to do...Copy this entire e-mail and change the answers so they apply to you. Then send it to all the people you know, INCLUDING ME! You should get back a lot of e-mails and learn a lot about your friends that maybe you didn't know. Please take 10 minutes of your day to do this... Linda FULL NAME: David Francis GUDGEL NICKNAME: Dave or GUDGE' (How about that Linda? The GUDGE' was in high school and college) BIRTHPLACE: Ainsworth, Nebraska HOMETOWN: now, Tucson, AZ CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Bacon bits FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Bleu Cheese EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: Neither SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Shampoo HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: Sure, hasn't everyone? EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: No. BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: I like to think they're all my friends (sorry to use your line, Linda). ONE PILLOW OR TWO: One PETS: None now FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: Easy listening, soft rock, 60's and 70's Pop DREAM CAR: Don't really have one. WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW: 1999 Buick Park Avenue FIRST CAR: 1957 Chevy. I wish I still had it. Had to sell it to get money to finish college. FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: Mentadent FAVORITE FOOD: Pork (strange for someone that grew up on a cattle ranch and still owns one.) DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): Dad died 18 years ago. Get along great with my mother. FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Australia FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Maple Pecan FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Root Beer FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Scrabble WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: I really don't have one. FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: Fall ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: Really don't care, but have one pair of Nikes. Mostly wear Justin boots. FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: None FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: All math courses except Calculus (lousy professor) LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: English FAVORITE TV SHOW: All Ken Burns specials on PBS. Second choice, Hallmark Hall of Fame. FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: I read mostly US History. No particular author, but really like Stephen Ambrose.. FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: NASCAR races. ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: Probably. SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT SENT THIS: I only met Linda FINNELL and her husband Gary once. That was this past June. We had a great time with them and they seemed like great people. THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S LEAST LIKELY TO RESPOND: Don't have any idea. THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S MOST LIKELY TO RESPOND: Hopefully all of them will reply. This could get interesting! From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 8 12:14:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA06273; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:11:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:11:41 -0800 Message-ID: <002101bf2a25$78542440$3eeb1ad0@gardnerg> From: "Gardner Gudgel" To: Subject: Fw: Try this for some fun........ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:11:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"wOfTE1.0.yX1.zvo9u"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1107 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Try this for some fun........ > Here's what you're supposed to do...Copy this entire e-mail and change the > answers so they apply to you. Then send it to all the people you know, > INCLUDING ME! You should get back a lot of e-mails and learn a lot about > your friends that maybe you didn't know. Please take 10 minutes of your day > to do this... > Linda > > FULL NAME: Gerald GUDGEL > > NICKNAME: Jerry, GUDGE, DOC > BIRTHPLACE: Louisville, KY > HOMETOWN: Tonasket, WA > > CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Crouton > FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Bleu Cheese > > EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: Tonsils > > SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Both > > HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: Sure > EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: Yes, OK possession of marijuana > BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: Yes > ONE PILLOW OR TWO: Two > PETS: Three dogs and one cat > > FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: All > > DREAM CAR: Any vehical that doesn't use carbon fuels > WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW: 1988 Jeep comanchee, '90 BMW 325ic > FIRST CAR: 1953 Ford bought it for $25, in '61 > > FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: Crest > > FAVORITE FOOD: everything except brusselsprouts > > DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): Dad died in '81, Mom's in a nursing home, I was a mamma's boy > > FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Viet Nam > > FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia > > FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Dr. Pepper > > FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Poker > > WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: When I can't sleep at night > > FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: Winter > > ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: I don't wear tennis shoes > > FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: None > > FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: Math and Art > > LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: Latin > > FAVORITE TV SHOW: X Files > > FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: Arther C. Clark sci-fi > > FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Until the End of the World > > FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: no! > > ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: My Wife thinks so > > SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT SENT THIS: What can I say about family I haven't met yet > > THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S LEAST LIKELY TO RESPOND: Don't have any > idea. > > THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S MOST LIKELY TO RESPOND: Hopefully all of > them will reply. This could get interesting! > > From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:42:24 EST Subject: Try this for some fun........ >>Here's what you're supposed to do...Copy this entire >>e-mail and change the answers so they apply to you. Then >>send it to all the people you know, INCLUDING ME! >>You should get back a lot of e-mails and learn a lot >>about your friends that maybe you didn't know. >> >>FULL NAME: Nancy GIBSON DINGMAN >>NICKNAME: Nancy >>BIRTHPLACE: Des Moines, Polk Co., IA >>HOMETOWN: now, Still here in Des Moines >>CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Croutons >>FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Italian >>EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: Still own them >>SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Shampoo >>HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: No, I've led a sheltered life >>EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: No >>BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: All >>ONE PILLOW OR TWO: Two >>PETS: A. J. Kat >>FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: The 50's >>DREAM CAR: Corvette >>WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW: Chevrolet van >>FIRST CAR: 49 Chevy coupe >>FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: Crest Paste (Tarter Control) >>FAVORITE FOOD: Pizza >>DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): Yes with my mother. My dad died when I was 3 yrs old. >>FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Genelogical library at our historical building. >>FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Maple nut >>FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Cream soda >>FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Pinocle, cribbage, pictionary >>WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: When the bills arrive >>FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: Spring >>ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: Reebok >>FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: Obsession >>FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: Science, typing >>LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: English >>FAVORITE TV SHOW: Provdence >>FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: ? >>FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Breakfast at Tifanys >>FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: Ice skating >>ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: ? Could be. >>SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT SENT THIS: She sent me this survey. >>THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S LEAST LIKELY TO RESPOND: Don't know. >>THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S MOST LIKELY TO RESPOND: You This could get interesting! > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:37:24 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Fun Survey for GUDGEL's Okay....let's hear from all you guys on the survey. Thanks so far to Gardner, Dave and Nancy. This is quite interesting I think. After all, it's kind of hard to really know someone through email . Something of interest so far......3 of us have had GUDGE' as a nickname at some point. Most of us like Crest toothpaste too :) And two of us would like to have a Corvette! Come on now...it only takes a few minutes. Let's have some fun with this. Linda From: "Stacey Gudgel" Subject: FUN FUN FUN I am the one who originally sent this to Linda...thought she would get a = kick out of this. I figured I would reply to the list so we can see = what we all have in common.......... >FULL NAME: Stacey Lee Gudgel > NICKNAME: Spacey (now) Haunted with the name GUDGE' all through = school, the proof is in my yearbook...we are all cursed.... :) > BIRTHPLACE: Worcester, MA > HOMETOWN: Leominster, MA > > CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Bacon Bits Definately > FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Ranch > EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: Nope > > SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Both with my frizzy curls I have too > > HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: Not all the way > EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: Not that I know of > BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: Same as in "real" life > ONE PILLOW OR TWO: Two and a stuffed bear > PETS: A pain in the butt cat, Tigger and a Guinea pig, Twister > > FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: Everything except Country Western > > DREAM CAR: Any car that doesnt stall and lasts longer than a year > WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW: 1993 Chrysler LeBaron > FIRST CAR: 1969 Chevy Nova (The "Grape Ape" blue paint was so worn it = looked purple) > > FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: Colgate Total > > FAVORITE FOOD: Anything Spicy or Italian > > DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): Yes, but one more than the other > FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Havent been there yet > > FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Breyers Mint Chocolate Chip > > FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Orange Cream > > FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Scrabble > > WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: Morning > FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: Spring > > ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: Nike > > FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: Peach Mango Body Splash > > FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: Health and Psychology > > LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: History > > FAVORITE TV SHOW: Real World and Investigative Reports > > FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: Pet Cemetary, Steven King > > FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Before Sunrise > > FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: My son playing baseball > > ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: My strange sense of humor that not = alot of people "get" From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 8 20:03:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11646; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:02:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:02:27 -0800 Message-ID: <38279D11.B40849D8@eskimo.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:03:29 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gudgel list Subject: Re: Fw: Try this for some fun........ References: <002101bf2a25$78542440$3eeb1ad0@gardnerg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Tofs3.0.sr2.Jpv9u"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1111 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com I'll have to watch this because I have a daughter, son and maybe brother reading this. FULL NAME: Doyal Gudgel NICKNAME: GUDGE, BIRTHPLACE: Blythe California HOMETOWN: Lake Forest Park WA CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Crouton FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Bleu Cheese EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: Tonsils SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Shampoo HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: Sure EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: Speeding BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: Except for Gudgel list Chuck Melton in MO. ONE PILLOW OR TWO: Three PETS: None FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: All Except bebop and modern jazz DREAM CAR: Any vehicle that runs WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW: 90 dodge van FIRST CAR: 53 Kaiser FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: Cheapest FAVORITE FOOD: Protein DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): Fine FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Italy FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Can't eat ice cream FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Diet Coke FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Is footise a game? WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: Coffee in the AM FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: Spring, Summer, Fall, winter. When you get to be 78 ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: Anything that fits. FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: History FAVORITE TV SHOW: The antique road show that isn't repeated more than 3 times. FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: David Irving FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: All Quiet on the Western Front FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: I've gone upwards and onwards ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: Nothing I would admit to. -- From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 8 20:14:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA15494; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:13:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:13:21 -0800 Message-ID: <004001bf2a68$d9466d60$4718a5d1@nteel> From: "Nancy Miller" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Try this for some fun.... Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:13:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0HaJx1.0.0o3.Xzv9u"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1113 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com FULL NAME: Nancy Katherine TEEL MILLER NICKNAME: as a kid I'd get the dreaded "Nanny goat" BIRTHPLACE: Missoula, Montana HOMETOWN: now Tehachapi, California CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Croutons FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Ranch EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: Tonsils SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Shampoo HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: No EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: No BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: Hopefully all of them ONE PILLOW OR TWO: One PETS: None now, since the death of beloved yellow lab FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: Classical, show tunes DREAM CAR: I let my husband dream about cars and his dream is a Corvette. WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW: 1996 Jeep Grand cherokee, 4 wheel drive FIRST CAR: I think it was a 1938 Ford - this was in about 1951 FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: none - not recommended with my electric toothbrush. FAVORITE FOOD: Shrimp DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): Put that in the past tense and I'd say definitely yes. Father's been dead 45 years and mother 2, but I never had a problem getting along with either. FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Any GOOD genealogical library. FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Starbucks FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Diet Coke FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: pinocle, tripoli WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF THE DAY: Before I get out ot bed in the morning. FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: Fall ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: Reebok, if I can't get Rockport FAVORITE PERFUNE OR COLOGNE: none - makes me sneeze FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: Math, Chemistry LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: P.E. FAVORITE TV SHOW: News FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: Sue Grafton (ABC murders) FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: African Queen FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: Gymnastics ANYTHING "DIFFERENCT" ABOUT YOU? Not that I know of! SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT SENT THIS: Linda, you do a great job of keeping this list alive and working on putting the GUDGELS together. Thanks for all your work. THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S LEAST LIKELY TO RESPOND and also WHO'S MOST LIKELY TO RESPOND: These last two are difficult to answer, since I've never met any of the people on the list and don't have any idea who they are. But it's been fun. Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:43:20 -0900 From: Dianne Subject: survey >> >>FULL NAME: Dianne Gudgel-Holmes >>NICKNAME: Di or Gudge >>BIRTHPLACE: Seattle, WA >>HOMETOWN: ? If this means now, then Anchorage, Alaska >>CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Neither >>FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Light Done Right--Raspberry >>EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: T >>SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Shampoo or conditioner what? A person can't just use conditioner--can they? >>HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: Are you kidding? 40 yrs in Alaska with mosquitoes &/or glaciers >>EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: Do parking tickets and speeding count? >>BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: Alaska Airlines weekly web special fares. We need to get out of here sometimes . >>ONE PILLOW OR TWO: none--it's better for the neck >>PETS: the dog next door, Gilly--Australian sheep dog >>FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: John Denver or classical, but NOT country western or zydaco >>DREAM CAR: whatever doesn't need repairs and gets 30+ m/p/ gallon >>WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW: '79 ford truck (currently in hibernation), or '90 Subaru 4x4 wagon >>FIRST CAR: black and white Metropolitan--can't recall how old it was in '63 but I had to carry around a gal of oil >>FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: someone is assuming all of us have teeth >>FAVORITE FOOD: whatever my Indonesian neighbor is eating tonight >>DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): sure--they're thousands of miles away >>FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Genealogy libraries and Halibut Cove, Alaska. Seattle isn't bad either >>FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Sorry, I don't consume dairy products, but fresh berry Sorbet is good >>FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: water from our well >>FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Pictionary or cribbage >>WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: Evening, when the "list of things to do" has grown longer, not shorter >>FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: fall >>ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: with a kid in college--who can afford anything but K-mart specials? >>FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: Ivory soap, but if Santa wants to send some Hawaiian white ginger, that's ok >>FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: Science >>LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: math/latin >>FAVORITE TV SHOW: Actually we listen to National Public Radio all the time but if the TV is on, it's on PBS >>FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: Actually haven't read a whole book for ... so if magazines count--Discover >>FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Flandango (an early, very funny and rather gross Kevin Cosner film) >>FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: I don't like to watch much of anything, but DO--yes--cross country skiing & hiking >>ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: That's not fair, is it? But I'll let ya 'al decide. >>SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT SENT THIS: Well, I haven't met Linda Finnell, but I'm sure glad she is so dedicated to this genealogy stuff and hope she hangs in there to keep it going as some of you guys are WAY too quiet. >>THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S LEAST LIKELY TO RESPOND: Doesn't apply does it? >>THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S MOST LIKELY TO RESPOND: My brother boB, the creator of our Gudgel web site. Right? You will respond won't you dear brother? Do we get to edit the other folks comments if we know them so they'll more accurately reflect the person? Wait, better delete that idea. From: "M. Wingert" Subject: Fw: Try this for some fun........ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:23:43 -0600 > >> > >>FULL NAME: Mary Stanley Wingert (late Husband's ggrandmother was a Gudgel) > >>NICKNAME Dot or Stan or Grandma or Mom-- Just holler, I'll answer!! >BIRTHPLACE: Clay County IL > >> > >>HOMETOWN: Olney> > >CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: both> > > FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: >garlic ranch >> > > >EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: Appendix ; with another surgical procedure> > >> > >>SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: both > >> HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: of course, hasn't everybody?? > >> EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: no > >> BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: CJ , Grizzly, & Hodo > ONE PILLOW OR TWO: three > >> >DREAM CAR: none WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW :Black 1981 Ford LTD Crown Vic> It is old enough to vote & NEVER leaves me stranded anywhere. 67,000 actual miles, one driver car. > FIRST CAR: 1953 Crown Vic (blue with white top) >FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: closeup> >> & FAVORITE FOOD Veggie soup & anything that swims , ie Crab legs, lobster etc DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): I guess so, Mom died in 1955, Dad died 1958. Hard for them to yell at me now. > > > >>FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Cemeteries, spring & fall--Courthouses winter & summer, FAVORITE ICECREAM: Butter Pecan FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Root Beer FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: none > >> > >>WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: middle of night when can't sleep, otherwise anytime before 2nd cup of coffee in the morning. I'm a nite person. > > >>FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR spring > >> ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: Rockport > >> FOVORITE MUSIC: C / W > >> FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: Nina Ricci's L'air du Temps > >> FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: recess (math & science ) LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: History > >> > >>FAVORITE TV SHOW: Diagnosis Murder > >> FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: historical romance (Civil war era) > >> FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Purple Heart > FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: Baseball, Cubbies & Braves > >> > >>ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: I sure hope so > > >SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT SENT THIS one nice thing >> >FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: major league baseball, college basketball GO BIG BLUE !!!!! Horse racing. > PETS; none since my horse died > > >THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S LEAST LIKELY TO > >>RESPOND N/A I've never met any of them >> THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S MOST LIKELY TO > >>RESPOND: Hopefully everyone > > > > > > To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:46:40 -0800 Subject: Try this for some fun ........ FULL NAME: William E. GUDGEL NICKNAME: Bill or GUDGE' BIRTHPLACE: Evansville, Indiana HOMETOWN: Evansville, Indiana CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Neither - prefer raisins or sunflower seeds FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Thousand Island EVER HAD TONSILS/APPENDIX REMOVED: No SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Shampoo HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: No EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: No BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: I have no favorites, either you are a friend or you aren't. ONE PILLOW OR TWO: Two PETS: Fresh water Tropical Rainbowfishes FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: Easy Listening, Classic Rock, Classical (Mozart, Bach, Tchaikovsky, Pachelbel, Chopin, etc.), Contemporary Gospel, DREAM CAR: Prefer Vans and Pickup Trucks, WHAT YOU DRIVE NOW: Ford Ranger FIRST CAR: 1957 Pontiac Coupe FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: Colgate Gel (Tarter Control) FAVORITE FOOD: Pizza, Shrimp, Ham, Barbecue DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S): Yes FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Nature FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Rocky Road or Goo Goo Clusters (Chocolate) FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Root Beer, Dr. Pepper, or Sprite FAVORITE FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Not into games WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: Don't have a particular bad time of day. FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: There are things about all seasons I enjoy. I just change my activities to suit the season. ADIDAS, NIKE, REEBOK: Tony Lama, Justin, Dan Post, Asics, Nike FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: Aramis or Halstons I-12 FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: Shop and Speech Class LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: Math FAVORITE TV SHOW: Science Fiction, Sitcoms, Documentaries, Nature, etc. FAVORITE BOOK OR AUTHOR: The Bible, Books and Magazines about: Photography , Videography, and Computers. FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Nothing comes to mind. FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: Snow Skiing, ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: Yes SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT SENT THIS: Linda has always been friendly and helpful with my genealogy research. THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S LEAST LIKELY TO RESPOND: Don't Know. THE PERSON(S) YOU SENT THIS TO WHO'S MOST LIKELY TO RESPOND: I think everyone will but because of their schedules, some From: "Kim Gudgel" To: "Lynn &David Hammond" , "Kevin Gudgel"