START: 8-21-2000 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: GUDGEL CEMETERY SITES Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:31:52 -0400 Here's a response from a happy family member! I love it when someone connects! BTW, you can access the site where I found this info. from the Cemetery section of the Jefferson Co., IN GenWeb page. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:39 AM Subject: Re: GUDGEL CEMETERY SITES > Hi Linda--- > > Just read your info on the Gudgel cemetery sites you found on the > internet. I'm pretty sure that the first one is my great grandmother's first > husband (Robert E. Gudgel, husband of S. A. Gudgel). Her name was Sallie > Avelyn Gudgel (don't quote me on the spelling of her name, there's still some > confusion on that). Thank you so much for finding it! What is the internet > site that you found it on? > > I haven't had very much time to work on genealogy for a while, but I'm > still enjoying reading what comes up on the Gudgel List. > Kellee Meyer From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: geneology Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:35:18 -0400 Another positive response! Are we on a roll? I did respond to both of these researchers privately but wanted to share with all of you too. How about everyone digging out some old clippings, obits, or keepsakes you've stuck away somewhere. We'd love to know about what you've collected. Unless, of course, you have found all you need to know : ) Later, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Ron Woodfill" To: Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 6:54 PM Subject: geneology > Linda, > I believe you have located my long lost great great grandfather, Joseph > Woodfill Jr. son of Joseph Sr. and Catherine Gudshall. I had suspected he > had move to Jeffersonville Indiana but was not able to varify same. what > was the source of your information and how can I follow up on this? I now > know where all of my male forefathers are with the exception of the > immigrant Joseph who started this whole tribe And I have a good lead on him. > captron > From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:33:39 EDT Subject: Obits-Myrtle Gudgel and Gertrude Gudgel Part of my findings for last summer (1999) in Sherman Texas. Exact quotes from newspaper. Obits for "Mrs. Myrtle Gudgel Services will be held at 10 A.M. Friday in the Waldo Funeral Chapel for Mrs. Myrtle Z. Gudgel, 82, widow of 315 W. McLain Drive, who died Wednesday at Sherman Nursing home. Services will be conducted by the Rev. Jerry P. Ott of Key Memorial United Methodist Church, With burial at the Georgetown Cemetery. Mrs. Gudgel ws born at Preston Bend, daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Walter W. Steel and was married to Lawrence David Gudgel Sr., on Dec. 17, 1912 at Pottsboro. She lived in San Angelo (Texas) for a number of years, returning to Sherman in 1948. She was a member of the East Sherman Baptist Church. Survivors are a son, Capt. L.D. Gudgel Jr. (Police Captain I believe) of Sherman and four grandchildren. The family will be at the funeral home from 7 to 8 P.M. Thursday and other times at 901 S. Andrews. Pallbearers will be Chief Johnny Burleson, Capt. J.D. Pickens, Capt. Bobby Bell, Tom Flowers, James Tremmel and Neal Gilbert." >From the Sherman Democrat--March 16, 1978 ______________________________________________________________________ Second Obit: From the Sherman Democrat--Feb 23, 1964 Pg. 11 "Retired Woodman Home Worker Dies Funeral services will be held at 9:30 a.m. Monday at the Woodman Circle Home for Mrs. Gertrude Gudgel, 84, who died Friday at 3:35 p.m. in a Sherman hospital. She had been employed by the Woodman Circle Home until retiring in 1958. Since that time she had been living at the home. Dr. Tom Brandon, pastor of the First Baptist Church, will conduct services. Burial will be in West Hill Cemetery under direction of Waldo Funeral Home. Oscar Noel of Dorchester, Joe Davidson of Gordonville, Gus Britt of Lamesa, J. A. Alexander of Sherman, Dr. Harold Britt of Garland and Jimmy Sledge of Whitesboro will be pallbearers. Mrs. Gudgel was born Nov. 12, 1879, in Lebanon, Okla., a daughter of Dr. and Mrs. Richard Saunders. She was the widow of C. M. Gudgel, who died 17 years ago. She was a member of the Baptist Church. She is survived by two nieces, Mrs. John Pitts of Sherman and Mrs. Fred Sledge of Whitesboro; and one nephew, R. H. Morrison of Oakland, Calif." Note from kinfolks in Pottsboro--She was Charley's wife (Gertrude S. Gudgel). They had no kids. Note from me: I do not know of a Lebanon, Okla. Also in 1879 it would have been Indian Territory, not Oklahoma. I do know of a Lebanon Ohio, near Dayton Ohio. Hope this helps someone Major (Dr.) Larry Gudgel, USAF Dayton Ohio From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:51:23 EDT Subject: Obits-George Gudgel and Mrs. Fannie (Nettie) J. Gudgel Part of my findings for last summer (1999) in Sherman Texas. Exact quotes from newspaper. Obits for "George Gudgel Bonham-George Washington Gudgel, 83-year old retired livestock worker of Bonham, died Monday, at a Bonham hospital. Services will be held at 2 P.M. today in Wise Funeral Chapel. Burial will be on the New Hope Cemetery. Mr. Gudgel was born in Pottsboro, the son of Clarence and Nettie Mangus Gudgel, and married Mae Dickey on Aug. 3, 1967, at Bonham. He was employed by the Bonham Sale Barn for 20 years. Surviving are his wife; and brother, Kenneth Gudgel of Bonham" Printed March 1, 1989 in the Sherman Democrat __________________________________________________________ Also in the Sherman Democrat is the following-Aug 16, 1936, pg 9 "Mrs. Fannie J. Gudgel. Denison--Mrs. Fannie Jeanette Gudgel, 62 died at 10:30 a.m. Friday at her country home on Hagerman route 1. Funeral services were to be held at 4 p.m. Saturday, the Rev. Ray Short of Pottsboro and the Rev. Mr. King of Cedar Mills officiating. Interment was to follow at Cedar Mills with Short and Murray of Denison in Charge. Surviving relatives include her husband, Clarence Gudgel; four sons, Charlie, George and Kenneth Gudgel of Hagerman and John Gudgel of Pampa; a daughter, Mrs. John Pierson of Pottsboro; a brother, Henry Mangus of Hollis, Okla; and two sisters, Mrs. Jane Johnson and Mrs. Julia Johnson of Hagerman. Mrs. Gudgel was born in Hamilton County Illinois, June 22, 1874, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Joseph C. Mangus. She was married to Mr. Gudgel Sept. 20, 1896. at Cedar Mills where she had resided since 1881." Note from relative in Pottsboro--She was known as Nettie Hope this helps someone Major (Dr.) Larry Gudgel, USAF Dayton Ohio From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel Obits Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:00:33 -0400 Thanks to Larry for sending these obits. Every clue is one step further in our searches and everyone's information is important to us. Everyone have a great day. Linda From: DenneyRes@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:55:15 EDT Subject: Robert Gudgel Robert Gudgel was the son of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel, son of Henry Gudgel. He married Sally Evelyn Spindle, born in Summittville, Tennessee. She was referred to as "Ave." He died six weeks after they married from what was believed to be a ruptured appendix. He asked his brother Holland Porter Gudgel to take care of her. She then married Holland Porter Gudgel (Hollie). They had eight children. The old Oakland Cemetery is in Oakland, Oklahoma about 4 miles from Madill in Marshall County. Oakland was named for a surrounding grove of oak trees. At the time Robert died, Oakland was in Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory. His grave is in the middle of the cemetery still in good condition. Does anyone have the directions to the Kentucky History Center, I think in Lexington? Shirley Denney Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:30:29 -0700 From: "Gardner Gudgel" Subject: new email address We got a new email address it is starmon@nvinet.comstarmon@nvinet.com From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Tartt's History of Gibson Co., IN- 1884 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:50:49 -0400 Hi Folks- Wanted to let you know that I have purchased and received a copy of the above book from the Gibson Co. D.A.R.. It is fully indexed and a really nice book. It was $42.50, hardbound, and very good quality. I thought as time permits I would submit some items to the list. Most of us have seen some portions of it through our research but I doubt everyone has seen all of the entrie, unless you have the book. If anyone needs a lookup I will be happy to do it "as time permits". Hope everyone is doing okay. Linda from wonderful late-summer weather in KY. Fall can't be far off : ) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gudgel stuff Hi cybercousins! You can now get to my Gudgel web page by going to www.gudgel.org The catch is that there is an ad banner at the bottom of the page when you access it this way. It's just an easy way to remember it. You can just click on the "new window" link at the top and a new browser window will come up without the ads. Also, I was checking my links for link rot (no longer working links) and found that the civil war letters translated from Shelby Graylin Gudgel no longer there. Does anybody know where those might have gone? the link used to be: http://www.thnet.com/~liggetkw/incw/letters/67th/SHELBYbio.htm It would be nice to keep these on the web site if possible. William, should I put a link to your email address on the page for subscriptions to the Connections newsletter? Not too much happening up here in Everett WA except fixing vehicles and trying to finish painting the south side of our house before fall comes. Bob From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 9 19:23:37 2000 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Meaning of "TAPS". Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:18:21 -0400 > > Hi Folks- I got this from another list and thought it was rather interesting. Thought maybe we could all learn from this and wanted to share it. Linda > >> > > In a message dated 8/14/2000 9:48:46 PM Central Daylight Time, Dwhite8381 > writes: > > << Taps > > I too, have felt the chills while listening to "Taps" but I have > never seen all the words to the song until now. I didn't even know there > was more > than one verse. I also never knew the story behind the song and I didn't > know if you had either so I thought I'd pass it along. I now have an even > deeper respect for the song than I did before. We have all heard the > haunting song, "Taps." It's the song that gives us that lump in our > throats and usually creates tears in our eyes. But, do you know the story > behind the song? If not, I think you will be delighted to find out about > it's humble beginnings. It all began in 1862 during the Civil War, when > Union Army Captain Robert Ellicombe was with his men near Harrison's > Landing in Virginia. The Confederate Army was on the other side of the > narrow strip of land. During the night, Captain Ellicombe heard the moans > of a soldier who lay > mortally wounded on the field. Not knowing if it was a Union or > Confederate > soldier the Captain decided to risk his life and bring the stricken man > back > for medical attention. Crawling on his stomach through the gunfire, the > Captain reached the stricken soldier and began pulling him toward his > encampment. When the Captain finally reached his own lines, he discovered > it was actually a Confederate soldier but the soldier was dead. The > Captain lit a lantern and suddenly caught > his breath and went numb with shock. In the dim light, he saw the face of > the soldier. It was his own son. The boy had been studying music in the > South when the war broke out. Without telling his father, he enlisted in > the Confederate Army. The following morning, heartbroken, the father > asked permission of his superiors to give his son a full military burial > despite his enemy > status. His request was only partially granted. The Captain had asked if > he > could have a group of Army band members play a funeral dirge for his son > at > the funeral. The request was turned down since the soldier was a > Confederate but, out of respect for the father, they did say they could > give him > only one musician. The Captain chose a bugler. He asked the bugler to > play a series of musical notes he had found on a piece of paper in the > pocket of the dead > youth's uniform. This wish was granted. The haunting melody we now know > as > "Taps"used at military funerals was born. > > Day is done > gone the sun > from the Lakes > from the hills > from the sky > all is well > safely rest > God is neigh. > > Fading light > Dims the sight, > And a star > Gems the sky, > Gleaming bright > From afar, > Drawing nigh, > Falls the night. > > Thanks and praise, > For our days, > Neath the sun, > Neath the stars, > Neath the sky, > As we go, > This we know, > God is nigh. > > > ==== KENTUCKIANA Mailing List ==== > I would rather be looking for dead people, then have them looking for me! > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Milton or Mahlon Gudgell line Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:56:59 -0700 To Bob and other cousins. I'm a new subscriber to your web, but I've read almost all the archives, = so I feel like I know you all. I'd like to know if anyone has info on = Lyle's grandfather Milton, b. abt 1830 d. 15 May 1913. m. to Lydia Ann = Small, d. abt. 1899 and his father, Mahlon Gudgell who married Charlotte = Snodgrass. I don't have any dates on Mahlon. Milton and Lydia Anna's children = were: Albert L., Oliver P., Charles Thornton, b. 16 Jan.1856, d. 10 Dec. = 1919, married Mary Matilda (Mae) Johnson, b. 09 July 1871, d. 16 Nov. = 1927. Charles Thornton's children are William, Homer, Mary, Hazel, = Melvina, Charles Milton, Lincoln, d. 1916, Susan d. 1916, (they died in = the Gudgell house fire) and John Edward Gudgell, b. 16 Mar.1896, d. = 11 Apr. 1968, married 12 Apr. 1920 to Anna Eliza Thomas. This John = Edward Gudgell is my husband Lyle's father.. Lyle and I are both 79 = years of age born in 1921. John E and Anna Eliza's other children are: = Leo,(deceased,) Lester A, and Lois A. Miller. This family lived around = bureau county, Illinois. William and Charles Milton moved to Wa. where = Milton Jr. runs a sport fishing business yet today. We believe that = Gr.Grandfather, Milton , came from West New York. Most of this information was given to me by Lyle's sister, Lois Ann = Gudgell Miller. I have not been able to link our line into any of the = ones you have researched, but many of the given names are the same. = Thanks, Linda, for all the interesting people you have introduced to me. = Hope someone can help me. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Milton or Mahlon Gudgell line Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:28:16 -0400 Hi Vivian- A "BIG" welcome to Vivian and Lyle GUDGELL! Good to know you've joined the group! I know there are other's such as = Mia Fleegle on the list who can help you more than I can. I believe = this line of Mahlon GUDGELL may be out of Daniel GUDGEL(L). Daniel has = been one of the children we have questioned for some time as being a son = of Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. I have some data on this family but have never = entered it into my database because I have never been able to document = if Daniel is indeed the son of Andrew, Sr. I am 99% sure but not 100%. Maybe with your help we can finally document something. I hope so. Please tell us more about your earliest GUDGELL family members and where = you are from, etc.. How about any of you others on the list. Let's see if we an help Vivan = out. Thanks, Linda From bgudgel@eskimo.com Mon Sep 11 18:08:30 2000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:35:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Mahlon/ Snodgrass Lyle and Vivian, Good to hear from you. As I normally do when someone askes about names, I go to the mail list archives and search for a name or two and see what shows up. I searched archive number 1 for Snodgrass, http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgarc1 and found this little section from Terri Montigny I'm curious if this helps at all. Check number 5 below especially. By the way, do you folks live on Whidbey Island? Bob Gudgel, Everett WA..... Children of Daniel Gudgel and Rachel Gause cont . . . 2) Amy Gudgel married John Newburn. They were married and resided in Fayette County, Pennsylvania in 1814, but it is unknown at this time whether they moved with the rest of the family to Indiana or stayed in Pennsylvania. 3) Lydia Gudgel born before 1782. She married Henry Stucker. It is said that she married Henry in Woodford County, Kentucky in 1796. I have not seen the marriage record. It is not known whether she stayed in Kentucky after her marriage. Lydia and Henry were known to be in the "Indiana Territory" in 1814. 4) Daniel Gudgel born. about 1791- died after 1850 was never married as far as we know. The 1850 census shows him living with Stephen and Sarah Gudgel in Jefferson County, Indiana. The census classified him as an "Idiot" as mentioned previously. He was noted as being 59 years old. 5) Isaac Gudgel born after 1796?. Was still a "minor child" in 1814, according to the deed. Isaac lived was in the 1820 census in Jefferson County, Indiana. It listed 2 girls between the ages of 10-15. There is also an Isaac Gudgel who shows up in the 1830 census in Ridgeville Township in Clinton County, Ohio. Charlotte Gudgel (Mahlon's wife) also shows up in Clinton County that year. There are two marriages in Clinton County, Ohio for an Isaac Gudgel. (1) Nancy Hormel - November 7, 1824 and (2) Sarah Swingler-July 23, 1829. 6) Nathaniel Gudgel born after 1796. Was still a "minor child" in 1814, according to the deed. Nathaniel married Rachel Chasteen on July 13, 1818 in Jefferson County, Indiana. 7) **Mahlon/Mahlan Gudgel: Born. after 1896 - died about 1841) Was still a "minor child" in 1814, according to the deed. Mahlon married Charlotte Snodgrass in Jefferson County, Indiana. Mahlon and Charlotte had five sons. More about them in the previous section. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL(L) Tidbits Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:38:54 -0400 Hi Folks- I received a letter from the Kentucky Historical Society Foundation informing us that the memorial brick we purchased for Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. in the "Pathway of History" will be installed this week. Finally! I assume they have been waiting till they had sufficient bricks to complete one major area of the walk to complete it. A very nice letter and thanking us for our support. I can't wait to see it. If any of you are ever at the new Kentucky History Center in Frankfort be sure and check it out. ****************************************************** More notes I found on the net: Revoluntionary War burial sites: Union: GUDGEL, Benjamin F. GUDGEL, John D. GUDGEL, Richard Cavalry, 3rd Regt. Iowa Cavalry No Confederates. Hope everyone is doing okay. >From Linda- In rainy, cool Kentucky From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 15 04:17:45 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA06032; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:17:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:17:18 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c01f06$3c7a80a0$9d94fcd1@lindascomputer> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Fw: [INJEFFER] Catherine GUDGEL Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:15:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"zEQGp3.0.BU1.-KWmv"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1475 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Good Morning to All! I received this email from the Jefferson Co., IN mail list this a.m. I have seen reference to this marriage before but haven't been able to place this Catherine GUDGEL in my database. Can someone shed some light on this? Please respond to the list also so that we can all share this info. Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 1:58 AM Subject: [INJEFFER] Catherine GUDGEL > Found Catherine Gudgel living with family of John B. ACRE/ACREE in 1850 > census , > Saluda Twp.. Her age was given as 37 and birthplace as IN. Would like > to establish her relationship to this family, Could she be a sister to > John B. ACRE/ACREE or to his wife, Rachel DAVIS Acre/Acree? > Anyone out there recognize her? > Thank You, > Marty Burkhart-Poe > > > > From vgudgell@whidbey.net Sun Sep 17 21:54:38 2000 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:30:50 -0700 From: Vivian Gudgell Subject: re: Mahlon Gudgell's children Hello cousins. When Bob searched the archives for me, he quoted a message from Terri Montigny saying that Mahlon had five children and the message ended "more about them in the previous section" I have not been able to locate this 'previous section' We believe that Milton Gudgell b. abt. 1830 and d. 15 May 1913 is one of his kids. Can anyone help on this? Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mahlon and Terri Vivian gudgell is quoting form www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgarc1 if anyone wants to look. By the way, whatever happend to Terry Montigny? Bob Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:55:46 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: Mahlon and Terri Yes, I hope Terri is still with us as she did some great research awhile back. Hope we don't lose you, Terri. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Kevin & Marie" Subject: Help with family lines Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:18:04 -0700 Hello, I am Marie Kile-Barnett. My great Grandmother was Ethel = Gudgel-Kile. She was Married to a Fate Kile. They had a son Thomas = William Kile whom is my Grandfather. I am trying to go back past her = but I am not having much luck. I don't know exactly where to look or = even how. I have done many searches with out much luck. I was hoping = that someone already had this information that they could provide it to = me. Ethel Kile's Birth date is Jan 18 1900 and she died on May 3 1997 If anyone has more information hopefully some further family lines I = would be so thankful. Thank You very much. Marie Kile-Barnett From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:45:18 EDT Subject: Re: Help with family lines when you are doing research, make sure and not to confuse her with my Grandmother, an Ethel Gertrude Gudgel. She was married to Louis Allen Gudgel and lived in Pottsboro (Grayson cty) Texas for a while and for most of her life lived in Gracemont Oklahoma and is burried there. Born about 1892 or so and died, about 1984. Maiden name was Holman. Larry Gudgel Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:39:44 -0700 From: Chuck To: Kevin & Marie Subject: Re: Help with family lines Marie, Yes, you have come to the right place as Bob, my brother who startd the Gudgel web site, is related to you. Of course so am I. Ethel was one of my most favorite great aunts. She always stood so straight even to the very last. It was at her place in Chowchilla that I first tasted vine ripened tomatoes. I didn't know what they were they tasted so different from the store variety. It was great. We have a wealth of infor on Ethel and I did a sort of oral history of her along with her siblings or as many of them as I could fine. I am always amazed that grandchildren know so little about their families. I assume you recall Ethel's brothers and sisters? You know that one sister is still living --Mary Tootsie Schuh in Chowchilla. I won't bother to go into all the details that we know about Ethel on the list group as it might bore folks, but I intend to answer you more fully and will send you what I have on Ethel in the mail if you'd like. As far as knowing about Ethel's background, just keep reading the archives in the Gudgel web site. I will be in touch. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:52:24 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Kevin & Marie Subject: Re: Help with family lines Marie, In case my last reply didn't make it to the whole list group, I am replying that you have come to the right place and Ethel was my great aunt. We have lots of information on her and I did an oral history with her and her siblings. I will be happy to send you lots of material. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fate and Ethel GUDGEL KILE Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:37:59 -0400 Thanks to all who have helped Marie with her Gudgel lines. You guys are wonderful. I knew when I saw the names that they were the family who were involved in the Gudgel family reunion in California for so many years. Isn't that right? Marie-you definitely came to the right place! Nice to have you join us too. Linda Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:35:12 -0700 From: Daniela Moneta Subject: Re: Help with family lines At 11:18 AM 9/18/00 -0700, Kevin & Marie wrote: >Hello, I am Marie Kile-Barnett. My great Grandmother was Ethel >Gudgel-Kile. She was Married to a Fate Kile. They had a son Thomas >William Kile whom is my Grandfather. I am trying to go back past her but >I am not having much luck. I don't know exactly where to look or even >how. I have done many searches with out much luck. I was hoping that >someone already had this information that they could provide it to >me. Ethel Kile's Birth date is Jan 18 1900 and she died on May 3 1997 > >If anyone has more information hopefully some further family lines I would >be so thankful. Thank You very much. Marie Kile-Barnett Dear Marie, If no one has information about your great-grandmother Ethel Gudgel-Kile, you could send for her death certificate. Usually the parents' names are mentioned on the death certificate. You could also try to locate an obituary. If you know where she died, you can probably get the hometown newspaper on microfilm through Interlibrary Loan from your local public library. Then it is a matter of finding her parents on the federal or state census. If Ethel was born in Jan 1900, she would be listed as an infant with her parents on the 1900 census. Once you know where the family was living in 1900, you can contact the local genealogical society and they can probably help you. You can contact me personally if you need more suggestions. Sincerely, Daniela From: Doukel@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:53:24 EDT Subject: Re: Help with family lines Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Here's some info that I have regarding Marie Kile-Barnett's request regarding her great grandmother, Ethel Gudgel-Kile (as well as other earlier family members.) My grandmother, Mary Evelyn Gudgel Wood (Holland Porter Gudgel's daughter), is Ethel's cousin. Ethel Gudgel b. 1/18/1900 Texas County, Missouri m. 1919 Atoka County, OK d. husband: William Fate Kile Ethel's father: Thomas Wiley Gudgel b. 2/20/1869 Springfield, Missouri or Madill, OK m. 1/30/1892 Indian Territory, Jack County, TX (now Madill, OK) d. 6/9/1934 California his mother: Sarah Jones b. 1848 d. 1/2/1884 his father: Thomas Jefferson Gudgel b. 10/20/1847 Evansville, IN m. 1866 to Sarah Jones d. 9/1899 Madill, OK buried: Oakland Cemetery near Madill, OK other spouses: Mary Myers, Martha Allen his father: Henry Thomas Gudgel (or Henry Thurman Gudgel ?) his mother: Sarah Ann Johnson his siblings: William Henry Gudgel b. 1867 d. 1870 (Boy) Gudgel b. 2/21/1871 Madill, OK d. 2/22/1871 Madill, OK Ann Lucenda Bell Gudgel b. 2/1/1874 d. 9/18/1878 Mary Agness (Mollie) Gudgel b. 10/27/1877 m. 1893 d. about 1961 spouse: Benjamin Harris Holland Porter Gudgel b. 3/6/1880 Preston, TX m. 1902 d. 1971 Oklahoma buried: Coleman Cemetery,Coleman, OK spouse: Sallie Evelyn Spindle Robert Emmet Gudgel b. 12/23/1881 m. 7/17/1901 Ardmore,Indian Territory, Southern District, OK d. 8/20/1901 spouse: Sallie Evelyn Spindle (same as above) Edward Gudgel b. 1884 d. 1884 Ethel's mother: Emma Sarah Sevedge b. 2/22/1875 Denton County, TX d. 8/16/1960 California Ethel's siblings: Marion Floyd Gudgel b. 2/23/1893 Indian Territory, Jack County, TX (now Madill, OK) m. Oct. 1913 Atoka County, OK d. 1977 Washington spouses: Nellie B. Fergerson & Mary (Aye) Wilson Lloyd Louis Gudgel b. 6/9/1895 Indian Territory, Jack County, TX (now Madill, OK) m. 11/25/1916 Atoka County, OK d. 1974 California spouse: Cecile Jennie Garrett Ella Gudgel b. 7/15/1897 Indian Territory, Jack County, TX (now Madill, OK) m. 1917 Atoka County, OK d. 1990 spouse: Ross Belton Begley Sarah Emma Gudgel b. 11/26/1902 Indian Territory, TX (later known as Marshall County, OK) m. 1921 Atoka County, OK d. spouse: Francis Russell Harris Edna Gudgel b. 6/6/1905 Indian Territory, TX (later known as Marshall County, OK) m. 1924 Atoka County, OK d. spouse: Luther Townsend Victor Thomas Gudgel b. 2/16/1908 Kingston, Johnson County, OK d. 9/13/1927 Fillmore, OK Virgil Wiley Gudgel (Virgil's twin) b. 2/16/1908 Kingston, Johnson County, OK m. 7/21/1955 d. spouse: Sally Hicks Opal LeRoy Gudgel b. 5/12/1911 Boggy Depot, Atoka County, OK m. 12/24/1935 d. 1989 spouse: Margaret Shields Otto Augustus Gudgel b. 11/18/1913 Boggy Depot, Atoka County, OK m. 1936 Madera, California d. spouse: Edith Chastain Mary Edith (Tootsie) Gudgel b. 4/30/1917 Boggy Depot, Atoka County, OK m. 5/1937 d. spouse: Herbert Schuh If anyone has any info to add, or any conflicting info, please let me know. Hope this info helps. Kellee From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" Subject: Archives Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:21:24 -0500 Guess I'm a slow learner....................... I've been following all of the conversations for months, but didn't realize that we have archives. Can you tell me how to get in. Thanks so much. -jennette gudgel From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Archives Jennette, You can see archives of this mailing list by going to: http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudglist.htm Also, www.gudgel.org will get you to my gudgel web page. You can then click on "open new window" to open the page without the ads at the bottom. It's an easy way to remember that big long URL address. bob Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: NancykDing@aol.com Subject: Re: Unidentified GUDGEL(L) marriages Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Here is my contribution to the mystery marriage list. I too have the marriages of Acre and Hill but have been unable to identify them. Mia Fleegel Skaneateles, NY ************************************************ On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 NancykDing@aol.com wrote: > Found a list of Indiana GUDGEL(L) marriages I haven't identified and hope > someone can help me out here: > > X{GUDGEL, Allen and Rebecca ROBERTSON > Jefferson Co., IN November 29, 1832 > I believe Allen Gudgel(Abt. 1807, KY) is the son of my John Gudgel and Elizabeth Harbison, making him a grandson of Old Andrew. I have one daughter for Allen & Rebecca - Elizabeth, b.Abt. 1834 who married David Fouts 31 December 1849 in Clark Co., IN. Mia from New York > > GUDGEL, Elizabeth and Thomas ACRE > Jefferson Co., IN November 5, 1818 > > X{GUDGEL, James H. and Elizabeth HORNER > Jefferson Co., IN April 12, 1832 > He is the son of Stephen GUDGEL & grandson of Daniel Gudgel} > Nancy from Iowa > > GUDGEL, Rachel and William HILL > Scott Co., IN July 21, 1833 > > GUDGEL, Rebecca and David W. ROWLAND 8 November 1838, Clark Co., IN I have this Rebecca as the widow of Allen above who died bef.1838. Rebecca married 2nd David W. Rowland (See census below) Mia from New York 1840 Federal Census New Washington Clark County, Indiana page 483 ROWLAND, David W. males: 1 (under 5), 1 (30-40) females: 1 (5-10), 1 (20-30) 1850 Federal Census New Washington Clark County, Indiana page 66 163/163 ROWLAND, David 44 merchant Rebecca 40 Benson 11 Mary E. 6 William D. 4 166/166 FOUTS, David 30 Elizabeth 16 > > X{GUDGEL, Thornton B. and Sarah HUGHES > Gibson Co., IN 1844 > Thorton B. GUDGEL is the son of Stephen Gudgel & grandson of Daniel GUDGEL} > Nancy from Iowa > > Anyone recognize these names? I have a feeling some of them are Daniel > GUDGEL's descendants. > > Thanks, Linda > From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 19 18:59:01 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA27784; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:57:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:57:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: rodan.syr.edu: mkfleege owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" X-Sender: mkfleege@rodan.syr.edu To: Linda Gudgel Finnell cc: Gudgel List Subject: Re: New GUDGEL researcher In-Reply-To: <000701c0040e$59bd3800$1895fcd1@lindascomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zrITF3.0._n6.2c1ov"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1488 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Hi Linda, I have a Harold Gudgel, son of James Edward Gudgel and Elizabeth T. Smith. It is the same Harold Nancy Miller found and the only Harold I have. Here is their 1990 Federal Census: 1900 Federal Census Cynthiana, 2nd Ward Smith Tp, Posey County, Indiana e.d. #55, sh 3, line 57 58/59 GUDGEL, J.E. head Mar. 1858 42 Physician IN IN IN Lizzie T. wife Jul. 1863 26 IN IN IN Harold son Jul. 1888 11 student IN IN IN Helen dau Dec. 1898 2 IN IN IN SCHMIT, Iguoto ser Oct. 1836 63 Servant (male) Fr.Fr. Fr. J.E. & Lizzie have been married 14 years, Lizzie is the mother of 4 children, 2 living J.E. Gudgel owns his own home and farm Iguoto Schmit has lived in the U.S. for 60 years and is naturalized and is single The enumeration was taken on 2 June 1900. *********************************************************************** On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > I received a message on the Family.com page today from a Rita Nicholas. > Rita is looking for information on her husband's father's aunt and uncle. > > She says: > Harold GUDGEL married Ada Letsinger. Ada born 1888 Newton, IL, d. 1969 > Evansville, IN. Ada and Harold came to Crawfordsville, IN and ran a gas > station for a short time. That's all she knows. > > Anyone recognize these names? > Linda > > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: re: Mahlon Gudgell's children Hello and welcome Lyle & Vivian! Quite some time ago I spent some pretty intensive research on the Daniel Gudgel line which includes his son Mahlon. Here is what I have entered into my Family Tree Maker Database thus far. If you would like a paper copy of my notes let me know and I will copy them for you. I was never ever to prove Daniel's relationship with old Andrew but am convinced in is closely related, either a brother or son. I lean toward him being a son. Doyal, I also have an answer you asked some time ago on the civil war soldier John Gudgell from in Co.B, 112th IL from Osceola... Corrections anyone??? Mia ********************************************** Descendants of Mahlon Gudgel Generation No. 1 1. Mahlon2 Gudgel (Daniel1)1 was born Abt. 1796 in PA, and died Abt. 1829 in OH. He married Charlotte Snodgrass 15 June 1820 in Jefferson Co., IN2. She was born Abt. 1796 in KY, and died Abt. 1884 in Bureau Co., IL. Children of Mahlon Gudgel and Charlotte Snodgrass are: 2 i. Samuel3 Gudgel. (probably died young) + 3 ii. Stephen Gudgel, born Abt. 1822 in Jefferson Co., IN; died 28 January 1864 in Boyd's Grove, Bureau Co., IL. + 4 iii. John Gudgel, born Abt. 1824 in IN; died 29 July 1876 in Redwing, MN. 5 iv. William G. Gudgel, born 1 October 1827 in OH. He married (1) Mary A. Sharpless; born in OH. He married (2) Susan A. Smith; born in Ireland. + 6 v. Milton Gudgel, born 21 April 1829 in Warren Co., OH; died 15 May 1913. Generation No. 2 3. Stephen3 Gudgel (Mahlon2, Daniel1) was born Abt. 1822 in Jefferson Co., IN, and died 28 January 1864 in Boyd's Grove, Bureau Co., IL. He married Sarah Matthews 9 January 1845 in Warren Co., OH. She was born Abt. 1828 in NJ. Notes for Stephen Gudgel: Illinois Civil War Veterans Database for "Gudgel" http://www.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/civilwar NAME COMPANY & UNIT RESIDENCE --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GUDGEL, STEPHEN B 112 INF MILO GUDGELL, JOHN B 112 INF OSCEOLA Children of Stephen Gudgel and Sarah Matthews are: 7 i. Mary E.4 Gudgel, born Abt. 1846 in Warren Co., OH. + 8 ii. John Milton Gudgel, born June 1847 in Warren Co., OH. 9 iii. William Gudgel, born 27 August 1851 in IL. 10 iv. Harrison Gudgel, born 4 August 1857. 11 v. Estella Gudgel, born 25 April 1864. (twin) 12 vi. Rosella Gudgel, born 25 April 1864 (twin) 4. John3 Gudgel (Mahlon2, Daniel1) was born Abt. 1824 in IN, and died 29 July 1876 in Redwing, MN. He married Margaret Gillis. She was born Abt. 1821 in OH, and died 16 February 1896. Notes for John Gudgel: Illinois Civil War Veterans Database for "Gudgel" http://www.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/civilwar NAME COMPANY & UNIT RESIDENCE --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GUDGEL, STEPHEN B 112 INF MILO GUDGELL, JOHN B 112 INF OSCEOLA ************************************************************************************** From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:02:37 EDT Subject: Re: Civil War Vets To: ralphj@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com In a message dated 8/1/99 9:54:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time, ralphj@eskimo.com writes: > Gudgel's from Illinois in answer to a request to the Secretary of State. > > John - Second Lt., Co. B, 112th Ill. Infantry, V6, P 152 > John - First Lt., Co. B, 112th Ill. Infantry, V6, P 152 > John -Capt., Co. B, 112th Ill. Infantry, V6, P 152 Doyal; All three of the above entries are the same person. I have about 25 pages of Civil War military records for the above John Gudgel but have never been able to tie him into the family tree. I have all the data on his enlistment and promotions, etc. Based on the info that I have, he would have been born in 1823 or 1824 (where ?). He enlisted on August 12, 1862, at Bradford, IL. He was promoted several times and was a Captain when he left the service. He was wounded at Utoy Creek, GA on August 06, 1864, and was discharged on March 27, 1865. He died July 29, 1876, in Redwing, MN. He was married to Margaret Gillis who lived in Tikiewa, Bureau Co., IL when she applied for a pension on November 09, 1881. She died on February 16, 1896. He had a daughter, Grace, who was blind and applied for a pension on June 06, 1898, after her mother died. She lived in Tikiewa, Bureau Co., IL when she applied for the pension. Grace was born on October 29, 1858, and died on February 03, 1907. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me where this John fits into the Gudgel line. I have a lot of John's in my data, but this one just doesn't seem to fit. Dave Gudgel ************************************************************************************* Dyer's Compendium, Pt. 3 (Regimental Histories) ILLINOIS VOLUNTEERS. 112th REGIMENT INFANTRY. Organized at Peoria, Ill., and mustered in September 20, 1862. Moved to Covington, Ky., October 8, 1862. Attached to 1st Brigade, 2nd Division, Army of Kentucky, Dept. of the Ohio, to January, 1863. 3rd Brigade, District of Central Kentucky, Dept. of the Ohio, to April, 1862. 2nd Brigade, District of Central Kentucky, Dept. of the Ohio, to June, 1863. 1st Brigade, 1st Division, 23rd Army Corps, Army of the Ohio, to August, 1863. 1st Brigade, 4th Division, 23rd Army Corps, to October, 1868. 2nd Brigade, 4th Division, 23rd Army Corps, to November, 1863. 2nd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, 23rd Army Corps, to May, 1854. 1st Brigade, 3rd Division, 23rd Army Corps, to August, 1865. 3rd Brigade, 3rd Division, 23rd Army Corps, Army of the Ohio, to February, 1865; and Dept. of North Carolina to June, 1865. SERVICE.--Moved to Falmouth, Ky., October 18, 1862. Escort supply train to Big Eagle, Ky., October 19-21, thence moved to Georgetown and Lexington, Ky. October 23-24. Duty at Lexington till March, 1863. Moved to Danville, Ky., March 21; thence to Nicholasville, Camp Dick Robinson, Lancaster and Crab Orchard, Stanford and Milledgeville, Ky. Duty at Milledgeville till April 26. Regiment mounted at Milledgeville. Moved to Somerset April 26. Operations against Pegram's forces in Southeast Kentucky April 26-May 12. Action at Monticello May 1. Duty at Somerset, Ky., till July. Saunders' Raid in East Tennessee June 14-24 (Detachment). Knoxville June 19-20. Strawberry Plains June 20. Rogers' Gap June 20. Powder Springs Gap June 21. Pursuit of Scott's forces July 9-13. OPerations in Eastern Kentucky against Scott July 26-August 6. Battle of Richmond July 28. Burnaide's Campaign in East Tennessee August 16-October 16. Winker's Gap August 31. Action at Cleveland September 18. Athens, Calhoun and Charleston September 25. Calhoun September 26. Athens September 27. About Kingston October 16-24. Philadelphia October 25-26. Lieper's Ferry, Holston River, October 28. Knoxville Campaign November 4-December 23. Holston River November 15. Campbell's Station November 16. Near Knoxville November 16. Siege of Knoxville November 17-December 5. Skirmishes about Bean's Station December 9-13. Bean's Station December 10 and 14. Blain's Cross Roads December 16-19. Bend of Chucky Road, near Dandridge, January 16, 1864. Operations about Dandridge January 16-17. Dandridge January 17. Operations about Dandridge January 26-28. Flat and Muddy Creek January 26. Near Fair Garden January 27. Kelly's Ford January 27-28. Moved to Marysville, thence to Knoxville and dismounted, thence moved to Mount Sterling, Ky., February, 1864. Duty at Mt. Sterling February 22-April 6. Moved to Camp Nelson, Ky., April 6, thence to Knoxville, Tenn., arriving May 3. Movement to Tunnel Hill, Ga., May 3-5. Atlanta (Ga.) Campaign May 5-September 8. Demonstrations on Dalton May 9-13. Battle of Resaca May 14-15. Cartersville May 18. Advance on Dallas May 18-25. Operations on line of Pumpkin Vine Creek and battles about Dallas, New Hope Church and Allatoona Hills May 25-June 5. Operations about Marietta and against Kenesaw Mountain June 10-July 2. Lost Mountain June 15-17. Muddy Creek June 17. Noyes' Creek June 19. Cheyney's Farm June 22. Olley's Creek June 26-27. Assault on Kenesaw June 27. Line of Nickajack Creek July 2-5. Chattahoochie River July 5-17. Siege of Atlanta July 22-August 25. Utoy Creek August 5-7. Flank movement on Jonesboro August 25-30. Battle of Jonesboro August 31-September 1. LoveJoy Station September 2-6. Operations against Hood and Forest in North Georgia and North Alabama September 29-November 3. Nashville Campaign November-December. Columbia, Duck River, November 24-27. Battle of Franklin November 30. Battle of Nashville December 15-16. Pursuit of Hood to the Tennessee River December 17-29. At Clifton, Tenn., till January 15, 1865. Movement to Washington, D.C., thence to Fort Fisher, N. C., January 18-February 9. Operations against Hoke February 11-14. Fort Anderson February 18. Capture of Fort Anderson February 19. Town Creek February 19-20. Capture of Wilmington February 22. Campaign of the Carolinas March 1-April 26. Advance on Goldsbow March 6-21. Occupation of Goldsboro March 21. Gurley's March 31. Advance on Raleigh April 10-14. Occupation of Raleigh April 14. Bennett's House April 26. Surrender of Johnston and his army. Duty at Greensboro, N. C., till June 20. Mustered out at Greensboro, N. C., June 20 and discharged at Chicago, Ill., July 7, 1865. Regiment lost during service 4 Officers and 76 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and Officer and 153 Enlisted men by disease. Total 234. Children of John Gudgel and Margaret Gillis are: + 13 i. Mahlon4 Gudgel, born Abt. 1852 in IL. 14 ii. Grace Gudgel, born 29 October 1858 in IL; died 3 February 1907. 15 iii. Melissa Gudgel, born Abt. 1859. 16 iv. Allen Gudgel, born Abt. 1864. 6. Milton3 Gudgel (Mahlon2, Daniel1) was born 21 April 1829 in Warren Co., OH, and died 15 May 1913. He married Lydia Ann Small 4 September 1852. She was born Abt. 1832 in ME, and died Bef. 1900. Children of Milton Gudgel and Lydia Small are: + 17 i. Albert L.4 Gudgel, born June 1852 in IL. 18 ii. Oliver P. Gudgel, born Abt. 1854 in IL. + 19 iii. Charles Thornton Gudgel, born 16 January 1856; died 10 December 1919. 20 iv. Orren Gudgel, born Abt. 1858 in IL. 21 v. Josephine Gudgel, born Abt. 1860 in IL. 22 vi. Caroline Gudgel, born Abt. 1863 in IL. 23 vii. Susan Gudgel, born Abt. 1867 in IL (probably died young) 24 viii. Lewis C. Gudgel, born April 1869 in IL. 25 ix. Annie B. Gudgel, born Abt. 1877 in IL. Generation No. 3 8. John Milton4 Gudgel (Stephen3, Mahlon2, Daniel1) was born June 1847 in Warren Co., OH. He married Wilhelmina Larimore. She was born September 1849 in Delaware. More About John Milton Gudgel: Moved to IA Children of John Gudgel and Wilhelmina Larimore are: 26 i. Edwin L.5 Gudgel, born April 1869 in IL. He married Ida M. ?; born May 1872 in IA. + 27 ii. Allen G. Gudgel, born November 1876 in IA. 28 iii. Benjamin F. Gudgel, born August 1884 in IA. 29 iv. Harrison F. Gudgel, born 13 August 1884 in IA3; died November 1962 in prob. IA3. 30 v. Mable Leona Gudgel, born November 1888 in IA. She married Roy Edwards. 13. Mahlon4 Gudgel (John3, Mahlon2, Daniel1) was born Abt. 1852 in IL. He married Mary S. ?. She was born Abt. 1857 in IN. Children of Mahlon Gudgel and Mary ? are: 31 i. Clifford5 Gudgel, born May 1877 in MN4. 32 ii. Grace B. Gudgel, born March 1880 in IL. 17. Albert L.4 Gudgel (Milton3, Mahlon2, Daniel1) was born June 1852 in IL. He married Martha Tomlinson. She was born April 1852 in OH. Children of Albert Gudgel and Martha Tomlinson are: 33 i. Mary A.5 Gudgel, born May 1879 in IL. 34 ii. William Gudgel, born February 1882 in IL. 35 iii. Ethel Gudgel, born October 1888 in IL. 36 iv. Luella Gudgel, born October 1896 in IL. Generation No. 4 27. Allen G.5 Gudgel (John Milton4, Stephen3, Mahlon2, Daniel1) was born November 1876 in IA. He married Eva L. ?. She was born September 1874 in IL. Child of Allen Gudgel and Eva ? is: 46 i. Earl D.6 Gudgel, born 2 March 1898 in IA5; died 8 March 19925. Endnotes 1. Fayette County, PA Land Records, Deed Bk.K, pg. 184. 2. Jefferson County Marriage Records, 1811-1873, Madison, IN. 3. Social Security Death Index, "Electronic." 4. 1900 Federal Soundex to the Census - Tampaco Tp., Whiteside Co., IL 5. Social Security Death Index, "Electronic." Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:38:14 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" CC: Vivian Gudgell , gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Mahlon Gudgell's children Wow! Thanks Mia for all the well done research. I too have wondered about Daniel and as you can see from past e-mail discussions many of us would like to know more about him. I suspect he is a cousin, uncle or even brother, and of course perhaps a son, but I really think that is my last choice. Daniel didn't live right next to Andrew in Fayette Co, but rather a bit farther away. Yes, he paid Andrew's bail one time. But he left PA for Ind or Ill in about 1815 I think and that was much later than Andrew. Usually closely related folks tend to move together. Of course this doesn't have to be the case, but I just don't get the feeling he was Andrew's son. Would love to have some of the rest of you do some more digging on this Daniel fellow. How about it? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From vgudgell@whidbey.net Wed Sep 20 09:36:45 2000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:31:53 -0700 From: Vivian Gudgell Subject: re: Mahlon' children Mia, I love you! The research you sent me tonight is terrific! I will have to take more time to digest it all, and maybe I can fill in some of the Charles Thornton line through his son, John Edward. I will need to consult with my sister-in-law, as she has more dates etc. than I do. Also, she lives in Illinois and is closer to the territory where they lived and to the family records. Thank you, Mia Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Organization: Syracuse University Library Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:42:43 EDT Subject: Old Andrew in 1772 The Monongahela of Old: or, Historical Sketches of South-Western Pennsylvania to the year 1800 by James Veech For Private Distribution Only Pittsburgh: 1858-1892 P.199-200 List of Settlers in Fayette and in contiguous parts of Greene, Washington & Westmoreland Counties, in 1772: Copied from the Official Assessment rolls of Bedford County for 1772 In 1772, and until the erection of Westmoreland in 1773, Bedford county embraced all of South-western Pennsylvania. All of what is now Fayette county, east of a straight line from the mouth of Redstone to the mouth of Jacob's creek, composed two townships, Springhill and Tyrone, between which the division line was Redstone creek, from its mouth to where it was crossed by Burd's Road, thence Burd's Road to Gist's thence Braddock's Road to the Great Crossings. . . All of Greene and of Washington counties, which were then supposed to be within the limits of Pennsylvania, and lying west of Fayette, seem to have been included in Springhill. We give the entire lists for Springhill, ... Charles Gause, Andrew Gudgel, (Note: Charles Gause is the father of Rachel Gause that married Daniel Gudgel. I was excited to see Andrew's last name spelled "GUDGEL") Mia K. Fleegel From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:05:54 EDT Subject: Settlement of Redstone The Monongahela of Old: or, Historical Sketches of South-Western Pennsylvania to the year 1800 by James Veech For Private Distribution Only Pittsburgh: 1858-1892 Chapter VI. Early Settlements p.82-85 It was not until about 1765-'6, that settlements, in the true and legitimate sense of the term, came to attract notice in what is now South- Western Pennsylvania. And it is a well-ascertained fact that the earliest of this class of settlements, for homes and subsistence, were in what is now Fayette County. This was the result of several co-operating causes...The great abundance of game, the general immunity from Indian aggression, the fertility of the land, its fine springs and water-courses; but, above all, its short and easy access from the Atlantic slope by Braddock's road... Although the French were expelled from this region in 1758, yet the indians were not quieted until 1764...our county territory enjoyed its usual impunity during these bloody years--the inhabitants never flying, as they had to do from neighboring territory--yet the terror which was inspired prevented the influx of settlers. But when this barrier was removed, the tide of immigration rolled in with rapid and steadily- augmenting force, so that 1765 may be set down as the era of the settlement of Fayette county. The first settlers, almost without an exception, came from the frontier counties of Virginia and Maryland, chiefly from the former. The events in this region...more than any knowledge of boundaries, served to create the general belief, among the people of those counties, that this was Virginia territory...Although nominally embraced within Cumberland county, Pennsylvania, or Augusta county, Virginia...these dependencies were too remote to be reached by the civil arm; and for a while the settlers were unheeded and unmolested by the government of either colony. Hence the tide flowed fast and free. Says a letter from Winchester, Va., dated April 30, 1765--"The frontier inhabitants of this colony and Maryland are removeing fast over the Allegheny Mountains in order to settle and live there."... The documentary history of 1765-'6-'7, indeed, of all that decade speaks of no other settlements in Western Pennsylvania, or the West generally, than those within, or immediately bordering upon, the Monongahela, upon Cheat, upon the Yough, the Turkey-foot and Redstone; the first and last being the most prominent, and the last the most extensive, covering all the interior settlements about Uniontown...those on the Redstone and the Monongahela border perhaps the earliest...They all range from 1763 to 1768, inclusive. p.84-86 After the definite treaty of peace between France and England, signed at Paris, in February, 1763, which terminated the French War...England began to make a great show of care for the Indians. On the 7th of October of that year, the King issued a proclamation... declaring that they must not be molested in their hunting ground and forbidding any...colony, to grant warrants of survey or patents, for any lands beyond the heads of rivers which fall [to the west]...Yet, as its violations were visited by no specified penalties, it was disregarded by settlers, and even, to some extent, by the Government of Virginia, though never by that of Pennsylvania...It was the opinion of those most conversant with the Indians...that unless the intruding settlers were speedily removed, a general Indian war would be the inevitable result... The earliest efforts to dispossess, or drive off these early settlers, were of a military character. In June 1766..a part of the 42nd Regiment, was sent from Fort Pitt ...to Redstone Creek, at which place...on the 22nd of that month, issues...a Notice, stating that the commander-in-chief, "out of compassion to your ignorance, before he proceeds to extremity," had sent him there to collect them together, inform them of their lawless behavior, and to order them all to return to their several provinces without delary, upon pain of having their goods and merchandise made lawful prize by the Indians, of having their persons and estates put out of the pale of protection; and if they disobeyed, or remained, of being driven from the lands they occupy by an armed force. ...On the 31st of July, 1766, Governor Fauquier, of Virginia, made proclamation of like requirements and penalties. ...on the 23rd September, Governor Penn issues a similar fulmination, wherein he specially forbids "all his Majesty's subjects of this, or any other province, or colony, from making any settlements, or taking possession of lands, by marking trees or otherwise, beyond the limits of the last Indian purchase...within this province upon pain of the severest penalties of the law, and of being excluded from the privilege of securing such settlements should the lands, where they are made, be hereafter purchased of the Indians." This co-operative action by the two Governors, seems to have been rendered necessary by the unsettled State of the boundaries between the two provinces... Despite all these threats and warnings, the current of intrusive settlement still rolled on...In the mean time the Indians are becoming more and more restive and complaining... p.89 The running of the Mason & Dixon's line, our Southern boundary, in 1767, showed that the new settlements were all within Pennsylvania...In January, 1768, Governor Penn called the special attention of his Assembly to this newly ascertained jurisdiction, and after rehearsing the fruitless efforts hitherto made to remove the settlers, invoked their aid to devise a remedy for the alleged wrongs, and thus if possible, avert the threatened war....the Governor and Assembly go to work, and enact a most terrifying law to drive off the settlers. It is dated February 3d, 1768. After reciting that "many disorderly people, in violation of his Majesty's proclamation, have presumed to settle upon lands not yet purchased from the Indians, to their damage and great dissatisfaction, which may be attended with dangerous and fatal consequences to the peace and safety of this province," it proceeded to enact that if any settlers after being required to remove themselves and families, by personal notice or porclamation sent to them, should not so remove within thirty days thereafter; or if after having removed, they should return: or, if any should so settle after such notice, every such persons "being thereof legally convected by their won confession, or the verdict of a jury, shall suffer death without benefit of clergy." And if any persons thereafter should enter upon such unpurchased land, to make surveys, or should cut down, or mark tress thereon, "every person so offending shall forfeit and pay, for every such offense, the sum of fifty pounds, and suffer three months imprisonment without bail, or mainprize." And to make trials more grievous, and convictions more certain, the offenders were to be taken to Philadelphia, and there tried by courts and juries of that county. …Its only effect was to increase the irritations between the settlers and the Indians, and to ease the treasury of some of its funds, to pay for sending sundry persons and proclamations among the settlers to warn them. In February, 1768, Governor Penn commissioned the Rev. John Steele, of Carlisle, a Presbyterian clergyman of some celebrity, and three other citizens of Cumberland county, to visit the obnoxious settlements, distribute proclamations embodying the bloody act, and warn the settlers to quit. These envoys set out early in March, and traveled by way of Fort Cumberland and Braddock's road… "April 2d, 1768. We arrived at the settlement on Redstone on the 23rd day of March… p.92 The names of the inhabitants near Redstone: Andrew Gudgeon (Gudgel) (Note: this is not my parenthesis!"(Gudgel)" is typed in the text!) p.93 In a supplemental report to the Governor by Mr. Steel, he says:"The people at Redstone alleged that the removing of them from the unpurchased lands was a contrivance of the gentlemen and merchants of Philadelphia, that they might take rights for their improvements when a purchase was made…" For more information on the Steel mission see the Gudgel Archives. Hope you enjoyed! Mia From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Andrew GUDGEL 1772 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:31:57 -0400 Thanks to Mia for submitting this information and also about the settling of Redstone Twp. Also about Charles GAUSE, father of Rachael GAUSE, who married Daniel GUDGEL. I have been told that Daniel and Rachael GAUSE GUDGEL came to KY with old Andrew and were here a few years before returning to Fayette Co., PA when her father was ill. Seems they stayed in PA for about 10 years before returning to KY and then on to Jefferson Co., IN. I have a map of Washington, Fayette and Greene Co's. showing original land owners in the area and Charles GAUSE owned land very close to Andrew GUDGEL and the description is as follows: CHARLES GAUSE Warrant dated Feb. 25, 1785 Surveyed Jan. 26,, 1787 Patented Dec. 24, 1793 to Warranteee "Gause Cop" (name of property) According to these dates it appears Charels GAUSE owned this land a short time before old Andrew left for KY. Andrew's land was patented in 1788 and he left for KY about 1789. Which brings up another question--where was Andrew from 1789 till he appeared in Woodford Co., KY in 1793 when he married his 3rd wife, Betsey PAYNE? I've always thought that the mention of Silver Creek (where he is said to have settled in Woodford Co., KY) was an error in the written histories. I have never seen a Silver Creek in this area in any of the old maps, however, there is a Silver Creek in Madison Co., KY. Makes you wonder. I have been pretty well occupied lately. My husband, Gary, found out two weeks ago that he is a diabetic. It has totally changed our way of eating, shopping, etc. We went to one of two Diabetic Counseling classes tonight. Very enlightening and well done. No history of diabetes in either of our families so this is very new to us. I never realized how much sugar is in our foods until now. Thanks to all who are jumping in and helping each other. It's going to pay off one of these days! More later, Linda From: Doukel@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:38:19 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Help with family lines Yes, this is the same family. Kellee From: Doukel@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:44:52 EDT Subject: Fwd: FW: ... To: rphboswell@hotmail.com, HeartLazyS@aol.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com, imharrison.1@juno.com, maddoxr@earthlink.net, GMeyer@prodigy.net, CHERACON1@cs.com, julievw@home.com, lntidwell@mindspring.com From: "Smith, Marcus" To: "'andy'" <71322.1564@compuserve.com>, "'aric'" , "'bob'" , "'chuck1'" , "'cpatrickson'" , "'diana'" , "'greg'" , "'grmeyer'" , "'Irma Smith'" , "'jim'" , "'Kelli'" , "'mccord'" , "'mharris'" , "'michele'" , "'myrna'" , "'Nevin Smith'" , "'Portia'" , "'Steve Hodges'" , "'tgilts'" , "'tharris'" , "'thorpe'" , "'troy'" Subject: FW: ... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 06:44:52 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Gardner [mailto:agardner@nothnbut.net] > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 3:12 PM > To: Rodriguez, Geronimo; Pulbrook, Steve; Lichtner, Matt & Michelle; > Smith, Marcus > Subject: ... > > > > > Facts from the 1500's > > > > Next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water > > temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things > > used to be... > > > > > > Here are some facts about the 1500s: > > > > Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in > > May > > and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were starting to > > smell, > > so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. > > > > Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the > house > > had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and > > men, > > then the women and finally the children-last of all the babies. By > then > > the > > water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it-hence the > > saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water." > > > > Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw, piled high, with no wood > > underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the > > dogs, > > cats and other small animals (mice rats, and bugs lived in the roof. > When > > it > > rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and > fall > > off > > > > the > > roof-hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs." > > > > There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This > posed > > a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could > really > > mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet > hung > > over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came > into > > existence. > > > > The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, > > hence the saying "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would > get > > slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh on the floor to > > help > > > > keep > > their footing. As the winter wore on, they kept adding more thresh > until > > when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece > of > > wood was placed in the entry way-hence, a "thresh hold." > > > > They cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the > > fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They > ate > > mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew > for > > dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then > start > > over > > the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been there > for > > quite a while-hence the rhyme, "peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, > > peas porridge in the pot nine days old." > > > > Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. > > When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. > It > > was > > a sign of wealth that a man "could bring home the bacon." They would > cut > > off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew > the > > fat." > > > > Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid > > content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead > > poisoning and death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for > > the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous. > > > > Most people did not have pewter plates, but had trenchers, a piece of > > wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Often trenchers were > made > > from > > stale paysan bread which was so old and hard that they could use them > > for quitesome time. Trenchers were never washed and a lot of times > worms > > and > > mold got into the wood and old bread. After eating off wormy moldy > > trenchers, one would get "trench mouth." > > > > Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of > > the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or "upper > > crust." > > > > Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would > some > > times knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the > > road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were > laid > > out > > on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather > > around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up-hence > the > > custom of holding a "wake." > > > > England is old and small and they started out running out of places to > > bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to > a > > "bone-house" and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, one > out > > of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they > > realized they had been burying people alive. So they thought they > would > > tie > > a > > string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up > > through > > the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the > > graveyard all night (the "graveyard shift") to listen for the bell; > thus, > > someone > * could be "saved by the bell" or was considered a "dead ringer". > * --part1_34.aaef832.26fade34_boundary-- From: Doukel@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:54:04 EDT Subject: Duplicate entry, but hopefully easier to read Here's some info that I have regarding Marie Kile-Barnett's request regarding her great grandmother, Ethel Gudgel-Kile (as well as other earlier family members.) My grandmother, Mary Evelyn Gudgel Wood (Holland Porter Gudgel's daughter), is Ethel's cousin. Ethel Gudgel born---1/18/1900 in Texas County, Missouri; married---1919 in Atoka County, OK; spouse---William Fate Kile Ethel's father: Thomas Wiley Gudgel born---2/20/1869 in Springfield, Missouri or Madill, OK married---1/30/1892 in Indian Territory, Jack County, TX (now Madill, OK) deceased---6/9/1934 in California his mother: Sarah Jones b.---1848 ; d.---1/2/1884 his father: Thomas Jefferson Gudgel b.---10/20/1847 in Evansville, IN m.---1866 to Sarah Jones d.---9/1899 Madill, OK buried: Oakland Cemetery near Madill, OK other spouses: Mary Myers, Martha Allen his father: Henry Thomas Gudgel (or Henry Thurman Gudgel ?) his mother: Sarah Ann Johnson his siblings: William Henry Gudgel b.---1867; d.---1870 (Boy) Gudgel born---2/21/1871 Madill, OK ; deceased---2/22/1871 Madill, OK Ann Lucenda Bell Gudgel b.---2/1/1874; d.---9/18/1878 Mary Agness (Mollie) Gudgel b.---10/27/1877; m.---1893; d.---about 1961; spouse---Benjamin Harris Holland Porter Gudgel b.---3/6/1880 in Preston, TX; m.---1902; d.---1971 in Oklahoma; buried: Coleman Cemetery, Coleman, OK; spouse---Sallie Evelyn Spindle Robert Emmet Gudgel b.---12/23/1881; m.---7/17/1901 in Ardmore,Indian Territory, Southern District, OK; d.---8/20/1901; spouse---Sallie Evelyn Spindle (yes, same as above) Edward Gudgel b.---1884; d.---1884 Ethel's mother: Emma Sarah Sevedge b.---2/22/1875 in Denton County, TX; d.---8/16/1960 in California Ethel's siblings: Marion Floyd Gudgel b.---2/23/1893 in Indian Territory, Jack County, TX (now Madill, OK); m. Oct. 1913 Atoka County, OK; d.---1977 in Washington; spouses---Nellie B. Fergerson & Mary (Aye) Wilson Lloyd Louis Gudgel b.---6/9/1895 in Indian Territory, Jack County, TX (now Madill, OK); m.---11/25/1916 in Atoka County, OK; d.---1974 in California; spouse---Cecile Jennie Garrett Ella Gudgel b.---7/15/1897 in Indian Territory, Jack County, TX (now Madill, OK); m. 1917 in Atoka County, OK; d.---1990; spouse---Ross Belton Begley Sarah Emma Gudgel b.---11/26/1902 in Indian Territory, TX (later known as Marshall County, OK); m.---1921 in Atoka County, OK; spouse---Francis Russell Harris Edna Gudgel b.---6/6/1905 in Indian Territory, TX (later known as Marshall County, OK); m.---1924 in Atoka County, OK; spouse---Luther Townsend Victor Thomas Gudgel b.---2/16/1908 in Kingston, Johnson County, OK; d.---9/13/1927 in Fillmore, OK Virgil Wiley Gudgel (Victor's twin) b.---2/16/1908 in Kingston, Johnson County, OK; m.---7/21/1955; spouse---Sally Hicks Opal LeRoy Gudgel b.---5/12/1911 in Boggy Depot, Atoka County, OK; m.---12/24/1935; d.---1989; spouse---Margaret Shields Otto Augustus Gudgel; b.---11/18/1913 in Boggy Depot, Atoka County, OK; m.---1936 in Madera, California; spouse---Edith Chastain Mary Edith (Tootsie) Gudgel; b.---4/30/1917 in Boggy Depot, Atoka County, OK; m.---5/1937; spouse---Herbert Schuh If anyone has any info to add, or any conflicting info, please let me know. Hope this info helps. Kellee Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:16:04 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Settlement of Redstone & Gudgeon/Gudgel Mia, Thanks for reprinting that part of the old history of what is now Fayette CO, PA where Old Andrew had an early land grant in 1768. Yes, I have seen many times the name "Gudgeon" along side Gudgel in the history books. I was at first thrilled with this discovery and began to research the name. I found Gudgeons in Maryland and thought at first I had made a connection. As some of you may recall Andrew Gudgel Jr is said to have been born in Baltimore. I found what appeared to be a nice write up of the Gudgeon family done in the 1970s but upon further examination the author had made a huge leap of faith and connected the Gudgeon family of Maryland with our Old Andrew in Fayette Co. I may have written this part of my research up in the first issue of the Gudgel Newsletter and if so, it may bare reprinting. It is pretty easy actually to show where the Gudgeon author went wrong. But having said that, I am still very puzzled where the author that Mia sites made the association of Gudgeon to Gudgel. As you can see the author, Veech, wrote his history in the mid to late 1800s. I don't have the answer as to why Veech connected Gudgeon to Gudgel and that is one of the greatest unsolved mystery on my list of many to solve. How about some help from those of you who live near where such resources exist for research? Also, you will see mention in Mia's reprint about the disputed southern border of PA with Virginia. Many records from PA apparently exist in Virginia for those early years and I would love to be near where I could find records of those times. I am sure some of questions about many things will be come clearer if we could access those records. i have sent away for some of the or actually am still trying to find there they are. Anyone want to help? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "William \"Bill\" Webb" Subject: Re: Duplicate entry, but hopefully easier to read Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:51:57 -0500 Thought I'd throw in a few tidbits on Thomas Jefferson Gudgel. I did quite abit of chasing on him about a year and a half ago. Thomas died on Saturday night, 27 August 1898 in Denison, TX at the Farmers' Home Restaurant, 202 West Main Street. He was a prominent citizen of the Woodville and Coffey Bend area in Indian Territory. He had been in Denison for about 6 weeks receiving treatment for an abcess of the brain and ear. When he died his body was taken to the old home place near Woodville and prepared for burial. He was buried at 3 o'clock on Sunday afternoon in the burying ground in Coffey Bend. This was before Lake Texoma was made. In the 1940's, when the lake was going to be filled, everyone in this burial ground was disinterred and moved to higher ground. This included Thomas and his 3 wives. Whatever the person had for a headstone marker was moved with the grave. The name of the cemetery where they are now is Preston Bend Cemetery near Pottsboro, TX. It is on the Texas side of the lake. One can almost hit the lake with a stone from this cemetery. Martha, his 3rd wife, had a nice engraved stone. It is still intact. Apparently Thomas and his wives Sarah and Mary had wooden crosses for a headstone. Many years ago the cemetery became unkept. Weeds took it over. The cemetery was burned to remove the growth and their crosses were lost. I was able to locate the general vicinity of where Thomas, Sarah and Mary are - but not to the exact place. Much of this information comes from the original Denison Daily Herald Newspaper dated Monday August 29, 1898 of which I am in possession. It contains Thomas' obituary. A copy of it is in the picture archives. The rest comes from a trip I made to a cemetery reunion for those who have ancestors buried in Preston Bend. Met lots of people who knew quite abit about the cemetery. Hope this is helpful on Thomas Jefferson. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Doukel@aol.com To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:56 PM Subject: Duplicate entry, but hopefully easier to read > >Here's some info that I have regarding Marie Kile-Barnett's request regarding >her great grandmother, Ethel Gudgel-Kile (as well as other earlier family >members.) My grandmother, Mary Evelyn Gudgel Wood (Holland Porter Gudgel's >daughter), is Ethel's cousin. > > >Ethel's father: Thomas Wiley Gudgel >born---2/20/1869 in Springfield, Missouri or Madill, OK >married---1/30/1892 in Indian Territory, Jack County, TX (now Madill, OK) >deceased---6/9/1934 in California >his mother: Sarah Jones b.---1848 ; d.---1/2/1884 >his father: Thomas Jefferson Gudgel b.---10/20/1847 in Evansville, IN >m.---1866 to Sarah Jones >d.---9/1899 Madill, OK >buried: Oakland Cemetery near Madill, OK >other spouses: Mary Myers, Martha Allen >his father: Henry Thomas Gudgel (or Henry Thurman Gudgel ?) >his mother: Sarah Ann Johnson >his siblings: > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:59:32 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "\"William \\\"Bill\\\" Webb\"" Subject: Re: Thomas J. Gudgel Nice info on Thomas. I look forward to see the obit in the Gudgel web site archives. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes PS Did the death certificate list a cause of death? Or perhaps you don't have the death cert? From: "William \"Bill\" Webb" Subject: Re: Thomas J. Gudgel Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:18:26 -0500 Thanks. I don't have a death certificate. Death records don't start in Texas until 1903. He died 1898. Doubt seriously there would be one in OK either since the area he lived in was still Indian Territory in 1898. Death records start in OK in Oct 1908. His obit said he died of the abcess of the brain and ear. It also stated that an operation had been performed on him a week earlier to try and save his life but that means failed. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Dianne Holmes To: "William \"Bill\" Webb" Cc: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, September 21, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Thomas J. Gudgel >Nice info on Thomas. I look forward to see the obit in the Gudgel >web site archives. > >Dianne Gudgel-Holmes > >PS Did the death certificate list a cause of death? Or perhaps >you don't have the death cert? > > From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Mia K. Fleegel" , "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Mahlon Gudgell's children Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:27:37 -0500 Thanks for the memory jogger....................... Someone wrote me quite sometime ago asking if I could find any informtion on a Civil War Veteran who died in Red Wing. I sort of let the ball drop as I was not on the list at that time and I knew he wasn't a part of our Gudgel line. I run down to the History Center this week and see what I can find out. -jennette gudgel Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:36:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: "Jennette A. Gudgel" cc: Vivian Gudgell , gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Daniel Gudgel We have been able to track Daniel's movements in quite a bit of detail. He lived in all the same places Andrew lived: Fayette Co., PA, Woodford Co., KY and then with Andrew's other children in Jefferson Co., IN at about the same times except for the fact that he returned to Fayette County before moving to IN. WHO IS HE?? This mystery is driving me crazy!! Please comment or add to this if you have additional information! Mia ******************************************** Kennett Monthly Meeting Chester County, PA December 14, 1780 Rachel Goss married out of union. ********************************************************************* History of Fayette County, Pennsylvania with Biographical Sketches Edited by Franklin Ellis L.H. Everts & Co., Philadelphia 1882 Luzerne Township - Early Roads page 642 One of the early roads laid out through Luzerne was the one extending from James Crawford's ferry to Uniontown. . .The course of the road lay through Luzerne, Redstone, and Menallen townships. . . A road twenty-five feet wide from Josiah Crawford's ferry to Uniontown was reported at the December sessons of 1784 by the viewers, . .The route was from the ferry by way of Daniel Gudgel's, Samuel Douglas' mill (at Merrittstown, Amos Hough's Mill, and intersecting the road from James Crawford's ferry to Uniontown, the course of which road thereafter being followed. ********************************************************************** 1785 Gudel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1786 Gudgett, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1787 Gudgeal,Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1787 Gudel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1788 Gugel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1789 Guttche?, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township ********************************************************************* 1790 Federal Census Luzerne Township Fayette County, PA GUTCHELL, Daniel free white males: 2 (under 16), 1 (16+) free white females: 3 ************************************************************************ 1791 Daniel Gudgel Woodford County, KY Taxpayer 1792 Daniel Gudgel Woodford County, KY Taxpayer 3 horses, 5 cattle 1794 Daniel Gudshall Woodford County, KY Taxpayer 1795 Daniel Gudshall Woodford County, KY Taxpayer 1796 Daniel Gudshall Woodford County, KY Taxpayer 1797 (No Daniel Gudgel/Gudshall in Woodford County, KY) ************************************************************************* Marriage Consent: [transcription from Linda Finnel] Sir please to issue a Marriage License for Henry STUCKER to intermarry with my Daughter, Lidia, and oblige _____ ______. To the Clerk of Woodford County March 5, 1796 Daniel GUDSHALL James Edwards Saml. (Lambles, Lawless?) ***************************************************************** 1797 ?Gudgill, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1799 ?Guthel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township **************************************************************** 1800 Federal Census Luzerne Township Fayette County, PA page 560 GUTHEL, Daniel males: 4 (under 10), 1 (16-26), 1 (45+) females: 1 (10-16), 1 26-45) ******************************************************************** 1809 Gudghall, Danel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township **************************************************************** 1810 Federal Census Luzerne Township Fayette County, PA page 966 1/2 GUDGELL, Daniel males: 1 (under 10), 3 (16-26), 1 (45+) females: 1 (45+) ****************************************************************** Fayette County, PA Deed Book K, page 184 March 31, 1814 Rachel Gause Gudgell sold the land that she received from her father in his will. The deed mentions that Rachel and Daniel are both living in Luzerne Township, Fayette County, PA at this time. $610 was paid for the land by Elijah Crawford Senior of Fayette County. Because the land was given to Rachel and her children, the children were mentioned on the deed. The children mentioned are: Amy Gudgell, Stephen Gudgell, Lydia Gudgell and three minors: Isaac, Nathan & Mahlone. ************************************************************************ Jefferson County, Indiana Land Records Tract Book May 31, 1814 Daniel Gudgel bought 176 Acres. ************************************************************************* Jefferson County, Indiana Land Records Deed Book A, page 219 20 February 1815 Daniel and Rachel Gudgel sold to Henry Stucker part of the N.W. 1/4 3-2-9 105 acres. This was patented to Daniel Gudgel 31 May 1814 176.64 acres, the N.W. 1/4 3-2-9 *********************************************************************** Jefferson County, Indiana Land Records Deed Book C, page 464 1815 Daniel & Rachel Gudgell sold land to Henry Stucker ************************************************************************ Jefferson County, Indiana Land Records Deed Book 3, page 713 23 September 1848 Nathan and Rachel Gudgel sold to Thornton B. Gudgell all of Jefferson County the N.W. 1/4 3-2-9 except that portion conveyed by Daniel and wife to Henry Stucker by deed dated 20 February 1815 in Book A., pg. 271 being that portion willed by said Daniel to his son Nathan ********************************************************************* Wills of Jefferson County, Indiana 1853-1884 Gudgel, Daniel A, page 331-335, written July 7, 1819 Admitted to the court at the decease of Daniel, October 21,1821 Beloved wife Rachel - all my estate - after her death to my son Daniel, son Nathaniel 70 acres - other sons Stephen, Isaac & Mahlon. Two daus. but names not mentioned. Wife to be exec. Witnesses: Samuel James Y Robert McKinney. ********************************************************************** From: Doukel@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:14:45 EDT Subject: Re: Duplicate entry, but hopefully easier to read Wow, Bill !! Thanks so much for the info on Thomas Jefferson Gudgel. My grandmother (Mary Evelyn Gudgel Wood) will be very interested to know this info about her grandparents. I was looking over my info on Mary Myers (one of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel's three wives), and I noticed that I don't have info on her date and place of birth, along with their date and place of marriage. If you have that info, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could let me know the particulars. Thanks so much. Kellee Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:07:10 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" CC: "Jennette A. Gudgel" , Vivian Gudgell , gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Daniel Gudgel Mia, Thanks for laying out the life of Daniel G as we know it. One wonders why his marriage to Rachel Gause was considered to be "out of union." We assume Rachel was Quaker and he was not, but we know from the "naturalization oath" in Philadelphia about 1749 (?) that an Andrew Gotshall was a Quaker/Mennonite as he did not "swear" the oath. So either the family stopped being Quakers or the Andrew in 1749 wasn't our Old Andrew. Or of course it might be that Daniel didn't follow the family religion. I also find it interesting that Daniel married in 1780 which would it that he was born a little before 1760 very likely. Men didn't usually marry until they were in their early 20s. But we have information on an Andrew Gotshall with a wife Catherine baptizing two girls in the church in Bucks Co, PA in the1750s but I do not find a similar document for a son. Perhaps they were not living in Bucks Co just before 1760? Actually I think our Andrew was in Bucks Co in 1757-8 because we have that IOU for the money he borrowed then, right? I see that Daniel had a daughter that he married off in KY in 1796. She was likely about 16 and so was born about 1781 just after Daniel got married. The daughter Lidia is mentioned in subsequent documents and moved with her husband Stucker to IND. I wonder if anyone has traced the Stucker line to see if anyone doing genealogy there has information on Lidia and thus perhaps Daniel? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Woodford Co., KY Resources-GUDGEL Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:15:57 -0400 Hi Folks- Glad to see more interest in the list the last few days. I was looking up something tonight in one of my research books and it just dawned on me that some of you may be interested in some lookups from some of my sources. I have just about all of the publications put out by the Woodford Co. Historical Society and guess I take it for granted at having this information so handy. So, if there is something and/or someone you need help on just let me know. I have census records, deeds, wills, Marriage Bonds, Railey's History of Woodford Co, Cemetery Records ,etc. I also have several resources for Anderson Co., KY too. Since there are quite a few newcomers to the list since we began I thought I would submit all of the GUDGEL/GUDSHALL and some related entries from our best research seller...the Marriage Bonds. This has been a wonderful research tool for this area. If anyone needs a copy of a particular item just let me know. The originals are still at the County Clerks office and have been stored away while all documents were copied and filed in plastic sleeves and indexed by name of groom and are located at our local Historical Society There are also family surname files and printed family genealogies that I have access to. ****************************************************** There are Marriage Bonds, Consents and Ministers Marriage Returns (MMR) when found. Woodford Co., KY Marriage Bonds and Consents , Vol. 1- 1789-1830 GUDGEL/GUDSHALL all on page 66: GUDGEL, Abraham and Elizabeth HARBISON 12 July 1808 Bondsman; Benjamin UTTERBACK-Consent; Catherine HARBISON, mother of Elizabeth. GUDSHALL, Andrew and Jane MITCHELL 10 Jan 1792 Bondsman; John MITCHEL. GUDSHALL, Andrew and Betsey PAYNE-5 October 1793 Bondsman; George FRANCISCO. MMR; Married October 9th, 1793 by Gabriel WOODFIELD GUDSHALL, Jacob and Drusey DRISKILL 25 July 1791 Bondsman; Timothy DRISKILL-Consent; Timothy DRISKILL, father of Drusey-; MMR; Married July 26th 1791 by Gabriel WOODFIELD. GUDGELL, John and Jean HARBISON 23 May 1804 Bondsman; George DAUGHERTY-Consent; Catherine HARBISON, mother of Jean-Consent attested by George DAUGHERTY and Andrew HERREN. MUSICK, JESSE and Hannah GUDSHALL-7 Nov 1801 Bondsman- Hugh McGARRY-Consent; Andrew GUDSHALL (GUDGEL), father of Hannah. Consent attested by John GUDGEL and Hugh McGARRY. SAMPLE, Jacob and Rachel HARBISON-19 Feb 1805 Bondsman; John GUDGEL-Consent; Catherine HARBISON, mother of Rachel. Consent attested by Jacob SAMPLE and John GUDGEL. ODAM, Michael, Jr, and Polly GUDSHALL-5 Oct 1792 Bondsman; Andrew GUDSHALL. STUCKER, Henry and Lydia GUDSHALL-5 Mar 1796 Bondsman; James EDWARDS- Consent; Daniel GUDSHALL, father of Lydia. Consent attested by James EDWARDS and SAMUEL EDWARDS. STUCKER, Jacob and Salley GUDSHALL-14 Mar 1791 Consent; Andrew GUDSHALL, father of Salley (only a piece of bond located)-Consent attested by Andrew GUDSHALL, Jr. There are no GUDSHALL's, GUDGEL(L)'s listed in Vol. 2 (1831-1861). Old Andrew and family left KY about 1810/11. Hope this helps someone. Linda Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:54:24 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Woodford Co., KY Resources-GUDGEL Thanks Linda for bring all those resources to our attention. I just realized from your postings that Hugh McGary was a "bondsman" for Hannah Gudgel's marriage license. Now didn't Hannah's husband Jesse Musick die in the war of 1812 and didn't she then marry a McGary in Ind? So this shows the two families were together before moving to Ind. I wonder what other connections there were between the families. I know the McGary's moved to Ind several yrs before Old Andrew and that Old Andrew bought some land from the McGary family. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: DEEDS-Woodford Co., KY Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:08:13 -0400 Deed Books A and B 1789-1796 Woodford Co., KY (No GUDGEL's or GUDSHALL's listed) Page 80-April 6, 1790 John H. Craig, county of Woodford and Colony of Va. to Daniel WOODFIELD of County of Fayette and colony afsd. 37 pounds 10 shillings 138 acres being in county of Woodford on Glens Creek. Page 100- 3 April 1792 Daniel WOODFIELD and Elizabeth, his wife, county of Woodford, district of KY to Jeremiah Hifield 25 pounds 50 acres on Glens Creek bounded Conradus Piles running. Page 125-3 July 1792 Jeremiah Hifield and Sabra, his wife, county of Woodford, district of KY, to Daniel WOODFIELD 25 pounds 50 acres waters of Glens Creek corner to Coneadus Piles running. Page 155-9 Aug. 1792 John H. CRAIG of Woodford Co., KY to John Beck 15 pounds 30 acres waters of Glens Creek corner to William Jackson to Daniel WOODFIELD. Page 329- 23 November 1793 Daniel WOODFIELD and Elizabeth, his wife, to Royal WADE 25 pounds 50 acres on Glens Creek. Page 576-28 March 1796 John BECK and Eleanor, his wife, of Franklin Co. to Randolph Perry of Woodford 36 pounds 30 cares on waters of Glens Creek corner to William Jackson to Daniel WOODFIELD line. John Beck. ****************************************************** Deed Books C and C-2 1794-1805 Woodford Co., KY Page 80-20 September 1796 Henry STUCKER and Lydia, his wife, of Woodford Co. to Jacob STUCKER, 60 pounds 80 acres on waters of Kentucky River above the mouth of Glens Creek, on a line with Benjamin UTTERBACK, corner to Valentine STONER, to Eve STUCKER's preemption, with William STAPLES survey. A part of Margaret BREEDEN shall occupy as long as she lives. Teste: Andrew GUDSHALL Nathan BREEDEN William STEELE Lydia STUCKER relinquishes her dower Signed by Henry STUCKER Lydia STUCKER Page 563- Bond between William Graham, gunsmith of Franklin Co and Andrew GUDGEL, farmer and is son, Abram, of Woodford Co....Graham takes Abram (17 years old last Jan.) 3 years an apprecentice to Blacksmith busniess. 9 April 1803. Signed: William Graham and Andrew GUDGEL page 3-2 June 1794 John H. Craig to Cornelius Piles, 70 pounds, 125 acres, Glens Creek, corner to Daniel WOODFIELD, to Roseanna Mitchell's line. Page 51-7 July 1796 David (I think this should be Daniel) WOODFIELD of Woodford County to Conradas Peter (Piles?), 75 pounds, 88 acres on waters of Glens Creek. Page 148-4 Sept 1797 Randolph Perry and Polly, his wife, of Shelby Co. to Isaac Miles of Woodford, 100 pounds, 30 acres, with Danile WOODFIELD's line. Page 67-1 Sept 1795 Eve STUCKER to Phillip STUCKER 5 poinds, 194 acres between KY River and Glen's Creek, corner to Jacob STUCKER. Page 68-1 Sept, 1795 Eve STUCKER of Woodford to Jacob STUCKER of Scott (Scott Co.?) 5 pounds, 194 acres, part of Eve STUCKER's 400 acre preemption...... Page 534- I, Margaret BURDEEN, of Woodford Co., $60. deliver to Jacob STUCKER, a horse called filty, bed and bed clothes-29 Oct. 1804. **************************************************** These areby akk means not complete for related familes, however, they are all of the GUDGEL/GUDSHALL /WOODFIELD entries and some of the STUCKER entries. If you need a lookup for a particular surname let me know. I find it interesting that Old Andrew never actually had a deed recorded during this time and maybe that was one of the reasons he had problems with a clear title to his land here in Woodford Co. before he went to Indiana territory. The Woodfield and Stucker families, however, seemed to have been prominent in land transactions. I would like to search further into the later Deed Books at the Courthouse and see if there is anything further. Actually the original documents are probably at the KY Archives. Linda From: "Nancy Miller" To: , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: Woodford Co., KY Resources-GUDGEL Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:32:51 -0700 This gets very confusing (to me anyway!). But no, Hannah GUDGEL MUSICK did not marry a McGary - she married Adam TEAL 5 Sep 1817 in Gibson Co. However, her half sister, Hester GUDGEL did marry a McGary, Harrison McGARY 4 April 1821. I believe that Harrison was a son of the Hugh McGARY in KY, but I don't believe I have any proof of that. There is a new book out (which I have ordered, but not received) on Hugh McGARY, Revolutionary soldier. I hope it may clear up some of the connections between the MCGARY's, GUDGEL's and TEAL's. That Harrison McGARY married Nancy PRITCHETT COOPER 29 Mary 1837 (after Hester died) and he had a Hugh Davis MCGARY (1839-1924) whose son married Emma TEEL (my great aunt). And yes, Jesse Musick did die in 1811 at the Battle of Tippecanoe, which was really before the War of 1812 had been delared. My great-great grandmother was denied a widow's pension, because they said her husband (Solomon Males) served before the war and he was at the Battle of Tippecanoe. I think a lot of those Gibson Co. boys went off to that battle. Nancy Teel Miller Thanks Linda for bring all those resources to our attention. > >I just realized from your postings that Hugh McGary was a >"bondsman" for Hannah Gudgel's marriage license. Now didn't >Hannah's husband Jesse Musick die in the war of 1812 and didn't >she then marry a McGary in Ind? So this shows the two families >were together before moving to Ind. I wonder what other >connections there were between the families. I know the McGary's >moved to Ind several yrs before Old Andrew and that Old Andrew >bought some land from the McGary family. > >Dianne Gudgel-Holmes > > From: "William \"Bill\" Webb" Subject: Re: Mary Myers (2nd wife of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:35:07 -0500 Kellee, I'll provide what I can on Mary. She has been what one would call "a hard nut to crack". Thomas and Mary were my G-Grandparents on my Maternal side. Some of what I'll present is Family History written down by my Elders throughout the years. Mary Myers was half-Cherokee. Her Father was a man named Henry Myers that took a Cherokee lady as a wife and they had 4 children - Dave, Elam, Alice and Mary. I don't know the birth order of the 4 - this is just how I am listing them. My Grandmother Dollie Mae Gudgel remembered all but Elam. So he could have been the oldest. My elders said Mary's Grandmother was in the "Trail of Tears" when the Cherokee were rounded up and marched to the Indian Territory. I have absolutley no proof of this other than hearing the story all my life. Maybe someday I can prove or disprove it. According to a letter written by Dollie Gudgel on 24 Dec 1941 (when she was 54 years old), her Mother Mary Myers was born on 20 Jan 1863 and died on 18 October 1891. We do not know where she was born as we have been unable to pin down Henry Myers in 1870 or 1880. Much work left to do here when time and money permits. Henry Myers died and his wife took the 4 children and went to "the reservation". Which one we don't know. There were many in Indian Territory. According to my records, Sarah Gudgel died on 2 Jan 1884. My Grandmother Dollie was born on 16 Feb 1887 and was the first born to Thomas and Mary. So they married somewhere in this frame and probably in Indian Territory. We have tried many times to do a search for a record and always hit a brick wall. Thomas and Mary are enumerated in the 1890 Chickasaw Nation Indian Territory census - yet it yields limited information. Gudgel, TJ & wife Age 33 (an error - it should be 43) 3 males in the household 2 females in the household Woodville PO US Citizen Family Total - 7 members We have tried to determine who the 5 children were. One female was definitely Dollie. We suspect the other female may have been the half -sister to Dollie, Mary Agnes Gudgel or "Aunt Molly" as my family knew her. They were close throughout life and I remember Aunt Molly. The 3 males could possibly have been later sons of Thomas and Sarah that had yet to leave home. Flora Gudgel was born to Thomas and Mary in Sept 1891. Mary Myers-Gudgel died on 18 October 1891. Flora Gudgel died in January 1892. It is suspect that the delivery of Flora was hard on both her and Mary due to the closeness of their death dates. There was talk of another child born to Thomas and Mary between Dollie and Flora that died young but no evidence has been found as yet. Thomas married Martha (his 3rd wife) on 29 October 1893 near Cliff, Indian Territory according to my records. Thomas died on 27 August 1898 and was buried originally near Woodville (his obit). The wife his obit mentions was Martha. The 1900 Chickasaw Nation Indian Territory census enumerates Martha Gudgel and the family on 9 June 1900: Woodville District T7S R6E 55 57 Gudgel, Martha, head, widow ______, William, son ______, Ethel O., daug ______, Arthur L., son ______, Dolly M., step daug ______, Luther, son The problem we have with Mary Myers is that she lived such a short life - 3 months short of 29 when she died. She was married to Thomas a short time also - 7 years max - probably less. The 1890 census is the only record we have of her and even it doesn't mention her name. Tracking from 1890-1920 has been easy. But I've got my work cut out for me prior to 1890. When I can find a stopping place on my Webb and Tidwell research, I plan to spend time in OK in the Indian Archives. Hope this helps, Bill From: Doukel@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:05:30 EDT Subject: Re: Mary Myers (2nd wife of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel) Bill--- Wow again!! Thank you for providing the info on Mary Myers and her family. I can't wait to show my grandmother(Mary Evelyn Gudgel Wood). Maybe she can shed some light on what you've found. She knew Aunt Doll and Uncle Luke (I even met him when I was a child), but I don't believe she ever mentioned William, Ethel and Arthur. Maybe it'll be news to her too. In any case, she'll be quite interested. I will try to send more of what I have on the Gudgels to the Gudgel List soon. Thanks again. Kellee Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:17:41 -0700 From: Daniela Moneta Subject: Re: Mary Myers (2nd wife of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel) Hi Gudgel Researchers, I subscribe to DearMYRTLE and found this interesting note. Interesting because Andrew Gudgel and Barbary Hoch supposable had several children while living in Philadelphia or Chester Co., PA, including my ancestor, Susanna Gudgel, born in 1758. Two other daughters, Elizabeth and Catherine, were born in the early 1760s in Chester. Thanks, Daniela DearMYRTLE's DAILY GENEALOGY COLUMN Beginning Lesson #11A - Local Histories: Books (Part 2 of a series) DearREADERS, When it comes to finding local histories, the usual and customary reference work on the subject is P. William Filby's A Bibliography of American County Histories. (1985), 1987. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company. ISBN 0806311266. From the publisher: "This comprehensive work provides a state-by-state listing of all county histories of any significance. For each is given information concerning the title, author, place and date of publication, as well as details of editions, reprints, and indexes. In all, it covers 5,000 county histories published to date." In the past readers have questioned my recommendation of this book published in 1985/1987 for the most recent information on county histories. Quite simply, most researchers can accomplish their 20th century ancestral quest using family and vital records sources. We need help with pre-1900 research. Many significant county histories were printed in the crucial post-Civil War time period of 1890-1910. For this we are grateful that Mr. Filby's book spotlights the authors and titles of those books most likely to illuminate pre-1900 county and state development. Locating a copy of these now antique publications mentioned in Filby's bibliography is a challenge. You'll use online card catalogs in attempts to borrow them through inter-library loan. However, genealogy libraries usually maintain their genealogy books, particularly the rare old titles in a reference section -- meaning you can only view them in person. Don't despair! Thankfully, Heritage Books is slowly but surely scanning for viewing on CD or in book format many of these older county histories. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ CASE STUDY: During various research trips to Pennsylvania, I have had to struggle to photocopy some of the pages of History of Chester County, Pennsylvania, with Genealogical and Biographical Sketches - J. Smith Futhey and Gilbert Cope. Its a huge publication, perhaps 14" x 17" inches and a good 4 inches thick. The first time I poured through it, I found clues for early PA (1600s) ancestors on a few of my lines. After confirming these clues using original wills on microfilm, I then discovered more surnames and towns in Chester County to search. So I've had to wait one or two years each time until I get to Pennsylvania to look up the new names and localities in this book. We simply don't have the title in our southwest Florida libraries. Now that Heritage Books has reprinted the out-of-copyright book, I'm able to have my own copy. Of course the pages are smaller, the text is smaller, but I just updated my bi-focal prescription, so I am in business! >From Heritage Book's description: "History of Chester County, Pennsylvania, with Genealogical and Biographical Sketches - J. Smith Futhey and Gilbert Cope. Officially created by William Penn on November 25, 1682, along with Philadelphia and Bucks County, Chester County was one of the first established counties in the Pennsylvania Province. The first section of the book is a general history of the county dealing with such topics as: religion, education, agriculture, masons, mills, banks, judges, county officials, lawyers, doctors, etc. The second section of the book provides over three hundred pages of brief genealogical and biographical sketches of county residents. (1881) reprint, 782 pp., 2 vols., 8.5x11, illus., map, append., index, paper." Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:55:07 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "\"William \\\"Bill\\\" Webb\"" Subject: Re: Mary Myers (2nd wife of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel) Nice piece on this fascinating segment of Gudgel family history Bill. I assume you have asked for help from the BIA and other appropriate government and Indian agencies and archives to fill in your gaps? I know the BIA may not be able to help because of the old date involved but there are increasingly more and more native Americans who are doing family history plus applying for delayed recognition etc., so I know there are many sources out there that might have information. There are several native museums and archives in OK and I guess you must have asked for help from their files? Keep at it as I find it very interesting. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Indian relations Speaking of possible Cherokee relations, whatever happened to the possibility that, Ethel's mother: Emma Sarah Sevedge b.---2/22/1875 in Denton County, TX; d.---8/16/1960 in California (Thomas Wiley Gudgel's husband) father, I think it was, was part or full Cherokee? (Dianne? Dad?) Bob Gudgel Evrett WA Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Daniela Moneta Subject: Re: Mary Myers (2nd wife of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel) Thank you Daniela for the information on the Filby book. I work in Maps & Government Information Department at the library at Syracuse University. I read your email at lunchtime and ran right out to the stacks just a few feet from my office and there was Filby's book on County Histories! If any of you need a lookup just let me know. Mia On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Daniela Moneta wrote: > Hi Gudgel Researchers, > I subscribe to DearMYRTLE and found this interesting note. > > DearMYRTLE's DAILY GENEALOGY COLUMN > Beginning Lesson #11A - Local Histories: Books > (Part 2 of a series) > DearREADERS, > When it comes to finding local histories, the usual and customary reference > work on the subject is P. William Filby's A Bibliography of American County > Histories. (1985), 1987. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company. ISBN > 0806311266. From the publisher: "This comprehensive work provides a > state-by-state listing of all county histories of any significance. For each > is given information concerning the title, author, place and date of > publication, as well as details of editions, reprints, and indexes. In all, > it covers 5,000 county histories published to date." Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:31:59 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: Indian relations There have been many discussions over the years and rumors of "Indian" in the family and yes, Ethel Gudgel Kile's mother (Emma Sarah Sevedge Gudgel) did look very Indian as did some of her children. But we have never been able to find out much and in fact I doubt any of us tried looking very hard in the correct places. I think the rumors can now be confirmed to go back to Thomas Jefferson Gudgel's last wives. And thanks to Bill for laying it all out so nicely for us. He is learning more and more each year. Whether Emma Sevedge was some how adopted from an Indian heritage I don't know. Perhaps her Sevedge side of the family has something we don't know about. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Lois Miller" Subject: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:01:33 -0500 Please sign me up on the list. Would like to receive info on the Gudgels Thanks, Lois Miller From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Just Stuff Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:04:01 -0400 Hi to everybody! It's sure been quiet on the list lately. Suppose everyone is busy. Cold weather is coming into Kentucky in the next few days. 82 today (Thursday) and down to 40 by Sunday. Great weather for all of us to take colds. I have been working on my HUTCHSON family lines and just finished a project that has been in the making for nearly a year. My grandparents line (Samuel M. GUDGEL m. Verna E. HUTCHISON). I have left a few queries this week and responded to a couple of others on some genealogy net sites about the ALLEBACH and PANNCAKE lines (allied family names to children of Frederick GOTTSCHALK's daughters-Agnes and Ann; and sisters of old Andrew) according to Frederick's Will. Will keep you posted. Someone mentioned Terri Montigny a week or so ago. Anyone heard from her? Daniela Moneta, Diane Gudgel-Holmes, Terri and myself were the first ones to connect in this GUDGEL family and we would meet in a private chat site and the messages would fly! Maybe we could call ourselves the "founding members" ?? LOL. Would love to hear from Terri. ***************************************************** I did have a question. Anyone have anything further on this family line from Missouri. and KS....... William D. GUDGEL b. 1846 IN, d. 1877 Linn Co., KS. married Nov. 11, 1870 Linn Co., KS to Mary Ann STORM(S). Mary Ann d/o Oliver Perry Storm and Mary Scott. William and Mary Ann had oe known daughter, Minnie GUDGEL, b. 1875 Linn Co., KS. William's line was: father-Jacon GUDGEL (b. 1818 IN, d.Bernard, Linn Co., KS) and mother-Margaret STEWART (b. 1819 IN, d. LyCagyne, KS). grandfather-John GUDGEL grandmother-Jean HARBISON ****************************************************** Not much else going on here except the Presidential Debates. Keeneland Race Course opens this weekend also. Wedding plans are moving along....ready to meet with the caterer. Our Historical Homes Tour is 9 weeks away.....I think it's going to be great. We're even having carriage rides through town. Wouldn't a few snow flurries make it neat for Christmas? Remember I said a little......no room for a blizzard : ) Got to go. Anyone else find anything of interest lately? Linda >From soon to be cold Kentucky. Burrrrrrr....rain tonight. From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Organization: Syracuse University Library Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:06:25 EDT The Shelby Gudgel Letters are still available online at: http://www.mach500.net/liggetkw/incw/letters/67th/shelbymenu.htm Mia Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:16:52 -0700 From: Bobby Mushtaq To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Gatchell & Gause Dear Mia, Sorry, but I don't think so. My family originally came from Ireland and Scotland. At least that is what I've been told. My great-aunts who were Gatchels before they married might have more info. The more I think about it the more likely it seems that the name is really German. The community they lived in as children and where they still live today is mostly of German decent. Let me do some checking and I will get back to you later. Sorry I can't be of any more help. Bobbie Mushtaq "Mia K. Fleegel" wrote: > I am doing research on the descendants of Andrew Gudgel (born > about 1727) who I believe lived in Bucks Co., PA, possibly Chester > Co., PA, Fayette Co., PA (as early as 1768), Woodford Co., KY > and Gibson Co. IN (where he died in abt 1815). I believe he > married Barbara Hoch (one of 3 wives) and had at least 17 kids. > > A close relative of Andrew's was Daniel Gudgel. Daniel married > Rachel Gause, daughter of Charles Gause of Chester Co. She was > a Quaker and was reprimanded by the Kennett Monthly meeting for > marrying out of union in 1780. She was then living in Fayette Co., > PA with Daniel. > > Gause is also spelled Goss, Gross, etc. > Gudgel is also spelled just about every way: Gudshall, Gottschalk, > Gogle, Gutchel, etc. > > Does any of this ring a bell with you. Could your "Gatchell's" > possibly be "Gudgel's" The Gudgel family is traditionally described > as German Mennonite. > > Thanks, > Mia K. Fleegel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: JEFFERSON CO., IN BURIAL SITES-1st Segment Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:55:06 -0400 Last night I stumbled onto a web site for Jefferson Co., IN that Ruth Hoggart had submitted for cemeteries inventoried in 1941 by the local D.A.R. It was quite large and I decided I didn't need to print off 44 pages since there were many I didn't need, however, after I began manually copying down the names, dates, etc. I realized this was a huge undertaking. I woulnd up spending several hours going through all of the cemeteries. I concentrated on the names WOODFILL, GUDGEL(L) and STUCKER. I will now submit my findings in hope that someone can use this data at some point. All burial sites are in Jefferson Co., IN. First the WOODFILL's: HEBRON CEMETERY, Monroe Township (Graham Road located behind Hebron Baptist Church) Woodfill-Waggoner stone: William Woodfill b. April 4, 1880, d. February 24, 1956 Clara B. Woodfill b. June 23, 1895, d. Dec. 30, 1931 Wilma Woodfill Keith E. Waggoner Leona Waggoner Horace C. Woodfill b. February 8, 1850, d. Dec. 8, 1922 (ss-Hannah L. Woodfill) (note: think this means same stone) Hannah L. Woodfill, w/o H.C., b. Feb. 7, 1852, d. Jan. 29, 1931 (ss-Horace C. Woodfill) John S.G. Woodfill b. Sept. 8, 1824, d. Sept. 10, 1896 (ss-Christina Woodfill) Christina Woodfill b. July 6, 1855, d.- no date (ss-John S.G. Woodfill) Jeannette Woodfill 1903-1918 Ida Custer Woodfill 1874-1954 (ss-Charles S. Woodfill) Charles S. Woodfill 1874-1953 (ss-Ida C. Woodfill) William C. Woodfill- Indian Pvt., Co. L, 29 Regt., Infantry b. April 24, 1880 d. Feb. 23, 1956 Carrie Woodfill-"Sister" 1883-1959 (ss-Christopher Woodfill) Christopher Woodfill- "Brother" 1889-1964 (ss-Carrie Woodfill) Woodfill-Chambers stone: Ada Christine Chambers 1909-1936 Christina Woodfill 1855-1919 John S.G. Woodfill 1824-1896 Julia Woodfill Rice 1875-1949 Other Side: Mary M. Chambers 1887-1974 James A. Chambers 1884-1949 BROOKS GRAVEYARD, Milton Township: William G.G. Woodfill 1835-1868 Mary F. Woodfill 1836-1923 William G.G. Woodfill 1860-1929 Noah B. Woodfill d. 1861 BROOKSBURG CEMETERY, Milton Township: Charles Woodfill 1899-1984 Falba Woodfill 1904-1994 (same stone) George N. Woodfill 1868-1953 Constance Woodfill 1894-1956 Nancy A. Woodfill 1870-1949 Connie A. Woodfill 1894-1956 (these 4 are on the same stone) BIG CREEK CEMETERY, Monroe Township: Clarence G. Woodfill b. April 13, 1845, d. May 6, 1890 SPRINGDALE CEMETERY, Madison Township: G.E. Woodfill- 1st Co., Pontoniero, LA Vol. OLIVE BRANCH CEMETERY, Madison Township: William Woodfill- d. June 22, 1849, age 43 years Joseph Woodfill- d. May 7, 1856, age 71 years Louisa Woodfill- d. July 19, 1860, age 58 years Taylor Woodfill- b. March 26, 1821, d. Jan. 13, 1872 Sallie A. Woodfill- w/o Taylor Woodfill, b. Feb. 22, 1829, d. Nov. 23, 1920 Mary Woodfill- b. Nov. 25, 1813, d. Jan. 6, 1874 WOODFILL CEMETERY, Madison Township: John Woodfill- d. Feb. 20, 1854, age 73 years. William P. Woodfill- d. March 24, 1862, age 39 years. John R. Woodfill-b. Jan. 23, 1827, d. February 14, 1881 Miranda J. Wilson--w/o J.R., b. Nov. 25, 1829, d. Sept. 14, 1896 Andrew Woodfill-d. 1821, no stone-see deed of farm) Daniel Woodfill 1758-1822 Gabriel Woodfill 1758-1834 (Twin brothers-probably buried here-no stone). To Be Continued: From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: JEFFERSON CO., IN BURIAL SITES-2ND SEGMENT Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:01:31 -0400 WOODFILL's Continued: JEFFERSON CHURCH CEMETERY Shelby Township William T. Woodfill-son of A. and Mary Woodfill b. April 9, 1940, d. May 10, 1860 (this is surely a typo-but that's what it had). INDIAN-KENTUCK/FLAT BOTTOM CEMETERY Shelby Township Abraham Woodfill Isaac Woodfill Twin sons of Daniel and Julia Woodfill d. June 20 and 22, age 9 mos (no year given) Daniel Woodfill- 1803-Sept. 7, 1876 Julia Ann Woodfill- b. June 4, 1804, d. Nov. 22, 1867 wife of Daniel Woodfill CANAAN CEMETERY Shelby Township Florence Woodfill- b. July 28, 1880, d. Jan. 17, 1901 McLAUGHLIN CEMETERY Madison Township Nathaniel Wilson-b. Mar. 14, 1804, d. January 27, 1867 Revoluntionary Soldier. s/o Nathaniel and Susannah ilson (bur. in Underwood Cemetery). His wife was Susannah WOODFILL, d/o John and Sarah WOODFILL. She is buried in WOODFILL CEMETERY. Notes: This concludes the Woodfill burial sites in Jefferson Co., IN. The surname RIKER/RYKER and WHITESETT sppears in several of these cemeteries. I seem to remember the RYKER/RIKER family married into the WOODFILL family. Somewhere I have seen the name WHITESETT also connected with either the WOODFILL's or GUDGEL(L) family. To Be Continued with Segment 3 Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: JEFFERSON CO., IN. BURIAL SITES-SEGMENT 3 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:06:05 -0400 GUDGEL(L) sites found- BETHANY CEMETERY Graham Township John R. Gudgel 1856-1935 Elzie W. Gudgel 1883-1906 Mary A. Gudgel d/o H. & F. Gudgel b. Oct. 9, 1843, d. July 12, 1890 Andrew J. Gudgel b. Sept. 26, 1851, d. May 22, 1885 William Gudgel b. Oct. 3, 1847, d. June 5, 1879 Harvey Gudgel b. Apr. 23, 1823, d. Nov. 26, 1885 Fannie Gudgel w/o H. Gudgel, b. Jan. 9, 1826, d. Nov. 26, 1885 (Note: Whitesett's buried here and also in Graham Township on Hansell's Farm.) PISGAH CHURCH CEMETERY Graham Township (note GUDGEL(L) surname spelled both ways) Amos Gudgell 1834-1888 Mary Trout Gudgell 1837-1878 Almira, w/o David Gudgell, d. July 30, 1842, age 35 years. Melissa J. Gudgel-b. Nov. 9, 1842, d. May 2, 1925 Wesley D. Gudgel-b. June 2, 1827, d. Jan. 18, 1902 Mathilda Gudgel- b. Mar. 6, 1835, d. Aug. 26, 1908 George W. Gudgel- 1856-1928 William Gudgel- 1854-1922 Dona Coombs Gudgel 1870-19___ Otto J. Gudgel 1870-1936 Belle Gudgel 1856-1934 (Note: There are also lots of Whitesett's buried in this cemetery and also in the Wiggam Cemetery, Graham Township) MARLING CEMETERY Saluda Township Sarah Gudgel- d. Jan. 14, 1850, in 33 year. Stephen Gudgel- s/o T & S, d. Aug. 10, 1847, age 1 year Elizabeth H. Gudgel-w/o Thornton B. Gudgel, d. Oct. 21, 1854, in 35 year. This concludes Segment 3. To Be Continued with Segment 4: Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: JEFFERSON CO. IN. BURIAL SITES-SEGMENT 4 (Final) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:08:42 -0400 This is the final segment an I will list the STUCKER burial sites: MT, ZION CEMETERY Saluda Township Henry Stucker-b. Feb. 2, 1826, d. Nov. 13, 1898 Minerva Stucker- b. Mar. 9, 1827, d. Sept. 13, 1902 Ann Stucker-b. Jan. 22, 1861, d. August 30, 1897 Francis M. Stucker-b. Nov. 29, 1835, d. April 19, 1869 KENT GRAVEYARD Republican Township Edward Stucker- b. Dec. 24, 1869, d. Sept. 20, 1889 WHITE RIVER CEMETERY Republican Township Stephen P. Stucker- b. Sept. 20, 1804, d. Oct. 21, 1869 MADDOX CEMETERY Saluda Township Andrew Stucker-b. Aug. 15, 1795, d. July 22, 1842 George W. Stucker-s/o A.&E., b. Apr. 9, 1825, d. Aug. 29, 1836. William J. Stucker-s/o A.&E., d. Aug. 22, 1846, 5 years of age. Sara Ann Stucker-d/o A.&E., b. Nov. 8, 1826, d. Oct. 22, 1848 Cintha Stucker-d/o A.&E., b. Dec. 26, 1838, d. Oct. 22, 1849 (Note-this family had two children that died exactly one year to the day apart. How sad. Linda) WOODFILL CEMETERY Madison Township Reason Stucker- d. April 29, 1853, age 42 years. Melissa Stucker- w/o Reason, b. Mar. 21, 1810, d. Jan. 3, 1862 51 years of age. SPRINGDALE CEMETERY Madison Township Harriett E. Stucker-b. Oct. 30, 1865, d. June 28, 1882. ST. ANTHONY CEMETERY Madison Township Albert E. Stucker- b. Feb. 8, 1896, d. Oct. 5, 1974 Mary B. Stucker-April 8, 1899, d. Sept. 28, 1987 MARLING CEMETERY Saluda Township Goodlove Stucker- b. June 1, 1861, d. no date Adelia Stucker- b. Aug. 6, 1859,d. Jan. 3, 1904 Adeline Stucker-b. Aug. 6, 1859, d. June 3, 1904 (Note: Twin girls that died 5 mos. apart) Mathilda Stucker- w/o Jasper N., dau. of Wm. M. Smith d. Nov. 10, 1877 age 21 yrs., 10 mos., 15 days (Note: I have purposely submitted these burial sites in groups of surnames even though some of the different families are buried in the same cemeteries. Thought it would be easier to keep track of this way. Linda) From: "M. Wingert" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: JEFFERSON CO., IN BURIAL SITES-2ND SEGMENT Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:11:24 -0500 Linda: Do you know the name of the Abraham Gudgel ,() ----- the name of the elder Abraham's wife? The father of the Abraham that married Elizabeth Anne "Betsy" Burch. That Abraham apparently died in 1815, shortlly after Abraham 2 was born. Mary Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:38:59 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: JEFFERSON CO. IN. BURIAL SITES-SEGMENT 4 (Final) Linda, Thanks for doing all that work on the cemetery listings! I hope you really did not mean in your first message that you actually HAND copied the items? If the data were in some form of Windows based software you should be able to highlight a item and push Control C which then "copies" the line. With another window open you can then go and hit Control V and your item will be pasted there. I hope these web sites with such wonderful info will allow us to the quick copy and paste method as I certainly groan over the thought of you using pencil and paper. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Lowell Pankake" Subject: Fredrick Godstchalk's will Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:18:50 -0500 For those who are interested, I've uploaded a transcript of Fredrick Godtschalk's will to my website. The URL is www.usfamily.net/web/pankake/pafred.htm . Thanks to Dianne Gudgel-Holmes for lending me her photocopy. Lowell Pankake pankake@usfamily.net www.usfamily.net/web/pankake From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 9 19:29:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA20281; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:29:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:29:01 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c03261$86334f60$3c95fcd1@lindascomputer> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: WOODFILL Cemetery data Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:21:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"LSsJx.0.by4.jxduv"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1528 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com In answer to Diane's question.....yes, I did write them all manually and then transcribed them into email. I had gotten so deep into it when I realized how big it was that I just kept going. Just hated to print out all of the data that I didn't need. I have looked over the info. and tried to fit most of them in my databse. I did okay on the GUDGEL's except for a few but I am need help on the WOODFILL's. Can anyone identify these people. I knew very few except for the older ones. How about the STUCKER family? Anyone able to identify those? BTW, great sire for Lowell PANNCAKE if anyone wants to check it out. TTYL, Linda From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:24:38 EDT Subject: Tax collection in Western PA - 1772. Last week my brother and I drove down to Philadelphia and Harrisburg, PA to see if we could find some more pieces to the Gudgel mystery. We had no breakthrough (darn) but I want to share what we did find. On Tuesday we visited the Pennsylvania Historical Society on the corner of Locust and 15th Street just down the street from the Philadelphia City Hall. I looked through the county histories and picked up this little tidbit: History of Washington County, Pennsylvania with biographical sketches of many of its pioneers and prominent men. Edited by Boyd Crumrine. Philadelphia; L.H. Everts & Co.; 1882 p.166 Upon the erection of Bedford County, March 9, 1771, Fort Pitt still being a post garrisoned by the king's soldiers, the residents in the Monongahela valley were called upon to contribute their shares of the taxes necessary to maintain the county government, whereupon the mass of them having come from Maryland and Virginia, and being doubtful in the absence of an established western boundary under which government they dwelt, resistance to the collection of taxes followed of course…. p.167 On July 18th [1772] St. Clair wrote to Mr. Shippen from Bedford "A day or two ago a petition in the name of the people living to the westward of Laurel Hill; signed by two hundred and twenty persons, was presented to our court. It charged the Government and the officers of the court with great oppression and injustice, and prayed that directions might be given to the sheriffs to serve no more process in that country, as they apprehended it was not in Pennsylvania." p.168 Soon afterwards, but without date, another letter was written by Capt. St. Clair [I.St. Clair Papers, 267] to Mr. Shippen. . . "However, there is still a number of people, abetted cheifly by Mr. Croghan, that refuse to submit to the jusrisdiction of this Provicne, and very lately the sheriff has been very ill treated by a number of them; about twelve waylaid him and come upon him and one of his deputies stark naked, and threatened to put them both to immediate death, but after much abuse they consented to let them go at that time, but swore in the most dreadful manner, that if ever they returned to attempt to serve process, they would sacrifice them or follow them to their own houses and put them to the most cruel death. The sheriff knew several of them, particularly Abraham TeaGarden and William TeaGarden the younger, who are the ringleaders of the gang of villains, John Death, ANDREW GUDGELL, and Michael Cack; and they were all well armed with guns, tomahawk, pistols, and clubs; and the sheriff is of opinion that only for a pocket pistol which he produced he would certainly have met with extreme ill usage if he had escaped with his life. "I have said these people are chiefly abetted by Mr. Croghan, and I think I have reason to say so; for no longer ago that Friday last, the collector and the constable, whom he had called to assistance to levy his (Mr. Croghan's) taxes, were drove off by his people, and that Mr. Croghan himself threated to put any or all of them to death if they attempted to touch any of his effects, for that he was not within the Province by twenty miles." Do you think this is OUR Andrew, his son?? Where do we now stand on non-violence?? Maybe he really was in the Revolutionary War!! More to come.... Mia Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Gause Family The focus of my trip to Philadelphia was to try to find out where Andrew went between Bucks Co., PA and Fayette Co., PA. I spent most of my time looking in Chester Co., PA. After examing everything I could find I have just about concluded that Andrew probably was not there. More about that later. However, the Gause Family was there. As you may remember we had a note that Rachel Gause, wife of Daniel Gudgel, married out of meeting as recorded at the Kennett Monthly meeting in Chester Co., PA. I hastily jumped to the conclusion that she probably married Daniel in Chester Co. The information I found transcribed in the Pennsylvania Historical Society in Philadelphia indicates that it was probably near Redstone in Fayette County and gives and interesting view of the travels of the Gause family. Mia ****************************************** Newark & Monthly Meeting Abstract of Minutes 1739 - 1791 Pennsylvania State Historical Society, Philadelphia, PA Call Number - Ch 9F:4 (this book was a transcription done by a member of the Historical Society in LONG HAND before we had copy machines - can you imagine the dedication?!) Newark Monthly Meeting, At Kennett page 91 1753-11-3 Charles Goss, of New Garden Mtg. & Grace Dixon 2nd time: John Pyle and Joseph Walter to oversee. Newark Monthly Meeting, At Center page 111 1757-6-4 Charles Goss produced cert from New Garden 11-27-1756. Kennett Monthly Meeting page 147 1762-6-17 Certs requested for William Tate, John Brown & Charles Goss with their wives & children to Fairfax: Daniel Nichols, Jonathan Greave & William Gregg to enquire &c. page 148 1762-8-12 Certs signed for William Tate, wife & children, John Brown, wife and children & for Ezekiel Leonard. Some obstruction to Charles Goss' which is continued under care of John Pyle & former friends. 1762-9-16 The obstruction to Charles Goss's cert not removed but he being removed to Virginia has been written to. page 149 10-14-1762 No answer from Charles Goss: same from with John Dixon to press him to use endeavors to remove the obstruction page 150 11-11-1762 Charles Goss case continued. page 213 8-16-1770 "This meeting being informed that Charles Goss (who requested a certificate for himself and family to Fairfax Monthly Meeting in the year 1762 and on inquirie there appear'd some obstruction against it, and tho divers times sent and spoak too, to come and Remove said Obstruction, hath neglected the same) is since Removed to or near Read Stone Creek, quite removed from friends and not likely to be Treated with for his disorders Therefore we account him no member of our Religious Society until he Doth condemn his above said misconduct to friends satisfaction which that he may is our desire." page 293 1778-11-13 Women complain of Sarah Goss for marrying her first cousin: John Way to Assist to prepare testimony & acquaint her thereof if opportunity serve (She living at a great distance) page 296 1779-1-14 Testimony against Sarah Goss returned. (recorded) page 327 1780 Dec. 15 "This meeting being informed by letter from Charles Goss at ye settlement beyond ye Allegene Mountains, that his son Solomon is married to his first cousin, & his daughter Rachel is gone out in her marriage. James Wilson, John Phillips, Jonathan Greave & James Jackson are appointed to produce Testimonies to next meeting." page 328 1781-1-11 "Testimonies signed against Solomon Goss and Rachel Gudgil: Same friends continued to send them copies." page 333 1781-6-14 "Charles Goss, who was disowned by this meeting in ye year 1770 appeared here and offered a Paper Condeming his misconduct for which he was disowned which being considered is Received." Certificate signed for the family to Hopewell. (original inserted in the book and signed by Charles Gause) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:45:33 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Tax collection in Western PA - 1772. Mia, I have done a lot of research on this issue of the "Laurel Hill" folks their rioting against being part of Virginia or PA for that matter. They wanted to be a separate state/colony. It is complex issue and I want to look further into it. I have a copy of all the 200+ names mentioned on the petition. As someone else noted way back then, the names are all in the same pen, thus they have been rewritten. Yes, the Andrew Gudgel is ours as far as I am concerned although I am not sure if it was Jr or Sr. And yes it seems strange that a Mennonite should be charged with rioting. You may have also learned that Andrew pleaded guilty rather than fight the charges. That Teagarden fellow was bad company as his name shows up again in the courts. If you notice in the piece you quoted, it said that most of the settlers were from Virginia or Maryland. I still would like to find those papers in VA about PA land. There is an area of southern PA that you all may recall we have discussed before and that area was for a time in kind of a no-man's land being claimed both by PA and VA. Records exist in VA and I sure want to find them. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:53:37 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Gause Family Great reading. Does anyone know what it all means? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: Re: Tax collection in Western PA - 1772. Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:44:47 -0700 Dianne About the Andrew who was in the tax riot being Sr. or Jr.___I have a birth date for Jr as 1760 or later. Wouldn't he be pretty young to be rioting about taxes in 1772? On the other hand, Andrew Sr. would have been 44 yrs. old. IMHO Thanks, Mia, for all the good research, vivian gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: Dianne Holmes To: Mia K. Fleegel Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Tax collection in Western PA - 1772. > Mia, > I have done a lot of research on this issue of the "Laurel > Hill" folks their rioting against being part of Virginia or PA > for that matter. They wanted to be a separate state/colony. It is > complex issue and I want to look further into it. > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:54:55 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Tax collection in Western PA - 1772. Good point Vivian about Andrew Jr being too young for rioting in 1772 if he was born in 1760! Thanks for picking up on that and someday we might find out more about Andrew Jr's birthplace and date which is as you said reported to be 1760 and I have down Baltimore as his place of birth. Dianne From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: 1772 Tax Records and GAUSE family data Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:12:23 -0400 Mia- Thanks for all the information you've given us. I wish I could have gone with you and your brother! What a neat trip. And Diane- thanks for all of your input too. I haven't studied it all yet but intend to do so soon. BTW- I found another intersting web site for Buck Co., PA. Lots of information and well worth checking it out. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buckscounty/ I also saw something on eBay someone may be intersted in. A book about Texas Panhandle History/Genealogy called Cowman's Country- 50 Frontier Ranches in the Texas Panhandle 1876-1887 It is listed as Rare and one of the notable biographies is for "GUDGELL". I imagine it has to do with the GUDGELL/SIMPSON Hereford Lines. Sorry, I forgot to write the eBay number down but you can do a search for GUDGEL and it will come up. Auction ends 10/19 and last night it was at $49.99. I'd love to have it but I don't want to give that much for it....unless I know more about the information it contains. I'm a tightwad I guess : ) More later, Linda From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 14 10:43:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA12722; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:42:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:42:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: bgudgel owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:42:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Don Looking for Arthur and Laura Gudgel info Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LrtEb.0.e63.4i9wv"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1536 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com We have a newcomer to the list. I've remailed Don's email here. I'll take a search of the archives, but someone here might know something more about Arthur and Laura Gudgel from Owensville IN. Welcome Don! Bob Gudgel EVerett WA >From boilers@gibsoncounty.net Sat Oct 14 10:36:25 2000 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:56:02 -0700 From: Don Denning To: bgudgel@eskimo.com Subject: Gudgel My mother's maden name was Ruth Gudgel. Her parents were Arthur and Laura Gugdel of Owensville, Indiana. The family has lived in Owensville for a number of generations. Please send any information that you have on them. I will have my mother supply additional information. Thank you, Don Denning 202 W. Brummitt St. Owensville, IN. 47665 drdenning@hotmail.com From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: DON DENNING's SEARCH Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:21:51 -0400 Welcome to Don Denning! I believe I have some information on your family. You must be the son of Ruth J. GUDGEL (b. 1926) and Ray DENNING. Your line is descended from the youngest son of our old Andrew GUDGEL, William GUDGEL. Your line of descent is as follows: William GUDGEL b. February 11, 1801 Fayette Co., KY (later Woodford Co.); d. January 22, 1877 Gibson Co., IN-bur. in Gudgel Cemetery on the old family farm in Gibson Co. Married February 12, 1824 Gibson Co., IN to Lucinda "Lucy " THURMAN. Lucinda is also buried in the GUDGEL Cemetery mentioned above. Abraham M. GUDGEL b. abt. 1844 IN; d. January 29, 1910. Married Ekizabeth WEED (1851-1915). I will mention their children as it may remind you of some familiar names in your line: Joseph; Louella b. 1869; William Lenas b. 1874; Perry Morton b. 1876; Arthut T. b. 1878; Della b. 1881; Rebecca b. 1885; Roy b. 1887; Homer b. 1888; Kathryn b. 1890. Arthur T. GUDGEL b. 1878 Gibson Co., IN, d. January 1961 and Lurah F. EPPERSON (1896-1986). Children: Robert, Ruth and Dorothy. (These must have been your grandparents; and their daughter, Ruth, was your mother). (Note: I see you said Laura instead of Lurah-so let me know if my information is in error. I have more information I can send later but I am leaving town in the morning for the mountains of Tennessee and a few days of "R & R". There are others on the list who are descended from the same line that I am sure would be happy to help you out if you just ask. They are a great bunch of folks, friendly and most helpful..... .....and it surely comes from those GUDGEL genes! >From your address I see you live in Owensville, Gibson Co., IN! You are so close to make a visit to the cemetery yourself if you haven't been there already. Maybe we should nominate you to have a big GUDGEL reunion next year and we could all come visit : ) Hope this info. helps guide you in your search. I am sure you have more recent data and could also fill in some gaps for me too. Happy Hunting, Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY From vgudgell@whidbey.net Sat Oct 14 19:07:50 2000 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:08:14 -0700 From: Vivian Gudgell To: Vivian Gudgell , Subject: Fw: Re Gause family Hi I sent this message to myself for a trial run to see if the addresses worked. The one for the Hollingsworth line didn't, I haven't figured out why it did not. I'll work on it. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Vivian Gudgell To: Vivian Gudgell Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 1:49 PM Subject: Re Gause family Hi Gudgel cousins: Since Mia's research on the Gause family this week, I have been searching the internet for the Charles Gause line. Maybe you all have already found these sites, but they are new to me. Please correct whenever needed. On a Gause Surname History site www.gause.00family.com I found a family tree that goes back to 1538 to a Fabien Gos and Michelle. From there it goes to Asa Gos, then Johne Gose and Ellene Andyson, then to Thomas Gose and Cristiane Strachene, then George Gosse, and then George Goss who is the father of George Charles Goss, who is the same charles goss, the father of Rachel who married Daniel Gudgel. The George, first name, was given in honor of the king and not used in everyday life. I didn't post all the dates for these ancestors, because you can get them from the web page more accurately than my typing. Then I found a forum posting from Michelle Terrell on Aug. 12, 1999 That said: Solomon Gause was the son of Charles Gause and Grace Dixon (daughter of Jonathan Dixon and Sarah Hollingsworth) Solomon's wife Ruth Dixon was his first cousin. Charles Gause's parents were Charles Goss, who came from Scotland in 1710 , and Jane Powell who was born in Wales. Michelle Terrell said that solomon Gause was her g-g-g-g-g-Grandfather. Her info sounded plausible, so I looked up the Hollingsworth lineage and found where the Hollingsworth and Dixon lines crossed several times, so it could very well be that there were marriages between cousins. The web site for the Hollingsworth family is www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/1225/hollings The Sarah Hollingsworth, mentioned as the mother-in-law of Charles Gause, is a descendent of the Abraham line of Hollingsworths. And there is a Hannah Hollingsworth of the Valentine Hollingsworth line , who also married a William Dixon. She had a sister, Sarah, who married a Harlan.. On the Dixon family page, I found a Ruth Dixon , daughter of Thomas Dixon who is the brother of John Dixon. The same John Dixon who was the husband of Sarah Hollingsworth and father of Grace Dixon, according to Michelle Terrell. Everything fits together except in all my research, I did not find 'Grace Dixon' mentioned anywhere. In Mia's Monthly Meeting research it says that Charles Goss and Grace Dixon (2nd time) appeared at the meeting. I found that the Quakers required that a couple appear at two meetings prior to receiving a Marriage Certificate. So I believe Charles Goss/Gause and Grace Dixon were married around the meeting date of 1753. I didn't clear up much on Daniel and Andrew, however. Hope you can follow this meandering trail of mine. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell 1 360 387 0815 From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 14 19:18:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA15271; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:17:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:17:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: bgudgel owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Reply-To: Bob Gudgel To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: forwarded mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EoLif2.0.Yk3.sEHwv"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1540 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Here's a forwarded email from R. Gudgel. What does the R. Stand for and where you? Please check the return address and if it should go to the mail list, go ahead and change who it's "to" field field to gudgel-list@eskimo.com Thanks, Bob >From Trag24@webtv.net Sat Oct 14 19:08:26 2000 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:07:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "R. Gudge" To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: Don Looking for Arthur and Laura Gudgel info What do you want to know? My mothe's name was Lurah F. Gudgel instead of Laura. Don is my nephew and just lives 2 mile from me. His mother should be able to tell him what ever he wants to know. R. G. Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:14:32 -0400 From: Juanita Diorio Subject: New Member Introduction Hello Cousins! I am delighted to be a part of the Gudgel-list gang. I am very impressed by the careful data gathering and the generous sharing of the group! I am also astounded by the number of us out there. Busy ancestors, weren't they? I'll introduce myself -- I am Juanita Jo (Gudgel) Diorio. All of my ancestors on all sides are from Gibson County, Indiana. I've been into genealogy for some years and have been expanding information handed down to me by my mother and grandmother. My parents moved to Dayton, Ohio before I was born, but we moved back to Gibson County for a few years when I was young. I have very warm feelings for the area and enjoy visiting my cousins. I'll try to list my Direct Descendant line down from Frederick Gotshall, and hope the e-mail formatting leaves it somewhat intelligible. 1. Frederick GOTSHALL b. Abt. 1701 in Palatine, Germany d. Abt. 1748 in Bucks County, PA. +Anne Mary ? b. Abt. 1705 in Palatine, Germany d. Aft. 1754 in Pennsylvania 2. Andrew GUDGEL b. 1727 in Palatine, Germany d. 16 August 1815 in Owensville, Gibson, Indiana +Elizabeth Paul PAYNE b. October 1763 in Woodford County, Kentucky m. 04 October 1793 in Woodford County, Ky d. 02 December 1823 in Owensville, Gibson, Indiana 3. William GUDGEL b. 11 February 1801 in Woodford County, Kentucky d. 22 January 1877 in Owensville, Gibson, Indiana +Lucinda THURMAN b. 12 December 1806 in Ohio m. 12 February 1824 d. 09 May 1887 in Owensville, Gibson, Indiana 4. Abraham GUDGEL b. 01 April 1844 in Owensville, Gibson, Indiana d. 29 January 1910 in Owensville, Gibson, Indiana +Anna Elizabeth WEED b. 17 November 1851 in Gibson County, Indiana m. 05 February 1868 d. 09 October 1915 in Owensville, Gibson, IN. 5. Ora Joseph GUDGEL b. 14 April 1898 in Owensville, Gibson, Indiana d. 01 November 1985 in Dayton, Montgomery, Ohio +Ada Marilla KING b. 19 October 1894 in Princeton (Carithers Hill), Gibson, Indiana m. 21 February 1921 d. 24 November 1986 in Dayton, Montgomery, Ohio 6. Juanita Jo GUDGEL b. 23 November 1931 in Dayton, Montgomery, Ohio +Joseph DIORIO b. 21 November 1932 in Dayton, Montgomery, Ohio m. 14 June 1958 in Dayton, Montgomery, Ohio Thanks for the help all of you are offering to make the information as accurate as possible. I look forward daily to see what's new in my e-mail. If you have any corrections to the above info, please feel free to let me know. I'll gladly share my data, but so far, it seems that for the most part, what I have is also what you already have. It's good to see that we agree! Another Cousin, Juanita Jo (Gudgel) Diorio 2628 Hazelwood Avenue Kettering, Oh 45419 jdiorio@voyager.net From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 17 16:56:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA22205; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:53:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:53:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: bgudgel owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Reply-To: Bob Gudgel To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Welcome Juanita and Scott&Cheryl Harrington web site Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LiuQB.0.lQ5.dPExv"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1542 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Welcome Juanita Jo! It's good to have you on the mail list. Also, I don't know how many here are familiar with Scott and Cheryl Harrington's very cool web site with lots of good pictures.. Here's a couple emails from them. Bob Gudgel Everett, WA >From scottcheryl@earthlink.net Tue Oct 17 10:37:51 2000 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 02:09:31 -0400 From: Scott & Cheryl Harrington To: bgudgel@eskimo.com Cc: lfinnell@lex.infi.net Subject: Gudgel Civil War Letter Dear Bob & Linda: I posted a picture of the civil war letter written by William Gudgel, my 2nd great-grandfather, on my site: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/r/Scott-W-Harrington/index.html When you are on that page, look under "Family Photos" and click on the "William Gudgel Civil War Letter" link. It is "password protected" which means you have to enter the following temporary name and password to view it: For name type in: ************ For password type in: ********* I set it up this way to prevent someone I don't know from making mass copies, forgeries,....etc.... I have also included a new picture of William Gudgel's headstone with his CSA marker and a picture of his brother's CSA headstone, Elijah, who was also in the civil war. Just thought the two of you might enjoy looking at the original letter. Bye, Scott Scott & Cheryl Harrington Visit our home page at: http://home.earthlink.net/~scottcheryl/ Bob, Thanks for putting a link on your Gudgel Site to my genealogy page. = You will have to sign my guestbook and put a link to your site. Here = is a link to my guestbook. You can also put a comment in the guestbook = about your Gudgel's and your home page. It might send you some new = viewers. http://home.earthlink.net/~scottcheryl/wsnFDF5.html The only item I have "password protected" is the civil war letter. You = can give folks in your association the name and password so they can = also view it. They will remain the same until I change them. Down the = road, when I do change the password, just email me an I will be sure to = give you and the rest of the Gudgel Family the password. This week I will be posting an original 1899 marriage certificate = between Walker Dix Williams and Maud Gudgel, daughter of William Gudgel = (my civil war ancestor). The certificate is plain looking, however, it = is always nice to see something survive a hundred years. Walker and = Maud are my great-grandparents. Also, I will be posting a picture of Maud Gudgel and her three sisters, = Sallie, Lavinia, and Lee. Talk to you later, Scott Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:04:23 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: Re:Indiana's new cemetery law Dear Cousins, My latest issue of the Gibson Co. (Ind) Historical Society's newsletter has an article on a new law--House Bill 1184, that amends Indiana code relating to burial grounds and cemeteries. The new law is known as Public Law 46-2000. Apparently there has been an increasing interest in protecting such grounds and this law was passed with such protection in mind. The law authorizes the Indiana Div. of Historic Preservation and Archaeology to conduct a program to survey and register Indiana cemeteries and burial grounds. The law also requires that the Indiana Dept. of Natural Resources to develop a plan for repairing or altering any structure for when development comes within 100 feet of such sites. The law requires that such sites be recorded in the recorder's office of each county. The state will maintain a database of all sites. In some cases the Div of Hist and Arch will make a field visit to the cemetery to record and locate information. The article goes on to say that the state asks the help of groups and individuals interested in preserving cemeteries and welcomes information that people have as the new duties for the state are immense. Can any of you closer to Gibson Co call the Ind Div of Hist and Archaeology or write them and tell them about the Gudgel cemetery on the old farm? Perhaps we could get some help in cleaning it up and identifying the number of graves as some stones may have been lost. So, how about it? Anyone out there have time to make a call? And how about seeing if the Gibson Co recorder's office knows of this new law and asking them to cooperate in getting the Gudgel cemetery on the database list if it isn't already there. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage X-Diagnostic: Mail to nteel@lightspeed.net bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: gudgel-list-request We're sorry, but OneMain.com's email system was unable to deliver your message to its intended recipient. Please check the email address and try again. This is an automated reply from OneMain.com's email management system. From: "Don Denning" To: dianeh@corecom.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Cc: drdenning@hotmail.com Subject: Re:Indiana's new cemetery law The old cemetery in on my uncle's farm and in my mom's back yard. I will check into it. Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:38:28 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Fw: Milton Interesting that the father provided for Lewis Gudgel. I assume he must have been disabled in some way? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:46:54 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: boilers@evansville.net CC: gudgel-list@eskimo.com, drdenning@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Indiana's new cemetery law Thanks Don. It looks like you have volunteered. I don't know where you are located but the very fact that the grave yard is so close to your mother's property makes it a natural for you to keep tabs on things. I would certainly like to know if perhaps there are other graves that have not been recognized due to deterioration. Does anyone know for sure when the headstone for Old Andrew was put in? We all figure the DAR did it fairly recently and we know they made a mistake by citing Andrew with service in the Rev War, but it would be nice to know when his and other stones were put in. I suspect in the early days headstones were quite expensive and the family could not afford them. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:11:17 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Fw: Milton Have you checked to see what the federal census schedule says at the far right of the page regarding Lewis? Often if there was a disability it was listed there. So if you haven't checked the censuses during his life, that is a very good and easy way to start looking for more clues. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: Re: Fw: Milton Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:12:48 -0700 To Dianne, We don't know just what Lewis' problem was, but Lois Miller said there is a wooden chain carved from a walnut bed post in the Historical Society in Princeton, Il. which was carved by Lewis Gudgell. Lois said it was very long, but she didn't think to measure it. Each link was about four inches long. Incidentally, you will notice that Gudgell is spelled with two 'L's in Milton's will. I presume that Mahlon, his father, spelled the name the same way. I am not being critical, just following the clues. I see that Lois Gudgell Miller is on the list now, so maybe she can answer some of these questions about the Mahlon-Milton line. Vivian From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:00:30 EDT Subject: Andrew Gudgel's Fayette Co., PA land Hello all, While my brother and I were on our little jaunt we spent one day at the Pennsylvania State Archives. My main purpose for going there was to get a copy of everything pertaining to the purchase of the Gudgel land in Fayette County, PA. We have shared much of this in pieces on the list but I wanted to see it all together. The "first purchase" land records of PA are all on microfilm at the State Archives in Harrisburg. They also have numerous county records on microfilm but I wasn't able to spend much time in that area. I did get copies of all 5 parts of the original land records for Andrew Gudgel's purchase of "Peaceable" in Luzerne Twp. Fayette County, PA. I have transcribed them below along with the citation to the microfilm roll they are on. I also put in the definitions of the various parts although I still think it is confusing. A warrant is suppose to authorize the survey but in this case the survey and return are dated prior to the warrant...Are any of you out there realtors that could explain this? My brother also purchased a township map (very large) showing all of the original patentees of the township. If anyone wants copies of any of this just let me know and I'll send it to you. Mia *************************** The Pennsylvania State Archives Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission 350 North Street Harrisburg, PA 17120-0090 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- APPLICATION - "a request for a warrant to have a survey made. It is recorded on a slip of paper which does not bear applicant's signature." Microfilm Roll 7.4 (New Purchase) No.3452 Andrew Gudgeon Applays for three Hundred Acres of Land Laying and Situate On Mononghahela within three miles of the mouth of Redstone Boarded one the East by Hans Coke on the Jofiah Crawford on the North by the River Monong.a on the South by Vacant Land.[sic] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WARRANT - " a certificate authorizing a survey of a tract of land; initiates title of a property and provides the basis for legal settlement, but does not convey all rights to the property." Microfilm Roll 3.59 Warrant No. 40 Luzerne Township, Fayette County June 9th, 1788 Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, ff WHEREAS by virtue and in Purfuance an Order on Application No.3452 entered the fourteenth Day of June, 1769 by Andrew GUDGEL there hath been furveyed a certain tract of land containing Three hundred & seventeen acres & a quarter and allowance of six % Cent for roads &c. Situated on Monongahela River, Luzerne Twp. the county of Fayette [Westmoreland has been crossed out]. ----------------o------------------- And the said Andrew GUDGEL hath paid the Purchase Money at the Rate of Five Pounds Sterling, per Hunderd Acres, with the Interest thereon due, agreeable to an Act of Affembly, paffed the ninth Day of April, 1781, entitled, "An Act for Eftablifhing a Land-Office," &c. and a Supplement thereto, paffed the twenty-fifth of June, then next following. THESE are heretofore to authorife and require you to accept the faid Survey into your Office, and to make Return thereof into the Office of the Secretary of the Land-Office, in Order for Confirmation, by Patent to the faid Andrew GUDGEL And for fo doing, this fhall be our Warrant. IN WITNESS whereof, the Honorable Peter Muhlenberg, Esquire, Prefident of the Supreme Executive Council, hath hereunto fet his Hand and caused the leffer Seal of the said Commonwealth to be affixed the ninth Day of June in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty-eight. John LUKENS, Efq. Surveyor General --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SURVEY - "a sketch of boundaries of tract of land with exact determination of total acreage." Microfilm Roll 6.171 Recorded in Book B4, page 94 No.3452 Westmoreland County Andrew Gudgel 317 1/4 Called Peaceable Ret. the 10th June 1788 reced of 9th Inst.-- to Accept & now Fayette Co. [includes sketch of the survey of land] Situated on the East Side of Monongahela River in the County of Westmoreland Surveyed the 6th day of June 1770 Pursuant to an Order of Survey No.3452 dated the 14th day of June 1769 now Fayette County, Town of Luzerne By Mofs McClian(?). Dept. To John Lukins Esq. S.G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RETURN OF SURVEY - "verbal description of property boundaries; wording is similar to that of a patent; It is an internal document sent from the Surveyor General to the Secretary of the Land Office." Microfilm Roll 5.22 June 10, 1788} 7422 Fayette Andw. Gudgel Ent. 317 1/4 Ac. Pat 10th June 1788 to said Gudgel------- Conn. £55.15. State of Pennsylvania Whereas in pursuance of an appl. no.3470* dated the 14th day of June 1769 I have caused to be surveyed on the 6th day of June 1770 unto Andrew Gudgel a certain tract of land called "Peaceable" Situate on the East side Monogahela River now Luzerne Township Fayette County. Now In pursuance of a warrant dated the 9th day of June 1788 requiring me to accept said Survey into my Office I make Return thereof into the Secretary's Office for Confirmation by Patent to ye said Andrew Gudgel I do hereby Certify that said land is bounded as follows viz--Beginning at a corner post of William Shearer's land thence by the same north twenty eight deg.s & an half East one hundred eleven perches to a Mulberry & South Sixty two deg.s & an half East one hundred & forty perches to a post, thence by land of Thomas Banfield South fifteen degrees & an half East two hundred & Sixty perches to a white oak thence by land of Thomas Gregg South fifty three degrees west one hundred & forty perches to a post in the line of Josiah Crawfords land thence by the same north twenty four degrees west three hundred & thirty perches to the place of beginning---Containing Three hundred & Seventeen acres & a quarter and allowances of Six Cent for Roads &c. Returned into the Secretary' Office the 10th day of June 1788.-- Jno. Lukens, S.G.-- *Note: This number is an error. It should read no.3452 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PATENT -" Final, official deed from the Commonwealth, which conveys clear title and all rights to the private owner." Microfilm Roll No. [I forgot to write this number down] Patent Book No.14, page 220 (Also Fayette Co., Pennsylvania, Book No. 1, page 104 - I think) The Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. To all who thefe Prefents fhall come, Greeting: KNOW YE that in confideration of the Sum of fifty five pounds fifteen shillings lawful mony paid by Andrew Gudgel unto the Receiver Generals Office of this Commonwealth there is granted by the faid Commonwealth unto the faid Andrew Gudgel a certain Tract of Land called, Peaceable fituate on the East side of Monongahela River in Luzerne Township Fayette County ---Beginning at a Corner propt of William Shearers Lands, thence by the same North twenty eight degrees and a half East one hundred and eleven perches to a Mulberry and forth sixty two degrees and a half East one hundred and forty perches to a poft thence by land of Thomas Banfields South fifteen degrees and an Half East Two hundred and fixty perches to a white oak, thence by Land of Thomas Gregg South fifty three degrees West one hundred and forty perches to a poft in the line of Josiah Crawfords Land, thence by the same North twenty four degrees West three hundred and thirty perches to the place of beginning, containing Three hundred and feventeen acres and a quarter and allowance of 6 per cent for Roads, &c. with Appurtenances [which faid Tract was furveyed in purfuance of application no. 3470 entered the 14th June 1769 by the said Andrew Gudgel for whom a warrant of acceptance issued the 9th June Instant. To have and to hold the faid Tract or Parcel of Land with the Appurtenances, unto the faid Andrew Gudgel and his Heirs to the ufe of him the faid Andrew Gudgel his Heirs and Affigns for ever free and clear of all reftriction and refervations as to mines, Royalties, Quit- Rents or otherwife, excepting and referving only the fifth part of all Gold and Silver Ore for the ufe of this Commonwealth, to be delivered at the Pitt's mouth clear of all Charges. IN WITNESS whereof the Honorable Peter Muhlenberg, Efq: Vice President of the Supreme Executive Council hath hereto fet his Hand and caufed the State Seal to be hereto affixed in Council the tenth day of June in the Year of our Lord one thoufand feven hundred and eighty-eight, and of the Commonwalth the twelfth. Atteft. Chas. Biddle fect. Enrolled 11th June 1788 P. Muhlenberg {Seal} ******************************************************* From vgudgell@whidbey.net Sat Oct 21 18:56:08 2000 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:48:31 -0700 From: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Fw: Milton again ----- Original Message ----- From: Vivian Gudgell To: Bob Gudgel Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Milton Here is a copy of Milton Gudgell's Last will and Testament. Milton is a son of Mahlon, son of Daniel. This was given to me by Lois Gudgell Miller, my husband's sister. She does all the research in Illinois, like visiting the courthouses, cemeteries, li braries and family records. Know all men by these presents: That I, MILTON GUDGELL, of Mineral Township, in Bureau county, Illinois, being of sound mind and memory and mindful of the uncertainty of human life, do make, ordain, publish and declare this as and to be my las t will and testament, that is to say:------------------------ FIRST: It is my will, that all my just debts and my funeral expenses shall first be paid, as soon as practicable after my decease, out of any funds of my estate. SECOND: I give and bequeath unto my son, Charles T. Gudgell, as Trustee, and in trust, for the use and benefit and the support and maintenance of my son Lewis C. Gudgell, for and during his natural life, as hereinafter stated and set forth, the sum o f Four Thousand ($4000.00) Dollars, The same to be in full of the share of and interest of my son Lewis C. Gudgell in and out of my estate; and it is my will, that said sum of money shall be paid to my said son Charles T. Gudgell, as such Trustee, by m y Executor hereinafter named, as soon as shall be practicable after my decease, out of any available funds of my estate; and it is my will, that my said son Charles T. Gudgell, as such trustee, shall invest the said sum of money, and keep the same investe d, in good and safe interest bearing securities that will produce as large an income as possible, consistent with the safety of said principal amount, during the natural life of my said son Lewis C. Gudgell, and that said Trustee shall use and apply the i ncome that shall be derived therefrom for the support and maintenance and the use and benefit of my said son Lewis C. Gudgell during his natural life, in such manner as said Trustee shall deem to be for the best interests of said Lewis C. Gudgell, and if at any time the said income shall be or become insufficient to pay the cost and expense of the proper support and maintenance of said Lewis C. Gudgell, the said Trustee shall have, and he is hereby given the power to use, in addition to said in-( a full line is unreadable here) ; and it is further my will that after the death of my son Lewis C Gudgell, said Trustee shall divide and distribute the said sum of four thousand ($4000.00) dollars, or so much thereof as shall then be remaining, among my six (6) other children, viz: Albert L. Gudgell, Oliver P. Gudgell/Charles T. Gudgell/ Josephine Spencer, Caroline Sprague, and This is the end of first page. Page two continues: Annie B. Johnson, in equal shares between them, share and share alike, or, if any one or more of my said six (6) children shall then be deceased, then, and in that case, the respective share or shares of such deceased child or children of mine in said a bove mentioned sum of money shall go and be distributed to the legal heirs of such deceased child or children of mine, respectively, per stirpes .--------------------------------------------THIRD: I give and bequeath unto my son Albert L. Gudgell the sum of one Thousand Dollars, to be paid to him by my Executor hereinafter named as soon as shall be practicable after my decease, out of any available funds of my estate.-------------------------FOURTH; I give and bequeath unto my son Oliver P. Gudgell the sum of One Thousand Dollars, to be paid to him by my Executor hereinafter named as soon as shall be practicable after my decease, out of any available funds of my estate.------------------------- FIFTH: I give and bequeath unto my daughter Josephine Spencer the sum of Nine Hundred and Seventy-five Dollars, to be paid to her by my Executor hereinafter named as soon as practicable after my decease, out of any available funds of my estate; and I h ereby state, that I have heretofore advanced to her Twenty-five Dollars to apply on her share of my estate, which, with the above bequest makes One Thousand Dollars, the amount of each of the specific legacies given my two sons above named.-------------- ------------------- SIXTH: I give and bequeath unto my daughter Caroline Sprague the sum of One Thousand Dollars, to be paid to her by my Executor hereinafter named as soon as shall be practicable after my decease, out of any available funds of my estate.----------------- -------- SEVENTH: I give and bequeath unto my daughter Annie B. Johnson the sum of Seven Hundred and Fifty Dollars, to be paid to her by my Executor hereinafter named as soon as shall be practicable after my decease, out of any available funds of my estate; and I hereby state, that I have heretofore advanced to her Two Hundred and Fifty Dollars to apply on her share of my estate, which, with the above bequest makes One Thousand Dollars, and equals each of the legacies to my two sons above named.---------------- ---------------------- EIGHTH: I hereby state, that I have heretofore advanced to my son Charles T. Gudgell the sum of One Thousand Dollars to apply on his share of my This is the end of page two of Milton's will. Vivian Gudgell From vgudgell@whidbey.net Sat Oct 21 18:52:35 2000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:07:32 -0700 From: Vivian Gudgell To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Page three of Milton's will This begins page three of Milton Gudgell's will. estate, and hence, I give him no specific legacy in and by this my last will and testament; it being my intention, at this time, to make all of my children, (excepting the said Lewis C, Gudgell), equal, that is, that with what I have heretofore advanc ed to some of them and what I hereby give and bequeath in specific legacies each of them will have had and get One Thousand dollars out of my estate.----------------------- NINTH: All the rest, residue and remainder of my estate, real and personal, of every nature, kind and description whatever, and wherever located or situated, I do hereby give, devise and bequeath unto my six (6) children, viz, Albert L. Gudgell, Oliver P. Gudgell, Charles T. Gudgell, Josephine Spencer, Caroline Sprague, and Annie B. Johnson, in equal shares between them, share and share alike,; subject, however, to the payment of all the specific legacies, and each and every one of them, hereinabove gi ven and bequeathed, including that to my said son Charles T. Gudgell a Trustee for the use and benefit and support and maintenance of my son Lewis C. Gudgell; and all which said specific legacies I do hereby make and declare to be liens and charges upon a ll the real estate, lands and premises of which I shall die seized and possessed, in case my personal estate shall not be sufficient for the payment of the same.------ TENTH: I do hereby nominate, constitute and appoint my son Charles T. Gudgell as and to be the sole Executor of this my last will and testament. And I do hereby authorize and empower my said Executor to sell and convey, without the order of any court, a sufficient amount of the real estate, lands and premises of which I may die seized and possessed, (without regard to the location thereof, whether it be in the state of Illinois or in any other state or states), to pay all of my just debts and funeral expenses, and the costs and expenses of the settlement of my estate, and all the said specific legacies hereinabove provided for as stated in the Ninth clause of this my last will and testament, after first applying thereto all of the personal assets o f my estate. And if it shall be necessary, in order to make an advantageous sale, or sales, to sell somewhat more real estate than shall be necessary to produce the amount of money required for the purpose aforesaid, my said Executor is hereby authorize d and empowered so to do, and to convey all that shall be so sold, using his best judgment This ends page three of Milton Gudgell's will Page four of Milton Gudgell's will and discretion in the matter to promote the interests of my estate. And it is further my will, that, if my said Executor shall deem it for the best interests of my estate to sell and convey all the real estate,lands and premises of which I shall die seized and possessed and distribute the proceeds thereof, in accordance with the provisions of this will, he is hereby authorized and empowered so to do. all sales of real estate hereunder may be at public or at private sale, in the discretion and judgme nt of my said Executor, as he may deem for the best interests of my estate. And I do hereby revoke any and all former will or wills by me, at any time, made.---- In witness whereof, I hereunto set my hand and seal, this 27th day of March, 1908. ( Signed ) Milton Gudgell (Seal) The above and foregoing typewritten instrument was subscribed by the said Milton Gudgell in our presence, and acknowledged by him to each of us; and he, at the same time, published and declared the said instrument, by him subscribed, as and to be his last will and testament; and we, at the request of said testator, and in his presence, and in the presence of each other, have hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses thereto and thereof, our residences being written opposite our names. (signed) Charles W. Boyden Sheffield, Illinois (signed) Albert W. Boyden, Jr. Sheffield, Illinois From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Linda's home Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:36:42 -0400 Hi Folks- Vacation is over and I am back home. Got a lot of email to catch up on. Did I miss anything? The mountains of Tennessee are absolutely a blaze of color this week. We couldn't have picked a better time to go. Beautiful weather and we stayed on the outskirts of Pigeon Forge in a house right up near the top. My two brothers and spouses, Sam GUDGEL (Leominster, MA), and Windy GUDGEL (Ortona, FL) met us there and we stayed 5 days. More like a reunion I guess and we had a great time. Did lots of shopping and fun things. Just wanted you to know I'm back. More later, Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linda's Back... Bob's Gone... Good to hear you had a good time, Linda. I'm gone for a week so you guys hold down the fort! Going to a wind power workshop on Lopez Island in the San Juans here in Washington til saturday. Later, Bob From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: test Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:24:57 -0700 Hi Cousins I have been having trouble sending Milton's will to the archives without it running off the page. So this is just a test to see if I have corrected the problem. If it still goes off the page, I would like some help from someone out there. Sorry I had to repeat the Milton will so many times. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Milton's will again Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:21:13 -0700 Here is Milton Gudgell's will again. Hopefully, it will be easier to = read this time. ( Milton, son of Mahlon, son of Daniel) KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS: That I, MILTON GUDGELL, of = Mineral Township, in Bureau County, Illinois, being of sound mind and = memory and being mindful of the uncertainty of human life, do make, = ordain, publish and declare this as and to be my last will and = testament, that is to = say:--------------------------------------------------------- FIRST: It is my will, that all my just debts and my funeral expenses = shall first be paid, as soon as practicable after my decease, out of any = funds of my estate. SECOND: I give and bequeath unto my son, Charles T. Gudgell, as = Trustee, and in trust, for the use and benefit and the support of and = maintenance of my son Lewis C. Gudgell, for and during his natural life, = as hereinafter stated and set forth, the sum of Four Thousand ($4000.00) = Dollars, the same to be in full of the share and interest of my said son = Lewis C. Gudgell in and out of my estate; and it is my will, that said = sum of money shall be paid to my said son Charles T. Gudgell, as such = Trustee, by my Executor hereinafter named, as soon as shall be = practicable after my decease, out of any available funds of my estate; = and it is my will, that my said son Charles T. Gudgell, as such = Trustee, shall invest the said sum of money, and keep the same invested, = in good and safe interest bearing securities that will produce as large = an income as possible, consistent with the safety of said principal = amount, during the natural life of my said son Lewis C. Gudgell, and = that said Trustee shall use and apply the income that shall be derived = therefrom for the support and use and maintenance and the use and = benefit of my said son Lewis C. Gudgell during his natural life, in such = manner as said Trustee shall deem to be for the best interests of said = Lewis C. Gudgell, and if at any time the said income shall be or become = insufficient to pay the cost and expense of the proper support and = maintenance of said Lewis C. Gudgell, the said Trustee shall have, and = he is hereby given the power to use, in addition to said in-( a full = line of text is not readable here) and it is further my will that = after the death of my said son Lewis C. Gudgell, said Trustee shall = divide and distribute the said sum of Four Thousand ($4000.00) Dollars, = or so much thereof as shall then be remaining, among my Six (6) other = children, viz: Albert L. Gudgell, Oliver P. Gudgell, /Charles T. = Gudgell,/ Josephine Spencer, Caroline Sprague, and............ Page two continues: Annie B. Johnson, in equal shares between them, share and share alike, = or, if any one or more of my said Six (6) children shall then be = deceased , then, and in that case, the respective share or shares of = such deceased child or children of mine in said above mentioned sum of = money shall go and be distributed to the legal heirs of such deceased = child or children of mine, respectively, per stirpes. THIRD: I give and bequeath unto my son Albert L. Gudgell the sum of One = Thousand Dollars, to be paid to him by my Executor hereinafter named as = soon as shall be practicable after my decease, out of any available = funds of my = estate.---------------------------------------------------------- FOURTH: I give and bequeath unto my son Oliver P. Gudgell the sum of = One Thousand Dollars, to be paid to him by my Executor hereinafter named = as soon as shall be practicable after my decease, out of any available = funds of my = estate.------------------------------------------------------------- FIFTH: I give and bequeath unto my daughter Josephine Spencer the sum = of Nine Hundred and Seventy-fives Dollars, to be paid to her by my = Executor hereinafter named as soon as shall be practicable after my = decease, out of any available funds of my estate; and I hereby state, = that I have heretofore advanced to her Twenty-five Dollars to apply on = her share of my estate, which, with the above bequest makes One Thousand = Dollars, the amount of each of the specific legacies given my two sons = above named. = ------------------------------------------------------------ SIXTH: I give and bequeath unto my daughter Caroline Sprague the sum of = One Thousand Dollars, to be paid to her by my Executor hereinafter named = as soon as shall be practicable after my decease, out of any available = funds of my estate.-------------------------------------------------- SEVENTH: I give and bequeath unto my daughter Annie B. Johnson the sum = of Seven Hundred and Fifty Dollars, to be paid to her by my Executor = hereinafter named as soon as shall be practicable after my decease, out = of any available funds of my estate; and I hereby state, that I have = heretofore advanced to her Two Hundred and Fifty Dollars to apply on her = share of my estate, which, with the above bequest makes One Thousand = Dollars, and equals each of the legacies to my two sons above = named.-------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ EIGHTH: I hereby state, that I have heretofore advanced to my son = Charles T. Gudgell the sum of One Thousand Dollars to apply on his share = of my............. Page three continues in next posting Vivian Gudgell Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Milton' will continued Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:38:12 -0700 Here is the rest of Milton Gudgell's will. I don't know why the first part was repeated again in the routing procedure Vvian Page three continues. estate, and hence, I give him no specific legacy in and by this my last will and testament; it being my intention at this time, to make all of my children, (excepting the said Lewis C. Gudgell), equal, that is, that with what I have heretofore advanced to some of them and what I hereby give and bequeath in specific legacies each of them will have had and get One Thousand Dollars out of my state.----------------------------------------------- NINTH: All the rest, residue and remainder of my estate, real and personal, of every nature, kind and description whatever, and wherever located or situated, I do hereby give, devise and bequeath unto my Six (6) children, viz, Albert L. Gudgell, Oliver P. Gudgell, Charles T. Gudgell, Josephine Spencer Caroline Sprague, and Annie B. Johnson, in equal shares between them, share and share alike; subject, however, to the payment of all the specific legacies, and each and every of them, heretofore given and bequeathed, including that to my said son Charles T. Gudgell as Trustee for the use and benefit and support and maintenance of my said son Lewis C. Gudgell; and all which said specific legacies I do hereby make and declare to be liens and charges upon all the real estate, lands and premises of which I shall die seized and possessed, in case my personal estate shall not be sufficient for the payment of the same.------------------------------------------------------------ - TENTH: I do hereby nominate, constitute and appoint my said son Charles T. Gudgell as and to be the sole Executor of this my last will and testament. And I do hereby authorize and empower my said Executor to sell and convey, without the order of any court, a sufficient amount of the real estate. lands and premises of which I may die seized and possessed, (without regard to the location thereof, whether it be in the state of Illinois or in any other state or states), to pay all of my just debts and funeral expenses, and the costs and expenses of the settlement of my estate, and all the said specific legacies hereinabove provided for as stated in the Ninth clause of this my last will and testament, after first applying thereto all of the personal assets of my estate. And if it shall be necessary, in order to make an advantageous sale, or sales, to sell somewhat more real estate than shall be necessary to produce the amount of money required for the purposes aforesaid, my said Executor is hereby authorized and empowered so to do, and convey all that hall be so sold, using his best judgment............ Page four continues. and discretion in the matter to promote the interests of my estate. And it is further my will, that, if my said Executor shall deem it for the best interests of my estate to sell and convey all the real estate, lands and premises of which I shall die seized and possessed and distribute the proceeds thereof, in accordance with the provisions of this will, he is hereby authorized and empowered so to do. All sales of real estate hereunder may be at public or at private sale, in the discretion and judgment of my said Executor, as he may deem for the best interests of my estate, and I do hereby revoke any and all former will or wills by me, at any time, made. In witness whereof, I hereunto set my hand and seal, this 27th day of March, 1908. (signed) Milton Gudgell (seal) The above and foregoing typewritten instrument was subscribed by the said Milton Gudgell in our presence, and acknowledged by him to each of us; and he, at the same time, published and declared the said instrument, by him subscribed, as and to be his last will and testament; and we, at the request of said testator, and in his presence, and in the presence of each other, have hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses thereto and whereof, our residences being written opposite our names. (Signed) Charles W. Boyden Sheffield, Illinois (Signed ) Albert W. Boyden,Jr, Sheffield, Illinois Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Gudgel Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:45:14 -0500 Here's the second contact. I have responded to her as well. Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mary Jane Blake=20 To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:52 AM Subject: Gudgel Frederick, Andrew, John(PA) b 1776, Jane m Andrew Blake 1839. Above (1st) Andrew after Frederick. Andrew b 1760 die 1792 Bath Co., KY I have lots more , hope you need it , just email. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Indiana Gudgels Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:42:59 -0500 Hi Folks- I am forwarding a couple of new contacts I have made. I have responded to them and hope they will join our mail list. Hope everyone if doin' okay. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: Indiana Gudgels > Linda, I'm currently researching my wife's family. Her GGrandmother on her > dad's side was Evelyn Susan Gudgel, daughter of William Henry Gudgel and > Esther Potts. Do you have any info on this side of the Gudgel family? I've > run out of leads on Esther Potts except that her father was J.G. Potts and > they were from Vanderburgh County. William Henry Gudgel is suppose to be the > son of Andrew Gudgel and Elvira Wallace. Any help is with either the Potts > and/or the gudgels is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Hugh Robinson > Hampton, VA From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Great web site Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:48:08 -0500 I found this website just by accident. A great source for finding social security information for any state. Just enter the surname. Also a searchable database for those who fought in the War of 1812. Several GUDGEL's listed. Go to: http://www.sierrahome.com/familytree/records/ Linda Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:07:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Fw: Gudgel Hi Linda, I am especially interested in this new researcher as I also descend from John (PA). I have a lot of information on his descendants that I have as yet to share with the list. Do you know Mary Jane's email address? Thanks, Mia On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Here's the second contact. I have responded to her as well. > Linda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Jane Blake > To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:52 AM > Subject: Gudgel > > > Frederick, Andrew, John(PA) b 1776, Jane m Andrew Blake 1839. > Above (1st) Andrew after Frederick. Andrew b 1760 die 1792 Bath Co., KY > I have lots more , hope you need it , just email. > From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re Stucker,Willis1789 Ky Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:32:01 -0800 Re: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky cousins: While researching Daniel through = his daughters' husbands I found this on the Stucker forum. Notice the = Jane Gottschall and the Lydia Childers , 1st and 2nd wives of Henry. = Daniel's daughter Lydia married a Henry Stucker and Andrew Sr. = daughter, Sarah, married a Jacob Stucker. Can you tie this message into = our family lines? I find it interesting. Looks to me like someone = mixed up the last names of Henry's wives. Jump to Forum Home: Surnames: Stucker Family Genealogy Forum=20 Re: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky=20 Posted by: Ron Stocker Date: June 01, 2000 at 08:11:12=20 In Reply to: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky by Edith Hodge of 93 =20 Edith- WILLIS STUCKER, SR. (5) was born in Kentucky in about 1789, the = son of (4)HENRY STUCKER (b. 1766 probably in Berks County, Pa.) and his = first wife, JANE GOTTSCHALL. By about 1772, Henry's father, (2)GEORGE = STUCKER (b. 1733 in Berks County), and his uncle, (3)JACOB STUCKER (b. = 1738 in Berks County), had moved their families to North Carolina, very = near Old Salem. Five or six years later, George(2) and Jacob (3) moved = their families to Kentucky, as part of a group of settlers led from = North Carolina through the Cumberland Gap. George(2) and Jacob(3) were = two of seven sons of (1)MICHAEL STOCKER (1700-1750), the original = Palatine immigrant for this branch. In 1780, when Henry(4) was about 14 years old, his father(2) and = Uncle Jake(3) were both killed by the Indians in Woodford County, = Kentucky. In 1788, he married Jane Gottschall. It would appear from my = records that they only had one child, to wit: Willis Stucker, Sr.(5). In = 1796, Henry(4) married for the second time to LYDIA CHILDERS. She bore = him ten (10) more children. It appears that Henry's first five (5) = children were all born in Woodford County between 1789 and 1804. The = youngest six (6) were all born in Jefferson County, Indiana. Ergo, it = seems logical to conclude that Henry(4) and Lydia moved their family = from Kentucky to Indiana between 1805 and 1808. Willis Stucker, Sr. (5) married MARGARET (Greta) STORM on = 12/29/1808 in Clark County, Indiana. Greta was born about 1787. My = records indicate that Willis and Greta had six (6) children, including = sons WILLIS STUCKER, JR. (6), ANDREW JACKSON STUCKER (7) and JACOB S. = STUCKER (8). Those boys were born in Jefferson County, Indiana, in 1815, = 1816, and 1828, respectively. Willis, Jr. (6) got married in Jefferson = County in 1838. So, apparently, the family was still in Indiana at that = time. Greta Storm Stucker died in Stonefort, Illinois on 8/6/1854. Her = husband [Willis, Sr. (5)] died there eleven years later. In between = there, in 1861, Willis, Jr.(6) died in Schuyler, Illinois. I can only = assume that this branch of the Stucker clan moved from Indiana to = Illinois between 1838 and 1854. Jacob (8) married MELITHA WILLIS. I have no date or place of that = marriage. I have two sons for them, to wit: SAMUEL T. STUCKER (9) and = ROBERT E. STOCKER (10). I have no dates of birth for either of them. Am = I correct in assuming that Samuel(9) is your great-grandfather? We have a family site at MyFamily for all descendants of Michael = Stocker. You most certainly qualify for membership! We have, at least, = three cousins who are descended from Willis, Sr. (5). Phyllis claims = Andrew Jackson(7) as hers, while brothers, Phil and David Stucker, = descend from Robert E. (10). Their grandfather, JESSE S. STUCKER (12) = would be a first cousin to your grandfather, ROY STUCKER (11). Your = mother, BESSIE M. STUCKER (13), and their father, JESSE S. STUCKER, JR. = (14), would be second cousins. So, I guess that makes you a third cousin = to Phil and David. If you would like to join us, write to me at = "lawyer1@bright.net" and I will send you an invitation, which is the = only way to access the site. I look forward to hearing from you. Ron Stocker Bucyrus, Ohio Followups: a.. Re: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky Phillip Stucker 9/07/00=20 b.. Re: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky Bobby Hatfield 7/28/00=20 a.. Re: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky Phillip Stucker 9/07/00=20 b.. Re: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky Nancy 7/29/00=20 a.. Re: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky Bobby Hatfield 8/02/00=20 a.. Re: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky Phillip Stucker 9/07/00=20 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:36:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gugel (without the D) Well, I was trying to email something to my son last week and accidently sent it to pgugel instead of pgudgel. It came back from a Peter Gugel just telling me his name. I didn't notice until a few minutes ago that it wasn't a mispelling. I've emailed him back again to see if he knows anything about the history of Gugel. Has anyone seen this spelling or mispelling of Gudgel? I did an altavista search and there are about 3000 results... some from Germany. Anything on this? boB GuDgel (notice how my first name appears to be mispelled) From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gugel Surname Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:45:31 -0500 b0B- I have seen the name spelled that way also but not often. I've also seen Gugil but it was usually in a census record and was meant to be Gudgel. I wonder how many ways this name an be spelled? Makes it a nightmare for researchers! Linda Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:39:27 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: Gugel (without the D) Yes, I have run into this name before but it doesn't belong to our family group. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:53:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Ardath Potts Hi everyone, I know that many of you have corresponded with Ardath Potts on the Gudgel line in the past. Ardath and I corresponded regularly for years but recently have just been exchanging Christmas cards. Anyway,I wanted to touch base with her so I called her the last week in September and we had a wonderful chat. I caught her up to date on the gudgel-list and encouraged her to read up on all of our research. I am forwarding her note to me below. Mia ---------- Forwardedmessage ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:21:45 -0500 (CDT) From: John & Ardath Potts Subject: bgudgel etc. To: mkfleege@mailbox.syr.edu Mia, I was able to get into the website and read a bit of the information. I'll spend the next several months trying to catch up on all of it! It was great to hear from you. Thanks so much. Ardath ARDATH AND JOHN POTTS Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 06:41:14 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Ardath Potts Thanks Mia for trying to get Ardath to become part of the Gudgel genealogy group again. I know she is busy with other lines, but it would be good to have her on board as she has done a lot of research in the past. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: John and Ardath Potts email Got this email today and think it is to go to the mail list. Here it is! Bob >From gus109@webtv.net Wed Nov 1 17:18:50 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:45:24 -0600 (CST) From: John & Ardath Potts To: Bob Gudgel Cc: gus109@webtv.net Subject: Re: Gugel (without the D) Hi everyone! I have just read Mia's letter and felt it was time I send a message. I do not have much to contribute at this time except to say that I have been following the site ever since she pointed it out to me. What a wealth of information has passed through these portals! My first contribution has to do with the name Gugel. I had a teacher in high school named Art Guegel. It was pronounced "Giggle". I feel that Gugel is more likely that name with the "e" dropped. The Guegel family in Quincy immigrated from Coblenz , Germany, and was here as early as the 1860 Census if not before. Knowing that the Gudgel name was actually Gottschalk, etc. seems probably to rule out at least the connection to the name Guegel and probably Gugel. I am having a cataract removed on November 13. So hopefully I can then catch up on all the information in the archives. My Gudgel line in a nutshell is in Pike and Adams Co. IL - Ardath Fleer Potts, Mabel Lewton Fleer, Jessie Gudgel Lewton, David Gudgel, Andrew Gudgel,and in the other states, John Gudgel, old Andrew Gudgel, and the ever challenging Frederick Gottschalk who comes from somewhere in the Rhein area of Germany. I have recently returned from three weeks in Germany gathering up immigrant books for our local German Village Society. My goal is to locate the birthplace of Andrew. Unfortunately, the books we have now are from other areas. My husband and I visited relatives in the Herford area of northern Germany and in the Kaiserstuhl area of southern Germany. These relatives were all located in the late '80s and early '90s because of the genealogy we did in the early '70s. Well, that's all for now. Ardath ARDATH AND JOHN POTTS From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: WELCOME TO ARDATH POTTS! Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:23:41 -0500 Ardath- I am so pleased to know you are a part of our list now! It has been a good number of years since we corresponded....actually I think it was before our computer days. I am glad to know you are focusing on the homeland of our Frederick GOTTSCHALK. Please tell us more about your visit and who these relatives were that you visited. Were they GOTTSCHALK's? Looking forward to hearing more from you. Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:35:25 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: John and Ardath Potts email Great to have you on-board and I am looking forward to the recent information you gained in Germany. I want to caution everyone that I think we should be careful about saying that Gudgel was actually Gotschalk before we understand the difference between Gotschalk and Gotshall. Gotshall appears very early in the records with folks attached directly to our line but I do not know if Gotschalk is the same. I know people did not have a common spelling in those days so it is hard to figure out if both are the same name or are actually different. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: gus109@webtv.net (John & Ardath Potts) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:04:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Gottschalk's, Gottshalls, etc. Hello again! Thank you for all of the welcomes that I have received. In response to the questions, we did not visit any relatives associated with the Gudgel line. These were associated with lines in which the immigrants came after 1853. When we were in Germany - both northwestern and southwestern - we would see delivery trucks with Gottshall or other spellings. The name was in phone directories spelled an assortment of ways in different parts of the country. It most certainly will be a difficult name to trace and the only information we have is the religious preference, Andrew's "circa" birthdate, and hopefully his father's full name and mother's first and middle names. I have an article about a Jakob Gottschalk who was the first bishop of the Mennonite Church in America. It says he that was born in Goch, Germany, and came to the settlement in Germantown PA about 1700, The name in parentheses was also Gaedschalk. I am waiting for a book which may give me an archives in that area (Kreis Kleve) . That is where the immigrant records would be for Goch. It seems to make sense that Andrew and his parents might have followed this particular migration and we know they came to PA. I've tried sending a letter to the Mennonite church in Goch with no specific address or even knowledge that it exists. Each time over a period of five years, the letters have been returned insufficient address. So now I'm going to try the archives. Well that's all I know for now. Do any of you have information on any of this? Ardath ARDATH AND JOHN POTTS From: "Vivian Gudgell" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:39:35 -0800 Subject: Unidentified subject! Ardith I'm new at this research stuff, so maybe this is not relevant. I have found a Jacob Godtschalk family on the internet who matches the one you mentioned. Jacob was born 1666 in Goch, Germany, died May 1763 Towamencin twp Montgomery Pa. Parents were Thunis gottschalk and Lehntger Henricks. Wife was Aeltien Symons Hermans (Rosanna). I have five children listed with birthdates starting in 1693,1696,1698 ,1700,1706. Here is a theory- - Could Frederick be one of Jacob's kids? The birthdate of abt.1701 fits into the string of birthdates. What do you think? Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:43:27 -0800 Oops! Ardath, I spelled your name wrong. Sorry about that. Researchers shouldn't do that, should they? Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re Jacob's Godtschalk Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:51:58 -0800 By the way, One of Jacob's children is Magdalene who married William Nash. William Nash is a witness on Frederick's will. Must be a close relationship there. Don't you think so? Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:00:37 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: John & Ardath Potts Subject: Re: Gottschalk's, Gottshalls, etc. I've looked into this Jacob Gotschalk many years ago and since he was an educated man and for other reasons, I have dismissed any relationship with our Andrew. Andrew was illiterate. I would suspect that a literate man would have taught his children to read and write. And there is no indication that Jacob had a child named Andrew. I would like to look more into indentured servants who came to PA or perhaps other nearby ports if such records exist. It is interesting that Ardath saw trucks in Germany with the name Gotshall Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:56:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gudgel/Smith The Potts said: >>When we were in Germany - both northwestern and southwestern - we would >>see delivery trucks with Gottshall or other spellings. The name was in >>phone directories spelled an assortment of ways in different parts of >>the country. It most certainly will be a difficult name to trace and >>the only information we have is the religious preference, Andrew's >>"circa" birthdate, and hopefully his father's full name and mother's >>first and middle names. Maybe our last name is really Smith... bob From: gus109@webtv.net (John & Ardath Potts) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:57:18 -0600 (CST) Cc: gus109@webtv.net Subject: Goch .Germany Frankly, I had not thought about Frederick being a close relative of Jacob, let alone his son. I was mainly keying in on the two locations and the similarity of the name. However, I think Vivian may have hit upon something with the will witness. I had not noticed that. I think at this point I'll continue to pursue some record of them in the Goch area. According to the Jacob article, Mennonites who left were given a transfer testimonial from the home church. Vivian, I'd be interested in having the website posted, if you did not do that. And Bob. This whole thing gets much worse than "Smith". According to the article that I have (I'll send a copy to anyone that wants it.) Jacob Gottschalk's father was Gottschalk Theunissen.Surnames were arrived at in rather unusual fashion. Bye again, Ardath ARDATH AND JOHN POTTS From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "John & Ardath Potts" Subject: Re: Goch .Germany Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:08:58 -0800 Hi Ardath I must have found this line of descendents for Jacob Godtschalk on more than one site, but here is one of them: http://www.eng.usf.edu/~godshalk/god1.htm 'Descendents of the Oldest Known Godshalk' by Michael J. Godshalk . I just went through his list again and didn't find Fredrick listed, so maybe it is a bad lead. Fredrick would have been born about the same time as they were coming over on the ship., maybe born on board and his record got lost???? Anyway, I'll keep looking for the other site that I got information from. I know there is another, because I made notes that some of the dates were recorded differently and a spouse named Kuster was spelled Custer etc. Hope this doesn't confuse anyone. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Ardath Potts Subject: Goch .Germany > Frankly, I had not thought about Frederick being a close >relative of From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "John & Ardath Potts" Subject: re Jacob godtschalk Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:42:03 -0800 Hi Ardath. Here is another site address: http://www.gottshall.com/gottshall/index.html It is an excellent site. However, there is a will of Jacob's posted that does not have any Fredrick listed as his child. So, I guess that scratches that theory. Dianne was correct after all. I found another site that has a great deal of information on it. It is well worth the time to check it out. The address is: http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy/index.html 'On the Trail of our Ancestors' ( Donna Speers Ristenbatt Genealogy). It has an explanation of Dutch names converted to English that I found interesting. Lots of other stuff like ships lists and immigrants lists etc. Have fun! vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: Re: Gottschalk's, Gottshalls, etc. Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:23:24 -0800 Hi Dianne For what it is worth, the will of Fredrick Godtshalk ends with a notation that there is tape over part of his signature, but the part, that is there, is in German script. That would indicate he could sign his name at least. However, since I found the will of Jacob Godtshalk on that web site I sent to the G-list yesterday, I no longer believe that Fredrick could be the son of Jacob, but there might be some close connection, because William Nash was the witness on Fredrick's will and William Coley Nash was the spouse of Jacob's daughter Magdalena. I haven't had any success searching the Nash family for a connection. yet. Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Gottschalk's, Gottshalls, etc. > Good point about Andrew being illiterate due to the fact he might > have spoken German at least in the early years, but since he is > reported to have come to this country at an early age, he > certainly spoke English. If he was the son of a German speaking > literate person, then that could be situation that he did not > learn to read and write English. > > I would like to have my memory refreshed if Jacob Gotshalk was > literate in the English language is anyone knows. > > I would have to look at Frederick Gotshall/Gotshalk's will to > recall if he was literate. > > By the way, we have an "oath of naturalization" that an Andrew > Gotshall/Gotshalk signed (but did not "swear" to due to his > religion) in PA in the 1740s I think. Does anyone know if we have > found a similar oath for Frederick or Jacob? > > Dianne > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Frederick/Andrew/Andrew..Thoughts to ponder Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 22:55:11 -0500 I have been reading the messages lately about where the family of old Andrew GUDGEL immigrated from and I will add my "two cents" in hopes it will help. I have several sources of information which I will submit. I don't know which is correct, if any of them, but maybe we will eventually solve this. I'd love to be able to make a positive contact with someone or something in Germany. >From research done by Boyd GUDGEL, Sr. in 1973: He states: "Immigrants from Palatine, Germany (now Bavaria). Ministers of Mennonite churches annabaptists". ****************************************************** Mr. Jim Pope and I have discussed this at length over several years and his thoughts were as follows: Frederick GOTTSCHALK (most surely the father of our old Andrew), was a Mennonite "preacher of note". Not listed in the parish registers of Germany. Frederick was from the area of Cologne, Germany (spelled Klon or Kolon on maps), district of Kleve or Kleave. When he came to America he knew he was going to have to pledge his allegiance to the British Crown and this was against his faith (Mennonites don't swear). Mr. Pope thinks he entered America at the port of Baltimore, MD so as to avoid the Oath of Allegiance-this area was exempt from that rule. Many Mennonites changed to Lutheran at that time. They could affirm--but not swear. Frederick's church wanted him to come to America. He stated that Frederick is included in an article in (I think) the Pennsylvania Mennonite Journal (about a 1983 issue) and it deals with the time frame of the 1730's. I have never been able to find this. He owned a Mill in Franconia Township, later called Tohickon Creek, in Bucks Co., PA. (Note-this information is from notes I made from one of my conversations with Jim ). ****************************************************** Something I want to throw in.......I have always wondered about this statement...... >From the History of Bedminster, Bucks Co., PA, by the Bedminster Bicentennial Committee-Pauline Cassell (1976): page 31: Mills (In discussing the oldest Mills in the area): "We begin with two brothers, Andrew and Frederick Gatchkil (Godshalk). Andrew received a grant from Thomas and Richard Penn of 25 acres in 1743. On that 25 acres, he built a grist mill. Frederick purchased 12 acres of land from Eleazor Doan (Doan received 217 acres from Thomas and Richard Penn) in 1738. This purchase of Godshalk from Doan took place in 1746. On his twelve acres, Frederick has a millpond. These two lots were contingious and located on the Tohickon Creek. Between 1746 and 1749 Frederick died and left his 12 acre plot with a millpond to his wife, Mary Anne. In 1749, on May 30, Andrew sold his grist mill to his sister-in-law, Mary Ann Godshalk, and her partner, Yost Panakucka. One June 19, 1749, a month later, Mary Ann Godshalk and Yost Panakucka sold their grist mill and mill pond to John Trout". (Notes from Linda-This totally confuses me. The part of 2 brothers, Andrew and Frederick.....maybe we are dealing with brothers instead of father and son, however, Frederick's will also names a son, Andrew. And then the part about "Mary Ann Godshalk and her partner Yost Panakucka". In Frederick's Will of 1748 he names a daughter, Mary Ann, wife of Yost Pannakuck, but in this article Mary Ann is referred to as Andrew's sister-in-law. Also could the name John TROUT have been John CROUT who married one of Frederick's daughter and named in the same Will? Would someone care to comment on this or at least give us your thoughts? ). Everyone have a great week, Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:32:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Crout/Trout >could the name John TROUT have been John CROUT who married one of Frederick's daughter and named in the same Will? Of course. Happens all the time, doesn't it? Didn't it? Still is happening every day in the mail. boB From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Bob Gudgel" References: <200011060432.UAA02510@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: Crout/Trout Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 21:40:19 -0800 Hi Bob I have wondered ,too, if Crout could be Trout. I noticed that the family sold their land to other family members quite often. But out on the Pankake family web page, there is a marriage between Andreas Pfannenkuchen and Elizabeth Ronningern, October 16 (1759) that is witnessed by Johannes Kraut. That seemed to indicate that the family name was Crout or Kraut. Just a couple of my cents worth. That Pancake site is http://www.usfamily.net/web/pankake/papmb.htm The marriage is under St-Michael's-Zion German Lutheran Church, Philadelphia, Records of Marriages. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Gudgel To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Crout/Trout > >could the name John TROUT have been John CROUT who married one of > Frederick's daughter and named in the same Will? > > Of course. Happens all the time, doesn't it? Didn't it? > Still is happening every day in the mail. > boB > Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:47:10 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Frederick/Andrew/Andrew..Thoughts to ponder Thanks Linda for talking to Jim Pope. I sure hope he will share his material with you before it is all lost. Now, regarding your synopsis of Frederick and Andrew-- It is most interesting that in one document Andrew and Frederick were listed as siblings. Perhaps Fred was Fred jr. although I don't see a Fred Jr listed in Fred Sr's will. It is pretty well established that Andrew had sisters Agnes and Mary Ann and one other. They married men named Pancake and Trout/Krout. I think the document listing the girls as sisters in law was in error. I note that Linda has used some material from Boyd Gudgel. I also have some of his data and have to admit that I am not able to use it with confidence. I actually gave him some of my information, but I am afraid he may have misinterpreted it. I doubt that Frederick was a Mennonite preacher but I think it is pretty likely that he may have come through Maryland and that he may have changed to the Lutheran faith. Then, there is the nagging question of how to connect Frederick and Andrew of Bucks Co, PA to our Andrew of Fayette Co. I would like to see that firm connection. I realize we have that IOU of Andrew's from Bucks Co that caught up with him 20 yrs later in Fayette, but still, the name Gotschalk/Gotshell was common. How many Andrew Gotshalls were there in PA or Maryland or adjoining areas in the 1740s? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:53:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Dianne Holmes cc: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Frederick/Andrew...More thoughts to ponder Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com The recent discussion has been very interesting. Thank you everyone! Since I returned from my little trip to Pennsylania I have been pouring over the photocopies of the original documents I have of Andrew's various land transactions and other clues. I have tried to put them in chronological order to see if I could see anything I had missed. Tonight I think I might be on to something! I usually don't look very closely at the mark of illiterate ancestors but I have been struck by the fact that Andrew used a captial" A" for his mark. Tonight for the first time I noticed that the Andrew of Bucks Co and the Andrew of Fayette County all signed the mark THE SAME WAY as a capital A !!! I have several deeds of sale from both counties and he ALWAYS signs with a capital "A"! Do any of you have his mark in Kentucky or Gibson Co., IN? I also took a hard look at the chronology below and I cannot find any discrepancies in it. What do you all think? I think Bucks Co. Andrew is our man! Do you have anything to add to the Bucks County Chronology? Do any of you have "proof" Andrew was in Chester Co., PA? I also took a good hard look at the CROUT/STOUT/TROUT names. It is definitely "Johann CROUT" in the will. It also really looks like "John Trout" in the deeds. I still think they are the same person. If we could find where he sold the land or wrote a will we might know the answer. If he anglicized the Johann many he "anglicized" the "Crout" The deeds are also very bad copies so it might say "CROUT". In the same time period "Yoast Pfannekucken" was also spelled "Yost Panncak". I thought the piece about the mills was very interesting. The historian could have gotten all of the information on the family from the deeds and might have thought Andrew and Frederick were brothers. I still think they were father and son but the other info about the mills being next to each other sounds right. Mia ************************************************************************************** 1727 Andrew Gudgel born in Germany and later immigrates to Pennsylvania. [From tombstone and letter from L.W. Gudgel dated May 30th, 1893] January 28, 1743 [Andrew purchases 25 acres of land on Tohichon Creek] Patent Book A, vol.12, p.44 Andrew GATSCHAL of the county of Bucks, Yeoman, purchased from John Hutchinson, by Patent, 25 acres of land on Tohickon Creek for L3, 17s, 6d. Described as starting at a marked hickory by the side of the creek, by vacant land to a corner, to another corner by John Hutchinson, by Thomas Lancaster's to a marked Elm Tree by the side of the creek along the creek to the beginning. [No mention of a mill.] March 17, 1745 [Andrew conveys a moiety or half interest in a grist mill on Tohicon Creek to Abraham Vastine] Deed Book 9, Page 205. Bucks Co., PA Andrew GOTSHALL, Yeoman & Catherine, his wife, of Bucks Co. conveyed to Abraham Vastine of Hilltown a one half interest or Moiety in a grist mill and 25 acres of land on Tohickon Creek where on GATSCHAL erected a grist mill and other improvements. The land having been patented to him by the Proprietors, John, Thomas and Richard Penn, January 28, 1743. Both Andrew and Catharine signing by mark. It was acknowledged by Andrew in 1753 and the signature of Catharine was proven in 1754. I don't have a photocopy of this one. Do any of you? did he sign with an "A"? November 26, 1746 [Frederick purchased 12 acres and a partnership in a mill with Abraham Vastine] Deed Book 9, page 210 Eleasor Doan, Yeoman, of Bedminister, Bucks Co., PA sold to Frederick GATCHILL, Yeoman, of Bedminister, Bucks Co., PA for L3 a piece of land on Tohickan Creek in Bucks Co., PA one moiety or one full equal and undivided half part of a piece of land containing 12 acres on which a mill pond stands belongin to a mill lately Erected by Frederick Gatchill & Abraham Vastine & Partners. Recorded July 16, 1754 Land is described as starting at a stone post to a white oak tree, to a post, to a white oak sapling, to a post , to a White oak Tree, to the beginning. It was land originally part of 217 acres patented to Eleasor Doan on February 14, 1738. December 7, 1748 written March 29, 1749 Anna Mary appeared as executrix Will Book I, Page 4, File 4 Will of Fredrick GODSTCHALK, Philadelphia Co., PA. Wife Annmary Godtschalk receives the third part of the Estate Both Real and after her Death it shall be equally divided between five Children: 1. Agnes Panncak wife of Yost Panncak 2. Andrew Godtschalk, to have 30 more than the others 3. Mary Crout wife of Johan Crout (Son-in-Law Johan Crout shall have twenty five acres of Land out of my tract whereon he now Dwelleth) 4. Ann Alleback wife of Christan Alleback 5. Elisabeth Myer wife of [unreadable] Myer. Executors are Ann Mary Godtschalk & Yost Panncak. [Note: Maybe Andrew gets more money than the rest because he is the youngest and not yet received an inheritance. Maybe his youth is also why he is not the Executor] April 11, 1749 Andrew is naturalized by the Supreme court of Pa. At the time a resident of Franconia Township, Philadelphia Co., PA (Now Montgomery County) He owned land in Bucks County.[Note: If this is our Andrew he would have been about 22 years old at this time and his father would have been dead only a month.] May 30, 1749 [Andrew & Katherine conveys a moiety or half interest in a grist mill and 25 acres on Tohickon Creek to Ann Mary Gotshall & Yost Panakucha] Deed Book 9, page 211 Andrew signed his name by a mark. His mark is a capital "A" ! Catherine's mark is "O". Andrew GOTSHALL and Katherine, his wife, of Franconia Twp., Philadelpha Co., PA conveyed to Yost Panakucha and Ann Mary Gotshall, also of Franconia Twp., one full equal and undivided half part or moiety of 25 acres of land and a water grist mill on Tohickon Creek for 160. Recorded July 17, 1754 The 25 acres in Bedminister Twp. are the same that were granted by patent to Andrew on January 28, 1743 described from a marked Hickory by Tohickan Creek to the land of John Hutchinson, to a post by Thomas Lancaster, to a marked elm by the side of the creek along the creek to the beginning. June 19, 1749 [Ann Mary Gotshall & Yost Pannakucka sell the grist mill and 12 acres to John Trout?] Deed Book 9, page 212-213 Yost Pannakucka, yeoman, and Ann Mary GOTSHALL of Franconia Twp. sell a tract of 12 acres and a grist mill on the Tohickon for 79 to John Trout? in order to pay Frederick Gotshall's legacy and debts. Originally part of what Eleazer Doan sold to Frederick Gotshall, deceased, on November 26, 1746. June 19, 1749 [Anne Mary Gotshall & Yost Pannakucha sell 25 acres on Tohickon Creek to John Stout?] Deed Book 9, page 214 Yost Pannakucha and wife Agnes and Anne Mary GOTSHALL, widow, all of Franconia Twp. sell to John Trout? 25 acres on Tohickon Creek. This is the land originally patented to Andrew Gotshall recorded in Patent Book A; Vol.12, page 44 and sold to Yost Pannakucha and Anne Mary Gottshall on May 30, 1749. November 8, 1749 [Andrew purchases 159 acres in Bucks Co., PA from Thomas Darrock] Deed Book 22, page 12. Bucks Co., PA Andrew GOTSHALL purchases 159 acres of land from Thomas Darrock of Bedminster Twp., Bucks Co., PA. The land is located on the line dividing Hilltown and Bedmister Twp. just south of the Tohickon Reformed Church. Recorded September 1785. June 10, 1750 Daughter Maria Johanna born to Andrew GOTSCHALL and Catherine Elizabeth and baptized on July 7, 1750 at the Tohickon Reformed Church, Bucks Co., PA. Sponsors are Yoast Pfannekucken and wife Maria Agnesia and daughter Maria Johanna. Dec. 18, 1752 [Andrew sells 159 acres in Bucks Co., PA to Benjamin Lancaster] Book 22, page 13-14. Bucks Co., PA Andrew signed his name by a mark. His mark is a capital "A" ! Catherine's mark is "O". Andrew GOTSHALL & wife Catharine of Hilltown, sell to Benjamin Lancaster 159 acres for 318. April 28, 1753 Andrew GOTTSCHALL and wife, sponsors for daughter of John Krait and wife. At the Tohickon Reformed Church in Bucks Co. PA. May 7, 1753 Daughter Esther born to Andrew GOTTSCHAL and wife Catherine Elizabeth and baptized June 3, 1753 at the Tohickon Reformed Church, Bucks Co., PA. Sponsors are Henry Jeckel and wife. November 17, 1756 Pennsylvania, [County unknown] Bond drawn by and between Andrew Godshel, a carpenter and on Christopher Truly, a wheelwright. [from L.W. Gudgel letter dated May 30th, 1893] >From the History of Bedminster, Bucks Co., PA, by the Bedminster. Bicentennial Committee-Pauline Cassell (1976): page 31: Mills (In discussing the oldest Mills in the area): "We begin with two brothers, Andrew and Frederick Gatchkil (Godshalk). Andrew received a grant from Thomas and Richard Penn of 25 acres in 1743. On that 25 acres, he built a grist mill. Frederick purchased 12 acres of land from Eleazor Doan (Doan received 217 acres from Thomas and Richard Penn) in 1738. This purchase of Godshalk from Doan took place in 1746. On his twelve acres, Frederick has a millpond. These two lots were contingious and located on the Tohickon Creek. Between 1746 and 1749 Frederick died and left his 12 acre plot with a millpond to his wife, Mary Anne. In 1749, on May 30, Andrew sold his grist mill to his sister-in-law, Mary Ann Godshalk, and her partner, Yost Panakucka. On June 19, 1749, a month later, Mary Ann Godshalk and Yost Panakucka sold their grist mill and mill pond to John Trout". 1757 Terri Montigny found in the Uniontown, PA court house a primary source document about one of Andrew's old debts. Apparently in 1757 he owed someone money and the note clearly stated he was in Richland, Bucks Co, PA. Richland Twp. is very near Franconia Twp. and Bedminster Twp. She also found where Andrew was owed money from someone and he turned the note over to Andrew, Jr. who in turn turned it over to a Woodfill in KY. She said the name was spelled lots of different ways, but the Bucks Co note was "GOTCHEL." Barbara was the wife's name in all cases where it was given.) Do any of you have a copy of the original??? What does it say? Terry, are you still with us? ********************************************************************* Now, We don't have anything that I know of that shows where Andrew was between 1757 and 1768 when he shows up as a squatter in Fayette Co., PA. >From my reading about the history of that time I feel there is a strong possibility that he went south into Maryland and/or Virginia before moving back into PA. Do any of you have anything for this 11 year period? Of course Catherine was suppose to have been born in Chester Co., PA and Andrew Jr. in Baltimore, MD..... Enough for now. Mia Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:25:15 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" CC: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Re: Frederick/Andrew...More thoughts to ponder Mia, Good detective work! That is a very positive sign. I will look at my IOU of Andrew's from the 1740s just in case he signed the same way. If he did, I should scan it so you can compare. I have no doubt that our Fayette Co Andrew WAS in Bucks Co at least for a time (1740s) as he had that IOU bad debt that caught up with him. It has always been assumed that the Frederick and Andrew relationship included OUR Andrew. Now maybe you have proved it. Can you scan those signatures for the web? I know I have promised you and others some material and I will get to it this weekend. I have to do it this weekend as I am leaving next weekend for a family reunion in Virginia (my husband's, not my family). By the way, it does not mean anything that one time we see the name Trout and the next time Crout. People didn't spell the same each time and in linguistics the T and C can be interchanged in some languages. It is the same with T and D and P and B and C and K. In some languages there is not difference between those two sounds and those alphabets might only have one sound that is a cross between a T and D, etc. So I am very sure we have the same person when we see the Trout and Crout and Krout. The same goes for a Pancake which is the translation of Pfannekuchen. You said at the end of your note that Catherine was suppose to be born in Chester Co. Didn't mean Catherine who we think was Andrew's first wife did you? I would love to find out more about Andrew's wanderings in the 1750s and '60s. Yes, I think he may have been in Baltimore and it isn't far between Philadelphia and Baltimore. I still would like to find anything that gives the names of the 100 or so settlers (mainly German) who were encouraged to settle in what became Fayette Co in the early era of about 1750s. Christopher Gist is the man saddled with finding these 100 families for the Ohio Company's land. Great job Mia. And you laid out the chronological details nicely with references too! Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: gus109@webtv.net (John & Ardath Potts) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:25:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: Andrew/Frederick Mia, Thank you so much for putting this all together. I've been spreading papers all over my living room and trying to figure out how to put all of this information on the site with my limited vision. I also had noticed the "marks". I want to also note that according to the baptismal records in the Tohickon Union Church, in 1750-51 Jost Pfannenkacken's wife's name was Maria Agnesia. So we have Anna Mary , his mother-in-law , and Mary Agnesia Pfannekacken's wife whose middle name may have evolved into Anna. I also have copies of some of the deed , plus a summary of them done in 1983 by Frances Waite, a lady that I hired at the Spruance Library of the Bucks County Historical when we visited there . I have always felt that this was our Andrew. But there may still be another one. I have a copy of an original Pennsykvania Land grant - with a gold seal- obtained from the Historical and Museum Commission of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania on 29 August 1983 that granted Andrew Gatchell of the County of Bucks 300 acres on Tohickon Creek for fifteen pounds 10 shillings per acre and yearly quit-rent of one half-penny sterling for every acre thereof. I believe it also says that he must survey the land and if he doesn't do it within six month the agreement will be void. It also says that the land is near Moses Collis on Tohicken Creek.. This is signed by a Penn and it appears to me that the letters before the Penn are WM. Now for the kicker! The date of all this is April 30, 1735. The document is No. 6 and is signed by Andrew Gatchell. (very neatly printed and no marks that I can see in this copy). It appears an Andrew was there in 1735. How have we arrived at old Andrews birth date? Could there have been a seven or eight year difference? Or was there a brother of Fredrick also nemed Andrew? Finally, I found an article that names the schools that Jacob Gotschalk sent his children to, so they were certainly literate. But I agree with Vivian that because William Nash witnessed the will of Frederick and a William Nash was the son-in-law of Jacob, there is surely some sort of connection - at least possibly a common place of origin. By the way, on my copy of the "Frederick "will there was obviously damage and some tape - but not over the signature. It is clearly Frederick and signed in script, probably by him. ARDATH AND JOHN POTTS Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 07:10:38 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: John & Ardath Potts Subject: Re: Andrew/Frederick Wow are we getting hot! Thanks for Ardath's thoughtful and amazing insight into all the details she provided us last night. And YES lets find that will of Old Andrew's. I will try very hard tonight after a long meeting to dig up that IOU from 1740s and look at the signature. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: 1772 settlers of Pa. Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:58:20 -0800 Dianne I have a list of six pages of settlers in Pa. in 1772. You guys probably already know about this web address, but in case some one is interested here it is: http://store.yahoo.com/datatrace/sompenin17.html The list has Andrew Gudgel, Charles Gause, three Meyers en,( one of whom might be Frederick's son-in-law). There are two Teagarden men, Abraham and George. Remember Andrew being caught with the Teagardens during the tax riot? All these people lived in Springhill Township, Fayette County in 1772 . Hope this helps . Thanks, Mia for the good stuff you sent. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 00:13:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Dianne Holmes cc: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Andrew's Signatures Hi all, Well, I am up late tonight again pouring over this Gudgel stuff! I have scanned 6 signatures: May 30, 1749 - sale of land in Bucks Co December 18, 1752 - sale of land in Bucks Co October 18, 1788 - 3 different deeds in Fayette Co. October 5, 1793 - Andrew's marriage to Betsy Payne in Kentucky I will send them as an attachment to Bob tomorrow to post and also to anyone directly that can receive attachments if you ask me. Take a look at them. One thing I have noticed is the cross bar of the A seems draw in two parts on the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 6th signatures. Do any of you know a handwritting expert that can tell if they are all the same person? Do any of you know if these documents would have been signed directly by Andrew or just transcribed. Talk to you tomorrow! Mia P.S. Who do you think will be our next president? New York still has a Clinton for the next 6 years! From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL(L) marriages in Illinois 1851-1900 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:17:31 -0500 I checked out the Ancestry.com free database for ILLINOIS MARRIAGES 1851-1900 and came up with the following: Mae GUDGELL to Elmer V. WILLIAMS June 15, 1898 Rock Island Co., IL Caroline GUDGELL to Robert A. HIBBS July 4, 1892 Sangamon Co., IL Mrs. Caroline GUDGEL to Herbert HANNIBAL January 28, 1896 Sangamon Co., IL Perry M. GUDGEL to Ollie HUNT November 18, 1896 White Co., IL William Leonard GUDGEL to Christina DOSHER February 24, 1881 White Co., IL If anyone knows more about these families please let us know. ************************************************** Had a bit of bad luck this week-my daughter, Gina, fell and broke her hand Sunday in her yard. Required surgery yesterday to insert a pin and a wire around the bone. So she's bandaged up but on the mend. She's having a time managing with one hand for a while. The good thing is that she is right handed and it was her left hand. She had tickets to the Dixie Chicks concert in Lexington tonight but the surgeon said he thought it best if she didn't go. Hmm.....I called her tonight and she wasn't home.....whadda you want to bet?....naw, surely not ?? What do mothers know . Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Recent GUDGEL tidbits. Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:03:01 -0500 Great work! You guys are really getting to be pro's at this stuff . In reading over some of the documents that Mia listed in her data I recognize several documents from PA that I have copies of also, however, I only have the front page of Frederick's Will. Could someone send me a fairly good copy of the complete Will? Several years ago Dianne, Terri Montigny, Daniela Moneta and myself put together a timeline of everything we have. I need to check it against Mia's data to see if we can add to her information. I have checked my documents from the Woodford Co. , KY courthouse (mostly marriage bonds, etc.) and only one actually has what looks like an "A". It could be an "X" as it says: his Andrew (X or A) Gudgel mark Hard to tell. I don't think I have any documents from Gibson Co., IN. There's no doubt in my mind that our Bucks Co., PA Andrew is the same one in Fayette Co., but we also may have a brother to Frederick named Andrew also. Mia- why did you want to know if we have proof of Andrew being in Chester Co., PA? I have info. from somewhere that a couple of Frederick's girl's and their spouses went to Chester Co. but will have to find that. I do believe that Johann/John CROUT, KRAUT, TROUT, KRAIT are one in the same, however, I have no other data on this line. Son-in-law, Henry MYERS has been a dead end for me-there must be 500 Henry MYERS about that time everywhere I looked! I do have some data on the family of Christian ALLEBACH and also our Yost Pannakuch (a/k/a "Joe Pancake" between Mr. Pope and me---family joke) hehehe. I do have some more data I want to submit from the same articles about the Mills in Bedminster Township. Will try and do that this weekend. Mia- I also wonder where Andrew was between 1757 and 1768. Baltimore sounds like it could be the place, or at least in or around that area. I also think he may have stopped off somewhere between PA and KY before settling in Woodford Co. Great job, Mia-thanks. Ardath-You asked how we have arrived at the year of Andrew's birth. The cemetery marker in Gibson Co., has him born in 1727 and I'm sure it's not an original marker but it does state that. Also it states his age on the marker and the year of his death so I would guess that's been the best bet. Census records showing ages is another clue. Not sure how we arrived at the year otherwise but apparently we had several sources to kept reflecting that year 1727. Will have to check on my sources. I can't respond about the name William Nash because I haven't seen any more than the first page of Frederick's Will and that's pretty rough. (Hint...Hint...) hehehe. Vivian, thanks for the website listing the 1772 settlers. I have printed that to keep. Enough for now-more later. You gals are awesome! Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Mia K Fleege" Subject: attachments Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:36:43 -0800 Mia I can use attachments on my computer and I would love copies of the signatures you have. Also, any documents pertaining to the Daniel line that you might have Thanks for all your good work. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Finnell" Subject: frederick's will Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:11:57 -0800 Linda, I downloaded the will of Frederick from the Pankake family site. Lowell Pankake posted an address on the Gudgell list a few days ago. I'll repeat it here again. www.usfamily.net/web/pankake/pafred.htm. It shows both pages. I just looked at Lowell's posting and he says he got his copy from Dianne Holmes. Do you, or anyone, have a will for Old Andrew ? Somewhere in my research, I ran across someone who had a name starting with 'K' who used the 'K' as his mark. Maybe using the first initial as his mark was a common procedure in those times. Thanks for sharing . Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Montgomery Co., PA data Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:05:30 -0500 >From Early Successive Land Owners in Franconia Township Montgomery Co., Pennsylvania and A Brief History Of Their Activities By Joyce Clemmer Munro Page 18 Owners of Land Tracts in Franconia Township Asheton Tract The Penns, in the beginning of the eighteenth century, granted 3,000 acres of land to William Asheton, of Salford, England. After his death the heirs sold 500 acres on June 25th, 1750, to George O'Kill, merchant, of Philadelphia. The latter on June 19th, 1751, sold a ha;f interest to Samuel Parr, of Gloucester Co., NJ This tract extnded from the present Cherry lane and Church Road to the Hatfield township line, and from the county line to a line about 300 feet northeast of the Cowpath road. O'Kill and Parr, on January 1st, 1753, sold the tract to five persons-Yost Cope, John KROUT, William Althouse, Christian ALLEBACH and Jacob Leidy. The locations of the KROUT tract has not been ascertained, as no deed was ever issued for same. (footnote: A deed for the KROUT property has been fopund: it is the oddly shaped ;eg of nymber 85. This piece of 25 acres and a house were willed to Johann CROUT by his father-in-law Frederick GODSHALL in 1748). Tract 89. Christian ALLEBACH, Jacob Leidy Farm The Christian ALLEBACH tract extended along the present Church road, from the Cowpath road to a point northeast of the present Olin M. Leidy residence. This tract came into possession of Frederick GOTTSHALL, on a lease, before 1730, and after his death in 1748, the lease was transferred to his son-in-law, Christian ALLEBACH, who later transferred the lease to Jacob Leidy. Errors were discovered in the draft and a re-survey was made. In the new draft, Jacob Leidy's plantation was designated "Leidysburg". In 1769 the tract was owned by 3 persons who, not being satisfied with their title, asked for a re-survey, which was made on November 10th and 11thm 1769, and patent or confirmation deeds were issued to Jacob Leidy for 246 acres, to William Althouse for 94 acres and to John Cope for 148 acres, with six percent allowance for roads. In 1748 when Frederick GODSHALL made his will, there were two houses on his property, the one where he lived and the one occupied by his son-in-law Johann CROUT. The GODSHALL house is reputed to have been located in the meadow of the Norman Loux prperty at 138 Cowpath Road and the CROUT house was just across from it on the southeast side of Cowpath Road. Because the GODSHALL home was probably typical of a moderately wealthy Franconia resident, the estate inventory of goods is presented to give readers an idea of what a mid-eighteenth century local home and farm possessed (list is in original spelling): ( Note from Linda-I will not list the value as it is in francs, silver and dollars (f-s-d). a Great Bibell and other books a bed & beeding, 4 pr. sheets, pillows, bolsters curtains & bedsteet Gun powderhorn and Shoot bage Black Walnut table & 6 chears small cubarts playing insterments 4 glass bottles, 3 voils, 2 tumblers 3 fiells, and a Cumpass and a punch 3 Dutch sithes, a Cradell & a wheatstone old looking glass alles and a Coom case Cake of bees wax, a brush and innons 27 yeard of woolen Cloath & 2 yeards of tooe Linnen a wimbel and 2 hooks and 3 gimlets 2 Cheasts Lokes and keis Raisers and a hoone and a earthern deish Servant Lade having about 6 years to serve 2 iron Stoves 6 Putter plates, 2 Dishes, 2 basons, a tanckard, 20 Putter spoons 2 small brass kettels and 2 Copper potts. a frying pann and a Dripping pann. 10 Earthern Dishes and 11 oden trenchars 6 oden Spoons, one brass spoon and a tinn stranner a tinn quart pott and other oden weare 2 Salt boxes, 4 watter buckets and a small pott Dresser and 4 Earthen potts with butter and hoges lard a funnell, a hand a saw and a small frame saw 3 iron wedges, 2 mall Rings, a ades and a watter cann 3 Turners Chesels and a hamer a hammer and 4 Gouges and a Chissell and a samll saw 5 plains and 3 turners Chissells 3 ogers and 2 drawing Kniffes 6 pare of iron Hoopels and 2 Gras Rakes Shouemakers tools and a old box a hachet and a frooe Carpenters Cross axe and a plough plate and a old bell Great Spining wheel and a pare of Cards 2 old Bridels, 2 Ginners Knifes and a Dough trough a Conch and 4 bages and a bedstete Iron shovefel and a Cross Cutt saw and a basket A peper mill 3 bed sheets, one table cloath and one hand towell 2 littlell spining Wheels 2 bee haives with flax 2 Pridels and a Nett and a Coope porke that is in the Lofte2 bee haives and other baskets 3 cowes and a heffer a heffer Calf and a Sterr a Sider press and iron hoopes Otes in the bearn and a stack of rye Straw hay in the bearn and out of the bearn Rye in the bearn a Truckell Waggon and a Chane and a old Slade. a hand Winde to wind up Loozes a meall Cheast in a mill a turners lathe two tubs & a powdering tub and a butter Churn powdering tubs and a small small washing tub 15 Earthen potts 2 cakes of beefs tallow, 2 small vessals and a Earthen pott 4 hoghets and r tergen 5 barrels, 2 half barrels a powdering tube 6 bee hives 3 Beches in the Room 7 acres of Winter corn in the ground During his lifetime Jacob Leidy, the next owner of this property, acquired considerable land. To his original tract of 92 acres, 113 perches, which had Cherry Lane, the Cope property line, Township Line Road, and a line from the Althouse property as its boundaries, Leindy added the KROUT and GODSHALL-ALLEBACH tracts for a total of 246 acres, 56 perches. (To Be Continued). From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Finnell" Subject: Franconia land owners Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:50:54 -0800 Thanks, Linda. I've printed out the land deals for my files. I'm awaiting chapter two!! That was a huge amount of typing you did, and we appreciate it. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: andrew's signature Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:24:34 -0800 Dianne Thanks for sending the Andrew signature, but from the posting, I got the idea that you sent the whole document. I only received the signature itself. I could see the 'A' plainly enough, however. When I opened the attachment, I got a reproduction of the whole e-mail page including the tool bar and everything at the top. Do you know what I should be reading the file with, when I open the attachment? I have Microsoft outlook express to send and receive my e-mail on. Anyway, thanks for sending it. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: Re Andrew's signature Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:34:26 -0800 Hi Dianne I just got the signature file opened with Photo Editor. It looks fine, but I still don't have the body of the document. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:39:39 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Josaphine W. Gudgel(L) May I butt in for just a moment on the wonderful old Andrew signature findings... I just got this email inquiring about a Josaphine Gudgel or Gudgell. Anybody know anything? Thanks, bob >From eeyore_lover29@msn.com Sun Nov 12 00:34:25 2000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:56:21 -0800 To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: josaphine gudgel my name is anita bracken born woodstock ill. i reside in minnesota we moved here when i was 9 years old my mother donna m carter bracken born to helen e simmons carter who was born to edwar simmons and (pearl spencer simmons )who was born to one joseaphine v. gudgell brothers are albert and charles gudgell i have photos of albert and charles and josephine i also have news paper articles on these people and unlabled photos that im not sure of and something on a mary alice gudgell an article and i dont know who she is?almost all of my emediate family lives in ill. -thank you anita bracken- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGELL query from Anita Bracken Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:33:32 -0500 Hi Folks- I did a little research for the previous query that Bob sent to the list from Anita Bracken. I emailed her and asked for more info. such as dates and locations, etc. She sent me sanned copies of her obits and clippings and I was able to piece together her connection thanks to Vivian Lyle sending the WIll of Milton GUDGELL over the list! Thanks, Vivian!! She is connected through Josephine GUDGELL SPENCER, daughter of Milton GUDGELL. I have sent her the Will and also the address for our website and encouraged her to join us. Another story with a happy ending : ) I love connecting these cousins! Linda Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:03:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Josaphine Linda! Thank you. That was great! Isn't the internet wonderful? Bob From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:47:03 EDT Linda, Thank you so much for sending this information! I have a gazetteer of PA so I looked up the area. It is in and around present day Souderton. Also I found Godshall Road running parallel to the Montgomery/Bucks Co. line just south of town and Cowpath Road intersects with it. Mia From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:54:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: signatures I put a link to Mia's old Andrew signatures on the Gudgel list page. This is in Adobe .pdf format right now but if there is enough call for it, I will put it up in another format. Adobe PDF is kinda good, becasue the browser is free from www.adobe.com and it prints well and is an internet standard now. http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudglist.htm and go to the Old Andrew signatures link. thanks, Bob From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Andrew's Signatures Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:31:00 -0500 Mia= Just to let you know I did receive the attachment but only the descriptions and no graphics. Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:53:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: signatures HMmm... It was working fine for me. Try a couple more times. If it doesn't work, we'll try something else. The actual pdf file is on another site (www.geocities.com/bobtransformer/andrwsig.pdf) I wonder if there might be some conflict in the version of acrobat that is to account for no graphics. I'm using version 4.0 I believe. bob From: "Ronald Sharp, Sr." Subject: Re: signatures Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:11:00 -0600 I used the link below and it worked perfectly. Ron From: "Kevin & Marie" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:21:08 -0800 Subject: Unidentified subject! I also was able to use the link to the signature very easily From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Andrew's signatures attachment Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:14:55 -0500 Gosh, I'm sorry you must have misunderstood my message. I was referring to the first one that Mia sent out. That's the one I only got the text and not the graphics. I'll try te new Adobe site now. Sorry for the confusion. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Montgomery Co., PA info.- part 2 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:55:16 -0500 Early and Successive Land Owners in Franconia Township Montgomery Co., PA and A Brief History Of Their Activities Page 23 History of Souderton Tract 67. John Rosenberger Farm A tract of 144 acres was sold to John Rosenberger. The original dwelling on this tract was a log house, located a short distance southest of the Abram LOUX residence, opposite Church road. This tract was irregular in shape, extending from the Seiple tract northwest to the Abraham Clemmer farm and from the Ludwig Hangey farm southwest to the John Wilson farm and the Snyder lot. Frederick GODSHALL was in possession of this farm as early as 1730, probably by virtue of a lease, and, after his death in 1748, his son-in-law, Christian ALLEBACH, came into possession of it. The latter probably sold the lease to John Rosenberger, to whom a deed was granted in 1790. Sold to Abraham Rosenberger in 1794, to Valentine Clemmer and Andreas Schwartz in 1824. Jonathan Yocum was a tenant on this farm in 1825. Sold to John Delp in 1826, later to Isaac Bergey, to George Delp in 1852, to William Delp in 1865, to Jacob S. LEIDY in 1880. The latter's son-in-law, Jacob R. LOUX, took charge of the farm about that time, and after Clemmer's death, the farm was transferred to LOUX in 1918. Sold to his son, Abram C. LOUX, the present owner, in 1920. The present Hiram R. LEIDY residence is located on this tract. The LEIDY home was owned and occupied for many years by Solomon Kupp. In 1790 John Rosenberger was a miller in Hatfield Township. Whether or not he actually lived on this tract is not known. The Frederick GODSHALL log house stood near the boundary of this land, in what is now the low land of Norman R. LOUX's property at 138 Cowpath Road. This author beleives that Jacob LEIDY, not John Rpsenberger, acquired most of the GODHSALL land; this beleif is based on a deed search done in Philadelphia. The Hiram R. LEIDY residence at 180 Cowpath Rpad belongs to James McGuire, Jr. The Cowpath Road was originally called Meyer's road, also Moyer's road, from the fact that it led to the Mill of George Miers, on the northeast brand of the Perkiomen creek, known locally as the Branch creek. In all of the Wilson deeds issued in 1790, it is called Dunn's Road. The origin of this name has not been ascertained. It appears that the name Cowpath Road came into use at a later period. ****************************************************** This article gives us a little background on the land where Frederick lived. I have typed a couple of the surnames in caps because I beleive they are important in this research.....LEIDY and LOUX especially. This data was sent to me by Glenn Landis of Lititz, PA in 1996. Mr. Landis has a GOTTSCHALL(K) in his line of research but I wasn't able to help him. He spoke of walking the Abram LOUX farm as a young boy. I thought that was really something. Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:49:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Signatures (one more time) OK. I think I've got it now! There are 2 (two) ways of accessing my external web site stuff. I added another link right below the first on the gudgel-list page to access Old Andrew's signature. If one link doesn't work at that moment, try the other link. I don't know why, but it seems to make a difference. boB From: "Lowell Pankake" Subject: Signatures Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:55:09 -0600 If the links still don't work for you, right click on either of the links, and then click on "Save Target As". This way you can download the .pdf file to your computer. Worked for me. Lowell Pankake pankake@usfamily.net www.usfamily.net/web/pankake From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: "Bob Gudgel" , Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:59:31 EDT Subject: Re: signatures Hi Bob, Good job! It's working for me too! I did bring those jpg scans to work today. Do you need for me to send them? Is everyone able to see the signatures? Mia From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Andrew's signatures Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:50:26 -0500 Okay- why do I seem to be the only one who can't find these signatures? I am blond but DUH....... I clicked on both hyperlinks and it took me to the Yahoo Geocities home page....I've looked and looked but didn't find anything that would lead me to the right place. Now what? Maybe I'm having an early "Senior Moment"?? Linda From: "Nancy Miller" Subject: Signatures Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:56:05 -0800 No Linda, you're not the only one. I've tried every way suggested and I get nowhere. Thought it was just me!! Nancy Miller From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 14 16:31:28 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA19507; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:29:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:29:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:29:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011150029.QAA06965@eskimo.com> To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: ONE MORE TIME (Signatures) Resent-Message-ID: <"L4xUE.0.bm4.XZT4w"@mx2> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1620 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com OK, I give... (For a while anyway) I put the .pdf file on my web site which is the third (3rd) link. If THIS one doesn't work, I don't know what will. Bob Thanks From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 14 17:06:55 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA24717; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:05:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:05:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:04:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011150104.RAA10788@eskimo.com> To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: signature pdf file Resent-Message-ID: <"Gyb8m.0.426.y4U4w"@mx2> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1621 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Something I just noticed when trying to get the geocities version of the andrwsig.pdf file to download, instead of hitting refresh or reload, I put the cursor (with the mouse) at the very end of the location line in my browser (so it doesn't highlight the address) and hit enter. (carriage return) Then it popped up. Not sure what's going on here. Linda, maybe your brother knows what's up. But, at least the file is also on my eskimo.com site as well. ONE of those should work now. Thanks for your patience! Bob From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: ONE MORE TIME (Signatures) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:10:51 -0800 Hi Bob I used the suggestion from Lowell Pankake to RIGHT click on the url.on the gudgell-list web site. Then on the menu that drops down, click on the use 'save target as'. On my computer I get a quick transfer of download. A message box asks to save as adobe file. say Save and the message will begin to download. Into a download folder on my computer. vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: New Researcher Found! Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:51:49 -0500 Hi Folks- I got a call tonight from Howard Maxwell of Indianapolis, IN and he got my name from Beulah Moberly Smith about the GUDGEl research. He works for Eli Lilly Corp. and has 2 children. Howard is a descendant of John GUDGEL and Jean HARBISON and his line is as follows: Frederick Andrew John David GUDGEL and Elvira FITCH Amos GUDGEL and Mary TROUTMAN Maggie GUDGEL and Bruce MAXWELL Allison MAXWELL and Joann DeMILT Howard MAXWELL and his wife, Susie. Hope we'll be hearing from him soon on the list. I told him there were others from his line here and they will be able to help him out with his search. Also, wasn't someone looking for Amos GUDGEL and Mary TROUTMAN information not long ago? More later, Linda From: gus109@webtv.net (John & Ardath Potts) Old-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 06:42:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: subscribing Hi Bob! I've set up an email address to use just for this site. It's strictly for receiving. I'll probaly send contributions with the gus109 address. Please change my access to aap109. This is a new thing for me. We'll see how it works. Also , webtv will not allow me to access the Andrew signatures. But I do already have a copy one set. Thanks, Ardath ARDATH AND JOHN POTTS From: Bob Gudgel Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:51:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: New researcher That's great Linda. Now, I wish we could get Beulah Moberly Smith to join the mail list. She is cousin to the Moberlys that had the reunion that I went to a couple of years ago. The Victor Shackleton people in Vancouver Washington and Portland Oregon. Beulah, I believe, is in Colorado. Bob From aap109@webtv.com (pretty sure that's it) Hi! I've rearranged my email to better accomodate all of the mail from the Gudgel family. This is a test letter to see if it goes through ok. Have a very nice Thanksgiving all! Ardath ARDATH AND JOHN POTTS From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL item on eBay Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:18:06 -0500 Hi folks- Found another Gudgel item on eBay tonight. Item #503391097 Chiropractic Leg Testing Video by Dr. James GUDGEL. I think it's still on for a few more days. I know there were several GUDGEL's who were Chiropractor's. Anyone know this fella? Linda Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:36:46 -0800 From: Mona To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL item on eBay Hi everyone: Curious about James Gudgel. My husband's father Dr. H.P. Gudgel was a chiropractor, his brother Ted was one and his brother Paul. Pal had no chidren and Ted had a daughter. Mona Gudgel wife of John Gudgel PS Although I am not a blood relation you thought you might be interested to know that I am an author alongwith two other individuals of a book that just recently published called 10,000 Years on the Salinas Plain. Anyway, it does get the Gudgel name out there. Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Dr. James Gudgel It looks like Dr. Gudgel is at: Chiro Plus PA 821 East Bridge Street Redwood Falls, MN 56283 Redwood (507) 637-8649 with: Fuhr, Deanie R DC Gudgel, James W DC Phillips, M Clark DC Dr. James Gudgel is evidently an alumni of the Logan College of Chiropractic in Chesterfield, Mo. (http://www.logan.edu/) I see that he gave a seminar in 1998 in Ohio, too. (http://www.state.oh.us/chr/98ce.HTM) and in Dallas, TX at the Palmer College Of Chiropractic on 11/4/2000 (http://www.chiroweb.com/cgi-bin/calendar) Isn't the internet wonderful? Oh, I wonder if he is a subscribed member to this mail list? Hi Dr. Gudgel! Bob From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Old Photos Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:44:25 -0600 Hi Linda.................. I'm going through some of Mother's things and found an old photo album I've never seen before. I've lost Kim Gudgel's email address. He is in our "leg" of the family. Also, others may be interested. The photos are list: No. 1 Dr. John F. Gudgels Nov. 26th, 1896 No. 2 Lev. W. Gudgel's Nov 25th, 1897 No. 3 Dr. Jim. E. Gudgel's Nov. 24th 1898 No.4 Nora Hull's Nov. 30th 1899 No. 5 Dr. John F. Gudgel's Nov. 29th, 1900 No. 6 Lev. W. Gudgel's Nov. 28th, 1901 No. 7 Dr. Jim. E. Gudgel's Nov. 27th 1902 No. 8 Nora Muck's Nov. 26th, 1903 (a smaller = group, standing around a man's photo) No. 9 Annie Gudgel's Nov. 24th, 1904 No.10 Lev. W. Gudgel's Nov. 30th, 1905 No.11 Dr. Jim E. Gudgel's Nov. 26th, 1906 No.12 Nora Muck's Nov.28th. 1907 No. 13 Jody D. Meadows Nov. 26th 1908 No. 14 Lev. W. Gudgel's Nov. 25th, 1909 As I look more closely, the same old boy withe the goattee (sp?) is in all of them, Two younger guys who look like "typical Gudgel"-- at least typical of our family--are in the earlier ones. They must have celebrated Thanksgiving at different homes each year and had a family picture taken What do I do with this treasure? -Jennette Gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Dr. James GUDGEL, Chiropractor Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:53:35 -0500 Bob- You never cease to amaze me! Good work! Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Floyd GUDGELL- Fullerton, NE Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:30:53 -0500 Hi Folks- I have submitted this unidentified GUDGELL obit a long while ago but I thought since we have some new subscribers/researchers that someone may recognize this person. It was an obit. sent to me in 1993 by Karen Brown, dau. of Gaylen GOTTSCHALK. I have since lost her address but she lived in NE and the obit appeared in a local newspaper as I recall. Can anyone help identify this person? FLOYD GUDGELL Fullerton-Floyd GUDGELL, 85, of Fullerton, died Saturday, April 10, 1993, at the Nebraska Veteran's Home in Grand Island. Funeral services are 10 a.m. Wednesday at Palmer Funeral Home in Fullerton with the Rev. Roy Cupples officiating. Burial and commital services will be 2 p.m. Wednesday at Evergreen Memorial Cemetery in Omaha. Visitation is 4-8 p.m. Tuesday at the funeral home with a 7 p.m. Masonic Service. Mr. GUDGELL was born October 7, 1907 in Meadville, MO, to Elmer and Artie (CHINN) GUDGELL. He grew up and attended schools in MO. On October 19, 1935 he married Alma THOMSON in Chillicothe, MO. They lived in Illinois, Missouri and Nebraska while he worked for Sutherland Lumber Co. for 37 years. He served in the U.S. Navy during WW II. In 1977, the couple moved to Fullerton, where he worked with his daughter and son-in-law at the Gambles store for 12 years. Mrs. GUDGELL died Feb. 16, 1988. For the past 2 years Mr. GUDGELL resided at the Nebraska Veterna;s Home in Grand Island. He was a member of the Victory Baptist Church, American Legion Post 151, past Master of the Masonic Lodge in Fullerton and past member of the Lion's Club and he enjoyed fishing. Survivors include one daughter, Berry Kermoade of Fullerton; one brother, Donald of VanBuren, Ark.; one sister, Velda Howell of San Francisco; 2 grandchildren and one great-grandaughter. Besides his wife, he was preceded in death by one sister. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:37:49 -0500 This is really a good web site for finding any biographical data in numerous sources. I found several gor GUDGELL, one for GUDSHALL. None for GUDGEL. Linda > This database - American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) > from Ancestry.com is "FREE" for 10 days at: > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3599.htm > > > Remember that the AGBI is an index to individuals appearing in family > histories and other genealogical works, and researchers are encouraged to > locate and examine the material from which the database was created. If not > available from your local academic or research library, most of the works > referenced in the AGBI are housed at the Godfrey Memorial Library in > Connecticut. A photocopy service is available. Please contact Godfrey > Memorial Library, 134 Newfield St, Middletown, CT 06457 or via e-mail at > referenceinfo@godfrey.org. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Happy Thanksgiving to All Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:44:03 -0500 According to a commercial on T.V. tonight..... The average male will watch 85 hours of football this weekend on T.V.! Females were encouraged to get even by attending an 85 hour Thanksgiving Days shopping sale at a local store. 85 hours! I love to shop but would be a bit much. Must be truth in the saying...."Shop till you drop" Hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving. I will be the first to say I am truly blessed every day. Thanksgiving was my Dad's favorite holiday. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Thanksgiving memories Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:15:32 -0500 I have been thinking today that I suppose each of us have a funny story or remembrance of something special that we think of at Thanksgiving and wanted to share my annual reminder. Maybe some of you will share yours with the rest of us also. We were on our way to my sister-in-law's today for Thanksgiving dinner...not far...just across town and while placing my specialty dishes of food in the truck the same old memory crossed my mind as it does every year. Part of my contribution were two chocolate pies. As I placed them in the truck I thought of my younger brother, Windy GUDGEL, (now living in Moorehaven, FL). Windy was about 7 years old I guess and we were on our way to Grandmother's house (Verna Elwood HUTCHISON GUDGEL) for Thanksgiving dinner. My mother had baked pies to take and Dad was taking the three of us (Sam, Linda and Windy) in the car to Grandmother's (Mother must have already gone to help with dinner). Windy and I sat in the back and Dad placed a pie in each of our laps and we were told to sit still and not let the pie fall off our laps. We didn't have far to go but before we got there Windy's pie had slipped off his lap and was upside-down in the floorboard of the back seat. I just remember that I knew Mom was gonna' be upset. I don't remember what Dad said or what happened but I felt sorry for Windy. I knew he didn't mean for it to happen. Isn't it funny how these things stick in our minds for so many years? And it comes back to my mind as reguarly as Thanksgiving comes every year. Happy Thanksgiving, Windy. My Dad (Norman GUDGEL) loved Thanksgiving. He loved having his family come for dinner and stay to visit the afternoon. He always said the blessing before dinner. He called it "saying grace". It was usually short and sweet and he always ended it with "Most gracious heavenly Father, we thank you for these and all thy blessings". Dad isn't with us any more but in my mind I can still hear him saying those words. What sweet words...by a great guy. Hope some of you others will share your Thanksgiving remembrances. As long as we remember, these stories are not forgotten. Linda From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: Thanksgiving memories Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:42:54 -0600 My Thanksgiving memory was as a child.............and the adults challenge! We lived in the Santa Cruz, CA mountains, and our house was the destination for relatives for holidays. This particular Thanksgiving we had a huge turkey. Dad, John Clinton (Barney) Gudgel, always made a big deal of sharpening the knife and carving the turkey. As usual, Dad sharpened the carving knife and demonstrated its sharpness by shaving some hair off the back of his hand. H e put the knife and sharpener down and opened the oven for the turkey. The next thing we all knew, "tom" slid off the pan, out of the oven and across the kitchen floor. In the audience was my grandmother, Ethel Hogue Gudgel, who burst out laughing in her outdoor voice. The folks, expecially my mother, Frances Yenne Gudgel, did not think it was a bit funny. Like Linda, I don't remember what happened after that.........guess we had dinner as usual. But it incident never fails to come up when the family is all together for Thanksgiving. 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I am two days away from my Holiday Historic Homes Tour and ready to get this show on the road . I think I told you that I was the Chairperson and it's been a year long project and we are ready. Will spend tomorrow delivering poinsettia's to the 8 homeowners whose homes are featured on the tour. Will also put out signs at the sites, deliver volunteer supplies, tour books and tickets and a hundred other things. In this area of central KY this is a very popular event to go and see historic homes and this is our first here. Wish me luck. Will keep you posted as to how it goes. About the subject line: About two weeks ago I responded to a message on MyFamily.com on the GUDGEL page. It was from Patrick Vincent of Glendale, AZ. He was trying to find the descendants of a Roy GUDGEL of Owensville, Gibson Co., IN. Twenty-five years ago Patrick's step-mom lived in Alaska and bought a box of items at an auction that were of no particular value. She had flipped through the box and seen a scrapbook that had apparently belonged to a man in his later years who must have cared very deeply for his friends and family. She bought the book for $5.00 and has had it all these years hoping she would eventually find this man's family. Well, I volunteered to help Patrick find his family. I told him about our mail list and newsletter and that I was sure we could make contact. I sent Patrick an email about Roy's family. So, in today's mail I received the scrapbook in a Priority Mail box. It is absolutely wonderful and full of so many interesting things. Clippings, obits, a couple of tin types, articles of interest to him, etc. What a treasure! Not sure how it wound up in Alaska since Roy lived in Gibson Co., IN. I thought I would see who is the closest descendant to Roy. I want to submit some of the information to the list before I hand it over to someone in his family line and I promised to let them know what happened to it. Information on Roy GUDGEL: Roy GUDGEL (b. 1887 Gibson Co., IN, d. 1972). Son of Abraham GUDGEL and Elizabeth WEED, grandson of William GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN, and great grandson of old Andrew GUDGEL and Elizabeth "Betsey" PAYNE. Siblings: Joseph, Louella, William Lenas, Perry Morton, Arthur T., Della, Rebecca, Homer and Kathryn. Allied names of this family: King, Clark, Camp, Hunt, Epperson, Reynolds and Ward. I have not seen any reference to children of this marriage of Roy and Laverne Clark, but she died in the 1950's and he missed her very much. I will submit some of the information in this scrapbook as time permits. The Homes Tour is Saturday and then YIPPEE.....I can get back to normal. Is finding this scrapbook another success story or what? Linda from Kentucky From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 7 20:10:10 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA03471; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:05:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:05:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001201c060cb$979dc260$1b4dfcd1@lindascomputer> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:00:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"A2G9Z3.0.9s.Du5Cw"@mx2> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1637 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Very few dates listed. A small photo of Kate GUDGEL and Ralph SIDES ( is this Roy's sister, Kathryn?) A handwritten note that says: "Mother went away Saturday night, Oct. 9, 1915. Roy GUDGEL." (This would have been his mother, Elizabeth WEED GUDGEL). Clipping-(This was Roy's sister, Rebecca (1885-1978), who married Silas WARD in 1904 so this must have been in 1954 : Mr. and Mrs. WARD To Be Honored On Golden Wedding Day at Church. Mr. and Mrs. Silas WARD. who will observe their golden wedding day quietly on Saturday, April 10, will be honored guests at a basket dinner celebration to be held at Bethlehem Church on Sunday, April 11th. Mr. and Mrs. Ward were united in marriage at the home of her parents, Mr. and Mrs. Abraham GUDGEL, with the Rev. I.J. Turner officiating in the presence of the members of the immediate family. The home place where Mrs. GUDGEL was born and where she resided until her marriage in 1904 is now occupied by her brother, Arthur GUDGEL, and family. Upon her wedding day she moved with Mr. WARD to his home place where he had been born. It is beleived Mr. and Mrs. WARD have set a unique record in that he has lived his entire lifetime in the one home, she making only one move, that on her wedding day. Another record set by the couple is the fact that they were both members of the Bethlehem church prior to their marriage and throughout the many years have remained ardent members. All relatives and friends are invited to attend the celebration, and to bring a basket and table servive. No other invitations will be extended. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Homes Tour Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:09:08 -0500 Hi Folks- Well, the Holiday Historic Homes Tour was a success I believe. The streets were crowded, the horse drawn carriages were a hit, the 8 homes selected for the tour were beautifully decorated and looking their best. We sold 454 tickets and gave out probably 40 to 50 tickets between the homeowners and the huge staff of volunteers who worked in the homes. One of the most positive comments I am hearing is how well it was organized. I had a great bunch of people to work with and my committees did a wonderful job. We were blessed with wonderful weather too. Couldn't have asked for better in any way. So for our first year I am as pleased as I can be. I don't recall ever being so tired as I was when it was over. It's been a year long project in the planning but we did it and it was great. The wedding plans for my daughter will really get rolling after the first of the year but right now I want to finish my GUDGEL newsletter article and enjoy the Christmas holidays. Guess everyone is busy preparing for the holidays. Let's hear a hello or something from everybody. Let us know what you've been up to. >From Linda, Relaxing a bit now in Kentucky . Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:13:11 -0800 Subject: Can You say "Merry Christmas"? From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hello Everyone, I have a question for every GUDGEL(L), nee GUDGEL(L) or Blood Line GUDGEL(L). HOW MANY LANGUAGES DO WE AS A GUDGEL FAMILY SPEAK? Can you say "MERRY CHRISTMAS and or HAPPY NEW YEAR" in a language other than English? If so, please include: 1. The correct spelling in that language. 2. Which phrase is Merry Christmas and which is Happy New Year. 3. What language you are speaking. 4. Is this a literal translation or a paraphrased? 5. If paraphrased please include the exact translation from that language to English. 6. Your Full name. Your name will go next to the phrase(s) as contributor. 7. Where you are living now ... State, Province and or Country. I am going to put as many as I get in the GUDGEL Family Connections Newsletter. BTW ... Has everyone got their Subscription in for the GUDGEL Family Connections Newsletter? Contact me if you need information about subscribing. Have a great Holiday Season, Bill Gudgel, Gudgel Family Connections Newsletter Editor From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: ROY GUDGELL Scrapbook-Owensville, IN Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:56:50 -0500 Newspaper clipping with picture-no date. Mr. and Mrs. Morton GUDGEL, of Cynthiana, will celebrate their golden wedding anniversary today at their home. They will keep open house to relatives and friends from 2 to 5 o'clock and from 7 to 9 o'clock. The golden wedding bride was Miss Ollie HUNT, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Willis A. HUNT of Brownsville, IL. She was married to Morton GUDGELL of Owensville, November 18, 1896. They have two sons, William Vaughn and Raymond Earl GUDGEL of Seattle, Wash., and two daughters, Mrs. Evah CALLIS of near Cynthiana and Mrs. Mildred COPLEN of Princeton, and two grandchildren. Through the more active years of his life, Mr. GUDGEL was a farmer. ******************************************************* Newspaper Clipping with picture-no date. DR., MRS. U.B. REYNOLDS TO OBSERVE 50TH ANNIVERSARY Dr. and Mrs. U.B. REYNOLDS of Fort Branch will observe the golden wedding anniversary with open house from 2 to 5 and from 7 to 9 o'clock Sunday afternoon and evening, July 30. They were married July 29, 1900 by the late Alonzo Yates of Owensville. Mrs. REYNOLDS was formerly Miss Della GUDGEL. They have resided in Posey and Gibson counties since their marriage and have been residents of Fort Branch for the past 29 years. They are the parents of 4 children, Junius of Evansville, Travis, Marsovan and Mrs. Paulean TURPIN of Ft. Branch. They have 8 grandchildren and two great grandchildren, Dr. REYNOLDS is a widely known veterinarian of southern Indina, having pracived veterinary medicine for 50 years, although he did not finish school until March, 1902. Dr. and Mrs. REYNOLDS are both 69 years of age. All relatives and friends are invited to visit them on their anniversary. ******************************************************* Newspaper clipping-no date KING-GUDGEL Wedding Friends of Miss Ada KING of Princeton amd Joseph Ora GUDGEL, an Owensville saleman, were agreeably surprised this week to receive an announcement of their marriage of the couple which took place, February 21, in Rockville, IN. The wedding ceremony was performed by the Rev. Bender. The bride is the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. George King, of Princeton. Mr. and Mrs. GUDGEL will make their home in Princeton. ****************************************************** Handwritten notation: Roy GUDGEL Born Nov. 21, 1887 Laverne GUDGEL Born Oct. 21, 1889 Laverne was operated on for breast cancer at Mayo Jan. 4, 1958, was dismissed to home on Jan. 23, 1958 and only lived 3 weeks. Passed away Feb. 13, 1958. ****************************************************** Newspaper clipping with picture- Observing Golden Wedding Today 1904-1954 Beckie and Silas WARD (This was Roy GUDGEL's sister, Rebecca). ****************************************************** Newspaper Obit with picture- dated 1955 DR. U.B. REYNOLDS, OLDEST INDIANA VETERINARIAN, DIES. Ft. Branch, June 14 Dr. U.B. REYNOLDS, 74, oldest practicing veterinarian in Indiana and father of J.U. REYNOLDS, a composing room employee of the Evansville Printing Corp., died today of a heart attack at his home here. He was born in Gibson County near Owensville on March 13, 1881. A charter member of the Southern Indiana Veterinarians Assoc., he also held memberships in the IOOF in Fort Branch, and the Elks and Eagles lodges in Princeton. He leaves two other sons, Travis and Marsovan of Ft. Branch; a daughter, Mrs. Claude TURPIN of Ft. Branch; two sisters, Mrs. Nellie Williams of Cynthiana and Mrs. Don Sinclair of Evansville; 8 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. Funeral will be at 2 p.m. Friday in General Baptist Church here, with the Rev. A.C. Weir officiating. Burial will be in Clark Cemetery. Friends may call after noon Wednesday at Laib Funeral Home. (Dr. REYNOLDS was married to Roy's sister, Della). More later, Linda Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:24:34 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: ROY GUDGELL Scrapbook-Owensville, IN Thanks Linda for the news clippings. Can you tell us when the clippings appeared and the date of each? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel Stuff Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:08:31 -0500 Just a couple of things I want to pass by the list. For those interested, Ancestry.com has ALL of their databases free to search from Dec. 7th thru Dec. 21! Their way of wishing everyone a happy holiday (and also to probably generate some new paid customers I'm sure ). But it's a marvelous opportunity and I have already spent some time there. You will have to register with them in order to log on but it was very simple. Do any of you belong to the Fayette Co., PA Genealogical Society? I have been a member several years and also get their quarterly newsletter but have yet to see anything about the GUDGEL's or related families. I've sent in queries but never received a response. Guess I'm debating whether to give it up. Dianne- As I am submitting the information about Roy GUDGEL's scrapbook I am noting if there was a date given. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Roy GUDGEL scrapbook-Owensville, IN Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:45:05 -0500 Handwritten letter written by Roy GUDGEL on his birthday. 1887 November 21 1957 Three score years and ten Seventy years ago today I started on life's journey. The eighth child in a family of ten, and believe me with no ceremony. I've had good days and bad days as all of us do. But to add to the good days, I've had the best of health too. Now the things that I cherish much more than the rest are my friends and my loved ones that will stand the real test. So now that I am nearing my long journey's end, I have planned this little party where I can meet my old Brothers, Sister and friends. For that last day will soon come to all of us and there will be no way to beat it. But I will not complain when that day draws near as the good Lord has blessed me and removed all the fear. Here's a toast to us all and I hope you will join. May we all meet again where I hope I'm a goin'. May your blessings be many and your troubles be few. That's the way I would like is for me and you. Your Brother in Christ, Roy Gudgel Birth Nov. 21, 1887 I wrote this Nov. 21, 1957 on my Birthday. ***************************************************** Funeral Home Card: In Memory of Edward A. GUDGEL born Sept. 5, 1868 Date of death: February 23, 1950 Interment: Liberty Cemetery Funeral Conducted by Bixler and Ritzel, Cynthiana, Indiana ****************************************************** 2 photographs taken at the Funeral Home of the open casket of his sister, Della GUDGEL REYNOLDS. ****************************************************** From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook-Owensville, IN Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:22:15 -0500 Obituary of Joseph McGARY-newspaper clipping with photo. DEATH SUMMONS JOSEPH McGARY, CIVIL WAR VET Heart Attack Claims Life Of Prominent Citizen And Member Of G.A.R.- Funeral Services Wednesday Afternoon. Joseph K. McGary, 88 years, prominent citizen of Princeton and Past Commander of Archer Post No. 28 died at 10 o'clock Monday morning at his home at 438 West Spruce Street following a heart attack which he suffered at 11 o'clock Sunday morning. Mr. McGary had been in failing health for several years. Funeral services wil be held Wednesday afternoon at the deceased's late residence in west Spruce Street conducted by the Rev. L.A. Harriman, Pastor of the First Presbyterian Church. Brief continued services will be held at the New Mt. Moriah church west of Ft. Branch. Burial in the New Mt. Moriah Cemetery. Archer Post G.A.R. will have charge of the services. assisted by Sons of The Union Veterans. The Women's Relief Corps will have a short ritualistic service at the home. Born in Montgomery Township. Joseph K. McGary was born September 28, 1844 on a farm in Montgomery Township, the son of Harrison D. and Nancy Pritchard McGary. The father was a native of Kentucky and the mother of North Carolina. Mr. McGary was one of three sons, the other being William H., who was killed in the Battle of Stone's River on Jan. 31, 1862; and Hugh D. McGary, who preceded his brother in death a few years ago. Mr. McGary received his education in the public schools of his home community which was located at McGary's Station. He resided on the paternal farmstead until 1885 when he moved to Princeton, where he had since made his home. Mr. McGary was twice married, first to Rebecca Weed in Sept., 1872. Her death occured in 1901. In June, 1904, Mr. McGary was united in marriage to Mrs. Matilda Trible DeGraff of Johnson Township. Surviving to mourn the death of Mr. McGary, besides the widow, Matilda McGary, is one nephew, Z. Col McGary, of McGary's Station; a niece, Mrs. J.M. Lucas, of Boonville, MO; and a host of other friends and relatives. On Sherman's March During the Civil War Mr. McGary took an active part in his country's defense, enlisting in March, 1864 in Co. E, 42nd Vol. Infantry, being the youngest of three brothers who took part in the conflict. He participated in all of the battles from Chattanooga, down to Savannah, and was with Sherman on his march to the sea. For many years he ahd been a member of Archer Post G.A.R. and he held practically all of the offices in the Post, being guard at the time of his death. Mr. McGary had been engaged in several of Princeton's business enterprises being connected with (Sam?) Stewart in the Insurance and Real Estate business for many years and a partner with his brother, Hugh McGary, in the sheet metal works located in the south part of the city. He was a farmer by proxy, owning a large farm west of Ft. Branch. Mr. McGary was instrumental in getting up the petition and started an effort for the erection of the soldier monument in the courthouse yard. He was assisted by D.W. Smith, when death occurred after the petition was started and the burden of the (w--?) fell on Mr. McGary. Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:41:42 -0800 Subject: GUDGEL Newsletter From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Recently I have received several request for information about the GUDGEL Family Connections Newsletter. Here it is. You will notice that the first issue will go out on January 1, 2001. Hello to all of my GUDGEL Cousins, GREAT NEWS ... The “GUDGEL FAMILY CONNECTIONS” NEWSLETTER will be continued. We are currently going through a restructuring process and we are entering what I refer to as Phase # 2. As you know, because of health reasons, Doyal Gudgel has decided to no long publish our “GUDGEL Family Connections” newsletter. For that reason I have recently agreed to take over the responsibility of Newsletter Editor for the GUDGEL FAMILY CONNECTIONS” Newsletter. The GUDGEL Family Connections Newsletter is written by GUDGEL’s and nee GUDGEL’s for GUDGEL’s, nee GUDGEL’s, and anyone interested in our GUDGEL family history. To guarantee our readers that they will receive a newsletter that they will enjoy reading and will want to save as a future genealogy reference, I have asked three GUDGEL Family Historians to join our staff as Regular Staff Writers and all have accepted. They include: Dianne GUDGEL-HOLMES, Doyal T. GUDGEL, and Linda GUDGEL FINNELL. All are outstanding Family Historians and fantastic at researching details about our Gudgel family. They are really nice people too. As for myself, William E. Gudgel (AKA Bill Gudgel of Evansville, IN), I bring the following skills to the “Gudgel Family Connection” Newsletter: 3 1/2 years of experience as the Newsletter Editor for the Tri-State Ski Club of Evansville, IN, Author of a Copyrighted Book, Public Speaker, Professional Photographer, Certified Court Videographer, Amateur Family Genealogy Researcher, and ... I am a GUDGEL. In an effort to encourage new subscribers we are lowering the subscription rate to $15.00 for four (4) quarterly issues. We plan to have your first quarterly issue in your hands on or about January 1, 2001. If you are interested in renewing or in starting a new subscription to the “GUDGEL Family Connections” Newsletter, please send your checks to me, William E. Gudgel; 2055 Shelby Ave.; Evansville, IN, 47714. Make your checks for $15.00, payable to William E. Gudgel, and on the note portion of your check write “for GUDGEL Family Connections Newsletter”. As a last point, we are trying real hard to lower expenses in order to encourage new subscriptions. As a result we are operating at a very tight budget, If you would like to donate above the subscription rate we will apply your donation to helping defray expenses. If you have further questions you can contact me by e-mail at wegudgel@juno.com or at the above address. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook- Owensville, IN Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:51:32 -0500 Handwritten Notation: John Stanley TEEL age 78 years, 4 months passed away June 15, 1956 (note from Linda-This scrapbook is full of related family names and I am entering tose I feel we can connect to. A lot of obits for Roy's wife's family- the CLARK's, MONTGOMERY"S, STONE's, etc. I see mention several times of from out lines such as YEAGER, PRITCHETT, BLYTHE, etc. ). ****************************************************** Handwritten Note: Owensville, IN January 1, 1950 To All To Whom It May Concern: Remember me and keep in view The happy days we spent with you. And when that grave yard is my bed Remember me when I am dead. Roy GUDGEL (Note: Juanita Diorio emailed to say that Roy GUDGEL was her Uncle. She says that he and his father, both, developed a habit of writing in poetry fashion with rhyming lines. Now that she mentioned it I see a lot of it). ****************************************************** Obit-No date-Newspaper clipping: "Doc" Reynolds Mother Succumbs at age 69 Mrs. Della Reynolds, 69, mother of J.U. (Doc) Reynolds, prominent in Evansville Eagles activities died at her home at Fort Branch at 2 a.m. yesterday. He son is an employee of Evansville newspapers. Mrs. Reynolds was a member of the General Baptist church in Ft. Branch. Surviving are her husband, Dr. U.B. Reynolds; a daughter, Mrs. Claud Turpin, of Ft. Branch; two other sons, Travis and Marsovan, both of Ft. Branch; a sister, Mrs. Silas Ward, of Owensville; and four brothers, Morton GUDGEL, of Cynthiana, Arthur and Roy GUDGEL both of Owensville, IN, and Joe GUDGEL of Dayton, OH. Funeral services will be conducted at 2 p.m. Tuesday at the General Baptist Church here by Rev. A.C. Weir, assisted by Rev. Temas Taylor. Friends may call at the Laib Funeral Home. (Note-Roy's sister, Della GUDGEL REYNOLDS) ****************************************************** Newspaper Clipping-Obit-dated Jan. 6, 1961 Owensville-Funeral for Arthur T. GUDGEL, 82, who died Monday at Wabash General Hospital, Mt. Carmel, IL, will be at 2 p.m. tomorrow at Holder Funeral Home here. He was a retired farmer and a member of Owensville Baptist Church, Survivors are his wife, Lurah,; son, Robert A., of here; daughters, Mrs. Ruth Denning and Mrs. Dorothy Douglas, both of here; brothers, P.M., of Cynthiana, Roy, of here, and O.J. of Dayton, OH; sister Mrs. Silas Ward of Princeton, and seven grandchildren. ****************************************************** From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook-Owensville, IN Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:40:40 -0500 Large Newspaper Clipping-Obit with Picture-No year given Physician Rounds Out 54 Years of Service Dr. James E. GUDGEL Arrived Horseback at Cynthiana in 1883; Some of Original Equipment Still In Office Cynthiana-July 10 (Special) On the 29th of March in 1883 a new citizen arrived in Cynthiana, then a town of 300 population. He was Dr. James E. GUDGEL, a young physician, and he came on horseback with his saddle bags carrying a few possessions and with $10. in his pocket. Dr. GUDGEL still is practicing medicine in Cynthiana, with 54 years of service behind him. At the end of his first week of practice in Cynthiana, Dr. GUDGEL recalls, his $10.00 had dwindled to 10 cents. But he had an indulgent father to fall back upon so he suffered little. Dr. GUDGEL took up his residence at the Jack Showers hotel. Among the boarders there was Miss Amanda Ackman, a school teacher. "We hope you will be with us a long time, doctor," she said in greeting the newcomer. He has been her physician all through the years and on the 54th anniversary of their meeting called upon her. "Miss Mandy" has been seriously ill. Opened Office April 1 The young doctor opened his first office April 1, 1883. In 1933 his golden anniversary was celebrated with a reception and more than 300 guests were received at his home. Dr, GUDGEL was the seventh of eight children born to Andrew and Elvira WALLACE GUDGEL, both of pioneer families. The GUDGEL's were Pennsylvania Dutch and the WALLACE's of Scotch stock., being of the same family as General Lew Wallace, author of Ben-Hur. The four sons reaching manhood were all professional men, John F. and James E. becoming doctors and William H. and Levin W. becoming lawyers. Dr. James E. is the only survivor, and is now 79. His general health is good and his activity belies his years. Went to Evansville School He was born near Oakland City and received his preliminary education there, going on to normal school in Oakland City and Ft. Branch, then teaching in Warrick county and Boonville. Later he entered the Evansville Medical College in 1879 and served his internship in the old City hospital, under Drs. G.S. and Edwin Walker. In the summer seasons he studied in his brother's office in Hazelton. When his internship was completed in the spring of 1883 he started off on his horse in search of a good location. He first went to Owensville, but there learned of an opening in Cynthiana, so he came on. "I was looking for two things," he says, "fertile country and plain, honest, clever people. I found both in Cynthiana." He bought his first office fixtures and drug supplies from Leich & Co. of Evansville. In thos days he mixed his own medicines so purchased long-necked bottles for powders, gums, etc., and small-necked bottles for tinctures. All had glass stoppers. He has many of those bottles to this day and they are still of service. He Has Seen Many Changes When he came here there were 3 other physicians, Drs. Dave B. Montgomery, L.B. Crosby and John W. Rutter. The last named, long retired, now lives in Poseyville. He has seen many changes in his more than a half century of activity. Changes in transportation have been interesting, he says, recalling in turn horseback, buggy- from the two-wheeled cart from which he had many a spill, to the cab and cariage- and then the automobiles and their continued inprovement. There is, too, the "flying machine," but that is for "the other fellow to ride in." Communication facilities have improved immensely, with improvement in telephones, telegraph and lately, radio. Two railroads have come to Cynthiana in his time. Sickness Changes There has been a change, too, he declares, in types of sickness. Formerly, he says, there was a great deal of sickness, with prolonged illness usually preceeding death. Today, with better health education, there is not so much illness and people "go out without warning, never needing a doctor until he must sign a death certificate." One great regret is that he did not keep a record of births and deaths. His first attendance at a birth, he recalls, was at the home of Mr. and Mrs. Silas Barker in September, 1883, and he was present at the birth of 15 of the 18 children born to Mr. and Mrs. John Pruitt. Living here now are 5 persons who were adults when he came here. They are Miss Ackman, John and Elmer Wilson, George Fisher, and Isiah Carter. A much-prized possession is the secretary of his father, which contains every letter written by his father and mother while they were separated during the Civil War. He also has the haversack, army fork and purse his father used, and many denominations of paper money used during that period. ****************************************************** (note:-I wonder who has these letters and keepsakes now?) From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook-Owensville, IN Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 06:14:53 -0500 I received this from Jeannette Gudgel. Thought I would forward to the list to share. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook-Owensville, IN > Linda.................... > What a treasure! > Dr. John was my great grandfather! > The photos that I referred to earlier this month were taken > at the homes of John, James and Levin and the sisters. > > Have been in touch with Dianne Holmes..........will get > the photos to an archivist, and copies made for the > Gudgel List. > > My Grandmother, Ethel Hogue Gudgel talked about > Lew Wallace..............but I didn't know the connection. > > By my calculations.........that article was written around > 1937. Dr. John had died and his widow had moved > to Detroit to live with a son. So Dr. James must have > become the patriarch of the family.................I suspect he > is the bearded gentleman with a twinkle in his eye that > appears in all my photos. > > This really gets exciting.............. > Thanks so much for sending the article. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Gudgel Finnell > To: Gudgel List > Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 8:45 PM > Subject: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook-Owensville, IN > > > >Large Newspaper Clipping-Obit with Picture-No year given > >Physician Rounds Out 54 Years of Service > > > >Dr. James E. GUDGEL Arrived Horseback at Cynthiana in 1883; Some of > Original > >Equipment Still In Office > > > >Cynthiana-July 10 (Special) > >On the 29th of March in 1883 a new citizen arrived in Cynthiana, then a > town > >of 300 population. He was Dr. James E. GUDGEL, a young physician, and he > >came on horseback with his saddle bags carrying a few possessions and with > >$10. in his pocket. > > > >Dr. GUDGEL still is practicing medicine in Cynthiana, with 54 years of > >service behind him. > > > >At the end of his first week of practice in Cynthiana, Dr. GUDGEL recalls, > >his $10.00 had dwindled to 10 cents. But he had an indulgent father to > fall > >back upon so he suffered little. > > > >Dr. GUDGEL took up his residence at the Jack Showers hotel. Among the > >boarders there was Miss Amanda Ackman, a school teacher. "We hope you will > >be with us a long time, doctor," she said in greeting the newcomer. He has > >been her physician all through the years and on the 54th anniversary of > >their meeting called upon her. "Miss Mandy" has been seriously ill. > > > >Opened Office April 1 > >The young doctor opened his first office April 1, 1883. In 1933 his golden > >anniversary was celebrated with a reception and more than 300 guests were > >received at his home. > > > >Dr, GUDGEL was the seventh of eight children born to Andrew and Elvira > >WALLACE GUDGEL, both of pioneer families. The GUDGEL's were Pennsylvania > >Dutch and the WALLACE's of Scotch stock., being of the same family as > >General Lew Wallace, author of Ben-Hur. > > > >The four sons reaching manhood were all professional men, John F. and James > >E. becoming doctors and William H. and Levin W. becoming lawyers. Dr. > James > >E. is the only survivor, and is now 79. His general health is good and his > >activity belies his years. > > > >Went to Evansville School > >He was born near Oakland City and received his preliminary education there, > >going on to normal school in Oakland City and Ft. Branch, then teaching in > >Warrick county and Boonville. Later he entered the Evansville Medical > >College in 1879 and served his internship in the old City hospital, under > >Drs. G.S. and Edwin Walker. In the summer seasons he studied in his > >brother's office in Hazelton. > > > >When his internship was completed in the spring of 1883 he started off on > >his horse in search of a good location. He first went to Owensville, but > >there learned of an opening in Cynthiana, so he came on. "I was looking > for > >two things," he says, "fertile country and plain, honest, clever people. I > >found both in Cynthiana." He bought his first office fixtures and drug > >supplies from Leich & Co. of Evansville. > > > >In thos days he mixed his own medicines so purchased long-necked bottles > for > >powders, gums, etc., and small-necked bottles for tinctures. All had glass > >stoppers. He has many of those bottles to this day and they are still of > >service. > > > >He Has Seen Many Changes > >When he came here there were 3 other physicians, Drs. Dave B. Montgomery, > >L.B. Crosby and John W. Rutter. The last named, long retired, now lives in > >Poseyville. > > > >He has seen many changes in his more than a half century of activity. > >Changes in transportation have been interesting, he says, recalling in turn > >horseback, buggy- from the two-wheeled cart from which he had many a spill, > >to the cab and cariage- and then the automobiles and their continued > >inprovement. There is, too, the "flying machine," but that is for "the > >other fellow to ride in." > > > >Communication facilities have improved immensely, with improvement in > >telephones, telegraph and lately, radio. Two railroads have come to > >Cynthiana in his time. > > > >Sickness Changes > >There has been a change, too, he declares, in types of sickness. Formerly, > >he says, there was a great deal of sickness, with prolonged illness usually > >preceeding death. Today, with better health education, there is not so > much > >illness and people "go out without warning, never needing a doctor until he > >must sign a death certificate." > > > >One great regret is that he did not keep a record of births and deaths. > His > >first attendance at a birth, he recalls, was at the home of Mr. and Mrs. > >Silas Barker in September, 1883, and he was present at the birth of 15 of > >the 18 children born to Mr. and Mrs. John Pruitt. > > > >Living here now are 5 persons who were adults when he came here. They are > >Miss Ackman, John and Elmer Wilson, George Fisher, and Isiah Carter. > > > >A much-prized possession is the secretary of his father, which contains > >every letter written by his father and mother while they were separated > >during the Civil War. He also has the haversack, army fork and purse his > >father used, and many denominations of paper money used during that period. > >****************************************************** > >(note:-I wonder who has these letters and keepsakes now?) > > > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook- Owensville, IN Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 06:17:08 -0500 Another response from the postings from Nancy Teel Miller. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:50 PM Subject: Re: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook- Owensville, IN > Linda, > This is some great information that you are posting from Roy Gudgel's > scrapbook. Your posting of my grandfather's (John Stanley TEEL) death date, > made me realize that I do not have an obituary for him. I did finally find > his death certificate which was in Vanderburgh county, since he died in a > hospital in Evansville, though he is buried in Gibson Co. (Blythe Cemetery). > I have been able to follow everybody that you have posted so far. I had a > little trouble with Edward A. GUDGEL, but found him under Alvin Edward > GUDGEL in the Posey Co. cemetery book. > I also wondered what happened to the letters, etc. that Dr. James E. GUDGEL > had. And now I wonder, how did you come into possession of this wonderful > scrapbook? If you told us in the beginning, I didn't pay attention, as I > didn't realize what it held. Interesting, that it was kept by someone that > had no direct descendants to pass it on to. > My father's ancestry is very much related to Gibson County, and while I am a > direct descendant of both PRITCHETT & BLYTHE, I have collateral lines that > reach MONTGOMERY, YEAGER, and maybe the others that you mention. So I am > interested in all that you post, and appreciate your efforts. Thanks. > Nancy > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Gudgel Finnell > To: Gudgel List > Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:48 PM > Subject: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook- Owensville, IN > > > >Handwritten Notation: > >John Stanley TEEL > >age 78 years, 4 months > >passed away June 15, 1956 > > > >(note from Linda-This scrapbook is full of related family names and I am > >entering tose I feel we can connect to. A lot of obits for Roy's wife's > >family- the CLARK's, MONTGOMERY"S, STONE's, etc. > >I see mention several times of from out lines such as YEAGER, PRITCHETT, > >BLYTHE, etc. ). > > > >****************************************************** > >Handwritten Note: > >Owensville, IN January 1, 1950 > >To All To Whom It May Concern: > > > >Remember me and keep in view > >The happy days we spent with you. > >And when that grave yard is my bed > >Remember me when I am dead. > > Roy GUDGEL > > > >(Note: Juanita Diorio emailed to say that Roy GUDGEL was her Uncle. She > >says that he and his father, both, developed a habit of writing in poetry > >fashion with rhyming lines. Now that she mentioned it I see a lot of it). > >****************************************************** > >Obit-No date-Newspaper clipping: > > > >"Doc" Reynolds Mother Succumbs at age 69 > > > >Mrs. Della Reynolds, 69, mother of J.U. (Doc) Reynolds, prominent in > >Evansville Eagles activities died at her home at Fort Branch at 2 a.m. > >yesterday. He son is an employee of Evansville newspapers. > > > >Mrs. Reynolds was a member of the General Baptist church in Ft. Branch. > > > >Surviving are her husband, Dr. U.B. Reynolds; a daughter, Mrs. Claud > Turpin, > >of Ft. Branch; two other sons, Travis and Marsovan, both of Ft. Branch; a > >sister, Mrs. Silas Ward, of Owensville; and four brothers, Morton GUDGEL, > of > >Cynthiana, Arthur and Roy GUDGEL both of Owensville, IN, and Joe GUDGEL of > >Dayton, OH. > > > >Funeral services will be conducted at 2 p.m. Tuesday at the General Baptist > >Church here by Rev. A.C. Weir, assisted by Rev. Temas Taylor. Friends may > >call at the Laib Funeral Home. > > > >(Note-Roy's sister, Della GUDGEL REYNOLDS) > >****************************************************** > >Newspaper Clipping-Obit-dated Jan. 6, 1961 > > > >Owensville-Funeral for Arthur T. GUDGEL, 82, who died Monday at Wabash > >General Hospital, Mt. Carmel, IL, will be at 2 p.m. tomorrow > > at Holder Funeral Home here. > > > >He was a retired farmer and a member of Owensville Baptist Church, > > > >Survivors are his wife, Lurah,; son, Robert A., of here; daughters, Mrs. > >Ruth Denning and Mrs. Dorothy Douglas, both of here; brothers, P.M., of > >Cynthiana, Roy, of here, and O.J. of Dayton, OH; sister Mrs. Silas Ward of > >Princeton, and seven grandchildren. > >****************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:05:52 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Fw: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook-Owensville, IN Wow, isn't this what this web-group-list is all about? Discoveries and mysteries. And we get to hear from the silent folks a bit more! Sure hope we can keep unraveling this story. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Christmas Greetings Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 08:53:55 -0500 Good Morning on this Christmas Eve, 2000. I am getting ready for church and just wanted to wish all by GUDGEL(L) cousins a very Merry Christmas. You are all part of my "family" and very special to me. Best Wishes! Linda from Kentucky From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:19:47 EST Subject: Re: Christmas Greetings To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Just returned from Christmas at the United Christ (Congregational of Fort Myers. Lovely music and verse. Lovely Service in Am also including communion. Wishing you and all Gudgels a Happy New Year! From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 07:11:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: Unidentified subject! We are having a white Christmas in Quincy, Illinois. It is 3 below outside this morning , but nice and warm inside. I am fixing breakfast for our family who will arrive at 10 am. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all my Gudgel cousins! Ardath and John From: "STEPHEN GUDGEL MONTROSS" Subject: Merry Christimas from sunny Spain Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:29:51 +0100 And sunnier Catalunya! We've been having ugly rain and strong winds, but today, Christmas day = is beautiful, even if it looks more like a lovely Easter day to me! I = was hoping for snow, but it rarely snows in Barcelona and I've never = seen snow here at Christmas. But it could be a little colder, at = least! I talked to the family in Illinois last night and they had = plenty of snow and cold temperatures. It sounds good to me, = .........for a few days. We had a Christmas Eve meal here - clam = chowder, fresh salmon, a good Rioja wine, gingerbread. Today it will be = turkey and the trimmings. Tomorrow is an official holiday, St. = Stephen's (Sant Esteve), and I suppose it will be leftovers, which will = be fine. Happy Holidays to you all! Stephen Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 08:42:16 -0800 Subject: Merry Christmas From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hello to all of my Gudgel Cousins, "Merry Christmas" We hare experiencing a white Christmas. It has been several years since we have had a White Christmas so we are enjoying the beauty of it. Bill Gudgel Evansville, IN From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Merry Christmas Day from Kentucky Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:03:48 -0500 Greetings on this Christmas Day to all by GUDGEL Cousins! It's great to hear from so many of you in different locations. It was 5 degrees this morning with a high predicted of 19 today. Sunny and cold but at least it's a white Christmas, which we haven't had in a few years either. The girls are home (both with boyfiends this year ) and my inlaws. We went to Christmas Eve services at church and then home for dinner. I invited an elderly widowed neighbor to dinner also. She moved here last year and misses her old southern KY homestead. I take her to church with me also. Both girls spent the night and we had our traditional breakfast complete with "special ordered" Mom's homemade hot chocolate. Next year one of my girls will be married so it may change our routine a bit. Merry Christmas To All. Linda From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:36:58 EST Subject: Merry Christmas Merry Christmas to all Gudgel's. I'm a descendant of Daniel Gudgel so not sure if I am a cousin yet :) We have had a lot of snow & very cold weather. It is about 11 degrees here in Des Moines, IA. at this time. Our son, who is stationed in CT.,& his wife will be here the 27th. Their 2 sons, who go to college in San Diego, will be here the 27th too so we are having a belated Christmas dinner. Wishing you happiness & good health. Nancy [Gibson] Dingman From: "Sherrill Hinkle" Subject: Merry Christmas! Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:37:04 -0600 Hi to all my Gudgel cousins! I am in Hoopeston Illinois and freezing! I look forward to Ft Myers the end of January for two weeks. I wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Bob and Sherrill ( Gudgel ) Hinkle ===================== Sherrill Hinkle Hoopeston, IL Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 16:33:03 -0700 From: Daniela Moneta Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Just like Nancy, I am not sure I am a Gudgel. I am a descendant of Susanna Godshall or Gudgel who married Gabriel Woodfill. Susanna and her two sisters are said to be daughters of Andrew and his wife Barbarie Hoch. Sure wish I could find the proof. Well, anyway I hope you all have a beautiful Christmas wherever you are. I am in sunny Phoenix. It is clear and breezy with blue skies and fluffy clouds. I am not sure but the temperature is probably around 70 to 75 degrees. I am looking forward to retiring in about six years so I can do genealogy full-time and solve some of these mysteries. I guess I will have to go to Pennsylvania to the place where it all happened. Love to all, Daniela Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:56:22 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: connie Phillips Subject: Re: fr snowless Alaska Merry Christmas Glad some of you are having a white Christmas because we sure don't have any in Anchorage. Ice yes, snow no. We got a good snowfall only a few weeks ago--9 " or so but then 40 degree F weather and winds and rain and then freezing temps turned that quickly into ice. So while we bask in somewhat higher temps and MUCH lower heating prices (due to natural gas from beneath Cook Inlet), we wish you health and happiness in 2001 Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:08:48 -0500 From: ron woodfill Subject: Geneology I am a descendent of Catherine Gudgel daughter of Andrew who married Joseph Woodfield. Are any of you aware of the Denbo massacre and how it Precipitated People, including Andrew Gudgel and twins Daniel and Gabriel Woodfill who also married Gudgel sisters leaving Washington County after the war. captron From: "connie Phillips" Subject: Merry Christmas Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:41:37 -0800 Just a note to wish all the Gudgel's a Happy Holiday's from Aiken, SC. We are having very cold weather here for the south. ( High today of about 46) The good news, is it only lasts for a few weeks then we will have a early spring by mid February. I had snow in Illinois for 40 years before moving south and I do not need snow to have the holiday spirit. I can take lots more heat than cold anymore, so a quick winter is all I need to remember the days of snow, snowman building, shoveling, and scraping the windshield. Hope this finds everyone in good health and looking forward to 2001. Phil and Connie Gudgel Phillips From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Geneology Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:22:27 -0500 Capt Ron- Please share this information with us. I know very little about this. Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron woodfill" To: Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 10:08 PM Subject: Geneology > I am a descendent of Catherine Gudgel daughter of Andrew who married Joseph > Woodfield. Are any of you aware of the Denbo massacre and how it > Precipitated People, including Andrew Gudgel and twins Daniel and Gabriel > Woodfill who also married Gudgel sisters leaving Washington County after > the war. > captron > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook-Owensville, Gibson Co., IN Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:53:50 -0500 Newspaper Obit-Laverne GUDGEL, wife of Roy GUDGEL with handwritten notation by Roy- Laverne went away Feb. 13, 1958. DEATH CLAIMS ONE OF COMMUNITY'S MOST RESPECTED PERSONS, MRS. ROY GUDGEL Owesnville lost one of it's most beloved citizens last week with the death of Laverne CLARK GUDGEL on Thursday afternoon in the Gibson General Hospital. Mrs. GUDGEL, 68, had undergone major surgery for cancer at Mayo Clinic recently and her death was not unexpected. She had operated a dressmaking and designing shop here for nearly forty years and in that time had designed and made all types of dresses and costumes. She was known throughout southern Indiana for her exceptional talents in the sewing field. Mrs. GUDGEL was a memeber of the Blythe Chapel Methodist Church and the American Legion Auxiliary Unit No. 51. She is survived by her husband, Roy; sisters, Mrs. Edith OBERLEAS and Mrs. Versa NETTLETON, and a brother Everett CLARK. Funeral services were held Saturday afternoon in the Holder Funeral Chapel with the Rev. Ray Thompson and the Rev. E.H. Hancock officiating. Burial was in the Clark Cemetery. ****************************************************** Graduation Program for Nellie Laverne CLARK, April 13, 1910, Owensville High School. (Roy GUDGEL's wife.) ****************************************************** Funeral Home Announcement-Death of Mrs. LaVerne GUDGEL, b. October 2, 1889, d. Feb. 13, 1958 ****************************************************** Photograph of Roy GUDGEL, one year old. Photographer was Gray and McGary, Princeton, IN. ****************************************************** Gibson Co., IN School Report Card-Montgomery Township., Year-189__? Student: Roy GUDGEL. Grade 1, Year 1, School #7 Parent signature: Abraham GUDGEL Teacher signature: Alfred Williams (Good Student) ****************************************************** From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Roy GUDGEL scrapbook-Owensville, Gibson Co., IN Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:27:34 -0500 Photograph-Bethlehem Genral Baptist Church- handwritten notation- Our old home church where father and mother went-to the old church- not this one- the same place the old one was. Handwritten note- Mother went away Saturday night, Pctpber 9, 1915. Roy GUDGEL Clipping- Salute to the Services- Mr. and Mrs. Morton GUDGEL, Owensville rural route, have received word that their grandson, James COPLEN, has been sent to the Naval Training base at San Diego. His address is James R. Coplen, Jr., 52 Co-0385, U.S.N.T.C. Camp Elliott, San Diego, CA. Handwritten note: Laverne GUDGEL's father and mother: Lenora Agnes STONE born Dec. 7th 1867. Father: Allison Stone born June 2, 1862. (note from Linda-Laverne was Roy's wife. The surname STONE may be important here. I am told the only families interested in the GUDGEL Cemetery in Gibson Co. are the GUDGEL and STONE families.). ****************************************************** Clipping-No Date Deaths-Funerals F.W. (Bill) PRITCHETT Ft. Branch-F.W. PRITCHETT, 56, died at 9 a.m. Friday, of a heart attack while at work at the Southern Indiana Gas and Electric Company, Ft. Branch. He was a member of the Fort Branch Masonic Lodge, Scottish Rite of Evansville and Shrine of Evansville. He was serving as President of the Gibson Co. Shrine Club. He leaves the wife, Alma; a brother, Hovey of Indianapolis; and a half-sister, Mrs. Charles Sides of Ft. Branch. He was born July 31, 1901, in Ft. Branch and was a life long resident at Ft. Branch. Funeral arrangements are incomplete at the Laib Funeral Home, Ft. Branch. ****************************************************** Clipping-Obit-no date Dr. James O. BLYTHE, Sr., 69 of 508 Oakley St. died at 5 a.m. Saturday at his home after an illness of 3 months. Before retiring in 1950 he had practived denistry in Evansville for 38 years. After being graduated from the IU School of Dentistry in 1912, Dr. BLYTHE opened offices at 414 Main St., next to the Old National Bank. Later, he moved his offices to the Old Walgreen Building, 4th and Main Sts. He was the last surviving charter member of the Hilltop Club, a recreational group. An avid fisherman, he was also a member of Long Pond Fishing Club and Evansville Athletic Club. Surviving are his wife, Anne; a daughter, Mrs. Betty Smith, wife of Dr. Clarence Smith, Evansville dentist; three sons, Dr. James O. Blythe, Jr.. Navy Commander and public health official at Norfolk, VA. and Robert and William R. of Evansville; three brothers, Thomas, of Owensville; William of Evansville, and Russell of Indianapolis; two sisters, Mrs. Pearl Johnson of Johnson, and Mrs. Fannie Wellman of Princeton; 12 grandchildren, nieces and nephews. Services at 10 a.m. Tuesday in Fountain Terrace Chapel, with Rev, A.H. Chap officiating. Burial in the Park Lawn Cemetery. The body is in Fountain Terrace Chapel. ******************************************************* Obit with picture of Rev, J.C. Cummins. undated. Notation by Roy GUDGEL: The man that baptised Roy and ___?___. Picture of Rev. William N. Dresel with notation by Roy GUDGEL: Rev. Dresel married Roy and Laverne (Jan.?) 10, 1918. Two tintype pictures: Roy GUDGEL and (Allig?) Scott and Roy GUDGEL ****************************************************** Obit- dated 1944 Mrs. Luella CAMP, 75, Ft. Branch, Is Dead. Mrs. Luella CAMP, 75, died at 9:15 o'clock Sunday night at the home of her sister, Mrs. Silas , northwest of Ft. Branch. Funeral services will be held at 2 o'clock Wednesday afternoon at Bethlehem Church with the Rev. Jett Reynolds officiating. Burial will be in Clark Cemetery. The remains will be at the Laib Funeral Home until the funeral hour. Surviving are two sons, Cecil and Cyrus CAMP, of Princeton; a daughter, Mrs. Roy WATKINS, Princeton; two sisters, Mrs. WARD and Mrs. U.B. REYNOLDS, Ft. Branch; four brothers, Morton GUDGEL, Cynthiana; Arthur and Roy GUDGEL, Owensville; Joe GUGDEL, Dayton, OH, eight grandchildren and two great-grandchildren. ******************************************************** From: "Nancy Miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook-Owensville, Gibson Co., IN Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:36:34 -0800 Linda, I'm confused. In this episode, we have Roy's wife as Laverne CLARK GUDGEL. In the next one you have the handwritten note that Laverne GUDGEL's father and mother were Lenora Agnes STONE and Allison STONE. Can you clear up my confusion on Laverne GUDGEL's maiden name? Thanks. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Date: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook-Owensville, Gibson Co., IN >Newspaper Obit-Laverne GUDGEL, wife of Roy GUDGEL with handwritten notation >by Roy- Laverne went away Feb. 13, 1958. > >DEATH CLAIMS ONE OF COMMUNITY'S MOST RESPECTED PERSONS, MRS. ROY GUDGEL > >Owesnville lost one of it's most beloved citizens last week with the death <>> (bg) From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Parents of Laverne Clark GUDGEL Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:48:36 -0500 Nancy- After reading further in some of the obits, I find one for Laverne's mother, Nora Clark. Apparently Roy GUDGEL made a mistake in his handwritten note. The obits states that Laverne Clark GUDGEL was the daughter of Lenora STONE and Allison Clark. Lenora (Nora) passed away Jan. 30, 1935. She was a resident of Owensville, IN and married Allison CLARK October 5, 1884. BTW, Lenora STONE was the dau. of Henry and Sarah E. STONE. Hope this explains it better. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Happy New Year-2001 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:15:03 -0500 This last post concludes the information from Roy GUDGEL's scrapbook. I feel I have gotten to know Mr. GUDGEL from reading all about his family. There were many, many other items that didn't pertain to the GUDGEL's but were special to him. Mr. GUDGEL appeared to be a very religious person and was very lonely after the death of his wife, Laverne. His church was important to him and he must have had many acquaintances and friends. I am happy to say that I have found a descendant who is pleased I will be forwarding this to as soon as I have copied some of the articles for my own files. Juanita GUDGEL DIORIO (who is on our list) tells me that Roy GUDGEL was her uncle. Since no one else closer in relation came forward I will be forawrding it to her. Happy New Year to all my GUDGEL and nee GUDGEL family. May 2001 be a year of happiness, health and good fortune to you all! Best Wishes, Linda from Kentucky Message-ID: <001701c073a1$3a35b0e0$9b14fcd1@lindascomputer> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: ROY GUDGEL scrapbook-Owensville, IN Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:06:18 -0500 Clipping-no date ROY GUDGEL HONORED AT BIRTHDAY DINNER In honor of the birthday of Roy GUDGEL which was Monday, November 21, the immediate members of his family were invited to help him celebrate the occasion Sunday. At the noon hour a bountiful dinner was served. The centerpiece was a birthday cake inscribed with "Happy Birthday," surrounded by candles, baked by Mrs. GUDGEL. Silas WARD gave the invocation. The afternoon was spent in conversation and taking pictures of the family. Those present were Mr. and Mrs. Roy GUDGEL, Mr. and Mrs. P.M. GUDGEL, Dr. and Mrs. U.B. REYNOLDS, Mr. and Mrs. Silas WARD, and Mr. and Mrs. Arthur GUDGEL. One brother, O.J. GUDGEL, and his wife, were unable to attend. A niece, Mrs. EMERSON, and daughter, Reba, assisted with the preparations and serving of the dinner. Linda Sue GUDGEL was an afternoon guest. ****************************************************** Funeral Home Notice: ARTHUR T. GUDGEL b. December 1, 1878 d. January 2, 1961 Interment: Clark Cemetery Holder Funeral Chapel ****************************************************** Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Happy New Year! To all of my Gudgel cousins...May you all be blessed with health and happiness and the love of family in the new year!! Your participation in this list does enrich my life and I am always excited to receive your posting! Thank you!! Linda - Thankyou so much for transcribing the Roy GUDGEl scrapbook. I too feel I have gotten to know Roy. Like him, many of my Gudgel relatives are loving, kind people with a love of family and friends. Mia From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: New Year wishes Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:26:28 -0800 Hello cousins. I hope you all have a wonderful year 2001 and many more to come. I've really enjoyed meeting all of you through your postings and Gudgel archives. I've read all the archives and made family sheets for almost all the family lines. I've used one full ream of printer paper so far and have it all in a notebook with divisions for each of Andrew Sr.'s children's descendents. Then I found that I had to devise an index database on the computer in order to locate them in the notebook.(g) I guess I'll have to break down and buy a family history program like some of you are using. Linda, thank you for all the good work on Roy Gudgel. I was able to make a family sheet for his father, Abraham and his brothers and sisters. Unfortunately, Roy didn't have any children, so he didn't get a sheet. Thank you all, and have a good year. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Roy GUDGEL scrapbook Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:14:51 -0500 Happy New Years Day To Everyone- I appreciate all of the positive comments and words of appreciation from everyone whether through the list or private. I really enjoyed submitting this information and felt it would be helpful to many others. Now that I have completed this project I will sort of miss it . I want to offer a toast to each of you for the new year. Glasses raised? "May we all find our most elusive ancestor in 2001." *******Clink***********! I'm assuming we all clinked together (hehehe). Best Wishes, Linda From: "mw" To: "Gudgel, Wm E" This is Esther Ann Gudgel d/o Abraham & Betsy Burch Gudgel who married = 1st John Sager and 2nd to John Wingert. Am in process of getting a photo album that has many photos of Gudgel? = ancestors that are unnamed. Will share some of those when I get it. = Maybe together we can get some of them a name. I am sending a copy of this to the Gudgel list, though I do not know if = it is allowed. If not, I am sorry, and will not send any others. Mary in snowy cold southern Illinois. Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Untitled-1.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAgEAlgCWAAD/7X0QUGhvdG9zaG9wIDMuMAA4QklNA+0AAAAAABAAlgAAAAEA AQCWAAAAAQABOEJJTQPzAAAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAAE4QklNJxAAAAAAAAoAAQAAAAAAAAACOEJJTQP1 AAAAAABIAC9mZgABAGxmZgAGAAAAAAABAC9mZgABAKGZmgAGAAAAAAABADIAAAABAFoAAAAGAAAA <> To: mwingert@midwest.net Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:48:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Photo Hi Mary, Thanks for sending the photo of Esther Ann GUDGEL. She is in my Family Line. She is the Daughter of my gg Grandfather, Abraham GUDGEL, Jr. married to Anna Elizabeth (Betsey) BURCH GUDGEL. In fact, I am fairly sure that I sent you a photo of her brother, William Stephen GUDGEL (my g grandfather). I would like to run it and a few others in the newsletter. Is that OK with you? Do you have others photos in this family line? You don't by chance have a photo of Abraham GUDGEL, Jr. and or his Father Abraham GUDGEL, Sr. do you? Have a great week, Bill GUDGEL, GFC Newsletter Editor On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:43:16 -0600 "mw" writes: > This is Esther Ann Gudgel d/o Abraham & Betsy Burch Gudgel who > married 1st John Sager and 2nd to John Wingert. > Am in process of getting a photo album that has many photos of > Gudgel? ancestors that are unnamed. Will share some of those when I > get it. Maybe together we can get some of them a name. > I am sending a copy of this to the Gudgel list, though I do not know > if it is allowed. If not, I am sorry, and will not send any others. > Mary in snowy cold southern Illinois. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:01:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: happy new year and picture attachments Happy new year! Due to the pain in the it is to delete attachments from the gudgel-list archives, I would rather they be sent to me and I will put them up on the picture page of my Gudgel web site pronto. Mary, would you please, (if you get the chance), email me that photo so I can put it up? Thanks, and happy new year to all! Bob Gudgel Everett, WA www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgel.htm --OR-- www.gudgel.org From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re Catherine Elizabeth Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:06:12 -0800 Hi everyone. I came across a bit of information while searching the Pancake genforum list. A poster by the name of Ephraim Herriott submitted a list of ancestors of Edward Pancake. It was a very detailed list with ancestors back to Jost Pancake and Maria Agness. Their children were listed and among the children was Catherine Elizabeth b. abt 1731 in Franconia Twp. married Andrew Gottschall between 1750 - 1751. On the same forum, another poster by the name of Bob Juch, said he had many Pancakes on his database. He gave his address as www.Juch.org. I looked up that file, and he had the same information about Catherine Elizabeth, being the child of Jost and Maria Agnes and marrying Andrew Gottschall. Andrew Sr. was born in 1727 and Catherine E. b. abt 1731. They would be about the right age for each other, but He would be her uncle. Maybe that didn't matter much in those days. Lets hear from some of you real time researchers about this. What do you think? Maybe you have already debunked it. Sounds exciting if it is true. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gudgel list reaches 60 subscribers! Hello cybercousins (+ cyber dad/sister), I just did a spot check, and found that we now have 60 (sixty) subscribers to this mail list. Pretty cool, huh? Keep up the good posts! Great stuff! BTW, Vivian, what was the file on the www.Juch.org site you were referencing? There's lots there. Thanks, Bob Gudgel Everett, WA. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Misc. GUDGEL Data From The Internet and other stuff. Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:56:55 -0500 Hi Folks- Hope everyone has had a restful and relaxing few days off between Christmas and New Years. I got my tree and decorations put away on Monday, New Year's Day. For the life of me I can't seem to get them put away before New Year's Day and I always think of what my mother once said....."It's bad luck to start a New Year with an old tree." Sure doesn't make me think this is my lucky year, huh? Does anyone else have a tradition about taking down the Christmas tree and/or decorations? BTW-my daughter's basset hound puppy (9 months old) ate two of my antique glass ornaments!....literally chewed them up and swallowed them. We called the vet and they just told us to watch her. Guess there wasn't a lot they could do. Imagine me in the backyard...in the dark...with a flashlight....looking for anything "shiney" in the remains of her evening yard visit. Enough of that I guess....but it was funny . She was fine and had no problems we knew of. ****************************************************** Two obits in the Evansville, IN Courier Newspaper: Archived obits were not available but here is a brief note: Lloyd GUDGEL, 92, Boonville, IN died 3/1/2000. Pauline GUDGEL, 91, Evansville, IN, died 9/11/2000 Anyone know who these people were? ******************************************************** 1810 Census, Luzerne Twp., Fayette Co., PA 2496 GUDGELL, Stephen 001001001000 2442 GUDGELL, Daniel 103010000100 Males less than 10 Males 10-16 Males 16-26 Males 26-45 Males 45 and over Females less than 10 Females 10-16 Females 16-26 Females 26-45 Females 45 and over ******************************************************** Bean's History of Montgomery Co., PA, pg. 946: In list of 13 original members of landowners: Christian ALIBACK (ALLEBACH) ******************************************************* Colorado State Archives Arapahoe Co. Old Age Pension Records, 1933-1936: Francis M. GUDGELL #125 ******************************************************* Pedigree: Richard LYNAM b. Sept. 11, 1789 Lincoldn Co., KY/Garrard Co., KY married Sarah (Sally) HUNT February 16, 1812 Garrard Co., KY. Sarah b. March 3, 1794 Bourbon Co., KY; d. ca. 1865 Bath Co., KY. One daughter, Artimecia LYNAM, b. 1835 Bath Co., KY married (1) WOODSON GUDGELL (2) Richard GREEN. ******************************************************* Descendants of William Lee: Nancy HORMELL married Samuel GUDGEL. Sam b. 1780. 2 children: Catherine and Eleanor. (I would love to know who this is. I emailed the submitter-waiting to hear from him). ******************************************************** If anyone cares to comment, please send to the list so that we can all benefit from this. More later, Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Gudgel list reaches 60 subscribers! Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:10:50 -0800 Hi Bob, I scrolled down through the family history to a section MCNEILL & RELATED FAMILIES IN W.VA. & OHIO. Click on that and scroll down through the article to the end. There you will find a SURNAME LIST. Click on that and look for the name GOTTSCHALL. You will find three listed, Andrew, Frederick and Maria Agness. Maria Agness will take you to Jost Pfannenkucken. Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re Stephen and Daniel Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:19:50 -0800 Linda, I believe that this census record is for Daniel, the disabled son of old Daniel mentioned in Daniel's will, giving Stephen custody of his brother. I think Daniel Jr. lived his whole life with Stephen. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: re Stephen and Daniel Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:20:38 -0800 OOPS! I didn't check the census numbers before I wrote. However, I think that the Stephen is Daniel's son. He was married in 1808 and born in 1787 making him 23 yrs. old. He had a girl, Mary, born 1810 and his wife Sarah, was born 1786, making her 24 yrs. old. That fits the Stephen numbers. I don't fit the numbers for Daniel Sr. though. He had 3 minor boys in 1814 when they were mentioned on that deed. Daniel Jr. would be 19 in 1810. Daniel Sr. would have been 65. I can't place the male under 10. Lydia and Stephen were married and probably Amy too since she moved away in 1814. Sorry, I jumped to conclusions without checking thoroughly. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:35:26 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Re: Dan Gudgel info from old e-mail by Terri Montigy Cousins, Several of you have done research on Daniel and I have pulled out a few of the old e-mails. We still don't know his relationship to Andrew. >From Terri: For those of you that don't have it. Here is the information I have on Daniel Gudgel. My Great Great Great Great Grandparents Daniel Gudgel and Rachel Gause It is unclear whether Rachel and Daniel met in Chester County or in Fayette County. In the Kennett Monthly Meeting it is noted that Rachel Goss, daughter of Charles, married out of union on December 14, 1780. Although, it does not show her being disowned there is no additional information on them in any Quaker records. This would mean that Daniel was not a Quaker or that he had been previously disowned by the Quakers. If this is true, that may be why her father placed Rachel's inheritance in a trust for her and her children. (Charles Gause mentioned both Amy and her husband in his will, but not Daniel.) In "The Harlan Family" by A. H. Harlan, it mentions that Daniel was a blacksmith. It is not clear where Daniel Gudgel came from originally or who his parents where. There are times and places that link Daniel to an Andrew Gudgel, but not a relationship. The earliest documentation on Andrew puts him in Bucks County, Pennsylvania in 1758. The first sign of Daniel Gudgel is in Fayette County, Pennsylvania. Follow the paperwork trail. The following spellings are taken exacting as they are written. Neither Daniel nor Rachel ever signed their name, the signature was always "their mark". The spellings are from a third party, who wrote the name as it sounded. 1780 December 14 Rachel Goss married out of union. (Kennett MM, Chester Co., PA) 1784 Gudgel, Daniel Dec Sessions, Fayette Co, PA. Regarding road from Josiah Crawfords ferry to Uniontown. (Ellis, History of Fayette County, PA) Report of a road from Josiah Crawford's ferry on the Monongahela River to Union Town . . .beginning at the river at said ferry . . . to Daniel Gudgel's . . .to Coxes Run . . . to Samuel Douglas' mill . . . to Dunlaps Creek at Amos Hough's mill . . .to the road leading from James Crawford's ferry to Union Town. . . (LaFayette, V8#4, Jan 1990) 1785 Gudel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1786 Gudgett, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1787 Gudgeal, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1787 Gudel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township (Two entries made for 1787. Two different Daniel's or maybe paying for someone else?) 1787 Stephen Gudgel Born. Age 62 in 1850 census. Born PA. (Sept 7, 1787 Harlan) 1788 Gugel, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1789 Guttche?, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1790 Gutchel, Daniel 1790 Census, Fayette Co, PA Luzerne Township (Daniel -head of household, 3 males under 16, 3 females) 1791 Daniel Gudgel Woodford County, KY Taxpayers 1791 Daniel Jr. Gudgel Born. Age 59 in 1850 census. Born Kentucky. 1792 Daniel Gudgel Woodford County, KY Taxpayer 3 horses, 5 cattle 1794 Daniel Gudshall Woodford County, KY Taxpayer 1795 Daniel Gudshall Woodford County, KY Taxpayers 1796 Daniel Gudshall Woodford County, KY Taxpayers 1 horse 1796 Lydia Gudgell Married Henry Strucker - Woodfield Co, Kentucky Note: Daniel does not show up in the tax records in Woodfield Co, KY in 1797. 1797 ?Gudgill, Daniel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1799 ?Guthel, Danel Fayette County, PA Taxpayers, Luzerne Township 1809 Gudghall, Danel Mention of land in deed, Fayette County, PA, Book G pg 324. 1809 Gudgel, Daniel/Rachel Lived in Fayette Co. PA, Deed Book F, pg 272 1810 Gudgell, Daniel Fayette County, PA Census, Luzerne Township 1814 Gudgells Sold land in PA. See note below * 1814 Gudgel, Daniel (May 31) Bought 176 Acres Jefferson Co, IN Tract Book 1815 Gudgell, Daniel/Rachel Sold land to Henry Stucker, Jefferson Co, IN, Deed book C pg 464 (Very possibly their son-in-law) *On March 31, 1814 Rachel Gause Gudgell sold the land that she received from her father in his will. The deed mentions that Rachel and Daniel are both living in Luzerne Township, Fayette County, PA at this time. $610 was paid for the land by Elijah Crawford Senior of Fayette County. Because the land was given to Rachel and her children, the children were mentioned on the deed (deed book k, page 184). The children mentioned are: Amy Gudgell, daughter of said Daniel Gudgell, married to John Newburn. Living in Luzerne Township, Fayette County, State of Pennsylvania at this time. Stephen Gudgell, son of Daniel, married to Sarah Phillips. Living in Luzerne Township, Fayette County, State of Pennsylvania at this time. Lydia Gudgell, daughter of Daniel and Rachel Gudgell, married to Henry Strucker. They have moved to the Indiana Territory at this date. Then there are three of the children of Daniel and Rachel Gudgell yet minors: Isaac Nathan Mahlone There are a couple things that are off here. 1) There is no mention of Daniel Jr. Gudgel, who has already been mentioned as a nephew to Mary Gause (her will, dated 1810). Daniel Jr. is also mentioned in Daniel's will as his son (will dated 1819, Jefferson County, IN) Daniel [Jr.] is in the 1850 census noted as an "idiot". It is possible that he was blind, deaf, or retarded. It is strange that they don't mention him at all. 2)The deed mentions Amy and Stephen children of Daniel, but mentions Lydia, Isaac, Nathan and Mahlone, children of both Daniel and Rachel. However, if these were not Rachel's children, would they have to sign the deed to sell their inheritance? The never ending questions! Children of Daniel Gudgel and Rachel Gause 1) Stephan Gudgel was born 1787 in Pennsylvania and he died 1870 in Tiskilwa, Illinois. He married Sarah Phillips, born March 31, 1786 in Chester Co., Pennsylvania and died 1879 in Tiskilwa, Illinois. They were married September 14, 1808, in Brownsville, Fayette County, Pennsylvania.. Stephan was most likely a farmer. He and his family moved to Jefferson County, Indiana in 1814, the same year as his parents, and then to Bureau County, Illinois in 1856. Both Stephan and Sarah left wills in Bureau County, Illinois. (See below) They had the following children: Mary P Gudgel b. Jan 20, 1810 at Brownsville, Fayette Co, PA. Married Jacob Bowman, May 21, 1831. (May 26, 1832?) Lived in Tiskilwa, Illinois. (Jacob also came to Bureau County, Illinois in 1856) James Harlan Gudgel, b. November 15, 1811 at Brownsville, Fayette, County Penn. Married Elizabeth Harner 1832. Later moved to Adel, IA Thornton B. Gudgel, farmer, b. August 20, 1819 in Jefferson County, Indiana. Married Sarah Hughes (b. Ireland). Thornton died 1876 at Philadelphia, PA. Their children include: Mary Jane Gudgel, born Jan 27, 1845 in Jefferson County Indiana. She married Rolla Oliver Phillips (her first Cousin). Lived in Lincoln, Nebraska. The following is a little information taken from "The Harlan Family" by A.H. Harlan. The reason it is included is because there may be some clues to help explain the Gudgel family. Sarah Phillips was the daughter of Mary Harlan and Evan Phillips. She was described as a "friend", probably Quaker. (The Gause family also were Quakers.) She was born in Chester Co, Pennsylvania and moved with her parents to Brownsville, Fayette Co, PA. (The Gause family also moved from Chester Co, PA to Fayette Co, PA, although, probably much earlier, judging from the dates.) Sarah had two brothers, that we know of: Evan Phillips, a carpenter, a friend, born June 9, 1791 in Fayette County, Pennsylvania married February 26, 1814 in Luzerne Township, Fayette Co, to Sarah Chalfant Evan and Sarah moved to Greene County, Penn in 1814 and they both died there. They had eleven children. Eli Phillips, a tailor, Friend born August 13, 1796, New Castle Co, Delaware Married 1824 Jemima Oliver in Greene County, Penn died Lincoln, Lancaster Co, Nebraska. Buried with his wife at Jefferson Green Co, PA. They had the following children: Rolla Oliver Phillips (I think, parents listed as Eli and Mary - perhaps her middle name) who married Mary Jane Gudgel (Episcopalian). See notes above. Will of Stephen Gudgel, son of Daniel Gudgel. Filed May 18th 1871 Will dated April 28, 1870 Appoints wife to settle up all his affairs as he would do. When wife has collected she is to divide between the three children and retain sufficient amount for her own use. Mary J. Brown Mary Horner M. J. Gudgel (WHO IS THIS????) Sarah is living with her daughter and son-in-law Mary and Jacob Bowman in 1877. She is 91 years old. (tax information) Will of Sarah Gudgel, wife of Stephen Gudgel. Sarah died June 6, 1879 Filed June 6, 1879 Lived in Milo, Bureau County, Illinois. She was 89 when she wrote her will. She. . . 1) Leaves daughter, Mary Bowman, wife of Jacob Bowman all household goods and kitchen furniture and wearing apparel. 2) Leaves to son James Harlan Gudgel her gold watch. 3) The rest of her personal property to be divided equally between her three children, James Harlan Gudgel, Thornton B. Gudgel and daughter Mary Bowman, wife of Jacob Bowman. If son Thorton B. Gudgel should not survive her, his share is to be paid to his daughter, Mary Jane Phillips. She directs that all just debts and funeral expenses be paid as soon after her death as possible. She appoints Jacob Bowman to be the executor of her last will and testament. Witnessed the 10th day of February 1876. May 1889, James H. Gudgel was the administrator of the estate on the Application for Final Settlement. It lists himself, Mary Bowman and Mary Jane Phillips of interested parties. Children of Daniel Gudgel and Rachel Gause cont . . . 2) Amy Gudgel married John Newburn. They were married and resided in Fayette County, Pennsylvania in 1814, but it is unknown at this time whether they moved with the rest of the family to Indiana or stayed in Pennsylvania. 3) Lydia Gudgel born before 1782. She married Henry Stucker. It is said that she married Henry in Woodford County, Kentucky in 1796. I have not seen the marriage record. It is not known whether she stayed in Kentucky after her marriage. Lydia and Henry were known to be in the "Indiana Territory" in 1814. 4) Daniel Gudgel born. about 1791- died after 1850 was never married as far as we know. The 1850 census shows him living with Stephen and Sarah Gudgel in Jefferson County, Indiana. The census classified him as an "Idiot" as mentioned previously. He was noted as being 59 years old. 5) Isaac Gudgel born after 1796?. Was still a "minor child" in 1814, according to the deed. Isaac lived was in the 1820 census in Jefferson County, Indiana. It listed 2 girls between the ages of 10-15. There is also an Isaac Gudgel who shows up in the 1830 census in Ridgeville Township in Clinton County, Ohio. Charlotte Gudgel (Mahlon's wife) also shows up in Clinton County that year. There are two marriages in Clinton County, Ohio for an Isaac Gudgel. (1) Nancy Hormel - November 7, 1824 and (2) Sarah Swingler-July 23, 1829. 6) Nathaniel Gudgel born after 1796. Was still a "minor child" in 1814, according to the deed. Nathaniel married Rachel Chasteen on July 13, 1818 in Jefferson County, Indiana. 7) **Mahlon/Mahlan Gudgel: Born. after 1896 - died about 1841) Was still a "minor child" in 1814, according to the deed. Mahlon married Charlotte Snodgrass in Jefferson County, Indiana. Mahlon and Charlotte had five sons. More about them in the previous section. Will of Daniel Gudgel In the name of lord amen. I Daniel Gudgel of Jefferson, State of Indiana considering the uncertainly of this mortal life and being of sound mind and perfect understanding blessed be the almighty god for the for the same, do make and publish this my last will and testament in manner and form following - that is to say. 1st) I bequeath my soul to god that gave it and my body to be buried in a decent Christian like manner. 2) I bequeath to my beloved wife Rachel all my personal estate during her life the farming tool excepted and at her decease to go to my son Daniel. I also bequeath to my said son Daniel Gudgel forty five acres of land joining Jacob Stucker and Isaac Gudgel. I also will and bequeath to my son Nathaniel Gudgel the seventy acres of land I now live on and the farming tools of every description. But the said Nathaniel must give unto his mother every year the one third of all the grain that grows on said place. And or I have gave to my other sons, Stephen Isaac and Malon Gudgel and the have possession of what I allow for their party least (but) slice discretionary? of making one equal division. I will that my wife shall give to my son Malon at my decease the t___horse I possess. And to my other two sons - Stephen and Isaac and my two daughters I will to each of them one dollar. And it is my desire that my son Isaac should be my son Daniels guardian and to do the best for him that his ____ would dictate. And I also appoint my wife Rachel executor of this my last will and testament hereby revoking all former wills by me made in any ways in witness. Where of _______ ________ to set my hand and seal this 16th day of July in the year of our Lord One thousand eight hundred and nineteen. Daniel Gudgel His mark Signed sealed published and declared by the above named Dan'l Gudgel to be his last will and testament in the presence of us who have here unto subscribed our names as witness ______________. Sam'l McKinley Pamy McKinley Robert McKinley Recorded and Examined November 9th, 1821 Name Unreadable Found in Jefferson County, Indiana Transposed 6/97 TM Terri Montigny 6456 Havens Road Blacklick, OH 43004 Tmontigny@msn.com Another e-mail from '97 from Terri: Here's the scoop on what I know! Some of this information I got from Linda Gudgel Finnel. Others I have found myself from the counties I have visited. I have everything filed away, but if you have any questions let me know. Daniel Gudgel - (b. before 1755 - d. 1819? Jefferson County, IN) His will is located here, however I have never found a grave. M. Rachel Gause/Grause (got this information from Linda Gudgel Finnel). Rachel is mentioned in the will but have never found any other information on her. No grave, no census. There is a Daniel Gudgel in the 1810 census in Fayette County, PA. Male and Female (45-up) 3 boys (between 16 and 26) Lived in Luzerne Township. This information I got from a lady at the library in Fayette County in Uniontown, PA. This is why I want to go to Fayette County to do some research. Haven't found the 1790 census to look at the information. There was a Daniel GODSHALK who served in the Pennsylvania miltary. Accoding to the PA Archives he was born in the 1750's. He served form 1777 to 1780. Sent off for records (under that name) but there couldn't find any on him. It could have been someone else but it is still a lead that I want to follow - who knows. His children as listed in his will are: Stephen G. Gudgel (1781 PA - 1870 IL) m. Sarah Phillips (b approx 1877) Lydia Gudgel m. Henry Stucker 1796 in Woodford County, KY (Lived in Jefferson Co, IN in 1815 - land records) Daniel Gudgel (1791 KY - after 1850) Living with Stephen in 1850 census in IN. He was an "idiot" according to the census. Isaac Gudgel - (1794 - ? ) Lead: 1820 census lived in Jefferson Co, IN (wife and 2 girls under age of 10.) Found 2 marriage records later 1824 - Nancy Hormel - Clinton Co, OH - Nov 7 and Sarah Swingler July 23, 1829. I think they were his but could be another Isaac. MAHLON/MAHLAN GUDGEL m. Charlotte Snodgrass 1820, Jefferson County, IN. The following was taken from the "History of Bureau County" book. It was written up about on of Mahlon and Charlotte's son, William G GUDGELL. . . . was born Oct 1, 1827 in Warren County, Ohio. He is a son of Mahlon Gudgell, who was a native of PA, He was a farmer and shoe-maker by occupation, and died in OH. The grandfather of our subject was a soldier in the Revolutionary War. (Which Grandfather?? The wife of Mahlon Gudgell was Charlotte(Snodgrass Gudgell, who was the mother of five children, viz: STEPHAN, John, Samuel, William G. and Milton. Mrs. Gudgell died in Bureau County, aged eighty-four years. Our subject went to school in IN, and at the age of fourteen he commenced to form for himself on his widowed mother's farm. (Where was here from - OH or IN???). . . . Mahlon is a mystery - he is in the 1820 census in Jefferson Co, IN. Just him and Charlotte. 1830 census is Charlotte Gudgel in Warren Co, OH. and the 1840 census is Charlott Gudgel. Isaac Gudgel (Mahlon's Brother?) also in the same townships as Charlotte in 1830 and 1840. What happened to Mahlon???? According to the right up on William at age 14 it would have been 1841. So we know Charlotte would have been widowed by then - I don't know when he died. Have never found any grave in either Jefferson or Warren Co. Nathaniel Gudgel m. Rachel Chasteen in Jefferson County, IN July 13, 1818. May have been two other children who died young according to Linda. I will continue on with Mahlon's children later. I have to get my laundry done before my husband gets home! He'll wonder what I did all day! Ha. I would love to get your feedback on the above. Talk to you later. Terri Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:50:50 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Re Catherine Elizabeth Very interesting about Catherine Eliz Pancake, wife of Andrew Gottschall. It probably isn't unusual for Catherine to marry a Pancake and then have one of Andrew's sister's marry a Pancake too. I am assuming the information on Maria Agness and Jost Pancake refers to Andrew's sister? Perhaps you are meaning farther back in time than that. But anyway, if Catherine and Andrew got married in 1750ish, that would mean they had kids a yr or two before that as I recall? OK, I just looked up some infor and it says that Catherine and Andrew Gotschall baptized a daughter in the Tohickon Reformed Church, Bucks Co, PA on July 7, 1750 and another daughter in 1753. So it looks like Andrew and his sister did marry into the Pancake family. Good work. Now let's sort out the rest of his sisters--one of whom married John Krait/Trout. I have heard from the Pancake family that they believe Yost kids moved to W. Virginia or northern Virginia or southern PA perhaps in the late 1700s or 1800s. Does anyone know? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:44:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Misc. GUDGEL Data From The Internet and other stuff. From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hi Linda, Pauline Gudgel of Evansville, IN, was my Aunt. She was the 2nd wife of Clarence A. Gudgel, Son of William Edward Gudgel and Edna May Colpin (1st Mar.). He was my Father's Step Brother. I was intending to run the obit in a future issue of the newsletter with a short article about Clarence Gudgel. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:56:55 -0500 "Linda Gudgel Finnell" writes: > Hi Folks- > > ****************************************************** > Two obits in the Evansville, IN Courier Newspaper: Archived obits > were not <<>> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:07:08 -0500 From: Juanita Diorio To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Andrew's Will & Gudgel Cemetery Dear Lyle & Vivian, Several months ago you asked if someone has a copy of old Andrew Gudgel's Will. You have probably already received a copy from someone, but just in case you haven't, I'll send it. I found it in the library in Gibson County, Indiana last month. I'll also include a couple of other items that may be of interest. ************************ The Will of Andrew Gudshall Andrew Gudshall of the county of Knox Indiana Territory being weak of body but sound of mind calling to mind the mortality of man do make and ordain this my last will & testament in manner and form following viz - First I lind(?) and give the use of all the property household furniture kitchen furniture farming tools etc. together with all the land on which I now live and any of the appurtenances thereto belonging to my wife Elizabeth during her life for her use and maintenance. Secondly - after the death of my said wife Elizabeth Gudshall I will and desire the land on which I now live being sixty five acres adjoining Robt McGary on the south to my son William Gudshall and his heirs forever. Thirdly - It is my will and desire that all my property of all kinds, stock of horses, cattle and all kinds which may belong to my estate house and kitchen furniture tools etc. should be equally divided between my children Sophia Nancy and Hetty to be divided by persons chosen by my Executrix hereafter mentioned by valuation so as to supersede the use(?) of a sale to them and their heirs forever. Fourthly - It is my will and desire that my children not mentioned in this will should have and be legally entitled to the portions which I have already given them and no more. Fifthly - It is my will and desire that my wife Elizabeth Gudshall should act as executrix to this my last will and testament disannulling every other will whatsoever. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 21st day of January 1812. Tiste(?) Iamus(?) Smith Robt McGary Andrew Gudshall (seal) Proven in open court and ordered for record(?). R. M. Evans Clerk (Note: Words that I am uncertain of are followed by (?).) *********************** I also made a copy of the Gudgel Farm Cemetery record: GUDGEL, Elizabeth (d. 02 Oct 1823) Wife of A. With Footstone A.G/E.G. Age: 60 yrs. GUDGEL, Andrew (d.16 Aug 1815) Revolutionary War Vet. Age: 88 yrs. TEEL, William (b. 01 Jun 1787 d. 12 Jun 1832) With Footstone W.T. TEEL, Samuel L. (b. 20 Dec 1849 d. 09 Aug 1851) With Footstone S.L.T. TEEL, Nancy (b. 02 Dec 1797 d. 06 Oct 1878) SUMMERS, Oscar J. (b. 11 Aug 1955 d. 29 Sept 1856) Son of D.L. and L.C. Summers Age: 1 yr. 1 mo. 18 days GUDGEL, William (b. 11 Feb 1801 d. 22 Jan 1877) GUDGEL, Lucindia (b. 12 Dec 1806 d. 09 May 1887) Montgomery Township 99 Gudgel Cemetery ************* A story about the present day Gudgel farm house. In talking recently with my cousin, Ruth Gudgel Denning, about the present Gudgelfarm house, I learned an interesting story that was new to me. We all knowof the original log cabin built by Andrew that remained on the property untilit was donated in the 1950's to the Boy Scouts. (It had been used to housecattle for a number of years prior to donating it.) A second home near the log cabin was built by William GUDGEL, son of Andrew. This second house burned down when a cat knockedover a lantern. William rebuilt the house, setting a $1000 cost limit. He stoppedbuilding when the cost reached the limit and never finished the attic. Anorgan was put up there and couldn't be brought down because there was no completed stairway from the attic. It remains to thisday in the attic. My father was born and raised in that home, but I hadnever heard the attic story. It is these little stories that bring to life our ancestors, isn't it? Juanita Gudgel Diorio From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Great News Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:34:41 -0500 Bob- I think that's wonderful news that we have 60 subscribers to this list! I occasionally see a name from someone I don't recognize so how about all you "readers" introducing yourselves and telling us a bit about yourselves and how you fit into our tree? Don't be shy.......we love to hear from all of you. And like Mia, I too love getting mail from the list. And Bob, don't let us forget to say thank you a hundred times if necessary for getting this list going. ;-) Linda from cold and clinging snow Kentucky! Temp went to 25 today! From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. Great News No!! Thank Y O U !! (But, you're welcome a hundred and two times anyway) boB From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL Stuff Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:41:08 -0500 Juanita- Yes, these little stories we are gathering are definitely what good genealogy is all about. Names and dates are nice but these are the icing on the cake, I think. Good going! Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Catherine Elizabeth (PANCAKE?) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:36:54 -0500 Boy, this is sure a different twist. I never thought about that being a possibility of old Andrew's first wife's maiden name being PANCAKE. Got to think about this. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: From Marcita Morris Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:45:09 -0500 Thanks to Jeanette and Marcita for sharing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcita Morris" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Misc. GUDGEL Data From The Internet and other stuff. Does anyone else have a tradition > > about taking down the > > Christmas tree and/or decorations? > Linda: > > The tradition in our family--and I don't know where > it's from--is that we always left our tree up until > Epiphany, January 6, also known as Old Christmas. > Sometimes it was even left up until my birthday on > January 14. Of course, we usually put it up the > weekend after Thanksgiving, too. Right now, we've > taken down one of the three trees we had up [all > artificial, we're allergic to pine]. We had one in > the living room for the presents to go under, a white > one in the dining room, and one in the kitchen > decorated with Christmas plastic eating utensils. > > Marcita Morris > > Rupert Clinton Morris > Pamily Jane Smith> Mary > Elizabeth Crossfield> Amanda Gudgel> Elija Gudgel > > > Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Misc. GUDGEL Data From The Internet and other stuff. > Anyone know who these people were? > ******************************************************* > Colorado State Archives > Arapahoe Co. Old Age Pension Records, 1933-1936: > Francis M. GUDGELL #125 I have a Francis Gudgel from the Denver area. Arapahoe Co. in where Aurora, CO is located and it is right next to Denver: Descendants of Francis Roy Gudgel (son of Francis Marion Gudgel and Julia A. Swanson) 1 Francis Roy Gudgel b: 31 July 1887 in Gresham, York Co., NE d: September 1965 in Denver, CO +Caroline Piester b: 18 September 1890 in Alliance, Box Butte Co., NE d: 6 May 1973 in Denver, CO m: 3 June 1909 in York, York Co., NE ...... 2 Ruby Rachel Gudgel b: 27 June 1910 in Gresham, York Co., NE .......... +Howard Wright d: 1982 ...... *2nd Husband of Ruby Rachel Gudgel: .......... +Charles F. Sheader d: 1982 m: 14 April 1929 ...... 2 Albert Gudgel b: 28 June 1912 in Gresham, York Co., NE d: 26 January 1963 .......... +Frona Colomino m: 29 March 1913 ...... 2 Myrtle Mae Gudgel b: 11 March 1920 in Gering, Scotts Bluff Co., NE d: 13 August 1981 .......... +Bernard Surratt m: 8 January 1938 ******************************************************* > Pedigree: > > Richard LYNAM b. Sept. 11, 1789 Lincoldn Co., KY/Garrard Co., KY > married Sarah (Sally) HUNT February 16, 1812 Garrard Co., KY. > Sarah b. March 3, 1794 Bourbon Co., KY; d. ca. 1865 Bath Co., KY. One > daughter, Artimecia LYNAM, b. 1835 Bath Co., KY married (1) WOODSON GUDGELL > (2) Richard GREEN. I have one Woodson Gudgell (son of Thomas Fletcher Gudgell and Mary Magdalena Powers) but it doesn't quite fit... 1870 Federal Census Wyoming Precinct Bath County, Kentucky page 3 (113) 24 GUDGELL, M. Woodson 30 Farmer 1500 1420 KY Mary Ann 21 KY Sarah M. 6 KY Geo. H. 1 KY ******************************************************* As always, if anyone has any corrections or additions jump right in! Mia From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Mary Elizabeth Crossfield SMITH Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:54:28 -0500 Marcita- Glad to see you added a tag line with your lineage to your email message. Elijah GUDGEL Amanda GUDGEL Mary Elizabeth CROSSFIELD Pamily Jane SMITH Rupert Clinton MORRIS I am also descended from Elijah GUDGEL(L). All I had on Mary Elizabeth CROSSFIELD was that she married James H. SMITH in 1865 (where?). Also had only two children: Anna Dora SMITH b. Dec. 22, 1871 and John Woodford SMITH. Who were the rest of the children and do you have any dates and/or locations of birth, spouses, chidlren, death, interment, etc. BTW, where are you located? Linda From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:39:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Yost Pannekuch According to information on the Pancake site, Yost Pannekuch and Yost Shenier purchased some land in 1727. Yost Pannekuch also signed a road petition that year. Since 1727 was the year old Andrew was born, we can see that Yost Pannekuch could easily have had a daughter in Andrew's generation. But was Catharine Elizabeth also his sister's (Agnes) daughter? Just another item to throw in ---- There was a restaurant in Rochester, Minnesota, called Pannekuchins (spelled something like this). It serves either Dutch or German food along with other fare and is decorated in Delft. The owner also sells some of the newer Deflt blue and white items made in Holland. My kitchen is full of these items. I always loved to go there and had no idea that I might have a Pannekuch connection! Ardath Potts Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:16:25 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: aap109@webtv.net Subject: Re: Yost Pannekuch Ardath, Do you know from the Pancake site where the Pancake family was located in 1727 when they purchased some land? If it happened to be in Philadelphia area then we might have some hope of doing more tracing of the Pancake family and the daughters' marriage including the first Andrew Gudgel daughters' marriages and maybe Andrew's wife's death record. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: re Catherine Eliz Pancake info Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:58:59 -0800 Dianne The genforum site address for the pancake genealogy list submitted by Mr. Harriett is as follows: http://genforum.genealogy.com/pancake/messages/159html The other site for Bob Juch is www.Juch.org Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:58:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: Yost Pannekuch Diane, the tract of 130 acres was in the central part of Franconia township. They erected a house on the Allentown road at Franconia Square. Pannekuch opened a tavern in 1740 , also on Allentown road. If you go to the Pancake site, this information falls under "Counties" - Philadelphia, Montgomery, and Bucks. There is much more information on these pages. I wonder if Yost had another wife, before Agnes, and if Catherine Elizabeth belonged to Yost . but not to Agnes. Just a theory. There is much mention of a Philip Pancake , a Revolutionary War officer, who was a grocer in Philadelphia. Ardath Potts From: "Lowell Pankake" Subject: Catherine Pancake & Andrew Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:58:43 -0600 Before we get too excited about the supposed marriage of Andrew Gudgel and Catherine Elizabeth Pancake I think we better find out what Mr. Herriott's source is for this information. I'll write to him today. Lowell Pankake pankake@usfamily.net www.usfamily.net/web/pankake ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:06:59 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Lowell Pankake Subject: Re: Catherine Pancake & Andrew Thank you very much for bringing up this very important issue of sources of information. Yes we should find out what the sources are before we get to carried away in either direction. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: Re Catherine Eliz Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:06:53 -0800 Thanks Lowell. I was wondering when you would get your 2 cents in. I got excited about this when I found the same info on the Bob Juch site too. One good thing has come of it, lots of gudgels are looking at the Lowell Pancake site.. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: Re: re Catherine Eliz Pancake info Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:24:15 -0800 Dianne Sorry that address did not work try this . Leave off the message number 159. use this address instead. www.genforum.genealogy.com/pancake/ I think the site is just slow because so many of us are accessing it. I just tried this last address and it worked. vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: Re: re Catherine Eliz Pancake info > Vivian, > Thanks for sending the web site addresses. But I could not > find the genforum pancake site. I got the message that the site > could "not be found." I wonder what happened. > > Dianne Gudgel-Holmes > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Possible PANCAKE Connection Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:44:43 -0500 I agree with Dianne and Lowell- Let's get something more solid before we go off on a wild goose chase . Somehow I have a feeling it was an error but I'd be thrilled if it were not. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Misc. GUDGEL Data From The Internet and other stuff. Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:58:44 -0500 In answer to Mia's response to the following data I submitted: > > > Anyone know who these people were? > > ******************************************************* > > Pedigree: > > > > Richard LYNAM b. Sept. 11, 1789 Lincoldn Co., KY/Garrard Co., KY > > married Sarah (Sally) HUNT February 16, 1812 Garrard Co., KY. > > Sarah b. March 3, 1794 Bourbon Co., KY; d. ca. 1865 Bath Co., KY. One > > daughter, Artimecia LYNAM, b. 1835 Bath Co., KY married (1) WOODSON GUDGELL > > (2) Richard GREEN. > MIA SAID-------- > I have one Woodson Gudgell (son of Thomas Fletcher Gudgell and > Mary Magdalena Powers) but it doesn't quite fit... > > 1870 Federal Census > Wyoming Precinct > Bath County, Kentucky > page 3 (113) > > 24 GUDGELL, M. Woodson 30 Farmer 1500 1420 KY > Mary Ann 21 KY > Sarah M. 6 KY > Geo. H. 1 KY > ******************************************************* >From Linda: I have two Woodson B. GUDGELL's from Bath Co., KY: Strangely, neither seem to sit if my info. is right. One Woodson GUDGELL b. 10-9-1929 Bath Co., KY, d. about 1964. Served in WWII and after the War was killed in a training mission accident. A plane crash that killed 17 men. The time frame and dates don't fit on this one. The Woodson GUDGELL listed above in your census information was marr. (1) to Serepta Frances LYMAN (2) to Mary Ann ATCHISON b. Feb. 25, 1849, KY, d. Sept. 14, 1884. Marr. October 21, 1863 Bath Co., KY. Children: Heorge H., W.A. (infant), and Sarah Margaret (marr. Warren Bailey). Now I am really confused on this one. Who was this WOODSON GUDGELL that married Artimecia LYNAM?? Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Woodson Bryan GUDGELL Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:47:20 -0500 Chuck- Thanks for correcting the fact that one Woodson Bryan GUDGELL was not in WWII. My information came from Anna Manley of Bath Co., KY. She apparently was mistaken. Linda From: "STEPHEN GUDGEL MONTROSS" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Misc. GUDGEL Data From The Internet and other stuff. Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:53:37 +0100 Well, here I sit in Barcelona on Epiphany listening to Christmas carols with the tree fully decorated and the lights on while answering Linda's question about taking down your tree. I don't know about Spanish traditions in America, but here Epiphany (Los Reyes/Els Reis) "the Kings" is every bit as important as Christmas. People don't always have Xmas trees here, but those who do usually put them up by Xmas Eve. Any time after Dec. 1st is okay, but people tend not to start so early. Traditionally, the manger scene has been more important. They can be quite elaborate, covering a whole table top and using sand and straw. Here people tradtionally did not put Baby Jesus in the manger until Dec. 24th and the Three Kings are kept far from the manger until close to Epiphany. Here, New Years' is more in the middle than at the end of the holiday, so people wouldn't dream of taking down their decorations then. They don't have Santa Claus, athough some appear now around shopping areas for commercial reasons. Children get candy gifts (turrón) from a type of Yule Log on the 24th, but they write their letters to the Kings. The Kings arrived last night, with big parades in the various neighborhoods, and one of the Kings is always Black or is made up to be Black. This morning the kids found their gifts the Kings brought and found the food and water for the camels and the snacks for the Kings all "consumed". Most people will take down their trees and/or put away their decorations tomorrow. Schools are always closed from about Dec. 22 - Jan. 6. Businesses close on Dec. 25, Jan. 1, and Jan. 6. In Illinois, where I come from, however, we usually took down the tree by Jan. 1st, or before, and we put up the tree in early December. Still, I remember seeing movies about traditional American families who didn't trim the tree until Christmas Eve, before going to church. Hope you all have a good new year. Stephen Gudgel, Barcelona PS: Several have asked me why my name is listed as Gudgel Montross. My last name is Gudgel, but in Spain people have two last names, first their father's, then their mother's. My mother's family name is Montross. My local email program lists it this way. I've often thought it is too bad we don't have that tradition. It would certainly make our family research easier. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Date: jueves 4 de enero de 2001 3:27 Subject: Misc. GUDGEL Data From The Internet and other stuff. >Hi Folks- > >Hope everyone has had a restful and relaxing few days off between Christmas >and New Years. I got my tree and decorations put away on Monday, New Year's >Day. For the life of me I can't seem to get them put away before New Year's >Day and I always think of what my mother once said....."It's bad luck to >start a New Year with an old tree." Sure doesn't make me think this is my >lucky year, huh? Does anyone else have a tradition about taking down the >Christmas tree and/or decorations? Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:30:27 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: STEPHEN GUDGEL MONTROSS CC: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Re: Spanish custom holidays Wow, thanks a lot for enlightening us on customs that I did not know about before. Great detail. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "connie Phillips" Subject: Faye Gudgel Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:19:42 -0500 Ron Gudgel's Mother, Faye Gudgel passed away on January 3rd I think he said. I got a short email message from Ron. The service is in Danville Ill. today, but I will have Ron send the obit and information to you as soon as he can return home and get settled. Just wanted everyone to know so those of you who want to could send a note. Connie Gudgel Phillips South Carolina From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:53:13 EST Subject: Re: Misc. GUDGEL Data From The Internet and other stuff. To: BIBEAUX@teleline.es, gudgel-list@eskimo.com I would like to second Diane's comments. You provided a very interesting description of the Spanish traditions that I knew nothing about. Thanks, Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Death of Faye GUDGEL Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:34:04 -0500 Connie- Can you give us an address for Ron GUDGEL? Thanks, Linda From: "connie Phillips" Subject: Address: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:48:26 -0500 email for Ron Gudgel is: randr@netnitco.net He is on our web list but last I heard his computer was out of service. He sent me a note on his daughter's I believe. You could try there and he can get it when he gets back on or; snail mail address: Ron Gudgel 712 W. 250 So Hebron, Indiana 46341 Ron has an older brother Ernie Gudgel at: 117 Belmont road Madison, Wis. 57716 (Their father, Ernest Gudgel and my father George Gudgel were brothers, and sons of Morton S. and Effie A. Gudgel) Thanks for asking Linda. Connie G. Phillips From: "Lowell Pankake" Subject: Catherine Pancake and Andrew Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:23:41 -0600 Well I received a reply from Ephraim Herriott. He says that he got his information form Dick Welton who probably got from Fern H. Taylor. I've sent off an email to Mr. Welton. We'll have to wait to see what he has to say. Lowell Pankake pankake@usfamily.net www.usfamily.net/web/pankake From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Lowell Pankake" , Subject: Re: Catherine Pancake and Andrew Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:50:46 -0800 Lowell, Thanks for following up on this mystery. Another lead may be on the Bob Juch list where he has a source note--ancestry.com 235874.ged. I don't know how to access ancestry.com files. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Lowell Pankake To: Gudgel-list Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Catherine Pancake and Andrew > Well I received a reply from Ephraim Herriott. He says that he got his > information form Dick Welton who probably got from Fern H. Taylor. I've > sent off an email to Mr. Welton. We'll have to wait to see what he has to > say. > > Lowell Pankake > pankake@usfamily.net > www.usfamily.net/web/pankake > > From: "Lowell Pankake" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Cc: "Gudgel-list" Subject: Re: Catherine Pancake and Andrew Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:33:34 -0600 Vivian, Went to the Ancestry.com site and found that 235874.ged was submitted by Teri Allred, AllredTC@aol.com. I downloaded the gedcom file and imported into my genealogy program. She has the following note regarding Catherine Pancake: " Is she the daughter of Jost or was she the wife of the brother of Jost's wife?" So, Teri wasn't sure either. Sometimes our guesses and theories get turned into facts my others. Lowell pankake@usfamily.net www.usfamily.net/web/pankake Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:13:44 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Lowell Pankake CC: Vivian Gudgell , Subject: Re: Catherine Pancake and Andrew Lowell, Thanks for following through on this very important issue of "verification" of source information. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:27:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Catherine Pancake and Andrew Lowell, Dianne,and all cousins Thanks for checking this out for me. I'm sorry, but it looks like a wild goose chase. It would have been nice though if we had finally solved Catherine's identity. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Dianne Holmes To: Lowell Pankake Cc: Vivian Gudgell ; Gudgel-list Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Catherine Pancake and Andrew > Lowell, > > Thanks for following through on this very important issue of > "verification" of source information. > Dianne Gudgel-Holmes > From: "Nancy Miller" Subject: Browning Funeral Home - Evansville Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:35:15 -0800 Are you all familiar with the web site for the Evansville and surroundings obituaries? It generally contains name, date of death, age, place where died and survivors. One Clay W. GUDGEL (whose lineage I haven't figured out) even had a picture. I believe there were 19 GUDGEL's, back to Abraham who died in 1910. I believe they say that the last ten years are complete electronically, the rest are taken from 3x5 cards that were microfilmed and in some libraries. The URL http://browning.evcpl.lib.in.us/ Does anyone know who Clay W. was? His father was John. He was born 1908 and died 22 May 1989 in Newburgh, IN. Nancy From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: CLAY WILLIAM GUDGELL 1908-1989 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:17:28 -0500 Nancy- What a great website! How in the world did you find it? Now you're gettng into my "neck of the woods" . Clay William GUDGEL b. March 28, 1908 Alton, Anderson Co., KY, d.May 22, 1989 Evansville, IN (or Newburgh, IN?). Married August 18, 1932 Jefferson Co., KY to: Christine Buford b. 1908 Jefferson Co., KY, d. abt. 1984. Clay William GUDGEL was a cousin of my family. BTW, I grew up in the community of Alton, where he was born. Clay's line of descent was: Clay William GUDGEL John Harvey GUDGELL John H. GUDGELL Allen GUDGELL Andrew GUDGELL, Jr. Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. I will check this site out more in depth later. Thanks for the reference to the site. Linda From: "Gardner Gudgel" References: <011001c07a06$54b1ba20$b52aa2d1@nteel> Subject: Re: Browning Funeral Home - Evansville Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:22:33 -0800 Nancy, I have an uncle, Clay Gudgel, who lived in Evansville and later moved to a town across the river from Henderson Ky. He was the eldest son of John H Gudgel. He has three children, Ann, Robert, and Martha. I'm sad to hear he'd passed away. I believe Ann lives in Colorado and Robert and Martha live somewhere in Indiana. I haven't talked to them in 30 years. I would love to establish contact again. Gerald Gudgel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Miller" Are you all familiar with the web site for the Evansville and surroundings obituaries? It generally contains name, date of death, age, place where To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:59:47 -0800 Subject: Re: CLAY WILLIAM GUDGELL 1908-1989 Hi Linda, All of my life people have asked me if I was related to Clay Gudgel. I used to say ... probably but I don't know how. Now I can say ... Yes, he was my cousin. Thanks for the information. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel, in Evansville, IN On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:17:28 -0500 "Linda Gudgel Finnell" writes: > Nancy- > > What a great website! How in the world did you find it? > > Now you're gettng into my "neck of the woods" . > > Clay William GUDGEL b. March 28, 1908 Alton, Anderson Co., KY, d.May > 22, > 1989 Evansville, IN (or Newburgh, IN?). > Married August 18, 1932 Jefferson Co., KY to: > Christine Buford b. 1908 Jefferson Co., KY, d. abt. 1984. > > Clay William GUDGEL was a cousin of my family. BTW, I grew up in > the > community of Alton, where he was born. > > Clay's line of descent was: > Clay William GUDGEL > John Harvey GUDGELL > John H. GUDGELL > Allen GUDGELL > Andrew GUDGELL, Jr. > Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. > > I will check this site out more in depth later. Thanks for the > reference to > the site. > Linda > To: nteel@lightspeed.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:56:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Browning Funeral Home - Evansville From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hello Nancy, Willard Library has this in microfilm. From what they told me I gather that Mr. Browning of Browning Funeral home starting saving all obits from the Evansville Courier Press several years ago to do a survey of what areas of the Tri-State his business was coming from. After a short while he found the genealogy advantages and shared the information with Willard Library. The list is not just people from the Evansville. The Library Staff told me that the list contains names of all people who had their obit run in the Evansville Courier Press. I even found my Uncle Clarence A. Gudgel in there and he died in Missouri. I was not aware that the list is now on the Internet. I will have to check it out. Thanks for the update. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel, in Evansville, IN On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:35:15 -0800 "Nancy Miller" writes: > Are you all familiar with the web site for the Evansville and > surroundings From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Gudgell in Shasta Co. Ca. Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:14:44 -0800 Today I received this information from a lady in Shasta Co. Ca. 1860 Census record #--50-594 Nelson, A. 35 Norway Blacksmith Gudgell F. 26 KY Carpenter ======= This gudgell must have been born abt. 1834 and the only Gudgell, in my database, with the initial 'F' that fits, is Frances Marion m. Rebecca Valentine. Does any one know of any gudgell's that may have migrated to northern Ca, in the 1800's? Maybe he was looking for gold!! Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Nancy Miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , "Gudgel List" Subject: Re: CLAY WILLIAM GUDGELL 1908-1989 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:33:19 -0800 Linda, I believe that I found the site through my membership in the Tri-State Genealogical Society, which is out of the Willard Library in Evansville. I have many ancestors in the southwest corner of Indiana and always sort of considered it "my neck of the woods" . So I had been trying to fit all the GUDGEL's on the site into the Gibson Co. descent, but now realize they apparently came together in Evansville with your group from Kentucky. Thanks for the information on Clay. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Date: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:25 AM Subject: CLAY WILLIAM GUDGELL 1908-1989 >Nancy- > >What a great website! How in the world did you find it? > >Now you're gettng into my "neck of the woods" . > >Clay William GUDGEL b. March 28, 1908 Alton, Anderson Co., KY, d.May 22, >1989 Evansville, IN (or Newburgh, IN?). >Married August 18, 1932 Jefferson Co., KY to: >Christine Buford b. 1908 Jefferson Co., KY, d. abt. 1984. > >Clay William GUDGEL was a cousin of my family. BTW, I grew up in the >community of Alton, where he was born. > >Clay's line of descent was: >Clay William GUDGEL >John Harvey GUDGELL >John H. GUDGELL >Allen GUDGELL >Andrew GUDGELL, Jr. >Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. > >I will check this site out more in depth later. Thanks for the reference to >the site. >Linda > > From: "Nancy Miller" To: "Gardner Gudgel" Subject: Re: Browning Funeral Home - Evansville Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:48:13 -0800 Gerald, Yes, you have the correct person. His obituary lists daughters, Ann McDonald of Manhattan, KS; Martha Schnacke of Newburgh, IN; and son Robert of Indianapolis. Nancy >Nancy, I have an uncle, Clay Gudgel, who lived in Evansville and later moved to a town across the river from Henderson Ky. He was >the eldest son of John H Gudgel. He has three children, Ann, Robert, and Martha. I'm sad to hear he'd passed away. I believe Ann >lives in Colorado and Robert and Martha live somewhere in Indiana. I haven't talked to them in 30 years. I would love to establish >contact again. Gerald Gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGELL's on the AGBI Database Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:30:47 -0500 Hi Folks! Back in December when Ancestry.com had the free use of databases for about 10 days I found this info. Does anyone have access to these books or know anything about them? American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) Reference: HARDY and HARDIE, By Harrison Claude HARDY, (et al.) Syracuse, 1935. (1322p.):642 Ruth Alice PALMER GUDGELL Lester Merl GUDGELL Ray Verne GUDGELL Reference: HENRY gen., des. of Sam. HENRY of Hadley, MS, (et al.) By Will. Henry ELDRIDGE. Boston, 1915. (240p.):83 Virginia GUDGELL HENRY Luella V. GUDGELL Reference: A History of The Pioneer families of MO. By Will. S. BRYAN )et al.) St. Louis, MO. 1876. (Xvii,569p.)326 Polly GUDGELL b. 179? KY>MO Elizabeth GUDGELL DUNLAP b. 179?, MO Polly GUDGELL DUNLAP b. 179?, KY>MO Elizabeth GUDGELL b. 179? MO (Note from Linda-I have seen this book. Both Polly and Elizabeth were b. in KY. These sisters married DUNALP brothers). Reference: Ten "Series" of "Pennsylvania Archives". have been so far published in from 5 to 3iv. Ea. Philadelphia and Harrisburg. 1852-(We have indexed Series 2, v2 and v8 (early PA marriage recds.) And all the v. of Series V. Which contain nearly complete PA. Rev. War Rcds.) Ser.5:5:791 Jacob GUDSHALL b. 175? PA Daniela- would your library have any of these books? That's all for now, Linda Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:36:45 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGELL's on the AGBI Database Linda, I got the books in question through interlibrary loan some time ago or at least the pages in question. I will try to pull them out and tell you all more. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From lima-lima@msn.com Sun Jan 14 13:53:55 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:55:47 -0500 From: Lane Lance Subject: Fw: Standards For Sound Genealogical Research Hi Gudgels, I received this from another list that thought that you might enjoy it. Debbie Lance Standards For Sound Genealogical Research Recommended by the National Genealogical Society http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/ 4527 17th Street North Arlington, Virginia 22207-2399 Remembering always that they are engaged in a quest for truth, family history researchers consistently- -record the source for each item of information they collect. -test every hypothesis or theory against credible evidence, and reject those that are not supported by the evidence. -seek original records, or reproduced images of them when there is reasonable assurance they have not been altered, as the basis for their research conclusions. -use compilations, communications and published works, whether paper or electronic, primarily for their value as guides to locating the original records. -state something as a fact only when it is supported by convincing evidence, and identify the evidence when communicating the fact to others. -limit with words like "probable" or "possible" any statement that is based on less than convincing evidence, and state the reasons for concluding that it is probable or possible. -avoid misleading other researchers by either intentionally or carelessly distributing or publishing inaccurate information. -state carefully and honestly the results of their own research, and acknowledge all use of other researchers' work. -recognize the collegial nature of genealogical research by making their work available to others through publication, or by placing copies in appropriate libraries or repositories, and by welcoming critical comment. -consider with open minds new evidence or the comments of others on their work and the conclusions they have reached. ©1997 by National Genealogical Society. Permission is granted to copy or publish this material provided it is reproduced in its entirety, including this notice. ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:35:10 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Lane Lance Subject: Re: Fw: Standards For Sound Genealogical Research Thanks Lance for bring the web site of NGS to our attention. Since I have so little time for surfing or searching these days, I appreciate knowing about the site. I will file the web address away in my e-file of "genie web resources." I scanned the syllabus of one of their classes and it seems like it would be good for those who are just starting out with their genie research. I think I saw a cost of about $360 and the course-- a home study course--takes about 18 months. That must be an extensive course! Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage--land of no snow and warm temps From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 14 13:56:48 2001 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA22608; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:51:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:51:49 -0800 From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Organization: Syracuse University Library To: "Gudgel List" , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:51:11 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: GUDGELL's on the AGBI Database Message-ID: <3A61D902.32526.B085FB@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000701c07b6e$4f98b200$5803ffd1@lindascomputer> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: <"EHvaU3.0.BX5.rzXOw"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1726 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Hi Linda, I do have the Pennsylvania Archives available right on the floor where I work at the Syracuse University Library. Here is what the referende below refers to... Pennsylvania Archives Associators and Militia Pennsylvania Ser.5:5: COUNTY OF BUCKS. page 359-362 A class roll of the 3rd Company of the 3rd Battalion of the Militia of Bucks County under the Command William Roberts. Lieutenant Colen., &c. June 12, 1780. (c.) Captain. Henry Darroch. 2nd Class. John Gotshalk. 8th Class. Jonathan Vastine. William Gotshalk. Samuel Gotshalk. I do hereby cerify that the foregoing list is a True class roll of the eighth Company of the third Battalion of the Militia of Bucks County. Witness hand the 16th Day of June, 1780. To George Walls, L.B.C. Henry Darroch. page 372 A return of the Company Associates and other classes in Bedminister Township, Bucks County, 1780. (c.) Class Five. John Gudshalk. pr. me, WM McHENRY, Capt., 1780. page 378 A retourn of all the clases beloing to Capten William McHenry Company in Bedminstor Township Bucks County: June the 12-- 1781. [sic] (c.) Class 5. Jacob Gudshalk. COUNTY OF CHESTER. page 791 List of the male white inhabitants in the township of upper & lower Chichester in their proper classes. (c.) 8th Class. Jacob Gudshall. Chester ss. James Huston on his Oath did delcare the within Muster Roll was a True list of the Male White Persons in his Company between the ages of 18 and fifty three years. before THOS. LEVIS S.L.C.C. [note: there is no date on this list but the ones around it range from 1777 to the mid 1780s. The articles of Association were passed on Aug. 19, 1775] Mia ************************************************************************ Back in December when Ancestry.com had the free use of databases for about 10 days I found this info. Does anyone have access to these books or know anything about them? Reference: Ten "Series" of "Pennsylvania Archives". have been so far published in from 5 to 3iv. Ea. Philadelphia and Harrisburg. 1852-(We have indexed Series 2, v2 and v8 (early PA marriage recds.) And all the v. of Series V. Which contain nearly complete PA. Rev. War Rcds.) Ser.5:5:791 Jacob GUDSHALL b. 175? PA Linda Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:39:35 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" CC: Gudgel List , Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGELL's on the AGBI Database Linda, Mia and all, I believe the Rev war information for Bucks Co would not apply to any Gudgel as the Gudgels were all in Fayette Co or in the SW PA area generally by then. I think that the information on Jacob Godshall in Chester Co, PA might fit though. Linda, you said Jacob was born in the 1750s, right? If so, then we might want to look into this if someone hasn't already. What could be important is information from Bucks Co regarding Andrew's potential brothers-in-law--Pancake, Myers, and Allbrech(?) Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Woodfield Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:52:53 -0500 Received this today and am forwarding it to some of you interested in the WOODFIELD's. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marjen" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Woodfield > My ancestor, John Woodfield, was in Fulton County IN in 1850. Trying to > locate parentage. Believe he may have married first in Kentucky. Will > exchange info. > > Marge Jensen marjen@emily.net > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:01:18 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: early immigration reference Cousins, I found this abstract below on my desktop from some surfing I must have done long ago. Perhaps one you sent it to me. At any rate, I don't think this reference is of use to us as it only starts with records in 1740. But one never knows and should one of you have the ability to look it up or get it through ILL, then please report as to your findings for Gotshall/Gudgel. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes 6The Lords Commissioners for Trade and Plantation established the act for naturalization in the American and West Indian colonies in 1740. Pursuant to that act, commissioners in the Americas sent records back to England detailing those foreign protestants who were naturalized in the colonies. This collection of those naturalization records contains important information from 1740 until about 1782 when the commission was dissolved. Divided by location, names are given of naturalized persons. Although designed just to record protestants, New York lists also include some Jews and Quakers. Some states# records are more complete than others, New York being thought most inclusive while Virginia is thought least comprehensive. Extended Description: Source Information: Guiseppi, M.S., ed. Naturalizations of Foreign Protestants in the American and West Indian Colonies. London: Huguenot Society Publishing, 1921. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Jacob GUDSHALL/GUDGEL b. 1775 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:49:08 -0500 Dianne- I have Jacob GUDGEL b. 1775 Westmoreland Co., PA per LDS family files. I have not documented this date of birth personally. He died somewhere between 1830-1840 and I don't know where. I don't even know when his wife, Druscilla DRISKELL, died or where she is buried. After her death, Jacob sold his land in Anderson Co., KY to some of his sons and just sort of disappeared. I have traced his sons thinking maybe he moved to Henderson Co., KY or to Missouri to live with some of the family but have never found him. Jacob was the son of old Andrew, Sr. and also my 4th great grandfather. He is my most elusive ancestor. Linda From: "Lowell Pankake" To: Subject: Re: early immigration reference Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:23:34 -0600 Diane, This reference is one of the paid databases at Ancestry.com. Lowell pankake@usfamily.net www.usfamily.net/web/pankake ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Holmes" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: early immigration reference Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:29:23 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Herman M. Gurgel In a January 26, 1944 Seattle Times newspaper that I acquired from a neighbor who is remodeling his house was a report that 1st Lt. Herman M Gurgel of Spokane WA was killed in the European area. Could this be a misprint and his name was actually Gudgel? There are some Gudgels in Spokane and perhaps someone from there can tell us if a Gudgel from Spokane was killed in the war. My neighbor is remodeling his house and removed some linoleum flooring and found several newspapers from Jan. 1944 under it. This is the same house that a 1914 calendar was found inside a wall in this same remodeling job. Very interesting, the news of 1944. Doyal Gudgel Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 06:56:53 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Jacob GUDSHALL/GUDGEL b. 1775 Doesn't sound like Jacob Gudshalll mentioned in Rev War records of Chester Co, could be THE Jacob Godshall son of Old Andrew if indeed he were born in 1775. Thanks, Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Dianne Holmes cc: "Mia K. Fleegel" , Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGELL's on the AGBI Database On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Dianne Holmes wrote: > Linda, Mia and all, > I believe the Rev war information for Bucks Co would not > apply to any Gudgel as the Gudgels were all in Fayette Co or in > the SW PA area generally by then. > Hi Linda and Dianne, I agree that the Gudshall's in Bucks county are not our direct line but I have found sometimes it's a long way around the block to a breakthrough in research. It's possible they are the children of an older Andrew, a possible brother to Frederick, that we have been talking about and they could lead to something.... Just keeping the options open cause you never know! Mia From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: re Christian Allebach Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:44:39 -0800 Hi cousins I have been in contact with Jacob Crader, who has researched the Allebach line. He sent me his file which sheds some light on Christian Allebach. It seems there is a Christian Allebach Sr. who married Margarethe Greter Friedt. Their children were: Esther Allebach b. 1709 Elizabeth allebach b. 1711 m. Johannes Clemens 3/5/1732 CHRISTIAN ALLEBACH b. 1714 m. ANNA GODSHALL Davis Allebach b. 1717 m. Catharine Ziegler Peter Allebach b. 1722 m. 1. Elizabeth Landis m. 2. Susanna Stauffer Johannes Allebach b. 1725 Veronica Allebach b. 1728 Maria Allebach b. 1731 Abraham allebach b. 1747 (son of wife #2, Elizabeth) Jacob Crader's line is through the Greter line. Greter has changed to various spellings, one of them being 'Crader". Item #2 I , also, corresponded with Susan Hunsicker, who is descended from the Allebachs and godshalk's. Susan writes: "I was able to get to the Ann Godshall who was Frederick's daughter by following a lead through the Allebach's I am an ancestor of. I have her father as Frederick Godshall from Bedminister Twp. bucks co.. d. in Franconia Twp., Montg. co. - no dates of birth or death. Anne's son David was christened 13 Apr. 1755 in Indian Lutheran church, Franconia Twp., Montg. co., Pa. There is an Allebach Family History at the Mennonite Archives in Harleysville, Montg, co. Pa. That is where I got most of the information on the Allebachs. I have Anna (Mollie) b.c. 1729 Franconia Twp,- Christian b.c. 1727 Skippack Twp. d.c. 1780. I list three OTHER children to Anna and Christian: Abraham no dates Girl b. 1 Jan 1762 Catharine b. 1763 I hope this is helpful. Susan Hunsicker ======== Susan said the Allebach book only mentioned Frederick's name and where he was and where he went. From Bedminister Twp. to Franconia Twp. ======== Later, Susan e-mailed me 50 pages of her connection to the Godshall's line through the Cassels and her grandmother. This information was sent to her by Michael Godshalk. I have scanned through it and picked up an item about that WILLIAM NASH who signed as a witness on FREDERICK GODTSHALK's will. 'Magdaline Herman Godshalk married Widow, William Nash. Her step-son, William Nash Jr. founded Nashville, Tenn.' Also, 'William Nash signed the inventory of the Estate of Frederick Gottshalk as an appraiser, dec. 3, 1748,' ======= My comments--- William Nash who signed the will must have been the Sr. Nash, as Jr Nash was born around 1740 and the will is dated 1748 I don't know if any of this helps. But maybe it points to some connection to the Rev. Jacob Godshalk's line. The above mentioned, Magdalene, is from his line. Vivian. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:55:15 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: re Christian Allebach Vivian, VERY interesting research on the Allebach tie in with Godshall! I knew there must be a way for us to get some information out of those siblings of Old Andrew. Now, does anyone know how we can get those baptismal records for Anna Godshall and perhaps her children? I think those records might show who was a sponsor for her family and in the past we know that Old Andrew was a sponsor to one of his sister's kid's baptism. And one of Old Andrew's sisters and her husband were sponsors for his daughters. So the documents might show something. I wonder if being a sponsor means you would have raise the child in case the parents die? If so, then maybe Old Andrew's sister raised his two girls if his first wife died? Would we find that information in the orphan's court records? Surely we should be able to find the wife's death notice in the Mennonite church wouldn't we? Do those church records exist? I would like to know more about the Nash relationship to Jacob Gotshalk/Gotshall. I know Jacob was a very important and literate minister for the church. It very well could be that Frederick and Jacob were cousins or even brothers?. Is there any indication that Jacob Gotshall had a son or grandson named Daniel? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:36:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: William Nash and Jacob Gottshall Good work , Vivian. Your email sent me to some information I received recently from Goch, Germany - home of Jacob. The cover letter is still being translated. In a Jacob genealogy sent to Goch by a Heidi H. Godshall it says that Jacob and his wife, Aeltien had two daughters- Ann(Anna) married to Peter Gustard (Kuster/Custer) and Magdalene (Magdalena). Magdalene married the widower William Nash. Her stepson, William Nash was the founder of Nashville, Tennessee and a general in the Revolutionary War. He died and was buried in Towamencin. President Washington was said to have been at his funeral service. Heidi presents a chart that indicates she is 10th generation descended from Jacob through his son , Herman. She also says that "Jacob gave his children (at least his three sons) a liberal education under the tutorship of Pastorius.. They attended the Germantown Friends School." This does seem to show some sort of connection between Frederick and Jacob. I have other genealogies of Jacob, and none that I can see show a "Daniel" in the particular lines that have been researched. Jacob's other two sons, other than Herman, were Godshalk or Gaetschalk (born in Holland) and John. I haven't tested this website, but according to my information, you might try www.vcu.edu/engweb/home/godshall.htm Jacob's will is printed there. The copies of this websites' info that I have were sent from Germany. Ardath Ardath Potts From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:41:02 EST Subject: Re: Need address To: jan_1@webtv.net, pgudgel@capecod.net, rgg@gfdl.gov CC: gudgel-list@eskimo.com, Jgudgel719@cs.com, Lncgdg@netscape.net It seems just yesterday I talked to Carol (Gudgel ) Woods re: Heather. I knew when I heard of her benign brain tumor that a fatal outcome was inevitable. So Sad. Carol; Wood address is 1040Pennacle Road, Henrietta, NY 14467. Tel # 1-716-334 5827 Love Uncle ED From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL RESEARCHERS? Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:53:35 -0500 Hi Everybody! Tonight I was searching the LDS Library site (Family search) and found the names of these submitters of info. on entries for GUDGEL(L) data. Does anyone know who these people are? Info. submitted on Jacob GUDGEL and Drucilla Driskell: Grace Jeannine Reynolds 743 E. Atlantic Ave. Fairfiled, CA 94533 T.L. Lyons 243 Masters Road Hixson, TN 37343 Information submitted on Jacob GUDGEL, son of Andrew GUDGEL and Elvira WALLACE: Jeffrey Whealdon Bryant 972 Bluebird Idaho Falls, ID 83402 Thanks, Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:26:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE. Gudgel Researchers These names are news to me. They have addresses, so maybe we should send them a letter mentioning this forum. That is, if nobody else has heard of them. boB From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Margaret Louvenia GUDGEL STEELE Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:48:44 -0500 Hi everybody- I'm cleaning out some notes and wonder if someone can give me a date of birth on Edward Burton STEELE, who married Margaret Louvenia GUDGEL (dau. of William GUDGELL and Elizabeth HERNDON). I have his birthplace as Indiana, and died October 12, 1962 West Palm Beach, FL. And Louvenia was born October 24, 1874 Anderson Co., KY, d. October, 1962 West Palm Beach, FL. Known children: Clyde, Scott, Burton, Irma and Helen. More questions: Where are Edward and Louvenia buried? Did William GUDGELL have children by his first wife, Mary Ellen HERNDON (Sister of Elizabeth)? When was she born, date of death, where buried? I found a Mary Ellen HERNDON living in Jefferson Co., KY after William married Elizabeth and wondered if he and Mary Ellen had divorced or what. Anyone know? Thanks, Linda From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:55:52 EST Subject: Re: Margaret Louvenia GUDGEL STEELE To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Linda; The data that I have on Edward Steele is from my Aunt Pearl GUDGEL BROKOFSKY and I do not know how accurate it is. This information indicates he was born in 1872 in Indiana. The following are notes from her files. Edward was a Cooper. Margaret's 1st marriage in presence of Thompson H. Thomas, Clerk, and Frank Hawkins. Bond signed by A. Mountjoy. A Thompson. Thomas married, Mollie Van Gudgell, (dau. of Jacob Gudgel and Minnerva J. Stout) Same one? Louvenia a/k/a "Lavinia". Her father was living at her Marriage, but did not sign Bond.?? She was 17 years of age. Edward; Son of John H. and Annie Steele. John born in IN., and Annie born in Germany. In his first marriage, Edward and Margarets Children were; Clyde, Scott, Burton, Irma & Helen. I am not sure how to interpret the notes, so you are on your own on that. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Missouri GUDGELL's Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:22:47 -0500 Ho Folks- Hoping someone can help me out. The Missouri GUDGELL's have long been a roadblock for me in my research. There were three John GUDGELL's who turned up in Missouri and one I can identify and the other two ....I don't know where he came from . I have a large file of information on Missouri GUDGELL's and just can't figure out how they fit together. John #1: The one I can identify is John GUDGEL(L), b. about 1795 in Franklin Co., KY, son of Jacob GUDGELL and Druscilla DRISKELL. He married Cynthia Ann BROWN in Franklin Co., KY. He died in 1866 in Livingston Co., MO. John # 2 is: John H. GUDGELL b. about 1847 in KY, son. of Edward M. GUDGELL and Amy R. He married Jennie K. (BRANT?). They were also in Livingston Co., MO. One known child was Charles GUDGELL. Who were John H.'s parents, Edward M. GUDGELL and Amy R. ?? And where were they from? John #3 is: John T. GUDGELL- born November 21, 1819 KY, died 8 Jan. 1865. Buried in the Gregory Cemetery, Livingston Co., MO. Buried in Gregory Cemetery but a monument was erected in Mooresville Cemetery. He married Lovey M. GREGORY on Jan 3, 1837 in Carroll Co., MO. Children: Robert E., Spencer H., Laura M., Mildred L., Emma F. and Julian M. GUDGELL. Who was this John T. GUDGELL the son of ??????. If I can figure out this maze of John GUDGELL's I think it will open up a whole new branch for me..... or maybe two!! Seems I am missing something and all of these Missouri GUDGELL's are eluding me. Help!!--I'm drowning in John GUDGELL's and their families!! Who'se gonna get me out of this ? Thanks, Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Fw: Missouri GUDGELL's Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:48:55 -0800 ----- Original Message ----- From: Vivian Gudgell To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Missouri GUDGELL's > Linda, I think I can help with John H.>Edward M. >John Franklin > >Jacob > Andrew Sr. > Frederick > > Amy R. 's last name is Davis. Edward M. and Amy were married in > Anderson Co. Ky.12 Jan. 1846. > Edward (Edwin)'s Mother was Cynthia Ann Brown. I don't have > Amy's parents. Other children of Edw. and Amy were: > Robert W. b. abt 1849 > Marlin Pierce b. 4 Jan 1853, d. 19 July 1885 > Susan M. b. abt 1858 > Edward b. July 1862 > Eliza b. abt. 1864 > > John H. b. 1 Sep. 1847, d. 5 Jun 1895, buried Edgewood Cem. > Chillicothe, Livingston, Mo. > > The only Spencer that I have is a son of John D. and Lucinda > Sophia Haywood >son of John Franklin and Cynthia Brown. However, > the children don't match the ones you posted. I have Spencer b. > 13 Jun 1872, Fred b. 22 Jun 1878, Jennie b. 11 May 1880. > Hope this helps. > Vivian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Gudgel Finnell > To: Gudgel List > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 5:22 PM > Subject: Missouri GUDGELL's > > > > Ho Folks- > > > > Hoping someone can help me out. The Missouri GUDGELL's have > long been a > > roadblock for me in my research. There were three John > GUDGELL's who turned <<>> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:31:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Missouri GUDGELL's Hi Linda, I have some information on several Gudgel families in Missouri. Quite a few of the descend from Jacob Gudgel and Drucilla Driskell. Much of the information I have on this branch of the*** Missouri Gudgels is from Adele Hackett of Chico, CA. She is a descendant of Lenorah Gudgel, daughter of John Gudgel and Cynthia Ann Brown. I corresponded with her in the 1980s. Is anyone on our list from this line? I also have quite a few census records from the Missouri Gudgels. Several of these families ended up in IA. Does anyone have any additions or CORRECTIONS?? Jacob Gudgel Descendants in Missouri 1 Jacob Gudgel b: Abt. 1775 in Westmoreland Co., PA d: Bet. 1830 - 1840 m: 26 July 1791 in Woodford Co., KY + Drucilla Driskell b: Abt. 1770 d: Abt. 1825 ........2 Jacob Gudgel b: Abt. 1792 in Franklin Co., KY ............+Elizabeth Arbuckle m: 20 December 1814 in Franklin Co., KY To MO...........3 John T. Gudgel b: 21 November 1819 in Anderson Co., KY d: 8 January 1865 in Mooresville, Livingston Co., MO .......................+Lovey M. Gregory b: 20 November 1819 in MO d: 28 April 1847 m: 3 January 1837 in Carroll Co., MO ....................................4 Robert E. Gudgel b: July 1837 in Ray Co., MO .................................... +Attila ? b: Abt. 1842 in MO ........................4 Spencer H. Gudgel b: Abt. 1838 in Mooresville, Livingston Co., MO ....................................4 Laura N. Gudgel b: Abt. 1840 in Mooresville, Livingston Co., MO ....................................4 Mildred L. Gudgel b: 15 January 1843 in Mooresville, Livingston Co., MO d: 7 February 1876 ........................................+Thomas Jennings m: 15 October 1864 in Livingston Co., MO .......................... *2nd Husband of Mildred L. Gudgel: .............................+James Jackson Lawson m: 31 August 1865 ............................4 Emma F. Gudgel b: 9 December 1844 in Mooresville, Livingston Co., MO d: 27 January 1896 ............................. +James Thomas Jennings b: 25 July 1836 d: 13 April 1899 ..........................4 Julian M. Gudgel b: 26 December 1846 in Mooresville, Livingston Co., MO d: 27 March 1906 .............................+Frankie Jennings b: December 1860 in MO m: 7 May 1872 in Livingston Co., MO To MO...2 John Franklin Gudgel b: Abt. 1795 in KY d: Abt. 1866 in Livingston Co.,MO .............. +Cynthia Ann Brown b: 23 Dec. 1805 in KY d: 4 Nov. 1892 in Jefferson Co., IA m: 24 December 1818 in Franklin Co., KY ...................3 Edward Gudgel b: 9 Feb. 1820 in Anderson Co., KY d: 3 July 1872 in prob. MO ........................+Amy R. Davis b: 26 May 1822 d: 17 April 1893 m: 12 January 1846 in Anderson Co., KY ..........................4 John H. Gudgel b: 1 September 1847 d: 5 June 1895 .............................+Jennie K. Brant b: 27 January 1849 d: 8 July 1906 ..........................4 Robert W. Gudgel b: Abt. 1849 ..........................4 Marlin Pierce Gudgel b: 4 Jan. 1853 in MO d: 19 July 1885 ..........................4 Susan M. Gudgel b: Abt. 1858 in MO ..........................4 Edward Gudgel b: July 1862 in MO ..........................4 Eliza Gudgel b: Abt. 1864 in MO ...................3 Mary Gudgel b: Abt. 1823 ......................+William Love m: 28 July 1840 in Ray Co., MO ...................3 Louise Gudgel b: Abt. 1830 in KY .......................+Henry W. Pech m: 6 January 1840 in Ray Co., MO ...................3 John D. Gudgel b: Abt. 1833 in KY d: 26 March 1888 in IA ......................+Lucinda Sophia Haywood m: 10 June 1866 ..........................4 Spencer Gudgel b: 13 June 1872 ..........................4 Fred Gudgel b: 22 June 1878 ..........................4 Jennie Gudgel b: 11 May 1880 in IA ...................3 Benjamin Franklin Gudgel b: 2 July 1835 in KY d: 5 March 1913 in IA .......................+Mariah Farrington m: 10 September 1867 ...................3 Lenorah Gudgel b: 1 September 1838 in Anderson Co., KY d: 1 January 1915 in Durham, CA ......................+Peter VanCluf Sutliff ..........................4 Peter Sutliff ..........................4 Clara Belle Sutliff ..........................4 Cynthia P. Sutliff MO to IA ...3 Richard Gudgel b: June 1843 in Livingston Co., MO d: 18 April 1921 in Fairfield, Jefferson Co., IA. ..............+Phoebe A. Henderson b: 21 April 1859 in Louisa, IA d: 2 April 1934 in Lawrence, Douglas Co., KS m: 10 August 1876 in Arcadia Twp, Morgan Co., IL ..........................4 Jackson Gudgel b: Abt. 1877 ..........................4 Licurgas Gudgel b: April 1879 in IL ..........................4 Laura L. Gudgel b: April 1882 in IA ..........................4 Love M. Gudgel b: April 1882 in IA ..........................4 Robert V. Gudgel b: May 1885 in IA ..........................4 Henry Clay Gudgel b: March 1888 in IA ..........................4 Lilie B. Gudgel b: February 1890 in IA ..........................4 Susie Gudgel b: Abt. 1891 ...................3 Love Gudgel b: Abt. 1845 in MO ......................+Hugh Canaday ...................3 Robert Bruce Gudgel b: Abt. 1846 in MO in KY. 2 Andrew Gudgel + Elizabeth Mountjoy m: 15 Dec. 1817 in Franklin Co., KY in KY.... 2 Elijah Gudgel + Lydia Ann Bell m: 5 Jun. 1819 in Mercer Co., KY To MO..2 Narissa Gudgel b: 1811 in Anderson Co., KY .........+Jefferson or Robinson Bryan m: 14 April 1842 in Livingston Co., MO ...................3 Thomas Bryan ...................3 E.A. Bryan ...................3 Acon Bryan ...................3 John Bryan ...................3 Laura Bryan ...................3 Hortense Bryan ...................3 Lenora Bryan From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Missouri GUDGEL(L)'s Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:21:33 -0500 Mia- Thank you so much for the information you sent. I have also been in touch with Ardath Potts and she is sending me data as well. I took what you sent and compared it to what I had from the book Mooresville Pioneers. Well,- Edward M. GUDGELL seems to be the missing link I needed. Turns out he is a son of John GUDGEL(L) and Cynthia BROWN that I had never run across. Not sure why I had never found him. He was their eldest child being born in 1820. Could be he left home before the census records I'd researched. I am puzzled by the number of children and the years their births span for John and Cynthia. I'm wondering if I have a mistake here. Cynthia was 15 when she married John in 1818, he was 23. But is it possible she had her children over a period of 23 years?? Poor woman . Here's what I have: John Franklin GUDGELL (b. 1795 Franklin Co., KY, d. 1866 Livingston Co., MO) married to Cynthia Ann BROWN (1805-1897) in 1818 Franklin Co., KY. 10 Children: Edward M. b. 1820 Lucinda b. 1823 George b. 1824 Louise b. 1826 Mary b. 1828 Andrew Jackson b.abt.1832 John D.. b. 1833 Benjamin Franklin b. 1835 Lenorah Matilda b. 1838 Richard J.. b. 1843 A lot of this is starting to come together and I haven't even gotten into my Missouri GUDGELL file. Also turns out there were more John GUDGEL(L)'s in Missouri than I thought. Everyone of them must have had a "John" in their family . Will keep you posted as to what kind of progress I make. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John GUDGELL- KY > MO Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:46:27 -0500 I am attempting to sort out the John GUDGEL(L)'s in MO and I have conflicting information. I must have 25 John GUDGEL(L)'s in my database but thank heavens they all didn't go to Missouri . Jacob GUDGELL, Jr. (b. 1791 Franklin Co., KY) marr. Elizabeth ARBUCKLE (b. 1795 KY) 1814 Franklin Co., KY. One known child: John GUDGELL. I have conflicting information on his middle initial. Either "T" or "L". I have 2 John GUDGELL's that married in Mo: One married Sarah GREGORY October 6, 1836 Carroll Co., MO One married Lovey M. GREGORY January 3, 1837. I believe the John GUDGELL who married Lovey GREGORY to be John T. GUDGELL, son of Jacob GUDGELL, Jr. and Elizabeth ARBUCKLE. Who is the other John GUDGELL that married Sarah GREGORY? Were Sarah GREGORY and Lovey GREGORY related? Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: John GUDGELL- KY > MO Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:00:28 -0800 Linda, I found John T. married to Lovey M. Gregory ,Carroll Co. Mo. on the International Genealogy Index list on Familysearch.org. with the date of 6 Oct, 1836. This is the same date that Mia Fleegel had for John T. 's marriage to Lovey M. Gregory. . I don't have any Sarah Gregory in my database. Notice that the dates are switched according to your data. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: John GUDGELL- KY > MO > I am attempting to sort out the John GUDGEL(L)'s in MO and I have > conflicting information. <> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:44:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Vivian Gudgell cc: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Re: John GUDGELL- KY > MO Hi all, I got my info from The State Historical Society of Missouri, Missouri Historical Review, v.9, no.2, p.106 (Jan. 1915). It says Carroll Co. Mar. Rec. The First 530, 1833-1852 John Gudgell and Lovey Gregory Jan. 3, 1837 by Samuel Todd. I think maybe the two marriages are one in the same. Maybe the later date was when it was filed. I remember seeing something for these people and I remember having a hard time determining if Miss Gregory was Lovey, Sarey or Sarah. What do you think? Linda, do you have other information on the "other" Miss Gregory? Mia On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Linda, I found John T. married to Lovey M. Gregory ,Carroll Co. <<>> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Missouri GUDGELL's- Part 1 of 2 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:56:15 -0500 I am still shuffling data and papers trying to figure out if Sarah Gregory and Lovey Gregory are one and the same ....the wife of John T. GUDGELL. If the dates of marriage were closer I would suspect they were but I'm not sure. Three month's apart in the same county....it could very well be. October 6, 1836 and January 3, 1837 Another source I have seen is the Mooresville Pioneers by Jim Stout. Here is the information from his book: (Mooresville is in Livingston Co., MO): Edward M. GUDGELL was born about 1820 in Kentucky. Edward was Livingston Co. Sheriff 1863 to 1865. He was married to Amy R. about 1846. Children were John H., Robert W., Martin, Susan M., Edward, and Eliza J. (Linda's notes: Married Amy R. DAVIS, January 12, 1846 Anderson Co., KY). He was married to Mary MORRIS on Oct. 15, 1889. (Linda's notes-Who is this Mary MORRIS and did he have children by her?). Eliza J. GUDGELL was born about 1864 in Chillicothe Twp., Livingston, MO. Parents: Edward M. GUDGELL and Amy R. Emma GUDGELL was born about 1865 in Monroe Twp., Livingston, MO. Parents: Robert E. GUDGELL and Atilla. Emma F. GUDGELL was born on Dec. 9, 1844 in Mooresville (Green Twp). Livingston, MO. She died on 27 January 1896. She was buried in Gregory Cemetery, Livingston, MO. Burial in Gregory Cemetery, but a monument was erected in Mooresville Cemetery. This family was enumerated twice in the 1870 Federal Census. On August 9, 1870, they were in Jackson Twp, Livingston Co. Page 581A, family #194. He owned no real estate and had only $300 worth of personal property. A child, Eva Jennings, age 3, lived with them. Parents: John T. GUDGELL and Lovey M. GREGORY. She was married to James Thomas JENNINGS. Children were: Eva JENNINGS. Jacob GUDGELL Children were: John GUDGELL Jessie B. GUDGELL was born in Nov. 1880 in Monroe Twp., Lovingston, MO. Parents: Robert E. GUDGELL and Atilla. John GUDGELL was born about 1795 in Franklin Co., KY. He died in 1866 in Livingston Co., MO. This family's residence was in Monroe Twp. in 1860. Parents: Jacob GUDGELL. He was married to Cynthia Ann BROWN. Children were John, Benjamin Franklin, Lenora Matilda, Richard J., Lovey, and Robert Bruce. John GUDGELL was born about 1833 in Kentucky. Parents: John GUDGELL and Cynthia Ann BROWN. John H. GUDGELL was born about 1847 in Kentucky. Parents were Edward M. GUDGELL and Amy R. He was married to Jennie K. Children were: Charles GUDGELL. (Linda-notes: Is this Jennie BRANT?). John Mason GUDGELL was born April 1867 in Monroe Twp., Livingston MO. Parents: Robert E. GUDGELL and Atilla. John T. GUDGELL was born Nov. 21, 1819 in KY. He died on Jan. 8, 1865. He was buried in Gregory Cemetery, Livingston, MO. Buried in Gregory Cemetery but a monument was erected in Mooresville Cemetery. Parents: GUDGELL Married to Lovey M. Gregory on January 3, 1837 in Carroll Co., MO. Children: Robert E., Spencer H., Laura M., Mildred L., Emma F. and Julien M. Part 2 follows: From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Missouri GUDGELL's - Part 2 of 2 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:27:29 -0500 >From Mooresville Pioneers by Jim Stout. Julien M. GUDGELL was born December 26, 1846 in Mooresville (Green Twp), Livingston, MO. He died on March 27, 1906. He was buried in Gregory Cemetery, Livingston, MO. A large obelisk was erected in Mooresville Cemetery. It bears the names of several GUDGELL and GREGORY family members, including Julien M. GUDGELL. However, the obelisk was moved from Gregory Burial Ground and no graves were moved. Parents: John T. GUDGELL and Lovey M. GREGORY. He was married to Frances "Franky" JENNINGS on May 7, 1872 Livingston Co., MO. He filed for divorce on July 26 1875 in Chillicothe, Livingston, MO. Frances accused Julien of drunkeness. The case was continued. Julien and Franky lived together in Dennison, Grayson County, TX in 1900. This family lived in Dennison, Grayson Co., TX in 1900. Children were: William M. and Thomas H. Laura M. GUDGELL was born about 1840 in Mooresville (Green Twp), Livingston, MO. Parents: John T. GUDGELL and Lovey M. GREGORY. Lenorah Matilda GUDGELL was born about 1837 in KY. Parents: John GUDGELL and Cynthia Ann BROWN. Lovey GUDGELL was born about 1845 in Ray Co., MO. Parents: John GUDGELL and Cynthia Ann BROWN. Marguerite Louise GUDGELL She was married to Joseph CRAIN. Joseph came from KY after the Civil War and settled about a mile north of Ludlow. He married Margaret GUDGELL. Albert C. CRAIN was the ninth of ten children. Children were: Albert C. CRAIN. (Linda-notes-who is this Margaret/Marguerite GUDGELL? She's the only one I can't identify). Martin GUDGELL was born about 1853 in Livingston Co., MO. Parents: Edward M. GUDGELL and Amy R. Mildred L. GUDGELL was born on January 15, 1843 in Mooresville (Green Twp), Livingston, MO. She died February 7, 1876. She was buried in Gregory Cemetery, but a monument was erected in Mooresville Cemetery. Parents: John T. GUDGELL and Lovey M. GREGORY. She was married to James Thomas JENNINGS on October 15, 1864. She was married to James Jackson LAWSON on August 31, 1865 in Livingston Co., MO. Children were: Gregory H. LAWSON. Narcissa GUDGELL- was born about 1811. She reported her age as 21 years in the 1850 census of Caldwell Co., MO. She also reported the age of her oldest child, Thomas, as 7. She died before August, 1870 in Mooresville Twp., Livingston, MO. Parents: GUDGELL. She was married to Roberson BRYAN on April 14, 1842 in Livingston Co., MO. Children were Thomas Riley, Elizabeth T., Margaret Ann, John , Laura, Hortense, Austin A,K,, and Lenora. (Linda-notes-Narcissa was born in KY). Richard J. GUDGELL was born about 1843 in Ray Co., MO. Parents: John GUDGELL and Cynthia Ann BROWN. Robert Bruce GUDGELL- born about 1846 in Mooresville (Green Twp), Livingston, MO. Parents: John GUDGELL and Cynthia Ann BROWN. Robert E. GUDGELL was born in July, 1837 in Ray Co., MO. He died after 1900. This family lived in Lewistown, Fergus Co., Montana in 1900. Parents: John T. GUDGELL and Lovey GREGORY. He was married to Atilla. Children were: Alice E., Emma, John Mason, and Jessie B. Spencer H. GUDGELL- was born about 1839 in Mooresville (Green Twp), Livingston, MO. Parents: John T. GUDGELL and Lovey <. GREGORY. Susan M. GUDGELL was born about 1857 in Monroe Twp., Livingston, MO. Parents: Edward M. GUDGELL and Amy R. Thomas H. GUDGELL was born about 1837 in Livingston Co., MO. Parents: Julien M. GUDGELL and Frances "Franky" JENNINGS. William M. GUDGELL was born in February 1875 Livingston Co., MO. Parents: Julien M. GUDGELL and Frances "Franky" JENNINGS. Hope this helps someone. Please let us know if any of these families connect with your lines. Some of them do but still let us know in case we have not made a connection. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Finnell" Subject: re Missouri gudgells Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:30:56 -0800 Hello, As I read through Linda's Missouri list I can supply a little information. The name of ROBERT E. gudgell's wife is ATTILLA BENN, born in Pike co. JOHN H.Gudgell's wife is JENNIE K. BRANT. Her parents were Jacob Brant and Susan Fetchum. I have three children for JOHN H. and JENNIE BRANT: 1. CHARLES V. b.23 aug 1869 d. 30 aug 1870 Buried in Edgewood cemetery. 2. WILLIAM A. b. abt. 1870 m. EFFIE SHAFFER b.24 oct 1870 d.7 nov. 1899 Edgewood Cemetery. 3. JACOB E. b. 10 nov. 1872 d. 24 dec 1881 Edgewood Cemetery Chillicothe, Liivingston co. Mo. I don't have proof of any of these items. They are bits of information picked up here and there on the internet and from gudgel-list posters. Feel free to correct me if you have something different. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: re Missouri gudgells Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:51:05 -0500 Vivian- Thanks for the maiden name of Atilla BENN GUDGELL. You mentioned she was born in Pike Co. Is that KY or MO? (There is a Pike Co., KY also). Now a problem re: Jennie K. BRANT-wife of John GUDGELL: I have two items that conflict- John H. GUDGELL-s/o Edward M. GUDGELL and Amy R. DAVIS-marr. Jennie K. (no last name given). And John GUDGELL-s/o John GUDGELL and Cynthia Ann Brown-marr. to Jennie BRANT on Nov, 17, 1868. (I had this John as marrying Lucinda Sophia HAYWOOD in 1866).??? (Both if these items are stated in the Mooresville Pioneers book.-One says Jennie K. and one says Jennie BRANT.-but they are different John's?????? Also wasn't quite clear about William A. GUDGELL, s/o John GUDGELL and Jennie K.- was the date of death Nov., 1899 for John or his wife, Effie SHAFFER? Thanks, Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: re Missouri gudgells Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:08:01 -0800 Linda, Attilla Benn, (wife of Robert E.) was born in Pike Co Mo. I had added a note to Mia Fleegel's information, and she already had Mo. as the place of birth. I have JOHN H. (s/o EDWARD M. and AMY R. DAVIS) who married JENNIE K. BRANT. JOHN D. (s/o JOHN FRANKLIN and CYNTHIA BROWN) married LUCINDA SOPHIA HAYWOOD on 10 June 1866, EFFIE SHAFFER b. 24 Oct.1870, d. 7 Nov. 1899. was the wife of WILLIAM A. (s/o JOHN H. and JENNIE K. BRANT) I hope this helps. Vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Need current GUDGEL addresses Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:04:24 -0500 Hi Folks- I have recently sent out a number of letters about our GUDGEL(L) Connections Newsletter to various GUDGEL's I have been in contact with over the last several years.Unfortunately a few have been returned for various reasons. Wondered if some of you know how to reach these people, if they've moved, or any other information: 1. Robert B. GUDGEL, 2298 Linda Drive, Warren, OH 44485 Forwarding order expired: New address might be 1420 Mansel Avenue, Williamstown, PA 17701-2608. 2. Marietta J. PATTERSON, 702 Cedar Street, Cleveland, OK 74020. No forward order on file. 3. Richard L. GUDGEL, 503 Pierce Street, Omaha, NE 68106. Unable to forward. 4. June GUDGEL NASH, R.R. #1, Box 4039, Danville, VA. 24541. No such street. I haven't heard from some of these people in a few years so I'm at a loss as to where they are now. All were interested in the various GUDGEL lines. Thanks for any help. Also, if you know of others who may be interested in getting a notice just let me know. Thanks, Linda from spring-like weather in KY....but surely won't last . I do have easter flowers (daffodils) starting to peep through the ground! They'd better wait! From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGELL- Bureau County, IL Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:50:21 -0500 I found this query on a web site for Bureau Co., IL. It's from a Margie Bridges. Her email addy was margiebr@aol.com and it was posted 8/6/2000. Does anyone know Margie or this family she's looking for? She wrote: Looking for information about Joseph Holmes Bridges, wife Sarah Ann Bowman, and her parents, Jacob Bowman and Mary GUDGELL. Yhey lived in Milo Township in Bureau Co., IL. This was around 1858-1878. Any facts would help. Margie Bridges. Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:29:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Robin Gudgel gets his 15 minutes of fame... Robin, My brother, got his 15 minutes of fame today, (saturday), on the front of the Everett Herald (Snohomish county, WA) newpaper. www.heraldnet.com OR if you're not seeing this today, saturday, you can probably see it at http://www.heraldnet.com/Stories/01/2/10/energy.cfm Thanks, Bob From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More GUDGEL addresses needed Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:31:44 -0500 Of 31 letters I sent out about the GUDGEL newsletter, I had 4 returned the first week. I have found three of those and resent the letters. This week I had 3 more returned. Guess these folks must move a lot. If you know the whereabouts of these cousins please let me know. 1. Omer D. GUDGELL 980 Wilmington Ave., #807 Dayton, OH 45420 Unable to forward. 2. Larry GUDGEL 10905 Woodbridge Road Oklahoma City, OK 73162 Not deliverable as addressed. 3. John E. Gugdel 2200 Herman Court Herndon, VA 22070 Not deliverable as addressed. Unalbe to forward. Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: The search for Helen Ora Gudgel Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:38:28 -0500 Can anyone help Howard out? I'm checking my files also. If you respond = please send it to the list so that we can all share the information. Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MAXWELL_HOWARD_H@LILLY.COM=20 To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net=20 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: The search for Helen Ora Gudgel Linda,=20 Thanks for the reply note. In looking for Helen Ora Gudgel, I thought = I'd try the Gudgel mailing list after I tried some of my immediate = cousins -- and I included you on that list. But the oldest of them (age = 71) who remembers EVERYTHING about the family, has no recollection = whatsoever of Helen Ora Gudgel.=20 The next move should be go out to the Great Gudgel Family on your email = list, but I'm not sure how to access it. If you would help me out in = that regard, I would appreciate it.=20 You asked about Crown Hill Cemetery -- It was established in = Indianapolis during the Civil War and lies three miles NNW of the center = of the city. It is enormous -- covers some 550 acres and 184,000 = persons are buried and entombed there, including President Benjamin = Harrison and poet James Whitcomb Riley, whose grave and monument stand = atop the Crown Hill, the highest elevation in the city. The cemetery = also contains the remains of three U.S. vice-presidents (Thomas A. = Hendricks, Charles W. Fairbanks, Thomas Riley Marshall), ten Indiana = governors, fourteen mayors of the city, and over a dozen generals of the = Civil War. Other notables include Col. Eli Lilly (founder of the = pharmaceutical house where I have worked for 22 years), movie actor = James Baskett, and gangster John Dillinger. In 1933, 1,616 Confederate = soldiers who died while prisoners of war at Camp Morton (1862-1865) in = Indianapolis were reburied here from Greenlawn. One of the mayors = buried here,=20 You might make the Crown Hill website available to the Gudgel Group: = http://www.crownhill.org/genealogy/index.html=20 Click on "Burial Locator" at the far left and search away. Information = available is location and date of burial. All 184,000 inhabitants are = searchable, but there aren't many Gudgels. Two of them are my great = Uncle David, his wife Frances and then the mysterious Helen Ora Gudgel, = the subject of my quest.=20 I have been in contact with the William Troutman who is mentioned in the = Gudgel Archived messages on the website. We filled in a lot of blanks = and it was good to make contact. As it turns out, we are 3rd cousins.=20 Here's my Gudgel line from GGGG grandparents Andrew and Katherine = Elizabeth Gudgel.=20 Andrew & Katherine Gudgel=20 John & Jane Harbison Gudgel married 1804=20 David & Elmira Fitch Gudgel married: 1833, Jefferson Co., IN=20 David and Elmira Fitch Gudgel had three children -- Amos (b. 1834), = Mathilda or Matilda (b. 1836 ) and America (b. 1840)=20 Amos & Mary Troutman Gudgel married: 1853, Jefferson Co., IN=20 Williamson Brewster Maxwell and Maggie Maud Gudgel married: 1894, = Indianapolis, Marion, IN=20 Allison & Joanne DeMilt Maxwell married: 1942, Indianapolis, Marion, IN=20 Howard H. and Suzanne Tardy Maxwell married: 1975, Indianapolis, = Marion, IN=20 Relatively yours,=20 Howard=20 Dear all,=20 Grandmother's brother, David Ellsworth Gudgel (Uncle Dave), is buried in = Crown Hill Cemetery, Section 35, Lot 340. In the same lot lies Sarah = Frances Gudgel who preceded him in death in October of 1938.=20 Also in the same plot, Crown Hill lists Helen Ora Gudgel who was = interred there on March 16, 1891.=20 Does anyone have any recollection of the name Helen Gudgel?=20 As far as I have been able to tell, there were four children of Amos and = Mary Troutman Gudgel: Hester Ann (Hettie) born in 1855, Alice born in = 1862, David born in 1865, and grandmother, born in 1873 -- so Helen = would not have been a sister, or married to "another brother."=20 Any recollections -- any hints?=20 Thanks,=20 Howard=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C093BA.918CD560-- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: GUDGELL- Bureau County, IL Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:48:46 -0800 Linda, The Mary P Gudgell who married Jacob Bowman is the daughter of Stephen and Sarah Phillips, and granddaughter of Daniel Gudgell. I don't have anything for the children of Mary P. and Jacob Bowman. Maybe this bit will point you in the right direction. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: GUDGELL- Bureau County, IL > I found this query on a web site for Bureau Co., IL. > > It's from a Margie Bridges. Her email addy was margiebr@aol.com > and it was posted 8/6/2000. > > Does anyone know Margie or this family she's looking for? > > She wrote: > Looking for information about Joseph Holmes Bridges, wife Sarah Ann Bowman, > and her parents, Jacob Bowman and Mary GUDGELL. Yhey lived in Milo Township > in Bureau Co., IL. This was around 1858-1878. Any facts would help. > Margie Bridges. > > Linda > From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: More GUDGEL addresses needed Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:20:41 -0800 Linda, I found a John and Dorothy Gudgell on the Names and address file on ancestry.com. If you search for gudgell surname you will get a list of social security numbers, and another list of addresses and phone numbers for living gudgells. This John and Dorothy's address is: 1451 Parkvale Ct. Herndon, Va. 20170-2529 I picked this one because your original address was in Herndon, Va. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: More GUDGEL addresses needed > Of 31 letters I sent out about the GUDGEL newsletter, I had 4 returned the > first week. I have found three of those and resent the letters. > > This week I had 3 more returned. Guess these folks must move a lot. > > If you know the whereabouts of these cousins please let me know. > > 1. > Omer D. GUDGELL > 980 Wilmington Ave., #807 > Dayton, OH 45420 > > Unable to forward. > > 2. > Larry GUDGEL > 10905 Woodbridge Road > Oklahoma City, OK 73162 > > Not deliverable as addressed. > > 3. > > John E. Gugdel > 2200 Herman Court > Herndon, VA 22070 > > Not deliverable as addressed. Unalbe to forward. > > Thanks, > Linda > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Jacob Bowman and Mary GUDGELL Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:00:54 -0500 Yeah!!!!!!!! Thanks to Ardath and Vivian for helping Margie out. I knew we could count on you guys. Linda From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:21:26 EST Subject: GUDGEL, Bureau Co., IL > Looking for information about Joseph Holmes Bridges, wife Sarah Ann Bowman, > and her parents, Jacob Bowman and Mary GUDGELL. Yhey lived in Milo Township > in Bureau Co., IL. This was around 1858-1878. Any facts would help. > Margie Bridges. > Siblings of Mary P. Gudgel were: James Harlan Gudgel born 11-15-1811 Browsville, Fayette Co., PA Thornton B. Gudgel born 8-20-1819 Jefferson Co., IN Nancy In the Iowa deep freeze From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Jacob Bowman and Mary GUDGELL Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:56:16 -0800 Hi, Cousins Since we seem to be on a DANIEL line of descent, I will add a bit to clarify the name of the spouse of ALBERT L. GUDGELL. Mia Fleegel has posted a very good list of Daniel's descendents, but I have been exchanging data with a Francie Goodfield who is a descendent of ALBERT L GUDGELL, son of MILTON, son of MAHLON, son of DANIEL, ?son of ANDREW, ?son of FREDERICK.. Francie's mother is a descendent of ALBERT's daughter, MARY A. and OSCAR PRINCE. The Prince family bible has ALBERT GUDGELL's birth date, date of death and marriage date recorded. ALBERT married MARTHA L BARTHELMAN on 6 Dec. 1877. Mia Fleegel had ALBERT married to MARTHA L TOMLINSON. According to the Prince Bible, MARTHA's father was JOHN BARTHELMAN b: 1815 d: 27 Sep. 1854 . He died when she was 2 years old, and her mother, MARY STROETICK, married Wm. TOMLINSON on 11 Oct 1855 . Martha must have been known by her step-father's name as she was growing up, and that was the name Mia found. ALBERT L. GUDGELL born 4 June 1852, died 28 Mar.1940 Married MARTHA L. BARTHELMAN on 5 Dec. 1877 Children Of ALBERT and MARTHA were: MARY ANN, born 29 May 1879, died 14 Jan 1966, Married OSCAR C. PRINCE on 3 Feb. 1904 CHARLES WILLIAM, born 6 Feb 1883, died 23 Aug. 1916 DORA ETHEL, born 12 Oct 1890 Married GEORGE R. PRINCE on 8 Oct. 1910. LUELLA LENORA, born 28 Sep.1896 Married BENNIE A. STEVENS on 15 Jan. 1920 I have copies of the Prince bible pages if anyone wants me to e-mail them as attachments . I don't think I'm allowed to send them to the gudgel-list. Have fun! Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Jacob Bowman and Mary GUDGELL > Yeah!!!!!!!! Thanks to Ardath and Vivian for helping Margie out. I knew we > could count on you guys. > > Linda > From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:29:13 EST Subject: Re: More GUDGEL addresses needed To: vgudgell@whidbey.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com, bilehnert@worldnet.att.net, dubaleibell@juno.com, Homers1999@aol.com, jgrollman@webtv.net, DJGud3326@aol.com, Lncgdg@netscape.net, pgudgel@capecod.net, RalphSherm@aol.com, arainbowofmyown@yahoo.com, btrslyblue@gibralter.net, nfn15763@naples.net, lesly.white@att.net CC: jan_1@webtv.net, Jgudgel719@cs.com On March 26 the New address of Edward and Charline Gudgel will be 16506 Cypress Vila Lane Fort Myers, FL 33908-6688. Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:22:52 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Daniel Gudgel I am looking for a Daniel Gudgel who lived in Bellevue Washington and graduated from Bellvue High School in 1971. The present owners of the house he lived in at the time received his invitation to attend a 30th High school reunion. The present owner called me to see if I knew him. My info does not show a Daniel Gudgel of that age. Can any of you help? Doyal Gudgel From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:07:01 EST Subject: Corrected adress change New address ED and Charline G is 16506 Cypress Villa Lane Fort Myers, FL 33908 6688. Sorry EG From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL's-Springfield, Illinois Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:06:56 -0500 Hello everybody- One of the free databases on Ancestry.com is a databse of the State Journal-Register, Springfield, Illinois- Obituaries, 1993-1999. I did a search on GUDGEL(L) and came up with severa; entries of which I will list briefly . I hope some of you can identify these cousins and place where some of their ancestors fit into our tree. After I began reading this information I began to see the connection between some of the families. June 22, 1999 Birthday- Myron "Doc" Hinds, 86, Salisbury, celebrating his 86th birthday on Monday. He was born June 28, 1913 in Chatham and married Caroline E. GUDGEL; she died in 1981. April 24, 1994 Ruby C. Vollintine, 75, of Springfield. Died Saturday at Memorial Medical Center. Survived by several brothers and sisters, two of which were Mrs. Thomas (Hazel) GUDGEL of Springfield; and Mrs. William (Barbara) GUDGEL of Waggoner. December 3, 1999 Sabdra "Sandy" Lynn GUDGEL, 50, of Pawnee, died Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at St. John's Hosp. Born Feb/ 9, 1949 in Springfield, daughter of Robert and Ruby Wilson Crowder. She married David Lee GUDGEL, Sr. in 1970. Survivors include husband and 2 children: David Lee GUDGEL, Jr. of Pawnee and Tammy Lynn Matthews of Pawnee. December 5, 1994 Leonard I. Sanders, 80, of Virden. Two of five sisters surviving were Hazel L. GUDGEL of Springfield and Barbara A. GUDGEL of Waggoner. December 27, 1994 Agnes M. GUDGEL, 90, of Athens. Husband, George GUDGEL; 3 daus.- Margaret Seiz of Springfield, Sara Riley of Orland Park and Katherine (Kate) Paine of Decatur December 30, 1995 George F. Wise, 65, of Bulpitt. Sister, Thelma GUDGEL, of Tovey January 6, 1997 Walter GUDGEL, 67, of Athens. Brother, George GUDGEL of Athens; 5 sisters, Kathryn Carter fo Athens, Sarah Buhl, Roseemary Malohon, Betty Andretta and Valora Poani, all of Springfield. July 4, 1993 Albert A. "Brute" Andreatta, 61, of Springfield. Married Betty J. GUDGEL in 1954 in Athens. Wife survives, two sons, Albert L of Springfield and Andrew J. of Littleton, C; a dau. Mary Carlock of Springfield. July 8, 1993 Melvin Ernest "Red" Ballard, 81, of Springfield. One of 6 surviving daus., Mrs. Richard (Shirley) GUDGEL, of Springfield. June 25, 1997 Sarah M. Buhl, 74, of Springfield. Died Tuesday at St. John's Hospice. Born February 12, 1923 in Athens, dau. of Harry and Fannie COLE GUDGEL. Married Luther Ray Buhl. He d. in 1986. Survivors include a dau., Mrs. Alan (Myrna) Grider, Springfield; a gereat grandson; a brother, George GUDGEL of Athens, and 4 sisters, Kathryn Carter of Athens, Betty Andreatta, Roser Molohon and Valora Paoni, all of Springfield. March 16, 1996 Thomas E. GUDGEL, 75, of Springfield. Born May 31, 1920 in Athens, son of Andrew and Mary Faust GUDGEL. Married Hazel L. Sanders in 1951. Mr. GUDGEL retired from Sinclair Oil Co. in 1982, a U.S. Navy veteran of WWII. Survivors include wife, Hazel, 4 sons, Thomas "Buzz" of Carnation WA, Jerry, Randy and Chris GUDGEL , all of Springfield.; 4 daughters, Mrs. Donald (Kathy) Hevlin of Longview, WA, Mrs. Gary (Judy) Howell, Mrs. Fred (Connie) Bisby and Mrs. Frank (Robin) Hamra, all of Springfield; three brothers. John GUDGEL of Girard, William GUDGEL of Waggoner and Richard GUDGEL of Springfield; a sister, Helen Sexton of Petersburg. Burial in Oak Ridge Cem. October 12, 1996 Kenneth "Kenny" Eugene Morgan, 36, of Pawnee. Born August 19, 1960 in Springfield, son of Lucille Morgan. He married Doris Louise GUDGEL in 1984. One son, James, of Pawnee. Burial in Calvary Cem., Pawnee. September 4, 1993 Harvey L. "Roy" Edge, Sr.- 73, of Girard. Burial in Girard Cem. One sister listed was Wilma GUDGEL of Girard. May 7, 2000 David A. Sexton, 58, of Petersburg died, Friday, May 5, 2000. Born February 10, 1942, Menard County, IL, son of James Elmer and Helen GUDGEL Sexton. Mother, Helen survives along with 3 brothers and one sister. Burial in Oakland Cemetery, Petersburg. >From Linda in Cool but springlike Kentucky. A lot of birdnest building going on today! Spring can't be far off. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Note from Linda Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:16:34 -0500 Hi folks- Just to let you know I am thinking of you all and let you know the wedding plans are beginning to consume us! (And remember I work a full time job too). So it's been really busy. Just have to steal away a little time here and there for my genealogy. The inviatations have arrived, I still haven't found a dress yet, Gary has been fitted for a tux (he will be so handsome!), the future bride and groom (Carrie and Brian) bought their wedding rings this week (wow- this is for real!), showers are being planned by friends, etc, meeting with the florist in 2 weeks, trying to get started making favors for the wedding, the veil and dress are being altered now, making arrangements for the reception, and a hundred other things to do. I made the ring pillow for the ring bearer to carry during the ceremony. And of course I got a little misty-eyed while doing it. Guess I'm so sentimental. But then I remember when she goes-her dog goes too!!! Yippee!!! Just know that I'm thinking of you guys. Linda From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:54:43 EST Subject: Re: GUDGEL's-Springfield, Illinois To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Linda; I think I can fill in all the blanks on these folks. I recognize most of the names and have met several of those that are still living. They are all descendants of Henry T. and Sarah Ann JOHNSON GUDGEL. We visited the family in Athens (just north of Springfield) a year ago last summer, and plan to go back this summer. I am really swamped right now. I agreed to take on too many things. When I get a little spare time, I will see if I can tie all this together and post it. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:00:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: Athens and Springfield, ILL Gudgels Linda, I have been busy just this week trying to locate information about the Gudgels from Athens , ILL. A Gudgel cousin told me that when she was driving from Peoria to Springfield a number of years ago, she went over a Gudgel Bridge near the area where Lincoln walked from New Salem to Springfield to get books to read. I called IDOT in Springfield and the gentleman told me he knew that there was a Gudgel Road in Menard County , the county that New Salem State Park is located in. The Menard County road supervisor sent me a map that arrived in the mail yesterday that shows Gudgel Road and where the road crosses the Sangamon River - no doubt the location of the bridge. My husband and I will plan to drive there sometime in the spring. Also I have had the name of a Civil War veteran from Athens for many years. I have now sent for blanks from the National Archives to see if the records will help in figuring out this Gudgel. The man is Henry T. Gudgel. Also I will try to make contact with a researcher in that area to see what information is available about Gudgel Road and Gudgel Bridge. The information you (Linda) posted may be useful also. Thanks. Ardath Potts From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:38:30 EST Subject: Gudgel Road and Gudgel Bridge I have a very poor photo of the Gudgel Bridge. It is no longer there. It was torn down several years and replaced with a new modern bridge with no name. It is on Gudgel road. If you go south from Athens to Gudgel Road (about a mile), make a right and go a mile or so you will come to the bridge. It was named for the Gudgels that lived nearby. Henry T. and Sarah Ann JOHNSON GUDGEL lived about a quarter of a mile east of the bridge in the 1850's until Henry died during the Civil War. Sarah continued to live there until her death around 1890. Two of their sons, Andrew and William, owned a lot of land around there for many years. We have some photos of Henry and Sarah's land. It is being subdivided now. The only Gudgels still living in Athens as far as I know, Kathryn GUDGEL CARTER and George GUDGEL. They are brother and sister. There are a number of Gudgels that still live south of Springfield. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:03:25 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Gudgeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Gudgel Road and Gudgel Bridge Thanks for the history lesson. Are you talking about Indiana or ILL? I know there is a Robert Gudgel living on or near the old Gudgel farm in Gibson Co, IN. It would be nice to have an outline of who all has lived at the oldest of the Gudgel farms in Ind and other key areas. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes. Gudgeld@aol.com wrote: > I have a very poor photo of the Gudgel Bridge. It is no longer > there. It > was torn down several years and replaced with a new modern > bridge with no > name. It is on Gudgel road. If you go south from Athens to > Gudgel Road > (about a mile), make a right and go a mile or so you will come > to the bridge. > It was named for the Gudgels that lived nearby. Henry T. and > Sarah Ann > JOHNSON GUDGEL lived about a quarter of a mile east of the > bridge in the > 1850's until Henry died during the Civil War. Sarah continued > to live there > until her death around 1890. Two of their sons, Andrew and > William, owned a > lot of land around there for many years. We have some photos > of Henry and > Sarah's land. It is being subdivided now. The only Gudgels > still living in > Athens as far as I know, Kathryn GUDGEL CARTER and George > GUDGEL. They are > brother and sister. There are a number of Gudgels that still > live south of > Springfield. > > Dave Gudgel > Tucson, AZ From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:55:44 EST Subject: Gudgel Road/Bridge It is in Illinois. You are correct about Robert. I talked to him by phone when we were there (Gibson Co., IN) a year ago last summer, but did not meet him. I did meet his sister that still lives adjacent to "Old" Andrews farm. Her name is Ruth GUDGEL ??????. Sorry, I lost her married name. Will have to look it up later. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:13:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel Does anyone know the lineage of John T. Gudgel? Who was his father? I'm sorry to hear that he was a casualty of the Civil War. My great grandfather's brother also died as a result of illness soon after entering the war, and his name was also John Gudgel. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Gudgel and Varvel- post #2 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:44:48 -0500 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Candeev@aol.com=20 To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net=20 Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Gudgel and Varvel Linda, Please post my message with the other Gudgel researchers. We = have=20 about six Varvel researchers who e-mail back and forth. Our current = emphasis=20 has been on the Stucker and Gudgel lines hoping that will give use some = clues=20 on our Varvil lines . We believe that our Woodford, Montgomery, = Franklin and=20 Bath counties KY Varvels originated in Pa. They are in Springhill = township=20 and listed as John Verval and Vervalson. We may descend from the German = Warble, Wirble etc. We have a possible link in Hampshire county, VA = before=20 they came to PA. One Varvil, Abraham married a Peggy Righthouse and = moved to=20 Jefferson county, IN. They seem to live close to the Stuckers and = Gudgels=20 both in IN and in KY around Glen's Creek. You might want to check the = Varvel=20 forum. Steve Varvel has done a lot of research. I have let the Varvel=20 researchers know about your site. We do not know the names of any of = the=20 women that the Varvels married in PA, VA or KY. My greatgrandfather = George=20 Washington Varvil was born in Montgomery county, KY in 1821. The family = moved to IN then Il in 1853. We are also trying to figure out how the=20 Varvels might be related to the Varbles of Rowan county, NC and later of = Oldam county, KY and IN. Since the Varvels, Stuckers, Mitchells, = Gudgels etc=20 seemed to move from PA to KY and then to IN at the same time we feel = that=20 they were at least neighbors and possibly related. Candee=20 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Gudgel and Varvel Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:44:17 -0500 I received this post from Candee Varvil today and have her permission to = forward it to the GUDGEL list. I, personally, am not familiar with the = surname, VARVIL, or any of their vairations such as VARVIL(L), = VARVEL(L), VERVAL(L), VERVALSON, etc. If someone has a reference to this name in relation to the GUDGEL's = please post this to the list and to Candee, as well. I am excited about = the fact they seemed to have been neighbors in PA, KY and IN too. I = have checked the Marriages Bonds and Consents in Woodford Co., KY and = did find the family here at the same time. There is one other email = that I received tonight with more information that will be forwarded = following this one. This is exciting--first connection I've known of to = a family in PA maybe?? Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Candeev@aol.com=20 To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net=20 Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Gudgel and Varvel Hello, I saw your excellent site on the Gudgel family. The Varvel = family is=20 often mentioned by them in Fayette, Westmoreland, PA and Woodford, KY. = The=20 family is listed as Verval or Vervalson in PA and Varvel, Varvill etc in = KY. =20 They also show up together with them and the Stucker's in IN. By any = chance=20 have you come across this name in your research? If so I would enjoy=20 hearing from you. Candee Varvil candeev@aol.com=20 From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:19:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: Another David Gudgel I think the Gudgel -list cousins might be interested to know that one of our cousins is currently running for mayor of Keokuk, Iowa. His name is David Gudgel. His father was a first cousin to my mother. David is trying to defeat the current mayor. So a victory will not come easily. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: Subject: Re: Gudgel and Varvel Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:02:46 -0500 Candee- I have forwarded both previous emails to the GUDGEL list and we will see = if anyone has run across this name before. I have checked the Marriage Bonds and Consents, Woodford Co., KY, Vol. I = and 2 and find these documents: Vol. 1: 1779-1830 VARBLE, George and Sarah CARTER- 18 August 1812 Bondsman: Lewis Sublett made oath that Sarah Carter is over 21 years of = age. VARVELL, Isaac and Polly PULLIAM - 20 March 1821 Bondsman: William Pulliam VARVIL, Henry and Sarah CASTILE (CASTEELE) - 26 Sept., 1801 Bondsman: John STUCKER - Consent: John Castile, father of Sarah. Consent attested by John STUCKER and Daniel WHITE. HARRINGER, Coonrod and Barbara VARVILL - 14 February 1798 Consent: Henry VARVILL - Consent: John VARVILL, father of Barbara. Consent attested by John Milehill and Henry VARVILL. Vol. 2: 1831 - 1861 VARBLE, James L. and Martha SMITHER - 5 November 1840 Bondsman: Samuel CORNELL - Consent: William D. Smither, father of = Martha. Consent attested by Alexander Smither and Samuel Cornell. (Not sure about the name VARBLE but I thought it could be close enough I = also included that information. Any of these documents can be copied = through the Woodford Co. Historical Society where copies of the = originals are kept on file. If you want copies just let me know). Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Candeev@aol.com=20 To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net=20 Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Gudgel and Varvel Linda, Please post my message with the other Gudgel researchers. We = have=20 about six Varvel researchers who e-mail back and forth. Our current = emphasis=20 has been on the Stucker and Gudgel lines hoping that will give use = some clues=20 on our Varvil lines . We believe that our Woodford, Montgomery, = Franklin and=20 Bath counties KY Varvels originated in Pa. They are in Springhill = township=20 and listed as John Verval and Vervalson. We may descend from the = German=20 Warble, Wirble etc. We have a possible link in Hampshire county, VA = before=20 they came to PA. One Varvil, Abraham married a Peggy Righthouse and = moved to=20 Jefferson county, IN. They seem to live close to the Stuckers and = Gudgels=20 both in IN and in KY around Glen's Creek. You might want to check the = Varvel=20 forum. Steve Varvel has done a lot of research. I have let the = Varvel=20 researchers know about your site. We do not know the names of any of = the=20 women that the Varvels married in PA, VA or KY. My greatgrandfather = George=20 Washington Varvil was born in Montgomery county, KY in 1821. The = family=20 moved to IN then Il in 1853. We are also trying to figure out how the = Varvels might be related to the Varbles of Rowan county, NC and later = of=20 Oldam county, KY and IN. Since the Varvels, Stuckers, Mitchells, = Gudgels etc=20 seemed to move from PA to KY and then to IN at the same time we feel = that=20 they were at least neighbors and possibly related. Candee=20 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: Subject: Re: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:42:45 -0500 Ardath= The John T. GUDGEL mentioned in the Springfield, IL obit information I sent several days ago is not the same John T. GUDGELL that went to Livingston Co., MO. I also wondered who the John T. GUDGEL was in Springfield, IL. John T. GUDGEL(L) who went to Missouri was: born November 21, 1819 Anderson Co., KY, d. January 8, 1865 Livingston Co., MO. He married Lovey GREGORY in 1837 Carroll Co., MO. He was the son of Jacob GUDGEL and Elizabeth ARBUCKLE. BTW, I don't think I thanked you for sending me copies of the group sheets and other data in relation to Jacob GUDGELL and Druscilla DRISKELL and some of their lines. I really appreciate it. Please let us know if you find out who the other John T. GUDGEL in Illinois was. Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel > > Does anyone know the lineage of John T. Gudgel? Who was his father? > I'm sorry to hear that he was a casualty of the Civil War. My great > grandfather's brother also died as a result of illness soon after > entering the war, and his name was also John Gudgel. > > Ardath Potts > From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Stucker/Castle connection Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:14:04 -0800 Linda, I just run across a note I had made months ago about John Stucker Sr. marrying Rebecca Castle in 1792. Maybe John Stucker Sr. was a brother-in-law of Sarah Castile and Henry Varvil mentioned in your last post. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:08:01 -0600 (CST) To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net (Linda Gudgel Finnell) Subject: Re: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel Linda, I made an error here. The Gudgel from Athens who was in the Civil War was Henry T. Gudgel. That is the one I was wondering if anyone might know the lineage of. Sorry about that. Ardath Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: Subject: Re: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:42:45 -0500 Ardath= The John T. GUDGEL mentioned in the Springfield, IL obit information I sent several days ago is not the same John T. GUDGELL that went to Livingston Co., MO. I also wondered who the John T. GUDGEL was in Springfield, IL. John T. GUDGEL(L) who went to Missouri was: born November 21, 1819 Anderson Co., KY, d. January 8, 1865 Livingston Co., MO. He married Lovey GREGORY in 1837 Carroll Co., MO. He was the son of Jacob GUDGEL and Elizabeth ARBUCKLE. BTW, I don't think I thanked you for sending me copies of the group sheets and other data in relation to Jacob GUDGELL and Druscilla DRISKELL and some of their lines. I really appreciate it. Please let us know if you find out who the other John T. GUDGEL in Illinois was. Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel > > Does anyone know the lineage of John T. Gudgel? Who was his father? > I'm sorry to hear that he was a casualty of the Civil War. My great > grandfather's brother also died as a result of illness soon after > entering the war, and his name was also John Gudgel. > > Ardath Potts > --WebTV-Mail-31519-2508-- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:30:30 -0800 Ardath, Henry Thomas (b abt 1827 d: 1861 Married Sarah Ann Johnson) is the son of William, son of Andrew, son of Frederick. Vivian From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:44:51 -0600 (CST) To: vgudgell@whidbey.net (Vivian Gudgell) Subject: Re: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel Vivian, Thank you. Now I can fit this into my file. We live just two hours from Springfield and Athens. But I knew this was not in my line of descension from John son of old Andrew. Ardath Ardath Potts From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:30:30 -0800 Ardath, Henry Thomas (b abt 1827 d: 1861 Married Sarah Ann Johnson) is the son of William, son of Andrew, son of Frederick. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Athens, Illinois and John T. Gudgel > Linda, I made an error here. The Gudgel from Athens who was in the > Civil War was Henry T. Gudgel. That is the one I was wondering if > anyone might know the lineage of. Sorry about that. Ardath > > Ardath Potts > > --WebTV-Mail-2571-679-- From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: , Subject: Re: Gudgel Road and Gudgel Bridge Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:10:35 -0600 Dave.......... Thanks for the Gudgel Bridge Info. That reminds me that I probably have some pictures ofthat old bridge. (I can't imagine having driven down there without taking pictures). Will see what I can dig up. -jennette gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Unidentified GUDGEL(L)'s-Illinois Marriage Index Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:48:45 -0500 On the Menard Co., IL GenWeb Page I found a link to the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index 1763-1900. Of 53 GUDGEL(L) entries I have listed the one's below that I can't identify. Hoping someone can identify these people for me. If you know who/where these GUDGEL(L)'s fit in our tree please be so kind as to respond to the list also so that we can share in the information. I think a lot of these people came out of Indiana into Illinois. Thanks, Linda BRIDES: L.D. Meisner to Mrs. Elizabeth GUDGELL Macoupin Co. Jan. 6, 1846 Alfred Barton to Ella GUDGELL LaSalle Co. August 3, 1884 Joseph H. Treasten to Florence M. GUDGELL Pike Co. January 10, 1897 Elmer V. Williams to Mae GUDGELL Rock Island Co. June 15, 1898 Isaac F. Jones to Martha E. GUDGELL Richalnd Co. February 1, 1887 Ralph Prtichard to Della (Bella?) GUDGEL Richland Co. March 23, 1910 James W. Rider to Elizabeth GUDGEL Coles Co. March 23, 1869 Francis R. Yoakum to Missouria A. GUDGEL Menard Co. February 27, 1870 Charles Brown to Ola GUDGEL Richland Co. October 7, 1903 Orlie Adkins to Phoebe E. GUDGEL Pike Co. July 24, 1898 Samuel J. Cochran to Salina E. GUDGEL Richland Co. September 22, 1903 John W. Butcher to Stella GUDGEL LaSalle Co. December 16, 1880 GROOMS: Allen GUDGEL to Mary Ramage Adams Co. August 13, 1862 James GUDGEL to Rosette Hulverson St. Clair Co. June 28, 1893 James F. GUDGEL to Melissa Ferren Richland Co. February 22, 1877 William GUDGEL to Elizabeth Bird Richland Co. February 2, 1873 Andrew GUDGELL to Elizabeth Miller Hancock Co. February 16, 1850 From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Unidentified GUDGEL(L)'s-Illinois Marriage Index Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:46:09 -0800 Hi Cousins, I have identified most of Linda's list. They are as follows: Martha E. Gudgel b: abt 1858 dau. of Abraham, son of Abram, son of Andrew, son of Frederick. Della Gudgel b: apr. 1887, dau. of James, son of Abraham, son of Abram, son of Andrew, son of Frederick. Ola gudgel b: 1883 dau. of James, son of Abraham, son of Abram, son of Andrew, son of Frederick. Salina Ella Gudgel b: Feb. 1885, dau. of William, son of Abraham, son of Abram, son of Andrew, son of Frederick. Allen Gudgel b; Mar. 1839, son of Andrew, son of John, son of Andrew, son of Frederick. Allen's 2nd wife was Lydia Fitzpatrick b: June 1842 James F. Gudgel b: 1852 d: after 1913, son of Abraham, son of Abram, son Andrew, son of Frederick. William S. Gudgel b: 1 Dec. 1849 d: 4 Jul. 1925, son of Abraham, son of Abram, son of Andrew, son of Frederick William's 2nd wife was Melissa C. Rucker. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Unidentified GUDGEL(L)'s-Illinois Marriage Index > On the Menard Co., IL GenWeb Page I found a link to the Illinois Statewide > Marriage Index 1763-1900. Of 53 GUDGEL(L) entries I have listed the one's > below that I can't identify. Hoping someone can identify these people for > me. If you know who/where these > GUDGEL(L)'s fit in our tree please be so kind as to respond to the list also > so that we can share in the information. I think a lot of these people came > out of Indiana into Illinois. > Thanks, > Linda > > BRIDES: > > L.D. Meisner to Mrs. Elizabeth GUDGELL Macoupin Co. Jan. 6, 1846 > > Alfred Barton to Ella GUDGELL LaSalle Co. August > 3, 1884 > > Joseph H. Treasten to Florence M. GUDGELL Pike Co. January 10, 1897 > > Elmer V. Williams to Mae GUDGELL Rock Island Co. June 15, 1898 > > Isaac F. Jones to Martha E. GUDGELL Richalnd Co. February > 1, 1887 > > Ralph Prtichard to Della (Bella?) GUDGEL Richland Co. March > 23, 1910 > > James W. Rider to Elizabeth GUDGEL Coles Co. March > 23, 1869 > > Francis R. Yoakum to Missouria A. GUDGEL Menard Co. February 27, > 1870 > > Charles Brown to Ola GUDGEL Richland Co. > October 7, 1903 > > Orlie Adkins to Phoebe E. GUDGEL Pike Co. July > 24, 1898 > > Samuel J. Cochran to Salina E. GUDGEL Richland Co. September > 22, 1903 > > John W. Butcher to Stella GUDGEL LaSalle Co. > December 16, 1880 > > GROOMS: > > Allen GUDGEL to Mary Ramage Adams Co. August > 13, 1862 > > James GUDGEL to Rosette Hulverson St. Clair Co. June > 28, 1893 > > James F. GUDGEL to Melissa Ferren Richland Co. > February 22, 1877 > > William GUDGEL to Elizabeth Bird Richland Co. > February 2, 1873 > > Andrew GUDGELL to Elizabeth Miller Hancock Co. February > 16, 1850 > > > > > From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:24:47 -0600 (CST) To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net (Linda Gudgel Finnell) Subject: Re: Unidentified GUDGEL(L)'s-Illinois Marriage Index I can fill in a few of these. Florence M. (Myrtle) Gudgell was my grandmother's sister. She married Joseph Treaster (note 'r') The line is Myrtle Gudgel, David Gudgel, Andrew Gudgel, John Gudgel, Andrew Gudgel, Frederick Gudgel Phoebe Gudgel is Mia Fleegle's great-grandmother and a sister to Myrtle (above). The line is the same as Myrtle's. Andrew Gudgel is my great, great grandfather and Elizabeth Shaner Miller is my great, great grandmother. This was a second marriage for both. His line is Andrew, John, Frederick. Andrew and Allen on this list are half-brothers. Allen's mother was Elizabeth Staples. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Unidentified GUDGEL(L)'s-Illinois Marriage Index Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:48:45 -0500 On the Menard Co., IL GenWeb Page I found a link to the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index 1763-1900. Of 53 GUDGEL(L) entries I have listed the one's below that I can't identify. Hoping someone can identify these people for me. If you know who/where these GUDGEL(L)'s fit in our tree please be so kind as to respond to the list also so that we can share in the information. I think a lot of these people came out of Indiana into Illinois. Thanks, Linda BRIDES: L.D. Meisner to Mrs. Elizabeth GUDGELL Macoupin Co. Jan. 6, 1846 Alfred Barton to Ella GUDGELL LaSalle Co. August 3, 1884 Joseph H. Treasten to Florence M. GUDGELL Pike Co. January 10, 1897 Elmer V. Williams to Mae GUDGELL Rock Island Co. June 15, 1898 Isaac F. Jones to Martha E. GUDGELL Richalnd Co. February 1, 1887 Ralph Prtichard to Della (Bella?) GUDGEL Richland Co. March 23, 1910 James W. Rider to Elizabeth GUDGEL Coles Co. March 23, 1869 Francis R. Yoakum to Missouria A. GUDGEL Menard Co. February 27, 1870 Charles Brown to Ola GUDGEL Richland Co. October 7, 1903 Orlie Adkins to Phoebe E. GUDGEL Pike Co. July 24, 1898 Samuel J. Cochran to Salina E. GUDGEL Richland Co. September 22, 1903 John W. Butcher to Stella GUDGEL LaSalle Co. December 16, 1880 GROOMS: Allen GUDGEL to Mary Ramage Adams Co. August 13, 1862 James GUDGEL to Rosette Hulverson St. Clair Co. June 28, 1893 James F. GUDGEL to Melissa Ferren Richland Co. February 22, 1877 William GUDGEL to Elizabeth Bird Richland Co. February 2, 1873 Andrew GUDGELL to Elizabeth Miller Hancock Co. February 16, 1850 --WebTV-Mail-13711-52-- From: "Stephen Walker" Cc: "Shannon and Steve Walker" Subject: Joseph Gufgel SR. Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:06:12 -0500 Who does this Joseph Gudgel Sr. belong to excerpt taken out of 1850 Bath County Kentucky Census? 16 750 750 Joseph Gudgel Sr 48 M W Farming = 25130 Ky G324=20 17 750 750 Louisa Gudgel 35 F W = Ky G324=20 18 750 750 Andrew Gudgel 10 M W = Ky X G324=20 19 750 750 Ephraim Gudgel 8 M W = Ky X G324=20 20 750 750 Charles Gudgel 4 M W = Ky G324=20 21 750 750 James Gudgel 9/12 M W = Ky G324=20 22 750 750 Jane Logan 26 F W = Ky L250=20 23 750 750 Mary Gudgel 16 F W = Ky X G324=20 24 750 750 Elizabeth Gudgel 14 F W = Ky =20 Thanks=20 Shannon From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Stephen Walker" , Cc: "Shannon and Steve Walker" Subject: Re: Joseph Gufgel SR. Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:34:22 -0800 Hello Stephen and cousins This Joseph is a son of Andrew Jr., son of Andrew, son of Frederick. = James and Charles are the owners of the famous gudgel cattle ranch in = Mo. Joseph's wife is Louisa Groves. Vivian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Walker=20 To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com=20 Cc: Shannon and Steve Walker=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Joseph Gufgel SR. Who does this Joseph Gudgel Sr. belong to excerpt taken out of 1850 Bath County Kentucky Census? 16 750 750 Joseph Gudgel Sr 48 M W Farming = 25130 Ky G324=20 17 750 750 Louisa Gudgel 35 F W = Ky G324=20 18 750 750 Andrew Gudgel 10 M W = Ky X G324=20 19 750 750 Ephraim Gudgel 8 M W = Ky X G324=20 20 750 750 Charles Gudgel 4 M W = Ky G324=20 21 750 750 James Gudgel 9/12 M W = Ky G324=20 22 750 750 Jane Logan 26 F W = Ky L250=20 23 750 750 Mary Gudgel 16 F W = Ky X G324=20 24 750 750 Elizabeth Gudgel 14 F W = Ky =20 Thanks=20 Shannon From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Illinois GUDGEL(L)'s Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:33:01 -0500 YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!! Ardath- Just checking to make sure my interpretation is correct on Myrtle. Is she the daughter of David Milton GUDGEL and Nancy Ellen Smith? And married to Joseph Treaster? Your notes say her sister was Phoebe GUDGELL who married Orlie Adkins? Were there other children from the marriage of Myrtle and David? Vivian- I also had a question on James F. GUDGEL (I had middle initial as "C".) Married to Malice Farrer February 22, 1877 Richland Co., IL. Is this the same James, son of Abram GUDGELL and Anne Elizabeth BURCH? The info. I have is that James was bur. in Leach Cemetery, Claremont Twp. According to the 1900 Census Richland Co., IL he was born Sept., 1849. Is this not correct? BTW, does anyone know if there were other children other than Abraham (Abram-b. 1814), from the marriage of Abraham GUDGEL and Elizabeth HARBISON? I have not found other children but I would think there would be more. Dave- Thanks for the information on Missouria GUDGELL and Francis Yoakum. I had her but not her husband. In fact, I had several Missouri GUDGEL(L)'s...interesting how people named their children. There have been a lot of Benjamin Franklin's, Lorenzo Dow's, etc. I have to remember that sometimes I just have to ask. Seems someone always comes up with answers most of the time! Thanks- Linda Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:05:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Unidentified GUDGEL(L)'s-Illinois Marriage Index I think I can identify a few more of these mystery Gudgels James F. Gudgel who married Melissa Ferren had a daughter Ola as seen in 1900 Federal Census Claremont Twp. Richland Co., Illinois v.138, ed 119 Sheet 3, line 81-85 64/66 GUDGEL, James Sept. 1849 50 IN IN IN Ola Feb. 1883 17 IL IN? IL? Lawrence Nov. 1885 14 " " " Bella Apr. 1887 13 " " " Anna Nov. 1889 10 " " " (NOTE: this census was VERY difficult to read!) The Missouri A. Gudgel who married Francis R. Yakum is the daughter of Henry Thomas Gudgel and Sarah Ann Johnson. Missouri also married a Mr. Osgood according to some notes I have. Mia **************************************************** On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > On the Menard Co., IL GenWeb Page I found a link to the Illinois Statewide > Marriage Index 1763-1900. Of 53 GUDGEL(L) entries I have listed the one's > below that I can't identify. Hoping someone can identify these people for > me. If you know who/where these > GUDGEL(L)'s fit in our tree please be so kind as to respond to the list also > so that we can share in the information. I think a lot of these people came > out of Indiana into Illinois. > Thanks, > Linda > > BRIDES: > > L.D. Meisner to Mrs. Elizabeth GUDGELL Macoupin Co. Jan. 6, 1846 > > Alfred Barton to Ella GUDGELL LaSalle Co. August > 3, 1884 > > Elmer V. Williams to Mae GUDGELL Rock Island Co. June 15, 1898 > > James W. Rider to Elizabeth GUDGEL Coles Co. March > 23, 1869 > > Francis R. Yoakum to Missouria A. GUDGEL Menard Co. February 27, > 1870 > > John W. Butcher to Stella GUDGEL LaSalle Co. > December 16, 1880 > > GROOMS: > > James GUDGEL to Rosette Hulverson St. Clair Co. June > 28, 1893 > From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Finnell" Subject: Re; James F Gudgel Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:33:03 -0800 Hello, Linda, I believe we are talking about the same James. His wife named Malice or Melissa could sound the same. I have his birth as Sept. 1849 on Jame's family sheet ,but on his father's sheet I have 1852, calculated from the 1860 census where he is listed as age 8. I have only one child for Abram Sr. but there could be more. Sorry, to be confusing on the dates and I got the daughter as "DELLA" form the 1900 census, but mine came from a transcription, not an original document. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:49:12 EST Subject: Re: Unidentified GUDGEL(L)'s-Illinois Marriage Index Mia; I would be interested in the information from your notes on the possible=20 marriage of Missouri Ann GUDGEL to an Osgood. I saw some information that=20 mentioned a Mary Osgood (I will have to dig it out and look at it again) and= =20 assumed that was the daughter of Missouri Ann and Francis Yoakum that was=20 named Mary Ann. I just noticed that I didn't send my note to Linda to the list, so will=20 attach it here for your information. Linda; The only one I recognize is the one above. =A0Missouri Ann was the daughter=20= of=20 Henry T. and Sarah Ann (JOHNSON) GUDGEL. =A0I knew she married Francis Yoaku= m=20 in 1870, bit didn't have the exact date. =A0Missouri Ann was born on July 10= ,=20 1855 in Athens, IL., and was only fifteen when she was married. =A0The 1870=20 census shows Francis and Missouri Ann living with Sarah and some of the othe= r=20 children. =A0Family lore indicates the family was upset by the marriage and=20 Francis and Missouri Ann left. =A0I have some information that indicates the= y=20 went to Alabama, but am not at all sure about that. =A0Missouri died young a= nd=20 a daughter named Mary Ann that was raised by Sarah. =A0In some GUDGEL probat= e=20 records I found in Petersburg, IL (the Menard County seat) she was listed as= =20 Mary Harris, but I really don't know anything more about her. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Finnell" Subject: Re: Varble/Gudgell connection Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:36:25 -0800 Linda, I was going over my notes, and found this piece about the VARBLE family. I had saved it because it mentioned a 1st m. LEE GUDGELL, from Milton. I don't recognize that Gudgell, do You? Anyway, you can pass this along to your VARBLE family if you think they would be interested. Vivian ############### VARBLE, Robert Henry, 85, Versailes, IN, died 30 Apr 1962, (bur. Moffett Cem.) b. Oldham Co., 21 Jul 1876, eldest s/o Susan Henry and Jacob Clifton Varble. 1st m. LEE GUDGEL, Milton, she died many years ago, 1 son, Robert L. Varble. m. 2nd to SARAH LOUISE RANDALL, Louisville, she died 17 mo. ago, 1 son, Garland R. Varble. Also survived by 1 bro., Charles C. Varble, 4 sis., Mrs. Lora Garrett, Mrs. C. G. Jackson, Mrs. C. B. Clem and Mrs. Emmett Jackson. Preceded by 2 bro., James L. and William Varble, sis., Mrs. Alice Gossom From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Finnell" Subject: Re: Varble/Gudgell connection Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:36:25 -0800 Linda, I was going over my notes, and found this piece about the VARBLE family. I had saved it because it mentioned a 1st m. LEE GUDGELL, from Milton. I don't recognize that Gudgell, do You? Anyway, you can pass this along to your VARBLE family if you think they would be interested. Vivian ############### VARBLE, Robert Henry, 85, Versailes, IN, died 30 Apr 1962, (bur. Moffett Cem.) b. Oldham Co., 21 Jul 1876, eldest s/o Susan Henry and Jacob Clifton Varble. 1st m. LEE GUDGEL, Milton, she died many years ago, 1 son, Robert L. Varble. m. 2nd to SARAH LOUISE RANDALL, Louisville, she died 17 mo. ago, 1 son, Garland R. Varble. Also survived by 1 bro., Charles C. Varble, 4 sis., Mrs. Lora Garrett, Mrs. C. G. Jackson, Mrs. C. B. Clem and Mrs. Emmett Jackson. Preceded by 2 bro., James L. and William Varble, sis., Mrs. Alice Gossom Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Vivian Gudgell cc: Linda Finnell , Subject: Re: Varble/Gudgell connection Hello Vivian I have Lee Gudgel as the daughter of William Gudgel and Elizabeth Herndon, and a granddaughter to Elijah Gudgel and Lydia Ann Bell. 1880 Federal Census Anderson County, Kentucky Page 17 126/166 GUDGEL, Will 51 Head Carpenter KY KY KY Elizabeth 40 wife Keeps House KY KY KY Sallie 8 dau KY KY KY Louvina 6 dau KY KY KY Lee 2 dau KY KY KY H. 18 step-son KY KY KY Robt. 15 step-son KY KY KY Mia Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Gudgeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Unidentified GUDGEL(L)'s-Illinois Marriage Index Hello Dave, I took a look at some of my notes and didn't come up with the source of the Osgood Marriage so I checked the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index 1763 - 1900 and found: OSGOOD, ROBERT W to YOAKUM, MOLLIE MENARD 08/19/1895 Vol.B, page 109 Lic.No.6597 I'll bet you are right that it was the daughter that married the Osgood. Mia On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 Gudgeld@aol.com wrote: > Mia; > > I would be interested in the information from your notes on the possible > marriage of Missouri Ann GUDGEL to an Osgood. I saw some information that > mentioned a Mary Osgood (I will have to dig it out and look at it again) and > assumed that was the daughter of Missouri Ann and Francis Yoakum that was > named Mary Ann. > > I just noticed that I didn't send my note to Linda to the list, so will > attach it here for your information. > > Linda; > > The only one I recognize is the one above.  Missouri Ann was the daughter of > Henry T. and Sarah Ann (JOHNSON) GUDGEL.  I knew she married Francis Yoakum > in 1870, bit didn't have the exact date.  Missouri Ann was born on July 10, > 1855 in Athens, IL., and was only fifteen when she was married.  The 1870 > census shows Francis and Missouri Ann living with Sarah and some of the other > children.  Family lore indicates the family was upset by the marriage and > Francis and Missouri Ann left.  I have some information that indicates they > went to Alabama, but am not at all sure about that.  Missouri died young and > a daughter named Mary Ann that was raised by Sarah.  In some GUDGEL probate > records I found in Petersburg, IL (the Menard County seat) she was listed as > Mary Harris, but I really don't know anything more about her. > > Dave Gudgel > Tucson, AZ > From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 4 06:25:39 2001 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA26787; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:24:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:24:58 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c0a4b4$c84668e0$1a16fc9e@lindascomputer> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: GUDGELL/TRIMBLE-1857 Franklin/Woodford Co., KY Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:09:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"42FxZ1.0.NY6.w0bew"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1798 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Good Morning to all my GUDGEL(L) cousins. I would have loved to have stayed in my gown this rainy Sunday morning! But, I am up and have fixed breakfast and getting ready for church. I wanted to share this but of info. I found last night on the internet when I searched the Vital Statistics records on the Franklin Co., KY GenWeb page. (BTW, Frankfort is the county seat of Franklin Co.). Births: November 20, 1857- David S. TRIMBLE, male, alive-born Woodford Co., KY-father: Jonathan TRIMBLE; mother: Priscilla GUDGELL-white; parents residence-Franklin Co. November 20, 1857-Nancy Ann TRINBLE-female-alive- all other information is the same as above. Sp apparently they were twins. Does anyone know who this Priscilla GUDGELL is? Another thing I wanted to let you know. The Indiana Cemetery Project Restoration group is apparently soon going to begin focusing on the cemeteries in Gibson Co., IN this spring and summer. I think they have about 175 to 200 cemeteries that need work done and the GUDGEL Cemetery is one of them. Mr. Ernie Lasley, local Gibson Co. historian, is sort of heading up this project, In case you don't recall it, Mr. Lasley is the one who was kind enough to take pictures of the cemetery for Terri Montigny's mother(?), I believe, and she sent copies to me. Just thought you guys would like to know and I will keep you posted as this progresses. Everybody have a good day. Linda Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 08:18:08 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL cemetary in IN--restoratioin Linda, Thanks for keeping up on the restoration project in Gibson Co, IN. Do you know what they are going to be doing? Do you know if the Gudgels living on the old farm will be participating? In fact, is anyone in contact with those Gudgels? I believe the man's name is Robert Gudgel and maybe there is a sister nearby? Please fill us in folks. And it would be nice if Robert Gudgel could be a part of our 'list group'--even if it nothing more than a letter to one of us that we post to the web. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: George Brown GUDGEL- Wabash Co., IL Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:50:54 -0500 I have some information on a cemetery that I hope someone can add to this family for me. Highland Memorial Cemetery Mt. Carmel Precint Wabash Co., IL George Brown GUDGEL d. 1943 George Lloyd GUDGEL d. 1972 Lora GUDGEL d. 1953 I believe George Brown GUDGEL (B. abt. 1867 Gibson Co., IN) to tbe the husband of Lora Johnson GUDGEL. Who is George Lloyd GUDGEL? (Maybe a son?). I have only one child known born to them, a daughter, Blanche (1902-1971), who married Omer KEEN I have George Brown GUDGEL as the son of Edward Thomas GUDGEL (b. 1835 Gibson Co., IN, d. May 16, 1908 (where?), and Elizabeth "Betsey" BLYTHE (b. 1836 Gibson Co., IN, d. 1899 Gibson Co., IN); and the grandson of William GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN. Can someone give me more information on the family of Edward Thomas GUDGEL and fill in some of the missing details of the family of George Brown GUDGEL also? Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL(L) information on Rootsweb World Connect site Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:27:45 -0500 Hi Folks- I just visited the Rootsweb World Connect site and am a little concerned about the information being submitted there. A lot of good information was there (19 pages) but....... a lot of suspicious and darn right inaccuate information is being put on there too. I know I can't do anything about it but it bothers me. All the more reason I hope we can eventually begin a site that we can control as to the information submitted . I believe it's been two years this April since we began collecting information in the archives (Bob, please correct me if I'm wrong), and we have built a wonderful archive for any researcher. I just hope we can eventually put it in some kind of organized site that it can be easier to extract needed information. Maybe when this wedding is over I will have more time for such a project. And let me say again.....THANK YOU, BOB! Just had to let off some steam I guess. BTW, I noticed the names of the researchers on the World Connect site and there are many I have never heard of. (Click on their "email handle" and it will tell you who it is). So there are lots more people out there that we should be in contact with....but that's another project . Thanks for listening to me whine : ) Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:53:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Gudgel list Anniversary! That's too bad, Linda, about all the mis-information online. At least, we can post to these sites, sometimes, that we exist here in a more of a peer reviewed and criticized form. By the way, we now have sixty-five (65) subscribers on this list! And I didn't think about it, but, the first posting, (from you, Linda), was just a little over 3 years ago on 15 Jan 1998 ! Happy Anniversary Gudgel List! Here's to many more! Bob Gudgel Everett, WA From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: 65 GUDGEL(L) list subscribers!! Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:41:56 -0500 Bob- I can't beleive it has been 3 years since we started this. You know the saying..."Time flys when you're having fun.".....well, we must be having a good time! And 65 subscribers is wonderful! I have an idea. We seem to be adding new cousins all the time and I think some of you may just be "readers" (and that's sure okay), but we'd like to meet and talk to you. Everyone has something to add to the list by just being a part of us. How about we do a "Roll Call" and introduce yourself, tell us a little about yourself and your family and give us a brief line of descent related to the GUDGEL(L) family. Might be surprised who'se out there looking for the same line as yours and waiting to talk to you!! Happy 3rd Anniversary To All Of The GUDGEL(L) Cousins!! Linda from cold (20's to 30's) Kentucky. I think spring has had a relapse! From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL(L) ROLL CALL Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:13:12 -0500 Hi Everybody! I'll be the first to answer our roll call. My name is Linda GUDGEL FINNELL. Born and raised in Alton, Anderson Co., KY. I work full time as a District Court Clerk. Married 31 years to Gary. 2 daughters, Gina (26, single, teacher) and Carrie (22, Univ. KY senior, Communications Disorders major, graduating & marrying in May, 2001). My lineage: Andrew, Sr.>Jacob>Elijah>Jacob>Allie>Samuel>Norman>Linda I am also Vice President of the Woodford Co., KY Historical Society. I have researched the GUDGEL(L) family for at least 25 years and never tire of it. I love knowing about my cousins and ancestors and am so thankful for this mail-list and the GUDGEL(L) newsletter. That's about it. Linda From: "Stephen Walker" Cc: "Shannon and Steve Walker" Subject: Roll call Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:44:19 -0500 Hi All, My name is Shannon Walker , My husband Stephen Walker is actually the Gudgell heir..... We live in Dayton Ohio we've been married 2 1/2 years. Daughter Hanna who is 2 and son Nicolas who is 8. I am currently a stay home mom, but in my past life lol I am a Medical Assistant. Steve grew up in Fairborn, Ohio. He is an Operations Manager for Mill and Lumber Company. here is his line Steve>Margaret>Omer>William"Bryan">George"Dallas" >John T>Thomas F>Allen>Andrew Sr>Frederick Ofcourse I am still researching my line........... From: "Sam Gudgel" Subject: ROLL CALL Old-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:01:49 -0500 Hello Everyone... I'm sorry to say I'm not very active in the list but do read most of the mail. I'll be the third to answer the roll call. My name is Samuel (Sam) E. GUDGEL (Linda Finnell's older brother). I was also born and raised in Alton, Anderson Co.,KY. I work full time as President of REAL-TIME Technologies, Inc., a computer retail, wholesale, networking and training company. I got married in 1967 to Joanne Elizabeth Bailey. Divorced in 1986. I have 2 daughters, Keri-Jo (33, single) and Stacey Lee (29, Married). Stacey has a son (Zachary) I clipped my lineage from Linda's list as SHE is the Genealogy Expert of THIS family. Andrew, Sr.>Jacob>Elijah>Jacob>Allie>Samuel>Norman>Samuel Since my job takes so much of my time I have very little left for anything else. I do like to travel when possible. As a "somewhat" hobby, I write in a web language called ColdFusion. This occupies my mind when all else fails. You can see both Stacey and Myself at: http://www.rt-tech.com/rtt/contact/contact.cfm Regards to all... Sam Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:19:51 -0500 From: Juanita Diorio Subject: GUDGEL(L) ROLL CALL Good idea, Linda! I'll follow suit using your format to introduce myself. It's a good one. I am Juanita Jo GUDGEL DIORIO. I was born in Dayton, Ohio, but my roots on all sides are in Gibson County, Indiana. I lived there briefly when I was very young and still visit cousins there as frequently as possible. Joe and I live in a suburb of Dayton called Kettering. We have been married for 42 years and have two daughters. Karen, age 38, married a British lad and they live in Winchester, England with their three children (2 boys, 8 & 5; 1 girl, almost 3). Our daughter, Donna is 32, unmarried , a medical technologist, and lives in Cincinnati, Ohio. My lineage: Andrew, Sr. > William > Abraham > Ora Joseph > Juanita My direct ancestor in each generation was the last or one of the last of the children born to that family. I have continued my mother's and grandmother's interest in our family's genealogy and am currently in contact with links to three of my branches -- Carithers, Stormont, and King -- in addition to Gudgel. It is an engrossing hobby, isn't it? I feel very close to my ancestors and love learning about them. I'm happy to be one of the Gudgel cousins, Juanita Gudgel Diorio From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Roll call Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:18:01 -0800 Hello Cousins, I am Vivian, the other half of Lyle and Vivian Gudgell. I started researching Lyle's line just last year. Lyle had a heart attack and by-pass surgery last May and his sister and brother came from Illinois to Washington to visit him in July. His sister brought some old documents that had belonged to Lyle's grandfather, Charles Thornton Gudgell. They had been found in the attic of an old garage of the family. This is the incident that started an avid search for more history of his family. I must give many thanks to the Gudgel-list for helping me trace his line back to Old Daniel. I could not have done it without your help. Lyle grew up in Bureau Co. Illinois. We have been married 59 years; Lyle will be 80 yrs. old next Sunday, and I was 80 yrs. last month. Our first home was in a little house built by Lyle's father for their first home in the town of Thomas, Illinois. The town of Thomas was named after Lyle's Mother's father, who was the postmaster at that time. We have since lived in southern California and northern California on Shasta Lake before moving to Camano Island, Washington. Our family has always loved the water and boating. We have one son, Dennis, who is living on a sailboat in New Zealand at the present time. He and his wife are just having a great time sailing, fishing, and exploring the island. He has three children, Kristin, Ryan and Matthew. Kristin is married and has a little son, Antonio. Ryan is a database technician for Phoenix Cement Co. in Clarkdale, Arizona. He would enjoy hearing from some of you Arizona cousins, He is not married and is all alone there in Cottonwood, Arizona. Lyle'