]From: "Judith Myers" Subject: Gudgel Roll Call Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:35:00 -0600 OK, everyone, I'm screwing up my courage and checking in! I'm such a = coward! But I just have to participate, because I read every one of = your e-mails, and if I don't respond to this call, I can't live with = myself! So here goes. I am Judith Harwood Myers. My line goes like this: My mother, Helen = Esther Teal; my grandfather Joseph M. Teal; my great-grandfather Henry = Martial Teal; my great-great grandfather William Teal; my = great-great-great grandfather Adam Teal who married Hannah Gudgel = Musick. =20 The thing is, I know so little about Adam Teal and Hannah Gudgel. I = mean, does anyone have an idea where they're interred? I do know that = William Teal rode horseback to central Illinois to join relatives and = that's how I came to still live in central Illinois. But I sure would = like to know more about Adam and Hannah. I would be thankful to anyone = who can add to the story. I truly appreciate having the resource of listening to all of you. = Thanks. Judith From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL ROLL CALL Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:09:04 -0500 Hi Folks- I wanted to say thank you to all who have answered our Roll Call. This has been a great way to sort out who is coming from which branch of this ever-growing family tree!!! I have printed out each and every response to file for reference at any given time. I am also amazed at the number of branches that are represented. So to everyone out there who hasn't responded--feel free at any time to just jump in and tell us who you are. We'd like to meet you. And if anyone knows of other cousins I hope you will tell them about us and encourage them to join us. Some day I hope we can plan a BIG family reunion somewhere!! Linda from rainy and cool Kentucky. Spring flowers are popping up all over. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Adam TEEL and Hannah GUDGEL Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:24:02 -0500 In answer to Judith Myers Roll Call questions..... First- Thanks for coming forward and sharing with us! Now, that wasn't so hard was it? . I probably haven' worked so hard on the TEEL/TEAL lines as I should have but will share some notes with you. You may already have this, but if not, maybe it will hwlp. And please share any information you have in addition to my notes or feel free to correct them: Adam TEEL/TEAL, was the son of Nicholas TEEL and ( ? ). Adam was born (when and where?), and died 1832. If I'm not mistaken, he and Hannah are buried in the GUDGEL Cemetery in Gibson Co., IN. I'll have to find my notes on this cemetery. Hannah was b. January 10, 1785 (probably in PA) and d. 1824 Gibson Co., IN. Possible children of this marriage were: William - b. 1818, Married Nancy Marvel Catherine- b. abt. 1820, marr. Clarence Massey Elizabeth (Betsy"- b. 1822, marr. Thomas Maddox Hester "Hetty" - b. abt. 1824, marr. James Spencer. William and Hetty went to Illinois. Not sure about the others. I had notes that Adam TEEL/TEAL was a farmer and blacksmith from Tennessee. He came to Indiana about 1806-1808. There are others on the list more knowledgeable about the TEEL/TEAL family than I am I believe Ron SHARP is from Hannah's line and Nancy TEEL MILLER as well. This is about all I have time to do right now so maybe this will get some discussion started on this particular line. Welcome aboard, Judith. We're glad you're here. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Teel/Teal/Teil Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:12:56 -0800 Hello, Judith Meyers This may be useful, and maybe not. In searching ships passenger lists a few days ago, I came across a Hans Jacob Teil , passenger on the ship "Thistle" arrived 29 Aug 1730 from Rotterdam. I jotted the name down, just in case someone was looking for it. Welcome to the group, Judith. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Nancy Miller" Subject: Re: Adam TEEL and Hannah GUDGEL Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:50:43 -0800 I'll see what I can add to Linda's information, I don't have much. Adam was born about 1785 in I believe, Virginia. I have never found any evidence of his being in Tennessee, though he may have been. He was in the 1810 census of Muhlenberg Co., KY. In that listing there is one male 16-26 (Adam) and one female 16-26(?). I don't know if he had a previous marriage, or if that could be his sister Mary Catherine. He was, I believe, in the war of 1812 from KY. He first showed up in Gibson Co., IN when he married Hannah GUDGEL MUSICK Sep 1817. He married Sarah DOWNEY 5 Sep 1832 in Gibson Co., and his will was filed in Gibson Co. 23 Sep 1834. I have found no record of his or Hannah's burial, though it is quite likely that they were buried in the GUDGEL cemetery and the stones were broken before anyone tried to keep a record there. >Adam TEEL/TEAL, was the son of Nicholas TEEL and ( ? ). Adam was born (when >and where?), and died 1832. If I'm not mistaken, he and Hannah are buried >in the GUDGEL Cemetery in Gibson Co., IN. I'll have to find my notes on >this cemetery. Hannah was b. >January 10, 1785 (probably in PA) and d. 1824 Gibson Co., IN. Possible >children of this marriage were: >William - b. 1818, Married Nancy Marvel >Catherine- b. abt. 1820, marr. Clarence Massey >Elizabeth (Betsy"- b. 1822, marr. Thomas Maddox >Hester "Hetty" - b. abt. 1824, marr. James Spencer. > >William and Hetty went to Illinois. Not sure about the others. I have the same four children with their marriages in Gibson Co. in 1844, 1838, 1842 and 1846. I did not have an exact date for Hannah's birth and wonder what Linda's source is for that? I have followed both William and Elizabeth to Illinois where they are both buried in Dewitt Co. I have found nothing about Catherine after her marriage. Hester and James William SPENCER are in Gibson Co. in the 1870 census, but I know nothing beyond that. Would be happy to get in touch with any descendants of any of these children. Nancy Teel Miller Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:45:25 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Old Newsletters on Bob's web page. I am Doyal Gudgel. Proud parent of K7IQ, who is Bob Gudgel the owner of the Gudgel list. Proud Grandparent of Katherine and David who are going to make me a great grandparent very soon. And proud parent or grandparent of all my other descendants. My dad was Marion Floyd Gudgel, son of Thomas Wiley Gudgel, son of Thomas Jefferson Gudgel, son of Henry T Gudgel son of William Gudgel son of the first Andrew Gudgel that we know about. I am in the process of sending the Newsletters (all that I can find ) I published to my son Bob so he can post them on the Gudgel webpage. I don't know how long it will be before he posts them for you to look at if you are so inclined. I have always been pleased as punch that Walter Harris of Athens Illinois sent me a picture of Lucy Thurman Gudgel. She was the wife of William Gudgel the last son of Andrew Gudgel. She is the earliest person we have a picture of that I know of in our family history. Until Bob posts the news letter you can see this one at http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/temp2.html/v2n1-.html This was an albumen print almost completely faded at the time he sent it to me. Now 30 years later, I think it is just brown blank piece of paper. He also sent me a picture that had Sarah Ann Johnson the wife of Henry T. Gudgel with her children in Illinois. I cant tell you how grateful I am to Walter Harris who sent me the picture. He also filled me in on what was going on around Springfield Ill. This picture of Lucy is of interest because it shows her sitting in frot of the original log cabin built by Andrew. Apparently William kept the farm after Andrew died and Lucy stayed on after William died. That this is the same farm can be recognized because the log cabin is identified from the cabin that remained on the farm after the a house was built near the old cabin. There is a picture of the cabin taken in the early 1950's before it was torn down to be rebuilt in Owensville as a historical monument. This never came about though. Anyone who looks at the her might feel a little sad. She bore 12 children and none seemed to feel responsible to fix up the decrepit house falling down around her. Lucy is the ancestor of literally hundreds of descendants. I think it is wonderful that we have a picture of someone who lived that far back. She died May 9 1887 Stay tuned for Bob to announce the posting of all the news letters I can find. Support Ed Gudgel Newsletter I encourage everyone to contact other Gudgel's not on the list and encourage them to sign up for the Newsletter now being put out by Ed Gudgel. Wegudgel@juno.com Have a nice day From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 07:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: newsletters and cabins and Lucinda Just FYI, one of the old Gudgel newsletters are already on the Gudgel web page near the top. Walter Harris' picture of Lucinda in front of the cabin has been on the Gudgel page for quite a while now and can be found on the "cabin" page. Yes, it will be nice to have the old Gudgel newsletters on site as well. I'll get them up as soon as I can. Probably one at a time. thanks! Bob From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Wm. E Gudgel" Subject: Gudgel Family connections Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:57:55 -0700 Fine job, Bill. I just wanted to express my appreciation for the news letter this quarter. It is excellent. Thanks to Linda, Juanita and Ron for their stories and all the pictures. Great job!! Thanks, bob, for posting the OLD news letters that Doyal edited. They are as good as NEW to us newcomers to the list. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:54:08 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Faith Lynn Gudgel Meet Faith Lynn Gudgel new daughter of Katherine and David Gudgel Son of Tom and Peggy Gudgel. 8 pounds 6 oz. Born about 4 pm today in Swedish Hospital Seattle WA. Doyal G To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:46:14 -0700 Subject: 1981 Class Reunion From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hello Cousins, I have recently received a class reunion notice for a William Gudgel (another William Gudgel). It is from an organization named Taylor Reunion Services out of Dallas TX. The class reunion is for: School: North Central High School Class of 1981 Reunion Date: August 11, 201 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Reunion Committee: Catherine Borkowski If anyone know this William Gudgel, have him contact me and I will forward the information to him. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel in Evansville, IN From: Bob Gudgel Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re. Faith Lynn Gudgel Yes, but what my dad didn't tell you is that he is now a GREAT GRANDFATHER! And I, a Great Uncle! Yeah! I didn't even know I was "good"! boB From chuckgross@mindspring.com Thu Apr 12 23:38:05 2001 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:43:52 -0500 From: chuckgross@mindspring.com Subject: Gudgel Roll Call Hi, It's time for me to put in my 2 cents worth. I married into the Bath County, KY Gudgell line back in 1959. I was stationed at the Owingsville Air Force Station. That is the reason I met and married Linda Lee Craycraft. The line goes: Linda Lee Craycraft who married Charles Walker Gross (me) Naoma Farris Garner who married Thomas Edward Craycraft Ruth Cleveland Gudgell who married Obert Anderson Garner Woodson Bryant Gudgell and his second wife Serepta Frances Lynam Thomas Fletcher Gudgell who married Mary Magdalena Power Allen Gudgell who married Rebecca Reed Andrew Gudgel and Barbary Hoch/Houch It is interesting to note that Mary Magdalena Power was related to Daniel Boone. Daniel Boone was Mary's great-granduncle. I live in Marietta, GA, but return to Owingsville about every 6 weeks. I have most of the Bath County Gudgell information. The major item I would like to know more about Allen and who his parents were. It has been interesting to learn how many Gudgel(l) are out there, if we can just find them. Of course the number is growing and I am afraid we are not keeping up. Have a nice day. Chuck Gross Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. Faith Lynn Gudgel Ooops! I better explain my last email to the list regarding my new grand-neice. I thought my dad's message went to the gudgel list, when it somehow went to the archive only. boB The original: >From ralphj@eskimo.com Thu Apr 12 23:40:51 2001 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:54:08 -0700 Subject: Faith Lynn Gudgel Meet Faith Lynn Gudgel new daughter of Katherine and David Gudgel Son of Tom and Peggy Gudgel. 8 pounds 6 oz. Born about 4 pm today in Swedish Hospital Seattle WA. Doyal G >>Subject: Re. Faith Lynn Gudgel >>Yes, but what my dad didn't tell you is that he is now a GREAT >>GRANDFATHER! >>And I, a Great Uncle! Yeah! I didn't even know I was "good"! From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:36:35 EDT Subject: Alderfer Book Hi all, I have received the book I requested through ILL. It has some info but nothing really earthshattering on our mysteries as the Gottshalks mentioned are not far enough back. Here is what it has: The Alderfers of America History and Genealogy by Helen Alderfer Stanley Printed for the Alderfer Family by Schlechters, Allentown, Pa. Copyright 1972 This book is the history and genealogy of Frederick and Anna Alderfer of Lower Salford Township in Montgomery Co. (then Philadelphia Co.), PA. Frederick was born in Steinsfurt, Germany in 1715 and immigrated to America in 1733 and naturalized in Philadelphia in 1743. There are about 45 Godshalk/Godshalls in the index but most are in the 1800s at a much later period than we are interested in. The EARLIEST Godshalk entry is this one: page 108 “Sarah (Sallie) H. Alderfer was born July 27, 1815 d. September 8, 1846, aged 31-1-12 and is bur. Salford Mennonite Cemetery. She was the d. of Frederick K. (the saddler) and wife Elizabeth H. (Hagey) of Lower Salford. She m. Henry C. Godshalk, b. Nov. 13, 1803, d. December 25, 1885. He was the son of Godshalk Godshalk (the miller) and wife Mollie (Cassel) of Towamencin. Henry was mentioned in the settlement of his father’s estate, April 4, 1836 and evidently married Sarah shortly thereafter. Two children: (Note they spelled the name Godshall). Frederick A. Godshall, m. Barbara Ziegler John A. Godshall.., m. Nancy Benner Henry C. Godshall (Godshalk) purchased his farm composed of 60 acres and 28 perches from the estate of Benjamin V. Alderfer, on April 2, 1839. ..Henry and Sarah Godshalk lived there eight years…After the death of Sarah the farm was sold to her brother, Jacob H. Alderfer. The 1850 Census lists Henry “Godshall,” age 45, and (son) John “Gotshall,” age 8, as living in the household of Leonard Felty, age 37, and wife Margaret, age 35, and their children. The other son Frederick Godsahll, age 10, was living in the home of is maternal grandparents Frederick and Elizabeth Alderfer. Ref.: …Cassel Fam. Gen. (Genealogical History of the Cassel Family in America. Being the Descendants of Julius Kassel or Yelles Cassel of Kriesheim, Germany. (Pub. 1896, Morgan R. Wills, Norristown, PA), p.263, 272. There are 18 Allebachs and most are far too late for us. The EARLIEST is this one: “Elizabeth Z. Alderfer b. February 23, 1826, Lower Salford, d. October 12, 1880, the d of Michael S. Alderfer and Catharine K. (Ziegler.) She was m. by Rev. George Wack, Paster of Wentz’s Reformed Congregation (and other churches in the area) on April 30, 1850, to Christian M. Allebach, b. February 5, 1827, d. July 20, 1919, listed in the 1850 Census, Towamencin Township. Both are bur. Salford Mennonite Cemetery. He was the s. of Jacob G. Allebach and his wife Susanna (Moyer) and the grandson of deacon David Allebach and Helena (Godshalk) of Towamencin. Members, Trinity Christian Church, Collegeville, Pa. Res. Schwenksville, Pa. Children: Michael A. Allebach, m. Lydia Ann Markley Elizabeth A. Allebach, m. Issac K. Freed Lots of Meyers/Myers and NO Pancakes (various spellings) The book is due on April 23rd. If you want me to look up anything else let me know by then. Thanks, Mia Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:44:39 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Alderfer Book Sounds like this does not apply to us Mia, right? The dates are too late to apply to us in most cases I think. While the date for Frederick immigrating in 1733 seems to fit, I wonder if his naturalization in 1743 means that he is related to our Old Andrew? Does anyone have Frederick's original naturalization document in 1743 to see what it contains? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Fredrich gotshalk Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:35:07 -0700 Hi Cousins, Has anyone checked out the children of the brothers of Rev. Jacob Gotshalk? His brothers are named Theunis Hendricks Gotshalk and Hendrick Hendricks Gotshalk. Rev. Jacob Gotshalk had three half-brothers named Garrett, Jan, and Lintjie. The children of these brothers would be the same generation as our Frederick. I have the feeling that these two families are related some way. Remember William Nash, who witnessed Frederick's will was married to Rev. Jacob's daughter. Have a nice Easter! Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: Jckwll@cs.com Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:27:30 EDT Subject: I need your help again. Hello everyone: Bill's sister went to the Princeton, IN courthouse to look up records on Malissa Anna Gudgel Wallis. This is what she learned: This was Andrew Wallis' second marriage. They were married in Owensville, IN by William Murry on 3-17-1892. Her father is listed as John Gudgel, but her mother is not listed. They told her that prior to 1882, they did not record births and deaths in Gibson County. There is no census there for 1890. My problem is: How do I determine which John Gudgel this is?? There are several of them listed in the Indiana Census from 1790-1890. Malissa died in Gibson County, March 18, 1902. She was listed as being 29 years old. The John Gudgel that was married to Margaret Gillis and had a child named Melissa Gudgel -- who was listed as being born in 1859. According to the calculations from the date of death and the age she was when she died - it would have made her birth date abt. 1873--not 1859. Can anyone help me with these calculations or shed any new light on this new information find. They did not have the death certificate there - even though I told his sister that it was listed under Malissa Gudgel Wallace (not Wallis). Can I write somewhere else to find this death certificate? Thanks for all your help so far - you have steered me to all the right places. Hope all of you are having a nice Easter Holiday. Our weather is simply beautiful for it, hope yours is also. Fondly, Joan Cook Wallis Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:56:14 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: http://www.nationaltrust.org/main/ddd/doylestown.htm Dear cousins, Happy Easter. While listening to my usual public radio Sunday Edition news this morning, I heard a piece about historic AND scenic destination sites. I clicked on it-being that I was at the computer anyway (gee, how odd), and found that one site listed was Doylestown, PA. When I looked at the info they had listed for Doylestown I see that it wasn't developed before 1724. I have pasted some of the website page below. At the end of the page are links elsewhere (which I will paste here also). I know that Doylestown is one of THE main places we need to be concentrating on, so if anyone near there is going on a trip in the near future, I would suggest spending a few days at the libraries in Doylestown or nearby. Maybe some of you have already done so. If you have, how about a recap of what you saw and researched. I find it interesting that Doylestown as such didn't exist before 1724. Keep in mind that our Old Andrew was born about 1727 and may not have come to PA until the early 1730s. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage (30 degrees F, bright sun and 1" of fresh snow) Here is what the web site says: Born of a grant purchased from the Free Society of Traders in 1724, Doylestown was a country hamlet whose growth paralleled that of the land destined to become the United States. Because of its location, the town played a key role in both the American Revolution and the Civil War, and in the early 1900s, became the seat of the Bucks County government. Learn more about Doylestown from the Borough of Doylestown, www.doylestownborough.net or Doylestown Township, www.doylestownpa.org. From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , Subject: Re: I need your help again. Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:57:27 -0700 Joan, I have 20 John Gudgel(l)s in my database. I went through them and = looked at the ones who were born between 1830 and 1850 who could be = Malissa's father. Seven of them qualified, but 5 of them had from six to = nine KNOWN kids, so I eliminated those. That left a JOHN R. = (1856-1935,) son of Harvey, son of John, son of Andrew Sr.=20 and a JOHN M. born abt 1840, son of William, son of Andrew Sr. This = JOHN M. was married to NANCY WITHERSPOON, daughter of Lemuel and Violet = (Wallace) Witherspoon. This family had lots of connections to the = Wallace family. Violet's sister, Elvira Wallace, married Andrew, another = son of William. If you will access the Gudgell Archives for the date of = Jan. 22, 1999, you will find a generation lineage posted by Karin = McArdle. I don't know if John and Nancy had children or if they had a Malissa. = Maybe some other Gudgel cousin can supply the names of the children. Happy Easter! Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John GUDGEL, father of Malissa Anna GUDGEL WALLIS Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:16:59 -0400 In answer to Joan's question about which John GUDGEL is the father of Malissa Anna GUDGEL WALLIS: I'm afraid I can't be any more helpful than Vivian. I have about 25 John GUDGEL's as well. Sorry I can't halp at this point but maybe in time we can piece it together. Things have really been hectic here, but we're moving right along with the wedding plans, showers, etc. Graduation is also about 3 weeks away. Besides all of this, we are dealing with the beginning stages of dementia with my mother-in-law. It really began about 2 months ago and is progressing very fast. Very frustrating for her as well as the family. Have a question-- Have any of you ever sent for an SS-5 Form from the Social Security Administration for someone's record of application? How long does it usually take to receive this information? I sent tonight for the record of my maternal grandmother's application in hopes it would give me more information about my great-grandfather (of which I know nothing other than his name). Hope it will open some doors for me. Hope all of you had an enjoyable Easter! Linda From: "Nancy Miller" To: , Subject: Re: I need your help again. Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:59:44 -0700 Joan, I've been thinking and studying your problem, and I think that Vivian is = on the right track. I have 4 children for John (believe his middle name = is Franklin) Gudgel and Nancy Witherspoon in the 1870 census in Gibson = Co. You need to check the soundex for the 1880 and see if John Gudgel = is there with a 7 year old daughter Melissa. When I was looking at my = records of the family, I found that this couple had a daughter, Harriet, = born about 1866 and she married a William Martin. I found this John = Gudgel in the 1910 census living with his daughter Hattie Martin, who is = head of household and has 5 children. This would make it look like your = Andrew married Melissa's sister, the widow Hattie Gudgel Martin. And = while the Wallis boys are not in her household in 1910, she might have = helped raise them as her sister's children, even before she married = Andrew and became their step-mother. Your local Family history library should be able to get you the soundex = index for 1880 which is what you need to confirm that Melissa is in the = right household. Nancy From: "Nancy Miller" Subject: SS5 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:21:01 -0700 Linda, I've done it several times and it has taken as much as 3 months and I think as little as one month. Probably just depends on how busy they are. Nancy Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:31:10 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re:SS & Soundex vs census schedules Linda, I sent for a social security form from a deceased relative a year or so ago. I got the correct information from the one of the SS web sites and mailed the form in with either $7 or $15 I can't quite recall. It probably took a month to come back. I wanted to comment on the recent activity regarding Soundex (index of sorts to the federal census schedules). I have found the Soundexes very helpful in pinpointing counties that Gudgels might be in but then when I searched the REAL census schedules I found some folks who were not listed in the Soundex. So the Soundexes are a good guide, but the actual census schedules give far more information. I am assuming all of you know the difference. If some of you have been using the Soundexes only, be sure to follow up with the actual schedules. The numbers you will need for cross referencing from the Soundex to the census schedule are to be found in the corner of each Soundex card (page). Dianne G-H From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:38:10 EDT Subject: Alderfer Book Hi All, Here are a few more tidbits gleened from the Alderfer Book... Page 23 It is a matter of record that Henry Ruth (Rutt) of New Britain Township, Bucks County, in the year 1728, purchased two hundred acres of land in Salford (Lower Salford Township was not erected until 1741)….ten years later, on the 4 and 5 of October, 1738,…Henry Ruth and his wife “Modelena”, of Salford, executed a bargain and sale for ten acres of land, forty perches square…to four men, to be held in trust for the Salford congregation. Apparently these were, or became the first officials of the church. They were Henry Ffunk, bishop; Dielman Kob, minister, Christian Myre, June.; and Abraham Reiff, deacons (versteher.)…. Page 24 The following January 25, 1738, meaning 1738/39, the four trustees executed a document called a “deed of trust” to the seventeen members of the congreagion, represented by the folliwng:…Christian Allebaugh, Frederick Aldorffer, Christian Myre, Senr…”All of the Said County, ie Philadelphia County, Yeoman.” (Meaning men who were property owners of good repute living and working on their own land). The deed stated that certain “messuage tenement” ie a building of some sort, was already on the land. It is suggested that this may have been a log structure which was put to immediate use until the meetinghouse could be built. The deed further states “the land is to be used for the erection of a house…as a place of religious meetins…for the Mennonites…and as a school…the land to be kept for a burgin place…and to be used for no other purpose whatsoever.: And so it has been preserved for more than two hundred years. Page 39 Frederick Alderfer…witnessed the conveyance for a tract of 59 acres which Hans Reiff sold to Christian Allebach, on September 14, 1737. Page 40 The law of the Province of Pennsylvania , enacted in 1740, decreed that all foreign born inhavitants had to be naturalized in order to devise their lands to their descendants. I think I well return the book tomorrow, Tuesday so let me know if you need anymore lookups. Thanks, Mia Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:05:47 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Alderfer Book Thanks Mia for abstracting more of the Alderfer book. I think it is worth following up on the "Myre" and "Allebaugh" names as possible brothers-in-law of the Andrew listed as son of Frederick. Can you tell us more about who the author of the Alderfer book was and where he/she got much of the information that went into the book? I'd appreciate knowing as that helps with additional research. Also, where were you able to ILL the book from? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage PS. I may not be answering mail for a few weeks as I am going "outside" (meaning leaving the state) for a trip. Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:06:59 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Alderfer Book PPS Has anyone looked into trying to find the church records that may exist for the church that was erected on the land spoken of below? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:13:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Nancy Miller cc: Jckwll@cs.com, Gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I need your help again. Hi Joan, I don't have any original research on this family but I did run across this web site last August: Descendants of Arthur Wallace http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/a/k/DEBORAH-L-LAKE/ODT6-0027.html August 4, 2000 dtlake@mill.tds.net Page 27 of 34 4 Wallace, Violet Ann b: October 05, 1820 in Gibson Co IN d: December 22, 1861 in Gibson Co IN +Witherspoon, Lemuel b: December 24, 1819 in Ohio Co , Kentucky m: April 20, 1840 in Gibson Co IN .......... 5 Witherspoon, Nancy Ann b: Abt. 1852 in Ohio Co , Kentucky d: 1902 ............. 6 Gudgel, Elvira ............. 6 Gudgel, Lucy ............. 6 Gudgel, Elizabeth ............. 6 Gudgel, Harriett ............. 6 Gudgel, Milissa Ann d: March 18, 1902 ............. 6 Gudgel, William ............. 6 Gudgel, Ed ............. 6 Gudgel, Ella ............. 6 Gudgel, Nancy E. ............. 6 Gudgel, Dora ............. 6 Gudgel, Charles ............. 6 Gudgel, Ethel ............. 6 Gudgel, Fred It might be worth it to contact this Witherspoon researcher to see where they got the information. Mia *********************************************** Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:23:04 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: Fairbault, MN? OK, I give up. Which of you lives at the above location? Dianne G-H Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:29:58 -0700 To: dianeh@corecom.net, Linda Gudgel Finnell From: Daniela Moneta Subject: Re:SS & Soundex vs census schedules Hi, Regarding the Soundex. The 1880 Soundex includes heads of families with children age ten and younger, which somewhat limits its usefulness. Daniela At 09:31 PM 4/15/01 -0800, Dianne Holmes wrote: >Linda, > I sent for a social security form from a deceased relative a year or > so ago. >I got the correct information from the one of the SS web sites and mailed the >form in with either $7 or $15 I can't quite recall. It probably took a >month to >come back. > > I wanted to comment on the recent activity regarding Soundex (index > of sorts >to the federal census schedules). I have found the Soundexes very helpful in >pinpointing counties that Gudgels might be in but then when I searched >the REAL >census schedules I found some folks who were not listed in the Soundex. So the >Soundexes are a good guide, but the actual census schedules give far more >information. I am assuming all of you know the difference. If some of you have >been using the Soundexes only, be sure to follow up with the actual schedules. >The numbers you will need for cross referencing from the Soundex to the census >schedule are to be found in the corner of each Soundex card (page). > >Dianne G-H > >Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > > In answer to Joan's question about which John GUDGEL is the father of > > Malissa Anna GUDGEL WALLIS: > > > > I'm afraid I can't be any more helpful than Vivian. I have about 25 John > > GUDGEL's as well. > > Sorry I can't halp at this point but maybe in time we can piece it > together. > > > > Things have really been hectic here, but we're moving right along with the > > wedding plans, > > showers, etc. Graduation is also about 3 weeks away. Besides all of this, > > we are dealing with the beginning stages of dementia with my mother-in-law. > > It really began about 2 months ago and is progressing very fast. Very > > frustrating for her as well as the family. > > > > Have a question-- > > Have any of you ever sent for an SS-5 Form from the Social Security > > Administration for someone's record of application? How long does it > > usually take to receive this information? > > I sent tonight for the record of my maternal grandmother's application in > > hopes it would give me more information about my great-grandfather (of > > which I know nothing other than his name). Hope it will open some > doors for > > me. > > > > Hope all of you had an enjoyable Easter! > > Linda From: "Nancy Miller" To: , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , "Daniela Moneta" Subject: Re: Re:SS & Soundex vs census schedules Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:10:51 -0700 I agree that the 1880 soudex is not always that useful. I did recommend it in this case since Joan was looking for a Malissa Gudgel that was born approximately in 1873. Therefor, I thought it would be the fastest way to find out which John Gudgel had a 7 year old daughter of that name at that time. If found in the soundex, she could then order and look at the entire census page. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Daniela Moneta To: dianeh@corecom.net ; Linda Gudgel Finnell Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re:SS & Soundex vs census schedules >Hi, >Regarding the Soundex. The 1880 Soundex includes heads of families with >children age ten and younger, which somewhat limits its usefulness. >Daniela > >At 09:31 PM 4/15/01 -0800, Dianne Holmes wrote: >>Linda, >> I sent for a social security form from a deceased relative a year or >> so ago. >>I got the correct information from the one of the SS web sites and mailed the >>form in with either $7 or $15 I can't quite recall. It probably took a >>month to >>come back. >> >> I wanted to comment on the recent activity regarding Soundex (index >> of sorts >>to the federal census schedules). I have found the Soundexes very helpful in >>pinpointing counties that Gudgels might be in but then when I searched >>the REAL >>census schedules I found some folks who were not listed in the Soundex. So the >>Soundexes are a good guide, but the actual census schedules give far more >>information. I am assuming all of you know the difference. If some of you have >>been using the Soundexes only, be sure to follow up with the actual schedules. >>The numbers you will need for cross referencing from the Soundex to the census >>schedule are to be found in the corner of each Soundex card (page). >> >>Dianne G-H >> >>Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: >> >> > In answer to Joan's question about which John GUDGEL is the father of >> > Malissa Anna GUDGEL WALLIS: >> > >> > I'm afraid I can't be any more helpful than Vivian. I have about 25 John >> > GUDGEL's as well. >> > Sorry I can't halp at this point but maybe in time we can piece it >> together. >> > >> > Things have really been hectic here, but we're moving right along with the >> > wedding plans, >> > showers, etc. Graduation is also about 3 weeks away. Besides all of this, >> > we are dealing with the beginning stages of dementia with my mother-in-law. >> > It really began about 2 months ago and is progressing very fast. Very >> > frustrating for her as well as the family. >> > >> > Have a question-- >> > Have any of you ever sent for an SS-5 Form from the Social Security >> > Administration for someone's record of application? How long does it >> > usually take to receive this information? >> > I sent tonight for the record of my maternal grandmother's application in >> > hopes it would give me more information about my great-grandfather (of >> > which I know nothing other than his name). Hope it will open some >> doors for >> > me. >> > >> > Hope all of you had an enjoyable Easter! >> > Linda > > From: Jckwll@cs.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:06:33 EDT Subject: Fwd: Can you help me? I received this from the researcher that Mia suggested and this is one of the messages that I received from her. I will send the other one as soon as I send this one. Thanks Mia for your suggestion. Regards, Joan Cook Wallis From: "Deby Lake" To: Subject: Re: Can you help me? Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:41:30 -0700 hi, I am sending you what info I have. In my files, I do not have a husband for=20= Nancy Witherspoon, so I tried to look on the pages you mentioned on FTM. The= y were working on them so I could not log on. I will ck latter. Anyway, I am= sending you what I have in my file. Let me know if anything is wrong or you= can add anything. Deby Lake Descendants of Andrew Gudgel Generation No. 1 1. Andrew1 Gudgel was born February 19, 1825, and died July 23, 1910. He mar= ried Elvira Wallace August 29, 1846 in Gibson Co IN, daughter of John Wallac= e and Frances Taylor. She was born September 13, 1826 in Ohio Co KY, and die= d April 20, 1898 in Gibson Co IN. Notes for Andrew Gudgel: Married by Rev. John Kirkpatrick. Marriage record 2013 Gibson Co., IN. See Tartt p. 211. TARTT - History of Gibson Co., IN, lived in Oakland City. Civil War veteran - Co. A, 58th Regiment Indiana Volunteers, wounded severel= y in battle of Stone River [wallacefamily.FTW] There is a huge marker in Forsythe Cem, Indiana that list all of their child= ren. Notes for Elvira Wallace: buried: Oakland City, Gibson, IN, Forsythe Children of Andrew Gudgel and Elvira Wallace are: i. ORA2 GUDGEL. 2. ii. WILLIAM HENRY GUDGEL, b. 1847; d. December 10, 1905. 3. iii. JOHN FRANKLIN GUDGEL, b. January 29, 1849; d. October 05, 1901, Haze= lton IN. 4. iv. LEVIN WILSON GUDGEL, b. June 25, 1850. v. LUCY FRANCES GUDGEL, b. June 26, 1850; d. May 18, 1851. Notes for LUCY FRANCES GUDGEL: Twin to Levin W. Gudgel vi. MARTHA JANE GUDGEL, b. July 11, 1852; d. July 11, 1852. vii. GEORGE MARION GUDGEL, b. August 08, 1856; d. February 23, 1868. 5. viii. JAMES EDWARD GUDGEL, b. March 10, 1858; d. February 23, 1938, Cynth= ana, IN. ix. ELNORA GUDGET, b. May 10, 1860; d. November 03, 1934, Indiana; m. (1) AN= DREW NIXON HULL, April 04, 1888; b. Abt. 1860; d. July 19, 1900, Blythe Cem,= IN; m. (2) JESSE MAUCK, October 12, 1903. Generation No. 2 2. William Henry2 Gudgel (Andrew1) was born 1847, and died December 10, 1905= . He married Lucy Potts.=20 Notes for William Henry Gudgel: He was an attorney in Evansville, IN. William Henry was a lawyer in Evansville, IN. Children of William Gudgel and Lucy Potts are: i. GILBERT3 GUDGEL. ii. WILLIAM GUDGEL. iii. ESSIE GUDGEL. iv. DAN GUDGEL. 6. v. EVELYN GUDGEL. 3. John Franklin2 Gudgel (Andrew1) was born January 29, 1849, and died Octob= er 05, 1901 in Hazelton IN. He married Cynthia Anna Baldwin April 11, 1875.=20= She was born 1855, and died October 04, 1901 in Carlisle, IN. Notes for John Franklin Gudgel: He was a doctor in Hazelton, IN. Tartt p. 211 shows his middle initial as T. He was a medical doctor in Hazelton, IN. Notes for Cynthia Anna Baldwin: [wallacefamily.FTW] She and her hesband died in auto accident. She is the grandaughter of Adam Brown Harper. ( This information is provided by Karin. M. Mcardle email address mcardkm@hqda.army.mil or jmcardle@erols.com (home). ) Children of John Gudgel and Cynthia Baldwin are: i. HARRY B.3 GUDGEL, b. October 07, 1877; m. EMMA HORRALL, October 04, 1906,= Gibson Co IN (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St. apt 228, Princ= eton, IN 47670); b. Abt. 1879 (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St= . apt 228, Princeton, IN 47670). ii. JESSE B. GUDGEL, b. 1879. iii. MILLARA GUDGEL, b. 1881. iv. EVERETT D GUDGEL, b. 1883. v. RUTH E. GUDGEL, b. 1885; m. CLIFFORD H. ALEXANDER, June 02, 1906, Vincenn= es, IN (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St. apt 228, Princeton, I= N 47670); b. (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St. apt 228, Prince= ton, IN 47670). 4. Levin Wilson2 Gudgel (Andrew1) was born June 25, 1850. He married (1) Jos= ephine VanNada December 20, 1882. He married (2) Eliza Jane Kirk Farmer Octo= ber 25, 1917.=20 Notes for Levin Wilson Gudgel: He was a lawyer in Princeton, IN and later became Mayor. He is the twin of Lucy F. Gudgel. Levin was an attorney in Princeton, IN Notes for Eliza Jane Kirk Farmer: [wallacefamily.FTW] She was the widow of Embree C. Farmer and mother of Oma Lou Farmer, wife of Hiram Wallace Harper. Children of Levin Gudgel and Josephine VanNada are: 7. i. DOYLE3 GUDGEL. ii. GUY GUDGEL, b. 1883; d. 1902, Maple Hill Cem. , Princeton, IN. 5. James Edward2 Gudgel (Andrew1) was born March 10, 1858, and died February= 23, 1938 in Cynthana, IN. He married (1) Mabel Stinnett. He married (2) Eli= zabeth T. Smith September 03, 1886. She died April 18, 1919. Notes for James Edward Gudgel: He was a medical doctor at Cynthana, IN. Children of James Gudgel and Elizabeth Smith are: i. MAJORIE3 GUDGEL, d. died infancy (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Mon= roe St. apt 228, Princeton, IN 47670). ii. EVA GUDGEL, b. 1886; d. 1890 (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe= St. apt 228, Princeton, IN 47670). iii. HOWARD OWEN GUDGEL, b. 1887; d. 1947 (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701= E Monroe St. apt 228, Princeton, IN 47670). iv. HELEN GUDGEL, b. December 28, 1897; m. LON CULLEY; b. (Source: Sue Walla= ce Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St. apt 228, Princeton, IN 47670). Generation No. 3 6. Evelyn3 Gudgel (William Henry2, Andrew1) She married Unknown Davis. was b= orn (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St. apt 228, Princeton, IN 4= 7670). Children of Evelyn Gudgel and Unknown Davis are: i. HAROLD4 DAVIS (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St. apt 228, Pr= inceton, IN 47670). ii. WAYNE DAVIS (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St. apt 228, Pri= nceton, IN 47670). iii. EVELYN ANN DAVIS (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St. apt 22= 8, Princeton, IN 47670). 7. Doyle3 Gudgel (Levin Wilson2, Andrew1) Notes for Doyle Gudgel: Child of Doyle Gudgel is: i. DORTHY4 GUDGEL (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701 E Monroe St. apt 228, P= rinceton, IN 47670), m. UNKNOWN CRUMBAKER; b. (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart,= 701 E Monroe St. apt 228, Princeton, IN 47670). ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jckwll@cs.com=20 To: dtlake@mill.tds.net=20 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Can you help me? Hello:=20 I am doing research on my husband's grandmother, Malissa Anna Gudgel Walli= s.=20 (she was married to Andrew Wallis on in Owensville, IN, 3-17-1892 .) =20 According to your page 27 of 34-Descendants of Arthur Wallace-you have her= =20 listed as one of the 13 children born to Nancy Witherspoon and John Gudgel= .=20 Where did you find this information? I have tried to trace Malissa's=20 parents, knowing only that her father's name was John Gudgel with no name=20 listed for her mother, and no record of the names of her other siblings. =20= =20 There are so many John Gudgels listed in Gibson County, Indiana, until I a= m=20 not at all sure which one is the right John. You have Malissa Anna listed=20= as=20 Milissa Ann Gudgel and though the spelling of her name is quite different=20 from my information, the birth date of March 28, 1902 is her correct birth= day=20 according to Gibson County Records.=20 I would appreciate any help that you can give me. I am at a dead-end tryin= g=20 to find the right John Gudgel so I can go further with this part of my=20 husband's family tree.=20 Thanks,=20 A fellow researcher,=20 Joan Cook Wallis=20 From: Jckwll@cs.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:10:03 EDT Subject: Fwd: Can you help me? Hello to all: This is is second message from the researcher that I contacted by email. Thanks for all your help in assisting me to untangle this mystery of which John Gudgel was Malissa's father. I also found it interesting that we have another spelling for Malissa (Melissa) Milissa. The date of her birth is correct according to my information that Genevieve picked up at the Princeton Court House. Hope to hear from you about this information. Regards, Joan Cook Wallis here is some more info. Descendants of Lemuel Witherspoon Generation No. 1 1. Lemuel1 Witherspoon was born December 24, 1819 in Ohio Co , Kentucky. He=20= married Violet Ann Wallace April 20, 1840 in Gibson Co IN, daughter of John=20= Wallace and Frances Taylor. She was born October 05, 1820 in Gibson Co IN, a= nd died December 22, 1861 in Gibson Co IN. Notes for Violet Ann Wallace: Buried in Forsythe Cem, row 6 plot #14 Daughter , Henriette W. plot #12 Son , John D. plot 11 Lemuel , plot 12 Children of Lemuel Witherspoon and Violet Wallace are: i. ELIZABETH ANN2 WITHERSPOON, b. Abt. 1842, Ohio Co , Kentucky; m. JAMES F.= HARPER; b. 1838. Notes for JAMES F. HARPER: [wallacefamily.FTW] The three middle names was provided by Karin Mcardle, email mcardkm@hqda.army.mil or jmcardle@erols.com 2. ii. NANCY ANN WITHERSPOON, b. Abt. 1852, Ohio Co , Kentucky; d. 1902. iii. JOHN P WITHERSPOON, b. Abt. 1846, Ohio Co , Kentucky; d. Abt. 1846, die= d at 7mos, 21 days.. iv. MOSES C. WITHERSPOON, b. May 13, 1846, Ohio Co , Kentucky; d. January 10= , 1869. Notes for MOSES C. WITHERSPOON: Civil War veteran Goverment marker on tombstone shows he served in Co. A IND Inf. v. MARTHA WITHERSPOON, b. Abt. 1849, Ohio Co , Kentucky; m. LANCE. vi. MARGARET WITHERSPOON, b. September 22, 1851, Ohio Co , Kentucky; d. Marc= h 09, 1888; m. (1) JAMES DOUGLAS; m. (2) JOSEPH DOUGLAS; m. (3) GREEN. vii. HENRIETTE W. WITHERSPOON, b. September 13, 1855; d. April 19, 1864, Bur= ie Forsythe Cem, 8 Yrs 7mos 6 days. viii. JULIA M. WITHERSPOON, b. June 19, 1858, Ohio Co , Kentucky; d. October= 02, 1901; m. HOUCHINS. Notes for JULIA M. WITHERSPOON: The last child born to Julia is named Hazel Jones in the Wallace outline. Unsure whether Julia married a Jones or if Hazel married a Jones. Generation No. 2 2. Nancy Ann2 Witherspoon (Lemuel1) was born Abt. 1852 in Ohio Co , Kentucky= , and died 1902. Notes for Nancy Ann Witherspoon: Children of Nancy Ann Witherspoon are: i. ELVIRA3 GUDGEL. ii. LUCY GUDGEL. iii. ELIZABETH GUDGEL. iv. HARRIETT GUDGEL. v. MILISSA ANN GUDGEL, d. March 18, 1902 (Source: Sue Wallace Burkhart, 701=20= E Monroe St. apt 228, Princeton, IN 47670). vi. WILLIAM GUDGEL. vii. ED GUDGEL. viii. ELLA GUDGEL. ix. NANCY E. GUDGEL. x. DORA GUDGEL. xi. CHARLES GUDGEL. xii. ETHEL GUDGEL. xiii. FRED GUDGEL. Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 05:30:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Finnell, Linda" Hi Folks- Don't know how many (if any) are avid fans of the Survivor 2 series but I have been a true follower of the series since the beginning of the original Survivor show. For those who are familiar with the character, Roger Bingham, affectionalety known as "Kentucky Joe", I just wanted to say he is a true Kentuckian. How can you not love this guy? He's from Crittenden, Grant Co., KY and has become a real hero. So for those who have never been to Kentucky....Roger is a true Kentuckian. This is what we know as a true Southern gentleman. He could be a typical next door neighbors here. Just wanted to share this. Not genealogy, but certainly a good sample of showing what kind of people we are here and maybe even a glimpse of what our ancestors were like. >From Kentucky Linda From: "Mia K. Fleegel" Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:00:39 EDT Subject: Alderfer Book Biliography Hi all, I have returned the Alderfer's of American but thought I would let you know where the information came from in the book. It has an extensive bibliography including county Court records and County histories. The author also mentions the Eastern Pennsylvania Mennonite Historical Library at Christopher Dock High School in Lansdale, PA History of the Mennonites by Daniel K. Cassell (Globe Printing House, Phila, 1888) German Immigration into Penna. Records of the Penna. German Society at the Germantown Historical Society in Germantown, PA, Perkiomen Region, Past and Present, Henry S. Dotterer, ed (Phila, 1895-1901, 3 vol. Swiss and German Settlers of Penna., by Frank H. Eshelman (Lancaster Pa, 1917) Genalogical History of the Gottshall Family, Descendants of Rev. Jacob Gottshall, by Godshall Family Association, 1926. The Pennsylvania Archives (I have a copy of this here at SU on the floor I work on) History of the mennonites of the Franconia Conference by John C. Wenger (Pub by the Franconia Mennonite Historical Society, Telford, PA 1937) Has anyone seen any of these? Mia From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Alderfer Book Biliography Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:45:03 -0400 Mia- Thanks for this interesting list of resources from the Alderfer Book. I haven't actually seen the Genalogical History of the Gottshall Family, Descendants of Rev. Jacob Gottshall, by Godshall Family Association, 1926 but I believe most of it is on a website on the internet hosted by Michael GOTTSCHALK. I do have two other sources I probably haven't mentioned before and they are: 1. GOTTSCHALK'S, edited by Father Timothy GOTTSCHALK, Capuchin Thomas More Prep Hays, Kansas (About 80 pages of German research on the GOTTSCHALK family beginning at their ancestral home in aus Remsede, Germany. A lady sent me the original years ago so that I could copy it, which I did.). 2. An in-depth genealogy of the family of Nicholas GOTSCHALL of Harrison Co., OH. This came from a gentleman I met at the Keeneland Horse Sales by the name of Richard GOTSCHALL of Glenwood, Iowa. I have tried and tried to make a connection with this family but never found a common link. It is a wonderful compilation of research that he was kind enough to copy and mail to me. For the record I will submit something from Richard GOTSCHALL of interest about all the spellings of this name: (And he pronounced it like GAT-CHELL). GOTSCHALL Variations: GOTTSCHALL GOTSCHALK GOTSCHALL GOTSHALK GOTCHELL GUTSHALL GOTSCHAL GOTTSCHALK GOTTSCHALCK GODSCHALL Poland: GOCZAL GOSZAL GOCZALKOWSKI GOTSCHALKOWSKI France: GODCHAUX-no clear confirmed relationship to date GADSCHALK-Deriviation unknown GOTESCALCUS-Latin GOTESCALC-Proably pre-dates GOTTSCHALK and it's variations. Do you think we could ever tie all of these names togehter? Makes my head swim just trying to pronounce them . Linda Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:50:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Gottschalk While you're on this name, let me post what I saw on the Gottschalk's (dept. store) web site. In the "About Gottschalks" link on www.gottschalks.com, the first paragraph says: The history of Gottschalks. Gottschalks is a regional department store chain headquartered in Fresno, California. It was founded in 1904 by German immigrant Emil Gottschalk, who described the business as "the store that cares." This remains the company motto. Our Gottschalks (and various spellings) go back a lot further though, huh? So, all of this probably doesn't mean anything in our research. bob From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL California Deaths, 1940-1997-Part 2 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:36:22 -0400 GUDGEL, Mary E., female, b. 12/27/1883, d. 4/29/1970, Illinois, Santa Barbara, CA, ss 343281925. GUDGEL, Lloyd L., male, b. 6/9/1895, d. 12/11/1974, Oklahoma, Madera, CA, ss 558524943. GUDGEL, Lucille S. female, b. 9/21/1924, d. 11/02/1977, Iowa, Santa Barbara, CA., ss 299188835. GUDGEL, Mary M., female, b. 9/30/1922, d. 6/8/1977, Illinois, Santa Barbara, CA, ss 551488814. GUDGEL, Virginia Carol, female, b. 9/29/1935, d. 7/20/1978, California, Fresno, CA, ss 567421535. GUDGEL, Aaron Lee, male, b. 1/9/1973, d. 10/11/1979, California, Fresno, CA. GUDGEL, Ila Virginia, female, b. 4/1/1906, d. 10/5/1983, West Virginia, Los Angeles, CA., ss 545246095, mother-HAWKS, father-HAWKS. GUDGEL, Charles Howard, male, b. 5/21/1910, d. 1/12/1984, Nebraska, San Diego, CA., ss 518148871, mother- JOHNSON. GUDGEL, Helen Baldwin, female, b. 11/26/1906, d. 12/18/1984, Illinois, Solano, CA, ss 562099699, moother- HOGUE. GUDGEL, Seth,Steven, male, b. 1/23/1985, d. 1/26/1985, California, Fresno, CA. mother- STUART. GUDGEL, Caryl Louise, female, b. 8/3/1923, d. 11/2/1986, Indiana, Placer, CA, ss 551262490, mother- HERZOG, father TORRENGA. GUDGEL, Doyle Robert, male, b. 6/4/1920, d. 5/5/1987, Oklahoma, Merced, CA, ss 445147507, mother, SPINDELL GUDGEL, Margaret Agnes, female, b. 7/13/1919, d. 2/7/1988, Oklahoma, Mercd, CA, ss 561457896, mother-HARGUS, father- SHIELDS. SHIPP, Doris Dean, female, b. 3/11/1929, d. 12/17/1988, California, Kern, CA, ss 565367446, mother- GUDGEL, father- HARRIS BROWN, Daniel William, male, b. 12/17/1906, d.1/10/1989, Illinois, San Diego, CA, ss 571504446, mother-GUDGEL. GUDGEL, Haley P., male, b. 5/19/1910, d. 11/20/1989, Illinois, Santa Barbara, CA., ss 310070275. GUDGEL, Opal Leroy, male, b. 5/12/1911. d. 4/24/1989, Oklahoma, Merced, CA, ss 549348887, mother-SEVEDGE. GUDGEL, Virgil Wiley, male, b. 2/16/1908, d. 2/11/1989, Oklahoma, Merced, CA, ss 552420635, mother-SEVEDGE. BEGLEY, ELLA, FEMALE, B. 7/15/1897, D. 12/21/199O, Oklahoma, Madera, CA, ss 573342611, mother-SECEDGE, father- GUDGEL DOLLENS, Betty Jo, female, b. 3/5/1926, d. 12/29/1990, California, Madera, CA, ss 558321492, mother- GUDGEL, father- HARRIS. GRANT, Hazel L., female, b. 7/11/1914, d. 2/1/1990, Iowa, Los Angeles, CA, ss 505166644, mother- GUDGEL, father-EDWARDS. GUDGEL, Marion Floyd, male, b. 4/12/1924, d. 2/6/1990, California, Placer, CA, ss 559343563, mother- FERGUSON. GUDGEL, Otto Augusta, male, b. 11/18/1913, d. 7/20/1991, Oklahoma, Merced, CA, ss 557162793, mother- SEVEDGE. TOWNSEND, Edna Bonnie, female, b. 6/16/1905, d. 11/15/1991, Oklahoma, Merced ,CA, ss 567504999, mother- SEVEDGE, father- GUDGEL. GUDGEL, Edwin Lyle, male, b. 6/15/1914, d. 2/18/1992, Iowa, Ventura, CA, ss 485052989, mother-THOMPSON. STONE, Patricia Jurhee, female, b. 8/12/1949, d. 10/24/1993, California, Fresno, CA., ss 555705597, mother- BARNES, father, GUDGEL. GUDGEL, Jean Ruth, female, b. 1/28/1922, d. 4/8/1994, Montana, Marin, CA., ss 517121115, mother- ADAMS, father- CASSY. GUDGEL, Robert H., male, b. 5/13/1925. d. 11/30/1994, Montana, Solano. CA., ss 720181895, mother- HIGUE. HARRIS, Emma Sarah, female, b. 11/26/1902, d. 6/27/1995, Oklahoma, Madera, CA. ss 558526267, mother-SEVEDGE, father- GUDGEL. WELLS, Betty Jean, female,,b. 6/1/1927, d. 5/26/1996, Illinois, San Bernadino, CA,, ss 318201238, mother-LEMKA, father- GUDGEL. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL California Deaths, 1940-1997- Part 1 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:36:09 -0400 Columns are as follows: Surname, Given Name, Middle Name, Sex, Birth Date, Death Date, Birth Place, Death Place, Social Security #, mother's maiden name, fathers surname: BELL, Gertrude A., female, b. 2/24/1878, d. 2/24/1940, Iowa, Tulare, CA, mother-GUDGEL, father-SUTHERLAND. GUDGEL, (no first name), female, b. 6/13/1940, d. 6/13/1940, California, Merced, CA. mother- CHASTINE, father-GUDGEL. GUDGEL, Albert Jacob, male, b. 8/30/1886. d. 12/27/1943, Illinois, Los Angeles, CA, ss 523109310, mother-DOSHER, father-GUDGEL. SUTHERLAND, John Milton, male, b. 10/1/1873, d. 4/7/1943, Iowa, Sonoma, CA, mother-GUDGEL, father-SUTHERLAND. GUDGEL, Edward, male, b. 1/12/1893, d. 2/9/1944, Missouri, San Joaquin, mother-MORRIS, father-GUDGEL. GUDGEL, Ade, female, b. 10/12/1860, d. 12/4/1945, Illinois, Butte, CA,, mother- CARR, father-SCHOONOVER. SADLER, Blanche L., female, b. 10/30/1882, d. 4/21/1947, Illinois, Napa, CA,, mother- SMITH, father-GUDGEL. GUDGEL, Dona Coombs, female, b. 11/17/1870, d. 12/24/1948, Indiana, Los Angeles, CA,, mother-CAR, father COOMBS. HENDERSON, Robert Lee, male, b. 2/20/1904, d. 9/27/1949, Texas, Humboldt, CA, ss 566015986, mother-GUDGEL, father-HENDERSON. BEVAN, Leroy Thomas, male, b. 11/05/1944, d. 2/11/1951, California, Los Angeles, CA, mother- GUDGEL, father-BEVAN. LARKIN, Marion Keate, female, b. 9/181916, d. 10.25.1951, Utah, Contra Costa, CA, mother-GUDGEL, father-KEATE. GUDGEL, Mary Elizabeth, female, b. 10/9/1861, d. 4/10/1953, Iowa, San Joaquin, CA, mother-OConner, father-MORSE. SUTHERLAND, William Harrison, male, b. 9/23/1867, d. 5/3/1953, Illinois, Los Angeles, CA, mother-GUDGEL, father- SUTHERLAND. CARROLL, Clara Alice, female, b. 3/7/1969, d. 2/17/1954, Kansas, San Francisco, CA., mother- GUDGEL, father- MITZEL. WOOD, Kenneth Wayne, male, b. 12/81943, d. 9/17/1956, California, Merced, CA, mother- GUDGEL, father-WOOD. SUTHERLAND, Stella M., female, b. 3/18/1864, d. 5/17/1957, Illinois, Orange, CA, mother- GUDGEL, father-SUTHERLAND. GUDGEL, Edwin Louis, male, b. 8/11/1868, d.7/8/1959, Illinois, Butte, mother-LARAMORE, father-GUDGEL. JORDAN, Jesse Morrell, male, b. 10/24/1894, d. 3/24/1959. Kansas, Los Angeles, CA,, ss 555095634, mother- GUDGEL, father- JORDAN. GUDGEL, Sarrah E., female, b. 2/22/1875, d. 8/16/1960, Texas, Madera, CA. GUDGEL, elmer e., male, b. 5/13/1900, d. 11/28/1964, Oklahoma, Los Angeles, CA, ss 566366728. BRENNEN, Helen B., female, b. 7/25/1900, d. 7/4/1965, Missouri, San Francisco, CA,, mother- GUDGEL. GUDGEL, Blanche, female, b. 7/24/1909, d. 9/15/1965, Indiana, Santa Barbara, CA, ss 303266483, mother-FINES. GUDGEL, Theodore A., male, b. 4/2/1904, d. 2/9/1965, Illinois, Santa Barbara, CA, ss 460563792, mother- PRITCHAR GUDGEL, Ethel, female, b. 1/4/1882, d. 10/1/1966, Indiana, Santa Cruz, CA, mother-SIMPSON, father-WALDEN. GUDGEL, (no first name), female, b. 6/12/1967, d. 6/12/1967, California, Marin, CA., mother- WALDEN GUDGEL, Alice L., female, b. 11/15/1885, d. 2/28/1967, Ohio, Santa Barbara, CA., ss: 537050034, mother- STEWART. GUDGEL, John C., male, b. 10/11/1908, d. 5/31/1967, Oregon, Santa Cruz, CA, ss 516143083, mother-HOGUE. GUDGEL, Richard S., male, b. 4/4/1918, d. 5/19/1967, Montana, Marin, CA, ss 517077441, mother- HOGUE. EDWARDS, Cletis P., male, b. 8/18/1908, d. 6/27/1969, Iowa, Los Angeles, CA, ss 520102287, mother-GUDGEL. EDWARDS, Eddie, male, b. 8/18/1908, d. 6/27/1969, Iowa,, Los Angeles, CA., ss 520102287, mother- GUDGEL. (note: these last two are identical except for the name. Twins? or the same person?) From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGELL/GUDGEL Illinois Marriage Records, 1851-1900 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:36:46 -0400 WILLIAMS, Elmer V. to Mae GUDGELL, June 15, 1898, Rock Island County, IL HIBBS, Robert A. to Caroline GUDGELL, July 4, 1892, Sangamon Co., IL RIDER, James W. to Elizabeth GUDGEL, March 23, 1869, Coles County, IL HANNIBAL, Herbert to Mrs. Caroline GUDGEL, January 28, 1896, Sangamon Co., IL GUDGEL, Perry M. to Ollie HUNT, November 18, 1896, White Co., IL GUDGEL, William Leonard to Christina DOSHER, February 24, 1881, White Co., IL From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Misc. GUDGEL(L) Information Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:35:27 -0400 Hi Folks- Well, it's about 17 days till the wedding and yes, it is getting a bit hectic here . But I'm hanging in there so far. I thought I'd send this info. since I won't be having a lot of spare time in the next few weeks. Better do it now. Carrie has moved into the new house they bought. At least it is quiet there and she can use the time to study for finals. She graduates this Sunday! Yippee! Will keep everyone posted. Wish I could have yu all here for the wedding and the reception. (Have to practice my "Electric Slide" for the dance floor . UTAH CEMETERY INVENTORY SEARCH RESULTS: (Columns are name, gender, Cemetery (all are Salt Lake Cemetery), Birth Date,, Birth Place, Death Date, Death Place and Source: (all are from Sexton Records). GUDGELL, first name unknown, Salt Lake Cemetry, birthdate unknown, burthplace unknown, Date of Death: April 21, 1884, Death Place: Salt Lake City, Utah. GUDGELL, Frank, Gender (Blank), Birthdate (Blank), Birthplace: Fairfield, Iowa; Death Date: October 30, 1885, Death Place: Salt Lake City. GUDGELL, Edith Hedger, gender (blank); Birthdate: 1876; Birthplace: (Blank); Death Date: July 25, 1933, Death Place: Salt Lake City.. HENDERSON, Erma GUDGELL Keate, gender (blank); Birth Date and Birthplace (blank); Death Date: May 17, 1960; Death Place: Phoenix, Arizona GUDGELL, Frank, gender (blank), Bith Date: October 24, 1891; Birthplace: Salt Lake City; Death Date: March 30, 1965; Death Place: Salt Lake City. GUDGELL, Margaret, gender (blank); Birth Date: August 17, 1883; Birthplace: Salt Lake City; Death Date: August 10, 1980; Death Place: Salt Lake City. Can anyone identify any of these people? Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGELL Kentucky Marriages, 1851-1900 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:36:34 -0400 This is the last posting I will do tonight. Maybe someone will find a long lost relative that has eluded them somehow. SIMPSON, Purvis to Mollie GUDGELL, October 3, 1895, Greenup Co., KY GUDGELL, Daniel E. to Cornelia E. BIGGS, December 21, 1858, Henderson Co., KY. LOVE, James to Katie GUDGELL, September 25, 1900 Henderson Co., KY. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGELL California Deaths, 1940-1947 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:35:47 -0400 Some of these names I recognize, most I don't. If you know who someone is please give us a little information on that person and their lineage: Linda Columns are as follows: Surname, Given Name, Middle Name, Sex, Birth Date, Death Date, Birth Place, Death Place, Social Security #, mother's maiden name, father's surname: GUDGELL, Irma Dean, female, b. 2/22/1903, d. 12/29/1941, Texas, Los Angeles, CA, mother, BURTON, father, SUMMERVILLE. BOICE, Lu Belle, female, b. 9/20/1871, d. 7/15/1945, Missouri, Los Angeles, CA, mother-WHALEY; father-GUDGELL. SMITH, Robert Gerald, male, b. 10/28/1946, d. 2/22/1950, California, Los Angeles, CA, mother-GUDGELL, father-SMITH. SMITH, Kenneth Charles, male, b. 9/25/1953, d. 9/30/1953, California, Los Angeles, CA, mother-GUDGELL, father-SMITH. BOICE, Charles G., male, b. 4/1/1902, d. 12/15/1956, Missouri, Orange, CA, ss 527079503, mother-GUDGELL, father-BOICE. GUDGELL, Janet W., female, b. 1/21/1868, d. 11/02/1960, Utah, San Bernardina, CA, mother-PETTY. GUDGELL, Emma F., female, b. 11/20/1883, d. 9/5/1962, Vermont, Los Angeles, CA, ss 276053512, mother-RANAHAN. GUDGELL, George W., male, b. 4/27/1907, d. 12/03/1976, Iowa, Los Angeles, CA, ss 550099736. GUDGELL, Julie E., female, b. 2/18/1970, d. 7/21/1976, California, Santa Clara, CA, ss 566333143. GUDGELL, Geprge William, male, b. 7/13/1931, d. 4/11/1978, Illinois, Los Angeles, ss 333245028. GUDGELL, Arthur J., male, b. 3/22/1906, d. 3/31/1979, Utah, Los Angeles, CA., ss 551018673. GUDGELL, Frank Whaley, male, b. 7/7/1918, d. 10/16/1980, Kansas, Los Angeles, CA., ss 509141014, mother- LONGSHIE. NICHOLS, Jessie Mae, female, b. 1/6/1890, d. 2/21/1981, Utah, San Berbardina, CA, ss 55527761, mother-CAMPBELL; father- GUDGELL. NICHOLS, Henry William, male, b. 5/17/1891, d. 6/20/1984, Utah, Riverside, CA, ss 087012027, mother- GUDGELL,. ANDERSON, Ethel Moreland, female, b. 5/23/1890, d. 5/4/1986, Kentucky, Orange, CA, ss 573304991, mother-GUDGELL, father-MORELAND. SMITH, Marion Virginia, female, 6/12/1928, d. 10/5/1986, Utah, Los Angeles, CA, ss 563345356, mother- ISSAC, father-GUDGELL. STEVENS, Luella, Lenora, female, b. 9/28/1896, d. 2/22/1988, Illinois, Sutter, CA, ss 550188764, mother-BARTHLEMAN, father, GUDGELL. MARIOTTE, Madge Williams, female,, b. 4/26/1899, d. 10/18/1992, Illinois, Sacremento, CA, ss 552303006, mother-GUDGELL, father- WILLIAMS. WILLIAMS, Robert GUDGELL, male, b. 4/15/1906, d. 4/18/1993, California, San Diego, CA, ss 519099318, mother-GUDGELL, HOWELL, Velda Marie, female, b. 8/18/1912, d. 7/24/1994, Missouri, Sacremento, CA, ss 429203252, mother- CHINN, father-GUDGELL. STUBBS, Virginia Maxine, female, b. 4/30/1912, d. 1/22/1994, Iowa, Napa, CA, ss. 331127413, mother-GUDGELL, father- SADLER. BROX, Blanche M., female, b. 6/4/1896, d. 10/26/1996, Kentucky, San Diego, CA, ss 572126286,mother-GUDGELL, father-MOERLAND. PFROMMER, Vivian Leora, female, b. 1/4/1912, d. 11/3/1996, South Dakota, Losa Angeles, CA, ss 344077413, mother-GUDGELL, father-PRINCE. KILE, Ethel, female, b. 1/18/1901, d. 5/3/1997, Missouri, Tuolumne, CA, ss 566447011, mother-SEVEDGE, father, GUDGELL. Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:17:28 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Correct name The mothers name of Marion F Jr. was Fergerson and not Ferguson. A common error. Thanks Linda. He is my brother. GUDGEL, Marion Floyd, male, b. 4/12/1924, d. 2/6/1990, California, Placer, CA, ss 559343563, mother- FERGUSON. -- Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:48:19 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL California Deaths, 1940-1997-Part 2 Linda, Where did you get the information that includes the SS # and the mother and father's last names? It is good. I can get the SS numbers off many web sites, but not the parents. Regarding the names listed: Lloyd Gudgel was the son of Emma (Sevedge) and Thomas Wiley Gudgel as were Opal, Otto, and Virgil Wiley Gudgel. Ella Gudgel Begley, Edna Gudgel Townsend, and Emma Gudgel Harris were sisters to Lloyd, etc. Dorris Ship and Betty Dollens were the daughters of Emma Gudgel Harris who is a brother to Lloyd (above). Marion Floyd Gudgel Jr was a son of Marion Sr who was in turn a brother to Lloyd and all those above. Dianne Gudgel Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > GUDGEL, Mary E., female, b. 12/27/1883, d. 4/29/1970, Illinois, Santa > Barbara, CA, ss > 343281925. From: "Kevin & Marie Barnett" To: , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: GUDGEL California Deaths, 1940-1997-Part 2 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:20:18 -0700 Don't forget Ethel Gudgel who was also the daughter of Emma Sevedge and = Thomas Wiley Gudgel. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dianne Holmes=20 To: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 Cc: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: Re: GUDGEL California Deaths, 1940-1997-Part 2 Linda, Where did you get the information that includes the SS # and the = mother and father's last names? It is good. I can get the SS numbers off many web = sites, but not the parents. Regarding the names listed: Lloyd Gudgel was the son of Emma (Sevedge) and Thomas Wiley Gudgel as = were Opal, Otto, and Virgil Wiley Gudgel. Ella Gudgel Begley, Edna Gudgel = Townsend, and Emma Gudgel Harris were sisters to Lloyd, etc. Dorris Ship and Betty Dollens were the daughters of Emma Gudgel Harris = who is a brother to Lloyd (above). Marion Floyd Gudgel Jr was a son of Marion Sr who was in turn a = brother to Lloyd and all those above. Dianne Gudgel Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > GUDGEL, Mary E., female, b. 12/27/1883, d. 4/29/1970, Illinois, = Santa > Barbara, CA, ss > 343281925. <> From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Ca. deaths 1940-1947 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:39:01 -0700 RE; Ca. Deaths 1940-1947 STEVENS, LUELLA, LENORA married Bennie A. Stevens 12 Jan. 1920 LUELLA L. GUDGELL STEVENS was dau. of ALBERT L. GUDGELL, son of MILTON, son of MAHLON, son of DANIEL. PFROMMER, VIVIAN LEORA PRINCE married John Pfrommer 19 Sept. 1936. VIVIAN LEORA PRINCE was dau. of DORA ETHEL GUDGELL PRINCE, dau. of ALBERT L. GUDGELL, son of MILTON, son of MAHLON, son of DANIEL. DORA ETHEL GUDGELL b. 12 Oct 1890 d. unknown, married George R. Prince 8 Oct 1910. Children of Dora Ethel and George Prince are; Vivian Leora Prince Pfrommer Lois Emma Prince Jarvis Ralph D. Prince ALBERT L GUGELL b. 4 June 1852 d. 28 Mar 1940, married MARTHA L BARTHELMAN 6 Dec 1877. Martha Barthelman's step- father was WM. TOMLINSON. Children of Albert L. Gudgell and Martha Barthelman are: Mary Ann Gudgell married Oscar C. Prince Charles William Gudgell Dora Ethel Gudgell married George R. Prince Luella Leonora Gudgell married Bennie Stevens Source: Dates and names from Prince family bible pages. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL/GUDGELL CA, IL, KY, UT data Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:24:10 -0400 I found this data on Ancestry.com on a free database. It was too good not to pass on. I am seriously considering subscribing to Ancestry.com after all the wedding festivities are over. Have any of you subscribed to this before and did you feel it was worth the money? They are adding lots of information as time goes on and a lot of it I can't access without being a subscriber. Would appreciate input from you guys. Linda, from beautiful weather in Kentucky. A little dry already-hopes it not a sign of a long hot and dry summer. From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:38:10 EDT Subject: Calafornia Gudgel's I have a; Sutherland, John b. abt 1873 son of James Hiram [Harvey] Sutherland & Maria Gudgel. Maria was the dau. of James H. & Elizabeth [Horner] Gudgel. James Sutherland was the son of Issac & Margaret [McKegg} Sutherland I have a: William Harrison Sutherland b.1841 Fulton Co., IL; d. aft 1901; married to Mary Ellen Gudgel dau of James H. & Elizabeth [Horner] Gudgel. William is the son of Issac & Margaret [McKegg] Sutherland. James & William were twins. Their half brother, Robert M. Keerns, married Sarah Jane Gudgel. Maria, Mary Ellen & Sarah Jane were sisters. Nancy Dingman From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: idenity of Gudgels Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:44:54 -0700 Linda wrote: GUDGEL, Perry M. to Ollie HUNT, November 18, 1896, White Co., IL from Vivian: Perry Morton Gudgell was son of Abraham, son of William, son of Andrew Sr., son of Frederick oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Linda wrote: GUDGEL, Edward, male, b. 1/12/1893, d. 2/9/1944, Missouri, San Joaquin, mother-MORRIS, father-GUDGEL from vivian:. Edward Gudgel was son of Edward Montjoy, son of Edward, son of John Franklin, son of Jacob, son of Andrew Sr., son of Frederick. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Nancy Dingman wrote: The Sutherland boys were twins. from vivian I have Mary Ellen and Mariah as being twin sisters born in 1848. James Harlan Gudgell was son of Stephen, son of Daniel. Do you know which of the couples the children mentioned belonged to? oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Linda wrote: CARROLL, Clara Alice, female, b. 3/7/1969, d. 2/17/1954, Kansas, San Francisco, CA., mother- GUDGEL, father- MITZEL. (I believe her birthdate should be 1869 not 1969) from Vivian: Clara Alice Carroll was the dau. of Missouri Catherine Gudgel b. 1 Dec 1848 Jefferson Co. In. d. 19 Jan. 1940. Missouri Catherine married Ben Mitzell 5 Jan 1867. Missouri Catherine was the dau. of Jacob Gudgel, son of Andrew Sr., son of Frederick Missouri Catherine and Ben Mitzel's children were: Clara Alice Carroll Effie Patterson Lora Callison oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Linda wrote: GUDGEL, Edwin Louis, male, b. 8/11/1868, d.7/8/1959, Illinois, Butte, mother-LARAMORE, father-GUDGEL. from Vivian: Edwin Louis Gudgell is the son of John Milton and Wilhelmina Larimore, son of Stephen, son of Mahlon, son of Daniel. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I hope this helps someone. Feel free to make corrections. Vivian Gudgell From: "Nancy Miller" To: , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: GUDGEL California Deaths, 1940-1997-Part 2 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:05:37 -0700 Diane, Linda, etc. I think the CA deaths with the SSN's were from the CA death index: http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi which is a free site put up by Roots Web and very helpful. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Cc: Gudgel List Date: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: Re: GUDGEL California Deaths, 1940-1997-Part 2 >Linda, > Where did you get the information that includes the SS # and the mother and >father's last names? It is good. I can get the SS numbers off many web sites, <> From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: identity of Gudgels (2) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:52:02 -0700 Linda wrote: JORDAN, Jesse Morrell, male, b. 10/24/1894, d. 3/24/1959. Kansas, Los Angeles, CA,, ss 555095634, mother- GUDGEL, father- JORDAN from vivian: Nancy Jane Gudgell married Jesse Jordon. Nancy Jane was the dau. of Jacob Gudgel, son of William, son of Andrew Sr.., son of Frederick. I believe that Jesse Morrell is her son, but I don't have any documentation for that. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Linda wrote: GUDGEL, Theodore A., male, b. 4/2/1904, d. 2/9/1965, Illinois, Santa Barbara, CA, ss 460563792, mother- PRITCHAR from vivian: Theodore A. Gudgell was the son of John S. Gudgell, son of Bert Allen, son of Abaham, son of Abram, son of Andrew Sr., son of Frederick. Other children of Bert Allen and Mary Elizabeth Pritchard were: Victor b. 1906 and Herman b. 1909. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Linda wrote: GUDGELL, Daniel E. to Cornelia E. BIGGS, December 21, 1858, Henderson Co., KY. from vivian; Daniel e. Gudgel is son of Joel, son of Jacob, son of Andrew Sr. son of Frederick ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Linda wrote: LOVE, James to Katie GUDGELL, September 25, 1900 Henderson Co., KY. from vivian: Katie Gudgel is dau. of Joel, son of Jacob, son of Andrew Sr. , son of Frederick. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo That is all from me! Hope it helps. Vivian Gudgell From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:39:34 EDT Subject: Idenity of Gudgels Nancy Dingman wrote: The Sutherland boys were twins. from vivian I have Mary Ellen and Mariah as being twin sisters born in 1848. James Harlan Gudgell was son of Stephen, son of Daniel. Do you know which of the couples the children mentioned belonged to? --------------------------------------- Let me know if there are any corrections. Nancy D. Descendants of James Harlan Gudgel 1 James Harlan GUDGEL b: Nov 15, 1811 in Browsville, Fayette Co., PA d: Jun 17, 1899 in Adel, Dallas Co., IA . +Elizabeth HORNER b: Jul 05, 1810 in Reading, Hamilton Co., OH d: Feb 28, 1887 in Adel, Dallas Co., IA m: Apr 12, 1832 in Jefferson Co, IN ...... 2 Sarah Jane GUDGEL b: Jun 01, 1833 in Madison, Jefferson Co., IN d: Aug 27, 1916 in Denver, Denver Co., CO - Bur. Oakdale Ceme. Adel, IA .......... +Robert M. KEERNS b: Jan 31, 1827 in Lawrence Co., IN d: Oct 14, 1899 in Colorado Springs, El Paso Co., CO,- Bur. Oakdale ceme, Adel, IA m: Jun 03, 1855 in Tiskilwa, Bureau Co., IL ...... 2 Perthana GUDGEL b: Apr 29, 1838 d: Apr 01, 1910 .......... +Walker PURVIANCE b: Unknown d: Unknown m: Unknown ...... 2 Mary Ellen GUDGEL b: 1848 d: Unknown in Orange, CA .......... +William Harrison SUTHERLAND, [twin] b: 1841 in Fulton Co., IL d: Aft. 1901 m: Unknown ...... 2 James T. GUDGEL b: Sep 08, 1851 d: Unknown .......... +Mary A. b: Dec 24, 1855 d: Jan 05, 1894 m: Unknown ...... 2 Margaret Ann GUDGEL b: Dec 03, 1852 in Bureeau Co., IL d: Aug 08, 1895 .......... +Samuel Homer BRITTON b: Jul 20, 1854 in Milo Twp, Bureau Co., Illinois d: Mar 17, 1937 in Minneapolis, Minnesota m: Jan 03, 1877 ...... 2 Elizabeth GUDGEL b: Unknown d: Unknown .......... +Samuel THOMPSON b: Unknown d: Unknown m: Unknown ...... 2 Maria GUDGEL b: Unknown d: Unknown .......... +James Hiram [Harvey] SUTHERLAND, [twin] b: 1841 in Fulton Co., IL d: Aft. 1901 m: Unknown From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: re identity of gudgels Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:36:07 -0700 Nancy, your data on James Harlan Gudgell looks the same as mine. I was just wondering who the SUTHERLAND children belonged to. On Linda's lists there was Gertrude Bell, John Milton Sutherland, William Harrison Sutherland, and Stella M. Sutherland. They all had a father named SUTHERLAND. I have Nellie, Elizabeth, Margaret, Ila, Minnie as children of Sarah Jane and Robert Keerns. Is that correct? Vivian G. From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: re; Gudgel identity Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:00:22 -0700 I found another one on ancestry world tree tonight Linda wrote: BOICE, Lu Belle, female, b. 9/20/1871, d. 7/15/1945, Missouri, Los Angeles, CA, mother-WHALEY; father-GUDGELL. BOICE, Charles G., male, b. 4/1/1902, d. 12/15/1956, Missouri, Orange, CA, ss 527079503, mother-GUDGELL, father-BOICE. from vivian: LuBelle Boice was a dau. of Charles B. Gudgell, son of Joseph, son of Andrew Jr., son of Andrew Sr., Son of Frederick. This is the Hereford cattle gudgells. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 06:45:18 -0700 From: "David W. Hammond" Subject: California List part 1 Alice L. Gudgel ( 11/ 15/1885- 2/28/1967) was married to Everett D. Gudgel, son of John Franklin. She was my grandmother Lynn (Gudgel) Hammond From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:02:31 EDT Subject: identity of Gudgels I have Stella Sutherland b 1864; the dau of William Harrison Sutherland [twin] & Mary Ellen Gudgel [James Harlan Gudgel, Stephen Gudgel, Daniel Gudgel] Nancy D. From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:13:44 EDT Subject: identity of gudgels To: vgudgell@whidbey.net (Vivian Gudgell) I have Nellie, Elizabeth, Margaret, Ila, Minnie as children of Sarah Jane and Robert Keerns. Is that correct? Vivian G. There is also Lena V. Nancy D. Descendants of Robert M. Keerns & Sarah Jane Gudgel 1 Robert M. KEERNS b: Jan 31, 1827 in Lawrence Co., IN d: Oct 14, 1899 in Colorado Springs, El Paso Co., CO,- Bur. Oakdale ceme, Adel, IA . +Sarah Jane GUDGEL b: Jun 01, 1833 in Madison, Jefferson Co., IN d: Aug 27, 1916 in Denver, Denver Co., CO - Bur. Oakdale Ceme. Adel, IA m: Jun 03, 1855 in Tiskilwa, Bureau Co., IL ...... 2 Charles KEERNS b: Jun 24, 1856 d: 1857 ...... 2 Nellie KEERNS b: Apr 04, 1858 in Milo, Bureau Co., IL d: Oct 13, 1926 in Des Moines, Polk Co., IA, Bur. Oakdale Ceme. Adel, IA .......... +Adelbert Carter HUBBARD b: Jul 25, 1856 in Centerville, Alleganey Co., NY d: Jan 14, 1936 in 7:45 P.M.-Adel, Dallas Co., IA m: Mar 24, 1878 in Milo, Bureau Co., IL ...... 2 Elizabeth F. KEERNS b: Dec 27, 1859 in Milo, Bureau Co., IL d: Jun 25, 1931 .......... +Norton B. HASKINS b: 1856 d: 1936 m: Unknown ...... 2 Margaret KEERNS b: Nov 30, 1862 in Milo, Bureau Co., IL. d: Jul 22, 1909 in Adel, Dallas Co., IA.-Bur. Oakdale ceme. Adel, IA .......... +Clark V. DAWSON b: May 20, 1856 in Bureau Co., IL d: Apr 13, 1926 in Bur. Oakdale Ceme. Adel, IA m: Mar 04, 1886 in Adel, Dallas Co., IA ...... 2 Ida KEERNS b: Aug 18, 1864 in Milo, Bureau Co., IL d: Mar 15, 1945 .......... +Larken G. CALDWELL b: Nov 16, 1856 d: Jan 28, 1935 m: Unknown ...... 2 Minnie KEERNS b: Nov 01, 1866 in Milo, Bureau Co., IL d: 1955 in Sauk Rapids, Benton Co., MN .......... +Frederick Emil UTZ b: Apr 23, 1864 in Rheinheim, Baden,Germany d: Nov 17, 1940 in Huntington, Cabell Co., WV m: Jan 29, 1891 in Adel, Dallas Co., IA ...... 2 Lena V. KEERNS b: Sep 06, 1872 in Milo, Bureau Co., IL d: Feb 24, 1944 in Des Moines, Polk Co., IA-Bur. Resthaven Ceme. Des Moines. IA .......... +Charles E. WARFORD b: Nov 19, 1874 d: Jan 03, 1939 in Knoxville, IA-Bur. Resthaven Ceme., Des Moines, IA m: Aft. 1896 From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:27:31 EDT Subject: Re: re identity of gudgels To: vgudgell@whidbey.net In a message dated 5/3/01 10:39:58 PM Central Daylight Time, vgudgell@whidbey.net writes: << Nancy, your data on James Harlan Gudgell looks the same as mine. I was just wondering who the SUTHERLAND children belonged to. On Linda's lists there was Gertrude Bell, John Milton Sutherland, William Harrison Sutherland, and Stella M. Sutherland. They all had a father named SUTHERLAND. Vivian G.> > Margaret McKegg m1 Mr KEERNS; m2 Issac Sutherland Children by m1 were Robert M. Keerns, Minerva Keerns, John Keerns. Children by m2 were James Hiram [Harvey] Sutherland, [twin], William Harrison Sutherland, [twin], Lemuel Roger Sutherland, Charles Wesley Sutherland, Calvin Sutherland. Robert M. Keerns & his 2 half brothers [twins] all married Gudgel sisters. Nancy D. From: NancykDing@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:54:31 EDT Subject: Re: re identity of gudgels To: vgudgell@whidbey.net Gertrude Bell b. 2-2401878; married Fred Bell. She was a dau. of William Harrison Sutherland, [twin] & Mary Ellen Gudgel Nancy D. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Alice L. GUDGEL (1885-1867) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:10:54 -0400 You guys are great. So glad to see some information coming forward to fill in some of my blanks. To-Lynn GUDGEL Hammond: Your grandmother, Alice L. GUDGEL, dau. of Everett D. GUDGEL- where was she born, where did she die? Also-who did she marry, when and where? Where did they live? Children? Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Derby Day in Kentucky Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 09:12:19 -0400 Hi Folks- It's a big day in Kentucky! The Run For The Roses a/k/a the Kentucky Derby. I suppose if people know any one thing about Kentucky it would have to be the Derby. I am going to my annual Derby Party this afternoon, get in a couple of bets, have a mint julep and just enjoy the day with friends. Anyone plan on watching it on T.V.? We are about 50 miles east of Louisville but I can see more on T.V. than trying to fight that crowd! Beautiful Derby weather today, too. Linda from Kentucky From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Immigrants in Bondage Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:50:14 -0700 I have an ILL book "The Complete Book of Immigrants in Bondage 1614-1775" by Peter Wilson Coldham. It contains approximately 36000 names. I found it interesting that there is only one possible person associated with our name and that is: GUDGEON, ABRAHAM, sentenced to transportation in August, transported in Oct.1726 on the ship 'Forward' from London. There are no Gottschalls or Gotshalls or any of the other names we associate with the Gudgel ancestors. This list of people came from the prisons of England, so maybe there would not be many Germans among them. Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Melissa Gudgell Dawson Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:22:56 -0700 Hi,Nancy Dingman and all other Cousins, Nancy asked if we lived on Whidbey Island. Wa. The answer is 'no', but our address is confusing to lots of people. We live on Camano Island . It is just our internet provider that is on Whidbey Island. We sit here on the west side of Camano looking across the water at Whidbey. Thanks a lot for the SUTHERLAND information. I noticed a CLARK V. DAWSON listed in the lineage. Do you have anything on that family? In a posting from Doyle, about JOHN GUDGELL, a civil war veteran, he mentioned MELISSA DAWSON as signing for a pension for GRACE, the blind daughter of this JOHN GUDGELL. I didn't have MELISSA's married name before, but it must be DAWSON. MELISSA was JOHN and MARGARET GILLIS' daughter. JOHN was son of MAHLON, son of DANIEL. vivian gudgell Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 19:08:08 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Immigrants in Bondage Vivian, Do you have the port that the "Forward" landed in? There are some Gudgeon's in Maryland that at one time I had thought might be connected to us. I no longer believe they are but unfortunately there is a book out on the Gudgeon's which connects them to us in Fayette Co, Pa. It is in error however. I should write up a little article as to why that is in error sometime. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Vivian Gudgell wrote: > I have an ILL book "The Complete Book of Immigrants in Bondage > 1614-1775" by Peter Wilson Coldham. It contains approximately From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Immigrants in bondage by Coldham Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 20:47:03 -0700 Dianne Holmes asked: , Do you have the port that the "Forward" landed in? There are some Gudgeon's in Maryland that at one time I had thought might be connected to us. I no longer believe they are but unfortunately there is a book out on the Gudgeon's which connects them to us in Fayette Co, Pa. It is in error however. I should write up a little article as to why that is in error sometime. from vivian: The book has a list of ships. It lists: Oct. 1726 'Forward' Dan Russell, Master Destination Virginia Reference: T53/33/294. I don't know what the reference stands for. A passage in the introduction reads: "Further information about most of the felons sentenced to transportation in London and Middlesex may be found in the printed series of "Old Bailey Sessions Papers", copies of which are held in the London Guildhall Library and in the British Library at Bloomsbury." Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" References: <51.b22b4a2.28265a9d@cs.com> Subject: Re: Melissa Gudgell Dawson Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 05:46:38 -0700 Good morning to all, to Joan: I Thought you had found Melissa's husband for me when you connected her = with your Andrew Wallis, but when we dug a little deeper, we knew the = facts did not match. Then we found the Witherspoon connection which = does seem to be the correct John Gudgel for your family. After that, I was going back into the gudgell-list archives and came = across a posting from ralphj@eskima.com dated Aug. 1999. In that = message he speaks about John's wife, Margaret Gillis, applying for a = pension in 1881 and his blind daughter, GRACE, being taken care of by a = D.B., and MELISSA DAWSON signing for GRACE when she applied for a = pension. It would seem that MELISSA married a DAWSON. I would like to = know that Mr. Dawson's first name. And who is D.B.??? Vvian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jckwll@cs.com=20 To: vgudgell@whidbey.net=20 Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Melissa Gudgell Dawson Hi Vivian:=20 This John Gudgel is the one that Bertold Wiener in Germany thought was = Bill's=20 great-grandfather and the father of his grandmother, Malissa Gudgel = Wallis.=20 However, there are several John Gudgels as some of you have pointed = out to me=20 and I have confirmed from the census records. The marriage certificate = in=20 Princeton, Indiana says that her father was John Gudgel and from a = genealogy=20 listings of Deby Lake who was doing the genealogy for the descendants = of=20 Lemuel Witherspoon, there was a mention of a Malissa in connection to = Nancy=20 Witherspoon, the daughter of Lemuel. Nancy have given me her email = address=20 to check it out. I found that the John M. Gudgel was married to Nancy=20 Witherspoon and they had a daughter named Malissa and the death date = matched=20 the one that is on Malissa's death certificate which is also in = Princeton,=20 IN, Court house. I want to try to get copies of these documents and = have sent=20 off a request to them thanks to an address that Nancy gave me. Malissa = apparently was the fifth born child of 13 children. (These Gudgel's = sure did=20 know how to make babies.) Her siblings were, Elvira, Lucy, = Elizabeth,=20 Harriett, then Malissa falls here, and then there is William, Ed, = Ella, Nancy=20 E., Dora, Charles, Ethel, and Fred Gudgel. For some reason, Malissa = is the=20 only one that had a date listed along side the name and it is only the = death=20 date, March 18, 1902, and it gives the source as Sue Wallace Burkhart, = 701 E.=20 Monroe St. Apt 228, Princeton, IN 47670. I plan to write her and see = what=20 other information she may have on the Wallis (Wallace) surname. =20 If I learn anything new from these sources or documents, other than = the=20 information that Bill's sister, Genevieve copied with the help of one = of the=20 women there at the Court house, I will let you know. I have been = following=20 the Gudgel messages and you guys are really terrific genealogists--so=20 thorough and your proofing is expertly done--so impressive. I have = so much=20 to learn in doing this -- and so many of you have been such a great = help to=20 me. Thanks a million. And thanks again to boB for setting up this = website.=20 Fond Regards,=20 Joan Cook Wallis=20 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re:Dennis and Pat's trip Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:55:10 -0700 Hi Cousins, Remember on our roll call I told about our son, Dennis, and his wife, Patsy, buying a sailboat in New Zealand. They are now on their way to Tonga and we got this letter from them tonight. I thought some of you might be interested. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Patsy wrote: Hi All We are 127 miles from N.Z.in 16 hrs since departure, aren't we speeding along. In reality for a sail boat of this size [ 44 ft] we are, we are making 6.2 knots. We are planning to arrive in Tonga in 10 to 12 days. We are the last of ten boats to leave, the first three got beat up pretty bad, from ripped sails in 45 knots of wind to failed engine in cyclone type environment. No thanks, we have beautiful blue skies, no swell, and hardly any wind. But we have a nice big ford 75 h.p. tractor diesel engine humming away and carrying us very nicely. We carry 1200 miles worth of fuel and Tonga is only 1010 or so miles from N.Z. Our course is N E 058... S 34 34.E 176 29. . We left Opua with light clouds and blue skies [ yes Peter I took my Paihia sea sick pills ] then about two hours later a pinkish/orange sunset behind Cape Brett with open water ahead. Our first night at sea was a huge moon that shone across the sea and kept everything nice and bright, crossed behind a huge cargo ship and steered around a long liner fishing boat. Our first evening was spent in the cockpit under warm coats,hats and throws over our legs and a big mug of hot cocoa. We were enjoying the moon lighting up the sea, the stars were shinning so bright they put on a show in their own right. Dennis turned in at 10 since I am the night owl, but at 2 a.m. the wind shifted and woke him up and he sent me to bed. I slept until 8 and did I feel great. The fishing lines are out and Dennis hopes are high for fresh fish for dinner, just in case, I thawed some chicken for a salad tonight. By for Now, Dennis and Pat Gudgell Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:27:39 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Dennis and Pat's trip Wow. That sounds really neat but scary. I think I'll stay with the really big boats and huge buffets 24 hrs a day. Where did they learn to sail? Dianne G-H Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Hi Cousins, > Remember on our roll call I told about our son, Dennis, and his From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Day two from the 'Harrier' Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:05:48 -0700 Good morning, Here is an account of 'day 2 from Dennis and Pat Gudgell aboard The Harrier'. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Patsy wrote: Second day at sea, 315 miles made good with 780 yet to travel. Average boat speed, so far, is 6.5 knots with 153 miles per day, "so far." Approximant location is 60 miles West off what is called the Tonga reef OR the Cerement Islands. Harrier is sailing to perfection, we could not ask for a better handling yacht. The good Lord is taking good care of us. Hi All, later...... We made good speed last night, up to 8.2 knots under a full bright moon, Venus was so bright last night that for awhile we thought it was a mast light and our radar had malfunctioned and wasn't picking it up. Today has brought choppy seas as we are trying to go around a storm front, The winds are in the 20 -25 knots and right on the noise. We are on short sail and motoring at 5.3 knots; in others words, we are bouncing around. The menu for today was bread and lots of water. Mom (Pat's Mom), the dozen pink artificial roses you sent for a present to Harrier when we bought her, are sitting in the port salon will fitted behind a Kauri fiddle with a green pillow tucked around their base; a bright spot of color as I look at them from the nav- station as I type this letter. Thank you for your thoughtfulness mom. A lady friend of mine, who quit sailing to start a marine store with her husband in Opua, gave us a going away present of an angel. She was in their boat as they sailed around the world to watch over them, and now she is watching over us. Just checked in with Dez at Russell Radio [ as we do twice a day] he monitors the yachts making passages to different locations in the South Pacific and our forecast is 35 knots on the noise from the North East. Sounds like a another choppy day tomorrow, bread and lots of water AGAIN. All is well on board Love Dennis and Patsy Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: Harrier Sailmail Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:52:17 -0700 Dianne asked: Vivian, What kind of system does the Harrier have that they can send messages from sea? Dianne G-H Answer from Vivian: They have their lap-top connected to their short wave radio. The radio is connected to SAIL MAIL which is a service provided by other ham radio operators around the world. The message is passed from one operator to another until Dennis accesses his mail. It is a little bit slower getting here. It takes about an hour according to the routing data that is recorded on my computer. But it is sure great to be able to keep in touch when they are bouncing around out there on that ocean. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Ellis Island records online and Dennis/Patsy's yacht trip Vivian, being a ham radio guy, I can appreciate the communications method that Dennis and Patsy Gudgell use (called "Pactor"). (http://www.sailmail.com/) for more info. Speaking of Gudgells, I had seen that Ellis Island records are now online and searched for Gudgel(l) and found two. I thought I had heard of this on the Gudgel list, but searched the archives and didn't see it listed The site is http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ One is Emma Gudgell, arrived march 10th 1922 from Cristobal, Canal Zone, Panama, was 31 years old, married, and arrived on the St. Mihel. The other is Homer Darwin Gudgell, from Liverpool England, arrived on the ship Philidelphia, was 19 years old and single. At the bottom of each record, it says "*This passenger is a U.S. citizen". I guess that means they just came back from visiting then. I didn't know that US citizens came this route as well as foreigners. Kind of neat stuff. I originally searched for "Gudgel", then clicked on "alternate spellings only" and got these two. boB From: Bob Gudgel Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Daniella It appears that the mail list program has deleted Daniella from the distribution evidently because she cannot be reached at dmoneta@home.com anymore. If anyone knows her whereabouts, let her know, would you? Thanks, boB Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Homer Darwin Gudgell I thought I remembered hearing something about a Darwin Gudgell and it must have been from Vivian. I forgot to mention when he arrived from Liverpool. That would be March 29th 1918 To make sure we have all this in the archive, I will post Vivian's email to me. Bob ----------- From Vivian Gudgell ---------------- Bob, The Homer Darwin you found is Lyle's uncle, son of Charles Thornton, son of Milton, son of Mahlon, son of Daniel. Did you get the date that he entered the US? He was in the Navy and we have post cards from him from all over. I think that Emma is one of ours ,too, as we have a picture of an Emma in Panama. I'll look up the pictures after lunch. You have it correct about the sail mail that Dennis uses. Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Frederick Gadschalk Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:28:14 -0700 Hello, Cousins, I may have found a clue! I have an ILL book "PASSENGER AND IMMIGRATION LIST INDEX Vol. 1 A-G. edited by William Filby and Mary Meyer. It contains 500,000 names with reference codes. I found GADSCHALK, FREDERICK, Philadelphia, Pa. 1734. Ref. 7820 page 472. Also, GADSCHALK, HERMAN, Philadelphia, Pa. 1734. same Ref. Page 477 On the same Ref. number and Page number, I found CHRISTIAN ALLEBACK Philadelphia Co. Pa. 1734. Ref. 7820 Page 477. 7820 Reference goes like this: 7820-Rupp,Israel Daniel: "A Collection of Upwards of 30,000 names of Germans, Swiss, Dutch, French and Other Immigrants in Pa. from 1727 to 1776, with a Statement of the Names of Ships, whence they Sailed, and Date of Arrival at Philadelphia, Chronologically together with the Necessary Historical and other Notes." Liepzig: Degener & Co. 1931 Reprint: Genealological Publishing Co. Inc.1965 (Lancour 144). If any one has access to this book by RUPP, I think we may have found our Frederick. Notice his name is spelled with an 'A' not 'O'. Vivian Gudgell From: "Lowell Pankake" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Frederick Gadschalk Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:27:50 -0500 I made a photocopy of pages 470 and 471 of the Rupp reference back in 1972. The information on these pages is actually the 1734 tax list of Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. These records have been coped to the USGenWeb archives at http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/taxlist/tax1734.txt. Here is the list for Franconia Township: 1734 Philadelphia County Taxables The following list was taken from tax lists of Philadelphia County and presents those persons who in 1734 lived in what is now Berks County, Pa. or in Townships bordering Berks Co. FRANCONIA: Johannes FREY, Jacob OBERHOLTZER, Jost PFANNENKUCH, Joseph ALTHAUS, Uly HUNSBERGER, Leonard CHRISTOLEER, Johannes WILHELM, Henrich ROSENBERGER, Jost SCHINDLER, Christian MAYER, Abraham REIF, Jacob HUNSBERGER, Georg GERMANN, Johann GRIESMAN, Conrad KUSTER, Michael BANG, Jacob FUHRMAN, Johannes HENTZ, Ludwig ZERKEL, Frederick GADSCHALK, Wilhelm HAUK, Henrich ZERKEL, Michael HENTZ, Georg HERTZELL, Frederick SCHOLL Lowell Pankake pankake@usfamily.net www.usfamily.net/web/pankake From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Frederick Gadschalk Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:44:26 -0700 SHUCKS!!!!! The title indicated that the book was a list of ships and passengers, "WHENCE THEY SAILED AND DATE OF ARRIVAL " Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: Jsalerno2@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:05:02 EDT Subject: Rupp book. The Isreal Daniel Rupp book is available from the Family History Library. It has been filmed twice. FHL Film #1421791, Item 18 and FHL Film #1036690, Item l. I think that this is the original book, not the reprint. I am lurking in the shadows terribly interested in all that you have to say. Could someone please post the address to the archive site for our list for me. Thanks, Joy in Texas Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:11:35 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Lowell Pankake CC: Vivian Gudgell , Subject: Re: Frederick Gadschalk Cousins, I looked at the rootsweb site below and immediately found 2 sons-in-law of Frederick Gotschalk listed under Franconia (township or town) for the 1734 tax list in this Berks Co, PA list. They are Jost Pfannenkuch (Pancake) and Christian Mayer. Frederick was there too. In Hanover township or town, I found Johannes Allbach which might be the other son-in-law or his parents. What is confusing to me is that we have been looking in Bucks Co, PA yet this title says these were the people in Berks Co, in 1734. So either our ancestors moved, or places changed names. I think we need to look more into the Berks Co records to check this out. I have looked many times in the Rupp passenger list guide and have never found any relatives that I could be sure of. But this tax list looks good. I would like to see the original though. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Lowell Pankake wrote: > I made a photocopy of pages 470 and 471 of the Rupp reference back in 1972. From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Day 3 aboard The Harrier Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:51:46 -0700 We have been waiting all day for this e-mail. We knew they were having bad weather and was worried about them. Vivian and Lyle Gudgell Patsy wrote: Hi All 30 30 S 178 47 W .....we are just opposite the Curtis Islands and coming on the Mc Donald Rocks. Speed is 7.1 knots; heading is about true North. The weather today is high clouds and moderate seas. 513 miles into the trip, so we are now half way there. We are motoring with the main, staysail and gib up; more for balance than anything, but they do add a knot. After lastnight and all that wind, there is none to be found now. Yesterday, we lost a day crossing the date line and as far as I was concerned we could of totally lost it. Gale winds started Tuesday night and kept it up all night. Then Wednesday, it started gusting to 45 on the noise, very choppy seas with rollers breaking over the bow and continuing to the house itself. We were shut up tight inside and in our bunks. Dennis had came down sea sick the night before and could not shake it, so it was doubly bad for him. He put a patch behind his ear and he slept after that a lot, and needed every bit of it. This morning I woke to blue skies and Dennis sitting in the cockpit smiling, so we took a shower and changed our stinking clothes and all is right with the world again. We even ate a banana to celebrate, first solid food in two days. Lyle, your new treadmill sounds great, but I think Vivian got all the exercise putting it together, Enjoy it, but now with the weather improving at home you can get out and do your walking. God Bless and Take care of Each Other Love Dennis and Patsy Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Bob Gudgel" Subject: RE: NEW E MAIL ADDRESS Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:44:19 -0700 Hello, All Cousins, We have a new e-mail address now. It is: vgudgell@starband.net We put in a satellite system yesterday. We will have both addresses in use for a few days until we are sure all the bugs are out of the new system. Hope to hear from you soon!!!! Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:49:52 -0700 From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Bob Gudgel" Subject: RE: NEW E MAIL ADDRESS Hello, All Cousins, We have a new e-mail address now. It is: vgudgell@starband.net We put in a satellite system yesterday. We will have both addresses in use for a few days until we are sure all the bugs are out of the new system. Hope to hear from you soon!!!! Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: 4th letter from the Harrier Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 08:55:19 -0700 Hi Cousins, I'm calling this the 4th letter from aboard the Harrier, because I can't figure out which day it was written. I think Patsy has the international date line in the wrong location. According to my world globe, the date line makes a curve around NZ and Tonga and then back on the 180 degree line again. They are sailing north along the 177 degree line. I got two letters this morning at 1:42 a.m. so I will send two today. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Patsy wrote: Good Evening, As I type this the time is 09:52, Dennis is trying to get me on Greenwich time. We had a free day [ I guess we will lose it when we go into Australian waters next year ] to us today is Friday, but to you, it is Thursday and now we have to relearn that it is Thursday to us also., We are now the same day as you, but I think the Tonga time is just one hour ahead of N.Z. time; another thing to think about. Peter [ our friend and yacht broker] told us about some sea sick pills called the Piahia Bomb, they have worked well for us both before. Take the orange and white one an hour before travel and one [ a caffeine one] an hour later. I think I heard Dennis say that it was sacalamean or something like that.. We both took them, so I was surprised when Dennis' tummy started acting up on the second day out. We had both taken our second day course. Dennis started doing a patch that is absorbed right into the skin, but that just started to work late last night. I threw up once, and I think that was because after 24 hours of the boat being closed up and Dennis so sick all that time that it got the best of me. I feel fine. We bought three bottles of those pills and I am glad, and now we will get a good supply of the patches to help Dennis. Dennis has slept and is sleeping as he was very weak, totally unlike himself. He put the main up to stabilize Harrier and crawled into the quarter berth about four hours ago and we motor on at 6.4 knots. Take care of your hip, don't over do it. Your new dish sounds great and a lot easier. 150 more channels, Now if the screen splits into quarters, dad can watch different golf games all at one time. Our t.v. is just 12 inch wide, but it is what they call Pall compatible, means it will work in the islands and it has a cassette player with it for tapes. We are starting to roll some so had better close this thing down and put the bungee back over it before it slides off the nav station. No e-mail and I would be lost. bye for now...... Friday afternoon, No wind and we are motoring again, are as always. Dennis ate a 1/2 bowl of oatmeal with apples this morning and said his tummy liked it, so he is on the mend. We have a good radar and we turn the five mile alarm on at night. I have been reading about Tonga and letting Dennis get his strength back. He usually wakes up around one or so and takes over, but he is able to catnap and this helps him. Bye Dennis and Patsy Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: 5th letter from The Harrier Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:11:57 -0700 Hi everybody, Here is the second letter we got today from Dennis and Patsy. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Patsy wrote: Friday, Tonga day 27 00 S 177 37 W speed about 4 kt. 725 into the trip. We are tracking just about N W true. Sorry, there was no message sent out yesterday, but we were doing good just to keep to our bunks . Today we have been in three squalls and two storms with up to 50 mph winds, all of them on the noise. I am razzing Dennis about this 'ideal cruise' he said we were gong to have. Harrier takes water over the bow and our living room hatch is a fish bowl. I do get a little up tight when the waves break over the kitchen windows though, and I can't open it for ventilation. "Honey, we will put the sails up and stay on one tack all the time with clear blue skies and light seas". He wanted nothing but the best for this trip, but it just wasn't meant to be. After this last storm we went through, there is a promise of blue skies ahead of us, It may be off to the left of where we wanted to go, Minerva Reef, but for now, we will take it. All is well on board, good night Love Dennis and Patsy Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: NEW E MAIL ADDRESS Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:15:54 -0700 Hi cousins, Just in case you didn't get notified here is our new e-mail address: vgudgell@starband.net We have gone on a satellite system that should be better than the old phone line access. We shall see! Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: the 6th letter from the Harrier Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:00:20 -0700 Here is the next installment from Dennis and Patsy . Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Patsy wrote: Dear Lyle and 'Vivian, Here we are under a red sky sun set, Dennis said this morning that this is what sailing in the South Pacific should be like. Then he threw up his fresh fruit salad and went to bed. He feels like he is fighting a cold along with the sea sickness so is getting hit with a double wammie, but he asked for macaroni and cheese for dinner [we haven't had an evening meal since we left Opua, crackers, butter, WATER and fruit} How do you like your new system??? I figured up what all this electronic stuff [ new icom radio, and that weird looking satellite device on the radar arch and the software package that we needed to operate it with] on this boat cost us to get e-mail and the weather fax, and we could have lived for about 9 months on it in New Zealand. But I wanted to be able to keep in touch with all the family and of course the weather information is important. Night time is coming and the moon is in the last quarter; sure have enjoyed sailing by moon light, whenever we could see it. I think so far we have been through seven storms and about five squalls and we have 380 miles to go. Right now we just crossed over the top of a volcano that erupted in 1998 and sunk . Our fuel is down to about 60 liters in the fuel tank and maybe about 10 liters in the day tank. We are saving that in case we have another storm front to power through. Other wise we would turn on the engine and be there in two days. O well, this is a sail boat, Right? The radio check-in is in about half an hour. That is where we hear about the other 3 boats that are still ahead of us, but we are gaining on one, as she has broken a steerrod(?) and can't put much sail up, Love You, Dennis and Patsy Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: 7th letter from the Harier Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:04:55 -0700 Hi Everyone, We got two letters this morning from Dennis and Patsy aboard the Harrier. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Patsy wrote: Hi All, 28 18 S 177 01 W speed is 4.5 knots, 871 nautical miles and 270 nm to go. our average daily log is 110 to 120 miles Our first week at sea, we have weathered several storms, two with up to force 50 winds and seas that completely covered Harrier. The squalls were an excitement in themselves with the waves that didn't know where they were suppose to go and decided just to hit on us for the heck of it. Now I know what it is like to be inside of a blender. Today we sailed over the top of a volcano that erupted in 1998 and then sunk again. The seas are full of mysteries. We have a wonderful yacht, She is long,sleek and strong, built with much love, to sail the world, and we have started. All's well on board Love Dennis and Patsy Gudgell Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Homer Darwin Gudgell and Emma Gudgell Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:51:04 -0700 Hi Cousins, It seems like ages ago but to get back to Ellis Island Gudgells.. Bob wrote: Speaking of Gudgells, I had seen that Ellis Island records are now online and searched for Gudgel(l) and found two. I thought I had heard of this on the Gudgel list, but searched the archives and didn't see it listed The site is http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ One is Emma Gudgell, arrived march 10th 1922 from Cristobal, Canal Zone, Panama, was 31 years old, married, and arrived on the St. Mihel. The other is Homer Darwin Gudgell, from Liverpool England, arrived on the ship Philadelphia, was 19 years old and single. At the bottom of each record, it says "*This passenger is a U.S. citizen". I guess that means they just came back from visiting then. I didn't know that US citizens came this route as well as foreigners. Kind of neat stuff. I originally searched for "Gudgel", then clicked on "alternate spellings only" and got these two. boB ----------- From Vivian Gudgell ---------------- Bob, The Homer Darwin you found is Lyle's uncle, son of Charles Thornton, son of Milton, son of Mahlon, son of Daniel. Did you get the date that he entered the US? He was in the Navy and we have post cards from him from all over. I think that Emma is one of ours ,too, as we have a picture of an Emma in Panama. I'll look up the pictures after lunch. You have it correct about the sail mail that Dennis uses. Vivian Now, it is me again, vivian I looked up the post cards I have from Homer sent to his sister, Mary, from the Great Lakes Naval Center, Feb.1917. Then I have another postcard sent to his mother on Mar. 1921, telling her he was out of the Navy now. So, it looks like he enlisted for four years. I don't understand why he would come into Ellis Island aboard the Philadelphia in 1918 when he was still in the Navy. Maybe, he was coming home on leave or something. The Emma Gudgell mentioned was William McKinley Gudgell's first wife. William was Homer's brother, s/o Charles Thornton, s/o Milton, s/o Mahlon, s/o Daniel. Lois Gudgell Miller says she has a letter from Emma written to her mother-in-law, Mrs. Charles Thornton Gudgell. So, that solves that mystery! Vivian Gudgell From: Jckwll@cs.com Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 04:26:49 EDT Subject: Wallis/Gudgel Ancestors. Hello to all: I heard from another researcher. Sue Wallace Burkhart, in Princeton, IN. She says that she has sympathy for me in doing the Wallace (Wallis) research as this is a very frustrating job to put it mildly. She said to begin with you have do the Gudgel family tree to sort it out. I thought if that is all it takes, then I have an edge knowing some great Gudgel Researchers. She tells me that my John M. Gudgel is the son of Andrew Gudgel, the grandson of Old Andrew Gudgel. There are three Andrews, the grandfather, the son and the grandson. She doesn't give me a date of birth or death for John, which I was hoping she would have. Old Andrew had three wives and 19 children, she says. The one that concerns Bill is the third wife, Elizabeth (Betsy) Paul Payne (Paine, Pane, Payne). He apparently married her when he was 66 years old. They had three children, Nancy, Hester, and William. William married Lucinda Thurman and they had 11 children, of which John M. was the eighth child born. John married Nancy Witherspoon, the parents of Malissa, the fifth child of 13 children. So this is what information I got from her. I got more on the Wallace's but haven't sorted it out yet. She said she had not done much on her rearch in about 4 years as it was consumning her life - so that was about all she had time to do. She has most of it packed in boxes and said she would try to sort some more of it out at a later time. She had dates of birth and death on most of the people she gave me the names of and also cemetery records, etc. When I sort his information out in my mind and get it put together in a fashion that I understand, I will pass it on to you and you can help me make some sense of it, if you would be so kind. Thanks so much for all the help that all of you have been in my research - Putting up with such a novice takes a lot of patience and I appreciate it very much. Talk to you later. I am really enjoying the day by day reports of the Harrier's travels. This is so interesting - Dennis and Patsy are so brave to do this sailing with only the two of them - no ship hands to help. I am praying for them - that ocean is mighty big and can be treacherous and so much can happen out there. Fondly, Joan Cook Wallis Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: anyone know this person on this list? and Vivian's message I just received an automatic error message (a few actually) saying that marcitamorris@yahoo.com is over quota on their email inbox and after 4 tries, and they have been dropped from the distribution list. If anyone knows another way to get a hold of Marci, you might let her know so she can be added back on the list. Her mail box is just full I'm sure. Vivian, thanks for the fill on the Ellis Islander Gudgells. I kind of like a mystery as well as the next, but I guess we need to figure these things out. I am enjoying reading the sailing stories too. boB Everett WA. From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: 8th letter from Harrier Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:11:36 -0700 Good morning Everyone, Here is a letter we received early this a.m. and notice who wrote it, DENNIS. He must be feeling better, now that the sun is shining! Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Dennis Wrote: Lat 22 10S Lon 176 05 W Approach to Ata Island This daybreak opened with blue sky and light winds from the south. I woke Patsy from her nights rest by shutting down the engine that had pushed us over 50nm in the dark. We travel at night with the Radar on and set with a "Guard Ring" of 5nm, anything (ship, squall etc) crossing the 5nm boundary will trigger an alarm. This allows us to get some pretty good rest I set the spinnaker and we drifted off in about 4-5 KN of breeze. On the horizon is Ata Island. Ata is formally a part of Tonga but due to its remote nature, it is overlooked by all but a few passing yachts each year. We drew close to the island around 2pm. I had diverted our course and put out the fishing lines in the hope of catching a fresh fish dinner. Ata island was spectacular. The northern approach was a sheer cliff towering over a 1000' above the pounding sea below. 1/4 mile off shore, there is a towering finger-like spire painted white with bird droppings. Gannets had been circling the boat all day looking at the lures. Above the cliffs we could see a forest of trees interspersed with Palms. On the cliff edges we could see the Gannet rookery sites dug fresh into the red earth. I had a 30 min battle with a really big Dorado and lost. Just as we got him to the boat the hook pulled out and off he went. I haven't experienced that much power in a fish in a long time. After changing sail to the Tri-radial spinnaker, a reaching sail made of light blue nylon for work off the wind, our speed is now up to 6kt as the daylight disappears into the night. With the SSB radio tuned to the local Tonga station, the Moon will soon be coming over the horizon. Tonga Tomorrow Good Night Dennis Patsy Tomorrow is my clean house day as we will be reaching Tonga, all the other boats have landed and the customs officers have returned to Nuku'alofa, that is the same as our 'capital', as the King lives there. All the rally boats were to meet at the Royal Sunset Yacht club two hours before the capital to be checked in there by customs and immigration. But with all the other boats already in, they don't want to wait for little old us. That's all right we can find our way. Since we were going to be late anyway, we went about ten miles out of our way to our first Island, " Ata' Island, which looks like a part of an old volcano and really rugged. Dennis hooked a Dorado as we sailed by; about a fifty pounder but just as he got it to the boat, it slipped the lure. Dennis was disappointed, tried two more sweeps but no luck. We talked to the skid operator lastnight and he said that the date was the same as NZ, just the time was an hour ahead. Dennis says to say he is sorry. (Dennis thought they had crossed the international date line, and I told them I didn't think so-vg) Dennis is worried about overloading the system and then having sail mail kick us off, so " No" to giving out our address. Yes to ..... dgudgell@hotmail.com .... we can answer them from a store or a internet cafe. Yes I read in the Tonga travel book that they do have an internet cafe. ( I had been asked by some gudgel-list members if they could write to Dennis and Patsy. They are limited to 10 minutes a day on sailmail, but they have a dial up address that they access when they are on land. You can use that address, if you like.---vg) Bye for now Love You, Dennis and Patsy From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: 9th letter from Harrier Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:23:02 -0700 Hello everyone, Here is another letter from 'Harrier'. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Patsy wrote: 21 08 South 175 10 West and that is the location of the Flower Bowl Harbor in Nuku'alofa the Kingdom of Tonga....Yes we have finished our 1168 mile trip, We are here\!!!!!!! Last night was real rolly and we had another sail boat off our starboard front quarter about 3 1/2 miles away. I started and finished a book, the boat rocked like a rollercoaster, and Dennis slept like a baby. About seven thirty, Dennis spotted some little dots on the horizon and they kept getting bigger and became palm trees. After five hours of travel we made the marina. Harrier is tied up and we are awaiting customs. The rest of the yachts that arrived days ago, all came out to greet us and see us in; nice to see other people. I can tell we are going to need to rent bicycles as I see alot of road, and we sure can use the exercise. We are going to have a great time exploring. Thank You for all your prayers, keep them coming as the Ha'apai Group is next. and then the Samoa Islands. First time since last Monday that I can take a nap without a 75 h.p. Ford tractor diesel engine running at 600 to 1000 rpm four feet from my head, YES, you can sleep by them. Here comes the customs official, so will close for now Later....... We are tied up in Nuku'alofa in the Kingdom of Tonga. LAND!! We can use all the prayers and support that we can get and we thank them for thinking of us. Enjoyed reading the comments from the family, please be sure to thank them for us. We have just completed clearance and have the freedom to visit all of the island groups. Love You, Dennis and Patsy Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: Answers to Dianne-H Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 06:33:00 -0700 Goodmorning, Dianne asked: Vivian, Can you tell us what this group is that the kids are traveling with (sort of)? And why were they in New Zealand to begin with--working, traveling, buying the boat? And where did they learn to sail? Dianne G-H Vivian answers: If you remember I told you that Lyle had heart surgery a year ago this month. Dennis and Patsy came from his job in Arizona, to stay six weeks with us until we got Lyle stabilized. Dennis decided that life is too short to work all the time without doing the things he had dreamed about all his life. So, he finished up his job and flew away to NZ. The exchange rate is very favorable now between NZ dollars and US dollars. So he could afford to buy a 44 ft. steel hull sailboat there. Dennis had crewed on some sailboat races in prior years. A couple years ago, he crewed on the Victoria to Maori race. He and Patsy took navigation classes, too. So, Dennis has had some experience on the water. The yacht club that they talk about was some boaters that they met after they got to NZ. Dennis and Pat make friends easily and were accepted into the group. They were already there, when the individual sailboats came into Opua to wait out the hurricane season. Dennis was always on hand to greet the newcomers. Does that answer your questions? Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Answers to Dianne-H Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:38:37 -0500 Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com What super reading this morning Vivian! It's so fun to eaves-drop on our fascinating cousins! Dennis and Patsy are so wise to take the time now for adventure! It will enrich their future lives. -jennette gudgel From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: 10th letter from Harrier Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:57:12 -0700 Hello, everyone, Here is one more letter from Dennis and Patsy. I don't know how many more of these boB will let me send. I don't want to overdo my welcome. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Patsy wrote: Tonga weather is terrific, about 75 with warm breezes and lots of sunshine. The cruising club all got together lastnight to talk about our crossing and our plans for the rest of the summer. Dennis has been promising me a lobster dinner, so that was our treat to ourselves. Two lobster dinners with extra large salad and appetizers of pizza French bread, my two cokes and Dennis' two beers, came to Tonga $53.00 ; U.S. $23.50. Yes we can live here. We called it quits about 10:30, returned to the dingy and came back to Harrier, and our first night of sleep that wasn't in our quarter berths surrounded by pillows to keep us from thrashing into the sides and coming out black and blue. Back to our nice double berth and it wasn't even moving! Dennis was up with the sun and shaking me, "are you asleep honey?" Then he took my pillow away and said, " there is fresh pa pa and bananas for breakfast, get up and enjoy the sun rise. HUGGGGGGGGGGGGG" Walked to the fish market and what a display of colors and shapes. Orange , yellow, three shades of blue and some of the fish were only two inches wide but a foot in length. Lobster was $10.00 a kilo { 2 1/2 pounds } clams about $2.00 a bag of 50. We do like sea food, it is cheap here and we will enjoy it. MOM..... please don't send any more mail here as we are leaving about Tuesday and will be working our way up to Vava' u We will be about two or three weeks doing this as there are a lot of little bays that we want to explore. Love Dennis and Pat ================================================== From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Sherrill Hinkle" Subject: Re: Answer to Sherrill Hinkle Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:40:57 -0700 Hello, Sherrill, Thank you for expressing your appreciation for the Harrier letters. I copied and pasted some of the comments I received from the Gudgel-list members, and sent them out to Dennis and Patsy. They were pleased that so many of you enjoyed their trip with them. Sherrill, I don't recall seeing your line of Gudgel descent posted on the Gudgel-list. Are you new to the list? or maybe I just missed it. I would be interested to know from which one of old Andrew's sons you descended. Let's hear more from you! Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "ron woodfill" Subject: Re: Woodfield in bondage Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:32:10 -0700 Hi, All Capt. DGS asked: Vivian, Would you look up Woodfield in your bondage book and see if anything appears? Thanks captron DGS Vivian answered: SQS=sentenced to transportation at quarter session LC=Landing certificate Md=Maryland Sy=Surrey (county in which sentenced) T=transported O=Oxfordshire (county in which sentenced) R=Reprieved for Transportation Woodfield, Jane of St. George,Southwark. Widow. SQS Feb. T 14 yrs. Apr. 1771 'THORNTON'. Sy Woodfield,John. T Oct 1722 'FORWARD'. LC, Md. June 1723. Sy. Maria of St. Saviour, Southwark. SQS, Feb. T.Apr. 1771 'THORNTON'. Sy. Thomas. R for Va. Oct. 1670. O.. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:43:38 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Vivian Gudgell CC: ron woodfill , Gudgel-list Subject: Re: Woodfield in bondage To get a full understanding of the history of bondage (slavery) read the book "They Were White and They were Slaves" by Michael Hoffman II. A fascinating look at it's history and how it effected America and England. Doyal Gudgel Vivian Gudgell wrote: > > Hi, All > Capt. DGS asked: > > Vivian, > Would you look up Woodfield in your bondage book and see if > anything appears? etc... Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:38:29 -0400 From: ron woodfill Subject: woodfield bondage The reason I ask about the bondage is the verbal history of Daniel and Gabriel Woodfield /Woodfill says that they and a sister were put in bondage to a family by the name of Metzger after there mother died about 1760 and a new wife (one of three) did not want the kids. They were not happy and broke bondage and walked across Pennsylvania to join there brother Joseph and another sister who were put in bondage to Andrew Godshall. Al three of the brothers married Godshall sisters and all of the Woodfills decend from those three brothers. I strongly believe that the reason that the family name was changed from Woodfield to Woodfill was the bondage of Daniel and Gabriel. Can anyone shed some light on this subject? captron DGS From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "ron woodfill" Subject: Re: Geneology Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:24:43 -0700 Ron, The Title of the ILL book that I have is "The Complete Book of Emigrants in Bondage 1614-1775" by Peter Wilson Coldham. This book gives the names of prisoners released from the English prisons to be transported to America to supply the Colonies with labor. I don't think your children would be found in the list of people in this book. Sometimes, orphans were shipped to America from England and put in bondage to the ship's master until he could sell them for their passage money to a colonist. But didn't these children's mother died in this country? Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron woodfill" To: Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: Geneology > Vivian, > Would you look up Woodfield in your bondage book and see if anything appears? > Thanks > captron DGS > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Kentucky Wedding Is Now History Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:25:24 -0400 Hi Folks- Well, the wedding is now over and Linda is recuperating. What a wonderful wedding it was. Flawless and Elegant are the two best words I can use to describe it. We were very blessed with good help and wonderful weather. And now we have another name to add to our branch of the family tree. My youngest daughter, Carrie Whitney Finnell, married Brian Sherwood Spellman on May 19, 2001 in Woodford Co., KY. And it was a fairy-tale wedding after nearly an eight year courtship. Carrie is 22 and Brian is 24. They both finished college and what more could we ask for? They leave on their honeymoon tomorrow from Cincinnati and fly straight thru to Adventura Palace Resort, in Adventura, on the Mayan Riveria about 50 miles south of Cancun, Mexico. They say it is a new resort that is absolutely wonderful. I hope I got that right. The wedding was held at our home church, Versailles Baptist Church, here in Woodford Co. and the reception was held at the Kentucky History Museum in Frankfort, KY (about 14 miles from Versailles. It was a fabulous place for a wedding reception. So a stretch limo was waiting to take the newly weds from the church to the reception site and it was everything we could have hoped for. I am still letting down from being "wired" for so long. It was wonderful but I don't want to do this again for a long while. (Hope oldest one will wait a while!). It will be nice to get my house and everday living back to normal (if there is such a thing). We are going to dog-sit for the newlyweds while they are gone so we will have a one-year old basset hound named "Cassie" staying with us this week. It will be nice to get back to some genealogy work soon. I have read all the messages from the Harrier that Vivian has been sending to the list and I feel like I have been riding along with this brave couple. What a wonderful experience that must be. You have to remember that in Kentucky we are very land-locked so I didn't understand some of the terminology but figured out most of it. We really have no large areas of water here other than lakes and rivers. My brother, Sam GUDGEL, from Fitchburg, MA is here. It's been wonderful to have him here through all this. My brother, Windy, from Moorehaven, FL wasn't able to come : ( So, give me a few days to re-coup and I'll be back in the loop soon. Tomorrow is a day of returning rentals, etc. Will talk to you soon. >From Linda, in Kentucky From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Sherrill Hinkle" Subject: RE; Shelby G. Gudgel Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:15:38 -0700 Hi Sherrill, The only Shelby G. that I have is a s/o John Gudgel and Mary Green, s/o John Gudgell and Jean Harbison, s/o Andrew Sr and Barbry (Hock?), s/o Frederick and Anna Maria Godshall(Gudgel). I don't have any children for Shelby G. so, I don't know if there is a Morton or not in that line. Sherrill Hinkle wrote: Hi again! My sister sent the following---Sherrill Jane Gudgel D/O George William Gudgel S/O Morton Schuyler Gudgel S/O Shelby G. Gudgel This is all I have. Now is Andrew the Father of Shelby maybe? Keep the Harrier letters coming! Sherrill Gudgel Hinkle ---------------------------------------------------- Maybe someone out there can fill in the blanks. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Morton Schuyler GUDGEL Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:58:47 -0400 Sherrill- Vivian has the line of descent correct on Morton Schuyler GUDGEL. Shelby Graylin GUDGEL (b.1841 IN, d. 1880) was married to Melissa Jane EARHART (b. 1842, d/ 1925). They married in 1866 in Jefferson Co., IN. Their children were: Della May-b. 1867 Franklin G.-b. 1870 Charles H.-b. 1871 Morton Schuyler -b. 1874 Please give us a little history on your lineage so that we can add this information to our databases. Thanks! Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Isaac Gudgell son of Daniel Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:57:15 -0700 Hello, cousins, I found this obit on the internet which gives some information on ISAAC s/o DANIEL GUDGELL. I don't believe anyone has any children listed for him. I have his two wives, NANCY HORMEL and SARAH SWINGLER. From this obit, you can get three children: SARAH b. 1833 d. Apr. 1880 m. CHARLES BLANCHARD CATHARINE m. ?THOMAS H.J. SWINGLER, the 1/2 brother (---ISAAC GUDGELL must have died in Jan. 1880, ten weeks before his daughter, SARAH, who died in Apr. 1880.------ I believe that MAHLON NEWBERN is the son of AMY GUDGELL NEWBERN, a daughter of DANIEL GUDGELL------vg) TAKEN FROM THE HENRY REPUBLICAN, HENRY, IL April 3, 1880 Hennepin - Mrs. Sarah Blanchard of Ottawa died suddenly on Friday evening last, at her home, aged about 47 years. She was a sister of Mrs. Catharine Thomas of Hennepin, and a half sister of H. J. Swindler of Magnolia, and a cousin of Mahlon Newbern of Henry, and wife of Charles Blanchard of Ottawa. Ten weeks ago Mrs. B. attended the funeral of her father Isaac Gudgel here in Hennepin. She was then and up to the moment of her death the very picture of health; she leaves many relatives and friends in and around Hennepin. Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: P.S. Correction Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:04:16 -0700 Ooops. That name is SWINDLER, not SWINGLER according to the obit. It is getting late here, I guess. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re:CHANGE OF ADDRESS Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:51:47 -0700 Hello, Everyone, The Starband address didn't work for us. Please use our original address: vgudgell@whidbey.net Sorry for the trouble. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Shelby G. GUDGEL Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:32:16 -0400 Connie and Sherrill- Can you give me more dates and locations on the following: George William GUDGEL (b. 9-23-1915 where?), married Clara Alta MONTROSS (born and died where?), married 5/3/1936 (where?). Dates of birth and location of their children? Geraldine Janette GUDGEL (b. 4-9-1920 (Where?) married Henry HARTBERG (born and died when/where?) January 12, 1936 (where?). Children? Mabel Grace GUDGEL (born 3-21-1904 (where?). Married April 12, 1946 (where?) to Kenneth JUDY (born and died when/where?). Children?? Where born and when? Hazel Faye GUDGEL (B. 10-1-1905, where?, d. 10-22-1983, where?). Married April 9, 1923 (where?) to Victor QUACKENBUSH (born/died, when/where?) Children? Born when/where? Mary Ruth GUDGEL (born 11-13-1912, where?). Married August 14, 1932 (where?), to Gilbert HASSELBRING (born/died. when/where?). Children? Born when/where? Thanks for any additional information you can give me. Linda from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Roy GUDGEL Scrapbook Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:33:30 -0400 Juanita GUDGEL DIORIO- Please send me your snail mail address. I am ready to send your scrapbook this week! Thanks, Linda From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:20:48 EDT Subject: DAR Info To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com I remember a reference about the Daughters of the American Revolution and Old Andrew's name engraved somewhere. Can anyone tell me more about this. Larry Gudgel Thanks From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:05:28 EDT Subject: Re: DAR Info To: GudgelDoc@cs.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Larry; The stone you are referring to is in Princeton, Indiana. I was there just a couple of days ago and took a couple of pictures which I will send along to Bob is a couple of days. It is a memorial to Revolutionary War veterans buried in Gibson County, IN. Although Andrew's name is on the Memorial, his name has been removed from the list of Revolutionary War patriots by the DAR. We are in Athens, IL now, but will be going back to Princeton (Owensville) tomorrow. If there is anything specific you would like me to check on there, let me know. We will just be there about three days and only one of those is a day when the libraries and Court House are open. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: Subject: DAR info. Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:08:51 -0400 Dave- I know you will be pressed for time in Princeton but if you have a resource to check while there I'd love to know if there was a Will for Elizabeth "Betsy" PAYNE GUDGEL, last wife of our old Andrew, Sr. Maybe even an estate inventory would help, an obituary, or anything. That's just been something I've wondered about. I'd love to know for sure what her maiden name was and who her first husband was. Also what became of her PAYNE children? Good Hunting! Linda Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 07:55:14 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Gudgeld@aol.com CC: GudgelDoc@cs.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: DAR Info Cousins: I had heard some time ago from one of you that the DAR had headstones made for a lot of Rev War-era people but that their research was not necessarily very thorough. So all the people they listed on the stones as having served in the war had not actually done so. Has anyone gone to the DAR to find out what information led them to believe that Old Andrew served in the Rev War? Or, for that matter, what they have at all about him? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Gudgeld@aol.com wrote: > Larry; > > The stone you are referring to is in Princeton, Indiana. I was Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:50:19 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: dianeh@corecom.net, gudgel list Subject: Re: DAR Info For entry into the DAR or SAR I am afraid you will have to look elsewhere. Old Andrew was about 50 by the time of the Revolutionary War and had quite a family. Probably into his second wife and family by then. You can be entitled to membership if your ancestor actively aided the Revolution but there is no evidence Andrew did so. Considering the fact that he appeared in Ky shortly after the conclusion it is not impossible he was running from the reaction against those who did not aid in the Revolution. So far that I have seen the record it is neutral on this point. The winners of that war were like the winners of other wars. There was a lot of personal scores to settle against those who did not work for the winning side. The winners took this opportunity to take their vengeance out against the losers. If you remember your history a lot of Loyalists ran to Louisiana and Canada because of this to escape. To mention just two place they escaped to. This is where tarring and feathering began. This continued on up past the Civil War and into the 20th century. The KKK did a lot of this. It is only my opinion but I feel Old Andrew could have immigrated to Kentucky to escape this situation. In those days you didn't just pile into the old limousine and hop onto the ye old freeway. Moving hundreds of miles was a major major operation and there had to be a very serious reason for moving this far. The time line is correct for this. But as I say it is just my opinion. Doyal Gudgel Dianne Holmes wrote: <> Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:03:23 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: DAR Info Cousins, My interest in knowing why the DAR put the headstone on Old Andrew's grave is to find out what THEY know about him that we don't. We all know that it isn't likely he participated in the Rev War and I am not interested in becoming a DAR member. I simply want the research that they did--if they indeed did very much. I know it was a mistake when they put that inscription on the stone that he was in the war. As far as Old Andrew "running away" to KY--if he did that, then so did thousands of others. I seriously doubt that was the reason. One would have to examine the reason why he moved to IN when he was in his 80s also and that certainly was not due to any war. Moving had more to do with staying with family or getting land in those days, and in part still does. A much better reason is that he had debts (according to his long record in the court files), his land title was not finalized until shortly before he then turned around and sold most of it (1788), and some friends and other members of his family or extended family (Daniel Gudgel?) had already gone to KY. I think we find that Daniel went to KY and then may have returned to PA. Daniel is still an enigma. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:50:16 -0400 From: ron woodfill Subject: Andrew leaving Pennsylvania I do not believe Andrew was force out of Pennsylvania. If he were I do not believe Daniel and Gabriel Woodfill would have gone with him. The reason he left as it has been handed down on my side of the family was the Dembo massacre. Most of the persecution that took place was not against the pacifist but the people who actively supported the British. If Andrew had serve in the war the likelihood would have been that he would have served with Sweenys volunteers along with Joseph Woodfield and there is no record of him serving with Sweenys volunteers. The story I understand is that the locals came up with a list a long time after the war and any one on that list was put on the plaque. captron DGS From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: DAR Info Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:11:48 -0400 Sorry I didn't send my response to Larry's question to the list this = a.m. =20 Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: GudgelDoc@cs.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:41 AM Subject: Re: DAR Info Hi Larry- Good to hear from you. Yes, this DAR thing is a problem to go through our old Andrew. He is = listed as a patriot on a monument at the courthouse in Gibson Co., IN = (Owensville) and his name was submitted as such to the DAR at one point. = The local DAR regent there said that at one time there was a rush to = get these names collected for DAR purposes and he is one of several = names who are now classified as "closed lines". It seems there was = insufficient data and his name was added without the proper = documentation. That's how I have understood it. It's ironic that this subject has come up at the moment because I am = going to apply for my DAR membership (hopefully this year) through 2 lines (one of the maternal = side and one on the paternal side). Just have to gather some documents and do it. Have been putting = it off a long time. My paternal side is though the family of Frances GRIFFEY GUDGEL (wife of = Jacob). Her father, Benjamin GRIFFEY, is the line I will go through. It has been documented = already and I just need to verify my information back to him. Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GudgelDoc@cs.com=20 To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net ; Gudgel-List@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: DAR Info I remember a reference about the Daughters of the American Revolution = and Old=20 Andrew's name engraved somewhere. Can anyone tell me more about this. = =20 Larry Gudgel=20 Thanks=20 From: "Stephen" To: , Cc: , Subject: Re: DAR Info Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:59:59 +0200 I remember a message from someone saying that the whole DAR thing was a = hoax that some family members had "invented" to qualify for membership. = I must have kept the message, but I tend to think what they said was = true, based on how it sounded at the time I read it. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dianne Holmes=20 Cousins:=20 I had heard some time ago from one of you that the DAR had headstones = made for a lot of Rev War-era people but that their research was not = <> From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:20:18 EDT Subject: Revolutionary War Memorial and "Betsy" To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com, lfinnell@lex.infi.net I just sent Bob the photo of the Revolutionary War Memorial in Princeton, Indiana and received a note back that he would put it right up so it should be available soon. Linda, I will see what I can find on "Betsy." That was a very long time ago and based on my past couple of trips to Princeton I am not very optimistic, but I will see what I can find. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: Letters from the Harrier Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:27:47 -0700 Hello to all, Thank you for expressing your interest in the messages from Dennis and Patsy aboard the Harrier. They are about to continue their trip to the next group of islands, and eventually end up in Australia. I don't think it is a good idea to bog down the Gudgel-list with any more letters, but since some of you have asked for them to continue, I'm going to set up a mail list just for the letters. So, if you want to be on the HARRIER list, please, send your e-mail address to vgudgell@whidbey.net, and I will add your name to my list. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Harrier list- second notice Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:40:41 -0700 May 29, 2001 Hello, Cousins, Just in case some of you missed my message before, I'm posting it again. I sent a copy of the latest Harrier message to 16 members this morning, and it will be no trouble to add your name to the list if you are interested. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell May 27,2001 Hello to all, Thank you for expressing your interest in the messages from Dennis and Patsy aboard the Harrier. They are about to continue their trip to the next group of islands, and eventually end up in Australia. I don't think it is a good idea to bog down the Gudgel-list with any more letters, but since some of you have asked for them to continue, I'm going to set up a mail list just for the letters. So, if you want to be on the HARRIER list, please, send your e-mail address to vgudgell@whidbey.net, and I will add your name to my list. Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Book on Franconia Twp. Pa. Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:16:39 -0700 Hello, Back in April, Mia Fleegel asked about this book. BTW where are you, Mia? We haven't heard from you for awhile. The book has an extensive list of Godshalks in the index, but none of them are named Frederick. There are Allebachs and Meyers and Oberholtzers and other names that we keep coming across in our research. I just got it yesterday for three weeks, so I have a lot of reading to do. It looks like it has a lot of history of the Franconia Mennonite church in it. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Mia wrote on Apr.23: History of the Mennonites of the Franconia Conference by John C. Wenger (Pub by the Franconia Mennonite Historical Society, Telford, PA 1937) Has anyone seen any of these? Mia From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: web site for research Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:39:06 -0700 Hello, everyone, I found a web site that has some good maps showing clickable maps of townships etc. You might find it useful. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm Vivian From: "Dick Bowen" Subject: BERT ALLEN GUDGEL FAMILY GEANOLOGY Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:36:57 -0700 Hello every one: I am the last living member of the BERT ALLEN GUDGEL family. My line is LUCILLE ELIZABETH GUDGEL.(BERT ALLEN, JOHN S., ABRAHAM, ABRAHAM "SR", ANDREW GUDGEL ) I have gathered all the data about my family, details from my memory & with my husbands help( hunt & peck on the computer) compiled 5 generations of Gudgel descendants starting with my Grandfather JOHN S. GUDGEL. It is 5 pages long & can be sent as an attachment. The Gudgel List wont take attachments. I am concerned about the recent mail- listing various information about my family, being gathered from public records and used incorrectly. This will possibly help. To receive a copy of my GUDGEL DESCENDANTS just send your Email address if you can receive attachments. RICHARD/LUCY BOWEN rcbowen1951@alumni.calpoly.edu Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. Bert Allen Gudgel Dick, Thanks for speaking up on the use, (or misuse), of info on your direct line. Now that you have stated that, and it's gone on record to the archive, we can use your own info to get things more on track. I, for one would love to have it at bgudgel@eskimo.com please. Many Gudgel(l)s (and others) sure lighten the load on this genealogy stuff. Thank you!! Your cybercousin (and real cousin!) Bob Gudgel Everett WA. Dick Bowen said: Hello every one: I am the last living member of the BERT ALLEN GUDGEL family. My line is LUCILLE ELIZABETH GUDGEL.(BERT ALLEN, JOHN S., ABRAHAM, ABRAHAM "SR", ANDREW GUDGEL) From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Gail Hohenberger" Subject: RE: genealogy Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:06:14 -0700 Hi, Gail, Thanks for answering; I'm glad you are enjoying the letters. Gail, I don't believe you have ever said who your gudgel(l) line is descended through. I would be interested to know a little about where you live and your family. Dennis and Patsy's letters have introduced me to several new cousins. I have 20 Gudgel-list members signed up to the Harrier-list, now. Let us hear more from you. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Fw: genealogy Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:36:28 -0700 Hello, Everyone, I received this answer from Gail Hohenberger and she said I could forward it to the gudgel-list, so here it is, together with the answer I returned to her. Maybe someone else can use this information, too, or add corrections if you find errors. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Hohenberger" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 4:00 PM Subject: Re: genealogy : This is as far as I can go with my line: : Kenneth Keith Gudgel and Mildred Opal Burns Gudgel : Clarence Gudgel and Nettie Mangus Gudgel : Allen Gudgel and Lydia Fitzpatrick : : My Dad, Kenneth, had brothers Charlie Marion, George Washington, John ?, and : Frank (who died at a young age) and one sister Julia Gudgel Pearson. He : grew up in Grayson County, Texas around the Texoma Region. He always said : that he grew up in Cedar Mills which was taken by Lake Texoma. He moved to : Honey Grove, Texas in 1950 and raised his family there. They moved to : Bonham, Texas after we were grown. Dad died in 1990 with colon cancer and : Mom died in 1995 with pancreatic cancer. I have a brother, Keith, who is a : veterinarian and lives in Temple, Tx; a sister Judy Winchester, who teaches : in Richardson ISD and lives in Allen, TX; a sister, Rita Powell, who retired : from SC Johnson this year and moved from Racine, WI to Olive Branch, : Mississippi. I live in Cooper, TX and teach high school math. My : husband, Harvey, is a school superintendent for Chisum ISD in Paris, TX. : We have 2 children, Chad and Mendy. Chad is a computer programmer and : works for Raytheon in Greenville, TX. He is married to Denicia who is the : counselor at Cooper High where I work. They have 2 children, Lani, 9, and : Blake, 5. Mendy is a system analyst for JC Penny Corp. She lives in : Commerce, TX and drives to Dallas to work 3 days a week and gets to work out : of her home the other 2 days. She is married to Vernon Kizer, who is a : foreman for Fox Jacobs Builders and they have a one year old daughter, : Sarah. Vernon also has an 8-year old son, Chase, who lives with them part : time. As a matter of fact, I have all of the grandkids now. I am keeping : them this summer while school is out. : I will be 48 years old in August and I am the youngest of the family. I : hope to retire in 4 more years. Hopefully, I can find the time to work on : genealogy after I retire. : : Vivian's answer: Hi, Gail, I can help you with your genealogy. I have had a family sheet for Clarence and Nettie Mangus filed under "unknown" for a long time. You have solved that mystery, so now I'll try to add some to your research. Kenneth Keith/Mildred Opal Burns s/o Clarence/Fannie Jeanette "Nettie" Mangus s/o Allen/Lydia Fitzpatrick s/o Andrew/Elizabeth Staples s/o John/Jean Harbison s/o Andrew Sr./Barbary (Hock?) s/o Frederick Godtschalk/Anna Marie . I have lots more siblings and some dates, too, if you want them. Would you mind if I forward your message and this answer to the Gudgel-list? There are others out there that will be glad to know you are part of their family. Oletta Hodges is one that I know of, and she lives in Texas, too. Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Gail hohenberger family line Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:03:14 -0700 Gail, I got these children of Allen Gudgel from the 1880 Census of Grayson Co. Tx. Allen was married twice. His first wife was Mary Ramage and second wife was Lydia Fitzpatrick. I have the children of Allen gudgel as follows( not sure which wife that they belong with) Lorrance born abt. 1868 in Illinois Minnie Estella born abt 1871 in Mo. married Wm. M. Henderson Lizza born abt. 1872 in Illinois. Clarrance born abt. 1875 in Illinois married Fannie Jeanette "Nettie" Mangus 20 Sep. 1896 in Cedar Mills Tx. Ottis born abt. 1877 in Texas. Charles born abt. 1879 in Texas. Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 07:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Allen Gudgel Good morning Vivian and Hello Gail. Allen Gudgel is a half-brother to my great grandfather, David Gudgel. He was married first to Mary Ramage, August 13, 1862 in Adams County, IL by A.W. Blakesley , Justice of the Peace. He was married second to Lydia Fitzpatrick on September 5, 1866 by Jas. O. Graves. These marriages are recorded in Adams County, IL - Marriage Book # 1. I live in Quincy, IL the county seat of Adans County. All of the children appear to be from his second wife, Lydia. I believe Mia Fleegel has put photos of the family and three brothers on the gudgel website. The three brothers are Marion, Calvin, and Allen. There were also two sisters , Rebecca and Eveline. Rebecca married Ezra Jessup and then William S. Peterson (25 Nov. 1877 by John Clingsmith MG - Adams County, IL Marriage Vol. III - page 108). She lived most of her married life in Adams County near Libery, IL. Eveline must have died sometime after the 1850 census and before the 1860 one. Another son , John, died of illness in the Civil War. Their father married at least 2 more times and had more children, including my great- grandfather. Oletta Henderson Hodge and Arlene Gudgel Back (both on the gudgel-list) descend from Allen and live in Texas. They may be able to provide you with more "Allen" information. Have a good day! Ardath Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Allen GUDGEL and Lydia FITZPATRICK Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:03:40 -0400 Thanks to Gail, Vivian and Ardath for bringing this line of GUDGEL's to our attention. You have all helped to fill in some blank spaces for me also. Can someone fill in a few more for me now? I need birth/death dates and locations for Allen and Lydia's children. Also-were all of these children by Lydia? I need death date and location of Allen GUDGEL. I need birth/death dates and location for Lydia. Does anyone have further information on the children/spouses of Allen and Lydia's children? (Lorrance, Minnie, Lizza Ottis and Charles? - I beleive we have the data on Clarence's line now). Thanks, Linda from Kentucky From: "Stephen" Subject: Re: Morton Schuyler GUDGEL Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:30:39 +0200 Dear Vivian, Linda, and all, I had sent this message weeks ago, but somehow it didn't go. If you already got it and it just doesn't show in my records, please not some updates, particularly in the date of death for Shelby Grafton. Re: your request for information from Sherrill Hinkle on her family. I think all this information is already there. When Sherrill wrote, I planned to send her what I had so she could send it to you, just in case, but had temporarily misplaced my file. Sherrill is my sister and so is Connie Phillips, who you have heard from many times. Our family information was originally gathered and put together by my first cousin Ron Gudgel, whom you'll recognize from his article in the Newsletter and by Mia, from our branch and whom you all know. But I am glad this came up, as there are some discrepancies and doubts. First of all, here is what I have from my Aunt Ruth, who died on December 31, 1999. She sent me this information in a letter about twenty years ago. I think it is important to consider, as I mentioned to Mia, because Aunt Ruth remembered her grandmother, Melissa, when she was a little girl, and Melissa always referred to her late husband as Grafton. Her records show his name as Shelby Grafton (not Graylin) Gudgel. And if it is true that he went by his middle name and not his first (as many in our part of the family have) then it is unlikely she would remember his name incorrectly. It isn't likely one would remember the name Graylin as Grafton. Furthermore, I believe Grafton was a more common name, certainly in that era. I asked Mia to look over her records again and see if she didn't think that was right. I know she has probably been busy with other details and hasn't gotten back to me on that yet. At any rate, I would like to change that record in our family files unless we have strong enough evidence to the contrary, as I believe this is the only case we know of someone who actually knew someone of that generation and talked to them. I also need to add that Aunt Ruth explained to me that after Grafton died, Melissa moved from Cincinnati, OH to Deputy, IN, with her children, due to a falling out with Grafton's brother over money from the hardware store they co-owned. So if they were married in Jefferson Co., IN, as Linda's records show, they had apparently moved back east to Cincinnati after that. According to what I understood from my aunt, all of my grandfather (Morton Schuyler)'s siblings and he were born in Cincinnati. I would like to find out who Grafton's brother was too and find where that branch of our family was and is, as they are our closest relatives. Does anyone out there know? So here is what I have from my aunt about her grandfather, her father's generation, and her generation. I will also give our generation again, just in case it is missing. Ron told me that Grafton (Shelby G.) was the son of John John Gudgel and Mary Green, son of John Gudgell and Jean Harbison, son of Andrew and Barbry (Hock?), son of Frederick and Anna Maria Godshall(Gudgel). Shelby Grafton Gudgel 27 Oct 1841- 03 Nov 1880 Melissa Jane Earhardt 9 Nov 1842 - 1925 married: 04 Jan 1866 children: Della Mae Gudgel 20 May 1867 c. (approx. 1955) Franklin G. Gudgel 5 Mar 1870 - 23 Aug 1870 Charles H. Gudgel 20 Nov 1871 Morton Schuyler Gudgel 07 Dec 1874 d. 4 Jan 1956 Della marrid John Dixon 27 Mar 1889 daughter: Xie Dixon 31 Jul 1892 Morton Gudgel and Effie Davis married: 27 May 1889 children: Ernest Shelby Gudgel 19 July 1901 Mabel Grace Gudgel 21 Mar 1904 Hazel Faye Gudgel 01 Oct 1905 d. 22 Oct. 83 Freeman Lester Gudgel 15 Oct 1909 Mary Ruth Gudgel 13 Nov 1912 d. 31 Dec. 1999 George William Gudgel 23 Sep 1915 d. Jan 1968 Geraldine Janette Gudgel 09 Apr 1920 d. 10 Apr. 1998 George W. Gudgel 23 Sep 1915 - Jan 1968, married Clara Alta Montross, b. 1 Nov 1918 children: Beverly Sandra Gudgel 7 Sep 1937 - 22 July 1998 Sherrill Jane Gudgel 31 Dec. 1938 Constance Ruth Gudgel 10 May 1940 Janet Sue Gudgel ??? 1945 - 1945 Stephen George Gudgel 22 Mar 1948 Clara Dianne Gudgel 1 Feb 1951 Edwin Bruce Gudgel 24 Oct 1952 Connie or Sherrill can supply the missing or correct death dates on the above and the marriage date of George and Clara. I also wanted to mention that my father's family was very musical. My father sang and played the guitar and all of his siblings sang and some played the piano or other instruments. I am not sure if this was more from my grandfather's side or from my grandmother's side. All of my siblings and I sing or sang too and are/were very involved in musical things. I wonder if this is typical of other Gudgel families. Any opinions? Stephen Gudgel Barcelona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Sent: martes 22 de mayo de 2001 4:58 Subject: Morton Schuyler GUDGEL > Sherrill- > > Vivian has the line of descent correct on Morton Schuyler GUDGEL. > > Shelby Graylin GUDGEL (b.1841 IN, d. 1880) was married to Melissa Jane > EARHART <> From: "connie Phillips" Subject: Fw: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:20:58 -0400 Vivian and Linda, Here's the info from Kathy Hasselbring, daughter- in Law of Mary Ruth = Hasselbring to finish that family.. Mary Ruth Hasselbring: born Deputy IN Nov. 13, 1912- died Grand Rapids, = MI, Dec. 31, 1999 Gilbert Alvin Hasselbring, b- Claytonville IL Nov.17, 1912 died June = 13, 1971 in Bourbonnais IL married Aug. 14, 1932 in Iroquois County--that's all it says and it was = not issued until 1967--they probably couldn't afford it--Rev. T.T. = Liddell married them one child: Charles Morton Hasselbring born in Stockland, IN Feb. 15, 1935; died May = 23, 1999 married Kathryn Horner Aug. 6, 1955 in Racine WI=20 Children of Chuck and Kathy Teresa Lynn Hasselbring Lenger born Nov. 17, 1957 Melissa Ann Hasselbring Gallup born Dec. 23, 1959 Charles Morton Hasselbring II born Sept. 26, 1963 Jennifer Jo Hasselbring Shride born March 23, 1970 Hope you are all doing fine. Kathy From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Stephen" Subject: Re: Shelby Grafton's brother Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:25:09 -0700 Hi Stephen, Thanks for filling in the blanks for me. You wondered who the brother of Shelby Grafton Gudgel was....I have the children of John gudgel and Mary Green and their birth dates that I calculated from the names and ages on an 1860 census. They are as follows: Shelby G. b. 27 Oct 1841 - 18 yrs. on the census America b. 1845 15 yrs, " Emaretta b. 1847 13 yrs. " Jane b. 1851 9 yrs. " Charles H. b. 1853 7 yrs. " Emily b. 1855 5 yrs. " Mary b. 1857 3yrs. " Theresa "Risa" b. 1859 1yr. " ( the 1850 census has a Sarah A. b. 1849, but she is not on the 1860 census.) As you see, Charles H. is the only brother. It's not much, but a start. Maybe someone else can add some more. I have John Gudgel b. 1816 d. after 1880, married Mary Green on 8 Jan 1834 or 5 Nov. 1840?? in Scott Co. Indiana. I don't know which date is the correct one. I suspect it was 1840, since Shelby was born in 1841. Mary Green b. abt. 1818, d. after 1880. John was son of John and Jean Harbison, son of Andrew Sr. and Barbary (Hock)? son of Frederick Godtshalk and Ann Mary. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Shelby Grafton's brother CORRECTION Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:01:28 -0700 Stephen, About that marriage date of 8 Jan 1834,.....I discovered that is the marriage date of Preston Gudgell and Ersilla Blake. Preston is the brother of John, and I copied the date incorrectly some time or other when I transferred the date from the father's family sheet to John and Mary Green's sheet. John and Mary Green were married on 5 Nov. 1840. Sorry, about that. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:37:10 -0700 From: Rex Back Subject: new address To all Gudgel cousins, I have a new address. rexbackus@yahoo.com Arlene Gudgel Back From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:02:57 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: genealogy To: vgudgell@whidbey.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com I believe this Allen was a brother to my gggrandfather Calvin and also a brother to Francis Marion Gudgel who settled in Nebraska. I have a picture of Allen, Calvin and Francis when they are older and there is the Picture of Calvin and Francis in their Civil War uniforms on the web page. Also "Nettie" was not her real name, I did this research last year while in Pottsboro Texas. I will have to look up Nettie's real name. I believe I have her Obit. Larry Gudgel Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:22:06 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: GudgelDoc@cs.com CC: vgudgell@whidbey.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fw: genealogy Larry, Have you sent a jpg file of that picture you mentioned to Bob Gudgel so we might get it posted to the Gudgel web site? I would like to see it. Dianne From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:44:05 EDT Subject: Allen GUDGEL To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com I have two allen Gudgel's from my research in Texas last summer. Both are listed in the Cedar Mills Cemetery near Pottsboro texas Allen Gudgel--March 23-1830 died Aug 9, 1913 and Allen Gudgel--June 23, 1842 died 12-28-1907 One of these is the brother of Calvin and Marion. Larry Gudgel From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:02:17 EDT Subject: Obit for Wanda (Gudgel) Harmon Wanda was my Aunt and recently passed away. Born "Wandeline" I believe. Anadarko Daily News March 8, 2001 Wanda Harmon Cordell (Okla)--A memorial service for Wanda Lee Harmon, 67, of Clinton (Okla) will be held at 2 pm Friday, March 9, 2001 in the Steverson Funeral Home Chapel in Anadarko with the Rev. Billly Harmon officiating. She was born Feb 21, 1934 on the family farm near (North East) Gracemont (Okla) to Lewis (Allen) and Gertrude (Holman) Gudgel and passed from this life Wednesday, March 7, 2001 in Clinton after a lengthy battle with Cancer. Preceding her in death were her parents; two brothers, (Olen) Dee and Luther Gudgel, and an infant daughter, Rhynoda Harmon. She always enjoyed being around people. She owned her own restaurant in Gracemont for several years. She was employed by TG&Y in Anadarko for several years before moving to Alice Texas in 1979. She then worked for Alamo Lumber until she was forced to retire due to her illness in Dec 1999. In January 2000, she moved to Cordell to spend her last days with her family. Survivors include her seven children, Randy Harmon and his wife, Marcia of Anadarko, Doni Duggan and her husband, Jim, of Cordell, Rhygonna Harmon of Kamay, Texas, Rick Harmon of Purcell, Ronnie Harmon and his wife, Shelly, of Anadarko, Rhonda Griffith and her husband, Mike of Cushing and Robert Harmon of Norman; 26 grandchildren, Angie, Jason, Shellie, Krista, Maranda, Andrea, Nathan, Ryan, Ricki, Erin, Chad, Glenna, Apryl, Derick, Christina, Mackenzie, Dustin, J.C,, Candace, Tyler, Darian, Trebor, Sooner, Kawner, Parker and Jacob; Eight Great-Grandchildren; two sisters, Geneva Mcglothlin and Winnie Anthony, both of Gracemont; many beloved nieces and nephews, and her companion of 23 years, Richard (Mac) McLeod. From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:05:31 EDT Subject: Gertrude Gudgel Inan answer to Dennis Reyes from some time ago. There were two Gertrude Gudgel's My Grandmother: Ethel Gertrude (Holman) Gudgel And one I turned up in a cemetery report as listed below: West Hill Cemetery: (near pottsboro Texas) lists a Gudgel, Gertrude S. 1879-1964 Sorry but this is all I know about her. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Wanda GUDGEL HARMON obit Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:47:43 -0400 Hi Larry- Thanks for the obit. Is this Wanda GUDGEL HARMON the grandaughter of Oscar Lewis GUDGEL (b. 1894 Cheyenne Wells, CO- d. 1979) and Dora SHERMAN? The only Lewis A. GUDGEL I have is their son, but I had no other data on him.. Can you give us a little more background on Wanda? I'm trying to place her in my information. Also, who was her HARMON husband? Thanks, Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , Subject: Re: Allen GUDGEL Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:31:35 -0700 Larry, On that birth date for Allen, 23 Mar. 1830, could it have been 1839 = instead? I have Allen's birthdate calculated from the 1850 census = Hancock co Il. when his age was supposed to be 11 years, born in March. = Marion was 17 years old and Calvin was 4yrs. on that census. =20 I know you can't always rely on the correct ages given on census = reports. I can't place the second Allen with a date of 1842, either. Vivian From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:14:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Allen GUDGEL Larry, I also have March 1839 as the date of Allen's birth. It is taken from the 1900 census, Grayson County TX. His wife, Lydia , or Lillie as listed in the 1900 census, was born in June, 1842. I believe the second 'Allen' that you found is the wife of Allen Gudgel Maybe some of the inscription had worn off the stone. Allen is also listed as 21 in the 1860 census of Kinderhook Township, Pike Co., IL - which indcates that he was probably born in 1839. Thank you for providing the birth and death dates. That is something that I did not have in my records. Ardath Potts From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:44:05 EDT Subject: Allen GUDGEL To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com I have two allen Gudgel's from my research in Texas last summer. Both are listed in the Cedar Mills Cemetery near Pottsboro texas Allen Gudgel--March 23-1830 died Aug 9, 1913 and Allen Gudgel--June 23, 1842 died 12-28-1907 One of these is the brother of Calvin and Marion. Larry Gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Hoosier Journal of Ancestry-GUDGEL entries Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:21:11 -0400 Hi Folks- Several years ago I subscribed to the Hoosier Journal of Ancestry which was put out by Naomi Keith Sexton of Little York, Indiana. I'm not sure what ever happened but the publications stopped coming and I'm not sure if it is even published now. Does anyone know? It was a wonderful little publication that was issued quarterly and each month Naomi featured several counties of records, etc. dealing mainly with southern and eastern Indiana. The ones I received covered a period from March, 1994 thru May, 1998. I thought I would enter some of the information that pertained to the GUDGEL's and related families. Volume 18-2, pg. 185 (WOODFILL's) The BRYANT family of Jefferson Co., IN in XVII-2=Hebron Cemetery page 135 and 136, Row 31, #4 Claretta B. WOODFILLE. Claretta was a BRYANT and a sister to my father Robert E. BRYANT. (he died 1978 bur. Crothersville Cemetery). Spelled Clara Etta, she married William WOODFILL. William was a brother to Samuel WOODFILL, the hero of WWI fame who killed single hand quit a few German soldiers. Clara Etta and William WOODFILL had 2 children: (1) Leona WOODFILL md. (a) Homer WINGHAM (had 2 childred, Eugene and Betty) and (b) Keith WAGGONER (had one dau., Eilene. Leona b. May 26, 1914. (2) Wilma WOODFILLE md a RODRIGUES, no issue. Leona, Keith and Wilma live near Freetown, Jackson Co., IN (Note) This goes on with the BRYANT line. If anyone needs more info-let me know). Volume 19-2, pg. 139 Order Book A, 1810-1819 John WOODFILL served on a jury for a case: State of Indiana vs. Samuel Glasgow, April, 1817. and another case in December, 1817: Benefield vs. Bebee. Another case: December,, 1817- Bebee vs. McCarty-Jurists were Stephen GUDGEL and John GUDGEL. Another case, December, 1817 Salyers vs. Sheets: Jurists were John WOODFILL and John GUDGEL. Volume 19.-1, pg 47: January 11, 1817 from the Indiana Republican newspaper, Jefferson Co., IN: Letters left at the Post Office: Daniel GUGIL Volume 19-1, pg. 42: Jefferson Co., IN, Order Book A, 1810-1819: The Sheriff levied lots with improvements in Lexington--included Stephen GUDGEL, Andrew STUCKER and Willis STUCKER. Volume 19-3, pg. 256: Scott Co., IN Deed Book A-May, 1820-March, 1827- September 20, 1817 Samuel Alexander to Isaac GUDGEL, both of Jefferson Co., IN. In lot #328 in Lexington. Witt: Jacob Thomas. I am sending a query to the Indiana Mail List to see if this publication is still active. Naomi's husband was having some health problems at one time so I am not sure if she had to quit her publication or what happened. The volumes were running late a lot but always worth the wait. It was well worth the money. Linda from Kentucky Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:57:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Allen Gudgel, Calvin-Marion and 1 fer Vivian FYI, the Gedcom file with Calvin and Marion Gudgel is on the gudgel web site from Victor Shackleton in: gudgshak.zip so I assume that Allen is in there too. As far as Gudgells go, a guy from work went to Missouri recently, and on his geneaology travels through Noel cemetary, (somewhere in the southeast corner of Mo.), he found a couple of Gudgells on the list. Well, I think he went to the cemetary anyway. Angie Gudgell Feb 17, 1910 - and on the same stone, (ssw) Kyle D. Aug 10, 1887 -- May 25, 1967 Maybe Angie's still around. I think the town is Noel. Or is it the county? Couldn't find it on the internet when we went looking. boB From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Willis Stucker Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:04:39 -0700 Hello, Cousins, Thanks Linda for posting the items about DANIEL, STEPHEN, JOHN GUDGEL, WILLIS STUCKER and ANDREW StUCKER.. We know you have a copy of the marriage bond for HENRY STUCKER and LYDIA ANN GUDGEL. This posting by Ron Stocker has bothered me for some time now. He seems to have the names of HENRY STUCKER's two wives mixed up, if this is the same HENRY STUCKER who married LYDIA ANN GUDGELL. With these names coupled together, it is another bit of evidence leading me to believe that it is the same HENRY STUCKER. I have copied the posting from Ron Stocker below: Re: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky Posted by: Ron Stocker Date: June 01, 2000 at 08:11:12 In Reply to: Stucker,Willis1789 Ky by Edith Hodge of 139 Edith- WILLIS STUCKER, SR. (5) was born in Kentucky in about 1789, the son of (4)HENRY STUCKER (b. 1766 probably in Berks County, Pa.) and his first wife, JANE GOTTSCHALL. By about 1772, Henry's father, (2)GEORGE STUCKER (b. 1733 in Berks County), and his uncle, (3)JACOB STUCKER (b. 1738 in Berks County), had moved their families to North Carolina, very near Old Salem. Five or six years later, George(2) and Jacob (3) moved their families to Kentucky, as part of a group of settlers led from North Carolina through the Cumberland Gap. George(2) and Jacob(3) were two of seven sons of (1)MICHAEL STOCKER (1700-1750), the original Palatine immigrant for this branch. In 1780, when Henry(4) was about 14 years old, his father(2) and Uncle Jake(3) were both killed by the Indians in Woodford County, Kentucky. In 1788, he married Jane Gottschall. It would appear from my records that they only had one child, to wit: Willis Stucker, Sr.(5). In 1796, Henry(4) married for the second time to LYDIA CHILDERS. She bore him ten (10) more children. It appears that Henry's first five (5) children were all born in Woodford County between 1789 and 1804. The youngest six (6) were all born in Jefferson County, Indiana. Ergo, it seems logical to conclude that Henry(4) and Lydia moved their family from Kentucky to Indiana between 1805 and 1808. Willis Stucker, Sr. (5) married MARGARET (Greta) STORM on 12/29/1808 in Clark County, Indiana. Greta was born about 1787. My records indicate that Willis and Greta had six (6) children, including sons WILLIS STUCKER, JR. (6), ANDREW JACKSON STUCKER (7) and JACOB S. STUCKER (8). Those boys were born in Jefferson County, Indiana, in 1815, 1816, and 1828, respectively. Willis, Jr. (6) got married in Jefferson County in 1838. So, apparently, the family was still in Indiana at that time. Greta Storm Stucker died in Stonefort, Illinois on 8/6/1854. Her husband [Willis, Sr. (5)] died there eleven years later. In between there, in 1861, Willis, Jr.(6) died in Schuyler, Illinois. I can only assume that this branch of the Stucker clan moved from Indiana to Illinois between 1838 and 1854. Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:54:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Kyle D. Gudgel I have this Kyle D. Gudgel as coming from the Daniel branch of the family: Daniel Gudgel & Rachel Gause Mahlon Gudgel & Charlotte Snodgrass William G. Gudgel & Mary Adaline Sharpless Harrison W. Gudgel & Clara B. Derbyshire Kyle D. Gudgel 1900 Federal Census Soundex Princeton Township Bureau County, Illinois v.6, ed.23, sh.7, l.49 GUDGELL, Harrison W. Head Nov. 1852 IL age 47 Clara B. wife May 1854 IL age 46 Elmer B. son July 1879 IL age 20 Kyle D. son Aug. 1887 IL age 17 Ray V. son Aug. 1894 IL age 5 Mia > > As far as Gudgells go, a guy from work went to Missouri recently, and on > his geneaology travels through Noel cemetary, (somewhere in the southeast <> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Hoosier Journal of Ancestry publication Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:19:16 -0400 This publication is still going! Not sure why I was never contacted. You may access this site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/incccpc/HoosierJournal.html They also offer a lot of special issues but to access the quarterly publication information you must scroll down to the bottom of the page. They cover 30 counties in Southeastern Indiana. As I said before--it's well worth the money and put together very well. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Angie Gudgell Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:23:05 -0700 Bob, I found Angie Gudgell's death date in the Social Security file. She died Feb. 1986, Noel, Mo. She probably is the wife of Kyle Gudgell since her name is on his tombstone. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: HARDY/GUDGELL connection Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:24:36 -0400 Hi Folks- Some while back I had found a reference to a HARDY/GUDGELL connection on the internet and it listed a book: HARDY and HARDIE by H.C. HARDY. I left a query in January on the Gen Forum HARDY/HARDIE page and yesterday I got this message from a Virginia Buckalew, who has the book and was nice enough to look it up for me: There are six GUDGELL's in the index: GUDGELL, Carl M., 1920 (all listed page 642) GUDGELL, Charlotte P., 1927 GUDGELL, Clara I., 1918 GUDGELL, Lester M., 1923 GUDGELL, Ray V., 1894 GUDGELL, Ruth A. (PALMER), 1896 Ray Verne GUDGELL b. 18 August 1894 married on 18 August 1916 to Ruth Alice PALMER b. 22 July 1896. Ruth's grandparents were Susan Catherine HARDY and Pemberton P. PALMER. Children of Ray and Ruth GUDGELL: Clara Irene, b. 12 March 1918 Carl Milton b. 21 February 1910 Lester Merl b. 14 April 1923 Charlotte Pauline, b. 3 August 1927 Does anyone know who/where this family is? I have sent Virginia a return message and asked if a location was given. Haven't heard from her yet. ********************************************************************** For those who know about small towns you know they have parades for lots of occasions and late this afternoon Versailles had a parade to open our week of the county fair. (Anyone remember going to a county fair?) Our local Historical Society had a float in the parade for the first time and we had such fun. We dressed up in costumes and sat in chairs and rockers on the wagon. Two ladies were using quilting hoops and rocking. Some were just talking, and I had my granite pan and dish towel. We all had on bonnets of different kinds and one gal had on a fancy black hat with a sheer scarf tied over it and under her chin. She was dressed all in black. The fella's were all decked out too. I had on a long chambray skirt, my grandmother's bonnet, a white blouse and an old apron that was my grandmothers. Anyway, I am here to tell you I don't know how our female ancestors stood the long sleeves, bonnets, pantaloons (no I didn't have any of these ), and all this other garb on in the summer time heat. It was so hot. I think most women died early from heat exhaustion. And no air conditioning!! Guess we are spoiled. It wasn't so bad when we got to moving through town, in fact it was really nice. But we had fun and they are already planning something for the Christmas parade. Just wanted to share this fun time with you guys. Linda from Kentucky From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Hardy Gudgel Connection Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:18:09 -0700 Linda. This is the same family that Bob started the research by posting Kyle and Angie Gudgell tombstone inscription in Noel cemetery, Mo. Kyle is s/o Harrison s/o William G. s/o Mahlon s/o Daniel. The Lester Merl on your list is a friend of Lyle's brother, Lester Albert Gudgell. Several years ago this Lester Merl Gudgell saw a sign that Lester Albert had nailed to a tree advertising tree cutting service. Out of curiosity, Lester Merl looked up Lyle's brother, Lester Albert, and they have kept in touch ever since. Lester Merl lives in Missouri. The Ray Verne on your list is his father. They are of the line going back to Daniel through William G. the brother of Milton, both s/o Mahlon. As you know Lyle's line is through Milton. Lois Gudgell Miller, Lyle's sister, is sending me a packet of material that Lester Merl's wife gave her a couple weeks ago. I'll know more when it arrives. In the meantime, maybe Lois will answer Linda's e-mail. She has met the people, when they were visiting Lester a couple weeks ago. It is a strange coincidence that their name keeps coming up this week from all different people. Vivian Lyle and Vivian gudgell Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:23:24 -0500 From: MAXWELL_HOWARD_H@Lilly.com Subject: Re: Hoosier Journal of Ancestry-GUDGEL entries To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Linda, I've gleaned much from "The Hoosier Journal of Ancestry" as well and I called my often-visited source, the Sullivan Museum, a small research library in Zionsville, Ind. and asked the curator, Mary Ann Doyle about the publication. She said it has been at least two years since she's received anything and she believes Naomi mailed out a notice to subscribers, apologizing for the delays and citing her ill health as a major factor. After that, there were a few more late issues -- then, nothing. It was a great publication, but I'm afraid it is no longer. Regards, Howard Maxwell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Cc: "Linda Finnell" Subject: Re: Lester Merl Gudgell Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:10:02 -0700 Linda , You asked where that family lived that was in the Hardie book. I got my packet of information from Lois Gudgell Miller this afternoon. It was given to Lois by Mildred, wife of Lester Merl Gudgell. Mildred and Lester live in Meadville, Missouri. Lyle's brother, Lester Albert Gudgell, got married again on the 1st of June, and these other Lester gudgells came to Illinois for the wedding. Lester Albert married a lady named Hilda B. Judd. You can add her to the family. I don't have her dates, yet. I have a lot of work to do to organize the material that Mildred gave us. I will be sharing with the Gudgel-list when I get it together. Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re:Daniel, Mahlon, Stephen, John Milton Descendents Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:24:43 -0700 Cousins This is part of the material from HELEN GUDGEL (Palmer) SITES, as given to Lester Merle Gudgel & Mildred, of Meadville, MO, then passed on to Lois Gudgell Miller. This is Helen's line of descent: Harrison Fremont Gudgel>John Milton>Stephen>Mahlon>Daniel. Helen said a niece in Columbus OH did most of the genealogy. She did not give her name. I don't know how much has been verified. Use at your own risk. Vivian 4JOHN MILTON Gudgel (>3Stephen>2Mahlon>1Daniel) b 29 June 1847 Dayton Oh. d 22 Mar 1947 Shenandoah, IA.. m Wilhelmina G. Larimore 2 Nov. 1867, Illinois 5EDWIN L Gudgel (>4John Milton>3Stephen>2Mahlon>1Daniel) b 11 Aug 1868,Bradford, Il. d. 8 July 1959 m Ida Jarman 29 Mar 1893 Shenandoah, IA.. 6Mildred May b. July 1902 d. 12 Dec. 1938 Akron, Oh. m. Carl Jesse 7 June 1921 Co. 5EDWIN L. Gudgel (same as above - 2nd marriage) m. Emma Campany 6Edwin gudgel b. 16 June 1914 d. 18 Feb. 1992 m. Dorothy Sherman 15 Jan. 1938 - b. 13 Feb 1917 6Edith Lucille Gudgel b. 1918 d. ? m. Delbert Jackson 22 June 1936 IA.. 5ALLEN GEORGE Gudgel (>4John Milton>3Stephen>2Mahlon>1Daniel) b. 13 Nov1875 d. 24 June 1913 m. Eva Cox 10 Feb. 1897 b. 24 Sep. 1875 d. 5 May 1966 6Earl Gudgel b. 2 Mar 1898 d. 8 Mar. 1992 m. Lillian M. Marrow 6Dale Leon Gudgel b. 31 Mar 1908 d. 16 Feb. 1987 m. Belva Marie Roberts 25 Dec. 1926 6Hazel Alameda Gudgel b. 23 Nov. 1902 d. 24 June 1913 5CHARLES HENRY Gudgel (4John Milton>3Stephen>2Mahlon>1Daniel) b. 3 Oct 1870 Bureau Co. Il. d. 3 Jan 1917 Fairbury NE. m. Cora Helena Johnson 8 Feb. 1898 b. 19 Jan 1876 Fremont Co. IA d. 18 June 1941 Fairbury NE 6Charlotte Gudgel b. 4 May 1896 Fremont co. IA d. 4 Apr 1989. m. Arthur Henry Alm 9 July 1915 Fairbury NE 6John William Gudgel b. 2 Aug 1901 Fairbury NE d. 26 Mar. 1994 Decatur TX. m. Dorothy McCune 4 Oct.1928 Crete, NE b. ? d. 7 Dec. 1960 6Clyde Laverne Gudgel b. 24 June 1903 d. 25 July 1992 m. Mary Alice Schnoor 14 Nov. 1940 CO. b. 1 Jan. 1906 d. 17 Oct. 1973 6Sarah Wilmina Gudgel b. 2 May 1905 d. 18 Apr.1994 CA m. Andrew Friesin 21 Jan. 1928 Bethany NE b. 4 Dec 1906 Jansen NE d. 23 June 1980 6Verna Alice Gudgel b. 19 May 1907 Fairbury NE d. ? m. Fred J. Bower 7 Sep. 1926 Fairbury, NE 6Charles Howard Gudgel b. 21 May 1910 Fairbury NE d. 12 Jan. 1984 Fairbury NE m. Gertrude Eula Martin 24 Jan 1942 York, SC b. 22 July 1906 Whitesville, NC. d. ? 6Harrison Fremont Gudgel b. 13 Aug 1884 Farragut, IA. d. 10 Nov. 1962 Shenandoah IA m. Alice Jordan 18 Apr. 1906 Riverton, IA b. 9 June 1888 d. 14 Jan 1969 . Riverton Cem. Riverton,IA 6Vera Leona Gudgel b. 14 Oct 1906 Farragut, IA d. (living in 1997) m. Harry Standage 20 Jan 1938 b. 20 Mar 1886 d. 25 Mar. 1949 Yorktown, IA 6Ona Laverne Gudgel b. 19 July 1912 Page Co. IA d. ( living in 1997) m. William Carson Brock Sr. 3 Jan 1931 Minneapolis MN b. 7 May 1900 Long Island NY d. May 1976 Melbourne FL m. Vern Shatto 1966 - b.? d. JUNE 1967 6HELEN LUCILLE GUDGEL b. 14 Feb 1914 Farragut IA d. (living in 1997 m. Guy Shelby Palmer 7 Oct 1932 Maryville, MO b. 25 Dec 1901 Benton IA d. 25 July 1976 Grants, NM m. Earl Sites 7 May 1983 6Alta Faye Gudgel b. 6 Mar 1920 Northboro, IA. d. (living in 1997) m. Chester Aden 11 May 1941 Sidney NE b. 12 Mar 1913 d. 18 Oct 1982 m. Raymond T. Smith 17 May 1986 Cappell NE b. 18 May 1905 d. 30 Sep. 1993 6Mabel Maxine Gudgel b. 13 Dec 1922 Northboro IA d. (living in 1997) m. Clyve Stout 17 Aug 1940 Sidney, NE b. 18 May 1915 Alvo, NE d. 29 Oct 1991 Osage Beach, MO 5BENJAMIN FR'KLIN Gudgel(4Jhn Milton>3Stephen>2Mahlon>1Daniel) b. 13 Aug 1884 Farragut IA d. 26 Oct 1951 Farragut, IA m. Verna Griffin 19 Dec 1906 Locust Grove IA 6Thelma Lucille Gudgel b. 5 Feb. 1907 d. 9 Oct 1994 5MABEL Gudgel b. 25 Nov 1889 d. 14 Sep 1969 Shenandoah IA m. Roy Edwards b. 12 Oct 1881 d. 15 Dec 1950 m. Jack Darnold 1937 6Virgil Edwards b. 9 Oct 1904 d. Feb. 1965 m. Etta Kirstner 6George Edwards b. 9 Feb 1906 d. 23 May 1977 m. Marie Breuhas - d. 17 Jan 1961 6Cletus Edwards b. 18 Aug 1908 d. 26 June 1969 m. Edith Barbara Mullis 6Lucille Edwards b. 11 July 1914 d. 1 Feb 1990 m. Marvin Parker To be continued------ Vivian Lyle and Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Daniel, Mahlon, Stephen, John Milton, Descendents CORRECTION Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:35:59 -0700 OOPs! On that genealogy list just posted, HARRISON FREMONT Gudgell should be generation 5, NOT 6 as typed. Please note the error, or you will have the kids going to the wrong family. I am very, very sorry! Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Daniel,Mahlon,Stephen, William W. Descendents Part 2 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:03:20 -0700 Cousins, Here is a continuation of HELEN LUCILLE GUDGEL (Palmer) SITES genealogy research. It begins with WILLIAM WOOD GUDGELL, the brother to JOHN MILTON GUDGEL. Vivian Gudgell 4 WILLIAM WOOD GUDGEL(>3Stephen>2Mahlon>1Daniel) b. 27 Aug 1851 Cincinnati, OH. d. 13 May 1934 Kangley, IL. m. Harriet Josephine Myer b. 27 Sep.1858 Princeton, IL. d. 23 May 1946 Streator, IL 5 NELLIE MARRILLA GUDGEL b. 15 Oct 1881 d. 1963 Streator, IL. m. Charles Dameron Helm b. 1880 d. 14 June 1944 Streator, IL. 6 Ralph William Helm b. 1 Oct 1903 Streator, IL. m. Vera Ambrose 6 Louise May Helm b. 29 Apr 1910 Streator, IL. d. ? m. Theodore Baiett b. 1904 d. 1976 5 CORA EDWINA GUDGEL b. 24 May 1885 Streator, IL. d. 7 Oct 1951 m. Arthur R. Studebaker 6 Chester Ray Studebaker b. 16 Sep.1906 Wilsman, IL. d. 30 May 1910 Medberry ND 6 Irma Josephine Studebaker b. 9 Feb 1908 Streator, IL. d. m. Fred Maves 6 Floyd Marvin Studebaker b. 3 May 1908/09 Medberry, ND 6 Ada Irene Studebaker b. 9 Jan.1911 Medberry, ND d. June 1991 m. Einar Fjellman 6 Milton Raymond Studebaker b. 15 Aug 1912 d. ? 6 Harriett May Studebaker b. 16 May 1914 Kangley, IL m. Clarence Carter abt. 1937 m. Walter Harlacher abt. 1932 5 HOMER RAYMOND GUDGEL b. 27 Sep. 1890 Streator, IL. d. 23 Oct 1957 Galesburg, IL. m. Elizabeth Jenny Bullock b. 1 May 1891 d. 19 Feb 1964 Streator, IL. 6 George Myer Gudgel b. 29 Aug 1915 Jenkins MN d. 19 Sep 1949 Streator, IL 6 Sophie Marie Gudgel b. 10 Jan 1920 Streator, IL. d. 23 May 1987 Streator, IL. m. Samuel John Zito b. 13 Jan 1916 d. 12 May 1974 6 Mildred Ann Gudgel b. 7 Oct 1929 Streator, IL. d. ? m. Ernest Lee McClure b. 19 Nov 1920 d. 3 June 1991 6 Elizabeth June Gudgel b. 16 June 1933 Streator, IL. 4 ESTELLA GUDGEL b. 25 Apr 1864 d. 21 Jan 1933 m. John Butcher 5 ROY BUTCHER 5 VIOLA BUTCHER m. Haultram 5 ? m. Kenneth Fenlon 5 MILDRED BUTCHER b. 7 Aug 1903 Streator, IL d. 13 Sep 1947 m. Ralph Longnecker, b. 2 Oct. 1896, d 1939 Streator, IL The end of part 2. Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Lines of Daniel GUDGEL Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:24:58 -0400 Many thanks to you, Vivian, for transcribing this information on the descendants of Daniel GUDGEL. I have been collecting information on Daniel's lines for many years and sure wish we could document his relationship to old Andrew. I think we all know and feel he is related but I have never found anything to verify it. Can anyone tell us for sure? To be able to make this connection would sure be a plus for all of us. Another thing I have been meaning to ask the list-- Seen on several sites on the internet is the marriage date and location of our old Andrew to his first wife, Catharine, as 1745 Bucks Co., PA. Can anyone tell me where this location and date came from? Also I have seen her date of birth as "abt. 1731 Bucks Co., PA". Where did this come from? She would have been about 14 when they married if these dates are correct. Just for the record--does anyone know where this information came from and why we haven't found it recorded or noted in old records? Lots of summer weather and rain in Kentucky these days! Linda Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 09:11:10 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Old Andrew and Catherine's marriage? Linda and all, I thought I knew the answer to your question about the marriage of Old Andrew and Catherine, but when I looked at the material that appears to have come from the Tohickon church records in Bucks Co, PA, I could not find it. I only find the baptism records of their children. Remember a few weeks or more ago we had some e-mail exchanges that led us to ponder if we shouldn't be looking in Berks? Co., PA for some of our early records? Has anyone done that? As I recall there was a library reference or two that one of you uncovered for the mid 1700s era where we found reference to some Gotshalls. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes in hot (for us) Anchorage From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: places of residence of Old Andrew Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:22:52 -0700 Linda and Dianne and all, I just took back an ILL book titled "History of the Mennonites" by D.K. Cassel, written in 1888. It was an original copy and falling apart. I don't know why they loaned it to me. Anyway, on page 240 is a chapter ' Perkasie, or Hilltown'. One paragraph reads : "About the year 1742 Germans from the province of Philadelphia commenced to buy these lands. Amongst the first Mennonite settlers who settled in the vicinity when the first meeting house was built was HENRY FUNK and Christian Lederach, in 1747; JOHN FUNK in 1748; ANDREW GODSHALL, in 1752; Valentine KRATZ, in 1748, and Hoopert CASSEL, 1758. Among the rest who settled about the same time, or soon after, were MOYERS, HIGH, Hunsberger, Kulp, Ricket, etc." I see on a map that I copied from the book, that Perkasie was bounded on the west by Tohickon Creek. According to Bean's "History of Montgomery County " (p. 827), In 1734, Franconia township contained 34 taxables and land-holders, mostly all Germans. Frederick GOTTSCHALCK was included in that list. Bean goes on to say that " Christian MEYER arrived in 1727, Jacob OBERHOLTZER in 1732. One of the first settlers of the township is said to have been CHRISTIAN FUNK....". Vivian Gudgell From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 14:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: places of residence of Old Andrew Vivian, Is that map that you copied out of the Mennonite book something we might want to post on the gudgel web site? boB From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Bob Gudgel" , Subject: Re: places of residence of Old Andrew Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 14:48:30 -0700 Bob, Yes, it came out of the book History of the Mennonites of the Franconia Conference by John C. Wenger (Pub by the Franconia Mennonite Historical Society, Telford, PA 1937) I can forward it to you, and you can take a look at it. I sent it to Dianne back on the 31 of May. I will forward that message on to you. Let me know if it needs any adjustments for you to use. I might need to trace over the names, so they can be read easier. Vivian From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The map on line The alleged map is online on the gudgel site at: ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bgudgel/gudgelphotos/franconia_map.jpg boB From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Shelby Graylin Gudgel civil war letters link... The Shelby Graylin Gudgel civil war letters link appears to not be working anymore. Anyone know where they are now? KW Ligget was the contact I think. thanks, Bob Everett, WA From: "connie Phillips" Cc: "Vivian Gudgell" , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Morton Schuyler GUDGEL Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 01:05:42 -0400 Dear Linda and Vivian and other cousins that wanted this info, Sorry to be so slow in getting the rest of this information on to you but I had it on here once and lost it all. I hope this is all correct and I have asked my cousin Ron Gudgel to check his files after he gets moved to see what I might have missed. I thought it would be easier to add to Stephen's letter with what I have so follow along below. I have marked all the new info with a *. > Shelby Grafton Gudgel 27 Oct 1841- 03 Nov 1880 > Melissa Jane Earhardt 9 Nov 1842 - 1925 > married: 04 Jan 1866 > > children: > Della Mae Gudgel 20 May 1867 c. (approx. 1955) > Franklin G. Gudgel 5 Mar 1870 - 23 Aug 1870 > Charles H. Gudgel 20 Nov 1871 > Morton Schuyler Gudgel 07 Dec 1874 d. 4 Jan 1956 > > Della married John Dixon 27 Mar 1889 > daughter: Xie Dixon 31 Jul 1892 > > > Morton Gudgel and Effie Davis > married: 27 May 1889 > > children: > 1.Ernest Shelby Gudgel 19 July 1901 b in Deputy, IN (you have this info from Ron) >2. Mabel Grace Gudgel 21 Mar 1904, Deputy, IN * she had no children, married at age 40 to Kenneth Judy who had 6 children. We ask one of the daughter in laws to fill in the blanks but no answer yet. I will send later. > 3.Hazel Faye Gudgel 01 Oct 1905 d. 22 Oct. 83 * born in Deputy, IN. Married Victor Quakenbush ( don't have the date) 2 children. 1.Ernest Wayne Quakenbush b. Jan 15. 1924, d. Feb. 6, 1999- Interment Dallas TX. 2 girls 2. Aldene ---?-- Quakenbush 3 sons ( I don't have that info either. Ron has it so will fill this in later. She still lives in the Crown Point/Hammond IN area I think) Hazel Faye divorced and married Lyle McGuire later, no children. They are both buried in Dyer, In. >4. Freeman Lester Gudgel 15 Oct 1909 *d, 9/26/25 after being struck by lightning while in the field. >5. Mary Ruth Gudgel 13 Nov 1912 in Deputy, IN d. 31 Dec. 1999 * Sent her info previously. >** 6. George William Gudgel 23 Sep 1915 in Deputy, IN d. 4 Jan 1968 Hoopeston, IL. * see below for family. > 7.Geraldine *Janette Gudgel 09 Apr 1920 d. 10 Apr.1998 * born Claytonville, IL Married Henry Hartberg in Kentland, IN.- Henry b.Aug 10 1913 (He is still living in Dallas, Tex) Sons: 1.Craig Freeman b Dec.7, 1936 in Watseka, IL 2. Henry Kim b. Oct. 28, 1950 in Danville, IL >**Our parents: > George W. Gudgel 23 Sep 1915 -4 Jan 1968, married Clara Alta Montross, in Goodland, IN May 3,1936-She was b. 1 Nov 1918 / still living in Hoopeston, IL > > children: > ******* > 1.Beverly Sandra Gudgel b. East Lynn, IL 7 Sep 1937 - d. 22 July 1998 at home in Hoopeston, IL Married William Edward Schuler June 11, 1954 in Danville, IL 4 children, 11 grandchildren * Cynthia Ann b. July 16, 1955 William Robert April 8, 1957 Georga Gay Oct. 24, 1959 ( there is no i in her name) Fredrick Carl March 7, 1962 ( all born in Danville, IL) > 2.Sherrill Jane Gudgel 31 Dec. 1938 in Wellington, IL Married Robert Gordon Hinkle, Oct 1, 1955 in Hoopeston, IL. 3 sons 6 grandchildren and a great grandchild due in Sept. * Mark Gordon Oct 26, 1957 Todd Robert Aug 27, 1960 Clayton Lee April 1, 1971 ( all born in Danville, IL) >3. Constance Ruth Gudgel 10 May 1940 in East Lynn, IL Married Willard Phillips Dec. 5 1962 in Hoopeston, IL. 2 children, 1 grandson and twin step-grandsons Tobias Allen b Oct. 10 1963 b in Hoopeston, IL Amy Dianne b June 28, 1966 b. in Danville, IL >4. Janet Sue Gudgel Aug 11, 1945 - Danville, IL d. Aug. 12, 1945. >5. Stephen George Gudgel 22 Mar 1948 born Danville, IL >6. Clara Dianne Gudgel 1 Feb 1951 in Danville, IL. Married Chapman JR Jones, June 1968 in Hoopeston. Three children. Div. 1978. Married Jim Foley 3/6/2000 in Paxton, IL 4 grandchildren * Jeremy Ryan Oct 18, 1971 Kelly Ann Nov 3, 1974 Jennifer Renee Jan. 29, 1976 all born in Danville, IL >7. Edwin Bruce Gudgel 24 Oct 1952 in Danville, IL Married Teresa Beckner in 1970, 3 children. div Married Paula Brown in Danville, Il 1995. 2 step children * Jason born April 26, 1971 Stephanie Jane b. April, 4, 1973 Eric b. Jan. 26, 1977 ( all born in Danville, IL) I know there are still some blanks but if you need more info, please let me know. I have some of the kids (Grandchildren) and can get the rest. I also have husbands bday's and such if you want. I will keep trying to get the info that is missing and see if I can help in anyway. As you can see, we are doing our part to keep up the Gudgel name with a very large family. When everyone is going home (to Hoopeston), we usually have to rent a church hall, or open Sherrill's over size garage to hold everyone. I am just starting with this Genealogy journey so I hope this is in a format you can understand. Now that I am not working, I am trying to start a Family Tree file. I will have questions! Thanks for your patience Connie Gudgel Phillips > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" > To: "Gudgel List" > Sent: martes 22 de mayo de 2001 4:58 > Subject: Morton Schuyler GUDGEL > > > > Sherrill- > > > > Vivian has the line of descent correct on Morton Schuyler GUDGEL. > > <<>> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Word of caution Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:01:26 -0400 Hi Folks- I wanted to let you all know that my computer has had a virus and it attacked my address book, sending it out to everyone. I am now Virus free (installed newest version of McAfee Virus Scan yesterday. Not sure where.how I got this but I don't want it again. As a rule, I don't open attachments unless I'm positive wherere/who they come from. Some of the contacts who notified me their computers had detected this virus (called Trojan Badtrans.A), said they coudln't open it. I didn't send any attachments to anyone so if you got one I was not at fault on this. I apologize if it has caused anyone problems. I have basically been down for almost a week so now maybe we can get on with our searching. Today I went to a cemetery in Frankfort looking for my great grandfather's grave (on my mother's side-not a GUDGEL). Wound up stepping in a hole and throwing my knee out. So I have been in the recliner this afternoon with ice on the knee. BUT-- on a positive note , I did find his mother's gravesite (d. 1913). So all was not lost. I tried to get 3 different friends to go with me but had no takers-seems this isn't their idea of a fun Saturday morning! But I love to go walking cemeteries. We must be a special breed of some sort! Or crazy? Hope everyone had a great 4th of July. Linda from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Bath Co., KY line of GUDGELL's Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:05:21 -0400 Wondering if anyone has more information on this family: 2 of the children of John Harvey GUDGEL (1872 Bath Co., KY-1937 Jefferson Co., KY) and Julia Ellen LYONS (1814-1915): Thomas Hanlon GUDGEL (b. 1902 Michigan-d. 1965 Las Vegas, NV) married Mariel COOK. No children. Where is Thomas buried? Birth/death dates on Julia? Where is Julia buried? James Austin Gudgel, Sr. (b. 1896 where?-d. 1969 where?) Married Irene Agnes GILMORE (d. 1992 Houston, TX?). Where is she buried? Their children: Virginia Margaret, John Henry and James Austin, Jr. Anyone have more info. on these children? The lineage of these families goes: Andrew, Sr.> Andrew, Jr.>Allen>John H.>John Harvey. ********************************************************************* Also have a note I ran across that I have no idea who it is or where they fit: Hattie GUDGEL married William Herschel MARTIN- Jesse E. Rollie A.-b. 1892 James Herschel- b. 1895 Anyone recognize these names? Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More GUDGELL data needed Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:23:06 -0400 Another line I am working on and need your help: Line goes: Andrew, Sr.> Jacob>John Franklin>Richard J. Richard J. GUDGELL-( b. 1843 Ray Co., MO, d. 1921 Jefferson Co., Iowa) where buried? He married 1876 Morgan Co., IL to Phoebe A. Henderson. Phoebe b. 1859 Louisa, IA, d. when, Lawrence, Douglas Co., Kansas. Where buried? Children: (All born in Iowa except Licurgas-b. Illinois) Licurgas-b. abt. 1877 Laura-April, 1882 (Twin to Love?) Love -April, 1882 (twin to Laura?) Robert V.-b. abt. 1885 Henry Clay-b. abt. 1888 Lillie B.-b. abt. 1890 Susie-b. abt. 1891 Does anyone have more information on these children? Thanks, Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Richard J. Gudgel Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:24:13 -0700 Hello, I have added the information that I have to the information from Linda. My source was from the Henderson Family History on the internet. I have not verified it, myself. The 1900 Fed. soundex has this family living in Jefferson co. IA. Line goes: Andrew, Sr.> Jacob>John Franklin>Richard J. Richard J. GUDGELL- b. June 1843 Ray Co., MO, d. 18 Apr.1921 Fairfield, Jefferson Co., Iowa. Where buried? (I don't know the cemetery.) He married 10 Aug. 1876, Arcadia, Morgan Co., IL to Phoebe A. Henderson. Phoebe b. 21 Apr. 1859 Louisa, IA, d. 2 Apr. 1934 , Lawrence, Douglas Co., Kansas. Where buried? Phoebe's parents were: Jackson A. Henderson and Dianah P. Petefish Children: (All born in Iowa except Licurgas-b. Illinois) Licurgas-b. Apr. 1879 d. 1934 Laura Lee- b. April, 1882 (Twin to Love?) d. Jul 1959 m. Nelson Green Love -April, 1882 (twin to Laura?) d. 17 Nov. 1920 m. ? Copeland Robert V.-b. May. 1885 d. 20 Dec. 1913 Henry Clay-b. Mar. 1888 Lillie B.-b. Feb. 1890 d. ? m. ? Nichols Susie-b. abt. 1891 d. ? m. ? Green (I also have a child - Jackson b. abt 1877.--vg) Vivian gudgell Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:34:39 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: new? resources to get Dear Cousins, I received an ad via snail mail from a genie outfit in Baltimore (perhaps you all did too). In it were some references that sound like we should order via Interlibrary loan (or if you are flush, buy). They are selling these of course but I think most of us have seen at least some of them before. Just to be sure, do some of you want to order them ILL or maybe your local library has them in your genie section? Tell me what you think. I am mostly interested in the oldest references as that is where my focus is. If you want to know the complete list, write me. Your librarian will use the ISBN number to order the ref via ILL. If you will be ordering any of these please let me know so I won't duplicate your efforts (assuming you all will share your results?). Kentuckians in Ohio and Indiana, by Stuart S Sprague, 1986, 302 p, indexed. ISBN 0-8063-1142-8. $28.50 Index to PA's Colonial Records Series, by Mary Dunn, 1992, 228 p, ISBN 0-8063-1332-3. $14. sale Virginia Claims to Land in Western PA, Published with an account of hte donation lands of PA, Excerpted from PA Archives, 3rd Series, Vol. III. by Wm H Egle. 1896 (reprinted 2001), 289 p, ISBN 0-8063-5107-1. $28.50 PA German Church Records of Births, Baptisms, Marriages, Burials, etc from the PA German Society Proceedings and Addresses, with an Intro. by Don Yoder. 3 vols, 2,371 p, 1983 (reprinted 2001) ISBN 0-8063-1017-0. $165. The Tenmile Country and its Pioneer Families, A genealogical history of the Upper Monongahela Valley, by Howard Leckey, 1950, 1977, reprinted 2001, 775 p, ISBN 0-8063-5097-0. $55 Others of possible interest: Managing a Genealogical Project, by Wm Dollarhide, 1999. 96 p. $14.95 (no ISBN no). Reading Early American Handwriting, by Kip Sperry, 1998, 289 p, $29.99 (No ISBN no). Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:47:27 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: another ref I forgot to mention another reference that we all would do well to read; has anyone read this one? Evidence! Citation and Analysis for the Family Historian, by Eliz S Mills, 1997, 124 p. $16.95 (no ISBN number) Dianne G-H From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Smitty Crossfield's Research Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:09:55 -0400 Hi Folks- I am happy to report that John and Kathy Crossfield (John is the eldest son of the late Willie and Smitty Crossfield of Anderson Co., KY) delivered Smitty's research to me yesterday. I am thrilled to have it, to say the least. I know how many years Smitty worked on these various lines and it's going to take me a LONG while to sort it out. Actually a lot of it was in notebooks and they had taken the contents out of the notebooks and placed them neatly in boxes and sealed them up. There were a total of 5 large boxes and it is a treasure. One box is research books which included an original McKee-Bond History of Anderson Co., KY (it's priceless to me). There is also a signed copy of the book on Fox Creek (community where a lot of the GUDGEL's lived-written by a descendant), and lots of other good reference books. The other boxes contain surname files, lots of old photos (most all are identified!), document copies, family Bible records, lots of old letters and memoriabilia written long ago. All has been neatly filed so that will help. Besides GUDGEL(L)'s and CROSSFIELD's there is info. on the families of BOGGESS, McMURTRY, STRATTON, HAYCRAFT, SMITH, HELM, and many more. She worked on them all over the years-both she and Willie's lines. For those who are new and maybe don't know...the CROSSFIELD's and GUDGEL(L)'s intermarried (two GUDGEL sisters married CROSSFIELD brothers.). Just wanted to let you know her collection finally arrived. I want to eventually copy the information and sort it by family to be given in Smitty's name to the Anderson Co. Historical Society and also the Kentucky Historical Society. It's just so much right now so it's going to take me a long time. Guess the first thing to do is sort it by family.. I have to share this with you also. When they made the delivery I noticed this beautiful old antique chest in the back of the truck and I asked about it. John said it was what Smitty had referred to as "the Lincoln chest" and she had stipulated that it go to him. Well, I didn't give it much more thought than admiring how pretty it was......it turns out I found an article and picture in a publication that was in this collection that states it was actually built by Thomas Lincoln, father of Abraham Lincoln, our 16th President! The article states is was then in the possession of Helen Crossfield (a/k/a Smitty). I belirve it was built for Abraham's step-mother. Will have to read more about this but it came down through the HAYCRAFT family. Isn't that neat? And it's gorgeous. Bet you can guess I've been reading through all this stuff for two nights now. More later, Linda Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:21:18 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Research and photos Linda, Sounds like Smitty's research will keep you busy for a long time. Please share more when you find interesting tidbits. Regarding the photos, if there are any that would be of interest to put into the Gudgel web site archives, please let us know. I wish there was a place in the vast worldwide web where we could advertise our old photos for all to view -- especially when they are captioned like Smitty's, and where we might find our own relatives. I recently researched a lady's collection of papers in an Oregon archives and she had left tons of old family pictures from the late 1800s. She left no children and the photos were not captioned, but I have a pretty good idea who they might be as there was a fair amount of genie material in the collection. I only wish I could get those photos out on the web somehow so that people could see them. Maybe there is such a site but I don't know about it. Do any of you? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "nancy miller" To: Subject: Fw: Missing Links, Vol. 6, No. 28 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:42:32 -0700 Diane Are you familiar with Missing Lin ks? While they don't post pictures, if you listed some of the surnames, you might find an interest. They have a large audience. It's a weekly newsletter, as well as a web site. Nancy From: RootsWeb Review To: RootsWeb-Review-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: Missing Links, Vol. 6, No. 28 <<< to see the rest of this article, go to>>> http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/misslink.txt thanks, boB > From: "Vivian Gudgell" Cc: , "Gail Hohenberger" Subject: Re: The Missing Links and Mangis- Gudgel line Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:02:34 -0700 Nancy, I read that entire vol. of 'Missing Links' and was surprised to find the name Joseph C. MANGIS mentioned. I remembered Fannie Nettie MANGUS being the wife of Clarence GUDGEL . So, I followed the url address given in the article and found the name of Nettie and C. GUDGEL listed. I just want to bring this item to the attention of some of our g-l members. It is buried in the article titled 'Land Title Search/surveys' by bill Matthews and might be missed in a casual reading. Thanks Nancy, for posting the magazine. Vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: New Database on Ancestry.com- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:12:20 -0400 Good Morning to all- Last night I saw on Ancesry.com that there is a new daabase listed for : Bucks Co., PA, 1751-1798: Lutheran Church Records. Does anyone have access to search this information for signs of old Andrew or his family? Notes on this databse: Keller's Luteran Church is located in Bedminster Township, in the central part of Bucks County. The churh was called Tphecka/Tohickon, not to be confused with other Tohickon Church at Hagarsville about 3 1/2 miles South. In 1802, the name "Keller's" came into use and later St. Matthew's. A Reformed Church, possibly called Solomon's, joined about 1841 and lasted till about 1957-58. Keller's is located in Bedminster Township at Keller's Church on Route 563, eight miles northeast of Perkasie. Records of baptisims, marriages, and burials are included for the years 1751 thru 1798. Original records from the Lutheran Theological Seminary, Mt. Airy, Philadelphia, PA. Can anyone help with this? I am not a subscriber at this time but am giving it some serious consideration. They no longer offer any free databases other than social security indexes, phone book listings, etc. Hope everyone has a great day. Linda From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: New Database on Ancestry.com- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:46:41 -0700 Linda, I do belong, and I tried it for the various spellings of GUDGEL that I could think of, and came up with 0 hits. I then tried just Andrew and there were 25 hits, but none of them resembled anything near to what I was looking for. A non member can still search and they just can't view the results if they get any hits. Nancy > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:25:08 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: Re: Fw: Missing Links, Vol. 6, No. 28 Thanks, Nancy. I will try to look at the site this weekend. By the way, when I tried to reply to your message (not the whole Gudgel list), my program crashed TWO times. And my mail to Linda Finnell has been returned undeliverable two times too. What's going on? Dianne G-H nancy miller wrote: > Diane > Are you familiar with Missing Lin ks? While they don't post pictures, if > you listed some of the surnames, you might find an interest. They have a > large audience. It's a weekly newsletter, as well as a web site. > Nancy > s > > * > From: Trag24@webtv.net (R. Gudge) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:39:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Oldest Ancestor I would like to know who is the oldest ancestor of Old Andrew loving to day. I am the fifth generation. It was Andrew, Willam, Abraham, Arthur, then me. Just wondered if any from that line was older than me. There wouldn't be from Arthur's but might be from Abraham's family. Robert Arthur Gudgel 10-1924 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:47:00 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: "R. Gudge" CC: Gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Oldest Ancestor You have a ways to go. Doyal Gudgel (me) 8/23/21 "R. Gudge" wrote: > > I would like to know who is the oldest ancestor of Old Andrew loving > to day. I am the fifth generation. It was Andrew, Willam, Abraham, > Arthur, then me. Just wondered if any from that line was older than me. > There wouldn't be from Arthur's but might be from Abraham's family. > Robert Arthur Gudgel 10-1924 -- From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:49:59 EDT Subject: Re: Oldest Ancestor To: ralphj@eskimo.com I am the oldest male in Andrew- William- Edward Thomas- William Craig-William Thomas line Edward Franklin Gudgel born 1/16/1923. My Sister Carol Virginia Kramer was born 10/30/1916. Best-Ed g. FL From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , Subject: Re: Oldest Ancestor Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:08:13 -0700 Hello, Ed, Do you have any dates and spouses that you would want to give on William Craig and William Thomas? Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Oldest Ancestor : I am the oldest male in Andrew- William- Edward Thomas- William Craig-William : Thomas line Edward Franklin Gudgel born 1/16/1923. My Sister Carol Virginia : Kramer was born 10/30/1916. Best-Ed g. FL : : From: Doukel@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:20:52 EDT Subject: Oldest Ancestor Hi Everyone--- My grandmother is Mary Evelyn Gudgel Wood (the line is Andrew, William, Henry Thomas, Thomas Jefferson, Holland Porter, then Mary Evelyn) and was born 9/1913. I'm wondering if she is the oldest living Gudgel. Kellee Meyer From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:34:21 EDT Subject: Re: Oldest Ancestor To: vgudgell@whidbey.net William Craig G born 1858 in Gibson Co...... Ind d. 1893 m Luella F Creek b1855 d in Buffalo, NY August 3,1932. M 1/1/1877. William Thomas b. . Oakland IN August 21,18d August 3,1961 in Kenmore, NY m Myrtle Burnett b 5/15/1882 d. 4/17/1987 in Town of Amherst, NY She was one month and 2 days short of 105 years of age. After her last stroke she still knew what she would permit. She smiled when her granddaughter said "Get well and I bring you a Manhattan" but refused to be fed by tube and so died. Edward F. Gudgel FL From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Hello Cousins Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:44:19 -0400 Hi Folks- Just wanted to drop in and say "hi" and see what everyone's been doing. It's hot as heck here in KY and very humid. Besides my full time job I have been sorting through Smitty's research that I have "inherited". I have been spending a little time every night for several weeks going through and sorting the contents by surname. I'm getting closer to the end finally. This lady did a lot of research over the years so it's truly a labor of love. But at least it's coming together finally. I'd be interested to know what the outcome was as to who was the oldest living GUDGEL descendant. That's very interesting. We moved my oldest daughter, Gina, last weekend to Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY where she will begin a new teaching job at Price Elementary on Newburgh Road. She will teach 1st/2nd grade split this fall. Jefferson Co. pays their teachers a lot more than Woodford Co. so that was a big factor and the fact her boyfriend lives in Louisville. That sealed the deal, I believe . Hopefully this is the last move we will have to help with! The other daughter, Carrie (the newlywed), is back in graduate school at the University of KY and she and Brian and doing fine. It's fun to watch them begin a new life together. Brings back a lot of memories for us. So what's everyone doing this summer? Anybody taken a nice vacation? Research trip? We'd love to hear from you guys! It may not be genealogy but we still like to keep in touch with what's going on in our cousins' lives. Hope everuone's having a great summer. Everyone take care. Hope to get going again soon on my research. Linda from Kentucky......About 96 today and very humid. (Makes for a bad hair day!) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... Cybercousins... I just got this email requesting information... Do these names sound familiar to anyone here? Thanks, boB Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:29:40 -0500 From: L'Cena Bateman To: bgudgel@eskimo.com Subject: searching for Gudgel relatives. Hello My name is L'Cena Henderson Bateman and I am trying to find out any information on my paternal great-grandmother's family. All I know is that her name was Minnie Estella Gudgel Henderson and she was born in 1871 and died in 1931. She was the second wife of a William Marion Henderson her son Clyde is my grandfather. They lived in the Pottsboro, Tx. area and ran pecan orchards that are now under lake texoma. If you have every heard of her I would appreciate any response. thanks L'Cena From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Bob Gudgel" , Cc: Subject: Re: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:18:32 -0700 Hello Bob, I have Minnie Estella "Stella" b. 1871 in MO. married to Wm. M. Henderson. She is the daughter of Allen Gudgel b. Mar. 1839 and Lydia Fitzpatrick b.June 1842 m. 5 Sept 1866 Adams Co. IL. Allen is s/o Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples Andrew is s/o John Gudgel and Jean(Jane) Harbison John is s/o Andrew Sr. Gudgel and Barbary Hock/Hauck Andrew Sr. is s/o Frederick Gudgel/Gotshall/Gudshall/gottschalk. I believe that a Gudgel-list member, , is a direct descendent of Wm. M. Henderson. I found some indication that Wm. Henderson married first, Mollie Mangis, sister of Nettie Mangis who married Clarence Gudgell. Clarence Gudgel is a brother of Minnie Estella Gudgel Henderson. Children of Wm. Henderson and Mollie Mangis would be half brothers of Minnie Estelle. ( info from Will of J.C. Mangis) Joseph C. Henderson of Arkansas Thomas W. Henderson of Harmon co. OK. Hubert J. Henderson of Brant co. OK Hope this helps. Not all of the above information is verified, use it for research. Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gudgel" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... << Insert the above forementioned email here>> : : thanks L'Cena : From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel/Henderson line Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 06:19:27 -0400 Way to go, Vivian! I can't add anything to what you have. Maybe this L'Cena Henderson can add to what we have already. Linda From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:11:38 -0500 (CDT) To: vgudgell@whidbey.net (Vivian Gudgell), gudgel-list@eskimo.com, kc5aft@gte.net, arlb@infinitytx.net, gailh@neto.com Subject: Re: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... Hi L'Cena, Allen is a half- brother to my great grandfather.David Gudgel. His father, John Gudgel, is the son of old Andrew who lived mainly in Jefferson County, Indiana, near the city of Madison. Can someone provide me the proof that Barbara Hoch/Hauck is the mother of John? Also, I have forwarded your message to Oletta Henderson, Arlene Back, and Gail Hohenberger, each of whom descends from Allen Gudgel. Ardath Potts From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Bob Gudgel" , Cc: Subject: Re: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:18:32 -0700 Hello Bob, I have Minnie Estella "Stella" b. 1871 in MO. married to Wm. M. Henderson. She is the daughter of Allen Gudgel b. Mar. 1839 and Lydia Fitzpatrick b.June 1842 m. 5 Sept 1866 Adams Co. IL. Allen is s/o Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples Andrew is s/o John Gudgel and Jean(Jane) Harbison John is s/o Andrew Sr. Gudgel and Barbary Hock/Hauck Andrew Sr. is s/o Frederick Gudgel/Gotshall/Gudshall/gottschalk. I believe that a Gudgel-list member, , is a direct descendent of Wm. M. Henderson. I found some indication that Wm. Henderson married first, Mollie Mangis, sister of Nettie Mangis who married Clarence Gudgell. Clarence Gudgel is a brother of Minnie Estella Gudgel Henderson. Children of Wm. Henderson and Mollie Mangis would be half brothers of Minnie Estelle. ( info from Will of J.C. Mangis) Joseph C. Henderson of Arkansas Thomas W. Henderson of Harmon co. OK. Hubert J. Henderson of Brant co. OK Hope this helps. Not all of the above information is verified, use it for research. Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gudgel" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... <> From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:18:32 -0500 (CDT) To: aap109@webtv.net Cc: vgudgell@whidbey.net (Vivian Gudgell), gudgel-list@eskimo.com, kc5aft@gte.net, arlb@infinitytx.net, gailh@neto.com Subject: Re: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... Correction to my original email. It should have said that John Gudgel lived mainly in Jefferson County, Indiana.---- Not old Andrew. Sorry, Ardath Ardath Potts From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:11:38 -0500 (CDT) To: vgudgell@whidbey.net (Vivian Gudgell), gudgel-list@eskimo.com, kc5aft@gte.net, arlb@infinitytx.net, gailh@neto.com Subject: Re: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... Hi L'Cena, Allen is a half- brother to my great grandfather.David Gudgel. His father, John Gudgel, is the son of old Andrew who lived mainly in Jefferson County, Indiana, near the city of Madison. Can someone provide me the proof that Barbara Hoch/Hauck is the mother of John? Also, I have forwarded your message to Oletta Henderson, Arlene Back, and Gail Hohenberger, each of whom descends from Allen Gudgel. Ardath Potts From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Bob Gudgel" , Cc: Subject: Re: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:18:32 -0700 Hello Bob, I have Minnie Estella "Stella" b. 1871 in MO. married to Wm. M. Henderson. She is the daughter of Allen Gudgel b. Mar. 1839 and Lydia Fitzpatrick b.June 1842 m. 5 Sept 1866 Adams Co. IL. Allen is s/o Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples Andrew is s/o John Gudgel and Jean(Jane) Harbison John is s/o Andrew Sr. Gudgel and Barbary Hock/Hauck Andrew Sr. is s/o Frederick Gudgel/Gotshall/Gudshall/gottschalk. I believe that a Gudgel-list member, , is a direct descendent of Wm. M. Henderson. I found some indication that Wm. Henderson married first, Mollie Mangis, sister of Nettie Mangis who married Clarence Gudgell. Clarence Gudgel is a brother of Minnie Estella Gudgel Henderson. Children of Wm. Henderson and Mollie Mangis would be half brothers of Minnie Estelle. ( info from Will of J.C. Mangis) Joseph C. Henderson of Arkansas Thomas W. Henderson of Harmon co. OK. Hubert J. Henderson of Brant co. OK Hope this helps. Not all of the above information is verified, use it for research. Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gudgel" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... : Cybercousins... : : I just got this email requesting information... : : Do these names sound familiar to anyone here? : : Thanks, : boB : : : Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:29:40 -0500 : From: L'Cena Bateman : To: bgudgel@eskimo.com : Subject: searching for Gudgel relatives. : : Hello : My name is L'Cena Henderson Bateman and I am trying to find out any : information on my paternal great-grandmother's family. All I know is : that her name was Minnie Estella Gudgel Henderson and she was born in 1871 : and died in 1931. She was the second wife of a William Marion Henderson : her son Clyde is my grandfather. They lived in the Pottsboro, Tx. area and : ran pecan orchards that are now under lake texoma. If you have every heard : of her I would appreciate any response. : : thanks L'Cena : : : : From: "Gail Hohenberger" To: , "Vivian Gudgell" , , , Subject: Re: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:01:42 -0500 Hello L'Cena, Allen Gudgel was my great grandfather. Clarence Gudgel (married to Netti Mangus) was my grandfather and Kenneth Gudgel was my Dad. I knew when you said that the Henderson's home was covered by Lake Texoma that there was probably a connection but I didn't know how. Thanks to this wonderful mail list, we both know now. Gail Hohenberger gailh@neto.com From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , , , , Subject: Re: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:29:37 -0700 Ardath, Didn't you miss a generation when you said David and half brother Allen were sons of John? I have a different set of David and Allen as sons of John s/o Andrew Sr. I have Allen and Rebecca Robertson and David and Elmira Fitch as sons and wives of John and Jean Harbison. I have Allen and Lydia Fitzpatrick as son and wife of Andrew Jr.and Elizabeth Staples and David Milton and Nancy Ellen Smith as son and wife of Andrew Jr. and Elizabeth Shaner. The two different mothers making them half brothers. Andrew Jr. is s/o John. s/o Andrew Sr. s/o Frederick. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Vivian Gudgell" ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:11 AM Subject: Re: Received an E-mail request for Gudgel family info... : Hi L'Cena, : : Allen is a half- brother to my great grandfather.David Gudgel. His : father, John Gudgel, is the son of old Andrew who lived mainly in : Jefferson County, Indiana, near the city of Madison. Can someone : provide me the proof that Barbara Hoch/Hauck is the mother of John? : : Also, I have forwarded your message to Oletta Henderson, Arlene Back, : and Gail Hohenberger, each of whom descends from Allen Gudgel. : : Ardath Potts : : From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:19:33 -0500 (CDT) To: arlb@infinitytx.net, kc5aft@gte.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Errors Vivian is exactly right. We buried my husband's sister yesterday and my brain is not working very well yet. Just ignore everything except " What is the proof that John is the son of Barbara Hoch?" and the relationships to Allen and Lydia. Ardath Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Barbara/Barbary HOCH, Possibly 2nd wife of Old Andrew Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 16:32:06 -0400 Thanks Vivian, for asking the question about confirming that Barbara Hoch is the mother of John GUDGEL. I would love to know this also. With no proof of a marriage between old Andrew and Barbara (HOCH?), I don't see how anyone can verify that. From old deeds in PA we do know that at a certain date (will have to look these up), old Andrew was listed in the deed with "Barbary, his wife". No where have I seen the last name of HOCH confirmed as her maiden name. Can someone tell me where that idea came from? Wife # 1- was listed also in a deed with old Andrew and "Catharine, his wife". And no maiden name or marriage date has been confirmed there. Someone has listed on internet sources the marriage date of 1745 but I have not seen that and wonder where that also came from. Wife #3-Elizabeth "Betsey" Payn - from marriage records in Woodford Co., KY. This I have seen! The idea that her maiden name was PAUL came from an Indiana County History that said "her maiden name was thought to be PAUL". So we seem to be assuming a lot. Can anyone CONFIRM by documentation the names/dates/locations of marriages to Wife #1 and Wife #2? No one would like better than me to know the truth. And I don't know where to begin to find out. I have also seen that old Andrew's early children have been "assigned a mother" using the date of birth of the child and the possible date of the marriage to their father. This is not good genealogy when we assume and leads to problems later on. Hoping someone has the anwers...... Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Gudgel List" , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Cc: "Mia K. Fleegel" Subject: Re: Barbara/Barbary HOCH, Possibly 2nd wife of Old Andrew Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:38:49 -0700 Linda, I was looking over some papers for marriage dates and I came across a posting written by you on Apr 1, 2000 subject Early PA. Info--Andrew Gottschall. It begins "Hi folks, I have a document I found at the Kentucky Historical Center of research done by a Miss Elizabeth Maddox..........'' In this paper she mentions Andrew and his wife Catherine signing a deed conveying a half interest in a grist mill to Abraham Castine. They signed this deed on Mar. 17, 1745. Andrew acknowledged his signature in 1753, but Catherine's signature was PROVEN in 1754. Do you think that meant she was dead by 1754? This was found in Deed Book9, Page 205 Bucks Co. Pa. Abraham Castine was of Hilltown. Mia Fleegel, do you have access to that Deed Book? Maybe you can find some hint of why it was necessary to prove Catharine's signature. We haven't heard from you for some time; I hope you are doing fine. Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: Barbara/Barbary HOCH, Possibly 2nd wife of Old Andrew : Thanks Vivian, for asking the question about confirming that Barbara Hoch is : the mother of John GUDGEL. (BTW, it was Ardath Potts who asked the question......vg) <> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: [PAPHILA] Re: will abstracts Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:51:16 -0400 I found this website tonight and although I haven't searched all the files I did find Fredrick GOATSCHALK, who we believe to be the father of our old Andrew: GOATSCHALK, Fredrick Franconia. County of Philadelphia. Husbandman. November 7, 1748/9. December 8, 1748. J.4. Wife, Ann Mary. Children: Agnes, Andrew, Elizabeth, Mary Ann. Son-in-law: Johan CROUT. Exec.: Ann Mary GODTSCHALK, Youst PANNCAK. Witness: William TENNES, William NASH Notes from me: Not sure what the November 7, 1748/9 means. Maybe date of death?? >From the copy I have it lists 5 children: Agnes PANNCAK, wife of Yost; Andrew GODTSCHALK; Mary CROUT, wife of Johan CROUT; Ann ALLEBACH, wife of Christian ALLEBACH; Elizabeth MYER, wife of Henry MYER. Could be in transcribing they named one child Mary Ann, when in fact they were 2 people...Mary and Ann. I have seen the reference to the Will as Will Book I, Page 4, File 4. This clearly states it is Index-Will Book J (1748-1752), Philadelphia Co., PA. Also note the different spellings of the surname. For anyone wanting to search the files, here is the website address: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/willsabst.htm > As time permits maybe we could search these databases for clues to other family members who might have died in Philadelphia Co. Wonder if Frederick was buried in Franconia Township? And did Ann Mary die elsewhere and when? Linda Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:35:52 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Fw: [PAPHILA] Re: will abstracts Sounds like someone is citing from Old Frederick's will as that looks familiar. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > I found this website tonight and although I haven't searched all the files I > did find Fredrick > GOATSCHALK, who we believe to be the father of our old Andrew: <<>> > Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: [PAPHILA] Re: will abstracts Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:33:22 -0700 WOW Linda, But please tell me, how did you find the text of the will from that index that the web address takes you to? Maybe I am missing something. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: Fw: [PAPHILA] Re: will abstracts : I found this website tonight and although I haven't searched all the files I : did find Fredrick <> : : Linda : : From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Vivian Gudgell" , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: [PAPHILA] Re: will abstracts Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:54:55 -0700 Never mind, I found it! I got so excited, I did not go all the way to the end of the file. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" ; "Gudgel List" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHILA] Re: will abstracts : WOW Linda, <> From: "connie Phillips" Subject: Hospital News Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:32:34 -0400 Dear Cousins, Ron Gudgel has been in the Crown Point, IN hospital for three weeks with test after test trying to stop a blood loss from an unknown source. They don't believe he is strong enough for surgery, so trying to find this leak with less invasive means. On this past Monday they moved him to Rush Presbyterian / Saint Luke's in Chicago, IL. Again several more test and no results yet. He had received his 28th pt of blood last Sat. when my sisters Sherrill, Dianne and Mother went up to see him. I assume he is still getting blood daily. I will keep you posted with any news that comes to me, through his daughter Robin Burk. I am sure he would love to hear from any of the extended family. He checks his email daily when he is home, to stay in touch with all the family news and has done extensive research for our branch of the Gudgels. Keep him in your prayers. Ron Gudgel Rush Presbyterian/ Saint Luke's Medical Center 1650 W Harrison Chicago, IL 60612 Room 843 Thanks Connie Gudgel Phillips Aiken, SC From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Elizabeth GUDGELL-Criminal Case Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:56:23 -0400 I'm cleaning again! Ran across a reference to something I'd like to know more about: Utah State Archives-Territorial Criminal Cases Series 6836 GUDGELL, Elizabeth Case #101 Is anybody familiar with this? Or does anyone have a way of looking this up? The only court case I've seen referenced before was an Elizabeth GUDGELL who was a party in a divorce case but I never found out which Elizabeth GUDGELL it was. Can't remember what the time frame was but at the time I remember thinking I didn't realize they could get a divorce that long ago . Divorce cases today are not criminal, they are civil cases but are docketed in the Circuit Courts. Or at least they are here in Kentucky. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Criminal Case Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:02:17 -0700 Linda, Here is a little more information. I pasted this from the website that I found when I typed in the url for Utah State Archives on Google search engine. http://161.119.21.53/Index/SilverStream/Pages/pg6836.html Vivian District Court (Third District) Index to Territorial Criminal Case Files Series 6836. 1882-1896. See the full description of these records. To order records from this series, send us a request and include the series number and data from the index entry (name, case numbers, etc.). We charge for any copies made or film loaned. Surname or Corporate Name of Defendant: Given Name of Defendant: Charge use table scrollbar arrows below to move down through your search results. Surname or Corporation Given Name Case Number Charge Year Reel Gudgell Elizabeth 101 abduction 1884 2 From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Elizabeth GUDGELL-Criminal Case Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:26:23 -0700 Linda, Here is another interesting tidbit, I found when I typed in ELIZABETH GUDGELL on the GOOGLE search engine. I wonder if the two cases are the same. Vivian April 19, 1884 George Segal, a Japanese immigrant and part owner of the Gem Restaurant, murdered Elizabeth Gudgell. After being arrested, an armed mob arrived at the jail at 4 a.m. to drag Segal from his cell and hang him from the fire bell tower Editor’s Note: The events in this timeline have been gathered together from a number of sources, (see sidebar: Selected List of Weber County History Books) but most of it is copied verbatim from A History of Weber County, by Richard C. Roberts and Richard W. Sadler. The book was published in 1997 by the Utah State Historical Society and the Weber County Commission for the Utah Centennial County History Series. The Utah Centennial County History Series was funded by the Utah State Legislature under the administration of the Utah State Historical Society in cooperation with Utah’s 29 county governments. Copies are available at all local bookstores, at all Weber County public libraries, and at the Weber County Commission office. $20.93, hardcover, 460 pages, with black and white photographs and maps. ISBN:0-913738-14-X WCL Collection: 979.228 R646h From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Ezlizabeth GUDGELL criminal case Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:54:05 -0400 Vivian- Wow! This is sure interesting......abduction and murder. Thanks for your great detective work! I intend to find out about this for sure. Will let you guys know when I find out anything further. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: A Good Laugh for the Day Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:59:21 -0400 Folks- I can't resist sending this to you all. > This is the best one I've read in a long time! I'm sure I will have a smile on my face tomorrow at church when I think about this. > > I'm still laughing! Hehehehehehe > > Linda > > One of my favorites! > > HYMNS > > A minister decided to do something a little different one Sunday > morning. He said, "Today, I am going to say a single word and you are > going to help me preach. > > Whatever single word I say, I want you to sing the first hymn that comes to > your mind." > > The pastor shouted out CROSS. Immediately, the congregation started > singing in unison THE OLD RUGGED CROSS. > > The pastor hollered out GRACE. > > The congregation began to sing AMAZING GRACE, HOW SWEET THE SOUND. > > The pastor said POWER. > > The congregation sang THERE'S POWER IN THE BLOOD. > > The pastor said SEX. > > The congregation fell in total silence. Everyone was in shock. They all > nervously began to look around at each other afraid to say anything. > Then all of a sudden, way from in the back of the church, a little > 87-year-old grandmother stood up and began to sing PRECIOUS MEMORIES. > From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Ezlizabeth GUDGELL criminal case Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:39:00 -0700 Linda, Here is another mention of the murder. It didn't lead any place. The numbers must be file numbers of some kind for the Utah Historical Society. But it does indicate a couple of family members. Utah Historical Society Gudgell Elizabeth, restaurant manager, murder of, 49: 160-63, 166-67 Gudgell, Frank B. ( son ), 49: 161 Gudgell, May (daughter), 49: 161, 162-63 Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Minnie Estelle Gudgel Henderson Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:41:31 -0700 Hello, Please add a THIRD wife for William M. Henderson.b. 1862 d. 1936. I found his wives listed as buried in the Grayson TX. Georgetown Cemetery. 1st. Mary E. Mangus 2nd. Laura Belle Davis 3rd. Minnie Estelle Gudgel 1871-1931 On 7/31/01, I posted this information on Minnie Estelle Gudgel: I have Minnie Estella "Stella" b. 1871 in MO. married to Wm. M. Henderson. She is the daughter of Allen Gudgel b. Mar. 1839 and Lydia Fitzpatrick b.June 1842 m. 5 Sept 1866 Adams Co. IL. Allen is s/o Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples Andrew is s/o John Gudgel and Jean(Jane) Harbison John is s/o Andrew Sr. Gudgel and Barbary Hock/Hauck Andrew Sr. is s/o Frederick Gudgel/Gotshall/Gudshall/gottschalk. I believe that a Gudgel-list member, , is a direct descendent of Wm. M. Henderson. I found some indication that Wm. Henderson married first, Mollie Mangis, sister of Nettie Mangis who married Clarence Gudgell. Clarence Gudgel is a brother of Minnie Estella Gudgel Henderson. Children of Wm. Henderson and Mollie Mangis would be half brothers of Minnie Estelle. ( info from Will of J.C. Mangis) Joseph C. Henderson of Arkansas Thomas W. Henderson of Harmon co. OK. Hubert J. Henderson of Brant co. OK Hope this helps. Not all of the above information is verified, use it for research. Vivian Gudgell From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:19:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Estella Gudgel Henderson I received this email from Oletta Henderson, a descendant of Allen Gudgel. She has contacted L'Cena Henderson Bateman. However, Oletta is still working on many aspects of the Gudgel ancestry. Thanks to Vivian for her contibution in helping her to sort through it all. When Oletta gets this all in order, her line will connect into mine. So Vivian, thank you from me also! Ardath Potts From: To: Subject: L'Cena Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:15:30 -0500 Hi Ardath: L'Cena Henderson Bateman is my second cousin. Her Dad was my cousin Bobby Jack Henderson - deceased, m Caroline Moir son of Clyde Henderson and Jewel Roberson son of=20 Minnie Estella Gudgel and William M. Henderson dau of Allen Gudgel and Lydia Fitzpatrick.=20 Clyde amd Claude were the twin sons of Minnie Estella Gudgel and Wm. M. Henderson. Oletta Henderson Hodge kc5aft@gte.net From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:27:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Estella Gudgel Henderson Just a note that Oletta is Oletta Henderson Hodge. I neglected to use her married name in my previous email. Ardath Potts From: "Vivian Gudgell" Cc: "Gail Hohenberger" , "L'Cena Henderson Bateman" , , "Oletta Hodge" Subject: Re: Minnie Estelle Gudgel Henderson CORRECTION Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:08:39 -0700 OOOOPs, Please disregard everything that I have posted about MINNIE ESTELLE GUDGEL. Oletta Hodge has just informed me that the Georgetown Cemetery List is all wrong about the wives of William Marion Henderson. He only had TWO after all., MOLLIE MANGUS and MINNIE ESTELLE GUDGELL. Minnie Estelle Gudgel is Oletta Hodge's Grandmother, so she should know! I will let her fill you in on the correct information. She says that Joseph, Thomas, and Hubert are the children of MOLLIE MANGUS and William M. HENDERSON. so, please correct that information, also. I am sorry for the confusion. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Gudgel-list" Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Minnie Estelle Gudgel Henderson : Hello, : Please add a THIRD wife for William M. Henderson.b. 1862 d. 1936. I : found his wives listed as buried in the Grayson TX. Georgetown : Cemetery. : 1st. Mary E. Mangus : 2nd. Laura Belle Davis Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 05:09:11 -0700 From: "chuck Gross" Subject: New E-Mail Address Hi, I have a new e-mail address and request that all e-mail be addressed to = the new address. The old one will still get to me for a short time. The preferred e-mail address is: chuck@mycobbweb.com. Have a nice day. Chuck Gross From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" Subject: For what it's worth Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:27:16 -0500 Vivian, Linda, et al............. I have been meaning to mention that I ran across a photo as I was packing for my move.........I must have taken it on a trip through Salt Lake City about 10 years ago. The photo is of the street sign -Gudgell Ct.- It's at 450 E so must be fairly close to downtown. Wonder if there's any tie with Elizabeth Gudgell. -jennette From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGELL Document found on eBay for sale! Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:47:24 -0400 Hi Folks- As most of you know, I do a search for GUDGEL/GUDGELL about every 2 or 3 days and I did find something last night: Item: # 1175358603 PA 1772 Writ signed by Gen. Arthur St. Clair Description: Manuscript arrest warrant signed by Arthur St. Clair (1736-1818): Patriot, Revolutionary War Major General, President of Continental Congress, Governor of the Northwest Territory of the U.S. Signature ona n arrest writ dated 1772 at Bedford Co., PA. "George the third by the Grace of God of Great Britian, France, and Ireland King, Defender of the Faith etc., to the sheriff of Bedford County greeting. We command that you take Abraham Teegarden, William Teegarden, John Teash, ANDREW GUDGELL, Michael Cox, George Myers, John Hupp, and Henry Thomas...." Document signed while St. Clair was still serving as court officer appointed by Gov. Penn. Size 13" x 5" on laid, watermarked rag-content paper. Heavy aged toned, some stains (see image) away from signature, some separation along a fold which I have repaired from the reverse with archiva; tape, a few tiny holes along fold, otherwise sound condition. Signature is clear and strong and not affected by stains. Buyer pays $2. postage/handling. I guarantee authenticity to the purchaser. ******************************************************************** Note from Linda: This must be the document relating to the riots in Bedford Co., PA in 1772? I wonder where the seller get this? I also find it interesting as to how they spelled GUDGELL in 1772. The current price is up to $103.50 with the sale ending on August 12th. There have been 8 bids since it began on August 5th. I'd love to have it but I don't want to give that much. Does anyone have the ability/knowledge to capture this picture of the document for our GUDGEL website? Bob???? For those not familiar with eBay- Go to http://www.eBay.com and search by Item Number or seach for GUDGELL. It doesn't cost anything to look. Linda From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 8 14:50:08 2001 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA09415; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:49:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:49:48 -0700 From: Bob Gudgel Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200108082149.OAA08198@eskimo.com> To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re. Ebay Item Resent-Message-ID: <"CTYH_1.0.yI2.yFRSx"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2108 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com >>Does anyone have the ability/knowledge to capture this picture of the document for our GUDGEL website? Bob???? It's on the Web site now! Hey, I wouldn't mind putting up a scan of that Gudgell street sign either! Thanks, Bob Everett, WA From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Bob Gudgel" Bob- You are wonderful!!! This type of hi-tech stuff isn't my forte' you know . I have emailed the seller and asked him to scan a copy of the entire document for us. Hope he will do it. Told him about our research group and why we wanted it. Will let you know. Thanks, Linda Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:31:26 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGELL Document found on eBay for sale! This is interesting in that it applies to the time when Old Andrew and others were jailed for rioting but I thought this was in what is now Fayette Co, PA. Perhaps Bedford Co was the predecessor of Fayette. Anyway, we know a little about the situation from other history books and we know that the issue was over--what else--taxation and the inclusion of the area which was in Western PA into PA rather than Virginia. Many of the people in this area thought they lived in Virginia. The boundary was not established for a few more years. Maybe the document gives us more infor than we have. I am interested in seeing it. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Chuck Gross" Subject: E-Mail Address Change Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:35:58 -0400 Hi, Please change my address from: chuckgross@mindspring.com to: chuck@mycobbbweb.com. Thanks. Chuck Gross From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL(L)'S- IN SCOTT CO., INDIANA Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:56:29 -0400 Hi Folks- I got some information back from a lookup in Scott Co., IN and need some help identifying them. Some I know, some I don't: Scott Co., IN Marriages from 1820-1910: GUDGEL: Alexander married Valona SIPE- 15 April 1890 Bk. 5, pg. 254 Charles married Bessie A. DOUGHTY- 19 December 1893, Bk, 5, pg. 399 George W. married America B. BLOCHER- 2 February 1887, Bk. 5, pg. 130 Louis married Ellen TOBIAS- 13 March 1856, Bk. 2B, pg. 262 Rachel married William HILL- 21 July 1833, Bk. A, pg. 105/106 GUDGELL: John married Mary GREEN- 5 November 1840, Bk. 2A, pg. 4 (s/o John GUDGELL and Jean HARBISON) Morton married Effie DAVIS- 27 May 1899, Bk. 6, pg. 110 (s/o Shelby Grafton GUDGELL and Melissa Jane EARHARDT) Hannah married Sanders W. TULL- 12 March 1902, Bk. 6, pg. 227 There was one last entry that made no sense but maybe the volunteer made an error listing this?: Graham, son of William and Lilly McCARTNEY, married Floy VEST, dau. of Ed VEST and Emma BUXTON, 8 April 1908. Anyone have a Graham GUDGEL(L) anywhere? Maybe he went by GUDGELL?? All for now, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: GUDGEL(L)'S- IN SCOTT CO., INDIANA Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:04:48 -0400 Hi Stephen- Well, this info came from 2 Scott Co., IN Marriage Records publications. I wouldn't be too concerned about the spelling. I have lots of Kentucky GUDGEL(L) ancestors that appear to have had trouble deciding which way to spell it their whole lives. I know some that are from the same families that spelt it differently. Seems that Kentucky was where that change began and by the time folks left Kentucky they had pretty much decided which way they wanted to spell it. Those that stayed here took a little longer deciding I think. I would think this information that was published was from the actual court records, marriage bonds, consents, minister's returns, etc. Have you actually seen the original documents for Shelby's marriahe to Melissa? And some court clerks spelt it just the way they thought it should be and the person might sign their name, spelling it differently than what the clerk wrote. Linda Thanks > Hi Linda, > > Well, one thing is wrong for sure according to our records and Mia's too, no > doubt. Morton Schuyler, my grandfather and his father, Shelby Grafton both > spelled their names Gudgel, not Gudgell on everything I have seen. Morton > also had a brother Charles and that might be the Charles you have listed, > but I am not sure about that. They lived in Deputy, near Scottsburg, and it > is no doubt Scott county. > > Stephen Gudgel > Barcelona > From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:13:34 -0500 (CDT) To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net (Linda Gudgel Finnell) Subject: Re: GUDGEL(L)'S- IN SCOTT CO., INDIANA This information comes from records gathered by Mia and some by myself. Alexander is s/o Preston Gudgel and America Blake; Preston is s/o John Gudgel and Jane Harbison; John is s/o old Andrew etc. Lewis (Louis) is same as above. They had at least one child, Rosa. Charles H. is s/o Shelby Gudgel and Melissa Earhart; Shelby is s/o John Gudgel and Mary Green; John is s/o John Gudgel and Jane Harbison; John is s/o old Andrew, etc. Hannah is d/o Harvey Gudgel and Frances White; Harvey is s/o John Gudgel and Jane Harbison; John is s/o old Andrew etc. George W. is s/o Wesley Gudgel and Mathilda Stewart; Wesley Gudgel is s/o John Gudgel and Jean Harbison; John is s/o old Andrew, etc. George W.'s wife, America, was known as 'Belle'. (Just think, we had a George W. joined with an America in the Gudgel line as early as 1887!) I have a Graham W. Gudgel who is s/o William and Lillie McCartney; William is s/o Wesley D. Gudgel and Matilda Stewart; Wesley is s/o John Gudgel and Jean Harbison; John Gudgel is s/o old Andrew, etc. Graham W. is born in April, 1886 according to a family group sheet I have that was sent from Mia. I have a theory on the Rachel Gudgel who married William Hill in 1833. Daniel Gudgel died circa 25 Oct. 1821. The only Rachel I can find who could have married at this early date of 1833 would be his widow, Rachel Gudgel. Could this be a second marriage for her? Does anyone have this or her death date? I hope I did not botch this too much! I believe Mia is preparing to leave on a trip. If we both answer this, we can compare the info. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL(L)'S- IN SCOTT CO., INDIANA Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:56:29 -0400 Hi Folks- I got some information back from a lookup in Scott Co., IN and need some help identifying them. Some I know, some I don't: Scott Co., IN Marriages from 1820-1910: GUDGEL: Alexander married Valona SIPE- 15 April 1890 Bk. 5, pg. 254 Charles married Bessie A. DOUGHTY- 19 December 1893, Bk, 5, pg. 399 George W. married America B. BLOCHER- 2 February 1887, Bk. 5, pg. 130 Louis married Ellen TOBIAS- 13 March 1856, Bk. 2B, pg. 262 Rachel married William HILL- 21 July 1833, Bk. A, pg. 105/106 GUDGELL: John married Mary GREEN- 5 November 1840, Bk. 2A, pg. 4 (s/o John GUDGELL and Jean HARBISON) Morton married Effie DAVIS- 27 May 1899, Bk. 6, pg. 110 (s/o Shelby Grafton GUDGELL and Melissa Jane EARHARDT) Hannah married Sanders W. TULL- 12 March 1902, Bk. 6, pg. 227 There was one last entry that made no sense but maybe the volunteer made an error listing this?: Graham, son of William and Lilly McCARTNEY, married Floy VEST, dau. of Ed VEST and Emma BUXTON, 8 April 1908. Anyone have a Graham GUDGEL(L) anywhere? Maybe he went by GUDGELL?? All for now, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Preston GUDGEL & America BLAKE Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:29:04 -0400 Ardath- Thanks for this information about Lewis (Louis) GUDGEL, son of the above, who married Ellen Tobias. Do you know when he was born? Must have been after the 1860 Census. This Census for Graham Township, Jefferson Co., IN shows children as: Sarah, Alexander, Mary A., Elmina and Thornton. Were there other children of this marriage? I don't know about your theory of Rachel GUDGEL, widow of Daniel, marrying a second time. I will have to dig this out. I have done a lot on Daniel, other than file information that I have collected, since I can't document his relationaship to our old Andrew. Would sure like to know so that I can add his family to our tree. Linda From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 13 19:15:43 2001 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA30953; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:15:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:15:30 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c12467$379493c0$cc2ca2d1@nteel> From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , "Gudgel List" Subject: Re: Preston GUDGEL & America BLAKE Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:17:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"lbS8M.0.ZZ7.1d8Ux"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2117 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Linda, Actually, Lewis (Louis) was born about 1835 (according to 1880 census of Howard Co., IN) and was therefor out of his parents home by the 1860 census, since your report had him married in 1856. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Date: Monday, August 13, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: Preston GUDGEL & America BLAKE >Ardath- >Thanks for this information about Lewis (Louis) GUDGEL, son of the above, >who married Ellen Tobias. > >Do you know when he was born? Must have been after the 1860 Census. >This Census for Graham Township, Jefferson Co., IN shows children as: >Sarah, Alexander, Mary A., Elmina and Thornton. Were there other children >of this marriage? > >I don't know about your theory of Rachel GUDGEL, widow of Daniel, marrying a >second time. I will have to dig this out. I have done a lot on Daniel, >other than file information that I have collected, since I can't document >his relationaship to our old Andrew. Would sure like to know so that I can >add his family to our tree. > >Linda > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Tragedy with Harrier's family Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:37:08 -0400 I received a message today from Ardath Potts and wanted to send it along to everyone so that they would also know. Thank you, Ardath, for notifying us. A number of you are still receiving email messages from Dennis and Patsy who are sailing on the Harrier. (This is Vivian and Lyle GUDGELL's son, Dennis, I believe). Dennis and Patsy had arrived at Wallis Island safely. They won't be sending any more messages for some time. Dennis's oldest son, Ryan, age 20, died over the weekend in a fall while on a camping trip with his church group by Flagstaff, AZ. The Harrier is being put on a hurricane holding mooring and Dennis and Patsy are flying out tomorrow (12th) for home. They were to arrive in Seattle Tuesday at 6:00 p.m. on a Quantas flight. I hope I got all of this right. Someone had contacted me about where the services were being held. If anyone knws please let the list know. I don't have Dennis and Patsy's address but I do have Lyle and Vivian's if anyone wants to send a card: Lyle and Vivian GUDGELL 900 Easy Street Camano Island, WA 98292 Keep these families in your thoughts and prayers. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Accidental death of Ryan Gudgell Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:19:59 -0700 Hello, Cousins, I have some sad news to report to you tonight. Most of you will remember reading the letters from our son Dennis and his wife, Patsy, from aboard the sailing vessel Harrier. Dennis' 20 year old son, and our grandson, Ryan Edward Gudgell was killed Sunday Aug. 12, 2001 when he fell about 175 feet down a sheer cliff. He was camping with a group of church youth leaders. He left the group to take a walk down a trail at 9:45 P,M. The group heard some rocks crumbling and bushes rustling and called out to Ryan, but got no answer. They went looking for him, and found him at the bottom of the cliff. He was calling for help. They immediately phoned for a rescue unit. They were camping on top of Mingus Mt. between Cottonwood and Prescott, Arizona. The road, old 89A, up that mountain is twisty and scary to travel, and it took a couple hours for the rescue team to arrive. They couldn't get to Ryan until 5 a.m. Ryan was broken up, but still talking when they brought him up the cliff, and put him aboard the helicopter to transport to the St. Joseph Hospital at Phoenix. Ryan didn't survive the trip to the Hospital in Phoenix; they took him to Prescott Medical Center instead. We will have a memorial service Monday, August 20, 2001 for Ryan at the Camano Chapel at 867 S. West Camano Drive, Camano Island, WA. 98282 Burial will be at the Camano Island Cemetery, at 12:30 A.M. Ryan was very active in the Youth Group at Camano Chapel here, before he moved to take a job with Phoenix Cement Co, near Cottonwood, AZ. where he resided for the past two years. There will be a second Memorial Service held in Cottonwood, Az. by his friends in Arizona. We are asking that donations be made to the Youth Group at Camano Chapel or the Assembly of God Youth Group of Cottonwood instead of flowers, if anyone is so inclined. Thank you from Dennis and Patsy Gudgell and family. Vivian and Lyle Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Ryan Gudgell Memorial Monday 2 P.M. Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:45:06 -0700 Hello, Cousins, Thank you for your sympathy messages. We are gradually getting decisions made. Ryan will be buried at 12:30 in the Lutheran Camano Cemetery Monday August 20, 2001. Memorial services will be at 2 P.M. and visiting afterwards: Camano Chapel 867 S.West Camano Drive Camano Island, Wa. 98282 Dennis and Patsy Lyle and Vivian Gudgell Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:38:15 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Trivia Gudgel is the 26,520th most popular last name (surname) in the United States; frequency is 0.000%; percentile is 80.597 [SourceCBN] Gudgel, Indiana, United States [Place] is in Gibson County; location is 38°18'17"N 87°21'52"W [SourceGSP] Gudgel, Kentucky, United States [Place] is in Spencer County; location is 38°0'45"N 84°59'43"W [SourceGSP] Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:08:50 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: [Fwd: Elizabeth Gudgel] This is in response to a request regarding the murder of Elizabeth Gudgel previous discussed. Doyal G -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Elizabeth Gudgel Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:55:41 -0600 From: "Jason Richins" To: Dear Mr. Gudgel: I regret to inform you that the Weber County Library in Ogden, Utah was unable to find any information regarding the death of Elizabeth Gudgel. We appreciate your patronage and hope that we will be able to help you better with any future requests for information. Jason Richins Assistant Specialist Weber County Library From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Elizabeth GUDGELL murder Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:40:36 -0400 Thanks for trying Doyal! I haven't gotten around to looking further yet, but I'd sure like to know the story on this. If anyone makes any progress on this I hope you'll pass it on. Maybe in some old newspapers on microfilm? That might be a good place to look. Linda >From cooler and less humid, Kentucky. Beginning to look a little like that gorgeous fall weather we all love here. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: From Mom, again! Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:51:28 -0400 Gina- I forgot to tell you last night that Dad and I are going to the State Fair tomorrow. Going to early church and then take off for Louisville. Dad wondered if you and Jarrod wanted to meet us? I know it's late notice, so we'll understand if you can't. Mike got us two free passes! See you later, Love, Mom. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Oops! Sorry Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:39:14 -0400 Oops! Meant for that to go to my daughter. But anyone who wants to go with us is sure welcome . Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Ryan Gudgell Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:50:10 -0700 Hello, Cousins, I want to thank you, everyone, for the many sympathy messages and prayers. It was a great help. We are going to Arizona with Dennis and Pat to straighten up Ryan's affairs. We rented a motor home for a month, but we won't have access to a computer or e-mail. You will hear from me when we get back. I found an old marriage certificate at my neighbor's yard sale yesterday. It is for Richard Edward Maddox and Doris Eilene Eastly. They were married in Yakima, Wa. May 4,1929. Could this be connected to the Miss Elizabeth Maddox that we have the research letter from about old Andrew? I don't have time to research it now, but maybe someone else has a connection. Got to get busy, Bye for now Vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: William Lemual GUDGEL Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 22:44:56 -0400 Hi to everyone. Been a long while. I ran across some information on the web site for the LDS library on a William Lemual GUDGEL b. abt. 1887 Carmi, White Co., IL, son of Alvin Lowery GUDGEL and Christina, his wife. The name Lemual rang a bell so I checked it out. There is also a William Lemual GUDGEL b. 1861 Oakland City, Gibson Co., IN, d. 1902 Gibson Co., IN. He married Christine DOSHER in 1881 in White Co., IL. This WIlliam is the son of Jacob GUDGEL and Mary Jane WITHERSPOON. Can anyone tell me if there is a connection here and who is Alvin Lowery GUDGEL? I also found an Adeline GUDGELL , married to Edward W. JONES 26 March 1885 in Livingston Co., MO. Anyone know who this is?? I have been off-line for several days due to another virus. I finally had to call McAfee Tech-Support to get it cleaned up. Someone had sent me an email that was infected and this time it went to my Windows program and wouldn't let me delete it because it was "write protected media". So McAfee did detect the virus but wouldn't let me delete or clean it. They walked me through it and I am now clean. This is twice in 2 months that I've had a virus. Actually I had 4-3 Trojan Bad Trans and one other but at least the program detected them. I hardly ever open attachments and am very cautious as a rule. Makes me want to unsub from all my lists rather than go through this again. Anyone else had any problems? BTW, McAfee's support tech's were great. I was very impressed with them. More later, Linda Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: 1880 census and gudgel.org email addresses Hello Cousins! In case you are interested, (I am!), I had the opportunity to put information from the 1880 US census up on the Gudgel web site in .pdf format. There is no link yet, but you can see them at: http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgel_1880/ You will need the Adobe acrobat reader to see these, but it's well worth the download if you do not have Acroread yet. (free from www.adobe.com) These are from the LDS 50 CD set for $50 and also list the microfiche roll numbers. I would like to eventually post the other census years too. The file names start with the 2 letter state abbreviation and all 330 occurences should be there. gudgindx.pdf is just the main index of the state listings without the details. I know that some of you already have these and more. Also, for anyone interested, I can add your email address to the gudgel.org domain so that if, for instance, your name is Linda, (which one of you are), you can email linda@gudgel.org and that email will forward to her regular email address, or whatever she wants. I find it much easier to do that than to remember the whole address. As far as I know, I can add as many email address "aliases" as I want. Some of you already have one of these now, such as Linda, Dianne, doyal and a couple more on the list... Please let me know if you would like your name added and the email address that it will forward to. (I'm at bgudgel@eskimo.com) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:51:38 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: 1880 census and gudgel.org email addresses Thanks Bob for posting the census material. How did you get it? Certainly you didn't pay for it did you? I think it is interesting that the one Gudgel listed in Utah in 1880 age 14 is listed as the 'son' of the two young adults in the same household. But clearly the names are not "Gudgel" and the birth places do not match up between 'son' and parent's. So we are left with some questions. I am sure other questions will arise should we care to examine the records closely. But for now it IS a lot easier to look at this material on line than microfilm. Thanks, Dianne G-H From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:09:28 EDT Subject: Re: 1880 census and gudgel.org email addresses To: bgudgel@eskimo.com In a message dated 9/7/01 12:22:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bgudgel@eskimo.com writes: > http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgel_1880/ > Thank you so much! This census was so precious. My father was born in Indiana several years later. He was the first and only son go William age 23 at time of census. I am surprised at extent of family of Gudgel's.. one even in California. My sister Carol and I are oldest of William Thomas G. section. My mother Myrtle (Burnett) was probably the oldest Gudgel ( age 104, 11Months) Ed G Fort Myers FL From: Bob Gudgel Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re. 1880 census Dianne Wrote... >>Thanks Bob for posting the census material. How did you get it? Certainly you >>didn't pay for it did you? No I didn't buy this. A guy at work did. What a bargain. LDS has other census' CD sets of course. Also, I borrowed the 7 CD set, Vital Records index of North America for 1631 to 1888 for US and Canada for Christenings and marriages. Haven't looked at that yet. Now, there are others on this list that have quoted from these census'. I just figured it would be neat to post some. Has anyone else on the Gudgel list got these 50 CD sets? Just curious... boB From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: 1880 Census Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:56:44 -0400 boB- Thank you for putting these on the net. It's great to get an overall picture of families and locations all in the same timeframe. Great job and great idea! Linda from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: [KENTUCKIANA-L] Military: War Dead searchable database Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:12:51 -0400 This is a nice searchable database that might interest some of you. I found one entry for a Thomas J. GUDGELL, who fought in WWI. Be sure and check out both sites that are hyperlinked below. This Thomas was from IL and was buried in France. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "SilverWolf" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: [KENTUCKIANA-L] Military: War Dead searchable database > Have any of you had military personnel missing in action, killed in action, > killed in combat, shot down over enemy territory or buried at sea and no > other information such as where buried (for those whose bodies were not > shipped home)? Here is a great site to get the information on what branch of > service, awards and medals, where buried (or where the memorial is) > http://www.abmc.gov/ is the main page with quite a bit of information. This > is the page that will take you to the search engine for their various > databases: http://www.abmc.gov/abmc4.htm > To give an example, I was told that Green Kelly Brewer was killed in action > over the Pacific and the body not recovered. No other information. I entered > the name Brewer in the WWII database search and came up with this > information: > Green K. Brewer > Private, U.S. Army > 35872894 > 321st Infantry Regiment, 81st Infantry Division > Entered the Service from: Kentucky > Died: October 18, 1944 > Buried at: Plot H Row 12 Grave 142 > Manila American Cemetery > Manila, Philippines > Awards: Purple Heart > > Of course he was just one of the Brewers in the database. I hope this can > help people with their research. I'll send this on to a couple of other > lists as well. > > Sincerely, > Pat > > > > ==== KENTUCKIANA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, it is as easy as pie, > just send to KENTUCKIANA-L-request@rootsweb.com and > write unsubscribe in textfield.NOTHING ELSE,NO SIGNATURES. > Our mail list archives contain a wealth of information, try them. > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=kentuckiana > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Catherine Sevedge and Andrew Gudgell, Sr. Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:01:00 -0400 Below is an email I sent to Shannon WALKER and her reply. She had listed Catharine SEVEDGE as the wife of Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. on the Rootsweb World Connect website. At first thought I believed she had mistaken the name and wondered if she had it confused with Emma Sarah SEVEDGE, wife of Thomas Wiley GUDGEL. Emma was born in 1875 in Denton Co., TX according to my notes. Does anyone have more on Emma's SEVEDGE family? I still think it may be an error and didn't want to dispute her information, but read her reply to my email. Might be worth keeping this name in mind as we search for Catherine's maiden name. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "STEPHEN WALKER" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Cc: "Shannon Walker" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: Re: Catherine Sevedge and Andrew Gudgell, Sr. > It was written on an old piece of paper given to my husband's ggrandmother I > have no specific documentation still trying to see who has the actual bible > thank you > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Gudgel Finnell > To: Shannon Walker > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:16 PM > Subject: Catherine Sevedge and Andrew Gudgell, Sr. > > > > Hi Shannon- > > > > I found your email address on Rootsweb's World Connect. I see you have > > listed Catherine Sevedge as the wife of Andrew Gudgell, Sr.. Could you > tell > > me where you found Catherine's maiden name? I have looked for years and > > never found it! > > > > Look forward to hearing from you. > > Linda GUDGEL FINNELL > > from KY > > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Humor for the Day Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:18:06 -0400 10 Commandments for amateur genealogists. Haven't we all had our ear bent listening to someone relate their lineage to us! Linda 1) Thou shalt be brief. 2) Thou shalt not complain about using microfilm. Thou cannot have the original documents. 3) Thou art perfectly capable of finding the bathroom on thine own. 4) Eateth not thy peanut butter cups in the Search Room, nor thy potato chips. 5) Honor the Archivist, and bring him/her chocolate chip cookies. 6) Thou shalt not put a death grip on the microfilm reader at closing time. 7) Thy spoiled unruly child shall never enter unto the Search Room, nay, not to the fifth generation, that My Staff's sanity may be preserved. 8) Honor the Sabbath Day. Sitteth not down next to me at Burger King on Sunday morning as I peruseth the paper and telleth me all about thy family (this actuallyeth happened to me, folks!). 9) Thou shalt not bear false witness (thy grandmother, Bridgett McGillicuddy, was not a full-blooded Indian princess. 10) Thou shalt faithfully obey Commandment Number 5, lest the chances of thy locating that "critical" birth record be diminished. * * * * * From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:48:48 -0500 (CDT) To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net Cc: gus109@webtv.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: William Leonard/Lemual Gudgel Hi Linda, I feel that these two are one and the same. In January I sent you some of my info on this family. William Leonard's Spanish American War records established that he was killed by a train while going to his mother;s home in Kansas to look for work. He had left his home in Carmi , IL to head to Kansas. He had at least one son , Albert, and some of Albert's WWII records are included with William's. My Livinston Co., Mo records do not identify an Adeline Gudgell. I'll look further when I can. Also, in case you think Mia has disappeared off the face of the earth, she almost has. She was in Australia two weeks; then in Quincy where I live for almost two weeks; then to Arizona for two weeks. To top it all, she has taken a job as a high school lbrarian. Hopefully we'll be able to hear from her again on the website. But as a former high school teacher, I can say that it will take a while! Ardath Potts Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:11:52 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Fw: Catherine Sevedge and Andrew Gudgell, Sr. Linda and all, I am descended from Emma Sarah Sevedge Gudgel and I think the name Sevedge as Andrew Gudgel Sr's wife's name is a mistake, but of course we would like to know where it came from. Dianne G-H Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Below is an email I sent to Shannon WALKER and her reply. She had listed > Catharine SEVEDGE as the wife of Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. on the Rootsweb World > Connect website. > At first thought I believed she had mistaken the name and wondered if she > had it confused with Emma Sarah SEVEDGE, wife of Thomas Wiley GUDGEL. Emma > was born in 1875 in Denton Co., TX according to my notes. Does anyone have > more on Emma's SEVEDGE family? I still think it may be an error and didn't > want to dispute her information, but read her reply to my email. Might be > worth keeping this name in mind as we search for Catherine's maiden name. > > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "STEPHEN WALKER" > To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" > Cc: "Shannon Walker" > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: Catherine Sevedge and Andrew Gudgell, Sr. > > > It was written on an old piece of paper given to my husband's ggrandmother > I > > have no specific documentation still trying to see who has the actual > bible > > thank you > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Linda Gudgel Finnell > > To: Shannon Walker > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:16 PM > > Subject: Catherine Sevedge and Andrew Gudgell, Sr. > > > > > > > Hi Shannon- > > > > > > I found your email address on Rootsweb's World Connect. I see you have > > > listed Catherine Sevedge as the wife of Andrew Gudgell, Sr.. Could you > > tell > > > me where you found Catherine's maiden name? I have looked for years and > > > never found it! > > > > > > Look forward to hearing from you. > > > Linda GUDGEL FINNELL > > > from KY > > > > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: A Sad Day for America Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:59:10 -0400 Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Thank you Stephen, for letting us know you are thinking of us from Barcelona, Spain. I, personally, don't know anyone involved in this terrible act of terrorism on the people of the United States, except to say, it still affects each of us as Americans. I think we all feel so helpless to think there are people in this world who would commit such terrible acts against their fellow man. I am not old enough to have remembered WWII, however, I do remember the assassination of President Kennedy, the Cuban Crisis, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. And today's events will be another era that we will long remember. I still think we are the greatest country in which to live and enjoy our freedoms. My prayer tonight goes out to all those families who have lost loved ones and to those who were affected by today's events. It must have been a nightmare. God Bless America. Linda Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:50:43 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: A Sad Day for America What we have lost today........... This is not the end of the world - but it is the end of the world as we have known it in America. Today's terrorist attack not only buried thousands of Americans in a fiery grave of twisted metal, concrete, wires and debris - it buried America's innocence. This horrific attack will signal an erosion of freedom as Americans have enjoyed it for 225 years. It will usher in a curtailment of the rights to privacy, to personal freedom, to the freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom to travel etc. This day will be the beginning of an Orwellian world of surveillance, wire tappings, letter openings, fax interceptions and computer hacking by all manner of "security" agencies the likes of which the world has never seen before. It will all be done ". . . in the interest of national security." America, the last bastion of freedom, took a direct hit to its core, its nerve center, this morning. Will the America of yesterday survive this direct attack on its cherished traditions - hitherto constitutionally protected and taken for granted for so long? The shrill and emotional voices for new restrictions, draconian laws allowing all manner of internal and advocating external spying are already being heard. Huge budget increases are already being demanded for hiring an army of "human sources" which can infiltrate any and all organizations, coupled with vastly increased numbers of intelligence analysts to process this avalanche of information gathered. An orgy of paranoia, fanned by an irresponsible press, will end in a witch hunt that will pale the McCarthy era into insignificance. Emergency will be the cloak the tyrant will be wearing. State power will increase in direct proportion to the decrease in personal freedom. Who was behind today's attack? The culprit may well be found - and punished. The policies which created the culprit, however, will not be examined - and thus will not be addressed. Take Communist East Germany. It had the most sophisticated, all-pervasive internal and external spy system in Europe. One out of seven East Germans had Stasi (Secret Police) connections. They knew the most intimate details of the lives of their citizens. And yet, in the end, it was their faulty policies - and the terrible results of these policies - which swept the regime away. All the intelligence gathered by all these spies, analyzed by all their intelligence analysts, could not save the East German regime - because the political leaders refused to correct the problems caused by their faulty policies. Ralphj Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:25:12 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "McAdle, Karin" , Subject: checking in? Karin, Please let us know you are ok s I thought you worked for the Army in DC. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Phelina Gudgel Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:32:19 -0400 Below is a query I received today. Can anyone help Dale? I have no Phelina C. GUDGEL or LAW surname in my database. Please respond to the list with any info. so that we can all share. Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Law" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Phelina Gudgel > I'm looking for information on Phelina C. Gudgel of Jefferson County, > Indiana. She married Benjamin Franklin Law. He was born in 1848 and > died in 1914. Any info would be appreciated. > > Dale Law > -- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:03:37 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: lost cousin checks in with Thurman info Dear Cousins, I just heard from a 2nd cousin who I'd lost track of and she sent the following message which I have yet to follow up on. Perhaps one of you would like to do so and give us feed back. The Thurman line comes into the Gudgel way back as Old Andrew's last son, William, married Nancy Thurman, right? I'm doing this from memory. Her is Tawn Godfrey ______ (don't know her married name)'s info: I wanted to tell you about the Thurman line; maybe you know this already. I haven't checked into accuracy, etc. but there is a man who has done extensive work and has linked Lucinda (Lucy) Thurman Gudgel's ancestry back several generations. Here is the link: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ Search for Henry Gudgel and then click on the red icon for totalfam. They have this going back several generations from Lucinda. Here is the man's website: Loren Thurman - THURMAN's QUEST Homepage http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lthurman/index.html From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:16:21 -0500 (CDT) To: dale.law@gte.net, lfinnell@lex.infi.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Philena C. Gudgel I have information on Philena. Philena is daughter of Wesley D. Gudgel and Mathilda Stewart; Wesley D. is son of John Gudgel and Jane Harbison; John Gudgel is son of old Andrew Gudgel and probably Barbara Hoch; Andrew is son of Friederich Gotschalk and Anna Mary ____ Philena and Benjamin F. Law were married on 8 December 1885 in Jefferson County, Indiana. Her birth month and year of Nov. ,1853 are from the 1890 census of Jefferson County, Indiana. She is listed as born in Indiana. I have also listed a daughter, Gertrude (Yount) born Nov., 1890 and another daughter, Gilyun (Holstein) born Feb., 1894- both born in Indiana. Gilyun lived in Pittsburg. The family of Wesley and Mathilda Stewart Gudgel lived in the town of Deputy, Graham Twp., Indiana - very near the city of Madison, Indiana. Most of the family is buried in Pisgah Cemetery in Graham Twp. I do not know if Philena and Benjamin are buried; but if they died in this area, they are probably there. I have more info on this family if you are interested. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Philena GUDGEL & Benjamin LAW Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:04:11 -0400 Three cheers for Ardath! Thank you for sending us this information. I did have her in my database as a daughter of Wesley D. GUDGEL, but her name was spelled "Felina". But I didn't have her spouse or any children listed. Hope everyone is doing okay. Does anyone in this GUDGEL family have anyone connected to the WTC tragedy? BTW, today I am meeting with Harriell GUDGELL of Lexington and his brother, Paul GUDGELL, of Lago Vista, Texas. Paul is in town for a visit and it was a great opportunity to get together. I will try and get some pictures of the three of us and maybe we can put it on the webpage and in the newsletter. Actually, I have a digital camera but haven't mastered working it yet. We'll see . Wish everyone on the list could get together with us. Wouldn't we have a big time! More later, Linda from Kentucky and Proud to be an American! Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:59:47 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: [Fwd: Karin] I knew we had not heard from Karin after I sent out my inquiry. So now we know something and hopefully will learn more soon. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:53:04 -0400 From: Betty McCardle To: dianeh@corecom.net Subject: Karin Dianne: I ran across your query about Karin McArdle on a website and knew how much I had worried. I thought I would let you know Karin was indeed in the area the plane hit but got out okay. She is working on getting back online but has not yet done so. I thought I should let you know to put your mind at ease. Betty From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Karin McCARDLE & Mia Fleegel Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:03:56 -0400 Did I understand correctly that Karin was in New York when the terrorists hit? What was she doing there? Glad to know she's okay. And Mia lives in Skaneateles, NY (or used to). Has anyone heard from her? Where is Skaneateles, NY? Seems like someone said she was going on a trip a few weeks ago (???). Linda Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:43:39 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Karin McCARDLE & Mia Fleegel Karin works in Wash DC for the Army but I am not sure where. I don't think it was at the Pentagon though. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Did I understand correctly that Karin was in New York when the terrorists > hit? What was she doing there? Glad to know she's okay. > > And Mia lives in Skaneateles, NY (or used to). Has anyone heard from her? > Where is Skaneateles, NY? Seems like someone said she was going on a trip a > few weeks ago (???). > > Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL Obituary Records-INDIANA Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:34:42 -0400 Hi Folks- I have found a really great website called the Browning Genealogy Database. I have printed of all GUDGEL's information and will submit these to the list a few ata time. I'll include the most important information but if you want more in depth detail you might want to check it out yourself at: http://browning.evcpl.lib.in.us This is a compilation of obit records (1800' to 1990) contributed by Charles Browning. The area is Vanderburgh Co. and southwestern Indiana from the Evansville newspapers. For the older ones they have scanned the actual cards that you can see. I would assume they were kept as local Vital Statistics records. Maybe someone can add a bit of information to what they already have. Linda ********************************************************************* GUDGEL, Abraham, age 63, d. Sunday, January 30, 1910 Owensville, IN Heart Disease He was a farmer and a Veterna of the Civil War. GUDGEL, Mrs. Ada A. , age 83, d. Sunday, October 19, 1968, Boone / PL 929 S. Garvin St. died Baptist Hosp. Service: Meth Temple, Rev, R. Hamilton ret. sales Kaisers Husb. Harold O., d. 12 years ago sis: Mrs. Gladis Curtis, Mr. Clara M. Thompson, Evansville GUDGEL, Mrs. Christine, age 74, d. Saturday, January 8, 1983 Alex East / PL Newburgh, IN d. Regina (Pacis?) Home Service @ Wash Av Preby Sunday School Teacher; pres-Culver PTA; past Bosse Hi PTA; Goodwill Aux.; Musicians Club D; Newburgh Women's Club, Historical Soc. Husb-Clay 2 dau: Mrs. Ed (Martha) Schnacke, 625 S. Willow Ann McDonald, Manhattan, KS son-Robt., Ind., Ind sis-Pauline Buford, Louisville, KY 10 grandchildren. GUDGEL, Clarence A., age 69, d. May 28, 1981 Sivert FH, Sumner, IL Rockaway Beach, MO Formerly of Evansville and Sumner, IL d. Skaggs Hosp in Branson, MO wife-Pauline stepson-Theo Goans stepdau-Mrs. Laddie Myers of E'ville dau.-Mrs. Ave Hundley of Olney 1/2 bro- Jesse GUDGEL of E'ville. sis-Mrs. Agnes Conover of Sumner 12 gc and 3 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 21:39:13 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: GUDGEL Obituary Records-INDIANA Abraham was one of the five brothers who enlisted in the Union Army. He is the son of William Gudgel the last son of Andrew. Henry T one brother was my GG grandfather. Another brother was Andrew, Jacob, Edward, Actually six I guess as there was a Nickolas also. Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > Hi Folks- > I have found... Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:41:24 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL Obituary Records-INDIANA Wow, you sure find neat sites Linda. Keep up the work. Wish I had time to do more surfing and find stuff, but I'm not able to right now. I sure do enjoy seeing what you and others come up with though. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi Folks- > I have found... From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More Gudgel Obit Records Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:31:54 -0400 GUDGEL, Clay W. , age 81, d. Monday, May 22, 1989 Alexander East / PL Newburgh, IN died at St. Mary's Service at Wash. Ave. Preby. Church Past elder and trustee of the Church. Manuf. rep and owner of Tru-State Door Closer Service Grad, of Jefferson School of Law in Louisville, KY. past pres. of Evansville E. Side Kiwanis Club. wife-Christine, died 1983. daus- Ann McDonald of Manhattan, KS Martha Schnacke of Newburgh son-Robert of Indianapolis sis-Hattie Taccarino bro-John GUDGEL, both of Louisville 11 grandchildren (Note this one also had the obit and a picture pasted to the back of the card) GUDGEL, Daniel C., age 71, died Sunday, February 13, 1955 Greek / OH 201 E. Florida Rev. Robert (Wells?) Nephew-J.H. Davis, High Point, NC GUDGEL, Mrs. Elizabeth Bentley , age 62, d. Friday, August 15, 1969 Browning FH 3025 Crowley Ave. doa Deaconess Hosp Oak Hill Cem., Evansville Born-Indiana May 11, 1907 (or 1909?) Father (late) Connie Swatt Member First Ave. Preby. Church recently moved from 2455 N. Bedford Rev. Dr. Webb Garrison husb.-George (marr. to Anna M. Lenfers). sons- Gerald Bentley, 907 Joan Ave. James Bentley, Jr., Crown Point, Indiana (marr. to Evelyn McCaffrey). sis- Mrs. Sadie Robison, Detroit Mrs. Bernice Lamb, Evansville 5 grandchildren GUDGEL, Esther, age 61,, d. Sunday, May 24, 1914 1224 E. Columbia widow of late husband, William, former attorney of Evansville. William d. 7 years ago. daughter 3 sons- one coming from Idaho GUDGEL, Dr. J.E., age 80, d. September 17, 1938 Libery Cem Cynthiana, Indiana Service @ Presby Church, Rev. H.E. Neff Cynthinan Physician for 55 years; Director of Cynthiana Bank; Studied at Evansville Medical College. wife-Mabel son-Harold, Crawfordsville dau-Miss Helen GUDGEL, of Indianapolis GUDGEL, George Lloyd, age 62, d. March 22, 1972 Browning FH 907 Joan d. Deaconess Hosp. Highland Memorial Cemetery, Mt. Carmel, IL Rev. Webb Garrison @ FH Rev. D.C. Williams, ret Meth Minister at graveside born: May 24, 1909 Father- (late) George GUDGEL Mother-(late) Lora Alice Johnson Employee: Penn Central RR, 30 years. stepson-Gerald Bentley, with whom he lived. sis-Mrs. Naomi Tipton, 1910 N. Denby (friend of Shorty Ahles) Mrs. Blanche Keen, Bridgeport, IL 5 step grandchildren That's all for today, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Philena GUDGEL and Bejamin LAW Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:45:34 -0400 Ardath- I did a little checking on this couple after our recent discussion and found that both are buried in the Pisgah Church Cemetery, Graham Township, Jefferson Co., Indiana. I don't know who Benjamin LAW's family was and only have two daughter's names of he and Philena's children, but these are the LAW's buried in that cemetery (neither of the girl's names were found there): LAW- Benjamin F., 14 March 1848 - 8 March 1914 Philena C., 21 November 1852 - 7 February 1937 Stephen A., 1845- _____; Sarah J., his wife, 1843-1912 Mahala, 30 May 1821 - 29 February 1902 Anderson, h/o Mahala 30 June 1820 - 26 November 1889 (I think this means Anderson LAW married Mahala ______). Clay, 1868 - 19___; Lola V. HARTWELL, his wife 1873-1938 Nora, 1876 - 1930 George, (only date was 12 March 1857) Elvira J., wife of George LAW, 20 January 1854 - 3 July 1928 GUDGEL names in the same Pisgah Church Cemetery were: Melissa J., 9 November 1842 - 2 May 1925 Wesley D., 2 June 1827 - 18 January 1902 Mathilda, 6 March 1835 - 26 August 1908 George W., 1856 - 1928 William, 1854 - 1922 Dona Coombs GUDGEL, 1870-19___ ************************************************************************ Bethany Cemetery, Graham Township, Jefferson Co., Indiana: GUDGEL, John R., 1856 - 1935 Elzie W., 1883 - 1906 Mary A., d/o H.& F. GUDGEL, 9 October 1843 - 12 July 1890 Andrew J., 26 September 1851 - 22 May 1885 William, 3 October 1847 - 5 June 1879 Harvey, 23 April, 1823 - 26 November, 1885 Fannie, w/o H. GUDGEL, 9 January 1826 - 21 September 1900 Maybe as we learn the children's names of Philena and Benjamin some of these names will fit into place. Linda from Kentucky-beautiful early fall weather. It doesn't get any better than this! From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 07:35:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Fwd: Montgomery County Archives I sent this to Dianne yesterday to see if it appears to be new info. for the list. It seems to be. I've been trying to find out about Nash and Tennes for quite a while and this is the first break. Ardath Potts From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:15:32 -0500 (CDT) To: dianeh@corecom.net Cc: aap109@webtv.net Subject: Montgomery County Archives Hi Dianne, I think I've made an important discovery that somewhat ties Frederick to the Jacob Gudgel of Germantown. If you go to the Montgomery County Archives and scroll way down to 1734 tax list , you will be able to find Towamencin Twp and there you will see the three sons of Jacob. You will also see a WM NASH AND WM TENNES. These are probably the men that witnessed Frederick's will. Remember also that a Wm Nash was married to Jacob's daughter. It certainly appears that these people all knew one another. We've looked at this same tax list for Franconia Twp. - but ,I, at least, had never looked at Towamencin. What do you think? Ardath Ardath Potts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/montgop.html From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More GUDGEL Obits from Indiana area Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:15:49 -0400 GUDGEL, Jesse , age 56, d. Thurday, September 17, 1981 M&M /Sumner, IL Cem 2055 Shelby Ave, d. Deaconess Hosp. Service at Souls Harbor Assembly of God/ Rev. R. Thomas Foreman at SEGECO and WWII Veteran wife: June son: William E., of Evansville daus.-Mrs. Nancy Smith, Evansville Miss Donna Gudgel 1/2 sis-Mrs. Agnes Conover, Lawrenceville, IL GUDGEL, Mrs. John, age 85, d. Wednesday. November 4, 1970 Louisville, KY Barnett/Cave Hill/Louisville d. Louisville sons-Clay GUDGEL, 18 E. Jennings, Newburgh, IN Robert, Boyd, John & Louis, all of Louisville dau-Mrs. F.P. Taccarino 9 grandchildren/7 great grandchildren GUDGEL, John F,, age 65, d. Wednesday, April 5, 1933 GUDGEL Station (4 mi. south of Oakland City). Forsythe Cem. d. at residence Service at Forsythe Church, Dr. W.P. Dearing, Rev. McCord wife: Margaret, d. April 7, 1933 daus- Mrs. Gertrude Hawkins, Gudgel Station, IN Mrs. George McDowell, Evansville son: Edward GUDGEL-coach at Francisco High School sis- Mr. Wm. Wallace, Boonville, IN bros- Nicholas, Hot Springs, Ark George, Evansville, IN (NB- Double Funeral-wife died 2 days later) GUDGEL, Miss Kate, age 30, d. October 21, 1918 Owensville, IN d. Pneumonia 2 other members of family are ill GUDGEL, Lloyd, age 92, d. Tuesday, February 29, 2000 Boonville, IN d. at St. Mary's, Warrick Koehler Funeral Home, Maple Grove Cem. Church-Main Street UMC activities- DAR. Tri Kappa, Methodist Womens Club husband John E. Sr., died in 1966 Among survivors: Son, John E. GUDGEL, Jr., Littleton, CO; dau-Mary Del Clutter, Boonville, IN g-sons- John E. Gudgel, III; Rod Clutter, Jr. g-dau-Lisa Miller 7 great grandchildren (Note from Linda-this ladies first name was apparently "Lloyd". Had to read this one more than once to understand). GUDGEL, Mrs. Lora, age 67, d. Wednesday, August 19, 1953 514 Warner Ave, Alexander Funeral Home Highland Park Cem., Mt. Carmel, IL daus- Mrs. Neoma Tipton, Evanville Mrs. Omer Keen, Fairfield, IL son-Lloyd of Evansville bro- Andrew Johnson of Poseyville 10 gch; 4 g-gch GUDGEL, Myron Allen, age 38, d. January 2, 1946 R1, Cynthiana Zeimer to Bixler & Ritsel FH burial: Wadesville wreck, drove into truck trailer driver for F.W. Cook former semi-pro baseball; some said best 1st base in Tri-State wife- Emma father- Ed GUDGEL, Cynthiana sis- Mrs. Mel Schmittler, Evansville Mrs. Olive Turner, Cynthiana GUDGEL, Pauline, age 91, d. Sunday, September 10, 2000 Evansville, IN d. @ Westpark Rehab Center Cemetery- Sumner, IL, Alexander & West FH occup- LPN at St. Mary's Hosp.-Decatur, IL retired-had also worked at Deaconess Hosp-Evansville & Republic Aviation Husband, Clarence A., d. 1981 and dau. Laddie Myers d. 1988. among surv.-step dau- Ava Hundely, Olney, IL From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: William Tennis and William Nash Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:39:48 -0700 Ardath, Here is a tidbit of info on William Tennis. If you are researching him you had better look under TUNES. He married Magdalena LEVERING. I have copied a paragraph from the LEVERING genealogy which indicates that TENNIS and TUNES are the same person. ==================================================== (quote) MAGDALENA3: b. June 4, 1696, at Roxborough. She married William TUNES, alias TENNIS. She died prior to May 10, 1736, as she is mentioned in the first will of her father, Wigard, as deceased. Mr. Jones states: "A Release, dated Feb. 13, 1751, recites that `Samuel Tennis and John Tennis, grandsons of Wichert Levering," had received the Legacy of Ten Pounds bequeathed by Wichert Levering to his son-in-law, William Tennis. They are described as `of Towamencin Township, in the County of Philadelphia. Nothing further has been discovered of her posterity.'" It will be observed in this volume that I have discovered and gathered numerous descendents to Samuel and other children to Magdalena. Spouse: William TUNES (TENNIS) Birth: 2 Nov 1688 Death: 1748 Father: Abraham TUNES (~1660-~1710) Mother: Bathsheba (unquote) ==================================================== It looks like William TENNIS (TUNES) died the same year that he witnessed Frederick Godtchalk's will, 1748, if he is the same William TENNIS. Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More GUDGEL Obit. Records-Indiana Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:18:41 -0400 This will be the final submission of the information I had printed out. These remaining items are person's who passed on who had mention of relatives or friends named GUDGEL. Linda MAUCK, Anna May, age 82, d. Wednesday, October 28, 1998 Owensville, IN Mauck Cemetery Husband, Howard V., died in January, 1997 among survivors: dau, Jo Ellen GUDGEL, of Fort Walton Beach, FL Martin, Jesse E., age 86, d. Sunday, February 22, 1981 614 Monroe, Evansville, IN Mt. Mariah Cem., SW of Fort Branch, IN Father: Wm. Martin, deceased Mother: Hattie GUDGEL Martin (deceased). Harness, Martha P., age 65, d. Friday, May 14, 1993 Bradford, PA Willowdale Cem., Bradford, PA sister- June GUDGEL, Evansville, IN Smith, Nancy Marie, age 41, d. Tuesday, September 6, 1994 Evansville, IN Bur.: Sunset Memorial Park, Evansville among survivors: husb-Ira B. Smith (married 21 years)-Evansville son-Stephen GUDGEL Smith-Evansville Mother-June GUDGEL-Evansville brother-William GUDGEL-Evansville sis-Donna GUDGEL Moy-Orlando Park, IL GREEN, Ruth C., age 85, D. Saturday, August 3, 1996 Henderson, KY bur.: Roselawn Gardens, Henderson among relatives: dau.,-Pat GUDGELL DOWTY, Taylor Infant Owensville, IN d.-Tuesday, February 8, 1994 Holder Funeral Home among survivors- great-grandparents: Robert and Elizabeth GUDGEL, Owensville. DAVIS, Evelyn, age 56, d. Saturday, March 27, 1937 24 E. Columbia St., Evansville, IN Oak Hill Cemetery, Evansville Daughter of the late Attorney, William Henry GUDGEL Among survivors: Bro.- Dan GUDGEL, Evansville Willaim GUDGEL, Wash (Washington?) From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re:Thank you from Ryan Gudgell's family Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:20:08 -0700 Dear Cousins: I want to thank all of you so much for the messages of sympathy during this trying time. They were very much appreciated. Dennis, Pat, Lyle and I rented a motor home and made a hurried trip to Cottonwood, Arizona after the funeral to straighten up Ryan's affairs. We didn't get it all finished, so Dennis and Pat went back down there this week. This time they drove our jeep pick up without air conditioning, but Dennis called this a.m. and said the weather had cooled somewhat, so it was not bad driving down. It was very hot while we were down there. It is good to get back on the Gudgel-list again. Thanks again for everything. Vivian Gudgell Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:11:55 -0700 Subject: Introducing - A New Cousin From: WM E Gudgel Hello Cousins, I have recently received a letter from a new cousin. Her name is Judy BICKFORD, she is a descendent of Marion Francis Gudgel. I have included her letter (below). She would appreciate any help we can give her about her family line. BTW ... The October 2001, GUDGEL Family Connections Newsletter will be out in a few days. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel, in Evansville, IN Dear Mr Gudgel I am new to the Gudgel family web site and would like to find out more about the family newsletter. My name is Judy BICKFORD and my e-mail address is tljbicks@hotmail.com .I am a descendant of Marion Francis GUDGEL and although I know some of the family tree on our side I admit I don't know much of the rest of the family. If you would please let me know how to get the newsletter I would really appreciate it . Thank you very much Judy BICKFORD From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GODSHALK'S and William NASH Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:23:31 -0400 I found this item about the ancestral lines of the GODSHALK's in Montgomery Co., PA and it mentions William NASH marrying Magdelena GODSCHALK, daughter of Jacob GODSCHALK. It makes for good reading and I really beleive our Frederick and Andrew were somehow related to these lines of GODSCHALK's. Linda Page 114 of 421 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Descendants of Gottschalk COMES Generation No. 6 11. Jacob Henricks6 GODTSCHALK , Bishop (Gottschalk THONIS5 (THEUNISSEN), Thones4 COMES, Gottschalk3, Thonis E.2, Gottschalk1) was born 1666 in Goch, Germany, and died May 1763 in Kulpsville, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania (age 97). He married (1) Aeltien Symons HERMANS February 20, 1688/89 in Goch, Germany, daughter of Herman DAVITS and Trientien SYMONS. He married (2) Rosanna GODTSCHALK ??? Aft. 1706. Notes for Jacob Henricks GODTSCHALK , Bishop: --Different spellings of the GODSHALK last name are ... CUDGEL, CUTSHALL, GAATSCHALCKS, GADSHALDT, GAEDTSCHALCK, GAEDSCHALK, GAETSCHALCK, GAETSCHALKS, GATCHALAK, GATCHALK, GATTSCHALCKS, GODSHALK, GODSCHALL, GODSCHALK, GODSCHLOG, GODSEHALL, GODSHAH, GODSHALL, GODSHALK, GODTSCHALK, GOOTSCHALCK, GOOTSCHALCKS, GOTSCHALL, GOTTESCHALK, GOTTSCHALCK, GOTTSCHALK, GOTTSHALL, GUDGEL, GUTSHALL. --Jacobs full name was: Jacob GODTSCHALK Van Der Heggen. --He immigrated to America in 1702. --He was born in a little town in the Lower Rhine reigon, located on a small stream, the Niers. The land earlier belonged to the "Duchy of Cleves". Some maps showed this area to be Holland, today it is shown as Germany. --He was baptized a Mennonite, in Goch, on 7 April 1686. --On 11 June 1701, he received a letter from the Church in Goch, permitting him to migrate to Pennsylvania, where he arrived in 1702 at Germantown. --In Germantown he became a minister, in 1702, and later became the First Bishop in Germantown, also called "van der Heggen", in 1708. --In 1713, he moved from Germantown to Towamencin Township, about 25 miles north. His property there is now the location of the Towamencin Mennonite Church. --He was naturalized on 29 September 1709, and kept the patronymic name, as he could not use the name of his family's estate that was sold in Goch. --He died in 1763, there was a memorial built in 1962 in rememberance to him, in the Towamencin Mennonite graveyard (north side). --Source of information: Harry ADAMS (Bedminster, PA); Generally, members of the family in Bucks and Mongomery counties spelled the name GODSHALK up to the Civil War period. After that period, the name was usually given as GODSHALL. The name GOTTSCHALL means "God's Echo" but a translation of the German name GODSHALK means "Gods Rascal!" Perhaps this is the reason for changing the way the name was spelled in the 1860's. --Source of information: Jennie SPERLING (Lansdale, PA); The Godshalk Crest is a Lion Pair holding a Cresent. The chronological family record name GODSHALK and its various forms come from the German and its literal meaning is "God's Servant". The name has been associated in Europe with the Church from the earliest times and its members frequently were found in the Church in high positions as Monks, Priests, and Crusaders. They were firm in their belief and many suffered the traditional hardship of excommunication, imprisonment, and death. Many were Mennonites who lived in the lower Palatinate, lying on both sides of the Rhine River in Germany, in the largest province of Southern Germany and the capital being Heidelburg. Most of the Minnonites in Southern Pennsylvania came from the Palatinate and brought their language with them. This language or dialect is now called Pennsylvania German. Jacob purchased 50 acres from Isaac SHOMAKER in Germantiwn at 5273 Germantown Ave. He built a one story stone house with a Douch roof. They lived here for 12 years. Germantown was founded in 1683. In 1690, the Mennonite Church was founded in Germantown, by Rev. William RITTENHOUSE and Dirck KEYSER. William PENN, an Englishman obtained his Royal Charter from King Charles II, on 4 March 1681, granting him 40,000 square miles of land as a payment for a debt the King owed his father. The land being in the New World included the Province of Pennsylvania and Delaware. Penn, a Quaker, went to Germany and Holland and appointed agents in all cities to form companies for emigration. Penn preached to the persecuted people inviting them over to his land where they would have free excercise of their religion. The first immigrants arrived in 1683, in Philadelphia, finding it already occupied by Quakers. They therefore moved seven miles in to the country, at a settlement they called Germantown. An Educator, Idealist, and Schlor, Francis Daniel PASTORIUS, born in Franconia Germany, persuaded Jacob GODTSCHALK Van Der Heggen to come to the new world. He left for the new world with his wife and five children. It is not known if any of his other relatives came to the new world with him, but he has so many descendants now living here. On 29 September 1709, Jacob and his family became naturalized as British Subjects, and Van Der Heggen was dropped from the name. His wife had died in 1706, it is not known where she is buried. They married in 1689. --Source of information: N.B. Grubb's book; Rev Jacob Gaedschalk came from Gog, in the community of Cleeves [present-day Kleve, Germany (as of 1924)]. --Source of information: David GODSHALK (Hartsville, SC); Jacob GOTTSCHALK was born in Goch (Gog) about 1666. Goch is in western Germany, north of Krefeld, near the border of Holland. It is near a little town in the Lower Rhine region, located on a small stream, the Niers. It earlier belonged to the Duchy of Cleves, where the Mennonites had been tolerated since the beginning of the 17th Century. The only available source for this information is the church record of the Mennonite Church in Goch, the first entries of which date back to 1658. Anyone transferring from one church to another had to receive a letter from the home church ('attestatie'). On 12 June 1701, Jacob GOTTSCHALK and his wife were given such a testimonial by the Minnonite Church at Goch for Pennsylvania. It can therefore be assumed that he arrived in Germantown in the second half of 1701. The church record lists the marriage of Jacob GOTTSCHALK with Aeltien (Adelheid) HERMANS under the date of 20 February 1689. Aeltien HERMANS, the daughter of Herman DAVITS, was baptized as a Mennonite in Goch on 7 April 1686. Her father had on 30 January 1667, married Trientien (Katharina) SYMONS. Since girls were baptized at the age of about 18 years, she may, as the first child of her parents, have been born toward the close of 1667 or early in 1668. On the same day as his wife-to-be Jacob GODTSCHALK was also baptized; viz., 7 April 1686. Since young men applied for baptism at the age of about 20, he was probably born in 1666. In this baptismal entery, his father's name is also given. It was Gottschalk THONIS (aka: Gaatschalk THEUNISSEN). Jacob and also his wife have a second name, which is derived from the father's Christian name (a patronymic). This fact leads to the deduction that they were not the oldest families, and that they did not possess a house or a farm with a hereditary name. The spelling of Jacob's name varies: GAATSCHALCKS, GOOTSCHALCKS, GODTSCHALKS, rarely GAETSCHALKS. The spelling of names was not yet standardized as it is at the present time. He was also called Jacob van der Heggen. When he had migrated to America in 1701 he joined the German settlement at Germantown, Pennsylvania. Not long afterward he was called to the ministry, and shared the service of this office with the preachers already there, namely Wilhelm RITTINGHAUSEN and Dirck KEYSER. Rittinghausen was chosen elder, and Gottschalk ws requested to ordain him, although he was himself not an elder. This was done upon the advice of the church council in Altona on the Elbe in Germany, to whom the Germantown congregation had appealed for aid. After Rittinghausen's death in 1708, Gottschalk was ordained as elder. He performed the first baptism in North America. He was naturalized on 29 September 1709, and kept the patronymic name, as by law he could not use the name of the sold estate. On 21 October 1702, he purchased a tract of fifty acres of land from Isaac SHOEMAKER. On this land he erected a quaint, low but substantial house and lived there for twelve years at which time he moved to Towamenchin Township, which is now in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. The exact spot is now 5273 Germantown Avenue. He was a close neighbor to Dennis CONRAD, one of the original settlers in Germantown, who came to America in 1683 on the ship Concord. A deed on record in Philadelphia records that Rev. Gottschalk purchased 120 acres of land from James SHATTUCK in Towamenchin Township, the considerations of the purchase being 36 pounds. The deed bears the date of 30 February 1713-14 and was acknowledged 20 April 1714. At the same time his son Gottshall GOTTSHALL purchased from the same party 120 acres, adjoining his father's tract. The consideration was the same and the deed bears the same dates as that of his father's. In 1708 Gottschalk joined with four other brethren in a letter to Amsterdam, asking for some catechisms for the children and little testaments for the young, stating that only one Bible was among the membership of the church. In 1728 the Mennonite confession of faith was translated into English and printed by Bradford, in Philadelphia, and Gottschalk was one of the signers testifying to the correctness of the translation. Rev. Gottschalk was a literary man and capable of using three languages, Dutch, German, and English. He assisted in the translation of Van Braght's "Martyrs' Mirror" from the Dutch into German, and in its publication by the Ephrata Cloister. He also participated in the preparation of an English edition of a Mennonite catechism. His will, dated in 1760, indicates that he was a man of great age. His occupation was a wood turner. He had three sons, Gottschall, John, and Herman. Gottschall and John were deceased at the time of his will, and Herman was residing with him on the farm in Towamenchin Township to which Jacob Gottschalk had moved from Germantown in 1714. Jacob Gottschalk also had two daughters, Ann (wife of Peter GUSTARD (KUSTER), and Magdalena, wife of William NASH, both of whom were deceased at the time of his will. Jacob died in Towamenchin Township in 1763, at the age of ninety-seven years and there is a memorial to him in the Towamenchin Mennonite grave yard adjoining the Towamenchin Mennonite Church near Kulpsville. --Source of information: Harry ADAMS (Bedminster, PA); Jacob Godshall [Gaetschalck Theunis] was born in Village of Goch in the district of Cleves (then Holland) about 1666. He was baptised in the Goch Mennonite Church in 1686. "What can be discovered about Jacob Gottschalk in his native land?" asks Niepoth. "The only available source for this investigation is the church record of the Mennonite Church in Goch, the first entries of which date back to 1658. Anyone transferring from one church to another received from his home church a church letter (attestatie). On June 12,1701, Jacob Gottschalks and his wife were given such a testimonial by the Mennonite Church of Goch for Pennsylvania....it can be therefore be assumed that he arrived in Germantown in the second half of 1701. The church record lists the marriage of Jacob Godtschalch with Aeltien (Adelheit) Hermans under date of February 20,1689. "Aeltien Hermans, the daughter of Herman Davits, was baptised as a Mennonite in Goch on April 7,1686. Her father had on January 30,1667, married Trientien (Katharine) Symons. Since girls were baptised at the age of about 18 years, she may, as the first child of her parents, have been born toward the close of 1667, or early in 1668. "On the same day as his wife-to-be, Jacob Godtschalck was also baptised; viz., April 7,1686. Since young men applied for baptism at the age of about 20, he was probably born in 1666. In this baptismal record his father's name is also given. It was Gaatschalk Theunissen....Since the oldest son of this man was called Theunis, his father's surname Theunnissen must be patronymic, for along the lower Rhine, it was the custom, strictly followed, to give the oldest children the names of their grandparents. Hence Gottschalk Theunissen's father's name must have been Theunis (Thonis Antonius....). "Jacob and also his wife have a second name, which is derived from his father's Christian name (a patronymic). This fact leads to the deduction that they were not among the oldest families, and that they did not possess a house or farm with a hereditary name. The spelling of Jacob's name varies: Gaatschalcks, Gootschalcks, Godtschalks, rarely Gaetschalks...The spelling of names was not yet standardized as it is at the present time. He was also called Jacob van der Heggen." --Source of info: Ann M Woodlief (http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/home/godshall.htm); Jacob arranged with the Ephrata cloister in 1745 to have them translate (from Dutch into German) and print Thielman J. Van Braght's 1660 "Blutige Schau-platz oder Martyrer Spiegel (The Bloody Theatre or Martyr's Mirror)", a history of religious persecutions of Christians opposed to infant baptism and war; the work took 15 men 3 years to finish and in 1749, at 1512 pages, was the largest published before 1800. His grave is unmarked; however, there is a memorial stone that reads; "In memory of Bishop Jacob Gottshall 1670-1763. Born in Goch Germany, ordained a bishop in the Germantown Mennonite Church in 1702 and also served the Skippack and Towamencin congregations. He performed the first baptism and conducted the first communion service in the American church in 1708. The Skippack alms audits were signed by him from 1745-1757. He owned a farm of 120 acres which included this chruch site. Undoubtedly, he is buried here but no marker remains, therefore this marker is erected in memory of this energetic leader." Much of the older information and through Jacob's grandchildren come from typed and handwritten manuscripts in the Historical Society of Montgomery County library and are reasonably documented by deeds, wills, etc. More About Jacob Henricks GODTSCHALK , Bishop: Fact 12: Woodturner and farmer in Goch, Minister in Pennsylvania Notes for Aeltien Symons HERMANS: --She was born near the end of 1667 or the beginning of 1668. --Her first name could also be spelled as ... Adelheid. Notes for Rosanna GODTSCHALK ???: --Source Ed Godshall's research; "Apparently the Bishop did remarry; one of these sources mentioned a legal document from 12 July 1770, that refers to his widow Rosanna". Children of Jacob GODTSCHALK and Aeltien HERMANS are: + 15 i. Anna7 GODSHALK, died Bef. 1760. + 16 ii. Godshalk GODSHALK, born 1693 in Goch, Germany; died Bef. September 26, 1748 in Towamencin Township, Pennsylvania (age 45). + 17 iii. Jan (John) GODSHALK , Bishop, born 1695; died 1759. + 18 iv. Herman GODSHALK, born 1698 in Goch, Germany; died 1785 in Doylestown Mennonite Cemetery, Bucks County, Pennsylvania (age 87). + 19 v. Magdalena GODSHALK, born Abt. 1700 in Germany; died Bef. 1760 in Pennsylvania. Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:02:00 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: GODSHALK'S and William NASH It's like I said. There are 13,000,000 ways to misspell Gudgel. Now I think we have found another 13,000,000. Doyal G Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > I found this item about the ancestral lines of the GODSHALK's in Montgomery > Co., PA and it mentions William NASH marrying Magdelena GODSCHALK, daughter > of Jacob GODSCHALK. It makes for good reading and I really beleive our > Frederick and Andrew were somehow related to these lines of GODSCHALK's. > Linda > > Page 114 of 421 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Descendants of Gottschalk COMES > > Generation No. 6 > > 11. Jacob Henricks6 GODTSCHALK , Bishop (Gottschalk THONIS5 > (THEUNISSEN), Thones4 COMES, Gottschalk3, Thonis E.2, Gottschalk1) was born > 1666 in Goch, Germany, and died May 1763 in Kulpsville, Towamencin, > Montgomery County, Pennsylvania (age 97). He married (1) Aeltien Symons > HERMANS February 20, 1688/89 in Goch, Germany, daughter of Herman DAVITS and > Trientien SYMONS. He married (2) Rosanna GODTSCHALK ??? Aft. 1706. > > Notes for Jacob Henricks GODTSCHALK , Bishop: > --Different spellings of the GODSHALK last name are ... CUDGEL, CUTSHALL, > GAATSCHALCKS, GADSHALDT, GAEDTSCHALCK, GAEDSCHALK, GAETSCHALCK, GAETSCHALKS, > GATCHALAK, GATCHALK, GATTSCHALCKS, GODSHALK, GODSCHALL, GODSCHALK, > GODSCHLOG, GODSEHALL, GODSHAH, GODSHALL, GODSHALK, GODTSCHALK, GOOTSCHALCK, > GOOTSCHALCKS, GOTSCHALL, GOTTESCHALK, GOTTSCHALCK, GOTTSCHALK, GOTTSHALL, > GUDGEL, GUTSHALL. > --Jacobs full name was: Jacob GODTSCHALK Van Der Heggen. > --He immigrated to America in 1702. > --He was born in a little town in the Lower Rhine reigon, located on a small > stream, the Niers. The land earlier belonged to the "Duchy of Cleves". Some > maps showed this area to be Holland, today it is shown as Germany. > --He was baptized a Mennonite, in Goch, on 7 April 1686. > --On 11 June 1701, he received a letter from the Church in Goch, permitting > him to migrate to Pennsylvania, where he arrived in 1702 at Germantown. > --In Germantown he became a minister, in 1702, and later became the First > Bishop in Germantown, also called "van der Heggen", in 1708. > --In 1713, he moved from Germantown to Towamencin Township, about 25 miles > north. His property there is now the location of the Towamencin Mennonite > Church. > --He was naturalized on 29 September 1709, and kept the patronymic name, as > he could not use the name of his family's estate that was sold in Goch. > --He died in 1763, there was a memorial built in 1962 in rememberance to > him, in the Towamencin Mennonite graveyard (north side). > > --Source of information: Harry ADAMS (Bedminster, PA); > Generally, members of the family in Bucks and Mongomery counties spelled the > name GODSHALK up to the Civil War period. After that period, the name was > usually given as GODSHALL. The name GOTTSCHALL means "God's Echo" but a > translation of the German name GODSHALK means "Gods Rascal!" Perhaps this is > the reason for changing the way the name was spelled in the 1860's. > > --Source of information: Jennie SPERLING (Lansdale, PA); > The Godshalk Crest is a Lion Pair holding a Cresent. > The chronological family record name GODSHALK and its various forms come > from the German and its literal meaning is "God's Servant". The name has > been associated in Europe with the Church from the earliest times and its > members frequently were found in the Church in high positions as Monks, > Priests, and Crusaders. They were firm in their belief and many suffered the > traditional hardship of excommunication, imprisonment, and death. Many were > Mennonites who lived in the lower Palatinate, lying on both sides of the > Rhine River in Germany, in the largest province of Southern Germany and the > capital being Heidelburg. Most of the Minnonites in Southern Pennsylvania > came from the Palatinate and brought their language with them. This language > or dialect is now called Pennsylvania German. > Jacob purchased 50 acres from Isaac SHOMAKER in Germantiwn at 5273 > Germantown Ave. He built a one story stone house with a Douch roof. They > lived here for 12 years. Germantown was founded in 1683. In 1690, the > Mennonite Church was founded in Germantown, by Rev. William RITTENHOUSE and > Dirck KEYSER. > William PENN, an Englishman obtained his Royal Charter from King Charles II, > on 4 March 1681, granting him 40,000 square miles of land as a payment for a > debt the King owed his father. The land being in the New World included the > Province of Pennsylvania and Delaware. > Penn, a Quaker, went to Germany and Holland and appointed agents in all > cities to form companies for emigration. Penn preached to the persecuted > people inviting them over to his land where they would have free excercise > of their religion. > The first immigrants arrived in 1683, in Philadelphia, finding it already > occupied by Quakers. They therefore moved seven miles in to the country, at > a settlement they called Germantown. > An Educator, Idealist, and Schlor, Francis Daniel PASTORIUS, born in > Franconia Germany, persuaded Jacob GODTSCHALK Van Der Heggen to come to the > new world. He left for the new world with his wife and five children. It is > not known if any of his other relatives came to the new world with him, but > he has so many descendants now living here. On 29 September 1709, Jacob and > his family became naturalized as British Subjects, and Van Der Heggen was > dropped from the name. His wife had died in 1706, it is not known where she > is buried. They married in 1689. > > --Source of information: N.B. Grubb's book; Rev Jacob Gaedschalk came from > Gog, in the community of Cleeves [present-day Kleve, Germany (as of 1924)]. > > --Source of information: David GODSHALK (Hartsville, SC); > Jacob GOTTSCHALK was born in Goch (Gog) about 1666. Goch is in western > Germany, north of Krefeld, near the border of Holland. It is near a little > town in the Lower Rhine region, located on a small stream, the Niers. It > earlier belonged to the Duchy of Cleves, where the Mennonites had been > tolerated since the beginning of the 17th Century. > The only available source for this information is the church record of the > Mennonite Church in Goch, the first entries of which date back to 1658. > Anyone transferring from one church to another had to receive a letter from > the home church ('attestatie'). On 12 June 1701, Jacob GOTTSCHALK and his > wife were given such a testimonial by the Minnonite Church at Goch for > Pennsylvania. It can therefore be assumed that he arrived in Germantown in > the second half of 1701. The church record lists the marriage of Jacob > GOTTSCHALK with Aeltien (Adelheid) HERMANS under the date of 20 February > 1689. > Aeltien HERMANS, the daughter of Herman DAVITS, was baptized as a Mennonite > in Goch on 7 April 1686. Her father had on 30 January 1667, married > Trientien (Katharina) SYMONS. Since girls were baptized at the age of about > 18 years, she may, as the first child of her parents, have been born toward > the close of 1667 or early in 1668. > On the same day as his wife-to-be Jacob GODTSCHALK was also baptized; viz., > 7 April 1686. Since young men applied for baptism at the age of about 20, he > was probably born in 1666. In this baptismal entery, his father's name is > also given. It was Gottschalk THONIS (aka: Gaatschalk THEUNISSEN). > Jacob and also his wife have a second name, which is derived from the > father's Christian name (a patronymic). This fact leads to the deduction > that they were not the oldest families, and that they did not possess a > house or a farm with a hereditary name. The spelling of Jacob's name varies: > GAATSCHALCKS, GOOTSCHALCKS, GODTSCHALKS, rarely GAETSCHALKS. The spelling of > names was not yet standardized as it is at the present time. He was also > called Jacob van der Heggen. > When he had migrated to America in 1701 he joined the German settlement at > Germantown, Pennsylvania. Not long afterward he was called to the ministry, > and shared the service of this office with the preachers already there, > namely Wilhelm RITTINGHAUSEN and Dirck KEYSER. Rittinghausen was chosen > elder, and Gottschalk ws requested to ordain him, although he was himself > not an elder. This was done upon the advice of the church council in Altona > on the Elbe in Germany, to whom the Germantown congregation had appealed for > aid. After Rittinghausen's death in 1708, Gottschalk was ordained as elder. > He performed the first baptism in North America. He was naturalized on 29 > September 1709, and kept the patronymic name, as by law he could not use the > name of the sold estate. > On 21 October 1702, he purchased a tract of fifty acres of land from Isaac > SHOEMAKER. On this land he erected a quaint, low but substantial house and > lived there for twelve years at which time he moved to Towamenchin Township, > which is now in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. The exact spot is now 5273 > Germantown Avenue. He was a close neighbor to Dennis CONRAD, one of the > original settlers in Germantown, who came to America in 1683 on the ship > Concord. > A deed on record in Philadelphia records that Rev. Gottschalk purchased 120 > acres of land from James SHATTUCK in Towamenchin Township, the > considerations of the purchase being 36 pounds. The deed bears the date of > 30 February 1713-14 and was acknowledged 20 April 1714. At the same time his > son Gottshall GOTTSHALL purchased from the same party 120 acres, adjoining > his father's tract. The consideration was the same and the deed bears the > same dates as that of his father's. > In 1708 Gottschalk joined with four other brethren in a letter to Amsterdam, > asking for some catechisms for the children and little testaments for the > young, stating that only one Bible was among the membership of the church. > In 1728 the Mennonite confession of faith was translated into English and > printed by Bradford, in Philadelphia, and Gottschalk was one of the signers > testifying to the correctness of the translation. Rev. Gottschalk was a > literary man and capable of using three languages, Dutch, German, and > English. > He assisted in the translation of Van Braght's "Martyrs' Mirror" from the > Dutch into German, and in its publication by the Ephrata Cloister. He also > participated in the preparation of an English edition of a Mennonite > catechism. His will, dated in 1760, indicates that he was a man of great > age. His occupation was a wood turner. He had three sons, Gottschall, John, > and Herman. Gottschall and John were deceased at the time of his will, and > Herman was residing with him on the farm in Towamenchin Township to which > Jacob Gottschalk had moved from Germantown in 1714. Jacob Gottschalk also > had two daughters, Ann (wife of Peter GUSTARD (KUSTER), and Magdalena, wife > of William NASH, both of whom were deceased at the time of his will. > Jacob died in Towamenchin Township in 1763, at the age of ninety-seven years > and there is a memorial to him in the Towamenchin Mennonite grave yard > adjoining the Towamenchin Mennonite Church near Kulpsville. > > --Source of information: Harry ADAMS (Bedminster, PA); > Jacob Godshall [Gaetschalck Theunis] was born in Village of Goch in the > district of Cleves (then Holland) about 1666. He was baptised in the Goch > Mennonite Church in 1686. "What can be discovered about Jacob Gottschalk in > his native land?" asks Niepoth. "The only available source for this > investigation is the church record of the Mennonite Church in Goch, the > first entries of which date back to 1658. Anyone transferring from one > church to another received from his home church a church letter > (attestatie). On June 12,1701, Jacob Gottschalks and his wife were given > such a testimonial by the Mennonite Church of Goch for Pennsylvania....it > can be therefore be assumed that he arrived in Germantown in the second half > of 1701. The church record lists the marriage of Jacob Godtschalch with > Aeltien (Adelheit) Hermans under date of February 20,1689. > "Aeltien Hermans, the daughter of Herman Davits, was baptised as a Mennonite > in Goch on April 7,1686. Her father had on January 30,1667, married > Trientien (Katharine) Symons. Since girls were baptised at the age of about > 18 years, she may, as the first child of her parents, have been born toward > the close of 1667, or early in 1668. > "On the same day as his wife-to-be, Jacob Godtschalck was also baptised; > viz., April 7,1686. Since young men applied for baptism at the age of about > > 20, he was probably born in 1666. In this baptismal record his father's name > is also given. It was Gaatschalk Theunissen....Since the oldest son of this > man was called Theunis, his father's surname Theunnissen must be patronymic, > for along the lower Rhine, it was the custom, strictly followed, to give the > oldest children the names of their grandparents. Hence Gottschalk > Theunissen's father's name must have been Theunis (Thonis Antonius....). > "Jacob and also his wife have a second name, which is derived from his > father's Christian name (a patronymic). This fact leads to the deduction > that they were not among the oldest families, and that they did not possess > a house or farm with a hereditary name. The spelling of Jacob's name varies: > Gaatschalcks, Gootschalcks, Godtschalks, rarely Gaetschalks...The spelling > of names was not yet standardized as it is at the present time. He was also > called Jacob van der Heggen." > > --Source of info: Ann M Woodlief > (http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/home/godshall.htm); > Jacob arranged with the Ephrata cloister in 1745 to have them translate > (from Dutch into German) and print Thielman J. Van Braght's 1660 "Blutige > Schau-platz oder Martyrer Spiegel (The Bloody Theatre or Martyr's Mirror)", > a history of religious persecutions of Christians opposed to infant baptism > and war; the work took 15 men 3 years to finish and in 1749, at 1512 pages, > was the largest published before 1800. > His grave is unmarked; however, there is a memorial stone that reads; "In > memory of Bishop Jacob Gottshall 1670-1763. Born in Goch Germany, ordained a > bishop in the Germantown Mennonite Church in 1702 and also served the > Skippack and Towamencin congregations. He performed the first baptism and > conducted the first communion service in the American church in 1708. The > Skippack alms audits were signed by him from 1745-1757. He owned a farm of > 120 acres which included this chruch site. Undoubtedly, he is buried here > but no marker remains, therefore this marker is erected in memory of this > energetic leader." > Much of the older information and through Jacob's grandchildren come from > typed and handwritten manuscripts in the Historical Society of Montgomery > County library and are reasonably documented by deeds, wills, etc. > > More About Jacob Henricks GODTSCHALK , Bishop: > Fact 12: Woodturner and farmer in Goch, Minister in Pennsylvania > > Notes for Aeltien Symons HERMANS: > --She was born near the end of 1667 or the beginning of 1668. > --Her first name could also be spelled as ... Adelheid. > > Notes for Rosanna GODTSCHALK ???: > --Source Ed Godshall's research; "Apparently the Bishop did remarry; one of > these sources mentioned a legal document from 12 July 1770, that refers to > his widow Rosanna". > > Children of Jacob GODTSCHALK and Aeltien HERMANS are: > + 15 i. Anna7 GODSHALK, died Bef. 1760. > + 16 ii. Godshalk GODSHALK, born 1693 in Goch, Germany; died Bef. > September 26, 1748 in Towamencin Township, Pennsylvania (age 45). > + 17 iii. Jan (John) GODSHALK , Bishop, born 1695; died 1759. > + 18 iv. Herman GODSHALK, born 1698 in Goch, Germany; died 1785 in > Doylestown Mennonite Cemetery, Bucks County, Pennsylvania (age 87). > + 19 v. Magdalena GODSHALK, born Abt. 1700 in Germany; died Bef. 1760 in > Pennsylvania. > > © Copyright 1996-2001, Genealogy.com, LLC. All rights reserved. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: BLACK AND WHITE-Thought for the day Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:23:10 -0400 Thanks to Joan Cook Wallis, one of our subscribers, for sending this. = Brings back a lot of memories for me. Linda Black and White=20 > >> You could hardly see for all the snow,=20 > >> Spread the rabbit ears as far as they go.=20 > >> Pull a chair up to the TV set,=20 > >> "Good night, David; Good night, Chet".=20 > >> Dependin' on the channel you tuned=20 > >> You got Rob and Laura - or Ward and June.=20 > >> It felt so good, felt so right=20 > >> Life looked better in black and white.=20 > >> I Love Lucy, The Real McCoys=20 > >> Dennis the Menace, the Cleaver boys=20 > >> Rawhide, Gunsmoke, Wagon Train=20 > >> Superman, Lois Lane.=20 > >> Father Knows Best, Patty Duke=20 > >> Rin Tin Tin and Lassie too=20 > >> Donna Reed on Thursday night=20 > >> Life looked better in black and white.=20 > >> I wanna go back to black and white=20 > >> Everything always turned out right.=20 > >> Simple people, simple lives=20 > >> Good guys always won the fights.=20 > >> Now nothin's the way it seems=20 > >> In living color or on the screen=20 > >> I wanna go back to black and white.=20 > >> In God they trusted, in bed they slept=20 > >> A promise made was a promise kept.=20 > >> They never cussed or broke their vows=20 > >> They'd never make the network now.=20 > >> But if I could I'd rather be=20 > >> In a TV town in the '50s.=20 > >> It felt so good, felt so right=20 > >> Life looked better in black and white.=20 > >> I'd trade all the channels on the satellite=20 > >> If I could just turn back the clock tonight.=20 > >> To when everybody knew wrong from right=20 > >> Life was better in black and white.=20 >=20 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Just touching base Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:42:08 -0400 Hi Folks- Just wanted to say hello and see what everyone else is up to. I haven't had much time for genealogy lately but I still think of all my cousins. I have been busy working on our local Historical Society's annual Historic Homes Tour again. It will be held on December 8th but there is lots to do before hand. Wondering if any of you have family members who may have been called up or in any way serving in the Armed Forces during this attack on Afghanistan? I think we are going to be in this for a long haul. What do you guys think? Hope everyone is well. Let's hear from you all. Linda from Kentucky-- first frost last night! Down to 34 degrees last night and up in the 60's today. Leaves turning already. Beautiful. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Rootsweb World Connect entriy Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:00:01 -0400 Hi Folks- To get right to the point----I'm a little perturbed right now. Yesterday I received my regular Rootsweb Review via email and noticed that Ancestry.com and Rootsweb's World Connect have combined all their entries from GedCom files to make it very large now. I have expressed my displeasure before about some of the false information that is being put on sites such as these. However, there are some entries that are very good and it's a great way to further one's research with clues to be documented. So I browsed around the entries for GUDGEL and someone named Robert Wright has entered an awful lot of information on my lines all the way down to me and my husband, Gary. And he made a note that telling the world where I reside--complete address. Isn't there some sort of privacy clause about living person's? In today's world of person's identities being stolen I really think one needs to be careful. I have emailed this Mr. Wright and asked him to remove my address. Who in the world is this Mr. Wright? And who gave him the right to put this information on the web? And where did he get it? Thank you for letting me blow off a little steam . Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More on Rootsweb's World Connect entries Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:19:37 -0400 I just wnet back again and browsed a little more. A gal named Shannon Walker has posted the 3 wives of Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. as: Catherine Sevedge- marr. 1745 Barbara HOCH Elizabeth PAYNE I have emailed her also and asked for her documentation of the last name and the year and location. I have spent years at this and these people come up with all this information without any documentation. I am really hacked off about this (as if you couldn't tell). . I will shut up for now. Guess I've said enough. Linda- from Kentucky- not always sweet and easy going, down home temperment. Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:53:10 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Rootsweb World Connect entriy Thanks Linda for getting to some of the roots of the Rootsweb problem. Please keep us informed of what you learn and how it is handled. Dianne Gudgel-Hollmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi Folks- > > To get right to the point----I'm a little perturbed right now. Yesterday I From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Rootsweb World Connect entriy Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:22:25 -0700 Linda, I think that I corresponded with Robert Wright in 1998 and he is a distant TEEL relative. He did not have e-mail then and his address was 1213 Perry, Wichita, KS 67203, phone number (316)263-7616. I checked and he has my address and phone number on the records too! I'm not sure how it is when you enter your GEDCOM on one of these sites, since I haven't done it, though I've thought about it. Early on, when Roots Web started it, I think you had the option of putting in your notes or not putting in your notes. I had figured that if I did it, I would not put in my notes because there might be things that I didn't want the world to know about, and if anyone wanted my sources they could e-mail me. Now with the combined entries, I don't know what might have come in from Ancestry. I also thought there was some effort not to put living people in, but that doesn't seem to apply with his data. You might try and contact RootsWeb. Nancy Teel Miller From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: An interesting Gudgel web search method... Google (the search engine) I see has updated it's search capabilities and it's kind of interesting. Go to images.google.com and search for gudgel, or, just go to this site http://images.google.com/images?num=20&hl=en&q=gudgel&btnG=Google+Search Lots of pictures, somehow related to "Gudgel". Sometimes they have nothing to do with Gudgel, but, it's neat to check it out. boB (Everett WA) From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re. interesting site Well, I guess there weren't as many actual pages as I first thought that come up on this images.google.com site, but it's still pretty neat. Good for all sorts of pix I guess. boB Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:48:18 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Faith and Chris Taylor , Bob Gudgel , Dianne Gudgel/Holmes , Loren Holmes , robin Gudgel , Tom Gudgel Subject: Loyal Gudgel Loyal Gudgel, my brother, died this morning about 4 AM in the Veterans Hospital in Seattle. He was born Nov. 7 1917 in Atoka Oklahoma. His mother was Nellie Bea Fergerson Gudgel and Father Marion Floyd Gudgel. He had had a heart valve replaced 3 years ago and it began to give him trouble recently. At the same time Ruth, his wife, went to the local hospital and had a bowl obstruction removed. Loyal spent time in the Paratroopers in WW2. She is doing fine. She came home today and is living with her daughter Leila Sterba of Federal Way Washington. She lives at 32608 Pacific Highway South Federal Way WA 98003. Loyal and Ruth had two girls Leila and Sheila Rodrequiz and several grandchildren. I'll stop for now if you want any more details email me. Funeral services are pending. Doyal Gudgel From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:14:47 EDT Subject: Larry To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Still here for the time being, but deployment bag is packed. Maj Larry Gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Deployment Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:15:45 -0400 Hi Larry- Do you have any idea when/where you will be going? Please keep us posted. And what type of unit are you in? Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: PA and Maryland's Mason-Dixon Line Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:28:50 -0400 Hi Folks- Some time ago we discussed the fact that Andrew GUDGEL, Jr. was said to be born in Baltimore, Maryland. I believe this came from census records. And we discussed the reason his birth was listed as Baltimore, MD was because of the dispute and clarity of where the Mason-Dixon line actually was. I found this item dated August 29, 1879 in some old newspaper clippings of the Bluegrass Clipper. This newspaper was printed in Midway, KY which is part of Woodford Co., KY, where I live: August 29,1879....The first English colonies were settled under a grant from King James I in 1606. The line was about between Pennsylvania and Maryland and the northern part was called New England by Captain John Smith in 1614, with the southern part retaining the name of Virginia. King James revoked both charters in 1624, leaving everything unsettled and open to the granting of new charters. In 1629 George Calvert, Lord Baltimore and later his son, in 1632, got a charter from King Charles I. A dispute of the actual line between Maryland and Pennsylvania continued from about 1681 until 1768. At this later date, Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon laid out their famous line which is the parallel of latitude 39 degrees, 43 minutes and 26.3 seconds. It subsequently firmed the line between free and slave states. The line properly begins at the northeast corner of Maryland and runs due west. *********************************************************************** Not sure that this is of any help but at least we get an idea of when the line was actually determined. Maybe something we can use at a later date. Linda From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:44:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Daily Gate City: News Column I thought the Gudgel cousins might like to know that the Keokuk, Iowa, mayoral contest is starting and having a bit of a problem. The candidates signs are dissappearing! The Gudgel candidate is David Gudgel. His father and my mother were first cousins. Ardath Potts Ardath Potts http://www.dailygate.com/display/inn_news/news6.txt Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:06:02 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: PA and Maryland's Mason-Dixon Line Linda, We got the information about Andrew Jar's birth place from an Anderson County History book of some sort. He was not alive by the time the census records recorded place of birth I think. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi Folks- > Some time ago we discussed the fact that Andrew GUDGEL, Jr. was said to be >... From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:34:09 EDT Subject: Re: Deployment To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Still here. A lot of friends already gone though. Larrry To: GudgelDoc@cs.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:35:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Deployment Hello Larry, What Branch of the Service are you in. I was in the U.S. Marine Corps (1969-1971). Have a great week, Bill Gudgel, in Evansville, IN On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:34:09 EDT GudgelDoc@cs.com writes: > Still here. > A lot of friends already gone though. > Larry > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Need email address of Dr. Edward GUDGEL, Fort Myers, FL Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:29:01 -0400 Hi Folks- I am leaving in the morning for Ft. Myers, FL to meet up with my brother, Sam GUDGEL, and we will visit this week with my younger brother, Windy GUDGEL. Would like for Dr. Edward GUDGEL to contact me. Maybe we can get together for a meeting of the cousins! I met with Harriel GUDGEL of Lexington, and his brother, Paul GUDGEL, of Lago Vista, Texas several weeks ago. It's great to meet with the cousins and finally put a facre with a name. This is about all I have accomplished this summer it seems . Has anyone else recently met a long lost GUDGEL cousin? I'll leave Friday morning very early (flying) from Lexington to Ft. Myers so I will be offline awhile unless I find a computer to send you guys a message. Sam may have his lap top with him. I'm not crazy about flying right now but Gary doesn't want to drive it--so keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Will be back in touch soon. >From Linda in Kentucky- Sunny and colorful fall weather, windy and a cold front coming in--I'm glad I'm heading to warmer weather for a few days! Down in the 20's by the weekend they say. From: Jckwll@cs.com Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:35:04 EDT Subject: Butcher, Bertha Gudgell Hello Folks: A genealogy fellow sent this to me knowing that the Gudgel surname was in my husband's lineage. Did you receive this also? Thanks, Joan Cook Wallis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OBITS: Butcher, Bertha Gudgell , 1939, Bath Co., Kentucky ----------------------------------------------------- Contributed for use in USGENWEB Archives by: From: "Darrell Warner" Date: Sunday, October 22, 2001 10:22 AM ------------------------------------------------------ **************************************************************************** USGENWEB NOTICE: In keeping with our policy of providing free genealogical information on the Internet, data may be freely used for personal research and by non-commercial entities as long as this message remains on all copied material. These electronic pages may not be reproduced in any format or presentation by other organizations or persons. Persons or organizations desiring to use this material for profit or any form of presentation, must obtain the written consent of the file submitter, or his legal representative and then contact the listed USGENWEB archivist with proof of this consent. The submitter has given permission to http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/bath/bathnews/b326001.txt http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb. **************************************************************************** Bertha Gudgell Butcher Bath County News-Outlook Thursday, June 22, 1939 Long Illness Fatal To Mrs. Lee Butcher Funeral Services Held Wednesday Afternoon Mrs. Bertha Gudgell Butcher, 50 years old, passed away at her home on the Reynoldsville road early Monday morning, June 19, after a several years' illness. Her condition had been considered critical for several weeks and her passing, while a severe shock to her family and friends, was not unexpected. A native of this county, she was a daughter of Mr. and Mrs. George H. Gudgell, born October 5, 1888. A member of a prominent and well known Bath county family, Mrs.Butcher was widely connected throughout this county and enjoyed the esteem of a host of friends in all walks of life. Besides her husband, George Lee Butcher, she is survived by four sons, Earl Butcher, New Castle, Ind.; Ewell Butcher, Vanceburg; Bryan and Gene Butcher, of Bath county; her parents, Mr. and Mrs. George H. Gudgell; two brothers, O. S. Gudgell, Paris, and Wallace Gudgell, of near Wyoming. Funeral services were held Wednesday afternoon, June 21, in the chapel of Shrout, Piper & Shrout's funeral home, conducted by the Rev. George C. Frey, pastor of the Owingsville Christian church. Interment was in the family lot in the Owingsville Cemetery. Pall bearers were: active, Noel Gudgell, Billie Gudgell, Austin Gudgell, Norman Butcher, Norval Maddox, Herman Snedegar, Obert Garner and Raymond Butcher; honorary, Claude Maddox, Claudie Butcher, Tom Willie Butcher, George Snedegar, Ollie Riddle, William Roberts, Ed Daugherty, Sam Conyers, Dr. J. W. Lester, Dr. F. P. Gudgell, Gano Butcher and George W. Boyd. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Sarah Ellen GUDGELL and Thornton W. SNELLING Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 22:39:48 -0500 Hi Folks- I'm back from vacation now. Had a wonderful time but always glad to get back home. Had no problems flying and security appeared thorough, but not a problem. I got an email from a Lisa Snelling who needs more information on her Bath Co., KY line as follows: "Thornton W. SNELLING married Sarah Ellen GUDGELL August 16, 1870 Bath Co., KY. Sarah was born around 1850 to Joseph and Ann GUDGELL. I would love to learn more about GUDGELL's if you have any info. on this family. Lisa Snelling" I think this is the line of Joseph GUDGELL (1822-1903) and Minerva Ann BUSBY (1822-1905)of Bath Co., KY. I have a daughter, Sally, which may be her Sarah, but no date of birth. I also had info. from an obituary that she married a Joe HIXSON, but she may have married more than once. A lot of this family is buried in the Bethel Cemetery in Bath Co. Can anyone else help with this family? I will forward the info. on to her if you will share it with the list. (BTW, this Joseph is the son of Allen GUDGELL and Rebecca REED/REID). Later, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Oops! GUDGELL/SNELLING info. Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 23:27:52 -0500 I made an error in my last email about Sarah GUDGELL and Thornton SNELLING. I said my information is that Sally GUDGELL married Joe HIXSON- not so------ Sally married John HEWITT. It was her sister, Teressa, who married Joe HIXSON. I think my mind is still on vacation : ) Linda From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:40:09 EST Subject: Re: Sarah Ellen GUDGELL and Thornton W. SNELLING To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Linda; The material that I have has basically the same information as yours, showing a daughter Sally, but also showing that she married a John HEWITT rather than Joe HIXSON. This is information I picked from my Aunt Pearl GUDGEL BROKOFSKY and I have no documentation for it, so no help here. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:47:14 EST Subject: Re: Oops! GUDGELL/SNELLING info. To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com My Oops also. I didn't read Linda's second message before I send mine. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Thornton Snelling and Sarah Ellen Gudgell Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 10:43:48 -0800 Hello Cousins, Maybe this is old news, but this is what I have for Sarah Ellen and her siblings taken from Bath Co. Ky. 1860 and 1870 Census, Bethel Prct. Rec. 236 and 150 respectively. Joseph GUDGELL father Minerva "Ann" BUSBY, Mother 1870 Census Sarah E. age 21 Lewis C. age 20 Mary E. age 18 Matthew age 15 Lucy age 14 Louisa? Bell age 12 Terissa age 10 b. 4 Jul 1859, birth records from Darrell Warner Ida age 5 Hope this helps Vivian Linda wrote: I got an email from a Lisa Snelling who needs more information on her Bath Co., KY line as follows: "Thornton W. SNELLING married Sarah Ellen GUDGELL August 16, 1870 Bath Co., KY. Sarah was born around 1850 to Joseph and Ann GUDGELL. I would love to learn more about GUDGELL's if you have any info. on this family. Lisa Snelling" I think this is the line of Joseph GUDGELL (1822-1903) and Minerva Ann BUSBY (1822-1905)of Bath Co., KY. I have a daughter, Sally, which may be her Sarah, but no date of birth. I also had info. from an obituary that she married a Joe HIXSON, but she may have married more than once. A lot of this family is buried in the Bethel Cemetery in Bath Co. Can anyone else help with this family? I will forward the info. on to her if you will share it with the list. (BTW, this Joseph is the son of Allen GUDGELL and Rebecca REED/REID). Later, Linda From: "connie Phillips" Subject: Ron Gudgel Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:55:08 -0500 Ron Gudgel--- passed away on Friday Nov 2 . He was in the Crown Point Hospital again but I do not know all the details yet. We just returned from St Johns Island USVI around midnight last night so I will send details as soon as I receive them. Service is Tuesday in Crown Point, IN. Connie Gudgel Phillips Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:09:03 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: connie Phillips Subject: Re: Ron Gudgel Connie, Thanks for the information and please do keep us updated and who we might send cards to. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes connie Phillips wrote: > Ron Gudgel--- passed away on Friday Nov 2 . He was in the Crown Point > Hospital again but I do not know all the details yet. > We just returned from St Johns Island USVI around midnight last night so I > will send details as soon as I receive them. Service is Tuesday in Crown > Point, IN. > Connie Gudgel Phillips From: "connie Phillips" Subject: Info for Ron Gudgel Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:12:29 -0500 For those cousins that have requested info and addresses: The service for Ron Gudgel is Tuesday in Crown Point. Sorry I don't know the name of the church but will forward the details later. Ron's wife/ Ruby Gudgel 851 W. 97th Court Crown Point, IN 46307 Ron's Son: Ronald G. Gudgel 4517 Glenarm Drive Indianapolis, IN 46254 Daughter: Robin (Dennis) Burk 111 Sylvan Drive Valpariso, IN 46383 burkrobin@hotmail.com only Brother: Ernie and Helen Gudgel 117 Belmont Road Madison, WI 57716 ( Ernie is the oldest (75 I think) of Ernest and Faye Gudgel sons and now the only one living) I have requested a obit and will forward it to one of you when I receive a copy. Thanks to all of you for your requests for information and condolences. I will forward them on to the immediate family as soon as I receive them. Connie Gudgel Phillips Aiken, South Carolina From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:12:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: Fwd: Daily Gate City: News Column --WebTV-Mail-13134-9 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit David Gudgel swept over three opponents to win the Keokuk, IA mayoral race. He garnered over a thousand more votes than the incumbent. Keokuk is a Mississippi River town of roughly 11,000 inhabitants. You can check their local newspaper to find out more. Ardath Potts From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:44:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Daily Gate City: News Column I thought the Gudgel cousins might like to know that the Keokuk, Iowa, mayoral contest is starting and having a bit of a problem. The candidates signs are dissappearing! The Gudgel candidate is David Gudgel. His father and my mother were first cousins. Ardath Potts Ardath Potts http://www.dailygate.com/display/inn_news/news6.txt From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Happy Turkey Day!! Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:57:16 -0500 Hi Folks- Just wanted to say hello and wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. I'm having my family here for our traditional Thanksgiving dinner on Saturday. With one daughter married and one with a serious boyfriend, we are are learning to divide the holidays a little more. Hope everyone has a nice holiday. Linda from Kentucky 27 degrees tonight and high of 42 tomorrow. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Double Dog Dare Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:06:51 -0500 To all my GUDGEL Cousins- To take a break from our grown-up life and bring back some great memories, just read the following. Everyone have a great Thanksgiving. Linda > > Double Dog Dare > > I am sharing this with you today because it ended > with a "double dog dare" to pass it on. If you remember > what that means, you understand. If you don't know what > that means, read on and see what you missed. And > remember that the perfect age is somewhere between > old enough to know better and young enough not to > care. How many do you remember? > > 1. Candy cigarettes > > 2. Wax coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar > water inside. > > 3. Soda pop machines that dispensed glass > bottles. > > 4. Coffee shops with table side juke boxes > > 5. Blackjack, Clove and Teaberry chewing gum > > 6. Home milk delivery in glass bottles, with > cardboard stoppers. > > 7. Party lines. > > 8. Newsreels before the movie. > > 9. P. F. Flyers > > 10. Butch wax > > 11. Telephone numbers with a word prefix > ...(Drexel-5505) > > 12. Pea shooters. > > 13. Howdy Doody > > 14. 45 RPM Records > > 15. Green Stamps > > 16. Hi-fi's > > 17. Metal ice cube trays-with levers > > 18. Mimeograph paper > > 19. Blue Flash Bulbs > > 20. Beanie and Cecil > > 21. Roller skate keys > > 22. Cork pop guns > > 23. Drive ins > > 24. Studebakers > > 25. Wash tub wringers > > 26. The Fuller Brush man > > 27. Reel-to-reel tape recorders > > 28. Tinker toys > > 29. The Erector Set > > 30. The Fort Apache Play set > > 31. Lincoln Logs > > 32. 15 cent McDonald hamburgers > > 33. 5 cent packs of baseball cards ... with that > awful pink slab of bubble gum > > 34. Penny candy > > 35. 35 cent-a-gallon gasoline > > A TIME WHEN ... > > * Decisions were made by going > "eeny-meeny-miney-mo." > > * Mistakes were corrected by simply exclaiming > "do over!" > > * "Race issue" meant arguing about who ran the > fastest. > > > * Catching the fireflies could happily occupy an > entire evening. > > * It wasn't odd to have two or three "best" > friends. > > * The worst thing you could catch from the > opposite sex was "cooties." > > * Having a weapon in school meant being caught > with a slingshot. > > * A foot of snow was a dream come true. > > * Saturday morning cartoons weren't 30-minute > ads for action figures. > > * "Oly-oly-oxen-free" made perfect sense. > > * Spinning around, getting dizzy, and falling > down was cause for giggles. > > * The worst embarrassment was being picked last > for a team. > > * War was a card game. > > * Water balloons were the ultimate weapon. > > * Baseball cards in the spokes transformed any > bike into a motorcycle. > > * Taking drugs meant orange-flavored chewable > aspirin. > > * If you can remember most or all of these, then > you have lived!!!! > > * Pass this on to anyone who may need a break > from their "grown up" life. > > I double dog dare ya!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > From: "Stephen" Subject: Happy T Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:14:51 +0100 Happy Thanksgiving to all the cousins! Stephen Barcelona From: Bob Gudgel Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:58:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Happy Thanksgiving ! Yes, Happy Turkey day and Thanksgiving to all! Linda, looks like you have some rain to be thankful for in Kentucky I see on the news... I think Double Dog Dare was a term a little before my time. Not too far, I think I heard that on leave it to beaver or something. Also, we're getting bounced mail from randr@netnitco.net so if anyone knows... Happy day to all! boB Everett, WA From dianeh@corecom.net Thu Nov 22 12:56:49 2001 Received: from home.corecom.net (home.corecom.net [216.47.0.11]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21358; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:56:48 -0800 Received: from corecom.net (anc02-142.corecom.net [216.47.2.142]) by home.corecom.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAMKraI06729; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:53:37 -0900 (AKST) Message-ID: <3BFD66E1.C90AC44D@corecom.net> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:58:09 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes Reply-To: dianeh@corecom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Gudgel CC: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving ! References: <200111221858.KAA20498@eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes Linda, that Double Dog Dare did bring back memories although I don't recall that name. In fact I recall 99% of those things, but I'm not sure I wanted to be reminded of that because that means I'm really really old. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes in warm (ish) Alaska 30 degrees F Bob Gudgel wrote: > Yes, Happy Turkey day and Thanksgiving to all! > Linda, looks like you have some rain to be thankful for > in Kentucky I see on the news... > I think Double Dog Dare was a term a little before my time. > Not too far, I think I heard that on leave it to beaver or something. > Also, we're getting bounced mail from randr@netnitco.net > so if anyone knows... > Happy day to all! > boB > Everett, WA Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:58:09 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving ! Yes Linda, that Double Dog Dare did bring back memories although I don't recall that name. In fact I recall 99% of those things, but I'm not sure I wanted to be reminded of that because that means I'm really really old. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes in warm (ish) Alaska 30 degrees F Bob Gudgel wrote: > Yes, Happy Turkey day and Thanksgiving to all! <<>> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:39:57 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: George Washington's Thanksgiving speech From Spark's Washington, Vol. XII, p. 119 The following background information was submitted by Wayne Winters of Pocatello, Idaho. Shortly after the Thanksgiving Proclamation was written it was lost for over a hundred years. It was apparently misplaced or attached to some private papers in the process of moving official records from one city to another when the capital was changed. However, it happened the original manuscript was not in the official archives until 1921 when Dr. J. C. Fitzpatrick, then assistant chief of the manuscripts division of the Library of Congress "found" the proclamation. It was at an auction sale being held at an art gallery in New York. It was written in long hand by Wm. Jackson, secretary to President Washington and was signed by George Washington. Dr Fitzpatrick purchased the document for $300.00 for the Library of Congress, where it now resides. ===== [START] The Speech Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:" Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted' for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us. And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have show kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best. Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d dy of October, A.D. 1789. G. Washington [END] From: "connie Phillips" Subject: Happy Thanksgiving Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:03:03 -0500 Dear Cousins, I hope you all are as full and content as we are right now after eating our Thanksgiving meal. I probably won't be interested in eating for awhile. What good food and fun to be together though. I only had our daughter and family this year because we also have to share with our Son's In Laws but with non family members and friends make it special. Connie G. Phillips Aiken, SC P.S. Bob, RandR@nitnetco.com was Ron Gudgel who just passed away. I don't think Ruby is much for the computer so probably disconnected the service. Sorry I should have notified you. Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:03:55 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: connie Phillips Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving I'm hungry again Doyal g connie Phillips wrote: > > Dear Cousins, > > I hope you all are as full and content as we are right now after eating etc... From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Double Dog Dare Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:52:05 -0500 Aw gee, Diane- Don't you remember as a kid hearing... "I dare you!...I Double Dog Dare You! (to do something) ? I remember it well . Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Holmes" To: "Bob Gudgel" Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving ! > Yes Linda, that Double Dog Dare did bring back memories although I don't > recall that name. In fact I recall 99% of those things, but I'm not sure > I wanted to be reminded of that because that means I'm really really old. > > Dianne Gudgel-Holmes in warm (ish) Alaska 30 degrees F > > Bob Gudgel wrote: > > > Yes, Happy Turkey day and Thanksgiving to all! > > Linda, looks like you have some rain to be thankful for > > in Kentucky I see on the news... > > I think Double Dog Dare was a term a little before my time. > > Not too far, I think I heard that on leave it to beaver or something. > > Also, we're getting bounced mail from randr@netnitco.net > > so if anyone knows... > > Happy day to all! > > boB > > Everett, WA > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Sarah GUDGEL and Jacob STUCKER Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:15:59 -0500 I'm wondering if anyone has more information to add to this family than I have. Some I have information on and some I have little more than a name. Any Wills, dates, children, locations, death dates/locations, where these familes went, etc. would be helpful. Sarah GUDGEL, d/o Andrew GUDGEL, Sr., was b. abt. 1770 (PA?), and d. after 1819 (Jefferson Co., IN?). (Where buried?). She marr. Jacob STUCKER in Woodford Co., KY (forgot to look at the date, but I have it). Jacob was b. 1768 Northampton Co., PA, d. 1844 Jefferson Co., IN. (Where buried?) They had the following children (all marr. in Jefferson Co., IN I believe, except the first child, Margaret): Margaret-b. 1791; marr. Clark Co., IN to Samuel ALEXANDER. Elizabeth-b. 1794; marr. Jas. McKINLEY. Andrew-b. 1795; Mary (Polly)-b. 1798; marr, Jacob FIX. Jacob-b. 1800; George-b. 1802; marr. Sophia DAVIS. Catherine-b. 1804; marr. Hardy ROBINSON. Lucretia-b. 1806; marr. Abraham BOWMAN. Sarah-b. 1808 Reason-b. 1811; marr. Melissa KINEAR Thanks for any input. Linda From: "Lori Haupt" Subject: Help Wanted! Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 0:26:26 -0800 Calling all computer whiz's: How do I find an email address for: Richard Wayne Gudgel Sr. He is the son of Otto A. Gudgel and Edith Chaistain/Gudgel I know he lives in Wilton, CA And has a business called Gudgel/Yancy Co. located in Sacramento, CA He is my father and I would like to start writing to him. I don't think I can just pick up the telephone and call. (Stepmother Static) if you know what I mean... Thanks for any help, Lori Gudgel/Haupt From: EGudgel@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:35:49 EST Subject: Air Travel Thanksgiving 2001 To: Jgudgel719@cs.com, whereii@hotmail.com, rgg@gfdl.gov, arainbowofmyown@yahoo.com CC: rgudgel@pct.edu, DubaLeibell@aol.com, Meade455@cs.com, RPru102352@aol.com, btrslyblue@gibralter.net, lesglen@ioa.com, nfn15763@naples.net, tytayna@hotmail.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Arrived home after learning of air travel to Reagan Airport and return to Fort Myers. New standards: 1. Show your tickets and photo license at least 4 times 2. Expect a closed waiting room at all for Washington Reagan Airport visitors. 3. Must stay in seat 30 minutes after taking off and before landings. Question 1. Is cockpit door barred ans, yes. 2 Is there a Marshall aboard? ans. we are not allowed to answer that. Problem encountered 1 on takeoff from Washington..after boarding was told security breached! All passengers removed from plane,plane searched with dog etc. Had to go through 4 steps of reboarding. Problem caused by passenger leaving secured area to kiss boy friend. Delay 1 hour. Result missed next flight in Miami. Rescheduled next flight 2+ hrs later. Bussed to plane after 4 security checks but at plane told Plane troubles bussed back. After only 35 minutes OK back thru security to new Plane and home safely and with baggage. Sad news on arrival home. Beloved Buffalo Bills blew a 21-0 lead. PS We had a wonderful Thanksgiving with all 4 of my children Anne Sottile, Patricia Gudgel, John Gudgel and Richard Gudgel and 4 of my grandchildren Robert and Daniel Sottile, Jackie Gudgel and Laura. Kate Williams was in Taiwan and sent an Email. Love to all Ed Gudgel From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Land trial records 1819 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:49:47 -0800 Cousins, Does anybody have a copy of the Land Trial Records of 1819 which lists the heirs of Andrew Gudgel Sr.? I would like to add it to my file as documentation for the children of Old Andrew. It was supposed to be filed in Woodford Co KY. Maybe Linda Gudgel Finnel has found it. Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Land Trial Records and other stuff. Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:28:38 -0500 Vivian- I do have copies of the original Land Trial Records which are at the Kentucky Archives. I have also transcribed them (26 handwritten pages!) and thought my eyesight was really getting bad before I finally got through them! I have yet to find the other two suits-suppose to be three suits in all. I have heard that one is at the courthouse in Harrodsburg, Mercer Co., KY (that's where the first KY courts were held-at Fort Boonesboro). Just haven't gotten over there to do that. The other one- (maybe the final one may be in Gibson Co., IN?). Not sure why it would be there since the others were in KY. I would think the one I have from Woodford Co., KY may be the 2nd one filed. I could be wrong. Won't know till I find the others. You also asked for copies of marriage bonds but I can't remember which one's you needed. Was it for John GUDGEL and Elizabeth HARBISON? I am 12 days away from our Historic Holiday Homes Tour and I'm ready to get it on the road! I'll be taking off next week to finalize everything so I should have a couple of days I can make your copies. Just tell me what you want. BTW-I found a nice piece of GUDGEL History on eBay and got the final bid- A letterhead from 1906 Cattle Breeder's Assoc. to Fort Worth, TX-and it has Charles GUDGELL's name on it. Not a signature but as a member of this association. Maybe I can get Bill to display it in the next newsletter or Bob could scan it into our picture page on the GUDGEL website. (Charles GUDGELL was out of the Bath Co., KY lines). I guess everyone has read about the GUDGELL/SIMPSON hereford cattle breeding stock. So has everyone recorvered from all that wonderful, rich and fattening Thanksgiving food? Wasn't it great? More later, Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Land Trials of Andrew Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:16:54 -0800 Thanks, Linda, That sounds like a lot of work! Twenty six pages! Do you have the suit that names Andrew Gudgel's heirs? If you do, could you scan the page or pages that list his children? I'm interested in confirming that Jane or Jean was his child and if she married Henry Stucker. Ron Stocker thinks Henry married a Jane Gotschall before he married Lydia Ann Gudgel, Daniel's daughter. I'm thinking he may have married Jane gudgel, Andrew Sr.'s daughter, and when she died he married Lydia Ann, Daniel's daughter. The marriage bonds that I would like are between Sarah Gudgel and Jacob Stucker and Lydia Ann Gudgel and Henry Stucker. If you can scan them, you could send as attachments to me. Or send them to Bob to put in the photo archives. Thanks Vivian Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:36:44 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Land Trial Records and other stuff. Linda, Do I recall that the names on the law suit didn't totally match what we know about Old Andrew's kids? I think there were some grandkids thrown in there by that date and a few who we had question marks about? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Vivian- > I do have copies of the original Land Trial Records which are at the > Kentucky Archives. I have also transcribed them (26 handwritten pages!) and <<>> From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Maiden names Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:14:50 -0800 Hello Cousins, I thought this was interesting. It might apply to some of the gudgel(l) deeds. I wonder if it applied to wills, too? Vivian ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- Subject: Great help for maiden name research!!! Just got this on one of my lists, and thought it was worth passing on. ~~~dee The following is from a Minnesota Genealogical Newsletter. "In the lower left corner of most old deeds you will find two to four witnesses. The first one is always from the husband's side, the next two from the wife's side. That is to protect her one-half dower rights under the law. Nothing you will ever use will give greater clues to maiden names". From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Maiden names Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:21:57 -0800 Hi, I knew it was too good to be true! I read a little farther down the page and got this debunk from a lady named Marie. Sorry, I get carried away sometimes! Vivian Marie wrote: > The following is from a Minnesota Genealogical Newsletter. "In the > lower left corner of most old deeds you will find two to four witnesses. The > first one is always from the husband's side, the next two from the > wife's side. That is to protect her one-half dower rights under the > law. > Nothing you will ever use will give greater clues to maiden names". This is one of those "genealogy myths" that has gotten such a firm hold that it can't be stamped out. As you can see, even genealogy magazines and newsletters print it! Witnesses to deeds were not always from the husband's and wife's families. These names might be good ones to check if you are absolutely out of ideas, but that's about it. If a deed was executed at home, there is a good chance that the witnesses were neighbors, and people often chose their spouses from among neighbors. But you also find witnesses who lived at great distances - even other counties - because they were gathered together at the courthouse for court day. You see neighbors who were not related at all. Sometimes a witness really was a relative, but with a different surname, or a relative by marriage. Lots of times you will see older children of the couple as witnesses (you only had to be 14 or so to witness a deed). I know how valuable deed and will witnesses can be, for I have just discovered a long lost sister of a prominent 18th century man because she witnessed a power of attorney to him. The reason we were able to substantiate her as a sister was because she, her husband, or her daughter appeared in other deeds, but it was still like putting together a puzzle with missing pieces. I examined the witnesses to the 35 major land transactions this man was involved in. Fortunately we know his wife's name from other records, because no members of her immediate family ever witnessed a single document. In one there was a witness who might have been a distant cousin, (there were quite a few men with the same name). None were related to the husband (alas!) until his oldest son was old enough to be a witness. --Marie From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 2 21:40:33 2001 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA25417; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:40:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:40:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c17bbb$a9d9ab40$4316fc9e@lindascomputer> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: C.H. GUDGEL, Seymour, Indiana Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:30:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <"XiDxz2.0.uC6.p0n2y"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2208 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks- I found another GUDGEL item on eBay recently and although I didn't bid on it, I did print out the picture to save. It was a store token for "C.H. GUDGEL, Seymour, Indiana". The reverse side said it was good for 5 cents in merchandise. I watched it a few days to see how high it would go but the sale ended before I got back to it. It sold for $21.50. There are lots of collectors out there for any kind of tokens it seems. Does anyone know who this C.H. GUDGEL was? Also, what county is Seymour, Indiana? And to Vivian- Thanks for watching out for all these clues (re: the deeds, etc.). It's such a "high" when we think we've found something! And we've all been there . Guess that's what keeps us searching. I've been really sick this weekend with a bad cold. One of those that racks the body. Hope everyone else is doing okay. Linda from Kentucky sunny warm days, cool nights. From: "Sandra Weir" Subject: Re: C.H. Gudgel, Seymour, Indiana Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:26:38 -0500 Linda, The city of Seymour is in Jackson County, Indiana - 3 miles west of = I-65, about midway between Louisville and Indianapolis. =20 Sandy Weir Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:06:29 -0500 From: MAXWELL_HOWARD_H@Lilly.com Subject: Re: C.H. GUDGEL, Seymour, Indiana To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Linda, You asked about the county for Seymour, Indiana and I see you've received an answer, but here's a handy website I use quite often. It answers "county questions" for the entire United States. Howard Maxwell Indianapolis http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/townco.cgi From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: C.H. Gudgel Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:59:26 -0800 Linda, I have two Charles H. Gudgel's in my database. 1. born 1853, son of John, son of John, son of Andrew Sr. 2. born 20 Nov 1871.son of Shelby, son of John, son of John, son of Andrew Sr. I have the families in Indiana. Don't know the town or their wives. There is a Charles Henry born 5 aug 1876, son of Jacob, son of William, son of Andrew Sr. Wife was Grace Nichols. This family was from around KS or OK. Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: C.H. GUDGEL store-Seymour, IN Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:04:30 -0500 Thanks to Sandra for letting me know the county. And Howard sent me a nice reference for finding information such as this. Thanks guys. So far, no one has come forward knowing who this C.H. GUDGEL is. I checked out the Jackson Co., IN GenWeb page last night but found nothing on GUDGEL. Forgot to tell you- if anyone wants to take a peak at this token you can find it on eBay as Item# 1030773824. Not sure how much longer the picture will be there. Later, Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Seymour, Jackson Co Ind. Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:50:35 -0800 Hi, I found a terrific site for Indiana research. It covers Jackson co. and the surrounding Co.s of Jefferson, Bartholomew, Jennings etc. The address is: http://home.att.net/~Local_History/Jackson-Co-IN.htm Good hunting! Vivian Gudgell From: "nancy miller" To: "Vivian Gudgell" , Subject: Re: C.H. Gudgel Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:25:58 -0800 Vivian and Linda, I think you're on the right trail. It was probably Vivian's #1, since in the 1880 census he was in Seymour, Jackson Co., IN and he was listed there as a grocer. His brother Shelby (father of your #2) was also there in 1880 and also listed as a grocer. Suggest they might have been in the business together. #1 had a wife Delila at that time. #2 married Bessie A. Doughty 19 Dec 1893 in Scott Co., IN. Nancy Teel Miller -----Original Message----- From: Vivian Gudgell To: Gudgel-list Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:03 PM Subject: Re: C.H. Gudgel >Linda, >I have two Charles H. Gudgel's in my database. >1. born 1853, son of John, son of John, son of Andrew Sr. >2. born 20 Nov 1871.son of Shelby, son of John, son of John, son of Andrew Sr. >I have the families in Indiana. Don't know the town or their wives. > >There is a Charles Henry born 5 aug 1876, son of Jacob, son of William, son of Andrew Sr. Wife was Grace Nichols. >This family was from around KS or OK. > >Vivian Gudgell > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Chanrles H. Gudgel store token - Jennings Co., IN Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:07:07 -0500 I think I have narrowed it down to Charles H. Gudgel, b. abt. 1853 Graham Twp., Jennings Co., IN, d. bef. 1894, son of John GUDGEL and Mary GREEN> John GUDGEL and Jean HARBISON>Andrew, Sr. Children of John GUDGEL and Mary GREEN were: Shelby Grafton-b. 1841 IN America- b. 1845 Spencer Twp., Jennings Co., IN Emaretta-b. 1847 IN Sarah-b. 1849 Jane-b. 1851 IN Charles H.-b. abt. 1853 Graham Twp., Jefferson Co., IN Emily-b. abt. 1855 IN Mary-b. 1857 IN Theresa-b. 1859 IN James-b. 1861 Sarah does not appear in the 1860 Census of Graham Twp., Jefferson Co., IN. with the rest of these children. Maybe she died? Does anyone have the census records for this family for 1870 and 1880 ? Does anyone have dates of death, locations, and/or spouses of these children excluding Shelby Grafton GUDGEL? I have his family data already. Would love to know about this store in Jennings Co., IN. BTW, the eBay auction doesn't end till today so you might still want to put in a bid if anyone is interested. I was mistaken about it ending yesterday and looking at the wrong item. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Gudgel burials Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:54:18 -0800 Hi, Here are some Gudgel's from Indiana. Bethany Cemetery Bethany Church (Baptist) Graham Township, Jefferson County, Indiana Section 19 T4N R8E 1941 D.A.R. Survey, transcribed by Peggy Wilson. History by Robert W. Scott. Gudgel, John R., 1856 – 1935 Gudgel, Elzie W., 1883 – 1906 Gudgel, Mary A., d/o H. & F. Gudgel, 09 Oct 1843 – 12 July 1890 Gudgel, Andrew J., 26 Sep 1851 – 22 May 1885 Gudgel, William, 03 Oct 1847 – 05 Jun 1879 Gudgel, Harvey, 23 Apr 1823 – 26 Nov 1885 Gudgel, Fannie, w/o H. Gudgel, 09 Jan 1826 – 21 Sep 1900 Note: John R. is the son of Harvey and Fannie, son of John, son of Andrew Sr. Vivian Gudgell Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:40:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Help me here, please... I was just able to get on the internet today and check my email after having some major surgery earlier this week, and imagine my surprise at having to delete a lot of B.S. SPAM JUNK MAIL from the gudgel list. PLEASE... When you get spam like this outback steak house stuff, if you're going to mention that you received it to the mail list, do NOT include the spam itself or the headers etc. in your message. I have to manually delete it from the archive. It "looks" like this spam came from someone that is subscribed to the gudgel-list, which should be the only way spam can get through to the list. Otherwise, it should get bounced automatically. (Unless, of course, the subscriber is on the list just to distribute spam) I hope this is just a one time accidental forward from a virus or something from this person, otherwise, I will have to remove him/her from the distribution list until we can be reasonably sure it won't happen again. Normally, I find these problems to be the fault of Micro$oft email programs that have many leaks and back doors that they can't seem to plug. This would be where the spam is sent to everyone in the person's address book. Four hundred and some dollars for everyone the spam is forwarded to? Come on, give me a break! Are there really that many gullable people online? Well, there goes the internet! (as someone once said) BTW, I am recovering OK from my surgery. I hope everyone here has a great Christmas season! Thanks Cousins!!! {:-) boB Gudgel getting colder all the time here in Everett, WA Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:15:16 -0800 From: "Judith Myers" Subject: Mail Gets Around! I agree with Bob about the spam stuff--seems like we all probably = deleted a lot of it in the last few days. But I want to mention another = bit of "publicity" the list has received that I for one don't find = welcome. Have you ever gotten on the search engine Google and entered = your own name inside quotation marks? Well, I did this recently and was = totally surprised to find an e-mail message I sent to the list back when = we all wrote and talked about ourselves and how we relate to the Gudgel = line. Call me naive, but I never dreamed I was writing for worldwide = consumption! Check it out, cousins!...............Judith Myers Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:46:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. Mail Gets Around! Yes, Judith is right, search engines can find text from the gudgel list archives. I don't believe that spammers are as thrifty with the information though. If you go to the gudgel.org web site and then to the archives, you will find that anyone can read these. If there is basic concensus for those on the gudgel list that this access is not good, I can remove the archives from the web site. I just thought that more Gudgel genealogy enthusiasts would be drawn to the mail list through these. I don't have a problem either way. Thanks, boB Gudgel recovering in Everett WA. From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Archives Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:16:16 -0800 Bob, I, for one, would hate to lose access to the archives. You don't need the archives to get the latest virus, Badtrans.b. I got it from another genealogist whom I had communicated with about a year ago. I spent a whole day getting rid of it. And then, about a week later, I got another one from the fellow that is taking care of our son's boat, Harrier, in Fuji. I caught that one before it infected my files and deleted it. Be sure to delete it from your deleted message bin, also. Then I ran a virus scan just to be sure and it came out clean. I'm always suspicious of any attachments and never open them unless I am expecting them. One way to tell if you have that virus is to inspect your address book for addresses that begin with the UNDERSCORE as the first character. If you have one of those, then you have received a Bad-trans.B virus from that person's address book. If you try to reply to that address, you will get a failed message delivery. Good hunting. Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: Mail Gets Around Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:50:28 -0500 I would like to keep the archives. My reasons are mainly because I see so much information on some sites in regard to the GUDGEL(L)'s that is incorrect. At least on our archives information is usually stated or asked and then it is backed up by our own research findings and we have something to back it up. Examples of other sites I am speaking of are such as Ancestry.com and Rootsweb. Names are greatly misspelled and a lot of assumptions are made and not proven but are still submitted by people who are using information from someone else. I have asked before to have some items corrected but the submitters have not replied. That's my 2 cents worth. Linda >From cold and rainy Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL(L) and MOUNTJOY/MONTJOY/MUNJOY researchers Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:26:21 -0500 Hi Folks- I wanted to tell you about a notice of a new book that appeared in Kentucky Ancestors this quarter. Kentucky Ancestors is put out by the Kentucky Historical Society. Book Notes-pg. 175 MOUNTJOY OMNIBUS By Margaret B. KINSEY 2001. Pp. 798. Indexed. Hardcover, $45.00, postpaid. Order from the author, Box 459, Lamesa, TX 79331 According to the author, this book details "Every MOUNTJOY/MONTJOY/MUNJOY (or whose mother or grandmother had the name) born before 1900, and who resided in the area now in the United States." It is divided into 6 sections: Massachusettes colonists and their English origins and descendants; MOUNTJOY's of African Ancestry; Post Revolution immigrants; Virginia colonists and their English origins and descendants; sources; and census records. Allied surnames include: ALLEN, COLE, COLLIER, DAWES, EDWARDS, GARRARD, GRAHAM, GUDGEL, HANKINS, HAWES, HAWKINS, HERNDON, HIERONYMUS, HUGHES, JOHNSON, LAWSON, LILLARD, MARTIN, McCALL, MERIWETHER MICHAEL, MILLER, MORTON, PAYNE, QUISENBERRY, SEARCY, SMITH, STROUD, THOMPSON, WALKER, WATERS, WATT, WILLIAMS, AND WILSON. Kentucky families listed include the William Robinson MOUNTJOY and George Rexford MOUNTJOY families of Hickman County and the GUDGEL, BLAKEMORE, RIPY, RINGO, WILSON, ELLISTON, MILTON, CATLETT, HERNDON, YOUNG, HANKINS, CUNNINGHAM, COLE and FIDLER families of Anderson County. The work also features an every name index. ********************************************************************** Just thought some of you may be interested in this book. I corresponded with Ms. KINSEY several years ago about the Anderson Co. families. She was a very devoted researcher and I would think it would be a nice addition to any of our research sources. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Happy Holidays Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:24:17 -0500 Hi Folks- Just wishing each of you a wonderful old fashioned holiday with family and friends. May Santa be extra good to each of you! Best Wishes, Linda from Kentucky- 40 ish and possible flurries on Christmas Eve. * **** ****** ******** *********** ll From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:00:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Merry Christmas! And, a Merry Christmas too!!! boB Gudgel Everett, WA {:-) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:08:09 -0800 Subject: Christmas Wishes From: "Wm. E Gudgel" MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of my GUDGEL(L) Cousins. Your Cousin, Bill Gudgel From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re:Happy New Year Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:26:58 -0800 Hello Cousins, I want to wish all of you a great New Year. I hope you had a Merry Christmas. Dennis and Patsy were here a few days before Christmas, but Patsy started getting the flu, so they left right away before they gave it to Lyle. I expect them back this week for a few more days before they go back to Cottonwood, AZ to finish selling Ryan's house. They are getting anxious to go back to the Harrier, their sailboat in Fuji. Love you guys Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL research resources found on Ancestry.com Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:06:40 -0500 If anyone has access to any of these resources mentioned we would surely like to know more about them: >From Biography and Genealogy Master Index (BGMI): 7264 Aden, Alta Faye GUDGEL-1920- Who's Who of American Women, 6th edition, 1970-71. Wilmette, IL; Marquis Who's Who, 1969. (WhoAMW 70) 467541 GUDGELL, Charles 1847-1916 The National Cyclopaedia of American Biogrpahy. Volume 17. New York: James T. White & Co., 1921. Reprint. Volumes 1-50. Ann Arbor, Mich.: Microfilms, 1967-1971. (Use the 8index to locate biographies (NatCAB 17). 467542 Henry GUDGELL 1826-1895 In Black and White. A guide to magazine articles, newspaper articles and books concerning Black Individuals and groups. Third edition. Two volumes. Edited by Mary Mace Spradling. Detroit: Gale Research, 1980. (In B&W 80) (From Linda- I have no idea who Alta Faye GUDGEL ADEN is. Charles GUDGELL was one of the famous partners of GUDGELL & SIMPSON who developed the hereford cattle lines in the United States. He was b. in Bath Co., Ky Henry GUDGELL was an African-American folk artist who has a famous walking stick in a museum in Texas I beleive. It was shown in KY a few years ago with a traveling folk art exhibit at Morehead State University. I'd love to know who this man was. I assume he came from a GUDGELL slave owner's family. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Happy New Year and Other Stuff Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:36:29 -0500 Hi Folks- I also wish the best for all of my GUDGEL cousins for the New Year. May we all find our most elusive ancestor too! My thanks to Connie for the poem "If I were Ole' Santa". It was a keeper for sure. And to Ardath and Vivian- I have the Land Trial Records of old Andrew copied from the originals and I have also transcribed them. Let me know which you want or if I should translate the parts you wanted via the mail list. I have tossed around the idea of checking out Ancestry.com for some time and just couldn't see paying that much for a subscription. Then about 2 days ago I got an invitation to try it for 14 days for free. At the end of 14 days I can cancel or continue for about $25.00 for 3 months. So, I said what the heck- I subscribed for the 14 days free trial. So far I haven't found anything I could use, but what I didn't realize was that I didn't have access to the Census data with that deal. The next day I got an email from Ancestry.com telling me I could enhance my searches through the Census Records for a mere $24.95. These guys are slick, huh? I will continue for the 14 days and then cancel, but at least I have seen what they have to offer. Anyone else had any dealings with them? Actually I did find some military records that I copied off for GUDGEL and GUDGELL. I'll send them via another message. Anyone planning a big New Year's celebration or attending a party, etc. I think we will stick around home. New Year's is too wild for me anymore I think. I'm just glad to have a couple of days off to put away the decorations and enjoy being at home. Linda from Kentucky- very cold and windy. 9 degrees in the morning. Only a skiff of snow. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: American Civil War Soldiers database from Ancestry.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:48:18 -0500 Information columns read as follows: Name, Residence, Enlist Date, Occupation, State: GUDGEL William GUDGEL October 2, 1861, KY Marion GUDGEL Terre Haute, Illinois; August 5, 1862; Illinois Calvin GUDGEL Mound Station, Illinois; February 3, 1865; Illinois William W. GUDGEL Mound Station, Illinois; February 3, 1865, Illinois John GUDGEL Milo, Illinois; February 11, 1865, Illinois John GUDGEL Kinderhook, Illinois; August 12, 1862, Illinois Jospeh GUDGEL Kinderhook, Illinois; August 12, 1862; Illinois John S. GUDGEL Christy, Illinois; December 29, 1863; Illinois (from Linda- 137 years ago today!) Stephen GUDGEL Milo, Illinois; August 12, 1862; Illinois Thomas GUDGEL Springfield, Illinois; February 6, 1863; Illinois Thomas GUDGEL Gibson Co., Indiana; January 8, 1864, Indiana Jacob GUDGEL Owensville, Indiana; November 12, 1861; Indiana Edward GUDGEL Oakland City, Indiana; November 12, 1861, Indiana Abraham GUDGEL September 12, 1862; Indiana From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: American Civil War database from Ancestry.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:54:14 -0500 Information from columns are: Residence; Enlist Date; Occupation; State- GUDGELL Elijah GUDGELL September 2, 1862; Kentucky Elijah GUDGELL October 30, 1862; Kentucky M.V. GUDGELL (Martin Van GUDGELL) September 2, 1862; Kentucky E.O. GUDGELL (?) September 15, 1862; KY D.E. GUDGELL (?) February 1, 1861; KY Henry T. GUDGELL Athens, Illinois; August 2, 1861, Illinois. John GUDGELL Osceola, Illinois; September 20, 1862; Illinois Benjamin F. GUDGELL Fairfield, Iowa; August 26, 1861; Iowa Richard J. GUDGELL Fairfield, Iowa; August 26, 1861; Iowa From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Civil War Service Records from Ancestry.com Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:45:18 -0500 Here are more detailed records for GUDGEL/GUDGELL but Icaution you to use them as a reference only. Not sure where this data came from. Columns read as follows: Surname, Given Name, Middle Initial Company, Unit, Rank Induction, Rank Discharge, Notes, Allegiance Martin V. GUDGELL Co. 5, 5th KY Cavalry, 2 Lieutenant, Captain, Confederate Robert E. GUDGELL Co. I, 11th Missouri Cavalry, Private, 1 Sargeant, Union Shelby G. GUDGELL Co. H, 24 Indiana Infantry, Private, Private, (Note: 67 Indiana Infantry), Union Shelby G. GUDGELL Co. K, 67th Indiana Infantry, Private, Private, (Note: 24 Ind. Inf.), Union Spencer H. GUDGELL Co. F, 11 Missouri Cavalry, Private, Corporal, Union William GUDGELL Co. G, 6 KY Mounted Infantry, Private, Private, Confederate Woodson GUDGELL Co. B, Ficklin's Batt'n, KY Inf., Private, Private, Confederate Benjamin F. GUDGELL Co. K, 2 Missouri L. Art'y, Private, Private (Note : 3 Iowa), Union Daniel E. GUDGELL Co. B, 10 (Johnston's) KY Cavalry, Private, Private, Confederate. E. GUDGELL Co. E, Morgan's Men- KY, Private, Private, Confederate (Note-Elijah GUDGELL-2 Duke's KY Cav.) E. O. GUDGELL Co. D, 9 KY Cav., Private, Private, Confederate E.O. GUDGELL Co. D, 4 KY Mounted Inf, Private, Private, (Note: 9 KY Cav.) Confederate Elijah GUDGELL Co. C, 1 (Butler's) KY Cav., Private, Private, Confederate (Note) Morgan's Co. M. A.) Elija GUDGELL Co. H, 2 Duke's KY Cav., Private, Private, Confederate (Note- 5 KY Cav., E. GUDGELL- Morgan's Men-KY. W Elijah GUDGELL Co. H, 5th KY Cav, Private, Private, Confederate (Note- Duke's KY Cav) John GUDGELL Unassigned Illinois Vol., Private, Private, Union. GUDGEL Stephen GUDGEL, Co. B, 112 IL Inf., Private, Private, Union Thomas GUDGEL, Co. B, 10th IN Cav, Private, Private, Union William H. GUDGEL, Co. H, 143 IN Inf., Private, Private, Union Willaim M. GUDGEL, Co. H, 148 IL Inf, Private, Private, Union John J. GUDGEL. Co. H, 99 IL Inf., Private, Private, Union John M. GUDGEL, Co. K, 148 IL Inf., Private, Private, Union John S. GUDGEL, Co., K, 61 IL Inf., Private, Private, Union Joseph GUDGEL, Co. H, 99 IL Inf, Private, Private, Union Julius GUDGEL,-Capt. Sutliff's Co. A, Livingston Co., Regt. Md. H.G., Corporal, Union (Note- 18 MO V.) Julius M. GUDGEL, Co. F, 18 MO Inf., Private, Corporal, Union Marion GUDGEL, Co. B, 91 IL Inf., Corporal, Corporal, Union Richard GUDGEL, Co. F, 3 Iowa Cav, Musician, Corporal, Union Robert E. GUDGEL, Co. K, 11 Md. Cav., Private, Private, Union (Note; Robert El GUDGELL) Spencer H. GUDGEL, Co. F, 11 Md. Cav, Private, Private, Union )Note: Spencer H. GUDGELL) Abrahm Gudgel, Co. A, 58 IN Inf., Private, Private, Union Alexander GUDGEL, Co. F, 145 Indiana Inf., Private, Private, Union Andrew GUDGEL, Co. A, 58 IN Inf., Sergeant, Sergeant, Union Benjamin F. GUDGEL, Co. F, 3 Iowa Cav., Musician, Corporal, Union Calvin GUDGEL, Co. H, 148 Illinois Inf., Private, Private, Union Edward GUDGEL, Co. A, 58 IN Inf., Private, Private, Union Henry F, GUDGEL, Co. F, 28 IL Inf., Private, Private, Union Jacob GUDGEL, Co. A, 58 IN Inf., Private, 1 Sergeant, Union John GUDGEL, Co. B, 112 IL Inf., Privae, Captain, Union John D. GUDGEL, Co. F, 3 Iowa Cav., Private, Private, Union From: "Sherrill Hinkle" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Happy New Year and Other Stuff Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:28:17 -0600 Linda, Vivian and all, Happy New Year from us here in Hoopeston, IL. I am here with my sister Sherrill and her family and visiting the rest of our Gudgel family and in-laws. It's a big group!! We're all here except for Connie and her family in SC, so we're in touch with them by phone and e-mail. I go back to Barcelona, and the euro, on the 5th. All the best in 2002! Stephen Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 08:31:50 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: CA marriage records? Dear cousins, I am back from our holiday trip to Seattle and Southern California and the Rose Bowl parade! I would like to know if any of you have access to recent CA vital stat records as I would like to find a Gudgel who I have lost track of. She is the daughter of Marion Floyd Gudgel Jr and she would be about 60. Her first married name would have been Teresa (not sure of this spelling) King. She apparently married again and may still be around the Sacramento area. Any suggestions on tracking her down would be welcome. Her brother, Chester Gudgel never answers his phone or mail. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:40:09 -0800 From: MAILER-DAEMON@mail.whidbey.net To: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.whidbey.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 08:31:50 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: CA marriage records? Dear cousins, I am back from our holiday trip to Seattle and Southern California and the Rose Bowl parade! I would like to know if any of you have access to recent CA vital stat records as I would like to find a Gudgel who I have lost track of. She is the daughter of Marion Floyd Gudgel Jr and she would be about 60. Her first married name would have been Teresa (not sure of this spelling) King. She apparently married again and may still be around the Sacramento area. Any suggestions on tracking her down would be welcome. Her brother, Chester Gudgel never answers his phone or mail. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Jeannine Gudgel" To: , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: CA marriage records? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:51:16 -0800 Teresa is my aunt. I am Chet's daughter. Teresa lives in Roseville and is remarried. I can get her number from my dad. My dad is usually home after 6:00pm in the evening. Hope this helps a little bit! Jeannine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Holmes" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Cc: "Gudgel List" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:31 AM Subject: Re: CA marriage records? > > Dear cousins, > I am back from our holiday trip to Seattle and Southern California and the >Rose Bowl parade! <<>> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:23:16 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: History of Woodford County Kentucky I am in the process of downswing 60 years of stuff. Among it is this book I bought in 1968 The History of Woodford County Kentucky. I would hate to just give it to a Thrift shop. This book is a reprint of the 1938 book of the same name. It is a compilation of articles that appeared in the Register of the Kentucky Historical Society between 1920 and 1929. There are a couple or so references to Gudgel. It is not a source of a lot of information on Gudgel. This reference is to the connection to Boone but I haven't looked at it in a long time. Anyone interested contact me by email. Doyal Gudgel Sr. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Another good connection! Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:18:30 -0500 To Jeannine and Dianne- Glad to see you two connected on Teresa GUDGEL KING! Another success story . I had a bit of success myself last night. It wasn't GUDGEL information but my maternal side of the family. I went to the Kentucky History Center after work (they stay open till 8:00 pm on Thursday nights now) and searched old Frankfort newspapers on microfilm looking for 5 obits- found 3-- my great grandfather's two sisters and my great grandmother's. It's just something I hadn't taken the time to do before. The other 2 I didn't find are in microfilm held at the Kentucky Archives- so that will be another trip soon I hope. I have found it easier to go and look for a couple of specific things rather than to go knowing I need a zillion things answered. I tend to get sidetracked when I'm looking for too many things and wind up with information I already have looked at or to come home with nothing new at all. And while I was at the History Center I took a minute to stop and look at old Andrew's stone on the outside entrance. If you ever go- it's about the middle of the sixth row of bricks. I'm glad we did this. More later, Linda from Kentucky- 12 degrees and expecting about 2 to 4 inches of snow tomorrow. (You Northerner's can laugh- but that's a pretty good snow for us ). From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Marion Floyd GUDGEL, Sr. and Nellie Bea FERGERSON Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:16:06 -0500 Hi Folks- I realized the other night after Jeannine and Dianne made a connection that I didn't have any information on the families of Marion Floyd GUDGEL, Sr. and Nellie Bea FERGERSON, except for names ( and not sure I have them all correct). I know this is also Doyal and Bob's line so would some of you be so kind as to submit this information? It would sure fill in a lot of gaps for me. Thanks! Linda, from Kentucky- Snow covered tonight-about 2-3 inches of snow and not too cold. From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:05:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re. Marion Floyd GUDGEL, Sr. and Nellie Bea FERGERSON I remember both of them! They were my grandparents and my dads parents so I hope he sheds some light on them for the group! Nellie owned some hotels/restaurants and played the accordian I remember. Floyd was a talented woodworker. I'll wait for dad (Doyal T. Gudgel) to send more. Happy New Year! boB Gudgel Everett, WA From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL/GUDGELL gravesites found Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:20:53 -0500 I found these entries on a website called "Find A Grave". If anyone knows who they are and where they fit into our Family Tree please share your information with us: Charles Edward GUDGELL, b. Nov. 14, 1913 d. May 19, 1960 Little Rock National Cemetery, Little Rock Arkansas Richard S. GUDGELL, b. April 18, 1925 d. May 28, 1991 Fort Snelling National Cemetery, Minnesota. Charles B. GUDGEL, b. April 26, 1925 d. June 7, 1985 Camp Butler National Cemetery, Springfield, Illinois Earl Dewey GUDGEL, b. 1898, d. March 9, 1992 Resthaven Cemetery, West Des Moines, Iowa Ella Catherine GUDGEL, b. April 6, 1905, d. April 13, 1996 Williamette National Cemetery, Oregon Emma M. GUDGEL, b. 1903, d. 1999 Laurel Hill Cemetery, Indiana Floyd Hower GUDGEL, b. January 12, 1894, d. June 15, 1964 Williamette National Cemetery, Oregon Joseph GUDGEL, b. unknown, d. July 19, 1934 Fort Scott National Cemetery, Fort Scott, Kansas Myron Allen GUDGEL, b. 1906, d. 1946 Laurel Hill Cemetery, Indiana Robert Harper GUDGEL, b. May 13, 1925, d. November 30, 1994 Golden Gate National Cemetery, California Virginia Lee GUDGEL, b. April 22, 1926, d. December 21, 1991 Camp Butler National Cemetery, Springfield, Illinois Emma May GUDGEL HEATH, b. January 12, 1874, d. November 27, 1933 Sumner Cemetery, Illinois Thanks, Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Elizabeth GUDGELL murder-1884 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:48:36 -0500 I finally got a lead on this murder story from a Lori Laird who lives in Hooper, Utah. She sent me a page from a book: Chapter 4, Nineteenth Century, Social and Cultural History, pg. 156. "The areas of Ogden closest to the railroad station became known for violence, crime, gambling, prostitution, hotels and saloons. Lower 25th Street became notorious as "Two Bit Street", and lower 24th Street was almost it's equal for a time. For three quarters of a century, Ogden's 25th Street was notorious for it's saloons, opium dens, prostitution, gambling and violence. Late on Saturday evening, 19 April 1884, George Segal, a 27 year old Japanese emigrant, shot Elizabeth CUDGEL with a .38 caliber pistol. GUDGELL was part owner of the Gem Restaurant on lower 24th Street, and it was at the restaurant that the shooting took place. GUDGELL died about 36 hours after being shot with four bullets. Although the motive for the shooting was a bit unclear, it seems that it was in part a lover's quarrel as well as a dispute over back wages not paid. Following the shooting, Segal ran two or three blocks through Ogden streets before he was arrested by police officers Thomas H. Ballantyne and James M. Brown. They placed him in jail at 25th and Washington under the care of Moroni F. Brown, assistant jailer. About 5 hours after the shooting, at about 4 a.m. Sunday morning, police and jailers manning the jail saw an armed mob of 30 to 40 masked and disguised men approaching the jail. Most of the mob had turned their coats inside out and many were masked to avoid giving away their identity. Several of the mob were armed with shotguns, and by armed force they gained entrance to the jail and sledge-hammered and chiseled open Segal's cell door which was made of boiler iron. Segal was then dragged from his cell and hanged from the south end of the fire-bell tower. The entire mob action and hanging took no longer than 10 minutes.. No indictments for this tragic incident were issued by a special 15 member grand jury which was asked by Judge P.H. Emerson to investigate the lynching. The lynching of George Segal and the murder of Lizzie GUDGELL were clear evidence that Ogden and Weber County were participants in the major aspects of violence prevalent in the frontier era of the American West with its associated vigilante action. Civilized law and order hid its face during this"darkest hour" of Ogden history." *********************************************************************** Boy- talk about scandal!!! And this was in 1884. I wonder who this Elizabeth GUDGELL was? And they also referred to her as "Lizzie". This murder is also noted in the History of Weber Co., Utah by Roberts and Sadler, however, I haven't seen that. If anyone has access to this book we would sure like to see what it says. That's all for now- Maybe we will eventually learn "the rest of the story". >From Linda- in Kentucky-Cold and windy with a little snow on the ground. Too early to look at seed catalogs I guess.. From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , "Gudgel List" Subject: Re: GUDGEL/GUDGELL gravesites found Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:08:22 -0800 I can identify Myron Allen GUDGEL as the son of Edward A. (or sometimes Alvin Edward) who was the son of John Franklin who was the son of William who was the son of old Andrew. He was born in Posey Co., IN, but I don't know where this Laurel Hill Cemetery is. Nancy From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Gudgel-list" Subject: Fw: GUDGEL/GUDGELL gravesites found Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:28:41 -0800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:40 PM Subject: Re: GUDGEL/GUDGELL gravesites found : I can identify two of these Gudgels : : Earl D. married Lillian MORROW. : Earl D. is the son of Stephen GUDGELL and Sarah MATTHEWS. : Stephen is son of Mahlon GUDGELL and Charlotte SNODGRASS. : Mahlon is son of Daniel GUDGELL and Rachel GAUSE. : : Emma May GUDGEL married Dan HEATH. : Emma May is daughter of William Stephen GUDGEL and Elizabeth C. : BIRD. : William S. GUDGEL is the son of Abraham GUDGELL and Elizabeth : BURCH. : Abraham is son of Abram GUDGELL and Elizabeth HARBISON. : Abram GUDGELL is son of Andrew Sr.GUDGEL and #1 or #2 wife. : Andrew Sr. GUDGEL is son of Frederick GODTCHALK and Anna Mary. : : Vivian Gudgell : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" : To: "Gudgel List" : Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:20 PM : Subject: GUDGEL/GUDGELL gravesites found : : : : I found these entries on a website called "Find A Grave". If : anyone knows : : who they are and where they fit into our Family Tree please share : your : : information with us: : : : : Charles Edward GUDGELL, b. Nov. 14, 1913 d. May 19, 1960 : : Little Rock National Cemetery, Little Rock Arkansas : : : : Richard S. GUDGELL, b. April 18, 1925 d. May 28, 1991 : : Fort Snelling National Cemetery, Minnesota. : : : : Charles B. GUDGEL, b. April 26, 1925 d. June 7, 1985 : : Camp Butler National Cemetery, Springfield, Illinois : : : : Earl Dewey GUDGEL, b. 1898, d. March 9, 1992 : : Resthaven Cemetery, West Des Moines, Iowa : : : : Ella Catherine GUDGEL, b. April 6, 1905, d. April 13, 1996 : : Williamette National Cemetery, Oregon : : : : Emma M. GUDGEL, b. 1903, d. 1999 : : Laurel Hill Cemetery, Indiana : : : : Floyd Hower GUDGEL, b. January 12, 1894, d. June 15, 1964 : : Williamette National Cemetery, Oregon : : : : Joseph GUDGEL, b. unknown, d. July 19, 1934 : : Fort Scott National Cemetery, Fort Scott, Kansas : : : : Myron Allen GUDGEL, b. 1906, d. 1946 : : Laurel Hill Cemetery, Indiana : : : : Robert Harper GUDGEL, b. May 13, 1925, d. November 30, 1994 : : Golden Gate National Cemetery, California : : : : Virginia Lee GUDGEL, b. April 22, 1926, d. December 21, 1991 : : Camp Butler National Cemetery, Springfield, Illinois : : : : Emma May GUDGEL HEATH, b. January 12, 1874, d. November 27, 1933 : : Sumner Cemetery, Illinois : : : : Thanks, : : Linda : : : : : : : : : : : From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Myron Allen Gudgel Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 06:56:56 -0800 Nancy, Will you post the dates, spouses, and siblings for Myron Allen if you have them? I am not sure that I have him in the correct family. Thanks Vivian Gudgell Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:06:04 -0800 Subject: GFC Newsletter - January 2002 Issue From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hello Everyone, Apologies are extended to everyone who has a Subscription to the GUDGEL Family Connections (GFC) Newsletter. The GFC Newsletter will go out this weekend (January 12th or 13th) and arrive during the first few days of next week. I apologize for the delay. Life has been very real here with many hindrances. As a bonus feature to our subscribers ... Look for your GFC 2001 Index that will be included with your January 2002 Issue. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel, GFC Newsletter Editor From: "nancy miller" To: "Vivian Gudgell" , Subject: Re: Myron Allen Gudgel Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:03:33 -0800 I have two siblings for Myron Allen Gudgel: Hildred Olive b. 23 Nov 1902 (she married Loren Corn 11 Jul 1920 in Gibson Co., IN) and Josephine A. b. 22 Jan 1910. They were all born in Posey Co., IN. Myron was born 18 Aug 1906. This information was from birth records of Indiana. I have nothing on his marriage or children. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Vivian Gudgell To: Gudgel-list Date: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 6:58 AM Subject: Re: Myron Allen Gudgel >Nancy, >Will you post the dates, spouses, and siblings for Myron Allen if >you have them? I am not sure that I have him in the correct family. >Thanks >Vivian Gudgell > From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Address alert Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:13:50 -0800 Hi, Cousins, My new DSL access connection has been out of service since Jan. 09,02. I just now got it up and running so that I can receive mail. If any of you have been expecting an answer from me, I will try to get to it shortly. It took 3 days to get the DSL fixed. Have a great day. Vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Latest issue of GUDGEL Connections Newsletter Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:08:52 -0500 Hi Folks- Today I received the latest issue of the GUDGEL Connections Newsletter and as usual, I stop whatever I'm doing and read it from front to back. Diane, what a wonderful article you submitted transcribing the old oral histories on the early CA GUDGEL's. What a treasure for us to be able to read it now. You are to be commended for your work! And Bill GUDGEL also does an excellent job of publishing this newsletter. You go, Bill!! I'm not sure how many of you on this mail list are subscribed to the newsletter, but if you aren't--you are missing out on something special. This newsletter also serves as a permanent record to be kept and passed on to family members. There's no leaving the information to your memory - it's there for good. So thank you to everyone who helps to make this newsletter possible! And let's all dig a bit and send in something to be shared by all our cousins. An obit, a picture, a memory, a story, a bible record, an old letter or anything else you might have. It may be old stuff to you but it's new to the rest of us! Best wishes to each of you in 2002. Linda from KY- cold and windy. Feels like snow on the way. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gravesites listed Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:50:29 -0500 Can someone give me more information on placing this Myron Allen GUDGEL: b. 1906, d. 1946, buried Laurel Hill Cemetery, Indiana. ?? I can't get paast the Edward A. (or Alvin Edward) names. I also have two John Franklin GUDGEL's who are sons of a William GUDGEL. ******************************************************************* I did find more info. on Floyd Hower GUDGEL- b. Jan. 12, 1894, d. June 15, 1964: Buried Williamette National Cem., Oregon. He married Ella Cole TIFTER. Floyd Hower GUDGEL's line is as follows: Stephen Andrew> Francis Marion> Andrew> John> Andrew, Sr. Linda To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:30:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Latest issue of GUDGEL Connections Newsletter Hi Linda, Thanks for the compliments and note of encouragement. Hello Cousins, In the Volume 1 Number 2 of Connections there were some photos of the Cemetery that Andrew Gudgel, Sr. was buried in along with a photo of the headstone. I cannot get a good copy of the headstone from the newsletter and was wondering ... Does anyone have a good photograph of the headstone and or the cemetery that they could loan me long enough to scan in high resolution. I want to place the photos in the April 2002, GFC Newsletter. My address is in the newsletter under the article "Subscriptions" or you can contact me directly and I will send you my address. FYI ... In case you haven't already noticed the article "Trip to the Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. Cemetery and Reunion" ... Linda is trying to make arrangements so we can meet at the GUDGEL Cemetery, or some place close for a Family get together. Hopefully we can share information and find other Gudgel Landmarks in that area when we get together. If you have knowledge of the area that you would like to share, please contact Linda or myself as soon as possible. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Gravesite list Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:31:37 -0800 Linda, I had some discussion with Nancy Miller about Myron Allen Gudgel that might help. Our discussion is as follows: -----Original Message----- From: Vivian Gudgell To: nancy miller Date: Saturday, January 12, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Myron Allen Gudgel >Nancy, >I'm still puzzled on Myron Allen's family. >I have William and Lucy Thurman's son, John Abner, married to Nancy >Witherspoon. John had a son Alvin, b. 1868, married to Ann Hannon >on 22 Oct 1891. >John Abner and Nancy Witherspoon had many kids, such as Harriet >married to William Herschel Martin, Elvira, Lucy married to Charles >Dodd, Elizabeth, Melissa Ann who married Andrew Wallis, Alvin >married to Ann Hannon, and Ella. Maybe more. >This information from Bert Douglas Papers/ John Anslinger > >Is this the correct family for Myron Allen? >Vivian Nancy answered: Hi Vivian Let's see if I can straighten this out for you. I know they confused me to some extent too. First off, I have the son of William Gudgel that married Nancy Ann Witherspoon as John Franklin Gudgel. To the best of my knowledge they had 7 children. As they are listed in the 1880 census: Lucy F. 18 Elvira E. 16 Hattie J. 14 Alvin E. 12 Melissa A. 10 Alva B. 8 Martha J. 4 In marriage records I have for Indiana (on CD) we have Alvin B marrying Anna E. Hannon on 22 Oct 1891 and we have Alvin E (son of John and Nancy Witherspoon) marrying Lyda Barnett on 4 Sep 1901. The first is in Gibson Co., and the latter is in Posey Co. There is one marriage listed on this CD for a child of each couple and in those cases, Annie Harmon's husband is listed as "Alvie" and Effie Barnett's is "A E". In Liberty Cemetery in Smith Township in Posey Co., IN, we find Alvin Edward Gudgel (1868-1950) and his wife Lydia Effie Gudgel (1872-1928. And just a couple of other confusing things are a funeral card that Linda found in a scrapbook that had our 4th child as Edward A. Gudgel, and 2 places I have found the 6th child as Abner! In an index to the 1910 census (also on CD) I see Alva, 38 is in Gibson Co., and Edward, 41 is in Posey Co. I do not have a death date for John Franklin Gudgel, do you? I do have a note that it was after 1910, since I found him living with his daughter Hattie Martin in Gibson Co. then. I've probably given you more information than you really wanted to know, but I do try and keep track of those that stayed around Gibson Co., IN. My father was born there in 1903 and his family history includes a lot of surnames going back to the marriage there of Nancy Gudgel and William Teel in 1816. Nancy From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Gudgel Family Connections Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:45:16 -0800 Hi Bill, Since I live on the west coast, I had to wait until today for my copy of the Newsletter. I was real envious of Linda when she had her copy last night. I echo her sentiments. You did a great job. I should have acknowledged that the photo of Josephine Gudgell and her Obit were given to me by Anita Bracken. I'm not sure if she is a member of our Gudgel-list or not. If not she ought to be, since she is a direct descendant of Josephine Gudgell Spencer. (Josephine is a dau. of Milton, son of Mahlon, son of Daniel.) Thanks for including the picture and Obituary for our grandson, Ryan Gudgell. Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Gravesite list Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:43:20 -0800 Hi cousins, Lets get more confused! According to the "Descendants of Arthur Wallace" web site, the following children listed by Joan Wallis belong to Jacob GUDGEL and Mary Jane WITHERSPOON. not John GUDGEL and Nancy WITHERSPOON William, Ed, Ella, Nancy E., Dora, Charles, Ethel, and Fred. Some of this information is from the Payne Co. Cem. index submitted by Debbie Lance William Lemuel b. 17 Dec. 1861 Oakland City, Gibson Co. IN. married Christina (Dosher, 24 Feb 1881, White Co, IL)? Edward b. 1864 d. 1 Dec. 1945 Stillwater Payne Co. OK., buried Fairlawn, married Sarena McClellan, died. 30 June 1939 Luella("Tully" or "Ella"?) b. abt 1866, married David May, Apr. 1888. Nancy E. b. abt. 1869 married Jesse Jordan Theodore (Fedora or Dora)? b. 17 Aug 1874 d. 20 Oct 1950 Buried Fairlawn, Stillwater, Payne Co. OK. married Della Walker, b. 1881 KS. d. 23 Mar. 1961. Charles Henry b. 5 Aug. 1876, IN> d. 31 Dec. 1959, Stillwater, Payne Co. OK., married Grace Alberta Nichols on 20 Jan 1900, Grace died 18 Feb. 1976. Lucinda Belle b. 20 may 1879, d. 3 July 1933 , Hollis KS. buried Mt.Liberty Cem. Oak Hills, KS., Married Cyrus Wymore on 11 aug 1894 at Clay Center KS. Cyrus b. 3 aug 1875, d. 20 apr 1946. Ethel. abt. 1880 married Ralph Ackenback Frederick C. b. abt. 1882, d. before 1961 Bartlesville OK., married Nellie Morgan. (Note: I believe the ELIZABETH mentioned in Joan's post is Elvira Elizabeth b. 1865.----Vivian) Joan wallis wrote: Vivian and Nancy, not too long ago, I had one of the people in the Gudgel list give me a contact who had done extensive research on Nancy Witherspoon and her family. Her father was Lemuel Witherspoon and her mother was Violet Wallace. The contact's name is Deby Lake and her email is I also have some of the same information confirmed by Sue Wallace Burkhart who lives in Princeton, IN. She is not on the Internet so I had to contact her via snail mail. She did not have the husband of Nancy listed in her genealogy records so I supplied her with information that I had obtained from Sue. I wrote and obtained copies of the marriage records from Gibson County for Andrew A. Wallis and Melissa A. Gudgel. And also for the marriage of Andrew and Hattie Gudgel Martin, Melissa's older sister. Nancy Witherspoon was married to John Gudgel, the son of William Gudgel and Lucy Harmon Thurman. She and John Gudgel had the following children, according to Deby Lake's research. Elvira, Lucy, Elizabeth, Harriett (I think this is Hattie), Melissa Ann, William, Ed, Ella, Nancy E., Dora, Charles, Ethel, and Fred. I have John Gudgel being born abt. 1840. Melissa Ann was born in 1973, died March 18, 1902. Melissa and her mother, Nancy, died the same year- 1902. From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Mary Alice Gudgell Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:26:41 -0800 Hi Cousins, I need help identifying this Mary Alice GUDGELL. Her obit was found among Josephine Gudgell SPENCER's papers held by Anita Bracken's mother. I would like to know which GUDGELL was her husband. She must have been married to a man named PETTYS before, since she had a son named Clifford PETTY. I found Clifford PETTY on an honor roll of enlisted men from Hammond, Indiana. She, probably, belongs in Milton GUDGELL'S family of the Daniel line somewhere. The obit goes like this: Sholes Resident Dies on Friday Rites are held Tuesday at Church in Carroll for Mrs. Alice Gudgell Mrs. Mary Alice, 78, died Friday morning at her home near Sholes,(Nebraska). She lived with her sister, Mrs. Wm. ROOT and the Guy ROOTs. The family heard Mrs. GUDGELL moving around her room early Friday, but when they went to call her for breakfast, she had suffered a heart attack and died. Funeral rites were conducted Tuesday afternoon from Carroll Methodist church. Rev. Allen Magill was in charge and burial was in Carroll cemetery. Mrs. GUDGELL's only son, Clifford PETTYS died in April 1918 while in service with the U.S. Cavalry on the Mexican border. Her husband died about 30 years ago. Deceased leaves three brothers and three sisters. Albert MARSH of Sholes , Fred and John MARSH of Hammond, Indiana. Mrs. Abbie PACE, Bradford, PA., Mrs. William NICHOLS, Carsten, N.D., and Mrs. Lydia ROOT, of Sholes. Thanks, Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Funeral Services Question Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:11:30 -0500 Hi Folks- I need some help here. Hope to hear from everyone. I recently had a conversation with someone who was from the North and we discussed a local funeral (in Kentucky) of a person known to both of us. When a person dies and you go to the Funeral Home to pay your respects to the deceased and their family, we call this in Kentucky-attending the "visitation" . I am trying to remember what this person called it. They were puzzled by my use of the phrase "the visitation" and said they had never heard it called that. So who can help me out? What do you call it? And tell me where you were raised and did you alwys call it that. I just need to know. My husband says I can ask more questions! I tell him that "Inquiring minds want to know" . Thanks for any help. Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:36:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re. visitation I thought I'd heard it called a "viewing" or something like that. BTW, I've been to so many funerals and memorials where we all talked about how good the person was and shared our great moments about that person... I think that, when possible, you should have a "pre-memorial", where the person is still alive and can join in too! boB Gudgel Everett, WA From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Funeral Services Question Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:58:34 -0800 In my recent experience in California, there are Memorial Services, but no "viewing" because cremation has taken place immediately. Back 40 or 50 years ago in Montana, they held a Wake. Maybe cremation hasn't gotten as common in Kentucky as it is here. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Date: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Funeral Services Question >Hi Folks- > >I need some help here. Hope to hear from everyone. > >I recently had a conversation with someone who was from the North and we >discussed a local funeral (in Kentucky) of a person known to both of us. >When a person dies and you go to the Funeral Home to pay your respects to >the deceased and their family, we call this in Kentucky-attending the >"visitation" . I am trying to remember what this person called it. They >were puzzled by my use of the phrase "the visitation" and said they had >never heard it called that. > >So who can help me out? What do you call it? And tell me where you were >raised and did you alwys call it that. > >I just need to know. My husband says I can ask more questions! I tell him >that "Inquiring minds want to know" . > >Thanks for any help. >Linda > From: "Stephen" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: Funeral Services Question Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:44:06 +0100 Hi Linda, I bet "wake" was the word you heard. It is more catholic than protestant, I think. When I was a child I always heard visitation and I think the newspapers still say that, but people say wake a lot. I think it is Irish catholic. Although our family is mostly protestant and our town too, I think the word has caught on, maybe because it sounds more exotic and more upbeat for something that usually is an unpleasant experience. Stephen From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Answer to Funeral Service Question Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:00:41 -0500 Hi Folks- Well, it's been interesting reading the different responses from so many of you. Thought you'd like to know the outcome. Oletta of North Texas calls it a Family Night or in the case of a cremation, it's called a Memorial Service. Nancy- raised in Montana- calls it a wake. Now residing in California it's called a Memorial Service. Joan- says in Mississippi it was called a wake; In North Carolina it was a Vivitation Viewing; and in Arizona it is a Viewing. Stephen- Was called a Visitation and now more commonly called a Wake. Connie- was raised in Hoopeston, IL and they called it a wake. Now from South Carolina they call it a wake. Bob- from Everett, WA says it's called a viewing. Doyal-from Seattle, WA says it's a Viewing. As I began to go through the answers I had received I told my husband, Gary, about the question I had asked you. He was also interested to know the answer so I read each of them to him. (He has worked part-time for a local Funeral Home here for more than 20 years so he knows the business). Joan went into detail with her answer about why these services are held and Gary wanted to know if she was in this business. He thought it sounded very professional! He also says that in our area the one day services are becoming more popular and cremations are as well. Cremations can be held before the visitation or after. So just thought you'd like to know the outcome. I guess the term "Wake" is not used as much in Kentucky. I always thought of a wake as more of a party or celebration- maybe that's too frivilous for these old Southern Baptists from Kentucky . Oh, by the way- the friend used the term "Viewing" when she referred to what I called a visitation. She was raised in Akron, OH and now lives in Toledo, OH. So that's our cultural history lesson for the day. Thanks to everyone who joined in. Linda, from Kentucky-6 inches of snow last night! From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: unknown gudgel Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:03:20 -0800 Hi Anybody know who this is? Found him on a FREE Ancestry.com database of WW1 Draft Registry this morning. Vivian Gudgell WWI Civilian Draft Registrations Name Birth Date Ethnicity Birth Place City/County State Owen McKinley Gudgel 14 Jun 1898 W lives in Gresham NE Charles Mix SD From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:50:00 EST Subject: Re: unknown gudgel In a message dated 1/20/2002 9:37:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time, V.Gudgell@verizon.net writes: > Anybody know who this is? Found him on a FREE Ancestry.com database > of WW1 Draft Registry this morning. > Vivian Gudgell > > WWI Civilian Draft Registrations > Name Birth Date Ethnicity Birth Place City/County State > Owen McKinley Gudgel 14 Jun 1898 W lives in Gresham NE Charles Mix > SD > Hi; Here is what I have on Owen McKinley GUDGEL. My information shows that he was born in 1899, not 1898, but my data is unverified so may be wrong. 1. Andrew and Barbara (sp?) Hoch (sp?) Gudgel. 2. John Gudgel and Jean Harbinson 3. Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples 4. Marion Francis Gudgel and Rebecca Valentine 5. John William Gudgel and Estella McVehil 6. Owen McKinley Gudgel and Gwen ??? Owen was born June 14, 1899 in Stratton, Nebraska and died in January 1953, in Oregon Owen & Gwen had three children; Owen McKinley born Born 1945, Mary Elaine, born 1946 and Donald Born 1948 Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: Re: Owen Mckinley Gudgel Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:30:52 -0800 Thanks, Dave, I found Owen Mckinley GUDGEL, while looking for the death notice for Orren GUDGELL who went to the Dakotas in 1890 to sign up for a land Pat.. I believe Orren died there somewhere before 1908. I think he may be the missing husband of Mary Alice Gudgell, of Sholes, NE. ( Orren is the son of Milton, son of Mahlon, son of Daniel) Vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Owen McKinley GUDGEL, Sr. Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:12:15 -0500 I have the same information that Dave submitted. I also have nothing further on the children of Owen, Sr. and Gwen. Does anyone know more about them? Owen McKinley, Jr.-b. 1945 Mary Elaine- b. 1946 Donald-b. 1948 Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Allied Family Names of Fredrick GODTSCHALK Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:14:24 -0500 It has been brought yo my attention several times that we should be trying to research some of the allied family names of the children of Fredrick GODTSCHALK/GOTTSCHALK and his wife, Ann Mary, that were mentioned in his Will in Philadelphia County, PA-Will Book I, Page 4, File 4. Written November 7, 1748. Probated December 8, 1748. Names mentioned were: Ann Mary, wife daughter, Agnes PANNCAK, and husband, Yost. son, Andrewdaughter, Mary CROUT, and husband, Johan. daughter, Ann ALLEBACH, and husband, Christian daughter, Elisabeth, MYER, and husband, Henry I have collected a bit of information on each of these families, except for Henry MYER. (There must have been 500 Henry MYERs in that area at that particular time). Anyway, I wanted to share some of this on Yost PANNCAK and his wife, Agnes GODTSCHALK just for the record. I'm not even sure where the children went after Fredrick's death but at least it gives us an idea. And remember there are so many variations of surnames at that time. >From the Lutheran Archives Center in Philadelphia, PA came this information on the PANNEKUCHEN family. Transcript of the Parish Register of Indianfield Lutheran Church, Franconia Township, Montgomery Co., PA: Pg. 7-Baptisims: Parents: Joseph PANNEKUCH and Catharina Children: Name not give. b. Nov. 11, 1754, baptised April 13, 1755 Sponsors: Jost PANNEKUCH and wife. Parents: Christian ALLEBACH and Anna Children: David, b. Jan. 25, bapt. April 13, 1755 Sponsors: Andrew PANNEKUCH and Anna Maria HAENS Parents: John GAUSER and Christina Child: John Andrew, b. Nov. 4, 1754, bapt. April 13, 1755 Sponsors: Jost PANNEKUCH and wife. (Note: So there were 3 small children all baptised the same day). ************************************************************************ page 152-Record of Confirmations On the first Easter Day 1753, the following children, having been instructed in Christian doctrine, were admitted to the Lord's supper for the first time. 8. John PANNEKUCHEN, 14 years, son of Jost PANNEKUCHEN page 153- 1759, April 15th, the following were for the first time admitted to Holy Communion: 7. Maria Eva PANNEKUCHEN, dau. of Jpst, 15 years. Page 154- 1760. April 6th. the following were admitted for the first time to the Holy Communion: Esther PANNEKUCHE, dau. of Jost PANNEKUCHE, 14 years. Page 161- Anno 1753, September 15, the fo;;owing person's went to the Lord's Supper, mostly married persons: 33. Maria Agnes PANNEKUCH 34. Jost PANNEKUCHER page 163- Anno-1754, April 13th-the following went to confession: MEN 16. John PANNEKUCHEN Page 169- Those that went to Confession, November 6, 1756: 13. John PANNEKUCHEN *********************************************************************** PENNSYLVANIA GERMAN CHURCH RECORDS, VOL. 3, TOHICKON LUTHERAN CHURCH RECORDS, BUCKS CO., PA. Page 359/ 1752 Parents: Andrew GOTTSCHALL and Catharine Elizabeth Child: Maria Johanna, b. June 10; bapt. July 7 Sponsors: Jost PFANNEKUCHEN, wife- Maria Agnesia; and dau., Maria Johanna. Page 363/1756 Parents: Joseph PANNEKUCHEN and Catharine Child: Catharine, b. June 31; bapt. August 1. Sponsor: Christopheer TRUBI, Catharine DANI, single. ************************************************************************ St. Michael's-Zion German Lutheran Church, Philadelphia Records of Marriages: PFANNENKUCHEN, Andreas RONNINGERN, Elisabeth; marr. October 16, 1759 Witness: Johannes PFANNENKUCHEN, Hanna PFANNENKUCHEN, Johannes KRAUT, Philipp ROHT, (Note: Johannes KRAUT could also be Johan CROUT/KRAUT). ************************************************************************ I'll stop here. Will submit more later if anyone is interested.. Just thought it might be of interest to someone. Linda From dianeh@corecom.net Mon Jan 21 18:09:59 2002 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:24:18 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Allied Family Names of Fredrick GODTSCHALK Dear Cousins, The Yost Pancake family, in part, went to northern Virginia very close to the PA border. This Pancake and other sibling in-law information has sparked some interest over the past yr or two but I don't recall if we ever made solid progress except to find many of the names in the 1734 tax roll for Berks Co, PA (which I will repeat below). Some of us have been in contact with a Pancake descendant. But if some of you want to continue the search, here is a few website that I hope is still good: http://www.usfamily.net/web/pankake/papmb.htm The following is a 'reprint' of a former e-mail from a Pancake member. Note how many names that we are looking for appear on the list (in various spellings): The following list was taken from tax lists of Philadelphia County and presents those persons who in 1734 lived in what is now Berks County, Pa. or in Townships bordering Berks Co. FRANCONIA: Johannes FREY, Jacob OBERHOLTZER, Jost PFANNENKUCH, Joseph ALTHAUS, Uly HUNSBERGER, Leonard CHRISTOLEER, Johannes WILHELM, Henrich ROSENBERGER, Jost SCHINDLER, Christian MAYER, Abraham REIF, Jacob HUNSBERGER, Georg GERMANN, Johann GRIESMAN, Conrad KUSTER, Michael BANG, Jacob FUHRMAN, Johannes HENTZ, Ludwig ZERKEL, Frederick GADSCHALK, Wilhelm HAUK, Henrich ZERKEL, Michael HENTZ, Georg HERTZELL, Frederick SCHOLL But I am puzzled about the difference between Berks Co and Bucks Co, PA. We know Old Andrew was in Bucks in 1759, so was that Berks Co earlier in the century? I think we've have this discussion before but I forget if I got an answer. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Bucks and Berks Counties Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:55:43 -0800 Dianne, Maybe this will help on the counties in question. Vivian ROOTS-L Pennsylvania: History (Google Search) BERKS County was given its name by Thomas and Richard Penn, sons of William Penn, after their ancestral County of Berks, or Berkshire, England. In the 1700’s the area was settled by Quakers, French Huguenots, Palatinates, German Amish, Mennonites and Dunkards. Around the time of the French and Indian War in 1752, BERKS County was created from parts of PHILADELPHIA, LANCASTER and CHESTER counties and reduced to its present size in 1811. * ******************************************************************** ******** THE HISTORY OF BUCKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA: DAVIS, 1876: CONTENTS, PREFACE, ILLUSTRATIONS, CHAPTER I. from the discovery of the Delaware to the present time by W. W. H. Davis, A.M., Democrat Book and Job Office Print., Doylestown, PA, 1876. BUCKS County, ONE OF THE THREE ORIGINAL COUNTIES of Pennsylvania, is bounded on the northeast and southeast by the Delaware, southwest by Philadelphia, and Montgomery county, and on the north by Lehigh and Northampton counties. The surface is uneven and rolling, and the soil From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: Elvira and Elizabeth Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:17:22 -0800 Joan, The reason I thought that Elizabeth was the same person as Elvira E. was because some lists included her and some did not and when she was included, her birth date was the same year as Elvira E. This was just a theory of mine and not proven fact. Do you have birth dates for the two girls? You give me too much credit for research. All I have done is compile the information from the Gudgel-list archives into one database. The rest comes from the internet. Vivian From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:33:23 -0600 (CST) To: dianeh@corecom.net Subject: Re: Allied Family Names of Fredrick GODTSCHALK Dianne, Franconia Twp. at that time, was in Montomery County, PA . The previous listing that someone put on the website said "Berks". But I believe that was an error. It should have said 'Bucks'. I have since obtained the list off of the Montgomery County Website. There is a 1734 map that shows that Franconia Twp. adjoins Bucks County, not Berks. Berks is a few twps. further to the north. Ardath Potts Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:24:18 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Allied Family Names of Fredrick GODTSCHALK Dear Cousins, The Yost Pancake family, in part, went to northern Virginia very close to the PA border. This Pancake and other sibling in-law information has sparked some interest over the past yr or two but I don't recall if we ever made solid progress except to find many of the names in the 1734 tax roll for Berks Co, PA (which I will repeat below). Some of us have been in contact with a Pancake descendant. But if some of you want to continue the search, here is a few website that I hope is still good: http://www.usfamily.net/web/pankake/papmb.htm The following is a 'reprint' of a former e-mail from a Pancake member. Note how many names that we are looking for appear on the list (in various spellings): The following list was taken from tax lists of Philadelphia County and presents those persons who in 1734 lived in what is now Berks County, Pa. or in Townships bordering Berks Co. FRANCONIA: Johannes FREY, Jacob OBERHOLTZER, Jost PFANNENKUCH, Joseph ALTHAUS, Uly HUNSBERGER, Leonard CHRISTOLEER, Johannes WILHELM, Henrich ROSENBERGER, Jost SCHINDLER, Christian MAYER, Abraham REIF, Jacob HUNSBERGER, Georg GERMANN, Johann GRIESMAN, Conrad KUSTER, Michael BANG, Jacob FUHRMAN, Johannes HENTZ, Ludwig ZERKEL, Frederick GADSCHALK, Wilhelm HAUK, Henrich ZERKEL, Michael HENTZ, Georg HERTZELL, Frederick SCHOLL But I am puzzled about the difference between Berks Co and Bucks Co, PA. We know Old Andrew was in Bucks in 1759, so was that Berks Co earlier in the century? I think we've have this discussion before but I forget if I got an answer. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From dianeh@corecom.net Tue Jan 22 09:49:27 2002 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:49:30 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: aap109@webtv.net Subject: Re: Allied Family Names of Fredrick GODTSCHALK Thanks for that clarification Ardath. That actually makes things simpler and we don't have to expand our research to Berks, only Bucks Co. (at least for now). Dianne Gudgel-Holmes aap109@webtv.net wrote: > Dianne, Franconia Twp. at that time, was in Montomery County, PA . The > previous listing that someone put on the website said "Berks". But I <<>> From dianeh@corecom.net Tue Jan 22 11:33:11 2002 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:29:44 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: heads up cousins--Winter Olympics and Alaska Dear cousins, I can't keep from boasting about the upcoming Olympics because our state has just found out that we have more athletes competing than any other. Now this may not be a surprise to most of you who think we live in total ice and snow, but with a very small population (600,000 total) and two recent winters which have not been much good for snow, it IS something to crow about. If you catch it today you can read a short article from our Anchorage Daily News that tells more: http://www.adn.com/front/story/753478p-803531c.html The best news is that our son Loren cross country skied with 2 of the Olympians (Jeremy Teela and Rachel Steer) at his high school--not that he was in their league, but at least he had some good examples. And the youngest Olympian member, 19 yr old Kikkan Randall skied in the high school races from a competing Anchorage High school. Funny thing, Kikkan's aunt was a former x-c Olympian who was Loren's ski coach when he skied with a children's program at about age 12. It's almost an incestuous relationship among all the skiers here. Actually it was Rachel Steer who gave Loren his high school nickname when he was a freshman. So if the large TV stations will give any coverage to the lowly Biathlon and cross country races, you might see Steer and Teela (Biathlon which is shooting and xc skiing) and Kikkan, plus the 4 time Olympian, Nina Kemppel in the regular cross country races. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Jost Pfannekuchen news items Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:58:46 -0800 Hi, I run across this on the internet today. I thought it was interesting. Vivian Submitted and coded by David L. Boucher DLB613@mindspring.com "Genealogical Data Relating to the German Settlers of Pennsylvania and Adjacent Territory (from Advertisements in German Newspapers Published in Philadelphia and Germantown 1743-1800)" by Edward W. Hocker (ISBN 0-8063-0878-8) p. 41; 16 Jun 1754; Jost Pfannekuchen gives notice that those who bought goods at vendue of property of the late Christofel Trube, of Hilltown Twp., Bucks Co., should make payment. p. 64; 20 Aug 1757; William Althouzs of Falckner Swamp, Philadelphia Co. [now Montgomery], two miles from Jost Pfannekuchen, advertises that his German servant, Christofel Barel, 18 years old, ran away. p. 75; 5 Jan 1757; Jost Pfannekuchen, of Franconia Twp., Philadelphia Co. [now Montgomery] offers a plantation for sale in Hilltown Twp., Bucks Co., the former property of the late Christofel Drubi. p. 91; 19 Jun 1761; Bernard Gilbert, Franconia Twp., on Joost Pfannekuchen's place. Note: Advertisements originally published in Pennsylvanische Geschichts-Schreiber by Christopher Sauer (Saur, Sower). The paper's name was later changed to Pennsylvanische Berichte. NB: These are the only mentions of Pfannekuchen or Drubi or variations thereof in this reference. From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Orren Gudgell Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:44:42 -0800 HI, Does anyone have access to the 1900 census for Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota? A search on Genealogy.com said that Orren W. Gudgell was on that census. I would like to know if any other family members were listed with him. I know he filed on 160 acres in N.D. McLean Co. in 1890. We have nothing on him since then. Thank you. Vivian Gudgell From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:20:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Census Speaking of census' info, I forgot to put up a link to the 1880 census until just now... It's near the top of the www.gudgel.org site. I saw an Orren (Gudgel) in the index but probably a different one than Vivian's Orren. boB From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: KY Archives trip Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:25:27 -0500 Hi Folks- I spent a couple of hours at the Kentucky Archives yesterday and specifically searched the record book again (Land Title Disputes) looking for more information on our old Andrew's land in Woodford Co. where I originally found the suit filed some years ago. It's a huge old ledger and hand written with no index other than the notations on the left hand side of the pages noting names of the Plaintiff and Defendants. I did not find anything else but saw lots of entries for this Patrick DORAN (whose heirs were involved in the suit Andrew's heirs filed against). Also many suits pertaining to the area of Rough's Run, Glen's Creek and Adam ROUGH and a Mr. MITCHELL. Mr. Doran owned many acres of land in this area as well as Scott and Fayette County which he had acquired whether legally or illegally. Over time it seems the deeds filed back then were not clearly laid out and marked by a stone, hackberry tree, sugar tree, etc. and boundaries became questionable when they overlapped. There are other ledgers I need to look at but that's all the time I had yesterday. These documents are so old they are held in a special area and you must request they be brought to you and you have to look at them with extreme care in the presence of the staff. The only nagging problem I have is that the suit I originally found never actually reflected any ruling or closure on this case, therefore leading me to believe there must be more somewhere else. My visit wasn't a total loss for me. I did find a 1918 obit from the local newspaper in Franklin Co. (State Journal) for my maternal great great grandmother-not a GUDGEL, but something I hadn't looked up before. I had requested her death certificate so I knew the exact date of death which made it relatively easy to find.. One thing I did notice was that the Archives had sent all family surname files to the Kentucky History Center. They were originally housed in the Kentucky Room there. So now the Archives holdings are mainly the old original county documents and tons of microfilm. Everybody have a great day. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Cc: "Lowell Pankake" Subject: Re: Orren and Mary Alice Gudgell Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:23:30 -0800 Good morning, Lowell, and all Gudgell cousins, Thank you so much, Lowell, for the 1900 census attachment. It came in to me at 3:30 a.m. 1/23/02. (Lowell Pankake sent me the 1900 census for Sherman Twp. McLean Co. N.D. with Orren GUDGELL's family on it.) According to this census report, the elusive Mary Alice GUDGELL was Orren's wife, and her 15 year old son, Clifford PETTYS, was living with them. ORREN was born Jan. 1858, Mary Alice was born Feb. 1862, and Clifford PETTYS was born July 1884 and died 1918. They had a servant, William McClintock, living with them. (probably a ranch hand). Thanks, too, to Bob Gudgell for putting the 1880 census on the Gudgel site. Orren was on the Illinois census living at home with the Milton GUDGELL family. He went to N.D. in 1890. Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Lowell Pankake" Subject: RE: Correction ORREN GUDGELL Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:19:21 -0800 OOOPs! I made a big error on that Orren GUDGELL Census information. I took another look at the scan and the census is for SHERMAN Twp. WAYNE Co. NEBRASKA. I had been looking in the wrong Co. and State for him all the time. Please correct my message to read: (Lowell Pankake sent me the 1900 census for Sherman Twp. WAYNE Co. NEBRASKA with Orren GUDGELL's family on it.) Vivian From: Bob Gudgel Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:54:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Orren Gudgel(l) I notice that the Orren and Milton are one L Gudgel's in this 1880 census. Orren is also listed as a farm hand here, as are all else in the family but the index says Orren is a son. Still one L. So, which is it? Did the name change (gudgeLL) sometime after this? boB Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:22:47 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: Orren Gudgel(l) Bob, I think I have seen two "LL"s earlier in the 1800s mainly in the south. I think the one "L" version went north with the folks and then south again about the turn of the century in Texas and OK. Basically it had to do with those who stayed in KY and used two "LL"s and those who moved on and didn't. At least that is my idea of it. Plus sometimes folks simply didn't know how to spell and the census takers were a prime example, or rather they weren't asked to spell it a certain way. For a long time spelling was not standardized anyway. Dianne G-H From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Bob Gudgel" Subject: Re: Orren Gudgel(l) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:38:49 -0800 Yes, definitely. Orren GUDGELL went to N.D. in 1890 with his brother, Charles Thornton GUDGELL, to file on a homestead. I noticed that Charles was not on the IL. 1880 census, but he must have been gone from the home by that time. CharlesT.. came back from N.D., but Orren stayed there and married the Mary Alice PETTYS, nee MARSH , according to the 1900 census that Lowell Pankake sent me. Mary Alice GUDGELL was mentioned as the sister-in-law of Josephine GUDGELL SPENCER on the newspaper clippings found in the papers of Josephine by her daughter. I don't think there is any doubt about the Milton GUDGELL family on the 1880 census. Milton s/o Mahlon s/o Daniel etc. I don't know if Mahlon used two Ls or if Daniel used two Ls. I haven't seen any primary source documents except the marriage bond between his daughter Lydia and Henry STUCKER that Linda Finnell has. On those papers Daniel's name was GUDSHALL. It seems logical to me that the GUDGELL surname with two Ls was carried on from GUDSHALL with two Ls. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gudgel" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Orren Gudgel(l) : So, do you think this Orren in my 1880 census listing is the same one you're : talking about? : boB : From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Bob Gudgel" Subject: Re: Orren Gudgel(l) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:53:27 -0800 PS. I just looked at the marriage bond between Sally GUDSHALL and Jacob STUCKER signed by Andrew GUDSHALL and witnessed by Andrew GUDSHALL, Junior. That takes us back to Fredrick . These documents may have been signed by the Clerk, but there is no "mark" in the signature. Vivian Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:31:12 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: CA death records & vital stat in general Dear Cousins, I heard on the radio recently that CA had stopped allowing its vital statistics records from being broadcast over certain web sites. But at the same time it was pointed out that other companies still could broadcast and had bought CA's records. One web name was something like "vital records" or "vital search" or "vital stats." I didn't get a chance to write it down and can't find it on various search engines. So does anyone know the correct name for this "vital records" web site? And does anyone know where to find (on the web) very recent death records for CA--like 2 yrs ago? Thanks, Dianne G-H From: "nancy miller" To: , Subject: Re: CA death records & vital stat in general Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:04:53 -0800 Dianne Roots Web had to pull their birth index for CA, but the death index is still at http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi . However it only covers 1940 to 1997. For anything more recent have you used the Social Security Death Index, which was just posted through the end of December 2001? http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi It has seemed pretty complete to me, for anybody that had a Social Security number, even if they weren't old enough to collect social security. Nancy Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:18:24 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Michael and Peggy Gudgel I was looking for the phone number of my grandson in the book and noticed a Michael and Peggy Gudgell. I had to leave a message as they were not home. They live on 68th in Seattle. Does anyone have a handle on his ancestors? I'd like to know if he returns my call. Doyal Gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Michael & Peggy GUDGEL-Washington State Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:33:48 -0500 Doyal- I don't have a clue who they are but I sure hope you let us know when you find out! As long as we keep looking it seems new GUDGEL(L)'s just keep popping up everywhere : ) Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Winter Olympics in Alaska Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:39:47 -0500 Diane- I personally can't wait for the competitions to start. I'll be sure and watch for the names of some of these friends of your too. I know Bill GUDGEL in Evansville is an avid skiier (did I spell that right?). Not only can I not spell it with certainty--I've never been snow skiing on foot before. Now, give me a sled and I used to do belly-whoppers with my brothers when we were kids. Guess there's no comparison, huh? But we did have some good old times then. Linda from KY From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL Researcher's Beware! Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:10:46 -0500 I had to share this with all my cousins. This has to be every researcher's nightmare! Linda TIP #378- CLEANING MOTHER'S HOUSE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandi Gorin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:40 AM Subject: TIP #378 - CLEANING MOTHER'S HOUSE > This tip is presented with permission of the author. It is not to be > republished without his authorization. I have obtained permission to run > this as a tip on KYRESEARCH and in our South Central Kentucky Historical > and Genealogical Society quarterly, "Traces". Thank you. > > TIP #378 - CLEANING MOTHER'S HOUSE. > This is not only a tip, it is a warning to all of us. The author of the > article, which appeared on ancestry.com (see credits below) graciously > consented to allow me to use this on the KYRESEARCH list and I am very > greatful! Michael John Neill has done us all a great favor! > > Cleaning Mother's House - Michael John Neill > > It has been nearly a year since fictional genealogist Barbara passed away. > Her daughter Charlene reflects upon that year in a letter to her friend > Karen. Charlene truly has been busy. Barbara is probably rolling over in > her grave. > > Karen, > > As usual, my cards are late. It has been a busy year. > > We spent much of the year settling up Mother's estate. The house sold well, > but cleaning it took longer than we expected. > > You are probably the only person who did not know Mother was a genealogy > buff. She told practically every human she encountered. I'm convinced that > genealogy "nut" was the most accurate phrase. The stuff was all over the > house. The inheritance would have been enough to pay for my new Mercedes > had she not insisted on spending money on that blasted hobby. I don't know > why she couldn't be more like Tom's mother. Nadine spends her day doing > needlepoint and watching reruns of 50s television shows. Tom just does not > realize how lucky he is, but men never do. My mother had to run off to > cemeteries and courthouses. She even went to a conference in Davenport, > Iowa, last year! Can you imagine? Davenport, Iowa! After she got back, she > was so excited about all that she had learned and all the fun she had. She > was planning on going to another one in California this year. Well the grim > reaper took care of that. > > Because of my promotion to head of knick knack sales at Garbageforless.com, > I had not been home for several years. I was appalled to learn that Mother > had converted my old bedroom into her family history "headquarters." My > shelves of Teen Beat and other magazines documenting my adolescence had > been replaced with old family photographs, copies of old documents, and > something called family group sheets. She even got rid of the pants I wore > to my first junior high dance. I cried at the thought. > > I could not bear to go in the room and be reminded that my childhood had > been stripped from me and replaced with an obsession with the past. I told > the children that if they would clean the room and prepare the items for > the garage (should I say "garbage"?) sale they could have the proceeds. I > learned what true entrepreneurs they are. > > Kenny stripped Mother's hard drive in under ten minutes. I kept hearing him > say "GedCom is GedGone . . . GedCom is GedGone . . ." I have no idea what > it meant, but the computer fetched a good price. Before he unplugged the > computer, he erased all Mom's floppy disks and downloaded public domain > games. He sold these at a nominal price. > > Susan took the old photographs to a flea market and was able to sell many > of them. Some special labels had to be taken off and we had to take them > out of protective envelopes. Mother had written the names on the back of > many of them. At least none of those pictures of depressing old dead people > had our last name written on them. I don't want to be associated with such > sour people. > > Mother had some type of old plat book -- whatever that is. Kenny tore out > the pages individually and sold them separately on Ebay. It was so clever. > His dad said he got much more than if he had left the book in one piece. > > Susan didn't tear the bibles apart though. I thought that showed > tremendously good sense. She's learning that not everything can be marketed > in the same way. The 1790 bible brought her a good penny, but she couldn't > get the one from 1900 to bring more than fifty cents. She donated it to a > local church, and here is where I am so proud of her. We can write if off > as a charitable deduction. Someone had written what they had paid for the > bible on the back cover. Susan converted that to 2001 dollars and will use > that for our tax deduction amount. I've already enrolled Susan in tax > lawyer summer camp this coming August. > > There was some old large certificate of written on heavy paper. The silly > thing wasn't even in English, so why would Mother keep it? Kenny used the > other side to keep track of the things he had sold. Waste not, want not. > When we were finished we put the paper in the recycling bin. > > The kids put an old wedding dress from the 1870s in the washer to get the > stains out. It was terribly filthy. The worthless thing didn't even survive > the extra long cycle and the half-gallon of bleach. It's doubtful we can > even use it for cleaning rags. > > The dress was in some kind of old trunk. I'm not certain what it was for, > but it had a name stenciled on the front in huge letters along with the > name of a town. Susan gave it a good coating of red paint and sold it as a > toy box. > > The filing cabinets were emptied of their contents, as were the three > shelves of binders. Kenny got the bright idea to shred the paper and sell > it in bags as New Year's confetti. The file folders were too heavy to shred. > > The baby did not react well to any of this. She cried and fussed almost the > entire time. Kenny thought she wanted tea, which made no sense to me at > all. As she cried, it sounded like she was saying "family tee." She can't > even talk yet and I think Kenny was hearing things. The baby does look > exactly like my mother though, it's the oddest thing. The fussing didn't > stop until she spit up an entire bottle of strained prunes on my junior > high jeans, which we did find in the basement. They were ruined -- it was > the one real loss. Now my past has really been taken from me -- magazines > and all. > > Charlene > > Whether you have a child like Charlene or not, have you thought about what > might happen to your genealogy collection upon your demise? > > > NOTE: Michael John Neill, is the Course I Coordinator at the Genealogical > Institute of Mid America (GIMA) held annually in Springfield, Illinois, and > is also on the faculty of Carl Sandburg College in Galesburg, Illinois. > Michael is the Web columnist for the FGS FORUM and is on the editorial > board of the Illinois State Genealogical Society Quarterly. He conducts > seminars and lectures on a wide variety of genealogical and computer topics > and contributes to several genealogical publications, including Ancestry > and Genealogical Computing. You can e-mail him at: mneill@asc.csc.cc.il.us > or visit his Web site at: www.rootdig.com/, but he regrets that he is > unable to assist with personal research. All use and access to > Ancestry.com subject to license > > > Col. Sandi Gorin, 205 Clements, Glasgow, KY 42141 (270) 651-9114 > Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ > SCKY resource links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html > < >< God Bless America ><> > > > ==== KYRESEARCH Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send message to KYRESEARCH-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and say unsubscribe in the message. > From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:13:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Anyone know Lori Haupt's email or number? Does anyone on the Gudgel list know how to get a hold of Lori Haupt ? I may have a contact for her on the family info she was looking for. The email I have for her appears to be outdated now... What I have is Lori Haupt" thanks, Bob Gudgel From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: mail request Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:30:59 -0800 Are you watching the super game? Vivian From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:22:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re. sunday afternoon Thanks folks for responding about Lori's email address Got it now. No, not watching the super-bowl. bob Gudgel Everett ,WA PS, I did watch part of the half time show though. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Mail Request Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:10:59 -0500 No, I'm not watching the Super Bowl. Too many other things to do and besides I'm not a football fan. Gary watched most of it. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Adam Teel Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:41:14 -0500 I received the following email message and have tried twice to respond but the message just bounces. Would love to know who this is? Anybody recognize the email address? Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "lukn4kin@pacbell" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Adam Teel > Look for Adam Teel in Elkhart Indiana after death of Hannah Gudgel. I > descend from Hannah on the Musick side, her first husband being Jesse > Musick. Also, there are two Frederick Gottschalks in Pennsylvania. > Ours married Anne Marie. It is his will on internet under > Yahoo-Franconia Mennonite Meetinghouse. Also baptism of one of Andrew's > children. The second Frederick married Anna Detwiler. They are buried > in Lower Salford township. They are not ours. Waiting for confirmation > that our Frederick and Anne Marie are buried in Franconia Mennonite > Meeting Cemetery. Do not know if cemetery is in Bucks or Montgomery > county. Not in Berks which is on opposite side of Montgomery. I know > because my sister lives in Montgomery County. I do not believe that > Andrew was Revolutionary War, would be interested in proof otherwise. > > Nice web site. > > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: HORN or HUNT Atlas? Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:04:42 -0500 Can someone tell me which of these works are said to be fradulent? There is a Horn Atlas and Horn Papers which deal with the early PA history (I believe 3 volumes). I have read numerous time to beware of the documentation but can't remember if it is the Horn Atlas or Hunt Atlas. I think it is the HORN ATLAS and HORN PAPERS which there has been so much discussion about for a number of years.. Anyone know? Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: HORN or HUNT Atlas? Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 05:55:58 -0800 Linda, Here is an address to check it out. The Horn Papers are a hoax. http://littlecalamity.tripod.com/Genealogy/Horn.html Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: HORN or HUNT Atlas? : Can someone tell me which of these works are said to be fradulent? There is : a Horn Atlas and Horn Papers which deal with the early PA history (I : believe 3 volumes). I have read numerous time to beware of the : documentation but can't remember if it is the Horn Atlas or Hunt Atlas. : : I think it is the HORN ATLAS and HORN PAPERS which there has been so much : discussion about for a number of years.. Anyone know? : Linda : From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: 1910 Bath County, KY Obit Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:05:58 -0500 Found this obit and wanted to share it with you. Linda James H. Power Owingsville Outlook, August 23, 1910 James H. Power's Death James H. Power, of White Oak creek, who had been sick for a long time with Bright's disease and other ailments, died about 6 o'clock p.m. Saturday, June 18, and was buried at Longview Cemetery, Bethel about 4 o'clock p.m. Sunday. Deceased was a son of John Power, and was born in 1841. He, with his five brothers and five sisters was born and reared on the waters of White Oak, and lived in the same neighborhood all his life. He married Miss Jane Gudgell, daughter of Thomas Gudgell, and she survives with their two children, Thomas Power of Reynoldsville, and Annie, wife of Curran Maxey, of White Oak. Of his brothers Judge William W. Power, of this twon, and Woodsen Power, of White Oak are the only ones living. The dead are Dick, Dock and Uriah (Bud). The four sisters survive: Mrs. Kate Gillon, of near town; Mrs. George Ann Deatley; Sallie From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Miss Jane GUDGELL, dau. of Thomas GUDGELL Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:20:00 -0500 Hi Folks, I can't place the obit I just sent for James H. POWER, husband of Miss Jane GUDGELL. Jane was the daughter of Thomas GUDGELL of Bath Co. Can someone help me out here? Linda Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:56:18 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: research questions to ask Cousins, I may be to stop over in Salt Lake City on the way back from a conference in Denver next month. It will only be for a day, but I intend to make good use of my time at the Morman Family History Library. What pressing questions should I concentrate on? I have some ideas--like looking into the PA history 1726-60 (including the border problem with VA) in hopes of sorting out Old Andrew's life and perhaps Daniel Gudgel's relationship to Andrew. Do any of you have other ideas on how best to use this precious research time? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes PS For those of you who live in the Salt Lake area, please tell me the cheapest, closest motel to the Family History Center. Fo those of you who may be in the Denver area, I could also use some good ideas for cheap places to stay near downtown (I know such places may not exist downtown). From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 18 22:08:43 2002 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA21043; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:08:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:08:20 -0800 Message-ID: <001e01c1b90c$44f46ce0$26633e04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , "Gudgel List" References: <008c01c1b8db$2d6f44e0$2016fc9e@lindascomputer> Subject: Re: Miss Jane GUDGELL, dau. of Thomas GUDGELL Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:11:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"fPKn72.0.f85.JlUSy"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2303 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Hi Linda, Look at Thomas Fletcher,s/o Allen s/o Andrew Jr. s/o Andrew Sr. Her Name is Rebecca Jane b. abt 1842 married James H. Powers 5 Nov. 1863. Does that help? Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: Miss Jane GUDGELL, dau. of Thomas GUDGELL : Hi Folks, : I can't place the obit I just sent for James H. POWER, husband of Miss Jane : GUDGELL. : Jane was the daughter of Thomas GUDGELL of Bath Co. : : Can someone help me out here? : Linda : : From: "Mia" Subject: James H. Powers and Rebecca Jane Gudgel Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:16:19 -0500 Bruce Power has posted a Gedcom and it includes our Rebecca Jane Gudgell = at http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/power2/01307 Her father Thomas F.J. Gudgell is at = http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/power2/01009 with all the kids. It had = some information I didn't have. Mia Fleegel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Mary E. Wingert 1931-2001 Obituary Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:10:26 -0500 Hi Folks- I only recently found out that one of our GUDGEL(L) researchers, Mary WINGERT, passed away last year. I had not heard from her for some time and heard from a cousin of hers, Pat AGNEW, that she had died. Pat is going to try and continue with Mary's research so hopefully we will hear more from her soon. Pat lives in Mooresville, Indiana and she sent me Mary's obituary to share with you. Mary was descended from Abraham GUDGEL and Anne Elizabeth BURCH so some of you may remember hearing from her at some point. I will miss her enthusiasm in this research. She loved researching her family. >From the Olney Daily Mail, Olney, Illinois. Thursday, February 1, 2001 MARY E. WINGERT, 69 Mary E, Wingert, 69, of Olney, died at 5:50 a.m. Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at St. John's Hospital in Springfield. Visitation will be from 6 to 8 p.m. Friday at Summers-Kistler Funeral Home in Olney. Funeral services will be at 10 a.m. Satuday at the funeral home with Reverend Mel Nead officiating. Burial will be in the Haven Hill Cemetery in Olney. Mrs. Wingert was born on August 9, 1931, in Clay County, the daughter and youngest of nine children of Jesse Marion II and Elizabeth Caroline (Gillispie) Stanley. She married Loren D. "Red" Wingert on May 9, 1952, in Richland County. He preceded her in death on December 4, 1984. She worked from 1953 to 1980 at Richland Memorial Hospital in Olney with several of those years as operating room head nurse. She worked from 1980 to 1990 at Weber Medical Clinic as office nurse and private scrub nurse for several of the surgeons. She went to Wilson School, a one room grade school in Richland County, and Olney Area High School in 1948. She was a 1951 graduate of Paris Hospital School of Nursing in Paris and a graduate of Indiana University, Indianapolis campus in psychiatry and newborn intensive care. Mrs. Wingert is survived by two sons, Loran David Wingert and his wife, Carla, of Olney, and Joe Douglas Wingert, and his wife, Cindy, of Olney; a sister, Maxine Buckley, or New Port Richey, FL in winter and Crown Points, IN in summer; twp step grandchildren, one grandson, several nieces, nephews, grand-neices, grand-nephews, great grand-neices and great grand-nephews. She was preceded in death by her parents, husband, three brothers, Roscoe, Jess H. Picken and Marion L. Glenn Stanley, and 4 sisters, Beulah Abel, Ethel Kelm, Dorothy Thomas and Pauline Pool. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Trip to Mormon Library Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:44:43 -0500 Diane- I wish I were going with you!! I do think one of the more burning issues is our inability to document that Daniel GUDGEL was, in fact, the son of our old Andrew. I think we all feel for sure he is but we've not ever proved it. I know there are several researchers who are frustrated trying to find the answer. I hope it works out where you can go! That would be a wonderful trip I think. Linda from Kentucky Cold nights and spring like days. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Trip to Mormon Library Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:45:30 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: Trip to Mormon Library > Diane- > > I wish I were going with you!! I do think one of the more burning issues is > our inability to document that Daniel GUDGEL was, in fact, the son of our > old Andrew. I think we all feel for sure he is but we've not ever proved > it. I know there are several researchers who are frustrated trying to find > the answer. > > I hope it works out where you can go! That would be a wonderful trip I > think. > Linda > from Kentucky > > Cold nights and spring like days. > From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:59:23 EST Subject: Linda of KY Linda or anyone who can answer my question. Linda first of all, I think in your notes to Mary, you ask if anyone in Gibson Co knew about Andrew's mark "A". I wrote to Ruth and she wrote to cousin in Ohio. You may know the cousin. She is Juanita Gudgel Diorio. She wrote me a letter and sent me a lot of information which I have been going over. She was aware of his mark but not his wife. Now my question: I now there is a lot for me to absorb but in all of everyones notes, I can't find a place for my Abraham b. 6-10-1814 to 11-20-1880 belived by Mary to have been born in IN but known to be burried in IL with wife Anna Elizabeth "Betsy" Burch ( or any of the spellings of it). At one time Mary and I had a possible 23 children for Andrew but I have been unable so far to prove and you people (total) do not account for them either. I am through the daughter Esther Ann Gudgel Sager Wingert b. 9-71843 in IN. We have her last marriage license and she listed parents. Next question: Has anyone proved that it was just Fredrick and son Andrew that came over her to PA or was it Fredrick and son along with brother Andrew? I question this from the property bought in PA. Penn brothers gave land to one Andrew and another Andrew bought land. Unless it was side by side, why was there two purchases in the name of Andrew? HELP HELP !!!!!!!! Thanks for anything. Pat A. From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:10:37 EST Subject: Re: Linda of KY Am not sure that this went out so will send again. My computer is acting up. From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , Subject: Re: Linda of KY Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:05:32 -0800 Pat, According to information posted on 28 Nov.1999 by Mia Fleegel, she has your Abraham born 6-10-1814 as the son of Abram Gudgel b. 26 Jan 1786 in Va. and Elizabeth Harbison b. abt. 1785. They were married 12 July 1808. One unknown child born 1809 and Abraham, born 1814 Clark Co. KY. Your Abraham would be a grandson of Andrew Sr. and great grandson of Frederick . Maybe Mia has gathered more information since 1999. Does anyone have more children for Abram and Elizabeth Harbison? Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Linda of KY : Linda or anyone who can answer my question. : <<>> From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:27:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Linda of KY Mia sent me this from her early research in Madison, Indiana. Abraham Gudgel - will inventory - Will Book A, page 49 Jefferson Co., Indiana - dated 7th of October 1815. There is a lengthy inventory included. It appears that Abraham had died, and there were no other children that Mia and I ever found other than the two Vivian mentioned. The first child, a male, appears in the 1810 census of Woodford Co., Kentucky, as being under 10 years of age. Then he never is heard of again. We do show that Elizabeth may have remarried to Thomas Akers. The following is probably a Jefferson County, Indiana, marriage record - Thomas Acre, Elizabeth Gudgil 5 November 1818 by Sam McKinley, JP. I do not have the source noted. I hope this helps. Ardath Potts From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , Subject: Re: Linda of KY Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:05:32 -0800 Pat, According to information posted on 28 Nov.1999 by Mia Fleegel, she has your Abraham born 6-10-1814 as the son of Abram Gudgel b. 26 Jan 1786 in Va. and Elizabeth Harbison b. abt. 1785. They were married 12 July 1808. One unknown child born 1809 and Abraham, born 1814 Clark Co. KY. Your Abraham would be a grandson of Andrew Sr. and great grandson of Frederick . Maybe Mia has gathered more information since 1999. Does anyone have more children for Abram and Elizabeth Harbison? Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Linda of KY : Linda or anyone who can answer my question. : <<>> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: From Linda Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:56:34 -0500 Hi Folks- Just to let you know that my mother-in-law, Edna "Polly" Finnell, passed away Monday a.m. at the Heritage Hall Nursing Home in Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY. She was 82 years old and had a serious stroke about 3 weeks ago. She had her first one last April and had been at the Nursing Home since then. She was a very special lady to me. A great mother-in-law and a wonderful grandmother to my children. Tonight was the "visitation" (remember our discussion on this?). Tomorrow is the funeral so I will be away from the computer a day or so. Her passing was very peaceful and for that we are thankful. She was a widow sicne 1967 and had 2 children, Sandra and my husband, Gary. My daughters were her only grandchildren and they were her pride and joy. Will talk to you soon. Linda from KY-bitter cold and heavy flurries. Not a good day for a funeral I guess. From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:38:23 EST Subject: Sorry - Sorry !!!!!! Bill First of all-------I'm sorry. There was a reason Mary never said anything about Don Bundy. You did say Esther's brother but I should never have said anything until I checked my records. I can't keep this stuff in my nhead like Mary and you other people. I had wrong line in mind. We do have pictures of Wm. S.'s stone. Mary found him in Cemetery Book so one day on way home---I found and checked it out. We had been chasing a Melissa also. When I found stone - her name was on one side. so she was his second wife according to dates. (4 Pictures_ Grave yard was hard to find but in Illinois, east of Olney (Maybe on old notes if I still have) How much do you want of Esther? She is one we researched. I have marriage License for Abraham & Eliz in Clark Co. IN I have several pictures of Esther and some of her children. Also as I said, her original home with John Wingert. So how far do you go on relatives. I just stick to blood line and list of siblings names and spouses if I have. Like I said--I need address--can't work on computer so let me know and again, I am very sorry for the mis-information. It will not happen to anyone again. Oh yes, I have pictures (not real goo but will put info on back) of Abraham - died in 1880 in a very old grave yard in middle of corn field. P.s. wish they had known and used different first names. It sure would have been a lot easier. Pat From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Land records of Henry and Lydia (Gudshall) Stucker Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:59:27 -0800 Hello. Cousins Henry Stucker (1766-1834) Land Records This may be of interest to the descendents of Lydia Ann, dau. of Daniel Gudshall/Gudgell. We have records of this same land when Daniel and Rachel sold their share to Henry Stucker and their daughter, Lydia Ann. I belong to a Stucker mail list and there I found this post from Nancy Waller . It is a record of the division of Henry Stucker's land after his death and the sale to the Pattisons et al. I have a list of his children if anyone is interested. Vivian *********************** Nancy Waller - Oct 19, 2001 Categories: Land Records Deed Book Land Contracts for Henry Stucker’s Land Section 3, Township 2, Range 9 (Jefferson County, Indiana) 1) Eli Stucker and Ester Ann Stucker of Jefferson County, heirs at law of Henry Stucker late of said county…..the undivided twelfth part of 105 and ¾ an acre in the north west quarter of section 3, township two, range nine east in the county of Jefferson and State of Indiana…..to Napoleon B. Pattison, his heirs and designs. Dated: February 8, 1846 2) George Stucker and Cordilla Stucker, his wife, Stephen and Louisa Stucker, his wife, Jacob Stucker and Jane Stucker, his wife and Elizabeth Cantrell, all of the county of Jefferson and State of Indiana…in consideration of the sum of two hundred and ten Dollars …….heirs at law of Henry Stucker late of said county, ….includes the undivided third part of one hundred five ½ of an acre in the northwest quarter of section three township two, Range nine east in the county of Jefferson, and state of Indiana now in the seizer and possession of the said John Pattison and Napoleon B. Pattison, together ….. Dated: March 21, 1846 3) Eli Stucker and Susan Stucker his wife and George W. Burch and Mary Burch his wife all of the county of Jefferson and State of Indiana…..sum of thirty dollars to them…..unto Allen Snider of the county and state of Indiana and to his heirs and assigns forever…..Eli Stucker and Susan Stucker and George W. Burch and Mary Burch heirs at law of Henry Stucker late of said county….which includes the undivided one twenty fourth part of one hundred five acres in the north west quarter of section three Township two Range nine East in the county of Jefferson and State of Indiana now in the seizer and possession of the said Allen Snider……Dated: August 15, 1846 4) Mary Pattison, Margaret Reddenbaugh and other Pattisons….2/5 part of 5/12 of 105 acres…..consideration of $150 … to John Pattison…. Dated: September 9, 1846 5) George Reddenbaugh and Margaret, his wife of Fountain County, state of Indiana…. 1/12 part of 105 acres….consideration of $75.00…to John Pattison….Dated: October 5, 1846 6) Willis and Mary Stucker, his wife of Schuyler County, Illinois ….heirs at law of Henry Stucker ….. consideration of $55 …. to John Pattison … Dated: May 12, 1847 7) Henry, Frederick, Stephen, James, Thomas, heirs of Samuel, heir of Henry……1/12 of 105 acres northwest section 3 –T2-R9E…. consideration…$60.00 ….. Dated: August 3, 1847 8) David and Nancy Stucker of County of Bureau, state of Illinois…..to John Pattison …. 1/12 of …….Henry Stucker, father of David Stucker….. consideration of $50…… Dated: August 25, 1847 9) James Robb and Eliza Jane Robb of Fulton County, Illinois ….1/12 of 106 acres… section 3 – 2-9 ….to John Pattison ….consideration of $70 ……. Dated: October 7, 1847 10) “This indenture made this the 4th day of July in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and forty eight, Between William Plake Sarah Plake wife formally Sarah Stucker and Henry Stucker heirs of Henry Stucker deceased late of Jefferson County and State of Indiana of the first part & John Patterson of Jefferson County & State of Indiana of the second part …., that the said party of the first part for and in consideration of the sum of sixty Dollars Lawful money of the United States To the said Party of the first part by the party of the second part in …. The receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged have granted bargained & sold & by these present do grant bargain sell & convey & confirm unto the said party of the second part his heirs and assigns forever all the following described piece or parcel of land The undivided one twelfth part of one hundred and five acres & a half & said Henry Stucker. The … third part of the north part of the North West quarter of section three Township two range nine East in the county of Jefferson the same being all the real estate which Henry Stucker the father of Sarah Stucker now Sarah Plake & said Henry Stucker son of John Stucker heir of Henry Stucker deceased D.. seized in the county of Jefferson & State of Indiana & the one twelfth part whereof being all the interest of the said Parties of the first part in the real estate of said Deceased to have and to hold the above described premises with all the improvements and a….. to the same belonging to the said party of the first part for themselves & their heirs Do hereby covenant with the said party of the second part their heirs that are lawfully seized …. Of the premises aforesaid that the premises are free & clear fro, all incumbrances whatever & that they will forever warrant & defend the same & the quiet and peaceable profession there of together with the app….. to the same belonging …taining unto the said John Patterson & his heirs & assigns. In witness where of the said party of the first part have here unto set their …. & seals the day & year above written Signed Sealed and Delivered in the presence of William Plake John Green Sarah Plake Heil B. Green Henry Stucker