Start March 6 2002 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Pa. Archives Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:32:58 -0800 Hello Cousins, I just run across this on the Quaker-L Archives tonight. I have not tried it yet, but sounds good. Happy hunting! Vivian Gudgell Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:51:13 -0400 N E W S R E L E A S E COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA Historical and Museum Commission Commonwealth News Bureau Room 308, Main Capitol Harrisburg, PA 17120 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: John K. Robinson (717) 783-9882 PHMC ANNOUNCES HISTORICAL RECORDS NOW AVAILABLE ON PA POWERPORT ODigital State Archivesı to allow 24/7 access to historical records HARRISBURG (July 3) -- On behalf of Gov. Tom Ridge, Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission (PHMC) Executive Director Brent D. Glass today announced Pennsylvanians now ­ for the first time -- can access historical records through the PA PowerPort. The Archives Records Information Access System (ARIAS) will enable Pennsylvanians and researchers from around the world to utilize the tremendous resources of the Pennsylvania State Archives right from their homes or local libraries. The records can be accessed through the PA PowerPort at www.state.pa.us or directly at the Commissionıs site at www.phmc.state.pa.us. ³With the click of a mouse, students, teachers, family researchers and history buffs will be able to view online historical records maintained at the State Archives in Harrisburg,² Glass said. ³Our goal is to provide easy, cost-free access to historical records that constitute our most valuable window to the past. We think of it as the 'Digital State Archives.'² Currently, ARIAS offers approximately 200,000 images relating to the participation of Pennsylvanians in the Revolutionary War, Spanish-American War and World War I. The Revolutionary War records are arranged alphabetically by the surname of each soldier, with information on service in the Pennsylvania Militia, Pennsylvania Line, and the Navy; the name and rank of soldier; active or inactive duty; county of residence; battalion in which served; and the archival record from which the information was extracted. More than 300,000 Civil War and Mexican Border Campaign service card images also are being loaded into the system. Eventually, millions of digitized records, ranging from 19th-century county birth, death and marriage dockets to collections of photographs illustrating every aspect of the Pennsylvania experience, will be added. ³Genealogists are hungry for access to records such as these,² said James Beidler, executive director of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania. ³The beauty of the resources found in ARIAS is that they will lead researchers to the original source documents, which is what every family historian yearns to find about his or her ancestors.² The online archive is just the latest example of how Pennsylvania is using technology to cut red tape From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Thank You Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:29:52 -0500 Hi Folks- Just wanted to thank you all for your kind words of condolence, cards and prayers since the death of my mother-in-law. We are just trying to adjust and get our lives back to some kind of normalcy at this point. "Nanny" played a big part of our lives as so many grandparents do. Hope I haven't missed anything important. Will try and get back to genealogy soon. I know we had discussed trying to have a meeting of cousins in Gibson Co., IN this fall. Would someone closer than myself be interested in arranging this? It might be easier for someone closer to Gibson Co. I'm open for any ideas. I think Juanita Diorio suggested having someone meet and talk to us about the family. Ernie Lasley, local historian, might be a good person to do this. There are descendants of the Stone family who have also shown interest in this cemetery according to Mr. Lasley. And we would have to contact Robert GUDGEL, who lives on the farm to see when would be a good time to visit. I am told we need to wait till the corn is harvested which would make it later than October I think. (How late do you harvest corn?). Guess I've been away from the farm too long . Must be a city girl now! Thanks again for your kindnesses. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Pa. Archives-Godshalk records Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:24:43 -0800 Hi, I just accessed the Pa. digitized archives (the URL is on my previous post). I found Rev. War records for Daniel Godshalk, Jacob Godshalk, John Godshalk and William Godshalk. Take a look at them and tell me if you think they are ours. There are other Godshalks too like Frederick Godshalk, Garrett Godshalk, and Samuel Godshalk. Most of them were on inactive duty and paid fines for not showing up. However, Daniel enlisted in 1777 for the duration. The first date I have on file for Daniel, is 1780 when he married Rachel Gause. Maybe he was "out of union" because he was serving in the army. This could be another family of cousins, but we don't know which family Daniel belongs to, do we? Vivian Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:30:59 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: Re: still time to submit ideas for research You all still have a little time to submit ideas for research at the Salt Lake Family History Library. I would like to concentrate on the earliest history of Old Andrew's time and his siblings and parents if that is possible. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:59:54 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Pa. Archives-Godshalk records Vivian, We know Daniel Gudgel is related somehow but we don't know if he was a son to Old Andrew or an uncle etc. I bookmarked the PA site you sent us, thanks. But I can't look into it right now but please tell us more about Daniel and his Rev War duties. Does it say where he came from in PA? We know he had land near Old Andrew in what is now Fayette Co, PA in the 1770s, right? He eventually died in ILL at his children's place, right? Tell us more please and thanks again. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:09:31 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Pa. Archives-Godshalk records Vivian, Where did you actually search to find the information on Daniel? There are so many choices in the PA web site that I got lost before I found anything. Please tell me which links you used after you got into the main home page. Thanks, Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Daniel Godshalk Rev. War Records Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:30:56 -0800 Dianne, The Rev. War records that I found for DANIEL GODSHALK looked like pay vouchers to me, and they didn't give the home address for DANIEL. The ones for FREDERICH/K were from Philadelphia Co..The ones for JOHN were from Bucks Co.. There are several JACOBS from Phila. City. I think there may be more than one JACOB listed because their rank progresses from 2d Lieutenant to private. I don't think that I have any land records in 1770 for DANIEL. His land was patented to him in 1814. The land he sold in Pa. in 1814, was an inheritance of Rachel, his wife. His will was entered in the court at Jefferson Co. Indiana, I think he died in Indiana not Illinois. My information on Daniel, came from various posts from Mia Fleegel. When are you leaving on your trip? Dennis and Patsy are leaving for Fiji and their boat 'The Harrier' today. Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Fw: Quaker-Roots Reference Material Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:14:04 -0800 Cousins, Dianne thought this URL should be sent to the gudgel-list. So I am forwarding my message to Dianne. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: Quaker-Roots Reference Material : Dianne, : If you are going to search LDS files, you probably will need this. : It is a list of definitions of MM abbreviations. : : http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/quakdefs.htm : : Vivian : From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Franconia Petition Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:34:00 -0800 Hi, Cousins, I found a petition about the founding of Franconia Twp. I will attempt to translate it. Spelling and punctuation are as printed. Vivian Gudgell *************************** Taken from "HISTORY of SOUDERTON, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania" compiled by Henry S. Landes. Reprinted from the Souderton Independent 1930. On March 31st, 1731, the Court entered a decree establishing the Township of Franconia, containing 14.87 square miles, or 9,520 acres of land. The petition presented to the Court was as follows: To the Court of Quarter Sessions to be held for the County of Philadelphia the sixth day of March, Anno Domi, One Thousand seven hundred and thirty one/two. The Petition of the inhabitants living near & about the branch of Skipack & Perkiomy, between Salford Township & Bucks County line. Humbly Sheweth: That there are settled a great many families near & about the branch of Skipack & the North East branch of Perkiomy & between Salford Township & Bucks County line aforesaid. Now for as much as your petitioners case is such that they think it is too great a circuit for one Constable (to serve in Salford & also where your Petitioners live) and that your Petitioners living next to the sd Bucks County line are humbly of opinion that it would be more Convenient for them if there was a township laid out. Therefore your Petitioners both for the Publick good & their own Conveniency, Earnestly desire that you will be pleased to take the premises into your consideration and order that a Township to be laid out & established adjoining to the Salford & County line accordingly as you shall think fit and your Petitioners shall thankfully acknowledge your favour in the premises & be obliged ever to pray as in duty bound. Lenert Christel Jacob furman Yost Shenler Fridrich Gottshall Yost Pankuk Henry Zirkel george german Henry Rosenberger John frey Andreas Bernd Pillip Rudi Michiel Hans John Hans filip trout William houk Chiristian Mier Uly Hunsberger Michel Berge Henry Bernd Joseph Aldhous Jacob Bayard Andres trumpo Hans Hunsberger Jacob Hansberger Jacob Oberholtzer Jacob Funk Sholl George Stewart Conrad costurt John Cressman Lewish Zirkel George hartsel John Stump The draft or plan was made by Henry Panebecker, and is dated 1731. It also had the following written thereon: "The Inhabitants are willing the township should be called Franconia". *************************** Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:20:38 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Franconia Petition Thanks Vivian! As you can see all the names of Frederick Gotshall's sons-in-law are listed here! Good job! I'd like to know more about what the area was called and it's limits before Franconia was established. It is a little unclear what it means when they say "between Salford Township & Bucks County line" I don't if a progression of maps exist that overlay a modern map to show us the difference, but if anyone finds these maps, please let me know. I don't recall if the big Salt Lake Library has a good map collection. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Vivian Gudgell" , Subject: Re: Franconia Petition Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:10:14 -0800 For Dianne, Alright, I will insert a paragraph into the message that I was too lazy to type the first time. It may answer some of your questions. Vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Franconia Petition Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:59:56 -0500 Vivian- What wonderful news! Where did you find this? At least we know Fridrich Gottshall (Fredrick Gottschalk) was there in 1731. And Yost Pannkuch, his son in law. And the Trout fella could have been Crout (???). Good work! Linda From: GudgelDoc@cs.com Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:07:45 EST Subject: Mia To: dianeh@corecom.net, V.Gudgell@verizon.net Mia, can you e-mail me off line. I have something on Gudgel's in ill I want to discuss with you. I hired a local researcher to run down a couple of things that you may be able to help on. Thanks Larry Gudgel Dayton Ohio BTW--I took an assignment to San Antonio for an August 2002 move today. So I will me leaving this area thanks to the Air Force. I will be relocating to San Antonio Texas in August to Wilford Hall Medical Center at Lackland Ari Force Base. Come and see me when you can.. At least I am not sleeping on the cold hard ground in Afghanistan tonight. I am surprised I am not. From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Franconia Petition Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:11:43 -0800 Linda. I have access to an online service through my local library . It is called "Genealogy & Local History Online" It is subscribed to by the local library and you can access it from home. I just found it a few days ago. It is a new service at my library, but I found it at the Cleveland Library a year or so ago. I needed a Cleveland library card to get into the files. which I didn't have. I suggest that you check if your library subscribes to this service. Most of the libraries have Ancestry.com, but you have to access them from the library computers. This one you can access from home using your library card number. Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Abraham and Anne Elizabeth Burch Gudgell Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:36:50 -0800 Hello People, Can you help this lady out? I was talking on the Michael Stocker mail-list about Abraham GUDGLE listed on the 1840 Saluda Jefferson Co. IN. Census list. On the next line down was a BURCH couple. I received this request from Nancy Waller. I don't have A. Elizabeth's parents or any other information about her family. Vivian Nancy wrote: >Nancy Waller - Mar 26, 2002 Vivian, What do you know about Anne Elizabeth Burch's family? Is there a connection to the Selby Burch listed above? I have a Mary Stucker, daughter of John and Margaret Snodgrass Stucker (I think), married to a George Burch in the 1840's. Is there a connection there - do you know? Also, there are some Birch's married to Davis' in Saluda Township - do you know where the Birch family was from before coming to Indiana? Thanks, Nancy From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Abraham GUDGEL and Anne Elizabeth BURCH Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:19:42 Vivian- I've looked but didn't find the parents of Anne Elizabeth BURCH in my research. I'd be interested to know also. Linda Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:02:34 -0800 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Ernest W. Ripy, Jr. - Obit Hi Folks- This morning's paper contained an obit I was saddened to see. Ernest W. Ripy, Jr., age 89, one of our newsletter subscribers, passed away Monday, March 25, 2002. Known locally as "Ernie", he was well known in his native Lawrenceburg, Anderson County, KY and was quite successful in his business interests. Ernie was a GUDGEL descendant as follows: Parents: Ernest Whitney Ripy, Sr. and Madeline Johnson Grand Parents: Thomas B. Ripy and Sallie Elizabeth Fidler Great Grand Parents: James Catlett Fidler and Susan M. Gudgel Gr Gr Grand Parents: Elijah Gudgel and Lydia Bell If any of you are familiar with good Kentucky bourbon you will know the brands called Old Ripy or Wild Turkey. Ernie was descended from a long line of bourbon distillers and in fact his wife was a Frazier--another name (Frazier and Waterfill) who were also distillers. His obit was quite long and reflected his many accomplishments as well as his family. I won't submit it in it's entirety but some of the highlights were: A master distiller, retired as vice president of Austin Nichols Distillery in 1978 after 42 years in the bourbon industry. He began his career at his family's Ripy Brothers Distillery in Anderson Co. His father was instrumental in starting the distillery after Prohibition ended. Mr. Ripy's grandfather, Thomas B. Ripy, also was a distiller, as was his great grandfather, James P. Ripy, who came to Kentucky from County Tyrone, Northern Ireland. Ripy Brothers changed hands over the years and now is called Austin Nichols Distillery. It produces Wild Turkey bourbon whiskey. Mr. Ripy also was a former co-owner, vice-president and director of Lawrenceburg Transfeer, a trucking firm. He was born in Lawrenceburg, graduated from Lawrenceburg High School in 1931. He was thought to be Anderson County's first Eagle Scout, having received that honor at 15 years of age. He graduated from Purdue University in 1935 and was commissioned a 2nd lieutenant in the Army. He served in the Army 1941-45 and served with the 45th Field Artillery Battalion in the 8th Infantry, receiving a Bronze star for bravery. He also received a Silver star for courage after twice leading his men out of heavy gunfire in April, 1945 in Germany. He retired as a colonel in the Army Reserve in 1973. He also held many civic offices in Lawrenceburg and served as a bank director. He was an avid genealogist also and loved to talk about his family history. He was one of the founding members and organizers of the Anderson Co. Historical Society also. He had an easy laugh and was a very pleasant person to know. He never gave the impression he was wealthy and treated everyone the same. We always talked about him taking me to an old rural private cemetery in Anderson Co. to show me where Susan Gudgel Fidler was buried. I guess I have missed an opportunity since we never got around to going. I will miss Ernie. Linda from Kentucky Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:42:18 -0800 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL item on eBay I just found another GUDGELL item on eBay! This one's great. 1917 Marsh Family Photo Album (Item #1717063671) 484 Photos. Belonged to Mary Alice GUDGEL(L). (Maiden name may have been Marsh or Miller). Mary Alice was b. 1862 in New York. 3 brothers and 3 sisters. She married (1)Merritt PETTY and (2) Orin GUDGELL. At her death she was living in Alliance, Nebraska, north east of Sholes. A Mr. and Mrs. Al Marsh lived near or with her at her residence. Some of many names identified in pictures were Tom, Lester, Dad Miller, Opal, Kath, George, Mom and Dad Marsh, etc. It shows pictures of the album, a group photo and her obit. The name Opal caught my eye. Does anyone know who this family is or where it fits in our GUDGEL tree? I would love to have the album. It's up for bids beginning at $75.00 and ends in 5 days. Whoa.... a bit steep but will have to think about it. What do you guys think? I've emailed the seller to see how they came to have it. And who is Orin GUDGELL?? Somebody give me some leads on this! Linda Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:34:52 -0800 From: "bowen" Subject: CHANGE OF ADDRESS RC BOWEN 2816 LEWIS DR LOMPOC, CA 93436 res0xpr4@verizon.net Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:06:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re. Gudgel on ebay >The name Opal caught my eye. Does anyone know who this family is or >where it fits in our GUDGEL tree? We had an uncle Opal that lived in Chowchilla, CA. I remember him... Other than the name Opal, I don't remember any of these other names and I don't seem to see any reference to any of these in Opal's story of the migration (www.gudgel.org). BTW, here's a cut and paste of the ebay text. Didn't Vivian mention an Orin Gudgell somewhere along the line? Pretty neat album though. Sounds like someone should get it. Happy Easter! boB Very Full Black Photograph Album ~ Contains 484 Photos ~ Measures approx. 11" x 7 1/4" ~ Oblong, ties on left side. Family of: Mary Alice Gudgell, who was born in New York, 1862. She M1) Merritt Pettys and had one son Clifford who D) 1918 & who was with the U.S. Calvary. Mary married 2nd: Orin Gudgell. At the time of Marys death Mr & Mrs Al Marsh were living with her in or near Alliance, Nebraska. Mary had 3 brothers: Albert, Fred, John, (It seems John may have been in Indiana) ~ Mary had sisters: Abbie (in Pennsylvania), Lydia and Mrs Carston who was living in South Dakota. It looks like the Indiana folks were from the Hammond area. The post card type photo pictured is of: Mae, Lee, Sylvia & Mother. Other names on the photos are: Grandma * Mother * Mae * Tom * Lester * Dad Miller * Opal * Kath * George * Mother Marsh * Dad Marsh *** A variety of sizes, all except one or two tightly glued, I have not tryed to take off to see if there is any writing on the back of them. Many are not marked, the others are named on the front of the photo. At the time of Mary's death she was living on her farm NE of Sholes. She was Born at Green Valley, New York. Other family members or friends: Viola Nickoles * Mae Root (probably the Mae in the photos) * Mrs Arthur Carmony * Mrs Morris Grant * Mr/Mrs Ray Grant * Mrs Charles Schlender *** A few of the middle pages of the album have come loose. Buyer to pay 2.75 shipping, it will be boxed for safety. Any questions feel free to e-mail us. Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:46:13 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: Re. Gudgel on ebay Nice to hear about the album. But I think that name Opal is not our Opal Gudgel from Chowchilla, CA. It would be nice to know the time frame a little better on the album. I suspect the mid-west Gudgel's will want it. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Bob Gudgel wrote: > >The name Opal caught my eye. Does anyone know who this family is or > >where it fits in our GUDGEL tree? > > We had an uncle Opal that lived in Chowchilla, CA. > I remember him... Other than the name Opal, I don't remember > any of these other names and I don't seem to see any reference > to any of these in Opal's story of the migration (www.gudgel.org). > BTW, here's a cut and paste of the ebay text. > Didn't Vivian mention an Orin Gudgell somewhere along the line? > Pretty neat album though. Sounds like someone should get it. > > Happy Easter! > boB > > Very Full Black Photograph Album ~ Contains 484 Photos ~ Measures > approx. 11" x 7 1/4" ~ Oblong, ties on left side. Family of: Mary Alice > Gudgell, who was born in New York, 1862. She M1) Merritt Pettys and had > one son Clifford who D) 1918 & who was with the U.S. Calvary. Mary married > 2nd: Orin Gudgell. At the time of Marys death Mr & Mrs Al Marsh were > living with her in or near Alliance, Nebraska. Mary had 3 brothers: > Albert, Fred, John, (It seems John may have been in Indiana) ~ Mary had > sisters: Abbie (in Pennsylvania), Lydia and Mrs Carston who was living in > South Dakota. It looks like the Indiana folks were from the Hammond area. > The post card type photo pictured is of: Mae, Lee, Sylvia & Mother. Other > names on the photos are: Grandma * Mother * Mae * Tom * Lester * Dad > Miller * Opal * Kath * George * Mother Marsh * Dad Marsh *** A variety of > sizes, all except one or two tightly glued, I have not tryed to take off > to see if there is any writing on the back of them. Many are not marked, > the others are named on the front of the photo. At the time of Mary's > death she was living on her farm NE of Sholes. She was Born at Green > Valley, New York. Other family members or friends: Viola Nickoles * Mae > Root (probably the Mae in the photos) * Mrs Arthur Carmony * Mrs Morris > Grant * Mr/Mrs Ray Grant * Mrs Charles Schlender *** A few of the middle > pages of the album have come loose. Buyer to pay 2.75 shipping, it will be > boxed for safety. Any questions feel free to e-mail us. From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Gudgell on e-bay Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:38:54 -0800 Hi, This is the Mary Alice Gudgell that turned out to be Orren Gudgell's wife. Orren is my husband, Lyle's, great uncle. The Obit of Mary Alice Gudgell was given me by Anita Bracken of Minnesota. Anita is a descendant of Josephine Spencer, Orren Gudgell's sister. I would love to have the album, but I can't afford it. Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: Gudgel Album on Ebay Vivian and others- This is the message I got back from the seller of the Marsh Family Album = on Ebay. Wonder how it got to the antique store in Littleton? I have mixed emotions about what to do about this album. So far there = are no bids. If it were my direct family line I wouldn't hesitate to go = for it. Will have to think about this. If it doesn't sell, I wonder if = they would take less just to see it go to the family?=20 Linda ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rwf2255@aol.com=20 To: lfinnell@lex.infi.net=20 Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1717063671 Oh! I am so glad this album found its family! We mainly look for = genealogy type books, but if we happen across a photo album that is = marked we list it for what we pay for it, just hoping a family member = will see it. (Hopefully, we will come across one of ours one of these = days) We found the album at an antique store here in Littleton. =20 Last year we found an very old post card album, all of the same family. = It found its way home, (The Chance Family in Ks) - And Lo! He found = that his grandfather was divorced in the late 1800's, remarried and had = 12 more children.=20 Thanks for checking & Regards, Richard=20 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Album Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:43:53 -0800 Hi Cousins, Anita B. is planning on bidding on the album. Hopefully, she will get it. She said she has a scanner and will share with us if she gets it, and if there are Gudgell pictures. Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Dennis Gudgell and the Harrier list Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:41:07 -0800 Hello, Everyone, I am starting to send updates on Dennis and Pat Gudgell's travels aboard the 'Harrier' again. If you did not receive a copy yesterday or today, your name probably is not on my mailing list. If you want to receive them, just send me your e-mail address. This is a personal list and will not go through the gudgel-list. For those who are new since last year, Our son has a sailing vessel anchored in Fiji at the present time. He was in progress of sailing to Australia, when his son had an accident and killed himself last August. Dennis flew home then, and has just recently returned to Fiji and his sailing boat. Vivian Gudgell From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Ernest W. Ripy, Jr. - Obit Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:27:00 -0500 I sent this obit earlier but apparently it didn't go through. Am sending again just in case some of you didn't receive it. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Ernest W. Ripy, Jr. - Obit > Hi Folks- > > This morning's paper contained an obit I was saddened to see. Ernest W. > Ripy, Jr., age 89, one of our newsletter subscribers, passed away Monday, > March 25, 2002. Known locally as "Ernie", he was well known in his native > Lawrenceburg, Anderson County, KY and was quite successful in his business > interests. > > Ernie was a GUDGEL descendant as follows: > Parents: Ernest Whitney Ripy, Sr. and Madeline Johnson > Grand Parents: Thomas B. Ripy and Sallie Elizabeth Fidler > Great Grand Parents: James Catlett Fidler and Susan M. Gudgel > Gr Gr Grand Parents: Elijah Gudgel and Lydia Bell > > If any of you are familiar with good Kentucky bourbon you will know the > brands called Old Ripy or Wild Turkey. Ernie was descended from a long > line of bourbon distillers and in fact his wife was a Frazier--another name > (Frazier and Waterfill) who were also distillers. > > His obit was quite long and reflected his many accomplishments as well as > his family. I won't submit it in it's entirety but some of the highlights > were: > > A master distiller, retired as vice president of Austin Nichols Distillery > in 1978 after 42 years in the bourbon industry. > He began his career at his family's Ripy Brothers Distillery in Anderson Co. > His father was instrumental in starting the distillery after Prohibition > ended. Mr. Ripy's grandfather, Thomas B. Ripy, also was a distiller, as was > his great grandfather, James P. Ripy, who came to Kentucky from County > Tyrone, Northern Ireland. Ripy Brothers changed hands over the years and > now is called Austin Nichols Distillery. It produces Wild Turkey bourbon > whiskey. > > Mr. Ripy also was a former co-owner, vice-president and director of > Lawrenceburg Transfeer, a trucking firm. He was born in Lawrenceburg, > graduated from Lawrenceburg High School in 1931. He was thought to be > Anderson County's first Eagle Scout, having received that honor at 15 years > of age. He graduated from Purdue University in 1935 and was commissioned a > 2nd lieutenant in the Army. He served in the Army 1941-45 and served with > the 45th Field Artillery Battalion in the 8th Infantry, receiving a Bronze > star for bravery. He also received a Silver star for courage after twice > leading his men out of heavy gunfire in April, 1945 in Germany. He retired > as a colonel in the Army Reserve in 1973. > > He also held many civic offices in Lawrenceburg and served as a bank > director. He was an avid genealogist also and loved to talk about his > family history. He was one of the founding members and organizers of the > Anderson Co. Historical Society also. He had an easy laugh and was a very > pleasant person to know. He never gave the impression he was wealthy and > treated everyone the same. We always talked about him taking me to an old > rural private cemetery in Anderson Co. to show me where Susan Gudgel Fidler > was buried. I guess I have missed an opportunity since we never got around > to going. I will miss Ernie. > > Linda > from Kentucky > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Easter Greetings and Easter's Past Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:07:36 -0500 Hi Folks- Just wanted to wish everyone a Happy Easter. I have just come from early services at my church and as always it brings back a flood of memories of growing up in a Christian family. I notice there aren't as many Easter bonnets now. Even the little girls don't seem to wear them as much. I only saw one this morning. I always had an Easter bonnet as a child. All the little girls did. And as important as the Easter bonnet were the white gloves and white shoes. White shoes used to never be worn till Easter Sunday. And my mother would always make me wear a stiff crinoline slip that made my dress stand out. Those crinoline's were sure scratchy but we knew we looked adorable. I recall an especially heartwarming Easter for me when my family went to sunrise services at our church in Lawrenceburg, Anderson Co., KY. Not sure why this particular Easter stuck in my memory but there was something so very special about being up so early and seeing the sun come up on our Lord's day. Maybe the fact that I was old enough to begin to understand about the resurrection. I was probably about 7 then. And the Easter egg hunts in the church yard. What fun! We used to have only jelly beans and those colored candy eggs with the hard shell. Wasn't unusual to find a couple of them later in the year in the toy box or the closet. And yes, my girls still get Easter baskets at my house. They say you never get too old for the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus! Gary and I were raised in the Baptist church and we have raised our children the same way. I'm sure they can remember special Easter's just as we do. I hope so. I miss my Dad a lot on days like today. Linda from Kentucky From: "Mia" Subject: Happy Easter! Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:57:22 -0500 Hi Gudgel Cousins,=20 I have just returned from a wonderful Easter weekend in New York City. = This past January my husband, son and I moved our two daughters, Laurie = and Kathryn into a Manhattan apartment (88th Street & 2nd Ave). Good = Friday was Laurie's 24th birthday so my husband, mother-in-law and son = John drove down to celebrater her birthday and spend the Easter weekend. = I'm so very proud to report that the girls have been visiting the Park = Avenue United Methodist Church just a few blocks from their apartment = and joined on Palm Sunday. We have attended with them three times and = find the congregation very warm and inviting. About 200 attend each = Sunday. It is a very diverse congregation and is involved in many = outreach programs. We attended a beatiful service today. And yes...the = Easter bunny visited...I told the kids (ages 24, 22 and 17) that he woke = up grandma twice during the night. Laurie officially graduated in Occupational Therapy on January 15th and = took the national licensing exam in early March. She received her = certificate on her birthday! It was a great relief to us all that she = passed!! She has been in a position with a temp agency since January and = is now anxious to start her search for a permanent OT job. Katie is enjoying her new job as an auditor for PricewaterhouseCoopers = and counting her blessing that she didn't sign with Arthur Anderson. = Several of her classmates did and have been advised by the company to = start looking for another job! Life is good in the big city for them so = far.=20 The shadow of September 11th is still deep in New York City. We visited = a ground zero yesterday. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people were in the = area to see the light memorial that shines from 6:30 pm each night into = the sky. The position of the two towers is marked by powerful lights = pointing straight up and it is visible for miles. They are still digging = and have been finding more bodies recently as they reached an area 6 = floors underground that was once the first floor lobby of the first = tower to fall. I don't know if it is my imagination or not but the = people in NYC seem so much more friendly and courteous than they did = before Sept.11th. We also visited an exhibition called "Here is New = York" that displayed images that both amateur and professional = photographers took of the disaster. It was quite moving. The photos are = at www.hereisnewyork.org if you would like to see them. I am still adjusting to my new job as a librarian in a city high school = and come home exhausted each day. I still read every message on the list = and will jump in more often during my time off this summer. Hope you all = had a joyful Easter! Love,=20 Mia Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:34:34 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Hello from Haririer May 1st Vivian you might have missed seeing some Gudgel relatives when you were on Tongatapo. (Dennis & Pat really BG) Early in WW2 the aircraft carrier USS Lexington was sunk in the battle of the Coral Sea. My brother Marion Floyd Gudgel (Rusty) was on it.. Some of the survivors of the Lex were taken to Tongatapo before being reassigned or sent home. I assume there was quite a navy base there. From what I head there might be a little brown Gudgel girl on Tongatapo now. Because military records are sealed for 70 years we don't know if that is the reason Rusty spent some time in the brig there during that period. I think it was against regulations. I do know the brig on Tongatapo does not have any bars on the windows as the island is small and no way to get off the island. After being sent home to Seattle Rusty was assigned to a Destroyer Escort for the remainder of the war although it seems to me he spent some time on a tug boat between Seattle and Alaska. I was in Europe so am not sure of the details. I would appreciate a short description of Tonga if you don't mind. Whatg is it like? Rusty died from cancer several years ago. Doyal Gudgel Sr. Vivian Gudgell wrote: >Patsy wrote May 1st: >Hi Folks, > >I got a little sunburn sitting under the sun awning. I thought I >was protected, but guess the u v protection has gone out of it and >I am a light shade of pink all down my front. > >Had a pizza for our Easter dinner, for Fiji dinner. They make the >crust right in front of you and slice the toppings, too. Then back >to the boat for a nice restful sleep. > >Changed the fuel filters today at 380 hours, and that was from >Tongatapo. Sounds interesting doesn't it, but it is one more thing >that is done for our future trip. We discovered that we had used >the spare alternator belts that we had in storage and need to order >some more. Dennis pulled three liters of yek out of the filters, but >that is what they are for, to get the yek before the engine does. > >WE had some excitement today. A float plane buzzed the bay and then >came in for a landing, then taxied up to the dingy dock and let >three passengers off for the Jon Castole's resort at the end of the >island. The tourist season has started. So this, along with the >fast ferry coming in from Suva, the town turning out for that, and >it docking at the fuel dock across from Harrier, we had quite an >exciting day. > >This was a four bag Top Robin noodle day. We add onions and >carrots, and that is our dinner meal. Then for a treat, we go up to >the copra shed dingy dock and the restaurant and have two cold >Pepsis with ice, and then a third to bring back to the boat to enjoy >with our evening reading. Of course there is a touch of rum in the >one we enjoy in the evening. > >Tomorrow is laundry day and I am going to the internet cafe and sign >on to yahoo and get some addresses that aren't on this computer, >mainly our insurance broker's so I can tell him that we are back >aboard. I am hoping my sunburn is well enough that I can stand >putting on clothes or I am just going to stay in my sarong and go >like that. > >When will the auction be over for the album????? Remember Ray?( Our >grandson Ryan's friend--vg) Well, he signed up and leaves for the >Army the end of next month. Corey (Pat's son--vg) is working for >the Vashon School maintenance Dept. as a temporary until a man who >had back surgery comes back, and Holly [ Corey's girlfriend ] is now >working for Safeway until College starts in the Fall. My Mom does >demo's one day a week, or sometimes two, and she says that pays for >all her dog food, so she is happy with that. But she still has her >paper route--she calls that her extra money. > >That is about all the news from this side of the world, take care >and we Love You Both > >Denny and Pat >------------------------------------------------- > > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Need address Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:12:16 -0500 Can someone email me the address for the Robert Gudgel who lives on the old Gudgel homestead in Owensville, IN. I beleive he was subscribed to this list at one time but haven't heard from him in a long while. Thanks, Linda from Kentucky- cold spell tonight but spring-like weather the rest of the week. Keeneland opens this weekend! (horse racing). Nothing prettier in the spring than Bluegrass Farms and Horse Racing. Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:58:06 -0500 From: MAXWELL_HOWARD_H@Lilly.com Subject: Re: Need address To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Linda, I found this listing -- hope this helps: Robert Gudgel Rr 3 Owensville, IN 47665 (812)729-7856 Howard Maxwell PS -- If all else fails, the folks at the post office probably know him. US Post Office 100 S Mill St Owensville, IN 47665-9998 Phone: (812)724-3875 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Need Email address Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:57:58 -0500 I'm sorry- I meant I needed Robert Gudgel's email address. My fault. And thank you Howard for sending me his physical address. Linda From: "nancy miller" Subject: Gudgel Family Connections Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:48:49 -0800 Received the newsletter today - Good job!! Can someone tell me who the Jacob Gudgel was that married Elizabeth Arbuckle? Was this the one that was first married to Driscilla Driskill? Has a definite date been set for the reunion in Gibson County? I'm interested if it is the last weekend of September. However I already have something else on the 21st, 22nd of Sept. so know that I couldn't make it then. Thanks to all of you for the fine newsletter. Nancy Teel Miller From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "nancy miller" , Subject: Re: Gudgel Family Connections Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:33:57 -0800 Nancy, This Jacob is the son of Jacob and Drucilla (Driskill) Gudgel. He was born about 1792. Vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Jacob GUDGELL and Elizabeth ARBUCKLE Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 00:36:30 -0500 This Jacob GUDGELL who married Elizabeth ARBUCKLE was the son of Jacob GUDGEL and Druscilla DRISKELL. Jacob and Druscilla were my 4th great grandparents. I have never found when they died or where they were buried. Druscilla was a member of the Salt River Baptist Church in Anderson Co. and I have heard she was buried in the church yard there but there is no stone to document that, nor is there a cemetery record to verify it. Druscilla died first. After Druscilla's death Jacob sold off his land to his sons and then sort of disappeared. I searched the paths of each of the children hoping to find that he had gone to live with one of them but haven't had any luck. The one good thing that came out of looking for Jacob was that I found his son, Joel, in Henderson Co., KY and a daughter, Narcissa, in Livingston Co., MO. I probably have more haunting questions about this family than any others. Isn't that the way it goes? . Jacob and Druscilla had the following children: (1) Jacob - b. 1791 Franklin Co., KY, d. (when/where?). Married Elizabeth ARBUCKLE, daughter of Samuel ARBUCKLE and Barsheba PAYTON December 20, 1813 in Franklin Co., KY. One known child: John T. GUDGELL b. 1819 Anderson Co., KY d. 1865 Mooresville Twp., Livingston Co., MO. John T. married Lovey GREGORY (b. 1819 NC, d. 1847 Livingston Co., MO) 1837 Carroll Co., MO. Lovey was the dau. of Spencer Hall GREGORY and Julia Ann GREEN. The GREGORY's were from NC. (2) Andrew - b. 1793 Franklin Co., KY, d. after 1813, where? Married Elizabeth MOUNTJOY in 1817 Franklin Co., KY. Elizabeth was the dau. of Edward MOUNTJOY and Agnes HOLTZCLAW. Had 6 children. MOUNTJOY's were from Anderson Co., KY. Believe this family stayed in Anderson Co., KY. (3) John Franklin- b. 1795 Franklin Co., KY. d. 1866 Livingston Co., MO. Married Cynthia Ann BROWN 1818 Franklin Co., KY. Had 12 children. Where are John and Cynthia buried? Probably in MO somewhere. (4) Elijah-b. 1796 Franklin Co., KY, d. 1866 Anderson Co., KY. Buried in GUDGEL Cemetery, Anderson Co., KY. Married Lydia Ann "Millie" Bell 1819 Mercer Co., KY. These were my 3rd Great Grandparents. Lydia buried in same cemetery. Had 10 children. Lydia was the daughter of William BELL and Rhoda ATKINS of Orange Co., VA. This family stayed in Anderson Co., KY. (5) Joel -b. 1800 (probably Franklin Co., KY)., d. when/where?. Married 1829 Anderson Co., KY to Eleanor BUTTS. 1 son James b. abt. 1833. Joel marr. (2) Elizabeth BROWN 1837 Henderson Co., KY. 1 known son, Daniel, b. 1836 Henderson Co., KY. I have been to Henderson Co., KY and met with descendants of Joel's family. I was able to obtain some old family photos but just can't get far back enough to know more about Joel. (6) Narcissa/Narvissa- b. abt. 1811 (probably Franklin Co., KY), d. before August, 1870 Married 1842 in Livingston Co., MO to Roberson BRYAN from White Co., TN. For years I thought I had identified all of Jacob and Druscilla's children until I found this daughter in MO. Further research showed she was b. in KY and probably went to MO with her brother John Franklin GUDGEL. So you see a lot of this family went to Missouri. Which brings me to another story I will tell you about a recent meeting I had with an attorney from Louisville, KY who has one of the hand crafted walking sticks carved by Henry GUDGELL, a slave who was born in KY and sold to John GUDGELL in Missouri. Henry was brought to Missouri I believe by John's father-in-law, Spencer GREGORY. I have a copy of the Bill Of Sale for Henry. It seems that Henry carved 2 of these walking sticks. One is in a museum in Texas and owned by Yale University. The other one was purchased by this attorney who told the story that Henry GUDGELL was very fond of a Mr. BRYAN (probaby a son of Narcissa GUDGELL and Roberson BRYAN) and he carved this walking stick for him as a gift after he had suffered injuries of some sort and he used the walking stick to help him around. I asked this attorney how he came to have the walking stick. It had apparently been handed down through the BRYAN family many times and while in the possession of an elderly lady who was down on her luck, she sold it at an auction. This is where he acquired it. I first heard about the walking stick when the one owned by Yale University was on a traveling exhibit at Morehead State University in KY. An exhibit of African-American Folk Art. So now you know my story. I have pictures of me holding this very valuable walking stick and I was thrilled to actually hold it in my hands. It's very detailed and the craftsmanship is wonderful. Sorry if I have bored you with this but I thought it was pretty neat. I took lots of pictures that I want to submit to the newsletter at a later date. All of this is another internet success story- this attorney found me through the internet while trying to find out more about the name of Henry GUDGELL. If anyone has more information on any of this line of GUDGELL's, I'd love to know about it. Linda from Kentucky From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Frederick Godtshalk's grandchildren Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:53:13 -0700 Hello Cousins, Does anyone out there have the names of any of Frederick GODSHALK's grandchildren. They would be the children of Henry MYERS and Elizabeth, the children of John CROUT/KROUT and Mary, or the children of Christian ALLEBACH and Ann. I have been researching the Henry MYERS family for the past couple of weeks. I have the opinion that Henry's father is the immigrant, Hans MEYER. Two brothers. Hans MEYERS and Christian MEYERS. and John FRETZ came to America in 1708. Hans had a son, Henry, who was 1 year old when they immigrated. The family continued to name their sons "Henry" in following generations. John FRETZ, Immigrant, married Hans MEYER's daughter, Barbara. The FRETZ family continued intermarrying with the MEYER family. The FRETZ and the HANS MYER families, also, intermarried with the CROUT/KROUT family. The family of brother, Christian, did not use the name "Henry" in their generations, so I believe that Hans is our ancestor. I have the third, fourth, and fifth generations traced pretty well, but I can't find that second generation to tie them together. HELP! Vivian Gudgell Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:53:46 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Frederick Godtshalk's grandchildren Can't help you here Vivian, but just want everyone to know that I always look for the name Trout along with Krout when I search that name. I've seen it that way sometimes. I mean to write up what I found, or rather didn't find on my Salt Lake City trip--later. Dianne G-H Anchorage Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Hello Cousins, > Does anyone out there have the names of any of Frederick GODSHALK's > grandchildren. They would be the children of Henry MYERS and From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More ALLEBACH info. Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:08:27 -0400 >From the RUTH Genealogy by Warren Kriebel: Christian ALLEBACH, Jr., son of Christian ALLEBACH, was b. in Germany. Married Ann, a daughtr of Frederick GODSHALL and wife, Ann Mary. 2 children are known by name of which one was son, Abrahm m. Catharine, daughter of immigrant John ROSENBERGER. He died of yellow fever in 1794, She born 1750, d. in 1835. A dau. Susanna, m. David RUTH. A son of the above Abraham was Christian (1781-1847) who married Susanna SHADDINGER (1782-1851). Their son, Rev. John S. ALLEBACH (1805-1902) m. Elizabeth BERGEY, (1804-1887), buried Rockhill Mennonite Cemetery. Rev. ALLEBACH was a minister of the Mennonite Church, serving for about 50 years. ********************************************************************** Also from Mr. Glenn Landis- The Oberholtzer Book-A Foundation Book of Oberholtzer Immigrants and Unestablished Lines. Barbarba B. Ford, Compiler and Editor. Published by the Overholser Family Association. Pg. 51- Jacon OBERHOLTZER 1767-1836 Chester Co, bur. Vincent Mennonite, Chester Co. marr. Catharine ALLEBACH c1763-1842 Montgomery Co, bur Skippack Mennonite. Ref. Chester Co. Adm. Bk 4/323, 1836; Montgy Co OC Bk 8/415, 1842; Hollenbach: Allebach Family; Deaths in Skippack #424. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Grandchildren of Frederick Godtschalk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:10:39 -0400 Vivian- Thanks for giving some info. on the Meyer/Myer line. I have never found anything on this line since there were so many Henry Meyer's in that area about the same time. The only line I have been able to find a little on was the line of ALLEBACH. The Christian ALLEBACH we are looking for was also named for his father, Christian ALLEBACH. Some time ago I corresponded with Glenn Landis of Lititz, PA and I am submitting some info. I got from him: This is from an unpublished source by Hollenbach: ALLEBACH FAMILY While the family name ALLEBACH is common in Montgomery county, it is nevertheless not common in the usual sense in that among the more than 30,000 immigrants listed in "Pennsylvania German Pioneeers" that came to Pennsylvania from 1727 until the time of the Revolution there is not one ALLEBACH. It appears that the family are all descendants of Christian ALLEBACH who came to Pennsylvania some time before 1727. The first the name of Christian ALLEBACH appears in any official records is on a petition dated May 20, 1728, sent from the residents of the Skippack area to Governor Patrick Gordon of Pennsylvania, asking for protection against possible attacks by the Indians. This record is found in volume 1, series 1, Pennsylvania Archives, pg. 214. A photographic copy of the petition is also found in Volume XX of the publications of the Pennsylvania German Society. (This latter volume is in error in stating that the date of the petition is 1720). Patrick Gordon did not become Governor of Pennsylvania until July, 1728). Heckler, in his history of Lower Salford states that Christian ALLEBACH bought 46 acres of land from Hans Reiff in 1730, and he bought another tract of land September 14, 1737. However, he was already on the Salford tax list in 1734, as owning 150 acres. Whatever time he came to Pennsylvania it appears that he was already well established in about 1730. He was probably still single when he came here and married Maria FRIEDT, a daughter of Paul FREIDT and his wife Elisabeth STAUFFER. Maria was a girl 8 years old when she came to Pennsylvania with her parents and grandparents. They left their home at Weissenau, Germany on November 8, 1709 and traveled by way of Holland and England, arriving in Pennsylvania in 1710. A record of this is found in the STAUFFER papeers as printed in No. 38, Perkomen Region. Maria was first married to Jacob GRETER, and by this marriage had 3 children- Jacob, Martin and Barbara GRETER. Christian ALLEBACH was among the early members of the Salford Mennonite congregation and his name appears on an indenture dated January 25, 1728. He was one of the executors of the estate of Christian STAUFFER in 1735, indicating that he had already married Maria before that date. Christian ALLEBACH was naturalized in the Supremem Court of Pennsylvania which met in Philadelphia on April 11 to 13, 1743 (see Volume II, Series 2, Penna. Archives). He was naturalized by affirmation, as was the custom followed in the case of Mennonites and Quakers who were opposed to taking an oath. Naturalized at the same time weere some of his Mennonite neighbors- Valentine KRATZ, Daniel STAUFFER, Peter and Ulrich BEIDLER, etc. This refustes the statement made by some that Christian ALLEBACH was a Huguenot- he was a Mennonite in the very beginning in his stay in Pennsylvania. Christian ALLEBACH made a will dated August 6th, 1746 and it was probated at Philadelphia on September 10, 1746. The executors sold his real estate on October 22, 1746. In the will he named nine children "besides one yet to be born". The names of these children were as follows: Esther, Elisabeth, Christian, David, Peter (d. 1783), John, Veronica, Maria (Mary), and Abraham (b. 1746, d. 1794). (Note from Linda- now this is our Christian ALLEBACH): Christian ALLEBACH, b____. d.____, married _____ GODSHALL, a daughter of Frederick GODSHALL of Franconia township. In 1774 he was on the lower Salford tax list, owning no land. This is the only printed tax list in what is now Montgomery County, on which his name appeared. In 1779 and 1780 his name appeared on the Tredyffrin township tax list in Chester County as a "freeman" with no land, and in 1781 he was on the Charlestown township tax list in the same county, listed as a "weaver". It will be remembered that the Diamond Rock Mennonite church was in Tredyffrin and that there was also an early Mennonite church in Charlestown. Christian ALLEBACH in these three places was undoubtedly the same person, but the whole history of this family is a mystery. On November 28, 1762, Reverend Henry Melchior Muhlenberg, the Lutheran pastor at Trappe, wrote in his journal "I fetched an eleven months old daughter of Christian ALLEBACH who had died of pupura". This raises the question- why did Christian ALLEBACH, a Mennonite, call upon a Lutheran pastor for this service? In the U.S. Census of 1790 there was only one ALLEBACH in this Chester County area- "Molly" ALLEBACH, living alone may have been the widow of Christian. According to Henry ALDERFER, Christian ALLEBACH had at least 2 children: (1) Abraham ALLEBACH- no information, however, there was an Abraham ALLEBACH who was married to Margaret Johnson on Dec. 18, 1787, by Squire Michael CROLL). (2) Catharine ALLEBACH, b. 1764, d. December 20, 1842 +Lower Skippack, married Jacob OBERHOLTZER (b. Sept. 5, 1767, d. October 16, 1836 +Vincent Mennonite. They had 10 children-Catharine, John, David, Lena, Michael, Hannah, Anna, Joseph and Mary OBERHOLTZER.. *********************************************************************** From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: More ALLEBACH info. Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:18:47 -0700 Thanks for the answer, Linda, Don't forget Christian and Ann (Godshalk) ALLEBACH's son , David b.25 Jan. 1755, Baptized Apr. 13, 1755. According to The Parish Register of Indianfield Lutheran Church, Franconia Township Montgomery Co. PA. as reported on the Pancake web site. I was hoping that the Henry s/o Hans MEYER/MYER, Imm. had married our Elizabeth GODSHALK when I submitted that post about Hans MEYER. However, since then, I have found that he married a lady named Barbara MILLER. This information is from the WorldConnect program. Of course, Henry MYER could have been married more than once. I am an optimist! Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: More ALLEBACH info. : From the RUTH Genealogy by Warren Kriebel: : : Christian ALLEBACH, Jr., son of Christian ALLEBACH, was b. in Germany. : Married Ann, a daughtr of Frederick GODSHALL and wife, Ann Mary. 2 children : are known by name of which one was son, Abrahm m. Catharine, daughter of : immigrant John ROSENBERGER. : He died of yellow fever in 1794, She born 1750, d. in 1835. : : A dau. Susanna, m. David RUTH. : : A son of the above Abraham was Christian (1781-1847) who married Susanna : SHADDINGER (1782-1851). : : Their son, Rev. John S. ALLEBACH (1805-1902) m. Elizabeth BERGEY, : (1804-1887), : buried Rockhill Mennonite Cemetery. Rev. ALLEBACH was a minister of the : Mennonite Church, serving for about 50 years. : ******************************************************************** ** : : Also from Mr. Glenn Landis- : The Oberholtzer Book-A Foundation Book of Oberholtzer Immigrants and : Unestablished Lines. Barbarba B. Ford, Compiler and Editor. Published by : the Overholser Family Association. : : Pg. 51- : Jacon OBERHOLTZER 1767-1836 Chester Co, bur. Vincent Mennonite, Chester Co. : marr. Catharine ALLEBACH c1763-1842 Montgomery Co, bur Skippack Mennonite. : Ref. Chester Co. Adm. Bk 4/323, 1836; Montgy Co OC Bk 8/415, 1842; : Hollenbach: Allebach Family; Deaths in Skippack #424. : : : Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:40:48 -0400 From: Juanita Diorio To: Gudgel Subject: Mac Compatible Program Hello Cousins, Does anyone out there use a Mac computer for genealogy? What program would you recommend? Our grandson has begun to be interested in genealogy and wants a program to use on his Mac. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Juanita Gudgel Diorio Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:03:09 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Grandchildren of Frederick Godtschalk Thanks for all of you who are helping draw out these tidbits. Very interesting. I looked at both Mennonite and Quaker materials while in Salt Lake. I didn't find many Godshall-type spellings in the Mennonite records and so was assuming Gudgel was a Quaker, but now that we are finding out that Frederick Gudgel's son-in-law was a Mennonite, I am not sure about Fred nor what it all means. Does anyone know about the 'rules' in those days between the two sects and marriage between either? Linda, Vivian, when it was stated that Christian Allebach took the oath of allegiance (by affirmation) in 1743 in PA but is that the SR or Jr Mr Allebach? Since the Sr died 3 yrs later I suspect it was Jr. I know that PA required the men to take the oath as soon as possible upon reaching a certain age and I must try to find out what that age is from some papers I think I got in Salt Lake. Also I am note when the oath was first required. Does anyone know when that PA oath first came into law? Dianne Gudge-lHolmes Anchorage (where there is still lots of good snow for cross country skiing right near the house and with super bright sunny days, and over 12 hrs of daylight--until after 9 pm; but my hanging baskets of flowers are under lights in the basement ready to appear outside in late May. At least I'm getting lots of exercise during this 'break up' season) Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Vivian- > Thanks for giving some info. on the Meyer/Myer line. I have never found <<>> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Children of Joseph GUDGELL, Sr. & Louisa GROVES-Bath Co., KY Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:14:28 -0400 Hi Folks- I need some help with the children of Joseph GUDGELL, Sr. and Louisa GROVES of Bath Co., KY. Joseph was the son of Andrew, Sr. and grandson of old Andrew, Sr.. I have some info. on each of them but wondered if any of you could fill in some blanks. 7 children: Mary-b. 1834 Bath Co., KY. Where is she buried? Date of death? Did she marry, etc.? Elizabeth- b. September 9, 1835 Bath Co., KY, d. September 12, 1855, age 20, Bath Co., KY. Buried in Old Springfield Church Cemetery, Bath Co., KY. Was she married? John Andrew- b. May 11, 1840 Bath Co., KY.; d. May 16, 1863 Bath Co., KY, age23. Buried Old Springfield Church Cem., Bath Co., KY. Was he married? Ephriam Oliver- b. abt. 1842 Bath Co., KY. Any other info.? Charles- b. Feb. 10, 1847 Bath Co., KY, d. Sept. 30, 1916 Pasadena, CA. Marr. Bell Laura Whaley Nov. 8, 1870 Bath Co., KY. Buried Mt. Washington Cem., Jackson Co., MO. 3 children: Lula Belle, Frank O. & Charles D. James Robinson- b. September 26, 1849 Bath Co., KY; d. June 2, 1897 Independence, Jackson Co., MO. Marr. June, 1887 (where?) to Lettie Lee Rochester of Danville, KY. Joseph Simpson- b. May 10, 1858 Bath Co., Ky, d. August 1, 1858 Bath Co., KY. Buried where? Thanks, Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Children of Joseph GUDGELL, Sr. & Louisa GROVES-Bath Co., KY Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:09:09 -0700 Linda, I don't have any more to add except to point out that Charles and James are the famous cattle ranch brothers of MO. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:14 PM Subject: Children of Joseph GUDGELL, Sr. & Louisa GROVES-Bath Co., KY : Hi Folks- : : I need some help with the children of Joseph GUDGELL, Sr. and Louisa GROVES <<>> From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: Crout and Crouthamel Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:03:50 -0700 Hello, Does anyone know if there is a connection between the names CROUT/KROUT and CROUTHAMEL/KROUTHAMEL? I have found both names in the early PA. history and last night, I found two sisters, one married a KROUT and the other a KROUTHAMEL. Does anyone know what the ending 'hamel' means? Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Sabina Pancake Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:39:06 -0700 Lowell Pancake, I found this marriage entry in the 'Register of Marriages and Baptisms kept by Rev. Traugott Frederick Illing: in connection with the churches of St. Peter's (Lutheran); Middletown, and Caernarvon (Episcopal). Lancaster County, Penn'a, Harrisburg Pa. Harrisburg Publishing Co. 1891 43 pages. Page 12 1780 April 11 Christoph Bormaan (Poorman) and Sabina Pfankucher (Pancake) both of Paxtang township, Lancaster, county; married at Zebbernick's house. Received L2 5s 0d or 6 silver dollars.' --------------------------------------- Page 42 Also, this notation: PETER PHANKUCKEN Peter Phankucken or Pancake, as now written, was assessed for 140 acres of land in Paxtang Township as early as the year 1770 and was the ancestor of those residing in this county at the present. ----------------------------------------- What relation is Peter to Yost ? Vivian Gudgell Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:51:36 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Sabina Pancake Thanks for digging those things out but I don't know if anyone knows the relationship. Have you sent this to Lowell Pancake who at one time was on our list? I can give you his address if you don't have it. Dianne G-H Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Lowell Pancake, > I found this marriage entry in the > 'Register of Marriages and Baptisms kept by Rev. Traugott Frederick > Illing: in connection with the churches of St. Peter's (Lutheran); > Middletown, and Caernarvon (Episcopal). Lancaster County, Penn'a, > Harrisburg Pa. Harrisburg Publishing Co. 1891 43 pages. > > Page 12 > 1780 April 11 Christoph Bormaan (Poorman) and Sabina Pfankucher > (Pancake) both of Paxtang township, Lancaster, county; married at > Zebbernick's house. Received L2 5s 0d or 6 silver dollars.' > > --------------------------------------- > Page 42 > Also, this notation: > PETER PHANKUCKEN > Peter Phankucken or Pancake, as now written, was assessed for 140 > acres of land in Paxtang Township as early as the year 1770 and was > the ancestor of those residing in this county at the present. > ----------------------------------------- > What relation is Peter to Yost ? > Vivian Gudgell Ardath Potts From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:19:49 -0500 (CDT) To: lfinnell@infi.net (Linda Gudgel Finnell) Subject: Re: Children of Joseph GUDGELL, Sr. & Louisa GROVES-Bath Co., KY Mary - This may be Mary. Bath Co. Ky Marriages - abstracted by Sandra Howell, Kentucky Pioneer Vol. 4 No. 1 Jan., 1982 4 Oct. 1852 John Cunningham 22 Mary Gudgel 19 There was a Mary Gudgel, age 16, listed with Joseph Sr. and others in the 1850 census - Bath Co. KY Ardath Potts Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:54:57 -0500 From: MAXWELL_HOWARD_H@Lilly.com Subject: Re: Mac Compatible Program To: jdiorio@voyager.net Juanita, I use Reunion on the Macintosh and have been very, very pleased. I had a corrupted file once, sent them a GEDCOM, and they returned a repaired file in less than 24 hours -- all via email. Yes, I had backup files, but the corruption had been there for almost a full year. It was easy, letting them fix it. It might be a little expensive for a beginner, but I don't think you'll find a better package for the Mac. Regards, Howard Maxwell http://www.leisterpro.com/ Juanita Diorio 04/10/2002 10:40 AM Please respond to jdiorio To: Gudgel cc: Subject: Mac Compatible Program Hello Cousins, Does anyone out there use a Mac computer for genealogy? What program would you recommend? Our grandson has begun to be interested in genealogy and wants a program to use on his Mac. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Juanita Gudgel Diorio From: "Lowell Pankake" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Sabina Pancake Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:36:05 -0500 Vivian and all, I don't know of any connection between Yost Pannekuch and this Peter Pancake. Joan McClaskey, JMcClas4@aol.com , wrote to me in 1999 and said "Peter Pfannekuchen, Born 1725, arrived in Phila. aboard the Phoenix in 1752. Married Catherine Deitz (or Feits)." Yost was in PA as early as 1727, when he and his cousin Yost Schenler bought 130 acres of land in Franconia Township. Lowell Pankake ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Gudgel-list" Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Sabina Pancake > Lowell Pancake, > I found this marriage entry in the > 'Register of Marriages and Baptisms kept by Rev. Traugott Frederick > Illing: in connection with the churches of St. Peter's (Lutheran); > Middletown, and Caernarvon (Episcopal). Lancaster County, Penn'a, > Harrisburg Pa. Harrisburg Publishing Co. 1891 43 pages. > > Page 12 > 1780 April 11 Christoph Bormaan (Poorman) and Sabina Pfankucher > (Pancake) both of Paxtang township, Lancaster, county; married at > Zebbernick's house. Received L2 5s 0d or 6 silver dollars.' > > --------------------------------------- > Page 42 > Also, this notation: > PETER PHANKUCKEN > Peter Phankucken or Pancake, as now written, was assessed for 140 > acres of land in Paxtang Township as early as the year 1770 and was > the ancestor of those residing in this county at the present. > ----------------------------------------- > What relation is Peter to Yost ? > Vivian Gudgell > > From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Orren and Mary Alice Gudgell Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:52:15 -0700 Hello, I just wanted to let you, who are interested, know that Anita Bracken did get the Gudgell/Marsh album on the e-bay auction. I got this information from her today. (Orren is s/o Milton s/o Mahlon s/o Daniel Gudgell s/o ?Andrew) Vivian Anita wrote: Hi Vivian , Orren Gudgell died March 12 1907 Meadow Grove Wisconsin. He married Mary Alice Marsh Pettys Nov. 1895. She was born green valley New York Feb. 20 1862 death Sholes Nebraska. Anita ------------------------- From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Family Bibles Website Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:23:52 -0400 Hi Folks- Wanted to share this website with you guys. If you have family lines that you're searching you might look for old family Bibles here. And you can click on the surnames and view the contents. Think I'll keep this for future reference. This could be the beginning of someone finding a long lost Bible just as Vivian did recently. Vivian-Keep us posted! Linda from Kentucky- beautiful weather! Spring is "bustin' out all over". Subject: [Family_Bibles] Long Shot? Perhaps. > Just a reminder -- I run a Bible Records website (free) that > contains 400 Bibles at last count, and nearly 1600 surnames. > Most have scanned images of the information. > http://www.biblerecords.com > > And yes, people do find their individual Bibles this way. I have > a "hit" rate of about 20-25%, and my own ancestors' Bible was > reunified to me in this way. This way, meaning, through mailing > lists and free internet sources. > > Please contact me if you have Bibles you would like to place at my site! > > Tracy > > PS -- Three McDonald Bibles; 2 Gill Bibles > > > ==== Family_Bibles Mailing List ==== > Visit USGENWEB for links and archives for all states. http://www.usgenweb.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Michael A. GUDGEL obit- 4/14/02 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 07:51:34 -0400 I found this on the website for the Idaho Statesman newspaper. Can someone tell me who/where this person fits into our tree? Linda 4/14/2002 Michael A. Gudgel Michael A. Gudgel, 53, of Nampa, passed away Friday, April 12, 2002, in a Boise hospital of multiple myeloma. Funeral service will be held at 11 a.m. Tuesday, April 16, at Alsip & Persons Funeral Chapel, 404 10th Ave. S., Nampa. Michael was born Aug. 18, 1948, in Ainsworth, Neb., to Sherman and Marjorie Hardgrave Gudgel. They moved to Nampa, Idaho, in 1949 where Michael was raised, graduating from Nampa High School in 1966. He was a veteran of the U.S. Army and served in Vietnam in 1967 and 1968. He married Daylene Dillabaugh in 1967, and to this marriage two children were born, Brad and Michelle. Daylene later passed away. On June 6, 1995, Michael married Dorothy Wilford. Michael's hobbies included hunting, fishing, water sports, skiing and traveling. He was a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. He was employed by Union Pacific Railroad for 27 years where he worked as a trainman. He was preceded in death by his first wife, Daylene; his parents, Sherman and Marjorie Gudgel; and a sister, Alice Heiss. Michael is survived by his wife, Dorothy of Nampa; children, Bradley M. Gudgel and wife, Tracy, Michelle S. Newbern and husband, David, Shirley D. White, Kristen K. Wright and husband, Randall, Laurie A. Neubauer, Julie D. Neubauer, and Michael J. Neubauer and wife, Heather; his grandchildren, Taggart, Shelby, Bracken, Grayson, Tyler, Kayla, Elizabeth, Hannah, Emily, Austin, Brynn, Beau, Brian, Brandon and Briana. He is also survived by his brothers, Edward Gudgel and wife, Diane of Nampa, Steve Gudgel and wife, Hazel of Pocatello; his sisters, Arbell Thompson of Landsdowne, Va., and Ardeth Grant and husband, Earl. Friends may call Monday from 5 to 8 p.m. at Alsip & Persons Funeral Chapel. The family requests donations to the International Multiple Myeloma Foundation, 12650 Riverside Drive, Suite 206, North Hollywood, Calif. 91607-3421. From: Gudgeld@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:43:11 EDT Subject: Re: Michael A. GUDGEL obit- 4/14/02 To: lfinnell@infi.net, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Linda Finnell Wrote Linda; Mike was my first cousin. He was the son of Sherman, son of Amos, son of Phillip, son of Sarah JOHNSON GUDGEL (spouse of Henry T. GUDGEL). Sherman was my fathers brother. Sherman died a couple of years ago. Mike's mother was Margie HARTGRAVE GUDGEL who died about four years ago. I believe you posted her obit two or three years ago. All three died in Nampa, Idaho. I am out of town right now, but if you want more information , let me know and I will put it together and send it when I get home. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ From: connie.phillips@mindspring.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:05:40 -0400 Subject: update info Dear Cousins< We have retired, moved and are now settled in Fla. Our new email is: pandcphillips@earthlink.net. (Especially Vivian because I do not want to miss any emails from Pat and Dennis.) New Address: Phil and Connie Phillips 29200 Jones Loop Road #266 *(Bill)* Punta Gorda, FL. 33950 I know there are Gudgel's in the area and I am anxious to meet them all. We are going away for a couple of weeks now, but when I return I will try to contact them. Bob,who do you have listed in this area or anywhere in Florida ? I know the Ed Gudgels are in Ft. Myers ( Jr and Sr). Do you know of others? Thanks to All Connie G. Phillips Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:09:50 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: connie.phillips@mindspring.com Subject: Re: update info Glad to know you are in Florida. Do you have many spare bedrooms? I might want to meet you in person--say next January when it is minus 30 here in Alaska? Just kidding--but not by much. Just thought you'd like to know that I saw at least 3 Gudgel's in the Denver phone book when I was there but didn't have time to call them. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes connie.phillips@mindspring.com wrote: > Dear Cousins< > > We have retired, moved and are now settled in Fla. Our new email is: > pandcphillips@earthlink.net. (Especially Vivian because I do not want to miss any emails from Pat and Dennis.) > > New Address: > Phil and Connie Phillips > 29200 Jones Loop Road #266 *(Bill)* > Punta Gorda, FL. 33950 > > I know there are Gudgel's in the area and I am anxious to meet them all. We are going away for a couple of weeks now, but when I return I will try to contact them. > Bob,who do you have listed in this area or anywhere in Florida ? I know the Ed Gudgels are in Ft. Myers ( Jr and Sr). Do you know of others? > > Thanks to All > Connie G. Phillips From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gudgel's in Florida Connie, if you go to the www.gudgel.org site and click on the Gudgels in the phone book and do a find for fl, you'll find a bunch. Not sure exactly how up to date it is but I grabbed this not long ago. boB From: "Vivian Gudgell" Cc: Subject: Re: Abraham and Anne Elizabeth Birch Gudgel Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:47:21 -0700 Hi cousins, Awhile ago, Pat Agnew asked about the parents of Anne Elizabeth BIRCH b. abt 1820, the wife of Abraham Gudgell b. 1814 s/o Abram b. 1786 s/o Andrew Sr.s/o Frederick. I think there is a good chance that Elizabeth's parents are Selby and Sarah BIRCH. Here is why I think so. 1. Henry STUCKER b. 1766 and Lydia Ann GUDGELL, d/o Daniel had a son, John STUCKER, who died before Henry's estate was divided. John's children inherited his portion. One of John's heirs was his daughter, Mary, and son-in-law George BIRCH. ( From transcription of the deeds issued by the heirs when they transferred the property) 2. (Posting by Carol Brannon on Genforum. genealogy Nov. 13, 2000) "In Jefferson Co. IN. 1850 census: Selby BIRCH, age 65, Sarah, age 55 and Hammith, age 23 live next to George BIRCH, age 28, Mary, age 23, Delia A., age 3 and Stephen G., age 20. Then comes Joshua DAVIS b. MD., age 45, Nancy, age 45, and family. Next is William BIRCH, age 22, Sarah C. age 19. Can anyone tell me if Joshua Davis married into the BIRCH family? signed: Carol in Iowa." 3. On the 1840 Saluda Twp. Jefferson Co. IN., I found these people: Abraham GUDGLE I male age between 20 -30 ( our Abraham b. 1814) 1 female under 5 This could be dau. Sarah b. abt 1841 1 female between 20 - 30 This could be Anne Elizabeth Birch, his wife b. abt 1820. Selby BIRCH 1 male between 50 -60 Selby age 55 1 male between 5 -10, could be Stephen age 10 1 male between 10 -15 could be William age 12 1 male between 15 -20 could be George age 18 ( could be John Stucker's son-in-law) 1 male between 20 -30 ? could be a son already left home. 1 female between 10 -15 could be Hammith age 13 1 female between 40 and 50 could be Sarah, Selby's wife age 45 If Abraham's wife Elizabeth BIRCH is part of this family, she would have been about 20 years old, married, and already out of the home 3. On this same 1840 census page are two STUCKER families, Andrew STUCKER age between 40 -50, and Jacob STUCKER age between 70-80. (Jacob STUCKER is 81 and his wife Sarah GUDGEL is 79 on the 1850 census.) 4. Jacob and Sarah Gudgel STUCKER, had a son Andrew b. 1795, He fits the Andrew mentioned above. Jacob and Sarah had a daughter , Mary, who married Jacob FIX. Jacob FIX and family are on this 1840 census page also. 5. Jacob and Sarah Gudgel STUCKER had a son George who married a Sophia DAVIS. Refer back to No. 2 and the question of Carol BRENNON. I don't know if her DAVIS is the same family as Sophia or not. Could be. OK No proof that Abraham's wife's parents are Selby and Sarah BIRCH, but a whole lot of circumstantial evidence. don't you think so? Does anyone have anything to add? Vivian From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:40:02 EDT Subject: Question for Bill from Agnew Bill I am spending day reviewing and noticed on some of the stuff you sent me under "Other Gudgel related WWW Sites" said "Do you know where William Gudgel is?" Is that a real question and if so, is there any dates or abt. dates or anything because there are a lot of William Gudgel. The first one I know is Abraham and Betsy's son but several after that and in all the lines we are looking for. My information does not cover the later ones unless on some list that I have and this is why I have to review often. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: New Computer Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:45:21 -0400 Hi Folks- I'll be off line a while this weekend as I am installing a new computer. I have a young man coming over (hopefully this weekend) to transfer everything from my old system to my new one. (Just didn't want you to think I was smart enough to do it myself!). I'll also try and contact some of the Indiana relatives about our trip to the Gibson Co. this fall. Thanks to everyone who has shown an interest. This is going to something special I think. Will keep you posted. Linda from Kentucky From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: Re: Abraham's children Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:53:23 -0700 Hi , Pat Agnew asked for names of children of Abraham b. 1814 s/o Abram s/o Andrew Sr. s/o Frederick. I have some empty dates and questions. Maybe you can help. Abraham Gudgell b. 10 Jun 1814 ( 46 on 1860 Richland Co. Illinois Census)d. 20 Nov. 1880 Ill. married 17 Aug 1838, Anne Elizabeth Burch/Birch b. abt. 1820 (40 on 1860 Jefferson Co. census) d. 21 Apr. 1897 probably Lawrence Co. Illinois. Question: why would Abraham be on the 1860 Illinois census and Anne Elizabeth be on the 1860 Jefferson Co. Indiana census? Children: 1.Sarah b. abt 1841 d. 1 Nov. 1903 Married 2 Aug 1860 #1 Wesley Seabright, married #2 Marion Turpin 1896 2. Esther Ann "Hester" b. 9-7-1843 (Sept. or July? ) Indiana d. ? Married # 1 John Sager #2 John Waingert (When?) 3. John S. b. May 1846 Ind. d. 5 Oct 1913 (Obit - Clay & Richland Co.Illinois Married Melinda Harolle 25 Feb. 1868 Richland Co. Illinois 4. William S. b. 1 Dec. 1849 d. 4 July 1925. Married #1 Elizabeth Bird. Married #2 Melissa C. Recter 5. James F. b. 1852 or 1849? d. after 1813 buried Leach Cem. Claremont Twp. Co.? Married Melissa Ferren 22 Feb. 1877 Richland Co. Illinois 6. Mary E. b. 1854 d. ? Married William Bird 6 July 1873 Richland Co. Illinois 7. Martha E. b. 1858 Indiana d. ? Married Isaac F. Jones Feb 1877 Richland Co. Illinois 8. Permelia C. b. ? d, ? Married John Richell 23 Dec. 1856 Jefferson Co. Indiana ( Is this really one of Abraham's children? The dates don't look right to me) This information came from several sources. Mia Fleegel Pat Agnew Ardath Potts William E. Gudgel 1860 Jefferson Co.census Please fill in the empty spots and questions. Vivian From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:24:01 -0500 (CDT) To: V.Gudgell@verizon.net (Vivian Gudgell), gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Abraham's children Vivian, I'll try to answer a few questions. According to the 1883 History of Edwards, Lawrence and Wabash Co - Illinois, the family settled there in 1859. When the census taker came, Anne was probably still in Indiana and Abraham was in Illinois scouting the area. That was a fairly common way to make a move. Also Abraham is listed as a tax payer farmer with PO Saluda in the 1859 "A Directory of Jeff. Co., Indiana " by Webb. So their presence was definitely there yet in 1859. ---------------------- According to Lucille Elizabeth Gudgel, a descendant of John S.. he died 2 Oct. 1913 in Olney, Richland Co., Ill. at age 67. He married twice - first Melinda, daughter of Peter R. Harrolle and Mariah Ribet on ***28 Feb. 1868 in Richland Co. Ill. Melinda wa born in Richland Co. 30 January 1850 and died 10 August 1908 -age 58. John S. then married Elizabeth Tennison Goss 17 August 1909 in Richland Co. , ILL. ***This is a change from the day Vivian listed- the 25th. ----------------------- Volume 3 No. 1 -Past and Present - Richland Co.Genelogy Society Court Term- Gudgel Abraham Dec., 1880 p. 170 wife. - Anna E.; Children - John S., William S., James F., Permelia C. Reichel (or Ruchell), Sarah Jane Seabright, Ester Ann Waingert, Mary E. Bund, Martha Ellen Jones Executor - wife ; Witnesses - John Richey, Caleb Merritt, John A Rayturn ------------------------- Maybe Lucille Gudgel can help further. Ardath Potts Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:55:26 -0700 Subject: Abraham & Anne Re: Abraham's children From: "Wm. E Gudgel" > Question: why would Abraham be on the 1860 Illinois census and Anne > Elizabeth be on the 1860 Jefferson Co. Indiana census? ANSWER: The Anne you have found on the Indiana Census was married to Abraham C. GUDGEL, her full name was Anna Elizabeth WEED. Abraham C. GUDGEL is the son of William GUDGEL & Lucinda THURMAN, son of Andrew GUDGEL,Sr. and (3rd wife) Elizabeth (Betsy) PAUL PAYNE. The Abraham you found in Illinois is Abraham GUDGEL, Jr., the son of Abraham (Abram) GUDGEL, Sr., the son of Andrew GUDGEL, Sr. Even though Abraham C. GUDGEL (Indiana) and Abraham Gudgel, Jr. (Illinois) were born through different lines in our family, there are difficulties to watch out for when researching these two men. Both men are two generations from Andrew, Sr., both were born in Indiana, and both men married women with the same first and middle name. Perhaps the following will help. Abraham GUDGEL, Jr. son of Abraham (Abram) Gudgel, Sr. & Elizabeth HARBINSON marr. Anna Elizabeth BIRCH/BURCH b. 10 Jan 1814 bp. Jefferson Co., IN d. 29 Nov 1880 dp. Lawrence Co., IL Abraham C. GUDGEL son of William GUDGEL & Lucinda THURMAN marr. Anna Elizabeth WEED b. 1 Apr 1844 bp. Gibson Co., IN d. 29 Jan 1910 dp. Gibson Co., IN Have a great week, Bill Gudgel + + + On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:53:23 -0700 "Vivian Gudgell" writes: > Hi , > Pat Agnew asked for names of children of Abraham b. 1814 s/o Abram > s/o Andrew Sr. s/o Frederick. I have some empty dates and <<>> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:29:54 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Wm. E Gudgel" Subject: Re: good research Good points, Bill, to keep in mind when doing research. This is a good example of how diligent we must be in checking our work and not jumping to conclusions and assumptions. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Abraham & Anne Re: Abraham's children Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:13:57 -0700 Bill, The two Abraham Gudgel's that you pointed out still does not answer my question of why Abraham was on the 1860 Illinois census and his wife Anne Elizabeth was on the Indiana census. I think I may have made a mistake when I copied the information. I just don't know if Abraham s/o Abram was in Illinois or Indiana in 1860. Ardath Potts said Abraham and Anne Elizabeth Birch Gudgel came to Illinois in 1859, so I think I will go with Illinois until proven otherwise. Since your message, I researched the 1860 Montgomery Twp. Gibson Co. Indiana census. I found the William and Lucinda family with Abraham listed as 16 years old, still at home. Also, Jacob age 26, John age 18, Caroline age 14, Harriet age 10, John Witherspoon age 17, farm hand. Nicholas T Gudgel age 23 and wife Nancy J. age 23 had their own household next door. P.O. was Patoka, Indiana. Vivian From: "nancy miller" To: "Vivian Gudgell" , , "Wm. E Gudgel" Subject: Re: Abraham & Anne Re: Abraham's children Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:43:57 -0700 That John Witherspoon, the farm hand, is a grandson of Nancy Gudgel Teel (sister of William, daughter of Andrew Sr.) Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: ; "Wm. E Gudgel" Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Abraham & Anne Re: Abraham's children > Bill, > The two Abraham Gudgel's that you pointed out still does not answer > my question of why Abraham was on the 1860 Illinois census and his <<>> From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: John Witherspoon Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:20:17 -0700 Nancy Miller, Who is the daughter of Nancy Gudgel TEEL who must have married a WITHERSPOON? The only child I have for Nancy TEEL is Nickolas b. 1821 d. 1889. If you have more children will you share? Vivian From: "nancy miller" To: "Vivian Gudgell" , Subject: Re: John Witherspoon Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:45:04 -0700 The following are children of William P. and Nancy Jane GUDGEL TEEL with birth dates taken from a bible page in my possession: Elizabeth TEEL b. 17 June 1817 Gibson Co., IN m. Jackson Deazmon WITHERSPOON 23 Mar 1837 in Gibson Co. She died 1844-1850. They had two sons. Mariah TEEL b. 14 Mar 1819 Gibson Co., IN m. Thomas H. McKEDDY 5 Jan 1842 in Gibson Co. d.20 Jul 1858 and is buried in Providence Cemetery, Gibson Co., IN. They had 2 girls and 2 boys that lived to maturity, a 5th child was born the day she died and lived less than two months. Nicholas TEEL b.21 Jul 1821 Owensville,Gibson Co., IN m.Mary Jane BLYTHE 27 Jan 1847 in Gibson Co., and he d.31 Jul 1889 and is buried at Blythe Chapel, Gibson Co., IN. They had 2 sons and 1 daughter that grew up and one son Samuel that is buried in the Old Gudgel plot, dying at under 2 years of age. Mary Jane "Polly" TEEL b.1 Apr 1823 Gibson Co., IN m.Isaac MONTGOMERY 23 Nov 1841 in Gibson Co. She d. sometime after the 1850 census in Logan Co., IL. They had 4 sons and 1 daughter, but I do not know of any descendents of those 5 children. Harriet Jane TEEL b.2 Mar 1829 in Gibson Co., IN m. John T. BRYANT 20 Jan 1853 in Gibson Co. I think they had 2 sons and 3 daughters before she died sometime before the 1870 census. At that time John BRYANT has a wife Ann. As you may know, William P. TEEL died 12 Jun 1832, so they did not have any more children. Nancy Married a second time (David THOMAS 19 Mar 1849), but he died before 1850 and she remained unmarried until her death in 1878. In 1850 she was living with her daughter Mariah TEEL McKEDDY, in 1860 she was with her daughter Harriet TEEL BRYANT and in 1870 she was with her son Nicholas TEEL. She was over 80 when she died and had outlived each of her four daughters. Hope this helps. Nancy Teel Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Gudgel-list" Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: John Witherspoon > Nancy Miller, > Who is the daughter of Nancy Gudgel TEEL who must have married a > WITHERSPOON? The only child I have for Nancy TEEL is Nickolas b. > 1821 d. 1889. If you have more children will you share? > Vivian > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Abraham GUDGEL & Anne Elizabeth BIRCH Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:16:39 -0400 Hi Folks- Thanks for all the good information about this family. I will check my data after tonight to see if I have anything else to add. My new computer will be installed tonight and the data will be transferred so I should be ready to go before long. My big question with Abraham GUDGEL and Anne Elizabeth BIRCH is whether or not there were other children besides the one son, Abraham. Does anyone know from census or Bible records or any other sources if there were other children? And, Nancy- thanks so much for the TEEL Bible records. If you submitted them before I surely missed them. Will be back on line soon. I've been limping along with this old computer that is so slow and now my old printer has just about gone shot. I'm looking forward to being up and running with the new system. Talk to you soon. Linda From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:36:28 EDT Subject: Abraham Gudgel/Elizabeth Burch Children This is for Vivian or anyone that needs. Per IN 1850 Census - Jefferson Co - Saluda Twp Page Dwelling # Abram age 36 Farmer $250 b.IN 355 620 646 Elizebeth 30 " Permelia (?C) 11 " Sarah J. 9 " Ester A. 7 " John 5 " Wm. S. 1 " Per IL 1860 Census - Lawrence Co - Christy 106 728 707 James 8 b.IN Mary 6 " Martha 2 " Hope this helps. Vivian has marriages on above. Pat Agnew From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: 1850 and 1860 census Abraham Gudgel Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:48:23 -0700 Pat, Did you find the rest of the family, especially Abraham and Elizabeth on the Illinois 1860 Census? If you did, then I made an error copying the information when I entered it into my file. Thanks for getting me straightened out. Vivian From: "Linda Gugel Finnell" Subject: Abraham GUDGEL and E HARBISON Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 17:50:02 -0400 Pat and Vivian- I sent the wrong information- My nig question is if there are other = children besides Abraham (Abram, that married Anne Elizabeth BURCH). = Are there other children pf Abraham GUDGEL and Elizabeth HARBISON? = Sorry that I confused the Abraham's. I have my new computer installed but my friend is coming tonight to = transfer the rest of my folders and old emails, etc. Can someone resend = the information about the details of the families of Abraham and = Elizabrth BURCH GUDGEL? It was sent just a few days ago and I wanted to = check to see if I have any other data to share. I'm going out of town for the weekend tomorrow afternoon but will be = back with you on Sunday p.m. Linda from KY- lots of rain, thunderstorms and tornado weather. This is also = Derby Weekend! Anyone ever been to Churchill Downs for the Derby? Big = weekend for horse racing this Saturday. Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 11:26:49 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Reply-To: ralphj@eskimo.com Subject: Faith Joy Gudgel. Nov 6, 1973, May 3, 2002 I am sorry to announce that my beautiful in body and spirit granddaughter Faith Joy Gudgel Taylor passed away this morning about 5 am. She was 28 years old. She was born November 6 in Renton Washington. She was truly the kind of girl that made the world a more beautiful place. As an example just yesterday, the day before she died, she told a lady at the Swedish hospital that they had made this difficult situation a pleasant experience. This was really something as at the time she was experiencing great pain and could barely talk and could not lie down because of it. She was named Faith Joy because her mother and dad had wanted a girl so much. It will be some consolation that they now have a granddaughter Faith Gudgel a year old from their son David and Katherine Gudgel. But nothing will really replace our Faith. There was probably only one regret she had. When she learned she had cancer she said now I will not be able to have children. She was married barely a year when she learned she had cancer. I am going to link to a picture of Faith with her uncle Bob on the right who runs this list, with his brother Robin Gudgel. This was taken on April 14th last month at the first birthday party for little Faith. She stood up to have her picture taken then lay down again because she did not have the strength to stay up. Posted by Grandpa Doyal Gudgel http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/faithbobrob.jpg From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: I'm back! Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:11:39 -0400 Hi Folks! I am back among my cyber friends now. For those interested I can tell = you that upgrading from Windows 98 to Windows XP changes everything. = Seems nothing wants to configure with the previous software. But I am = "all systems go" now. I burnt my first CD last night with the help of a = young tech friend. Not sure I can do it again solo but at least I did = it. As I have said before..."I know just enough to get me in = trouble"! I have gotten pretty good at scanning and emailing pictures, obits, etc. = and have sent several things to Bill Gudgel for the newsletter. I got = the new multi-function copies, scanner, printer and it's wonderful = (Lexmark X83). If it's easy for me it would be a piece of cake for = anyone. Bob-I tried to access the photos on our mail list and it wouldn't load. = Is there a problem? I have a lot of things I want to send to you for = the GUDGEL page. Hope everyone is doing okay. Will keep everyone posted about the = Indiana trip this fall as soon as I know more. Linda from Kentucky lots of rain in last week or so but beautiful weather in between = thunderstorms. From: Bob Gudgel Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re. I'm back and Gudgel pix >>Bob-I tried to access the photos on our mail list and it wouldn't load. = Is there a problem? I have a lot of things I want to send to you for = the GUDGEL page. I just tried it, and was able to get the pictures on the directory... ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bgudgel/gudgelphotos/ Maybe I should make an "http://" page instead of this fpt:// one that I've been using. Also, I lost the index of the pictures. Will have to re-do that so everyone knows what is what. (including me) If you have any pictures for the site, email them to me as an attachment if possible to bob@gudgel.org If there is trouble doing that, we'll find a way! Love to see those Gudgel related pictures! Have a GREAT day ! We are off, this afternoon though, to Faith Gudgel's (Faith Taylor actually) memorial. boB In, sunny, (well, it's trying to come out) Arlington WA (at work now) From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Happy Mother's Day Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:47:31 -0400 Wishing a Happy Mother's Day to all our GUDGEL family's mothers. May = all our Mom's get extra special Hugs and remembrances today. Would some of you care to tell us about your Mom and who she really was? = Maybe a special story or rememberance that is dear to you? And does anyone remember all the words to the song that spelt out = mother? I can remember all but a line or two.... M- is for the many things she gave me. O-means only that she's growing old. T- is for the tears _________________ H- is for her heart of purest gold. E- is for __________________________ R- is for __________________________ Put them all together, they spell Mother A word that means the world to me. Someone help me out here. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: 1880 Federal Census Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:36:12 -0400 Hi Folks- I have been looking though the 1880 U.S> Federal Census and trying to = place where these GUDGEL(L)'s fit in our family tree. Maybe some of you = can help. I will be working at this for a while but thought I'd enter a = few as I go. Dayton, Butte Co., CA, pg. 314B: James B. GUDGEL, male, white, widowed, age 45, b. Georgia, fa. b. GA, = mo. b. Alabama. Living with the family of R.W. BOYDSTUN, listed as a = Laborer, and relationship listed as "Other". (Father born in Georgia?) That's intersting. *********************************************************************** Newville, Colusa Co., CA, page 516C: George B. GUDGEL, self, male, single, white, age 56, b. KY, fa. b. KY, = mo. b. KY. Occ.: Carpenter. (Living alone. Is this the son of John Franklin GUDGEL and Cynthia Ann = BROWN?) *************************************************************************= ************************ Fairfield, Jefferson Co., Iowa, page 404B: Lausia GUDGEL, dau, female, divorced, white, age 27, b. IN, fa. b. OH, = mo. b. OH, at home. Olie GUDGEL, grandaughter, female, white, age 6, b. Iowa. They are living with the family of Isreal and Margaret MULNIX. =20 *************************************************************************= ************************** Tiskilwa, Bureau Co., IL, page 2D Margaret GUDGEL, self, female, widowed, white, age 59, b. OH, fa. b. IA, = mo. b. OH Melissa GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 26, b. IL, fa. b. IN, = mo. b. OH Grace GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 21, b. IL, fa. b. IN, mo. = b. OH At first I thought this was the widow of Jacob GUDGEL, who married = Margaret STEWART, but the dates don't fit. They had a dau. Melissa = also. Any ideas? More later,=20 Linda from beautiful weather in KY. =20 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: John K. GUDGEL and Nancy WITHERSPOON Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:41:21 -0400 Does anyone have any children listed for John K. GUDGEL and Nancy = WITHERSPOON? John is the son of William GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN. = Nancy is the daughter of Lemuel WITHERSPOON and Violet WALLACE. All = from Indiana. Any other data on this marriage? Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Margaret Gillis Gudgell Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:58:01 -0700 Linda wrote: Tiskilwa, Bureau Co., IL, page 2D Margaret GUDGEL, self, female, widowed, white, age 59, b. OH, fa. b. IA, mo. b. OH Melissa GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 26, b. IL, fa. b. IN, mo. b. OH Grace GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 21, b. IL, fa. b. IN, mo. b. OH At first I thought this was the widow of Jacob GUDGEL, who married Margaret STEWART, but the dates don't fit. They had a dau. Melissa also. Any ideas? ---------------------- Linda, I believe this is Margaret GILLIS, wife of John Gudgell b. 1824 IN.d. 29 Jul 1876 Redwing, Goodhue Co., MN. s/o Mahlon and Charlotte SNODGRASS, s/o Daniel GUDSHALL/GUDGELL and Rachel GAUSE, s/o ?Andrew Sr? John and Margaret were married 3 Aug. 1843 Clinton Co. OH. Margaret was b. 1821 OH. d. 16 Feb. 1896. Their children: Mahlon b,. abt 1852, Illinois d. 25 Aug 1924, Redwing, MN. Grace (blind girl) b. 29 Oct. 1858 d. 3 Feb. 1907 Tiskilwa, Illinois Melissa b. abt. 1854 d. ? Allen abt. 1864 ( I don't have anything on Allen and don't know where I got the information) also infants: Reuben W. b.1856 d. 31 Aug. 1856 Mary P. b. 22 Jan 1861 d. 3 Mar 1862 Henry b.8 July 1862 d. 2 Sept 1862 From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: John K. GUDGEL and Nancy WITHERSPOON Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:01:33 -0700 I'm quite sure it is John Franklin GUDGEL (about 1841 - after Apr 1910) = and Nancy WITHERSPOON (about 1843 - 4 Sep 1902) and they had 8 children = that I have found, one died young, the others have marriage records in = IN. Lucy F. GUDGEL b.abt 1862/1864 m.Charles L. DODD Elvira Elizabeth GUDGEL b.abt 1864/1865 m.George W. SMITH Harriet "Hattie" J. GUDGEL (1867-1935) m.1.William H. MARTIN 2.Andrew J. = WALLIS/WALLACE (Her father is living with her in 1910) Alvin Edward "Ed" GUDGEL (5 Sep 1868-23 Feb 1950) m.Lydia Effie BARNETT = in Posey Co., IN (the others are all in Gibson Co.) Malissa Anne GUDGEL (abt 1870/1873-18 Mar 1902) m.Andrew J. = WALLIS/WALLACE Abner Alvin B. "Alva" GUDGEL (6 Apr 1872-28 Apr 1936) m.Anna E. HANNON Martha Jane "Mattie" GUDGEL (1876-1913) m.John W. JORDON Ethel GUDGEL (22 May 1881-14 Oct 1890) Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: John K. GUDGEL and Nancy WITHERSPOON Does anyone have any children listed for John K. GUDGEL and Nancy = WITHERSPOON? John is the son of William GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN. = Nancy is the daughter of Lemuel WITHERSPOON and Violet WALLACE. All = from Indiana. Any other data on this marriage? Linda Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:11:40 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: 1880 Federal Census Interesting. I've made the following quick observations. See what you think: How can a woman 27 have a granddaughter age 6? Obviously Olie is Lausia child.Lausia GUDGEL, dau, female, divorced, white, age 27,Olie GUDGEL, grandaughter, female, white, age 6, b. Iowa. We don't think there were any Gudgel's in Georgia and Alabama, so I suspect James may have been a light skinned part negro who was a former slave. James B. GUDGEL, male, white, widowed, age 45, b. Georgia, fa. b. GA, mo. b. Alabama. Ok, now you guys come up with some ideas. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi Folks- I have been looking though the 1880 U.S> Federal Census > and trying to place where these GUDGEL(L)'s fit in our family tree. > Maybe some of you can help. I will be working at this for a while > but thought I'd enter a few as I go. Dayton, Butte Co., CA, pg. > 314B:James B. GUDGEL, male, white, widowed, age 45, b. Georgia, fa. > b. GA, mo. b. Alabama. Living with the family of R.W. BOYDSTUN, > listed as a Laborer, and relationship listed as "Other". (Father > born in Georgia?) That's > intersting. *********************************************************************** Newville, > Colusa Co., CA, page 516C:George B. GUDGEL, self, male, single, > white, age 56, b. KY, fa. b. KY, mo. b. KY. Occ.: > Carpenter. (Living alone. Is this the son of John Franklin GUDGEL > and Cynthia Ann > BROWN?) ************************************************************************************************* Fairfield, > Jefferson Co., Iowa, page 404B: Lausia GUDGEL, dau, female, > divorced, white, age 27, b. IN, fa. b. OH, mo. b. OH, at home.Olie > GUDGEL, grandaughter, female, white, age 6, b. Iowa. They are living > with the family of Isreal and Margaret > MULNIX. *************************************************************************************************** Tiskilwa, > Bureau Co., IL, page 2D Margaret GUDGEL, self, female, widowed, > white, age 59, b. OH, fa. b. IA, mo. b. OHMelissa GUDGEL, dau., > female, single, white, age 26, b. IL, fa. b. IN, mo. b. OHGrace > GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 21, b. IL, fa. b. IN, mo. > b. OH At first I thought this was the widow of Jacob GUDGEL, who > married Margaret STEWART, but the dates don't fit. They had a dau. > Melissa also. Any ideas? More later,Linda from beautiful weather > in KY. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL/WITHERSPOON LINES Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:24:55 -0400 Hi Folks- I must have something crossed up between these two families. I have Dr. John Franklin GUDGEL (1849-1901) married to Cynthia Anna = BALDWIN (1855-1901). They married April 11, 1875. He was a medical = doctor in Hazelton, IN. Children were: Harry B., Jesse B., Willard, = Everett D., and Ruth E. I was recently asked about John and Cynthia = dying in an auto accident in 1901. Does anyone know about this? It would = make sense when I noted they died one day apart. Then I have John K. GUDGEL (b. 1841 IN) , son of William GUDGEL and = Lucinda THURMAN, married to Nancy WITHERSPOON ( 1845 Oakland City, = Gibson Co., IN), dau. of Lemuel WITHERSPOON and Violet Ann WALLACE. No = children listed of this marriage. Another son of WIlliam GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN, named Jacob, married = Mary Jane WITHERSPOON, another daughter of Lemuel WITHERSPOON and Violet = Ann WALLACE. That's brothers marrying sisters. Stay with me now . = Children of Jacob GUDGEL and Mary Jane WITHERSPOON were: William Lemuel, Thomas Edwaerd, Tully, Nancy, Allen, Fedora, Cherees, = Lucy, Ethel and Frederick. So where have I missed placing these people, if I have. Who were the = parents of Lucy, Elvira, Harriett, and Alvin GUDGEL? Was it John K. = GUDGEL and Nancy WITHERSPOON? I think I have mistakenly given the wrong info.to Howard MAXWELL of = Indianapolis, IN. If I have, I will gladly correct it. Can someone = help? Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Gudgel/ Witherspoon lines Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:29:59 -0700 Linda. Your Dr. John Franklin GUDGEL was the s/o Andrew and Elvira WALLACE Gudgel, s/o William and Lucinda Thurman GUDGEL. Elvira WALLACE Gudgel was a sister of Violet WALLACE Witherspoon. You have the children in the correct families for Jacob and Mary Jane WITHERSPOON Gudgel, However, I have that person 'Cherees' as Charles Henry b. 5 Aug. 1876 d. 31 Dec. 1959, Stillwater, Payne OK. married Grace Alberta NICHOLS 20 Jan. 1900. I have the same children that Nancy Miller has, for John K. or Franklin (I've seen his middle name as Abner) and Nancy WITHERSPOON Gudgel. Andrew, Jacob and John were all brothers, s/o William and Lucinda Thurman Gudgel. Hope this helps. Vivian From: "Mia" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: GUDGEL/WITHERSPOON LINES Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:02:24 -0400 I have a little to add to these families... For Dr. John Franklin GUDGEL and Cynthia I have a sixth child (I'm not = sure where I got this information), Claretta Gudgel b. 6 August 1876. = She did not appear in the 1880 Census so she must have died young.=20 The 1900 Census confirms that John & Cynthia had 6 kids: 1900 Federal Census City of Hazelton White River, Township Gibson County, Indiana e.d. #18, sheet 4 GUDGEL, J. L. head Jan. 1849 51 IN IN KY Anna wife Jun. 1854 45 IN IN IN H. B. son Oct. 1877 22 IN IN IN J. A. son Sept. 1879 20 IN IN IN Willard W. son Jun. 1881 18 IN IN IN Everett D. son May 1883 15 IN IN IN Ruth E. dau Aug. 1887 12 IN IN IN J.L. & Anna have been married 25 years. Anna is the mother of 6 = children, 5 living.=20 J.L. is a Physician/Surgeon. He owns his own home H.B. & J.A are students Williard is a farm laborer unemployed for 7 month and in school 6 1/2 = months Everett D. is a Griany? Saleman, unemployed for 7 months and in school = 6 1/2 months.=20 All can read, write and speak english. Enumerated on the 7 day of June, 1900 by H.B. Gudgel, Enumerator. *************************************************************************= ********************************** I found the following on the web for John K. GUDGEL and Nancy = WITHERSPOON Descendants of Arthur Wallace http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/a/k/DEBORAH-L-LAKE/ODT6-0027.html August 4, 2000 dtlake@mill.tds.net Page 27 of 34 4 Wallace, Violet Ann b: October 05, 1820 in Gibson Co IN d: = December 22, 1861 in Gibson Co IN +Witherspoon, Lemuel b: December 24, 1819 in Ohio Co , Kentucky m: = April 20, 1840 in Gibson Co IN .......... 5 Witherspoon, Nancy Ann b: Abt. 1852 in Ohio Co , = Kentucky d: 1902 ............. 6 Gudgel, Elvira =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Lucy =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Elizabeth =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Harriett =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Milissa Ann d: March 18, 1902 ............. 6 Gudgel, William =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Ed =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Ella =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Nancy E. =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Dora =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Charles =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Ethel =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Fred =20 [I question whether all of these children belong. I think the last 8 = belong to are Jacob and Mary Jane's] I also have the 1880 census: 1880 Federal Census Montgomery Township Gibson County, Indiana ed.110, sh.16, l.15 GUDGEL, John head 39 IN Nancy wife 35 IN Lucy F. dau 18 IN Elvire E. dau 16 IN Hatter J. dau 14 IN Alvin E. son 12 IN Melissa A. dau 10 IN Alva B. son 8 IN Martha J. dau 4 IN ************************************************************ For Jacob GUDGEL and Mary Jane Witherspoon I have the following = information from the census: *************************************************************************= ********************************** 1870 Federal Census Gibson County, Indiana Columbia Township Oakland City page 40 313/300 GUDGEL, Jacob 37 Farmer 2000 600 IN Mary J. 27 Keeping House IN William L. 8 at home IN Thomas E. 6 at home IN Martha L. 4 at home IN Nancy E. 2 at home IN Taken 17 June 1870 *************************************************************************= ********************************** 1880 Federal Census Gibson County, Indiana Columbia Township e.d.#106, sheet 19,line 12 GUDGEL, Jacob head 48 IN Mary J. wife 38 IN Thomas E. son 15 IN Martha L. dau 13 IN Nancy E. dau 11 IN Theodore son 7 IN Charles H. son 5 IN Lucy B. dau 1 IN *************************************************************************= ********************************** Also I have Jacob's application for pension dated (certificate No. = 419297) That is the source of the children you have listed. I took a = close look at it and instead of Tully I think it says Luelley, instead = of Allen I think it says Alley, instead of Fedora I think it says = Teadora and instead of Cherrees I think it says Charles. "Have you any children living? If so, please state their names and the = dates of their birth. Answer. yes. William December 61.Edaward 1864. Luelley 1866. Nancey E. = 1868. Alley 1872. Teadora 1874. Charles 1876, Lucey 1879. Ethel January = 1881. Frederic 1884. Date of reply, May 18, 1898. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Date: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: GUDGEL/WITHERSPOON LINES Hi Folks- I must have something crossed up between these two families. I have Dr. John Franklin GUDGEL (1849-1901) married to Cynthia Anna = BALDWIN (1855-1901). They married April 11, 1875. He was a medical = doctor in Hazelton, IN. Children were: Harry B., Jesse B., Willard, = Everett D., and Ruth E. I was recently asked about John and Cynthia = dying in an auto accident in 1901. Does anyone know about this? It would = make sense when I noted they died one day apart. Then I have John K. GUDGEL (b. 1841 IN) , son of William GUDGEL and = Lucinda THURMAN, married to Nancy WITHERSPOON ( 1845 Oakland City, = Gibson Co., IN), dau. of Lemuel WITHERSPOON and Violet Ann WALLACE. No = children listed of this marriage. Another son of WIlliam GUDGEL and Lucinda THURMAN, named Jacob, = married Mary Jane WITHERSPOON, another daughter of Lemuel WITHERSPOON = and Violet Ann WALLACE. That's brothers marrying sisters. Stay with me = now . Children of Jacob GUDGEL and Mary Jane WITHERSPOON were: William Lemuel, Thomas Edwaerd, Tully, Nancy, Allen, Fedora, Cherees, = Lucy, Ethel and Frederick. So where have I missed placing these people, if I have. Who were the = parents of Lucy, Elvira, Harriett, and Alvin GUDGEL? Was it John K. = GUDGEL and Nancy WITHERSPOON? I think I have mistakenly given the wrong info.to Howard MAXWELL of = Indianapolis, IN. If I have, I will gladly correct it. Can someone = help? Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Gudgel/Witherspoon linesl Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:06:12 -0700 Mia, How come your census listing for John Franklin and Anne is listed as J.L. and not J.F.? Could the 'L' be an 'F'? The kids match with the ones that I have for John Franklin. I have : 1.Claretta b. 6 Aug 1876 d. 6 Aug 1876 2.Harry B. b. 7 Oct 1877 Married Emma Harrolle i907 3.Jesse Andrew b. 5 Sept 1879 d. 1 Nov. 1933 Conrad Cem. MT. Married Ethel Hogue 4.Williard Wm. b. 8 June 1881 d. ? 5.Everett Dale b. 31 May 1885 d. 1971 married Alice L. Folger 2 Nov. 1905 6.Ruth E. b. 27 Aug 1887 d. ? married Clifford H. Alexander Vivian P. S. do you have a new e-mail address? From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: More 1880 Census Identifications Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:04:38 -0400 Can anyone help with these families? Some I have identified but there = are others on the list who may have info. or stories to add to this = information. 1880 Federal Census, Tiskilwa, Bureau Co., IL, page 135D: William G. GUDGEL, self, male, married, white, age 52, b. OH, fa. b. PA, = mo b. KY, occup: Retail Grocer. Susan A. GUDGEL, wife, female, ,arried, white, age 35, b. IRE, fa. b. = PA, mo. b. IRE, Keeping House. Frank W. GUDGEL, son, male, single, white, age 21, b. IL. Clerk in Store John H. GUDGEL, son, male, single, white, age 17, b. IL, at school. Emma A. GUDGEL, dau, female, single, white, age 12, b. IL, at school. Clarance E. GUDGEL, son, male, single, white, age 9, b. IL, at school. Ida M. GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 6, b. IL., at school Walter R. GUDGEL, son, male, single, white, age. 2, b. IL 1880 Federal Census, Indiantown, Bureau Co., Il, page 142A: Mahlon N. GUDGEL, self, male, married, white, age 23, b. IL, fa. b. OH, = mo. b. OH, Occup: Farmer Mary S. GUDGEL, wife, female, married, white, age 23, b. IN, fa. b. PA, = mo. b. NOR, Keeping house. Clifford GUDGEL, son, male, single, white, age 3, b. MN Grace B. GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 3 mo., b. IL 1880 Federal Census, Milo, Bureau Co., IL, page 194B: James GUDGEL, self, male, married, white, age 67, b. PA, fa. b. PA, mo = b. PA, Occup.: Farmer Elizabeth GUDGEL, wife, female, married, white, age 69, b. OH, fa. b. = NJ, mo. b. NJ, Keeping House. 1880 Federal Census, Milo, Bureau Co., Il, page194B: James GUDGEL, self, male, married, white, age 29, b. IL, fa. b. PA, mo. = b. OH, Occup: Farmer Ann GUDGEL, wife, female, white, age 25, b. IL, fa. b. IN, mo. b. IN, = Keeping House 2 laborers listed in household: George More and James Perviance. 1880 Federal Census, Bureau Co., IL, page 204B: Milton GUDGEL, self, male, married, white, age 52, b. OH, fa. b. PA, mo. = b. KY, Occup: Farmer Ann GUDGEL, wife, female, smarried, white, age 48, b. ME, fa. b. ME, mo. = b. ME, House Keeper Oliver P. GUDGEL, son, male, single, white, age 26, b. IL, Farm Hand Orren GUDGEL, son, make, single, white, b. IL, Farm Hand. Josephene GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, age 20, b. IL, servant = girl Caroline GUDGEL, dau. female, single, white, age 17, b. IL, servant = girl. Lewis C. GUDGEL, son, male, single, white, age 10. b. IL, at school. Annie B. GUDGEL, dau., female, single, white, b. IL That's all for tonight. Linda Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:24:40 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: More 1880 Census Identifications I can't help much here but I'd like to know who has looked at the 1930 census that just became available? I've looked at it a bit, but haven't had time to do a good job. We have to go through a lot of city directories to find our folk I fear. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: More 1880 Census Identifications Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:17:01 -0700 Linda, These are all from the Daniel Gudshall/Gudgell line. I'm wondering who are the others on the Gudgel-list, who are from the = Daniel line? I would like to hear from them, maybe they can fill in = some blanks. William G. is son of Mahlon, s/o Daniel Mahlon N. is son of John s/o Mahlon s/o Daniel James, age 67, is son of Stephen s/o Daniel James, age 29, is son of James, age 67, s/o Stephen s/o Daniel Milton is son of Mahlon, s/o Daniel Vivian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: More 1880 Census Identifications Can anyone help with these families? Some I have identified but there = are others on the list who may have info. or stories to add to this = information. 1880 Federal Census, Tiskilwa, Bureau Co., IL, page 135D: <<>> From: "Mia" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: More 1880 Census Identifications Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:52:20 -0400 Here is a few more tidbits on James, son of Stephen G.: The Tax Payers and Voters of Bureau County, Illinois: History, = Biography, Statistics, and Laws Chicago: H.F. Kett & Co. 15 Lakeside Bldg, 1877 (Univ. of Ill Library, Illinois State Archives 977.337 751) Page 317 - Voters and Taxpayers Milo Township GUDGEL, Jas H. Sec 16, P.O. Milo; Farmer; Dem; Christian; 140 ac. val. = $7,000; born Pa. *************************************************************************= ********************************** FROM THE HENRY NEWS REPUBLICAN=20 http://www.mindspring.com/~kandiandi/bio.htm viewed May 21, 1999 2/23/1882 OXBOW Mr. Wm Harney purchased the farm of James Gudgel Sr in = Milo Township Bureau County...140 acres...$8000 possession March 1. *************************************************************************= ********************************* http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ viewed Nov. 16, 1998 Bureau of Land Management Eastern States, General Land Office Patentee Name Signature Date Document NR. Accession NR. GUDGEL, James H. 10/01/1834 3566 IN0270__.056 *************************************************************************= ********************************** Purchaser: GUDGEL JAMES H =20 Record ID: 528598 Date: 06/06/1846 Acres: 80 Price: $1.75 Type of sale: School (SC) County: 6 Section: 16 (Cook) Section Part: LOT2S2NW Township: 14N Range: 08E Meridian: 4 Purchaser Res: Arch. Vol. No: 819 Vol. Page No.: 022 *************************************************************************= ********************************** Mia From: "Mia" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: William G. Gudgel Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:40:37 -0400 Hi Linda and all,=20 Here is some additional information on William G.: The Tax Payers and VOters of Bureau County, Illinois: History, = Biography, Statistics, and Laws Chicago: H.F. Kett & Co. 15 Lakeside Bldg, 1877 (Univ. of Ill Library, Illinois State Archives 977.337 751) Page 251 - Indiantown Township Voters and Taxpayers GUDGELL, William G. Grocery Store, and Buys and sells stock, P.O. = Tiskilwa; born Ohio, Oct. 1, 1827; came to this Co. in 1855; Rep; Bapt; = owns 120 acres of land, house and 5 lots, value $10,000; has held the = office of Town Collector, also the office of Corporation Trustee and = School Director; married, first Mary A. Sharpless, from Ohio, 1852; she = died March 4, 1861; married Susan A. Smith, Jan. 1, 1862, she was born = in N.Y. State; have eight children, lost two. Page 409 - Business Directory of our Patons in Bureau County GUDGELL, Wm. G. Dealer in Croceries, Provisions, Stock, &c. *************************************************************************= ********************************** History of Bureau County, Illinois H.C. Bradsby, editor Chicago World Publishing Company, 1885 page 534-535 =20 William G. Gudgell, Tiskilwa, was born October 1, 1827, in Warren = County, Ohio. He is a son of Mahlon Gudgell, who was a native of = Pennsylvania. He was a farmer and shoe-maker by occupation, and died in = Ohio. The grandfather of our subject was a soldier in the Revolutionary = war. The wife of Mahlon Gudgell was Charlotte (Snodgrass) Gudgell, who = was the mother of five children, viz.: Stephen, John, Samuel, William G. = and Milton. Mrs. Charlotte Gudgell died in Bureau County, aged = eighty-four years. Our subject went to school in Indiana, and at the = age of fourteen he commenced to farm for himself on his widowed mother's = farm. Even at that age he would do a man's work in cradling and mowing. = In the fall of 1850 he came to Putnam County, Ill., where he farmed = till 1856, when he removed to Tiskilwa, Bureau County, where he opened a = grocery store the following January in partnership with C.A. Dean. In a = few year the latter went to California, and Mr. Gudgell has continued = the business ever since. For a number of years he was also engaged in = the stock and grain business. Mr. Gudgell was married twice. His first = wife, Mary A. Sharpless, died March 4, 1861. She was the mother of four = children, viz.: Harrison W., Luella V., Sarah L. and William Frank. His = present wife, Susan A. Smith, is a native of New York. She is the = mother of six children, viz.: John H., Emma A. Clarence E., Ida, May and = Walter R. Mr. and Mrs. Gudgell are members of the Baptist Church. = Politically he is a Republican, and was formerly a friend of the = "underground railroad."=20 *************************************************************************= ********************************** Genealogy of the Sharpless Family by Gilbert Cope 1887 page 1053 Mary Adaline Sharpless7, Rees6, b. Ohio, d. Illinois, m. William G. = Gudgel, of Ohio, now of Tiskilwa, Bureau Co., Ill., merchant and owner = of 420 acres of land. Children,--- Harrison W., b. Magnolia, Putnam = Co., Ill., 11, 21, 1852; m. Princeton, Ill., 3,16, 1875, Clara B. = Derbyshire, b. there, 5,3,1854; dau. of Alfred S. Derbyshire and Martha = Cruchelow, of that place. Children, Daisy B., b. Princeton, 1, 18, = 1877; Elmer B., b. Magnolia, 7, 8, 1879,Luella V., b. 3, 4, 1854; = unmarried. Sarah L., b. 10, 9, 1856; unmarried. William Franklin, b. Tiskilwa, = Ill., 2,17, 1859; m. Union Co., Iowa, 2, 9, 1882, Alice A. Hogue, b. = Tiskilwa, 7, 23, 1859; dau. of Milton Hogue and Harriett Holbrook, of = Princeton. He is a farmer, at Tiskilwa. Child, Edith Luella, b. 3,2, = 1883. *************************************************************************= ********************************** 1900 Federal Census Soundex=20 Indiantown Township Tiskelwa (part of) Bureau County, Illinois v.6, ed.15, sh.1, l.73 GUDGEL, William G. b. Oct. 1827 Ohio age 72 Susan A. wife b. Jul. 1846 Ireland age 53 (Naturalized) Henry son b. Dec. 1862 IL age 37 Emma A. dau b. Nov. 1867 IL age 32 Walter R. son b. Nov. 1877 IL age 22 Blanch L. son b. Oct. 1881 IL age 18 *************************************************************************= ********************************** Mia From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: William G. Gudgel Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:18:36 -0700 I have a couple of items to add to this. Mia wrote: Genealogy of the Sharpless Family by Gilbert Cope 1887 page 1053 Mary Adaline Sharpless7, Rees6, b. Ohio, d. Illinois, m. William G. Gudgel, of Ohio, now of Tiskilwa, Bureau Co., Ill., merchant and owner of 420 acres of land. Children,--- Harrison W., b. Magnolia, Putnam Co., Ill., 11, 21, 1852; m. Princeton, Ill., 3,16, 1875, Clara B. Derbyshire, b. there, 5,3,1854; dau. of Alfred S. Derbyshire and Martha Cruchelow, of that place. Children, Daisy B., b. Princeton, 1, 18, 1877; Elmer B., b. Magnolia, 7, 8, 1879,Luella V., b. 3, 4, 1854; unmarried. Sarah L., b. 10, 9, 1856; unmarried. William Franklin, b. Tiskilwa, Ill., 2,17, 1859; m. Union Co., Iowa, 2, 9, 1882, Alice A. Hogue, b. Tiskilwa, 7, 23, 1859; dau. of Milton Hogue and Harriett Holbrook, of Princeton. He is a farmer, at Tiskilwa. Child, Edith Luella, b. 3,2, 1883. ****************************** The Sharples-Sharpless family Anderson, Bart 1966-1971 Page 382 Luella V. Gudgel b. 3.4.1854, daughter of William G. and Mary Adaline Sharpless, married in Princeton, Illinois, by the Rev. T.R. Strobridge om 9 mo. 28, 1892 to J.W. Henry. He was born abt. 1847 and was from Chicago, Illinois at the time of his marriage. Sarah L. Gudgel b. 10 mo. 9, 1856, daughter of William G. and Mary Adaline Sharpless. She married Emery Baker and in 1906 the family was living in Princeton, Illinois. Franklin William Gudgel b. 2 mo. 17, 1859, son of William G. and Mary Adaline Sharpless. Mr Gudgel was a store clerk and in 1906 was living in Howard, South Dakota and in 1938 in Tiskilwa, Illinois Issue: Edith Luella married Elmer J. Heaton. Mark Raymond born 11 mo. 19, 1887 ********************************** The rest of the data is the same as Mia posted. My source was written at a later date and the kids had married after the first source. Thanks, Mia Vivian ******************************************************************** *************************************** From: "Mia" To: "Vivian Gudgell" , Subject: Children of William G. Gudgel Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:33:14 -0400 Thank you Vivian for the information in the 1966-1971 Sharpless genealogy. I didn't have that. I have two more census records for this family... 1900 Federal Census Soundex Princeton Township Bureau County, Illinois v.6, ed.23, sh.7, l.49 GUDGELL, Harrison W. Nov. 1852 IL age 47 Clara B. wife May 1854 IL age 46 Elmer B. son July 1879 IL age 20 Kyle D. son Aug. 1887 IL age 17 Ray V. son Aug. 1894 IL age 5 ******************************************************* 1900 Federal Census Soundex Princeton Township Bureau County, Illinois v.6, ed.23, sh.3, l.74-80. GUDGELE, Frank Wm. b. Feb 1859 in IL, age 41 Alice A. wife b. July 1859 in IL, age 40 Edith L. dau b. Mar 1883 in IL, age 17 Mark R. son b. Nov. 1887 in IL, age 12 Mabel J. son b. June 1890 in IL, age 9 HOGIE, Ada sister-in-law b. Mar. 1873 in IL, age 27 and 1 servant see also Gudgrle, Frank Wm. Mia From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:42:13 EDT Subject: DANIEL ' s Death Cert. For all of you that are looking for Daniel, I went to Madison, IN yesterday and while I was there I checked for Daniel's Death Cert. but they didn't start keeping records until 1882 and Vivian said she thought it was 1821. Sorry Pat Agnew From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Madison, IN research Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 06:49:46 -0400 Pat, I've not been to Madison before, tell us where you researched and what = kind of records they had. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Daniel GUDGEL's Death Certificate Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 06:47:59 -0400 Thank you, Pat, for looking anyway. If anyone had access to the local = newspaper's microfilm at that time maybe there was an obit there. = Might be worth a try. Nothing would please me more than if we could finally tie Daniel GUDGEL = in with our lines with something concrete. Linda Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 07:12:19 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Daniel GUDGEL's Death Certificate Amen to that Linda. Does anyone have the time and documents close at hand to look up EACH Daniel Gudgel who is listed in the Rev War (from PA to begin with--then maybe MD or close by places). Some of you narrowed down which Daniel it might be at one time recently. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Thank you, Pat, for looking anyway. If anyone had access to the > local newspaper's microfilm at that time maybe there was an obit > there. Might be worth a try.Nothing would please me more than if we > could finally tie Daniel GUDGEL in with our lines with something > concrete. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Daniel godshalk service rec Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:23:07 -0700 Hi cousins, I got this answer to a request that I posted this weekend on the American Revolution lookup on Genforum. This is the Daniel GODSHALK who is listed as being at Valley Forge. *************** Posted by: geri brennan (ID *****3542) Date: June 03, 2002 at 08:15:05 In Reply to: Please lookup Daniel Godshalk by Vivian Gudgell of 9416 "He isn't listed in the pension files. He is listed in the service files. You will have to write for his service file to the National Archives in Washington, DC." ********************** Has anyone on the gudgel list written for his file? Vivian From: "Steve Varvel" Subject: Varvel connection in PA Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:13:43 -0700 Hi Gudgel researchers! I jumped into your ongoing discussion here about a year ago looking for = connections between Old Andrew Gudgel's family and my Varvel ancestors. = They lived close together on the Monongahela, followed each other to = Glens Creek in Woodford County, and continued on (some to Bath County, = KY, others to Jefferson County, IN). However, I haven't come across any = marriage links. While pursuing this I came across "John Conrad Bucher's Pastoral Record, = Cumberland and Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, 1763-1769" in the records of Ancestry.com. They list the birth date of "Andreas = Godshal" as 9-23-1767. His father was also "Andreas", and his mother was = "Anna Barbara". He was baptized there at Redstone (now Fayette County) = on 11-131-1768, sponsored by my Johannes Wirbel (aka John Varvel) and = his wife Elizabeth.=20 I never knew the name of Johns wife until know, and I suspect she may = have been a Gudgel. Does anyone know if "Old Andrew" may have had a = sister named Elizabeth? Thanks! Steve Varvel Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:15:15 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Reply-To: dianeh@corecom.net To: Steve Varvel Subject: Re: Varvel in PA & Fred G's will? Wow Steve, you may be on to something. Thanks for the good research. I'm interested to know what church these records came from? We suspect Andrew was a Mennonite or Quaker. The Andrew Godshall who was the son of Frederick had a sister named Elizabeth but she was married to a Mayer/Myer in 1748 although those things change of course. Maybe search for Mr Mayer's death/will could help and Elizabeth's re-marriage certificate? While we think Andrew Jr was born in MD in 1760, we don't have any proof. Certainly your information warrants more investigation to figure out which Andrew it is and if and how he was related to Frederick--although we are getting closer and closer to believing Fred and Andrew Sr were related. And we know that in the Fayette Co, PA land records Andrew Sr had a wife named Barbara! I am posting Frederick's will below because it lists all the kids. I can't recall who typed it up for us. December 7, 1748 written March 29, 1749 Anna Mary appeared as executrix Will Book I, Page 4, File 4 Will of Fredrick GODSTCHALK, Philadelphia Co., PA. Wife Annmary Godtschalk receives the third part of the Estate Both Real and after her Death it shall be equally divided between five Children: 1. Agnes Panncak wife of Yost Panncak 2. Andrew Godtschalk, to have 30 more than the others 3. Mary Crout wife of Johan Crout (Son-in-Law Johan Crout shall have twenty five acres of Land out of my tract whereon he now Dwelleth) 4. Ann Alleback wife of Christan Alleback 5. Elisabeth Myer wife of [unreadable] Myer. Executors are Ann Mary Godtschalk & Yost Panncak. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage Steve Varvel wrote: > Hi Gudgel researchers! I jumped into your ongoing discussion here <> From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Andreas godshal Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:10:05 -0700 Dianne. Did you notice that there is 10 months of time between the birth date, 9-23-1767, and the baptism date, 11-31-1768, listed for Andreas GODSHAL that Steve Varvel provided in his message? That would be plenty of time for Andreas/Andrew to be born in Maryland and still be baptized in Cumberland Co. PA. Where did we get the idea that Andrew Jr. was born in Maryland? I have not heard the reasoning behind that theory. Also, I have a copy of the original will of Fredrick GODTSCHALK where the first name, 'Henery' of Henry MYER, is readable. (Notice the odd spelling of 'Henery'). Andrew and Annmary were spelled GATSCHALK and GODTSCHALK on the same document. Sometimes the names were capitalized and sometimes they were not. Spelling and grammar didn't seem to be important in those times even by the clerk who wrote the document. >From the appearance of the signature it is apparent that Fredrick didn't write the document himself. Thank you, Steve Varvel, for this new lead. By the way, do you have a Christopher WIRBEL/WERBEL in your line? I found him on a church communion list and, also, a baptism list for 1796. He was baptizing his son Christopher Jr. b. 28 Feb 1796. The church was the Union Reformed and Lutheran church at Peaked Mountain, Va. Vivian Gudgell Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:12:01 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Andreas godshal Yes, spelling should rarely be considered in old docs as proof of anything. It was too variable then. Andrew Jr is said to have been born in MD according to a county history book and I think it is in a history of Anderson Co, KY. Linda, help here? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Dianne. > Did you notice that there is 10 months of time between the birth > date, 9-23-1767, and the baptism date, 11-31-1768, listed for <<>> From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Barbara Hoch/? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:21:08 -0700 Does anyone know where the idea came from that Andrew's wife Barbara's last name was Hoch? Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: John Bucher baptism records Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:52:59 -0700 Dianne wanted to know which church John BUCHER was serving as pastor. I found this on the internet: PENNSYLVANIA VITAL RECORDS >From the Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine and The Pennsylvania Magazine and History and Biography Volume II Genealogical Publishing Co. 1983 RECORD OF MARRIAGES PERFORMED BY REV. JOHN BUCHER, 1763-1769, contributed by Luther R. Kelker These records can be found at your local library The Rev. John Conrd Bucker was born in Switzerland, June 10, 1730. In 1755 he came to Pennsylvania and settled near Carlisle. On Feb. 26, 1760, was married to Mary M. Hoke, and shortely after entered the Provincial service as lieutenant in the Second Battalion. About the year 1762 he entered the ministry of the German Reformed Church and served as pastor of various congregations. The original records, from which this copy is made, are in the possession of his great-granddaughter. *********************** There followed about ten marriages : 1763 Mar. 2 James FINDLEY and Jane McQuisten May 23 John MOLD and Nancy Dougherty Oct. 21 Lowrence CRAWFORD and Jane Bethy Nov. 1 Andrew GILLBREATH and Cathrina Smith alias Robinson Nov. 22 Samuel BRADYand Jane Simison Nov. 23 John PIRCKINS and Nancy Dougherty Nov. 28 James ANDERSON and Elizabeth Poeples Nov. 30 James HAMILTON and Margareth Cisney, alias Gallacher Dec. 6 Peter PEARIS and Rebecca Ramage I don't believe any of these are people that we are looking for. Vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Recent Postings Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:16:26 -0400 Hi Folks- Many thanks to Steve Varvel for the recent information about Andreas = GODSHAL. Way to go Steve! =20 Yes, our old Andrew had a sister, Elizabeth, who married Henry = Meyer/Myer! Sounds like Steve is on to something. I hope so. Vivian- I believe the information about Andrew's second wife, = Barbara/Barbary's maiden name possibly being "HOKE/HOGUE. etc." came = from Dr. Jim Pope. And as I said before, I was told her maiden name = could possibly have been HOKE/HOGUE (or some variation thereof). I'm = not sure where he got his information but if he says it could have been = then that was good enough for me. If he found something that led him to = believe that then you can bank on it. He is a very good and thorough = researcher. I will keep my eyes open for something he may have = referenced to me about this name. Could be something in my "stacks" . I can't say that I have actually seen reference to that fact for myself = though. I've not had a lot of time for researching lately. We've installed a = new software system for Kentucky Courts and I've been working lots of = extra hours lately but always reading the lists messages in the = evenings. BTW, Daniela- my brother, Sam GUDGEL, of Leominster, MA, is most likely = going to move to Sierra Vista, AZ about September. He's taking on a new = CEO job there. How close is that to you? Hope everyone is enjoying the summer weather and doing okay. How about a few words from some of you "readers" on the list. What have = you guys been up to? Linda from Kentucky- hot and beautiful days. Thunderstorms tonight, but we = can use the rain : ) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 20:31:50 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: John Bucher baptism records Does anyone know of the relationship of the German Reformed Church to the Mennonite or Quaker religion? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Dianne wanted to know which church John BUCHER was serving as > pastor. > I found this on the internet: > > PENNSYLVANIA VITAL RECORDS <> From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Recent Postings Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 04:32:59 -0700 Linda, Thanks. I have spent hours searching every variation of HOCK, HAWK, = HAUGH, HOUGH, HAAK etc., but never thought of HOKE, or HOGUE as being a = possibility. I have seen that name in my research, but don't know = where. I notice that John Conrad BUCHER, mentioned by Steve Varvel = married Mary M. HOKE. Maybe another lead? I will look! Vivian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: Recent Postings Hi Folks- Many thanks to Steve Varvel for the recent information about Andreas = GODSHAL. Way to go Steve! =20 From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:42:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Reformed church In referring to my confirmation book from 1948-published by the Evangelical and Reformed Church - Philadelphia, PA and St. Louis, MO , I find the following information about the "Reformed" part of the story- in Study Chapter 14. "..... Huldreich Zwingli started the Reformed branch of the church in Switzerland. Many German people came to believe the Reformed teachings, especially those living in the Rhine valley just north of Switzerland. This region is sometimes called the Palatinate. " It goes on to say that the Thirty Years War had caused great suffering in the area. The French armies were destroying the area, and the harvests were poor, along with a very cold winter. A Roman Catholic was now ruler of the province, and Reformed people sometimes had to suffer for their faith. So they left via the Rhine and found their way to America. Most came to Pennsylvania where Penn allowed people to worship as they wished. But since other peoples had already settled near the coast, the newcomers moved inland to the valleys and hills of eastern Pennsylvania. Not too far from Philadelphia lived a little cluster of Reformed people at a place called Falkner Swamp. Their school teacher, John Philip Boehm, also became their pastor. On October 15, 1725, he held his first communion with about forty worshipers present. Boehm drew up a constitution for his congregation, and the Reformed Church in the United States was begun. Zwingli was originally a priest. He was preaching his "reformed" ideas in Switzerland as early as 1522- at about the same that Martin Luther was 'protesting' in Germany. Zwingli believed that we are saved "by grace through faith" and that the Bible was the only rule of faith and life for Christians. --------------------- The main comparison that I see here to the Mennoites is that the Reformed institution developed at a similar time, in a similar place, and had similar problems and persecutions. And the immigrants came to the same area in America. Ardath Potts From: "Steve Varvel" Subject: John Conrad Bucher's papers Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:27:04 -0700 Hi again, I thought I should be a little more specific with that reference. = Ancestry.com has it included in its "Cumberland County Church Records" = database (from the main page a search for "Andreas Godshal" takes you = right to it). Unfortuneately it's a pay site, but they do have some good = stuff. There's more info about Bucher's records at this website: www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/mg/mg382.htm=20 I would really love to see more of that stuff. The interface to what = Ancestry.com is so awkward that you can search for names, but it's = almost impossible to browse. Vivian, you mentioned Christopher Wirbel - he was the son of a different = Palatine immigrant Johannes "Wirbel" (Warvel, Verbel, Varvel). He = settled in Frederick County, MD, and a couple of his sons (including = Christopher) moved down to Rockingham County, VA (Peaked Mountain = Church). We've had a tough time seperating his descendents from those of = my Johannes Wirbel/Varble/Varvel as well as from a third Palatine = immigrant, Philip Verble who came in 1741. I suspect they may have all = been related back in Germany but have no proof yet. -Steve Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 20:17:45 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Steve Varvel Subject: Re: John Conrad Bucher's papers Sounds like we need to investigate the relationship of Varvel's especially in MD to our Old Andrew if it is true that Andrew Jr was born there. Interesting leads. Anyone going to offer to do more research? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage Steve Varvel wrote: > Hi again, I thought I should be a little more specific with that > reference. Ancestry.com has it included in its "Cumberland County <>> From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: German names Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 18:11:24 -0700 Hello, I found this today and thought some others may find it interesting. Vivian Gudgell Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:10:42 -0500 From: "Jack Hoke" To: Message-Id: <199710220256.TAA12974@bl-4.rootsweb.com> Subject: PA GERMAN NAMES Hello All, while I'm having a blitz, I might just as well get this off my chest. 18th Century Pennsylvania German Naming Customs. Many modern researchers mistakenly attempt to gather and record data on individuals living in the 1700's, using our 20th century naming customs and rules. Many also attempt to 'translate' the seemingly ponderous and often almost identical names of a family group into their modern English equivalents. On learning that Johann=John, and Johannes=Hans=Jack, they immediately record them as cutsey 'Johnnies', and omit any 2nd christian name or initial. WRONG! Bad move! Especially with 'John', and a major stumbling block in research, as many already had this done as they stepped off the Ship in PA. Rule 1: Record the Full Germanic Baptismal Name, and record any aka or 'family' name. Johann Frederich Hock/Hoke was NOT John F. Hoke, he was Frederich Hoke. Peter Heinrich Hock/Hoke was NOT Peter H. Hoke, he was Heinrich (or more likely Henny) Hoke. Maria Clara Hock/Hoke was NOT Mary C. Hoke, she was Clara Hoke. Anna Maria Smyser Hock/Hoke was NOT Anna M. Hoke, she was Maria Hoke, and her mothers Surname was Smyser. Why? Because they used their 17th Century Germanic Naming Rules! Their Christian naming system was 1.Saint 2. Secular 3.Maternal. The Saint was dropped after Baptism, and from then on, to the 'Secular' World and their Secular Records (!) they were known by their Secular or Middle name. Family would have used a 'diminutive' or nick-name from this Secular name. 1. At baptism, if two given names were given to the child :- (a) The 1st. given name was the child's SPIRITUAL, or 'Saint's' name, originally developed from Roman Catholic tradition and continued by the Protestants in their baptismal naming customs. (b) The 2nd. given name was the SECULAR or 'call' name, which is the name the person was known by, both within the family and to this rest of the world. (c) If a 3rd name was given, this was usually to record their Maternal lineage or maternal distinction. The SPIRITUAL name, usually to honor a favorite saint, was usually repeatedly given to ALL the children of that family of the same sex. In a family that preferred the Saints names of Johann and Maria:- ALL the boys would be Johan Adam, Johan George, Johan Peter, Johan Jacob, etc., and ALL the girls would be named Maria Barbara, Maria Margaretta, Maria Elizabeth, Maria Catherine, etc. But after baptism, these people would NOT be known by the SPIRITUAL name of Johan, Philip, Anna, or Maria, etc., but by their SECULAR name, that we would think of now as their middle name. Thus the above examples would be known respectively as Adam, George, Peter, Jacob, Barbara, Margaretta, Elizabeth, and Catherine in all LEGAL and thus SECULAR records. Many 19th. & 20th. Century researchers, fall into the trap of translating the seemingly ponderous German names of their 17th. & 18th. Century subjects to their simpler modern English equivalents, and translate the wrong one! This translation of the full Germanic Baptismal Name is in itself a mistake for later accurate recognition of an individual. Johan or John is the most common example of this, as the saint's name Johan or John in particular was heavily used by many German families for their male offspring. Thus Johan Adam is often translated by researchers to John, and the Adam omitted in records. But the child's secular name was John, IF and ONLY IF, at baptism he was named ONLY John, usually Johannes, with NO second given name. Consequently, many researchers new to German names, on finding a baptism record of a Johan Adam, mistakenly spend a lot of time looking for a 'John' in legal and census records, when in fact after baptism, he was known to the secular world, by his secular name of Adam. Similarly, on reading county histories, etc., especially those written by individuals in the 20th century, you may find that the author refers to a 'John', and while you are really looking for a 'George' the history sounds familiar. Further research may very well turn up that this person was really not a 'John', but Johan George. Thus all his 18th century records are recorded under the name George, not John, and after checking the data and related facts you may find this is really a story about your missing George. 2. The term "Senior" and "Junior" following a name did not necessarily imply a father and son relationship, as it does now. It could have been an uncle and nephew who had the same name and lived near each other. It could be a grandfather and a grandchild living together, where the father has died. It could even be two unrelated individuals with the same name but of different ages who lived near each other. So to help friends and business associates keep track of who-was-who in their discussions and records, they added on the "Sr." or "Jr." which merely meant the older and the younger, respectively. 3. The term cousin was widely used to mean an extended family, not the specific legal definition we understand it to be today. 4. It was a common practice in some German families to name the first born son after the child's paternal grandfather and the second born son after the maternal grandfather. Here are several more detailed naming patterns practiced by some families. Pattern A :- 1st son after the father's father 1st daughter after the mother's mother 2nd son after the mother's father 2nd daughter after the father's mother 3rd son after the father 3rd daughter after the mother 4th son after the father's father's father 4th daughter after the father's father's mother 5th son after the mother's father's father 5th daughter after the mother's father's mother 6th son after the father's mother's father 6th daughter after the father's mother's mother 7th son after the mother's mother's father 7th daughter after the mother's mother's mother Pattern B :- The pattern B for the sons is the same as the above, but this pattern for daughters was different 1st son after the father's father 1st daughter after the father's mother 2nd son after the mother's father 2nd daughter after the mother's mother 3rd son after the father 3rd daughter after the mother 4th son after the father's father's father 4th daughter after the mother's father's mother 5th son after the mother's father's father 5th daughter after the father's father's mother 6th son after the father's mother's father 6th daughter after the father's mother's mother 7th son after the mother's mother's father 7th daughter after the mother's mother's mother Pattern C :- 1st son after the Paternal Grandpa (father's father) 1st daughter after the Paternal Grandma (father's mother) 2nd son after the Maternal Grandpa (mother's father) 2nd daughter after the Maternal Grandma (mother's mother) 3rd son after the father's oldest brother 3rd daughter after the mother's oldest sister 4th son after the father 4th daughter after the mother Whenever a duplicate name occurred in these patterns, the next name in the series was used. If a child died in infancy the name was often reused for the next child of the same gender. If you are lucky enough to find a family with a lot of children, who strictly followed one of these naming patterns, then it may give you useful clues to determining the possible names of family members in earlier generations. 5. An "in" or "en", added to the end of a name, such as Hockin and Hocken, are Germanic language name suffixes denoting an unmarried female or male respectively. Thus the correct spelling of the last name in the example would be 'Miss' Hock not Miss Hockin, and Master Hock not Master Hocken. I hope that the above information will be of assistance to individuals researching 18th Century Pennsylvania-German names and records. For additional information on "German-American Names" consult the book by that name written by Professor George F. Jones published by the Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD. For additional information on German names, consult the 1967 book written by Hans Bahlow. The English version titled "Dictionary of German Names" was translated by Edda Gentry. It was published in 1993 by the Max Kade Institute for German-American Studies, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison WI. J.H. Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:12:59 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: German names Wow, there is a lot of good information in that message Vivian. I wonder how long this naming pattern held true? And did it hold for all religions in the 1700s? Thanks, Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Hello, > I found this today and thought some others may find it interesting. > Vivian Gudgell > From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: References: <01c901c20f52$93899f00$08e24104@dslverizon.net> <3D037E8B.8EDEA7D9@corecom.net> Subject: Re: German names Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:24:43 -0700 Dianne, I don't think all families used the naming procedures, but sometimes you can see a pattern develop. Then the naming patterns would be useful. I was looking at a transcription of the court record for Daniel Gudgel's will, and I noticed he was named Daniel A. Gudgel. I wonder what the 'A' stood for. Anyone know? Does anyone have a photo copy of his will? Also, remember the 'A's that Andrew used to sign his name with? We thought it was his mark. Could it have been his middle initial? Vivian From: "bobeskimo" To: "Randy" Subject: Re: Towers & Gudgel Cattle Co. Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:51:32 -0700 Hi Randy... The Gudgel cattle company rings a bell, especially in association with Montana. This might possibly be related to the Herford cattle I've heard about. I am also forwarding this to the Gudgel mail list that can be found from www.gudgel.org Anybody have more information for Randy? David, maybe? Bob Gudgel Everett, WA I will forward any info to you, Randy, from the Gudgel list if I hear anything. (Remove the ---- in front of Randy's email address to email him.) ----rtowers@kscsacramento.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Towers & Gudgel Cattle Co. Hi: I found some online references to your email when I was trying to find some information on my Gr. Grandfather Towers who is said to have had cattle interests in Texas, Colorado and Montana. I am following John and W.A. Towers. Any direction you could provide would be appreciated. Sincerely, Randall Towers, Sacramento, CA ----rtowers@kscsacramento.com From dianeh@corecom.net Wed Jun 12 21:03:32 2002 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:06:20 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: bobeskimo CC: Randy , gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Towers & Gudgel Cattle Co. Cousins, To answer the question on the Hereford cattle and our ancestor's involvement, I'll repeat here what should be on the Gudgel web site. In case it isn't, this information came from the Jackson Country History (MO?) Journal, Fall, 1969 p.10-11 (please note how it differs from the second reference; maybe someone can explain the inconsistencies?): James R Gudgell, native of Bath Co, KY, and his brother, Charles, had an older man, Thomas Simpson, who acted as their guardian when their father died. They were all three associated in business in Missouri in the operation of a farm near Greenwood. The three brought Herefords to the area from imports from Canada in 1870s and had a public sale of them in 1879. That was the first sale of purebred Herefords west of the Miss. In 1880 the three men formed a formal partnership that became an important name in the cattle business. in 1883 they moved their headquarters to Independence, MO. In 1909 the Gudgells left the farm and moved their cattle to Edmund, KS. >From the Encyclopedia of the History of MO, V. III, edited by H. Corned: James Robins Gudgell, b. 1849, Bath Co, KY, died 1897 in Independence, MO. His parents were Joseph and Louise (Groves) Gudgell (both of KY). James was educated in Ky, VI, and Germany. He entered the banking business upon his return from Germany, in Kansas City, MO. He was educated in all branches of the sciences. He later entered into the cattle business in CO with his brother, Charles, and John Towers and D.A. Smart. They had a large ranch(s) in CO, the Pan Handle ranch in TX and the "Ox' in MT. James went abroad to purchase the famous Pole Angus cattle and imported the first herds of Hereford cattle. James was a Democrat, a Baptist, and a Mason in CO. He married in 1887, Lettie L. Rochester, dau of Col. Rochester of KY. Apparently he did not have any children. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: bobringo@ncal.verio.com LMTP error after end of data: 452 4.2.2 Over quota: retry timeout exceeded Wow, there is a lot of good information in that message Vivian. I wonder how long this naming pattern held true? And did it hold for all religions in the 1700s? Thanks, Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Hello, > I found this today and thought some others may find it interesting. > Vivian Gudgell > > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:10:42 -0500 > From: "Jack Hoke" > To: > Message-Id: <199710220256.TAA12974@bl-4.rootsweb.com> > Subject: PA GERMAN NAMES > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hello All, > while I'm having a blitz, I might just as well get this off my > chest. > 18th Century Pennsylvania German Naming Customs. > Many modern researchers mistakenly attempt to gather and record > data on > individuals living in the 1700's, using our 20th century naming > customs and > rules. Many also attempt to 'translate' the seemingly ponderous and > often > almost identical names of a family group into their modern English > equivalents. On learning that Johann=John, and Johannes=Hans=Jack, > they > immediately record them as cutsey 'Johnnies', and omit any 2nd > christian > name or initial. > WRONG! Bad move! Especially with 'John', and a major stumbling block > in > research, as many already had this done as they stepped off the Ship > in PA. > Rule 1: Record the Full Germanic Baptismal Name, and record any aka > or > 'family' name. > Johann Frederich Hock/Hoke was NOT John F. Hoke, he was Frederich > Hoke. > Peter Heinrich Hock/Hoke was NOT Peter H. Hoke, he was Heinrich (or > more > likely Henny) Hoke. > Maria Clara Hock/Hoke was NOT Mary C. Hoke, she was Clara Hoke. > Anna Maria Smyser Hock/Hoke was NOT Anna M. Hoke, she was Maria > Hoke, and > her mothers Surname was Smyser. > > Why? Because they used their 17th Century Germanic Naming Rules! > Their > Christian naming system was 1.Saint 2. Secular 3.Maternal. The Saint > was > dropped after Baptism, and from then on, to the 'Secular' World and > their > Secular Records (!) they were known by their Secular or Middle name. > Family > would have used a 'diminutive' or nick-name from this Secular name. > > 1. At baptism, if two given names were given to the child :- > (a) The 1st. given name was the child's SPIRITUAL, or 'Saint's' > name, > originally developed from Roman Catholic tradition and continued by > the > Protestants in their baptismal naming customs. > (b) The 2nd. given name was the SECULAR or 'call' name, which is > the name > the person was known by, both within the family and to this rest of > the > world. > (c) If a 3rd name was given, this was usually to record their > Maternal > lineage or maternal distinction. > The SPIRITUAL name, usually to honor a favorite saint, was usually > repeatedly given to ALL the children of that family of the same sex. > In a > family that preferred the Saints names of Johann and Maria:- > ALL the boys would be Johan Adam, Johan George, Johan Peter, Johan > Jacob, > etc., and ALL the girls would be named Maria Barbara, Maria > Margaretta, > Maria Elizabeth, Maria Catherine, etc. > But after baptism, these people would NOT be known by the SPIRITUAL > name of > Johan, Philip, Anna, or Maria, etc., but by their SECULAR name, > that we > would think of now as their middle name. > Thus the above examples would be known respectively as Adam, George, > Peter, > Jacob, Barbara, Margaretta, Elizabeth, and Catherine in all LEGAL > and thus > SECULAR records. > Many 19th. & 20th. Century researchers, fall into the trap of > translating > the seemingly ponderous German names of their 17th. & 18th. Century > subjects to their simpler modern English equivalents, and translate > the > wrong one! > This translation of the full Germanic Baptismal Name is in itself a > mistake > for later accurate recognition of an individual. > > Johan or John is the most common example of this, as the saint's > name Johan > or John in particular was heavily used by many German families for > their > male offspring. Thus Johan Adam is often translated by researchers > to John, > and the Adam omitted in records. > But the child's secular name was John, IF and ONLY IF, at baptism he > was > named ONLY John, usually Johannes, with NO second given name. > Consequently, many researchers new to German names, on finding a > baptism > record of a Johan Adam, mistakenly spend a lot of time looking for a > 'John' > in legal and census records, when in fact after baptism, he was > known to > the secular world, by his secular name of Adam. > Similarly, on reading county histories, etc., especially those > written by > individuals in the 20th century, you may find that the author refers > to a > 'John', and while you are really looking for a 'George' the history > sounds > familiar. Further research may very well turn up that this person > was > really not a 'John', but Johan George. Thus all his 18th century > records > are recorded under the name George, not John, and after checking the > data > and related facts you may find this is really a story about your > missing > George. > > 2. The term "Senior" and "Junior" following a name did not > necessarily > imply a father and son relationship, as it does now. > It could have been an uncle and nephew who had the same name and > lived near > each other. It could be a grandfather and a > grandchild living together, where the father has died. It could > even be > two unrelated individuals with the same name but of > different ages who lived near each other. So to help friends and > business > associates keep track of who-was-who in their > discussions and records, they added on the "Sr." or "Jr." which > merely > meant the older and the younger, respectively. > > 3. The term cousin was widely used to mean an extended family, not > the > specific legal definition we understand it to be today. > > 4. It was a common practice in some German families to name the > first > born son after the child's paternal grandfather and the second born > son > after the maternal grandfather. Here are several more detailed > naming > patterns practiced by some families. > > Pattern A :- > 1st son after the father's father 1st daughter after the mother's > mother > 2nd son after the mother's father 2nd daughter after the father's > mother > 3rd son after the father 3rd daughter after the mother > 4th son after the father's father's father 4th daughter after the > father's > father's mother > 5th son after the mother's father's father 5th daughter after the > mother's > father's mother > 6th son after the father's mother's father 6th daughter after the > father's > mother's mother > 7th son after the mother's mother's father 7th daughter after the > mother's > mother's mother > > Pattern B :- > The pattern B for the sons is the same as the above, but this > pattern for > daughters was different > 1st son after the father's father 1st daughter after the father's > mother > 2nd son after the mother's father 2nd daughter after the mother's > mother > 3rd son after the father 3rd daughter after the mother > 4th son after the father's father's father 4th daughter after the > mother's > father's mother > 5th son after the mother's father's father 5th daughter after the > father's > father's mother > 6th son after the father's mother's father 6th daughter after the > father's > mother's mother > 7th son after the mother's mother's father 7th daughter after the > mother's > mother's mother > > Pattern C :- > 1st son after the Paternal Grandpa (father's father) 1st daughter > after > the Paternal Grandma (father's mother) > 2nd son after the Maternal Grandpa (mother's father) 2nd daughter > after > the Maternal Grandma (mother's mother) > 3rd son after the father's oldest brother 3rd daughter after the > mother's > oldest sister > 4th son after the father 4th daughter after the mother > > Whenever a duplicate name occurred in these patterns, the next name > in the > series was used. If a child died in infancy the name was often > reused for > the next child of the same gender. > > If you are lucky enough to find a family with a lot of children, who > strictly followed one of these naming patterns, > then it may give you useful clues to determining the possible names > of > family members in earlier generations. > > 5. An "in" or "en", added to the end of a name, such as Hockin and > Hocken, are Germanic language name suffixes > denoting an unmarried female or male respectively. Thus the correct > spelling of the last name in the example would be 'Miss' Hock not > Miss > Hockin, and Master Hock not Master Hocken. > > I hope that the above information will be of assistance to > individuals > researching 18th Century Pennsylvania-German names > and records. > > For additional information on "German-American Names" consult the > book by > that name written by Professor George F. Jones published by the > Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD. > > For additional information on German names, consult the 1967 book > written > by Hans Bahlow. The English version titled "Dictionary of German > Names" was > translated by Edda Gentry. It was published in 1993 by the Max Kade > Institute for German-American Studies, University of > Wisconsin-Madison, > Madison WI. > > J.H. Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:07:39 -0700 bobringo@ncal.verio.com LMTP error after end of data: 452 4.2.2 Over quota: retry timeout exceeded Dianne, I don't think all families used the naming procedures, but sometimes you can see a pattern develop. Then the naming patterns would be useful. I was looking at a transcription of the court record for Daniel Gudgel's will, and I noticed he was named Daniel A. Gudgel. I wonder what the 'A' stood for. Anyone know? Does anyone have a photo copy of his will? Also, remember the 'A's that Andrew used to sign his name with? We thought it was his mark. Could it have been his middle initial? Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Holmes" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Cc: "Gudgel-list" Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: German names : Wow, there is a lot of good information in that message Vivian. I wonder : how long this naming pattern held true? And did it hold for all : religions in the 1700s? : : Thanks, : Dianne Gudgel-Holmes : : Vivian Gudgell wrote: : : > Hello, : > I found this today and thought some others may find it interesting. : > Vivian Gudgell : > : > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:10:42 -0500 : > From: "Jack Hoke" : > To: : > Message-Id: <199710220256.TAA12974@bl-4.rootsweb.com> : > Subject: PA GERMAN NAMES.............................. From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:39:39 EDT Subject: Re: German names To: V.Gudgell@verizon.net, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com In regard to the way they name their children, a fellow here in Indianapolis said that it depended upon the the different belief they have but as Vivian said, you can see a patteren. Dutch used last names of the mother's side for the children and I'm glad. It helps us when we are trying to put together. Pat Agnew From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:50:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RootsWeb: California Birth and Death Records Some of our cousins have expressed about this issue in the past. I obtained information about this website from RootsWeb. Ardath Potts From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Fw: Godshalk Comes descendents Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:57:55 -0700 : Hello cousins, : Here is an article that is well worth reading. Notice how the names : change as the people move from one location to another or marry into : a family estate. : : Thonis KUNDERS is the grandson of Godshalk COMES, the first : generation of the Jacob GODSHALK, Bishop ancestry. I have been : researching the idea that our Frederick could be a cousin of Jacob. : I was looking for an ancestor named 'Agnes' who could be the : ancestor of Frederick's first daughter, Maria Agnes, using the : German naming custom. Thonis KUNDER's wife's mother was named : Agnes. Thonis KUNDERS Is a first cousin of Jacob GODSHALK. : http://www.geocities.com/kcunard73/ : : To navigate this site: : click on minimum graphics : Table of contents: click on CUNARDS : At the top of the pictures-click on CUNARDS ARRIVE IN AMERICA : Click on STORY OF THONIS KUNDERS ANCESTORS IN GERMANY : : or use this URL to go directly to the STORY OF THONIS KUNDERS : ANCESTORS IN GERMANY. It is quicker, but you will miss some other : interesting pages on the site. : : http://www.angelfire.com/pa/maryedith/kundersarticle.html : : Happy hunting : Vivian : : Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:02:48 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: Fw: Godshalk Comes descendents Thanks for thinking this through, Vivian. It takes this kind of detailed work to get accurate results. BTY, I haven't heard much from the south Pacific lately. Something wrong? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Vivian Gudgell wrote: > : Hello cousins, > : Here is an article that is well worth reading. Notice how the Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:57:49 -0700 Subject: GUDGEL(L) GATHERING - Gibson Co., Indiana From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Here is an article that was included in the Gudgel Family Connections Newsletter, July 2002 Issue. I know some of you are not currently subscribers but this is something that we need to share with our entire family. Are You Interested? A Gudgel Gathering (Reunion) is being planned in Gibson Co., Indiana on October 4-6, 2002 (Friday - Sunday). It is an opportunity for descendants of Andrew Gudgel, Sr. to … Visit the Gudgel Farm Cemetery … Hear stories of this pioneering community … Meet your cousins … Exchange information … etc. Are you interested? If you think you may join us, please let us know by Friday, July 19 if possible. You may write to the Gudgel e-mail address: (gudgel-list@eskimo.com) or to me, Juanita Gudgel Diorio: ( jdiorio@voyager.net.) I'll look forward to hearing from you! Please contact Juanita GUDGEL DIORIO, As Soon As Possible if you are interested in attending. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:20:10 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Wm. E Gudgel" Subject: Re: GUDGEL(L) GATHERING - Gibson Co., Indiana Thanks for arranging the reunion at the 'old place.' It might just work out for me to attend, won't know for awhile though. Any idea about the availability of places to stay nearby? It would be nice to stay close to each other if not at the same place--hopefully an inexpensive place. Has anyone set out an 'agenda' for the days we'll be there? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage From: Bob Gudgel Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: GUDGEL(L) GATHERING - Gibson Co., Indiana Be aware that anyone posting to gudgel-list@eskimo.com must be subscribed first in order for the email to pass to all of the recipients on the list. I say this because the note said to email Juanita (jdiorio@voyager.net) or gudgel-list@eskimo.com and some may not be subscribers. It's a good thing that the subscription has to happen first becasue otherwise we'd be overrun by spam ! In any case, I would hope that someone takes lots of pictures and sends me some in case I cannot attend. I would LOVE to though~ Thanks, boB Gudgel Everett, WA From: "Ralph Johnson" Subject: Reunion in Chowchilla Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:00:39 -0700 I got an letter from Bonnie Thiel dau of Lloyd Gudgel who informed me there is a Gudgel reunion Aug. 3 in Chowchilla . It will be at Marion and Jaquetta Gudgel 23840 Rd 16 Chowchilla. Food will be supplied but a love offering will be taken. Lots of room and swimming pool. This is a great reunion. Be there! You can call Bonnie at 559 665 4002 Doyal Gudgel Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:13:45 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Reunion in Chowchilla Correction: Marion and Jaquetta's last name is Harris, but Marion's mother was a Gudgel. Chowchilla is in California near Fresno. That is where one OK branch of the family moved to in 1930 during the Dust Bowl. And generations of Gudgels remain near Chowchilla today. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Ralph Johnson wrote: > I got an letter from Bonnie Thiel dau of Lloyd Gudgel who informed me there > is a Gudgel reunion Aug. 3 in Chowchilla . It will be at Marion and > Jaquetta Gudgel 23840 Rd 16 Chowchilla. Food will be supplied but a love > offering will be taken. Lots of room and swimming pool. This is a great > reunion. Be there! > You can call Bonnie at 559 665 4002 > > Doyal Gudgel From: "Ralph Johnson" Subject: New forum for seniors Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:41:23 -0700 Hi everyone: From Doyal Gudgel Finally a free forum for seniors. All kinds of good stuff. Sell antiques, meet other seniors, Where to get medicine at huge discounts, rants, raves, avoiding senior rip offs, computer help, health tips. Check it out. http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/forumforseniors.html The discounted medicine is great for someone paying a couple hundred a month for a prescription. Of course anyone can subscribe and take advantage of the Canadian supplier. If anyone sees something in the list of services they would like to check into please sign up with Forum for seniors and ask your questions there. This is absolutely new and I don't have any subscribers yet as this is the first time I have actually put out the offer to anyone other than a few people. From: "Ralph Johnson" Subject: I am on it Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:44:40 -0700 BTW I am on the list of course so if you subscribe I get the message. Doyal Gudgel Finally a free forum for seniors. All kinds of good stuff. Sell antiques, meet other seniors, Where to get medicine at huge discounts, rants, raves, avoiding senior rip offs, computer help, health tips. Check it out. http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/forumforseniors.html From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:25:58 EDT Subject: Reunion in Gibson Co. I would like to be put on the list to attend in October. Pat Agnew - Mercury430@aol.com Next if a Nancy Waller reads this, I would very much like for her to get in touch with me and since I get a lot of junk that I delete, please title GUDGEL. I think we might have the same people we are looking for. Pat Agnew Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 01:04:13 -0400 From: gudgeldoc@cs.com To: Mercury430@aol.com, Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Reunion in Gibson Co. I would like tobe notified of the reunion in October also. Larry Gudgel Mercury430@aol.com wrote: > > >I would like to be put on the list to attend in October. >Pat Agnew - Mercury430@aol.com > > >Next if a Nancy Waller reads this, I would very much like for her to get in >touch with me and since I get a lot of junk that I delete, please title >GUDGEL.  I think we might have the same people we are looking for.    Pat >Agnew > From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:42:09 EDT Subject: Gibson Co. Reunion I don't know if my note got through as it is back on my screen. I would like to be put on the list to attend. Pat Agnew From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 7 04:55:57 2002 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA26543 for bgudgel@eskimo.com; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 04:55:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 04:55:56 -0700 X-Envelope-From: tmontigny@earthlink.net Sun Jul 7 04:55:55 2002 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26519 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 04:55:54 -0700 Received: from sdn-ap-008ilchicp0351.dialsprint.net ([63.189.73.97] helo=earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17RAdt-0001MW-00 for gudgel-list@eskimo.com; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 07:55:54 -0400 Message-ID: <412002707115847240@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 Reply-To: tmontigny@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.7.9 (Windows) From: "Terri Montigny" To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Gudgel reunion Old-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 7:58:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: gudgel-list

Hi - Dianne Gudgel-Holmes just forwarded me your email regarding the Gudgel Reunion in IN.  My mother Maxine Gudgel Stout, Aunt, Helen Gudgel Sites and myself, Terri Montigny would be interested in attending.  Our ansester, Daniel Gudgel lived in that area with Andrew.
 
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From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: America Gudgel/l Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:54:45 -0700 Cousins, I answered a request for information on the Gudgel Genforum July 3rd. Below is the answer I received and following is my answer back to Jack Withers. There is some information about America's husband that may be new to some of you. Look it over. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:58 AM Subject: Gudgell, America : Hi, : : Would appreciate your information. : The only thing I have is that she (America) was born 1845 Graham, township, jefferson : co, in, buried zion cem, jennings co, in. : married Thompson Childs B 11/30/1840 Jefferson Co, In, died 12/26/1901 : Jennings co, In, Buried zion cem, jennings co, in. : Thompson Childs Father John S. Meek/Childs, he changed his name from Meek to : Childs for some unknown reason.(one of my main lines is Meek) : Thanks, : Jack m Withers : jwrenobum@aol.com Jack, My information is from Nancy Teal Miller and other Gudgel family members, and the 1860 census. I am sorry I don't have the twp, Co. or State of the census noted. Thanks for the information on her Husband. I didn't have that. (Since I sent this to him I looked up the census images, and it was Graham Twp, Jefferson Co. Indiana....vg) Vivian Gudgell America GUDGEL/L parents are John GUDGEL/L, Jr. b. 1816 d. after 1880 and Mary GREEN b. abt 1818 d. after 1880. Married 5 Nov. 1840. (John GUDGEL/L, Jr. is the son of John GUDGEL/L, Sr.b. 1776 d. 25 Nov. 1851 and Jean HARBISON b. abt. 1762 Va.. John GUDGEL/L Sr. is son of Andrew GUDGEL/L Sr. b.abt. 1727 d. 16 Oct.1815, son of Fredrick GODTCHALK/GUDGEL/L etc..Immg.) Many variations of the name GUDGEL. Children of John GUDGEL/L and Mary GREEN : 1.Shelby Grafton b. 27 Oct 1841 Indiana, d. 3 Nov. 1990, m, Melissa Jane EARHART on 04 JAN 1866 Jefferson Co. Indiana. Source: Connie Philips,descendent . 2. America b. 1845 Spencer Twp. Jennings Co. Indiana 3. Emaretta b. 1847 Indiana 4. Jane b. 1851 Indiana 5.Charles H. b. 1853, Graham Twp. Jefferson Co. Indiana. He appeared on the 1880 Census for Seymour, Jackson co. as a grocer. Source: Nancy Teal Miller, descendent. 6. Emily b. 1855 Indiana 7. Mary b. 1857 Indiana Theresa "Risa" b. 1859 Indiana Note: Birth dates were calculated from the ages quoted on the census. They may not be exact. Vivian From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: America GUDGEL Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:21:27 -0400 Thanks for the information of America GUDGEL. I also saw this query on = Gen Forum and glad now that I hadn't responded. I have conflicting = info.: America L. GUDGEL, b. 1845 Indiana, d/o John GUDGEL and Mary GREEN- I had her married to William MOTE January 16, 1868 Jennings Co., IN. So = who is this? Had 2 other America GUDGEL's also: America L. GUDGEL, b. 1825, Indiana, d/o John GUDGEL and Jean HARBISON, = married 1844 Jefferson Co., IN to Daniel Green WHITSETT. America GUDGEL, b. 1840, d/o David GUDGEL and Elmira FITCH. no other = data. No wonder we get so confused sometimes! Can anyone help? I heard from Alan Weiss, Louisville, KY yesterday. Left a message on my = recorder- said he had found a great grandson of Henry GUDGELL, the black = slave from Livingston Co., MO. The one I told you about the famous = walking stick he had hand carved. Will let you know more when I have = talked to him. Hope everyone had a good Fourth of July holiday. =20 Linda from Kentucky- Dry, hot and humid. From: "nancy miller" To: "Vivian Gudgell" , Cc: Subject: Re: America Gudgel/l Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:02:45 -0700 Vivian, I may have contributed some information on this family, but I am not a descendent. (My descent is in Gibson County, IN). I believe that I found the family in the 1880 census and added the occupations of a couple of them. Also, I have 10 children for the family of John Gudgel and Mary Green. The 4th child I have listed is a Sarah A., born about 1849, who showed up on the 1850 census, but not on the 1860 (according to Vivian in my notes!). That makes Mary the 8th child and Theresa "Rissa" the 9th, and in 1861 we have the 10th child, James. Emma (Emily), Rissa and James are living with their mother in 1880 and she is a widow, so John GUDGEL apparently died before 1880, not after. With the marriage information for America, I was able to find her and Thompson in Vernon, Jennings, IN in 1880 with their 4 children: John, 11 Almira 9 Dora 3 Charles 1 Nancy Teel Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Gudgel-list" Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: Re: America Gudgel/l > Cousins, > I answered a request for information on the Gudgel Genforum July > 3rd. Below is the answer I received and following is my answer back > to Jack Withers. > There is some information about America's husband that may be new to > some of you. Look it over. > Vivian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:58 AM > Subject: Gudgell, America > > : Hi, > : > : Would appreciate your information. > : The only thing I have is that she (America) was born 1845 Graham, > township, > jefferson > : co, in, buried zion cem, jennings co, in. > : married Thompson Childs B 11/30/1840 Jefferson Co, In, died > 12/26/1901 > : Jennings co, In, Buried zion cem, jennings co, in. > : Thompson Childs Father John S. Meek/Childs, he changed his name > from Meek to > : Childs for some unknown reason.(one of my main lines is Meek) > : Thanks, > : Jack m Withers > : jwrenobum@aol.com > > Jack, > My information is from Nancy Teal Miller and other Gudgel family > members, and the 1860 census. I am sorry I don't have the twp, Co. > or State of the census noted. Thanks for the information on her > Husband. I didn't have that. (Since I sent this to him I looked up > the census images, and it was Graham Twp, Jefferson Co. > Indiana....vg) > Vivian Gudgell > > America GUDGEL/L parents are John GUDGEL/L, Jr. b. 1816 d. after > 1880 and Mary GREEN b. abt 1818 d. after 1880. Married 5 Nov. 1840. > > (John GUDGEL/L, Jr. is the son of John GUDGEL/L, Sr.b. 1776 d. 25 > Nov. 1851 and Jean HARBISON b. abt. 1762 Va.. John GUDGEL/L Sr. is > son of Andrew GUDGEL/L Sr. b.abt. 1727 d. 16 Oct.1815, son of > Fredrick GODTCHALK/GUDGEL/L etc..Immg.) Many variations of the name > GUDGEL. > > Children of John GUDGEL/L and Mary GREEN : > 1.Shelby Grafton b. 27 Oct 1841 Indiana, d. 3 Nov. 1990, m, Melissa > Jane EARHART on 04 JAN 1866 Jefferson Co. Indiana. Source: Connie > Philips,descendent . > 2. America b. 1845 Spencer Twp. Jennings Co. Indiana > 3. Emaretta b. 1847 Indiana > 4. Jane b. 1851 Indiana > 5.Charles H. b. 1853, Graham Twp. Jefferson Co. Indiana. He appeared > on the 1880 Census for Seymour, Jackson co. as a grocer. Source: > Nancy Teal Miller, descendent. > 6. Emily b. 1855 Indiana > 7. Mary b. 1857 Indiana Theresa "Risa" b. 1859 Indiana > > Note: Birth dates were calculated from the ages quoted on the > census. They may not be exact. > > Vivian > > From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:59:35 -0500 (CDT) To: lfinnell@infi.net (Linda Gudgel Finnell), gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: America GUDGEL John Gudgel and Jane Harbison named a daughter America. She then married Daniel Whitsett. One of their sons, John, married Mary Green , and they named a daughter, America. Another son, David, married Elmira Fitch, and they named a daughter , America. Another son, Preston, married America Blake, creating, of course, a fourth America Gudgel in this family. To the best of my knowledge, they did NOT name a daughter , America. I have no further information about the marriages of the 'America' granddaughters of John and Jane. I hope this helps the confusion. Ardath Potts From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: America GUDGEL Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:21:27 -0400 Thanks for the information of America GUDGEL. I also saw this query on = Gen Forum and glad now that I hadn't responded. I have conflicting = info.: America L. GUDGEL, b. 1845 Indiana, d/o John GUDGEL and Mary GREEN- I had her married to William MOTE January 16, 1868 Jennings Co., IN. So = who is this? Had 2 other America GUDGEL's also: America L. GUDGEL, b. 1825, Indiana, d/o John GUDGEL and Jean HARBISON, = married 1844 Jefferson Co., IN to Daniel Green WHITSETT. America GUDGEL, b. 1840, d/o David GUDGEL and Elmira FITCH. no other = data. No wonder we get so confused sometimes! Can anyone help? I heard from Alan Weiss, Louisville, KY yesterday. Left a message on my = recorder- said he had found a great grandson of Henry GUDGELL, the black = slave from Livingston Co., MO. The one I told you about the famous = walking stick he had hand carved. Will let you know more when I have = talked to him. Hope everyone had a good Fourth of July holiday. =20 Linda from Kentucky- Dry, hot and humid. From: "Burton" Subject: gugel-driskell Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:11:59 -0400 Would like to know the children and birthdates of Jacob and Drucilla = Driskell Gudgel. Also does anyone have Jacobs birthdate? Dotti = Driscoll Burton From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Burton" Subject: Re: gugel-driskell Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:00:24 -0700 Dotti, I am not from the Jacob line, but since none of them have answered your = request, I will give you what I have. I don't have any exact date of = birth for Jacob or Drucilla. Jacob Gudgel b. abt 1775 d. 1830-1840 Married Drucilla Driskell on 26 = July 1791 woodford Co. Ky. (Source: Linda Finnell has copy of Marriage = bond) Children of Jacob and Drucilla: 1. John Franklin married Cynthia Ann Baldwin 24 Dec. 1818, Franklin Co. = KY. 2. Jacob married Elizabeth Arbuckle 20 Dec. 1814, Franklin Co. KY. 3. Andrew married Elizabeth Mountjoy on 15 Dec. 1817 Franklin Co. KY. 4. Elijah b. 9 Sep. 1797, d. 17 Mar. 1866 married Lydia Bell 5 May 1819 = Mercer Co. KY. 5. Joel married Eleanor Butts 1829, Had a son James. Married wife #2 = Elizabeth Brown on 26 Jan. 1837, had son Daniel. 6. Narissa married Jefferson or Robinson Bryan 14 Apr. 1842, Livingston = Co. MO. I do not have verification on any of this, so use it with caution. Maybe other Gudgel-list members can help out more. Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Burton=20 To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: gugel-driskell Would like to know the children and birthdates of Jacob and Drucilla = Driskell Gudgel. Also does anyone have Jacobs birthdate? Dotti = Driscoll Burton From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Document-Will / Montgomery Co., KY Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:44:09 -0400 I found this 1825 Will for Sarah Allison on an internet site and it is = attested by Andrew GUDGEL and Joseph GUDGEL. Does anyone know if Sarah = was related to the GUDGEL's? Montgomery Co., KY is a bordering county = of Bath Co., KY. Linda Montgomery County KY - Will Book E In the name of the Lord Amen. I, Sarah Allison of Kentucky County of = Montgomery Bath being=20 perfectly sound in mind but in rather a bad state of health do make and = ordain this my last Will=20 and testament in manner and form following my just debts being first = paid. First I will and=20 bequeath to my brother, James Allison two hundred Dollars of my Estate, = then the balance of my=20 estate both real and personal to be equally divided between the children = of my Brother James=20 Allison, now existing to wit to Jane Frakes formerly Jane Allsion, I do = will and bequeath an equal=20 share of the balance of my estate likewise Sally Allison Daughter of the = above James Allison I do=20 will and bequeath an equal share likewise Polly Howard formerly Polly = Allison, James Allison Jun=20 Son of my brother James Allison, William and Benjamin and Milton = Allison, Eliza and Amanda=20 Allison, being all the Sons and Daughters of my Brother James Allison = above named to each of them=20 so named I do will and bequeath an equal share of my estate, and if the = shares when estimated=20 should amount to more than one hundred dollars each, the ------ I do = will and bequeath to the=20 before named Benjamin Allison and do hereby name and appoint James = Allison Junior as my legal and lawful Executer to this my last Will and testament and I do declare this = to be my last will and=20 testament and all or any other will or wills by me so made to be utterly = void and of none effect,=20 Executed in the house of Joseph Howard in the State and County aforesaid = this Eighteenth day of=20 April 1825.=20 Sarah Allison - her mark Attest Andrew Gudgel Joseph W. Gudgel State of Kentucky Montgomery County Set May Court 1837 A writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Sarah Allison = Decd was this day produced=20 in open court and proven by the oath of Joseph Gudgell to be her act and = deed. And also proved=20 the signature of Andrew Gudgell another witness thereto identified which = was examined by the=20 court, approved and ordered to be recorded which is done accordingly. Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 06:46:01 -0700 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Andrew GUDGEL Some Pennsylvanians in 1772: Settlers in Fayette, Greene, = Washington, and Westmoreland Counties From James Veach's The Monongahela of Old or Historical = Sketches of Southwestern Pennsylvania to the Year 1800 (Pittsburgh, 1910 = edition) In 1772, and until Westmoreland County was established in = 1773, Bedford County encompassed all of southwestern Pennsylvania. All of present Fayette County -- east of a straight line = from the mouth of Redstone to the mouth of Jacob's Creek -- consisted of = two townships, Springhill and Tyrone. Here, the division line was = Redstone Creek, from its mouth to where it was crossed by Burd's Road, = and from Burd's Road to Gist's, then Braddock's Road to the Great = Crossing. That part of Fayette County, northwest of Redstone to the = mouth of Jacob's Creek, was a part of Rostraver Township. The counties of Greene and Washington, west of Fayette, were = evidently included in Springhill. SPRINGHILL TOWNSHIP John Allen, William Allen, John = Armstrong, Edward Askins, John Artman, Ichabod Ashcraft, John Ally, John = Allison, Samuel Adams, Robert Adams, George Boydston, Peter Backus, = Brazil Brown, James Brown, Dunlap's Creek; Thomas Brown, Ten Mile Creek; = Joseph Brown, Samuel Brown, Adam Brown, Maunus Brown, Thomas Brown, John = Brown, Walter Brisco, Peter Baker, Nicholas Baker, James Burdin, John = Burris, Robert Brownfield, Edward Brownfield, Empson Brownfield, Charles = Brownfield, Jeremiah Beek, Charles Burkham, Henry Beeson, Jacob Beeson, = Alexander Buchanan, James Black, John Barkley, Nicholas Bauk, Thomas = Banfield, Thomas Batton, William Brashears, Joseph Barker, Lewis Brimet, = James Branton, Henry Brenton, John Braddock, Michael Carn, George Craft, = William Case, Adam Cumbert, John Craig, Joseph Caldwell, James Crooks, = William Campbell, John Carr, John Carr, Jr.; Moses Carr, William = Cochran, George Conn, Nicholas Crowshoe, Anthony Coshaw, William = Crawford, Capt.; William Crawford, Quaker; William Crawford, Josias = Crawford, Oliver Crawford, Richard Chinner, Peter Cleam, Jacob Cleam, = John Casteel, George Church, Michael Cox, Joseph Cox, Michael Catt, = Abraham Cills, Anthony Cills, William Conwell, Jehu Conwell, Michael = Cresap, William Colvin, George Colvin, Peter Drago, John Drago, Samuel = Douglass, Jeremiah Downs, Augustus Dillener, Edward Death, John Death, = Owen David, Jesse Dument, William Downard, Jacob Downard, Henry Debolt, = George Debolt, Henry Dever, Lewis Davison, Andrew Davison, William = Davison, William Dawson, Jacob Dicks, Lewis Deem, Henry Enoch, John = Evans, Richard Evans, Hugh Evans, Edward Elliott, Michael Franks, Jacob = Franks, James Fleeharty, John Fisher, James Frame, Nathan Friggs, Henry = Friggs, Hugh Ferry, James Flannegan, David Flowers, Thomas Flowers, = Thomas Gaddis, Samuel Glasby, William Garrat, John Garrard, John = Garrard, Jr., William Goodwin, Joseph Goodwin, Thomas Gooden, John = Glasgo, Fred'k Garrison, Leonard Garrison, Jacob Grow, Zachariah Gobean, = John Griffith, Hugh Gilmore, Robert Gilmore, Thomas Gregg, Charles = Gause, Daniel Goble, Nicholas Gilbert, Andrew Gudgel, Henry Hart, David = Hartfield, Jr., John Hendricks, Henry Hall, John Hall, Adam Henthorn, = James Henthorn, Jas. Henthorn (the less.), John Henthorn, Charles = Hickman, Aaron Hackney, Martin Hardin, Benjamin Hardin, William Hardin, = John Hardin, Jr., John Harman, Geo. Huckleberry, John Huffman, John = Harrison, David Hawkins, James Herod, William Herod, Levi Herod, Henson = Hobbs, Samuel Howard, William House, Philemon Hughes, Thomas. Hughes = (Muddy Creek), Thomas Hughes, Owen Hughes, John Huston, Hugh Jackson, = David Jennings, Aaron Jenkins, Jonathan Jones, John Jones, Thomas Lane, = Absalom Little, Samuel Lucas, Thomas Lucas, Richard Lucas, Hugh = Laughlin, David Long, John Long, John Long, Jr., Jacob Link Aaron Moore, Joh Moore, Jno. Moore (over the river), Simon = Moore, Hans Moore, David Morgan, Charles Morgan, William Masters, John = Masterson, Henry Myers, George Myers, Ulrick Myers, Martin Mason, John = Mason, Alexander Miller, John Messmore, John Mene, Daniel Moredock, = James Moredock, Adam Mannon, John Mannon, John Marr, William M'Dowell, = John M'Farland, Francis M'Ginness, Nathaniel M'Carty, Samuel M'Cray, = James M'Coy, Hugh M'Cleary, Tunis Newkirk, Barnet Newkirk, Peter = Newkirk, James Neal, George Newell, James Notts, James Notts, Jr., = Charles Nelson, Adam Newton, Bernard O'Neal, Jacob Poundstone, Frederick = Parker, Phillip Pearce, Theophilus Phillips, Thomas Phillips, Adam = Penter, Ricahrd Parr, Henry Peters, John Peters, Christian Pitser, = Ahimon Pollock, John Pollock, Samuel Paine, John Wm. Provance, Ieronemus = Rimley, Casper Rather, Telah Rood, Jesse Rood, Daniel Robbins, John = Robbins, Roger Roberts, Jacob Riffle, Ralph Riffle, William Rail, David = Rogers, Thomas Roch, Edwdard Roland, William Rees, Jonathan Rees, Jacob = Rich, Thomas Scott, Edward Scott, Andrew Scott, James Scott, John Smith = (Dunlap's Creek), John Smith, Robert Smith, James Smith, Phillip Smith, = William Smith, Conrad Seix, Isaac Sutton, Isaac Sutton, Jr., Jacob = Sutton, Lewis Saltser, Samuel Stilwell, William Spangler, John = Swearingen, William Shepperd, John Swan, John Swan, Jr., Thomas Swan, = Robert Sayre, Stephen Styles, Samuel Sampson, Joseph Starkey, David = Shelby, Elias Stone, Obadiah Truax, John Thompson, Michael Tuck, Abraham = Teagarden, George Teagarden, Edward Taylor, Michael Thomas, Henry = Vanmeter, Jacob Vanmeter, John Vantress, John Varvill, David White, = James White, George Williams, David Walters, Ephriam Walters, David = Wright, George Wilson, Esq., James Wilson, John Waits, John Watson, = George Watson, Joseph Yauger, Telah Yourk Inmates. (Boarders not heads of families.) Richard Ashcraft, = Ephriam Ashcraft, Samuel Adams, John Bachus, William Burt, John Beeson, = Samuel Bridgewater, Coleman Brown, William Brown, Benjamin Brashears, = Richard Brownfield, Benjamin Brooks, Alexander Bryan, William Bells, = Gabriel Cox, Israel Cox, Samuel Colson, Joseph Coon, Robert Cavines, = John Cross, Edward Carn, Christian Coffman, John Curley, Nathaniel Case, = John Crossley, Christopher Capley, George Catt, John Chadwick, Jonathan = Chambers, John Cline, Benajah Dunn, Zephaniah Dunn, Timothy Downing, = Jeremiah Davis, James Davis, Thomas Edwards, Bernard Eckley, James = Fugate, John Guthrey, William Groom, Captain John Hardin, William = Henthron, William Hogland, Edward Hatfield, John Hawkins, Samuel Herod, = John Hargress, Thomas Hargress, Joseph Jackson, Jacob Jacobs, John = Kinneson, Thomas Kendle, William Lee, Andrew Link, Elijah Mickle, = William Murphy, John Morgan, Morgan Morgan, Samuel Merrifield, John = Main, Jr., William Martin, John Morris, Jacob Morris, George M'Coy, John = M'Fall, Alexander M'Donald, William M'Claman, John Pettyjohn, Baltzer = Peters, Richard Powell, Thomas Pyburn, John Phillips, Thoams Provance, = Thomas Rail, Noah Rood, William Spencer, Alexander Smith, Francis = Stannater, John Taylor, William Thompson, Jonah Webb, John Williamson, = Alexander White, Benjamin Wells, Michael Whitelock, Jeremiah Yourk, = Ezekiel Yourk Single Freeman John Brown, Joseph Batton, Isher Budd, David = Blackston, Hugh Crawford, John Crawford, Francis Chain, Wiliam Cheny, = Daniel Christy, James Chamberlain, James Carmichael, James Campbell, = John Catch, John Dicker, John Douglass, Edward Dublin, Elias Eaton, = Alexander Ellener, Samuel Eckerly, Thomas Foster, Jacob Funk, Martin = Funk, Joseph Gwin, Bartlett Griffith, John Holton, Abraham Holt, John = Holt, Joshua Hudson, John Hupp, Cornelius Johnson, Josiah Little TYRONE William Marshall, James Morgan, Hugh Murphey, George = Morris, Joseph Morris, David M'Donald, Abraham M'Farland, John M'Gilty, = John Notts, Phillip Nicholas, James Peters, Isaac Pritchard, Jonathan = Paddox, Ebenezer Paddox, Noble Rall, Nathan Rhinehart, Samuel Robb, = James Robertson, Phillip Rogers, John Shively, Christopher Swoop, Ralph = Smith, John Sultzer, William Teagarden, John Taylor, John Verville, Jr., = John Williams TYRONE TOWNSHIP Jonathan Arnold, Andrew Arnold, David Allen, = Andrew Byers, Christopher Beeler, Henry Beeson, John Boggs, Thomas = Brownfield, Bernard Cunningham, Daniel Canon, Edward Conn, George Clark, = George Clark, Jr., John Cherry, James Cravin, John Clem, John Cornwall, = John Castleman, Wiliam Crawford, Esq., Valentine Crawford, William = Collins, George Dawson, Edward Doyle, Joshua Dickenson, Thomas Davis, = Robert Erwin, Thomas Freeman, James Gamble, Reason Gale, Tomas Gist, = Esq., Charles Harrison, William Harrison, Ezekiel Hickman, Henry = Hartley, James Harper, Joseph Huston, William Hanshaw, John Keith, = Andrew Linn, David Lindsay, John Laughlin, Samuel Lyon, Alexander = Moreland, Augustine Moore, Edmund Martin, Michael Martin, Hugh = Masterson, Isaac Meason, Philip Meason, Providence Mounts, William = Massey, William Miller, Robert McGlaughlin, William McKee, Robert = O'Guillon, Adam Payne, Elisha Pearce, Isaac Pearce, George Paull, Andrew = Robertson, Edmund Rice, Robert Ross, Samuel Rankin, William Rankin, = Dennis Springer, Josiah Springer, George Smith, Moses Smith, Isaac = Sparks, William Sparks, John Stephenson, John Stewart, Philip Shute, = Philip Tanner, James Torrance, Thomas Tilton, John Vance, Conrad Walker, = Henry White, William White, Joseph Wells, John Waller, Richard Waller, = Lund Washington, George Young Inmates Reding Blunt, Zechariah Connell, Peter Castner, = Smith Corbit, Francis Lovejoy, Agney Maloney, Joseph Reily, Edward = Stewart Single Freeman Robert Beall, James Berwick, George Brown, = William Castleman, John Felty, Elijah Lucas, Francis Main, James Mock, = Thomas Moore, Patrick Masterson, Alexander McClean, Daniel Stephens, = William Shepherd Uncultivated Lands George Washington, 1500 acres; John A. = Washington, 600 acres; Samuel Washington, 600 acres; Lund Washington, = 300 acres; Thomas Gist, Esq., 600 acres; Nicholas Dawson, 300 acres; = Sniveley's Administrators, Halvert Adams, Joseph Hunter, Rostraver Township Benjamin Applegate, Daniel Applegate, = William Applegate, Thomas Applegate, Alexander Bowling, Andrew Baker, = Samuel Burns, James Burns, Isham Barnett, Morris Brady, Samuel Biggon, = Samuel Beckett, Edward Cook, Andrew Dye, James Devoir, John Dogtauch, = William Dunn, Peter Elrod, Peter Easman, Paul Froman, Rev. Jas. Finley, = Samuel Glass, Samuel Grissey, John Greer, James Gragh, Christopher = Houseman, Thomas Houseman, Thomas Hind, Peter Hildebrand, Joseph Hill, = Llewellen Howell, Deverich Johnson, James Johnson, Jacob Johnson, Joseph = Jones, John Kiles, John Kilton, Andrew Linn, William Linn, Nathan Linn, = Frederick Lamb, John Miller, Oliver Miller, Abraham Miller, Alexander = Miller, Alexander Morehand, Alexander Mitchell, John Mitchell, Jesse = Martin, Morgan Morgan, Robert Mays, Daniel McGogan, James McKinley, = Robert McConnell, Ralph Nisley, Dorsey Pentecost, Benjamin Pelton, David = Price, John Perry, Samuel Perry, Joseph Pearce, John Pearce, James = Peers, Andrew Pearce, Edward Smith, Samuel Sinclair, Henry Speer, John = Shannon, Michael Springer, Richard Sparks, William Sultzman, Van = Swearingen, Wiliam Turner, Philip Tanner, Joseph Vanmeter, Jacob = Vanmeter, John Vanmeter, Peter Vandola ROSTRAVER Adam Wickenhimen, David Williams, George Weddel, = John Weddel, James Wall, Samuel Wilson, James Wilson, Isaac Wilson, John = Wiseman, Thomas Wells, James Young Inmates Benjamin Allen, Nathaniel Brown, Benajah Burkham, = John Bleasor, Samuel Clem, Thomas Cummins, Benajah Dumont, Samuel Davis, = Thomas Dobin, Hugh Dunn, Peter Hanks, Joseph Hill, Joseph Lemon, William = Moore, John McClellan, Felty McCormick, Martin Owens, Abraham Ritchey, = Peter Skinner Single Freeman William Bolling, Jesse Dumont, John Finn, = Isaac Greer, Moses Holliday, Peter Johnson, Ignatius Jones, Thomas = Miller, Jacob McMeen, Baltser Shilling, Levi Stephens, Cornelius = Thompson, Robert Turner Reprinted from American Genealogy Magazine, Vol. 5, Nos. 1 & = 2. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Document-Will / Montgomery Co., KY Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:11:27 -0700 This might be a clue......... I looked up the Andrew GUDGEL and Joseph GUDGEL on my index. I believe = the witnesses to the Sarah ALLISON will could be Andrew Jr. GUDGEL, died = 1842 and his son, Joseph GUDGEL, b. 1801 died 1864. This Joseph and his = wife, Louisa Groves, were the parents of the boys of the Gudgel Cattle = Ranch fame.=20 I don't have any ALLISONs in my database. Vivian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:44 AM Subject: Document-Will / Montgomery Co., KY I found this 1825 Will for Sarah Allison on an internet site and it is = attested by Andrew GUDGEL and Joseph GUDGEL. Does anyone know if Sarah = was related to the GUDGEL's? Montgomery Co., KY is a bordering county = of Bath Co., KY. Linda Montgomery County KY - Will Book E In the name of the Lord Amen. I, Sarah Allison of Kentucky County of = Montgomery Bath being=20 perfectly sound in mind but in rather a bad state of health do make = and ordain this my last Will=20 and testament in manner and form following my just debts being first = paid. First I will and=20 bequeath to my brother, James Allison two hundred Dollars of my = Estate, then the balance of my=20 estate both real and personal to be equally divided between the = children of my Brother James .................. From: "Juanita Diorio" Subject: Connie Phillips Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:27:25 -0400 Hello Connie. =20 I have been trying to e-mail you with some information about the Gudgel = Gathering, and the message bounces back -- wrong address. If you are = still interested in joining us on October 4-6, would you please e-mail = me at jdiorio@voyager.net? Thanks, Juanita Gudgel Diorio ********************** To the rest of the Gudgel Cousins, we're still on for our fantastic = Gudgel get-together on the weekend of Oct. 4-6 in Gibson County, = Indiana. Please let me know if you think you can come. We now have = about 18 to 20 who plan to be there. We'll be staying at the Hampton = Inn in Princeton. This will be opportunity to walk in the shoes of our = ancestors a little and gain a better understanding of their lives -- as = well as a chance to meet some of our great cousins who contribute so = much to the e-mail list. Juanita From: Bob Gudgel Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Connie Phillips I see that Connie's mail has bounced, even to the Gudgel list... If anybody knows her whearabouts, (or phone number etc.) give Juanita a shout. thanks! boB From: "Ralph Johnson" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: : Hello from Harrier Ureparapara Island July 13, Sunday Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:55:55 -0700 These emails are good enough to put in book form. I hope when Dennis and Patsy gets home they go over them and do just that. Doyal Gudgel Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:15:16 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Ralph Johnson CC: Vivian Gudgell , gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: : Hello from Harrier Ureparapara Island July 13, Sunday I second that. Dianne G-H Ralph Johnson wrote: > These emails are good enough to put in book form. I hope when Dennis and > Patsy gets home they go over them and do just that. > > Doyal Gudgel From: "Gail Hohenberger" To: , "Ralph Johnson" Cc: "Vivian Gudgell" , Subject: Re: : Hello from Harrier Ureparapara Island July 13, Sunday Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:16:19 -0500 I third it!!! LOL From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Fw: Hello from Harrier Ureparapara Island July 13, Sunday Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:55:16 -0700 Hi, Cousins, I am going to forward a couple of Dennis and Patsy Gudgell's letters to the gudgel-list. Maybe someone out there may want to help these school children. If anyone wants their name added to my Harrier-list, just send me your e-mail address. I have about 20 people that get the letters, now. Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:13 AM Subject: RE: Hello from Harrier Ureparapara Island July 13, Sunday : Pat wrote: : : Alo, : : It will be hard to find another village as special as this Laroup : Bay village is. These people are so warm hearted and kind that we : are finding it hard to leave this community. : : We were greeted five days ago with canoes full of people with : smiling faces, bringing us papaw, green coconut [ for drinking ] and : pompelmouse [extra large red grapefruit ] what a welcome. In return : we gave them fishing hooks and fishing line, the kids got pencils : and writing tablets [ pre wrapped in zip lock water proof bags]. . : : Ureparapara Island is the last Island before the Torres Island group : in the far north of Vanuatu. Vanuatu is generally taken to mean "our : land" and prior to independence from the UK and France in 1980, this : long, Y shaped archipelago of mainly very small islands was known as : the New Hebrides. : : Until recently it was official government policy to restrict tourism : to just a few areas of the country. This has now changed. The town : of Sola on the island of Vanua Lava was a new entrance port in 2001 : for the upper islands, as is the island of Tanna where we will be : clearing out of when we leave for New Caledonia in a couple of : months. : : We were the first American yacht to Ureparapara this year, and only : the sixth yacht over all. The chief of the village has started a : yacht registry, and we were happy to add Harrier's name to the book. : Ureparapara's unusual landform is almost circular in shape, and : varies between seven and eight km in diameter. it is the top of an : extinct volcano whose central crater was breached, letting the sea : in to form a very nice harbor about three km long. This is called : Lorup Bay. To enter you pass between two immense headlands of Ngeye : Byo Point and Ngeye Vet Point, both of which are over 300 meters : above the water. In front, the 764 Mt. Tow Lap dominates the scene : and makes Lorup Bay an awesome introduction to the island, and it's : 300 people who live on the volcano's slope.. : : The economy of this island is copra.... It takes one man to walk : through the bush to his coconut trees and bring back to his home : five sacks of green coconuts which he then husks and cuts in half . : Then, if he is lucky, he owns a drying kiln, if not he rents a : neighbor's for 1000 V a day and supplies all the dry wood to burn : the kiln for the three days it takes to dry the copra. Five sacks : of green will make one sack of dry copra which he can sell to the : Chinaman, who runs the copra ship, for 60 V per sack. For example : one can of chicken is 200 V [ the size of a medium tuna can ] : : For Education, it costs 60,000 V for a child to attend school after : the age of 12, then they have to leave home and go to another : island. 125 V to our 1.00 u.s. $ For elementary school, it costs 500 : V for the first child, 300 V each for two or more children, that is : not including paper, pencils and books. We are on our last boxes of : pencils and only about 15 tablets left, I wish we would have bought : more. School stops at age 12 for the average child, and then only : the children whose parents can afford the extra money receives a : better education. : : We went to the village today, and I walked with the teacher of grade : one. It is her job [ since she lives in the village] to gather the : children after morning prayers which is at 6:30, and if it is low : tide they walk the shore line about 1/2 of a mile and across three : streams to get to the school. If it is high tide they might be able : to walk along the forest line, otherwise the teachers and the kids : all take outriggers to school. The first thing you learn is to : walk, the second is to swim, and the third is to paddle an : outrigger; we have 3 and 4 year old children paddling out to : Harrier to see us. : : The school is grade 1-6 with the head mistress teaching grade 2 and : 6, and the other assistant teacher who lives at the school teaching : grade 3 and 4. : : The school is also a boarding school for some of the children from : the rest of the island who can afford the cost of boarding. The : children walk over the top of the volcano and down to the bay, they : live here for the term, and then are allowed to go walk home for a : week before returning for the next term. There are six students : here, now, from the windward side of the island. : : The first grade teacher would like first grade reading books, : rulers,scotch tape, simple flash cards, simple children games. She : teaches the kids to count by collecting seeds from the trees, her : music instruments are seeds pods and shells that whistle when you : blow into them. Could you send a harmonica or two and a simple : flute, maybe a tambourine? They have NOTHING along this line. : : The headmistress [ who's blouse was held together by a three inch : safety pin across her breast ] would like rulers, lined paper, : white paper, construction paper, pencils, crayons, and color books. : Whatever could be spared. Pencils, sharpeners, flash cards with : letters A B C, animals,. There is not one map in any of the grades, : and we have given our three away to other schools already. : : Only the headmistress is paid by the government. The assistant : teacher is from the home village and is paid very little. The : assistant teacher's skirt was three little skirts sewed together to : make one to go around her. : : ShemRolly Primary School : Dives Bay : Ureparapara : Torba Province : Vanuatu, VU : : I know any help would be very appreciated, but I don't think you : will get a letter of Thank You as they don't have money for rulers : much less postage to the U.S. But I know that in their hearts you : will be reaping many blessings. : : Because of our broken auto helm that needs to have parts sent for, : we will not be going up to the Torres Islands, but will start back : toward Santo and an airport. I am not as brave as the old seafarers, : I like the auto helm to connect to the computer, and let it do the : driving.; : : Waterfall Bay tomorrow, : : God Bless : : the crew of Harrier : Dennis and Patsy Gudgell : ------------------------------------------------- : : From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Fw: Answers from Harrier Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:10:34 -0700 Hi again, Linda and Dianne asked some questions about the school's address etc. Here are Patsy's answers to them.................Vivian Gudgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Cc: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:53 AM Subject: Re: Answers from Harrier : : Pat wrote: : July 24, 2002 : : Hi Linda, : : The kids here would break your heart, they live in rags. Sometimes, : I think our cleanup rags are better than what I see the people : wearing. But they are all happy and well fed as they live the : native way. : : I am not saying that it is the healthiest life style, as they don't : eat much of the fruits that are available, but choose to eat the : starch of the Taro plant and Yam as their only food [ also as a : snack food ] for breakfast and with other foods for their other : meals. If they don't catch many fish they don't have any form of : animal protein and are, in a sense of the word, vegetarians. : : On the Island of Ureparapara, the school head mistress name is : Lillian or just her title, That was the complete address as she : wrote it out for me. Then I went back to the school to make sure it : was right, but I don't think she would consider a country code, but : Vivian has that. (the country code is VU. We looked it up when I : sent the Auto pilot parts........use it in place of a zip : code......vg) : : Their lunch is served in the traditional grass hut; there is a long : table made out of skinny trees, on one side with a crude bench. : That day the lunch was boiled cabbage with taro. The lunch room has : a dirt floor while the 3 class rooms have cement floors (with big : holes everywhere), there are lots of holes in the cement but they : tried. : : Electricity is furnished to the kitchen by a solar panel and the : head mistress lives behind the kitchen. Her house is the only house : with a metal roof, the other one is thatched with palm branches. All : dirt floors. There may be three or four rooms, but the rooms are : only 4 by 6 for the sleeping rooms, and the main living space is : about 10 by 10. One or two of the houses had wood floors, but most : were swept dirt.. : : This school is not at Sola, but on the next island up toward the : Torres Island Group. It is the island of Ureparapara, this is a : volcano that has blown it's top and let the ocean into the crater : where it forms a wonderful sheltered bay. It took us three days : worth of trying to sail out of there. : : : to Dianne, : : We do have a digital camera, but not the e-mail service here, and : we do have some nice shots of the kids. One of the little boys gave : me a carved canoe for the chocolate cookies I took up there and it : is priceless. I just hope it wasn't too dark as there are no lights : in the class rooms. : : I hope to be able to send some pictures home from Australia when we : get there this fall, that is the closest place I can think of with a : high speed connection. Our e-mail server from the boat is for text : only. Other wise I would always have pictures going home. : : Lillian said she can buy supplies from the other islands and have : them brought by boat to her. The main store house for school : supplies was on the island of Sola and the stores [ That is a : complete other story alone ] are four sheets of plywood nailed : together, with nothing but a little food supplies. : : If you wanted an envelope, stationary, pencils or whatever in : stationary, you went to the bank. Wait until you see a picture of : this bank!!!!!!! : : Any little thing that you could send or a church clothes drive, you : have no idea how it would be appreciated. (however shipping costs : are very expensive) Every village where we stop, the first thing : they ask for, are clothes. : : At the village where we stopped last night before we came around the : cape, we gave the two fish we caught to the first little boys that : came to the boat in their Dad's dug out canoe. They went back with : whoops that must of said "Look Mom" as she came down to the beach, : too. About two hours later, these same boys were back with the : pompamouse and mandarins, and they asked if we had any clothes, but : I had already given out our supplies of shirts, and then I had : given the lady who weaved the mat five of my blouses, so I was out. : : But they asked for plastic and were thrilled with the empty Pepsi : bottles, as they are used to take water to the coconut plantations : when they go to work. The children go to school until noon at this : village and then the rest of the day they work with their parents in : the coconut plantations . : : But a man brought out four eggs and took a pair of Dennis's shorts : in trade. I was glad as I needed the eggs. If you ever hear of : people coming this way, school supplies, clothes, batteries [ they : use D cell to go diving for the lobsters ] fish hooks and line. : : Vivian, I have tried to e-mail Linda and to tell her of these : things, but I can't get through to them. The message goes and is not : bounced, but I never get a reply???? : : Well, here we sit, safely around the corner and out of the wind : about a half hour from Luganville. We will give the parts a few days : to arrive before we go in. : : Take care and Have a good day : : Sea Ya : : the crew of Harrier The address of the school is : ShemRolly Primary School Dives Bay Ureparapara Torba Province Vanuatu VU :---------------------------- : : From: "Steve Varvel" Subject: Old Andrews? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:47:18 -0700 =20 Hello again Gudgel researchers, I'm having some trouble here and need some help from some of you who = have been at this for a while. First of all, when was "Old Andrew" born? = I'm looking at (a transcription of) a Woodford County, KY record from = 1803 when Andrew was apprenticing (is that a word?) his son Abraham into = the Blacksmith trade where it appears to say that Andrew was 70 years = old on the previous Jan 26. Actually it appears to say that son Abraham = is 70, but since that's ridiculous I assume it means Andrew (is it = possible that it really said 17? I don't understand why it would require = Andrew's age). What's everyone's take on this? Does this mean Andrew was = born Jan 26, 1733? Are there any other clues as to his date of birth? The reason I'm asking is because if 1733 is correct, then he couldn't be = the son of Frederick of Franconia. In Frederick's will of 1748 he lists = his 5 children Agnes, Andrew, Mary, Ann, and Elizabeth. These names are = not listed male first-female second, and they're not listed in order of = who got the most stuff. So, I assume they were listed in birth order. In = 1748 all three of Andrew's younger sisters were already married. If = Elizabeth had just been married that year at the age of 16, adding 2 = years per sibling, that would put Andrew's birthdate sometime before = 1728.=20 I've also come across the following records: - Andrew "Gatchell" of Bucks County obtained a warrant for 300 = acres on Tohickon Creek on Apr 30, 1735 - On Jan 28, 1743 Andrew Gotshall purchased 25 acres at (or = near) Bedminster Township, Bucks Co., on the banks of Tohickon Creek = (Philadelphia, Patent Book A, Vol. 12, p.44) - Andrew and his wife Catherine (I believe Pfannekuchen) sold = =BD interest in a grist mill and 25 acres to Abraham Castine [Vashiner] = on Mar 17, 1745. This was part of a tract on which Frederick (of = Franconia) had erected a mill in partnership with Abraham Vashiner.=20 - On May 30, 1749, Andrew and Catherine sold to Yost Pannakusha = and Anne Mary Gotshall (executors of Frederick of Franconia's estate) a = =BD part of a Water Grist Mill and the 25 acres. Yost and Anne Mary = subsequently sold the =BD part of the Mill and a Massuage (or Tenement) = and the 25 acres to John Trout. - On Nov 8, 1749 Andrew bought 159 acres from a Thomas Darrah = (nearby?) - Records of the Lutheran congregation of the Tohickon Church = (which only go back to 1750) list two daughters of Andrew Gottschall and = Catherine Elizabeth (1) Maria Johanna, born Jun 10, 1750, bap Nov 11, = 1750, sponsored by Jost Pfannekuchen, wife Maria Agnesia, and daughter = Maria Johanna, and (2) Esther, born May 7, 1753, bap Jun 3, 1753. Do all of these records check out? I have sources for some, but not all = of them. Assuming they are all legitimate, I think it's reasonable to = assume that all of these Andrews are the same guy, and that he is the = son of Frederick. How old did you have to be to get a Warrant for land = back then? 16? 21? Since this Andrew got one in 1735, doesn't that mean = he was probably born at least before 1719? OK, it's my understanding that sometime during the 1750's Andrew and = family moved to Chester County. I've been looking into the Hoch families = of Jacob and Philip who also apparently moved from the same approximate = area to Chester County during the same time. Did they go together? What = Godshalk records from Chester County have been found?=20 What I'm getting to is the question, doesn't it make more sense to = assume that the Andrew who married Barabara Hoch in Chester PA and later = moved to Redstone was a son of Andrew, grandson of Frederick? This seems = to fit the available data better than trying to stretch poor Old Andrew = over almost a century and three productive wives. If Frederick's son = Andrew were born a little before 1719 he would be plenty old enough to = have had a son (Old Andrew) c 1733. We know that Frederick Gottshall and = Jost Pannekuchen were both neighbors before 1730 - maybe the Catherine = Elizabeth that Andrew married was really Jost's sister, not daughter. I'm sure you have tossed these ideas around before. What have you come = up with? Am I missing some important piece of information that makes = this impossible? I look forward to hearing some responses! -Steve Varvel Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:30:51 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Steve Varvel Subject: Re: Old Andrews? Dear Steve, You are very wise to be thinking so logically along these lines and I am so glad you've laid things out like you did. I don't think anyone has suggested that our Old Andrew was the grandson of Frederick but I, too, have wondered about the early age of Andrew getting land. We have been told that Old Andrew died at age 88 in 1815 which puts him being born about 1727 to 1730 (according to other suspected dates). We find an oath of allegiance that one Andrew Gotshall took upon entering Pennsylvania or upon becoming 21--I've never figured out when person had to take the oath--and that was about 1749 (is that correct cousins? I don't have my figures in front of me). I believe Frederick took the oath at about the same time. Since neither oath was 'sworn' we know the men were Quakers or Mennonites but searching those records have given us limited information. Those Quaker records in Chester Co I believe (help me out here cousins) have told us about marriage(s) out of the religion so the couples were essentially ex-communicated. The long 2 yr or more requirement to be confirmed as suitable to marry each other didn't fly well for many couples and they elected to marry without the church's blessings and therefore moved away and were ex-communicated so to speak. I forget who it was among our group who did such a bang up job of researching this. I think one of the most important pieces of information is the IOU that Andrew had in Bucks Co, PA in 1757 (?). Mr Ball, who loaned him the money, had his son collect on it some 20 yrs later in Fayette Co. The court records (dockets only) show that Andrew lost and I believe he moved to KY about that time. Many other pieces of the puzzle that have bothered me, Steve, are who was Daniel Gudgel--a son or cousin or uncle of Andrew? He is there in Fayette Co, PA and was in KY but seemed to move back to PA before moving on again. And there is the information on Andrew Jr being born in Baltimore in 1760. The Anderson Co, KY history book reports this. Perhaps they were just traveling through as it isn't far from various other places our relatives were in those days. Good research, keep it up. If I've gotten my facts wrong here folks, please correct me, as I'm doing this off the top of my head. Dianne G-H Anchorage Steve Varvel wrote: > > > Hello again Gudgel researchers, > > I’m having some trouble here and need some help from some of you who <<>> From: "Steve Varvel" To: Subject: Re: Old Andrews? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:43:51 -0700 Hi Diane, Thanks for replying so quickly! Three quick points - I wasn't aware of the "oaths of allegience" taken by Frederick and Andrew in 1749. I assume this was their naturalizations. As far as I know, this was different than the "oaths of allegience and abjuration" that immigrants were required to take when arriving at the port of Philadelphia. Rather, these naturalizations bestowed actual citizenship and were required before taking part in certain civic activities like voting. I've recently read something that described how before certain critical elections Germans were recruited en masse to come down to Philadelphia and become naturalized so that they could vote for something or other. Sometimes people did it decades after immigrating (as appears to be the case with Frederick). You mentioned you thought this family was Mennonite or Quaker since they wouldn't swear. I know these two groups held similar beliefs, but were there actually German Quakers? I thought they were all English. From what I've gathered (mostly from the archives of your mailing list) the Hoch family were definitely Mennonites, but the Gottshalls and Pfannekuchens from those Tohickon Church records came from the Lutheran congregation. I know there were both Lutheran and Reformed congregations sharing that same church during that time period (1750's) and they both have records. If the Gottshalls were really Mennonites and just couldn't find a convinient Mennonite Church nearby I would think they would have at least been part of the Reformed congregation, not the Lutherans. Is there any other evidence that they were Mennonites? Finally, I really wonder about that reference that Andrew Jr. was born in MD in 1760. After all, we recently found in those records of Conrad Boucher the birth and baptism dates for Andrew Jr. - Sep 23, 1767 and Nov 13, 1768, and he was at least baptized at Redstone. It seems that either that Anderson County history may have been just wrong (I've found a couple of examples where county histories were wrong), or maybe it was confused by some other family. Didn't I hear something about an Andrew Gudgeon from MD or something? On the other hand, Chester County is pretty close to Baltimore, so maybe only the date was wrong. Can anyone tell me where in Chester County they were? Thanks again, Steve Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:19:19 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Steve Varvel Subject: Re: Old Andrews? Steve, I guess I don't know enough about the two kinds of 'oaths' to make a judgment. And I may have missed the fact that Andrew jr was baptized in Redstone about 1768/67 (which we know for sure was the time that Andrew Sr was there (although he could have been there a bit earlier). Can't tell you the details between religions but maybe someone else can. I have always figured our Gudgel came from the Palentine are of Germany/Switzerland? Comments anyone? Dianne G-H From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Steve Varvel" Subject: Re: Old Andrews? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:22:58 -0700 Steve, I have a piece taken from the "History of Souderton, Montgomery County, = Pennsylvania" page 150-151. Author: Henry S. Landes 1871-1950. = "Reprinted from the Souderton Independent" Naturalizations Many of the first settlers of this section were naturalized by the = Provincial Council. The requirements for citizenship varied at = different times. All applicants were required to be members of a = Protestant or Reformed church. Quakers were not required to take an = oath. At a Council held at Philadelphia, on February 3rd, 1742/3, an act was = passed for "Naturalizing such foreign Protestants as are settled or = shall settle in the Province, who, not being of the people called = Quakers, do conscientiously refuse the taking of any Oath". In the following list the names of those persons who were not required = to take the oath, are marked with a (*) star. Where no place of residence is given, the same has not been ascertained. The following were naturalized in 1708, confirmed by the Queen in = Council, on February 20th, 1713. Jacob Gaetshalck Vander Heggen His son, Gaetshalck Vander Heggen (Others that I will not type,,,vg) 1738-39 William Hauke, Franconia Frederick Gotshall, Franconia (Others that I will not type.......vg) September 25th,26th,27th, 1740 Joseph Penkick (Yost Pannekuck) (Others that I will not type.......vg) April 11th, 12th, 13th, 1743,=20 *Christian Allebach, Franconia *Andrew Hauk, Franconia (Other that I will not type....vg) Sreptember 24th, 1756 *Henry Meyer This list goes to 1764. Notice there is no Andrew Gudgel nor any of the = various spellings listed. Vivian Gudgell Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:13:06 -0700 From: "Connie Phillips" To: "gudgel cousins" Subject: address change Dear Bob, I think I need to give you my new address. I forgot to update the list = with the last change. We are at pandcphillips@earthlink.net Several people have tried to = reach us and we have not seen anything from the list for sometime. = Guess I forgot to send the latest one to you. Thanks Connie G Phillips Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:14:18 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell CC: Steve Varvel , Gudgel-list Subject: Re: Old Andrews? Thanks Vivian. As you can see we have 3 of Frederick Gotshall's sons-in-law on the list you provided. I know we have asked this question before, but has anyone tried to find the dates of Frederick's daughter's marriages? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes PS This Sat is the date of the Gudgel Family reunion in Chowchilla, California at the grandson's house of Emma Sarah Sevedge Gudgel/Thomas Wiley Gudgel. Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Steve,I have a piece taken from the "History of Souderton, > Montgomery County, Pennsylvania" page 150-151. Author: Henry S. > Landes 1871-1950. "Reprinted from the Souderton > Independent" Naturalizations Many of the first settlers of this > section were naturalized by the Provincial Council. The > requirements for citizenship varied at different times. All > applicants were required to be members of a Protestant or Reformed > church. Quakers were not required to take an oath. At a Council > held at Philadelphia, on February 3rd, 1742/3, an act was passed for > "Naturalizing such foreign Protestants as are settled or shall > settle in the Province, who, not being of the people called Quakers, > do conscientiously refuse the taking of any Oath". In the following > list the names of those persons who were not required to take the > oath, are marked with a (*) star.Where no place of residence is > given, the same has not been ascertained. The following were > naturalized in 1708, confirmed by the Queen in Council, on February > 20th, 1713.Jacob Gaetshalck Vander HeggenHis son, Gaetshalck Vander > Heggen(Others that I will not type,,,vg) 1738-39 William Hauke, > FranconiaFrederick Gotshall, Franconia(Others that I will not > type.......vg) September 25th,26th,27th, 1740Joseph Penkick (Yost > Pannekuck)(Others that I will not type.......vg) April 11th, 12th, > 13th, 1743,*Christian Allebach, Franconia*Andrew Hauk, > Franconia(Other that I will not type....vg) Sreptember 24th, > 1756*Henry Meyer This list goes to 1764. Notice there is no Andrew > Gudgel nor any of the various spellings listed. Vivian Gudgell From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: bouncing emails Hello cousins... I am receiving some email errors today for bounced gudgel list emails Here are the 3 that came up. Just in case you may know something to help these persons out. BTW, Connie Phillips is back online too. ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- jan_1@webtv.net Trag24@webtv.net aap109@webtv.net boB From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Just Stuff Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:52:33 -0400 Hi Everyone- Sorry I have been away from my genealogy for a bit, but I have been = reading them. Sounds like the GUDGEL Gathering plans are going great. = And these gals are doing a great job of putting this together. Sounds = like the turnout will be good too. And Connie Phillips......I hear your back on line---Welcome Back! Yesterday my oldest daughter graduated with her Master's degree in = Education from Georgetown College. Yeah!!!!!! The ceremony was outside = under these huge old trees (beautiful old campus) but it was stifling = humid and heat. Right up near 100 degrees I think. We were sure glad = when it was over. Was good to get back indoors to the good old air = conditioning! Had a houseful of guests for a luncheon following the = ceremony, but at least we were cool. Kentucky is experiencing extreme heat and drought right now. I remember = growing up without air conditioning and we just had window fans. We = didn't seem to mind it so bad since we didn't know any better--no one = had air conditioning in the homes then. I also remember not having an = inside bathroom till I was about the 5th grade but that's another story = . Hope everyone is doing okay. Linda from Kentucky Very Dry, hot and humid. Not a good year for flowers and lawns. From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" Subject: Mayor of Keokuk, Iowa Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:09:41 -0500 Had an e-mail from a friend who had seen an article on David Gudgel, = mayor of Keokuk. Anyone have any more info? -Jennette Gudgel Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: re. Mayor Dave Gudgel -Jennette Gudgel wrote: >Had an e-mail from a friend who had seen an article on David Gudgel, = >mayor of Keokuk. >Anyone have any more info? Thank God for Google and it's cached versions of link rotted newspaper articles ! There are some newspaper article references to Mayor Dave Gudgel at, http://www.dailygate.com/archives/ and http://www.thehawkeye.com I also see one on the msnbc page. There are other links as well If you go to Google and enter the two words, gudgel mayor you get some good and bad links to articles about Mayor Dave Gudgel. If the link is dead, go back to the google page and click on "cached" and a saved text version will come up at least. Nothing real important happening except I am working 7 days a week to help get this new business going that my brother, Robin, and a couple other people I have worked with in the past have started. www.outbackpower.com It's sprinkling today here in Everett/Arlington Washington boB From: "Vivian Gudgell" Cc: Subject: Re: Hannah Gudgel's father-in-law Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:59:18 -0700 Hi Nancy Teel Miller, This tidbit of information comes from "Portrait and Biographical Album of De Witt and Piatt Counties, Illinois. Author: Anonymous. Published ca 1891. >From biography of William Teal. >>>fragment>>>. In the paternal line our subject traces his descent from NICHOLAS TEAL who came from Germany many years ago and established a home in Virginia. Thence he removed to Gibson County, Indiana..about 1806 and there spent the remnant of his days. For several years after going thither, he and his fellow frontiersmen occupied forts as they were in continual danger from savages. In the family of this gentleman was a son ADAM, who accompanied his father to the Hoosier state and in his early days worked at the trade of blacksmith, which was the father's vocation likewise. He, however, spent much of his life on a farm. He served in the war of 1812 as First Sergeant and one of the participants of the battle of New Orleans. He was twice married, first to HANNAH GUDGEL, a native of Pennsylvania, who reared four children.....William, Hester, Catherine, and Elizabeth. The wife and mother died in 1824 and the father in 1832, after having married a Mrs. Downey.>>>>end of fragment>>>> The story goes on about the son, William, who married a NANCY MARVEL, and their children. If anyone is interested, I can give you their names etc. Vivian Gudgell From: "Judith Myers" To: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Hannah Gudgel's father-in-law Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:03:33 -0500 Hi, Vivian. William and Nancy Marvel Teal are my great-great grandparents. I'm decended from their son Henry and his son Joseph. Hence my connection to the Gudgels. While I have the genealogy, I don't think I have this particular reference, so thanks for giving it. Since DeWitt County is the county next to the one I live in (McLean Co.), I'll look it up at the library in Clinton, IL.............Judith Myers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Gudgel-list" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Hannah Gudgel's father-in-law > Hi Nancy Teel Miller, > This tidbit of information comes from "Portrait and Biographical <> From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: Subject: Re: Hannah Gudgel's father-in-law Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:46:43 -0700 Hello Myrna, I can give you your lineage back to Andrew Sr. and Betsy Payn, their son was William and Lucinda (Thurman) GUDGEL. One of William's sons was Abraham C. GUDGEL b. 1 Apr. 1844 d. 29 Jan 1910, Owensville Indiana (Obit.) Abraham married Anna Elizabeth Weed. She died 9 Oct. 1915. Their children: 1.Roy b. 21 Nov 1887, Gibson co. Indiana, d. 1972, Married Laverne Clark 2.Ora Joseph b. 14 Apr 1898, d. 01 Nov. 1985 married Ada King, 21 Feb ? Rockville, Indiana. 3.Luella married (unk) Camp. She was 75 yrs, old when she died in Fort Branch. Buried in Clark Cem. Their children: Cecil, Cyrus, and Mrs. Roy Watkins 4.William 5.Perry Morton married Ollie Hunt on 18 Nov. 1896. Their children: William Vaughn, Raymond Earl, Evah Callis,Mildred Coplen 6.Arthur T. b. 1 Dec. 1879 d. 2 Jan 1961 at Mt. Carmel Illinois 82 yrs old. buried Clark Cem.. Married Lurah Francis Epperson. 7.Della married U.B. Reynolds on 29 Jul 1900. Their children: Junius, Travis, Mrs. Paul Turpin, Marsovan. 8.Rebecca b. 1885 d. 1978, Married Silas Ward on 10 Apr. 1904. 9.Homer 10.Kathryn As you can see I have a lot of blanks on the children of Abraham and Anna Elizabeth Weed. If you can fill any of them I would be grateful. Vivian -- Original Message ----- From: To: "Vivian Gudgell" Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Hannah Gudgel's father-in-law : Thank you so much for this information. I don't have : any of the Gudgel lineage past my grandmother, Della : Gudgel Reynolds. I'm so glad we are gathering our : family history. : : I live in Connecticut, but grew up in Fort Branch, : Indiana. My father was Della's son, Travis Reynolds. : : Thank you for this history. : : Sincerely, : Myrna Reynolds : : : From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: census stuff Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:01:19 -0700 Hi cousins, I did a little checking for the name GUDSHALL, GODSHALL and GUDGELL on the early census. I wonder who the 4 GUDSHALLS in 1870 in PA. are? Could they be ours?.......Vivian GUDSHALL I got 3 in 1810 census- Woodford, KY. Andrew, Abram, John. I got 4 in 1870 census- all in PA. 1.JACOB age 49 and Eliz. age 46. --Cumberland Co. Middletown, PA -Their children: William 24 Emeline 21 Frederick 19 Alford 16 Edward 15 Mary 11 Elizabeth 9 Ida 7 Margaret 5 Richard 1 2.JOHN age 59 in that household 3.L.GUDSHALL and Mary age 39-Cumberland Co., Middletown, PA. Their children: Emus 19 Lucile 15 Laura 13 4.WILLIAM GUDSHALL 19 working out. Dauphin Co. Uniontown, Pa. Can't tell which family he belongs in. ------------------------------------------- Then I checked for the spelling GODSHALL I got 12 in 1790 census-11 in PA. 1 in MA. Berks County:-6 Frederick Frederick Joseph Michael Nicholas Thomas Lancaster:-2 Lud. Peter Philadelphia-3 Frederick John Paint Philip Essex. MA-1 William GODSHALL in 1800--2 Barbara in Lancaster, PA. William in Essex, MA. GODSHALL IN 1810--13 All in PA. Andrew--Northampton County Frederick--Philadelphia John--Berks John--Berks John--Lancaster John--Northampton Michael--Berks Nicholas--Berks Paul--Philadelphia Phillip--Berks Thomas--Berks Thomas--Northampton William--Philadelphia GODSHALL in 1870 census--48-- All in PA, but 1 in NJ ------------------------------------------------- Last I checked for GUDGELL in 1810--one Daniel in Fayette, PA. GUDGELL in 1870--22--all over the place From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:47:28 EDT Subject: Re: census stuff I read all of this news and marvel at your drive to put everyone in their place. I have a list of GUDGEL's that got married in IN but I have not been able to put them anywhere or find out anything so I will bring in Oct and maybe you guys have already done the work. I have not read all the notes on "Old Andrew" but I'm like Steve. I was wondering when I found the land deals for two Andrew's on internet, if Frederick might have had a brother because I don't remember if Andrew was old enought to be given land by the Penn brothers when he got here. And the land was all together from what I read. As for the religion, I read a history on Godschalk or what ever spelling that he was a Mennonite Minister and he was sent over here by the Church Group. I also read somewhere that along the Rhine River where they were at the time the Penn brothers went over there that there were Dutch, German and Swiss all together as things had happened to them and they went to this location for work in wine fields but at the time in question, the French were giving them problems there too so they were looking to improve themselves anyway they could. The statement I read was they couldn't be any worse off. I liked reading your comments about it but what about there being a brother to Frederick has anyone ever thought this could be? Keep Talking and thanks to Steve for bringing it up. Pat Agnew Will be in PA for a few days for Wenger reunion the 15 to 20th and if I can find or if I am close enough to check that Cemetery for us, I will. From: Mercury430@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:26:32 EDT Subject: Andrew's Military Record War of 1812 From: KY Soldiers of the War of 1812 KY Adjutant General Office Not room to type so will bring copies to Gibson Co. in Oct. Also a Jacob Gudgell listed. Pat Agnew Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:53:32 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Vivian Gudgell Subject: Re: census stuff Dear Cousins, By 1870 the name Gudgel was clearly spelled Gudgel and so any Godshalls or such spellings are new comers from sometime in the 1800s. As we know from our research, the Gudgels moved westward in the 1800s. Only in the 1900s do we see a reverse migration happening--even with Linda Finnell's clan, right Linda? As far as the history books on Jacob Gotschalk in PA in the early 1700s, he does not appear to be related but he certainly could have written back to Germany/Switzerland and enticed other Gotschalks to come over about the time our Andrew is said to have come (1730ish?). Some of you have tried to find a connection with Jacob's group and our Andrew --perhaps through marriage--and at times there appears to be a promising lead. Keep digging. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Vivian Gudgell wrote: > Hi cousins, > I did a little checking for the name GUDSHALL, GODSHALL and GUDGELL > on the early census. I wonder who the 4 GUDSHALLS in 1870 in PA. Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:19:16 -0700 From: "Steve Varvel" Subject: Peter Gottshall of Lancaster, PA Hi everyone, I was recently looking through the records of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of the Holy Trinity in Lancaster (town), PA (which by the way are some of the most complete church records I’ve ever seen). Anyway, I came across an amazing amount of information about a Peter Gottshall that seemed worth compiling and sharing. I don’t have any reason to think that this guy interacted in any way with Old Andrew’s line, but maybe at the least it should be useful to be able to separate his descendents from those that you’re interested in, or maybe some of his descendents have shown up on your mailing list. Records of attendence at communion at “Trinity Lutheran” given a couple of times each year are available. In these lists Peter Gottschall/Gottshalk is first mentioned on Oct 10, 1747 as a servant of Martin Krueter – indicating he had probably arrived within a couple of years and was paying off his voyage expenses with an indenture (these were usually for about 3 years). He is subsequently mentioned (in his own right) Jul 24, 1748; Mar 13, 1749; Mar 4, 1750; Sep 30, 1750; Apr 7, 1751; 14th Sunday after Trinity(?), 1752. The communicant lists from 1752-1769 are missing, but when they pick up again Peter is still there. Also the confirmations of (at least several of) his children are recorded when they came of age (15-16), and the subsequent records are full of their progeny (I didn’t examine these very closely). The records also detail his marriage and the births of his children. Peter Gottschall (a bachelor) and Anna Catherina Morin were married Nov 5, 1749. They had the following children: Catharina Elisabeth; b: Aug 11, 1750; bap: Aug 26, 1750; sp. Leonhardt Loechner and wife Anna Elisabeth, Catherine Frankfurterin Ludwig; b: Feb 14, 1753; bap: Feb 25, 1753; sp. Ludewig Laumann and wife Elisabetha Johan Peter; b: Jan 8, 1755; bap: Jan 9, 1755; sp. Ludwig Lauman and maternal grandmother Elisabet; b: Nov 29, 1756; bap: Dec 5, 1756; sp. Ludwig Lauman and wife Elisabet Johan Michael; b: Jun 13, 1758; bap: Aug 6, 1758; sp. Ludwig Lauman and wife Elisabet Gottlieb; b: Jan 19, 1761; bap: Feb 15, 1761; sp. Michael Mohr and wife Catharina Anna Maria; b: Mar 3, 1763; bap: Apr 10, 1763; sp. Martin Lauman and wife Anna Maria Catharina; b: Mar 3, 1765; bap: Mar 31, 1765; sp. Michael Mohr and wife Catharina I wish all churches kept such good records! I don’t know where this Peter comes from, but the records from Lancaster are so good that I’m sure he wasn’t in the county much before 1747. There are no Peter Gottshall’s in any immigration records I’ve ever seen from this period, though the fact that he was indentured in 1747 suggests he may have been a recent immigrant. However, it’s possible that he grew up elsewhere (in PA) and indentured himself upon coming of age, setting off to make his own way. He was probably of the generation born in the mid-late 1720’s. Maybe it would be useful to investigate his “boss” Michael Kreuter….. Until next time, Steve Varvel From: "Connie Phillips" Subject: Help Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:05:04 -0400 I would like to ask some of you to send a get-well to my nephew, = Erik Gudgel. He has been in the hospital for a few months now and is = very ill. He was diagnosed with a virus in his heart and has lost all = but 10% to 15% of his heart. He has a pacemaker and defibrillator = inside his chest and now they have installed into his left side the = "Jarvik 2000 pump" to keep his blood circulating and try to rebuild his = heart function.=20 He is only 25 years old and the son of my youngest brother Edwin = Gudgel in Hoopeston, IL. He is very scared and would love to hear from = all the new cousins we have found. My brother Steve and I visited him = last week near Chicago on our trip north and was telling him about = finding lots of Gudgels. Just a note would make him feel connected to = this big great family. Thanks Connie G. Phillips Erik Gudgel Advocate Christ Medical Center 4440 W. 95th St Room 964W Oaklawn, Illinois 60453 From: "Ralph Johnson" To: "Connie Phillips" , Subject: Re: Help Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:58:11 -0700 I can feel for you. I had announced that we lost our young = granddaughter to cancer a few months ago. It doesn't seem right for = some young people to have to face these troubles. Doyal Gudgel Sr. Finally a free forum for seniors. All kinds of good stuff. Sell = ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Connie Phillips=20 To: gudgel cousins=20 Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: Help Dear cousins=20 I would like to ask some of you to send a get-well to my nephew, = Erik Gudgel. He has been in the hospital for a few months now and is = very ill. He was diagnosed with a virus in his heart and has lost all = but 10% to 15% of his heart. He has a pacemaker and defibrillator = inside his chest and now they have installed into his left side the = "Jarvik 2000 pump" to keep his blood circulating and try to rebuild his = heart function.=20 He is only 25 years old and the son of my youngest brother Edwin = Gudgel in Hoopeston, IL. He is very scared and would love to hear from = all the new cousins we have found. My brother Steve and I visited him = last week near Chicago on our trip north and was telling him about = finding lots of Gudgels. Just a note would make him feel connected to = this big great family. Thanks Connie G. Phillips Erik Gudgel Advocate Christ Medical Center 4440 W. 95th St Room 964W Oaklawn, Illinois 60453 From V.Gudgell@verizon.net Wed Aug 21 11:13:53 2002 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:50:38 -0700 From: Vivian Gudgell Cc: MargieBr@aol.com Subject: Fw: Obit for Jacob Bowman, Daniel's grandson-in-law Hi, I am sending this again, as I got a 'bounced mail' message last night. I don't know if anyone received it or not. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- Hi,I found this Obit for Jacob BOWMAN who married Mary P. GUDGELL, dau. of Stephen and Sarah (Phillips) GUDGELL. Stephen was son of Daniel GUDSHALL and Rachel (Gause) GUDSHALL. Vivian ------------------- December 1, 1881 In this city, Nov. 25 of paralysis, Jacob Bowman, 74 years, 4 months. Jacob Bowman died on Saturday morning at six o'clock. His death had been expected for several days. The injury sustained by being thrown by a calf he was leading in his years several weeks ago, it is supposed, brought on paralysis and death. He leaves a wife and eight children, two sons and six daughters, all married, bereft, the widow of a devoted, tender and affectionate husband and compainion and the children of an endulgent and most loved father. Mr. Bowman was a native of Ohio, and a resident of Indiana for many years, where he married Miss Gudgell 50 years ago last May. Twenty-five years ago he landed with his family in Henry, and since then has been a resident of the Prairie State. He owned a quarter section of land in Milo township, Bureau county, a beautiful farm, which he lived upon until two or three years ago, when he leased it and bought his present residence in Henry on North Edwards street, where Mr. Bowman and wife, a widowed daughter and two nieces have since made it their home. Mr. Bowman was highly respected and will be general mourned. His funeral was held at the family residence on Monday at 8 a. m., Rev. H. W. Sparling of St. John's Episcopal church officiating, from whence the remains were conveyed to the train, ant then to Tiskilwa, the family burying ground, where the body was consigned ot its final resting place. Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:30:47 EDT From: NancykDing@aol.com Subject: Obit for Jacob Bowman, Daniel's grandson-in-law Vivian, Thanks for posting the Obit for Jacob Bowman. Do you know who were the children? The only child I have is Sara Ann married to Joseph Bridges & I don't have a source down for that entry. Nancy Dingman Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:26:17 -0700 From V.Gudgell@verizon.net Thu Aug 22 19:12:22 2002 Subject: Re: Obit for Jacob Bowman, Daniel's grandson-in-law Nancy and other cousins, The family names that I can decipher from the 1870 U.S. Census, Bureau, Milo, Illinois, P.O. Boyd's Grove, are as follows: Household 110: Jacob Bowman- 63-m-w-Farmer-13,500-2000-Ohio Mary-----------------61-f-w-keeps house--------------Penn Emily----------------22-f-w-at home---------------------Indiana Mary Homes-----28/23f-w-dress maker------------ (line) Emaline Bowman-20-f-w-at home--------------------(line) Newton---------------18-m-w-on farm------------------ (line) Alice Homes--------10-f-w-at home-------------------Illinois Jane Homes----------9-f-w-at home------------------- (line) Stephen Gudgell----82-m-w-Retired-----------------Penn Sarah--------------------83-f-w-Retired-------------------Indiana Household 206: Joseph Bridges----45-m-w-farmer---------------------Indiana Sarah------------------38-f-w-Keeps house-------------(line) Lulu---------------------15-f-w-at home--------------------(line) Cyrus-------------------13-m-w-at home------------------(line) Eva----------------------10-f-w-at home--------------------(line) For the Gudgel cousins, Jacob BOWMAN married Mary P. GUDGELL, daughter of Stephen, son of Daniel GUDSHALL and Rachel GAUSE. Joseph BRIDGES married Sarah Ann BOWMAN, daughter of Jacob and Mary P. BOWMAN From myrnareynolds@att.net Thu Aug 22 19:12:09 2002 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:45:16 +0000 From: myrnareynolds@att.net To: Vivian Gudgell Cc: NancykDing@aol.com, Gudgel-list Subject: querie I'm rather new to the extensive family history, but I'm curious to know if anyone knows when the family migrated to this country. How? Who did it? I've seen writings that they came from somewhere near the Rhine River. The next location was in Ky in 1727. Does anyone have knowledge of their coming here? I'm really looking forward to the 'Gathering', hoping to learn so much more. Myrna From dianeh@corecom.net Thu Aug 22 20:56:58 2002 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:22:22 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: myrnareynolds@att.net Cc: Vivian Gudgell , NancykDing@aol.com, Subject: Re: querie Not Ky in 1727 but PA. KY didn't occur until about 1788-90. The Gudgel web site has lots of history in their archival files. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Gudgel-list" Subject: Re: Henry Stucker (b. 1766) on Fayette, Luzerne Twp. PA. 1800 census Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:20:10 -0700 Hello cousins, Here are some census records for Daniel GUDGELL'S family transcribed from the image pages by me. Vivian 1800........ I found Henry STUCKER, (b.1766) on the 1800 Fayette, Luzerne Twp. PA.(image)( Heritagequestonline Series M32 Roll 38, Pg. 564) family listed as: 1 male under 10, (Samuel or John) 1 male 26 thru 44 (Henry) 1 female under 10, (Margaret) 1 female 10 thru 15 (?) 1 female 26 thru 44. (Wife, Lydia Ann GUDGELL) Henry STUCKER married Daniel GUDSHALL's daughter, Lydia Ann, in 1796. Henry was listed among the households of his father-in-law, Daniel GUDGELL (spelled Guthel) and his wife's grandfather, Charles GAUS. and her uncles, Soloman GAUS and Enoch GAUS.. Daniel GUTHEL (b. 1755) (1800 census page 561) 4 males under 10 ( Isaac, Nathan, Mahlon, Daniel Jr.) 1 male 16 thru 25 (?) 1 male 45 and over (Daniel) 1 female 10 thru 15 (Amy) 1 female 45 and over (Wife, Rachel GAUSE) d/o Charles GAUSE Charles GAUS (b. 1731) (1800 census same Pg.) 1 male 16 thru 25 1 male 45 and over ( Charles) 1 female under 10 1 female 16 thru 25 1 female 45 and over (Wife,Grace DIXON) Solloman GAUS ( b. 1756) (1800 census same pg.) s/o Charles 1 male under 10 2 males 10 thru 15 2 males 16 thru 25 1 male 45 and over (Soloman) 1 female under 10 2 females 16 thru 15 1 female over 45 ( Wife, Ruth DIXON b. 1734) Enoch GAUS (b. bef. 1775) (1800 census same pg.) s/o Charles 1 male 10 thru 15 1 male 16 thru 25 1 male 45 and over 1 female under 10 1 female 45 and over Henry STUCKER was not on the 1810 Fayette, Luzerne, PA. census. Daniel GUDGELL was still listed in 1810, but Grace GAUZE was listed as head of house. Her husband, Charles GAUZE, had died between 1800 and 1810. We know that Daniel GUDGELL migrated to Indiana in 1814. I assume that Henry STUCKER left before 1810. 1810.......... Daniel GUDGELL (b.1755) (listed 1810 census Series M252, Roll 54, pg. 178) 1 male under 10 (probably Mahlon) 1 male 45 and over (Daniel) 1 female 45 and over (wife, Rachel GAUSE) Grace GAUZE (1810 census,same pg.) wife of Charles GAUSE 1 female 16 thru 25 1 female 26 thru 44 1 female 45 and over Soloman GAUZE (b. 1756) (1810 census same pg.) s/o Charles 1 male 45 and over 1 female 45 and over Eli GAUZE (b. 1786) (1810 census same pg.) s/o Soloman s/o Charles 1 male under 10 1 male 16 thru 25 1 female 16 thru 25 Stephen GUDGELL ( b. 1787) (1810 census Pg. 179 ) ( Daniel's son) 1 male 16 thru 25 (Stephen) 1 female under 10 (Mary P. b. 20 Jan. 1810) 1 female 26 thru 44 (wife,Sarah Phillips b. 1786) 1790....... Daniel GUTCHEL (b. 1755) (1790 census, Fayette, Luzerne Twp. PA. Series 637, Roll 8, Pg. 40) 1 male 16 and up, including head of families (Daniel) 2 males under 16 (Stephen and Daniel Jr. b. 1790) 3 females including heads of families ( Lydia Ann, Amy, and Rachel) Charles GAUS, ( b. 1731) ( 1790 census same Pg.) 1 male 16 and up, including heads of families 3 females, including heads of families Soloman GAUS (b. 1756) (1790 census same pg.) s/o Charles 1 male 16 and up, including heads of families 3 males under 16 2 females , including heads of families Enoch GAUS (b. bef. 1775) (1790 census same Pg.) s/o Charles 1 male 16 and up 2 males under 16 2 females including heads of families Vivian From: "Ralph Johnson" Subject: Joyce Dennny Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:11:49 -0700 Anyone have record of a Joyce Denny that married into the Gudgels? Probably in Texas From: "Ron" Subject: subscribe Old-Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:49:48 -0500 Ron From: "Juanita Diorio" Subject: Gudgel Gathering Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:00:25 -0400 Dear Cousins, This is an update on our Gudgel Gathering plans for October 4-6, 2002. = Details have been going out only to those who at plan to be there, but I = thought you might like to know what is being cooked up and who will be = there. Also, if I have missed putting anyone on my bulk mailing list = who does plan to go, you can let me know right away and I'll welcome you = to the fold. We are going to Gibson County, Indiana, of course -- the location of the = gravesite of our common ancestor, Andrew Gudgel, Sr. In addition to = visiting the Gudgel Farm Cemetery, we will be doing a lot of talking -- = getting to know each other (as well as those cousins who still live in = the area), exchanging data and learning more about the early years of = our ancestors. I am hoping that the talkative Gudgel gene has been = passed along, because this will be a weekend of sharing among those = there. We will also be eating (another Gudgel aptitude) with the = Saturday evening meal being at the oldest restaurant in Indiana -- Log = Inn. Honest Abe even dined there once upon a time! These are the members of our e-mail group who will be joining us. If = you plan to be there, and your name isn't in this list, please get in = touch with me pronto (Juanita Gudgel Diorio: jdiorio@voyager.net). = Those that we'll have a chance to meet in person are: Pat & Marion = Agnew, Juanita Diorio, Linda & Gary Finnell, Mia Fleegel, Bill Gudgel, = Jennette A. Gudgel, Terri Montigny and her mother and aunt -- Maxine = Stout & Helen Sites -- Ardath & John Potts, Jean Waterfill, Ron Woodfill = & wife, and hopefully Dianne Gudgel-Holmes. We'll miss the rest of you! Juanita Gudgel Diorio Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:12:07 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Juanita Diorio Subject: Re: Gudgel Gathering Thanks for the update on the Gudgel reunion. If the airfares don't go down like the usually do about this time in this part of the country, then it doesn't look good for me being able to attend. But I'd like to suggest that anyone with a good digital camera take lots of photos. If these can be made into very small jpg files maybe we could share them between those of us who'd like to see them plus maybe put the larger (and better detailed) files of them on the Gudgel web site. I suggest changing those that will be shared via e-mail into small files because my computer locks up with large files above 900kb. I sincerely hope you all have a wonderful gathering. I appreciate that you've gone to all the work to do this. Isn't it a miracle of technology that the internet and my brother, Bob, has made this all possible. If I don't make it to the reunion, you can bet on me pulling up to your doorstep in my camper some day for dinner. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Juanita Diorio" Subject: Request for Web Sites Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:21:59 -0400 Hello Everyone, Dianne Gudgel-Holmes has made a great suggestion! She was thinking of a = valuable bit of information that could be passed along at the Gudgel = Gathering taking place in about in two weeks, but which would also be = helpful in the future for each of us on the Gudgel e-mail group........ Do you have web sites that you have found to be particularly helpful in = doing genealogical research on the internet? If so......would you = please write them down in an e-mail including the type of data that is = found there. If you send the info to me at jdiorio@voyager.net I will = compile it to take to our Oct. 4-5 weekend, and then pass it along to = all on the list. Thanks to Dianne for her suggestion and to you for any help you can = give, Juanita Gudgel Diorio From: "Connie Phillips" Subject: Fw: Update Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:20:44 -0400 Cousins: We just received this update from Texas. Reverned Henry Hartberg, = husband of the late Geraldine Gudgel Hartberg, passed this morning about = 8 am. (He is a uncle of ours) I will send the details and obituary when = I have more information. I know the burial will be in Illinois with his = wife, but now sure when. Connie G Phillips Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: Update Good Morning, Daddy passed away this morning at 8:00 am. We'll let you know more = about funeral and Illinois trip once we have time to make the plans. We are relieved that he is no longer struggling with his body, and that = as he said yesterday, "He is now home." Love, Craig From: "Carter L Combs" Subject: Eliza Gudgel Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:11:54 -0400 My wife descends from Eliza Gudgel that married John M Rice and Eliza is living with her daughter, Amanda M (Rice) Crouch in the 1850 Bath Co KY census. Eliza is listed as 47 which would place her birthdate as 1803,=20 place unknown. Inquiring if anyone has this Eliza Gudgel as a child to=20 any of the Gudgel Families you have researched. Appreciate any=20 information on Eliza. Carter Versailles, KY Subject: From Linda in Kentucky Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:17:41 -0400 Hi Folks- Gheez- it's been a long while since I have talked to you guys. I'm = sorry for that but I've just been so busy and working longer hours, etc. = On a sad note I wanted to let you know that my dear friend and cousin, = Anna Dawson Garner Manley of Bath Co., KY, passed away Thursday, = September 26th. I received an email from her nephew, Chuck Gross, on = Sunday, the day of her funeral. Anna was 89 years young to me. Some of = you may remember when we began this mail list that I had shared with you = that it was Anna that really got me going on this GUDGEL genealogy. She = wanted me to help her with her line of GUDGELL's (Andrew, Jr.). I = visited her in her home in Owingsville, Bath Co., KY and had met her in = Winchester, KY several times when I knew she would be at her son's home = for the Pioneer Days Festival held there each year. Winchester was sort = of a half-way point for each of us. She would make all sorts of = hand-crafted items all year and sell them at the Festival. And she = could do anything. Crochet, quilt, any kind of hand work and did it so = well. Anna and I had many good times together and we would talk up a = storm. She was so interested in the family history. She and I visited = many cemeteries in Bath Co. also. Anna was a daughter of Ruth Cleveland = Gudgell and Obert Anderson Garner of Bath Co, KY. I had met her son and = daughter also, even some of her grandchildren. She wrote me many cards and letters over the years and I will cherish = them always. She used to say she didn't know why she told me all these = things about herself except that one day when she was gone I could say I = knew her. Well, I did know her and I am the better for it. She had a = sweet smile and and easy laugh. She was just a fun person to be with. = I remember one time she was showing me a document of her ancestors that = was an inventory of an estate sale where each family member had to buy = whatever they wanted. She said to me..."Don't you know there was a lot = of scrapin' and fightin' going on?" It was just so comical of her. I = will truly miss Anna. Her complete obit will be published in the coming week in the local Bath = Co. News Outlook and Chuck said he would send it to me. I will submit = it to the list when I receive it. (Yes, many small towns in KY still = have only a weekly paper : ) In less than 48 hours the GUDGEL GATHERING will be happening! I can = hardly wait. I'm having the hardest time trying to decide what to take. = Folks, you have to understand that some of my research is very = organized and some of it is yet to be done. I think my collections = outgrew my time a long time ago. I know where everything is but......I = suppose we all have a bit of that in us. One of these days when I = retire maybe I can improve on it. As I have been going through and = selecting what I want to take I have been thinking about things I want = to ask, research problems I want to discuss, documents I want to share, = experiences I want to talk about, and all kinds of things. I just wish = all of you could be there. My husband, Gary is going also. He isn't = really interested in genealogy but he didn't want me going by myself. = Isn't he sweet? He'll surely find something to do with others who may = be also tagging along. Anyway, we owe a big thank you to Juanita Diorio = for pulling this together. She has spent a lot of time organizing this = and looks like we will have about 30 in attendance. We'll let you know = how it goes when we get back. Will talk to you soon, Linda, from Kentucky beautiful early fall weather. Can't get any better than this for me! From wegudgel@juno.com Sun Oct 6 20:30:18 2002 To: bgudgel@eskimo.com Subject: New GUDGEL's for the Gudgel-list Hi Bob, Hope everything is well with you and your family. At the GUDGEL Gathering in Gibson Co., IN, I met several new Gudgel's. Two of these Gudgel's are relatively new to the Internet and e-mail and did not seem to understand how they should contact you could add their names to the Gudgel list so they asked me to contact you for them. Their Line is: Andrew, Sr., Daniel, Mahlon, Stephen, John, Mabel GUDGEL DARNOLD, George Edwards, Joan & Shirley. Their names and e-mail addresses are: Joan EWARDS FOWLER golffowlerrig@juno.com Shirl EDWARDS WALKER sbeerywalk@aol.com There are few others that are comfortable with the Internet that also said they would contact you to get their names added to the Gudgel-list. As soon as I recover from the long and wonderful weekend at the Gudgel Gathering, I will send more information. I thought you would like to know that many of your current Gudgel-list subscribers really bragged about how the Gudgel-list has helped them to find other Gudgel's and how they appreciated what you have done with the list and the Web site. Because of this bragging, all of the Gudgel decedents that were new to us are intending to contact you about getting on the list. Thanks for your efforts Bob. Keep up the GOOD work. Have a great weekend, Bill Gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel Gathering- Ocotber 4, 5 & 6, 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:17:23 -0400 Hi Folks- Well, the first ever Gudgel Gathering is now history and it was = wonderful. Juanita Diorio and Reba Benson really put together a first = class get-together. I will forever be indebted to them both. Gary and I left KY late Friday morning and it rained hard all the way to = Indiana but it cleared and we couldn't have asked for better weather the = rest of the weekend. It was perfect. We checked into our room about = 2:30 p.m. at the Hampton Inn and there was a folder about the Gudgel = Gathering awaiting us in our room along with a plate of fresh fruit. = These gals thought of everything! The folder contained an itinerary for = the weekend, maps, cute genealogy poems, etc. I was very impressed by = this thoughtfulness upon our arrival. Juanita said later that it was called a Gudgel Gathering instead of a = reunion since we had never gotten together before. And she was right! = I had never actually met any of these cousins in person but I knew 6 or = 8 from previous correspondence and emails over the years. And it was = just like we had known each other forever! I believe we all felt a = common bond and that's what made it so special. We were family. And = Juanita kept us in line with her little bell to get our attention. = We've decided that one of the strong genes of this group is the ablity = to talk : ) My head is still spinning from all the sharing of data, copies, = documents, conversations, etc. It was so nice to put a face with a name = for a change. Friday night we just got acquainted and a few brought = their research. Saturay morning we went to the gravesite of our old = Andrew and they were right- it was literally in the middle of a = cornfield. A path had been cleared for us so that made things easy. I = think we all felt a little sad that the cemetery area hasn't been = maintained very well. But to know I have been there and walked the same = land that my old Andrew walked is very special to me. We will have some = great pictures to share. We left there and went to Clark Cemetery also = where a lot of GUDGEL's are buried. Saturday afternoon we met again at the hotel to get into some heavy = discussions and share information. Everyone pulled out their best = stuff. We had fax machines, copiers, scanners, computers,... you name = it. It still amazes me to think how many people, how many hours, how = many copies and collections have gone into this family research. It was = so good to really get face to face with these cousins and discuss our = thoughts, ask our questions, debate our issues. It's that common bond = of our wanting to know. Saturday night we had a wonderful family style meal at the Log Inn. I = think I counted 49 there for the meal. It was family style and they = just passed the platters and bowls--just like down home eating. A = number of those were local descendants who came to join us. And we had = entertainment by Myrna Reynolds of CT. Her mother was a GUDGEL. Myrna = had 2 cousins who joined her in leading the singing. Those singing = talents didn't get passed down into my lines unfortunately. So when = dinner was over they all joined us at the hotel for a sing along where = everyone could get into the act. The Hotel staff didn't seem to mind = and we had a grand time. By now I was running on very little sleep and = packing extra bags under my eyes. Sunday morning we got together for breakfast at the hotel and we = lingered a while longer--seems no one really wanted to leave. What a = wonderful weekend we had. I feel a very special bond with everyone who = made the effort to be there. It was truly an opportunity of a lifetime = for me. I believe I counted 9 or 10 states that were represented in = this Gathering on Saturday. This Gathering will be cherished by me for = the rest of my days. I think I slept a good part of the way home. So = exhausted, but I wanted to savor every minute. Thank you to all who planned, participated, or had anything to do with = this at all. It was truly wonderful. Linda, from Kentucky From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel Gathering Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:19:04 -0400 In answer to Robert Gudgel's question: Gudgel's attending the Gathering this weekend were from Kentucky, = Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Connecticut, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota and = New York. =20 That's nine. Someone let us know if I forgot one. =20 I think some of the cousins were going on to other places so it may be a = few days before we hear from them. For those who have arrived home already--let us hear from you. Some of the folks attending: Paulette (Turpin) Salemie William, Abraham, Della Princeton, IN Linda Reynolds Fulton William, Abraham, Della, Marsova Reynolds Fort Branch, IN Jennette Gudgel William, Andrew, John Franklin, Jesse, = John Clinton St. Paul, Minnesota Jean Waterfill Jacob, Elijah, Amanda Gudgel = Crossfield, Marina Mizner, Nora Waterfill Henryville, IN Linda Gudgel Finnell & Gary Jacob, Elijah, Jacob, Allie, = Samuel, Norman Versailles, KY William E. Gudgel Abraham, Sr., Abraham, William Stephen, = William Edward, Jesse Evansville, IN Mia K. Fleegle John, Andrew, David Milton, Phoebee = Ellen, Lawrence D. Adkins, Richard Wayne Adkins Skaneateles, New York Pat Agnew & Marion Abraham, Abraham Jr., Elizabeth Ann Gudgel Mooresville, IN Myrna Reynolds William, Abraham, Della, Travis Reynolds West Hartford, CT Linda L. Fulton Wiliam, Abrahm, Ora Joseph Fort Brank, IN Juanito Gudgel Diorio William, Abraham, Ora = Joseph Kettering, OH Elizabeth Gudgell & dau., Sally Youngblood Daniel, = Mahlon, Stephen, William, Homer Streator, IL Reba Benson William, Abraham, Ora Joseph, Rebecca Owensville, IN Ron Woodfill and Mrs. Woodfill Female line from Andrew, Catherine Marblehead, OH Maxine Gudgel Stout Daniel, Mahlon, Stephen, John, Harry Kaiser, MO Helen Gudgel Sites Daniel, Mahlon, Stephen, John, = Harry Roilla, MO Terri (Stout) Montigny Daniel, Mahlon, Stephen, John, = Harry, Maxine=20 Blacklick, OH Shirl (Shirley) Edwards Walker and Mr. Walker Daniel, Mahlon, = Stephen, John, Mabel Gudgel Edwards, Darnold, George Shawnee, KS Donna Whitehead William, Abrahm, Della Gudgel = Reynolds, Pauline Reynolds Turpin. Princeton, IN Jana Whitehead William, Abraham, Della Gudgel = Reynolds, Pauline Reynolds Turpin Evansville, IN Ardath Potts and John John, Andrew, David, Jessie Lewton, = Mabel Fleer. Qunicy, IL And there were many more local descendants who met with us on Saturday = night for the evening meal. As you can see there were many descendants = from William, Abrahm and Daniel's lines. These names and addresses were = gathered throughout the weekend and a list distributed before we = departed on Sunday. Hope I didn't leave someone out. Okay- let's hear from some others who were there. Linda From: "Juanita Diorio" Subject: A Recap of the Gudgel Gathering Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:20:55 -0400 Dear Cousins, This Gudgel Gathering recap is being sent to all e-mail cousins. Those = who missed our weekend together missed a golden opportunity. Am I = making you sad? It's okay ...... There will be another opportunity in a = couple of years! If you had joined us in Gibson County, Indiana, this first weekend of = October, you would have left with a new understanding of the Gudgels of = the past, but perhaps more significantly, you would have experienced a = close bond with the cousins who were there. We became, truly, a FAMILY. = How beautiful! There were about 51 who joined us at one time or another (including a = sprinkling of welcome spouses and friends). We will all be passing = along photos and Gudgel data in the coming weeks and months. They will = appear on our Gudgel-list, our Gudgel Connections newsletter, or on our = website. For now, I'll summarize by saying that you can be proud of your Gudgel = roots. Our ancestors gave a great gift to us through their courage, = their ingenuity, and their industry. They experienced harships during = their adventuresome lives. We are the benificiaries. They were movers = and shakers, those Gudgels! Their genes have passed to us. We, the = Gudgels of today, have the opportunity to have a positive impact in our = time. Let's continue to build lives that our descendants can look upon = with pride! Enjoy discovering your roots. Enjoy each day's opportunity to make a = difference in your world. Enjoy life! Have a Happy Fall, Juanita Diorio From: "Juanita Diorio" Subject: A Recap of the Gudgel Gathering Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:20:55 -0400 From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hello Cousins, I too have just returned from one of the greatest weekends I have experienced. Obviously I am talking about the GUDGEL Gathering in Princeton, IN. Juanita Gudgel Diorio AND Reba Benson were the best of the best hosts. They planned and put into action things in great detail, things that the most of us had not even thought about. They were the perfect hosts. THANK YOU LADIES ... you are both greatly appreciated. WOW what a fantastic GUDGEL Gathering it was. We talked (a lot), we laughed, we told jokes, we shared documents, we shared family history, we told then retold family folklore and where possible we helped each other substantiate family folklore with sources, we shared Gudgel current events, and we took a filed trip to Andrew's Grave Site. It was absolutely fantastic to meet in person members of our family that I had previously only talked to by e-mail through the Gudgel-list, and then to meet other Gudgel's that I previously did not know. I even met a cousin, Jana Whitehead (William & Lucinda's line) who lives right here in Evansville, IN. For me, the second greatest part of the Gathering was when we got together to share GUDGEL documents and then listen to the history of those documents. There was extreme excitement when receiving documents from other family members. Especially documents that you had no idea existed and now were being freely passed between cousins. It was like watching (and experiencing) the excitement of a child opening a Special Christmas Present. It was FANTASTIC!!! Even though our family is so diverse that you could probably name a profession and one of us has done that, yet there are still also obvious common attributes that we all share. Sadly the Gudgel Gathering ended all to soon but it did spark a desire for more gatherings. In fact, I overheard some that were already discussing where and possibly when. I am looking forward to the next Gudgel Gathering. BTW ... I hope to include photographs in the next Issue of the GUDGEL Family Connections. If you have photographs that you would like to share, please contact me. Your Cousin, Bill Gudgel in Evansville, IN From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:04:35 2002 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA14635; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:03:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:03:41 -0700 From: Bob Gudgel Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200210081703.KAA28723@eskimo.com> To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: gudgel gathering... Resent-Message-ID: <"qc9_z.0.ca3.j_mez"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2497 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Well, I was not able to go to the Gudgel gathering and really hope to go to the next one. I've been working 7 days a week lately at the new startup company here in Arlington, WA. Did you guys get a big family picture at the gathering ? I know they are sometimes hard to arrange. Any pictures you would lilke to share, I ould love to see, and will put them up on the gudgel website. If you have any, please email them to me at bgudgel@eskimo.com instead of posting to the list. I can't wait ! boB PS I REALLY wish I could have gone to this wonderful event ! Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:04:12 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: Re: Gudgel Gathering Wow Linda, that was great the way you broke it all out. And I never knew where many on the 'list' lived. I think I'll plan our cross country retirement/vacation to match up where folks live (especially those with spare bedrooms). Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > In answer to Robert Gudgel's question: Gudgel's attending the From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" Subject: Gudgel Gathering Musings Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:10:30 -0500 Hello Cousins................ What a weekend! And the impact of the experience is building even now that I am home! Linda Gudgel Finnell gave you a wonderful run down of the = weekend.........so I won't repeat it.........just know I ditto all her sentiments. --I was surprised at the number of us..........and particularly the = number of local cousins. (people from a 200 mile radius)........I am impressed that so many of = Old Andrew's children stayed in the general area. --I knew we had a half a dozen or so "real" geneologists in the = family.........and I expected to be a little intimidated by them...........instead, I just got caught up = in their enthusiasm! --Watching Mia and Terri do the rubbings of Old Andrew's grave stone = was, for me, something of a spiritual experience..........to watch the names and dates "come to = life". --The willingness of everyone to share was just wonderful........."Would = you like a copy of....." was to be heard all Saturday afternoon. --"I thought I was the only Gudgel" echoed over and over.=20 --To work the "one at a time" photocopier with Juanita, and in the = process learn what a wealth of knowledge she has..........we really kept that copier humming and I = learned a bunch! --The food at the Log Inn was amazing. Fried chicken like we had at = family picnics when I was a child. (Minnesotans don't cook like that!) --At dinner I sat next to the Teals. They still farm Old Andrew's land = (plus much more).=20 _________________ I had the the advantage of staying over until Monday..........My = grandparents grew up in Hazelton and Vincinnes--just north of Princeton. I worshiped at the = church where my great grandfather (on the other side) was an elder at the turn of the = century, and saw the nursery founded by my great great grandfather. =20 Considering the fact that I have moved 37 times in my life, and there = were no relatives in any of the new locations, this trip had a tremendous impact to me, = personally. So many thanks to Juanita and Reba for an experience I shall never = forget. -jennette gudgel From: myrnareynolds@att.net Subject: New/Old Cousins Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:23:29 +0000 Dear Gudgel Cousins, For all of my life, I thought that my Gudgel relatives lived only in Gibson County, Indiana, with the exception of one who lived in Evansville, and perhaps two I'd heard about who were daughters of my Great Uncle Joe in Dayton. Lo and Get Hold! We're all over the place, and I'm thrilled to know so many of you now. My Trips to Bountiful are always too short, too crammed with too many things to do with too many people in too many places. This past weekend was no exception. Although I've lived on the East Coast for 36 years, I still own my family farm in Fort Branch, and I've always kept one foot in Gibson County, Indiana. I regret missing the activities at the cemetary and those later at the hotel when the historical documents were flying and the copy machines were apparently hot. However, my heart is warm and my spirits are soaring just knowing about the connection we all have with each other. Being together in the same room with so many of my Gibson County cousins was good, too. The last time we were together was at Aunt Paulean's (Reynolds Turpin Berlien) funeral a couple of years ago. She was the magic glue which held us all together. As I said at the Log Inn, I feel as if I am cheating on a test which I didn't study for. So many gifted minds presented such historical information, and I just rode in on the jacket covers of those well researched books. I am in awe of the depth of the research that you've done. Thank you so very much for giving me such a deep understanding of our history. It's something I've wondered about for years, but never took the time to dig up, as so many of you have. I'm grateful for the information I took away from the weekend, and very proud to be in such sophisticated company. I offer my thanks to many of you for giving me this gift. Thank you Juanita from the bottom of my heart. My father loved his Uncle Joe so much. I believe they were kindred spirits. After all these years, I'm so pleased to become acquainted with you. The weekend was filled with careful planning for so many good things, and much of it is to your credit. Reba, you've always been dear to my heart, and I hope our visit this past weekend will assure our closer association. Thank you very much for all that you did in preparation for our pleasure. I'm still grateful to Floral for her advice when Daddy died. She said "Keep the farm. Oh, you could probably make more money if you sold it and put that money in the bank. But then you might say, 'I think I'll take a vacation', and there'd go $5,000. Or, 'I think I'd like to have a new car, and there'd go $25,000 or so. If you keep it, you'll always have it." So I did. Lots of people have given me plenty of advice during my lifetime, but I valued your mother's sensible attitude and her caring nature. She gave me about the best advice I ever got. She knew what she was talking about. Now, I know that the Gudgel farm sensibilities go waaaaaay back. Donna, you're always a lot of fun. Thanks for getting me connected with the group for this gathering. Without your e mails and encouragement, I'd have been up here in Connecticut, counting my weight watcher points instead of stealing the pulley bones from you and slathering them with gravy, as we did as kids. Jennette mentioned that she sat by Johnny and Karen Teal at the Log Inn. Johnny was my Sunday School teacher, but I didn't know he was my cousin, too. I'm sure that somewhere in this six degrees of separation which we all share is the impetus for the lyrics to the song, "I'm My Own Grandpa". Linda Finnell, if it was your idea for all of us to get together, I really admire your creative thinking. What a good idea! I have so much to think about, write about, and savor. My son, Tyler, will be the recipient of as much of our history as I can glean from this past weekend and any other information which I can gather in years to come. Thank you all so much for such a good memory. I look forward to hearing from each of you, and if you plan to be in the Hartford area, well, I'll leave the light on for you. Together we can visit Mark Twain, Noah Webster, see our country's first jail (grim), share a New England lobster dinner, a walk in the leaves, or all of the above. Fondly, Myrna Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:13:10 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: tmontigny@earthlink.net Subject: Re: gudgel gathering What talent you have! Did you really write this? Wonderful. More, more please. Dianne G-H Terri Montigny wrote: > > > Off to the Gudgel Gathering I go > > What I will discover, I do not know > > No other Gudgel’s, that’s what they said > > Only our line, the others are dead. > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />What a surprise, when I > walked thru the door > > Not one or two, but dozens or more > > Each as nice as you’d want them to be > > All belonging to my family tree > > We hug and we laughed and stayed up all night. > > Leaving on Sunday was really a fight. > > Memories recalled and memories made > > Our connections to our past will not fade > > Love to all – Terri Montigny 2002 - Daniel's line PS: Juanita and > Reba, you put on a great weekend! Thank you. Terri > Montignytmontigny@earthlink.net http://www.fivegudgelsisters.org From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Prince Bible Records Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:31:15 -0400 Hi Folks- I'm wondering about these Prince Bible Records that were in the latest = issue of the GUDGEL(L) Connections newsletter. Can someone place Albert = GUDGEL for me? I have several Albert GUDGEL's with no spouse listed. Gary and I will be leaving Saturday a.m. for Pigeon Forge, TN for a week = with my 2 brothers (Sam and Windy) and several cousins on my mother's = side. We have a chalet in Pigeon Forge where we met 2 years ago. They = will be coming from OH, FL and MA. My oldest brother, Sam, is making a = career change and moving to Sierra Vista, AZ and the moving van is = leaving MA this a.m. He will meet up wth the van in AZ after visiting = with us in TN. So this is a good time to say our goodbyes before he = takes off. You can bet I'll take my pictures and memories of the reunion. They = want to know all about it. So keep things rolling here. I'll catch up when I return. >From Linda in Kentucky raining and cooler here. From: "Carter L Combs" Subject: Gudgells of Bath Co Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:30:35 -0400 Hi I am new to the list and am searching for my wife's POSSIBLE Gudgell = Family. She descends from Amanda Melvina Rice, m. Thomas Crouch in Bath = Co in 1843. An Eliza Rice is living with them in the 1850 Bath Co = Census and based on her age of 47 would probably have her born abt 1803. = We believe that Amanda may be the d/o John M Rice and Eliza Gudgell. = Has anyone researched the Gudgells of Bath Co and have a listing of the = children of the Gudgell families? I live in the same town as Linda. Carter Versailles, KY 1850 Bath Co Census 126 479 479 Thomas Crouch 28 M Farmer 1000 KY C620 27 479 479=20 Melvina Crouch 21 F KY X C620 28 479 479=20 Martha E. Crouch 6 F KY X C620 29 479 479=20 Margaret A. Crouch 4 F KY C620 30 479 479 Caroline A. Crouch 2 F KY C620 31 479 479=20 Sarah I. Crouch 1/12 F KY C620 32 479 479=20 Eliza A. Rice 47 F KY From lfinnell@infi.net Fri Oct 11 19:14:36 2002 Subject: Fw: Obituary of Anna Dawson Manley Below is the obituary of Anna Manley that was sent to me by her nephew, Chuck Gross, of Marietta, GA. It appeared in the Bath County News-Outlook, week of October 3-10, 2002. Linda Anna D.G. Manley, 89, of Owingsville, passes away Anna Dawson Garner Manley, age 89, of Sherman Court, in Owingsville, passed away Thursday, September 26, 2002, at the Clark County Regional Hospital, in, Winchester. She was born January 10, 1913, to the late Obert Garner and the late Ruth Gudgell Garner. She was a the widow of Ambrose Burton Manley, a retired Cowden Manufacturing employee, and a member of the Slate Valley Christian Church. Survivors are: one daughter, Katy Whitton, of Owingsville; one son, A.B. Manley, of Winchester; one granddaughter, Annita Heath, of Owingsville; three grandsons: Johnny Whitton, also of Owingsville; Geoffrey Manley; and Justin Manley, both of Lexington; three great‑grandchildren; one sister, Naoma Craycraft, of Owingsville; several nieces and nephews; and a special great‑grandson, Tanner Whitton. Funeral services were held Sunday, September 29, 2002, at 2:00, burial was in the Barber Cemetery, at Slate Valley. Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:54:04 EDT From: Mercury430@aol.com ---------------------------------------- From Agnew I thought Ron told me that he was from Michigan but our list shows him from Ohio. Does anyone else remember hearing Michigan on Friday night? Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:00:03 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: [Fwd: (no subject)] A short report of the gudgel reunion more properly gudgeo/sevedge in Chowchilla CA in August, It is held at Marion Harris home on the edge of Chowchilla. Pretty good turnout from it's heyday when about 125 would turn out. Hi Cousin Doyle.. Its getting rather late, but seems I never have time to sit down and send E-mail notes. The older I get, I think the busier I am. Maybe we just get slower and it just takes longer to accomplish our tasks!!!! Aunt " Tootsie" called this morning , rather yesterday, and she said you would like a report on our family reunion this past August. I am so sorry you and your family could not attend. I think it was the best , in fun, and attendance we have had in many years. We had 99 family members present. As your letter Dot and I put out said: We would provide the food, if everybody would just GET THERE. Dot cooked a WHOLE BUNCH of beef roast, so tender the meat fell apart!! We served baked beans, salad , and rolls. Everybody really enjoyed just being able to attend, and not have to worry about lugging food from their homes. I told them if they wanted something similar next year, they had better dish out the money, 'cause our money pot was empty.. They were all very generous, and we collected about $300.00 . We hope to do as well next time. ( with the food) Every one , as far as I know , are doing well. down here. Dot, Ronnie and I try to meet with Marion each Friday morning down town to have breakfast with him. He enjoys and looks forward each week to our breakfast together. He still does not talk, and is more or less confined to his wheel chair, It is such a pitiful situation. Gotta go.. Every body is asleep around here . Let us hear from you via E-mail. Sincerely Mutt (Caboose) Dots E-mail: pokadot@bigvalley.net Mutt E-mail BLThiel2@AOL.com Ronnie: I'll send later. Don't have it in front of me just now. bye bye As far as I know, nobody took pictures. If I find someone who did, I will try to get some for you. From: Bob Gudgel Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reunions... (and pictures) Does anybody nhave a picture or two of the Gudgel gathering that I could put on the Gudgel web site? It would be great! Too bad there weren't any pictures from the Chowchilla reunion. I do have one on the site from a few years ago though... thanks, bob From: "Bo and Terri Merchant" Subject: Another Gudgel Found Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 08:44:40 -0400 My name is Terri Gudgel Merchant. I currently reside in Newnan Georgia. Born in Indiana in 1954. Parents are Denzel and Ruth Ann Gudgel, = Fortville IN. Aunt is JoAnn Gudgel Hatcher, Ft Wayne, IN. Uncle is = Donald Gudgel, Muncie IN. Grandparent was Jesse & Mable Gudgel. Great Aunt was Edna Gudgel = Vail...both of McCordsville/Fortville IN. Farmers Sister: Cherly Gudgel Patterson, Louisville KY Brother: Ronald Dean Gudgel Richmond VA 1st Cousin: David Gudgel Albequerqe NM, Dennis Gudgel Chicago ILL. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Welcome to Terri Gudgel Merchant Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:24:50 -0400 Terri- Welcome to the GUDGEL(L) mail list! We're always glad to find more = "cousins". I have checked my database and have several Jesse = GUDGEL(L)'s but none with a spouse named Mable. Can you tell us = anything about one more generation back? What was Mable's maiden name? = =20 Can someone place Terri's line correctly for us? Hope we will be = hearing more from Terri. I am back from my Tennesse Smokey Mountain trip and think I'm ready to = stay home a while , but it's always good to get together with family. = We had a great time. I had many, many emails waiting for me so I'm trying to catch up now. BTW, Bob- I just took my photos from the Gudgel Gathering to be = developed. Hope I got some good ones. More later, Linda From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re. Another Gudgel Found Welcome to the Gudgel list Terri (and Bo) ! I was born in 1954 too ! In fact, my 30th high school reunion is tonight ! And Linda, thanks for any pictures I can get ! See ya-all later ! boB Everett, WA From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gudgel photos I just received some photos of the back east reunion from Juanita and Wm. E. thank you ! I'll put these up on the gudgel site in the next day or so. Much appreciated !! bob gudgel From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Obituary of William Henry GUDGEL Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:39:11 -0400 Thanks to Robert Gudgel for scanning a copy of this to me this week. = With his permission I am submitting this for the list to share. I = believe he said he ran across it an an old Bible he had. (There are = edges of this clipping that are missing so I will submit what is = readable. My data says he died December 11, 1905 I also noted in my = data that he had been married to a Lucy Potts. Was she the mother of = these children? What happened to Lucy Potts? The article also lists a = brother as Lewis W. GUDGEL, of Princeton.....I believe it should be = Levin Wilson GUDGEL. Would appreciate some input from others of this = line. He was the son of Andrew GUDGEL and Elvira WALLACE).=20 Thanks again, Mr. Gudgel. =20 W.H.. GUDGEL Former Evansville Attorney Who Died In Washington Was Held in High = Esteem. Sad Features of Demise The Willapa Harbor Pilot, published at South Bend, Wash., a copy of = which has been received, gives details concerning the sudden death there = on December 11 of Attorney W.H. Gudgel, a former well known and = prominent citizen of Evansville. =20 Mr. Gudgel was found Sunday evening sitting on the steps of the stairway = leading to his office in South Bend, suffering from an attack of heart = failure. Passersby asked him what was the matter and he responded he = could not get his breath. Physicians were hastily summoned but he was = dead when when they reached him. He had suffered several previous = attacks and had said to his friends that he knew the end was not far = away. The respect and esteem in which Mr. Gudgel was held in his new home in = the Northwest is shown in the following excerpt from the paper referred = to: William H. Gudgel was born in Gibson Co., Ind. in 1847, and was 58 years = of age at the time of his death. In January, 1864, he enlisted in Co. H = of the 143rd regiment, Indiana Volunteers, being then only 16 years of = age, and his service terminated in November of the same year with the = end of the war. He was both a college and law school graduate and = practiced his profession for many years in Evansville, Indiana, where he = served for several successive terms as prosecuting attorney of = Vanderburgh County, of which Evansville is the county seat, and where he = was at one time honored by his party's nomination for congressional = honors. He came to this place in March, 1900, and he practiced law here = since that time. During that time he has been connected with cases of considerable = magnitude and had been generally successful in his practice. On Judge = Rice's accession to the superior bench, he appointed Mr. Gudgel his = Court Commissioner at this place and he creditably filled that position = up to the time of his death. He joined Fremont Post, G.A.R., soon after = his arrival here and held official positions in that body during his = residence here, being Senior Vice Commander at the time of his death. = His political bias was Republican and he..... He leaves an aged father, who has twice visited him for several months = on this place; two brothers Lewis W. Gudgel, an attorney at Princeton, = Ind., and James E. Gudgel, a physician of Cynthiana, Ind., also 3 sons = and a daughter of the same state. On the morning following his death, C.E. Huson telegraphed the two = brothers of the sad news and asked instructions. The reply was received = Tuesday morning in which they said the deceased had expressed a desire = to them that he might, when the time came, be buried in his adopted = home. The funeral, which occurred at 10 a.m. Wednesday, was held under the = auspices of Fremont Post, G.A.R., of which the deceased was an honored = member and officer, assisted by the W.R.C. and the beautiful and = impressive ritual service of the order was observed at the grave. Rev. = R.D. Snyder, of the M.E. Church, conducted the funeral service at = Cameron's Chapel assisted by Rev. R.C. Day, of the Congregational = Church. The pall-bearers were members of the local bar and were Senator J.T. = Welsh, M.C. Welsh, Judge Sol Smith, Judge C.E. Miller, John I. O'Phelan = and Wallace L. Turney. As all relatives of the deceased are residents = of the far East, there were no mourners, outside the Grand Army post, = except Miss Minnie H. Hazzard, of Chehalis, the deceased's fiancee, who = had Mr. Gudgel lived, would have been his wife in a short time. Despite = the lateness of the season, there were many floral offerings. Superior Judge A.E. Rice of Chalis, F.W. Kirsch, of Lebam, and W.R. = Marion of Bay Center, were among those who attended the funeral from a = distance. Despite the distance, the inclemency of the day and the condition of the = road, a large number in addition to the members of the Post, testified = their respect for the deceased by following the remains to Odd Fellow's = Cemetery, where they were interred. Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 06:05:59 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Obituary of William Henry GUDGEL This is correct. If you still have the material I sent you you will find his Army and Pension records. However I think there are some minor errors in the obit. He was Prosecuting attorney for only one term. He also was divorced. See the military records. I assume he went to South Bend Washington because of his unhappy life there in Evanston for some reason. South Bend was about the end of the world in those days. I have pictures of his grave stone in the Odd Fellows cemetery I think it was. I gave a complete story. The obituary I used was from a different paper. I would really like to know which Bible the obituary came from as I didn't have much information about his personal life. The paper I had said he dropped dead on the sidewalk. I went to South Bend and looked up the building and place where he died. I talked to a woman in a Museum there who saw him as a child. He was overweight and the kids used to taunt him she said. Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Thanks to Robert Gudgel for scanning a copy of this to me this week. > With his permission I am submitting this for the list to share. I > believe he said he ran across it an an old Bible he had. (There are > edges of this clipping that are missing so I will submit what is > readable. My data says he died December 11, 1905 I also noted in my > data that he had been married to a Lucy Potts. Was she the mother of > these children? What happened to Lucy Potts? The article also lists > a brother as Lewis W. GUDGEL, of Princeton.....I believe it should be > Levin Wilson GUDGEL. Would appreciate some input from others of this > line. He was the son of Andrew GUDGEL and Elvira WALLACE). > Thanks again, Mr. Gudgel. > > > W.H.. GUDGEL > > Former Evansville Attorney Who Died In Washington Was Held in High Esteem. > > Sad Features of Demise > > The Willapa Harbor Pilot, published at South Bend, Wash., a copy of > which has been received, gives details concerning the sudden death > there on December 11 of Attorney W.H. Gudgel, a former well known and > prominent citizen of Evansville. > > Mr. Gudgel was found Sunday evening sitting on the steps of the > stairway leading to his office in South Bend, suffering from an attack > of heart failure. Passersby asked him what was the matter and he > responded he could not get his breath. Physicians were hastily > summoned but he was dead when when they reached him. He had suffered > several previous attacks and had said to his friends that he knew the > end was not far away. > > The respect and esteem in which Mr. Gudgel was held in his new home in > the Northwest is shown in the following excerpt from the paper > referred to: > > William H. Gudgel was born in Gibson Co., Ind. in 1847, and was 58 > years of age at the time of his death. In January, 1864, he enlisted > in Co. H of the 143rd regiment, Indiana Volunteers, being then only 16 > years of age, and his service terminated in November of the same year > with the end of the war. He was both a college and law school > graduate and practiced his profession for many years in Evansville, > Indiana, where he served for several successive terms as prosecuting > attorney of Vanderburgh County, of which Evansville is the county > seat, and where he was at one time honored by his party's nomination > for congressional honors. He came to this place in March, 1900, and > he practiced law here since that time. > > During that time he has been connected with cases of considerable > magnitude and had been generally successful in his practice. On Judge > Rice's accession to the superior bench, he appointed Mr. Gudgel his > Court Commissioner at this place and he creditably filled that > position up to the time of his death. He joined Fremont Post, G.A.R., > soon after his arrival here and held official positions in that body > during his residence here, being Senior Vice Commander at the time of > his death. His political bias was Republican and he..... > > He leaves an aged father, who has twice visited him for several months > on this place; two brothers Lewis W. Gudgel, an attorney at Princeton, > Ind., and James E. Gudgel, a physician of Cynthiana, Ind., also 3 sons > and a daughter of the same state. > > On the morning following his death, C.E. Huson telegraphed the two > brothers of the sad news and asked instructions. The reply was > received Tuesday morning in which they said the deceased had expressed > a desire to them that he might, when the time came, be buried in his > adopted home. > > The funeral, which occurred at 10 a.m. Wednesday, was held under the > auspices of Fremont Post, G.A.R., of which the deceased was an honored > member and officer, assisted by the W.R.C. and the beautiful and > impressive ritual service of the order was observed at the grave. > Rev. R.D. Snyder, of the M.E. Church, conducted the funeral service at > Cameron's Chapel assisted by Rev. R.C. Day, of the Congregational Church. > > The pall-bearers were members of the local bar and were Senator J.T. > Welsh, M.C. Welsh, Judge Sol Smith, Judge C.E. Miller, John I. > O'Phelan and Wallace L. Turney. As all relatives of the deceased are > residents of the far East, there were no mourners, outside the Grand > Army post, except Miss Minnie H. Hazzard, of Chehalis, the deceased's > fiancee, who had Mr. Gudgel lived, would have been his wife in a short > time. Despite the lateness of the season, there were many floral > offerings. > > Superior Judge A.E. Rice of Chalis, F.W. Kirsch, of Lebam, and W.R. > Marion of Bay Center, were among those who attended the funeral from a > distance. > > Despite the distance, the inclemency of the day and the condition of > the road, a large number in addition to the members of the Post, > testified their respect for the deceased by following the remains to > Odd Fellow's Cemetery, where they were interred. > > > > > > Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:36:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Obituary of William Henry GUDGEL From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hi Linda, Here is a thought about the Photo you sent Bob and Me of Andrew, taken in 1896. Was the photo found in or with the same family Bible that William Henry's Obit was found in? Like Doyal said, knowing who the original owner of the Bible was might be a strong clue. I may suggest which Andrew the photo is of. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:39:11 -0400 "Linda Gudgel Finnell" writes: > Thanks to Robert Gudgel for scanning a copy of this to me this week. > With his permission I am submitting this for the list to share. I > believe he said he ran across it in an old Bible he had. (There are > edges of this clipping that are missing so I will submit what is > readable. My data says he died December 11, 1905 I also noted in > my data that he had been married to a Lucy Potts. Was she the > mother of these children? What happened to Lucy Potts? The article > also lists a brother as Lewis W. GUDGEL, of Princeton.....I believe > it should be Levin Wilson GUDGEL. Would appreciate some input from > others of this line. He was the son of Andrew GUDGEL and Elvira > WALLACE). > Thanks again, Mr. Gudgel. > > > W.H.. GUDGEL > > Former Evansville Attorney Who Died In Washington Was Held in High > Esteem. > > Sad Features of Demise > > The Willapa Harbor Pilot, published at South Bend, Wash., a copy of > which has been received, gives details concerning the sudden death > there on December 11 of Attorney W.H. Gudgel, a former well known > and prominent citizen of Evansville. > > Mr. Gudgel was found Sunday evening sitting on the steps of the > stairway leading to his office in South Bend, suffering from an > attack of heart failure. Passersby asked him what was the matter > and he responded he could not get his breath. Physicians were > hastily summoned but he was dead when they reached him. He had > suffered several previous attacks and had said to his friends that > he knew the end was not far away. > > The respect and esteem in which Mr. Gudgel was held in his new home > in the Northwest is shown in the following excerpt from the paper > referred to: > > William H. Gudgel was born in Gibson Co., Ind. in 1847, and was 58 > years of age at the time of his death. In January, 1864, he > enlisted in Co. H of the 143rd regiment, Indiana Volunteers, being > then only 16 years of age, and his service terminated in November of > the same year with the end of the war. He was both a college and > law school graduate and practiced his profession for many years in > Evansville, Indiana, where he served for several successive terms as > prosecuting attorney of Vanderburgh County, of which Evansville is > the county seat, and where he was at one time honored by his party's > nomination for congressional honors. He came to this place in > March, 1900, and he practiced law here since that time. > > During that time he has been connected with cases of considerable > magnitude and had been generally successful in his practice. On > Judge Rice's accession to the superior bench, he appointed Mr. > Gudgel his Court Commissioner at this place and he creditably filled > that position up to the time of his death. He joined Fremont Post, > G.A.R., soon after his arrival here and held official positions in > that body during his residence here, being Senior Vice Commander at > the time of his death. His political bias was Republican and > he..... > > He leaves an aged father, who has twice visited him for several > months on this place; two brothers Lewis W. Gudgel, an attorney at > Princeton, Ind., and James E. Gudgel, a physician of Cynthiana, > Ind., also 3 sons and a daughter of the same state. > > On the morning following his death, C.E. Huson telegraphed the two > brothers of the sad news and asked instructions. The reply was > received Tuesday morning in which they said the deceased had > expressed a desire to them that he might, when the time came, be > buried in his adopted home. > > The funeral, which occurred at 10 a.m. Wednesday, was held under the > auspices of Fremont Post, G.A.R., of which the deceased was an > honored member and officer, assisted by the W.R.C. and the beautiful > and impressive ritual service of the order was observed at the > grave. Rev. R.D. Snyder, of the M.E. Church, conducted the funeral > service at Cameron's Chapel assisted by Rev. R.C. Day, of the > Congregational Church. > > The pall-bearers were members of the local bar and were Senator J.T. > Welsh, M.C. Welsh, Judge Sol Smith, Judge C.E. Miller, John I. > O'Phelan and Wallace L. Turney. As all relatives of the deceased > are residents of the far East, there were no mourners, outside the > Grand Army post, except Miss Minnie H. Hazzard, of Chehalis, the > deceased's fiancee, who had Mr. Gudgel lived, would have been his > wife in a short time. Despite the lateness of the season, there > were many floral offerings. > > Superior Judge A.E. Rice of Chalis, F.W. Kirsch, of Lebam, and W.R. > Marion of Bay Center, were among those who attended the funeral from > a distance. > > Despite the distance, the inclemency of the day and the condition of > the road, a large number in addition to the members of the Post, > testified their respect for the deceased by following the remains to > Odd Fellow's Cemetery, where they were interred. > > > > > > Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:33:50 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Obituary of William Henry GUDGEL Very interesting. Does anyone know what GAR stands for? I get the impression it is Grand Army something. Wonder if there are papers for joining that organization that would benefit us to retrieve? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes PS Am interested in that photo. Where will it be displayed? In the Gudgel website somewhere? Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:08:19 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson To: dianeh@corecom.net CC: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Re: Obituary of William Henry GUDGEL GAR Stands for the Grand Army Of the Republic. Union Veterans of the Civil War organized it after the war. The last one died in the 1930's. There are Sons of the GAR keeping the memory alive. I am a member of the SGAR. I haven't done anything for years however. That entitles any of my descendants to belong. Dianne Holmes wrote: >Very interesting. Does anyone know what GAR stands for? I get the >impression it is Grand Army something. Wonder if there are papers for >joining that organization that would benefit us to retrieve? >Dianne Gudgel-Holmes > >PS Am interested in that photo. Where will it be displayed? In the >Gudgel website somewhere? > >Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > > > >>Thanks to Robert Gudgel for scanning a copy of this to me this >>week. With his permission I am submitting this for the list to >>share. I believe he said he ran across it an an old Bible he had. >>(There are edges of this clipping that are missing so I will submit >>what is readable. My data says he died December 11, 1905 I also >>noted in my data that he had been married to a Lucy Potts. Was she >>the mother of these children? What happened to Lucy Potts? The >>article also lists a brother as Lewis W. GUDGEL, of Princeton.....I >>believe it should be Levin Wilson GUDGEL. Would appreciate some >>input from others of this line. He was the son of Andrew GUDGEL and >>Elvira WALLACE). Thanks again, Mr. >>Gudgel. W.H.. >>GUDGEL Former Evansville Attorney Who Died In Washington Was Held in >>High Esteem. Sad Features of >>Demise The Willapa Harbor Pilot, published at South Bend, Wash., a >>copy of which has been received, gives details concerning the sudden >>death there on December 11 of Attorney W.H. Gudgel, a former well >>known and prominent citizen of Evansville. Mr. Gudgel was found >>Sunday evening sitting on the steps of the stairway leading to his >>office in South Bend, suffering from an attack of heart failure. >>Passersby asked him what was the matter and he responded he could >>not get his breath. Physicians were hastily summoned but he was >>dead when when they reached him. He had suffered several previous >>attacks and had said to his friends that he knew the end was not far >>away. The respect and esteem in which Mr. Gudgel was held in his new >>home in the Northwest is shown in the following excerpt from the >>paper referred to: William H. Gudgel was born in Gibson Co., Ind. in >>1847, and was 58 years of age at the time of his death. In January, >>1864, he enlisted in Co. H of the 143rd regiment, Indiana >>Volunteers, being then only 16 years of age, and his service >>terminated in November of the same year with the end of the war. He >>was both a college and law school graduate and practiced his >>profession for many years in Evansville, Indiana, where he served >>for several successive terms as prosecuting attorney of Vanderburgh >>County, of which Evansville is the county seat, and where he was at >>one time honored by his party's nomination for congressional >>honors. He came to this place in March, 1900, and he practiced law >>here since that time. During that time he has been connected with >>cases of considerable magnitude and had been generally successful in >>his practice. On Judge Rice's accession to the superior bench, he >>appointed Mr. Gudgel his Court Commissioner at this place and he >>creditably filled that position up to the time of his death. He >>joined Fremont Post, G.A.R., soon after his arrival here and held >>official positions in that body during his residence here, being >>Senior Vice Commander at the time of his death. His political bias >>was Republican and he..... He leaves an aged father, who has twice >>visited him for several months on this place; two brothers Lewis W. >>Gudgel, an attorney at Princeton, Ind., and James E. Gudgel, a >>physician of Cynthiana, Ind., also 3 sons and a daughter of the same >>state. On the morning following his death, C.E. Huson telegraphed >>the two brothers of the sad news and asked instructions. The reply >>was received Tuesday morning in which they said the deceased had >>expressed a desire to them that he might, when the time came, be >>buried in his adopted home. The funeral, which occurred at 10 a.m. >>Wednesday, was held under the auspices of Fremont Post, G.A.R., of >>which the deceased was an honored member and officer, assisted by >>the W.R.C. and the beautiful and impressive ritual service of the >>order was observed at the grave. Rev. R.D. Snyder, of the M.E. >>Church, conducted the funeral service at Cameron's Chapel assisted >>by Rev. R.C. Day, of the Congregational Church. The pall-bearers >>were members of the local bar and were Senator J.T. Welsh, M.C. >>Welsh, Judge Sol Smith, Judge C.E. Miller, John I. O'Phelan and >>Wallace L. Turney. As all relatives of the deceased are residents >>of the far East, there were no mourners, outside the Grand Army >>post, except Miss Minnie H. Hazzard, of Chehalis, the deceased's >>fiancee, who had Mr. Gudgel lived, would have been his wife in a >>short time. Despite the lateness of the season, there were many >>floral offerings. Superior Judge A.E. Rice of Chalis, F.W. Kirsch, >>of Lebam, and W.R. Marion of Bay Center, were among those who >>attended the funeral from a distance. Despite the distance, the >>inclemency of the day and the condition of the road, a large number >>in addition to the members of the Post, testified their respect for >>the deceased by following the remains to Odd Fellow's Cemetery, >>where they were interred. >> >> > > > > From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Obituary of William Henry GUDGEL Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:48:57 -0700 Esther Lucy Potts Gudgel died 24 May 1914 in Evansville according to the = Browning Mortuary site on the internet. She had 3 sons and a daughter = then. The last one to die was Daniel C. Gudgel 1883-1955 and seemingly = his only surviving relative was a nephew, J. H. Davis of High Point, NC = (also according to the Browning site. Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: Obituary of William Henry GUDGEL Thanks to Robert Gudgel for scanning a copy of this to me this week. = With his permission I am submitting this for the list to share. I = believe he said he ran across it an an old Bible he had. (There are = edges of this clipping that are missing so I will submit what is = readable. My data says he died December 11, 1905 I also noted in my = data that he had been married to a Lucy Potts. Was she the mother of = these children? What happened to Lucy Potts? The article also lists a = brother as Lewis W. GUDGEL, of Princeton.....I believe it should be = Levin Wilson GUDGEL. Would appreciate some input from others of this = line. He was the son of Andrew GUDGEL and Elvira WALLACE).=20 Thanks again, Mr. Gudgel. =20 W.H.. GUDGEL Former Evansville Attorney Who Died In Washington Was Held in High = Esteem. Sad Features of Demise The Willapa Harbor Pilot, published at South Bend, Wash., a copy of = which has been received, gives details concerning the sudden death there = on December 11 of Attorney W.H. Gudgel, a former well known and = prominent citizen of Evansville. =20 Mr. Gudgel was found Sunday evening sitting on the steps of the = stairway leading to his office in South Bend, suffering from an attack = of heart failure. Passersby asked him what was the matter and he = responded he could not get his breath. Physicians were hastily summoned = but he was dead when when they reached him. He had suffered several = previous attacks and had said to his friends that he knew the end was = not far away. The respect and esteem in which Mr. Gudgel was held in his new home in = the Northwest is shown in the following excerpt from the paper referred = to: William H. Gudgel was born in Gibson Co., Ind. in 1847, and was 58 = years of age at the time of his death. In January, 1864, he enlisted in = Co. H of the 143rd regiment, Indiana Volunteers, being then only 16 = years of age, and his service terminated in November of the same year = with the end of the war. He was both a college and law school graduate = and practiced his profession for many years in Evansville, Indiana, = where he served for several successive terms as prosecuting attorney of = Vanderburgh County, of which Evansville is the county seat, and where he = was at one time honored by his party's nomination for congressional = honors. He came to this place in March, 1900, and he practiced law here = since that time. During that time he has been connected with cases of considerable = magnitude and had been generally successful in his practice. On Judge = Rice's accession to the superior bench, he appointed Mr. Gudgel his = Court Commissioner at this place and he creditably filled that position = up to the time of his death. He joined Fremont Post, G.A.R., soon after = his arrival here and held official positions in that body during his = residence here, being Senior Vice Commander at the time of his death. = His political bias was Republican and he..... He leaves an aged father, who has twice visited him for several months = on this place; two brothers Lewis W. Gudgel, an attorney at Princeton, = Ind., and James E. Gudgel, a physician of Cynthiana, Ind., also 3 sons = and a daughter of the same state. On the morning following his death, C.E. Huson telegraphed the two = brothers of the sad news and asked instructions. The reply was received = Tuesday morning in which they said the deceased had expressed a desire = to them that he might, when the time came, be buried in his adopted = home. The funeral, which occurred at 10 a.m. Wednesday, was held under the = auspices of Fremont Post, G.A.R., of which the deceased was an honored = member and officer, assisted by the W.R.C. and the beautiful and = impressive ritual service of the order was observed at the grave. Rev. = R.D. Snyder, of the M.E. Church, conducted the funeral service at = Cameron's Chapel assisted by Rev. R.C. Day, of the Congregational = Church. The pall-bearers were members of the local bar and were Senator J.T. = Welsh, M.C. Welsh, Judge Sol Smith, Judge C.E. Miller, John I. O'Phelan = and Wallace L. Turney. As all relatives of the deceased are residents = of the far East, there were no mourners, outside the Grand Army post, = except Miss Minnie H. Hazzard, of Chehalis, the deceased's fiancee, who = had Mr. Gudgel lived, would have been his wife in a short time. Despite = the lateness of the season, there were many floral offerings. Superior Judge A.E. Rice of Chalis, F.W. Kirsch, of Lebam, and W.R. = Marion of Bay Center, were among those who attended the funeral from a = distance. Despite the distance, the inclemency of the day and the condition of = the road, a large number in addition to the members of the Post, = testified their respect for the deceased by following the remains to Odd = Fellow's Cemetery, where they were interred. From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 20:28:09 2002 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA14437; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:27:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:27:40 -0700 Message-ID: <005a01c27d68$cd9c5280$3a49bf3f@finnell> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Gudgel List" Subject: William Henry GUDGEL and Esther Lucy POTTS Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:27:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C27D47.451DDC10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <"TlCfw1.0.WX3.iqrkz"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2520 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C27D47.451DDC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Descendants of Esther Lucy Potts Generation No. 1 Thanks Nancy- for the information on Esther Lucy POTTS. I heard from = Doyle Gudgel, who said she and William GUDGEL divorced. Does anyone = know when they were divorced? Below are the children I have for William = and Lucy. Would love to know if I have them all and any other = information about them. If William went to South Bend, WA after they = divorced, one would assume the children stayed with their mother in = Evansville? BTW, I had information from another researcher some years = ago that said he died in Oregon. Apparently that was incorrect. Would appreciate any help on this family. Linda 1. EsTHER LUCY1 POTTS died May 24, 1914 in Evansville, IN. She married = WILLIAM HENRY GUDGELL, son of ANDREW GUDGELL and ELVIRA WALLACE. He was = born July 18, 1847 in Gibson Co., IN1, and died December 11, 1905 in = South Bend, WA. William was buried in the Odd Fellow's Cemetry in = South Bend, WA. =20 Notes for ESTHER LUCY POTTS: Daughter of J.G. Potts, Evansville, Vanderburgh Co., IN. Children of ESTHER POTTS and WILLIAM GUDGELL are: i. GILBERT2 GUDGEL. ii. WILLIAM GUDGEL. iii. ESSIE GUDGEL. iv. DAN GUDGEL. v. EVELYN SUSAN GUDGEL. Endnotes 1. 1850 Census, Gibson Co., IN ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C27D47.451DDC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Descendants of Esther Lucy Potts

 

Generation No. 1

Thanks Nancy- for the information on Esther Lucy=20 POTTS.  I heard from Doyle Gudgel, who said she and William GUDGEL=20 divorced.  Does anyone know when they were divorced?  Below = are the=20 children I have for William and Lucy.  Would love to know if I have = them=20 all and any other information about them.  If William went to South = Bend,=20 WA after they divorced, one would assume the children stayed with their = mother=20 in Evansville?  BTW, I had information from another researcher some = years=20 ago that said he died in Oregon.  Apparently that was = incorrect.

Would appreciate any help on this = family.

Linda

 

1. EsTHER = LUCY1 POTTS died May 24, 1914 in Evansville, IN. = She married=20 WILLIAM HENRY = GUDGELL,=20 son of ANDREW GUDGELL and = ELVIRA=20 WALLACE. He was born July 18, 1847 in Gibson = Co.,=20 IN1, and died December 11, 1905 in South Bend, = WA. =20 William was buried  in the Odd Fellow's Cemetry in South Bend, = WA. =20

Notes for ESTHER=20 LUCY POTTS:

Daughter of J.G. Potts, Evansville, Vanderburgh Co., = IN.

Children of ESTHER POTTS and = WILLIAM=20 GUDGELL are:

i. GILBERT2 GUDGEL.

ii. WILLIAM GUDGEL.

iii. ESSIE GUDGEL.

iv. DAN GUDGEL.

v. EVELYN SUSAN = GUDGEL.

 

 

Endnotes

1. 1850 Census, Gibson Co., IN

------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C27D47.451DDC10-- From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: William Henry GUDGEL and Esther Lucy POTTS Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:00:34 -0500 Here are my sources for the children of William Henry GUDGEL and Esther = Lucy POTTS: 1900 Federal Census Soundex=20 1220 East Columbia St. Evansville, Vandenburg County, IN ed.21, sheet 5, line 61 GUDGEL, Esther head Jan 1853 47 IN Gilbert Y son Jul 1877 22 IN Evelyn S. dau Feb 1882 18 IN Daniel C. son Dec 1883 16 IN William J. son Aug 1891 8 IN *************************************************************************= ************************************************ The Browning Genealogy Database you mentioned in your last post is a = great resource http://browning.evcpl.lib.in.us/. Evelyn's death is = recorded there... ID =3D 13728 =20 Deceased Name: DAVIS, EVELYN =20 Address: 24 E COLUMBIA ST, EVANSVILLE, INDIANA =20 Date of Death: Saturday, March 27, 1937 =20 Place of Death: RESIDENCE =20 Age: 56 =20 Church: ST PAULS EPISCOPAL =20 Cemetery: OAK HILL EVV =20 Funeral Home: UNKNOWN =20 Occupation: CHRYSLER PLANT =20 Activities: DID FLOOD RELIEF WORK SANG LEADING ROLE IN =20 Comments: PINAFORE EVV MUSICANS CLUB LIBRARY BOARD RED CROSS = MINERVA CLUB =20 Relative Type Location Comments =20 DAUGHTER OF LATE ATTORNEY,WM HENRY GUDGEL =20 GRANDCHILD 2 =20 SON JOHN HAROLD HIGH POINT N C =20 DAVIS, J E HUSBAND J E DAVIS ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF =20 GUDGEL, DAN BROTHER DAN GUDGEL OF EVV =20 GUDGEL, WILLIAM BROTHER WILLIAM GUDGEL OF WASH =20 *************************************************************************= ************************************************ Note that William was living in Washington when Evelyn died. *************************************************************************= ************************************************ User Home Page Outline Descendant Tree: Descendants of Arthur Wallace pages 31 & 32 http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/a/k/DEBORAH-L-LAKE/ODT6-0031= .html=20 ....... 4 Wallace, Elvira b: September 13, 1826 in Ohio Co KY d: = April 20, 1898 in Gibson Co IN .......... +Smith, George W. =20 ....... *2nd Husband of Wallace, Elvira: =20 .......... +Gudgel, Andrew b: February 19, 1825 m: August 29, 1846 in = Gibson Co IN d: July 23, 1910 .......... 5 Gudgel, Ora =20 .......... 5 Gudgel, William Henry b: 1847 d: December 10, 1905 ............. +Potts, Lucy =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Gilbert =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, William =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Essie =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Dan =20 ............. 6 Gudgel, Evelyn =20 ................ +Davis, Unknown =20 ................ 7 Davis, Harold =20 ................ 7 Davis, Wayne =20 ................ 7 Davis, Evelyn Ann =20 *************************************************************************= ********************************** Juanita passed out her Descendants of William Gudgel at the Gathering. = She lists 6 children, the 5 listed=20 above and a son named Washington Gudgel born about 1875. I don't have = any info on this one. Maybe Juanita can fill us in. Does anyone know what happened to these families? Mia Fleegel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 10:27 PM Subject: William Henry GUDGEL and Esther Lucy POTTS = Descendants of Esther Lucy Potts Generation No. 1 Thanks Nancy- for the information on Esther Lucy POTTS. I heard from = Doyle Gudgel, who said she and William GUDGEL divorced. Does anyone = know when they were divorced? Below are the children I have for William = and Lucy. Would love to know if I have them all and any other = information about them. If William went to South Bend, WA after they = divorced, one would assume the children stayed with their mother in = Evansville? BTW, I had information from another researcher some years = ago that said he died in Oregon. Apparently that was incorrect. Would appreciate any help on this family. Linda 1. EsTHER LUCY1 POTTS died May 24, 1914 in Evansville, IN. She married = WILLIAM HENRY GUDGELL, son of ANDREW GUDGELL and ELVIRA WALLACE. He was = born July 18, 1847 in Gibson Co., IN1, and died December 11, 1905 in = South Bend, WA. William was buried in the Odd Fellow's Cemetry in = South Bend, WA. =20 Notes for ESTHER LUCY POTTS: Daughter of J.G. Potts, Evansville, Vanderburgh Co., IN. Children of ESTHER POTTS and WILLIAM GUDGELL are: i. GILBERT2 GUDGEL. ii. WILLIAM GUDGEL. iii. ESSIE GUDGEL. iv. DAN GUDGEL. v. EVELYN SUSAN GUDGEL. Endnotes 1. 1850 Census, Gibson Co., IN From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Mystery Daniel from Kingston, MO Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:21:31 -0500 About a year and a half ago Linda asked about a mystery Daniel on the = list. The only clue was from Nancy Miller that he might be a son of = William Henry. I saved the email because I had nothing to say at the = time. Now that we are talking about William Henry's family I looked = throug some old notes and found a Soundex record for the Daniel in MO.=20 1900 Federal Census Soundex Kingston, Kingston Township Caldwell County, Missouri v.`3, e.d.9, sheet 2, line 1 GUDGELL, Daniel head b. Jun 1864 35 MO Rebecca wife b. May 1870 30 MO Emma J. dau b. Feb 1894 6 MO Colene dau b. Apr 1898 2 MO =20 >From this census we can tell that this Daniel in MO is NOT William = Henry's son as he is too old and was born in MO. This lists his wife as = Rebecca, not Nancy. Linda, do you have any other info on this Daniel? A look at the whole 1900 census would tell us where = Daniel's parents were born and how long he had been married to Rebecca. Mia Fleegel *************************************************************************= ****************************************************************** From: "Nancy Miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Dan GUDGEL family- Kingston, MO Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:19:39 -0800 Linda, I have a Dan Gudgel in my data base (no dates, wife or children) who is = the son of William Henry Gudgel (b.18 Jul 1847) and Lucy Potts. William = Henry was said to be an Evansville lawyer that moved to OR or WA = (depending on my source) and was the son of Andrew Gudgel and Elvira = Wallace.. My notes say that I got Dan's name from information you = posted to the list - I think you put out all of William Henry's children. Nancy From dianeh@corecom.net Sun Oct 27 14:47:08 2002 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:06:11 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Mia K. Fleegel Cc: Linda Gudgel Finnell , Subject: Re: Mystery Daniel from Kingston, MO Mia and all, I guess I didn't know there was another mystery Daniel to unravel. The only Daniel I thought was a problem was the one who was contemporary with Old Andrew--beign either his son, brother, uncle or cousin. I'm still looking for answers on that Dan. Any new leads surfaced lately? Dianne G-H "Mia K. Fleegel" wrote: > About a year and a half ago Linda asked about a mystery Daniel on > the list. The only clue was from Nancy Miller that he might be a son > of William Henry. I saved the email because I had nothing to say at > the time. Now that we are talking about William Henry's family I > looked throug some old notes and found a Soundex record for the > Daniel in MO. 1900 Federal Census Soundex > Kingston, Kingston Township > Caldwell County, Missouri > v.`3, e.d.9, sheet 2, line 1 GUDGELL, Daniel head b. Jun 1864 35 > MO > Rebecca wife b. May 1870 30 MO > Emma J. dau b. Feb 1894 6 MO > Colene dau b. Apr 1898 2 MO > From this census we can tell that this Daniel in MO is NOT William > Henry's son as he is too old and was born in MO. This lists his wife > as Rebecca, not Nancy. Linda, do you have any otherinfo on this > Daniel? A look at the whole 1900 census would tell us where Daniel's > parents were born and how long he had been married to Rebecca. Mia > Fleegel*******************************************************************************************************************************************From: > "Nancy Miller" > To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , > Subject: Re: Dan GUDGEL family- Kingston, MO > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:19:39 -0800 Linda, > I have a Dan Gudgel in my data base (no dates, wife or children) who > is the son of William Henry Gudgel (b.18 Jul 1847) and Lucy Potts. > William Henry was said to be an Evansville lawyer that moved to OR > or WA (depending on my source) and was the son of Andrew Gudgel and > Elvira Wallace.. My notes say that I got Dan's name from > information you posted to the list - I think you > put out all of William Henry's children. > Nancy -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Gudgel Finnell > To: Gudgel List > Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 8:57 AM > Subject: Dan GUDGEL family- Kingston, MO > >Can someone identify this family, specifically Dan GUDGEL? > > > >Dan GUDGEL marr. Nancy REYNOLD. Had a daughter, Emma Jane GUDGEL > who marr. > >Milo JACKSON Dec. 12, 1912 Kingston, MO. Emma was b. February 17, > 1894 > >Kingston, MO. Milo was b. April 6, 1891 in Ray Co., MO and d. > October 12, > >1943 in Bolivar, MO. > > > >Children of Milo JACKSON and Emma Jane GUDGEL: > > > >Danial Laberne JACKSON-b. May 14, 1915 Kingston, MO., mar. (1) > Mildred > >Lydia MOSES Nov. 30, 1938 Springfield, MO (2) Mildred Lucille > EDWARDS. > > > >Virginia Lou JACKSON-b. January 6, 1920 Kingston, MO; mar. Emil > Edwards > >STANEK May 22, 1944. > > > >Does this family sound familiar with anyone? > > > >Linda From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" Subject: William Henry Gudgel Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:43:28 -0600 All this conversation about William Gudgel is fascinating. It sent me flying to that famous family reunion photo album in my possession as that I am going to have scanned and shared at Christms time. (I also had it laying out at the=20 Gathering). William was a brother to my Great Grandfather, John Franklin. I went over the photos trying to figure out if one of the early photos (1896, 7 or 8) had him in it. I think that's the kind of thing that needs several people "eyeing" the group. I can see how you all get hooked on this.............the deeper you go, the greater the mysteries. my question.......what caused him to go to Washington (state, I = presume). The Great Northern Railroad was operational at the turn of the century..........so no doubt he went by way of Chicago.........Mpls, and the northern tier of states.=20 I'm anxious to get those photos, plus some other scanned and out to you. -jennette Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:57:29 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: "Jennette A. Gudgel" Subject: Re: William Henry Gudgel Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com His military and pension records do not give a hint of why he went to Washington State. South Bend is right on the Pacific Ocean on Willipa Bay. Contrary to the obituary pulsated he was Prosecution attorney for only one or two terms at the most, I can't remember now. I contacted the Prosecutors office in Evanston and they gave me that information. As he had been divorced and went to about the farthest and remote place in the US. I do not doubt he had some tragic personal reason for doing this. Anyone in Indiana who goes to Evanston might try looking up more information in the Newspaper records. Doyal Gudgel. Seattle. Jennette A. Gudgel wrote: > All this conversation about William Gudgel is fascinating. > It sent me flying to that famous family reunion photo album > in my possession as that I am going to have scanned and > shared at Christms time. (I also had it laying out at the > Gathering). > > William was a brother to my Great Grandfather, John Franklin. > I went over the photos trying to figure out if one of the early > photos (1896, 7 or 8) had him in it. I think that's the kind of > thing that needs several people "eyeing" the group. > > I can see how you all get hooked on this.............the deeper you go, > the greater the mysteries. > > my question.......what caused him to go to Washington (state, I > presume). The > Great Northern Railroad was operational at the turn of the > century..........so no doubt he went by way of Chicago.........Mpls, > and the northern tier of states. > > I'm anxious to get those photos, plus some other scanned and out to > you. > -jennette > > From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: Mystery Daniel from Kingston Mo. Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:51:34 -0800 James GUDGEL (1870 U.S. Census) Missouri, Caldwell, Kingston Twp. Age 37, Male, White, born: KY. Series: M593, Roll: 763, Page: 175 HeritageQuest-Online Household 83 James GUDGEL 37 Edward age 6 born Missouri William age 4 born Missouri Sarah DEAL age 55 born Kentucky (girl) FARRINGTON age 12 born Missouri This looks like some of Daniel's family of an earlier generation. Also, on the 1910 census, Caldwell County, Kingston Twp. Missouri I found Milo R. JACKSON age 19 in the household of Isaac JACKSON age 57, wife Mary Ann age 58. Siblings: James age 27, Jacob age 24, Clara age 21. This could be the Milo JACKSON that married Emma Jane GUDGEL. The ages fit. Could not find Daniel, however. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: Mia K. Fleegel To: Linda Gudgel Finnell ; Gudgel List Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: Mystery Daniel from Kingston, MO About a year and a half ago Linda asked about a mystery Daniel on the list. The only clue was from Nancy Miller that he might be a son of William Henry. I saved the email because I had nothing to say at the time. Now that we are talking about William Henry's family I looked through some old notes and found a Soundex record for the Daniel in MO. 1900 Federal Census Soundex Kingston, Kingston Township Caldwell County, Missouri v.`3, e.d.9, sheet 2, line 1 GUDGELL, Daniel head b. Jun 1864 35 MO Rebecca wife b. May 1870 30 MO Emma J. dau b. Feb 1894 6 MO Colene dau b. Apr 1898 2 MO >From this census we can tell that this Daniel in MO is NOT William Henry's son as he is too old and was born in MO. This lists his wife as Rebecca, not Nancy. Linda, do you have any other info on this Daniel? A look at the whole 1900 census would tell us where Daniel's parents were born and how long he had been married to Rebecca. Mia Fleegel ******************************************************************** ******************************************************************** *** -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 8:57 AM Subject: Dan GUDGEL family- Kingston, MO >Can someone identify this family, specifically Dan GUDGEL? > >Dan GUDGEL marr. Nancy REYNOLD. Had a daughter, Emma Jane GUDGEL who marr. >Milo JACKSON Dec. 12, 1912 Kingston, MO. Emma was b. February 17, 1894 >Kingston, MO. Milo was b. April 6, 1891 in Ray Co., MO and d. October 12, >1943 in Bolivar, MO. > >Children of Milo JACKSON and Emma Jane GUDGEL: > >Danial Laberne JACKSON-b. May 14, 1915 Kingston, MO., mar. (1) Mildred >Lydia MOSES Nov. 30, 1938 Springfield, MO (2) Mildred Lucille EDWARDS. > >Virginia Lou JACKSON-b. January 6, 1920 Kingston, MO; mar. Emil Edwards >STANEK May 22, 1944. > >Does this family sound familiar with anyone? > >Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: William Henry Gudgel probate records Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:49:47 -0500 Hi Folks- I've been digging and have come up with some information on William H. = Gudgel that Doyal Gudgel sent me some time ago. Doyal traveled a lot = for a number of years researching Gudgel's everywhere. Great work, = Doyal!! There are several pages so I will begin submitting this info. = as time permits. There's probate, military records, etc.=20 Linda Page 1 William H. Gudgel The probate of Williams estate is found in file #387 of Pacific County. = He died December 10, 1905. The estate was finally settled in 1908. In = January 1906 the Court was petitioned by J.E. Stout to be the = administrator of the estate. J.E. Stout was a druggist in South Bend. = Apparently William wasn't concerned with accumulating a large fortune = although in the 6 years he was in South Bend he did acquire a little = property. There and in Elwaco. Four lots in South Bend and one in = Elwaco. Lots 31 and 32 block 16 of the South Bend Land Co., 1st = addition, and lots 21 and 22, block 29 South Bend Land Co., 2nd = addition. The lot in Elwaco was 100 feet square and was described by = meets and bounds so the location at this time is hard to determine. The = lots 31 and 32 were on Broad Street between Qunicy and Monroe about 2/3 = of the way toward Quincy. Lots 21 and 22 were nearly in the middle of = the block on 4th Ave. between Adams and Washington. The whole estate didn't appraise for more than 5 or 6 hundred dollars. = Sales of personal property went to Stout to pay his expenses. A Mr. = Hazzard acquired a gold headed cane from a petition of another Hazzard. = No reason given for this request.=20 William left 4 children but no mention was made of a wife. All the = children lived in Evansville, IN. One of them was a minor. They all = received 1/4 interest in the sale of the land he owned. An accounting = of his death was published in the Willipa Harbor Pilot on December 15, = 1905. It never has been established where he lived other than on Water = Street. Part of Water Street is now Robert Bush Street, named after a = resident of South Bend who received the Medal of Honor in World War I. = Voter registration books in the town gave his address only as Water = Street. The practice of house numbers was just coming into practice at = that time. No address was found. The newspaper account stated he = collapsed on the steps leading to his office across from the Stevens = Hotel. Pictures in the South Bend Historical Museum show the Stevens = Hotel as being about 50 feet west of Water Street and the street that = intersects it at the point of the park. This is right in the middle of = the town. The lot is vacant at this time. Next to it on the corner is = a building built more recently. On the other corner where the museum is = now is apparently where his offices were. The next building was a = "Cassells Hotel". Other stores were on the lower level-the hotel on the = other part. A few years maybe soon after his death the Stevens Hotel = was acquired by Cassells. It then became the main hotel and the = original one across the street next to the drug store was then the = annex. Old time residents filled in most of this information verified = by pictures in the possession of the Historical Museum. The building on = this intersection where the drug store was and next to the original = Cassells Hotel was built in 1906 or 7. Most of the buildings were built = later than 1906 as the pictures show different types. Portions of a = couple might still exist but they had been modified somewhat. The names of the children given in the probate were: Gilbert Gudgel, age 28 Eveline S. (Gudgel) Davis, age 24. Could be Evelyn- was spelled both = ways. David Gudgel, age 22 William H. Gudgel, age 14 No hint was given as to why he went to South Bend. The town was = incorporated in 1890. His pension was $34.67 a month. He had 15 cents = on him when he died and $172.99 in the bank. A bi-centennial edition of = the Willipa Harbor Pilot gave a biography of him published in 1975. = Residents who had seen him said he was very heavy and the children used = to laugh about him behind his back. He also was engaged to be married = to a widow who had several children who were going to school apparently. Page 2 He was prominent in Republican politics. Was elected twice to office of = Prosecutor of Vanderburgh and Posey counties in Indiana. From = description of him it would appear he was a happy-go-lucky individual = who made friends easily. Newspaper accounts of doings of the GAR shows = him to have been active in their activities. He was buried in the Odd Fellows Cemetery , South Bend, WA about a mile = from town and is on top of a hill. He is buried in a circle of Civil = War Vets and a monument was placed there by John C. Fremont, Post 69 of = the GAR. Below the name of William GUDGEL is the inscription: "1847-1906 Co. H. = 143 Reg. Indians Vol Infantry" On the bottom is the saying "Nature = could say to all the world this was a man." From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: William H. GUDGEL- Military Records Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:25:16 -0500 WILLIAM H. GUDGEL CO H.. 143 INFANTRY, INDIANA VOLUNTEERS Born 1847, 5' 11" tall, grey eyes, brown hair and dark complexioned Little is known from the military records of William as the only sources = available is the muster rolls of his regiment. Pension records were not = requested so it is not known whether he ever had a pension. which would = give more information of genealogical interest. He enlisted in the 143rd regiment February 4, 1865. The muster roll = stated he was a farmer. Place of enlistment was Princeton, Indiana for = one year. By this time they knew the war was about over. He went to = Evansville to be mustered in on Feb. 10th. Muster rolls recorded him present throughout his military career until = October 17, 1865 where in Nashville, TN, he was discharged. His pay was very slow as his muster out records stated he had last been = paid until April 30th. This was in October. The War Department issued a certificate in lieu of last discharge June = 20, 1884 so he must have been applying for a pension. Other records in = the military records said he enlisted January 23, 1865. RECORDS OF NATIONAL ARCHIVES PENSION WILLIAM H. GUDGEL BORN JULY 18TH, 1847 GIBSON CO, INDIANA DIED DECEMBER 8, 1905 Affidavit March 4, 1891 Vanderburgh co. William S. Pollard and Joseph = Jacobs both M.D.'s stated William Gudgel had a wrist fracture and = couldn't work so should have pension. Military service jacket gave info. that William enlisted Jan. 23, 1865; = discharged October 17, 1865. A statement by William before a notary = public gave his address as 217 1/2 Upper Fourth St/, Evansville, IN. Another statement July 18, 1891 added info. that he was 43 and was = discharged at Nashville, TN. And that his wrist was paralyzed because = of a fracture. Statement of July 24, 1891 added that he received the fracture of the = wrist when he was going through the woods to go to the school house = where he taught school and slipped and fell breaking the wrist. Still = lived at 217 1/2 Upper Fourth Avenue. Next affidavit July 18, 1905 he lived at South Bend, WA. Nothing new = was added except he had heart problems. Bureau of pensions asked for full military history of soldier. Personal = discretion. August 4, 1905 he filled out another form giving sale information on a = different form. He lived at Oakland City at the time of his enlistment. = He lived in Gibson Co. until June,, 1873 and then at Evansville 1873 = until 1900. He lived at South Bend until date of affidavit. His = description was 6' 1 1/2", 255 pounds, Blue eyes, brown hair. Another form stated he was unmarried and had divorced Esther Gudgel at = Evansville November 10, 1899. Children: Gilbert G. Gudgel b. 1878 Evelyn Davis b. 1880 David C. Gudgel b. 1882 William H. Gudgel, Jr. b. 1890 Last form was pensioner dropped form. Gave date of death as December = 11, 1905. *************************************************************************= *************************************************************************= ******************************************* Note: This is great research and as it progresses we get some answers = to previously unknown information. So now we know a little more about = the children and the date he divorced Esther. And the earlier post = about his estate that spoke of a gold headed can petitioned for by a Mr. = Hazzard for another Hazzard person was surely his fianc=E9e, Mrs. = Hazzard. Maybe the Mr. Hazzard was her father? Thanks Doyal, for your persistence in researching William H. Gudgel. Linda =20