Start October 31 (Halloween) 2002 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:18:02 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: "\"William \\\"Bill\\\" Webb\"" Subject: Re: Website with Gudgel Photo Thanks for the info Bill. I certainly am interested in the topic and facts. I appreciate the link too. I wonder if you have asked about any documents that they surely would have had to keep when they moved the graves. Surely they placed them in the same pattern as originally and they likely had photos too. Can you check with the people who did the dam and then with those who actually moved the graves? What about the current cemetery owners. Do they have some original documents? Usually those sorts of things have good records. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes William \"Bill\" Webb wrote: > Hello All,I accidently stumbled into this website that I thought > might interest some on the list. The link is > below: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~t42cemeteries/PrestonBend.htm The > site contains photos of Preston Bend Cemetery in Grayson County, > Texas where Thomas Jefferson GUDGEL (my Great Grandfather) and his 3 > wives Sarah, Mary (my Great Grandmother) and Martha are buried. A > picture of Martha's headstone is here. My family and I met some > other descendants of Thomas Jefferson at the cemetery in June 1999 > for a reunion that was held for descendants of those buried there. > We talked with many who were familiar with the history of the > cemetery and we walked what seemed to be every inch of the > ground. Story has it the cemetery was originally in the "bottom > land" that was going to be flooded by the development of Lake > Texoma. All those buried there were "removed to high ground" (which > is now on the Texas side of the lake) along with the head marker > that was present. The cemetery fell into a bad state of disrepair. > It became heavily overgrown. An interest was taken in reclaiming it > and much of it was "burned off". One gentleman we visited with said > he remembered many wooden crosses in the cemetery that burned up > leaving many graves unmarked. We had hoped to find the graves of > Thomas, Sarah and Mary - to no avail. We did find 3 rocks in a row > just to the left of Thomas WILLIAMS (photo on the site). To the > left of these 3 rocks were 3 rocks in a vertical row which appeared > to be graves of 3 small children. We have often wondered if the 3 > to the left of WILLIAMS was Thomas, Sarah and Mary. We know Thomas > and Mary had a child that died young. Could there have been 2 > others from Thomas' other marriages? This was the only area of the > cemetery we canvassed that looked like it might be "right" for > Thomas and the 2 wives. Martha's headstone is some distance from the > description above. To the left of Martha is W.H. ALLEN, 1876-1939. > We believe this to be a son of Martha from a previous marriage. To > the left of W. H. ALLEN is Holland COFFEE. To the left of Holland > COFFEE is Sophia and James PORTER. (All of this is just to give some > perspective) I know all of this doesn't pertain to what is being > discussed lately but I thought I'd share this. I know there are > others on the list that are descendants of Thomas Jefferson GUDGEL. > Thought you might like to see it in case you have not had the > opportunity to see Preston Bend Cemetery. It is a fascinating place > to visit. Bill Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:32:57 -0800 Subject: Genealogy Web Site Address Links From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hello Cousins, Willard Library Links: http://home.att.net/~local_history/Vanderburgh-Co-IN.htm The above address will give you a list of web site address (with descriptions) that you can go to that contain genealogy research information. I have also included the list (below) that this site will furnish you with. I passed out printed copies of these address at the Gudgel Gathering in Gibson Co., IN. I was thinking that some of you were not able to attend the Reunion and would also enjoy these links. If you place this address in Internet Explorers "Favorites List" you can use this address as a starting point for links to all of the following genealogy research addresses. Also, if you have an on-line e-mail service you can link directly to any of the addresses in this e-mail message. Happy Genealogy Hunting - "Enjoy!" Have a great weekend, Bill Gudgel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Willard Library/TSGS Genealogy on the Internet Demonstration ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- URL for this site: http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/TSGSdemo.html Presented by John G. West (TSGS Member) on 21 Jun 2002 Workshop previously conducted on 11 Aug 1998, 9 Feb 1999, 25 Aug 1999, 23 Jun 2000 and 23 Aug 2000. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Professor Larry Goss of the University of Southern Indiana said during his demonstration of Internet Genealogy at the Oct. 17th. 1998 TSGS Annual Seminar: "I just go to Cyndi's List first for everything!" (I will go on record to say that he knows best. If she does not have it listed, then go to her search engine list and find anything!!! - JGW) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Some of the Best Genealogical Links On-line These are the links I used for this demonstration ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Cyndi's List - http://www.cyndislist.com/ John G. West Home Page - http://www.evansville.com/~mylines/ My Genealogy Links - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/genealogy.html The Browning Obits - http://browning.evcpl.lib.in.us/ Cyndi's Adoption List - http://www.cyndislist.com/adoption.htm Cyndi's Handwriting List - http://www.cyndislist.com/handwrit.htm Cyndi's Primary Source List - http://www.cyndislist.com/primary.htm The USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks.html The KYGenWeb Project - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/ Cruising the KYGenWeb Demo - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/kygwdemo.html Hardin Co., KYGenWeb - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/hardin.html Breckinridge Co., KYGenWeb - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/breck.html LaRue Co., KYGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kylarue/larue4.htm Christian Co., KYGenWeb - http://www.kyseeker.com/christian/index.html The INGenWeb Project - http://www.ingenweb.org/ Vanderburgh Co., INGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~invander/vand.htm Warrick Co., INGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~inwarric/ Posey Co., INGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~inposey/ Gibson Co., INGenWeb - http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibson.htm The WorldGenWeb Project - http://www.worldgenweb.org/ Greenland Genealogy - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8066/greenland.htm WILLARD LIBRARY - http://www.willard.lib.in.us/ United States Internet Genealogical Society (USIGS) - http://www.usigs.org/index.htm USIGS Memorial Tribute Collection - http://www.usigs.org/library/memorial/ Ancestral Trails Historical Society - http://www.aths.com/ The Tri-State Genealogical Society (TSGS) - http://www.rootsweb.com/~intsgs/tsgs.html GenForum - http://genforum.genealogy.com/ The Posey/Vanderburgh Chapter of the National Society Sons of the American Revolution - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8066/mysar.htm Roots-L Library - http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/filelist.html United States Vital Records Information - http://www.vitalrec.com/ Kentucky Links & Research Help - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/kentucky.html The Formation of Kentucky Counties - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/counties/formation.html Webster County Kentucky Obituaries - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kywebste/obits/obits.htm Distant Cousins Genealogy Index ~ Online Census Data - http://www.distantcousin.com/ Links to Online Census Records - http://www.census-online.com/links/index.html U.S. CENSUS RECORD GRAYSON COUNTY KY 1850 - ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/grayson/census/1850.txt Index to 1850 U.S. Federal Census for Grayson Co., KY - ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/grayson/census/1850index.txt Grayson County, Kentucky Bible Records - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygrayso/bibleg.htm Grayson Co., KY Black Vital Statistics - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/gblkdata.html INDIANA STATE LIBRARY Genealogy Division Database to an Index of Indiana Marriages Through 1850 - http://www.statelib.lib.in.us/www/indiana/genealogy/mirr.html Virginia Vital Statistics Genealogy Information - http://www.vdh.state.va.us/misc/gene.htm Kentucky Vital Records Index - http://ukcc.uky.edu/~vitalrec/ Daviess Co., KY Map - http://ukcc.uky.edu/%7Emaps/daviess.gif DAR Library - http://dar.library.net/ Family Search - http://www.familysearch.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Just for Fun! Genealogy Humor & Interesting Facts ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Written in Stone -- Epitaphs - http://www.pafways.org/ US Surname Distribution - http://www.hamrick.com/names/ Genealogy Poetry Album - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/2778/poetry.htm Occupations - http://www.cyndislist.com/occupatn.htm HOOKED on GENEALOGY - http://www.calweb.com/~wally/index.html Things to Ponder On - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpalmer/ponder.htm The Outhouse [Humor] - http://lest-we-forget.com/The_Outhouse/ Odds & Ends - http://www.cyndislist.com/odds.htm The Political Graveyard - http://www.potifos.com/tpg/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Miscellaneous Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- FTMOL KIMBLE Family - http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/s/h/John-R-Ashburn-Sr/index.html Haynes Family Web Site - http://www.haynesfamily.com/ Pat Place's GenWeb Page - Mattingly - http://genealogy.org/~pat/genweb.html Family Tree Maker OnLine (FTMOL) - http://www.familytreemaker.com/ Cyndi's Genealogy Home Page Construction Kit - http://www.cyndislist.com/construc.htm Steve Lacey's Gateway to the Web - http://www.gengateway.com/mainsite.htm American Family Immigration History Center (Ellis Island) - http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ Genealogy Resources on the Internet - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html American Plantations and Colonies (Genealogy - Families, Ships, and Settlements) - http://englishamerica.home.att.net/ Cemeteries of the United States - http://www.gac.edu/~kengelha/usframe.html Some Obituary Links - http://www.familyworkings.com/links/obits.htm Internet Stuff You Need to Know - http://www.cyndislist.com/internet.htm Allinone -- Search Engine Site - http://home.microsoft.com/access/allinone.asp Cyndi's List - Search Engines - http://www.cyndislist.com/search.htm FAST Search - http://www.alltheweb.com/ GenExchange - http://www.genexchange.com Everton's Genealogical Helper - http://www.everton.com Glenda Trapp Memorial Page - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8066/gktrapp.htm Ancestry. Com - http://www.ancestry.com American Local History Network - http://www.alhn.org/ **Old West Index Page - http://homepages.dsu.edu/jankej/oldwest/oldwest.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Web Search ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Some Genealogical Book Publishers, Compilers or Vendors ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Cook Publications - Visit KENTUCKY RECORD SERIES or PIONEER LEWIS FAMILIES http://members.evansville.net/bacook/ Brenda Jerome Publications - WESTERN KENTUCKY JOURNAL http://pweb.netcom.com/~cpalmer/wkj/wkj5.htm McDowell Publications - http://members.aol.com/sammcpub/index.htm GORIN GENEALOGICAL PUBLISHING - http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ Southeastern Illinois Resource Books (Judy Lee & Carolyn Foss) - http://www.angelfire.com/il/leefoss/ Ye Olde Genealogie Shoppe - http://www.yogs.com/index.html#begin Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:39:58 -0800 Subject: Genealogy Web Site Address Links From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hello Cousins, Willard Library Links: http://home.att.net/~local_history/Vanderburgh-Co-IN.htm The above address will give you a list of web site address (with descriptions) that you can go to that contain genealogy research information. I have also included the list (below) that this site will furnish you with. I passed out printed copies of these address at the Gudgel Gathering in Gibson Co., IN. I was thinking that some of you were not able to attend the Reunion and would also enjoy these links. If you place this address in Internet Explorers "Favorites List" you can use this address as a starting point for links to all of the following genealogy research addresses. Also, if you have an on-line e-mail service you can link directly to any of the addresses in this e-mail message. Happy Genealogy Hunting - "Enjoy!" Have a great weekend, Bill Gudgel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Willard Library/TSGS Genealogy on the Internet Demonstration ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- URL for this site: http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/TSGSdemo.html Presented by John G. West (TSGS Member) on 21 Jun 2002 Workshop previously conducted on 11 Aug 1998, 9 Feb 1999, 25 Aug 1999, 23 Jun 2000 and 23 Aug 2000. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Professor Larry Goss of the University of Southern Indiana said during his demonstration of Internet Genealogy at the Oct. 17th. 1998 TSGS Annual Seminar: "I just go to Cyndi's List first for everything!" (I will go on record to say that he knows best. If she does not have it listed, then go to her search engine list and find anything!!! - JGW) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Some of the Best Genealogical Links On-line These are the links I used for this demonstration ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Cyndi's List - http://www.cyndislist.com/ John G. West Home Page - http://www.evansville.com/~mylines/ My Genealogy Links - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/genealogy.html The Browning Obits - http://browning.evcpl.lib.in.us/ Cyndi's Adoption List - http://www.cyndislist.com/adoption.htm Cyndi's Handwriting List - http://www.cyndislist.com/handwrit.htm Cyndi's Primary Source List - http://www.cyndislist.com/primary.htm The USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks.html The KYGenWeb Project - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/ Cruising the KYGenWeb Demo - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/kygwdemo.html Hardin Co., KYGenWeb - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/hardin.html Breckinridge Co., KYGenWeb - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/breck.html LaRue Co., KYGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kylarue/larue4.htm Christian Co., KYGenWeb - http://www.kyseeker.com/christian/index.html The INGenWeb Project - http://www.ingenweb.org/ Vanderburgh Co., INGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~invander/vand.htm Warrick Co., INGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~inwarric/ Posey Co., INGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~inposey/ Gibson Co., INGenWeb - http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibson.htm The WorldGenWeb Project - http://www.worldgenweb.org/ Greenland Genealogy - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8066/greenland.htm WILLARD LIBRARY - http://www.willard.lib.in.us/ United States Internet Genealogical Society (USIGS) - http://www.usigs.org/index.htm USIGS Memorial Tribute Collection - http://www.usigs.org/library/memorial/ Ancestral Trails Historical Society - http://www.aths.com/ The Tri-State Genealogical Society (TSGS) - http://www.rootsweb.com/~intsgs/tsgs.html GenForum - http://genforum.genealogy.com/ The Posey/Vanderburgh Chapter of the National Society Sons of the American Revolution - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8066/mysar.htm Roots-L Library - http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/filelist.html United States Vital Records Information - http://www.vitalrec.com/ Kentucky Links & Research Help - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/kentucky.html The Formation of Kentucky Counties - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/counties/formation.html Webster County Kentucky Obituaries - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kywebste/obits/obits.htm Distant Cousins Genealogy Index ~ Online Census Data - http://www.distantcousin.com/ Links to Online Census Records - http://www.census-online.com/links/index.html U.S. CENSUS RECORD GRAYSON COUNTY KY 1850 - ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/grayson/census/1850.txt Index to 1850 U.S. Federal Census for Grayson Co., KY - ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/grayson/census/1850index.txt Grayson County, Kentucky Bible Records - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygrayso/bibleg.htm Grayson Co., KY Black Vital Statistics - http://www.evansville.net/~mylines/gblkdata.html INDIANA STATE LIBRARY Genealogy Division Database to an Index of Indiana Marriages Through 1850 - http://www.statelib.lib.in.us/www/indiana/genealogy/mirr.html Virginia Vital Statistics Genealogy Information - http://www.vdh.state.va.us/misc/gene.htm Kentucky Vital Records Index - http://ukcc.uky.edu/~vitalrec/ Daviess Co., KY Map - http://ukcc.uky.edu/%7Emaps/daviess.gif DAR Library - http://dar.library.net/ Family Search - http://www.familysearch.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Just for Fun! Genealogy Humor & Interesting Facts ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Written in Stone -- Epitaphs - http://www.pafways.org/ US Surname Distribution - http://www.hamrick.com/names/ Genealogy Poetry Album - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/2778/poetry.htm Occupations - http://www.cyndislist.com/occupatn.htm HOOKED on GENEALOGY - http://www.calweb.com/~wally/index.html Things to Ponder On - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpalmer/ponder.htm The Outhouse [Humor] - http://lest-we-forget.com/The_Outhouse/ Odds & Ends - http://www.cyndislist.com/odds.htm The Political Graveyard - http://www.potifos.com/tpg/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Miscellaneous Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- FTMOL KIMBLE Family - http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/s/h/John-R-Ashburn-Sr/index.html Haynes Family Web Site - http://www.haynesfamily.com/ Pat Place's GenWeb Page - Mattingly - http://genealogy.org/~pat/genweb.html Family Tree Maker OnLine (FTMOL) - http://www.familytreemaker.com/ Cyndi's Genealogy Home Page Construction Kit - http://www.cyndislist.com/construc.htm Steve Lacey's Gateway to the Web - http://www.gengateway.com/mainsite.htm American Family Immigration History Center (Ellis Island) - http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ Genealogy Resources on the Internet - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html American Plantations and Colonies (Genealogy - Families, Ships, and Settlements) - http://englishamerica.home.att.net/ Cemeteries of the United States - http://www.gac.edu/~kengelha/usframe.html Some Obituary Links - http://www.familyworkings.com/links/obits.htm Internet Stuff You Need to Know - http://www.cyndislist.com/internet.htm Allinone -- Search Engine Site - http://home.microsoft.com/access/allinone.asp Cyndi's List - Search Engines - http://www.cyndislist.com/search.htm FAST Search - http://www.alltheweb.com/ GenExchange - http://www.genexchange.com Everton's Genealogical Helper - http://www.everton.com Glenda Trapp Memorial Page - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8066/gktrapp.htm Ancestry. Com - http://www.ancestry.com American Local History Network - http://www.alhn.org/ **Old West Index Page - http://homepages.dsu.edu/jankej/oldwest/oldwest.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Web Search ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Some Genealogical Book Publishers, Compilers or Vendors ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Cook Publications - Visit KENTUCKY RECORD SERIES or PIONEER LEWIS FAMILIES http://members.evansville.net/bacook/ Brenda Jerome Publications - WESTERN KENTUCKY JOURNAL http://pweb.netcom.com/~cpalmer/wkj/wkj5.htm McDowell Publications - http://members.aol.com/sammcpub/index.htm GORIN GENEALOGICAL PUBLISHING - http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ Southeastern Illinois Resource Books (Judy Lee & Carolyn Foss) - http://www.angelfire.com/il/leefoss/ Ye Olde Genealogie Shoppe - http://www.yogs.com/index.html#begin From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL GIVES UP THE GAVEL Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:59:56 -0500 Highlights from the Lexington Herald-Leader, November 2, 2002: = GUDGEL GIVES UP THE GAVEL = Appeals court chief was 'one of the best' His judicial opinions have run the gamut, covering important = school issues, mining, public corruption and cockfighting. At 3 p.m. yestrday, the chief judge of Kentucky's Court of Appeals = walked out of his office on Upper Street for the last time. Paul = Gudgel, after 23 years on the state's second highest court, has = officially retired. "He was one of the best," said Donald Waggener, a lawyer and = member of the crew that meets each morning at Junior's, the diner long = known as The Family Affiar, just down the street from his office. = "He'll be hard to replace." Gudgel, a native of Buffalo, NY., moved to Lentucky to attend = college when he was 18. He graduated from the University of KY, then = attended law school there, getting his law degree alongside classmates = who also went on to do well: U.S. Rep. Hal Rogers; former Lexington = Mayor, Jim Amato; and Cincinnati Reds part-owner, Bill Reik. Before he sat on the Court of Appeals, Gudgel was a Fayette = District Judge. He also sat as a municipal and Quarterly Court judge, = which became obsolete when the new court system was set up=3Dwith him on = the advisory committee. In an interview in the current issue of the Fayette County Bar = Association's newsletter, Gudgel recalled one of the cases he found most = amusing: When he asked an accused hitchhiker how he was going to plead, = the man replied that he had no idea but that he was the director of the = Central Intelligence Agency and really needed to get on with his secret = mission. Gudgel asked again how he would plead. "He said, well he = didn't know if we had a hitchiking statute, but he wanted me to know if = we did that he was also chief justice of the United States and he was = declaring it unconstitutional and void." "At which point, I decided that I needed to refer him to Comprehensive = Care." *************************************************************************= *************************************************************************= ******************************************* >From Linda- Paul Gudgel is very respected and admired among his peers, and quite a = jokester among his friends. I checked out his interview on the website = of the Fayette Co. Bar Association. If you'd like to see a picture of = him go to this website and click on the Sept./Oct. 2002 issue- pages 6 = thru 9: http://www.fcba.com/publications.cfm He talks about his family some: He was born in Buffalo, NY in 1938, the son of John William Gudgel and = Marion Joyce. He has one sister and one brother (deceased). He spoke = of a store his grandfather ran on Conway Street in Frankfort. I never = knew that! Judge Gudgel's line of descent is as follows: Paul D. Gudgel>John William Gudgel>Benjamin Thomas Gudgel>Jacob Madison = Gudgel> Elijah Gudgel>Jacob Gudgel>Andrew, Gudgel, Sr. So Paul's grandfather, Benjamin Thomas Gudgel, was a brother to my great = grandfather, Allie Lee Gudgel. If you have the time check out this interview- it makes some good = reading. I hope he will have time to get interested in his family tree = now. Linda from Kentucky- rainy and cold. First killing frost was November 1st. Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:13:55 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: GUDGEL GIVES UP THE GAVEL Gee thanks Linda. The article didn't say what he was going to do now. Maybe we an enlist him to do research. I know he knows how to do that. Have you ever met him? You can always send him a message inviting him to the 'group.' It's worth a try. Dianne G-H Anchorage, 40 plus degrees, no snow and and 'all shook up' Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Highlights from the Lexington Herald-Leader, November 2, > 2002: > GUDGEL GIVES UP THE > GAVEL > Appeals court chief was 'one of the best' His judicial > opinions have run the gamut, covering important school issues, > mining, public corruption and cockfighting. At 3 p.m. yestrday, > the chief judge of Kentucky's Court of Appeals walked out of his > office on Upper Street for the last time. Paul Gudgel, after 23 > years on the state's second highest court, has officially > retired. "He was one of the best," said Donald Waggener, a > lawyer and member of the crew that meets each morning at Junior's, > the diner long known as The Family Affiar, just down the street from > his office. "He'll be hard to replace." Gudgel, a native of > Buffalo, NY., moved to Lentucky to attend college when he was 18. > He graduated from the University of KY, then attended law school > there, getting his law degree alongside classmates who also went on > to do well: U.S. Rep. Hal Rogers; former Lexington Mayor, Jim > Amato; and Cincinnati Reds part-owner, Bill Reik. Before he sat > on the Court of Appeals, Gudgel was a Fayette District Judge. He > also sat as a municipal and Quarterly Court judge, which became > obsolete when the new court system was set up=with him on the > advisory committee. In an interview in the current issue of the > Fayette County Bar Association's newsletter, Gudgel recalled one of > the cases he found most amusing: When he asked an accused > hitchhiker how he was going to plead, the man replied that he had no > idea but that he was the director of the Central Intelligence Agency > and really needed to get on with his secret mission. Gudgel asked > again how he would plead. "He said, well he didn't know if we had a > hitchiking statute, but he wanted me to know if we did that he was > also chief justice of the United States and he was declaring it > unconstitutional and void." "At which point, I decided that I needed > to refer him to Comprehensive > Care." *********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************From > Linda-Paul Gudgel is very respected and admired among his peers, and > quite a jokester among his friends. I checked out his interview on > the website of the Fayette Co. Bar Association. If you'd like to > see a picture of him go to this website and click on the Sept./Oct. > 2002 issue- pages 6 thru 9:http://www.fcba.com/publications.cfm He > talks about his family some:He was born in Buffalo, NY in 1938, the > son of John William Gudgel and Marion Joyce. He has one sister and > one brother (deceased). He spoke of a store his grandfather ran on > Conway Street in Frankfort. I never knew that! Judge Gudgel's line > of descent is as follows:Paul D. Gudgel>John William Gudgel>Benjamin > Thomas Gudgel>Jacob Madison Gudgel> Elijah Gudgel>Jacob > Gudgel>Andrew, Gudgel, Sr. So Paul's grandfather, Benjamin Thomas > Gudgel, was a brother to my great grandfather, Allie Lee Gudgel. If > you have the time check out this interview- it makes some good > reading. I hope he will have time to get interested in his family > tree now. Lindafrom Kentucky- rainy and cold. First killing frost > was November 1st. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: TIP 414 - JUST PLAIN FOLKS Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:14:06 -0500 I'm sure some of our ancestors could relate to these ways of life. Linda > TIP 414 - JUST PLAIN FOLKS > > Kentucky is a wondrous blend of cultures, foods, music ... one can never > tire of encountering a new experience around every corner. What makes up > Kentucky folk? > > ARCHITECTURE: The architecture of Kentucky takes its form from the English, > Irish, and central European styles. Then toss in some pure Americana. As > one culture met another, they sometimes blended to become what is now known > as Kentucky architecture. The houses ranged from one family or two family > dwellings, the log cabin, with or without a loft; the saddlebag style home > which had two rooms built around a central chimney; the double-pen house (a > passageway between two units). One can also find two-story homes only one > room deep and the shotgun house which is one room wide and several rooms > deep. The early builders used the easily-recognizable logs, but soon added > stone, brick and frame structures. The styles vary from county to county > depending upon the nationality of the immigrants. Other factors influencing > the style of home was the availability of materials. Today, in the 21st > century, Kentucky housing has much blended into a general American style of > modern architecture with its double-car garages, security systems and > modern conveniences. But, if one gets off the main interstate and drives > the country lanes, many of the older style homes can be found. Log cabins > still stand, sturdy through the ages, but disguised now by siding, > guttering and a fresh paint job. > > ARTS, CRAFTS AND COLLECTIBLES: One thing I found endearing personally when > moving to Kentucky was the wonderful art styles. One can find yet the folk > art in roadside stands, gift shops and fairs. Some of the most beautiful, > if one could pick, would include the following: > > Quilts: I have always loved quilts arising from memories of my own > grandmother quilting the hours away. What was once just a necessity for a > poorly heated house is now a work of art treasured by collectors. Beautiful > patterns, names, dates, memories, all blending into a mosaic that would > rival the masters. > > Baskets: Basket making is one of the most interesting crafts in many parts > of the state. White oak baskets are in much demand and many craftsmen of > white oak reside in the Hart County area. Even the old baskets used by the > pioneers to gather eggs or hold produce is now a cherished collectible. > > Musical instruments: Kentuckians are well known for their musical talent > and their home-made instruments. More will be said on this later. > > Pottery: Many of the United States' finest potters can be found in > Kentucky. The famous Bybee Pottery is quite well known and many potters > work exactly as their predecessors with utilitarian pottery as well as > glazed ware. > > Shaker furniture: Known the world over and sought by many collectors is the > furniture made by the Shaker communities. Less well known was their oval > boxes, silk kerchiefs and their food. > > DANCING: Kentucky dancing is fun! Shunned by many of the early churches as > a punishable sin, dancing is an art form in itself. There are so many > varieties of dances known by the older generations that it would be > difficult to explain them all. Some of the most noted would include: > > Set running: This dance dates back to at least the 16th century and comes > from the British Isles. In this dance, each person takes a turn. Dancers > choose their partners and dance in turn with each of the other couples, > joining hands and making a circle. The first couple to lead out is the > caller and his partner. After the first couple has introduced each of the > others, they promenade and the second couple leads out in an easy lope. > This brief explanation is not meant to be a full description; set running > can still be found in parts of eastern Kentucky. > > Step dancing: In its earliest forms, step dancing was a solo dance to > lively music, many times improvised by the dancer on the floor. But over > time a style developed where the dancer's body was kept rigid; arms down at > the side or flailing about and the footwork a simple shuffle or a difficult > footwork. It was also called buck dancing, buck and wing, hoedown, jigging, > foot stomping or most commonly, clogging. One can watch this style of > dances in many places in the state and one becomes exhausted watching! > > Singing dances: Also called play-party dancing, this was also known as a > courting dance. From our childhood many of us can remember singing dances > or play-party dances with such favorites as skip-to-my-lou, jolly miller, > going to Boston, the old brass wagon and many more. Added to this was the > old African-American dances called jump Josie, Jennie Crack Corn. > Children's versions included the hokey pokey and ring around the rosie. > > Country dances: One might categorize this as square dancing of its various > forms; a time for the people to swap tales, court their sweetie, enjoy the > music and forget the cares of their lives. > > INSTRUMENTS: The only native instrument of Kentucky is reported to be the > dulcimer, still made lovingly by craftsmen. It is an uniquely Kentuckian > instrument, now found in both the lap and hammer dulcimer (which one day I > hope I can afford to have!) But other instruments heard in Kentucky music > would be the banjo, the mandolin, the fiddle, the guitar and the harmonica. > Many an early settler fashioned his own musical instruments that would bear > no resemblance to modern instruments. Animal skins - likely groundhogs - > stretched over a box (cigar boxes, dynamite boxes - anything handy!) with > screen wire for strings became fiddles. Bottles and jugs were blown into; > washboards scratched with a stick; washtubs became drums; bones, spoons, > saws, pocket combs covered with wax paper ... all could make heavenly music > to those pioneers. Forgetting their fatigue and the crops that failed, the > early Kentuckians could play their way into a better land of happiness and > beautiful music. > > FOLKLIFE: Kentucky is a blend of cultures like few others. Our family > fore-parents with European and African roots brought into Kentucky a blend > of life styles that continues to this day. Added to this were the Swiss, > Italian and Welsh. The latter are found primarily in eastern Kentucky but > have spread throughout the state. Germans settled northern Kentucky around > Louisville, and in western Kentucky. Now many Asian nationals from Japan, > Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia bring their life-styles to our state. > > I'll continue next week with a little on folk medicine and folk tales. > > I give full credit to this tip and other books and sites you can search below: > > Kentucky Encyclopedia, 1992, University Press of Kentucky. > Montell, William Lynoon and Morse, Michael Lynn, Kentucky Folk > Architecture, Lexington, KY 1976. > Arnow, Jan, By Southern Hands: A Celebration of Craft Traditions in the > South, Birmingham, AL, 1987. > Shaw, Lloyd, Cowboy dances, Caldwel, IN, 1945. > What Is Applachian Dance: http://www.earwicker.org/touchwood.htm > > (c) Copyright 31 October 2002, Sandra K.Gorin. All Rights Reserved. > sgorin@glasgow-ky.com > > Col. Sandi Gorin > Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ > GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin > SCKY resource links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html > > > > > > ==== KYRESEARCH Mailing List ==== > > From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: TIP 414 - JUST PLAIN FOLKS Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:31:17 -0600 OK Linda............... Sounds like you're stumpin' for the next Gudgel Gathering in Kentucky! 30+ degrees and election eve. I set up my the poll at 6a.m. gonna be a long day with supplemental ballots to count by hand. -jennette Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:05:56 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Nickolas descendants Are there any descendants of Nickolas Gudgel one of the sons of William last son of old Andrew? I don't know if he even had any descendants. He was in the Civil War Doyal Gudgel From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Juanita Diorio" Subject: Re: Gibson County Papers Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:31:36 -0600 Good idea, Juanita. The other day I was at the office supply place and found stationary with = an old fashioned winter scene........I'm going to "weave" a Christmas = letter and share our gathering with my line of relatives.......perhaps I'll find more folks to add to = our Gudgel list. Thanks again, Juanita -jennette gudgel -----Original Message----- From: Juanita Diorio To: Jana Whitehead ; Ardath Potts = ; Donna Whitehead ; Jean = Waterfill ; Jennette A. Gudgel = ; Juanita J Diorio ; Linda = Gudgel Finnell ; Mia Fleegel = ; Myrna Reynolds ; Pat = Agnew ; Reba Benson ; Ron = Woodfill ; Shirl Walker ; terri = montigny ; William Gudgel Date: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Gibson County Papers =20 =20 Hello Cousins! =20 I'm in search of the Gibson County Documents brought to the Gudgel = Gathering by the Historical Society speaker, Don Hoke. Where, oh where = are they? I would love to have copies! I think I heard someone say = that they would make copies. =20 =20 I hope all is well with all of you! I am still enjoying warm = memories of our time together. How I enjoyed each of you! =20 In the busy days ahead, please don't totally put out of your mind = the valuable information gleaned while at the Gudgel Gathering. It is = still my request that those discussions be shared with all us Gudgel = cousins. This is an ideal time to begin to weave the whole story of our = family. Would you please, as you are able, put together the part of = that story that you have come to understand to some degree. We all = appreciate the pieces of data about individuals that you continue to = share, but how nice it would be to paint the background more fully. = What an interesting story -- what an adventure the early lives and = movements of the Gudgels would weave. What a bedtime story to share = with our grandchildren! =20 May each of you share a delightful day of Thanks-giving with your = family. =20 Juanita Diorio From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Just stuff Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:59:53 -0500 Hi Folks- Jennette, I think that's a great idea to share the reunion memories at = Christmas with your family line. Very creative! Now that the elections are over I was wondering how many of we Gudgel's = are registered voters? My father, Norman Gudgel, raised his children to = consider voting to be our duty as Americans. He would say "this is the = one time you can have a say, but if you don't vote, you can't complain." = He made sure we went to register as soon as we turned 18. Dad was very = respectful of so many things and above all, he was very patriotic. He = loved the American Flag and what it stood for. He never served in the = Armed Forces due to having asthma and the fact his father died when he = was 17, however, his brother, Garland, served in the U.S. Navy. Anyway, = I was just wondering if most of you grew up with that same respect and = honor of your country. It's too bad that today's young people don't = seem to feel as deeply as we did growing up. Politics and Kentucky go together and have since there was such a thing. = Along with moonshine, barbeques, and horse racing! Another thing my Dad always said was that there were 3 things you don't = discuss with people......Religion, Politics and Money. And here I am = wondering out loud about voting. But I was only wondering.....not = getting personal . That's all for now....... And yes, I did go vote . >From Linda in Kentucky Cold and windy.....warmer next week. Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:13:18 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Just stuff I'm not afraid to tell everyone that I belong to no political party and will never join one, but I always vote and call those folks running for office (before they are elected) and bend their ear plenty good because after they are elected they never answer their phone. I was not raised to vote nor did our high school encourage it, but I was delighted to see that our son's high school government class made a big issue out of it and Loren went to a great deal of expense in the fall of '98 when he was in Singapore to arrange for his absentee ballot to be faxed to him so he could vote for the first time in our governatorial race. He always votes too, even though he has been at college these past few yrs. Chuck always votes too and asks that I fill out the sample ballot for him so he knows which ones to vote for. I can only assume he follows instructions. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hi Folks- Jennette, I think that's a great idea to share the reunion > memories at Christmas with your family line. Very creative! Now > that the elections are over I was wondering how many of we Gudgel's > are registered voters? My father, Norman Gudgel, raised his > children to consider voting to be our duty as Americans. He would > say "this is the one time you can have a say, but if you don't vote, > you can't complain." He made sure we went to register as soon as we > turned 18. Dad was very respectful of so many things and above all, > he was very patriotic. He loved the American Flag and what it stood > for. He never served in the Armed Forces due to having asthma and > the fact his father died when he was 17, however, his brother, > Garland, served in the U.S. Navy. Anyway, I was just wondering if > most of you grew up with that same respect and honor of your > country. It's too bad that today's young people don't seem to feel > as deeply as we did growing up. Politics and Kentucky go together > and have since there was such a thing. Along with moonshine, > barbeques, and horse racing! Another thing my Dad always said was > that there were 3 things you don't discuss with > people......Religion, Politics and Money. And here I am wondering > out loud about voting. But I was only wondering.....not getting > personal . That's all for now....... And yes, I did go vote > . From Lindain Kentucky Cold and windy.....warmer next week. From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:15:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: Gudgel gathering, etc. Hello Gudgel cousins, The Gudgel gathering was a tremendously inspiring experience for me. My husband, John, also feels that it was very special. And a big thing is that it was just downright fun. I think we do not have 'fun' on a very frequent basis as we grow older. When we are having fun, time flies. And that's what happened in Princeton. Due to technical difficulties (not Bob's), I have been off of the list for most of October. Now Bob has graciously sent me all of the mail I have missed. Also now, I am going to warble on about a subject that is near and dear to my heart. My father was drafted into World War II when I was 9 years old. My mother and I spent almost two years without him. He was 34 years old at the time. My uncle, whose mother was a Gudgel, was stationed at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. He wasn't injured. But the memories never left, and he took his own life ten years later. Another uncle was shot down on a mission to Munich, and held as a POW in Switzerland for a year or so. I remember this all too well. My brother served in Viet Nam and my husband was in the Navy during the Korean War. I had three great uncles who were in France at the same time durng World War I. (my grandfather was too young) So my patriotism runs strong and deep. We always vote; we fly the flag (even before 9-11); and we honor these men who served. I am a charter member of the World War II National Memorial Committee. I have submitted the service records and photos of all three of my family members to be placed in the Registry and on the website. If some of you would like to place friends and/or family on the Registry, go to www.wwiimemorial.com. I hope you will take the time to do this. If you do not already know it, most of these service records were destroyed in a fire in St. Louis years ago. Well, that's enough. Have a good day! God Bless America. Ardath Potts To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:40:51 -0800 Subject: To Vote or not To Vote Hello Cousins, I am a registered VOTER and I "VOTE" at every election that I am eligible to vote in whether it is Local or National.. However, I am a confirmed INDEPENDENT so I regularly split my ticket and vote for candidates irrespective of their party affiliation. In fact I manage to find qualified candidates to vote for in both of the major parties (and sometimes in the lesser parties) to vote for at every election. One last point ... One of the reasons I invested my time in this country by serving it in the U.S. Marines Corps was so you would continue to have the right to vote ... even if you do not agree with whom I choose to vote for. I hope you are taking advantage of your rights. BTW ... I confirmed this last Tuesday at the Election Polling Station ... If you do not vote during a presidential election, your name will be removed from the voter registry and you will have to reregister in order to vote at any future elections including your next local elections. Have a great week, Bill Gudgel, in Evansville, IN From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Re: Just stuff Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:34:13 -0600 Oh Linda........... My folks, too, raised us to take our voting privilege very seriously. = Mother was a=20 precinct judge in Calif. for over 50 years. (that's why I picked it up = when she had to quit (in her 80s) But I just have tell you about my experiences with the Hmong voters. = (these are the native people from Laos/Cambodia who helped our soldiers during the Vietnam = war) Several wanted help voting.......it was their first time and they wanted = me to fill in the oval for them. At first I was surprised, because when I read the name = of the candidate, they knew who they wanted...........and interesting, they all had split = tickets, so they=20 knew who they were voting for. At first, I thought it was a reading = challenge--and that may have been part of it, but on reflecting, I think they were afrraid = of making a=20 mistake so their vote wouldn't count. I think Old Andrew would be = proud. -jennette -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: Gudgel List Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: Just stuff =20 =20 Hi Folks- =20 Jennette, I think that's a great idea to share the reunion memories = at Christmas with your family line. Very creative! =20 Now that the elections are over I was wondering how many of we = Gudgel's are registered voters? My father, Norman Gudgel, raised his = children to consider voting to be our duty as Americans. He would say = "this is the one time you can have a say, but if you don't vote, you = can't complain." He made sure we went to register as soon as we turned = 18. Dad was very respectful of so many things and above all, he was = very patriotic. He loved the American Flag and what it stood for. He = never served in the Armed Forces due to having asthma and the fact his = father died when he was 17, however, his brother, Garland, served in the = U.S. Navy. Anyway, I was just wondering if most of you grew up with = that same respect and honor of your country. It's too bad that today's = young people don't seem to feel as deeply as we did growing up. =20 Politics and Kentucky go together and have since there was such a = thing. Along with moonshine, barbeques, and horse racing! =20 Another thing my Dad always said was that there were 3 things you = don't discuss with people......Religion, Politics and Money. And here I = am wondering out loud about voting. But I was only wondering.....not = getting personal . =20 That's all for now....... =20 And yes, I did go vote . =20 From Linda in Kentucky =20 Cold and windy.....warmer next week. =20 =20 =20 =20 From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Wm. E Gudgel" Subject: Re: To Vote or not To Vote Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:48:01 -0600 Sounds like the Gudgel's are pretty independent voters. I have a little, copper statue my Dad, Barney Gudgel, gave me. It is a four legged animal with an elephant head on one end and a donkey head on the other and the caption: "Vote for the best man".........needless to say............much has changed in the past 70 years, but the point is well made. The only reason I declare a party is that according to MN law, there must be representatives at each poll. I had 3 democrats, 3 independents, 1 green party and 1 republican. -jennette -----Original Message----- From: Wm. E Gudgel To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:44 AM Subject: To Vote or not To Vote >Hello Cousins, > > I am a registered VOTER and I "VOTE" at every election that I am >eligible to vote in whether it is Local or National.. > > However, I am a confirmed INDEPENDENT so I regularly split my ticket and >vote for candidates irrespective of their party affiliation. In fact I >manage to find qualified candidates to vote for in both of the major >parties (and sometimes in the lesser parties) to vote for at every >election. > > One last point ... One of the reasons I invested my time in this country >by serving it in the U.S. Marines Corps was so you would continue to have >the right to vote ... even if you do not agree with whom I choose to vote >for. I hope you are taking advantage of your rights. > > BTW ... I confirmed this last Tuesday at the Election Polling Station >... If you do not vote during a presidential election, your name will be >removed from the voter registry and you will have to reregister in order >to vote at any future elections including your next local elections. > >Have a great week, >Bill Gudgel, in Evansville, IN > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today >Only $9.95 per month! >Visit www.juno.com > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Words of Wisdom Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:59:07 -0500 It's been interesting to read some of the comments that I received = (privatelyy and through the list) from some of our list members = regarding voting practices. While we are at this I wonder who would = like to share some words of wisdom that you got from your Gudgel family? = Or who was the one that influenced you most and why? Maybe we will find some stories here that need to be recorded and passed = on. Genealogy is more than dates and names. It's stories like these = that need to be passed on. Hope we will hear from some of you. Linda,=20 from Kentucky near perfect fall weekend coming up! This will be the last good weekend = for fall color they say. This is my favorite time of year. Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 07:18:02 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Words of Wisdom Words of widom. " The graveyards are full of people the world couldn't do without" Doyal Gudgel Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > It's been interesting to read some of the comments that I received > (privatelyy and through the list) from some of our list members > regarding voting practices. While we are at this I wonder who would > like to share some words of wisdom that you got from your Gudgel > family? Or who was the one that influenced you most and why? > Maybe we will find some stories here that need to be recorded and > passed on. Genealogy is more than dates and names. It's stories like > these that need to be passed on. > > > Hope we will hear from some of you. > > Linda, > from Kentucky > > near perfect fall weekend coming up! This will be the last good > weekend for fall color they say. This is my favorite time of year. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Words of Wisdom Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:39:52 -0500 Thank you for sharing, Lois. I didn't know your father, John Edward Gudgell, but this tells me a = little about the kind of person he was. I hope others will share also. >From the information I also see you had many ties to the Armed Forces = through your family. We, as Americans, also salute your willingness as = a volunteer at the polls. Linda from Kentucky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lois Miller=20 To: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Words of Wisdom Words of Wisdom from my father John Edward Gudgell "Use a little discretion" He served in the 1st World War and my three brothers served in World War = II. Election Day and Veterans Day were always very important to him and = to the rest of the family. (I'm thinking Veterans' Day used to called = by another name but can't say what it was) I serve as an Election Judge here in Prophetstown and do enjoy the = lonnngg day! Lois Gudgell Miller..............Illinois ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:59 PM Subject: Words of Wisdom It's been interesting to read some of the comments that I received = (privatelyy and through the list) from some of our list members = regarding voting practices. While we are at this I wonder who would = like to share some words of wisdom that you got from your Gudgel family? = Or who was the one that influenced you most and why? Maybe we will find some stories here that need to be recorded and = passed on. Genealogy is more than dates and names. It's stories like = these that need to be passed on. Hope we will hear from some of you. Linda,=20 from Kentucky near perfect fall weekend coming up! This will be the last good = weekend for fall color they say. This is my favorite time of year. From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" Subject: More reflections on the Gudgel Gathering Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:51:07 -0600 Hi Folks! Not to sound trite.........considering all the experiences I've had in = my lifetime.......... but I have to say that the Gudgel Gathering was truly life-changing for = me, and I keep thinking back on the weekend, and remembering your faces as I read your = email messages. For someone who has moved 37 times in my life, lived in 8 states and had = 3 very=20 different careers, I found it absolutely amazing to think that some of = the Gudgels have lived in Gibson Count since Old Andrew settled there.........and = even more amazing that Old Andrew's farm is still owned by Gudgels. (For those of = us who=20 were a part of the California migration in the 1930s and 40s it is truly = awesome.) Can't remember if I mentioned it before, it's interesting that only two = of us at the Gudgel Gathering actually had the last name "Gudgel"--Bill and me. Not a big = deal, but it does=20 tell me that family is more important than name. Also reflecting, it was interesting that most of us were children of = "The Greatest Generation". Guess that means that we're at the point in life where our roots really = matter...........also that we have the time and money to gather. Now for the "biggie"...........I got to playing around with some = averages.............. Old Andrew had 13 children, if each of them averaged 7 children =3D 91 if each of them averaged 5 =3D 455, and if those averaged 4 =3D = 1,820 and if those averaged 2 =3D 3,640 ("Greatest Generation") and if we averaged 2 =3D 7,280 and if our kids averaged 2 =3D 14,560 WOW! Not counting inlaws and = outlaws! Now I know some of the "professional" geneologists in the group will = have a=20 more accurate number, in fact, for some of you, I may have missed a = generation. Just think the power of 1 (plus 3 wives)! Have a great day! -jennette From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:53:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Klez virus' getting to gudgel list archive Hi Folks, Bob Gudgel here... I have been getting very weird Klez worm virus emails to the gudgel list archive in the last few days. I am trying to get rid of them best I can but it is a real fight. There are very strange emails with subjects like: Warning: could not send message for past 1 day Returned mail: Cannot send message within 2 days Warning: could not send message Delivery Status Notification (Failure) Which, wen I find them, I filter them out and my spam filter catches the rest of them and then they change the subject line and I have to start over again. So, just be aware that something is happening here. Also, be aware that I will change the paramaters of the gudgel list smartlist program so that it will rejcect email less than about 15 kilobytes. Right now it is set to reject at 40000 bytes. Usual gudgel list emails are less than 10k for sure. that's all for now. But be careful what email you open from anyone you don't recognize as a good email address or seems strange in the least. thanks, boB PS It's rainy yechy weather here in Seattle-Everett Washington today. From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:08:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: testing my email Hello Gudgel cousins, I'm testing my email reception to and from the gudgel-list. I'll take this opportunity to wish you all a blessed Thanksgivng. Ardath Potts From: "Juanita Diorio" Subject: Answer to Question Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:08:25 -0500 Dear Cousins, A few weeks ago I asked for some "how to" help. I have puzzled over the = way to separate one line (i.e. Gudgel Descendants) from the remainder of = my Family Tree Maker data that includes all sides of my family. Thanks = to a friend, Jerry Murphy, who is often a contributor to the Gibson = County Historical Society Newsletter, I now have the answer. And it is = embarassingly simple! This is it in a nutshell: In your Family Tree Maker program, highlight = the name of the ancestor (Frederick Gotshall, for example). Click on = the Descendant Tree icon. In the File menu click "Copy/Export = Individuals in Descendant Tree". Give the new file a new name and click = Save. Easy, right? Now we will be able to GedCom a file that includes = just the Gudgels. By the way, my file is 5.6MB in size. It could be = zipped to save space. Have a very Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Juanita Diorio Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:50:13 -0500 From: ron woodfill Subject: another Gudgel I was watching a program "Youth of the Third Reich" on public television the other night and a person in the youth movement was a Werner Gottshaul. I would assume this is another way of spelling Gudgel. Has anyone ever attempted to connect the tribe that is here to the Germanic tribe? captron From: "Stephen Gudgel" <932762318@terra.es> Subject: Erik Gudgel Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:04:54 +0100 Hi Cousins, You probably remember that last summer, in August, my sister Connie = Phillips wrote about our nephew Erik Gudgel who was in Christ Hospital = in Oak Lawn (near Chicago) with a serious heart condition. Many of you = were kind enough to write to Erik, which made him very happy and I know = he wrote back to some, if not all, of you. =20 To give you an update, he was taken off the special heart pump machine = in September, and after hours of surgery was back on his own, using his = own heart with a defibulator and after a few days of recuperation from = that dramatic surgery, he was released to go back to Hoopeston (IL) to = stay with his father, my brother Eddie, under the condition he return to = Christ Hospital weekly for a check-up. That went well, but eventually = his defibulator stopped working correctly, so he had to return for = another operation (he's had many since last May) to have a new one = installed. That turned out to be a quick operation and he was in and = out of the hosptial in a couple of days. After that, he was doing very = well, having gained back weight and muscles, but the Sunday before = Thanksgiving, he came down with a serious infection and his temperature = was dangerously high, so he had to be taken back to Christ Hospital and = has been there in Intensive Care ever since. They have managed to get = his fever down, but it tends to go back up again later. He is having a = very hard time. =20 Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers. He's only 25 and he's had = a very hard year. =20 If any of you want to write him a note, here is the address of the = hospital. There is no room number, as he is still in IC. Erik Gudgel c/o Christ Hospital 4440 W 95th St Oak Lawn IL=20 60453 Stephen Gudgel Barcelona From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Season's Greetings Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:43:48 -0500 Hello to all my GUDGEL Cousins- I have been out of the circle lately due to a computer virus. I have no = idea how in the world I got this. I had the latest Norton Anti Virus = Protection Program and it was running just fine and being updated = timely. Well, this was the Worm-Klez.H virus that somehow got past my = Norton program and infected that program also. So if you have been = getting some strange emails from me that is why. This worm attacks the = address book as well as other files and programs. Makes me want to = unsubscribe from all my mail lists (except this one!). I now have a new = program that's better than Norton or McAfee called AVG. It will certify = all of my activities as Virus Free. We'll see. I can't understand for = the life of me why someone would want to cause such problems for others = by doing this. =20 I want to extend my Christmas Wishes to each of you. May you all enjoy = the holidays. I have taken a week off again this year to finalize our = Historical Society's annual Holiday Historic Homes Tour to be held = Saturday, 12/14. We are 3 days away!! If the weather holds we will do = fine. We have a great selection of homes this year. More later, Linda from Kentucky.....rainy, and cold...temp. is right above freezing. = (Hoping for no rain on Saturday....but a few snow flurries would sure be = festive for the Tour). Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:25:07 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: Re: Snow at last in the north, Season's Greetings Thank you Linda for your greetings and I relay the same to all of you. I was hoping to be able to contribute some new information on WWII personnel data but I'll just have to wait a few more months. Wish I could send you a photo of our (finally) white Christmas season here in the north. As of two days ago we were warmer than most all of you. We had temps in the 40s and some folks even had pansies blooming in their yards. Unheard of! Holiday greetings to you all, Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:33:42 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Season's Greetings Linda said I can't understand for the life of me why someone would want to cause such problems for others by doing this. Well there is Al Quaeda, Saddam Hussen for starters. What I do to combat the Virus is use Netscape, The Kleez seems to do bad things to MSN Outlook express not Netscape. But besides I have an email program MailWasher which lists the email on the ISP and can be looked at without before downloading. the message. I delete any suspicious email without downloading it to my email program. It also is an anti virus program. It also identifies spam and it will delete spam so it does not get downloaded to my computer. So far I have been saved from viruses by being very vigilant. AVG is the anti virus program I use.Very good. Mailwasher is free but I paid for mine to get any help when necessary. Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > Hello to all my GUDGEL Cousins- > I have been out of the circle lately due to a computer virus. I have <<>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:44:48 -0500 From: Connie Phillips To: dianeh@corecom.net Subject: Re: Snow at last in the north, Season's Greetings I also would like to wish everyone the merriest of Holiday Season and although I am sitting here in my shorts, the windows are open, and contrary to what others think, there is Christmas spirit all around us in the deep south. Florida is all aglow with sights of Santa, Palm trees all lit up and people helping one another. The boat parades start next week so it is different but still very pretty. I can take lots more of 75 to 80 degrees than I can that cold. Come on down! The Christmas lights are beautiful. We will be in SC for the Christmas holidays with our children and Grandchildren and it is only 40's there. Guess I have to dig out the old coats again. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all the Gudgel cousins Connie Phillips Punta Gorda Florida PS To Dianne- the offer still stands to come visit. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: One Of My Most Favorite Christmas Stories Ever Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:11:41 -0500 This is one of those Holiday Stories that require you to have a Klennex handy. Happy Holidays from our humble home to yours.=20 Merry Christmas. Linda - from Kentucky =20 Pa never had much compassion for the lazy or those who squandered their = means and then never had enough for the necessities. But for those who = were genuinely in need, his heart was as big as all outdoors. It was = from him that I learned the greatest joy in life comes from giving, not = from receiving. > > > > It was Christmas Eve 1881. > > > > I was fifteen years old and feeling like the world > > had caved in on me because there just hadn't been > > enough money to buy me the rifle that I'd wanted for > > Christmas. We did the chores early that night for some reason. > > I just figured Pa wanted a little extra time so we > > could read in the Bible. > > > > After supper was over I took my boots off and stretched > > out in front of the fireplace and waited for Pa to get > > down the old Bible. I was still feeling sorry for myself > > and, to be honest, I wasn't in much of a mood to read > > Scriptures. > > > > But Pa didn't get the Bible, instead he bundled up again > > and went outside. I couldn't figure it out because we had > > already done all the chores. > > > > I didn't worry about it long though, I was too busy > > wallowing in self-pity. > > > > Soon Pa came back in. > > > > It was a cold clear night out and there was ice in his > > beard. "Come on, Matt," he said. "Bundle up good, it's > > cold out tonight." I was really upset then. Not only > > wasn't I getting the rifle for Christmas, now Pa was > > dragging me out in the cold, and for no earthly reason > > that I could see. > > > > We'd already done all the chores, and I couldn't think > > of anything else that needed doing, especially not on > > a night like this. > > > > But I knew Pa was not very patient at one dragging one's > > feet when he'd told them to do something, so I got up and > > put my boots back on and got my cap, coat, and mittens. > > > > Ma gave me a mysterious smile as I opened the door to > > leave the house. Something was up, but I didn't know what. > > > > Outside, I became even more dismayed. There in front of the > > house was the work team, already hitched to the big sled. > > > > Whatever it was we were going to do wasn't going to be a > > short, quick, little job. I could tell. We never hitched > > up this sled unless we were going to haul a big load. > > > > Pa was already up on the seat, reins in hand. I reluctantly > > climbed up beside him. The cold was already biting at me. > > I wasn't happy. When I was on, Pa pulled the sled around t > > he house and stopped in front of the woodshed. > > > > He got off and I followed. "I think we'll put on the high > > sideboards," he said. "Here, help me." The high sideboards! > > It had been a bigger job than I wanted to do with just the > > low sideboards on, but whatever it was we were going to do > > would be a lot bigger with the high sideboards on. > > > > After we had exchanged the sideboards, Pa went into the > > woodshed and came out with an armload of wood---the wood > > I'd spent all summer hauling down from the mountain, and > > then all Fall sawing into blocks and splitting. > > > > What was he doing? Finally I said something; > > > > "Pa," I asked, "what are you doing? > > > > "You been by the Widow Jensen's lately?" he asked. > > > > The Widow Jensen lived about two miles down the road. > > > > Her husband had died a year or so before and left her > > with three children, the oldest being eight. Sure, I'd > > been by, but so what? > > > > "Yeah," I said, "Why?" > > > > "I rode by just today," Pa said. "Little Jakey was out > > digging around in the woodpile trying to find a few > > chips. They're out of wood, Matt." > > > > That was all he said and then he turned and went back into > > the woodshed for another armload of wood. I followed him. We > > loaded the sled so high that I began to wonder if the horses > > would be able to pull it. Finally, Pa called a halt to our > > loading, then we went to the smoke house and Pa took down a > > big ham and a side of bacon. He handed them to me and told me > > to put them in the sled and wait. > > > > When he returned he was carrying a sack of flour over his > > right shoulder and a smaller sack of something in his left > > hand. > > > > "What's in the little sack?" I asked. > > > > "Shoes. They're out of shoes. Little Jakey just had gunny > > sacks wrapped around his feet when he was out in the woodpile > > this morning. I got the children a little candy too.It just > > wouldn't be Christmas without a little candy." > > > > We rode the two miles to Widow Jensen's pretty much in silence. > > > > I tried to think through what Pa was doing. We didn't have much > > by worldly standards. Of course, we did have a big woodpile, > > though most of what was left now was still in the form of logs > > that I would have to saw into blocks and split before we could > > use it. > > > > We also had meat and flour, so we could spare that, but I knew > > we didn't have any money, so why was Pa buying them shoes and > > candy? > > > > Really, why was he doing any of this? Widow Jensen had closer > > neighbours than us; it shouldn't have been our concern. We came > > in from the blind side of the Jensen house and unloaded the wood > > as quietly as possible, then we took the meat and flour and shoes > > to the door. > > > > We knocked. The door opened a crack and a timid voice said, > > > > "Who is it?" > > > > "Lucas Miles, Ma'am, and my son, Matt. > > Could we come in for a bit?" > > > > Widow Jensen opened the door and let us in. > > > > She had a blanket wrapped around her shoulders. The > > children were wrapped in another and were sitting in > > front of the fireplace by a very small fire that hardly > > gave off any heat at all. Widow Jensen fumbled with a > > match and finally lit the lamp. > > > > "We brought you a few things, Ma'am," Pa said and set > > down the sack of flour. I put the meat on the table. Then > > Pa handed her the sack that had the shoes in it. > > > > She opened it hesitantly and took the shoes out one pair > > at a time. There was a pair for her and one for each of > > the children---sturdy shoes, the best, shoes that would > > last. > > > > I watched her carefully. She bit her lower lip to keep it > > from trembling and then tears filled her eyes and started > > running down her cheeks. She looked up at Pa like she wanted > > to say something, but it wouldn't come out. > > > > "We brought a load of wood too, Ma'am," Pa said. He turned to > > me and said, "Matt, go bring in enough to last awhile. Let's > > get that fire up to size and heat this place up. > > > > " I wasn't the same person when I went back out to bring in the > > wood. I had a big lump in my throat and as much as I hate to > > admit it, there were tears in my eyes too. In my mind I kept > > seeing those three kids huddled around the fireplace and their > > mother standing there with tears running down her cheeks with > > so much gratitude in her heart that she couldn't speak. > > > > My heart swelled within me and a joy that I'd never known before, > > filled my soul. I had given at Christmas many times before, but > > never when it had made so much difference. I could see we were > > literally saving the lives of these people. I soon had the fire > > blazing and everyone's spirits soared. > > > > The kids started giggling when Pa handed them each a piece of > > candy and Widow Jensen looked on with a smile that probably > > hadn't crossed her face for a long time. She finally turned to > > us. > > > > "God bless you," she said. "I know the Lord has sent you. The > > children and I have been praying that he would send one of > > his angels to spare us." > > > > In spite of myself, the lump returned to my throat and the > > tears welled up in my eyes again. I'd never thought of Pa > > in those exact terms before, but after Widow Jensen mentioned > > it I could see that it was probably true. I was sure that a > > better man than Pa had never walked the earth. > > > > I started remembering all the times he had gone out of his way > > for Ma and me, and many others. The list seemed endless as I > > thought on it. > > > > Pa insisted that everyone try on the shoes before we left. I > > was amazed when they all fit and I wondered how he had known > > what sizes to get. Then I guessed that if he was on an errand > > for the Lord that the Lord would make sure he got the right > > sizes. > > > > Tears were running down Widow Jensen's face again when we stood > > up to leave. > > > > Pa took each of the kids in his big arms and gave them a hug. They > > clung to him and didn't want us to go. I could see that they missed > > their Pa, and I was glad that I still had mine. > > > > At the door Pa turned to Widow Jensen and said, > > > > "The Mrs. wanted me to invite you and the children over for > > Christmas dinner tomorrow. The turkey will be more than the > > three of us can eat, and a man can get cantankerous if he > > has to eat turkey for too many meals. We'll be by to get you > > about eleven. It'll be nice to have some little ones around > > again. Matt, here, hasn't been little for quite a spell." > > > > I was the youngest. My two brothers and two sisters had all > > married and had moved away. > > > > Widow Jensen nodded and said, > > > > "Thank you, Brother Miles. I don't have to say, > > "'May the Lord bless you,' I know for certain that He will." > > > > Out on the sled I felt a warmth that came from deep within > > and I didn't even notice the cold. > > > > When we had gone a ways, Pa turned to me and said, > > > > "Matt, I want you to know something. Your ma and me have been > > tucking a little money away here and there all year so we could > > buy that rifle for you, but we didn't have quite enough. Then > > yesterday a man who owed me a little money from years back came > > by to make things square. > > > > Your ma and me were real excited, thinking that now we could get > > you that rifle, and I started into town this morning to do just > > that. But on the way I saw little Jakey out scratching in the > > woodpile with his feet wrapped in those gunny sacks and I knew > > what I had to do. > > > > Son, I spent the money for shoes and a little candy for those > > children. I hope you understand." > > > > I understood, and my eyes became wet with tears again. I > > understood very well, and I was so glad Pa had done it. > > > > Now the rifle seemed very low on my list of priorities. Pa had > > given me a lot more. He had given me the look on Widow Jensen's > > face and the radiant smiles of her three children. > > > > For the rest of my life, Whenever I saw any of the Jensens, > > or split a block of wood, I remembered, and remembering brought > > back that same joy I felt riding home beside Pa that night. > > > > Pa had given me much more than a rifle that night, > > he had given me the best Christmas of my life. > > Hope you all enjoyed! May God Bless You and Yours. From: "Connie Phillips" To: "Steve" Subject: Happy New Year to all Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:19:44 -0500 Cousins, I found this list on line so hope it is correct. Our wish is for Health = and Happiness in 2003 to all. Connie and Phil Phillips Punta Gorda, FL temp 81 ( overcast.) Say HAPPY NEW YEAR the wide world 'round.... Arabic: Kul 'aam u antum salimoun Chinese: Chu Shen Tan Czechoslovakia: Scastny Novy Rok Dutch: Gullukkig Niuw Jaar Finnish: Onnellista Uutta Vuotta French: Bonne Annee German: Prosit Neujahr Greek: Eftecheezmaenos o Kaenooryos hronos Hebrew: L'Shannah Tovah Tikatevu Hindi: Niya Saa Moobaarak Irish (Gaelic): Bliain nua fe mhaise dhuit Italian: Buon Capodanno Khmer: Sua Sdei tfnam tmei Laotian: Sabai dee pee mai Polish: Szczesliwego Nowego Roku Portuguese: Feliz Ano Novo Russian: S Novim Godom Serbo-Croatian: Scecna nova godina Spanish: Feliz Ano Neuvo Prospero Ano Nuevo Turkish: Yeni Yiliniz Kutlu Olsun Vietnamese: Cung-Chuc Tan-Xuan In any language, Happy New Year! Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:33:37 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Gayle Gudgel I suppose you all knew that Gayle is the mayor of Tovey Ill? No? Well, she is. Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:40:01 -0800 Subject: GFC Newsletter in Willard Library From: "Wm. E Gudgel" Hello Cousins, Good news, actually it is GREAT NEWS. I took the first three years of The Gudgel Family Connections Newsletter (GFC) to Willard Library and told them that I would be bringing the forth year (2002) as soon as I finished the 2002 Master Index. They were very happy to get the issues and told me that they were impressed with our research and how we present the information to our readers. They sent me a "Thank You For Your Donation" letter for our donation and have informed me that they are going to hard bind all four years then file the finished book with the other Family Genealogy Books in the Special Collections Department (Genealogy Research Section). The finished book should be on the shelf by the end of January 2003 and will be saved as a permanent record for future Gudgel's to read. You can be proud of the fact that many of you have contributed the information in these issues. The next time you are in Willard Library, Evansville, Indiana ... look for our book. It will have the same title as the newsletter ... The Gudgel Family Connections Newsletter ( 1999-2002). More great news. Hard as it may be to believe ... We are entering our fifth year of publication for the GFC Newsletter. Isn't that wonderful? Those who need to renew their Subscription will receive reminders with either the January 2003 issue or the April 2003 Issue ... depending on when you need to renew. We look forward to publishing more great Gudgel articles for our subscribers to read in 2003. If you are not a subscriber and are interested, please contact me for details. Thank you for your support, Bill Gudgel, GFC Newsletter Editor From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , "gudgel-list" Subject: Re: Gayle Gudgel Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:49:13 -0800 Hello Who is Gayle Gudgel? And where is Tovey Illinois? Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Johnson" To: "gudgel-list" Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: Gayle Gudgel : I suppose you all knew that Gayle is the mayor of Tovey Ill? No? : Well, she is. : : From gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 2 10:31:32 2003 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA10752; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:29:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:29:38 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c2b28d$9b8c6f00$81675acf@default> From: "Juanita Diorio" To: "Gudgel" Subject: Re: Tammy Cross Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:34:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2B263.B180A620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <"GEBEu.0.ed2.FK85-"@mx1> Resent-From: gudgel-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2565 X-Loop: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: gudgel-list-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2B263.B180A620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is to let you know of the death of a Gudgel cousin. Those of you = who joined us at the Gudgel Gathering in Gibson County, Indiana in = October met Tamara Sue Cross and her mother Vernita Coplen and sister = Lee Ann Holtzmeyer. They were three of the locals who joined us for = part of the weekend. Tammy died of cancer on December 29, 2002. She is = one of the younger cousins in the group picture at the old Gudgel Farm = Cemetery. What sad news. Juanita Diorio Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:54:05 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Re: Gayle Gudgel I don't know where it is. I found it by some search engine. I don't know how current the information is either. The population was just over 500 so it might be hard to find on a map. Doyal Gudgel Sr. Vivian Gudgel wrote: >Hello >Who is Gayle Gudgel? And where is Tovey Illinois? >Vivian From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: , "gudgel-list" Subject: Re: Gayle Gudgel Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:16:06 -0800 I looked up Tovey, Illinois if anyone is interested. Tovey, Illinois is S.E. of Springfield in Christian County, but I don't know who Gayla Gudgel is. Vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Johnson" To: "gudgel-list" Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: Gayle Gudgel : I suppose you all knew that Gayle is the mayor of Tovey Ill? No? : Well, she is. : : From: "Juanita Diorio" To: "William Gudgel" Subject: Connections Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:20:20 -0500 Dear Bill, What a great job you did on the Gudgel Family Connections newsletter!!!! = Congratulations. The October Gudgel Gathering article captured the mood of the weekend as = well as giving an accurate account of our activities. I was very = pleased with it. Thank you. We certainly had a warm and happy time = together, didn't we?=20 Also, you have been working hard to develop articles and writers for = future publications. It sounds VERY interesting, and I look forward to = each issue. You have obviously put much thought and time into it. I = appreciate it! I'm certain that, with a little gentle persuasion from = you, and perhaps some topic suggestions, many more articles will develop = -- documented pieces of the Gudgel story. If you can continue to = stimulate all of us to gather our data and write our contributions, = Connections will be a goldmine of Gudgel information of interest to all. = Good for you! Keep up the good work! Juanita Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:22:07 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: Sherman Gudgel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear cyber cousins, Just got a phone call from a lady who has just moved to Alaska and wants to know more about her family. She says her father's name is Steven Gudgel and he lives in Idaho and she thinks his father was Sherman Gudgel. Those of you who are organized, can you please look up and see who Sherman's siblings and children were? Or maybe one of you have a Steve in ID. Sorry the lady really didn't have a clue as to her background. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Sherman Gudgel line Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:13:04 -0500 Diane- I have a Sherman Gudgel with a son named Steven. Maybe this is = the correct one. Descendants of Sherman Edward Gudgel Generation No. 1 1. SHERMAN EDWARD7 GUDGEL (AMOS6, PHILIP SHERIDAN5, HENRY THOMAS4, = WILLIAM3, ANDREW2 GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 GOTTSCHALK) was born May 13, 1916 = in Cherry Co., NE. He married MARGIE HARTGRAVE MCINTYRE August 23, 1939 = in Springview, NE. She was born December 05, 1915 in Cherry Co., NE. Children of SHERMAN GUDGEL and MARGIE MCINTYRE are: i. ARDITH MCINTYRE8 GUDGEL, b. June 12, 1934, Johnstown, NE. ii. EMILY ARBELL GUDGEL, b. May 22, 1940, Brown Co., NE. iii. ALYCE LUICELLE GUDGEL, b. June 12, 1942, Ainsworth, NE; d. November = 23, 1989, Nampa, Idaho. 2. iv. EDWARD GUDGEL, b. April 16, 1944, Ainsworth, NE. 3. v. STEVEN LYLE GUDGEL, b. April 27, 1945, Ainsworth, NE. 4. vi. MICHAEL ALLEN GUDGEL, b. August 18, 1948, Ainsworth, NE. Generation No. 2 2. EDWARD8 GUDGEL (SHERMAN EDWARD7, AMOS6, PHILIP SHERIDAN5, HENRY = THOMAS4, WILLIAM3, ANDREW2 GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 GOTTSCHALK) was born = April 16, 1944 in Ainsworth, NE. He married DIANE HEFLEY May 22, 1966 in = Nampa, Idaho. She was born January 30, 1946 in Boise, Idaho. Children of EDWARD GUDGEL and DIANE HEFLEY are: i. KATHLEEN9 GUDGEL, b. July 11, 1968, Nampa, Idaho. ii. KRISTI RUTH GUDGEL, b. May 08, 1975, Nampa, Idaho. 3. STEVEN LYLE8 GUDGEL (SHERMAN EDWARD7, AMOS6, PHILIP SHERIDAN5, HENRY = THOMAS4, WILLIAM3, ANDREW2 GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 GOTTSCHALK) was born = April 27, 1945 in Ainsworth, NE. He married (1) JHAMMIE LEE FENN. He = married (2) HAZEL MARIE WARD April 27, 1983 in Pocatello, ID. She was = born November 27, 1944 in Caldwell, Idaho. Children of STEVEN GUDGEL and JHAMMIE FENN are: i. STEVEN JAMES9 GUDGEL, b. May 22, 1966, Nampa, Idaho; d. May 22, 1966. ii. DAVID DUANE GUDGEL, b. July 20, 1967, Klamath Falls, OR. iii. GARY LYLE GUDGEL, b. May 11, 1970, Nampa, Idaho. iv. RICK ALAN GUDGEL, b. November 29, 1972, Nampa, Idaho. v. CHERI LEE GUDGEL, b. March 24, 1975, Caldwell, Idaho. 4. MICHAEL ALLEN8 GUDGEL (SHERMAN EDWARD7, AMOS6, PHILIP SHERIDAN5, = HENRY THOMAS4, WILLIAM3, ANDREW2 GUDSHALL, FREDERICK1 GOTTSCHALK) was = born August 18, 1948 in Ainsworth, NE. He married (1) DAYLENE DILLABAUGH = March 03, 1967. She was born May 16, 1950 in Nampa, Idaho. He married = (2) TAMMY LOU CLARK July 11, 1987. She was born June 28, 1965 in = Calgary, Canada. Children of MICHAEL GUDGEL and DAYLENE DILLABAUGH are: i. MICHELLE SUE9 GUDGEL, b. October 26, 1967, Nampa, Idaho. ii. BRADLEY GUDGEL, b. October 10, 1971, Nampa, FL. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: Gudgel surname Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:16:27 -0500 I received this reply from a Carolyn Gudgel who I found on GenForum. She was researching the JUMPER surname. Can anyone place her husband in our tree? If you contact her please respond to the list also so that we can all share this. Thanks, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Gudgel" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Gudgel surname > Hello Linda, > It is very nice to hear from a "Gudgel"! Gudgel is my married name. I have > conducted several searches and can never come up with anything to connect to > my husbands family. His father Harold Gudgel comes from Illinois. His family > also from Illinois. I do not know very much about them other than Harold had > brothers: Richard, Bill, Thomas, & Jack are the only ones I know of. I have > been told that there were more siblings! Harold's mother was a Margaret > Spaulding (last married name). We know absolutely NOTHING about Harold's > father. Not even a name! It has always been a hush-hush secret, and we do > not know why! All we do know is that Margaret was an unwed mother at the > time she conceived Harold and he supposedly took his grandparents last name. > He was brought up as the grandparents child and hence Richard, Bill, Thomas, > etc. are REALLY his uncles. The only blood brother he has is Jack that I > know of. Any information or light you could share on this family name would > be greatly appreciated. I have traced all my lines and have information for > my children's knowledge. I believe it to be imperative that we pass our > roots on so we live even in death. But, again, I have run into brick walls > over the Gudgels. Either no one knows or doesn't want to talk about it! > Thank you in advance for any information you may have that could be of help. > Sincerely, > Carolyn Gudgel > 3722 FM 2649 > Lone Oak, TX 75453 > > > > > > > >From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" > >To: > >Subject: Gudgel surname > >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:56:37 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by > >mc6-f12.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 20 Jan > >2003 19:57:11 -0800 > >Received: from sdn-ap-006tnnashp0070.dialsprint.net ([63.185.48.70] > >helo=finnell)by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1)id > >18apWg-0004sA-00for Carolyngudgel@hotmail.com; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:56:39 > >-0500 > >Message-ID: <000a01c2c101$19f01e10$4630b93f@finnell> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > >Return-Path: lfinnell@infi.net > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2003 03:57:11.0210 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[2CE490A0:01C2C101] > > > >Hi Carolyn- > >I found your email address on the Jumper Genealogy.com Forum when I did a > >general search on GUDGEL. I am always interested in the GUDGEL surname and > >wondered if you would share your lineage of the GUDGEL's. I have searched > >this surname for more than 20 years and haven't found a GUDGEL that I > >couldn't connect to. > >Thanks, > > > >Linda Gudgel Finnell > >from Kentucky > > From Gudgeld@aol.com Wed Jan 22 22:00:19 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:18:56 EST From: Gudgeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Sherman Gudgel Hi Linda and Diane: Linda's material is correct, with a few exceptions. Sherman Edward GUDGEL was my fathers brother. Sherman died a couple of years ago. His wife, Margie, died three or four years ago. Linda's files indicate that their daughter Alyce died in 1989, which is correct, but does not indicate that their son Michael died last year. The last I knew, Steven lived in Pocatello, ID. I haven't seen him for years, but I have seen his brother Edward fairly recently and saw his father, Sherman, shortly before he died. The other discrepancy is that Philip Sheridan GUDGEL was not the son of Henry T. GUDGEL, but was the illegitimate child of Henry's widow, Sarah Ann JOHNSON GUDGEL, so the GUDGEL named ancestors for Sherman do not go back beyond Philip. I have spent weeks in Illinois trying to find who Philip's true father was and although I am sure I know who it was, I have no proof or original documentation, and am about convinced I never will. By the way, we are not sure whether Philip's name is spelled Philip (one l) or Phillip (two l's). I have a number of documents that he signed and he seemed to spell it both ways. As a matter of concern for peoples privacy, I do not put information on living individuals anywhere on the Internet. Therefore, if the lady that contacted Diane would like to contact me, I will be happy to share what information I have on her family. I believe my information is complete for the entire descendancy of Philip Sheridan GUDGEL except for some very recent additions that I may not have heard about. Dave Gudgel Tucson, AZ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:45:24 -0800 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Unknown tintypes I have an old family bible in the family since my G Grandfather married in Springfield MO after the Civil War in 1867, Inside the bible were some tintypes of people who were not named. Perhaps someone descended from William Gudgel and Sarah Thurman might have pictures that are identified. Please look at the pictures linked below and help me if you can. It is a long shot but it is worth a chance. Bob can put them on the web site if he wants I would think they were relatives of Sarah Jones who he married the first time. Thomas Jefferson Gudgel's father was Henry T Gudgel. He was the son of William Gudgel Doyal Gudgel Sr. Please go to this link and see http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/tintypesunk.html From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Confusing Twigs and Branches : ) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:40:38 -0500 Hi Folks- I'm trying to figure out some areas of my research that are not quite = clear or maybe I have them on the wrong branches! Hope someone can = help: Question #1: Does anyone have any children listed for Holland Porter GUDGELL and = Sally Evelyn Spindell who married in 1902? I have an old obit from 1993 = for a Floyd GUDGELL of Fullerton, NE, who was the son of Elmer and Artie = (CHINN) GUDGELL and I can't place him. Was this Elmer GUDGELL a son of = Holland Porter GUDGELL? Floyd was born in Meadville, MO in 1907. Also, = was Sally Evelyn SPINDELL GUDGELL married first to Holland's brother, = Robert Emmett GUDGELL (he died in September, 1902). 1910 Census, Linn Co., MO, Parson Creek Twp., page 270: 24/25, line 4 GUGELL, Elmer, Head, Farmer, male, white, married 1, married 7 years., = b. IL, parents b. IL GUDGELL, Artie, wife, age 27, Keeps House, married 1, married 7 years, 3 = children/2 living, b. MO, fa. b. IN, mo. b. MO GUDGELL, Floyd, son, age 2, male, white, b. MO GUDGELL, Iva, dau., age 8/12, female, white, b. MO Question #2: Edward Elijah GUDGEL (b. 1867 Anderson Co., KY; d. December, 1900 = Anderson Co., KY and Mary Elizabeth (Bettie) Walker (b. July 20, 1866 = Anderson Co., KY, d. (when?) (Shelby Co., KY?). =20 2 children: Thomas Coleman GUDGEL (b. 1893 Van Buren, Anderson Co., KY, d. 1973 = Jefferson Co., KY Edward Francis GUDGEL (b. 1896 Anderson Co., KY, d.1979 Lexington, = Fayette Co., KY >From a phone conversation I had with Edward F. GUDGEL, Jr. of Melbourne, = FL in May, 2000, he stated he thought Bettie died in Shelby Co., KY. = She lived with Edward's family in Fayette Co., KY earlier and later with = some other family members in Shelby Co., KY when she died. He also said = she is buried in the Lawrenceburg Cemetery and was married only once. I = have found the following Census record and hope Mr.Gudgel or someone can = clear this up for me. It appears that she did marry again or else this = is the wrong lady. (I also have an Elijah Edward GUDGELL who married a = Mary-so this is getting tough!): 1900 Federal Census, Anderson Co., KY, Line 199 GUDGEL, Edd E., b. Nov., 1867, age 32, GUDGEL, Mary W, wife,, b. July, 1868, age 31,, 2 children/2 living. GUDGEL, Thomas C., son, b. Sept., 1893, age 6 GUDGEL, Edward F., son, b. July, 1896, age 3 MOORE, Mary, servant, 25, single 1910 Jeffeson Co., KY Federal Census, page 259 432/198/212 HEDDEN, Thomas, Head, age 29, male, white, married once, b. KY, parents = b. KY HEDDEN, Mary, wife, age 31, female, white, married twice, 2 children, 2 = living, b. KY, parents b. KY GUDGELL, Thomas , step-son, male, white, age 14, single, b. KY, parents, = b. KY GUDGELL, Francis, step-son, age 12, male, white, single, b. KY, parents = b. KY Thomas Hedden and Mary (Bettie) Walker must have married after the 1900 = Census was taken (and Edward Elijah d. Dec., 1900). But both census = records list her at age 31 and they are ten years apart-could be a = mistake. I have also found reference to a Will for E.E. GUDGELL in = Shelby Co., KY. I've had it for some time but can't put my hands on it = right now. I would really like to get this family straightened out. I = have some nice photos of Thomas and Francis when they were children. = They were cousins to my line and apparently were close since the photos = came from my ancestors family album. =20 Hope someone can help me out. =20 Linda from Kentucky Beautiful sunny day, cold and rainy tonight. Maybe more snow by the = weekend. Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Beware of file attachments and email "from" gudgel-list OK, David Gudgel and my dad, (Doyal) have both gotten virus' sent to them today that 'say' they were from gudgel-list@eskimo.com This virus is not being sent through the gudgel list by someone posting to the mail list! The virus does however appear to being emailed to some people that are members of the gudgel list. With the Klez virus, it is common for the return address to be forged. Both David and my dad in fact had 2 completely different file names and file sizes also. I get reports all the time from the mail list program that the virus is ~trying~ to be posted to gudgel-list@eskimo.com but it never actually gets through the mail list program because 1, they have not subscribed to the mail list and 2. the file is larger than the gudgel list will accept (presently 40K maximum size). It does sometimes get to the archive though, which I clean out. I see these virus' almost every day either to gudgel-list or to my personal email address. ************ So Basically: So, if you get an email from "gudgel-list@eskimo.com" that has a file attachment, do NOT open it ! There is a good chance that it is a virus. ************ Unscubscribing from the gudgel list will not stop this unfortunately. The best defence is to get Norton anti virus or one of those good programs. Unfortunately, there are a lot of sick people on the internet these days and virus' are just a fact of life now... I also get this virus a lot myself. Thank you cybercousins !! boB Gudgel Everett, WA Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 17:48:32 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes Subject: Re: Beware of file attachments and email "from" gudgel-list Thanks Bob for putting out the notice. D Bob Gudgel wrote: > OK, David Gudgel and my dad, (Doyal) have both gotten virus' sent > to them today that 'say' they were from gudgel-list@eskimo.com From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: News and stuff Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:50:42 -0500 Bob- I have had problems with the Klez Virus also and and have the new AVG = Virus Program for several weeks now. Seems to be working well and have = had no other problems. As you say, "it's a way of life" now if you = have a computer it seems. I had some bad news tonight.....I called Dr. Jim Pope in St. Louis = tonight just to chat with him. Haven't heard from him in a long while. = I was sorry to learn from his wife, Fannie, that he passed away October = 9th. Mr. Pope was an avid researcher of the GUDGEL, WARE, CROSSFIELD, = etc. lines. Jim, Fannie and Smitty Crossfield and myself have spent may = hours together over the years researching in KY. I did ask his wife = what would become of his research and she is hoping some of the family = will want it. They have one son, Mike, who lives in Columbia, MO. Mr. = Pope was one of the best researchers I have ever known. Very precise = and thorough. Always documenting everything in depth. If I can obtain = an obituary I will post it here. I am still at a loss for words right = now and was not at all prepared for this news. Has anyone heard from Jeanette GUDGEL? She was going on a trip in = January. Jeanette, are you back? More later, Linda Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 11:17:31 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: News and stuff Linda, Thanks so much for keeping track of Jim Pope. I know there are many of our elderly cousins that we should be checking up on, on a regular basis, but we are all busy I know. But please do keep in touch with Fannie because from what I know, you are absolutely correct when you say he was an excellent researcher of long standing and we can not, in many instances, recreate his work. He has things we'd never be able to get because the people he interviewed are no longer with us. While Jim's death happened many months ago, I wonder if Fannie would appreciate a card? If so, where should we mail it? Dianne G-H From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Alan GUDGELL - Corsicana, Texas Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:48:14 -0500 Hi Folks- I recently found an entry for GUDGELL in a publication of the East Texas = Family Records, Spring, 1993-Vol. 17, No. 1, page 5: OWEN families, Submitted by Leland Howard, Tyler, Texas. Lucille OWEN and Elmer HOWARD married in November 1919 in Corsicana, TX = after his return from Worl War I. They had 4 boys and three girls-all = born in Corsicana (Navarro County?), Texas. (This is southeast of Dallas, TX.) Children: Elnora- b. 10-10-1920 married Alan GUDGELL Leland-b. 1-28-1923 married Aline HODGEN Lillian- b. 1-7-1925 married Charles RIECKHOFF Harold "Tiny"- b. 10-16-1926 John- b. 8-10-1920 married Jane HOUSTON Allyn-b. 11-20-1938 married Jeanie SIMMONS (This may be a typo because = onw son was Alan GUDGELL, Jr.) Linda-b. 8-6-1941 married Larry HUNTING Elnora died Subject: Benefits of KY Historical Society Membership Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:06:42 -0500 I recently received a nice benefit from the Kentucky Historical Society = as a result of my membership and it's wonderful! New members have = access to 2 great online resources for genealogical and local history = research. 1. Heritage Quest Online-Includes online census images (searchable) and = over 7.5 7.5 ,illion pages of digitized texts from the UMI Genealogy and = Local History collection. ( I love this searchable census! I have found many, many entries and = it's all states!). Haven't tried the digitized text area of = publications yet. (2) Sanborn Maps of KY- Detailed property and land use record that = depicts the grid of everyday life in dozens of KY towns and cities = across a century of change. (haven't tried this yet-been too busy checking the census records). Also with my membership card I can visit numerous genealogy libraries = around the country and some give discounted or free admission, free = parking, discounts, discounted pf complimentary museum publications. I have been a member of the KY Hisotrical Society for many years and = this is the first time I've received anything like this. I did get a = very nice discount on the rental fee for Commonwealth Hall at the KY = History Center for my daughter's wedding reception (and the site was = wonderful). The membership fee was $35.00 an that's a little high but = with these benefits, it is well worth it to me. Not sure what Heritage = Quest normally charges for an online subscription. And there is no = searching forever trying to find a family. They sent me and special = password and account number to use. Just thought someone may be interested. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Alan GUDGELL, Corsicana, Texas Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:08:58 -0500 Oops! John HOWARD was born in 1930, not 1920. My mistake. Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Benefits of KY Historical Society Membership Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:33:39 -0800 Linda, I agree that HeritageQuest Online is GREAT. However, I have access to = it through my library card in my little hometown library. It would be = worth it to everyone if they checked out what their library offers them. = I can access Heritage Quest from my computer at home and they have = Ancestry.com available at the library. =20 Check it out and if the library doesn't have it, maybe a request would = get them started. Vivian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: Benefits of KY Historical Society Membership I recently received a nice benefit from the Kentucky Historical = Society as a result of my membership and it's wonderful! New members = have access to 2 great online resources for genealogical and local = history research. 1. Heritage Quest Online-Includes online census images (searchable) = and over 7.5 7.5 ,illion pages of digitized texts from the UMI Genealogy = and Local History collection. ( I love this searchable census! I have found many, many entries = and it's all states!). Haven't tried the digitized text area of = publications yet. (2) Sanborn Maps of KY- Detailed property and land use record that = depicts the grid of everyday life in dozens of KY towns and cities = across a century of change. (haven't tried this yet-been too busy checking the census = records). Also with my membership card I can visit numerous genealogy libraries = around the country and some give discounted or free admission, free = parking, discounts, discounted pf complimentary museum publications. I have been a member of the KY Hisotrical Society for many years and = this is the first time I've received anything like this. I did get a = very nice discount on the rental fee for Commonwealth Hall at the KY = History Center for my daughter's wedding reception (and the site was = wonderful). The membership fee was $35.00 an that's a little high but = with these benefits, it is well worth it to me. Not sure what Heritage = Quest normally charges for an online subscription. And there is no = searching forever trying to find a family. They sent me and special = password and account number to use. Just thought someone may be interested. Linda From: "Finnell, Linda" Subject: Ice Storms in Kentucky Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:59:36 -0500 Hi Folks, Just to let you know we are now into day 3 with no electricity and no phone. We have a coal/woodburning stove we use for a back up for our heat-pump. We have been using a cell phone to keep in touch with the outside world. It's amazing what we can do when we have too. My antique kerosene lamps are coming in handy and we've had scrambled eggs and grilled toast cooked on top of a kerosene heater. Gary has buried the contents of our side by side freezer in snow in the back yard for safe keeping. We've had soups cooked on the stove (with candelight!) and we've worked puzzles, read books, etc. No wonder our ancestors went to bed so early! I don't recall ever seeing ice this bad. I am at work today and we all look a bit ragged from the last few days but we are managing and hanging in there. Work is very limited. We have electric in the government buildings but not in all the homes. There have been something like 40,000 to 45,000 people in our situation in this part of the central KY area (Lexington, Georgetown, Versailles). They're saying it may be Friday before the electric is back on. The trees are a disaster. It looks like a war-zone. The one positive thing is that the temperature is hovering at about 29 or 30 degrees so at least pipes should be okay. Will keep in touch from work at least till electric is back on at home. Linda Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:49:01 -0900 From: Dianne Holmes To: "Finnell, Linda" Subject: Re: no snow in Alaska Linda, Wish we could take some of the east coast snow and transport it to Alaska so we could have some very important events next month. We already had to cancel the dog mushing race for our annual Feb winter celebration last week and the high school cross country teams have no snow to practice on. And I can't continue my physical fitness routine of skiing that I was just getting into. We were doing find in Dec and Jan but all of a sudden about a wk or so ago, we had a huge warm spell like spring break-up. Now it is just plain cold (which at least will allow the snow making machines to make a little snow), but without the insulation of snow on our plants, we may lose some delicate ones unless we mulch them. Global warming is a bummer. I want my winter back--really. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes "Finnell, Linda" wrote: > Hi Folks, > Just to let you know we are now into day 3 with no electricity and no phone. Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:11:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gudgel Subject: Just plain rain here in washington... Come Onnn... global warming ! I know my sister will just love statement ! Just rain here. Luckily we have an inverter and some batteries good for a day or so if our power goes out, which it never does anyway. boB From: "Richard Moberly" Subject: My GUDGEL LIne Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:11:02 -0600 Greetings Gudgel cousins. I don't believe I have submitted my Gudgel Line to this list since I joined some time ago. If I have, it never hurts to resubmit once in a while. I hope all is well with you and yours. Rich & Terri Moberly Bartlesville, Washington County, Oklahoma Rich Moberly Marvin Moberly Elmer Moberly Martha Lucina Gudgel Marion Francis Gudgel Andrew Gudgel John Gudgel Andrew Gudgel Frederick Gotshall Gudgel I have unfortunately not properly documented my sources for this line and am endeavoring to correct that situation. Again, best regards to this wonderful list. From: "Finnell, Linda" Subject: Ice Storms in Kentucky Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:55:25 -0500 Hi Folks- As of 4:00 a.m. this morning WE HAVE ELECTRIC!! This is now day 5 and after about day 3 this wasn't fun anymore. Gary bought a generator yesterday because we were told it could go one into the weekend. So we did have minimal electric last night, but not enought for hot water, t.v., etc. Just to have light to see to get around was wonderful. I had cooked supper on the wood stove and had a full house for supper. Went to my sister-in-laws last night and got an honest to goodness good shower and a hair washing!! I feel human again. I am sure we will remember this storm for a long time. You know what they say about family....Families are like fish, they begin to smell after a few days! Actually we all got along good and it was a good bonding time. Never have I dreaded to see night time come until this storm. You had to get a lot done before dark. I have thought so many times through this storm about how my ancestors lived. Somehow this doesn't add to the glow of memories of the good old days. I like my comforts : ) Still have no phone so can't get online at home. I'm not complaining-I'm thrilled to have the electric back. Good to hear from you, Rich. Are you Beulah Moberly's son? Will keep in touch, Linda from Kentucky High of 41 today and ice is falling everywhere! From: "Richard Moberly" Subject: RE: Ice Storms in Kentucky Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:06:32 -0600 Linda No. I am Marvin & Grace (Bolender) Moberly's son. Glad you all have 'lectric again. And yes, I like my comforts, too. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Finnell, Linda [mailto:LindaFinnell@MAIL.AOC.STATE.KY.US] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:55 AM To: Gudgel-List@eskimo.com Subject: Ice Storms in Kentucky Hi Folks- As of 4:00 a.m. this morning WE HAVE ELECTRIC!! This is now day 5 and after about day 3 this wasn't fun anymore. Gary bought a generator yesterday because we were told it could go one into the weekend. So we did have minimal electric last night, but not enought for hot water, t.v., etc. Just to have light to see to get around was wonderful. I had cooked supper on the wood stove and had a full house for supper. Went to my sister-in-laws last night and got an honest to goodness good shower and a hair washing!! I feel human again. I am sure we will remember this storm for a long time. You know what they say about family....Families are like fish, they begin to smell after a few days! Actually we all got along good and it was a good bonding time. Never have I dreaded to see night time come until this storm. You had to get a lot done before dark. I have thought so many times through this storm about how my ancestors lived. Somehow this doesn't add to the glow of memories of the good old days. I like my comforts : ) Still have no phone so can't get online at home. I'm not complaining-I'm thrilled to have the electric back. Good to hear from you, Rich. Are you Beulah Moberly's son? Will keep in touch, Linda from Kentucky High of 41 today and ice is falling everywhere! --- From: "Finnell, Linda" Subject: Ice Storm 2003 Update Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:04:34 -0500 Hi ALl- We are recuperating pretty well from all the storm damages. At least we have electricity!!!! Still no phone but are scheduled for repairs today. Our electric comes from Kentucky Utilities and they are getting so much criticism from the public about how all this was handled. They had a major downsize in 2001 and were just not equipped to handle a storm of this magnitude. We have been blessed by utility workers coming in from other areas and states to help. One group was Pike Electric out of North or South Carolina and another one from EE Electric out of Tennessee. They have been wonderful. Pike Electric alone sent something like 1,100. workers plu trucks and equipment. So hopefully we will have phone service tonight. Mia, I can't imagine having as much snow as your area gets! They wouldn't be able to dig us out till next fall : ) Dave-My brother recently moved to Sierra Vista, AZ and I've told him he had a cousin living in Tuscon. Aren't you about an hour from Sierra Vista/Hereford, AZ area? Got to run- Linda from Kentucky From myrnareynolds@att.net Mon Mar 3 21:14:09 2003 Message-Id: <200303040514.VAA21491@mx1.eskimo.com> To: Bob Gudgel Subject: Re: Beware of file attachments and email "from" gudge Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 05:13:33 +0000 Hello Cybercousin, I'm writing because I wanted to tell you how clever I thought you were to call us cybercousins. I'm in West Hartford, Ct. now, but I'm one of those Indiana Gudgel cousins. I'm 59 yrs. old, a voice teacher, who used to sing opera in NYC. That's far from the farm in Indiana, but I've always kept a foot in both places. I still own the farm in southern Indiana. My paternal grandmother was Della Kazar Gudgel Reynolds My husband is an educational consultant who works often in Seattle. Thank you for your virus warning. We have PC-cillin as a virus protector, and since we've had it, we have had no troubles at all. It's great. Thanks again. Myrna > > OK, David Gudgel and my dad, (Doyal) have both gotten virus' sent > to them today that 'say' they were from gudgel-list@eskimo.com > > This virus is not being sent through the gudgel list by someone posting > to the mail list! > <> From: "Stephen Gudgel" <932762318@terra.es> To: "List Gudgel" Subject: Humanitarian Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:56:25 +0100 Does anybody know if there are any Gudgels who are doing humanitarian = =3D work in or around Iraq with organizations like the Red Cross, Amnesty = =3D International, Doctors Without Borders, etc., or if any are reporters? Stephen Barcelona Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:17:46 -0700 From: Ralphj Johnson Subject: National Archives on line The National Archives is now on line. . Doyal Gudgel Sr. -- General Tommy Franks "We don't do body counts" To see a constant independent updating of civilian casualties from a hundred different sources click on the following link. http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/main.html From: "Stephen Gudgel" <932762318@terra.es> Subject: Re: National Archives on line Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:58:24 +0200 Thank you, Doyle. I am glad to hear some people care about this and are willing to say it. Stephen Gudgel Barcelona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralphj Johnson" To: Sent: dissabte, 19 / abril / 2003 18:17 Subject: National Archives on line > The National Archives is now on line. . > > Doyal Gudgel Sr. > > -- > > General Tommy Franks > "We don't do body counts" > To see a constant independent updating of civilian casualties > from a hundred different sources click on the following link. > http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/main.html > > > > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: James GUDGEL: a/k/a Walker Francis GUDGEL Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:56:31 -0400 HI Folks- Does anyone have any information on a James GUDGEL who changed his name = to Walker Francis GUDGEL? I have seen this information before but = apparently couldn't make a connection. Have recently received an email from a descendant = wanting to know more. Thanks for any help. Linda From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: James GUDGEL: a/k/a Walker Francis GUDGEL Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:01:33 -0700 James Gudgel (aka Walker Francis Gudgel) was son of Theodore and Della = Nora Walker Gudgel, Theodore was son of Jacob and Mary Jane Witherspoon = Gudgel and Jacob was son of William and Lucinda Thurman Gudgel. James = was born in 1912 in Stillwater, OK and died in 1955. I have that he = legally changed his name in about 1941 and that he died in a train = wreck. Hope that helps you find him, since I think I got some or most = of that information from you, Linda. Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: James GUDGEL: a/k/a Walker Francis GUDGEL HI Folks- Does anyone have any information on a James GUDGEL who changed his = name to Walker Francis GUDGEL? I have seen this information before but = apparently couldn't make a connection. Have recently received an email from a descendant = wanting to know more. Thanks for any help. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "nancy miller" Subject: Re: James GUDGEL: a/k/a Walker Francis GUDGEL Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:20:21 -0400 Hi Nancy- Thanks for the information. I'm still not sure this is the right family = because I don't have a Theodore, unless he is entered under another = name. The children I have listed for Jacob GUDGEL and Mary Jane = Witherspoon are: William Lemual Thomas Edward Tully Nancy Allen Fedora Lucy Ethel Fredrick Charles Henry I believe there has been a question as to the real names of Tully and = Fedora, but this information came from a descendant. Maybe Tully is = Theodore and was a nickname? I had no dates or marriage for this = Tully--only his name. Can you help with this? The only Theodore I have in my database is Theodore GUDGEL, b. April 2, = 1904 Calhoun, Richland Co., IL, son of Bert Allen GUDGEL and Mary = Elizabeth Pritchard. I beleive there were Chiropractors in this familyaccording to a = descendant. That's more than a coincidence! =20 Would appreciate any help on this family if someone can help. Linda From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Fw: [KYBATH] Usefull URL Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:22:08 -0400 Someone might find this useful for KY cemeteries. They will be adding to this as time goes on. Lots of GUDGELL's in Bath Co., KY > Hi List, > For those of you who haven't found it yet or tried it. The Kentucky > Historical Society has a searchable Cemetery database. You can type in a > whole name or what I did was typed in the surname, chose Bath Co and it was > great. > I found 72 Hendrix listed, Hornback-12 listed, Hornbeck-2 listed. > Woodard-24 listed, Perkins-18 listed etc etc > This is the URL http://205.204.246.206/cemetery.asp > Linda --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Fleegel To: Linda Gudgel Finnell , nancy miller Subject: Re: James GUDGEL: a/k/a Walker Francis GUDGEL I have some information on this family from the Federal Census: ******************************************************************************* *************************** 1870 Federal Census Gibson County, Indiana Columbia Township Oakland City page 40 313/300 GUDGEL, Jacob 37 Farmer 2000 600 IN Mary J. 27 Keeping House IN William L. 8 at home IN Thomas E. 6 at home IN Martha L. 4 at home IN Nancy E. 2 at home IN Taken 17 June 1870 ******************************************************************************* *************************** 1880 Federal Census Gibson County, Indiana Columbia Township e.d.#106, sheet 19,line 12 GUDGEL, Jacob head 48 IN Mary J. wife 38 IN Thomas E. son 15 IN Martha L. dau 13 IN Nancy E. dau 11 IN Theodore son 7 IN Charles H. son 5 IN Lucy B. dau 1 IN ******************************************************************************* *************************** The children I have for Jacob and Mary Jane are: William Leonard 16 December 1861 Thomas Edward 29 December 1862 Martha Luella Gudgel 1866 Nancy Jane Gudgel 1868 Alley Gudgel 1872 (female) Theodore Gudgel 17 August 1874 Charles Henry 5 August 1876 Lucinda Belle 29 May 1879 Ethel January 1881 Frederick June 1884 Hope this helps Mia ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell To: nancy miller Cc: Gudgel List Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: Re: James GUDGEL: a/k/a Walker Francis GUDGEL Hi Nancy- Thanks for the information. I'm still not sure this is the right family because I don't have a Theodore, unless he is entered under another name. The children I have listed for Jacob GUDGEL and Mary Jane Witherspoon are: William Lemual Thomas Edward Tully Nancy Allen Fedora Lucy Ethel Fredrick Charles Henry I believe there has been a question as to the real names of Tully and Fedora, but this information came from a descendant. Maybe Tully is Theodore and was a nickname? I had no dates or marriage for this Tully--only his name. Can you help with this? The only Theodore I have in my database is Theodore GUDGEL, b. April 2, 1904 Calhoun, Richland Co., IL, son of Bert Allen GUDGEL and Mary Elizabeth Pritchard. I beleive there were Chiropractors in this familyaccording to a descendant. That's more than a coincidence! Would appreciate any help on this family if someone can help. Linda --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.473 / Virus Database: 271 - Release Date: 4/17/2003 From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Gudgel's in Payne Co., Oklahoma Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:00:52 -0400 Hi Folks- I have been working on this line of Theodore Gudgel for a girl who = emailed me and found his burial place in Fairlawn Cemetery, Payne Co., = OK. I beleive this is in the area of Stillwater. There are about a dozen GUDGEL's buried there and I can identify all but = a few of these. Can anyone help with these that I haven't identified? Bessie Gudgel 8-5-1907 6-30-1908 Ed Gudgel 12-29-1864 12-1-1945 Geraldine Gudgel 12-00-1913 6-18-1917 Roy L. Gudgel 11-11-1898 1-16-1966 Just for the record, I did identify these. If someone needs more = information, just ask : ) Alma Gudgel 5-19-1901 11-23-1917 Charles Gudgel 8-5-1876 12-31-1959 Della Nora Gudgel 6-13-1880 3-20-1961 Grace Gudgel 7-13-1884 2-15-1976 Ruby Gudgel 6-18-1898 1-19-1899 Sarrena Gudgel 5-15-1861 6-19-1939 Theodore Gudgel 8-17-1874 10-20-1950 =20 Walker Francis Gudgel 1-20-1912 1-16-1956 >From Linda- in Kentucky Beautiful early summer weather. Everything is so green and lush. Two = weeks away from the Derby! From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Interesting Discovery Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:02:50 -0400 I have had some extra time to work on my genealogy this weekend since = Gary is out of town so that's why you're getting all these emails fom = me! It's been ages since I've had time to work on this. I was entering some census records in my database for Amos GUDGEL and = Mary Troutman. 1860, 1870, and 1880. All going well till I get to = 1880- Bingo! Amos's father, David Gudgel (married Elmira Fitch) is living with Amos = and is reported to be widowed. The census states David;'s father (John = GUDGEL, who married Jean HARBISON), was born in Maryland! = Whoa............remember the information about Andrew GUDGEL, Jr. being = born in Baltimore , Maryland?? Is this more than a coincidence??? I have John GUDGEL being born 1776 = in PA and his brother, Andrew, Jr., being born between 1760-1774 in = Baltimore, Maryland. The dates are really close together too. FYI- here's the data from the 1880 Census: GUDGEL, Amos, self, widowed, male, white, 46, b. IN, Retail Grocer, fa. = b. KY, mo. b. NY Alice A., dau., single, female, white, 18, b. IN, Keeping House, fa. b. = IN, mo. b. IN Elsworth, son, single, male, white, 16, b. IN, Clerk In Store, fa. b. = IN, mo. b. IN Maggie, dau., single, female, white, 7, b. IN, fa. b. IN, mo. b. IN David GUDGEL, father, widowed, male, white, 70, b. KY, No Occupation, = fa. b. MD, mo. b. KY Nancy TROUTMON, Niece, single, female, white, 24, b. IN, At Home, fa. b. = IN, mo. b. IN The only other problem I see.....Amos's mother is listed as being b. in = NY. She was b. in Jefferson Co., IN. I know the census takers made = lots of mistakes but this thing about Andrew, Jr. and David both being = born in Maryland could be something we've been missing. Any comments? Linda Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:38:04 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Subject: Re: Interesting Discovery Linda and all, It is nice that you've begun to do a little research. Wonder why none of us ever saw that Maryland birthplace in our census research. How many times is MD listed in the censuses as John's birthplace? I forget, maybe parents' birthplaces only came to be listed in the 1880 census. Anyway, I would suggest that we try see if other of John's children's census records list MD as John's birthplace. Also, we may have to do some geographical searching just in case the borders of the states were in conflict in those years like we see in the VA/PA border situation in the mid 1700s. Sometimes people said they were born one place but the maps might have reflected another. Good work. Does anyone know if Mia found some good things on her search trip in PA earlier this yr? She made the trip, didn't she? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Linda Gudgel Finnell wrote: > I have had some extra time to work on my genealogy this weekend From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:22:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Reply to Linda and Dianne Regarding Theodore Gudgel, son of Jacob - I have Jacob's Civil War information. When applying for a widow's pension in 1898, his wife, Christine, was asked to list her living children. Theodore is not listed and the rest are. So he had probably died by 1898. In the 1850 census, John Gudgel is age 74 and is listed as "born in Pennsylvania". I looked though the records on the children of John who lived past the 1880 census taking. Two said their father was born in Kentucky. Wesley, the youngest of John's children, indicated Virginia. Then on the back of Wesley's death certificate, the clerk has typed - father born Jefferson County, Indiana. And as Linda indicated, David thought Maryland. We have always preferred to go with the information that John probably gave to the census taker himself - Pennsylvania. Although with the border problems, Maryland is certainly understandable. I hope this helps. Now, for a hodge-podge of info. I've have had no time to work on my genealogy either, Linda. It's bright and sunny and in the 70's in Quincy, IL. David Gudgel is doing a wonderful job as mayor of Keokuk, Iowa. We see him on television interviews on a regular basis. This weekend Keokuk is having their annual Civil War reenactment of the Battle of Pea Ridge. Dianne, Mia has not yet gone to PA. I had an Easter note from her last week. Ardath Potts From: "Steve Varvel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: RE: Interesting Discovery Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:26:27 -0400 Hi Gudgel Fans, (yes I'm still lurking on your list). That's an interesting find suggesting John may have been born in MD. One area that I've had absolutely no luck finding anything about is the claim that Old Andrew spent some time in Chester County, PA before heading out for the Monongahela valley. Does anyone have anything solid from this period? Chester, PA did border MD, maybe he did live close to the border. However, if the year is really 1776, John must have been born in PA. Don't forget that we found in the papers of Rev. Conrad Boucher a record of the baptism of Andrew Jr., son of Andrew and Anna Barbara Gottshall at Redstone (Fayette, PA) on Nov 13, 1768. The sponsors of this baptism were my Johannes Wirbel and his wife Elizabeth, which I think demonstrates that this was the right Andrew since sons of this Johannes Wirbel (John and Philip "Varvel") moved down to Glens Creek, Woodford County at the same time as Andrew Gudgel, and their children continued to interact with Andrews grandchildren in Bath, KY, and Jefferson, IN. I also think placing Andrew out west in 1768 strongly suggests that the Andrew "Gudgeon" on the 1768 Redstone list was really Gudgel. Furthermore, Andrew's 317 acre tract ("Peaceable") right near Redstone was surveyed June 6, 1770 (App #3452), patented Jun 10, 1788 (P #14-220). So, the latest record I know of for Andrew in Bucks County is 1757 (reference to his debt), and he seems to show up in Fayette by 1768. (How) do we know for sure that he spent time in Chester County, PA? I've been working on other lines lately, but I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth in.... Steve Varvel Andrew and his wife Anna Barbara had their son Andrew Jr. baptized by John Conrad Bucher, a traveling Reformed minister (Nov 13, 1768), and Johannes Wirbel and his wife Elizabeth were the sponsors -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell [mailto:lfinnell@infi.net] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:03 AM To: Gudgel List Subject: Interesting Discovery I have had some extra time to work on my genealogy this weekend since Gary From: "nancy miller" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: Gudgel's in Payne Co., Oklahoma Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:41:53 -0700 I believe that your Ed Gudgel is the Thomas Edward Gudgel that is a = brother of Charles and Theodore and husband of Sarrena (Syrena in Gibson = Co. marriage records). =20 I do not recognize either Alma or Ruby. Could you tell me who they = belong to? Thanks for posting these cemetery records. Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Gudgel's in Payne Co., Oklahoma Hi Folks- I have been working on this line of Theodore Gudgel for a girl who = emailed me and found his burial place in Fairlawn Cemetery, Payne Co., = OK. I beleive this is in the area of Stillwater. There are about a dozen GUDGEL's buried there and I can identify all = but a few of these. Can anyone help with these that I haven't = identified? Bessie Gudgel 8-5-1907 6-30-1908 Ed Gudgel 12-29-1864 12-1-1945 Geraldine Gudgel 12-00-1913 6-18-1917 Roy L. Gudgel 11-11-1898 1-16-1966 Just for the record, I did identify these. If someone needs more = information, just ask : ) Alma Gudgel 5-19-1901 11-23-1917 Charles Gudgel 8-5-1876 12-31-1959 Della Nora Gudgel 6-13-1880 3-20-1961 Grace Gudgel 7-13-1884 2-15-1976 Ruby Gudgel 6-18-1898 1-19-1899 Sarrena Gudgel 5-15-1861 6-19-1939 Theodore Gudgel 8-17-1874 10-20-1950 =20 Walker Francis Gudgel 1-20-1912 1-16-1956 From Linda- in Kentucky Beautiful early summer weather. Everything is so green and lush. Two = weeks away from the Derby! Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:38:27 -0500 From: MAXWELL_HOWARD_H@Lilly.com Subject: Re: Interesting Discovery To: Linda Gudgel Finnell Dear Linda, Regarding your post to the Gudgel family list of April 27, 2003: "I was en= tering some census records in my database for Amos GUDGEL and Mary=20 Troutman. 1860, 1870, and 1880. All going well till I get to 1880 -=20 Bingo! Amos's father, David Gudgel (married Elmira Fitch) is living with=20 Amos and is reported to be widowed. The census states David;'s father=20 (John GUDGEL, who married Jean HARBISON), was born in Maryland!=20 Whoa............remember the information about Andrew GUDGEL, Jr. being=20 born in Baltimore, Maryland?? Is this more than a coincidence??? I have=20 John GUDGEL being born 1776 in PA..." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John and Jane Harbison Gudgel were my ggg grandparents and I may be able=20 to offer some documentation re: the premise that John was born in PA.=20 In 1919, my grandmother, Maggie Maude Gudgel Maxwell (1873-1942), daughter = of Amos and Mary Troutman Gudgel, applied for membership in the Society of = Indiana Pioneers, an organization whose members must prove that an=20 ancestor established residence in an Indiana county before a specified=20 date. This "deadline" date varies by county. My grandmother was applying=20 for membership based on her great grandparent's (John and Jane Harbison=20 Gudgel) 1817 arrival in Jefferson County, whose "deadline" happens to be=20 December 31, 1830.=20 I have my grandmother's application in front of me and it reads: "To the=20 Board of Governors of Society of Indiana Pioneers: I hereby apply for=20 membership in the Society by the right of lineal descent from John Gudgel, = who was born in Redstone, Old Fort, Penn. on the 16th day of February,=20 1777, and who lived in Jefferson County, Indiana before December 31, 1830. = My said ancestor came to Indiana on the 15th day of October, 1817 from=20 Kentucky and first took up residence in Jefferson County, Indiana in the=20 year 1817." [I have in my notes the following: "Redstone, Old Fort, now Brownsville,=20 Pennsylvania," is stated in "History of Hamilton County, Ohio," p. 39=20 published by L.A. Williams, 1881. There is a Brownsville in each of three=20 counties in Pennsylvania: Berks, Fayette and Franklin.] Also attached to her application is this notarized statement by a son,=20 William Gudgel:=20 "Said John Gudgel entered the South West quarter of Section 21, town 4=20 north of range 8 east, now Graham township Jefferson County, Indiana, and=20 receiving patent No. 1766 for same, and said PATENT is Recorded in Volume=20 No. 8 page 473 in the Recorder's Office of Jefferson County, Indiana, and=20 the date of said Patent being October 4, 1825."=20 Some other notes I offer to the forum regarding this branch of the family: Mary Troutman b. 1836, Indiana -- d. 17 Jan 1879, Indianapolis, Marion, IN "In January, 1879, my mother died at the 'Old Brick' [as it was called,=20 205 W. Ohio Street]. It was a bitter cold day, almost snow bound, and we=20 went to Deputy [Jefferson County, IN] on the train and buried her at Old=20 Pisgah. Our home-life shifted about for several years; My sister Alice=20 married George William Parker and moved from the city; Hettie and Will had = been living in a cottage on N. West St; our household consisted of my=20 grandfather, David Gudgel, Nannie Troutman, an orphaned cousin who had=20 lived with us most of her life, brother Ellsworth, my father and me." --=20 Mary's daughter, Maggie Maude (Gudgel) Maxwell, Indianapolis, December 22, = 1941. Death records at Board of Health show that Mary was 43 years old when she=20 died. This death certificate also stated that the birthplace of Mary=20 (Troutman) Gudgel was "Indiana." Mary Troutman Gudgel's place of burial is listed in THE CEMETERY RECORDS=20 OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, INDIANA compiled by the John Paul Chapter of the DAR, = 1941. Mary Troutman and her husband, Amos, were buried in Pisgah Church=20 Cemetery, Graham Township, Jefferson Co., IN.=20 Data as follows: Mary Troutman Gudgell, 1837 - 1878 Amos Gudgell, 1834 - 1888 Maggie (Gudgel) Maxwell's death certificate records her mother (Mary=20 Troutman) as having been born in Indiana. David Gudgel b. 1810, KY -- d. 23 May 1888, Indianapolis, Marion, IN, Bk. H-3 P. 51 1860 Jefferson County, Graham Twsp (Federal) Census: #901 - Gudgel, David=20 md. Elmira Fitch 30 May 1833 [he was a widower with children in 1850=20 census]. David is listed as being 50 and an invalid, living in the=20 household of his brother, Harvey Gudgel, age 37, whose spouse is Francis=20 White, age 34. Almira (Elmira) Fitch b. 1807, Jefferson Co., IN -- d. 30 Jul 1842, Jefferson Co., IN THE CEMETERY RECORDS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, INDIANA compiled by the John=20 Paul Chapter of the DAR, 1941: "Gudgell, Almira, w of David Gudgell, d=20 July 30, 1842, age 35 y."=20 She was buried in Graham Township, Pisgah Church Cemetery. with other=20 Gudgells as follows: Amos Gudgell, 1834 - 1888 Mary Troutman Gudgell, 1837 - 1878 Relatively yours, Howard Maxwell Indianapolis, Indiana From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: References: Subject: Re: Interesting Discovery Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:16:30 -0400 Howard- This is wonderful documentation and I am so glad you have shared this = with us. BTW, do you have a copy of the marriage bond for John GUDGEL = and Jean/Jane HARBISON? I have that if you would like a copy. I'm on my way out the door but will study this more later. Thanks again for sharing with us. Linda --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003 From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: RE: PRAY for Lyle Gudgell Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 07:58:26 -0700 Hello cousins Lyle is very ill in the hospital with an internal bleeding. They have given him at least 7 units of blood, and three days ago he was put on a ventilator and feeding tube. He has been in the hospital 10 days now. Will you pray for him? He needs a miracle. We love you all. Vivian Gudgell From rgudge@qwest.net Mon May 5 15:39:35 2003 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 22:40:38 -0700 From: Robert Gudgell To: Vivian Gudgell , Subject: Andrew Gudgell I found this very interesting regarding Andrew Gudgell...is this the same Andrew Gudgell that has been chatted about over the past year or so? also attached is the link where I got it from. Robert Gudgell >From Helen Vogt^Òs book, Westward of Ye Laurel Hills 1750-1850 we would like to underscore the importance of the "if" in her account of the sheriff confronted by the gang of rebels that included our Michael Sr.: "if he [the sheriff] could have escaped with his life." That if is extremely important. (We have italicized this and certain other words in the text below.) The "bottom" through which Dunlap Creek flows was once part of Bridgeport which was absorbed by South Brownsville in 1908 and incorporated into Brownsville in 1933. Above this flat land is the knoll on which are built Nemacoliin Castle and the old Jeffries home (now Crawford) which certainly answers to "Point Look Out." The Martin plantation is where the first settlers were wont to meet for purposes of defying first the king, and then the Pennsylvania authorities, who for various reasons tried to keep them from making settlements. The Calendar of Virginia State Papers shows that 220 of the people "westward of Laurel Hill" presented a petition July 15, 1772, to the court asking that the sheriff serve no more processes as they were not in Pennsylvania. Always in the forefront when there was a conflict, the comment was made that "Colonel Cresap seemed to be the prime mover in this matter." Arthur St. Clair had been down in the Redstone area where the rioters took their stand on the Martin plantation, and wrote to a friend: The sheriff knew several of them, particularly Abraham TeeGarden and William TeeGarden the Younger who was the ringleaders (sic) of this gang of villains, also John Dearth, Andrew Gudgell and Michael Cock. They were all armed with guns, tomahawks, pistols, and clubs and the Sheriff is of the opinion that only for a pocket pistol which he produced, he would certainly have met with ill usage, if he could have escaped with his life. The "villains" and "rioters" of record became leading settlers and as an amusing aftermath of the years of conflict, Andrew Gudgell called his tract in Luzerne Township, "Peacable." -----Original Message----- From: Vivian Gudgell [mailto:V.Gudgell@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:58 AM To: Gudgel-list Subject: RE: PRAY for Lyle Gudgell Hello cousins Lyle is very ill in the hospital with an internal bleeding. They have given him at least 7 units of blood, and three days ago he was put on a ventilator and feeding tube. He has been in the hospital 10 days now. Will you pray for him? He needs a miracle. We love you all. Vivian Gudgell From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Prayer for Lyle Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:44:31 -0700 Hello cousins, I want to thank all of you for your prayers. I am sure you, with God's help, have turned him for the better. Lyle is still on the ventilator and still sedated, but the doctor thought he was improved yesterday and is thinking about weaning him off the ventilator. His vital signs have all improved a lot. Please continue the prayers. He still has a long way to go. Love you Vivian, Dennis and Pat From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Who are these GUDGEL(L)'s ? Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:20:48 -0400 Hi Folks- I have more GUDGEL(L)'s that I need help with. Can anyone tell me who = these families are? 1870 Census, Caldwell Co., MO. Kingston Township, pg. 175 Enumerated: July 19, 1870 line 17, 83/83 GUDGEL, James 37, male, white, Keeps (Hall Stable?), $1300/$480, b. KY Edward, 6, male, white, at home, b. MO William , 4, male, white,, at home, b. MO DEAL, Sarah, 55, female, white, Keeps House, b. KY FARRINGTON, (Jennie or Jemima?), 12, female, white, at home, b. MO (James appears to be a widow. Somewhere I have seen the name Sarah = Dea(h)l married to a GUDGEL but at this time it apparently wasn't her. = Besides she is quite a bit older than James. And the name Farrington = may be related to other GUDGEL families). *************************************************************************= *************************************************************************= ************************************************ 1870 Census, Kentucky, Anderson Co., Rough and Ready July, 1870 597/599 GUDGELL, Jacob, 67, male, white, Farm Labor, b. KY $13000/$3000. Mary Jane, 30, female, white, Keeps House, b. KY Lou E., 11, female, white, b. KY Mollie V., 7, female, white, b. KY Tilo S., 6 male, white, b. KY Gustavus M., 1 , male, white, b. KY WOOLDRIDGE, Richard, 18, male, white, Farm Laborer, b. KY FRAZER, Mary, 17, female, white, Domestic Servant, b. KY (At first I thought this was Jacob GUDGELL and Mary Jane = WITHERSPOON....but not so. Jacob GUDGELL (son of Andrew GUDGELL and = Elizabeth MOUNTJOY) married (1) Mary Ann GAINES in 1847 Anderson Co., KY (2) Minerva Julia = STOUT in 1857 in Franklin Co., KY. I show no children by Mary Ann = GAINES- does anyone know if there were children by her? I do have 6 = children by Minerva Julia STOUT: Louella 1859 Mollie Van 1863 Atillo 1865 Helen 1868 Martha 1876 Olivia 1881 (I think the Census Taker made a mistake saying the wife is Mary Jane = (imagine that ) and it should have been Minerva Julia or M.J.) . Any = comments? BTW, The community of Rough and Ready was later changed to Alton. = That's where I grew up. In my growing up days it was anything but Rough = and Ready. Quiet and peaceful, very laid back. But I always heard in = it's heyday it was very different. A little boom town. There was a = saloon there called Chimney or Chimley Corner that was the place to go. = It's still there and was a residence for a long time but has fallen = into disrepair. Must be where it originally got it's name. So folks, that's your = history lesson for today . Thanks, Linda From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Fw: LYLE ???? Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 06:30:10 -0700 Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: Re: LYLE ???? Hi Cousins Lyle is off the ventilator but he has sunk into a coma and it is just a = matter of time before he goes to meet his family in heaven. I spent = last night at the hospital all night. I didn't need to because he slept = peacefully all night. Today, we couldn't get any real response from = him. Once in awhile he would open his eyes, but he wasn't focusing on = anything. All his vital signs look good, but the lungs are not = exchanging the CO2 for oxygen in his blood and he will just go to sleep = and not wake up. The Doctor said it could be hours or days before he = goes. I came home tonight with Dennis for supper. Pat stopped for pizza. I = may go back to the hospital after supper, I don't know yet. He was = still asleep when we left there. They transferred him out of CCU to a = private room on the first floor this afternoon. There is nothing more = they can do for him in CCU, except keep him comfortable and they can do = that in a regular room. He is in isolation because of the Staph = infection and that is why he has a private room. They couldn't put = anyone else in the room with him. I will let you know if anything changes. He is still the same this = morning. I did decide to stay home last night to get some badly needed = sleep. Love you guys, thanks for your prayers. Vivian, Dennis and Pat From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Fw: LYLE ???? Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:21:07 -0700 Dear Cousins, Just a brief message to tell you that Lyle Gudgell passed away this = morning May 12, 2003 at 5:45 A.M. He was 82 yrs. 2 mos. old. He will be buried here on Camano Island, Wa. along side of his grandson, = Ryan Gudgell. Thanks for all of your support. Vivian, Dennis and Pat Gudgell ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vivian Gudgell=20 To: Gudgel-list=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: Fw: LYLE ???? Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: Re: LYLE ???? Hi Cousins Lyle is off the ventilator but he has sunk into a coma and it is just a = matter of time before he goes to meet his family in heaven. I spent = last night at the hospital all night. I didn't need to because he slept = peacefully all night. Today, we couldn't get any real response from = him. Once in awhile he would open his eyes, but he wasn't focusing on = anything. All his vital signs look good, but the lungs are not = exchanging the CO2 for oxygen in his blood and he will just go to sleep = and not wake up. The Doctor said it could be hours or days before he = goes. I came home tonight with Dennis for supper. Pat stopped for pizza. I = may go back to the hospital after supper, I don't know yet. He was = still asleep when we left there. They transferred him out of CCU to a = private room on the first floor this afternoon. There is nothing more = they can do for him in CCU, except keep him comfortable and they can do = that in a regular room. He is in isolation because of the Staph = infection and that is why he has a private room. They couldn't put = anyone else in the room with him. I will let you know if anything changes. He is still the same this = morning. I did decide to stay home last night to get some badly needed = sleep. Love you guys, thanks for your prayers. Vivian, Dennis and Pat From: "Rita Roe" Subject: Gudgel Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:08:45 -0400 Hello Gudgel relatives! My name is Rita Roe. I just started doing some = family research for my husband's side of the family. His line of kin is = thru Holland Porter Gudgel and Eveyln Spindle. Their son William Leon = Gudgel was my husbands grandfather. My husband, Tony Roe was born in = Dumas, Texas. He lived most his childhood live in Wapanucka, Oklahoma. = He's been in the Army going on 12 years. We are stationed at Ft. Eustis, = Virginia. We both are looking forward to getting to know everyone. = Hopefully I'll be able to provide ya'll with information on his line. = I'm currently trying to get it straight. Please feel free to email me = anytime. shortyroe69@cox.net Thank you, Rita From Beverly.NOSPAMPLEASECotton@law.NOSPAMPLEASEstate.ky.us Tue May 13 11:05:34 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:35:15 -0700 From: "Cotton, Beverly (KYOAG)" To: LOTS of Gudgels etc... (removed addresses) Subject: Email Address Hello: My name is Beverly Carleen Mefford Cotton. My mother is Dolores Evelee Walker Mefford Her parents were: Horace Witherspoon Walker & Hattie Evangeline Crossfield my e-mail address at home is: meme@NOSPAMPLEASEkfbol.com home address: 1157 Alton Station Road Lawrenceburg KY 40342 home phone: 502-839-6316 cell phone: 502-803-1912 and my work information is below: Beverly C Cotton Consumer Protection Division Office of the Attorney General Suite 200 1024 Capital Center Drive Frankfort KY 40601-8204 phone: 502-696-5389 fax: 502-573-8317 e-mail: Beverly.Cotton@law.NOSPAMPLEASEstate.ky.us This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential information that is legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and destroy your copy. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Gudgel Finnell [mailto:lfinnell@infionline.net] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:58 AM To: Woodford Co. Historical Soc; Winfred Gudgel; Windy Gudgel; Subject: New Email Address Please note my new email address effective tomorrow, May 9, 2003. My server has changed it's name. Sorry for the inconvenience. I have had my old address for years but had to change it. My new address is: lfinnell@NOSPAMPLEASEinfionline.net Thanks for understanding and keep in touch. Linda Gudgel Finnell Woodford Co., Kentucky From: "Stephen Gudgel" <932762318@terra.es> To: "Bob Gudgel" , "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Cotton fields Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:45:05 +0200 Does anybody know why we keep getting these Beverely Cotton messages? I = suppose everyone on the list is getting them. I have gotten several and = keep deleting them, but I wonder if something has invaded the list. =20 Stephen Barcelona From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:01:10 -0500 (CDT) To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Repeated emails Stephen, I'm getting these repeated 'Cotton' emails also. Ardath Potts From: "Vivian Gudgell" Subject: Re: Lyle's Services Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:07:24 -0700 Cousins, Just a note to let you know the graveside services for Lyle Gudgell will be held at the Camano Lutheran Cemetery at 3:00 p.m. Friday May 16, 2003. There will be viewing Thursday at the Gilbertson Funeral Home in Stanwood, WA. Thank you all Vivian Gudgell and family From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Just Stuff Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 00:10:21 -0400 Hi Folks- Welcome to Rita Roe! It's always great to see new cousins getting = involved with all the GUDGEL family and I'm glad to see so many sharing = some information already. This is what we are all about. I believe I am at fault (sort of) for some of you getting multiple = emails from this Beverly Cotton. She was on my mailing list when I = notified everyone about my new address but I'm not sure how her response = turned into repeated messages. Must be something on her end. Beveryly = is a CROSSFIELD descendant however, so maybe we can overlook it . I have had a busy week with my last child graduating from college!!! = Yippee!! This is such a milestone for us. Carrie graduated Saturday, = May 10th, from the University of Kentucky with her Master's degree in = Communication Disorders (Speech Pathology). She began work yesterday at = Cardinal Hill Rehabilitation Hospital in Lexington. For those not = familiar with Cardinal Hill, it has recently been named one of the top = 50 Rehabilitation hospitals in the nation. It is a wonderful place and = she is very pleased to be working there. Please don't think I'm = bragging but I have to tell you guys that she graduated Summa Cum = Laude. I think that is so wonderful--she has worked so hard. Gary and = I haven't figured out where all the smart genes came from yet. I say = the Gudgel side and he says the Finnell side . Either way, both = girls have done outstanding in college. My son-in-law, Brain, is so = excited that she will now get a paycheck after a 2 year graduate = program. Hope all the mother's enjoyed their Mother's Day. Linda from Kentucky Lush and green from all the rain. Cool and sunny this week. From william.m.webb@gte.net Tue May 13 21:29:25 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:46:32 -0500 From: William "Bill" Webb Subject: Re: Gudgel Hi Rita, It is a small world. I too was born in Dumas, TX. Born and raised there. My parents and a slew of Aunts, Uncles and Cousins are buried there. I still have a sister living there and in Stinnet (about 30 miles east). I was born in 1952 and graduated in 1970. What year was Tony born there? I pretty much left Dumas behind in 1972. Just went back to see my family but seldom go now since all are deceased except for my sisters. Your Holland Porter was a half-brother to my Grandmother Dollie Mae Gudgel-Tidwell. As Dianne said in her mailing, Thomas Jefferson Gudgel had 3 wives. My Grandmother came through Thomas Jefferson and 2nd wife Mary Myers. I'd have to dig out my Gudgel files to see what I have to share with you. I spend 98% of my time working on my Webb Line. I'm not sure at the moment what I have. Shirley Denny is another Gudgel researcher that probably has information on Holland Porter and his line. She used to be on the list but don't know whether she is at the moment. We usually keep up with each other but I haven't heard from her in the last few months. Her Husband Walton is a descendant of Thomas Jefferson and 1st wife Sarah through Mary Agnes Gudgel - a sister of Holland Porter. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Mary Agnes was Walton's Grandmother. I knew Mary Agnes when I was a child. We knew her as "Aunt Molly". She was a sweet heart. We went to OK every summer to see Grandma Dollie and my folks always took Dollie to visit Molly until Molly's death in 1961. I can get you in touch with Shirley if she is not on the list and does not see these postings. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Rita Roe To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:11 AM Subject: Gudgel Hello Gudgel relatives! My name is Rita Roe. I just started doing some family research for my husband's side of the family. His line of kin is thru Holland Porter Gudgel and Eveyln Spindle. Their son William Leon Gudgel was my husbands grandfather. My husband, Tony Roe was born in Dumas, Texas. He lived most his childhood live in Wapanucka, Oklahoma. He's been in the Army going on 12 years. We are stationed at Ft. Eustis, Virginia. We both are looking forward to getting to know everyone. Hopefully I'll be able to provide ya'll with information on his line. I'm currently trying to get it straight. Please feel free to email me anytime. shortyroe69@cox.net Thank you, Rita From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: 2 SUTHERLAND/GUDGEL MARRIAGES IN ILLINOIS Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:46:54 -0400 Hi Folks- Got another burning question for you . I found two SUTHERLAND brothers in Illinois who married GUDGEL girls. = Wondering if you can halp me identify them? James Hiram (Harvey) GUDGEL b. abt 1841 Futon Co., IL married Maria = GUDGEL. William Harrison GUDGEL- b. abt. 1841, d. after 1901; married Mary Ellen = GUDGEL (b. 1848, Orange, CA) These boys were sons of Isaac SUTHERLAND, b. 1802, NY, d. 1877 Bureau = Co., IL. Married (1) Sylvia HACKETT, (2) Margaret McKEG about 1836. = Margaret McKeg must have been their mother. I found the family of Isaac = and Margaret on the 1860 Census in Bureau Co., IL. Who were the parents = of the GUDGEL gilrs and were they related? Well, Memorial Day weekend is upon us. Anyone got special plans for the = holiday? I took the day off tomorrow and we are leaving in the morning = going to Kentucky Lake in western KY for a long weekend. 4 couples (all = cousins) going so it should be fun even if we get rained on. And I = plan on doing some fishing. It's been a long time since I went fishing. = Maybe Gary will wind up fishing me out of the lake! Hope not. Everyone have a good and safe holiday. Linda from Kentucky cloudy and mild. Lots of rain for the last 2 weeks. Time for Summer to = show it's colors!! From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: SUTHERLAND/GUDGEL marriages Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:50:46 -0400 Thank you Nancy! I know you guys will always come through for me. Will get back with you when I return on Monday. Have a great weekend. Linda From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" Subject: Our Cousins are so great! Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:03:01 -0500 This morning Dianne Gudgel Holmes stopped by for breatkfast! (She flew in from Alaska to visit her son who is graduating from=20 Carlton College this spring.) Since I live near the airport--it was only logical that she come on in to St. Paul, before going down the=20 Northfield for lunch! We had the best visit! I shared with her the photos and info from the Gudgel Gathering--she = commented on the wonderful preperations Juanita and Reba did. (The name tags = alone were a stroke of genius!) We also looked at the family phots that I have and she gave me direction = about labeling them. She is a true researcher! We also talked about lots of other = things, and then she was off! 7:30-9:30a.m.is just not enough time to get it all = in! Oh Mia.......she told me to send you her thanks for the rubbing. She = will get an official "thank you" to you soon.........Things have been pretty hectic = for her lately. Folks, we do need to think about our next gathering-- Dianne pointed out that Old Andrew lived in Illinois a comparatively = short time. So much more was spent in Kentucky. =20 Have a great Memorial Day weekend! Our lilacs are in bloom here.......and trees are about leafed out. -jennette Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:54:07 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Tommy Begley. A Hero Let's remember the real Veteran heroes. Those who didn't come back. This memorial is for Tommy Begley. The story appeared in a Gudgel News letter I published a couple hears ago. The story explains who he was. As the pictures mess up the list I can only refer you to the link where you can see his picture. I still get a sad feeling when I see his picture. He was such a nice boy. As the story explains Kay and I saw him the day he left home for his tour on his Aircraft Carrier. Doyal Gudgel Sr.
Tommy Begley March 8, 1926 February 21, 1945 By Doyal Gudgel Tommy Begley was a Gudgel because his mother was Ella Gudgel before she became Mrs. Ross Begley. Ella was the daughter of Thomas Wiley Gudgel and Emma Sarah Sevedge Gudgel. Thomas Wiley G and family made the trip out to Chowchilla in 1930 as told by Opal elsewhere in this letter. His sister Lavada Peterson has done research and made a book about Tommy from which the following information was obtained. It was by pure chance Kay and I were there when Tommy left his home for the last time going off to war. Tommy had finished Marine Boot Camp and Advanced Gunnery school. He was on furlough and was leaving to report for duty on the USS Saratoga docked at Bremerton Washington. Kay and I were in Chowchilla vacationing before I was to report for duty with the US Army. Tommy was leaving while we were visiting aunt Ella and uncle Ross Begley We saw him go. His parents and sisters were on the porch crying as Kay and I stood at the foot of the steps and watched him walk smartly to his friends waiting car in the U shaped driveway. We could not see his tears. Tommy was five years younger than I so all the time when I either visited or lived with his parents (they had much to do with my upbringing) he was just a little kid. Now he was grown up and these five years no longer mattered. Lavada His sister Lavada Peterson has written a book about her brother and I thought it worthwhile to include some of her thoughts of what war was like for the people left at home. I think she has done an outstanding job telling how the home front met the challenge of a death in the family. In the old days the letter edged in black was dreaded. Then a telegram delivered the bad news. Now the conventional means of delivering the message is by personal visit of an officer of the branch of service. Tommy was a popular boy in school. He entered Chowchilla highschool in 1940. He played on the football team, president of the High School Boys Club, president of the Senior class in 1943, President of the Future Farmers of America and was selected to go to Sacramento to learn about government. Finally he was selected to speak at his graduation and spoke on the subject of Freedom From Fear. Tommy was 15 when Pearl Harbor was bombed. His family hoped that the war would be over before he became of age to join the military. Ross Begley, his father, knew what war was all about as he had fought in WW1. Tommy graduated from highschool seven months before he became 18 and would be required to register for the draft. One day before he became 18 his parents signed permission for him to enlist in the Marines. He wanted to enlist instead of being drafted into the Army. If he had waited until he was 18 before registering he would have been drafted.. His boot camp was Camp Pendleton in San Diego. Five months after boot camp and Advanced Sea School he received orders to report to Bremerton WA and the Saratoga. . ( Personal not by Doyal. Again we were privileged to see him before he left with hiscarrier) From her book about Tommy Lavada writes "Good bye little one I cried. I didn't know if I would ever see him again. I adored my big brother. Oh God, how I loved him. I can't find words to describe the pain this sixteen year old sister felt that summer day. My mother father and sister were heart broken." The "Sara" headed for the war zone on Sept 4 1944. By chance one of the sailors was a good friend of Tommy's and was a member of the crew. This made things less lonely for him. We hear a lot about the ground war at Iwo Jima but the navy had a bad time too. It was February 21 1945 the Japanese made a big attack on the ships concentrating on the Saratoga. Lavada continues, " ...Five Kamikaze pilots crashed into Sara with violent explosions, and seven bombs found their mark. One of the suicide planes crashed near Gun 5 and burst into flames. Fifteen of the sixteen men at Gun 5 were killed. The Casualty List I secured said third degree burns were the cause of Tom's death. "It was February 22, 1945. I was a Junior at Chowchilla High. My parents had let me drive the car to school that day because I needed to go to the post office. When I went to the post office the postmaster told me I had something from my brother at the telegraph office. I drove to the telegraph office located in the train depot near the railroad . I felt lonely and cold walking into this vacant depot by myself. Two wooden benches lined the walls. The icy white tile floor with the black trim echoed as I walked over to the telegraph desk. ‘I'm here for the message from Tom Begley' The telegraph clerk looked at me as though he was studying my face but did not s ay a word. He slowly leafed through all of the telegrams. He held the papers in his other hand now and looked up at me a second time. It was quiet.'Didn't he have a telegram for me?' I thought to myself . I was waiting for him to speak. Instead he hesitatingly leafed through the messages again. He pulled out a blue carbon copy near the bottom of the pile and handed it to me. I read the telegram. Grief stricken somehow I drove home. I did not know the original telegram was being delivered to my parents..... Dad walked into the house and handed Mom the unopened telegram. My parents sat at the kitchen table with the red checkered table cloth and opened the telegram from the War Department." Lavada drove home and then tried to comfort her parents. One way or another the relatives were notified. Her sister was notified in Fresno. Lavada's parents were traumatized of course. The Navy returned his personal effects in addition to some undelivered mail from his parents and sisters. From then on Ross lost interest in farming. He eventually rented out his land and let others do the farming. I received a letter from a granddaughter of Emma Sarah Sevedge Gudgel. She wrote of her opinion of Grandma. This makes me think there may be some stories out there in Gudgel land from other grandchildren about their grandmothers. All Gudgels of my age, which is over 70, (much over 70) knew a grandmother who was probably born before 1900. I personally was raised to a large extent by my Grandparents. Send me your stories about your grandmother if born before 1900. Especially from granddaughter. It may be interesting to learn how the women of that day stack up to the women of today. So, send me your stories. Meet more Gudgels cousins on the Internet. . Email to Bob Gudgel at he is in charge of the list. Our illustrious cousin Paul Gudgel has won re-election to the Kentucky Court of Appeals in November 1999.. Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:38:28 -0700 From: Ralph Johnson Subject: Regarding Tommy Begley My made it appear that the page that was displayed was all. The entire story of Tommy was included. To see it you had to scroll down to the next page. The story appeared in an early Gudgel Newsletter. Doyal Gudgel From: "Juanita Diorio" Subject: Death Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:01:27 -0400 I have just learned of the death of Ruth Gudgel Denning. Those of you = who attended the Gudgel Gathering last fall will remember her and her = sister, Dorothy Douglas. Ruth was born 08 August 1926 in Gibson County, = Indiana and died 25 May 2003 in Gibson County, Indiana. Her line was: = Andrew Gudgel, Sr. > William > Abraham > Arthur Thurman > Ruth Gudgel. = Ruth's son, Donald Denning, Died 25 February 2003. I am sad to hear of = her passing. Juanita Gudgel Diorio To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:44:18 -0700 Subject: Obit: Ruth GUDGEL DENNING Source: Evansville (Indiana) Courier & Press Date of Article: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 INDIANA Ruth (GUDGEL) DENNING Owensville - Ruth J. (GUDGEL) DENNING, 76 died Sunday, May 25, 2003, at Deaconess Hospital. She was born on August 8, 1926, in Gibson County. She was a registered nurse and a member of the First General Baptist Church. She was preceded in death by her parents, Arthur T. and Laurah F. (Epperson) Gudgel; her husband, Ray Denning, in 1987; and a son, Donald, in 2003. Surviving are a son and daughter- in-law, Ron and Jan Denning of Owensville; a son, Larry Denning of Owensville; a daughter-in-law Teresa Denning of Fort Branch; a sister, Dorothy D. Douglas of Owensville; a brother, Robert A. Gudgel of Owensville; grandchildren Jeremy, Katie, Eric, and Adam Denning and Jennifer Ramberger; nieces Judi F. Taylor of Naples, Fla., Linda S. Presnell of Owensville and Mary Julian of Lawrenceville, Ga.; and a nephew, Robert "Gene" Gudgel of Junction City, Ore. Graveside services will be held at 10 a.m. Wednesday in Clark Cemetery, the Rev. Bob Douglas officiating. There will be no visitation at the Holders Funeral Home, Memorial contributions may be made to Clark Cemetery or a favorite charity. From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Just Stuff Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:50:20 -0400 Hi Folks- I wish I could have been in on the visit between Dianne and Jennette! = What fun that must have been. After the successful GUDGEL reunion last = October, I can't encourage each of you enough to visit or contact any = other GUDGEL(L)'s whenever you can. It was so special and a major event = in my life. Thanks to Juanita and Reba for all you did!. I hope to put = together a reunion next summer here in Kentucky for anyone interested. = In fact, I have talked to our Property Valuation Officer here in = Woodford Co. and asked if they could look at the documents I found of = old Andrew's Land Trial Records and possibly tell me exactly where his = land was located on Glen's Creek. They said to bring them to their = office and they would take a look and study the plats and descriptions = for me. Wouldn't that be wonderful if they could do that for us!! And = these documents are nearly 200 years old! So I plan on working on that this year. I know where the area of Glen's = Creek is and I have visited there many times wondering exactly where it = was. But those old "hackberry trees, stones, and white oaks" are surely = long gone . I'd also like to take anyone interested to the old = GUDGEL Cemetery on Rice Road in Anderson County (about 20 minutes from = the Glens Creek area here in Woodford Co. That's where Elijah GUDGELL's = family is buried. And we could visit the Kentucky History Center in = Frankfort (about 15 minutes in another direction!). Their research = library is wonderful. What else would someone like to see here? Will = keep you posted. I was so sorry to hear about Ruth DENNING and Lyle GUDGEL passing away. = And I am sorry I never had the opportunity to meet them. My prayers and = condolences go out to each of these families. I have a couple of questions: *Nancy Dingman answered my question about the 2 SUTHERLAND/GUDGEL = marriages in Illinois. They were the daughters of James GUDGEL and = Elizabeth HORNER. I need one step further....who was James GUDGEL the son of? Thanks = Nancy! *I have a reference to a John GUDGEL married to Lydia Ann Davis, March = 1, 1857, Jefferson Co., Indiana. Who is this John GUDGEL? I don't have = a Lydia Davis listed but have many, many John's . Now, here is a question (not genealogy related) and I am sure some of = you multi-talented cousins can help me out. How do I root a sweet = potato to use as a plant? I thought it would be easy but I have one suspended in a large cup and = there's plenty of roots on it but no leaves growing on the top part not = in the water. Hmmm....do I cut a piece off of the top not un the water = to get it started? My sister-in-law had a sweet potato vine that was = gorgeous. I am usually pretty good with plants but this one has me = stumped. And I remember my grandmother having sweet potatoe vines = rooted before. Any body done this before? And while we are at it.....are the GUDGEL(L)'s noted for being = collectors? Anybody collect things? I love my stuff! Let's hear from you guys. Don't be shy . >From Linda in Kentucky Summer is finally heating up after all the rain. Lush and green = everywhere. Beautiful. Gary's having a hard time keeping ahead of the = grass . From NancykDing@aol.com Fri Jun 6 13:11:33 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:59:50 EDT From: NancykDing@aol.com Subject: Re: Just Stuff In a message dated 6/5/03 9:51:04 PM Central Daylight Time, lfinnell@infionline.net writes: I need one step further....who was James GUDGEL the son of? Thanks Nancy! Stephen Gudgel & Sarah Phillips From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Harry GUDGELL & Margaret LITTLEPAGE Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:59:52 -0400 I found reference to this GUDGEL and wondered if someone could tell me = who this is? Civill Draft Registration Database: Harry GUDGELL Born 13 March 1887 Henderson, KY White Lake Co., FL I found Harry on the 1920 Lake Co., Florida Census Lisbon 9-Precinct, pg. 207 line 38/ Family 61 / Dwelling 61 GUDGELL, Harry, Head, male, white, 31, single, Farmer b. KY, fa. b. KY, = mo. b. IL LITTLEPAGE, Margaret E., mother, female, white, 74, widow, b. OH, fa. b. = IRE, mo. b. OH (I noticed that the census taker noted Harry's mother was b. in IL, but = she is listed as b. OH). Thanks, Linda NOTE: This next email was dumped by procmail because they were not subscribed to the gudgel list but I added it to the archive manually (boB) From abirchler16@hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 19:41:09 2003 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:29:48 -0700 From: arleigh birchler To: wisclifechoice@hotmail.com Subject: Andrew Gudgel Gudgel's; Joe Springer, Curator of the Mennonite Historical Library at Goshen College told me about your discussion at: http://www.eskimo.com/~bgudgel/gudgarc2 I have put together a list of some of your email addresses, hoping to find out more. PLEASE let me know if you would like me to remove your address from this list. Andrew Gudgel was an ancestor of mine. I understand that Frederick Gottschalk was his father, and that Frederick's will is online at the Franconia Mennonite Meetinghouse. I have not been able to find it. In your discussion you mention several other ancestors: John Musick, Jesse Musick, and Hannah Gudgel. I am sharing this with some other descendents of Andrew Gudgel. There is a story, which may be apocryphal, that Andrew Gudgel traveled with a man named Teel. Their children later married each other in Indiana. Another story, which may well be false, is that the Commonwealth of Virginia issued an Arrest Warrant for Andrew Gudgel for failing to serve in the Revolution. As to your query, I have heard from several sources that Andrew Gudgel's name was Gottshalk. I have also seen it spelled Gottschall. Your posting is the first time I have seen Gudshall as a variant. It does help to bridge the progression. As you probably know, Gottshalk is a fairly common surname. Gudgel is much less common, and Gottshall is fairly rare. Any help or information that you can provide would be welcome. Arleigh Birchler Musick/Porter Fan Club 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 (608)251-4437 Note: Please let me know if you got on this list by mistake. I try hard to keep from sending mail to people who don't want it. I sometimes add names to my address book, and then am not aware that they are still there. RLB (THIS WENT TO MY SPAM BUCKET AND I HAVE OFFERED TO SUBSCRIBE ABIRCHLER TO THE GUDGEL LIST boB) From abirchler16@hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 18:59:18 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:53:41 -0700 From: arleigh birchler To: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Cc: wisclifechoice@hotmail.com Subject: Introduction Gudgel's; I have not yet been able to post to this list. If this doesn't work, I will resend it to the addresses of individuals. Dianne and Nancy both suggested that I give you a little background about the Musick's I will try to be brief. You can find some more at: http://www.musickfamily.com/ There are actually a number of other web-sites, but this is the official site of the national association. I started writing a brief paper for my children about their ancestors about a year ago. My youngest son and I had just attended a family reunion in California, and in the process traveled thru home sites in Illinois, Kansas, and Colorado. The paper has grown to about 150 pages. Most of it deals with the descendents of John Musick and Mary Berry in Central Illinois in the first half of the nineteenth century. While they had no great claim to fame, the accident of the time and place led to them being one of the most written about families. I have also written about the other branches of the family, but there is considerably less known about them. The dates below are just for reference. They do not signify any particular event in their lives. The places are mostly counties. 1730 George Musick Sr & Ann ?Allen -- Spotsylvania, Virginia 1760 Ephraim Musick & Isabella Roy -- Albemarle, Virginia 1790 John Musick & Mary Berry -- Woodford, Kentucky 1800 Jesse Musick & Hannah Gudgel -- Gibson, Indiana 1850 John Musick & Mary Johnson -- Logan, Illinois 1880 William H Musick & Rachael Shaw -- Douglas, Kansas 1900 Joseph Musick & Hattie Vitt -- Prowers, Colorado 1920 Blanche Musick & William Benjamin Birchler -- San Joaquin, California ****** 1780 William McFerrin Sr -- New York to Tennessee 1830 Burton L McFerrin and Samuel Porter -- Cass, Missouri ?--- Porter & ?--- McFerrin 1880 Maxfield Burton Porter & ?Josephine Darling -- Western Kansas 1920 Urma Harriet Porter & George Washington Cameron -- Stanislaus, California The McFerrin and Porter families came from Scotland before the Revolution. After the war they moved to "Old Virginia", and then to Rutherford County, Tennessee. Judge McFerrin and Reverend Porter then moved to what would become Cass County, Missouri. Their children married each other. I don't remember off the top of my head the names of Maxfield Burton's parents. He was sixteen when the families were driven out of Missouri by General Order #11. The complete manuscript is large, but I would be glad to send it as an attachment to anyone interested. I understand that on some computers the email software tries to open attachments when the user opens the message. This can result in a long delay for unsuspecting recipients. I spent the last six months on 1861 to 1865. I finally gave up trying to cut it down to less then the rest, combined. I will return to it soon. Blanche and Urma were my grandmothers. Arleigh Birchler Musick/Porter Fan Club 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 (608)251-4437 Note: Please let me know if you got on this list by mistake. I try hard to keep from sending mail to people who don't want it. I sometimes add names to my address book, and then am not aware that they are still there. RLB Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:52:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gudgel To: David Gudgel Subject: Re: Am I related? David, With a last name of Gudgel, you're related. 99.9% sure of that. And I bet somebody on this gudgel mail list can probably tell you exactly how.... (hopefuly) Does LD Gudgel of Sherman Texas ring a bell to anybody on the list ? Thanks for getting in touch, David ! Bob Gudgel Everett, WA On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, David Gudgel wrote: > My name is David Wayne Gudgel and I live in Sherman Texas. I was born > in Dec. of 1958. My dad's name is LD Gudgel of Sherman. I was just > wondering if I might be related to you guys. Saw your web site and > couldn't believe it. I have been a high school band director for the > past 21 years, the last 12 in Van Alstyne Texas. Please email me or > write/call. > > David Gudgel > 1623 Yarborough Dr. > Sherman, TX. 75092 > (903) 893.-1408 Home > (903) 482-8843 Work > > > From: "arleigh birchler" To: bgudgel@eskimo.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Am I related? Yes... Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:40:41 -0500 David; One fairly good source for family distribution in the mid-nineteenth century is the US Park Service Civil War Database. I think most of the Gudgel's I saw were northerners: Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, (states that start with "I" ;) There are a lot more Gottschalk's, but I don't know if they are related. I haven't looked-up the other variations (Gudchal, Gotschall, etc) Arleigh Birchler Musick/Porter Fan Club 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 (608)251-4437 Note: Please let me know if you got on this list by mistake. I try hard to keep from sending mail to people who don't want it. I sometimes add names to my address book, and then am not aware that they are still there. RLB > >On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, David Gudgel wrote: > > > My name is David Wayne Gudgel and I live in Sherman Texas. I was born > > in Dec. of 1958. My dad's name is LD Gudgel of Sherman. I was just From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "Bob Gudgel" Subject: L.D. GUDGEL, Sherman, Texas Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:28:55 -0400 David- Can you give us a little more information on your GUDGEL line? Who was L.D. Gudgel's father (your grandfather)? I don't have an L.D. GUDGEL in my database but I know there were GUDGEL's in Texas and others on the list can probably help too. Give us as much information as you can, as far back as you can. Any dates, names, locations, etc. I agree with Bob, a 99.9% chance we can find your line. Bet you a coke . Linda Gudgel Finnell from Kentucky, Horse capital of the World. Nice rain tonight--beautiful summer weather. > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, David Gudgel wrote: > > > My name is David Wayne Gudgel and I live in Sherman Texas. I was born > > in Dec. of 1958. My dad's name is LD Gudgel of Sherman. I was just > > wondering if I might be related to you guys. Saw your web site and From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:33:52 -0500 (CDT) To: bgudgel@eskimo.com (Bob Gudgel) ( cc'd to the list) Subject: Re: Am I related? Bob and David, Two Gudgel brothers, Calvin and Allen, left Pike County, Illinois, after the Civil War and went to the area of Dennison/Sherman Texas, in Grayson County. They were half-brothers to my great -grandfather , David. Years ago, my Aunt Hazel used to pass through Sherman on her way to Mexico and would visit with relatives there. I'll make a guess that David is related in his ancestors to Calvin. This is the same line that 'Doc' Larry Gudgel is connected to. We need more research on the line in that area. There are photos of Calvin's family (and Allen's) in the archives. I have Calvin's Civil War records. Can David send me an email? The line is Frederick, Andrew, John, Andrew, Calvin (and Allen), ???? Ardath Potts From: "Terri Montigny" "Mom" Subject: adding people to Gudgel list Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:35:39 -0400 Some of you may remember my mother and Aunt Helen from the Gudgel Gathering in Gibson County - they are both on-line now. Helen Gudgel Sites - hls7474@aol.com Maxine Gudgel Stout - grandmaatthelake@earthlink.net Please add them to the Gudgel list. Thanks Terri Montigny MultiFund of Columbus, Inc 2999 E. Dublin Granville Road Columbus, OH 43231 614-895-4860 phone 614-895-4870 fax Focus and Direction creates time. -----Original Message----- From: aap109@webtv.net [mailto:aap109@webtv.net] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:34 AM To: Bob Gudgel Cc: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Am I related? Bob and David, Two Gudgel brothers, Calvin and Allen, left Pike County, Illinois, after the Civil War and went to the area of Dennison/Sherman Texas, in Grayson County. They were half-brothers to my great -grandfather , David. Years ago, my Aunt Hazel used to pass through Sherman on her way to Mexico and would visit with relatives there. I'll make a guess that David is related in his ancestors to Calvin. This is the same line that 'Doc' Larry Gudgel is connected to. We need more research on the line in that area. There are photos of Calvin's family (and Allen's) in the archives. I have Calvin's Civil War records. Can David send me an email? The line is Frederick, Andrew, John, Andrew, Calvin (and Allen), ???? Ardath Potts Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:00:57 -0500 From: arleigh birchler To: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com Cc: gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Musick's; I just received this URL from my Missouri Civil War group. You can search on last name by simply putting a comma at the end ( Musick, ) Looks like the family kept the court kind of busy... I'll check on the Gudgel's in a moment... http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/judiciary/supremecourt/ Arleigh Birchler Musick/Porter Fan Club 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 (608)251-4437 From mfleegel@adelphia.net Sun Jun 29 10:59:45 2003 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:29:25 -0400 From: Mia K. Fleegel To: David Gudgel Cc: Gudgel List Welcom to Cousin David Wayne Gudgel! It appears to me that David Wayne is from my end of the Gudgel family tree. Here is what I have on this family: Descendants of Calvin Gudgel - son of John Gudgel and Jane Harbison 1 Calvin Gudgel b: 10 January 1844 in Carthage, Hancock Co., IL d: 17 February 1930 in Grayson Co., TX .. +Mary Bell b: 12 February 1854 in Pike Co., IL d: 6 July 1931 in Pottsboro, Grayson Co., TX m: 26 December 1872 in Hannibal, Marion Co., MO .......... 2 Harry Gudgel b: 10 May 1875 .......... 2 Edward Gudgel b: 2 October 1877 in TX .............. +Virgie Mitchusson b: 17 March 1880 in TX d: 1 April 1958 m: 2 September 1899 in Earl, Indian Territory, OK ....................... 3 Clarence Ninnion Gudgell b: 25 December 1901 in Mannsville, OK d: 30 December 1974 in Dennard, Van Buren Co., AR ........................... +Hester Ann Summers b: 11 October 1904 in Camden Co., MO d: 6 September 1999 in Wapato, WA m: 25 February 1925 in Blanchard, McLain Co., OK .................................... 4 Virgie Almeda Gudgel .................................... 4 Calvin Clarence Gudgell .................................... 4 Olga Gudgel .................................... 4 Loraine Gudgell ....................... 3 Daisy Gudgell b: 1899 ....................... 3 --?-- Gudgell .......... 2 Annie Gudgel b: 13 February 1880 in TX .............. +Will Martin .......... 2 Ottas Gudgel b: 8 December 1882 in TX .............. +Ellar Brownen ....................... 3 Oma Brownen ........................... +--?-- Hall .......... 2 Minney Gudgel b: 26 July 1885 in AR .............. +--?-- Clement .......... 2 Cala Gudgel b: 11 November 1887 in TX d: in Phoenix, AR .............. +Austin Davis .......... 2 Lewis Allen Gudgel b: 31 January 1890 in IL .............. +Ethel Gertrude Holman b: 24 February 1898 d: November 1985 ....................... 3 Luther Gudgel ....................... 3 Olen Dee Gudgel b: 14 March 1917 in Pottsboro Texas d: 26 June 1992 .................................... 4 Larry Don Gudgel ....................... 3 Geneva Gudgel ........................... +Allen Mcglothlin ....................... 3 Wandeline Gudgel b: 21 February 1934 in on the family farm near (North East) Gracemont, OK d: 7 March 2001 in Clinton, OK ........................... +--?-- Harmon ....................... 3 Winnie Gudgel .......... 2 Lawrence David Gudgel b: 10 March 1892 in Indian Territory, OK d: 1979 in Sherman, Grayson Co., TX .............. +Myrtle Zibby Steel b: 17 May 1895 in Preston Bend, Grayson Co., TX d: March 1978 in Sherman Nursing home, Sherman, Grayson Co., TX m: 17 December 1912 in Pottsboro, TX ....................... 3 L. D. Gudgel ........................... +Cynthia Sue Covington .................................... 4 David Wayne Gudgel .................................... 4 Susan Elizabeth Gudgel .................................... 4 John Lynn Gudgel .................................... 4 James Charles Gudgel My Grandfather, Lawrence David Adkins (Son of Phoebe Ellen Gudgel) was named after the Lawrence David born on 10 March 1892 and my family in Illinois kept in contact with the Texas Gudgel's for many years. Is L.D.'s name Lawrence David also? The name Wayne is also in my family...My Dad is Richard Wayne Adkins and goes by Wayne. David Milton Gudgel was the half brother of Calvin...So David....your name may date back to my Great-Great-Grandfather. David, I am a High School Librarian at Nottingham High School in Syracuse, NY. Mia K. Adkins Fleegel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gudgel" To: "David Gudgel" Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Am I related? > > David, > > With a last name of Gudgel, you're related. > 99.9% sure of that. And I bet somebody on this > gudgel mail list can probably tell you exactly how.... > (hopefuly) > > Does LD Gudgel of Sherman Texas ring a bell to anybody > on the list ? > > Thanks for getting in touch, David ! > > Bob Gudgel > Everett, WA > > > > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, David Gudgel wrote: > > > My name is David Wayne Gudgel and I live in Sherman Texas. I was born > > in Dec. of 1958. My dad's name is LD Gudgel of Sherman. I was just > > wondering if I might be related to you guys. Saw your web site and > > couldn't believe it. I have been a high school band director for the > > past 21 years, the last 12 in Van Alstyne Texas. Please email me or > > write/call. > > > > David Gudgel > > 1623 Yarborough Dr. > > Sherman, TX. 75092 > > (903) 893.-1408 Home > > (903) 482-8843 Work > > > > From rmoberly@swbell.net Sun Jun 29 11:29:08 2003 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:10:53 -0500 From: Richard Moberly To: Mia K. Fleegel , David Gudgel Cc: Gudgel List Greetings Gudgel cousins and new cousin David. Mia thanks for the descendant line of Calvin Gudgel. The one you have listed here as the son of John Gudgel and Jane harbison does not fit with my data, but fits as the son of Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples and the grandson of John & Jane Gudgel . Here is what I have. Please correct me if I am wrong. I have gathered much of this from the internet and other family members and am in the slow process of obtaining verification documentation, so your assistance would be most appreicated. I just received the Military Service file on my GGGrandfather Marion Francis Gudgel, who served in the Civil War. Richard Eugene Moberly (Marvin Keith, Elmer Merle, Martha Lucina Gudgel, Marion Francis, Andrew, John, Andrew, Frederick Gotshall) John Gudgel and Jane Harbison John born c 1776 in Pennsylvania d 1859 Indiana married 23 May 1804 Woodford County Kentucky D 1806 Mariah b kentucky S 1807 Allen b kentucky S c 1809 Andrew b Woodford County Kentucky (*See below) S 1809 David b Kentucky D 1810 (girl) b Indiana S 1812 Preston b Indiana S 1815 (infant boy) b Indiana S 1816 John b Indiana D 1818 Jane b Indiana S 1819 Jacob b Indiana S 23 Apr 1823 Harvey b Indiana S 1824 Calvin b Indiana D c 1825 America b Indiana S 2 Jun 1827 Wesley b Indiana D 1830 (infant girl) b Indiana *Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples married 27 Sep 1832 S 23 Nov 1834 Marion Francis b Lard, Jefferson County, Indiana D 14 Sep 1835 Rebecca Jane b Indiana or Illinois S 1837 John b Indiana S Mar 1839 Allen b Indiana D 1844 Evelline b Illinois S 10 Jan 1846 Calvin b Carthage, Hancock County, Illinois 17 Feb 1930 Grayson County, Texas and buried in Georgetown Cemetery, age 84. Civil War Veteran who served with his brother Marion Francis. Calvin married Margaret Bell on 26 Dec 1872 in Hannibal, Marion County, Missouri. (NOTE:Rest of this line has been omitted for brevity)rem -----Original Message----- From: Mia K. Fleegel [mailto:mfleegel@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:29 AM To: David Gudgel Cc: Gudgel List Subject: Am I related? - Yes you are! Welcom to Cousin David Wayne Gudgel! It appears to me that David Wayne is from my end of the Gudgel family tree. Here is what I have on this family: Descendants of Calvin Gudgel - son of John Gudgel and Jane Harbison 1 Calvin Gudgel b: 10 January 1844 in Carthage, Hancock Co., IL d: 17 February 1930 in Grayson Co., TX .. +Mary Bell b: 12 February 1854 in Pike Co., IL d: 6 July 1931 in Pottsboro, Grayson Co., TX m: 26 December 1872 in Hannibal, Marion Co., MO From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: "Richard Moberly" , "David Gudgel" Cc: "Gudgel List" Subject: Re: Am I related? - Yes you are! Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:02:03 -0400 Hello Richard, Of course you are correct. I skipped a generation. Yes, Calvin is the grandson of John and Jane, not the son! Speaking of Calvin's...Here is what I have of the Calvin who is the son of John and Jane... Descendants of Calvin Gudgel (Really the son of John Gudgel and Jane Harbison) 1 Calvin Gudgel b: Abt. 1821 in IN d: Aft. 1880 . +Catherine Mayfield b: Abt. 1824 in MD d: Aft. 1880 m: 7 January 1847 in Jefferson Co., IN ...... 2 Elizabeth J. Gudgel b: Abt. 1848 in Jefferson Co., IN ...... 2 Thomas H. Gudgel b: April 1849 in Jefferson Co., IN .......... +Florence --?-- b: March 1855 in IN .............. 3 Herman Gudgel b: 19 March 1880 in Spencer Twp., Jennings Co., IN .................. +Anna Jackson b: 11 January 1885 in IN m: 29 May 1907 in Marion Co., IN ...................... 4 Charlene? F. Gudgel b: Abt. 1916 in IN .............. 3 Smith Gudgel b: March 1881 in IN .................. +Cora B. Justice m: 28 August 1901 in Howard Co., IN ...................... 4 --?-- Gudgel b: 11 June 1902 .............. 3 Ethel Gudgel b: May 1884 in IN ...... 2 Augusta Gudgel b: Abt. 1851 in Jefferson Co., IN .......... +William A. Tobias m: 24 April 1879 in Jennings Co., IN .............. 3 --?-- Tobias b: 17 November 1884 in Howard Co., IN ...... 2 Martha C. Gudgel b: Abt. 1860 in Jefferson Co., IN d: Aft. 1880 Mia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Moberly" To: "Mia K. Fleegel" ; "David Gudgel" Cc: "Gudgel List" Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Am I related? - Yes you are! > Greetings Gudgel cousins and new cousin David. > Mia > thanks for the descendant line of Calvin Gudgel. The one you have listed > here as the son of John Gudgel and Jane harbison does not fit with my data, > but fits as the son of Andrew Gudgel and Elizabeth Staples and the grandson <<>> From: "The Hodges" To: "Bob Gudgel" Cc: "Gudgel List" Subject: David Gudgel "Are we related? Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:32:54 -0500 Hi Cousins: Ardath Potts suggested that I tell the Gudgel-List the same info that=20 I e-mailed to her. Last Thursday evening when I received the Gudgel-List pertaining to David Gudgel in Sherman, Texas, I called him. =20 It turns out that his gg? grandfather, Calvin Gudgel, and my g grand father Alan Gudgel were half-brothers.=20 He told me the church he attends here in Sherman. It happens to be the one we attend also. We attend first service and he attends third service, so our paths would seldom cross. Its a small world isn't it. Goes to show its better to start looking for relatives in your own back yard! Thanks on my behalf for all the info you sent to him. It helps me a bunch too. I believe there are two other Calvin Gudgel descendants that I have traded e-mails with: Gail Hohenberger, gailh@neto.com and=20 Arlene, arlb@infinitytx.net. Both are here in Texas. Take care Oletta Hodge kc5aft@gte.net Sherman, Texas From: Bob Gudgel Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re. David Gudgel (Sherman) What can I say but "WoW" ! This is very cool ! >>>He told me the church he attends here in Sherman. It happens to be the one we attend also. We attend first service and he attends third service, so our paths would seldom cross. Its a small world isn't it. Goes to show its better to start looking for relatives in your own back yard! >>> boB From: "Connie Phillips" To: "Bob Gudgel" , Subject: Re: Re. David Gudgel (Sherman) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:00:59 -0400 And we all thought we were the only Gudgels while growing up. Isn't this neat? I agree Bob Wow is a good word. Connie P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gudgel" To: Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re. David Gudgel (Sherman) > What can I say but "WoW" ! > > This is very cool ! > > boB > > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: GUDGEL's in Sherman, Texas Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:14:37 -0400 Hi Folks- I second the "WOW" too. This is great. And thanks to those who sent the related information on this line. I = had some missing links that helped me too. You guys never cease to amaze me. I'm also glad to know that Helen Sites and Maxine Stout are now online. = I met these neat ladies at the GUDGEL reunion last year. Welcome = ladies! Hope we will be hearing from you both now. Keep all this good stuff coming our way!! Linda=20 from Kentucky Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:23:34 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: The Hodges CC: Bob Gudgel , Gudgel List Subject: Re: David Gudgel "Are we related? That's great! I'm glad we are making some progress on our family history as things have been so slow lately. So now can we expect great things from you two now that you are so close and can get together to compare notes and do research? If I ever get done with some nasty remodeling, I'll write up what I found out about my uncle who was on the Lexington when it sank in WWII and what happened to some of the guys who survived. By the way, does anyone know much about the first Sea Bee unit that was formed in WWII? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes Anchorage The Hodges wrote: > Hi Cousins: > > Ardath Potts suggested that I tell the Gudgel-List the same info that > I e-mailed to her. > <<>> From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" Subject: Calvin GUDGEL line Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 17:42:06 -0400 Hi Folks- Hope someone can straighten me out here. I have two Calvin GUDGEL's and = the children don't match up to what was submitted on the list the other = day. (1) Calvin GUDGEL (1844-1930) s/o Andrew GUDGEL and Elizabeth STAPLES- = married 1872 in Hannibal, Marion Co., MO to Margaret Minakie BELL = (1854-1931). Children: Oswald and Florence. (2) Calvin GUDGEL (1824-1860) s/o John GUDGEL and Jean HARBISON- married = Catherine MAYFIELD (b. 1826) in 1826 in Jefferson Co., IN. Children: = Elizabeth, Thomas, Augusta and Martha. I have a feeling I have the wives mixed up? I was sure the children = were not complete but this new info. has me really confused. Someone = help me out here please. Also need dates of birth, death, locations, etc. Thanks, Linda From: "Mia K. Fleegel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" References: <000201c340e3$e04b7020$44f1be3f@finnell> Subject: Re: Calvin GUDGEL line Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:06:18 -0400 Linda,=20 Oscar Lewis (b. 14 September 1894) and Florence J. (b. 1 July 1890) are = the children of Louis Melhouse Gudgel & Effie E. Lyons. Louis is the son = of Andrew GUDGEL and Eliza Elizabeth SHANER and a half brother to = Calvin. Mia ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Gudgel Finnell=20 To: Gudgel List=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: Calvin GUDGEL line Hi Folks- Hope someone can straighten me out here. I have two Calvin GUDGEL's = and the children don't match up to what was submitted on the list the = other day. (1) Calvin GUDGEL (1844-1930) s/o Andrew GUDGEL and Elizabeth STAPLES- = married 1872 in Hannibal, Marion Co., MO to Margaret Minakie BELL = (1854-1931). Children: Oswald and Florence. (2) Calvin GUDGEL (1824-1860) s/o John GUDGEL and Jean HARBISON- = married Catherine MAYFIELD (b. 1826) in 1826 in Jefferson Co., IN. = Children: Elizabeth, Thomas, Augusta and Martha. I have a feeling I have the wives mixed up? I was sure the children = were not complete but this new info. has me really confused. Someone = help me out here please. Also need dates of birth, death, locations, etc. Thanks, Linda From: "arleigh birchler" To: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Musick_Family] Hannah Musick, Franklin Co., KY. Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:51:00 -0500 Cassie; Not sure where Franklin County is without looking it up, but I definitely know one Hannah Musick in Kentucky at that time. (Okay! I looked it up. Frankfort is just a few miles from the north tip of Woodford County.) Her name was Hannah Gudgel. She married Jesse Musick 11/11/1801 either in Woodford County, or in Lexington. John Graves is, of course, a very familiar name, as is John Bell. Jesse is the son of John and Mary Berry; John is the son of Ephraim and Isabella Roy; and (of course) Ephraim is the son of George and Ann Musick. Hannah's father was Andrew Gudgel, whose father was Frederick Gotschall. Andrew and Frederick came to this country from the Palatine just before the Revolution. They were Mennonite farmers and settled in Franconia Township, in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Andrew moved to the southwest corner of Pennsylvania, were he owned a farm named Peaceful. At that time, however, the boundaries were not clear. Peaceful was in an area that some claimed to be part of Pennsylvania, while others said it was part of Virginia. Never ones to miss a good thing, many of the settlers decided that they did not belong to any state, and therefore did not have to pay any taxes. They had a big meeting where the local Sheriff was roughed-up. Andrew was arrested for rioting. There is an email list for the Gudgel family. Arleigh Birchler Musick/Porter Fan Club 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 (608)251-4437 Note: Please let me know if you got on this list by mistake. I try hard to keep from sending mail to people who don't want it. I sometimes add names to my address book, and then am not aware that they are still there. RLB >From: "Cassie" >Reply-To: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [Musick_Family] Hannah Musick, Franklin Co., KY. >Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:07:32 -0500 > >I have a will for a Charles Holloway, Jan 17, 1803, Franklin Co., KY. >Names wife Hannah >Mentions children but does not name them. >Brother George Holloway in VA. >Exr. Jesse Vawter, Richard Shipp. >Witnesses. John Graves, Hannah Musick, John Bell. > >Any one know who Hannah Musick was? > >Thanks >Cassie > > From: "Jennette A. Gudgel" To: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" , Subject: Re: GUDGEL's in Sherman, Texas Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:05:57 -0500 I echo the same sense of thinking we were the only Gudgels...... Yes, I knew that my grandfather came from Indiana, and I knew about his brothers. I even went to the Gudgel gathering thinking I was the only one from our "line". Then, low and behold, we had name tages indicating our ancestry...........(Juanita used fruit = designs)..... I couldn't believe it..........at least half the group were pears--just = like me. When I thought about it, it wasn't so surprising--considering=20 my grandfathr grew up 20 miles from our gathering spot! -jennette Gudgel From: "arleigh birchler" To: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Musick_Family] Names and Language Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:56:10 -0500 Cassie; I'm sitting in the MultiCultural Center computer lab. It is a block from my home, but this is my first night volunteering to keep it open. I don't have to do anything but sit here and type. I read a message a moment ago from a person in the Franconia Township, Pennsylvania, Mennonite community. In that line, my ancestor was Andrew Gudgel. I've read often that his father was Frederick Gotschall. The new message says they were brothers. But what was more interesting, to me, was that the person writing it says that folks there are still named Gotschall, but it is pronounced Gudgel. Arleigh Birchler Musick/Porter Fan Club 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 (608)251-4437 >From: "Cassie" >Reply-To: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Musick_Family] Names and Language >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:37:58 -0500 > >I think in some cases the reason we do not find who we are looking for in >printed records, is because in copying the record from the original a >mistake was made. Old records can be hard to read. Musick sometimes comes >out Missick or Messick or Melsik.or in some case Muses > >I am sitting here watching Claudette on the weather channel.. My son went >to the store and stocked up on batteries for flash lights and radio. Food >that does not have to be cooked or refrigerated and bottled water. >I have a feeling that this summer is going to be a very active storm >season. > >Cheers >Cassie > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:36:49 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: arleigh birchler CC: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com, gudgel-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Musick_Family] Names and Language Most interesting information. Can we find out more and what the information is based on? We know that Frederick Gotshall DID have a son named Andrew but that doesn't mean Fred couldn't have a brother named Andrew too. But the age difference is VERY great between Fred and Old Andrew if you will notice. But Old Andrew could have been Fred's nephew. That still leaves the mysterious Daniel Gudgel out there somewhere with no family limb to firmly attach to. Was he a son or nephew or cousin of Old Andrew? Give us the data, please, someone. We've been holding our breath too long on this one, well some of us have. Hasn't anyone traced Daniel's kids to today's generation to see what they know? Good word Arleigh. Tell us more please. Dianne Gudgel-Holmes arleigh birchler wrote: > Cassie; > > I'm sitting in the MultiCultural Center computer lab. It is a block > from my home, but this is my first night volunteering to keep it > open. I don't have to do anything but sit here and type. > > I read a message a moment ago from a person in the Franconia Township, > Pennsylvania, Mennonite community. In that line, my ancestor was > Andrew Gudgel. I've read often that his father was Frederick > Gotschall. The new message says they were brothers. But what was > more interesting, to me, was that the person writing it says that > folks there are still named Gotschall, but it is pronounced Gudgel. > > > > Arleigh Birchler > Musick/Porter Fan Club > 1718 Fisher St #2 > Madison WI 53713 > (608)251-4437 > > Note: Please let me know if you got on this list by mistake. I try > hard to keep from sending mail to people who don't want it. I > sometimes add names to my address book, and then am not aware that > they are still there. RLB > > > > > >> From: "Cassie" >> Reply-To: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Musick_Family] Names and Language >> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:37:58 -0500 >> >> I think in some cases the reason we do not find who we are looking >> for in >> printed records, is because in copying the record from the original a >> mistake was made. Old records can be hard to read. Musick sometimes >> comes >> out Missick or Messick or Melsik.or in some case Muses >> >> I am sitting here watching Claudette on the weather channel.. My son >> went >> to the store and stocked up on batteries for flash lights and radio. >> Food >> that does not have to be cooked or refrigerated and bottled water. >> I have a feeling that this summer is going to be a very active storm >> season. >> >> Cheers >> Cassie >> > From: "Linda Gudgel Finnell" To: "arleigh birchler" Subject: Frederick and Andrew--Brothers? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:32:05 -0400 Arleigh- A number of years ago Henry Landis of PA sent me some information from a history of Bedminster Township (Montgomery Co.,?) PA about early mills and it mentioned GODSHALK's Mill, which was founded by Frederick and Andrew GODSHALK, and specifically said they were brothers. That is the only place I have ever seen mention of that fact. That information has sort of been kept in the back of my mind and I have always wondered if it were really so or was in fact in error since I had not found any mention of them being brothers earlier or since then. I will try and find that article to submit again to the List. I submitted it a long time ago when the List was first begun. What are we on now....4 or 5 years? I really wish we could make some progress on the early days of this family and also tie in Daniel. BTW, I'm glad to have you on board with us. Keep up the good work. Linda GUDGEL FINNELL Woodford Co., KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "arleigh birchler" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Musick_Family] Names and Language > Cassie; > > I'm sitting in the MultiCultural Center computer lab. It is a block from my > home, but this is my first night volunteering to keep it open. I don't have > to do anything but sit here and type. > > I read a message a moment ago from a person in the Franconia Township, > Pennsylvania, Mennonite community. In that line, my ancestor was Andrew > Gudgel. I've read often that his father was Frederick Gotschall. The new > message says they were brothers. But what was more interesting, to me, was > that the person writing it says that folks there are still named Gotschall, > but it is pronounced Gudgel. > > > > Arleigh Birchler > Musick/Porter Fan Club > 1718 Fisher St #2 > Madison WI 53713 > (608)251-4437 > > Note: Please let me know if you got on this list by mistake. I try hard to > keep from sending mail to people who don't want it. I sometimes add names > to my address book, and then am not aware that they are still there. RLB > > > > > > >From: "Cassie" > >Reply-To: musickfamily@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [Musick_Family] Names and Language > >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:37:58 -0500 > > > >I think in some cases the reason we do not find who we are looking for in > >printed records, is because in copying the record from the original a > >mistake was made. Old records can be hard to read. Musick sometimes comes > >out Missick or Messick or Melsik.or in some case Muses > > > >I am sitting here watching Claudette on the weather channel.. My son went > >to the store and stocked up on batteries for flash lights and radio. Food > >that does not have to be cooked or refrigerated and bottled water. > >I have a feeling that this summer is going to be a very active storm > >season. > > > >Cheers > >Cassie > > > From: aap109@webtv.net Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:49:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Frederick and Andrew--Brothers? We also have a 1735 Bucks County land grant to an Andrew Gatchell from what appears to be Wm. Penn. Old Andrew would have only been eight at the time. Therefore this land grant would have gone to anothe older Andrew. So this lends support to the theory that there were two brothers, Frederick and Andrew. And that one brother, Frederick, probably named his son (our Old Andrew) after the other brother (Andrew of the 1735 land grant). The question is whatever happened to the 1735 land grant Andrew? So as Linda said- the search continues. Ardath Potts Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:13:14 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: aap109@webtv.net Subject: Re: Frederick and Andrew--Brothers? Yes, as I recall we've had this discussion before about the fact that Old Andrew would only have been a child when this land grant was made in 1735. Does anyone have the ability to research the grant and how it came to be that the Penn Brothers gave it to this Andrew Gatchell? Is there any other documents that such recipients would have had to fill out before the Penns gave the land? Perhaps in Europe people made application to get land before even arriving here?? Dianne Gudgel-Holmes aap109@webtv.net wrote: >We also have a 1735 Bucks County land grant to an Andrew Gatchell from >what appears to be Wm. Penn. Old Andrew would have only been eight at >the time. Therefore this land grant would have gone to anothe older >Andrew. So this lends support to the theory that there were two >brothers, Frederick and Andrew. And that one brother, Frederick, >probably named his son (our Old Andrew) after the other brother (Andrew >of the 1735 land grant). The question is whatever happened to the 1735 >land grant Andrew? > >So as Linda said- the search continues. > >Ardath Potts > > > > > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:23:31 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: Gudgel List CC: arleigh birchler Subject: photos section for the reunion? Dear Cousins, Just a suggestion that at our next reunion that I am so glad Linda is considering holding, that we include a section of old photos. I know the Gudgel website is the best place to list them so we can all see, but some of you may not be able to scan your old ones. Anyway, my dad just sent me some very old tintypes found in Thomas Jefferson Gudgel's family bible that was passed on to Thomas Wiley Gudgel .This is from Old Andrew's son, William's line and may have been taken any time after 1866. The photos are of babies and older people and are not identifiable. This is another reason we should all be concerned about captioning our photos and making a master photocopy index of them. That is the best thing you can do before you depart this world for your family history contribution. I intend to get them into some form that can be put into a section of the Gudgel website for all to see and try to ID, but I'd also like to bring copies to the reunion and have others bring their oldest photos and maybe unidentifiable ones. Linda, didn't you say you were invited to a deceased relative's attic where there were tons of old photos, all uncaptioned? What about photos from Jim Pope? Other ideas folks (aside from preserving them properly--not in those static type contact sheet albums). Dianne Gudgel-Holmes From: "arleigh birchler" To: joela@mhep.org Cc: gudgel-list@eskimo.com, musickfamily@yahoogroups.com Subject: Andrew and Frederick Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:06:04 -0500 Gudgel's and Musick's; I usually don't reveal anyone's email address, unless they give permission, or unless I suffer from one of my frequent lapses... I believe, however, that Mr Alderfer, in his official capacity, would welcome contacts from descendents of Frederick Gottschall or Andrew Gudgel, so I am attaching his message to me. Thanks for the responses to my other message. ************************************************ Dear Arleigh, I have come across this Andrew Gottschall (Gudgel) in at least one local history source (The History of Bedminster Township, Bucks Co (1976). He owned land in and had a mill in Bedminster Township at least in the 1740s. It doesn't appear that he ever lived in Franconia Township, however. Andrew was a brother (according to one source) to a Frederick Gottschall who owned land and lived in Franconia Township by 1730. Frederick died in about 1748, and had at least one daughter who married Christian Allebach Jr., of Lower Salford. I know just about where Frederick lived, along the present Cowpath Rd., just outside of Souderton. I can understand how the name Gottschall, or Godshalk, might be anglicized to "Gudgel". That is basically how the name was and is still pronounced around here. If you want, I can photocopy the 2 or 3 published sources I have here that refer to these brothers (Andrew and Frederick), and mail them to you. Search fee: $15.00, plus photocopies. Sincerely, Joel D. Alderfer Librarian/curator Mennonite Heritage Center Box 82, 565 Yoder Rd. Harleysville, PA 19438 215-256-3020; Fax: 215-256-3023 joela@mhep.org Arleigh Birchler Musick/Porter Fan Club 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 (608)251-4437 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:15:16 -0800 From: Dianne Holmes To: arleigh birchler CC: joela@mhep.org, gudgel-list@eskimo.com, musickfamily@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Andrew and Frederick Boy it sounds like we need to do more research in this facility. Anyone care to take a trip there or has someone already done that? Does this information mean Gudgel was a Mennonite or that they just happen to have all these other records. I'd love to find evidence of whether Gudgel was indeed Mennonite or Quaker. I think others have found Gudgel in the Quaker records, right? Dianne g-H arleigh birchler wrote: > Gudgel's and Musick's; > > I usually don't reveal anyone's email address, unless they give > permission, or unless I suffer from one of my frequent lapses... > > I believe, however, that Mr Alderfer, in his official capacity, would > welcome contacts from descendents of Frederick Gottschall or Andrew > Gudgel, so I am attaching his message to me. Thanks for the responses > to my other message. > > ************************************************ > > Dear Arleigh, > > I have come across this Andrew Gottschall (Gudgel) in at least one > local history > source (The History of Bedminster Township, Bucks Co (1976). He owned > land in > and had a mill in Bedminster Township at least in the 1740s. It > doesn't appear > that he ever lived in Franconia Township, however. Andrew was a brother > (according to one source) to a Frederick Gottschall who owned land and > lived in > Franconia Township by 1730. Frederick died in about 1748, and had at > least one > daughter who married Christian Allebach Jr., of Lower Salford. I know > just > about where Frederick lived, along the present Cowpath Rd., just > outside of > Souderton. > > I can understand how the name Gottschall, or Godshalk, might be > anglicized to > "Gudgel". That is basically how the name was and is still pronounced > around > here. > > If you want, I can photocopy the 2 or 3 published sources I have here > that refer > to these brothers (Andrew and Frederick), and mail them to you. > Search fee: > $15.00, plus photocopies. > > Sincerely, > Joel D. Alderfer > Librarian/curator > Mennonite Heritage Center > Box 82, 565 Yoder Rd. > Harleysville, PA 19438 > 215-256-3020; Fax: 215-256-3023 > joela@mhep.org > > > > > Arleigh Birchler > Musick/Porter Fan Club > 1718 Fisher St #2 > Madison WI 53713 > (608)251-4437 > From: "arleigh birchler" To: dianeh@corecom.net Cc: alderferjoel@mhep.org, gudgel-list@eskimo.com, musickfamily@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mennonite Heritage Center Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:27:39 -0500 Diane et al; ****************************** Diane wrote: Arleigh, I relied to "all" yesterday in my message including Joel Aldefer, but his message bounded. I see that you posted a direct link so it should not have bounced. Any ideas? I used joela@mhep.org Dianne Gudgel-Holmes ****************************** Try this address: alderferjoel@mhep.org Joel D. Alderfer Librarian/curator Mennonite Heritage Center Box 82, 565 Yoder Rd. Harleysville, PA 19438 215-256-3020; Fax: 215-256-3023 Arleigh Birchler Musick/Porter Fan Club 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 (608)251-4437 From: "arleigh birchler" To: dianeh@corecom.net Cc: alderferjoel@mhep.org, gudgel-list@eskimo.com, musickfamily@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Andrew and Frederick Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:35:51 -0500 Diane; In my family we have always listed Andrew Gudgel as a Mennonite farmer from Franconia Township, Pennsylvania. I have no idea how accurate this is. There is a descendent of Nancy Gudgel, my ancestor's half-sister, on your Gudgel distribution list. She had a lot of information about Andrew and his wives. I have heard a few places that Andrew is the son of Frederick Gotschall, and that they were both born in the Palatine. Again, I have no idea how accurate it is. My family said that Andrew was a Revolutionary War soldier. Since then I have seen many that say that he was not. Arleigh Birchler Musick/Porter Fan Club 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 (608)251-4437 Note: Please let me know if you got on this list by mistake. I try hard to keep from sending mail to people who don't want it. I sometimes add names to my address book, and then am not aware that they are still there. RLB >From: Dianne Holmes >To: arleigh birchler >CC: joela@mhep.org, gudgel-list@eskimo.com, musickfamily@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Andrew and Frederick >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:15:16 -0800 > >Boy it sounds like we need to do more research in this facility. Anyone >care to take a trip there or has someone already done that? Does this >information mean Gudgel was a Mennonite or that they just happen to have >all these other records. I'd love to find evidence of whether Gudgel was >indeed Mennonite or Quaker. I think others have found Gudgel in the Quaker >records, right? >Dianne g-H > >arleigh birchler wrote: > >>Gudgel's and Musick's; >> >>I usually don't reveal anyone's email address, unless they give >>permission, or unless I suffer from one of my frequent lapses... >> >>I believe, however, that Mr Alderfer, in his official capacity, would >>welcome contacts from descendents of Frederick Gottschall or Andrew >>Gudgel, so I am attaching his message to me. Thanks for the responses to >>my other message. >> >>************************************************ >> >>Dear Arleigh, >> >>I have come across this Andrew Gottschall (Gudgel) in at least one local >>history >>source (The History of Bedminster Township, Bucks Co (1976). He owned >>land in >>and had a mill in Bedminster Township at least in the 1740s. It doesn't >>appear >>that he ever lived in Franconia Township, however. Andrew was a brother >>(according to one source) to a Frederick Gottschall who owned land and >>lived in >>Franconia Township by 1730. Frederick died in about 1748, and had at >>least one >>daughter who married Christian Allebach Jr., of Lower Salford. I know >>just >>about where Frederick lived, along the present Cowpath Rd., just outside >>of >>Souderton. >> >>I can understand how the name Gottschall, or Godshalk, might be anglicized >>to >>"Gudgel". That is basically how the name was and is still pronounced >>around >>here. >> >>If you want, I can photocopy the 2 or 3 published sources I have here that >>refer >>to these brothers (Andrew and Frederick), and mail them to you. Search >>fee: >>$15.00, plus photocopies. >> >>Sincerely, >>Joel D. Alderfer >>Librarian/curator >>Mennonite Heritage Center >>Box 82, 565 Yoder Rd. >>Harleysville, PA 19438 >>215-256-3020; Fax: 215-256-3023 >>joela@mhep.org >> >> >> >> >>Arleigh Birchler >>Musick/Porter Fan Club >>1718 Fisher St #2 >>Madison WI 53713 >>(608)251-4437 >>