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The listserv has been very quite lately (or perhaps I somehow got bumped
off).  If this reaches anyone, could you please let me know whether there's
any news?  Thanks much,  Lisa

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I got it.

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>The listserv has been very quite lately (or perhaps I somehow got bumped
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Its been humming to itself perhaps!

Ron Hill

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My expensive microphone system is still being repaired more than two months 
after it developed a defect.

I am developing computer programs to print out maps with direction finding 
information.

The maps that have been printed out so far show only two major sources of 
hum in the form of industrial plants. There are still no military sources. 
Traffic noise seems to be a distributed source of hum.

In addition a number of power plants emitting hum have been found, but 
because of insufficient measurements, the maps do not show clearly that 
direction finding leads to power plants.

Analyzing measurements takes months, but the computer programs being 
developed makes it easier in the end.

The government here has finally shown some interest in hum, and written a 
report on the hum, and asked me to proofread and correct the report.

THis hum has taken up all my spare time for months, and I am looking 
forward to finish off the research at some time.

Regards, Anders

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On Wed, 06 Nov 1996 09:37:00 CET I3683 wrote:

> From: I3683 <i3683@csc.dk>
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>> 
> In addition a number of power plants emitting hum have been found, but 
> because of insufficient measurements, the maps do not show clearly that 
> direction finding leads to power plants.

Anders

Have you carried out any measurements over underground gas pipe routes?

Cheers



Julie 



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Thanks for the update.  You mentioned that the government (here) has
finally shown some interest in the hum and has written a report.  Are you
at liberty to share with us what is contained in this report?

Lisa

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i live in the raw desert with perhaps a dozen houses within a half mile to the 
north of me.  these houses have an old systen of electric delivery via sort 
telephone poles. my street is not paved and no power lines cross within about a 
half mile where telephone poles go off to the east.  but these are low level 
power lines, put in in the 50's and not upgraded.  i have solar electricity from 
roof panels.  the only wire that crosses my property is an underground 6 strand 
phone line that connects to a trailer about 300 feet from my house.  from there 
bellwire continuse to the house, underground most of the way to connect a phone. 
 until a year ago, there was a cordless phone base set up in the trailer and i 
charged the handset at the house.  in the street there is a water main and a 
couple of years ago they put an AT&T main cable in about 8 foot deep.  to the 
south of me is open desert for miles, and about a mile away is the mission creek 
branch of the San Andreas fault line.

i heard the humm here five years ago.  when i first slept in the party built 
house i would turn the inveter off at night so no electric things could work.  i 
would wake thinking a refrigerator was running.  a check proved the inverter was 
off and nothing in the house was running.  

today i do not hear the humm so much because i have ordinary house noises.  
also, my laptop computer fan makes a similar steady white noise that i ofter 
think is the humm, but it turns off.

when i heard the humm most, i was sleeping outside, and it seemed to be 
underground and all over.  i believe the source is connected with the fault 
line.  i now know that tiny side faults go all over the open desert and under my 
land, traceable from the air.  i also see, very occasionally odd flashes of 
light that were centered around the fault 'glitch' under my land, which was 
where i slept outside before i moved into the house.

perhaps other sites of the humm are near faulting-i know that Sante Fe is.  
perhaps some vibrations are carried in bands of rock like on wires?

patricia weissleader at LIZARDHAVEN RANCH 
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lizardha@sprynet.com wrote:
.  i now know that tiny side faults go all over the open desert and under 
my
> land, traceable from the air.  i also see, very occasionally odd flashes of
> light that were centered around the fault 'glitch' under my land, which was
> where i slept outside before i moved into the house.
> 
> perhaps other sites of the humm are near faulting-i know that Sante Fe is.
> perhaps some vibrations are carried in bands of rock like on wires?
> 
> patricia weissleader at LIZARDHAVEN RANCH
>     "where truth is never subject to the democratic process"
>                     lizardha@sprynet.com

Houston is below sea level, very few fault lines, swampy,  etc.  Hum is 
humming here full speed.  Loud lately.  Your theory does not address why 
the hum turns on and off at different times.

Joni Webb

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it isn't much of a theory-just some facts that may be associated.  the faulting 
does stop water from moving underground-i sit on a thermal aquifer.  perhaps 
water under the ground can transmit sound-i read recently that it is supposed to 
do it better than air-and what ever the source of the hum is transmitted for a 
distance.  i can't say why it turns on and off=unless it is machinery.  the 
closest thing i have heard to the hum above ground, is when a neighbor a half 
mile away started using some heavy duty welding wquipment at night.  it was hard 
at first to trace the source, and all the dogs in the neighborhood were going 
nuts.  it was more aggressive and intense than the ground humm, but still not 
very audible.  yet when it turned off you felt a great release.  the night 
welding was stopped because of too many neighborhood complaints-it violated the 
civil noise curfew.  and i am sure some of the sound came through the earth -it 
affected your whole body, not just your ears like loud music would.

patricia weissleader at LIZARDHAVEN RANCH 
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To the Taos hum experienced,

    I live in a home in the northern part of the city of San Diego, CA. 
I first noticed an uninterrupted hum in the early spring of 1991. 
This sound was only heard (at first) at night in my bedroom. My first 
thought was that it was a gasoline powered generator a couple of 
houses away. I thought some people may be living in a mobile trailer on 
the other side of the house next door. It is not a consistent tone, 
but rather jumps back and forth from a low tone to a slightly higher tone, 
however, is predominately at the lower tone, much like a generator or 
compressor switching on and off (idle). It became so loud, that 
several times at night, I walked outside my bedroom at night, yet could 
not determine the source. A friend that lived with me could not hear 
any noise what so ever. At first, I thought it may be the old 
refrigerator (motor) in the kitchen. But the refrigerator was replaced 
and the hum continued. Next, I thought it was a bedroom electric 
clock, after unplugging the clock, that was not the source. I then assumed 
that it was from the power line that joined the house near the bedroom. 
However, some time later, the power went out in the neighborhood and the 
hum continued. Although somewhat disturbed by this, I knew the source 
of the hum was not electrical in nature and did not originate from any of 
the adjacent homes. 
   During the spring and summer months, I run a fan in the bedroom and 
had forgotten about the hum until the fall of this year, when temperatures 
dropped and I stopped running the fan at night. The past several nights, 
I have noticed the hum again, although not as loud as before. I am  going 
to observe weather conditions such as barometric pressure, wind direction 
and humidity to find any correlation if the hum increases in intensity.
    Incidentally, when I took a physical examination for the Air Force 
several years ago, they commented that I had the most sensitive 
hearing they had recorded, perhaps this is of some value. 
   Please feel free to write back with any comments or observations 
at jsavary@imnr.com
Jay Savary
The Immune Response Corp.
(619)431-7080

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Jay Savary wrote:
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> To the Taos hum experienced,
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Dear Jay:

How interesting!  I always chuckle when a newbie shows up and gives his 
history.  It is always the same story. One runs around the house checking 
appliances (the refrigerator always seems to be first).  One runs around 
the neighborhood, checks with neighbors, no one else hears it.  I'm 
surprised you didn't make it to the otolaryngologist!  One turns off the 
electricity.  One turns off the gas.  Do we all agree that this is the 
chain of events for a new hearer?  Too bad we can't produce a FAQ - hand 
it out to new people.   It would save a lot of worry, aggrevation, 
useless "fact-finding."  It's truly pathetic what we go through.  But 
this post brings out an important point to me - how alike we all are in 
this one respect.  I dare to venture we are a disparate group socially, 
economically and intellectually,  But truly one on this subject.  I 
suppose cancer survivors feels something of a kinship like this.
I agree totally with the summer correlation.  My hum in Houston was gone 
all summer, and like clockwork, in fall it is back.  I know it is not the 
ceiling fan, because we still use our fan here in Houston (it is 80 
degrees today) and the hum is still there.  You think it is louder in the 
bedroom but that is probably the only time when you are still and quiet 
and can really pick up on the hum.  I find when I don't hear it and I 
want to check if it is gone, I go in a quiet dark closet, close the door 
and just listen.  If it's there, it's there.  So, maybe your comments 
about barometric pressure is valid.  Perhaps it has to do with the 
alignment of the sun and earth, the changing of the season.  Who knows.  
Who out there agrees we will probably never know?  Let's get a report of 
the hum out in the world on Nov. 15!!!  It is loud today and has been all 
day.  Except, now that I know I am not alone in hearing it, it doesn't 
frighten me anymore.  In fact it is quite comforting at times in a weird 
way.  This summer I thought I had lost the ability to preceive the hum.  
Boy was I wrong!  Another comment:  newbies should post how they heard 
about this newsgroup. What led you here?  Maybe we should advertise on 
the web or something.  It took me months to find it.  I found it after 
searching under Taos hum.  In fact, I'm going to do an AltaVista search 
now under "hum" and see if we show up.

Happy Humming and Happy Turkey Day to you all.  You have been a source of 
comfort and kinship to me in a way I could never fully explain to anyone 
else except to all of you who I feel understand what I mean.  Thank you 
and take care.
Joni Webb

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At 10:02 AM 11/15/96 +700, taoshum-l@eskimo.com wrote:
>To the Taos hum experienced,
>
>    I live in a home in the northern part of the city of San Diego, CA. 
>I first noticed an uninterrupted hum in the early spring of 1991. 

Hi, Jay,

I was in San Diego for a weekend in mid-September, and don't remember
hearing the hum there, however, I have to admit that it has become such an
ever-present part of my life I have developed a partial ability to tune it
out unless it is really annoying. 

However, all the sounds you described and the steps that you went through to
find the sound are typical of what we all have gone through, and there is no
doubt in my mind that you are hearing the real thing.

>It is not a consistent tone, 
>but rather jumps back and forth from a low tone to a slightly higher tone, 
>however, is predominately at the lower tone, much like a generator or 
>compressor switching on and off (idle). 

I have noticed this as well, with waffling back and forth of intensity or
pitch during constant sound, as well as stops and starts of the sound
itself.  Earlier this year, between mid-May and mid-September, give or take,
the hum was extremely erratic, and actually quite creative in its
presentation, perhaps more so in mid-June and into July.  For the last
several weeks, however, it has assumed a droning character and is quite a
dominant sound, seeming to change very little. There is very little of the
"rumble component" (Lennart's hum) present right now. It is now almost as
prominent outside as it is inside.

>   During the spring and summer months, I run a fan in the bedroom and 
>had forgotten about the hum until the fall of this year, when temperatures 
>dropped and I stopped running the fan at night. The past several nights, 
>I have noticed the hum again, although not as loud as before. I am  going 
>to observe weather conditions such as barometric pressure, wind direction 
>and humidity to find any correlation if the hum increases in intensity.

Please be sure and share any findings with the list.  There simply has to be
a reason for the fluctuations that are present in an otherwise constant
sound.  Even if it is "infranoise" or whatever it is that Anders suggests,
there have to be factors which influence its reception in one place and not
another as well as the day to day, hour to hour fluctuations in the sound
reception.

>    Incidentally, when I took a physical examination for the Air Force 
>several years ago, they commented that I had the most sensitive 
>hearing they had recorded, perhaps this is of some value. 

At one point in my past during an audiogram, I had a similar experience,
long before I ever knew there was a hum.  I was hearing low frequencies that
seemed to surprise the audiologist, and as she kept reducing the frequency,
I could no longer hear it, but could tell when it started and stopped.  It
was almost like I "felt" the sound. 

Thank you for sharing your experiences.



Judy K
El Dorado, CA   
38.663N-120.872W
judycole@spider.lloyd.com

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It would be valuable if humhearers would publish their audiograms here. The 
area 0-160 Hz is of interest. 

An audiogram would consist of a table. The first coloumn would be the 
frequencies measured. The second coloumn would be the hearing threshold in 
dB above 20 microPascal. It should be stated whether headphones were used 
or other equipment. Headphones have a lower frequency around 20 Hz, and are 
generally not suitable for measuring the low frequency hearing threshold.

Regards Anders

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I have measured for hum above a gas pipeline buried in the ground. I didnt 
find any hum from the gas pipeline. There was however hum which was later 
located to a heating plant for something like a shopping mall. The heating 
plant was a few streets away.

Regards, Anders

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There have been some TV-transmissions about the hum-problem here.

A new transmission is about to be done. A TV crew visited me, made an 
interview and filmed how I made direction findings. The TV crew is now 
apparently trying to get comments from sources closer to the government.

Regards, Anders

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The preliminary government report on hum here contains recommendations on 
how to measure for hum. The recommendations are not very clever, unless the 
purpose is to whitewash the hum affair.

The defense minister recently said that it was easy to find the sources of 
the hum with direction finding. But people from the ministry of pollution 
recently said that it is difficult, and they will resist all attempts to 
locate hum sources.

Rephrased somewhat, the policy of the ministry of pollution is this:
The ministry of pollution says that less than 5% of the population can hear 
the hum, and nothing will be done to reduce the problem. Instead the 
ministry has a table showing what levels of hum people are supposed to 
hear. If people can hear hum at lower levels than decreed by the 
government, it is their problem, not the problem of the government.

It gives however some hope that the government has asked for comments on 
the preliminary report.


Regards, Anders

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Anders wrote:

> The preliminary government report on hum here contains recommendations on 
> how to measure for hum. The recommendations are not very clever, unless the 
> purpose is to whitewash the hum affair.

This sounds very similar to the report done in the UK, where the Department of the Environment let a contract to a very low key 
research centre rather than to some more prestigious university centres who bid for it.  The report was a whitewash, basing its 
results on very small samples, and using these results to establish procedures for dealing with hum complaints to local 
Environmental Health Officers.  Reading between the lines the general advice to EHOs was to be sympathetic but generally to 
convince the complainant that it was a hearing problem!!

> Rephrased somewhat, the policy of the ministry of pollution is this:
> The ministry of pollution says that less than 5% of the population can hear 
> the hum, and nothing will be done to reduce the problem. Instead the 
> ministry has a table showing what levels of hum people are supposed to 
> hear. If people can hear hum at lower levels than decreed by the 
> government, it is their problem, not the problem of the government.

Strange isn't it, when, for example, BSE infected beef products were thought to be the cause of just a handful of CJD cases in the 
UK, all hell breaks out and beef is banned etc., yet when a considerable number of people are suffering from the hum, 
governments don't seem to want to do anything - makes you think that governments really are unable to find anyone skilled enough 
to use the hum finding equipment, or they know what it is but the repercussions of revealing this are too serious to contemplate.
 
> It gives however some hope that the government has asked for comments on 
> the preliminary report.

DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH.


Julie Parsons




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---------- Forwarded message ----------
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On Wed, 30 Oct 1996 NaomiHall@aol.com wrote:

> I have been in touch with the UK "Low Frequency Sufferers"
> and their correspondence have been interesting.  Would you like me to send
> you copies of thieir ideas, maps, and the equipment designed to "record/pick
> up" the sound.

Hi Naomi!  Sorry about the delay in answering, I'm 4 weeks behind on
massive email inbox.  Anything you can send from LFNSA would be greatly
appreciated.  I don't think that anyone on the Taoshum-L group is working
with them.  Also, are you interested in this email-list discussion?  Their
past conversations are available on the Taos Hum page.  Don't worry about
getting email overload if you join, since traffic on this group is very
low.

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Just so you know, there has been a great deal of hum activity around
here, at least one per month, sometimes once a week. Lots of activity
about the time Clinton got antsy about the Iraq situation.

Pat

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An article on our hum appeared in a major newspaper during the weekend. It 
dealt with the preliminary government report, and the critism it had 
harvested. I think the journalist had read my comment to the report. He had 
interviewed a man from the Ministry of Pollution, and an internationally 
known researcher of lowfrequency noise.


Slightly rephrased, the article said:

The man from the ministry said that the hum hearers apparently were 
abnormally sensitive to low frequency industrial noise. That the government 
had no intention of helping these people or reduce the problem, but that 
the report contained guidelines for responding to complaints over hum.  
Nothing was done for the hum sufferers before, so now one could continue to 
do nothing, but now one would follow some rules, so that hum suffers would 
be treated equal, and so that the industry had some protection from 
complaints. Hum sufferers would have to move away or find som other private 
solution.


The researcher said that it was stupid not to do some basic research into 
the problem. The research would cost something, but little compared to 
possible future expenses to correct for the problems caused by lack of 
knowledge.

Regards, Anders

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I found a new hum source during the weekend. A huge refuse burning plant, 
where household garbage from thousands of homes were burnt to ashes around 
the clock. The air around the plant was vibrating from the hum, so that 
even I could faintly hear it. The sound apparently was emitted from one 
huge smokestack.

Regards Anders

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I visited a lady complaining of hum. It sounded like a motorboat was 
sailing around in her apartment. It was one of the rare cases where the hum 
was in the immediate surroundings, and one of the cases where I could 
faintly hear the hum.

She was living in an apartment on the third floor. A bakery on the ground 
floor had bolted a steel chimney to her outer wall, probably illegally. 
They had then connected a powerfull fan and a natural gas burner to the 
chimney. The construction was rather stupid from a hum viewpoint and the 
chimney was gently shaking the whole building as it vibrated. 

There was one of the highest levels of hum on record in that apartment. The 
old lady was rather deaf, so she hadnt committed suicide yet. She got a lot 
of healthy exercise, because she couldnt stand to stay at home. So most of 
the day she was walking the streets a good distance from the bakery. This 
is pretty good for a lady aged around 70. 

Regards, Anders

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On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 Anders wrote:

> An article on our hum appeared in a major newspaper during the weekend.
> Slightly rephrased, the article said:
> 
> The man from the ministry said that the hum hearers apparently were 
> abnormally sensitive to low frequency industrial noise. That the government 
> had no intention of helping these people or reduce the problem, but that 
> the report contained guidelines for responding to complaints over hum.  
> Nothing was done for the hum sufferers before, so now one could continue to 
> do nothing, but now one would follow some rules, so that hum suffers would 
> be treated equal, and so that the industry had some protection from 
> complaints. Hum sufferers would have to move away or find som other private 
> solution.

I think most hum sufferers eventually guess or have it proved by tests that their hearing extends further into the lower 
frequencies than is considered normal.  However, governments themselves are involved in the setting up of these normal 
standards, particularly where noise is concerned, an area where measurements are still carried out in decibels, which is 
irrelevant to low frequency hums.  The environmental health departments in the UK (and I suspect in most countries) do not 
have the equipment or the expertise (or indeed the time, due to lack of funding) to carry out meaningful tests for the existence 
of the hum, so they follow the line that if the individual health officer cant  physically hear it, it doesnt exist or the person 
hearing it is abnormal. 

Low frequency noise behaves in very strange ways and it is difficult to detect sources, but with todays technology surely it 
shouldnt be impossible.  It seems that it suits governments to retain the present normal ranges of acceptable noise since 
they are unwilling to spend money on researching detection equipment or introducing different normal noise standards.  

What I find difficult to understand is that although single issue pressure groups have been very effective in changing 
government policies (in the UK at least), the Low Frequency Noise Sufferers Association in the UK has been blocked at 
every occasion in its quest to get this problem onto the government agenda (presumably because there are powerful vested 
interests keeping it off the agenda!).  

This seems to be the case in other countries as well.  However, the number of hum hearers/sufferers appears to be growing 
and I suppose eventually it will become more normal to hear this noise and something will then have to be done.  In the 
meanwhile, we must all go crazy for want of a little sensible, expert research - after all, money is available to spend on 
projects which are of no direct benefit to mankind, why not on one that is?  


Julie Parsons    



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The December 1996 issue of DISCOVER Magazine features
a brief article on the accidental discovery of "subaudible"
sounds apparently generated by tornadoes. ("Breakthroughs,"
page 38.)

Al Bedard, a physicist for the U.S. National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration in Boulder, Colorado, detected
the sounds while testing extremely sensitive microphones for
an avalanche warning system.  Bedard was able to correlate
the sounds to several tornadoes spotted on radar.

Researchers had previously theorized that a tornado's vortex
expands and contract, generating subsonic pressure waves.
Bedard created a smaller vortex in a laboratory, and found that,
because of the scale differences, the sounds produced were 
audible, and "quite annoying."

Apparently the sounds are detectable at great distances:
the story includes speculation that a subsonic tornado-
detection system might have greater range than current radar.

Have there been any correlations made between the Hum and
weather conditions that might produce vortices on a smaller
scale?  As it happened, I read the magazine article  a few hours
after watching a small whirlwind carry leaves across a campus
parking lot, hence the connection.

(BTW - this is my first post to the Taos-Hum list.  I'm monitoring
the list for my mother, who has complained of the hearing a hum
for years.)

-- Robert E. Lewis
-- rlewis@brazosport.cc.tx.us

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Wind creates low frequency noise. Hum hearers here say that when there is 
wind, it masks out the hum. Generally they find low frequency wind noise 
pleasant.

Many hum sources are ventilators, furnaces or chimneys with fast airflow. 
Air turbulence in general, whether outdoors or indoors, generate hum.

Regards, Anders

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I agree in general with Anders that wind noise usually masks the T-H "sound". 
However, I believe that there may be merit in the suggestion that the low
frequency sounds generated by (tornado) vortices could - due to the ability of
such low-frequency sound to propagate over long distances - be related to the
T-H.  

There are many reports of the "like a freight train" sound of a tornado, by
those close to the event.  I would like to hear the sound generated by the
vortex models - slowed down, eg. scaled down to the frequency domain of the
real-time tornadic scale, to judge for myself if it might be similar (enough)
to the T-H, to be a direction for mors serious T-H study. 

Ray

Raymond K. Adams, Twice retired Educator/Engineer
E-mail:  RayAdams@utk.edu
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Wind creates low frequency noise. Hum hearers here say that when there is 
wind, it masks out the hum. Generally they find low frequency wind noise 
pleasant.

Many hum sources are ventilators, furnaces or chimneys with fast airflow. 
Air turbulence in general, whether outdoors or indoors, generate hum.

Regards, Anders


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I cannot tape tornadoes, because they are rare in my geographical area. But 
I can by now make WAV files of some of the hum-sources I have located. If 
there is interest for that, I could make 4 WAV files with 4 different hum 
sources.

Btw I havent seen any comments on the WAV file which I sent to Bill, and 
which is currently available at Bill's Web site. The new WAV files I could 
make would probably not be so different from that. What do you think of 
that WAV file?

Regards, Anders

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On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, I3683 wrote:

> I cannot tape tornadoes, because they are rare in my geographical area. But 
> I can by now make WAV files of some of the hum-sources I have located. If 
> there is interest for that, I could make 4 WAV files with 4 different hum 
> sources.
> 
> Btw I havent seen any comments on the WAV file which I sent to Bill, and 
> which is currently available at Bill's Web site. The new WAV files I could 
> make would probably not be so different from that. What do you think of 
> that WAV file?
> 
> Regards, Anders
> 
> 
Hello Anders,

I myself would greatly appreciate that.  I d/l your wav file from Bill's
web site and found it intriguing, but I was wondering if your next four
wav files will be as low in volume as this one.  I have tried turning up 
the volume to maximum on both my speakers and my PC audio mixer, but it
still sounds barely audible.  Is there a way of increasing further the
volume of the wav file when it is recorded?  I am not a hum hearer,
but I would very much like to at least get a good representation of what
others are hearing.

Regards,
Thomas


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>I myself would greatly appreciate that.  I d/l your wav file from Bill's
>web site and found it intriguing, but I was wondering if your next four
>wav files will be as low in volume as this one.  I have tried turning up 
>the volume to maximum on both my speakers and my PC audio mixer, but it
>still sounds barely audible.  Is there a way of increasing further the
>volume of the wav file when it is recorded?  I am not a hum hearer,
>but I would very much like to at least get a good representation of what
>others are hearing.
>
>Regards,
>Thomas


Thomas, 

The WAV files that Anders recorded consists of very low frequency noise
that is both difficult for smaller speakers to reproduce and difficult for
the human ear to fully 'appreciate'.  I'm told that the effects of low
frequency noise aren't entirely perceived through the ears, as the
vibrations affect the entire body.  

If you want to hear the WAV file better, try playing the sound through a
larger speaker.  The speaker's larger cone will be able to move a larger
volume of air and more closely approximate the audible component of the
actual hum.

Also, try quality headphones, as headphones need only vibrate the air
between themselves and your eardrum rather than an entire room.

- Eric.
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Maybe we could classify the hum types if not already defined.  I am a 
hearer - the diesel at a distance type vanished (for me, in south 
Fla.) 16 months ago.  As well it has been 24 months since I 
'experienced' the 'inside my head' short burst (perhaps 3-5 seconds) 
rumble.  However, last summer I had the wonderful experience of having 
woken up to the sound of morse code inside my head and it lasted 
nearly 20 minutes!  My code was rusty and it was barely detectable, it 
stayed with me no matter which part of the house I was in - covering 
my ears had no effect. I have since tried to reproduce (I am also an 
Engineer) without success - I used very low power for obvious reasons. 
I am new to this taoshum discussion group.-BJ

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At 02:57 PM 9/12/96 +0100, you wrote:
>I cannot tape tornadoes, because they are rare in my geographical area. But 
>I can by now make WAV files of some of the hum-sources I have located. If 
>there is interest for that, I could make 4 WAV files with 4 different hum 
>sources.
>
>Btw I havent seen any comments on the WAV file which I sent to Bill, and 
>which is currently available at Bill's Web site. The new WAV files I could 
>make would probably not be so different from that. What do you think of 
>that WAV file?
>
>Regards, Anders
>
>

I'm sorry the HUM noise is not total caused from tornadoes, because we do
not have tornadoes here in Australia... Yet I have a very well intelligently
controlled hum here.

And true to expectations I will have an increase in the HUM now I have
spoken about it.
Ho Hum :)

Here is another web site people may have some interest in :
http://www.minimitter.com/

For those new to the group: I'm heavily into alternative energy research.
I've tried to work alone on my interests but I'm being forced into the open
more and more.

Regards
G.D.Mutch
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As there have been several WAV files, I want to make certain we are talking 
abour the same one.

The latest WAV file I uploaded, and the one I am talking about, and the one 
I believe is presently on Bill's web page, is recorded at the seaside. One 
hears the sound of seagulls, and if I remember correctly an insect flying 
around. One may also hear distant dogs barking.

In this WAV file the dominating signal is a very strong low frequency noise 
that most humans cannot hear, but which has a high energy content, and 
which is very visible on an oscilloscope.

This sound comes from a far away factory producing semiconductors. The 
airflow in their machinery generates this sound. Probably because of 
turbulence in the airducts.

Some of the chimneys there may act as giant organ pipes providing a special 
type of music....

Regards Anders

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Jet airplanes create low frequency noise. So increased military activity 
could give increased hum near military air bases.

Some hum in the US could be generated by military airplanes.

Here civil airtraffic generates large amounts of low frequency noise, but 
usually you can identify the noise as aircraft noise and hear the plane 
disasppear. However the traffic is sometimes so intense that the next plane 
approaches before the previous has disappeared, and you have to wait for a 
long time before you can hear no planes.

A person sensitive to low frequency noise living near an air corridor or an 
airport with frequent traffic might have problems.

Regards Anders


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[---------8<-----Snip------ ]

>There might be two possibilities, I think, for a non-hearer to listen to
>what sounds like the Taos Hum. Record a tape in a rest area where there are
>big-rigs idling, bring it home and play it concurrently with the WAV so that
>the "diesel" sound is perceived about twice as loud as the WAV sounds.  By
>far the closest match to the complete hum that I have heard still is the
>simulation created and recorded by Sara Allen which was played a few times
>on "Sightings" and "Unsolved Mysteries" in 1995.  This hum is unmistakable,
>and I was able to identify instantly that what I was hearing sounded very
>much like Sara's Hum.  I think Sara reads this newsletter, and she and Bill
>both probably have a copy of the simulated hum she created. Perhaps Bill
>could create a WAV of Sara's hum for those who missed it on television.
>
>As far as the tornado noise is concerned, it is an interesting concept.
>However, tornadoes are basically seasonal, or at least sporadic.  How, then,
>would one account for the constancy of the hum?
>
>
>Judy K
>El Dorado, CA   
>38.663N-120.872W
>judycole@spider.lloyd.com
>


Hi Judy
        Seems you are one of the most active on this list... 

Your right about the diesel engine hum and your are right about the high pitched
singing noise that is supperimposed/modulated on the low schumann frequency.
What the high pitch noise is suppose to do is damage you nervous system.
It works one of a few ways. The most useful way is to attack the base of the
cerebral cortex where the spine meets the brain. This is the same nerve endings
the boxers and alzyhmers have damaged. This can also cause motor-neuro
disease or
lost of ability to control shaking. How this is achieved is to attack the mylin
receptors on the ends of the nerves, and cause them to fire more than necessary
thus damaging the synapse. This can only be achieve if the signal can get a
resonant
lock on your brain swith frequency. I'm slowly working on ways to generate
interference
signals to stops the synchronisation. If I use a simple modulation device to
mask
the hum I have the high pitched sing left in its place. I have to play
around with
some more variables. 

Regards
G.D.Mutch
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At 10:50 PM 12/11/96 -0500, G.D. Mutch wrote:
>
>Your right about the diesel engine hum and your are right about the high
pitched
>singing noise that is supperimposed/modulated on the low schumann frequency.
>What the high pitch noise is suppose to do is damage you nervous system.

Hmmmm...I really don't hear a "high-pitched singing noise".  The highest
frequency of the sounds I reported yesterday was the "diesel hum" which I
consider medium to low-pitched.  The rumble, of course, is really in the
basement.  

There is a high-pitched sound associated with the hum which I hear at times,
but it is only sporadic, thank goodness, and really doesn't happen very
often. It is a "silvery, shimmering" sound that is very difficult to
describe, quite distracting, and not really like anything else I have ever
heard.  If I had to put a name to it I'd have to call it a continuous
"electric fish".  I also call it the silver wire sound, as, it sort of
sounds like the scratching of a wire on a pane of glass.  I do not consider
this shimmering sound an integral part of the T.H. "signature", rather an
extraneous sound that can sometimes accompany it.  I feel it is associated
with the hum, as it never occurs by itself or when the hum is patchy, only
during episodes of full-blown and rather intense hum, and only for fairly
brief episodes (a portion of one day to days), and possibly less than ten
times a year.

I also don't believe that I have suffered (at least yet) any loss of
function, either physical or mental, from the hum.  If anything, I am coping
with it better as time goes on, and it bothered me the most during the first
two years I heard it, before I knew that it was a recognized phenomenon that
was heard by many; i.e. I think the apprehension that something terrible
might be wrong with me bothered me more than the hum did. Also, there is a
certain amount of "conditioning" over time. After you hear the hum
frequently for several months to a year or so and nothing terrible happens,
one starts to feel a little more relaxed that the occurrence of the hum does
not herald a disaster, even though it sounds like it might. I feel a little
older and am slowing down some, but then I AM a little older, so where is
the dividing line between that to be expected and that which is excessive?


Judy K
El Dorado, CA   
38.663N-120.872W
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[Snip]
>I also don't believe that I have suffered (at least yet) any loss of
>function, either physical or mental, from the hum.  If anything, I am coping
>with it better as time goes on, and it bothered me the most during the first
>two years I heard it, before I knew that it was a recognized phenomenon that
>was heard by many; i.e. I think the apprehension that something terrible
>might be wrong with me bothered me more than the hum did. Also, there is a
>certain amount of "conditioning" over time. After you hear the hum
>frequently for several months to a year or so and nothing terrible happens,
>one starts to feel a little more relaxed that the occurrence of the hum does
>not herald a disaster, even though it sounds like it might. I feel a little
>older and am slowing down some, but then I AM a little older, so where is
>the dividing line between that to be expected and that which is excessive?
>
>
>Judy K
>El Dorado, CA   
>38.663N-120.872W
>judycole@spider.lloyd.com
>

Good to see you are coping with the torment.

Yer anyway I thought I would get the group active again. I have not had bad
HUM for around 3-4 weeks so I posted an email message to the list for a simple
test. Sure enough: I got hammer again last night first time in 3-4 weeks.
So this absolutely confirms it in concrete in my mind without a doubt that
this is intelligently controlled.  But there will be sceptics out there who
say it is still natural... Their respectfully entitled to their opinion.

I'm backing it in that this HUM will now be put on some type of automatic
random mode 
where I get tormented at random times from now on. I will keep the list up
todate with
the out come of this.

It's great to see people coming out in the open about this and many earth
changing
events... This is a truly great age we are living in... The future is truly
exiting.
Even thought their is organisations out there that believe they are the only
ones
previ to the future...: this is a great shame. 

Ho Hum :) 
G.D.Mutch

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I support Pauline Hanson 100%. 
Have the guts to stand UP and say "NO!" to the current use of Bio-Telemetry.
NB. Please keep trying if you have problems with the above e-mail address.

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>>G.D.Mutch
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>>I support Pauline Hanson 100%. 
>>Have the guts to stand UP and say "NO!" to the current use of Bio-Telemetry.
>>NB. Please keep trying if you have problems with the above e-mail address.
>
Hi!

Two things:
	1. What are Pauline Hanson's views exactly? I've never gotten the
chance to actually hear what she says because our media seems to like
judging people and events and then reporting the judgement instead of
just reporting the events themselves.
	2. What do you mean by bio-telemetry?

Thanks,
Darren.


>Darren Watchers
>mailto: watchers.darren.dp@bhp.com.au
>Phone: +61 42 754178 (Work)
>Phone: +61 42 622818 (Home)
>Occams Razor: There is no need to assume the existance
>              of more things than are logically necessary
>              But Damn is it fun!
>
Note: all opinions I express may or may not be mine
or somebody elses. If you can work out which then
let me know. I'd appreciate being less confused.

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>> Anders previously wrote:
>> Btw I havent seen any comments on the WAV file which I sent to Bill, and 
>> which is currently available at Bill's Web site. <snip> What do you think of 
>> that WAV file?

At 11:33 AM 12/9/96 -0800, Thomas wrote:
>I have tried turning up 
>the volume to maximum on both my speakers and my PC audio mixer, but it
>still sounds barely audible.  Is there a way of increasing further the
>volume of the wav file when it is recorded?  I am not a hum hearer,
>but I would very much like to at least get a good representation of what
>others are hearing.

I think the low volume of the WAV file is primarily caused by the low
frequency range of the recorded sound, and the inability of some speakers to
play it.  Larry Grant has, from time to time, sent me low frequency hum
tapes to listen to, and I thought a couple of the tapes were blank, until I
put them on my best stereo, and then I could hear the hum that was on them.
Also, I noticed that with the WAV file, attempts to turn up the volume to
hear it better actually changed the character of the sound so that it no
longer sounded like part of the hum.  The best playing volume is just barely
past the threshhold between hearing and not-hearing.

Regarding the WAV file and the the Taos hum:  As a hearer, I did not respond
to early comments regarding whether the WAV file was or was not THE hum, as
I have always considered the WAV file kind of a mixed bag, and there were a
couple of things about it that bothered me.  I subsequently received a "live
recording" of the hum from Lennart in Sweden, and found this to be extremely
similar to the original WAV file, with the exception that the two places
that bothered me about the original WAV were not present in Lennart's
recording; thus I feel there could have been some mechanical distortion of
the sound in the WAV.  The two areas referred to had kind of a metallic
sound, and there is no metallic quality in the T.H.

Aside from that, for those non-hearers who wonder what the hum sounds like,
the WAV sounds very much like "one component" of the hum I hear.  I hear
basically a two-component hum.  The most prominent sound is a low frequency
hum that sounds like a GIANT refrigerator running or a parking lot full of
big rigs sitting with their engines on.  Underneath that hum is an even
lower-frequency intermittent, buffeting type of sound that I would classify
as a rumble rather than a hum, which has been variously described as the
combustive sound of a huge gas furnace, distant thunder, distant jet planes
flying overhead - this is the sound that is very much like the WAV and
Lennart's tape.  Either component of the hum can play separately, but the
humming component more frequently plays alone than the rumble.  There are
times, however, that I have heard (and felt) the rumble without the hum, and
on those days I refer to the hum as "Lennart's Hum", as it sounds, for all
the world, like the tape that Lennart sent.  Most of the time, however, the
two parts play together.

There might be two possibilities, I think, for a non-hearer to listen to
what sounds like the Taos Hum. Record a tape in a rest area where there are
big-rigs idling, bring it home and play it concurrently with the WAV so that
the "diesel" sound is perceived about twice as loud as the WAV sounds.  By
far the closest match to the complete hum that I have heard still is the
simulation created and recorded by Sara Allen which was played a few times
on "Sightings" and "Unsolved Mysteries" in 1995.  This hum is unmistakable,
and I was able to identify instantly that what I was hearing sounded very
much like Sara's Hum.  I think Sara reads this newsletter, and she and Bill
both probably have a copy of the simulated hum she created. Perhaps Bill
could create a WAV of Sara's hum for those who missed it on television.

As far as the tornado noise is concerned, it is an interesting concept.
However, tornadoes are basically seasonal, or at least sporadic.  How, then,
would one account for the constancy of the hum?


Judy K
El Dorado, CA   
38.663N-120.872W
judycole@spider.lloyd.com

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The correct address for the movie is
http://www.mistral.co.uk/patrickwilson/Cropcircle_downloads.htm

Note the missing 'l' at the end.

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What is it supposed to show? Are those white moving objects birds? Or
something else?
Was the appearing of the circle in the movie caused by the changing
angle of the camera?

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>Subject: 	Crop Circle Movie
>
>The correct address for the movie is
>http://www.mistral.co.uk/patrickwilson/Cropcircle_downloads.htm
>
>Note the missing 'l' at the end.
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Hi folks:  On the Crop Circle movie there are a couple of things to keep in
mind:

1.  Read the data accompanying the movie and note the appearance of a 'Hum,'
which preceeded the filming and seems to have woken the videographer. This
'Hum' is common in Crop Circle research and is one component of what I feel
is a link between crop circles and the 'Taos' Hum.

2.  If you approach the issue with negativism or skepticism you will of
course make little progress into these realms.  Still success in this
research cannot be achieved with blind faith. 

One must use reasoned belief, which if applied with care can allow movement
and a little direction in the swamp of the paranormal.  Rather than spending
all research time trying to find reasonable answers such as camera movement
it is more appropriate to my mind to contemplate the implications brought out
if you consider that you are viewing something which is really happening as
described, with a bit of truth struggled for by the persons involved in the
tapes' production.  Rampant skepticism is as useless as blind faith, both are
unreasoning and produce little progress.  

If you are a Hum Hearer you have undoubtedly found that trying to introduce
your perception of the Hum into an environment of either 'belief' that it
doesn't exist or 'skepticism' that it's anything but idling trucks doesn't
quite mesh with your own experience of the Hum.  It is lack of any attempt to
walk what amounts to a tight-rope between rigid belief and overwhelming
disbelief that helps keep an entire interesting realm out of sight until it
becomes intrusive like the Hum.  

Science is supposed to be the talented and careful walking of this tightrope
into what passes for reality and 'truth,' but it seems that many modern
walkers fall quickly into one belief system or another, pro or con, and soon
loose the lively curiosity about nature which frequently begins a scientific
career.  We live a carefully guided and narrow science, safe from
contemplation of the unique and varied mysteries of what we call nature even
as we apply some of these, like electricity, to change our lives and
cultures.  Still another of these fascinating unknowns taps on our doors in
the Hum and demands that we remove our blinders and see whatever it really is
rather than what some people want it to be.  Those who profit and progress by
study of the Hum will be those who can carefully balance evidence without
prejudgement.  Tricky but it can be done.

There are these days lamentably few scientists in the public eye who can walk
a tightrope, juggle and chew gum at the same time.

Pity.

Larry      LGrant44@aol.com


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The last message I received from the list was dated November 19.  I tried
to conact Bob Paddock at his published email address and the message
bounced -- "Your message was not delivered because the destination computer
was not found" .  I ordered a neurophone from Dr. Begich at Earthplus
November 14 and was advised it was back ordered ("a couple of weeks"). 
Followups to check on status are not responded to.

Hmm.  Am I missing something or is everyone on holiday?

I'll be grateful for a response from anyone!

Terry Garrett


Hello;
   I am an associate of Dr. Begich. Because of factory delays, we
received a shipment of Neurophones only Thursday. Most or all
backorders were shipped on Friday by second day FEDEX. Those with
backorders can expect their Neurophones by Tuesday or Wednesday.
Our apologies for the delay.
Regards
Jim Roderick
Earthpulse Press
http://www.xyz.net/~nohaarp/earthlight.html

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Hello,

I'm doing some research on the Taos Hum. I would like to know if the 
hum is still being heard? In what towns and cities? How many people 
does it affect? Is there someone who would be willing to talk to me 
about their experience with it?

Thank-you for your time and consideration,
Frank van Keeken

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With regard to hearing the hum.wav file, my son came to my rescue by
plugging in a set of his headphones to the audio jack in the back of most
computers.  We heard the hum sound loud and clear!  It was pretty
incredible after only being able to hear it by putting my ear almost
directly on the computer and, even then, it was barely audible.  Thank god
for 16 year olds.

===================================================================

Lisa Reisberg, Director
Division of Public Education
American Academy of Pediatrics
141 Northwest Point Blvd.
Elk Grove Village, IL  60007
Phone:  847/981-7873
FAX:  847/228-7320


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>>judycole@spider.lloyd.com said in a reply to G D Mutch:

>Yer anyway I thought I would get the group active again. I have not had bad
>HUM for around 3-4 weeks so I posted an email message to the list for a simple
>test. Sure enough: I got hammer again last night first time in 3-4 weeks.
>So this absolutely confirms it in concrete in my mind without a doubt that
>this is intelligently controlled.  But there will be sceptics out there who
>say it is still natural... Their respectfully entitled to their opinion.
>
>I'm backing it in that this HUM will now be put on some type of automatic
>random mode 
>where I get tormented at random times from now on. I will keep the list up
>todate with
>the out come of this.

It is interesting that some British medical experts have just claimed that 
tinnitus   (noises in the head/middle ear) is not a medical condition but a 
psychological one caused by the brain putting up some sort of defence 
mechanism to protect the hearing from damage by loud sounds - even though 
this is unneccesary. They claim that the condition can be cured by training. 
I am afraid that I have no further details yet though.

Regards,
Ronald Hill. 

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Hi to all on Taoshum...
This material has been sent to myself... I don't know how much of this is
real, I'm still niave that this sort of thing is really happening in the
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On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, "Mike and Laurie O'Donnell" <melvink@k2.kirtland.cc.mi.us> 
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>>From: Mike and Laurie O'Donnell <melvink@k2.kirtland.cc.mi.us>
>>Subject: [fwd: nsa covert mind control operations]
>>>
>>>**********************WESNET ADVISORY*********************
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>>>
>>>Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 01:17:32 -0800 (PST)
>>>From: vericomm@c2.net
>>>Subject: MindNet Journal - Vol. 1, No. 95
>>>
>>>================================================================
>>>     MindNet Journal - Vol. 1, No. 95
>>>================================================================
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>>>views and opinions of VERICOMM or the editors, unless otherwise 
>>>noted.
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>>>Editor's Note:
>>>
>>>The following document was presented as evidence in a lawsuit
>>>against the National Security Agency filed at the US Courthouse
>>>in Washington, DC.
>>>
>>>Also reproduced as "Covert Operations of the US National 
>>>Security Agency" in _Nexus_, April-May 1996.
>>>
>>>===============================================
>>>
>>>NSA COVERT MIND CONTROL OPERATIONS
>>>
>>>By John St Clair Akwei
>>>
>>>December 1991
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>John St Clair Akwei
>>>
>>>vs
>>>
>>>National Security Agency 
>>>Ft George G. Meade, MD, USA
>>>
>>>(Civil Action 92-0449)
>>>
>>>1. THE NSA'S MISSION AND DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE OPERATION
>>>
>>>Communications Intelligence (COMINT)
>>>
>>>Blanket coverage of all electronic communications in the US and
>>>the world to ensure national security. The NSA at Ft Meade,
>>>Maryland has had the most advanced computers in the world since
>>>the early 1960s. NSA technology is developed and implemented in
>>>secret from private corporations, academia and the general
>>>public. 
>>>
>>>Signals Intelligence (SIGINT)
>>> 
>>>The Signals Intelligence mission of the NSA has evolved into a
>>>program of decoding EMF waves in the environment for wirelessly
>>>tapping into computers and tracking persons with the electrical
>>>currents in their bodies. Signals Intelligence is based on the
>>>fact that everything in the environment with an electric current
>>>in it has magnetic flux around it which gives off EMF waves. The
>>>NSA/DoD (Department of Defense) has developed proprietary
>>>advanced digital equipment which can remotely analyze all
>>>objects whether manmade or organic, that have electrical
>>>activity. 
>>>
>>>Domestic Intelligence (DOMINT)
>>>
>>>The NSA has records on all US citizens. The NSA gathers
>>>information on US citizens who might be of interest to any of
>>>the over 50,000 NSA agents (HUMINT). These agents are authorized
>>>by executive order to spy on anyone. The NSA has a permanent
>>>national security anti-terrorist surveillance network in place.
>>>This surveillance network is completely disguised and hidden
>>>from the public.
>>> 
>>>Tracking individuals in the US is easily and cost-effectively
>>>implemented with the NSA's electronic surveillance network. 
>>>This network (DOMINT) covers the entire US, involves tens of
>>>thousands of NSA personnel, and tracks millions of persons
>>>simultaneously. Cost-effective implementation of operations is
>>>assured by NSA computer technology designed to minimize
>>>operations costs.
>>> 
>>>NSA personnel serve in quasi-public positions in their
>>>communities and run cover business and legitimate businesses
>>>that can inform the intelligence community of persons they would
>>>want to track. NSA personnel in the community usually have cover
>>>identities such as social workers, lawyers and business owners. 
>>>
>>>Individual Citizens Occasionally Targeted for Surveillance by
>>>Independently Operating NSA Personnel
>>> 
>>>NSA personnel can control the lives of hundreds of thousands of
>>>individuals by using the NSA's domestic intelligence network and
>>>cover businesses. The operations independently run by them can
>>>sometimes go beyond the bounds of law. Long-term control and
>>>sabotage of tens of thousands of unwitting citizens by NSA
>>>operatives is likely to happen. NSA DOMINT has the ability to
>>>assassinate US citizens covertly or run covert psychological
>>>control operations to cause subjects to be diagnosed with ill
>>>mental health.
>>>
>>>2. NSA'S DOMESTIC ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE NETWORK
>>>
>>>As of the early 1960s, the most advanced computers in the world
>>>were at the NSA, Ft Meade. Research breakthroughs with these
>>>computers were kept for the NSA. At the present time the NSA has
>>>nanotechnology computers that are 15 years ahead of present
>>>computer technology.
>>>
>>>The NSA obtains blanket coverage of information in the US by
>>>using advanced computers that use artificial intelligence to
>>>screen all communications, regardless of medium, for key words
>>>that should be brought to the attention of NSA
>>>agents/cryptologists. These computers monitor all communications
>>>at the transmitting and receiving ends. This blanket coverage of
>>>the US is a result of the NSA's Signals Intelligence (SIGINT)
>>>mission.
>>>
>>>The NSA's electronic surveillance network is based on a cellular
>>>arrangement of devices that can monitor the entire EMF spectrum.
>>>This equipment was developed, implemented and kept secret in the
>>>same manner as other electronic warfare programs.
>>>
>>>Signals Intelligence Remote Computer Tampering
>>>
>>>The NSA keeps track of all PCS and other computers sold in the
>>>US. This is an integral part of the Domestic Intelligence
>>>network.
>>>
>>>The NSA's EMF equipment can tune in RF emissions from personal
>>>computer circuit boards (while filtering out emissions from
>>>monitors and power supplies). The RF emission from PC circuit
>>>boards contains digital information in the PC. Coded RF waves
>>>from the NSA's equipment can resonate PC circuits and change
>>>data in the PCs. Thus the NSA can gain wireless modem-style
>>>entry into any computer in the country for surveillance or
>>>anti-terrorist electronic warfare.
>>>
>>>Detecting EMF Fields in Humans for Surveillance
>>>
>>>A subject's bioelectric field can be remotely detected, so
>>>subjects can be monitored anywhere they are. With special EMF
>>>equipment NSA cryptologists can remotely read evoked potentials
>>>(from EEGs). These can be decoded into a person's brain-states
>>>and thoughts. The subject is then perfectly monitored from a
>>>distance.
>>>
>>>NSA personnel can dial up any individual in the country on the
>>>Signals Intelligence EMF scanning network and the NSA's computers
>>>will then pinpoint and track that person 24 hours a day. The NSA
>>>can pick out and track anyone in the US.
>>>
>>>3. NSA SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE USE OF EMF BRAIN STIMULATION
>>>
>>>NSA Signals Intelligence uses EMF Brain Stimulation for Remote
>>>Neural Monitoring (RNM) and Electronic Brain Link (EBL). EMF
>>>Brain Stimulation has been in development since the MKULTRA
>>>program of the early 1950s, which included neurological research
>>>into radiation (non-ionizing EMF) and bioelectric research and
>>>development. The resulting secret technology is categorized at
>>>the National Archives as "Radiation Intelligence," defined as
>>>"information from unintentionally emanated electromagnetic waves
>>>in the environment, not including radioactivity or nuclear
>>>detonation."
>>>
>>>Signals Intelligence implemented and kept this technology secret
>>>in the same manner as other electronic warfare programs of the US
>>>government. The NSA monitors available information about this
>>>technology and withholds scientific research from the public.
>>>There are also international intelligence agreements to keep this
>>>technology secret.
>>>
>>>The NSA has proprietary electronic equipment that analyzes
>>>electrical activity in humans from a distance. NSA
>>>computer-generated brain mapping can continuously monitor all of
>>>the electrical activity in the brain continuously. The NSA records
>>>and decodes individual brain maps (of hundreds of thousands of
>>>persons) for national security purposes. EMF Brain Stimulation is
>>>also secretly used by the military for brain-to-computer link
>>>(in military fighter aircraft, for example).
>>>
>>>For electronic surveillance purposes, electrical activity in the
>>>speech center of the brain can be translated into the subject's
>>>verbal thoughts. RNM can send encoded signals to the brain's
>>>auditory cortex, thus allowing audio communications direct to
>>>the brain (bypassing the ears). NSA operatives can use this
>>>covertly to debilitate subjects by simulating auditory
>>>hallucinations characteristic of paranoid schizophrenia. Without
>>>any contact with the subject, Remote Neural Monitoring can map
>>>out electrical activity from the visual cortex of a subject's
>>>brain and show images from the subject's brain on a video
>>>monitor. NSA operatives see what the surveillance subject's eyes
>>>are seeing. Visual memory can also be seen. RNM can send images
>>>direct to the visual cortex, bypassing the eyes and optic nerves.
>>>NSA operatives can use this surreptitiously to put images into a
>>>surveillance subject's brain while they are in REM sleep for
>>>brain-programming purposes.
>>>
>>>Capabilities of NSA Operatives Using RNM
>>>
>>>There has been a Signals Intelligence network in the US since
>>>the 1940s. The NSA, Ft Meade has in place a vast two-way
>>>wireless RNM system which is used to track subjects and
>>>non-invasively monitor audiovisual information in their brains.
>>>This is all done with no physical contact with the subject. RNM
>>>is the ultimate method of surveillance and domestic
>>>intelligence. Speech, 3D sound and subliminal audio can be sent
>>>to the auditory cortex of the subject's brain (bypassing the
>>>ears), and images can be sent into the visual cortex. RNM can
>>>alter a subject's perceptions, moods and motor control.
>>>
>>>Speech cortex/auditory cortex link has become the ultimate
>>>communications system for the intelligence community. RNM allows
>>>for a complete audiovisual brain-to-brain link or
>>>brain-to-computer link.
>>>
>>>4. NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE ELECTRONIC
>>>BRAIN LINK TECHNOLOGY
>>>
>>>NSA SIGINT can remotely detect, identify and monitor a person's
>>>bioelectric fields.
>>>
>>>The NSA's Signals Intelligence has the proprietary ability to
>>>monitor remotely and non-invasively information in the human
>>>brain by digitally decoding the evoked potentials in the 30-50
>>>Hz, 5 milliwatt electromagnetic emissions from the brain.
>>>
>>>Neuronal activity in the brain creates a shifting electrical
>>>pattern that has a shifting magnetic flux. This magnetic flux
>>>puts out a constant 30-50 Hz, 5 milliwatt electromagnetic (EMF)
>>>wave. Contained in the electromagnetic emission from the brain
>>>are spikes and patterns called "evoked potentials."
>>>
>>>Every thought, reaction, motor command, auditory event and
>>>visual image in the brain has a corresponding "evoked potential"
>>>or set of "evoked potentials." The EMF emission from the brain
>>>can be decoded into the current thoughts, images and sounds in
>>>the subject's brain.
>>>
>>>NSA SIGINT uses EMF-transmitted Brain Stimulation as a
>>>communications system to transmit information (as well as 
>>>nervous system messages) to intelligence agents and also to 
>>>transmit to the brains of covert operations subjects (on a 
>>>non-perceptible level).
>>>
>>>EMF Brain Stimulation works by sending a complexly coded and
>>>pulsed electromagnetic signal to trigger evoked potentials
>>>(events) in the brain, thereby forming sound and visual images 
>>>in the brain's neural circuits. EMF Brain Stimulation can also
>>>change a person's brain-states and affect motor control.
>>>
>>>Two-way electronic Brain Link is done by remotely monitoring
>>>neural audiovisual information while transmitting sound to the
>>>auditory cortex (bypassing the ears) and transmitting faint
>>>images to the visual cortex (bypassing the optic nerves and
>>>eyes). The images appear as floating 2D screens in the brain.
>>>
>>>Two-way electronic Brain Link has become the ultimate
>>>communications system for CIA/NSA personnel. Remote neural
>>>monitoring (RNM, remotely monitoring bioelectric information in
>>>the human brain) has become the ultimate surveillance system. 
>>>It is used by a limited number of agents in the US Intelligence
>>>Community.
>>>
>>>5. [No heading in original document]
>>>
>>>RNM requires decoding the resonance frequency of each specific
>>>brain area. The frequency is then modulated in order to impose
>>>information in that specific brain area.
>>>
>>>The frequency to which the various brain areas respond varies
>>>from 3 Hz to 50 Hz. Only NSA Signals Intelligence modulates
>>>signals in this frequency band. (See Table 1.)
>>>
>>>This modulated information can be put into the brain at 
>>>varying intensities from the subliminal to perceptible.
>>>
>>>Each person's brain has a unique set of bioelectric
>>>resonance/entrainment frequencies. Sending audio information to 
>>>a person's brain at the frequency of another person's auditory
>>>cortex would result in that audio information not being
>>>perceived.
>>>
>>>The Plaintiff learned of RNM by being in two-way RNM contact 
>>>with the Kinnecome group at the NSA, Ft Meade.
>>>
>>>They used RNM 3D sound direct to the brain to harass the
>>>Plaintiff from 10/90 to 5/91.
>>>
>>>As of 5/91 they have had two-way RNM communications with the
>>>Plaintiff and have used RNM to attempt to incapacitate the
>>>Plaintiff and hinder the Plaintiff from going to authorities
>>>about their activities against the Plaintiff in the last 12
>>>years.
>>>
>>>The Kinnecome group has about 100 persons working 24 hours a day
>>>at Ft Meade. They have also brain-tapped persons the Plaintiff
>>>is in contact with to keep the Plaintiff isolated. This is the
>>>first time ever that a private citizen has been harassed with
>>>RNM and has been able to bring a lawsuit against NSA personnel
>>>misusing this intelligence operations method.
>>>
>>>6. NSA TECHNIQUES AND RESOURCES
>>>
>>>Remote monitoring/tracking of individuals in any location, 
>>>inside any building, continuously, anywhere in the country.
>>>
>>>A system for inexpensive implementation of these operations
>>>allows for thousands of persons in every community to be spied
>>>on constantly by the NSA.
>>>
>>>Remote RNM Devices
>>>
>>>NSA's RNM equipment remotely reads the evoked potentials (EEGs)
>>>of the human brain for tracking individuals, and can send
>>>messages through the nervous systems to affect their
>>>performance.
>>>
>>>RNM can electronically identify individuals and track them
>>>anywhere in the US. This equipment is on a network and is used
>>>for domestic intelligence operations, government security and
>>>military base security, and in case of bioelectric warfare.
>>>
>>>Spotters and Walk-Bys in Metropolitan Areas
>>>
>>>Tens of thousands of persons in each area working as spotters and
>>>neighborhood/business spies (sometimes unwittingly) following and
>>>checking on subjects who have been identified for covert control
>>>by NSA personnel.
>>>
>>>Agents working out of offices can be in constant communication
>>>with spotters who are keeping track of the NSA's thousands of
>>>subjects in public.
>>>
>>>NSA agents in remote offices can instantly identify (using RNM)
>>>any individual spotted in public who is in contact with
>>>surveillance subject.
>>>
>>>Chemicals and Drugs into Residential Buildings with Hidden NSA
>>>Installed and Maintained Plastic Plumbing Lines
>>>
>>>The NSA has kits for running lines into residential tap water 
>>>and air ducts of subjects for delivery of drugs (such as 
>>>sleeping gas or brainwashing-aiding drugs). This is an 
>>>outgrowth of CIA pharmapsychology (psychopharmacology).
>>>
>>>Brief Overview of Proprietary US Intelligence/Anti-Terrorist
>>>Equipment Mentioned
>>>
>>>Fixed network of special EMF equipment that can read EEGs in
>>>human brains and identify/track individuals by using digital
>>>computers. ESB (Electrical Stimulation of the Brain) via EMF
>>>signal from the NSA Signals Intelligence is used to control
>>>subjects.
>>>
>>>EMF equipment that gathers information from PC circuit boards 
>>>by deciphering RF emissions, thereby gaining wireless 
>>>modem-style entry into any personal computer in the country.
>>>
>>>All equipment hidden, all technology secret, all scientific
>>>research unreported (as in electronic warfare research).
>>>
>>>Not known to the public at all, yet complete and thorough
>>>implementation of this method of domestic intelligence has been
>>>in place since the early 1980s.
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>TABLE 1: An example of EMF Brain Stimulation
>>>
>>>Brain Area            Bioelectric   Information Induced
>>>                      Resonance     Through Modulation
>>>                      Frequency
>>>
>>>Motor Control Cortex  10 Hz         Motor impulse 
>>>                                    coordination
>>>
>>>Auditory Cortex       15 Hz         Sound which bypasses
>>>                                    the ears
>>>
>>>Visual Cortex         25 Hz         Images in the brain
>>>                                    bypassing the eyes
>>>
>>>Somatosensory         9 Hz          Phantom touch sense
>>>
>>>Thought Center        20 Hz         Imposed subconscious
>>>                                    thoughts
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>RESOURCES
>>>
>>>These publications have only been discovered since December
>>>1991, after Plaintiff had already notified authorities (Dept. of
>>>Justice, etc.) of the Public Corruption by named NSA employees.
>>>When no action was taken against the NSA employees, I researched
>>>the Intelligence Community electric surveillance technology
>>>involved and discovered the following publications.
>>>
>>>_The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life_,
>>>by Robert Becker, M.D. Monitoring neuroelectric information in
>>>the brain; EM waves; ESB (pp.265, 313, 318).
>>>
>>>_Cross Currents_, by Robert Becker. Simulating auditory
>>>hallucinations (pp.70, 78, 105, 210, 216, 220, 242, 299, 303).
>>>Remote computer tampering using the RF emissions from the logic
>>>board (p.174).
>>>
>>>_Currents of Death_, by Paul Brodeur. Driving brain electrical
>>>activity with external EM; magnetophosphenes; Delgado (pp.27,
>>>93).
>>>
>>>_The Zapping of America_, by Paul Brodeur. DoD EM ESB research;
>>>simulating auditory hallucinations.
>>>
>>>_Of Mice, Men and Molecules_, by John H. Heller, 1963.
>>>Bioelectricity; probing the brain with EM waves (p.110).
>>>
>>>_The Three-Pound Universe_, by Judith Hooper. CIA EEG research;
>>>EEGs for surveillance (pp.29, 132, 137).
>>>
>>>_In the Palaces of Memory_, by George Johnson. EM emissions from
>>>the brain; the brain as an open electromagnetic circuit.
>>>
>>>_The Puzzle Palace_, by James Bamford. Signals intelligence;
>>>most advanced computers in the early 'sixties.
>>>
>>>The US Intelligence Community. Glossary terms at National
>>>Security Archives; Radiation Intelligence (information from
>>>unintentionally emanated electromagnetic energy, excluding
>>>radioactive sources).
>>>
>>>_The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate"_, by John Marks.
>>>Electrical or radio stimulation to the brain; CIA R&D in
>>>bioelectrics (p.227).
>>>
>>>_Secret Agenda_, by Jim Hougan. National security cult groups.
>>>
>>>_Crimes of the Intelligence Community_, by Morton Halperin.
>>>Surreptitious entries; intelligence agents running operations
>>>against government workers.
>>>
>>>_War in the Age of Intelligent Machines_, NSA computer
>>>supremacy, complete control of information.
>>>
>>>_Alternate Computers_, by Time-Life Books. Molecular computers.
>>>
>>>_The Mind_, By Richard Restak, M.D. EEG Systems, Inc.; decoding
>>>brain EM emanations; tracking thoughts on a computer.
>>>
>>>_MedTech_, by Lawrence Galton. Triggering events in the brain,
>>>direct to auditory cortex signals.
>>>
>>>_Cyborg_, by D.S. Halacy, Jr. 1965. Brain-to-computer link
>>>research contracts given out by the US Government.
>>>
>>>_Psychiatry and the CIA: Victims of Mind Control_, by Harvey M.
>>>Weinstein, M.D. Dr. Cameron; psychic driving; ultraconceptual
>>>communications.
>>>
>>>_Journey Into Madness: The True Story of Secret CIA Mind Control
>>>and Medical Abuse_, by Gordon Thomas. Intelligence R&D; Delgado;
>>>psychic driving with radio telemetry (pp.127, 276, 116, 168-69).
>>>
>>>_Mind Manipulators_, by Alan Scheflin and Edward M. Opton.
>>>MKULTRA brain research for information-gathering.
>>>
>>>_The Brain Changers_, by Maya Pines. Listening to brain EM
>>>emissions (p.190).
>>>
>>>FURTHER RESOURCES
>>>
>>>_Modern Bioelectricity_. Inducing audio in the brain with EM
>>>waves; DoD cover-up; EM wave ESB; remote EEGs.
>>>
>>>_Magnetic Stimulation in Clinical Neurophysiology_, by Sudhansu
>>>Chokroverty. Magnetophosphenes; images direct to the visual
>>>cortex.
>>>
>>>_The Mind of Man_, by Nigel Calder. US Intelligence brain
>>>research.
>>>
>>>_Neuroelectric Society Conference_, 1971. Audio direct to the
>>>brain with EM waves; two-way remote EEGs.
>>>
>>>_Brain Control_, By Elliot S. Valenstein. ESB; control of
>>>individuals.
>>>
>>>_Towards Century 21_, by C.S. Wallia. Brain Stimulation for
>>>direct-to-brain communications (p.21).
>>>
>>>_Mind Wars_, by Ron McRae (associate of Jack Anderson). Research
>>>into brain-to-brain electronic communications; remote neural EM
>>>detection (pp.62, 106, 136).
>>>
>>>_Mind Tools_, by Rudy Rucker. Brain tapping; communications 
>>>with varying biomagnetic fields (p.82).
>>>
>>>_US News & World Report_, Jan 2, 1984. EM wave brain
>>>stimulation; intelligence community high tech (p.38).
>>>
>>>_Ear Magazine_. Article on extremely low frequency radio
>>>emissions in the natural environment; radio emissions from the
>>>human body.
>>>
>>>_City Paper_, Washington, DC, Jan 17, 1992. Article on FCC and
>>>NSA "computer radio spectrum" listening posts.
>>>
>>>_Frontiers of Science_, by Edward Hutchings, Jr, 1958 (p.48).
>>>
>>>_Beyond Feedback_, by Elmer and Alyce Green, 1977, (p.118).
>>>
>>>_The Body Quantum_, by Fred Alan Wolf.
>>>
>>>_Cloning: A Biologist Reports_, by Robert Gilmore McKinnell.
>>>Ethical review of cloning humans.
>>>
>>>_Hoover's FBI_, by former agent William Turner. Routines of
>>>electronic surveillance work (p.280).
>>>
>>>_July 20, 2019_, by Arthur C. Clark. LIDA; neurophones;
>>>brain-computer link.
>>>
>>>_Megabrain_, by Michael Hutchison. Brain stimulation with EM
>>>waves; CIA research and information control (pp.107, 108, 117,
>>>120, 123).
>>>
>>>_The Cult of Information_, by Theodore Rosnak, 1986. NSA
>>>Directive #145; personal files in computers; computer-automated
>>>telephone tapping.
>>>
>>>_The Body Shop_. 1968 implantation of an electrode array on the
>>>visual cortex for video direct to the brain; other 1960s research
>>>into electronically triggering phosphenes in the brain, thus
>>>bypassing the eyes.
>>>
>>>_Evoked Potentials_, by David Regan. Decoding neuroelectric
>>>information in the brain.
>>>
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At 11:26 PM 12/19/96 GMT, Ron Hill wrote:
>>
>>>judycole@spider.lloyd.com said in a reply to G D Mutch:

>>Yer anyway I thought I would get the group active again....  

<snip>
                           ***********

Just to refresh the memories of all on the Taoshum newsletter...

None of the post captioned by Ron Hill was my material.  This post was
written by G.D. Mutch.


Judy K
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At 11:26 PM 12/19/96 GMT, Ronald Hill wrote:
>It is interesting that some British medical experts have just claimed that 
>tinnitus   (noises in the head/middle ear) is not a medical condition but a 
>psychological one caused by the brain putting up some sort of defence 
>mechanism to protect the hearing from damage by loud sounds - even though 
>this is unneccesary. They claim that the condition can be cured by training. 
>I am afraid that I have no further details yet though.
>Regards,
>Ronald Hill. 
>
Well, Ron...I heard just the opposite; that some medical scientists put a
sensitive microphone up to the human ear of someone who suffered from
tinnitus (ringing in the ears). What they reported and recorded was the
actual  ringing sound. Maybe both are true, but the *actual* ringing was
thought to be a result of an acoustic feedback (within the head) of some
kind. Don't ask me. I admit it sounds weird, and I can't recall the
reference. Sorry.

Colin Quinney.
    

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> Date:          Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:43:17 -0800 (PST)
> To:            taoshum-l@eskimo.com
> From:          judycole@spider.lloyd.com (Judy Karleen-Cole)
> Subject:       Re: More hum-sounds
> Reply-to:      taoshum-l@eskimo.com

> At 11:26 PM 12/19/96 GMT, Ron Hill wrote:
> >>
> >>>judycole@spider.lloyd.com said in a reply to G D Mutch:
> 
> >>Yer anyway I thought I would get the group active again....  
> 
> <snip>
>                            ***********
> 
> Just to refresh the memories of all on the Taoshum newsletter...
> 
> None of the post captioned by Ron Hill was my material.  This post was
> written by G.D. Mutch.
> 
> 
> Judy K
> El Dorado, CA   
> 38.663N-120.872W
> judycole@spider.lloyd.com

My apologies to Judy and others who were mislead by my error.
Of course it should have indicated that it was a message FROM G. D. 
Mutch TO Judy K.

Must get some new spectacles.

Ronald Hill.

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> Date:          Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:52:39 -0500
> From:          zeropoint <zap@dnai.com> (by way of "G.D.Mutch" <Mutchg@Topaz.Cqu.Edu.Au>)
> Subject:       [fwd: nsa covert mind control operations]
> To:            taoshum-l@eskimo.com
> Reply-to:      taoshum-l@eskimo.com

> Hi to all on Taoshum...
> This material has been sent to myself... I don't know how much of this is
> real, I'm still niave that this sort of thing is really happening in the
> world. 
> 
> On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, "Mike and Laurie O'Donnell" <melvink@k2.kirtland.cc.mi.us> 
> wrote:

> >>Subject: [fwd: nsa covert mind control operations]


> >>>
> >>>Signals Intelligence Remote Computer Tampering
<snip>
> >>>The NSA's EMF equipment can tune in RF emissions from personal
> >>>computer circuit boards (while filtering out emissions from
> >>>monitors and power supplies). The RF emission from PC circuit
> >>>boards contains digital information in the PC. Coded RF waves
> >>>from the NSA's equipment can resonate PC circuits and change
> >>>data in the PCs. Thus the NSA can gain wireless modem-style
> >>>entry into any computer in the country for surveillance or
> >>>anti-terrorist electronic warfare.

Whilst not relevant to Taos hum it does seem highly unlikely that 
this could happen in practice.

<snip>

> >>>BRAIN LINK TECHNOLOGY
> >>>
> >>>NSA SIGINT can remotely detect, identify and monitor a person's
> >>>bioelectric fields.
> >>>
> >>>The NSA's Signals Intelligence has the proprietary ability to
> >>>monitor remotely and non-invasively information in the human
> >>>brain by digitally decoding the evoked potentials in the 30-50
> >>>Hz, 5 milliwatt electromagnetic emissions from the brain.

This seems a relatively enormous power output - it should be possible 
to actually hear 50 Hz with a radiated power of 5 milliwatts surely?
> >>>

> >>>Neuronal activity in the brain creates a shifting electrical
> >>>pattern that has a shifting magnetic flux. This magnetic flux
> >>>puts out a constant 30-50 Hz, 5 milliwatt electromagnetic (EMF)
> >>>wave. Contained in the electromagnetic emission from the brain
> >>>are spikes and patterns called "evoked potentials."
> >>>
> >>>Every thought, reaction, motor command, auditory event and
> >>>visual image in the brain has a corresponding "evoked potential"
> >>>or set of "evoked potentials." The EMF emission from the brain
> >>>can be decoded into the current thoughts, images and sounds in
> >>>the subject's brain.
> >>>
> >>>NSA SIGINT uses EMF-transmitted Brain Stimulation as a
> >>>communications system to transmit information (as well as 
> >>>nervous system messages) to intelligence agents and also to 
> >>>transmit to the brains of covert operations subjects (on a 
> >>>non-perceptible level).
> >>>
> >>>EMF Brain Stimulation works by sending a complexly coded and
> >>>pulsed electromagnetic signal to trigger evoked potentials
> >>>(events) in the brain, thereby forming sound and visual images 
> >>>in the brain's neural circuits. EMF Brain Stimulation can also
> >>>change a person's brain-states and affect motor control.

Now we may be getting somewhere?

> >>>
> >>>Two-way electronic Brain Link is done by remotely monitoring
> >>>neural audiovisual information while transmitting sound to the
> >>>auditory cortex (bypassing the ears) and transmitting faint
> >>>images to the visual cortex (bypassing the optic nerves and
> >>>eyes). The images appear as floating 2D screens in the brain.
> >>>
> >>>Two-way electronic Brain Link has become the ultimate
> >>>communications system for CIA/NSA personnel. Remote neural
> >>>monitoring (RNM, remotely monitoring bioelectric information in
> >>>the human brain) has become the ultimate surveillance system. 
> >>>It is used by a limited number of agents in the US Intelligence
> >>>Community.
> >>>
<snip>
> >>>
> >>>The frequency to which the various brain areas respond varies
> >>>from 3 Hz to 50 Hz. Only NSA Signals Intelligence modulates
> >>>signals in this frequency band. (See Table 1.)
> >>>
> >>>This modulated information can be put into the brain at 
> >>>varying intensities from the subliminal to perceptible.

Notice the frequency range? Sounds like the Taos hum frequencies 
would fall into this region.

>>>Each person's brain has a unique set of bioelectric
> >>>resonance/entrainment frequencies. Sending audio information to 
> >>>a person's brain at the frequency of another person's auditory
> >>>cortex would result in that audio information not being
> >>>perceived.
> >>>
> >>>The Plaintiff learned of RNM by being in two-way RNM contact 
> >>>with the Kinnecome group at the NSA, Ft Meade.
> >>>
> >>>They used RNM 3D sound direct to the brain to harass the
> >>>Plaintiff from 10/90 to 5/91.
<snip>
> >>>The Kinnecome group has about 100 persons working 24 hours a day
> >>>at Ft Meade. They have also brain-tapped persons the Plaintiff
> >>>is in contact with to keep the Plaintiff isolated. This is the
> >>>first time ever that a private citizen has been harassed with
> >>>RNM and has been able to bring a lawsuit against NSA personnel
> >>>misusing this intelligence operations method.
> >>>

It all sounds very science fiction stuff, but very often there is no 
smoke without fire, should we write it all off as disinformation or 
conspiracy stuff?

Ronald.

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My experience as a somtimes technical expert in intellectual property matters
leads me to suggest that attorneys may file briefs in court that sometimes
contain "pure unadulterated piffle" - a phrase, by the way, that has appeared
in the Congressional Record.

Whereas some of the material posted under the "covert mind control" subject
may be true, or partially true, the rest may be in the category of speculation
and heresay for the purpose of fooling some of the people some of the time.

Raymond K. Adams, Twice retired Educator/Engineer
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>> >>>BRAIN LINK TECHNOLOGY
>> >>>
>> >>>NSA SIGINT can remotely detect, identify and monitor a person's
>> >>>bioelectric fields.
>> >>>
>> >>>The NSA's Signals Intelligence has the proprietary ability to
>> >>>monitor remotely and non-invasively information in the human
>> >>>brain by digitally decoding the evoked potentials in the 30-50
>> >>>Hz, 5 milliwatt electromagnetic emissions from the brain.
>
>This seems a relatively enormous power output - it should be possible 
>to actually hear 50 Hz with a radiated power of 5 milliwatts surely?
>> >>>

I believe that a milliwatt is 1/1000 of a watt.  Fairly small I think.  If
you are thinking that this is 1 million watts,  that would be a megawatt.
Still, this is fairly incredible, since brain scan scientists are
struggling to get any useful information from this source.



>
>> >>>Neuronal activity in the brain creates a shifting electrical
>> >>>pattern that has a shifting magnetic flux. This magnetic flux
>> >>>puts out a constant 30-50 Hz, 5 milliwatt electromagnetic (EMF)
>> >>>wave. Contained in the electromagnetic emission from the brain
>> >>>are spikes and patterns called "evoked potentials."
>> >>>
>> >>>Every thought, reaction, motor command, auditory event and
>> >>>visual image in the brain has a corresponding "evoked potential"
>> >>>or set of "evoked potentials." The EMF emission from the brain
>> >>>can be decoded into the current thoughts, images and sounds in
>> >>>the subject's brain.
>> >>>
>> >>>NSA SIGINT uses EMF-transmitted Brain Stimulation as a
>> >>>communications system to transmit information (as well as 
>> >>>nervous system messages) to intelligence agents and also to 
>> >>>transmit to the brains of covert operations subjects (on a 
>> >>>non-perceptible level).
>> >>>
>> >>>EMF Brain Stimulation works by sending a complexly coded and
>> >>>pulsed electromagnetic signal to trigger evoked potentials
>> >>>(events) in the brain, thereby forming sound and visual images 
>> >>>in the brain's neural circuits. EMF Brain Stimulation can also
>> >>>change a person's brain-states and affect motor control.
>
>Now we may be getting somewhere?
>
>> >>>
>> >>>Two-way electronic Brain Link is done by remotely monitoring
>> >>>neural audiovisual information while transmitting sound to the
>> >>>auditory cortex (bypassing the ears) and transmitting faint
>> >>>images to the visual cortex (bypassing the optic nerves and
>> >>>eyes). The images appear as floating 2D screens in the brain.
>> >>>
>> >>>Two-way electronic Brain Link has become the ultimate
>> >>>communications system for CIA/NSA personnel. Remote neural
>> >>>monitoring (RNM, remotely monitoring bioelectric information in
>> >>>the human brain) has become the ultimate surveillance system. 
>> >>>It is used by a limited number of agents in the US Intelligence
>> >>>Community.
>> >>>
><snip>
>> >>>
>> >>>The frequency to which the various brain areas respond varies
>> >>>from 3 Hz to 50 Hz. Only NSA Signals Intelligence modulates
>> >>>signals in this frequency band. (See Table 1.)
>> >>>
>> >>>This modulated information can be put into the brain at 
>> >>>varying intensities from the subliminal to perceptible.
>
>Notice the frequency range? Sounds like the Taos hum frequencies 
>would fall into this region.
>
>>>>Each person's brain has a unique set of bioelectric
>> >>>resonance/entrainment frequencies. Sending audio information to 
>> >>>a person's brain at the frequency of another person's auditory
>> >>>cortex would result in that audio information not being
>> >>>perceived.
>> >>>
>> >>>The Plaintiff learned of RNM by being in two-way RNM contact 
>> >>>with the Kinnecome group at the NSA, Ft Meade.
>> >>>
>> >>>They used RNM 3D sound direct to the brain to harass the
>> >>>Plaintiff from 10/90 to 5/91.
><snip>
>> >>>The Kinnecome group has about 100 persons working 24 hours a day
>> >>>at Ft Meade. They have also brain-tapped persons the Plaintiff
>> >>>is in contact with to keep the Plaintiff isolated. This is the
>> >>>first time ever that a private citizen has been harassed with
>> >>>RNM and has been able to bring a lawsuit against NSA personnel
>> >>>misusing this intelligence operations method.
>> >>>
>
>It all sounds very science fiction stuff, but very often there is no 
>smoke without fire, should we write it all off as disinformation or 
>conspiracy stuff?
>
>Ronald.
>
>
Sounds like exaggeration of the currently possible into the currently
impossible.

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It is indeed a fact that the ear produces acoustics signals. These 
signals are called otoacoustic emissions.  This emissions come in two 
flavors: spontaneous and evoked.  The spontaneous emissions are the 
result of vibrations of the haircells in the cochlea.  These emissions 
can also be evoked by simulating the ear with two pure tones whose 
frequencies are a particular ratio of each other. Evoked otoacoustic 
emissions are used to "measure" the hearing in infants since this type of 
test does not require the subject to press a button or respond in any 
matter if they hear the tones.  There is  tremendous amount of medical 
literature on this subject.


                        Carlos Melendez
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On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Quinney wrote:

> At 11:26 PM 12/19/96 GMT, Ronald Hill wrote:
> >It is interesting that some British medical experts have just claimed that 
> >tinnitus   (noises in the head/middle ear) is not a medical condition but a 
> >psychological one caused by the brain putting up some sort of defence 
> >mechanism to protect the hearing from damage by loud sounds - even though 
> >this is unneccesary. They claim that the condition can be cured by training. 
> >I am afraid that I have no further details yet though.
> >Regards,
> >Ronald Hill. 
> >
> Well, Ron...I heard just the opposite; that some medical scientists put a
> sensitive microphone up to the human ear of someone who suffered from
> tinnitus (ringing in the ears). What they reported and recorded was the
> actual  ringing sound. Maybe both are true, but the *actual* ringing was
> thought to be a result of an acoustic feedback (within the head) of some
> kind. Don't ask me. I admit it sounds weird, and I can't recall the
> reference. Sorry.
> 
> Colin Quinney.
>     
> 
> 

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Hi to the list
Here is a web-site that others may find interesting. This is a sugar coated 
pill to get people use to the whats coming in future. ?????
http://www.minimitter.com/

Regards
G.D.&C.M. Mutch
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I support Pauline Hanson 100% like 96% of australia. NO! I'm NOT a racist.
Have the guts to stand UP and say "NO!" to the current use of Bio-Telemetry.
Work out in the open : it does no good to save the world in silence.
NB. Please keep trying if you have problems with the above e-mail address.

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Has anyone else tried to access the www.minimitter.com website?  I'm
confused as to what it's supposed to be and how it relates to "things to
come"...

==================================

Lisa Reisberg, Director
Division of Public Education
American Academy of Pediatrics
141 Northwest Point Blvd
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Lisa Reisberg wrote:
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> Has anyone else tried to access the www.minimitter.com website?  I'm
> confused as to what it's supposed to be and how it relates to "things to come"...

>>>>Yes - but the answer (if, as a relative newcomer, I may take the liberty of sharing my opinion) may be somewhat outside the scope of a percentage of our group (ie. those tending to research hum natural causes, industrial machinery, tinnitus-type) - we


ll at least from what I have read for the past year or so - I think there were similar references to bio-communications in some of the older Hum discussions.

I think what GD was alluding to is that there are groups involved in 
either research (into bio-communications and bio-control) or 
'monitoring' (security, control, etc. for the technologies that may 
have already been developed and manufactured and made available to the 
'monitors').  The page you visited is sort of an introduction of sorts 
... even though it may very well be a fine and legitimate company, I 
think GD is highlighting that historically we are witnessing the 
emergence of a series of technologies that allows either intentional 
or unintentional communications to various structures within both our 
bodies and perhaps more importantly our minds.

I think the "things to come" references the long term ability to help 
safeguard our society through the use of technology - many of the 
concepts are most likely at the "priffle" stage. Some of the research 
I am certain is beyond our reach or our need to know; hopefully there 
are members of the appropriate watchdog and ethics groups who will 
help guide the technologists.  We have to balance the (often too much) 
information before us - public domain, research grants, science 
fiction, imagination, disinformation, paranoia, common sense, 
probable need, and even second hand reports...against the realization 
that we are all multi-dimensional beings with limits and abilities we 
are just beginning to discover.-WJ

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I looked at it.  It looks to me to be a straight forward scientific
instrument site.  I guess it relates to the "things to come" issue if you
extrapolate to human implantation of these devices for government intrusion
in our lives.
At 09:14 AM 12/26/96 +0900, you wrote:
>Has anyone else tried to access the www.minimitter.com website?  I'm
>confused as to what it's supposed to be and how it relates to "things to
>come"...
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[snip ]

>I think the "things to come" references the long term ability to help 
>safeguard our society through the use of technology - many of the 
>concepts are most likely at the "priffle" stage. Some of the research 
>I am certain is beyond our reach or our need to know; hopefully there 
>are members of the appropriate watchdog and ethics groups who will 
>help guide the technologists.  We have to balance the (often too much) 
>information before us - public domain, research grants, science 
>fiction, imagination, disinformation, paranoia, common sense, 
>probable need, and even second hand reports...against the realization 
>that we are all multi-dimensional beings with limits and abilities we 
>are just beginning to discover.-WJ


Nicely worded there Bill?; couldn't have said it better myself.

Yes people are slowly being programmed through 'tv and advertisements' to
except things that will be of NO benefit to themselves at all. Even though
this technology will make it easy to access our bank accounts and personal
information. Those in control of it will have devastating powers that are
not realised by most people today. The global linked computer systems are
set up and in part operation already. I believe the population control
programs are nearly all written or are in full design stages. This is a
fully automated computer system that holds no regard for peoples
emotions,judgements or reasonings. The ability for a minority to literally
(and I mean literally) play GOD...  

I too believe as Bill said, "we are multi-dimensional beings" with free
will... I think some of us are being tested to see how far we will take our
own free will.

If anybody is interested there is many sites on the web that go further into
this topic, just email me.

Regards
G.D.Mutch


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[Big snip]

>To close I would like to say that I went a step further in my own 
>thinking. With technology changing at a rate that we really do not 
>have history to look back upon and only science fiction, imaginations 
>and the rumblings of hypnotized dream-state 'future observers' to draw 
>from, the future or future(s) possibilities are immmense.  We may be 
>coming to grips with some real hard realizations as we 'see' our place 
>in the larger picture - learning to balance our own desires with those 
>of a myriad of others will be the challenge.  Perhaps, after all, 
>there are 'monitors' further up the hierarchy that will help balance 
>things as we approach the New Age. -Bill J

Hello Bill

My Name is Grant. In any case I'm not a monitor/govt/multi-national or any
of those people. I'm merely a concerned citizen, who is under-going special
attention because I help other people. I have a true belief in the new-age
and I help others to see what they can be achieved from this earth if they
just put aside their hate, guilt, jealousy,rivalry,greed and above all
dictatorship attitudes. I'm not a good samaritan, or goodie-two-shoes not by
a long way, I have my faults like any other... I can't stand
good samaritans for what its worth. While ever the world carries the selfish
me-first, stuff-you, dog-eat-dog attitude the world is fully on track for
destruction.

The real Route of the Problem,and correcting it: 
Everybody including the governments say "what can we do". Simple public
education about themselves is a start. Like self discipline ,self awareness
and responsibility for your own actions: "truthful balance in a word". True
Balance is a VERY REAL CONCEPT that  should be taught from a very early
school age. Nothing (I mean nothing) would 
exist if it did not balance. This holds true from the micro right through to
the macro of the cosmos. It holds true for every single thing we think say
and do. Removing the barriers allowing alternative systems in to society is
a HUGE step forward in the right direction. It will allow us to get the
planet back into balance for starters. Then we
can start to teach people at the education level how to become balanced Ie.
how their thoughts and actions will come back to face them in the opposite
form: forcing them to 
acknowledge their founding thoughts and actions that forced this imbalance
in the first place. This applies to each an every object,animal or person...
NO ONE, nothing escapes the universal laws of balance.

It really comes down to looking inside yourself and asking what would make
me a better person? It will never come from pretending to be tuff, or
pretending the money will make you happy, or a new wife/girlfriend or
blaming racists attitudes or trying to impress superiors or the thirst for
power or greed etc... If the wealthy gave 90% of what they have now, then
most of worlds crimes would be non-existent. Most crimes are a simple rule
of the HAVE NOT'S taking from the HAVE'S... its that simple. If the HAVE'S
gave more they would be helping prevent the very crimes against themselves.
So in affect (through lack of balance and foresight) the HAVE'S help bring
about their own problems. 

I don't attach myself to much to material objects and therefore have no need
for greed and/or power. I try to give back more than I take where I can. I
agree whole heartedly with your statements in all of the above text. I agree
with the monitors in one respect that they have a job to do. But like police
its not what they do: --it is the way they do it. 

But true to all dictators that have come and gone they will try to use this
electronic surveillance technology in ways that will try to make a picture
perfect world through force. Which will result in massive destruction of
peoples will to live. They themselves will be left with the scowed scraps of
a race of intellect that will resemble nothing more than the apes of the
jungle. Then they can truly call themselves king of the jungle. May be they
feel the world is over populated and this might be a good thing??? 
 
I sympathize (to a limited degree) with the monitors and the alike, they
feel they have a job to clean up society. Trouble is they watch to much
'tv'. If they turn the tv off 6 nights of the week they would see a vast
improvement in their own attitude to life. The bad things won't go away but
if they banded the news broadcasts off the tv you would not get copy-cat;
would-be criminals or war mongers getting better education or glorification
from crime/war. You would not have the good samaritan S.O.B's trying to
bring in new laws and electronic surveillance type scenario in to the
present day. If you tell the people the world is in a mess (as far as crime
and war goes) it would not be long before you have the entire globe
believing in just that, and you will have a snow ball effect in peoples
attitude which in effect will bring about that which people are trying to
avoid. Then the people demand something should be done. In reality I feel
the news and media should be held more accountable for --"SENASATIONALIZING"
the doom an gloom they portray in their broadcasts. They should be made
accountable for the psychological effects they produce in shaping our society. 

To the Monitors:
Real men/women are made from a healthy balance from within one's self. Pitty
it will take you blokes/women till your 60-70 years old to find that out.
Balance sometimes comes with having the guts to standing up and do something
about correcting that which is wrong. And I don't mean by dictatorship or
electronic controls. The world can only hope that some of you people are
still human... ????? 

Each an every single person is the cause of the earths problems. 
If people would only put away there stupid fears and genuinely try.

Anyway Bill this turned into a small gripe session...:) 
Our first and best method of defense if purely passive it comes from
informing all
people and making them fully aware of what is going on, no matter where they
live or work. This includes all people at all levels of civilian, government
and military. 
We need to make all people aware of the FULL agenda of this electronic
surveillance;
not just the single criminal monitoring intentions they have for the moment. 

True happiness comes from within and acknowledging that there is a divine
presents that
bought about the entire cosmos. But I guess people get bored with this crap
fairly fast don't they. You don't have to be religious one single bit to
acknowledge there is a unified creating force/intellect/entity in the
universe that bought about our material existance. 

News just announced this morning on the radio here in Australia: "The
federal government has just announced that child criminals will be tagged
with electronic surveillance devices". I felt nauseous and nearly sick when
I heard this news... 
I wouldn't mind knowing the minority who is making these major decisions for
our society. What worries me: the more we talk about this the more we get
their job done for them Ie. they want the public to know about this; they
want bio-telemetry out in the public arena. 

Anyway if you believe in the coming world changes these people will
hopefully be kept far to busy with saving their own backsides than having
anything to do with implementing their proposed agenda. ??? Lets only hope...

Happy New Year, for what it's worth.
 
Very Concerned Citizens
G.D.&C.M.Mutch



 



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Hi

I am new list member. I have decided to join because a few years ago I was
laying in bed trying to read when I noticed a humming noise that was
starting to bug me. Tried to ignore at first but it was pretty loud and
annoying so I got up and started putting my ear to everything trying to
figure out what it was. It kind of sounded as though it was coming from one
wall, so I tried to figure out what it could be and ended up at a dead end.
At first my husband didn't hear it...when he did, we both tried tracking
down the source all over the house inside and out. Nothing. As it was a kind
of windy day we chalked it up to the phone lines vibrating somewhere and
*somehow* making the humming noise. Since then the humming has occurred
sporadically and not always on windy days. I have given up trying to find
the source since there doesn't appear to be one and it just makes me crazy.
I have since then heard about the Taos hum and since it seems to be what I
have experienced, here I am. I do not have any technical knowledge and
haven't a lot to add other than to report what I think may possibly be the
"hum", so I will probably just lurk here and soak up all your knowledge. If
it makes a difference, I live in Wisconsin...in Oshkosh, very near the shore
of Lake Winnebago (I can see the lake from here).

Felinda


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Felinda Bullock wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I am new list member. I have decided to join because a few years ago I was
> laying in bed trying to read when I noticed a humming noise that was
> starting to bug me. Tried to ignore at first but it was pretty loud and
> annoying so I got up and started putting my ear to everything trying to
> figure out what it was. It kind of sounded as though it was coming from one
> wall, so I tried to figure out what it could be and ended up at a dead end.


Felinda - Welcome!  You are not alone.  Most everyone on this newsgroup 
has a similar story to tell.  You are lucky in that your spouse hears it 
also.  Most don't.  It is a solitary venture usually.  Surprised you 
haven't unplugged your refrigerator yet.  That seems to be the first 
thing everyone tries.  

So, don't despair.  You have plenty of company.  The hum does tend to 
abate at times.  My summer was very quiet.  The hum has picked up 
considerably in the last few months.  I am hoping that after New Years it 
will quiet down like last year.  

Over the years, I have found the hum to be less and less distracting.  It 
is eerily quiet when the hum is absent.  

Good luck and take care.
Joni Webb
