[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #331 February 24, 2001 In this issue: * Song Of The Week (week of 2/18): "The Minister" * New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed! (cont.) * "It's OK" by the Beach Boys * Village Underground - ticket update * Village Underground - hotel group rates * Charlie Grima and Ghost * Carl's 1st LP * Need "Words Of Aaron" lyrics * "See My Baby Jive" No. 323! * Questions about the Goldmine interview (Part 2) * Goldmine interview with Roy Wood (Part 4) ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "The Minister" Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:09:32 -0800 From: "Doyle, Joe" >What/who is this song about? You know for years I've thought that this was about the Profumo scandal in Britain in the UK. In 1963 a Conservative MP got "caught with his pants down" and had to resign, ultimately ending Harold MacMillan's career as Prime Minister too: but he is still alive. This is a long shot, but if we take some poetic license and consider reading "President" for "Minister", the words really could fit JFK to a 'T'. Died too young, he was in awful pain for most of his adult life with back/leg problems and of course we all know about his "playing too hard". A long shot, but the best that I can do. Why doesn't Rob just ask Jeff? Also, in the chorus, it's a wild, wild guess, but shouldn't "mister" read "minister"? :) >Tell me a story mister >There ain't no time left to lose ********** Subject: Re: New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:45:21 -0800 From: "Borja Ferrer" I wouldn't like to have another Greatest Hits album, because they have all the songs we know. I'd like to have a compilation album with rare tracks or hard to find tracks like: Kiss Me Goodnight, Bodacea OTT Open my Eyes (The Nazz) The Duke Of Edinburgh's Lettuce I am not very sure, but I think Roy Wood played the drums in the Beach Boys song "It's OK", so it could be included. And I'm sure there are a lot of Roy Wood rare tracks we don't know because they never were included in an album. I saw the Rock Legends program, and Spektacular is a great song, it could be included too. Best Regards Borja Ferrer (Spanish Woody Fan) ********** Subject: "It's OK" by the Beach Boys Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:18:48 -0800 From: BigLarry Borja writes: >I am not very sure, but I think Roy Wood played the drums in the >Beach Boys song "It's OK", so it could be included. Actually, Roy played sax on this song. So did Nick Pentelow, a sax-man from Wizzard. Unfortunately, the saxes got low priority in the final mix, so it's hard to hear their contribution. ********** Subject: Re: "It's OK" by the Beach Boys Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:24:46 -0800 From: "chris roberts" Roy can be heard playing sax on this number and I think I can hear some backing vocals too. Chris (Cardiff, Wales) ********** Subject: Re: "It's OK" by the Beach Boys Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:25:01 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" If memory serves, Roy said in the Goldmine interview that they also sang with the Beach Boys on this track. Brian Wilson rang him when Wizzard were in L.A. during their '74 tour here in the US to say he liked "Forever", Roy's tribute to the Beach Boys, and invited him to the session for "It's OK". This should be upcoming in the reprint being so graciously provided by our dedicated list administrator Lynn. And many thanks to her for taking the time to transcribe it for the benefit of all who never saw it. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Village Underground - ticket update Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:52:37 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins The latest from the Village Underground is that there are approx. 100 tickets available per show. Capacity is 300. The club is getting ready to advertise locally, so if you were planning on getting tickets, don't wait. For those who purchased tickets for the originally scheduled November dates, your tickets (for same day of the week) WILL be honored at the door. If your tickets were for FRIDAY, November 9, you may use them for the FRIDAY, March 22 show. Etc. You can exchange your tickets for a different day, but this must be done in person at the box office prior to the show, and it's limited to availability. If you want to do an exchange, you need to do it ASAP. If you're out of state (or out of the country!), you can always send your tickets to a friend in NY and ask them to exchange them for you. Club info is below for those who need it. I asked Move list members to let me know which shows they're planning on attending. Here's what I've gotten so far (and this info is tentative as folks are in the middle of making travel plans): Brian Carter (New York) - Friday (so far) John DeSilva (California) - Thursday & Friday Tim Emerich (California) - Two shows Joe Doyle (Canada) - Thursday Larry Harris (Texas) - Thursday, Friday, Saturday & Sunday Lynn Hoskins (California) - Thursday, Friday, Saturday & Sunday Bruce Markow (New York) - Thursday & Sunday Joe Ramsey (California) - Friday, Saturday & Sunday (maybe Thurs.) Tyler Sherman (New Jersey) - Sunday Greg Weatherby (California) - Thursday & Friday I'll be putting this info. on a Web page that will be updated each time I get new info. Is anyone from overseas coming to the NY shows? I want to do the same for the March 13 Bilston show, so if you're planning on going to that one, drop me an e-mail. ---- Roy Wood's Army March 21st, 22nd, 23rd - 8:30pm (standing only) March 24th - 6:00pm (sit-down show) The Village Underground 130 W. 3rd Street (at 6th Ave) NYC, New York, USA Box Office: (212) 777-7745 Right across the street from the famous Blue Note jazz club Tickets $25 Charge by phone: 1-800-965-4827 or visit http://www.ticketweb.com Note: Persons under the age of 21 will not be admitted. You must present a valid ID at the door to show that you are over 21. ********** Subject: Village Underground - hotel group rates Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:18:58 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins I'm looking into hotel group rates for those going to see Roy's shows at the Village Underground March 21-24. There is a nice hotel within walking distance of the club - they have special winter rates and group rates. If you're planning on going and haven't yet made hotel reservations, please drop me an e-mail right away so I know what kind of numbers I'm working with when I call on Monday. Thank you! ********** Subject: Charlie Grima and Ghost Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:09:14 -0800 From: "stephen mulcahy" The other day, someone on this list informed me that charlie grima was NOT the drummer for the lemon tree. keith smart was. i've since learned that grima was the drummer for an end of the sixties/beginning of the 70's band called GHOST who put out an album called WHEN YOU'RE DEAD. does anyone know anything about this band? what were they like, and were they any good? and how about TEA AND SYMPHONY, who included a couple of guys who were in the idle race at the end of that group's career? any info would be much appreciated... ********** Subject: Carl's 1st LP Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:54:07 -0800 From: MontyDaman Richard wrote: >This isn't the first time I heard it. I first heard it when it came out >way back when. My friend purchased an import (Cause it wasn't released >in the U.S.A.). Actually, he owned a record store...and he had a few >copies for sale...and I had an oportunity to buy it way back when. But >when I first heard it, I was disappointed and didn't buy it. It was >around 1973, and my tastes were alot different. I was 21 and playing in >a rock band (mostly we played English rock, lots of Kinks and Move) and >the album wasn't to my tastes, so I past it up. I wanted to hear >something more on The Move-ish side. I can totally understand why Richard felt/feels the way he does about the reissued Carl Wayne 1st Lp. However, as a BIG fan of the Move, Beatles, Stones, Yardbirds, Kinks, Byrds & Roxy Music I also was a big fan of The Walker Brothers. I think this was maybe why I COULD listen and like this album. I was back then and still am a fan of music across the board. It stops with Country/Opera/Rap!!!!! Carl Wayne has a rich voice! He was an amazing singer in The Move. I was so pleased to only recently hear he and Roy ARE still good buddies. I was mistaken in thinking they didnt get along. Anyway the combo of Roy and Carl is unbeatable. ALL the music recorded by the Move with Carl in the line up is The Moves "classic" period!!! The first album and Shazam are two of the finest pop Lp's ever!!! Shazam is probably their Sgt Pepper!! I really liked Carls lp when I first bought it in 73 and still do! I bought it I believe after seeing him live (solo) at a little venue in London back then. Seeing him do the tunes live made love the the Lp more Im sure. The only song I don't care for is "I heard The Voice Of Jesus" (it has nothing to do with me being Budhist) but LOVE his cover of "Spirit In The Sky". Yes Richard it was nothing like any Move material but THAT voice still made you think of them. Harold ********** Subject: Re: Carl's 1st LP Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:46:27 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Harold wrote: >However, as a BIG fan of the Move, Beatles, Stones, Yardbirds, Kinks, >Byrds & Roxy Music I also was a big fan of The Walker Brothers. I think >this was maybe why I COULD listen and like this album. I feel like I've just been sent back in time to the early '80s when I was a DJ at a "modern rock" station in Santa Barbara. The format was a mix of rock/new wave/pop/classics/'60s. It was amazing how good "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore" sounded next to some of the modern pop that was out then. Scott Walker's voice was amazing. So what I'm saying is Carl's solo album has just been put into perspective for me. Thank you. :) Artists always get grief from fans when they put out a solo album because "it's not the same!" It's not meant to be. It's supposed to be a departure. What's the point of doing a solo album if it's going to sound the same as a band album? And it's interesting how so many solo albums showcase the "mellower" side of a rock singer. (Paul Westerberg of the Replacements springs to mind.) Carl's voice is incredibly versatile. He can do high voltage, soft and tender, soulful, gritty, pretty pop, you name it. Of course this describes Roy as well. Which is no doubt why there's so much love for the first two Move albums. With a pair of singers like that, no wonder they made history so fast. After reading today's "Carl posts," I gave Carl's CD another listen and found myself enjoying it a lot more. The slide guitar on "Jubilee Cloud" is fantastic. Is that Dusty on backing vocals? I think that's my new favorite on the album. With "Spirit In The Sky" and "Sunday Kind Of Love" tied for second. As several people on this list have stated, it's not the Move. But I do recommend this CD for any fan of the first two Move albums because it lets you hear more of Carl's "pure" singing voice. Once you've heard it, I think you'll have an increased appreciation for the remarkable range he displays on songs like "Don't Make My Baby Blue." ********** Subject: Need "Words of Aaron" lyrics Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:27:57 -0800 From: "Breetveld, Chris" Does anybody have the lyrics for The Words Of Aaron? My band(s) have recorded both The Minister and Aaron but we were always guessing on the words. Chris Breetveld the Breetles West Oranges & Lemons, NJ USA ********** Subject: "See My Baby Jive" No. 323! Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:11:01 -0800 From: John Collins Well, I wrote a couple of weeks ago to say how successful the ELO list have been in voting for ELO albums at Ultimatecharts.com, and that continues. I did say at the time that I had nominated See My Baby Jive, and if you get the chance can you vote for it. Well, someone must be making the effort as it is now 323 on the all time singles chart! So keep up the good work! ********** Subject: Questions about the Goldmine interview (Part 2) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:48:39 -0800 From: Mattbobatt I have been reading the ongoing Goldmine interview with Roy Wood with great interest, since I don't know a lot of the history of The Move and what happened afterwards. So thanks Lynn for doing that. I have a few questions for the experts... Taken from the article: >And the best news for "Woody" fans is that Wood has written a wealth >of songs with a new studio album in the works. Did this studio album ever come out? >Even more impressive is Wood's remarkable feat of landing a cache of >Top 10 hits (and three number ones) in four different incarnations: >the Move, ELO, Wizzard and as a solo artist. What were these Top 10 hits? Besides "Blackberry Way." >Goldmine: At what point did you join your first band, the Falcons? Okay is this where he got the title of "Eddie and the Falcons" from? Is Roy "Eddie"? >I wrote a book which was fairy stories for adults with a bit of a >weird twist at the end of the stories. Dare I ask if this book was ever published??? >Goldmine: I heard the band's stage act was pretty wild. You used to >wear a wig and impersonate Dusty Springfield. Last question: Does anybody have a picture of Roy dressed as Dusty? Thank you. And I look forward to Part 3. ********** Subject: Re: Questions about the Goldmine interview (Part 2) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:02:13 -0800 From: "Doyle, Joe" Afraid I don't have all of the answers Matt, but see below: >Did this studio album ever come out? Unfortunately, no. >What were these Top 10 hits? Besides "Blackberry Way." The three number one's were Blackberry Way, See my Baby Jive and Angel Fingers - the latter two by Wizzard. For a full run-down of singles and chart positions, visit the newly updated discography on the official Roy Wood web site - www.roywood.co.uk >Okay is this where he got the title of "Eddie and the Falcons" from? >Is Roy "Eddie"? Don't know, maybe somebody else does. >Dare I ask if this book was ever published??? I don't believe so. >Last question: Does anybody have a picture of Roy dressed as Dusty? No and I'm not so sure I'd want one!!! ********** Subject: Goldmine interview with Roy Wood (Part 4) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:46:38 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Roy Wood: The Wizzard of Rock Goldmine September 30, 1994 by Ken Sharp PART 4 Goldmine: Who came up with the Move's stage destruction bit, where you smashed TV sets with an ax and hacked up effigies of Hitler? Roy Wood: Well, it was an amalgamation of Tony Secunda and a guy named Bobby Davidson, who's a photographer. He used to do a lot of photos of Zappa and other people like that. he sort of threw a few ideas in. I didn't like it, particularly. One good thing about it was it did attract audiences. We did a couple of real wild jobs at the Roundhouse in London. We drove a couple of Cadillacs in there and smashed them up (laughs) halfway through the act. Goldmine: Did Carl ever get a little close with the ax? Roy Wood: Oh yeah, I had the side of my shoe chopped off once by accident. It was a close one (laughs). One thing I was really upset about was it used to look like we were smashing our gear up. I always loved my guitar and I wouldn't do anything to hurt it. At the end of the night I used to pack it away like a baby. On the back of the guitar I had this sort of foam pad made to stick on the back of my guitar so at the end of the night I could slide my guitar across the stage on its back and it wouldn't hurt it. But we did this thing at the Marquee and everybody got a bit carried away and I threw the guitar across the stage and (laughs) Bev picked his bass drum and cymbal up and threw them at the guitar and smashed it to little bits. I was almost in tears holding the neck of the guitar with strings and stuff hanging off it. Goldmine: "Walk On The Water" was another great vocal vehicle for the band. Roy Wood: Yeah. In fact, I think I wrote that as a follow-up to "I Can Hear The Grass Grow." I think it would have been a good one but they decided not to use it and put it on the B-side of "Fire Brigade." I thought it would have made a good single but obviously they didn't. Goldmine: In retrospect was it a mistake to release "Wild Tiger Woman" as a single? Roy Wood: Yeah. It was a mixture of a lot of stuff. "Wild Tiger Woman," we retorded it and went to mix the track, I think Denny Cordell wasn't there and we did it with the engineer and I think it was the last thing we did on Regal Zonophone. I don't think the publicity machine was actually active when that came out. I think it was sort of ignored. Goldmine: You do some great lead guitar playing on the song. Roy Wood: Unfortunately, most of the songs that I write I don't write them with guitar in mind. I just write it as a song and that was probably one of the ones that left an opening for it. The song's all right, I wouldn't choose to sing it now. Goldmine: You described the Move at one point as being kind of Jekyll and Hyde. What did you mean by that? Roy Wood: It got really strange at one point because Carl always had an ambition to be a solo artist. When we left Tony Secunda, I think Secunda signed us up to this guy Peter Walsh, who used to manage bands like Blue Mink and Marmalade and the Tremeloes, those sort of bands that did the cabaret circuit. He actually mistakenly put us on the cabaret circuit and it didn't suit us at all. As we sent along I think Carl actually started to enjoy it but I didn't. I was getting more and more distant from the band because of it. I mean, it wasn't all cabarets we played. It was probably one a week. I didn't like it at all and neither did Rick Price. He was with us then. It's not what the Move was about. When we did the American tour, myself and Carl had a lot of big disagreements about the way the band should be going. When we came back off the tour that's when Carl decided to leave. Goldmine: Why did Ace Kefford leave the group? Roy Wood: Ace left because he couldn't handle it. Ever since the day we formed none of us really got on very well with him. He was a very strange person. He was very aggressive and Ace and Trevor used to have a lot of fights all the time. The reason Trevor (Burton) left was him and Bev weren't seeing eye to eye and Trevor then was sharing an apartment with Noel Redding from the Jimi Hendrix Experience and they were thinking about getting a band together. I think he left for that reason. Trevor, for a short time, did a thing with Denny Laine. Goldmine: Tell me about the Move's lone U.S. tour. Roy Wood: It was put together very cheaply on a shoe string. We went over and landed in New York. We hired one of those U-Haul trailer things and a ranch wagon and put our gear in the back and just drove all the way across to San Francisco stopping off and playing on the way; it was one of those (laughs). It was a good way to see America because I'd never been there before. It felt like we weren't being looked after too well. We played at the Whiskey in Los Angeles. I remember when we were onstage seeing this buy guy carrying Jim Morrison out on his shoulder. He was sort of flaked out. That was one for the books for me. A gig that I enjoyed playing was at the Fillmore West. We were on the same bill with Joe Cocker and Little Richard. It was a great show. We weren't in America very long. We didn't do more than a dozen gigs. Goldmine: Why didn't you tour in the U.S. more often? Roy Wood: It was basically due to management. We should have gone over years before that. I always wanted to and I think most of the band did. Goldmine: I heard some Texas cowboys were picking on the band. Roy Wood: We had to make a hasty exit from this truck stop place that we stopped off for something to eat in Texas. These cowboys came up and in those days they didn't like long hair on people. They came up and tried to pick a fight and I think our roadie took the bait. It ended up this one guy took his belt off and hit the roadie with it and we all made a hasty exit because they were big guys (laughs). Goldmine: You produced, wrote and sang background on a one-off single in the '60s for a group called the Acid Gallery. The single was "Here We Go Dance Round The May Pole." Roy Wood. I did the vocal backing. Goldmine: It sounds like you singing lead. Roy Wood: Yeah, I know (laughs). It's probably because they were listening to the demo and they copied it. I wrote it and produced it. We did it in the late '60s. They changed their name just after that single and they released a single called "Yellow River." Christie. It was them. I also did a few production bits back then with Andy Fairweather Low just in the studio messing around. It was nothing that saw the light of day. Goldmine: What are your recollections of touring with the Jimi Hendrix Experience? Roy Wood: I got pretty close to Jimi, actually. He was a very nice guy. I mean, apart from his drug problems and all that stuff he was a gentleman. He was a real polite sort of guy. He started having a lot of problems toward the end of the tour. He was going a bit deaf sticking his head in the speaker cabinets and all that sort of stuff. He was going a bit deaf so I volunteered to tune his guitars for him because I had to tune four of my own anyway, so it was very easy. I used to do his for him as well. Goldmine: Did you ever jam with Hendrix? Roy Wood: Yeah. I played bass with him once in a place in Switzerland. It was Hendrix on guitar. I was playing bass, Chris Wood was playing flute, Steve Winwood on organ and I can't remember who was on drums. It might have been Jim Capaldi. Goldmine: How did the Move come to sing backgrounds on "You Got Me Floating" from Hendrix's Axis: Bold As Love album? Roy Wood: That was myself and Trevor doing that. We happened to be in the studio next door and I think Noel Redding came around and said, "Do you fancy having a sing on this?" We just went and did it and it was great. (To be continued...) ----- Coming up in Part 5: How "Blackberry Way" came to be, "Curly," who did the artwork for the "Shazam" album cover, Roy's thoughts about "Shazam," how Roy rates himself as a guitar player, the "Brontosaurus" trio, and enter Jeff Lynne. End of Useless Information #331 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. 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