[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #362 June 12, 2002 In this issue: * How Did The Move Get Their Name? * Shortsighted? Baby, I apologise * Was Split Ends shortsighted? (cont.) * "Looking On" is a hidden treasure * Unintelligible words at the end of "Feel Too Good" * Eddy And The Falcons...as it was envisioned * Move - Stereo Mixes * Song Of The Week (week of 6/10): "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" * Move reissue and "Message" questions * Great Move! bonus track ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: How Did The Move Get Their Name? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:36:33 -0700 From: Katrina Rosati Hello - I am new to the Move, and wondered, how did they get their name? I have read a ton of material and not found any interview where it is mentioned. Thanks a ton! Katrina Rosati ********** Subject: Re: How Did The Move Get Their Name? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:31:24 -0700 From: John DeSilva Katrina wrote: > Hello - I am new to the Move, and wondered, how did they get their > name? I have read a ton of material and not found any interview > where it is mentioned. Katrina: Welcome to the list! The story in a nutshell is this: in the mid-60s in Birmingham England there were three bands getting steady work - Mike Sheridan and The Nightriders (later Mike Sheridan's Lot), Carl and The Vikings, and The Mayfair Set (or Danny and the Mayfair Set, I can't quite remember). Different guys from each band used to gather after hours at the Cedar Club in Birmingham to jam and trade ideas. Five of these guys decided to get together and form their own band: Roy Wood, Bev Bevan, Carl Wayne, Chris "Ace" Kefford, and Trevor Burton. Roy was the one (according to Bev Bevan) who came up with the name "Move" in reference to the moves they were all making from their prior bands to this new band. Hope that explains it - the other 'Movers' on the list will fill in details that I missed I'm sure. JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: How Did The Move Get Their Name? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:23:42 -0700 From: Richard Messum Katrina asked how the Move got their name. I quote Bev Bevan's liner notes to "The Best of the Move" LP. "Once upon a time there were only three bands in the Birmingham, England area getting steady work and it was from these three bands that the musicians who formed the Move came. Trevor Burton was in one, Roy Wood in another and Carl Wayne, Ace Kefford and myself were in the third. All we ever got to do in those bands was play the hits of the day, and by 1966 we were getting tired of it. "There was a club called The Cedars where the five of us would get together every so often and jam. We got on so well that the idea to form a group amongst us began to seem like a good one. When we actually did form up, Roy named us the Move to signify the move everyone was making to join the group." Cheers! ********** Subject: Shortsighted? Baby, I apologise Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 01:21:13 -0700 From: BigLarry26 Hey gang! I have to wonder where "Baby I Apologise" fits in. The only version I've ever found of this song is on the "Early ELO" collection, which was on EMI. To me, it sounds like an Idle Race tune. Maybe a song that got passed over, because the priority was to get ELO started. Maybe Jeff needed a break from the deep intellectual stuff. It's said that the song recorded in the "ELO2" sessions. While this may be true, I must wonder how long song had been sitting on the shelf? I say this because the later Move had some of the "novelty" songs, like My Marge and Don't Mess Me Up. And since Baby I Apologise would be incongruous on the first 2 ELO albums, I wonder it might have found a place on the "could-have-happened" 5th Move album? Furthermore, since Message, Boulders, and No Answer were recorded around the same time, if this song was on the "possibles" list for recording, it would most likely found a place on Message, except that it would tip the balance towards the lighter material. So... anyone know when the song was written? And opinions on what big future it might have had?? Larry Harris Irving, TX ********** Subject: Re: Shortsighted? Baby, I apologise Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 19:51:23 -0700 From: kakman1 My silly theory: When I first heard it, I thought, perhaps, it was a planned B-side for the Showdown single that got abandoned. It certainly seems to fit more with R&B styling of that single, than anything that was produced on ELO 2. Jeff may have abandoned the track because he may have felt it was too silly or could not work in a cello or violin part. IMHO, I would have preferred his as a B-side than that instrumental version of "In Old England Town", that Jeff finally used. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Shortsighted? Baby, I apologise Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:51:56 -0700 From: Rob Caiger > So... anyone know when the song was written? And opinions on what > big future it might have had?? April and May 1973, mixed to two track stereo 1 June 1973. ********** Subject: Re: Was Split Ends shortsighted? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:53:57 -0700 From: Richard Kenworthy Well, despite living in the UK I managed to get a hold of Split Ends in the late 70's some time before I got hold of Message and got plenty of enjoyment from it before I finally saw Message in a clearance sale along with other lps which were probably deleted product and promptly bought it. If I recall there was an extra track on Split Ends compared with the UK issued compilation California Man released on EMI Harvest. The good thing about California Man was the front sleeve picture of Roy in that shiny green jacket playing the saxophone. Certainly the newly recorded tracks that were issued on 45 rpm needed to be placed on an album and I guess that was the only way to do it. EMI Harvest only had the Message album and the same for UA in the states. At least with CDs we do not have the same constraints on recording length that applied to vinyl. ********** Subject: "Looking On" is a hidden treasure Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:16:44 -0700 From: David Fatta I never liked the album "Looking On" until very recently (except for "Brontosaurus" of course. I bought a US cutout way back in 1973, and the vinyl quality was horrible. It sounded so dull and flat, I never liked it, so I never listened to it. I am listening to this material on mp3 and it is like hearing it for the first time. The material is great, and I am ashamed to have never given it a chance. I have heard many people complain about the CD quality of "Looking On". Does anyone know of a way to get this material on CD that actually sounds good? ********** Subject: Looking On Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 23:54:31 -0700 From: Richard Messum Not too convinced about the assertion that "Looking On" is a "hidden" treasure. I mean, what's hidden about it? I have it on both vinyl and Cd and the fidelity has never been an issue, it sounds fantabulous in both formats, and it's my 2nd favourite Move album (after "Shazam," which seems to be most listers' favourite). "Turkish Tram Conductor Blues" is one of my very favourite songs, and "Brontosaurus," "Open up said the world at the door," "What?" and of course the title song and also too as well the rest of the LP is just brill. Great cover, too: all those baldy-headed geezers. David suggested that he initially didn't like the LP because of its lousy sound ... Perhaps he bought a duff copy? ********** Subject: Unintelligible words at the end of "Feel Too Good" Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:03:43 -0700 From: David Fatta What are they saying at the end of "Feel Too Good", the very end of the "Looking On" album? I assume it is Roy Wood's voice. It sounds like: Come on, now. Show us your... Let's get it out. Oh, its big , ain't it. Like a big, green ... Good night. Like a big green ... Its pretty funny, even if you have to infer what is being said. Does anyone know what they are saying, and if it is Woody? ********** Subject: Re: Unintelligible words at the end of "Feel Too Good" Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:53:07 -0700 From: John DeSilva David Fatta wrote: > What are they saying at the end of "Feel Too Good", the very end of > the "Looking On" album? I assume it is Roy Wood's voice. David: There have been differing opinions over the years on the list as to what's being said - I think this is how it goes: Come on, now - show us yer lettuce Let's get it out ... Oh, it's big innit? Like a big green squash ... Good night ... (repeat last two lines over and over) Many people don't think it's squash because of the pronunciation (more like 'skwaash'), but given the 'vegatables' theme, and the fact that the bit is called "The Duke of Edinburgh's Lettuce" I tend to go with "squash" meself... JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Eddy And The Falcons...as it was envisioned Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:59:04 -0700 From: kakman1 Been listening to "Introducing Eddy And The Falcons" CD the past couple days (Edsel Records re-issue). When I first heard this over twenty years ago on vinyl, I remember filing this away under cool jacket cover, lame music. At the time, it struck me as awfully derivative like Elvis Costello's "Get Happy", but not as clever, more carbon copy of the hits from fifties they were based on. Which goes to show how much I payed attention to "We're Gonna Rock'n'Roll Tonight". RE hearing this release years later on CD is fun now, like a new discovery, and Rock'n'Roll Tonight is a killer track, a great Wizzard tune. I still find most of the other tracks very derivative still, but it doesn't grate on me like it did when i first heard it, and I'm getting a lot of the humour I missed first time around. I understand that Eddy was originally gonna be a Double LP, the second half being in the progressive jazz vein of Wizzard's b-sides, but that idea was shelved because the record company had a failure of nerve and those tracks were never mastered and were shelved. If this is true, i'm sure in years to come after all the usual hurdles are cleared, we'll hear the full Eddy and The Falcons as Woody envisioned it. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Eddy And The Falcons...as it was envisioned Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:13:30 -0700 From: Rob Caiger > I understand that Eddy was originally gonna be a Double LP, the second > half being in the progressive jazz vein of Wizzard's b-sides, Rock 'n' roll (Eddy), classical, jazz and country. > ...that idea was shelved because the record company had a failure of > nerve and those tracks were never mastered and were shelved. Roy never finished the songs (where have I heard that before...) so Eddy was released as is. I've found all the session multitracks, outtakes and stuff and there is some stunning material there, especially a rather loose (in a good way) concept section, entitled "Mike Burney In Concrete". Roy directs and recreates a jazz club in the recording studio called "Ronald Botts" with Wizzard and Ayshea making up the audience, clinking glasses and heckling the MC, Eddy WornOut (Rick Price) before he introduces each member of the Mike Burney Band. Typically, Wizzard all swap instruments for the track.... It all screams "box set release", hopefully for the future. We have an interesting case of multiple ownership on the tapes - the session multitracks are on EMI (which is where they are kept after having been lost since 1976), the original 2-track stereo album on Warner Bros., with ownership reverting to Dartbill (Don Arden) during the late seventies, then being lost before ending up owned by Trojan, then licensed to Demon / Westside, then the Trojan rights (and tapes) sold to Sanctuary a year ago, which is where the masters now reside. And we haven't even got to Roy yet, who would no doubt want to remix and re-record the whole thing, disappearing into a studio for a further 10 years. All good fun.... Best - Rob ********** Subject: Move - Stereo Mixes Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:14:41 -0700 From: Paul Watkins Perhaps somebody out there may know the answers to this lot, Rob?? Having just transferred all my move collection onto my PC it brought to my attention the stereo mixes from the original album 'Move' Namely: Weekend, The Lemon tree, Flowers in the Rain, Useless Information, Zing went the strings, The Girl outside and Cherry Blossom Clinic My First Question: Are there any Stereo Mixes of the remaining tracks: - Yellow Rainbow, Kilroy was here, walk upon the water, hey grandma, mist on a Monday morning and Fire Brigade?? My Second Question: Regarding the 'Finished Mixes' on the original stereo album, did the engineer forget to turn up the thunderstorm effect on the beginning of Flowers in the Rain or was it intentional? And as the mono and stereo versions of 'The Girl Outside' are sung so different, is one of them a demo?, Finally why was the last 10 secs of The Lemon Tree faded out on the stereo version? ********** Subject: Song Of The Week: "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:15:45 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Song Of The Week - June 10, 2002 "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" from the album "Introducing Eddy and the Falcons" Ideas for discussion: Songwriting/lyrics Vocals Arrangement & instrumentation Overall production What were your thoughts the first time you heard it? Strengths/weaknesses *********************** Lyrics are courtesy Tyler Sherman, who has done a great job. Tyler listened to both the original Wizzard version and the Cheap Trick version about a hundred times, and I'm thinking he's probably sick of it by now. ;) Does anyone have corrections? How do you think this song works on the album? I wonder if Eddy WornOut likes this track... "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" (Roy Wood) When I pulled into that parkin' lot For a bad time keeper I was on the dot But the springs of that clock ain't got a lot We were lookin' for a place to play We high-tailed over to one-eyed Jack's With a cheap guitar slung over my back But I looked pretty nervous and that's a fact It's down to everything I tried to say Now this stone-cold cat looked big and mean Holdin' some sort of court down in New Orleans It's a one way ticket and a can of beans Got there and we played for free Well I soon got into this famous tune I even tuned my guitar in a neighbor's room So I hit that chord, she hit a boom That cat has got his eye on me But it was alright, we're gonna rock & roll tonight Hey man don't lean on the record machine Or mess around with the big red light But it was alright, we're gonna rock & roll tonight Momma's on the ground goin' round & round Cause her baby's got her jeans too tight Well a lazy job doesn't move too well But we'll do it do it now with a rebel yell 'Bout a rock & roll record and makin' it sell Gonna make it to the top today Well I got ahold of some big demand It ain't no good callin' me a one man band I guess I'll get mixed up in a real cool band And, boy, ya gotta hear them play Well they heard some sounds in the songs we wrote Get 'em back now baby I'll get my coat Been a long time playin' that rock & roll Not a thing can touch us now Gonna rock your town, gonna rock ya' good Drive a big limousine down in Hollywood Even bought a nice home in your neighborhood But we have to keep the curtains down But it was alright, we're gonna rock & roll tonight Hey man don't lean on the record machine Or mess around with the big red light But it was alright, we're gonna rock & roll tonight Momma's on the ground goin' round & round 'Cause her baby's got her jeans too tight ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:18:04 -0700 From: Tyler C.Sherman Sick of listening to anything by Roy? Not likely. But it was a challenge! I know some of the lyrics are open to conjecture, so let the debate begin! I've always felt that "R&R Tonight", which closes the "Eddy..." album, and "Eddy's Rock", which opens it, serve as bookends for the content in between. They are distinctly different from the other songs on the album, which are a tour-de-force of early rock & roll. That the lyrics are often hard to understand actually reflects the records of that period. As a pre-teen, I listened to lots of that stuff and would often wonder about some of the words. But it was the energy of the music that got my attention. Such is the case with "Eddy" in general and "R&R Tonight" in particular. It is a killer track, the energy exuding from it is overwhelming at times. So, no, I'm not sick of it! A fitting conclusion to Roy's attempt at a "concept album". Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:41:32 -0700 From: Joe Doyle From Tyler: >I've always felt that "R&R Tonight", which closes the "Eddy..." album, >and "Eddy's Rock", which opens it, serve as bookends for the content >in between. They are distinctly different from the other songs on the >album, which are a tour-de-force of early rock & roll. I agree regarding R&R Tonight, but I've always thought that Eddy's Rock was based around Henry Mancini/Duane Eddy's Peter Gunn, although I find Eddy's Rock far superior. He doesn't just look great, he sounds great too! I just love the slurping saxes. Who does the voices at the start of this track - is it Rick Price and Ayshea? I'll have to listen to RRT to see if the lyrics are a hit, but my undying admiration goes out to Tyler for even attempting to decipher them, a virtually impossible task. A brilliant, foot stomping song, which really bops along, with great vocals by all three singers (Roy, Bob Brady & Rick Price?), culminating with a great guitar solo and finger fraying piano work. Bloody lovely! ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:28:14 -0700 From: Rich Lamphear Tyler wrote: > I know some of the lyrics are open to conjecture, so let the debate > begin! I always thought it was "Charlie" who was on the ground, going round and round... I figured it was a joke on Charlie Grima! ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:40:21 -0700 From: Joe Doyle Rich Lamphear wrote: >I always thought it was "Charlie" who was on the ground, going round and >round... I've always heard it as 'Johnny's on the ground going round and round, coz his baby cut his jeans too tight' ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:04:00 -0700 From: Richard Messum Now, this is the real thing: RW at his rock 'n' roll best, i love everything about it, from the Chuck Berry guitar licks to the honking saxes to the boogie-woogie piano. It's an epic climax to "Eddy & the Falcons," and a necessary reminder that this music is supposed to be fun. (I don't always agree with Tyler's lyrics, but considering what must have been an Herculean task it would be churlish of me to suggest emendations: not that i have any to suggest anyway and besides, as we all know, the lyrics aren't the point. Fabulous job of deciphering nonetheless.) Great choice as song of the week, too: i've listened to it more often in the past three days than i had in perhaps ten years, and i'd almost forgotten how good it is. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "(We're Gonna) Rock & Roll Tonight" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:51:35 -0700 From: kakman1 What can I say? The best Wizzard song on "Eddy". It's loud, crunchy, blaring and great vocals from Roy and is the other vocalist Rick Price or Charlie Grima? A stunning rock n roll performance with hard to decipher lyrics but who cares 'cos it's fun to listen. Took me long enough to finally appreciate this song (over twenty years). Never heard Cheap Trick's rendition, to my knowledge. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Move reissue and "Message" questions Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:44:26 -0700 From: Sean Keeler Couple of dumb queries from a new digest subscriber ... * Is it true that both the First Light reissues of ELO 2 and Message From The Country have been delayed from July to September ... and possibly into the winter? * And just who the heck is playing bass on the MFTC album, anyway? Ric Price? Woody? Lynne? It occurred to me whilst driving home that there doesn't seem to be any guitar on "It Wasn't My Idea To Dance," just this throbbing, treble-ey bass driving the countermelody along. Leaping bass lines were a Woody trademark ... is he the one playing it, then? Thanks and regards, -- S.M. Keeler, Des Moines, IA ********** Subject: Re: Move reissue and "Message" questions Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:10:12 -0700 From: Bob Hughes >* And just who the heck is playing bass on the MFTC album, anyway? It's mostly Roy isn't it, according to the credits. I think Rick has been mentioned as playing bass on a couple cuts before he left the band. "It Wasn't My Idea to Dance" sounds like more than one bass to me. ********** Subject: Great Move! bonus track Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:44:04 -0700 From: Robert Porter Hi Move fans, Tengo una pregunta. On the 1994 US issued CD called "Great Move! The Best Of The Move", there is a hidden bonus track (#17) that sounds like a radio advertisement for the "Split Endz" album. Does anybody know the origins of this advertisement? Thanks in advance for any info. Robert Porter NP: Er... this "Split Endz" advertisement as a hidden bonus track. :) End of Useless Information #362 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]