[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #368 June 30, 2002 In this issue: * Richard Tandy confirmed for Radio WM interview * Bad news for music fans (cont.) * US Singles Discography * Questions for Danny King needed * Steve Gibbons' Discography * Dave Dee on BBC Radio WM this Tuesday * Shazam * Move U.S. Discography * Jumpin' Biz music * One Man Band album... smells like mustard! * Carl Wayne's radio show on BBC WM in May, 2002 * Topic Of The Week: Another look at "Shazam" * Lynne Me Your Ears - disk 1 ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Richard Tandy confirmed for Radio WM interview Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:18:50 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins The confirmations will be coming in one at a time. Richard Tandy just confirmed. This is your chance to ask him questions, via Carl Wayne. Richard worked with The Move on Blackberry and stood in for Trevor. As you read in Rob's post today, Carl is taking over Malcolm Boyden's lunchtime show (12-2pm) on BBC Radio West Midlands next Tuesday thru Friday. Carl needs questions and song suggestions. Your questions can be directed toward Carl (ask him whatever you like...he's looking forward to your questions!) or his guests. So far, the Move-related guests will be Ace Kefford and Richard Tandy. I know a lot of you have questions for The Singing Skull! Ask him anything - he'll give an honest answer. Carl also needs views and questions from anyone who has visited Birmingham in search of Move and ELO memorabilia. If anyone didn't get Rob's post, let me know and I'll send it off to you right away. Please get your questions to me ASAP. Send them to lhoskins@earthlink.net. Thank you! ********** Subject: Re: Bad news for music fans Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:28:43 -0700 From: Richard Messum John Entwistle's influence was inestimable: he was the first bass player ever to put a bass solo into the top ten, with "My Generation," and Trevor Burton and Rick Price learned their lessons in thundering bass very well. R.I.P., John. All of a sudden i feel very old. ********** Subject: Re: Bad news for music fans Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:16:13 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" While the passing of these great men of the rock era is sad, let us pray for the continuing good health of Roy Wood and all those connected to his muse. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: US Singles Discography Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:16:35 -0700 From: "Mark J. Moerman" A few comments... >I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday / Rock & Roll Winter - United >Artists - 1974 CANCELLED Was this definitely not commercially released? I have a UA test pressing with song titles rubber-stamped onto plain white labels. Is this as far as this single got in the US? >Are You Ready To Rock / Marathon Man - Warner Bros K16497 - 1974 That's a British Warner Bros. catalog number. I never heard of this single coming out in the US, but if it did, it wasn't with that catalog number! >Forever / Woodbe - United Artists UA-XW394-W - 1973 Yes, "Woodbe" is exactly the same recording as "Music To Commit Suicide By," intentionally re-titled as UA apparently feared that the latter title might seem offensive to the tender sensibilities of some folks in the US. Back to lurkerdom... Mark M. ********** Subject: Questions for Danny King needed Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:19:29 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins A few of you have asked me for some info about Danny King so you can ask some good questions. (Please send in questions for all the guests, and Carl, too - we need them!) I'll dig up some stuff on Ace. Here are a few things mentioning Danny that have been posted to the Move List that may give you some ideas... Roy Wood interview, 1974: Goldmine: The Move had quite an eclectic taste in cover songs, from "Stop! Get A Hold Of Myself!" to "California Girls." How did you come to cover those songs? Roy Wood: We used to get a lot of our ideas from a guy in Birmingham who's a singer called Danny King. In fact one of the guys that was in the Move, Trevor Burton, was in his band. Danny King was notorious for having the best record collection in Birmingham. Occasionally we used to go around to his house and say, "What unusual records have you got?" And he used to play us all this stuff. When Roy sat in for Carl Shinn on BBC Radio WM last August, he took a call from Mick Atkins who was asking for old photos of 60's venus for his website. To track down the photos Mick wanted, Roy suggested talking to Danny King, Mike Sheridan, Steve Gibbons, Dave Pritchard, etc. In January 2002 the Birmingham Evening Mail ran a story about Mike Sheridan titled, "Mike's a Country Brum King." An excerpt: "Mike also devotes a lot of time to running a music club which meets monthly at Old Sills Rugby Club in Solihull. People like Steve Gibbons, Kelly Groucutt, Danny King, Wizzard's Rick Price and Diane Lee of Peters and Lee fame are regular visitors who enjoy all-star jam sessions." There was a Keith Smart 'Where Are They Now?' piece in the Evening Mail back in Feb 2000 that mentioned Danny: "Aston-born Keith began drumming at age 15 with The Everglades, which also included Trevor Burton. He went on to play with Danny King and the Jesters, Blaises, The Lemon Tree and The Uglies with Steve Gibbons ("I had the best time ever in The Uglies," he admits.)" This is from the Carl Wayne "Strange Days" interview that Toshiki transcribed for us: [SD] How did Carl Wayne & the Vikings turn into the Move? [CW] There were several bands making a noise in Birmingham, like Carl Wayne & the Vikings, Mike Sheridan & the Nightriders, Danny King & the Mayfair Set and they were all very popular in Birmingham. The Vikings had been to Germany and returned to England to find the Beatles had got an enormous break while we were away. That was just after Love Me Do, their first single, became a huge hit and why record companies were so keen to make contracts with named bands around Liverpool. So we came up with an idea to get Midland musicians together, to form a new group with members selected from the many bands there. The new band should write their own material, find management in London and get big on the national music scene. The musicians who came together were three guys from the Vikings, Bev Bevan on drums, Ace Kefford on bass and me. Roy Wood from the Nightriders and Trevor Burton from the Mayfair Set joined us. In those days, we all went to the Cedar Club in Birmingham every night and chatted. In May 1988 there was a concert in Birmingham at the Solihull Civic and Conference Centre featuring three local bands: 1 - The Applejacks 2 - Gerry Levene and the Avengers (Roy's second group) starring Richard Tandy and David Morgan as the Avengers 3 - Mike Sheridan and the Nightriders Here's some of list member Toby Capstick's report: "It was absolutely brilliant last night... The first act was Gerry Levene and the Avengers, with Richard Tandy on electric piano and David Morgan on bass guitar. Their set was entirely covers from the 60's such as Great Balls of Fire, Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow? and a great rendition of Roll Over Beethoven with Richard playing the start of Beethoven's 5th as ELO do. Half way through, Gerry took a break and Danny King came on to do a couple of songs, including a harmony with David Morgan on Buddy Holly's Everyday. The Applejacks topped the bill, with Mike Sheridan on electric guitar and backing vocals. Mike even took lead vocals for a couple of songs, one of which was Heartbreak Hotel." Danny King & The Mayfair Set - lineup Danny King - lead singer Dennis Ball - bass guitar Trevor Burton - guitar, vocal Roger Harris - organ Keith Smart - drums Bio from John Woodhouse's Brum Beat website: http://members.rogers.com/woodhouse1713/bbhome.htm Birmingham singer Danny King (see Danny King & The Dukes and Danny King & The Royals) put together a new backing group in 1965 called The Mayfair Set which included guitarist Trevor Burton and drummer Keith Smart, both from Aston as well as bass player Dennis Ball. Trevor Burton was born Trevor Ireson and lived in Whitehouse Street, Aston. He started playing guitar at a young age and was leading his own group called The Everglades by 1963. Danny King still retained a recording contract with Columbia Records and his next single recorded with the Mayfair Set and entitled Pretty Things, was released in January 1965. The record may have featured Roy Wood from Mike Sheridan's Nightriders on session guitar, but this and subsequent Mayfair Set singles were unable to gain chart placings. Danny King left The Mayfair Set to become involved with a new group (see Locomotive) and by February 1966, Trevor Burton had also left to become a founding member of The Move and the Mayfair Set disbanded soon after. Drummer Keith Smart also joined a new group in 1967 (see The Lemon Tree) and Dennis Ball joined the Ace Kefford Stand in 1968. Danny King continued to perform and record occasionally throughout the later 1960's and still remains one of the most respected and admired Birmingham vocalists from that era. ********** Subject: Steve Gibbons' Discography Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:52:27 -0700 From: Richard Messum As long as we're doing discographies anyway, i found a site for Steve Gibbons' -- it is http:www.havic.com/havic.htm. Interesting stuff. Cheers, Richard & Co. ("Cats R Us") ********** Subject: Dave Dee on BBC Radio WM this Tuesday Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:48:14 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Looks like Dave Dee (of Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich) will be talking to Carl on Tuesday, July 2, on BBC Radio WM. If things go as planned, there will be time to ask Dave a few questions. I know there are some huge Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich fans on this list. If you have questions for Dave, please get them to me ASAP. ********** Subject: Shazam Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:28:37 -0700 From: Harvey Rubin My favorite Move recording, hands down. Hello Susie has got to be one of the great heavy metal songs ever written and song and the album, truly one of the great lost recordings of all time. By the way, living in New York at the time of its release. The album got alot of air play on the radio as well as all their previous and future material. Unfortunately record sales were never much in the states and the excitement died out and the band long forgotten with the masses. ********** Subject: Move U.S. Discography Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:28:18 -0700 From: "Stephen M.H. Braitman" Thanks, Joseph, for the recap of the Move + related U.S. career. I have nothing to add, except for my opinion that a stock copy of the MGM single, "Chinatown," is probably the rarest Move item in U.S. or perhaps indeed in the world. The promo copy is "relatively" easy to find, but in almost 30 years, I have never found a stock copy. I suspected it was never released in stock, because of the short time before UA bought the rights to the material. HOWEVER, in some Move CD anthology awhile ago -- I can't think of the package just now -- I recall seeing a photograph of an actual stock copy of this single. Imagine my surprise. Similarly, the Idle Race single on UA, "Here We Go Round the Lemon Tree" is relatively easy to find (in promo; stock copies are harder, but they exist). HOWEVER, has anyone ever seen the 2nd US Idle Race single, "The End Of The Road" b/w "The Morning Sunshine" (Liberty 56064). That floored me when I discovered it existed -- theoretically -- not too long ago. Such are the pleasures and frustrations of record collecting. ********** Subject: Re: Move U.S. Discography Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:17:01 -0700 From: Leopard522 (Beth) braitman@mindspring.com writes: >HOWEVER, has anyone ever seen the 2nd US Idle Race single, "The End >Of The Road" b/w "The Morning Sunshine" (Liberty 56064). That floored >me when I discovered it existed -- theoretically -- not too long ago. I have this single, but it has a different catalog number, LBF 15101. ********** Subject: Jumpin' Biz music Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:52:57 -0700 From: "chris roberts" I wonder if anyone can help me out. A friend is trying to find tab, sheet music, scribblings on the back of a fag packet or anything that can help her learn to play First Movement (Jumpin Biz). Anyone got any such please? Thanks in advance. ********** Subject: One Man Band album... smells like mustard! Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:20:15 -0700 From: BigLarry Chris writes: >Would this be the same the UK release 'The Wizzard'? The UK one has a >close-up head & shoulders photo of 'warpainted' Roy on the cover. Is >the US "One Man Band" the same in content & decoration? Hi Chris and all! I'm unfamiliar with "The Wizzard", but the "One Man Band" album was all red, with a smallish picture of Roy in one corner, head-and-shoulders, but without makeup. This was the first piece of Roy solo work I ever had! In fact, I got it thru mail-order, fell in love with the music. This was when I was just starting to learn about him. It was only a few months later, looking at the "Mustard" album in a shop, that I found the songs were the exact same as "One Man Band"!! So, in essence, the album is just the music from Mustard, re-packaged. Larry Harris Irving, Texas ********** Subject: Carl Wayne's radio show on BBC WM in May, 2002 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:39:50 -0700 From: John DeSilva Just finished listening to Carl's show on BBC WM from May (thanks to Helen Macdonald for sending me a copy). Very good show - I even listened to the first segment with the Europe Minister on England switching to Euro currency (being an American I found it very interesting to hear West Midlanders debating an issue important to Great Britain). It also demonstrated how versatile Carl is as a radio host - he was suitably serious and low key during the Euro discussion, then became more jovial and upbeat during his talk with Laurie Hornsby (author of "Brum Rocked!") and the callers. I LOVE music history, especially British Rock 'n' Roll history, so I was thrilled with the discussion of the old days in Birmingham. Great music as well (I love Steve Gibbons Band stuff, so "Tulane" was a nice listen). "Shimmy Shammy Shingle" - that track moves doesn't it? (Carl played an early song from his pre-Vikings days) :-D Carl also played the Carl/Woody song "Hazel Eyes" on the show. I've never heard this one before - I found it amazing that, as Carl points out, the song was recorded 2 weeks after Carl left the Move. This sounds like Roy, as he did with Jeff after leaving ELO, wanting to keep the friendship alive by continuing to work with Carl on his own stuff (I'm sure Carl felt the same way). The one thing about Roy's production is that no matter who the artist, you always know it's Roy producing and playing. A very unique style that - and Carl is in strong voice as always. A nice enough song, but not representative of what Roy was doing with the Move, or what Carl would do shortly thereafter on his first solo album. I get the feeling after listening to the show that Carl can pretty much succeed at whatever endeavor he tries - he really knows people, and is very good at keeping things moving in a very fun way. Finally, Carl thanks (among others) our own Rob Caiger, who was one of the producers of the show. Great job Rob! JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: Topic Of The Week: Another look at "Shazam" Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:07:15 -0700 From: "Stephen M.H. Braitman" >1) Many fans consider "Shazam" to be the band's tour de force. Agree? >Or does that honour go to "Message From The Country"? I first noticed the Move with "Looking On," which is a a sonically much more powerful (some would say cluttered) experience. "Shazam" is more elegant and "classical." As much as I like "Message from the Country," I think it is the weakest of the three; too many joke songs, and the art-rock pretensions are less fully developed than they were in Idle Race or would become in the first Electric Light Orchestra album. >2) Was "Hello Suzie" a precursor to Electric Light Orchestra? Doesn't make sense to me. More like a precursor to Wizzard, if anything. >3) Hindsight is 20/20, but what if "Shazam" had been The Move's first >album release... Well, if released in 1967, that would have been quite noteworthy. Right up there with "SF Sorrow." But, given its release in the days when dino rock (Led Zep, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, et al) was in the ascendancy, the album comes off a bit twee. At least as far as popular tastes of the time. >4) ...Were The Move truly innovators, or just a bit slow to react? Well, the argument is made that the Beatles weren't innovators either, just great synthesists of current modes. (i.e., "Sgt. Pepper" wasn't the first rock opera; they were not the first to do psychedelic music; the beat music of the ir first album was simply typical of what was going on in Liverpool at the time, etc. etc.). So, given that, it's certainly not anywhere near a condemnation to say that The Move lacked originality. Or rather, development of first ideas and concepts. But they certainly took the ideas that were in the air and gave them their own dynamic spin. >6) Did the cover renditions (Side 2) strengthen the album, or weaken >it? How so? They're wonderful, and strengthen it, definitely. Because they're great songs, and the powerful instrumentation and performance by the band showcases some other talent other than songwriting. >7) About the Movements box set liner notes... "a hard album to listen >to." Does anyone concur? Don't recall the comment. They're saying "Shazam" is a hard album to listen to? Hmmm..... >8) And then there's the Record collector review by Peter Doggett: Yes, it's an eclectic brew. Part of its charm. Part of the era, when such mix and matching wasn't viewed as a crime. >9) When you run into someone who has never heard The Move, do you >instinctively reach for "Shazam" as a way to introduce them to your >favorite band? Who listens to full albums these days? I play cuts: "Fire Brigade." "Brontosaurus," "Chinatown," "Down On The Bay," "Feel Too Good" "Last Thing On My Mind" "Tonight," the live EP.... >10) Many feel that Bev's drumming on "Shazam" was the high-point of >his career. Perhaps the same could be said of Rick Price's bass >playing? Doesn't stick in my mind, but wouldn't doubt it. ********** Subject: Lynne Me Your Ears - disk 1 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:53:24 -0700 From: John DeSilva Just received my copy of "Lynne Me Your Ears" - thanks to Rob and Lynn (glad to hear you're well on the mend Rob - back injuries are debilitating as you obviously found out). I've listened to disk one, so here's what I think so far: First of all I find these tribute albums vary wildly in quality and relevance - this one is quite good from what I've heard so far. I like the format of bands operating in the same general genre "power pop" doing their tributes to Jeff's music, and that within the genre you've got new bands and the "old timers" (sorry Todd, Earl, and Tony!). The other thing I find with tribute albums is that the performances either follow the originals faithfully (sometimes to the note which makes me think what's the point?), or they try a totally new take on the song. "Lynne Me Your Ears" seems to have a good mix of both approaches, with varying degrees of success. I've gone on a bit already, so I'll just concentrate on my favorites from disk 1: 10538 Overture - Bobby Sutliff and Mitch Easter: great job from the list's own Bobby, and Mitch, who's been involved in great music for years with his own band Let's Active as well as others. Pretty faithful to the original, but with a bit more of a hard edge to it (which I like!). The sitar-guitar solo at the end is a great touch. Well done lads! ;-D MA MA MA Belle - Earl Slick: Earl's worked with Bowie, fronted his own band, and played sessions for countless others. He does an excellent version, mixing acoustic guitar with his brand of hard rockin' electric. Do Ya - Jason Faulkner: I always loved Jellyfish, and Jason does a fine job putting his stamp on the Move/ELO classic. I liked the way he mixes the Move and ELO versions. Rockaria! - Pat Buchanan: first of all let me express my relief that this Pat wasn't the politician, but the musician - whew! ;-) Really great rocked up version - and "opera chick" K.K. Faulkner: any relation to Jason? Steppin' Out - Carl Wayne: this is a really interesting version - very theatrical, orchestral but subtly so, and Carl's voice is up front (as it should be!). This is one where you should forget the original version, and enjoy it for the strength and emotion of Carl's performance. One Summer Dream - Prairie Sons and Daughters: the gem in the collection so far in my estimation. Prairie Prince has done great work with both the Tubes and on the latter day XTC albums, and he hits the mark totally with this version. Another one (like "Steppin' Out") where one needs to forget the original version and get into the presentation of a great song by a great band. Funnily enough, the first couple of minutes into this one I wasn't really impressed - probably because I was too into comparing it to the original. But the last half of the track won me over totally - they go into "In Old England Town" instrumentally, then back into "One Summer Dream", and Prairie's drumming is incredible. Disk 2 coming up soon ... JD San Jose, CA End of Useless Information #368 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]