[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #434 January 5, 2003 In this issue: * The Bullfrog Speaks! * Trevor Burton Band in Nuneaton tonight * More "Flowers In The Rain" feedback * Song Of The Week (week of 12/30): "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" * Move literary references * Status Quo's "I Can Hear The Grass Grow" * Roy's greatest song? (cont.) ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: The Bullfrog Speaks! Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:31:18 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins I'm so pleased to tell you that Bev Bevan has agreed to answer questions from the Move List. His replies will be posted to the list for everyone to read. Ask him anything pertaining to The Move, pre-Move, current and future projects, his weekly radio show, etc. Really the only topics he doesn't want to tackle are ELO and ELO Part II. Rather than answer a whole stack of questions in one sitting, he wants to do it on an ongoing basis. Which is good for both him and us. Send your questions to me at lhoskins@earthlink.net. He'd like to get started on a few next week. ********** Subject: Trevor Burton Band in Nuneaton tonight Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 04:24:03 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins The Trevor Burton Band is a "hangover alternative," according to the Coventry Evening Telegraph. Sure is a lot more enjoyable than the usual headache remedy! The band will playing tonight (Sunday) at the Nag's Head in Queens Road, Nuneaton, Warwickshire. If anyone on the list can go to the gig, please let us know how it went? The phone number of the pub is 024-7632-5581. Here's a nice promo blurb that ran in Friday's Evening Telegraph... GO! THE LIMIT: HANGOVER ALTERNATIVES Coventry Evening Telegraph; Coventry (UK) January 3, 2003 by Dayle Crutchlow Nuneaton's Nag's Head continues where it left off, making a good start to the year with a return appearance by The Trevor Burton Band on Sunday. Burton was the founder member of The Move, sealing his place as a rock legend with hits like Blackberry Way and Flowers in the Rain, which has the distinction of being the first record ever played on Radio One. The Trevor Burton Band are regarded as one of the biggest and best blues rock acts in the country, with Trevor Burton often described by his peers as "the guitarist's guitarist". As well as The Move he also played alongside legends like Jimi Hendrix, John Cale and Robert Plant. When the band first appeared at the Queens Road pub back in 2001 it seemed to kick start something of a renaissance at the Nag's, which has moved itself about, put in a proper stage and sound system and starting getting in some good quality acts. The next stage, according to landlord Julian Harkins, is to start putting on some decent original bands. He says: "I'd like to get an original bands' night going in here 'cos there's just nowhere for them to play in Nuneaton." © 2003 Coventry Newspapers Ltd. ********** Subject: Re: Flowers in the Rain/Wilson issue Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:17:24 -0800 From: kakman1 David.Friedman writes: ".. any press is GOOD press." Well, I was gonna' argue that point with a very recent example from D.C. and Mississippi, but I'm gonna' let it pass, as Lynn, quite rightly doesn't like to let politics be discussed on this list. But I have been thinking about an earlier point brought up about The Move's early image (image, I repeat, image) as anarchist punks, and if crossing the tracks out on the compiliation serves that purpose, so be it. If you wanna' be a real anarchist punk, nevermind passing out new prints of the infamous postcard in protest, digitally on Internet or on paper to list members as protestational keepsakes, print it up as T-shirts and wear it proudly in broad daylight in London, Birmingham and Liverpool. Sell it, give it away, I'm not bothered. Send one especially to the Trustees. Don't forget to send a few to all the right media outlets, not the music rags, mind you, I mean The Sun, The Mirror, the Express, the Times, the ITV's and BBC's. That'll get attention and all media you need. Back in the spotlight. Don't be polite. Anarchists are not genteel and think of themselves not of the law, anyway. Take the case to court this time. Show 'em you mean business. That's show business! Which in the end, what this whole sorry affair is about (business, that is). Many of us list members who know the general story, all feel to one degree or another, that what happened to Roy and the boys is a great injustice. In principal, Roy should be exonerated and Secunda should be hauled in front of the court and take the heat and explain himself (let him front the court costs, etcetera, that would be justice!) How much is Secunda worth now? He must be fairly comfortable now? Secunda saved his hiney and used the band as his scapegoat, he's the real villain not Harold Wilson and trustees. Isn't it time he should pay? Wilson was just some Upper Sixth member who got his reputation besmirched by some mischievous fifth former who managed to blame it all on some snot-nosed unruly and impressionable second formers under his wing, and the quiet nerd of the lot got to be the brunt of the punishment. Couldn't Roy and the boys sue Secunda, since Roy was underage (wasn't he?) at the time of the incident? If Roy cannot wrest his royalties from the Trustees, at least he can get some satisfaction at last from Secunda? Or let Wilson's reputation and the Trustees profit from Secunda's bank account from now on. Meanwhile, old copies of "Flowers" and "Lemon" on CD and vinyl go up in price astronomically due to unavailabilty of new issues. Roy and Move fans grumble and pony up to add to their collections .... Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Flowers in the Rain/Wilson issue Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:44:50 -0800 From: "Lynnette Cannell" Kevin wrote: > Secunda should be hauled in front of the court and take the heat and > explain himself (let him front the court costs, etcetera, that would > be justice!) How much is Secunda worth now? He must be fairly > comfortable now? Secunda saved his hiney and used the band as his > scapegoat, he's the real villain not Harold Wilson and trustees. > Isn't it time he should pay? Erm... Kevin.... whilst I appreciate your sentiments, wouldnt it be rather difficult to sue Secunda? I may be wrong, but think he is deceased........ Also, isnt your idea about being "anarchist" and sending out t-shirts with the original imagery on not unlike the tactics of the man himself? I think I am right in saying that the image itself is still liable to action, if replicated anywhere else. I have followed the debate with considerable interest, and have reached the view that it would be better to release the cd WITHOUT the two tracks, giving the reason why. In fact, I feel they should, indeed, delete these two tracks from any further catalogues. Such a move might force the trustees into court to ask why the constant dribble of funds has ceased - this might, in turn, allow the unfairnesses of the original judging to be aired and possibly, to be changed. In any case, as many have said, the tracks are not hard to come by, and the publicity generated by such a move would, in addition, benefit both the sales of the cd, raise the profile of band members, particularly Roy, and possibly result in the case being taken up by one of the television progs that look at injustices in the legal system. These programmes have resulted in changes of original judgements on more than one occasion in the past. I am sure that the majority of the public at the time are unaware of the details and unfairnesses of the case, and most would have considered that the band took a chance and whilst losing the dosh from the record, gained in publicity. If the trustees fail to take their own legal action, I wonder if legal action to request, since Wilson is now dead, the rescinding of the original order might not now be within reasonable costs? At the very least, the band should be able to be furnished with details of the exact amount of monies that has yearly gone into the trustees' coffers, and to which charities etc., it has been allocated. ********** Subject: Re: Flowers in the Rain/Wilson issue Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:38:33 -0800 From: kakman1 Ack! Just found out Secunda has been dead of a heart attack since 10 Feb 1995. Somebody go be rude on his grave or something next for me, will ya? Can't sue the dead, can you? No, didn't think so! Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Your Feedback Needed... Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:36:00 -0800 From: "Michael J. Cross" I would be interested in knowing more about the Wilson Trust. Do the confiscated royalties go to some cause that we could mostly agree was a good one? Maybe the money has been put to good use over the years and perhaps someone's life was affected for the better because of Roy's songwriting genius, even if indirectly and unintentionally. I have to say in all honesty that I wouldn't miss either song overmuch, especially if the leftover CD space was put to good use! At the risk of repeating myself: MORE LIVE MOVE! Mike Cross In snowy Rochester, NY ********** Subject: Flowers down the drain Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:33:43 -0800 From: PrimoChuck I have been reading so much activity on this list recently that I had a dream that the Move had reunited...... I think the idea that the two tracks be only selectively reissued (on a complete Move project or for the original album) is a fine one. Not only does the Wilson estate get their clutches on fewer funds, but the idea may get a little publicity as well..... As far as the songs being available to download from a website, aren't there other parties that have financial interest in those songs that may object? For instance, whatever record company owns those tracks may not want them to be given away for free..... ********** Subject: Re: Flowers debate Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:35:33 -0800 From: Bob Hughes Attempting to reach for a consensus: Leave them on any reissue of the first album (because to do otherwise would mess up the history.) Leave them OFF any other compilation (with the note explaining why.) That way people who want them and need them can still get them. And people who are just "wandering by" will get the message. Bob Hughes "If you don't know where you're going, any road will do." - George Harrison, R.I.P. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:33:17 -0800 From: "andrew torok" seasonal greetings, i remember buying the single back in 1981?. after hereing it on radio 1 (i think i only ever heard it once!). it was a shame because it could of been a hit with more airplay. the original version on cheapstate i think sounds better than the later remixed version. along with the batch of singles he released around that time (rock ciy, green glass windows, down to zero) roy was writing songs equally as good as the earier move songs and better than the stuff he did during the mid 70's (wizzo band, mustard). yes "sing out the old bring in the new" great song. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:03:17 -0800 From: John DeSilva I just listened to the 1985 version this morning on my iPod (from "Exotic Mixture") - it's a pleasant enough holiday tune, and probably with the right promotion might have been another Woody holiday perennial, but still can't touch "I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday" for sheer songwriting brilliance. Question for the Move/Wizzard/Woody-ologists out there who have both versions - are they two separate songs? Or is the Legacy version a remix of the 1980 version? Which is better? JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:16:45 -0800 From: Joe Ramsey John DeSilva wrote: >Question for the Move/Wizzard/Woody-ologists out there who have both >versions - are they two separate songs? Or is the Legacy version a >remix of the 1980 version? Which is better? Dear John. They are completely different recordings. I prefer the earlier, Cheapskate (record label), version. Plus the b-side of the single, "Watch This Space." is a really cool Woody instrumental. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:48:09 -0800 From: John DeSilva Joe wrote: > They are completely different recordings. I prefer the earlier, > Cheapskate (record label), version. Plus the b-side of the single, > "Watch This Space." is a really cool Woody instrumental. Thank you Joe! I've not heard "Watch This Space" ... I'll have to see if I can get my hands on that one. Oh Robbbbb .... so when's Repertoire putting out their "Roy Wood's Helicopters - Singles As and Bs" comp?!?!?!? ;-d JD San Jose, CA NP. "Green Glass Windows" ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:05:14 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" John DeSilva wrote: > Oh Robbbbb .... so when's Repertoire putting out their "Roy Wood's > Helicopters - Singles As and Bs" comp?!?!?!? ;-d What we really need is a 4 cd box set that covers all of the Roy Wood solo singles A&B sides which also includes all the Wizzard, Helicopters, Wizzo,Annie Haslam, Carl Wayne, Darts, Beach Boys and any other thing i may of missed here which is post Move and got Roy Wood on it. ********** Subject: Move literary references Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:49:07 -0800 From: Richard Messum Bob wrote: "If you don't know where you're going, any road will do." - George Harrison, R.I.P." I just bought the "new" George Harrison album, "Brainwashed" (produced, as i'm sure you all realise, by Jeff Lynne) yesterday. I've listened to it twice so far and i think it's great, one of his best (which makes his untimely demise even more tragic, if this was the musical direction in which he was heading). Bob quoted one of the songs (above), and the following is from "Alice in Wonderland." Alice came to a fork in the road. "'Would you tell me, please, which way i ought to go from here?' 'That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said the [Cheshire]Cat. 'I don't much care where --' said Alice. 'Then it doesn't matter which way you go,' said the Cat. Everything old is new again. John Lennon was, of course, a huge fan of "Alice in Wonderland." And "The piper at the gates of dawn" is a chapter in "Wind in the willows." Literary references in the works of The Move, anyone? ********** Subject: Re: Move literary references Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:12:58 -0800 From: "Boz Mdcn" >Literary references in the works of The Move, anyone? 'Like a tea-tray in the sky' (Cherry Blossom Clinic) From Alice In Wonderland ch 7 ********** Subject: Re: Move literary references Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:05:34 -0800 From: John DeSilva > Literary references in the works of The Move, anyone? "I Can Hear The Grass Grow" was a line from a Tennessee Williams play (according to Bev's liner notes from "The Best Of The Move"). Anybody know which play? JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Status Quo's "I Can Hear The Grass Grow" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 23:44:33 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins I've had some questions about Status Quo's cover of "I Can Hear The Grass Grow" (i.e. what album is it on, what else is on it, is it available, is the Move cover any good?) I can answer the first three questions. The album title and track listing are below. Amazon.com lists it as available. If anyone on the list has heard the Move cover, what do you think of it? Status Quo - Don't Stop (February 5, 1996) Universal/Polydor 1. Fun Fun Fun (B. Wilson/M. Love) 2. When You Walk In The Room (Del Shannon) 3. I Can Hear The Grass Grow (Roy Wood) 4. You Never Can Tell (Chuck Berry) 5. Get Back (Lennon/McCartney) 6. Safety Dance (Ivan Doroscuk - Men Without Hats) 7. Raining In My Heart (Boudleaux/Felice Bryant) feat. Brian May 8. Don't Stop (Christine McVie) 9. Sorrow (Feldman/Goldstein/Gottehrer) 10. Proud Mary (John Fogerty) 11. Lucille (A. Collins / R. Penniman) 12. Johnny And Mary (Robert Palmer) 13. Get Out Of Denver (Bob Seger) 14. The Future's So Bright (P. MacDonald - Timbuk 3) 15. All Around My Hat (Steeleye Span) ********** Subject: Re: Status Quo's "I Can Hear The Grass Grow" Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:46:56 -0800 From: "Steve Graham" >If anyone on the list has heard the Move cover, what do you think of it? It's typical Quo!...they never vary much...never needed to... ********** Subject: Re: Status Quo's "I Can Hear The Grass Grow" Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 04:31:50 -0800 From: "Rockin' Reggie Lee" Hi all! I'm a huge Quo fan and have obviously heard the track. IT'S GREAT!!! The album got to number 2 in the charts, so a very successful album of covers! ICHTGG uses a 'spacey' voice effect in places which makes it sound authentic. Check it out if you can, certainly worth it! And, look out for a new Quo covers album this year. They didn't want to do it, but because of the record company contract, they had to. They are saying that it's some of the heaviest material yet! Lee :o) ********** Subject: Re: Roy's greatest song? Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:16:44 -0800 From: BigLarry26 John Collins writes re: Rock n Roll Winter: >This is just an amazing piece of song writing. It just thunders in, >and never lets up. The Wizzard period has been mentioned to a >likeness to the Phil Spector "Wall of Sound". Never has that been >more appropriate than this song. > >God knows how many instruments are on it, there seems to be a >different one every time I hear it. The lyrics are imaginative, and >only Roy could have a hit with this in the Spring. Had this been >released in Winter, I think it would have been another number one. > >My only wish is, that Roy would play this live. It would suit the >Army. The only reason I am guessing that he doesn't, is (as >mentioned) the complexity of the song. When I think about it, it is >the one Wizzard big hit that is missing in his live performances. Hi John! Still had this in my mailbox! I completely agree on points 1 and 2. However, I'm sure the Army could work it out. IF they can play House of Love, they can do anything!! And yes, he should include it in the show now. Cheers! Larry End of Useless Information #434 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]