[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #437 January 14, 2003 In this issue: * Move "Duets" * In Concrete * Bill Hunt interview and Will Hunt CD * Photo of Carl Wayne in Eric Burden book * Roy's natural progression? (cont.) * Song Of The Week (week of 1/6): "What?" * Fairport Convention & Roy * Upcoming gigs for Trevor / Carl (w/the Hollies) * Need lyrics for "Meet Me at the Jailhouse" * Maurice Gibb R.I.P. ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Move "Duets" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:09:31 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins This topic was suggested to me a while back, and it's such a good one I decided to save it for the new year. Remember the Frank Sinatra "Duets" album? The one that paired Sinatra's voice with other big name singers? It features U2's Bono singing a "duet" with Sinatra on "I've Got You Under My Skin," Tony Bennett on "New York, New York," Gloria Estefan on "Come Rain or Come Shine," etc. How about a Move "Duets" album? What singers would you like to hear paired with members of The Move, and what Move/Roy Wood songs should they do? For example: Roy Wood & Brian Wilson - "Forever" (backed by Brian's touring band) Put together a complete album (consisting of around a dozen tracks) or make just a few suggestions. ********** Subject: Re: Move "Duets" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:10:25 -0800 From: "David Woodier" All are with Roy Paul Weller - Beautiful Daughter (Because Paul likes it) Liam Gallagher - You Can Dance The Rock N Roll (Great singer - nothing else!) Dido - I Never Believed In Love ('cos I don't like Annie's voice - sorry. But great song) Ozzie O - Wild Tiger Woman (Absolute headcase but brilliant singer) Ayshea - Farewell (Would just love to hear Roy singing this) Elvis P - California Man (The greatest singer EVER singing a great RnR song!) Beatles - Fire Brigade (The masters doing a classic pop song) Robbie Williams - Down To Zero (Could have been written for him!) Neil Diamond - Blackberry Way (Good + Good + excellent song = hmmm!) Roy Orbison - Flowers In The Rain (2nd only to Elvis for voice) Paul Rodgers - Brontosaurus (If he sang it like All Right Now - WOW) Jeff Lynne - Ball Park Incident (Could have been the Cali Man/10538 natural progression) Roy Wood - All his material (Nobody does it better than the man himself!) ********** Subject: Re: Move "Duets" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:10:13 -0800 From: John DeSilva Lynn Hoskins wrote: >How about a Move "Duets" album? What singers would you like to >hear paired with members of The Move, and what Move/Roy Wood songs >should they do? I'll have more later, but it just occurred to me how sad it is that Ol' Blue Eyes is gone - we might have been able to get him in the studio for "Move Duets with the Chairman Of The Board": "Ring A Ding Ding Zing (went the strings of my heart)" - Francis Albert and Basher Bev "When coo coo Alice Comes Back to the Groovy Farm" - Frankie and Woody "Down On The Bay MY WAY" - Sinatra & Lynne Just a few groovy suggestions for you cats to dig ... J "how's your bird" D San Jose, CA ********** Subject: In Concrete Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 02:07:31 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Kevin K. wrote: >After thinking about this more, I remember a posting to this list >earlier, >where it was mentioned that "Eddy and The Falcons" was >originally meant to >be a double long player set. One disc would >have the familiar rock'n'roll >pastiches that we all know and love, >and the second disc would be more >jazz-fusion numbers presented as >a faux live recording at a night club >complete with an emcee. Kevin, I found the post you're referring to (below). For those not in the UK, what is the significance of "Ronald Botts" and "Eddy WornOut"? Re-post: Subject: Re: Eddy And The Falcons...as it was envisioned Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:13:30 -0700 From: Rob Caiger >I understand that Eddy was originally gonna be a Double LP, the second >half being in the progressive jazz vein of Wizzard's b-sides, Rock 'n' roll (Eddy), classical, jazz and country. >...that idea was shelved because the record company had a failure of >nerve and those tracks were never mastered and were shelved. Roy never finished the songs (where have I heard that before...) so Eddy was released as is. I've found all the session multitracks, outtakes and stuff and there is some stunning material there, especially a rather loose (in a good way) concept section, entitled "Mike Burney In Concrete". Roy directs and recreates a jazz club in the recording studio called "Ronald Botts" with Wizzard and Ayshea making up the audience, clinking glasses and heckling the MC, Eddy WornOut (Rick Price) before he introduces each member of the Mike Burney Band. Typically, Wizzard all swap instruments for the track.... It all screams "box set release", hopefully for the future. We have an interesting case of multiple ownership on the tapes - the session multitracks are on EMI (which is where they are kept after having been lost since 1976), the original 2-track stereo album on Warner Bros., with ownership reverting to Dartbill (Don Arden) during the late seventies, then being lost before ending up owned by Trojan, then licensed to Demon / Westside, then the Trojan rights (and tapes) sold to Sanctuary a year ago, which is where the masters now reside. And we haven't even got to Roy yet, who would no doubt want to remix and re-record the whole thing, disappearing into a studio for a further 10 years. All good fun.... Best - Rob ********** Subject: Re: In Concrete Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:30:24 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" We, or should i say i, would love this to be released without any overdubs being put on now. I believe they would give a insight into what was going on that would be priceless. I was given some Beatles bootleg CD'S by my MOM! True this i kid you not. This was in 1989 and they showed an amazing insight into how songs evolved and also songs that did not get released at the time. A few got released on the Anthology CD'S a few years back. Restore but do not put new parts to them, raw early versions can be just has much fun! Like a pre take 1 of A Hard Days Night which has a guitar solo which is utter disaster for George, as i said 'priceless' alas no artist likes these out which is a shame, they give an insight which a correct take never will. ********** Subject: Re: In Concrete Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:30:39 -0800 From: Mike F Rob Caiger wrote: >...there is some stunning material there, especially a rather loose (in a >good way) concept section, entitled "Mike Burney In Concrete". Roy >directs and recreates a jazz club in the recording studio called >"Ronald Botts" with Wizzard and Ayshea making up the audience, clinking >glasses and heckling the MC, Eddy WornOut (Rick Price) before he >introduces each member of the Mike Burney Band. Great minds think alike. Frank Zappa did something quite similar for his track "America Drinks And Goes Home" where in the background of the song he tried to simulate the crowd sounds of a sleazy cocktail bar including clinking glasses: "We spent hours putting that together. Herbie Cohen was playing the cash register. We rehearsed the crowd noises. The talk track is funny because they are saying things like "I got a new Mustang" and the girls are saying: "Sally, will you go with me to the bathroom?" you know that stuff. The crowd mumble was carefully programmed, like choreographed. Then on top of that, which you can't even hear, there's a fight going on. [listen carefully, you can] We had the crowd separated into two rooms. In the main studio we had ten people sitting around the microphone, doing these lines on cue, with the cash register over here and the glass on one microphone." Frank Zappa from http://www.arf.ru/Notes/Afree/adrng.html Unfortunately, all of these details are almost completely inaudible on the finished track. I also don't think much of the song in the foreground but the album it's on, "Absolutely Free," contains some classic Zappa material. ********** Subject: Re: In Concrete Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:00:26 -0800 From: "Paul" Lynn asked: >I found the post you're referring to (below). For those not in the >UK, what is the significance of "Ronald Botts" and "Eddy WornOut"? A couple of suggestions: Ronald Botts presumably would be a reference to Ronnie Scott's famous Jazz Club in London's Soho http://www.ronniescotts.co.uk/ I'm less certain about Eddy WornOut but it may be meant to refer to Eddie Waring the BBC sports commentator whose broad northern accent was much imitated by impressionists in the 70's. http://www.northflow.fsnet.co.uk/eddie_waring.html He was a household name at the time the recording was made. He commentated on rugby league but achieved celebrity by co-hosting that curious European TV game-show 'It's a Knockout/Jeux Sans Frontieres'. IAK/JSF was too complicated a phenomenon to go into here (and would take me way off-topic) but I've included a link for anyone that is interested http://www.ukgameshows.com/atoz/programmes/i/its_a_knockout/ It's a wonderful rock 'n' roll winter ********** Subject: Bill Hunt interview and Will Hunt CD Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:52:53 -0800 From: "Martin Kinch" Hello, and a belated Happy New Year to you all. I wondered if some of you might be interested in an interview I did with Bill Hunt a couple of years ago, I've just put the first part on my site at http://martinkinch.members.beeb.net/bill.html Bill has recently worked on a CD recorded by his son,Will. I've spoken to Will tonight and asked if he wanted me to pass on details of this CD to anyone that might be interested and he said it would be great if I could. In fact he has just set up his own web site at http://www.willhunt.co.uk/ Here you can hear samples from the album, Find out where he is playing and read a great review by "The critic". There are also details on how to buy the CD as well as Will's e mail address info@willhunt.co.uk At the moment there are no details as to how people from outside the UK can pay. I think he wants to see if there is any interest first and he'd be happy to hear from anyone that might be interested in buying a copy. ********** Subject: Photo - Carl Wayne Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:19:28 -0800 From: "Stephen Murphy" I received a copy of "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood," a book by Eric Burden (also a great singer) and on page 125 is a group photo of Jimi Hendrix, Eric Burden, John Mayall, Steve Winwood and Carl Wayne from a music festival back in the day. What a great picture. Have a Great Day, Steve from the USA ********** Subject: Re: Roy's natural progression? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:00:35 -0800 From: "Joseph Davolt" Richard wrote: >I assume it is now too late for Roy to buy out all ownership of the >catalogue, if it could be found, and even if it were the cost might be >prohibitive. Actually, in the early-to-mid-90's The Pretty Things began to gain ownership of their catalouge. And they, like Roy, recorded for several different labels. The legal wrangling took a while, but they managed to get back everything eventually, then had them all re-issued their way. ********** Subject: Re: Roy's natural progression? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 02:50:27 -0800 From: Keith Fletcher I believe that a couple of there albums when reissued were still licensed from the original record label, the two Warner Brother albums Crosstalk and Freeway Madness. That said there manager did a very good job and if you read Alan Lakeys book on the Pretty Things, it would appear that a lot of hard work and many years wrangling went on just to wrestle there catalogue and master tapes from EMI and Polydor. I believe that this is the kind of thing that Rob C. is trying to do in a different way without resorting to Court cases but by patient persuasion just to put together a credible release schedule schedule for both Move and Roy Wood/Wizzard Wizzo.... albums maybe with Bonuses and one or two new albums thrown in the much anticipated Move Live album. ********** Subject: Re: Roy's natural progression? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 01:02:11 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" I think its time the Move and Roy start looking into buying all the ownerships back. It will give them all complete control on their works and keep then in safe hands. If i were wealthy i would buy them myself. Any one got a spare Million or two i will put it to good use, lol. ********** Subject: Re: Roy's natural progression Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:19:38 -0800 From: "DAVID BURLEY" Kevin Kunreuther wrote: >After thinking about this more, I remember a posting to this list >earlier, where it was mentioned that "Eddy and The Falcons" was >originally meant to be a double long player set. One disc would have >the familiar rock'n'roll pastiches that we all know and love, and >the second disc would be more jazz-fusion numbers presented as a >faux live recording at a night club complete with an emcee. I recall Roy being interviewed on BBC Radio 1 one evening in 1973/4 in which he said that the planned second Wizzard album would have a different style of music on each of the four vinyl sides! He then played one of the 'jazz' tracks. Can't remember much about it except that it was an instrumental. Can anyone add to this? ********** Subject: Re: Roy's natural progression Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:50:49 -0800 From: "Bob Samuel" David, I taped that interview at the time, and although I still have the tape (I think!), it's all but unplayable now. remember the track was called "Somebody's Been Welding", and I think Roy described it at the time as "the first jazz thing I ever wrote". ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "What?" Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:41:44 -0800 From: Richard Messum Love it, love it, LOVE IT! Right from the beginning, that major to minor transposition, copped from the opening of "Thus spake Zarathustra" obviously, this (IMHO) was Jeff Lynne's first major contribution to the band and indicated a new direction for them: from the superb to the even better (sorry, i'm not very articulate). It's very dramatic, and that's one of the things i always loved about The Move: their ability to "do" drama. Some of Bev's best drumming, too! As to what the lyrics mean, i have no idea. Does it matter? ********** Subject: Fairport Convention & Roy Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:42:09 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" I was at my local library today and came across a Fairport Convention CD titled "Wishfulness Waltz". Lo & behold, there is a track on it that features Roy and the Big Band (the band is not credited, only Roy, but you can tell it's them) live with Richard Thompson at Cropredy circa 1995. I was aware that Roy & band had played there a few times but this is the first recorded evidence I've seen. They do a cover of "I Heard It Thru The Grapevine" with Richard on lead vocal. No vocal help from Roy but the band sounds superb and Roy's guitar can be heard prominently. At the end of the track an announcer yells Roy's name. For completists on this list who may want to hunt this down, here is the label & cat. # : Trojan 06076-80228-2. Oh, that more of Roy's set at Cropredy would see the light of day... Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Fairport Convention & Roy Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:14:37 -0800 From: Richard Messum Fairport Convention's version of "I heard it through the grapevine," with Richard Thompson singing lead and backing by the Roy Wood Big Band (Roy on rhythm guitar), also appears on Fairport's "Who knows where the time goes?" album, on the Woodworm label (WRCD025). ********** Subject: Upcoming gigs for Trevor / Carl (w/the Hollies) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:13:42 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Here are some upcoming dates for Trevor and Carl (with the Hollies) so you can plan ahead. Note that The Trevor Burton Band will be playing at this year's Cropredy Festival in August. Carl's first date back on stage with the Hollies will be February 26th in St. Albans at the Albans Arena. What a great show that will be! THE TREVOR BURTON BAND January 2003 Sat 11 Green Snooker Club Digbeth, Birmingham Mon 13 The Old Railway Digbeth, Birmingham Fri 17 The Old Mill Northfield, Birmingham Sat 18 Marr's Bar Worcester Mon 20 The Old Railway Digbeth, Birmingham Fri 24 The Old Mill Northfield, Birmingham Sun 26 Epic Bar Bromsgrove, Worcestershire Mon 27 The Old Railway Digbeth, Birmingham Fri 31 The Old Mill Northfield, Birmingham February 2003 Mon 03 The Old Railway Digbeth, Birmingham Fri 07 Schofields Great Barr, Birmingham Sat 08 Big Break Snooker Club Wednesbury, West Midlands Mon 10 The Old Railway Digbeth, Birmingham Fri 14 The Old Mill Northfield, Birmingham Mon 17 The Old Railway Digbeth, Birmingham Thu 20 Borderline Club Telford, Shropshire Fri 21 The Old Mill Northfield, Birmingham Mon 24 The Old Railway Digbeth, Birmingham Fri 28 New Pokey Hole Swadlincote, Derbyshire March 2003 Sat 01 The Station Kingsheath, Birmingham Thu 13 Beepy's Blues Club Frimley Green, Surrey Sat 22 The Chestnut Tree Sheldon, Birmingham April 2003 Sat 26 The Station Kingsheath, Birmingham May 2003 Fri 09 Schofields Great Barr, Birmingham June 2003 Sat 28 Nidd Hall - Blues Fest Harrogate, North Yorkshire August 2003 Fri 08 Cropredy Festival http://www.faircrop.co.uk/crop2003/ For more info: http://i.am/trevor.burton THE HOLLIES February 2003 Wed 26 Alban Arena St. Albans Thu 27 City Hall Hull March 2003 Sat 01 Derngate Northampton Sun 02 Theatre Royal Norwich Wed 05 Royal Concert Hall Nottingham Thu 06 Central Theatre Chatham Fri 07 Wells Assembly Halls Turnbridge Sat 08 Corn Exchange Kings Lynn Wed 12 Beck Theatre Hayes, Middlesex Fri 14 Corn Exchange Cambridge Sat 15 Charter Hall Colchester Sun 16 The Anvil Basingstoke Thu 20 Town Hall Cheltenham Fri 21 Symphony Hall Birmingham Sat 22 Cologne Arena Cologne, Germany Fri 28 Schleyer Halle Stuttgart, Germany Sat 29 Schleyer Halle Stuttgart, Germany April 2003 Wed 02 Cliffs Pavilion Southend Thu 03 Opera House Buxton Fri 04 Pennington's Live Bradford Sun 06 Pavilion Theatre Bournemouth Convention Wed 23 Royal Spa Centre Leamington Spa Thu 24 Fairfield Hall Croydon Fri 25 Civic Guildford Sat 26 Guild Hall Preston Tue 29 Wycombe Swan High Wycombe Wed 30 Assembly Rooms Derby May 2003 Fri 02 Kongrescenter Herning, Denmark Sat 03 TBA Esbjerg, Denmark Sun 04 The Concert Hall Aarhus, Denmark Sat 10 Hallenstadion Zurich, Switzerland For more info: http://www.hollies.co.uk ********** Subject: Need lyrics for "Meet Me at the Jailhouse" Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:14:38 -0800 From: amos ungar Can anyone please help me out? I am going crazy trying to find out the lyrics for "Meet Me at the Jailhouse" (I have an old LP but without any jacket). ********** Subject: Re: Need lyrics for "Meet Me at the Jailhouse" Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:37:41 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" >Can anyone please help me out? I am going crazy trying to find out the >lyrics for "Meet Me at the Jailhouse" (I have an old LP but without >any jacket). Here you go Amos, taken from the lyric insert to UK LP... Here's the bar, where's the car Take me back to Birmingham I ain't gonna walk to far Maybe we could steal a van I ain't had a meal for weeks Bring a sack of food outside Got no money unless we cheat Go for a little ride Chorus She just got me hung so I wont be long You can meet me at the jailhouse Well they took my mail and my fingernails Till you meet me at the jailhouse Come and get all the things you need 'Cos they really gonna kick me down This little girl seemed so keen Stopped me in the country road Worked the scene, under 15 Her momma really got me sold. Chorus ********** Subject: Maurice Gibb R.I.P. Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:15:13 -0800 From: Richard Messum Sad news once again, Maurice Gibb of the Bee Gees has died at the age of 53. The BBC's story is at http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/1/hi/entertainment/music/2650117.stm R.I.P ********** Subject: Another sad day Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:25:53 -0800 From: Andrew Footman This seems to happen all too often these days. A sad day again we have lost a great artist. Maurice Gibb along with his brothers wrote for themselves and others some of the greatest pop music to grace the charts. The Bee Gees will never be the same without his wonderful harmonies. His family and friends have lost a great artist at a very untimely age, we will all miss him. RIP Maurice Gibb you will not be forgotten. End of Useless Information #437 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]