[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #439 January 27, 2003 In this issue: * The Move used as intro music on UK TV show * Wizzard Vespa * "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner (cont.) * The list has gone very quiet * Wizzard ringtone * Remastered "Message From The Country" * Song Of The Week (week of 1/27): "Useless Information" * It's all furry and stuff * Roy Wood's Army / Steve Gibbons at the Robin ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: The Move used as intro music on UK TV show Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:54:32 -0800 From: "Bev Howard" Was just flipping through the channels on TV here in the UK, and happened to catch the beginning of a TV show called When Tennis Ruled The World (I think it's a repeat actually). The BBC thought they'd put it on prior to their live coverage of the Aussie Open final. Nobody was more surprised than I was to hear the unmistakable strains of the intro to The Move's Feel Too Good used as the music over the opening titles! They only used about half a minute or so of it (a minute at the very most), but you couldn't miss it! Shame I didn't tape it! Bev London, England ********** Subject: Re: The Move used as intro music on UK TV show Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:56:30 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" It is a shame that they never list the artist and music at the end of these programs. I bet there was a lot of people you watched that and liked that Move intro. Only trouble is they will not have a clue who it was. The lp is that obscure the program maker must have been a fan of the Move. Many times i have heard great stuff used on TV but again never knew who or what it was. I bet you have been in the same boat has well. We could have had a few more fans on board the ship but that moment sank to the bottom of the sea. ********** Subject: Wizzard Vespa Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:05:01 -0800 From: humphries I am currently customizing a 1970s vespa scooter and need photos of roy playing his sax from the wizard days. I intend to call the scooter wizard and would like to know if roy objects to me using the photos as art work on the scooter. I feel that this would be a great tribute to such a fantastic talented person who has given me a great privalidge to listen to his music. the world should know that great artists still exist. ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:27:23 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" >"Hello Susie" is this week's discussion song...with a twist. Let's >discuss the version done by Amen Corner and compare it with the Move >version. I myself always found the Amen Corner version too poppy. I like the Amen Corner but this was not one of their better singles. The Moves version's guitar parts are great. I spent 2 or 3 days working them out. I don't think i remember all of it now, i must relearn it again sometime. Roy is a great guitar player and this song contains some very classy playing. Roy can rock with the best of them. In fact on Shazam is some of the most amazing playing to be found on any lp. Cherry B C (REVIS) is another example of how fantastic he can play. Amen Corner sounds lame and if i remember correct this was last hit they had (UK). The Move's version was released in parts of Europe on single and failed to chart. As Roy once said "Get some cotten buds and clean out your ears". They must have been deaf to miss out on this Move masterpiece. ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:17:17 -0800 From: "morgan dewilde" Today I've got messages from the country and all of 'em says the same. So here's another one: I like AMEN CORNER's "Hello Susie", very much in fact. The group had a remarkable singer in Andy (who on the other hand continued with FAIRWEATHER and nowadays play guestartist guitar on many albums.) The Wilde One ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:17:49 -0800 From: Gmcorie their version of Hello Susie did for me the way disco did. it's the MOVE all the way. i've never heard of them, pulled AC up on allmusic to my surprise under similar artist were Wizzard, Small Faces, Roy Wood, The MOVE. tryed to see if cdnow might have some sound sample's no luck. is their music really like some of my favorite artists? lousisana george ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:03:48 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins What do you think, Greg... did the Amen Corner version of "Hello Susie" frighten the majority of list members into a stunned silence, or are they afraid to say they like it MORE than the Move version, lest they be subjected to public chastisement? I wonder... ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:46:32 -0800 From: John DeSilva > What do you think, Greg... Lynn and Movers: My problem has been that stupid work has gotten in the way again of more important pursuits, like posting to the Move list!!! ;-D Hands down, the Move have the superior version ... I love the opening guitar riff, the raucous Woody vocal, and Bev's drumming is especially stellar. I compare the difference between the Move's version and Amen Corner's version to a song that was written and performed by Buffalo Springfield (Steve Stills wrote the song) and also performed by I think it was The Mojo Men (Joe, am I right?). The song is "Sit Down, I Think I Love You" - the Springfield version is classic Stills/Furay harmony, great Neil Young guitar, etc. The other version was very pleasant, baroque-style pop, but kind of took the fire out of the song. I feel the same way about "Hello Suzie" - Amen Corner's version is just not as fiery and dare I say it, not Brummie enough!!! ;-D JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:46:57 -0800 From: "Bobby Sutliff" Lynn, I've got both versions, and while I enjoy Amen Corner's version, The Move's version is earthshakingly fab (and better)! ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:48:20 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins John DeSilva wrote: >I feel the same way about "Hello Suzie" - Amen Corner's version is just >not as fiery and dare I say it, not Brummie enough!!! ;-D I wonder if people realize that the Amen Corner version came out first. A few years back, Marc Miller went a few rounds about whether the Move version could be classified as a "cover," and the AC version could be called the "original." (Marc said yes, I said no. For anyone who's curious. ;) I wish we knew what prompted Roy to want to do that song for a Move album. He gave his "You're Breaking Me Up (And I'm Waisting Away)" to Cliff Bennett And His Band, and "Dance 'Round The Maypole" to Acid Gallery, but The Move didn't record those. I'd be real interested in hearing from those who heard the Amen Corner version FIRST... did you hate the Move version? ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:21:17 -0800 From: Bob Hughes It's OK, but its not the MOVE. It doesn't have that menacing unintelligible Roy voice, nor does it have Bev's bashing. It's just a pop song, not a STATEMENT. ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:04:12 -0800 From: Richard Messum I don't remember ever hearing it before and it's certainly very good, and i like Andy Fairweather-Lowe's voice in spite of his attempt (apparently) to sing outside his range in places. I enjoy the funky brass -- which reminds me of later period Roy Wood, to be honest~! Who was the arranger, i wonder? Comparing the two versions objectively would be very difficult, though. I have known and loved The Move's version for over thirty years and have listened to it a thousand times and it holds a firm place in my heart. My first reaction was, who were these young whippersnappers, with their cheap imitation...? Except of course they recorded it first. But i'd have to say that the Move's version is vastly more ingenious, AC's being much more of its time, and derivative of the Motown sound that was so tremendously popular amongst the Mods in the U.K. in the mid- to late-60's. But thanks to Greg for posting it, and thanks, Lynn, for posting the lyrics, which i'd never seen before -- they cleared up a mystery or two. Cheers, Richard n.p. George Harrison, "Brainwashed" ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:04:30 -0800 From: Leopard522 Lynn writes: >What do you think, Greg... did the Amen Corner version of "Hello >Susie" frighten the majority of list members into a stunned silence, >or are they afraid to say they like it MORE than the Move version, >lest they be subjected to public chastisement? Neither! I don't usually post about the Song of the Week because I'm not very good at describing the reasons I like something, and no one wants to read a post that just says "great song"! I'd never heard Amen Corner's version of "Hello Susie" before, and it was interesting to hear, but I like the Move version better. Beth Gatlin Lincoln Park, New Jersey ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:13:07 -0800 From: Richard Messum Beth wrote: >I don't usually post about the Song of the Week because I'm not very >good at describing the reasons I like something That's never stopped me, Beth! ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:04:47 -0800 From: "Greg Weatherby" On 23 Jan 2003 at 14:03, Lynn Hoskins wrote: > What do you think, Greg... did the Amen Corner version of "Hello > Susie" frighten the majority of list members into a stunned silence, or > are they afraid to say they like it MORE than the Move version, lest they > be subjected to public chastisement? That could be the thing, or maybe people are daunted by a 2meg download. When I post songs up, is this a consideration? Another words, I could make them smaller files by knocking down the bit rate, but then you lose some quality. Or perhaps they were so stunned by the AC's version of "Hello Susie" that mere words were inadequate to describe their true feelings. Me? I still don't care for their version at all. As San Jose John put it (I'm re-wording here), the Move's version has more of, ahem, as Trevor called it, Balls. Greg you know....more of an edge ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:12:29 -0800 From: Roy Cooke I don't know if anyone has mentioned but andy fairweather low sang on the on the road again track from the same lp, as well as doing wide eyed and legless. There is also a different version of hello suzie by buddy curtess and the grasshoppers which came out in the very early 90's this is a very quick beat version and although there is no comparison to the original it bought the song up to date. It is well worth a listen. ********** Subject: Re: "Hello Susie" by Amen Corner Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:12:40 -0800 From: marmil It's really no contest. I've had both versions for a long time and the Move wins hands down! Now, is the Move version a cover??? ********** Subject: The list has gone very quiet Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:48:53 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" I feel there is something about to happen. Another sound file of rare Move track. The California Man pre lp cd single. The track listing to MFTC. I cannot stand this, i'm 'Disturbed'. Just over a month to go to MFTC its too much i cannot stand the wait. I check the site twice a day and hope to see some info. I feel like a kid again, an over 40 teenager. My Mrs will put me in 'Cherry Blossom Clinic' before it is out. She thinks on barmy, It's only a CD she said. ONLY A CD! LOL. ********** Subject: Wizzard ringtone Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:49:23 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Andy, while you're slowly going mad, you can pass the time by downloading a Roy Wood & Wizzard ringtone I stumbled across today. I don't know how much each ringtone costs, but I'm seriously thinking of trading in my Audiovox mobile phone for a Nokia or Motorola just so my phone can play "I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday" everytime it rings. http://www.1st-choice-ringtones.co.uk/ring_tones.asp?code=2160 The site lets you hear the ringtone before you order. ********** Subject: Remastered "Message From The Country" Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:20:07 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Andy wrote: >Just over a month to go to MFTC its too much i cannot stand the wait. Just so you know, while it's looking like "Message" may happen for Spring, no set date has been announced yet. The album's finished, what's left to do are things like artwork and sleeve notes. ********** Subject: Re: Remastered "Message From The Country" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:45:43 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" This is too cruel, oh no not delayed again! Mind you, rather have it done right then rushed and ruined. When's the California Man pre MFTC CD EP coming out? I guess that maybe waiting on Artwork. I wish i could get my hands on a promo copy so i can get to hear it. I bet these last weeks will drag. ********** Subject: Re: Remastered "Message From The Country" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:43:34 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Does this mean the "MFTC" reissue won't have the original cover art that adorned the UK LP? ********** Subject: Re: Remastered "Message From The Country" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:44:48 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins >Does this mean the "MFTC" reissue won't have the original cover art that >adorned the UK LP? Don't fear, the worldwide release of the remastered "Message From The Country" will be have the original UK cover (painted by Roy.) By "artwork" I was referring to the booklet (not the cover), which contains the sleeve notes, which aren't quite finished. :) ********** Subject: Re: Remastered "Message From The Country" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:12:44 -0800 From: kakman1 The artwork for the Capitol release, weird as it is, will that be part of the package, too? Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Remastered "Message From The Country" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:21:51 -0800 From: "Rob Caiger" > The artwork for the Capitol release, weird as it is, will that be > part of the package, too? Yes - inside front cover. ********** Subject: Re: Remastered "Message From The Country" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:09:46 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Very cool! Especially for the UK fans who may not have ever seen the US Capitol records cover. Is "MFTC" still on schedule for a March 2003 release (he asked with bated breath)? Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Remastered "Message From The Country" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:56:47 -0800 From: "Rob Caiger" > Is "MFTC" still on schedule for a March 2003 release (he asked with > bated breath)? Sadly no. The word "Spring" in this instance does fit.... ********** Subject: Re: Remastered "Message From The Country" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:10:44 -0800 From: "Garry M Bray" Rob, What sort of print nos are you proposing and will you be the only outlet? Keep up the good work. ********** Subject: Song Of The Week: "Useless Information" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:57:49 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Song Of The Week: January 27, 2003 "Useless Information" from The Move's first album, "Move" Possible discussion topics: Songwriting Vocals Lyrics Instrumentation Arrangement/Production *********************** (Could use some help with the missing lyrics... :) "Useless Information" (R. Wood) Sister Jane has a little book Full of autographs of useless people Seems a waste in the time she took And it gets me mad which makes us equal CHORUS: Ooh, hundreds of people left out in the cold Wearing the shoes that were silver and gold Useless information Tons of useless information Seems to fill my head With nowhere else to go (Isn't it amazing?) Mrs. Payne at the... With the news about her operation Will the... ever make the rain Wash away such useless information CHORUS (repeat) Isn't it amazing Now you can see why conversation is dying And time is passing you by Turn your ears to the weatherman Saying it be colder in December Get your boots and your... It's been the same for years So I remember CHORUS (repeat) Useless information Tons of useless information Seems to fill my head With nowhere else to go Hundreds of people filling my head with useless information Hundreds of people filling my head with useless information Hundreds of people filling my head with useless information... ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Useless Information" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:41:18 -0800 From: Jeff R. Lonto Regarding the missing lyrics, from the old roywood.com site, printed out on 24 February 2000: Mrs. Paine (Payne) at the door again With the news about her operation Will the lord ever make the rain Wash away such useless information ........ Get your boots and your astrakhan... "astrakhan -- some kind of Russian fur coat (this line supplied through the very kind courtesy of Carl Wayne)" No, I haven't talked to Carl Wayne, that's still quoting from the old web page. ********** Subject: It's all furry and stuff Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:40:59 -0800 From: "Greg Weatherby" "Turn your ears to the weatherman Saying it be colder in December Get your boots and your... It's been the same for years So I remember" OK, I know this part, the missing word is "astrakhan".......sure Greg, you say, "astrakhan", you can fool some of the people some of the time and all that....but you know what?....it is "astrakhan"! So what is one of these things you ask? You've seen 'em. They're hats. The kind that Russians wear. Those furry round hats that you've seen Russian leaders and generals and such wearing. An astrakhan. Will keep your head warm in that cold December. But we are struggling with Mrs Payne and her operation!! Greg you know, an astrakhan ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Useless Information" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:48:13 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Jeff wrote: >"astrakhan -- some kind of Russian fur coat (this line supplied through the >very kind courtesy of Carl Wayne)" Well, he was close! ;) Hey, Greg, thanks for solving that lyrical mystery. I found a picture on the Web of an astrakhan, for anyone interested: http://hunt.digt.ru/hunt/product-5.shtml I guess astrakhan was the only item of clothing Roy could think of that rhymes with weatherman. :) ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Useless Information" Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:40:47 -0800 From: Leopard522 >Mrs. Payne at the... Mrs. Payne at the door again Beth Gatlin Lincoln Park, New Jersey ********** Subject: Roy Wood's Army at the Robin Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:54:42 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Just to let you know that in addition to Roy's show on March 7th, another band of interest to this list will be playing at the Robin (1) R'n'B Club. If you're wondering why I've listed the Climax Blues Band, it's because a couple faces up on stage will look very familiar to those who have seen the Army - Neil Simpson on bass, and Roy Adams on drums. The Robin 1 is the original club - it's on Pedmore Road, Brierley Hill. Follow signs to Merry Hill Centre. The Robin 2 is on Mount Pleasant in Bilston Town Centre, opposite the police station, about 2 miles from Wolverhampton and the M6 junction. Plenty of free parking. More info: http://www.therobin.co.uk/ For all shows the support band goes on at 8:30, the main act at 9:30. Box office: 01384 637747 The Climax Blues Band 28 February, 2003 The Robin 1 Merry Hill, West Midlands Tickets: £7.50 and £8.00 Roy Wood's Army 7 March, 2003 The Robin 2 Bilston, West Midlands Tickets: £12.50 and £13.50 End of Useless Information #439 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]