[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #414 November 21, 2002 In this issue: * Song Of The Week (week of 11/18): "All The Way Over The Hill" * Rock Legends repeat * The Move and ELO in the West Midland Top 10 * Kevin Rowland and certain Brums with big hair * BBC Poll * Rick Price answers our questions! (cont.) * Idle Race in the U.S. * A meeting * Exotic Mixture mistake * Where does "Split Ends" fit in? * Roy CD question? (cont.) * The Shazam (cont.) * Record Collector review of Move Repertoire reissues * Move and related CD collection ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Song Of The Week: "All The Way Over The Hill" Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:32:06 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Song Of The Week: November 18, 2002 "All The Way Over The Hill/Irish Loafer (And His Hen)" from the Roy Wood album "Boulders" Possible discussion topics: Songwriting Vocals Lyrics Instrumentation Arrangement/Production Strong & weak points *********************** "All The Way Over The Hill/Irish Loafer (And His Hen)" (R.Wood) My father said "no" "Go back you fool," she said If you're here tonight will you leave a light For I may be home to bed Go aground for a while You know it's for the best I assure you how you'll be leaving now If I only loved you less CHORUS: Smile if you care Breathe the fresh air All the way over the hill Now I can feel so remarkably well This could prove to be quite an affair Make me aware Breathe the fresh air All the way over the hill "Will she be late?" is my thought for the day Though I honestly doubt if she will Go down to the lake I wish to make your choice If there's hope to spare I could feel you there Though I long to hear your voice I'll want you until You're old enough to know Keep your heart alive and I will survive If it takes me back to you CHORUS (repeat) Copyright © 1972 EMI Records Ltd. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "All The Way Over The Hill" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:03:57 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" I have a very specific memory attached to this one. Back in the early 70's I was part of a small, fanatical group of individuals who were always waiting with bated breath for the next release by the Move, Roy or ELO. We had tapes of the early singles from "Boulders" ("Song Of Praise"/ "Dear Elaine", "When Grandma..."/"Wake Up") which, at that time, were only available as hard to find imports. We were all salivating waiting for the album to be released here in the USA. We would regularly gather to listen to various new albums by the groups of the day and, all being musicians, comment on them. One evening we were sitting around consuming adult beverages and spinning new discs when one of our group, Kevin, got up and calmly put on a record which he did not identify as the rest of us went on chatting. Suddenly we all stared at each other and then over at Kevin as "All The Way Over The Hill" blared out of the speakers. Unbeknownst to us, he had gone up to a store in NYC that had imported copies of "Boulders" which had just been released in the UK (it took a another month before UA released it here). I recall how it took a moment for it to sink in that it was Roy, and that Kevin had pulled off a major score by getting the album before anyone else. He just sat there with a big grin on his face. Great song and, as our Kevin noted, awash with Beach Boy influences coupled with Roy's masterfully eclectic instrumentation. Certainly one of the many highlights on "Boulders". Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "All The Way Over The Hill" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:29:33 -0800 From: kakman Back in the day when we played dem long round plastic platters called L.P.s, this song opened up what was often refered to as side two of the LP. A lovely tune; I remember after I first bought this album back in 79/79, getting into listening to all the voices on this track. Brian Wilson's shadow is definitely all over this song. The lyric is nice enough story of a budding romance with all the usual anxieties, hopes and expectations, blah blah, blah. Nice acoustic guitar and sitar break, too. I'm recalling all this from memory, since I lost my copy many years ago (When in 2003 will we see the "Boulders" re-master?). The instrumental at the end is a nice bit of fun that in my mind suggests a lazy husband getting nagged by his wife while he tries to avoid her. When I first heard the tune though, I used to imagine a farmer going over hill'n'dale chasing an uncooperative chicken. Any way, this track amply demonstrates if you could pluck it, blow it or strum it, Roy could play it and play it well and make it sound fun to boot. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "All The Way Over The Hill" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:48:48 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" Roy started work on this album back in the late 60s. In a interview he said the album had been finished for quite some time before it got released. I think he said that the record company did not feel the public were ready for a solo album by Roy. When Wizzard went shooting into the charts they must of changed their minds. Lovely track from a great album, i love the chorus. Now 'Irish Loafer' shows that English nutty side we have over here to a treat. Shame he has not released any more lp's since 'Starting Up'. ********** Subject: Rock Legends repeat Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:06:42 -0800 From: "Paul Watkins" Just to let everyone in the Uk know, Carlton Central (ITV) are re-showing 'Rock Legends' featuring Roy Wood next Thursday 28th November at 12.00 midnight. Set your VCR's if you missed it last time. By the way, anyone with a Sky Digibox can receive this channel!! ********** Subject: The Move and ELO in the West Midland Top 10 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:08:22 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins To mark this week's 50th anniversary of the UK singles chart, the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles compiled the Top Ten Midland Acts. How nice it is to see both The Move and ELO on the Top 10 list of most successful West Midland chart acts ever! Top West Midland acts and time in the UK charts: 1. UB40 - 331 weeks 2. Slade - 279 weeks 3. Electric Light Orchestra - 225 weeks 4. Duran Duran - 222 weeks 5. Moody Blues - 114 weeks 6. The Move - 110 weeks 7. Dexy's Midnight Runners - 93 weeks 8. The Beat - 92 weeks 9. Toyah - 87 weeks 10. Fine Young Cannibals - 81 weeks ********** Subject: Re: The Move and ELO in the West Midland Top 10 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:15:35 -0800 From: "Schoones, J.W." Well, since Move and ELO are one, I'd like to recalculate this top 10 [err, 9 actually]: 1. Move/ELO - 335 weeks 2. UB40 - 331 weeks 3. Slade - 279 weeks 4. Duran Duran - 222 weeks 5. Moody Blues - 114 weeks 6. Dexy's Midnight Runners - 93 weeks 7. The Beat - 92 weeks 8. Toyah - 87 weeks 9. Fine Young Cannibals - 81 weeks Woody-groeten uit Nederland, Jan Leiden, Netherlands ********** Subject: Re: The Move and ELO in the West Midland Top 10 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:25:20 -0800 From: Chris Hooley Errmm, So what are Dexy's doing there? I thought they were Northern Soul, which centred around Wigan. Or is Kevin Rowland a Brummie? And Toya, what Midlands accent does she have? ********** Subject: Re: The Move and ELO in the West Midland Top 10 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:20:25 -0800 From: kakman Chris Hooley writes: >Errmm, So what are Dexy's doing there? I thought they were Northern >Soul, which centred around Wigan. Or is Kevin Rowland a Brummie? Yes, Kevin Rowlands & Co. are in fact a Brummie lot, I was far more impressed that UB40 had the topspot. Most US list members may have vague memories of UB40 covering "Red Red Wine" and "Can't Help Falling In Love", but I've been a great fan of this lot since the great "Food For Thought"/"King" single. I like Slade but I was surprised they had the No 2 slot. Probably all the runs and re-entries made by their Christmas single (and why not?). Just for laughs, ELO ought to take a shot at that market. Instead of Christmas, though, how about a New Year's song? We need an alternative to Auld Lang Syne, I'm sure Jeff could turn one out real quick for the holidays, kinda appropriate now in these uncertain times. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: The Move and ELO in the West Midland Top 10 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:20:32 -0800 From: Richard Messum Chris wondered: >And Toya, what Midlands accent does she have? Toyah Willcox, a.k.a. Mrs Robert Fripp, grew up in Brum. ********** Subject: Re: The Move and ELO in the West Midland Top 10 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:05:32 -0800 From: Chris Hooley Thanks all, I'm suitably humbled, consequently more knowledgeable. And she's married to Robert Fripp too? Well I never. I am genuinely impressed with the diversity and depth of knowledge of this List. Ta-ra a bit, Chris ********** Subject: Re: The Move and ELO in the West Midland Top 10 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:21:45 -0800 From: "Joseph Davolt" >Well, since Move and ELO are one, I'd like to recalculate this top 10 >[err, 9 actually]: Well, if you're going to do that, why not add Wizzard and Roy solo to that number for a little more distance? Joseph, 18, Illinois PS- I got Bev's book in the mail today! Dandy! Got some reading to do! Oh, and that picture in there of the Move and (the original Green/Spencer/Kirwan) Fleetwood Mac together threw me for a loop! I'd seen a photo from the same shoot (judging by the Mac's clothes) in the "Vaudeville Years" 2CD of theirs...magic! That outta impress my older Mac-obsessed brother. PSS- I met Jeff Saturday!! Jeff Lynn, a bus driver, who apparently gets quite a few reactions to his name...and signs some 'autographs' for people (with an 'e' added)...:-) ********** Subject: Kevin Rowland and certain Brums with big hair Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:20:37 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins I posted about this a year ago and was hoping someone from the list wouldn't mind taking a photo so we can all see it... but there were no takers. How about now? Apparently there's a giant mural at West Bromwich Community Centre in Gayton Road. It's a 40-foot montage of famous faces and landmarks in the area, created by adults with learning difficulties, helped by Birmingham artist Sharon Baker. Kevin Rowland (Dexy's) is one of those featured on the mural. It also features Robert Plant, Julie Walters, ex-Albion hero Jeff Astle, Betty Boothroyd, Peter Snape, Judas Priest, and of course our own Roy Wood. Sure would love to see how Roy's likeness turned out. ********** Subject: BBC Poll Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:47:42 -0800 From: Richard Messum Hi, all ~ To help celebrate its 70th anniversary, the BBC is running a poll to determine the world's top ten songs. Wouldn't it be great if we could all get together and vote for something by The Move? (My vote would go to "Blackberry Way" but if we can reach a consensus here i'd be happy to vote for whatever everyone decides.) The URL is http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us/features/topten/ Vote early, vote often, etc. ********** Subject: Re: Rick Price answers our questions Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:23:29 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" What a great insight! Rick you did play great bass on Shazam, in fact it is one of the best lp's that was ever made. I find it hard to believe you believed the Move were better before you got kidnapped! I think the Move were great right up to they called it a day. ********** Subject: Idle Race in the U.S. Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:15:53 -0800 From: Harold Montgomery Sorry, I was wondering if they ever played LIVE over here in the US. Sorry for not being more clear. ********** Subject: Re: Idle Race in the U.S. Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:17:11 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Harold asked: >Sorry, I was wonder if the ever played LIVE over here in the US. No, they never performed in the U.S., sadly. I checked the "Concert Dates" section of the Unexpected Messages book and it shows The Idle Race played London, Birmingham, Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Manchester... the usual cities. But they never made it big enough to tour outside the UK. ********** Subject: A meeting Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:04:18 -0800 From: "Tom De Val" Let me recount you a story. Well there I was at the Fiddle & Bone in Birmingham, A well known jazz bar, and there was a very pleasant quartet playing. Some Hungarian bass player, a pianist, trumpet and sax. one of my friends thought he recognised the trumpet player as Digby Fairweather, a well known jazzer around these parts. Anyway I was half-listening to the roll call at the end whilst talking to a friend, and the sax player was no other than Mike Burney. I went to talk to him afterwards and he was very polite and conversational. He was saying how zany the Wizzard days were. I shook his hand TWICE and then went out clubbing. It really made my evening. Thought I'd share this with you all. ********** Subject: Exotic Mixture mistake Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:05:46 -0800 From: "garybytheway" Whilst on the subject of Exotic Mixture, when it first came out, the copies I bought had the wrong track on CD 2, track 3? It should have been Annie's "Inside My Life" but was actually "Nature Boy." Does anyone know if this was ever corrected in future pressings or are they all like this. It would be great to get a copy that's right! ********** Subject: Where does "Split Ends" fit in? Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:16:47 -0800 From: Gmcorie Where does SPLIT ENDS come into the order of their album releases. we need an update on all move lp's louisiana george ********** Subject: Re: Where does "Split Ends" fit in? Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:22:53 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" It was released in 1972 it consisted of about half of MFTC and the single A and B sides. I think the USA release of MFTC was a few years after Split Ends (I'm in the UK you will need to check that out with USA list members). I've been lucky, i just got a sealed copy of Split Ends of Ebay last week. ********** Subject: Re: Roy CD question? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:48:14 -0800 From: David Gofstein Hi All: This is a great list! Thanx for all the replies. I now have a nice list of CDs to break my budget seeking out. Maybe after the holidays come and go I can start hitting eBay a little more frequently until I score 'em all at the right price! Thanx again Gang. ********** Subject: Re: The Shazam Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:48:22 -0800 From: Richard Messum Kenny mused: "So how the hell is it that I never heard of The Shazam until today?..." You're not alone, mate: i'd never heard of them either. But i shall definitely be investigating, as the raves about them that have been posted to this list have piqued my interest. ********** Subject: The Shazam! and Not Lame Records Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:08:46 -0800 From: "Drew Jacobs" Haven't seen the Shazam Live, but I do have all their cds. Their cover version of Revolution 9 is pure genius. I am looking forward to their new cd. As for Not Lame, I highly recommend them! Great company, great service, great prices. If you are into pure pop for now people, don't be shy, give them a try! That's where I got the Jeff Lynne tribute, also the only place you can find another great band "The Rubinoos". (Side note: The night before I met my hero, Roy Wood in NYC, I hung out with my other heros The Rubinoos!) Getting off my soapbox now Drew Jacobs Latham, NY ********** Subject: Record Collector review of Move Repertoire reissues Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:02:02 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins I've been asked by a few people on the list if they should go to the effort (and expense) of hunting down the Repertoire reissues of the first three Move albums. They already own vinyl LP versions, as well as CD versions, plus the "Movements" box set. Do the Repertoire CD's offer anything special? I thought I'd throw that question out to the list, and re-post something that Ally Gourlay posted back in May 1998 - a review of the Rep releases that appeared in Record Collector. Subject: Repertoire re-issues reviewed in Record Collector Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:45:32 EDT From: DowGing@aol.com (Ally Gourlay) Hot off the press. I thought I'd post the collective review of the "Move" "Shazam" and "Looking On" reissues as published today in the new issue of Record Collector (no.226 June 1998) "Few people mention them when it comes to selecting the classic singles bands of the '60's, but as a run of 45's, the Move's output from "Night Of Fear" in 1967 to "California Man" in 1972 is tough to match. It helped that, in Roy Wood, they boasted one of the most inventive and playful pop supremos of the age, a man who knew and loved his rock history without taking any of it too seriously. Maybe that's why they aren't regarded as highly as the Who...with whom their 1967 debut album has more than a few similarities. It's not just that "The Lemon Tree" and "Walk Upon The Water" would slip comfortably onto "The Who Sell Out", either. In 1967, both bands were fronted by a singer who didn't write, creating their own pop masterpieces but dependent on covers for their live shows, and altogether more genteel on record than they were in the flesh. Both employed pyrotechnics on stage, both got involved in scandals - but only the Who went on to create "Tommy". "The Move" belongs alongside "The Who Sell Out" as a classic of 1967 pop, but for some reason it wasn't until 1970 that they managed a follow-up, by which time they'd shifted direction from a Top 30 band into a would-be hard rock combo. "Shazam" is one of the weirdest albums of it's time, as it flits from the delicious McCartneyisms of "Beautiful Daughter" to a metallic assault on "Hello Susie", the Wood confection that the Amen Corner had turned into a teenybop classic. Half the album was covers, while the whole thing seemed to be an excuse for sidelining original vocalist Carl Wayne. He jumped ship for the cabaret circuit, the Idle Race's Jeff Lynne took his place, and the Move rushed out a third LP, "Looking On". This debuted a new band sound, with the monstrously slow rock riffs of "Brontosaurus" and "When Alice Comes Back To The Farm" - the latter a clear signpost to the first ELO LP, two years hence. By this time, no one - least of all the band - was quite clear who the Move were, and where they were headed. These reissues are heavily laden with bonus tracks, which together round up all the stray singles from the late 60's (and there are some real gems, from "Fire Brigade" to "Wild Tiger Woman"). Plus there are some unissued tracks: "The Move" has early mixes of "Cherry Blossom Clinic", "Fire Brigade" and "The Disturbance", a backing track called "Second Class", and the lost B-side from an unissued 1967 single, "Vote For Me". "Shazam" adds on the "Something Else" EP and a set of out-takes from the same, including "Higher And Higher" and "Piece Of My Heart"; and "Looking On" offers alternate mixes of "Wild Tiger Woman" and "Curly", plus the Italian language "Something". Afficionados will already have noted that all these tracks appeared on Westside's recent three-CD retrospective. Repertoire's trump cards are the original artwork, plus some extra stereo mixes on the debut album. Compare prices, and take your choice. (Peter Doggett) Copyright © 1998 Record Collector Magazine ----- That's the review and it's pretty reasonable too, apart from a couple of glaring inaccuracies (the first LP came out in '68, not '67), and the Move have always been thought of as a classic singles band. It was the album buying public who were slow to respond. However, Doggett's opinion of "Beautiful Daughter" was a sight better that the one I recently saw posted (was it the Ugly Things review that tried to call it either incestuous or pedophillic ?) However, it always makes me mad when, just because Jeff had joined the Move, and Roy had put a cello on "Alice", every reviewer always points to it being the sound of future ELO. The same always happens with "Night Of Fear" and that blasted 1812 guitar line. I'm sure that it was just Roy trying out new instruments, after all, on the last instrumental passages of both "Alice" and "Turkish Tram" you can blatantly hear saxes as well, but was that Roy pointing the way to Wizzard? I doubt it. I wish reviewers would just listen to the music and tell it like it is. Ally ********** Subject: Move and related CD collection Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:08:46 -0800 From: "Stephen Murphy" ELO - No Answer ELO - The Best of ELO, No Answer plus bonus tracks, Made in Holland, Disky records Move - First album plus Shazam on 1cd, Japanese import, Fly records Move - Looking On, Japanese import, Fly records Move - MFTC, Domestic Move - Something Else from the Move...Plus, Edsel Move - Great Move! The Best of the Move, EMI Move - the Collection Move - Movements 3cd set Best of Roy Wood and Wizzard, 74-76, Trojan records Roy Wood and Wizzard, the Best of, Disky records Roy Wood and Wizzard, Main Street, Edsel Wizzard - Eddy and the Falcons, Edsel Wizzard - Wizzard's Brew Roy Wood - Starting Up, Castle classics Roy Wood - On the Road Again Roy Wood - Singles, Connoisseur collection Carl Wayne - Carl Wayne, Japanese import The Roy Wood Years 71-73 - You Can Dance the Rock and Roll, 18 tracks from ELO, Move, Wizzard, Roy Wood stuff, EMI-Harvest The Jeff Lynne Years 68-73 - A Message From the Country, 18 tracks from Idle Race, ELO, Move stuff, EMI-Harvest I'm still looking for what I don't have. If you come to Philadelphia check out a.k.a. records at 2'nd and Market St's. Tell Mike that Murph sent you. Have a GREAT DAY. End of Useless Information #414 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. 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