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Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #448 February 22, 2003 In this issue: * Answer to Q3 * A 'Woodless' Move (cont.) * Not mocking or pooh poohing the passion (cont.) * The Move / with and without * Bev's question: The Move without Roy? * No Woodless Move - It's a moot point * Take the ball and run * ELO2 (cont.) * Ace * Ace Kefford in new Mojo (cont.) * Carl & The Hollies record new song * Thank Edison! ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Answer to Q3 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:54:19 -0800 From: Sweetfa Quoting Bev: >A3: OK. The million dollar question. Roy has made it pretty plain that >be is not interested in re-forming the 'Move'. He's also shown no >objection to a re-formation of the band without him. I'd be genuinely >interested in what everyone who logs on to 'useless information' >thinks about this. Would you attend a 'Woodless' Move performance? A lot of bands have reformed without major players. Why not The Move? I've never seen The Move live but I do have a bootleg video compile. I'm 53 years old and have been a Move fan since 1969/70 and I don't ever remember them coming to New York. I assume they might have. Does anyone know? In my opinion any Move is better than no Move and I'd pay to see them in a heartbeat. Kenny Rocky Point, NY ********** Subject: Re: Answer to Q3 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:31:05 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Kenny, FYI, The Move were scheduled to appear at the Fillmore East in NY during their only tour here in Oct. 69 but the gig was cancelled. They appeared at the Fillmore West and the tape of this is the gig we're all waiting for with bated breath to be released on CD. Carl Wayne has the tape and is negotiating a deal for it's release. ********** Subject: Re: A 'Woodless' Move Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 01:49:05 -0800 From: Keith Fletcher Steve Graham wrote: >I don't see how you could have a Move reunion without the 'Main Man'... >that doesn't mean some of the other guys couldn't get together under a >different name though? Might be interesting. As for one of the earlier >posts berating Woody for being lazy and a few other messages advising >Roy as to what he should be doing.....I would say he IS already doing >what he wants to do????? too bad if that doesn't coincide with what >we think Roy should be doing! Torn between a rock and a hard place, My gut feeling is no how can you have a band without the main creative force (song writing wise). You might as well reform Wizzard as well!!. But some bands have reformed or carried on to a greater or lesser extent, Pink Floyd minus Roger Waters or even Syd Barrett. The 21st century Doors are talking about touring at the moment. They are minus Jim Morrison and John Densmore. isn't Slade 2 touring minus Noddy Holder and at least one other member of the band. ELO part 2 minus Jeff Lynne. It certainly would be an interesting prospect, and even a great way to repromote the original music when and if all the albums are re-released fully remastered etc. ********** Subject: Re: A 'Woodless' Move Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:27:14 -0800 From: Zabadak900 Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute guyz.............. The Yardbirds are touring & releasing NEW MATERIAL with only McCarty & Dreja on board. Black Sabbath lived on w an ever changing lot of drummers/singers. Charlie is crooning "Carrie Ann" & "Bus Stop," paying his bills & no one is mourning the lack of 100% original members, are they? What don't I understand here? Help me out people. Most folks come to these gigs to hear the olde toons, & see what ravages time has gifted the musos. If "The Move" play in Wash, DC, do you think I'm gonna put my nose up and say, 'EUUUUUUUUUUU,' I'm too much of a purist.' I'd go see anything Ace Kefford was a member of, sans Roy Wood. Has Ace picked up a musical instrument in the past 35 years? If Mr. Wood chooses to say "sod off," so be it. If he feels that this is a bad career move, I say "Mazel Tov Mate." How 'bout get'n Jeff Lynne in on a reunion? I could then hear "Down On The Bay." What about asking Rick Neilson? Heck, I'll play 2nd guitar & Trev can take the leads. How 'bout asking Holly to sit in? Rick Kuba Wash, DC Ps, Scott, I'll e-m ya soon, no dis intended. ********** Subject: Re: Not mocking or pooh poohing the passion Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:38:09 -0800 From: "cuselton" Hey Kevin! Thank you so much for that thoughtful post. I think you hit the nail on the head. With regards to anyone's career, I am reminded of John Lennon's career, and the words to the song "Watching the Wheels": People say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing Well they give me all kinds of warnings to save me from ruin When I say that I'm o.k. well they look at me kind of strange Surely you're not happy now you no longer play the game People say I'm lazy dreaming my life away Well they give me all kinds of advice designed to enlighten me When I tell them that I'm doing fine watching shadows on the wall Don't you miss the big time boy you're no longer on the ball I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round I really love to watch them roll No longer riding on the merry-go-round I just had to let it go Ah, people asking questions lost in confusion Well I tell them there's no problem, only solutions Well they shake their heads and they look at me as if I've lost my mind I tell them there's no hurry I'm just sitting here doing time I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round I really love to watch them roll No longer riding on the merry-go-round I just had to let it go I just had to let it go I just had to let it go I'm sure there are other artists who have felt much the same way at different times in their careers. John was just able to put it into some great words. my 2 cents... back to the shadows, thanks! cu ********** Subject: The Move / with and without Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:30:53 -0800 From: Jim McCarthy ROY WOOD has obviously got a few screws loose somewhere. Rob Caigers' repeated points about the total lack of help from Roy in claiming/recovering his own masters etc say a lot. Roy, I think suffers from that artist syndrome/malaise in which he doesn't see very clearly his own history or have any kind of balance. (Another great example being Prince) The mooted Move reunion being a point. The Move were an extraordinary, anarchic, ferocious musical beast. This aspect of their image/live act did not come from Roy but he certainly was one fifth of it. With Tony Secunda managing (a true musical scallywag) they had everything, except it seems any real earnings. Their choice of live cover material was superb, (the then totally hip Love cover of Stephanie Knows Who, check this months Mojo magazine for Arthur lee review) Ace was the perfect bassist for the Move, his loud rumble suited their songs to a T. Trevor, another full-of-attitude young man, who loved to rock out. Carl a great lead vocalist with stage attitude to match. Add Bev Bevans' early tempestuous, battering drum style and you have a combo, like no other (including The Who, Small faces etc) The early Move line up was considered the best in Britain at the time. God knows what they could have done in the USA. They were also ten years ahead of the Sex Pistols and Malcolm Maclaren. Roy and many other musicians get this "thing" about being/becoming "Technically" advanced but the Move had a 'sound" and a 'chemistry" take one person out and it falls away. I wouldn't mind if Roy was writing great stuff now but when a band I was managing supported him on four dates, his new stuff like 'Boadicea' and "Lionsheart" was a shadow of former eccentric glories. It would be great to see the roaring, vocally proficient, animal that was the Move live Roy's writing was superb but the Move as an entity was also superb. Together they were an unbeatable combination. ********** Subject: Bev's question: The Move without Roy? Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:30:59 -0800 From: "Peter MANION" Not wishing to go too deep into the psychology, but bearing in mind what happened in ELO, I can imagine one thing that would ensure Roy's presence would be the suggestion (doesn't have to be true) that Jeff Lynne had agreed to do it. Might be a good tactic??? I think I've mentioned this before, that 'The Move' are the only band of any significance that could reform with the complete original line up, all fit and well and still musically active, and in the case of Trevor and Ace in far better shape now than they were thirty years ago! ********** Subject: Re: A 'Woodless' Move Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:31:22 -0800 From: andrew codd I have to admit to being a bit torn on this subject. For one, I was dead against the idea of ELO part 2 (Although I did see them a couple of times to give them a chance but they just didn't do it for me.) and am surprised to hear Bev sort of thinking of heading down the same path again. So In theory I should be 100% against a Wood-less Move. But I think I would go at least once to check them out but only if it Was Carl, Bev and Trevor or Rick. (I do wonder if Ace would be quite up to it health wise.) I really want to see Carl singing on stage again and frankly I'd much rather hear him sing Move songs than Hollies songs. Ok I admit it wouldn't seem right really without Roy but If I get to see Carl, Bev and Trev or Rick then I would definitely go. If it turns out to be Just Bev and Carl with some no name session musicians or jingle writers then I do doubt I'd go again after the first time. If Carl's not involved then no I wouldn't bother at all. If we can't have a full reunion then my real preference for a reunion would be for a gig featuring Carl and Roy, just two voices and acoustic guitar. Sorry Bev! Luv Andrew ********** Subject: No Woodless Move - It's a moot point Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:31:39 -0800 From: "Robert Lawrence" Talk of Move reunions is idle speculation and it's not gonna happen. Roy was/is a great gtr player as well as singer, songwriter and producer. He's entitled to the life he lives. Roy obviously doen't do anything under pressure. Rob will be lucky to get a comment out of him. Some people care more about the past than others. Besides, there were at least three different Move phases: Original Lineup -my fave, a pop group weaned on r&r and heavysoul Shazam line-up-going heavy Move with Jeff Lynne-over the top but a few great singles The first lineup was rather diverse. In 1966 they were playing soul covers in London before Night of Fear. On the package tours with heavyweights like Jimi Hendrix they held their own. They were a tough band. Something Else testifies to that. They were opening with a cover of the Everly Brothers Price of Love 10 yrs before Bryan Ferry covered it Move style with Chris Spedding. They didn't want to stay in the same place as their choice of covers indicates.The Beeb stuff bears this out with covers of the Byrds, the Band, Jackie Wilson as well as Love and Spooky Tooth. Sunshine Help me knocks the original flat. They had their chances but kept, quite literally, missing the boat. They were supposed to tour North America summer of '68 with the Beach Boys and Buffalo Springfield. The latter broke up and The Move cancelled. They were also slated for Fillmore East opening for the debut of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, ironic that. Again they didn't make it over. Their only "tour" was a cross-country trip in a van around the time of Shazam playing NYC, Detroit and San Fran. Instead they consolidated their Pop market in UK and Eurpope and I can't blame them. The pop singles were "too British" like the Kinks, for North America. Roy leveraged this to Move on to Move Version 3 with Jeff and then Wizzard and solo. Roy had a very intense experience over a span almost 10 years with a chart run that make would any artist be proud.The Roy Wood Story was released in the spring of 1976 to mark this. Fortunately I had an old University mate at EMI, (Roger Ames, now Chairman of Warner Music) who used to send me all the singles. Another University mate, John Poirier, manager of Warner Music Canada's Atlantic region for the last 22 years, was into the Lynne period stuff and we compared notes. The Lynne period stuff is hit and miss for me. It's too bad Roy and the others got the shaft by Secunda and then Don Arden. Not really the touch of Neil Aspinall who eventually made Apple work after a long time of neglect. It's up to Rob now for Roy and the Move. As for the other members: Carl is a great vocalist and I am a great fan and got the solo cd from Lynn. He was definitely heading in another direction, opposite that of Roy's. Trevor and Ace were kids basically and overdid the Pop Star bit. I probably doubt whether it would be good for Ace but that's not my decision.. Trev's got his own thing. As for Bev, he's one of the best drummers in rock and roll ever but the Lynne less ELO thing didn't endear me to him. I wasn't a fan after Roy left anyway. So let's let Rob get on with the reissues and remasters. He's doing a great job.More live stuff please. And thanks to Lynne for keeping this list together. A fab job. Sorry to be long winded but the weather here on the East End of Canada has been horrific. Worst in 25 years and I moved back here 7 months ago. Another snow storm today. I ain't going nowhere. I Can Hear the Grass Grow, I See Rainbows in the Evening ********** Subject: Take the ball and run Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 01:48:58 -0800 From: Gmcorie to this day i still believe Shazam to be one of the top 5 Lp's ever. it never got the advertising and promotion it deserved. as for as a reunion Roy, Carl, Bev and Rick is the one i would like to see the most. any reunion would be great as long as it include Roy. a release of SHAZAM here in the US with great promotion a postcard with george bush and his dog spot or some wild stunt to get your attention. once you hear Shazam your hooted. are i'am out of the ball park all together. louisiana george ********** Subject: Re: ELO2 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:06:32 -0800 From: Rob Caiger Rich B wrote: >Okay...delurking for questions. I actaully saw a little blurb (quoteing >Rob) in ICE and had come to check my Move List for details....the ELO II >release will have a bonus disc of unreleased ELO material with Roy...am >I reading that right? And a track with Carl singing? Am I understanding >this correctly? And the autographed copies....autographed by whom? Hi Rich, ICE got it right.. just about. The bonus CD just uses the title of Roy's abandoned concept - the group never recorded anything prior to first sessions for ELO 2. The first two tracks recorded for ELO 2, while Roy was still in the group (and playing bass and cello) were "In England Town (Boogie No.2)" and "From The Sun To The World (Boogie No.1)" - both appear as part of the original album but the remastering is incredible. You'll be hearing things you won't have heard before. Marc Bolan appears on three tracks, early versions of Ma-Ma-Ma-Belle, Dreaming Of 4000 and a totally unheard Jeff Lynne original, Everyone's Born to Die. Carl Wayne also appears on three Jeff Lynne songs, recorded with ELO in 1973 (two completely unreleased and a new version of Mama). There'll be more news soon and the chance to hear exclusive preview soundfiles on the new dedicated ELO 2 website (via FTM Online), The Move website and Carl's website. We're scheduling this for next Monday, so hopefully everything will be ready then. Most of the FTM subscribers have returned their pre-order forms so by the weekend I'll know total numbers and if we will be able to offer out to the list the opportunity to obtain autographed copies. As you can imagine, I don't want to swamp the ex-members with thousands of CD's to sign. The list members will be able to order limited edition copies from next week (be they signed or not) and these will be mailed out before the official release date. But only if orders are recived before 28 Feb. Hope this makes it clearer. ********** Subject: Re: ELO2 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:48:24 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" Looks like this will be fantastic. Even if some of us miss out on autographed copies (No one really expects anyone to sign thousands of CD's, a couple of hundred would drive the average person up the wall). My own subcription to FTM is really going to be rather on the late side so i dont really think i will manage to get a signed copy. Really the people who have subsribed to FTM for years should be at the front. It would be wrong for one of these people to miss out to the likes of someone like me. After all they have paid the subscription's over the years which in part has paid for the remastering to be done in the first place. I would cherish a signed copy but not if i felt i have taken it from someone who really deserves it. Yes i would be upset at missing out, but these FTM vet's must come first. They would be badly let down if not. ********** Subject: Ace Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:04:42 -0800 From: "Steven Burrows" Fascinating to read about Chris Kefford on the site & the article in MOJO about the forthcoming 'Ace The Face' album. I knew Chris very well through the late 70's & early 80's when we both lived in Inkberrow. I was a naive teenage punk rock bassist, desperate to be a star & Chris was just about the only encouraging voice in my life at that time. When our parents were trying to pack us off to university (or worse, the armed forces) Chris would offer us advice & support, regailing us with extraordinary tales about Lennon, Syd Barrett, The Small Faces etc., and even giving me bass lessons, sitting in his cottage garden in the sunshine, drinking beer & learning 'I Can Hear The Grass Grow'. Chris always said that I was the one person he knew whose destiny was rock superstardom....inevitably, it didn't quite end up that way. I veered off into the avant garde side of rock music with the band 'And Also The Trees' (whose other members were also from Inkberrow & friends of Chris & we equally took encouragement from him) but as we celebrate a career that has lasted 24 years & thirteen albums it's easy to look back & admit that Chris was largely responsible for getting us off our backsides. Thanks Chris. Glad to see that things finally seem to have panned out for you. Steven 'Budgie' Burrows Gloucestershire 'And Also The Trees' website: www.andalsothetrees.co.uk ********** Subject: Re: Ace Kefford in new Mojo Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:48:19 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" >From Page 1 of The Buzz from the Mojo Collections section of the latest >issue (112). > >The English Eccentric? >Mercurial ex-Move 'Ace Face' resurfaces. Oh this is wonderful news. For those of you who have never heard the fantastic single 'For Your Love/Gravy Booby Jamm' you will be bowled over. The Ace Kefford Stand sounded like they were a real good band. I always wondered if they had recorded more stuff which never got released. The news gets better and better. Also Carl and a few old mates are involved in finishing some songs off! Rob this is some of the best news i've heard. Ace the bass is back. Fantastic. I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO GET THAT! ********** Subject: Carl & The Hollies record new song Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:21:37 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins The Hollies have recorded a new song with Carl Wayne singing lead vocals. It will be on the Hollies' upcoming 2CD 40th anniversary CD on EMI. "How Do I Survive," written by Paul Bliss (of the Bliss Band and the Moody Blues) was recorded at Abbey Road. Paul played keyboards for The Hollies on their "What Goes Around" album. This track marks the first Hollies recording featuring Carl, who joined the band in February, 2000. Does anyone remember the original Bliss Band recording of "How Do I Survive"? Or maybe Amy Holland's cover version? (I'm dating myself here...) Looking forward to hearing something "new" from Carl! ********** Subject: Re: Carl & The Hollies record new song Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:03:19 -0800 From: "Jeff Cooper" Interesting! Paul Bliss was the guy who alot of ELO Part 2 fans were certains was Eric Troyer when he was playing live with The Moodies recently. He is a 'dead ringer' for ET it has to be said... See http://www.geocities.com/jane_earl/where.html for evidence! http://www.geocities.com/paulbliss_2000/paulsdisc.html lists some other Hollies titles too... `Say You'll Be Mine' Bliss The Hollies `Musical Pictures' Bliss/Kipner The Hollies `Someone Else's Eyes' Bliss The Hollies `I Got What I Want' Bliss/Kipner The Hollies `Havin' A Good Time' Bliss/Kipner The Hollies Jeff (39 years young today!) ********** Subject: Thank Edison! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:04:27 -0800 From: kakman1 One hundred and twenty five years today, Thomas Alva Edison received the patent for the phonograph, a device that recorded and played back sounds on huge wax cylinders. The playback was either through a huge bell shaped horn producing a very tinny sound or through small uncomfortable earphones, which produced a sound that seemed to be louder and have slightly better fidelity, (the amplifier wasn't invented, yet). In commemoration of this historic event, some big hoo-ha recording artists are recording their lieder at Edison's old studio on one of these old devices. It's being filmed as a documentary. The legendary Russ Titelman is helming these sessions. Wouldn't it be cool if Roy Wood and Jeff Lynne got together for these sessions and recorded something appropriate like, "My Marge", "Baby I Apologise" or "Dear Elaine" ? Can anyone think of any other appropiate numbers from our heroes' canon that might sound ideal on the old wax cylinder and bell horn ? Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Thank Edison! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:48:30 -0800 From: Richard Messum Kevin wrote: >Wouldn't it be cool if Roy Wood and Jeff Lynne got together for these >sessions and recorded something appropriate like, "My Marge", "Baby I >Apologise" or "Dear Elaine"? Can anyone think of any other >appropiate numbers from our heroes' canon that might sound ideal on >the old wax cylinder and bell horn? The obvious choice, considering the prehistoric nature of the technology, would, to my mind, be ... "Brontosaurus." Richard (ducking) ********** Subject: Re: Thank Edison! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:18:30 -0000 From: "Andrew Footman" Got to be' Whisper in the night'. That sounds like a Victorian period song. 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