[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #450 February 28, 2003 In this issue: * ELO2 pre-order * Bev's burning question * A 'Woodless' Move? (cont.) * Move on or not? * The Move without Roy? No way... * Wood-less Move (cont.) * Three Move songs * Song Of The Week (week of 2/24): "Rock Down Low" * Happy Birthday George! * Thank Edison! (cont.) ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: ELO2 pre-order Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:32:14 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Just a quick note to let you know that the response to ELO2 has been HUGE. Pre-orders from FTM subscribers are still being processed (FTM subscribers are guaranteed an autographed copy.) In addition, we're processing orders from fans who want to join FTM and pre-order ELO2 at the same time. Everyone else, just hang tight and wait for a post from myself or Rob letting you know that pre-ordering has opened up to non-FTM subscribers. Obviously, the February 28 deadline will have to be extended. Don't worry... there will be enough ELO2 CD's to go around. :) ********** Subject: Re: Bev's burning question Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:27:44 -0800 From: "Alexie" >A3: OK. The million dollar question. Roy has made it pretty plain that >be is not interested in re-forming the 'Move'. He's also shown no >objection to a re-formation of the band without him. I'd be genuinely >interested in what everyone who logs on to 'useless information' >thinks about this. Would you attend a 'Woodless' Move performance? Popping out of newbie lurkdom for a bit to respond to this... I'd attend it! It might not be the same, sure, but i'm a relatively new fan and i'd love to see ANY of the old Move members in concert; I'd consider myself lucky, even, because since i'm only 16 its not like I could've seen them back in the day. As far as some people objecting to it because Roy Wood was a serious part of the Move, I can understand that, but i'd still consider it a privalage to see any of these guys in concert. Reforming bands w/o some members seems to be happening a lot these days, and i think its nice that a younger generation of fans has the chance to see at least half of the orriginal band, when otherwise they wouldn't see it at all. I see this as a good way to get some old friends together to have some fun! :) But seeing as i've noticed other fans objecting to a Woodless Move, maybe it should be a different band name, and a play-on-words at that. And that's my jumbled up opinion :) ~Alex, thinking about being less lurkful... ;-D~ ********** Subject: Re: Bev's burning question Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:12:40 -0800 From: Dan Brooks Knee jerk answer is no. But if Carl Wayne was on lead vocals and they were playing near my house (meaning NYC, NJ or Brooklyn), then yes I'd go. I still wouldn't really consider it "The Move" though, for what it's worth. ********** Subject: Re: Bev's burning question Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:31:35 -0800 From: "Paul" If we cannot have Roy the it would be good to have Carl instead. ....but what would be the line up? Bev, of course, and who else? Rick? Chris? Trevor? As to use of the name - I guess it would be OK even if only two or three original members are involved. It would generate more interest in the back-catalogue, more sales, more new releases and re-releases and that can only be good news for us. We may, even yet, see the reunion concert that we all dream about. It's a wonderful rock 'n' roll winter ********** Subject: Bev's question burns like a fire on high Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:31:53 -0800 From: Plastic Ono Dream yes...yes...Y E S! come to new york! hey "dlobro"...relax i'll buy your ticket! ********** Subject: Re: A 'Woodless' Move? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:53:57 -0800 From: "Danny Dean" Hi! After a long hiatus from the list, I've rejoined the digest. Good to be back. I've had my arms full with all the activity from the Showdown list, but now am excited to hear about some upcoming Move reissues (I hope the MFTC reissue is still on!!). Dear Bev, I am a big fan of the Move in both of their major lineups (early, and later, with Jeff and Rick), and would gladly see a show with original members, such as you and Carl, because I think it's a great way to keep the music alive. When you toured with ELO part II, I had a wonderful time at the show, because it was the first time I had ever heard those great songs LIVE! I think the same would be true if I went to see you and your mates play those classic Move songs, with or without Roy. Of course, having Roy with you would be the ultimate, just as it would be the ultimate ELO concert to have Jeff and all the original members (including Roy!) playing together, from a fan's point of view. But, as long as SOMEONE is out there keeping the music alive, I think true fans can be nothing but happy to support their efforts. So, please don't hesitate to re-form the Move with as many original members as possible! And don't forget to tour the States! Especially southern California! I'll be at the show, you can bet on that! Keepin' the faith, Danny Dean ********** Subject: Move on or not? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:54:15 -0800 From: "Dennis Cattell" A Move without Roy Wood would certainly be different but different means just that, it does not mean worse! All the group members contributed and have grown both in musicmanship and life experiences in the last thirty years so I am more inclined to believe it could be better rather than worse! What would have been awful would be, say, a TRex without Marc Bolan. He was that group. A new Move should not go out on the road without at least a third of their set being brand new material in my opinion, so they can be a band rather than a nostalgia fest. As for Roy, can someone explain to me his absence from the charts for over 20 years! One of the best all round musicians Britain has ever produced, and unless he gets down to it, and produces more three-minute gems, he will be a fixture on the 'whatever happened to' type show! It doesn't give me any pleasure to have to write that, but what on earth does he do these days? Is it his fault, or record companies, or the record buying public, that his achievements appear to lie in the past? If you reply to this, fine, so long as anyone who does can do it without invective or vitriolic comment. What I've written above is probably what Joe Public would say if you stopped him in the street and managed to get a comment out of him (or her?) other than 'Roy Wood? I thought he was dead!' DEN ********** Subject: Re: Move on or not? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:31:50 -0800 From: Keith Fletcher Didn't Mickey Finn tour as Mickey Finns Trex a couple of years ago!!?? I have to agree though that loosing the main creative character in the Move is not the best thing, especially as Roy Wood and Bev were the only members of the band in all of the various guises, Kind of like Deep Purple right now with only one member of the band consistent throughout there touring life Ian Paice. At what point does the band just become a tribute band and not the real deal? ********** Subject: Re: Move on or not? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:54:17 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" Keith Fletcher wrote: >Didn't Mickey Finn tour as Mickey Finns Trex a couple of years ago!!?? Yes Mickey Finn until his death a few weeks back was still working has part of the band T Rex with other Ex T Rex members. The rest of the group have decided to carry on because they believed Micky would have wanted that. I read this on the bands web site a few weeks back. Of all the major Glam Rock groups it seems that Wizzard and Slade are the only bands with all the original members still alive and well. So many great people have died many lost at very young ages with is very sad. ********** Subject: Re: Bev's burning question Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:31:57 -0800 From: "Martin, Brian" Sorry folks but I would not attend a "Woodless" Move simply on the grounds that without Roy it would not be The Move as ELO part 2 without Jeff Lynne was not ELO so I personally did not attend any Part 2 concerts. It would be like going to see a tribute band. My suggestion would be to convince Roy to reform the Move record some new stuff and show the world what a great talent the man is. ********** Subject: Re: Bev's burning question Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:54:12 -0800 From: kakman1 A reformed Move, with or without Roy Wood, has to be able show the world what a great live act it can be once again, before it can go back in the studio and produce another record album. Unless there is a lot of money, effort, graft, chutzpah and grass roots support for a new Move album, the world isn't gonna stop, bow down and give any new recording the band makes a well deserved Top Five placing in the UK, Europe or the USA. And remember, except for their first effort, Move albums never charted very high, very long or at all. They have always been perceived as a 'singles' or 'pop' band and a great live act. WE so very few devout followers will always be there to attend the shows (with or without Roy), buy the discs, the posters, the t-shirts or show our support any way we can, because that's why we're here, you know. We would all dearly love if Roy were involved with a new Move, but I say a new Move doesn't need to be complete with or without Roy, it just has to be great. If Bev does get the ball rolling about getting some kind of Move back on the road, that's fine as long they're once again the top notch explosive fantastic mind blowing live outfit they were when they last trod the boards in October 1970 (Rick Price's birthday party in 1974 notwithstanding, great pictures, Martin of Cherry Blossom Clinic, anyone ever tape that performance?). Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Move on or not? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:54:22 -0800 From: PrimoChuck I have mixed feeling about a reformed "The Move" touring without Roy Wood. Since the Move never made it big here in the US, I am sure that a tour in the US would be held in smaller clubs in the larger cities. Probably not a lot of money in it for the band members, but I am sure they would sound great and it would be a fun show. However, in Europe where the Move name probably still has commercial value, The Move might do pretty well. Would the Move compete with the Roy Wood Big Band for band dates and concert attendees? Probably, yes to a certain extent.....but it appears here from reading the list that a certain amount of fans go to see the Big Band around Christmas time. I would probably go to see a Woodless The Move without Roy Wood, because it is being done on friendly terms. However, I have yet to see a Brian Wilson and Al Jardine-less Beach Boys because I would rather see Brian Wilson (and not his enemies). Charlie Long Beach, California ********** Subject: The Move without Roy? No way... Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:54:27 -0800 From: "Ricardo Amaral" Paul Watkins wrote: >Yes Roy was the driving force behind the band, but if he does not want >to rejoin, a band without him would be better than none at all. I do not agree with this assessment. The Rolling Stones should have packed a long time ago. There's a Byrds cover band who bought the rights to their name - none has ever played with the band. But they still call themselves Byrds. Creedence Clearwater Revisited has been calling themselves only Creedence. Everybody sees this biker singing just like Fogerty. Is it the same? Of course not: it's simply a cover band with some original players. But without its driving force, it's just a cover band. If Roy thinks his Move time is over, great: it's his right to do so. And it's also his right not to reform Move. If all other players, as much as they were integral to the band, decide to call themselves Move, would be a scam and a farce. He is the main force and the "visionnaire" of the band - none other ever was. For example: The Who is still going, even with two out already. Fair? Maybe, since Townshend is the spiritual leader of the band. But it is not the same thing. Better than nothing? Maybe, I am not sure. But I know the band has never called it quits: it is a continuous ensemble. Maybe it is another major difference from our case. For me: no Move without Roy. Call it Outkasts Movements or anything like that if they want to... ********** Subject: Re: Move on or not? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:54:32 -0800 From: "Greg Weatherby" Keith Fletcher wrote: > Didn't Mickey Finn tour as Mickey Finns Trex a couple of years ago!!?? Yea, he did! Remarkable! He played the bongos, or something, for the most part with Marc Bolan. As to the Move without Roy, if they played here in San Francisco, I would go. As much to see Ace and Trevor as anything. An acquaintance of mine recently saw Trevor play in the UK, and he said it was a little sad, a nice bar room bluesy kind of band, but nothing to get real excited about. But then, there is nothing wrong with a bar room bluesy band if that's what your expectations are. But expectations would be higher for "The Move". And it would feel like something, that certain something, was missing. And that would be Roy, of course. I certainly wouldn't jump on a plane and fly somewhere to see The Move with a Roy-less line-up as I did to see Roy in NYC last March (Can't believe it's been almost a year!) But if Roy was in the mix, I would fly anywhere to see that show! But it's not to be. Sad. Roy is stuck trying not to live in the past, all the while doing it. He claims he wants to release new music, but then doesn't do it. He says he will do a Salsa thing, which, IMHO, is just as well he didn't do it. That honestly seemed like a joke to me. As someone posted earlier, he should get back to doing three minute classic tunes, which would sell to his hard core fan base. And take a band rock band out on the road, you know, a 4 piece, a 5 piece, something like.....well, you know....something like The Move! ********** Subject: Re; Bev's burning question Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 04:44:18 -0800 From: Richard Brown Okay...I'll weigh in! I have thought about this a lot as I have read others responses to this question. In a way, as a guy who lives in Oklahoma USA, the point is moot as regardless of what Bev does, I'll never see them! But here is what I think. ....I would go to see "The Move" if it included at least three ex-Move members. One of them (assuming no Woody) would have to be Carl....the others (besides Bev) could be Trevor, Ace or Rick.... Four ex-Move members would be even better (maybe the original Move minus Roy). I think a splendid time would be had by all who went to see them. Brian Wilson was to the Beach Boys what Roy was to The Move...and the Beach Boys continued to be a great live act long after Brian was out of the picture....I'm talking 1967 to 1974....not the Mike Love lead group of today. Where I would draw the line would be recordings. I could not stomach a Move record without full participation from Roy. ********** Subject: Re: Wood-less Move Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 04:45:04 -0800 From: John Woodhouse I can stand lurking no longer so I'm coming out of the shadows to throw in my opinion for what its worth. I'm dismayed about the lack of positive response on this list concerning a "Move reunion" without Roy Wood's involvement. An opportunity to see ANY of those guys re-united on stage again is way too good to be true but the chances of that ever happening must now be slim to say the least. The Move members don't owe us ANYTHING!! they've given us some great music both collectively and individually over the years so why should they make any effort to please the likes of us when given such a lack-lustre response? Roy Wood likely has his own reasons for opting out so we should respect that as well as his privacy. In his absence, I'm sure there would be many others who wouldn't mind helping out such as Rick Price, Richard Tandy, Dave Morgan, Mike Sheridan etc. I know that Trevor Burton is perfectly happy to be with his own band and playing the music he likes. Carl Wayne is certainly very busy touring with the Hollies. Bev Bevan has his radio work as well as an outlet to satisfy his urge to play live when getting together with friends like Tony Iommi for low pressure and "fun" performances when he feels the need. As for Ace Kefford - any chance to see him on stage again - be it even to "bang on a tambourine" would be worth the ticket price alone! Anyway, I like reading the postings on this list - especially Rob Caiger's updates and details concerning the work on all the re-releases but really folks - is not 50 percent of something better than 100 percent of nothing!! Best Regards to all... John Woodhouse ********** Subject: Re: Wood-less Move Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:27:58 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins John Woodhouse wrote: > ...but really folks - is not 50 percent of something better than 100 > percent of nothing!! Hi John, Good post! For those who don't know, John runs the excellent "Brum Beat" website at http://www.brumbeat.net/ . Check it out, if you haven't already. Anyway, regarding a "Woodless" Move, I agree with John and a few others that it would be an absolute delight and privilege to see ANY member of The Move perform live, Ace in particular. And seeing three or four members on stage at the same time would be an unparalleled experience, to be sure. With or without Roy. But... what I don't want to see is the press ripping them to shreds because they're calling themselves "The Move" without the songwriter. While it's true that in the early days of The Move, their live performances were mostly (if not all) covers, their big hits were all penned by Roy. If Roy doesn't care whether other members of the band perform as The Move, then it's fine by me. But press does matter, and reviews will focus not on who IS in the band, but who ISN'T in the band. And I just don't want to see the name "The Move" get trashed by the media. Carl, Ace, Trevor and Bev don't deserve that. Are my concerns unfounded? ********** Subject: Re: Wood-less Move Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:09:10 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Lynn, Your point is well taken. Look how the press ridicules Mike Love for keeping his version of The Beach Boys on the road. Ditto Creedence Clearwater Revisited and many others. Roy and The Move need good press if any reunion were to happen. And I believe you are quite right when you say the press would probably trash a Move without Roy Wood. Roy might actually do himself a disservice by giving the green light to it, thereby leaving himself wide open for an attack by the press. Move minus Roy Wood = "Moving target" Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Three Move songs Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:52:15 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins I've gotten a few off-list questions concerning the Hollies UK tour (which began Wednesday night in St. Albans), and whether they perform any Move songs. Their current set includes Fire Brigade, Blackberry Way, and I Can Hear The Grass Grow, which must have been a nice "welcome back" for Carl. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Rock Down Low" Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:13:17 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" Update of lyrics below. Cracking rocker. > "Rock Down Low" (R. Wood) > > I'm off to Indiana like a 50's cycle driver hound > Drop me at the station, maybe help to pull your burden down > > Rock down low, you backtown sinners > Rock down low, till you shake the floor > Rock down low, you backtown sinners > Till you can't rock and roll no more > > Everybody's boppin' till there's nothing left up on your heels > Keep a rockin' so your legs are achin' like a tractor wheel > > Rock down low, you backtown sinners > Rock down low, till you shake the floor > Rock down low, you cold house grinners > Till you can't rock and roll no more > > Jeanie asked for help and so you find yourself in touch a jam > Soon be on your knees and try to squeeze you back to Vietnam > > Rock down low, you backtown sinners > Rock down low, till you shake the floor > Rock down low, you cold house grinners > Till you can't rock and roll no more > > Rock down low, till you shake the floor > Rock down low, you backtown sinners > Till you can't rock and roll no more ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Rock Down Low" Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:31:47 -0800 From: Gmcorie first it rocks! Rock down Low comes on like a thunder storm. rolls in slow and easy. before you know it the sax's start's to rumble toe starts to tapping. the sax like the clouds are coming from every where. cello rip's through the sax with a long roar. leg starts tapping wildly sax is a thundering cello is ripping then it goes on by. but for a while it has you in its grip. louisiana george ********** Subject: Happy Birthday George! Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:27:16 -0800 From: MontyDaman (Harold) Happy Birthday George Harrison (60) today!!!! I miss him. Peace & Light Harold XX ********** Subject: Re: Happy Birthday George! Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:13:12 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" We all will miss George. without the Beatles bands like the Move and ELO may never of existed. It would have made a much poorer world for all of us. Think of all the people, myself included, who learned to play the guitar with that great music. They inspired many other people on to great things,alas not me i never found fame and fortune but i enjoyed playing in bands all the same. ********** Subject: Re: Thank Edison! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:23:28 -0800 From: "vellini" > Wouldn't it be cool if Roy Wood and Jeff Lynne got together for these > sessions and recorded something appropriate like, "My Marge", "Baby I > Apologise" or "Dear Elaine"? Can anyone think of any other > appropiate numbers from our heroes' canon that might sound ideal on > the old wax cylinder and bell horn? How about "Mr. Radio"? ********** Subject: Re: Thank Edison! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:39:47 -0800 From: "Bruce & Cathy Anthon" Omnibus would be good! End of Useless Information #450 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]