[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #481 June 19, 2003 In this issue: * Rear Elaine * TOTP Apps * California Man on TOTP * The Casuals * Great singers (cont.) * Move included in CD Compilation * Move List live chats? * Song Of The Week (week of 6/9): "Vote For Me" * Lost Shazam Tapes (cont.) * Roy Wood 1997 Radio Two interview * DVD Audio ============================================================== The contents of this digest are the copyright of The Move "Useless Information" Mailing List and may not be re-published re-distributed elsewhere without permission and credit. To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Rear Elaine Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:03:14 -0700 From: "Martin Kinch" I see that you can now search the BBCs archives to see all the acts that have been on Top of the Pops. It shows the date and also if the show is still in their archive. The link is http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/totpperf/search.pl?type=totp2/ Unfortunately they no longer have the show from the 3rd August 1973 of Roy singing ... "Rear Elaine" (I bet he was glad to see the back of her) However they do say that they have The Move's "California Man" from 22nd June 1972, which is great news (If it's true). A clip I'd love to see again but always assumed that it had been wiped, because (As far as I know ) it has never been shown. I hope that unlike "Rear Elaine" this is not a typing error. (I've just got this feeling that it might be.) ********** Subject: TOTP Apps Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:57:57 -0700 From: "Paul Watkins" Just to let you all know, the TOTP appearance database is now up and running on the BBC's TOTP website. Search for 'Electric Light Orchestra' or 'ELO', 'the Move', 'Roy Wood' & 'Wizzard' and you'll find exactly how many 'dear old beeb' has wiped. :( - travesty I Notice that the Move were (according to the beeb) on TOTP on March 21st performing 'Flowers in the Rain' a whole a full six months before it's release, anyone know exactly when Flowers was recorded (I thought it was during august 67)? Regarding Roy, have a look at the titles, ('Rear Elaine') gives this a whole new meaning :) Here's the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/totpperf/search.pl?type=totp1/ Paul Watkins Web Site: www.watkins1.freeserve.co.uk/index.html (The Move Information Station) ********** Subject: Re: Rear Elaine Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:29:11 -0700 From: "Rob Caiger" Martin wrote: >However they do say that they have The Move's "California Man" from 22nd >June 1972, which is great news (If it's true). It's true - a copy tape was recovered from BBC Scotland recently and it's already set to go on TOTP 2 as soon as Message is released... ********** Subject: Re: Rear Elaine Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:19:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" Now that is great news, i remember this on TOTP'S. I was nearly 11 years old! Nearly 42 now! ********** Subject: California Man on TOTP Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:22:44 -0700 From: "Steve Graham" WOW! That was a great appearance...I remember it well (though I was only 12!) Take it Jeffrey! By the way, Roy and Jeff were pretty bad at lip synching!! ********** Subject: The Casuals Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:36:29 -0700 From: "George Mackenzie" Just got a hold of the cd The Very Best of The Casuals, which of course features "Caroline" plus the B-side "Naughty Boy" which was produced by Roy,(Roy gets a mention on the sleeve). What i would like to ask is this, does anyone know if Roy or even Carl has ever recorded Caroline? ********** Subject: Re: Great singers Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:55:41 -0700 From: Richard Messum Joseph wrote: >I began a listing of all Roy's appearances on other's works/compilations, That sounds fascinating, for sure. I trust you'll let us all know where and when it's posted. Presumably you already know about his appearances on "All This and World War Two," "Annie in Wonderland," "Axis: Bold as Love," Bo Diddley's "London Sessions," "Thick as a Brick" and The Beach Boys' single "It's OK"? (These are all i can think of off the top of my head.) ********** Subject: Move included in CD Compilation Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:07:51 -0700 From: Mike Frankel Just in case it has not been mentioned, The Move are con a CD that comes with the latest issue of Uncut magazine. "I Can Hear The Grass Grow" is included in a "Psychedelic" collection. It is the issue with Pink Floyd on the cover, and the CD has some other great, but known to members of this list, stuff on it. Best to All Mike Frankel ********** Subject: Move List live chats? Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:56:36 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Would any members of this list be interested in live Move chats that can be accessed via the Move List website? I'm in the process of setting this up for the ELO-Showdown list, and it's really no more work to do it for this list as well. I know a lot of list members feel strongly about not wanting to have to register their e-mail address with a service in order to chat, so I think I've got the solution. Anyway, if you're interested, please drop me a quick e-mail so I'll know whether to go ahead with it. P.S. If someone's already hosting a live Move chat, please let me know...I don't mean to step on anyone's toes. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Vote For Me" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:50:56 -0700 From: Richard Messum The story behind "Vote for me" is (according to the notes in the "Movements" box) that, in 1967, The Move planned to release "Cherry Blossom Clinic" as their fourth single, and "Vote for me" was recorded to be its B side, but "someone at the record company decided that Roy's humorous treatment of life in a mental hospital was in bad taste," and it was never released. As to the song itself, it is definitely a product of its time, it would have fit in perfectly well on that first album, but it's not one of Roy's major works. Some nice interplay between the two rhythm guitars, and some typically cynical lyrics -- How do you know when politicians are lying? Their lips are moving. Anyone who seeks power, is unfit to have power. Etc. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Vote For Me" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:46:55 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" It is a great number, and it is crappy not scrappy. I myself got Movements for this. The Jap version is clearer and a lot cleaner sounding. Lyrics stand out better. I liked it the first time i heard it, and it gets better with more plays. Sounds like an album track, would have fitted well on the first Move album with Move 1967. ********** Subject: Re: Lost Shazam Tapes Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:47:00 -0700 From: "Michael J. Cross" Andrew wrote: >Yes you have the rotten cube edit Martin. The Regal Zonophone and first >re-issue on Fly Records sound fantastic and blow all the CD versions >away. I have a question for the list. I have a vinyl double-LP of The Move (the first album w/the pinwheel cover) fused with "Shazam". It's on Fly. The albums are fused back-to-back and reversed (i.e. when you flip the jacket along the horizontal axis the artwork remains right side up to the viewer). Is that the re-issue of Shazam that Andrew's referring to above, or is it a different Fly re-issue? If different, is the mastering/recording quality still as good? Anyone know how rare this puppy is? Note that I'm not asking for it's market value! Best, Mike Cross Rochester, NY ********** Subject: Re: Lost Shazam Tapes Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:00:09 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" If it has the fly on the record label you have the right one. If it has Cube records on the label but a Fly Records cover, its the third re-issue and that sounds dull and compressed. The forth re-issue was the edit of Shazam released with a fine sounding Mono first album. They all carry the same cat number Toofa5/6.You have to look at the record label. Its a cream or white background with a picture of a fly which is black and orange. Some copies have a purple box over the track listings on Shazam reprinting the tracks because they stuck the labels on the wrong side. i.e. side B was the A side etc. It has the same sound quality as the Regal Zon album, very rare now. Mint copies in the UK are worth £18 but you would be lucky to find one! In the States add £8. If you have a good Hi Fi and turntable you are in for a treat. One word of warning, nearly all the Regal Zonophone versions of Shazam skip (jump) on the second side. The Fly re-issue is the best copy to hunt down. I have them all bar the fourth re-issue with the mono first. I heard this but did not buy it because they edited Shazam. The mono first album offer ex sound quality so if you want the mono version of the first album that is worth checking out. I hope i made that clear and it helps if not sure email me. ********** Subject: Re: Lost Shazam Tapes Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:41:54 -0700 From: kakman1 Andrew, What's your opinion of the A&M version of Shazam? Not the 1980 vinyl re-release, but the original 1970, on thicker vinyl, heavier cardboard sleeve, inner sleeve artwork a promotional of other artists and L.Ps on the label. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Roy Wood 1997 Radio Two interview Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:39:55 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins When Alan Heath folded his King Of The Universe fanzine a couple years ago, he was kind enough to send me a few things he thought the Move List would enjoy. Here's some lively banter between Roy Wood and Johnny Walker, from a 1997 Radio Two interview. (Thanks Alan!) ---- Transcribed from the Radio Two interview by Johnny Walker on 5th December 1997 Roy was late arriving at Radio Two due to traffic congestion on the M1, thus the interview commenced as follows: Johnny Walker: Now he's here, (laughter) how's life on the M1? Roy Wood: Good grief we got stuck in all that nonsense down by Luton, it was terrible. JW: Now Mr Wood, let's give you a big build up Roy. Now this man here, he's produced and sung on Number One records with two different bands, he recorded 30 hit singles including the first song ever played on Radio One, and he has the longest and biggest beard in the British music industry! RW: (Laughter). JW: After a time with The Move, Wizzard and ELO he has formed the Roy Wood Big Band which is rocking into the millennium according to the posters. RW: Oh yes, Oh yes. JW: So you've been on the road since October? RW: Yeah we've got 25 dates finishing on the 22nd December, it's going to be all right. JW: It's a lot of people to marshall up in the morning to get them on the bus. RW: It is to be honest, but we have such a great laugh, it doesn't seem quite so much pressure, it's like going on a coach trip with all your mates, if the gigs good at the end of the night it's a bonus. JW: Why are you still gigging? Just for the love of it or...? RW: Yeah, 'cos I enjoy it again. It got to the stage when I was doing all studio work and it was getting a bit claustrophobic with it then. I'm doing it mainly 'cos I enjoy being with the band you know, no other reason. JW: Now let's get back to the beginning. I cut my teeth at amongst other places in Birmingham at the Carlton Club, Carl Wayne and the Vikings, The Move were on there, so what was your first band? RW: A group called Mike Sheridan and the Nightriders, we used to play there as well. JW: And then what happened? Several groups broke up to form The Move? RW: They did yeah. We used to, there's a club called the Cedar Club, all the bands used to play there, we'd used to do like doubles, play somewhere early and we'd play at the Cedar Club later on. And if we weren't playing we'd go down there anyway and like, take the micky out of the other bands that were on, we all sort of became friends really, and I think some people would get a bit fed up, we had to be a bit of a human juke box, working and playing all the top twenty stuff and that, and I'd already written some songs anyway and you know I'd actually found someone who'd wanted to listen to them - the guys out of The Move. JW: With Carl Wayne on vocals? RW: Yeah. JW: And with a famous man and infamous manager called Tony Secunda. RW: Ever so slightly yeah. JW: Ever so slightly and I remember as The Who were smashing up the instruments, I think he thought a bit of violence with The Move on the front pages of the papers, it was smashing up TV's with an axe wasn't it? RW: Yeah. Actually, 'cos I think before that we were probably a better band musically but you know, I mean that caused us a bit of publicity and people were queuing up round the block at the Marquee. JW: But you say you were a better band before. RW: I thought musically I thought we were yeah. JW: It often happens, I remember Steve Winwood, he left the Spencer Davies Group, he said "I can't go on stage and sing Georgia On My Mind and mean it, just night after night after night". You get on the treadmill don't you? Just endless gigs. RW: That's the only problem. Yeah, like I was saying, basically a lot of gigs on this tour, I've done like loads of times before, I enjoy being with the people in the band, there's no pressure you know, it's alright, a good laugh. JW: Now you can get a lot of music on a CD, about 74 minutes worth, but it takes three to catalogue all the fine moments of The Move's career Thirtieth Anniversary Anthology, not bad when you look at this. RW: Yeah, it's alright, I've got a thing about compilation albums to be perfectly honest, I mean the record companies release them and don't actually get in contact with the artist so you can put some input into it, and even though it was recorded years ago they still put it on the shelf now in 1997 with your face on the front, so I really think that you should be consulted about it as to what tracks you want and which order they go in, and that matters for a good album, and a lot of them just put them in chronological order so then you might get three slow ones all together, or three fast ones all together and it doesn't like, mix as a good album. This actually is quite a nice, a good collectors piece, I think you'd have to be a big fan to want it because there's a lot of stuff, bootlegged stuff on there which doesn't particularly appeal to me. JW: It's a shame you weren't consulted, there some box sets which the artists do get very much involved, Jimmy Page remastered all the Led Zeppelin stuff. RW: Yeah. JW: The thing I felt a bit disappointed about a box with three CD's in that you think maybe there's going to be a bit of a booklet in there? RW: Yeah, they should have done that actually. JW: And there isn't so you take out the bit out of the front of the CD and.... RW: It's a bit cheap and nasty. JW: It could do with a few words about some of the history. RW: Yeah, everybody will have to ring me up and I'll tell them about it (Laughter). JW: All right here's one of the songs. [Plays "Blackberry Way"] JW: That's Blackberry Way from Movements the 30th Anniversary Anthology. RW: Blimey! I never thought I'd make it that far. JW: Roy Wood Big Band are on the road, in Tunbridge Wells on the 8th of this month at the Assembly Hall, 9th at Exmouth, 10th Swansea, 18th Boston at the Gliderdrome, 21st in Birmingham. Is it always good when you go back to Brum? RW: Yeah, it's a riot, it's great actually were are having a special one this year as well, the Walsall Jazz Orchestra are actually playing with us so it will be a super band, and I think Nigel Kennedy is going to get up and do a little bit of a scrape as well. JW: A bit of a scrape? Kennedy of course. RW: The artist formerly known as Nige! JW: We'll call him Nige now just to wind him up. And we have some photographs of some of the 12 members of the Big Band and you kind of look at them and you think the auditions must have been like the Commitments, was it? RW: It was hell! (Laughter). JW: And you have got a randy trombone player? RW: Two of them! JW: Two of them! (Laughter). All right well, time to play out with the Christmas record, I guess it's back on release again this year? RW: Well unfortunately not, it gets played on the radio a lot but it's not re-released unfortunately but never mind. JW: I always loved it because right at the end the girls chorus comes in "I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday" (sung with a Brummie accent), and you can tell they are from Birmingham. RW: You certainly can. You have the Big Band version there haven't you? The live version, we actually recorded it at the Swansea festival in the summer, so that was a laugh. JW: All right let's see if the crowd got into the spirit of things even though it was summer time. Roy thanks for battling down the M1 to be with us. RW: Thanks a lot John. JW: Great to see you and good luck with the Big Band and the new music that you are doing. RW: Thanks a lot. JW: And we'll dedicate this to young Michael who is eight years old today and we're all pleased to hear that for his birthday present he's received his first ever radio. Happy birthday Michael and lot's of love from David, and the live version of I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday. [Plays "I Wish I Could Be Christmas Everyday"] JW: And spare a thought for poor old Woody in a band with eight other women. RW: Laughter. [This interview was first transcribed into King Of The Universe Fanzine in 1998.] ********** Subject: DVD Audio Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:56:47 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" Has anyone listened to this format yet? I got me the Doors-LA Woman and Alice Cooper-Billion Dollar Babies a few days back. I only have a SONY 5-1 DVD. This is not a DVD Audio player so I could only play the 5-1 NORMAL DVD tracks. I must say they sounded very good. The Doors was stunning in fact. Now I will need to buy a DVD audio player to get 96Khz/24 bit resolution in both stereo and surround sound. If Rob locates all the multi-tracks will he get the Move ELO and Wizzard released one day in this format? The albums ELO and ELO II exist in Quad. Will we see these make this format in the future? If you have a DVD surround set-up check them out. Some great classic albums are out in that format! ********** Subject: Re: DVD Audio Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:59:23 -0700 From: "Mike Holden" There is quite a bit of debate in various places about the merits of DVD Audio vs SACD. The general concensus I have seen is that SACD is considered more of an audiophile format (i.e. sonically better), but that DVD-A is likely to become the "standard" (like the old Betamax vs VHS wars - the better format lost out to the lower quality one that gained better market penetration). SACD supposedly captures the qualities of analogue better, whereas DVD-A sounds like a good quality digital recording. My ears are not good enough to be able to hear the differences though, I suspect - too many years as a Bass player standing next to the drummer's cymbals! I have just bought Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon on SACD, but have no SACD player yet. However since it is a hybrid disk it will play on a regular CD player as well (allbeit in stereo only). The disks are dual layer to achieve this, and regular CD players recognise one layer, whereas SACD players will see the other one as well. End of Useless Information #481 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]