[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #482 June 24, 2003 In this issue: * Third "First Light" CD * Song Of The Week (week of 6/16): "Rob Roy's Nightmare" * "The Girl Outside" vocal * Self-intro & a question * Meet The Group - Mike Sheridan and the Nightriders * Mustard, anyone? (cont.) * Sound quality of current Move re-issues * Message From The Country * Mustard discussion * Non-album Move songs? ============================================================== The contents of this digest are the copyright of The Move "Useless Information" Mailing List and may not be re-published or re-distributed elsewhere without permission and credit. To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Third "First Light" CD Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:31:54 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Some Early ELO news that Rob posted to the ELO-Showdown list today. Tracks from the first ELO album in quad? First Movement (Jumpin' Biz) perhaps? Be still my heart! Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:45:40 -0700 From: "Rob Caiger" I'm putting together a third ELO title in the First Light series for September release. Subject to Jeff's approval, this will include the remaining Quad versions from the first album. It will be part of EMI's "Early" series. The brief is to do a best of the two previous releases. Unfortunately (depending on your point of view) I've only managed to include 1 track each from the previous releases. There's a shame... The rest are alternate and live versions that haven't been heard before that I couldn't fit on either ELO/First Light or ELO 2. More soon - Rob Face The Music Online - www.ftmusic.com The official information service for ELO & all related artists ********** Subject: Song Of The Week: "Rob Roy's Nightmare" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:33:06 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Song Of The Week: June 16, 2003 "Rob Roy's Nightmare (A Bit More H.A.)" Roy Wood's Wizzard Release in 1973, one of several b-sides to "I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday" Possible discussion topics: Instrumentation Songwriting Arrangement/Production *********************** "Rob Roy's Nightmare" (M. Burney) (instrumental) ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Rob Roy's Nightmare" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:55:27 -0700 From: "Tom De Val" This is one of my favourite Wizzard B-sides. I actually met Mike Burney in the Fiddle & Bone in Brum just before last Christmas, and asked him about this tune. He didn't seem too impressed with his own composition and pretty much laughed it off with the rest of his Wizzard experience as 'manic times'. I then bumped into him again at a big-band rehearsal. I work as a freelance music transcriber and had done some charts for this band and lo and behold, Mike was deputising on tenor sax. As you can imagine it was quite an honour for me to have my charts played by someone who had played for the Woodmeister himself. Anyway, great tune. Who is that doing the shouting after the alarm clock? ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Rob Roy's Nightmare" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:04:35 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Here's something that might change how you listen to "Roy Roy's Nightmare." ;) About four years back, Tim Emerich posted a passage about Mr. Roy from Bev Bevan's book, The ELO Story. Here it is again. (Not for the faint of heart...) ----- "Rob was an American roadie who we had hired exclusively for a tour of the United States. At a date in Kansas City he picked up a girl, spent the night with her and then gave her his home address in Los Angeles. It was 2,000 miles away, but he said if she was in the area at any time in the future she could look him up. Ten days later the tour ended. Four days after that the girl was on Rob Roy's doorstep. He invited her to stay for a few days, which she did quite happily. But the one thing she had forgotten to tell him was that she was married. Rob had a temporary job working for a company called Sundance Lighting and was out of the area when there came another caller at the apartment. But this guy didn't bother to knock. He burst in, carrying a shotgun, and confronted two of Rob's friends and the girl, who were just about to sit down for lunch. 'Which one of you is Rob Roy?' he asked. 'Neither of us.' 'I don't believe you. Show me your ID's.' (You break the law in California if you don't carry some form of documented identification.) They did so. The girl, who had introduced the guy with the shotgun as her husband, was by this time crying hysterically. He locked up the two friends in a bedroom and then took his wife into the bathroom. They heard a single shot. He had killed her. He then waited for hours for the return of Rob Roy. Rob came in with two friends and the three were told to stand in a line by the wall. 'Let's see your ID's,' they were told. As soon as Rob identified himself the jealous husband blew his head off with the gun and calmly left the apartment. The day afterwards, the husband died in a shootout with the police. That story sent a shiver of fear through our energetic road crew - not to mention some of the band. Nowadays if there is even the slightest suspicion that a groupie might be married we don't so much as hold her hand." ********** Subject: "The Girl Outside" vocal Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:54:23 -0700 From: "Martin Nielsen" Andrew Footman wrote: >Yes you have the rotten cube edit Martin. The Regal Zonophone and first >re-issue on Fly Records sound fantastic and blow all the CD versions >away. Anyone who has a decent turntable and has these UK albums on the list >will say the same. Oh, but you forget I have the American A&M vinyl issue. Surely, this must correspond to the original UK version (in any case, it sounds great). Like I said, I don't listen to the Movements version. But now that we're talking about the rottenness of Cube: I have an LP called Flowers In The Rain, on German Cube/Fly recs. The tracks on it are the same as those on the first s/t Move album. But the sound quality is rotten (I find the early Move things incredibly tinny sounding). Where is the best place to hear the early Move? And another thing: the vocal track of "The Girl Outside" on my Flowers... LP is different to the one on the version that appears on Movements (actually, it's better). Can anyone tell me which one of these (if any) is the one that appeared on the original debut Move LP? Martin Denmark ********** Subject: "The Girl Outside" vocal Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:53:07 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" Martin Nielsen wrote: >And another thing: the vocal track of "The Girl Outside" on my >Flowers... LP is different to the one on the version that appears on >Movements (actually, it's better). Can anyone tell me which one of >these (if any) is the one that appeared on the original debut Move LP? If your A&M Shazam sounds great, that is great. The Girl Outside there are two versions which are not the same. The version on Movements is the mono version. There is a stereo version too. The first album was released in mono and stereo, er half was fake stereo. The mono album tends to mostly be the best. The Girl Outside is one of the few stereo tracks on the lp that is better than the mono version. Some of the stereo tracks tend to sound a bit strange. Movements sounds tinny and will sound no better than the records you have. Try to find the Jap mini lp sleeve 24 bit remastered CD's. They really sound good bar the album Shazam and have all the tracks of Movements. Try Ebay - i got 2 of the 3 from there. They are MOVE, SHAZAM and LOOKING ON. These do not sound tinny in fact they sound ex. I would not recommend Movements, it is awful sound wise. I have the Movement's set, i never play it because it sounds crap and also the artwork is poor to. In fact it is best to avoid this and buy the normal Move, Shazam and Looking On cd's which are out now. They are the same tracks and order of the Jap CD's and you will have both versions of The Girl Outside too. They have the better mono version of the Move first album and the only stereo first album tracks worth having. You will get these no problem. Make sure to do not buy the older CD release's of them or you will not get the rare tracks of the Movement's set. I hope this has been of help. ********** Subject: Self-intro & a question Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:18:18 -0700 From: "David Biasotti" I've been receiving the posts in Digest form for about a month now, and wanted to say how much I've been enjoying it all. I myself came to my Move education in weird fashion, but, I suspect, not that much different from many Americans of my vintage who discovered them. ELO's "No Reply" was my first encounter & I proceeded chronologically _backwards_ to the 1st Move album. It was instant love, what can I say. My best friend had heard "10538 Overture" on the radio on its American release, & almost breathlessly told me I HAD TO hear this thing. Well, he was right. I guess you could say I was someone who was rather miffed that the Beatles had, for whatever reasons, not pushed things _farther_ after "I Am the Walrus." And that my beloved Byrds seemed to do an about-face after the "Notorious Byrd Brothers." I was ripe for Roy Wood & Jeff Lynne, in other words. But I can't begin to convey to you how _little_ a lot of us Americans knew about Wood or Lynne at the time. For a start, when I listened to the 1st ELO album, I connected Jeff Lynne's voice with Bev Bevan's picture for the longest time! Thought that must surely be the guy. When the "Shazam" LP arrived (by mail order), I was _really_ confused. Who was Carl Wayne? It didn't take long to get the basic story sorted out. (Thank you, Richard Cromelin! Enough about me, now to my question. A friend of mine once referred to a video compilation of Move TV appearances he had. Somewhere. He & his wife, at my entreaty, dug around through their archives, but couldn't locate it. I myself have never even seen a video of Roy Wood holding a guitar, much less Ace Kefford, Carl Wayne, or Trevor Burton miming, or whatever they did on the appearances in question. As the possibility of a commercially-available video seem rather remote, I'd ask anyone on this list who possesses such a thing to contact me off-list. I'd be forever grateful. Though not myself a collector, per se, I do live in Japan, & thus would be able to offer in return a Japanese version of something that would otherwise be pretty pricey wherever you might live. Thanks. best regards, David B. ********** Subject: Erratum Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:18:35 -0700 From: "David Biasotti" The 1st ELO album is "No ANSWER." I have this mental block about that, for some reason. Just ask Rob C. ;-) ********** Subject: Re: Self-intro & a question Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:23:18 -0700 From: "Bobby Sutliff" Welcome David! I recently came into a murky many generation removed Move video collection. I unfortunately have no way to duplicate it but I'll check with my original source. One thing became obvious after watching it though - Ace Kefford was the unsung star of the original group! When he moves up to the mic to sing his parts it's electric. I first became aware of the Move when I bought an A & M sampler that contained an edited version of Hello Suzie. Within a short time I bought everything I could find by them and have loved them ever since. ********** Subject: Meet The Group - Mike Sheridan and the Nightriders Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:03:56 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Remember that cool vinyl album Tim said he found on his birthday? "Mike Sheridan & the Nightriders - Birmingham Beat" on Edsel? Andrew Footman went to the time and trouble of scanning ALL of the liner notes (bless you!) and has sent them to me to share with the list. Here's the first of many. This one's called "Meet The Group": http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/move_list/ms_01.html (The image is large, so that the print is easily readable. The page load time is about 1 minute with a 56K dial-up connection.) ********** Subject: Re: Mustard, anyone? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:17:44 -0700 From: "davidburley" Martin Kinch writes: >I've always liked the sleeve, but have always been puzzled as to why Roy >didn't finish off colouring in the rest of the black squares on the back. >Perhaps, like Boulders, the record company released it before Roy had >finished it. Maybe the problem was, like most things he does, Roy got bored! : o ) Regards David Burley Burley Towers ********** Subject: Re: Mustard, anyone? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:04:41 -0700 From: STEVE KLEMZ I love roy but god i hate his artwork. The american cover to message from the country is much cooler than the british. boulders, mustard yuck!!!! and dont get me started on main st.... ********** Subject: Sound quality of current Move re-issues Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:17:39 -0700 From: Spikesblues (Rick) Andrew Footman wrote: >The Jap 24 bit mastered mini sleeve CD's are the best sounding Move CD's. I don't know if Andrew or anyone else has been able to compare the sound between the Japanese mini-lp sleeves and the Repertoire versions. The tracks on each cd and the running order are identical, and although i have far from the best audio system, when i a-b'd them, it seemed that the sound was about the same, with the possible exception of "Looking On", which did seem to sound a bit better than the Repertoire version. Any other opinions on this particular comparison? ********** Subject: Re: Sound quality of current Move re-issues Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:23:11 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" I have the first Repertoire releases and these do not match the Jap ones. In fact the first album is worse sounding than Movement's! If the new versions equal the Jap ones seek them out. Maybe they sneaked the Jap mastering versions out. You say Looking On sounds better. Now if that is so, that will sound good. Alas i have so many copies of these albums i will only get Rob's. I must have 10 copies (4 ON LP) of Looking On! Buy the Repertoire releases on Rick's recomendation or if you like something a bit special try and find the Jap mini lp sleeve CD's. Thanks for the info Rick, we should all help steer folks away from the crud sounding stuff. Your info will now stop folks buying the poor Movements set now. They can get the Repertoire CD's instead and maybe pay less than the Movements sets. Remember make sure you buy the new repertoire CD's with the movements rare stuff and not the older CD's. If not sure feel free to ask. ********** Subject: Message From The Country Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:52:22 -0700 From: "davidburley" So Roy's dithering around with Message From The Country is he? What we need is a popular (respected) musician to record one of Roy's songs. Get a bit of profile, interest etc... I have two suggestions: 1. Oasis: Brontosaurus Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Oasis. But just imagine Liam Gallagher singing "Well her sister used to hate it, so I never thought she'd make it..." 2. Paul Weller (a fan): anything Regards David Burley Burley Towers ********** Subject: Mustard discussion Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:04:47 -0700 From: "Martin Nielsen" Oh yeah, Mustard is my favorite Roy Wood album too. And also very accessible I think. I mean, I heard the record when I was 11 and liked it immediately! On this album, Wood finally, for the first time since Shazam, gets the drum sound right, for one thing. Just listen to "Any Old Time Will Do". (But then I suppose on the Wizzard records he was going for a Phil Spector sound, which meant less prominent and "dry" drums.) "The Rain Came Down..." and "The Song" must be his most moving ballads ever. How did he do the female sounding soul/blues vocal on "You Sure Got It Now"? Where does the classical piano theme on "The Song" come from? Martin Denmark ********** Subject: Re: Mustard discussion Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:13:19 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Martin Nielsen asked: >Where does the classical piano theme on "The Song" come from? Boy, that's a good question that a lot of fans have asked. A while back one list member said it reminded him of Bach's "Ave Maria," and thought that perhaps Roy had embellished the melody line of the cello. What do you think? ********** Subject: Re: Mustard discussion Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:22:49 -0700 From: Lisa Naysmith Hi all, I'm in no doubt that the theme from The Song is based on Ave Maria, because a couple of months ago I heard a particular recording of AM that sounded like it note for note. I have heard other arrangements of AM where you wouldn't make that link, so maybe the connection is not quite as obvious as I thought, but it's safe to say that it's no coincidence! ********** Subject: Non-album Move songs? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:23:03 -0700 From: Garry Roff >I would not recommend Movements, it is awful sound wise. >I have the Movement's set, I never play it because it sounds crap and also the artwork is poor to. >In fact it is best to avoid this and buy the normal Move, Shazam and Looking On cds which are out now. Andy, I was going to buy the Movements set but I will take your advise and avoid it. My question now is, I have Move, Shazam, Looking On, Message (soon to be replaced :) and California Man CDs, they all sound great, (the Shazam is the Jap one you spoke of). Which CD is the best one to buy to get the "rest" of the Move's songs like "Wild Tiger Woman" and "Wave Your Flag and Stop the Train"? I would be very interested to know which CD people on the list think is the best collection of non-album Move songs. Cheers, Garry - SYDNEY ********** Subject: Re: Non-album Move songs?? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:24:30 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins >Which CD is the best one to buy to get the "rest" of the Move's songs like >"Wild Tiger Woman" and "Wave Your Flag and Stop the Train"? > >I would be very interested to know which CD people on the list think is the >best collection of non-album Move songs. Hi Garry, You can go one of two ways to get a lot of non-album singles: "THE MOVE - HITS & RARITIES/SINGLES A's & B's" 2CD Label: Repertoire Catalogue Number: REP4665 Released: 18 October 1999 Night Of Fear | The Disturbance | I Can Hear The Grass Grow | Wave Your Flag And Stop The Train | Flowers In The Rain | (Here We Go Round) The Lemon Tree | Cherry Blossom Clinic | Vote For Me | Fire Brigade | Walk Upon The Water | Wild Tiger Woman | Omnibus | Blackberry Way | Something | Yellow Rainbow | Curly | This Time Tomorrow | Brontosaurus | Lightning Never Strikes Twice | Something (Italian Version) | When Alice Comes Back To The Farm | What? | Kilroy Was Here | Turkish Tram Conductor Blues | Beautiful Daughter | Ella James | No Time | Tonight | Don't Mess Me Up | My Marge | Chinatown | Down On The Bay | California Man | Do Ya | So You Want To Be A Rock'N'Roll Star | Stephanie Knows Who | Something Else | It'll Be Me | Sunshine Help Me | Useless Information -OR- Get the "Move" and "Looking On" Repertoire reissues... THE MOVE: "MOVE" (Remastered) Label: Repertoire Catalogue Number: REP 4690 Released: 25 February 1998 1. Yellow Rainbow 2. Kilroy Was Here 3. (Here We Go Round) The Lemon Tree (single b-side) 4. Weekend 5. Walk Upon The Water (single b-side) 6. Flowers In The Rain (single a-side) 7. Hey Grandma 8. Useless Information 9. Zing Went The Strings Of My Heart 10. The Girl Outside 11. Fire Brigade (single a-side) 12. Mist On A Monday Morning 13. Cherry Blossom Clinic BONUS TRACKS 14. Night Of Fear (single a-side) 15. Disturbance (single b-side) 16. I Can Hear The Grass Grow (single a-side) 17. Wave Your Flag And Stop The Train (single b-side) 18. Vote For Me (single b-side) 19. Disturbance (previously unreleased) 20. Fire Brigade (previously unreleased) 21. Second Class (previously unreleased) 22. (Here We Go Round) The Lemon Tree 23. Weekend 24. Flowers In The Rain 25. Useless Information 26. Zing Went The Strings Of My Heart 27. The Girl Outside 28. Cherry Blossom Clinic THE MOVE: "LOOKING ON" (Remastered) Label: Repertoire Catalogue Number: REP 4692 Released: 27 November 2000 1. Looking On 2. Turkish tram Conductor Blues (single b-side) 3. What? (single b-side) 4. When Alice Comes Back To The Farm (single a-side) 5. Open Up Said The World At The Door 6. Brontosaurus (single a-side) 7. Feel Too Good BONUS TRACKS 8. Wild Tiger Woman (single a-side) 9. Omnibus (single b-side) 10. Blackberry Way (single a-side) 11. Something (single b-side) 12. Curly (single a-side) 13. This Time Tomorrow (single b-side) 14. Lightning Never Strikes Twice (single b-side) 15. Something (Italian version - previously unreleased) 16. Wild Tiger Woman Blues (previously unreleased - early undubbed version) 17. Curly Where's Your Girlie (previously unreleased - early alternate version) ********** Subject: Re: Non-album Move songs?? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:24:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" There is a double cd called Singles a's and b's i'm sure someone on the list will tell you if it sounds good. The California Man CD sounds very good i have that myself. I would sell your Move and Looking On .And replace with the repertoire CD's. You will have the proper UK length single mix's and mono uk first with the only stereo tracks worth having. Those 2 (With your Jap Shazam) will give you everything on Movements and more! You will pick them up cheap too, try ebay. Check they are the newer release's if not sure ask me i will put you right. Or try to get the 2 Jap mini sleeve CD'S they still appear on Ebay from time to time. You have one and know they look cool. I LOVE THEM! End of Useless Information #482 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. 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