(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[ING]SZ[19]KM[8]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian]
PW[Feng Yun 9p]PB[Jie Li 9d]WR[9p]BR[9d]DT[2006-12-18]EV[2006 North American Masters Tournament]RO[1]PC[Seattle Go Center]SO[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[NeoNemesis [?\]: alllright... go Jie
]RE[W+8.00]
;B[pd]C[waykay [3k\]: Go Feng Yun!
]
;W[dp]C[NeoNemesis [?\]: Q16, a brilliant mover
]
;B[qp]
;W[dd]
;B[fq]
;W[op]
;B[cn]C[baltimore [3k\]: no thinking at all
baltimore [3k\]: true pro's
TheOne [-\]: lol
]
;W[dn]
;B[dm]
;W[en]
;B[cq]
;W[co]
;B[dq]
;W[cm]C[HKA [2d\]: Jie Li will try to stay ahead on time
]
;B[oq]
;W[nq]
;B[pq]
;W[np]
;B[qn]
;W[hq]
;B[gp]
;W[hp]
;B[go]
;W[ho]
;B[gn]
;W[hn]C[BliSof [2d\]: holy crap
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: oh, they play so fast
HKA [2d\]: but here we are clearly catching up on a game that has been going on
waykay [3k\]: pretty much yeah :)
NAMT2006 [?\]: The game is live now.  Those were recorded games.
NAMT2006 [?\]: moves.
NeoNemesis [?\]: TheOne should comment
HKA [2d\]: the weak guy?
TheOne [-\]: Neo should comment
NAMT2006 [?\]: Welcome to the Finals for the NAMT Tournament held here at the Seattle Go Center
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: thanks NAMT2006
NAMT2006 [?\]: The AGA, Ing Foundation and the Seattle Go Center hope you all enjoy these games
NeoNemesis [?\]: we should get cherry to comment
BliSof [2d\]: Is Black even settled fully here?
veggie [?\]: this is on KGS only?
]
;B[gm]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: sure
baltimore [3k\]: i dont see the igs game...
NAMT2006 [?\]: no veggie, just getting it all situated out
Kamenoitte [-\]: How can this be good for Black?
mayonnaise [5k\]: i agree. cherryshould comment
Kamenoitte [-\]: pushing, I mean
cnrc [4d\]: yes Black is settled, BliSof
sbcap [4d\]: who is black??
veggie [?\]: OK, thx
waykay [3k\]: veggie any comments on the opening?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: read the names of the players over the timer
fathwad [2k?\]: go jie go...
IrimiNage [-\]: black is jie li 9d <- my educated guess
BliSof [2d\]: from the style of play, B is amatuer
BliSof [2d\]: I think.
veggie [?\]: i cannot see the move sequence on CGoban
nightbug [8k?\]: veggie, view->offline
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: clone the game
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: or view offline
TheOne [-\]: w stones are more efficient
veggie [?\]: i c
nightbug [8k?\]: Yeah, I hate it too when we can't rewind locally for demo game.  :(
]
;W[dl]
;B[nm]C[yoyoma [1k\]: Who will volunteer to lead a clone?
yoyoma [1k\]: I will if no stronger player will
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: wait for next vwersion with pro-relay feature
nightbug [8k?\]: how will a clone help?
Librarian [5k?\]: clones are the solution
waykay [3k\]: it will only help you see the first few moves
BliSof [2d\]: O7 seems very dynamic.  Strong looking move.
nightbug [8k?\]: If you clone, you can rewind, but others can't.
yoyoma [1k\]: In clone, leader can show variations
nightbug [8k?\]: So cloning for yourself help, but having a designated clone doesn.t
nightbug [8k?\]: i c.
ychen666 [3d?\]: how to turn on the sound?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: buy speakers
nightbug [8k?\]: Ya .. why is sound off?  :(
Kamenoitte [-\]: How would black have played if White hadn't played D8?
Librarian [5k?\]: let us hear the CLACK in 32bit 192khz
akahi: normally it's on by default, so it's probably your speakers
]
;W[hm]C[zchen [7d\]: 男人不能耸啊
nightbug [8k?\]: But black can E7 if he wants to.
fhayashi [5k\]: so there needs to be an additional kind of game for live tournament reports, which is like a demo, but rewindable for the viewers...
waykay [3k\]: How about in English Michael? :P
veggie [?\]: i replayed the sequence offline, so far seems like an uneventful opening
ychen666 [3d?\]: 测试
bootman: is sum1 commenting this game?
nightbug [8k?\]: fhayashi yes.
Queselk [12k\]: it  might be because its review
]
;B[mo]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]C[Queselk [12k\]: i cant hear clack
nightbug [8k?\]: bug?
ray12 [-\]: me to
akahi: T_T
Librarian [5k?\]: hmm i can actually
Librarian [5k?\]: try rejoin maybe?
Queselk [12k\]: i can hear other things on my computer though
Queselk [12k\]: yea
ray12 [-\]: perhaps your speakers arent working?
veggie [?\]: question for all, what is W's tesuji to impact B at lower left?
nightbug [8k?\]: it is, because when I hit backspace on empty chat line, I hear ding.
Queselk [12k\]: i can hear other things
Nyanjilla [-\]: look at Set Preferences, under the File menu
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: to hear the sound of stones get a real board and place a stone real hard
bootman: is jie li not pro?  why does it say only 9d?
texaspete2 [1k\]: it's strange that w played M4 so fast but is thinking now
Nyanjilla [-\]: click on Sound enables
fhayashi [5k\]: e2?
waykay [3k\]: veggie, e2?
nightbug [8k?\]: No, Jie is not pro
Trevoke [13k\]: Jie Li is only 9d
Queselk [12k\]: better
veggie [?\]: e2, then?
Trevoke [13k\]: .. 'only'
Librarian [5k?\]: update your directx
akahi: jie li isn't pro
nightbug [8k?\]: He is debatably the best amateur.  :)
waykay [3k\]: black fills, f2
veggie [?\]: what happens after B f2?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: pls, just stop the silly comments and watch the game
ychen666 [3d?\]: where is the Sound option?
Queselk [12k\]: using new comp and it doesnt have the same settings for some reason
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: stop with the sound . !
veggie [?\]: no, B will f2
akahi: he's american, I think. feng yun is chinese
nightbug [8k?\]: CCL, you were the one with silly comments on placing stone hard to hear sound.
bootman: kan jie li beat will zhang?
weekend [3d\]: both are chinese
TheOne [-\]: can jie li beat chuck norris??
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: chinese rulz
Librarian [5k?\]: lol
nightbug [8k?\]: Jie is borned Chinese, maybe naturalized by now.
akahi: american-chinese then
fhayashi [5k\]: w e2, f2, then....
mayonnaise [5k\]: chuck norris will roundhose kick the go board in half D:
nightbug [8k?\]: Feng Yun is also currently in US.
pwaldron [4d\]: seems white getting overconcetrated at the bottom, or am I imagining it?
akahi: or is it the other way round?
waykay [3k\]: gotta have something to do with a wedge cut
Librarian [5k?\]: jie li doesnt play stones, he kindly allows them to line up in perfect shape
saemj [2k?\]: please no chuck norris "jokes"
nightbug [8k?\]: Feng Yun started a Go school in New Jersey.
bootman: chuck norris is actor no?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: pls, only game comments
Torinouta [1d\]: they are not jokes.  they are fact.
shai [1d\]: can/should W tenuki?  Seems yes
nightbug [8k?\]: No.
nightbug [8k?\]: L4 is happy
nightbug [8k?\]: line of victory
nightbug [8k?\]: :D
akahi: black influence is good
waykay [3k\]: okay veggie I give, what is the tesuji :)
shai [1d\]: l4 is line of wasted moves
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: this is a serious game not your usual captain's semeai
texaspete2 [1k\]: f2 maybe
texaspete2 [1k\]: for w
Torinouta [1d\]: captain's semeai is a very serious business.
Librarian [5k?\]: L5?
bootman: what does f2 do?
nightbug [8k?\]: So serious that you made comments about placing stone hard on goban to hear sound?
akahi: f2 helps w settle
Queselk [12k\]: is there a good way to get territory on the left for black?
nightbug [8k?\]: CCL, look at what you say before commenting on others.
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;W[po]C[nightbug [8k?\]: Queselk, upper left still approachable.
texaspete2 [1k\]: it makes e3 not an eye, I guess
Queselk [12k\]: looks scary
XY0908 [-\]: I am sorry to bother you but is w Miss Feng Yun?
nightbug [8k?\]: XY, yes.
waykay [3k\]: Mrs, and yes
weakplaya [1d\]: :P
waykay [3k\]: you see at the top right?  It shows the players
nightbug [8k?\]: Ms
XY0908 [-\]: thanks.
TheOne [-\]: when chuck norris makes a move, his opponents stones jump back into the bowl
akahi: explaination of f2 tesuji can be found in 'fundamentals of go'
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: read the names of the players, pls
nightbug [8k?\]: As to her marital status, I do not know.
fathwad [2k?\]: someone should make real comments :(
Queselk [12k\]: he only needs one eye to make his groups live
weakplaya [1d\]: like theone said
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: she
texaspete2 [1k\]: what's the answer, veggie?
]
;B[pn]C[weakplaya [1d\]: when chuck norris makes a move, 
XY0908 [-\]: please guys...
weakplaya [1d\]: he's opponents stones jump back into the bowl
weakplaya [1d\]: :P
akahi: feng yun was married last I heard
saemj [2k?\]: STOP the Chuck nonsence, i realy dont want to start putting people on ignore
fhayashi [5k\]: veggie seems to have gone
Cyclone001 [?\]: ok enough chuck norris please
akahi: to her college sweetheart or some junk
nightbug [8k?\]: akahi, thanks.  :)
GoTraining [11k\]: where is this game being played?
]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]
;W[rp]
;B[rq]C[waykay [3k\]: I think he prefers IGS, but I don't see the game being broadcast there
nightbug [8k?\]: GoTraining, I think in WA.
TheOne [-\]: they are playing in the seventh circle of hell
slacker14 [-\]: seatlle go center
GoTraining [11k\]: hmm
GoTraining [11k\]: igs? dgs?
NAMT2006 [?\]: we are working on the igs broadcast
nightbug [8k?\]: And slacker is more concise.  :)
CardCaptor [2k\]: is it necessary to defend around l4?
Mef [-\]: Is this game going to end tonight?
pwaldron [4d\]: oh come on, TheOne, Seattle isn't that bad :)
velobici [2k?\]: who is he that would prefer igs to kgs?  the game recorder?  who is that ?
NeoNemesis [?\]: eh... screw IGS.... kgs is good enough
fathwad [2k?\]: lol..
TheOne [-\]: :)
nightbug [8k?\]: NAMT, thanks for broadcast here, don't worry about IGS.  :)
Queselk [12k\]: the one can you comment for us?
Librarian [5k?\]: dont ask people to comment, please
NeoNemesis [?\]: KGS.quality() > IGS.quality()
Queselk [12k\]: this is true
TheOne [-\]: i think neo should comment
pasky [13k\]: but we poor mid-kyu players would like to understand the tesujis :(
BliSof [2d\]: White 30 was probably not good
BliSof [2d\]: should have kakair at R14
NeoNemesis [?\]: i think cherry should comment
nightbug [8k?\]: KGS.chat.level() > IGS.chat.level()
fathwad [2k?\]: too much java wayne :(
Librarian [5k?\]: well kgs has certainly richest potential for kibitz
shai [1d\]: Let the strongest players comment -- and the chitchat can go to the cell phones
CardCaptor [2k\]: if u want ill comment but itll be moreof a discussion haha
fhayashi [5k\]: what was the f2 business? is that a move for white there?
akahi: pasky, you're not still on about f2, are you?
rabarbar [1k\]: f2 doesnt work imo
CardCaptor [2k\]: im assuming by cherry u mean me
NeoNemesis [?\]: i think wms should make it so that all comments start as /* and end in */
nightbug [8k?\]: shai thanks.  ahem .. S3 is natural.  :)
BliSof [2d\]: F2 does not work.
saemj [2k?\]: f2 is not big at all
rabarbar [1k\]: you meant probably f2 g2 e2
pasky [13k\]: akahi: seems to me that either white gets to cut around f4 or capture some territory at the bottom
Cyclone001 [?\]: easier to make comments with: //
fhayashi [5k\]: i am wondering what the answer was for veggie's question
NeoNemesis [?\]: except C doens't take //
fathwad [2k?\]: or you can javadoc.
Queselk [12k\]: cant black cut white off?
fathwad [2k?\]: ..
Cyclone001 [?\]: c99 does
Queselk [12k\]: with q4
akahi: f2 is normally used after 3-3 joseki where w has a stone at e4
nightbug [8k?\]: White can S6 and then S7, but will be kept low, nothing to gain there.
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;W[kp]C[nightbug [8k?\]: Better to just L4.
]
;B[qf]C[nightbug [8k?\]: :)
CardCaptor [2k\]: ah l4
CardCaptor [2k\]: ok
CardCaptor [2k\]: that was my question
Queselk [12k\]: no s6
CardCaptor [2k\]: =)
XY0908 [-\]: whoa... no time for R14!
waykay [3k\]: Ji doesn't agree XY0908 :)
BliSof [2d\]: White's opening is bad.
shai [1d\]: how can w be happy with a 5 stone wall 2 spaces from l4?
fathwad [2k?\]: jie seems to know exactly what he wants to do..
akahi: b is good - trust him now and then
waykay [3k\]: White's opening feels over concentrated, I think black is better for the game
akahi: he has beaten feng yun before
nightbug [8k?\]: Black probably eyed that during thinking time for all previous moves.
blackness2 [1k\]: b is ama?
nightbug [8k?\]: You think what you do when you get the next sente.
nightbug [8k?\]: Then again, it's Feng Yun.
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;W[on]C[Mef [-\]: B is strong ama
blackness2 [1k\]: heh i believe it
nightbug [8k?\]: No .. that's crazy for S6 IMO.
fhayashi [5k\]: veeeeery strong
Torinouta [1d\]: B is AGA 9d, W is pro 9d, AGA 10d
Queselk [12k\]: p6 then s6 i like
]
;B[om]
;W[rn]
;B[sp]
;W[pm]C[fathwad [2k?\]: lol..
]
;B[qm]
;W[pl]C[fathwad [2k?\]: undo?
CardCaptor [2k\]: that seems like a s6 is good
fhayashi [5k\]: probably misreported move
nightbug [8k?\]: No .. NAMT transcribe error.
Mef [-\]: broadcaster got move order wrong
shai [1d\]: now wall is okay!
rabarbar [1k\]: yea W wall will be used
NAMT2006 [?\]: Yes mistake
akahi: someone got ahead of themselves
nightbug [8k?\]: To err is human.  :)
Queselk [12k\]: nice
CardCaptor [2k\]: is this blitz?
TheOne [-\]: lol
CardCaptor [2k\]: they are playing fast
Torinouta [1d\]: lol
fhayashi [5k\]: is it really 1 hour time limit for each?
nightbug [8k?\]: No, not blitz, it's being transcribed, so ignore timing.  :)
Queselk [12k\]: fluctuatng blitz
waykay [3k\]: haha, no there was some initial moves playout before namt got here
Mef [-\]: It's not blitz....but it's not title match time setting either
ychen666 [3d?\]: replay is disabled?
fhayashi [5k\]: ychen - yes.  unforunate property of demo type game
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: this is a relayed game!!!
nightbug [8k?\]: Anyone knows what the real time setting is?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: stop the silly comments pls?
CardCaptor [2k\]: not blitz
texaspete2 [1k\]: w's wall could let w cut at q7
Queselk [12k\]: o6
nightbug [8k?\]: ychen666, view->offline.
CardCaptor [2k\]: how about r9?
pasky [13k\]: akahi: well but w f2, b e3, w g3, b f4, white didn't gain too much?
yoyoma [1k\]: so white played some forcing moves R5/S4...  then took L4
]
;B[nn]
;W[oo]
;B[rm]C[yoyoma [1k\]: black had choice to fix wall, but took R14 instead
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: the problem is B center stones must not get trapped
Queselk [12k\]: why not r8?
yoyoma [1k\]: so then white cut through
nightbug [8k?\]: Now white is in for tough fight.
Mef [-\]: If anyone is curious about time or rules: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/Rules.php
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: because R8 is bad?
nightbug [8k?\]: Thanks Mef.
Mef [-\]: no problem
ychen666 [3d?\]: thanks, nightbug!
Queselk [12k\]: yea puts pressure on blacks center
pasky [13k\]: queselk: black? I think it wants to avoid the white wall in q column
Queselk [12k\]: i guess
Librarian [5k?\]: w just gonna p9 now? interesting :-o
CardCaptor [2k\]: um... i think black might be doing a bit better territorywise
Solid30k [5k\]: guo juan should have commented this game :(
nightbug [8k?\]: So it's 1 hr main and 10 mins for 25 stones?
Mef [-\]: I think so
shai [1d\]: P9 for W?
Battousai [-\]: boo. finally got the igs feed working and it gets adjourned
mafutrct [14k\]: btw, where is guo from?
nightbug [8k?\]: I was hoping title game will have longer settings.
yithril [1k\]: china
Solid30k [5k\]: china
nightbug [8k?\]: guo is also borned Chinese.
jaimek [5k\]: seriously
fathwad [2k?\]: guo from mexico
yithril [1k\]: lives in holland now
yithril [1k\]: i think
Torinouta [1d\]: you fail fathwad.
fathwad [2k?\]: :(
baltimore [3k\]: this whole tournament has been online
Mef [-\]: Well it's already 7:40pm there, they don't want to go all night
Torinouta [1d\]: =/
baltimore [3k\]: with these same settings
jaimek [5k\]: heya torinouta
Torinouta [1d\]: hello
fathwad [2k?\]: guo juan right?
Queselk [12k\]: its 10:42 where i am
nightbug [8k?\]: But this is title game.
yithril [1k\]: woah queselk
yithril [1k\]: same time zone
Torinouta [1d\]: it's 7:40 pm here ^_^
yithril [1k\]: groovy
Queselk [12k\]: scary
CardCaptor [2k\]: p11?
Solid30k [5k\]: w q10
dougghost [3k\]: i hope some high dan will give some comment
Mef [-\]: It is title game, but it's only a semi-pro title, not really a pro title....
jaimek [5k\]: s8
CardCaptor [2k\]: i don't like attacking a single weak group
CardCaptor [2k\]: its usually better to wait for 2
lepore [2d\]: why aren't you at the go center torinouta?
texaspete2 [1k\]: good players don't make 2 weak groups
dougghost [3k\]:  i hope some high dan will give some comment
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W will play around O16 now?
CardCaptor [2k\]: sure, always happens i think
Torinouta [1d\]: gas, + my SUV is wrecked, so i'd have to use gas-guzzling family car =(
Queselk [12k\]: shusaku did
nightbug [8k?\]: That's why CardCaptor only play weak players.
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: pls, stop ALL no-game comments
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: thx
filiformis [1k?\]: anybody trying to watch on igs? the game seems to be there but when i click it i get the wrong game
Queselk [12k\]: wait torinouta what car is more gas guzzling then SUV
texaspete2 [1k\]: your comments are also unrelated to the game
Torinouta [1d\]: a 2001 ford excursion ^_^
texaspete2 [1k\]: they're about the comments to the game
Queselk [12k\]: ahhhh
akahi: hit 'refresh' filiformis

nomad [ 7d \]: it's not clear that W now wants to move her two stones...
nomad [ 7d \]: but, if she does, what is W's tesuji here?
nomad [ 7d \]: hint: s8 or p9
malf [ 4k \]: :)
]
;W[ok]
;B[mk]C[LemoNT [15k \]: 1:1 payout? :)
]
;W[rl]C[CardCaptor [2k\]: white is a bit too weak to try to attack white right now?
nightbug [8k?\]: R10
fathwad [2k?\]: not sure if W should attack W..
DevilBat [11k?\]: white is to weak to attack white., hmmm
Torinouta [1d\]: lol
dougghost [3k\]: what would cho u do?
pasky [13k\]: that's what self-atari is all about, isn't it?
CardCaptor [2k\]: white>black
nightbug [8k?\]: Steal the base first.
Rosina [2k\]: F17
TheOne [-\]: r11
Torinouta [1d\]: P8 has to attack P9, suicide-tesuji.
akahi: just gotta see if b wants to go all in
Torinouta [1d\]: O9* ^_^
nightbug [8k?\]: No .. letting white R11 is too nice for white.
nightbug [8k?\]: er .. R12
Queselk [12k\]: r9
nightbug [8k?\]: Must R10.  :D
dougghost [3k\]: what would yoda do?
nightbug [8k?\]: R9 is suicide.

nomad [ 7d \]: that's too easy
LemoNT [15k \]: or both :D
nomad [ 7d \]: next move? any suggestions?
atheist [ BC \]: L13
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;B[qi]C[Queselk [12k\]: how so
TheOne [-\]: yes!
NeoNemesis [?\]: and theone is right
nightbug [8k?\]: Aw .. timid .. R11.  :P
Queselk [12k\]: nvm
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: sure R11 is natural
fathwad [2k?\]: he is the one afterall..
pasky [13k\]: nightbug: what if white responds r12 if b did r10?
yithril [1k\]: what the heck is going on
texaspete2 [1k\]: yeah, r9 would be a wasted move
filiformis [1k?\]: thanks akahi
CardCaptor [2k\]: wait, why r10?
Queselk [12k\]: now r9?
japanmonk [5d\]: R10 would be too close 
Solid30k [5k\]: p11 w
nightbug [8k?\]: pasky, black can connect.
japanmonk [5d\]: and white can play the tesuji R11
japanmonk [5d\]: I think

rbarnuska [ 2d \]: O11
nomad [ 7d \]: L13? ....
]
;W[pi]C[nightbug [8k?\]: But either way, that area is good, must steal the base.  :)
foe [2k\]: TheOne are you a highlander fan?
waykay [3k\]: Matrix.
Queselk [12k\]: yea
TheOne [-\]: i am a fan of long naps
waykay [3k\]: What about pie?  I like pie.
nightbug [8k?\]: Now, tough choice .. R10, R12, Q12 .. which one?
]
;B[ph]C[CardCaptor [2k\]: would it be better to just pull back?
shai [1d\]: What does W expect from this attack... Bs stones at P6-7 not so weak -- 
CardCaptor [2k\]: ah guess not
rabarbar [1k\]: pae ?
yithril [1k\]: not really seeing this as an attack
jackmani [1d?\]: w group seems heavy
nightbug [8k?\]: White is tough now, black can profit.
yithril [1k\]: this looks craptacular for w
Mef [-\]: w expects life 
shai [1d\]: m7 is impORTANT FOR SHAPE
nightbug [8k?\]: But black needs to fight in white territory at some point.
CardCaptor [2k\]: not right now
jaimek [5k\]: could a high dan explain why white played like this instead of addressing the top side earlier?  the aji for this still would have been there, no?
texaspete2 [1k\]: my&
BliSof [2d\]: W is aggressive.
nightbug [8k?\]: Not time for M7 yet, still lots of room to run.
nightbug [8k?\]: P11 natural, but b R10 is painful?
pasky [13k\]: japanmonk: the w r11 tesuji looks beautiful
Queselk [12k\]: cross cut!!
Librarian [5k?\]: p12?
Torinouta [1d\]: lol, crosscut = fail.
akahi: m7 a joke perhaps
Mef [-\]: play on top is just a simple move, feels gote too....
akahi: r12 no use
Queselk [12k\]: really
jaimek [5k\]: r10
nightbug [8k?\]: S12 ladder, Queselk.  :)
mayonnaise [5k\]: cherry is here!
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: P12
cherrysaur [-\]: hiii 
dougghost [3k\]: what would kato do?
Queselk [12k\]: twas a joake
Queselk [12k\]: joke*
Queselk [12k\]: *was
Queselk [12k\]: yoda
Queselk [12k\]: am
akahi: move out with o11 maybe
Torinouta [1d\]: stop flooding yo.
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: stop flooding
Torinouta [1d\]: what is wrong with the plain move of O11??
freccia [20k\]: if w wants to create grp, why not double-hane at r10?
dougghost [3k\]: what would mumu do?
jantiff [-\]: it looks happy for w
akahi: I don't think anyone said anything bad about o11
Librarian [5k?\]: isnt o11 kinda submissive?
waykay [3k\]: really?  I'd rather be b
akahi: o11 is light
Ragnarok [1d\]: O_O
]
;W[ql]
;B[sn]
;W[oh]C[jaimek [5k\]: n5 group will have to live at some point
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I tols you, P12
akahi: kinda hard for w to attack b severely on right
waykay [3k\]: The game feels too busy
consume [5d\]: where is this being played
Mef [-\]: Seattle
jaimek [5k\]: seattle
Librarian [5k?\]: high five CCL
waykay [3k\]: Coffeeland
jantiff [-\]: leaning attack = good defense
CardCaptor [2k\]: um.. i think perhaps not o11 because white doesn't want black to reinforce n9 group
CardCaptor [2k\]: needs to keep that ish weak to attack it later
jaimek [5k\]: good call
Ragnarok [1d\]: Feng Yun's name is cool and he is 9 p too
mayonnaise [5k\]: she*
akahi: she
pasky [13k\]: akahi: the f2 tesuji is still nagging me - b e3 and what did white gain? it reduced blacks eyespace a bit but not too severely...? or was it enough?
Ragnarok [1d\]: she is
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: SHE
Ragnarok [1d\]: woops
sonoobie [9k\]: yeah Feng Yun is cool he has the same last name as me
]
;B[oi]
;W[pj]
;B[nh]C[Ragnarok [1d\]: soorry my bad
wolchengi [8d?\]: white is slightly better
GameFAQs [1d\]: Feng Yun is a woman.
Ragnarok [1d\]: yes i get it
Queselk [12k\]: helping center group
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: chinese rulz
Trevoke [13k\]: Would everyone not commenting on the game *PLEASE* be quiet?
Librarian [5k?\]: really looking forward to seeing cooled down pos now
consume [5d\]: i like black right now
akahi: pasky, f2 would have been gote and that'd be one reason w didn't do it
nightbug [8k?\]: Trevoke, tell CCL.  :)
sonoobie [9k\]: i actually like white
akahi: the other reason is f2 is usually used to settle a weak group on the side
akahi: l4 was better and available so w used that
pasky [13k\]: akahi: aha, in that case f2 would make a lot of sense
pasky [13k\]: thanks
akahi: that answer your question?
Queselk [12k\]: also helpingcan white make life with r12?
Cyclone001 [?\]: b would be happy to let w live if he managd to seal her in, right
Mef [-\]: w digs in now?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: P13
nightbug [8k?\]: Yes, black doesn't need to kill white.
jantiff [-\]: w won't give ponnuki i hope ?
CardCaptor [2k\]: r12 might hurt a littke
Queselk [12k\]: yea r17 open
consume [5d\]: p13... then i think just o10

XScorpioX [ 7k \]: o 13 seems perfect
malf [ 4k \]: nomad, thanks for commenting
nomad [ 7d \]: sure
nomad [ 7d \]: here W p13 seems like a automatic
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: i mean p13
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: yeah
nomad [ 7d \]: so, maybe there is still more tech glitche
nomad [ 7d \]: i was saying earlier, about W e2
yoyoma [ 3k?\]: nomad can you say sequence for wE2 move?  What if black block F2?
nomad [ 7d \]: B f2, then what?
]
;W[og]C[nightbug [8k?\]: no no .. ponnuki = 30 points.
Starstreak [4k\]:  R12 hurts alot
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: O11
consume [5d\]: no it doesnt
Queselk [12k\]: what does ponnuki mean?
nightbug [8k?\]: O11
consume [5d\]: it hurts for white
Torinouta [1d\]: turtle turtle = 60 points.
jantiff [-\]: yes
CardCaptor [2k\]: black gets superior influence
Mef [-\]: ponnuki is the diamond shape made when you capture a stone
sonoobie [9k\]: pinnoku is s4
Queselk [12k\]: oh
sonoobie [9k\]: the stones around s4
consume [5d\]: o10 i think
tasogare1 [3k\]: ponnuki.
tasogare1 [3k\]: >.>
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: ponnuki, not pinoccio

nomad [ 7d \]: there is a little nasty move by W to make B uncomfortable
]
;B[nj]C[Starstreak [4k\]: lol
nightbug [8k?\]: consume!  10 points.  :P
fathwad [2k?\]: score..thats what i was thinking
Torinouta [1d\]: looking hard for White already =/
consume [5d\]: blacks pretty much dominating now
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W is ok
jantiff [-\]: ok not so happy
CardCaptor [2k\]: that's a fiercome wall
Torinouta [1d\]: how can W be happy??
Mef [-\]: b gladly trades thickness for more thickness....
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W is happy because shes 9p
Queselk [12k\]: q14
Matorin [6k\]: lol
Matorin [6k\]: chin
waykay [3k\]: w can live, but the thickness b gets is too awesome
Torinouta [1d\]: chin fails =/.
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: and you all suck :-P
Trevoke [13k\]: Ok.. I'm censoring ChinChuLin and I suggest we all do the same :)
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: haha
freccia [20k\]: tht looks like an excellent outcome for B
Ragnarok [1d\]: why?
nightbug [8k?\]: Good idea, Trevoke.  :)
Ragnarok [1d\]: you can't handle comedy in go?
Librarian [5k?\]: any thoughts spent about w n8 and later netting o12?
Mef [-\]: W may be a better go player than I will ever be....but that does not make this board look any better...
Queselk [12k\]: blacks still searching for life thoug?
nightbug [8k?\]: CCL comedy?  Give me a break, Ragnarok.  :)
Torinouta [1d\]: lol
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: :-)
Ragnarok [1d\]: its still comedy
Trevoke [13k\]: Ragnarok : I can handle comedy just fine, but I have enough issues sorting out the useful comments that help me learn about go in this game from the drivel.. I'll laugh about go any day of the week though.
yoyoma [1k\]: wE2, bF2, wF4.  bE4, wF5, bE3, wG3 cut
jantiff [-\]: too stubborn from w ?
jantiff [-\]: it was too early ?

nomad [ 7d \]: do you see f4 by W?
nomad [ 7d \]: back to top right...
nomad [ 7d \]: W would like to play q13, etc...
nomad [ 7d \]: but has to read it deep
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: q13 is risky
nomad [ 7d \]: sure
]
;W[qh]
;B[pg]
;W[ri]
;B[of]C[nightbug [8k?\]: Trevoke, you can keep this game record and get a friend to review it.  :)
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: then censor the ppl, not focusing in the game, or clone it and you have no chat
Librarian [5k?\]: aw
wolchengi [8d?\]: now favors black
waykay [3k\]: its not caught up yet
Torinouta [1d\]: probably one-way street, but definitely good for B.
Queselk [12k\]: now there is thickness
Veivi [3d\]: w still playable i think
Librarian [5k?\]: didnt think she'd play this way :<
consume [5d\]: ok
consume [5d\]: this is
consume [5d\]: so painful
consume [5d\]: ahahah
nightbug [8k?\]: Or I'm sure a pro commented version might be available within 3 months.  Maybe even one from FengYun herself.
TheOne [-\]: w isnt that bad
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: nightbug, pls stop complaining and focus on the game, thx
jantiff [-\]: success for b
TheOne [-\]: g17
Librarian [5k?\]: k16 or something?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W must have other idea in mind
Cyclone001 [?\]: the ladder allows w a free extention to k16 region?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I expected W to get out first
consume [5d\]: nah feng yun just got dominated
thb: save for later
wolchengi [8d?\]: this game is almost over
consume [5d\]: both playing really fast
consume [5d\]: haha
Librarian [5k?\]: jie ftw
nightbug [8k?\]: It's about 30 mins on each clock, not that fast, consume.
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: consume, this game is relayed, not actual speed here
baltimore [3k\]: its real speed now
pasky [13k\]: according to the SE black should resign!!

XScorpioX [ 7k \]: black happy with outside
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: this was awful for W no?
nomad [ 7d \]: yes, seems so
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: what's the sequency of the e2 tesuji?
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: sequence..
nomad [ 7d \]: W e2, B f2, then W?
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: f4?
nomad [ 7d \]: yes :-)
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;W[nb]C[Ragnarok [1d\]: LOL
nightbug [8k?\]: OO
waykay [3k\]: woah!
sonoobie [9k\]: SE LIES
TheOne [-\]: lol
Torinouta [1d\]: O18, wtf?!
waykay [3k\]: cool!
Starstreak [4k\]: .....
cherrysaur [-\]: lol
nightbug [8k?\]: Wow .. :)
Kamenoitte [-\]: <- blinks rapidly
Trevoke [13k\]: ... Misclick ... ?
Ubiquity [-\]: holy crap
jantiff [-\]: haha looks genious
nightbug [8k?\]: O13
Mef [-\]: w wants into the corner
thb: q18 threat
nightbug [8k?\]: Capture.
consume [5d\]: i guess this is pretty cool
consume [5d\]: ..
Nyanjilla [-\]: mind the lanugage, please
Starstreak [4k\]: is that  a misclick/
tasogare1 [3k\]: WIN. :p
TheOne [-\]: haha
Librarian [5k?\]: <random spam outcry>
HKA [2d\]: second line rules
zchen [7d\]: w will win
mayonnaise [5k\]: its pro tesuji
CardCaptor [2k\]: um
consume [5d\]: of course michael
TheOne [-\]: zchen will win
CardCaptor [2k\]: nothing wrong with 02 here
Starstreak [4k\]: consume can you enlighten me? what is P18?
consume [5d\]: shes your teacher
consume [5d\]: all hail

nomad [ 7d \]: worth remembering
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: oh I see
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: o18?
]
;B[rh]
;W[qj]
;B[rg]C[ychen666 [3d?\]: i don't like the sound of the stone being played.
sonoobie [9k\]: wow
consume [5d\]: ok
consume [5d\]: thats painful
mayonnaise [5k\]: o___O
Ubiquity [-\]: wow, O18 is for real
sonoobie [9k\]: those were some fast moves
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I told you shes 9p, its not going to lose that easily
Trevoke [13k\]: Hah, that's right, there's a tesuji
thb: tesuji?
nightbug [8k?\]: NAMT, confirm O18 instead of O17 early before you have to undo a whole lot.
sonoobie [9k\]: tesuji is bset clever move for that time or something
CardCaptor [2k\]: though i thought it was usually p18?
TheOne [-\]: O18 is not go
Ragnarok [1d\]: O 18=noob/pro move
invention [14k\]: lol o18 
fathwad [2k?\]: connect 4?
Torinouta [1d\]: settle O18 with R17??
sonoobie [9k\]: white has sente out of it
yithril [1k\]: wait
consume [5d\]: eric its countering a gainst THEMOVE.
yithril [1k\]: i come back
thb: w has to make eyes
yithril [1k\]: and the first think i see
mayonnaise [5k\]: ROFL 
yithril [1k\]: is o 18
mayonnaise [5k\]: THEMOVE. 
yithril [1k\]: staring at me
invention [14k\]: hahaha
sonoobie [9k\]: THE MOVE 
borrrden [6k?\]: i think they will give this one a name :)
borrrden [6k?\]: and write about it in textbooks
consume [5d\]: nah
consume [5d\]: its an inside joke haha
Starstreak [4k\]: i have got to play O18
CardCaptor [2k\]: er...
waykay [3k\]: t8 now
CardCaptor [2k\]: it won't always apply like this
R3dDragon [2d\]: its a great THEMOVE counter too
Ragnarok [1d\]: white needs S 9 or she dies
sonoobie [9k\]: star you dont even know what whites plans are T.TTTTTTTTTTT
consume [5d\]: thats what i said cscott
consume [5d\]: -_-;

nomad [ 7d \]: sagari
kibarosman [ 7k \]: what is sagari?
nomad [ 7d \]: t8 is sagari :-)
Tyro82 [ 6k+\]: I think is extending towards the first line.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: but why now?
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: w has to s9
nomad [ 7d \]: t8 better than s9
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: or t8?
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: yep
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: more territory
]
;W[sl]C[shygost [-\]: usual move is P18.... I don't see why the change
Ragnarok [1d\]: or that
jantiff [-\]: what a painful move
Torinouta [1d\]: 10% chance to win for W?
davou [6k\]: woot, a tournament
jantiff [-\]: O18 = probe
Librarian [5k?\]: how about N17 actually?
Mef [-\]: Shy - Perhaps it would be too easy to shove w into the corner after p18?
pasky [13k\]: can o18 escape n17?
nightbug [8k?\]: O18 looks like a clicko for O17.  :P
CardCaptor [2k\]: maybe she moved it back one to serve as a possible ladder breaker later
jantiff [-\]: R17 open
jantiff [-\]: and K17 too
horacelamb [1k\]: r18 might be too slow though
nightbug [8k?\]: M17.  :D
Librarian [5k?\]: pasky yeah it can, but question is how well actually
CardCaptor [2k\]: not 17
ArsMagica [5k\]: hum, jie li's winning?
CardCaptor [2k\]: maybe n17
ychen666 [3d?\]: b C14 next move.
nightbug [8k?\]: Best of 3 games, so loss is not game over.
pasky [13k\]: cardcaptor: hmm, could such a ladder form around d7? I can't see how
Trevoke [13k\]: Why C14 and not f17 ?
zchen [7d\]: i dont think b is winning
CardCaptor [2k\]: d7?
CardCaptor [2k\]: oh
gepay [2k\]: still a lot of agame t play
CardCaptor [2k\]: i was thinking the p13 ladder
CardCaptor [2k\]: wait
shai [1d\]: Please stop chatting and let zchen talk
CardCaptor [2k\]: thats not even a ladder
CardCaptor [2k\]: is it
ychen666 [3d?\]: because C14 is more urgent.
freccia [20k\]: W seems hung up on giving life to R9
CardCaptor [2k\]: gha, im tired
CardCaptor [2k\]: dizzy
Torinouta [1d\]: so, zchen, even??
CardCaptor [2k\]: also, something like k17
Trevoke [13k\]: Because C14 helps prevent the formation of W's framework on the left side?
CardCaptor [2k\]: would be good
ArsMagica [5k\]: o13 would be a pro move
CardCaptor [2k\]: cus it helps eutralize that wall
pasky [13k\]: cardcaptor: for ladder around p13, isn't it, er, at the wrong side of the board?
shai [1d\]: shhhh
shai [1d\]: zchen -- pls analyze briefly?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: B L16?
CardCaptor [2k\]: hm?
wolchengi [8d?\]: p 18 would be very bad
stormrage [9k\]: black is very territorial lol
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I like B around L16 now
jantiff [-\]: D8 thick
wolchengi [8d?\]: if p18,. black will end too thick
waykay [3k\]: veggie thinks black leads 5-7 including komi
jantiff [-\]: so C14 not appealing, sorry
zchen [7d\]: depends on top, w is pretty thick all over the place too
davou [6k\]: ars o13 not so bad if you move down the ladder to k17 to make a ladder break and extend the moyo?
ychen666 [3d?\]: because w left side needs just 1 move to defend, but upper side needs maybe 3 moves to complete.
shai [1d\]: pwaldron -- a brief thought?
Torinouta [1d\]: wolchengi approves O18?
davou [6k\]: once white lives :P
wolchengi [8d?\]: it's strange
CardCaptor [2k\]: how about n16?
wolchengi [8d?\]: but p 18 is a basic no no
Solid30k [5k\]: unless someone is high dan i dont wanna listen this kind of high level game commentary.. so pls let those guys comment on game PLS
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: N16 leaves room for W to live
horacelamb [1k\]: why's O18 better than P18?
pwaldron [4d\]: I would take black here, but it looks like a slim lead
horacelamb [1k\]: oh okay

kibarosman [ 7k \]: does O18 have any influence on the future of P12 group?
nomad [ 7d \]: not yet
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: t18 prob for miai with r 17 or m17
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: but then again i now little
nomad [ 7d \]: yes, r17 or k17
pear [ 2d+\]: nomad, could you do a positional judgement for us now? How much is B's thickness worth?
nomad [ 7d \]: let me take a look...
nomad [ 7d \]: W lower side plus right side about the same as B lower right corner...
nomad [ 7d \]: lower left corner about even
nomad [ 7d \]: B top right seems to cover W top left, plus komi and more
nomad [ 7d \]: so, it seems to me B is about 5-7 pts ahead, komi included
pear [ 2d+\]: so B's center-facing influence is pure bonus?
fidel [ 1k?\]: so you would take black...
nomad [ 7d \]: no, i counted it
nomad [ 7d \]: B has a lead, but a tenuous one...
nomad [ 7d \]: has to work hard to maintain it
pear [ 2d+\]: thank you nomad1
pear [ 2d+\]: !*
nomad [ 7d \]: the board is still open, so many things can still happen
]
;B[kc]C[Mef [-\]: Solid - then cenor them
TheOne [-\]: nice
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I guess B has to push W down at the top
waykay [3k\]: hehe what a cool pinch
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: see???
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: :-)
jantiff [-\]: pincer looks good
davou [6k\]: aww, I was one to the right
wolchengi [8d?\]: if p 18 n 18
waykay [3k\]: but now we will see sabaki bagic
waykay [3k\]: magic
CardCaptor [2k\]: oh far pincer... huumm
Starstreak [4k\]: R17?
horacelamb [1k\]: is O18 a well known move?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: yes
stormrage [9k\]: why?
Torinouta [1d\]: lol, o rly?!
CardCaptor [2k\]: ive seen it once...
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: its a pro approach
Starstreak [4k\]: really? ive seen
stormrage [9k\]: how come?

nomad [ 7d \]: this move shows that B is well aware that he has to play hard
nomad [ 7d \]: the peaceful play of Q18 is probably too slow
]
;W[qc]C[Starstreak [4k\]: Q18 and even P18
bootman: i usually see p18
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: now O16
sonoobie [9k\]: a pro approach wow
CardCaptor [2k\]: usally p18
CardCaptor [2k\]: yeah
wolchengi [8d?\]: in pro games
jantiff [-\]: any move is a "pro move" in some game...
wolchengi [8d?\]: it's so rare for p 13 shape
wolchengi [8d?\]: turtle/tortoise shell
]
;B[pc]C[rbarnuska [ 2d \]: w seems to have been forced very low
]
;W[pb]C[jantiff [-\]: miai directions for w
]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]
;B[ob]
;W[qa]
;B[oa]C[stormrage [9k\]: wow
jantiff [-\]: light and not too close to thickness
stormrage [9k\]: nice
ychen666 [3d?\]: O18, L17,... look like an midgame joseki.
sonoobie [9k\]: turtleshell = superomega strong?
Torinouta [1d\]: 60 points of course.
sonoobie [9k\]: so pros avoid it?
jantiff [-\]: quasi alive in sente
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: * a midgame
CardCaptor [2k\]: p16
CardCaptor [2k\]: der
wolchengi [8d?\]: ^^ everyone should avoid it
CardCaptor [2k\]: o16
jantiff [-\]: but L17 too close actually ?
CardCaptor [2k\]: then something like l15?
]
;W[jc]C[jantiff [-\]: yes
sonoobie [9k\]: attatch?
Torinouta [1d\]: looks good.
Starstreak [4k\]: interesting play
stormrage [9k\]: offensive now
stormrage [9k\]: for b
Cyclone001 [?\]: a contact play here?
jantiff [-\]: w going to try to overconcentrate him

XScorpioX [ 7k \]: p17...
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: does nothing
]
;B[jd]C[jantiff [-\]: yes
jackmani [1d?\]: yes
nightbug [8k?\]: And Black is not giving in either.
stormrage [9k\]: lol why k17, too headon?
]
;W[kd]C[CardCaptor [2k\]: no reason to give in =P
jantiff [-\]: :)
nightbug [8k?\]: :)
CardCaptor [2k\]: its not like black's life is threatened
Starstreak [4k\]: hmmm
CardCaptor [2k\]: haha
tromp [-\]: ladder breaker in the making?
jantiff [-\]: the ladder still there
nightbug [8k?\]: Now black will have shadow of O13 over him.
Torinouta [1d\]: crosscut extravaganza
jantiff [-\]: it's a beauty...
nightbug [8k?\]: M17
Solid30k [5k\]: wolchengi how was simply b l16 ?
Librarian [5k?\]: w o17 some aji to reckon for this?
jackmani [1d?\]: now still seems just heavy to pull out the two w stones
horacelamb [1k\]: I think L16 was too slow
pasky [13k\]: I have a feeling that M17 is too defensive here
wolchengi [8d?\]: after the attachment?
waykay [3k\]: ladder break too
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: L16 gives W highe side
Solid30k [5k\]: yes
wolchengi [8d?\]: no good
wolchengi [8d?\]: slack
wolchengi [8d?\]: attach- hane
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W forced B to cross-cut, I guess
wolchengi [8d?\]: is basic recipe ^^
dougghost [3k\]: oh my sleeping god keep giving me call
jantiff [-\]: saving the ladder looks severe
jantiff [-\]: if w manages
stormrage [9k\]: yeah
wolchengi [8d?\]: i think white has underestimated black
ychen666 [3d?\]: what about the P17 cut?
davou [6k\]: was the initial time 60mins?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: no
wossname [1k\]: what are the real consequences if the ladder is broken?
horacelamb [1k\]: that's an interesting question
nightbug [8k?\]: M17, w L15, b O13 capture, 
sonoobie [9k\]: there are no big consequences
CardCaptor [2k\]: center weakens
horacelamb [1k\]: he has strength on both sides
Cyclone001 [?\]: starting time is 60 min - then canadian time 25 stones / 10 min
jantiff [-\]: split groups with heavy shape ? :)
Solid30k [5k\]: so White is first female 9p and b is amateur 9d ?
wolchengi [8d?\]: at this poin... white has very little
borrrden [6k?\]: white is 2nd female 9p
wossname [1k\]: might the saved ladder not also be heavy?
nightbug [8k?\]: No, white is 2nd.
yithril [1k\]: rui naiwei owns her soul
nightbug [8k?\]: Rui was 1st.
mrkibbles [-\]: Rui strongest female eve isnt she?

rbarnuska [ 2d \]: q19 is hard for black - big ko
fidel [ 1k?\]: 84 and 86.  difficult to imagine in a pro vs. pro game.
pear [ 2d+\]: but lee sedol is a pro haha
nomad [ 7d \]: very difficult local situation
Tyro82 [ 6k+\]: Is white trying to make things cmoplicated for black?
Tyro82 [ 6k+\]: or something?
nomad [ 7d \]: no, both are fast players, clock should not be an issue
codger [ BC \]: getting a break on the ladder would help
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;B[nc]C[Mef [-\]: on record at least
CardCaptor [2k\]: O_O
CardCaptor [2k\]: interesting
waykay [3k\]: sente against corner
horacelamb [1k\]: I guess the aji was piling up
nightbug [8k?\]: But her record is tainted by games she lost to her hubby.  I think she lost on purpose.  :P
CardCaptor [2k\]: hahaha
Ragnarok [1d\]: lol
horacelamb [1k\]: who's her husband?
Solid30k [5k\]: who is he?
nightbug [8k?\]: jujo
nightbug [8k?\]: 9p also;
CardCaptor [2k\]: she should have been like, LOSE or ur sleeping on the couch!
ychen666 [3d?\]: next B S16 would kill corner.
jantiff [-\]: thick !
horacelamb [1k\]: ah, right
stormrage [9k\]: why cant we see the user pf???
baltimore [3k\]: there isnt one.
DrOlczyk [6k\]: didn't Rui Naiwei just beat Feng Yun? 
nightbug [8k?\]: stormrage, because it's relayed.
stormrage [9k\]: ok thanks
jantiff [-\]: w J17 now ?
ychen666 [3d?\]: yes Rui just beat Feng in China.
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: that was long time ago
CardCaptor [2k\]: does Feng represent the US? 
CardCaptor [2k\]: when she competes i mean
weekend [3d\]: one month ago.
jantiff [-\]: or live like a chicken ? S15 ?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I must missed that
Torinouta [1d\]: I think Rui is on a whole new level over Feng Yun...
jantiff [-\]: sure
waykay [3k\]: umm.. .0.125 stones yeah
ychen666 [3d?\]: b very thick.
stormrage [9k\]: VERY NICE GAME
Mef [-\]: Isn't Rui one of the top 10 in the world right now?
horacelamb [1k\]: Jie Li beat her husband :-)
stormrage [9k\]: wish i could watch CHO U's game
stormrage [9k\]: on kgs
Torinouta [1d\]: probably, i'd bet at least top 20
CardCaptor [2k\]: is it going on right now?
Mef [-\]: check oro
pasky [13k\]: wouldn't l15 be interesting for white now? if black k15, expand also to j17... this might give black too strong lookout to the center, though
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: go to Japan
CardCaptor [2k\]: kk
wossname [1k\]: one game is as good as another
akahi: cho u is crying bout now
baltimore [3k\]: go on igs.  they always have games
nightbug [8k?\]: Rui vs Feng is 4-1
mrkibbles [-\]: if he were ot play on here, it wouldnt be enjoyable with all the kibitzing
pwaldron [4d\]: thick move from black...puts the pressure on white to decide how to continue
CardCaptor [2k\]: i don't see it
Mef [-\]: the timing of o17 is curious
tromp [-\]: s15 ?
nightbug [8k?\]: O17 is nice.
nightbug [8k?\]: sente.
waykay [3k\]: no o17 is perfect :)
davou [6k\]: mef:why come?
akahi: not curious
Torinouta [1d\]: isnt it "how" come? ^^
davou [6k\]: how cares torinouta?! :P
Mef [-\]: I never said bad (=   It just seems that it would be taken care of in a couple moves, 
baltimore [3k\]: how come seems like strange grammar, too tho
Torinouta [1d\]: hehe
Trevoke [13k\]: O17 changes a few variations from third-line ataris
akahi: it has an impact on the cross cut as well
Librarian [5k?\]: hmm how about h17 or maybe breaking the law and going j16?
Trevoke [13k\]: Among other things that I don't know about :)
Mef [-\]: indeed, but the crosscut seems pressing
Solid30k [5k\]: wolchengi what would be your move if you were W now ?
bootman: it's no wonder pros are so good, with the amount of time they spend thinking
Cyclone001 [?\]: w needs a move to defend the top right or not?
SunnyD [2d\]: F18 now
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: this game is relayed, bootman
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: not actual speed

nomad [ 7d \]: very prudent move by B :-)
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: yeah stops p17
nomad [ 7d \]: also creates s16 aji
pear [ 2d+\]: could B j16 have been considered?
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: hmmm yeah
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: o17 very nice move
nomad [ 7d \]: sure, but this is the easiest -- let W figure out what to do next..
pear [ 2d+\]: i see
nomad [ 7d \]: and B can capture corner with s1 anytime
nomad [ 7d \]: s16
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: well white has to save corner rite?
nomad [ 7d \]: no, W cannot save corner now
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: why not?
nomad [ 7d \]: B L15 would be too severe
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: hmmm
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: i think white having done p17 before k 17 and l16 would have been nice
nomad [ 7d \]: ?
nomad [ 7d \]: W p17?
nomad [ 7d \]: then B o17, W gift
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: still then black would not be able to play q19
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: with out taking p17 first
nomad [ 7d \]: that's a big loss
nomad [ 7d \]: Go is more than just living everywhere
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;W[id]
;B[je]
;W[ic]C[bootman: oh i see
wossname [1k\]: j16
akaishic [24k\]: is there no time limit in pro games?
Librarian [5k?\]: cool
baltimore [3k\]: chin, the game is live
wossname [1k\]: i've been eyeing that for the last fifteen minutes, i wish i'd spoke :(
Mef [-\]: the time settings are 1 hour main with 10:00/25
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: live and relayed, by hand
nightbug [8k?\]: Now B14?
nightbug [8k?\]: If w O18, b must B14.  :D
nightbug [8k?\]: Shows attitude.  :P
SunnyD [2d\]: F18 better direction
baltimore [3k\]: and jon is sitting right next to them clicking as they play...
nightbug [8k?\]: Oh.
filiformis [1k?\]: igs comment says o17 allows b to kill corner with s16
nightbug [8k?\]: Thanks for correction, SunnyD.  :)
Cyclone001 [?\]: if b q19 then ko?
horacelamb [1k\]: I think S16 would be a better move
tromp [-\]: s16 kills?
Solid30k [5k\]: s16 kilss yes
horacelamb [1k\]: but C14 also looks very big
Solid30k [5k\]: but gote ?
Cyclone001 [?\]: s16 ->q19
Mef [-\]: s17
Solid30k [5k\]: b s17 w dead
Cyclone001 [?\]: right right - I'm an idiot - nvm me
nightbug [8k?\]: Even now, b Q18 can ko at least?
borrrden [6k?\]: it's miai
Cyclone001 [?\]: thank
Cyclone001 [?\]: *thanks
wossname [1k\]: whoever moves first wins
CardCaptor [2k\]: black wouldnt kill the corner now would he
pasky [13k\]: q18 is already white, unfortunately :)
nightbug [8k?\]: But too early to trigger and corner too small.
GreatWolf [-\]: whats this demo?
nightbug [8k?\]: Q19
baltimore [3k\]: NAMT game
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: read above

AiA [ 2d \]: M17 and S16 which one is bigger?
nomad [ 7d \]: L18 or L15 only
pear [ 2d+\]: but now B's central influence seems a bit less imposing?
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;B[kb]C[CardCaptor [2k\]: hum
Librarian [5k?\]: darn interesting
gepay [2k\]: gote not even 20 points
akaishic [24k\]: so for us new people this is an actual live tournament that is being relayed onto kgs?
Shodannaru [?\]: I agree with L!8
Torinouta [1d\]: can W press down and gain enough profit?
Librarian [5k?\]: C16?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: yes, akaishik
Tsche1 [2d\]: j15 impüortant
akaishic [24k\]: ok thanks
Trevoke [13k\]: North American Masters Tournament first game of final.
Solid30k [5k\]: w M14... for sure
tre [5k\]: wait feng yun is a female right?
Cyclone001 [?\]: there is more than one game in namt?
borrrden [6k?\]: yes
Tsche1 [2d\]: j15 bigst now
nightbug [8k?\]: tre, yes.
Shodannaru [?\]: Feng Yun 9P?
tre [5k\]: just making sure ~_~ ;D
wossname [1k\]: k14 is clearly the best move
CardCaptor [2k\]: j15?
BliSof [2d\]: this 9p is weak
CardCaptor [2k\]: thats pushing from behind
BliSof [2d\]: not too strong a player
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: look under her skirt if you dont believe us

rbarnuska [ 2d \]: j15?
nomad [ 7d \]: L18 gets more pts, but leaves J14 for W...
kibarosman [ 7k \]: will they just push against each other on the J-K lines now?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: or does one need to invade more directly?
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;W[ie]C[CardCaptor [2k\]: omg
CardCaptor [2k\]: im confused
Tsche1 [2d\]: good
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: thats normal for a 2 k :-)
CardCaptor [2k\]: >=(
Solid30k [5k\]: lol
CardCaptor [2k\]: that hurts
Torinouta [1d\]: only move.
BliSof [2d\]: 7ks don't even know that they should be confused ;)
wossname [1k\]: 4 space wide gap, 3 stone high wall
akaishic [24k\]: i'm the confused one lol

kibarosman [ 7k \]: seems like if they just extend along J-K, w is better off, no?
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;B[jf]
;W[if]
;B[jg]C[BliSof [2d\]: and dans, well, dans realize how stupid they really are, and it's sad :(
nightbug [8k?\]: who is 7k?
Tsche1 [2d\]: now corner
Torinouta [1d\]: B18!
CardCaptor [2k\]: they have [7\] next to their name
wossname [1k\]: b15?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: me nightbug, stop censoring ppl if you want to know whats going on
nightbug [8k?\]: I'm only 8.  :D
Tsche1 [2d\]: s15
Librarian [5k?\]: c15?
ychen666 [3d?\]: C16 now?
Tsche1 [2d\]: s15
pe01 [7k\]: C15
Starstreak [4k\]: S15 seems pretty big
Solid30k [5k\]: c16
gepay [2k\]: how is b going to reduce w quarter of board
tre [5k\]: which one is better c 15 or c 16 lolz 
Torinouta [1d\]: i like C16 better.
nightbug [8k?\]: 3-3 works, but how much of a reduction is that?
dougghost [3k\]: this w duck lay golden eggs
Librarian [5k?\]: mr norris approves of c15
nightbug [8k?\]: C14 is enough ?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: B has G9 and other sides to reduce
pe01 [7k\]: Ms Yun is greedy?
Solid30k [5k\]: torinouta c16 yep
Starstreak [4k\]: C15? is that playable?
Solid30k [5k\]: ^^
Mef [-\]: if w takes the time to secure corner, B gets to turn on the outside
BliSof [2d\]: vice versa
NAMT2006 [?\]: Game 2 will be broadcast tomorrow at 9:00 AM PST
NAMT2006 [?\]: We hope you can join us
BliSof [2d\]: life is random and unfair / life is pandemonium!
Mef [-\]: and let's not forget about  killing the other corner
Torinouta [1d\]: I am so going Mr. NAMT2006 >:)
nightbug [8k?\]: NAMT, we will definitely do so.  :)
tre [5k\]: wait if jie li put at d15 can will feng yun play at 3x3???
CardCaptor [2k\]: how about c13
nightbug [8k?\]: What kind of play is D15?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: well, ok, never mind
kibarosman [ 7k \]: both are happy extending...
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: c16?
nomad [ 7d \]: only one of them can be right :-)
malifaun [ 8k?\]: :)
nomad [ 7d \]: C16 and S16 seem like miai
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: Game 2 will be broadcast tomorrow at 9:00 AM PST
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: or e2?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: which one is more urgent for w, G8 or H12?
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: Please join us !
kibarosman [ 7k \]: or something along those lines...
fidel [ 1k?\]: since the left side is more open, isn't C16 bigger?
pear [ 2d+\]: can B really win this way? (i still don't like O17; blush)
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;W[cd]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: NAMT2006, how looks FEnYung face now? thinking serious smiling?
Solid30k [5k\]: ahahaha
CardCaptor [2k\]: oh
Torinouta [1d\]: yay =)
CardCaptor [2k\]: fine
nightbug [8k?\]: Too late.  :P
akahi: is it over?
Solid30k [5k\]: yes! c16
Starstreak [4k\]: ooo
wossname [1k\]: oh no, the standard move
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: great
CardCaptor [2k\]: lol
ychen666 [3d?\]: I was right. :)
CardCaptor [2k\]: who plays standard?!?!
davou [6k\]: aww
nightbug [8k?\]: ychen666, 10 points.
davou [6k\]: d13 has so much more balls
borrrden [6k?\]: people who think it's the correct move ;)
Torinouta [1d\]: J13??
CardCaptor [2k\]: <-- sarcastic
drunkard [3k?\]: D13?  you crazy
CardCaptor [2k\]: oh
CardCaptor [2k\]: d13 bad?
akahi: not really, davou
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: playing bad moves means balls?
ychen666 [3d?\]: C15 8 points. :)
CardCaptor [2k\]: so u gotta deal with an invasion...
tre [5k\]: h12???
wolchengi [8d?\]: oohp
Trevoke [13k\]: W can't afford an invasion right now, I think
wolchengi [8d?\]: i just went away for lunch... what happened?!
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: C16 is so big, forces B to attack, and thats dangerous
Solid30k [5k\]: d12 b
invention [14k\]: wtf c16
akahi: c16 says...invade me, please
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: right
wossname [1k\]: invasions are a source of joy
ychen666 [3d?\]: now where to go for b?
CardCaptor [2k\]: anything would say invade
akaishic [24k\]: it looks like black is winning, am I wrong?
drunkard [3k?\]: C16 has spirit
baltimore [3k\]: h12
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: no akaischic
Mef [-\]: c16 says "Well I have to make points sometime...
CardCaptor [2k\]: if white passed black would invade lol
akahi: b has to do something, of course. a reduction won't be enough
drunkard [3k?\]: upper right is a ko if black first?
zchen [7d\]: s16 男人不能耸
tre [5k\]: 呵呵
tromp [-\]: j13
CardCaptor [2k\]: what do u mean mef?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W is winner if keeps the left intact
CardCaptor [2k\]: so i know why never to play that again
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: and top corner
CardCaptor [2k\]: =)
akahi: bad attitude, mef
pe01 [7k\]: b must resign, now
Starstreak [4k\]: drunkard: if B S16 first W dead, no ko
wolchengi [8d?\]: black must be very annoyed
CardCaptor [2k\]: nono, i really do want to know why not c16
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: how is players face now , NAMT2006?
CardCaptor [2k\]: cus this happens to me all the time
wolchengi [8d?\]: killing that group is now a very very big drudgery
wossname [1k\]: f11 is just deep enough to avoid serious attack
Torinouta [1d\]: J13 = slow or solid?
Solid30k [5k\]: how can u high dans invade this MOYO ?
akaishic [24k\]: ok wasn't counting the left corner yet, still learning, thanks
pe01 [7k\]: w is daydreaming, b is crying
CardCaptor [2k\]: um...
CardCaptor [2k\]: reduce
akahi: card captor, no reason not to c16. if c15 b has more aji
Solid30k [5k\]: Torinouta why not H12 ?
shai [1d\]: Is H 12 not enough?
waykay [3k\]: s16 already..
CardCaptor [2k\]: ohh
CardCaptor [2k\]: thanks akahi
Torinouta [1d\]: i am thinking H12 too, but wondering of other's opinion on J13

fidel [ 1k?\]: white thinks so...
kibarosman [ 7k \]: ok, let's see if b attacks from his K14 group or his G5 group
vulnerable [ 1d+\]: black s16 can make ko
nomad [ 7d \]: sorry, folks, i am getting sleepy..
AiA [ 2d \]: neither
vulnerable [ 1d+\]: black s16 can make ko
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: s16 kills no?
malf [ 4k \]: :), thanks for commenting, nomad
nomad [ 7d \]: enjoy the game, good night
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: gn
malf [ 4k \]: nite
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: thanks!
pear [ 2d+\]: yes, thank you very much
fidel [ 1k?\]: thank you for your comments nomad.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: thx nomad
kibarosman [ 7k \]: b s16 ko or kill?
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: I think kill
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: if w q19, then bs17
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: or the other way
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: in either case w dead
kibarosman [ 7k \]: but i guess invading w's left side is more urgent for b
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;B[ej]C[CardCaptor [2k\]: appreciate the comment
Torinouta [1d\]: ho ho, merry christmas to E10.
CardCaptor [2k\]: =)
wossname [1k\]: i was one square off :l
pe01 [7k\]: essa jogada E10!
pe01 [7k\]: hehe
Starstreak [4k\]: interesting move
akahi: fairly deep
nightbug [8k?\]: Black don't need much to win
Torinouta [1d\]: overplay??
CardCaptor [2k\]: no way
Solid30k [5k\]: F9 lets fight ?
CardCaptor [2k\]: thats hard to block yo
Trevoke [13k\]: Looks like a good reduction with .. Well, two possible follow-ups, so W in trouble?
akahi: pretty standard place to start reducing
idigo [1d\]: b has two objects to connect to
waykay [3k\]: Yeah iits on the door line
Torinouta [1d\]: looks hard to counter though at the same time
CardCaptor [2k\]: that thing poking out at k13
Starstreak [4k\]: i like F8 stops both connections
idigo [1d\]: easy to reduce, I think, just want to reduce as much as possible
ychen666 [3d?\]: why e10 instead of e11? someone please answer.
davou [6k\]: torinouta Maybe the forcing moves aroyund d7 are enough to make it a fair invasion?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: C12 or D 12 now
Starstreak [4k\]: E10 connects easier?
Librarian [5k?\]: E12?
wossname [1k\]: why e10 instead of f11? :f
CardCaptor [2k\]: i don't know why not e11
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: E is too high
Torinouta [1d\]: i suppose, but it just looks awkward =/
zchen [7d\]: e 10 pressure w lower left 
CardCaptor [2k\]: maybe he hopes to get some eyeshape there as well
Trevoke [13k\]: E 11 is smack in the middle of W territory.. I think it can be surrounded and swallowed up, no?
BliSof [2d\]: no.
BliSof [2d\]: yes.
Mef [-\]: it has 2 ways out
Torinouta [1d\]: no, not really....E10 is hard to counter.
Shodannaru [?\]: and E10 isn't
akahi: e10 is one step from connection to g7 group. makes it a good spot
BliSof [2d\]: it's hard to counter this move
yithril [1k\]: dont forget d7
nightbug [8k?\]: E12 maybe too deep, E11 looks possible.
BliSof [2d\]: F9
yithril [1k\]: this is cool move
akahi: e12 and e11 also poss
Solid30k [5k\]: Zchen? what kind of pressure is it ? whats b's next move ?
dougghost [3k\]: i would cut first talk later
CardCaptor [2k\]: hard to cut this too
akahi: but nevertheless harder than e10
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: F8 first then D12
CardCaptor [2k\]: if u cut this and fail
CardCaptor [2k\]: hurts
zc3k [3k\]: oh yeah!
Trevoke [13k\]: But if W cut, it looks like B will take a whole lot of territory. Cutting looks too dangerous here.. Have to do damage control?
Tearsmay [4d\]: hello
CardCaptor [2k\]: hi!
nightbug [8k?\]: Hi May.  :)
CardCaptor [2k\]: damage control = bad haha
Tearsmay [4d\]: i just got here and Nam's info doesnt say who is who
pe01 [7k\]: was sind die Regeln?

rbarnuska [ 2d \]: yup :)
dreampharm [ 3d+\]: E12 ?
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: f9?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: wow, this is a pretty gutsy invasion
fidel [ 1k?\]: i picked E12.  apparently too dangerous.
AiA [ 2d \]: which one is Fengyun?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: w
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: b needs to be mindful of e2
Zepp [ 4k?\]: w is not dead in the upper right corner
xgl [ 8k?\]: E12
jackfish [ 6k+\]: this uses C6 better
Skr [13k+\]: Q19 saves the corner?
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;W[re]C[Solid30k [5k\]: F9 is my move Means Lets Fight!
Starstreak [4k\]: ah
CardCaptor [2k\]: those are their names
borrrden [6k?\]: there we go haha
]
;B[cj]C[CardCaptor [2k\]: fengyun
Starstreak [4k\]: wow tenuki
ychen666 [3d?\]: answer: because w J13, b K12, ... are forcing moves. E11 would be less likely to connect with home.
CardCaptor [2k\]: c12 i spose?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: i like b's chances better now
]
;W[di]C[Torinouta [1d\]: into the deathstar the X-wing goes.
CardCaptor [2k\]: oh
CardCaptor [2k\]: d12
pasky [13k\]: so even the pros peep!
CardCaptor [2k\]: der d11
hikaru012: hi
]
;B[dj]C[CardCaptor [2k\]: hum..
]
;W[bp]C[yithril [1k\]: of course the pros peep
ychen666 [3d?\]: G9!
CardCaptor [2k\]: naww
nightbug [8k?\]: B12.
CardCaptor [2k\]: f12

kibarosman [ 7k \]: maybe i spoke too soon :)
]
;B[cg]C[nightbug [8k?\]: Same idea, but he's braver.  :P
Trevoke [13k\]: Jie Li has balls the size of elephants
drunkard [3k?\]: teaching game is bad -- I can't back up without cloning first.
CardCaptor [2k\]: elephants?!
spaceballs [4k\]: he's got space balls
smeghead [3k\]: not "braver" -> i don't think he's risking :)
jtszhang [2k\]: who is w or b
Mef [-\]: w is feng yun
akahi: 2 space extension in this situation fairly standard, nightbug
Mef [-\]: B is Jie Li
idigo [1d\]: names right on the right, above the chat window
jtszhang [2k\]: thx
nightbug [8k?\]: jtszhang, it's posted .. look at the names on white and black.
shai [1d\]: He's no braver than you chatterboxes -- just better
Solid30k [5k\]: their name are written on file
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;W[eg]C[Mef [-\]: whatever he is, there's certainly more of it d=
nightbug [8k?\]: C11
Starstreak [4k\]: C11
smeghead [3k\]: wow, 1st comment all game and i get sledged. Thanks shai!
Mef [-\]: b9?
Ragnarok [1d\]: C22
drunkard [3k?\]: has any amateur had such a good record against pros?
Krazie243 [10k\]: c22?
nightbug [8k?\]: drunkard, nope.  :)
Torinouta [1d\]: C22 = tesuji.
Starstreak [4k\]: hes adding our C11 together :)
Krazie243 [10k\]: haha
akaishic [24k\]: as a 9d they don't get a handi against a pro right?
nightbug [8k?\]: C22 is stacking 2 stones on C11?
akaishic [24k\]: if this wasn't a tourny
Mef [-\]: aka - It's a tournament, there's no handi at all
Librarian [5k?\]: how about e14? insane or ok?
pe01 [7k\]: wol
ychen666 [3d?\]: e14 overplay.
Starstreak [4k\]: B needs to connect
nightbug [8k?\]: akaishic, they are competing to represent US.
akahi: c11 looks unnecessary
handi [1k\]: insane
Krazie243 [10k\]: e14? a bit risky dont ya think?
nightbug [8k?\]: Why should there be handicap?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: is w trying to salvage whatever territory he can, or does he think he can kill something?
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: salvage
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: be can settle his group or escape
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: black I mean
]
;B[dg]C[Starstreak [4k\]: w/o C11 B disconnected
waykay [3k\]: w still has e2 tesuji

kibarosman [ 7k \]: how would he settle?
]
;W[eh]C[ychen666 [3d?\]: B9
akahi: no, w couldn't cut
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: akaischic, click Options / View-offline to see all the previous moves
Solid30k [5k\]: b g13
nightbug [8k?\]: Yeah .. I like B9
pe01 [7k\]: Jie Li is amateur?
MrShintou [-\]: ...
nightbug [8k?\]: pe01, yes.

AiA [ 2d \]: impossible to kill
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: the left side is open
]
;B[ci]C[Torinouta [1d\]: pro-material amateur
MrShintou [-\]: no...
Starstreak [4k\]: C11 yay
akahi: funny squeeze prob on the side if w cuts w/o prparung
]
;W[ig]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: Jie-Li is me
akahi: *preparing

rbarnuska [ 2d \]: moves like b8, b9, b14, b15
]
;B[jh]C[pe01 [7k\]: chin chu lin
]
;W[bq]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: * puts pro-face
nightbug [8k?\]: B has to be careful
nightbug [8k?\]: dragon not alive.
Mef [-\]: Dragon is just asleep, must be careful not to wake it (=
mafutrct [14k\]: excuse me, what is a dragon?
Kamenoitte [-\]: B3 start of the endgame?
Librarian [5k?\]: g2 too slow?
Krazie243 [10k\]: a long line
pe01 [7k\]: hiper-monkey jump : F19
waykay [3k\]: a large lizard
Torinouta [1d\]: those animals in harry potter
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: long shape normally eyeless or 1 eyed
Mef [-\]: Dragon is a term used to describe a large group that doesn't have 2 secure eyes

davew [ 4d \]: three game match?
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: yes
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: yes game 2 at 9:00 AM tomorrow at the Go Center
davew [ 4d \]: thanks
malf [ 4k \]: evening dave
]
;B[gr]C[davew [ 4d \]: hi malf
]
;W[hr]C[mafutrct [14k\]: i see, thanks
Librarian [5k?\]: heh seems not
Calymos [18k?\]: Is this a replay,or the actual game in progress?
drunkard [3k?\]: does SL have a "Go slang" page?
Mef [-\]: Goterms?
nightbug [8k?\]: B2 settle in gote.
freccia [20k\]: actual
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: SL has Go Terms page
Trevoke [13k\]: Mef : Dragon is a term used to describe a runaway group of stones that is destroying the other player's territory and is really hard to stop
Cyclone001 [?\]: and remeber the hogwarts motto - do not tickle sleeping dragoons (paraphrase)
drunkard [3k?\]: simulcast of face to face game?
nightbug [8k?\]: Or G8?
akahi: mef is a troll ^^
Mef [-\]: yeah, http://senseis.xmp.net/?GoTerms
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: Mef is great teacher
mrkibbles [-\]: mef is the king troll
freccia [20k\]: drunk - yes

spiritbear [16k \]: hi dave
davew [ 4d \]: hi spirit*
yawho [ BC \]: hi, dave, malf, spirit
]
;B[br]BL[1380]
;W[ar]WL[540]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: shuddup
nightbug [8k?\]: B1
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: Mef is nicer than me
mrkibbles [-\]: mef knows im kidding :P
mrkibbles [-\]: were friends on myspace
ychen666 [3d?\]: looks like w is leading.
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: :-)
NAMT2006 [?\]: White has 9 minutes on their clock
pe01 [7k\]: what is the meaning of a golden crown in kgs?
nightbug [8k?\]: No you are not, mrkibbles, but Mef is happy to be called king.
Mef [-\]: MrK - Just for that you can share some of the space under the bridge d=
drunkard [3k?\]: KGS need "FAQBot" to answer questions like "what is a dragon" :^)
Starstreak [4k\]: crown = tourney winner
mrkibbles [-\]: sure buddy
NAMT2006 [?\]: Black has 23 minutes
pe01 [7k\]: ok star
mrkibbles [-\]: we can cuddle up together and listen to the cars go by
Calymos [18k?\]: So... This is being broadcast from somewhere?
Mef [-\]: From the Seattle Go Center
drunkard [3k?\]: black is a Kung Fu Genius!
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: erad above and stop all silly questions!
pe01 [7k\]: what is the difference between the yellow and cyan crowns?
nightbug [8k?\]: Wow .. thanks for time, NAMT.
NAMT2006 [?\]: The Spacious Seattle Go Center.  You can find us at www.seattlegocenter.org

kibarosman [ 7k \]: how much time do they have?
malf [ 4k \]: hi
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: White has 9 minutes on their clock
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: Black 23 minutes
kibarosman [ 7k \]: for how many moves?
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: Main time still
kibarosman [ 7k \]: and then how many byo yomi do they get?
]
;B[bs]C[nightbug [8k?\]: I thought it'd be evenly distributed, 
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: thx NAMT
Mef [-\]: Yellow crowns are tourny winners.....cyan crowns are supposed to be grey, and they're runners up
Cyclone001 [?\]: silver - not cyan - gold is winners silver is finished well
mrkibbles [-\]: i thought they were silver o_O
Mef [-\]: colorwise I consider silver and grey about the same
pe01 [7k\]: thx guys
ychen666 [3d?\]: b has difficulty to make komi.
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: make komi???
pe01 [7k\]: silver is brighter
mrkibbles [-\]: silver is shiny
Librarian [5k?\]: b9?
Librarian [5k?\]: ah no
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: on computer screens, its all grey, band white dots for both colors
Mef [-\]: bleh, now we're in that earlier endgame stage....
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: *black and white
Mef [-\]: I hate this stage because I'm so bad at it....
foe [2k\]: whit must be getting into time trouble
drunkard [3k?\]: 5x 1:00 byo-yomi?
mrkibbles [-\]: i dont quite think wer their yet mef
Mef [-\]: 10:00/25 canadianbyo
mrkibbles [-\]: still al ot of aji for that B group on the left
drunkard [3k?\]: thx
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W R15
Librarian [5k?\]: around M7 maybe? no idea :<
Mef [-\]: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/Rules.php  <== Details about the rules of the event
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W only has to secure her points
Mef [-\]: There's aji on the B left group...but it should live without too much strife
nightbug [8k?\]: Close games.
gepay [2k\]: I agre eiwth Mef early endgame
sensei212 [11k\]: 9p with 9d whats the different??
borrrden [6k?\]: 9d = amateur
Mef [-\]: Sensei's 9p is a certified pro
pe01 [7k\]: p = pro
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: only one is gonna win
nightbug [8k?\]: None, one passed a pro exam, the other didn't bother to.
nightbug [8k?\]: One makes more money than the other (guess who?)  :P
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: no difference on the board except at the end of the game
Mef [-\]: Well, one has passed an exam, and subsequently established herself as a top pro
sensei212 [11k\]: then 'd' stand for?
pe01 [7k\]: 9p did more than passing an exam
Mef [-\]: d stands for Dan
nightbug [8k?\]: The 9d makes more money than the 9p.  :)
sensei212 [11k\]: 'p'?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: pros dont have more money than amateurs
Mef [-\]: p is professional dan
borrrden [6k?\]: pro
gepay [2k\]: w seems in control
Trevoke [13k\]: nightbug, incorrect.. most amateur 9d are much weaker than 9p (9p = 9 dan professional)
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I guess its just the opposite
Torinouta [1d\]: only the few and the strong are "rich" Go pros...
pe01 [7k\]: Dan Certified Professional
drunkard [3k?\]: "p" verses "d" == boring discussion
nightbug [8k?\]: Trevoke, KGS 9d doesn't count.  AGA 9d is as strong as most pros.
akaishic [24k\]: you would think a pro would make more than an ameteur
pe01 [7k\]: it's the newest MS certification
sensei212 [11k\]: but this game is cool
nightbug [8k?\]: Not like there are many anyway.  :)
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: yeah, boring, lets keep it game-focused
idigo [1d\]: pro makes more playing go, aka
wolchengi [8d?\]: it's a matter of age and how active the 9p is
Solid30k [5k\]: also w 9p is AGA 10d....
gepay [2k\]: but there's more money on wall street
drunkard [3k?\]: our at least talk about soup
Calymos [18k?\]: Where do you think white'll go next...?
sensei212 [11k\]: is this live game?
Torinouta [1d\]: yes this is live game
borrrden [6k?\]: a statistic 10d only
Mef [-\]: yes, it's being played in seattle as we kibitz
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W is counting to find the bigger move
Calymos [18k?\]: Ah
wolchengi [8d?\]: there are many 9ps in the world who are at least 1 handi behind fresh pros
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I say R15 or M8
pasky [13k\]: I'd have a nagging urge to play somewhere around h10 (probably not exactly there, but to make it more trouble for black to connect)
drunkard [3k?\]: white J9
gatchaman [1d?\]: Is Jie Li from the east or west coast?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: H10 is dame
Solid30k [5k\]: w d14 is slow ? or w f9 is better ?
Mef [-\]: West Coast
Torinouta [1d\]: west side gatcha
Krazie243 [10k\]: f8?
mrkibbles [-\]: west
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: think of making points
Trevoke [13k\]: "Chicken soup for the go player" : a thesaurus of life, for the go player.
Krazie243 [10k\]: why not cut b with F8
sensei212 [11k\]: how bout b8?
pasky [13k\]: well, yes, I don't... that's why I'm 13k ;-)
Torinouta [1d\]: this is also a east coast vs west coast battle.

yawho [ BC \]: w leads ?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: if w wanted to reduce b's center, would L10 be too deep?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: could b capture that?
davew [ 4d \]: what's the komi?
malifaun [ 8k?\]: info says 6.5
malf [ 4k \]: 8, i think, it's Ing rules, isn't it?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: that's a lot of komi, isn't it?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: can they choose b or w, or is each game randomly assigned?
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: They nigiri'd before the game and Jie Li choose black
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: Tomorrow Feng Yun will play Black in game 2
malf [ 4k \]: should be nigiri 1st, alternate 2nd, nigiri 3rd
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: Game 3 they will Nigiri again
malifaun [ 8k?\]: any go client have nigiri option ? o:
yawho [ BC \]: huh, ni-gi-ri
malf [ 4k \]: yes
malf [ 4k \]: you can nigiri on IGS
romi [ BC \]: very thoughful kibitz tonight ...
jackfish [ 6k+\]: my title bar says feng yung black   is that wrong?
malf [ 4k \]: yes
yawho [ BC \]: hi, romi, ROMI
jackfish [ 6k+\]: sorry i cannot read
malf [ 4k \]: :)
malf [ 4k \]: w can still play e2
]
;W[ep]C[gatchaman [1d?\]: So B has an advantage in not having to deal with a time difference...W only arrived in Seattle from the East Coast today, I think.
pe01 [7k\]: wolchengi
sensei212 [11k\]: e4
sensei212 [11k\]: b not going to play e3
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: pasky , remember the rule: "connecting or cutting 2 safe groups is not good"
sensei212 [11k\]: yeah
drunkard [3k?\]: W thinks E4 is sente of just biggest engame move?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: its usually dame area
sensei212 [11k\]: e4 is something

tmaster1 [ 9p \]: its ok jackfish, it can be confusing
]
;B[gq]C[sensei212 [11k\]: g3
sensei212 [11k\]: see g3
drunkard [3k?\]: sente apparently
]
;W[gl]C[sensei212 [11k\]: yappari
Torinouta [1d\]: W is taking the initiative
Calymos [18k?\]: It moves! *gasp*
sensei212 [11k\]: g3
]
;B[fl]C[Krazie243 [10k\]: f7?
pe01 [7k\]: what is the award?
pe01 [7k\]: prize
]
;W[fm]C[Calymos [18k?\]: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking...
digikid [-\]: Prize Money:  1st Place: $3,000 2nd Place: $2,000 3rd Place: $1,000 4th Place: $500 
Calymos [18k?\]: Whee.
Krazie243 [10k\]: money
baltimore [3k\]: i think its 3 grand
pasky [13k\]: chinchulin: sounds good, will remember, thanks :)
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: a date with Chinchulin
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: the prize:-)
Krazie243 [10k\]: hahaha, then lose!
pasky [13k\]: chinchulin: but didn't everyone agree that d10 is not safe?
sensei212 [11k\]: $ ?
sensei212 [11k\]: yen?
digikid [-\]: I wouldn't say Rp.
drunkard [3k?\]: wow, very good prize for USA!
baltimore [3k\]: dollars, its a american tournament
sensei212 [11k\]: rpiah??
filiformis [1k?\]: east coast vs. west coast, like biggie vs. tupac
invention [14k\]: lol
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: yes pasky, B has to save his group
digikid [-\]: Rupiah "_
digikid [-\]: :)
sensei212 [11k\]: heh lol
drunkard [3k?\]: remember, tupac died
Trevoke [13k\]: Geez, y'all's focus capacities are so limited.

davew [ 4d \]: what really scares me about pros is their yose
kibarosman [ 7k \]: this is not yose, is it?
Gonnosuke [ 5k+\]: yose
malf [ 4k \]: reading :)
kibarosman [ 7k \]: isn't yose "endgame"?
davew [ 4d \]: right
]
;B[gs]
;W[be]
;B[bl]C[sensei212 [11k\]: b will go.......g9
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: C8
sensei212 [11k\]: oh
sensei212 [11k\]: no
digikid [-\]: omg
digikid [-\]: that fast?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: oh, B8 same
zchen [7d\]: nicely dont by w
sensei212 [11k\]: ive tough bout b8
Krazie243 [10k\]: b7?
]
;W[cl]C[bboysketch [11k\]: Does anyone know the time left for white is right now?
Solid30k [5k\]: zchen [7d\]: nicely dont by w  (what you mean ?
ImNoSensei [-\]: 9p vs 9d ?
zchen [7d\]: done8

AiA [ 2d \]: sorry, is 'yose' an english word?
]
;B[bk]C[pasky [13k\]: now d10 seems alive to me...
pe01 [7k\]: ya
pe01 [7k\]: w d12
foe [2k\]: does e2 kill?
Calymos [18k?\]: Dude, I love it when I think "Hey, what about there?" and they move there... 
horacelamb [1k\]: no it does not
andyusa [4d\]: Go, Lijie!

malf [ 4k \]: no, it's japanese
yawho [ BC \]: spanish
spiritbear [16k \]: most go terms are japanese
]
;W[fk]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: foe : no, that's why b played G1
Mef [-\]: feels like w has a slight edge here
horacelamb [1k\]: yeah I agree
horacelamb [1k\]: seems like white's winning
Mef [-\]: maybe 2 - 2.5 pts
borrrden [6k?\]: i've been staring at e2 as well
horacelamb [1k\]: upper left is huge
Krazie243 [10k\]: b - b6, w -  b7, b -  a7 
pe01 [7k\]: Jie Li is representing all amateur players?

malf [ 4k \]: IGS has a translation function for many Go terms,
AiA [ 2d \]: yawho thanks!
malf [ 4k \]: just enter trans term from the terminal command line
yawho [ BC \]: :-)
tiger3nt [ 3k \]: can w kill this b group?
]
;B[bf]
;W[df]
;B[cf]C[jantiff [-\]: alive
idigo [1d\]: jie li is representing himself
Solid30k [5k\]: k18 big for w
yithril [1k\]: so sad
]
;W[ce]C[yithril [1k\]: no big deaths
]
;B[ef]C[tre [5k\]: jie li is not a prof right?
]
;W[de]WL[600]C[sensei212 [11k\]: ?
DrGoPlayer [?\]: e2?
borrrden [6k?\]: correct
NAMT2006 [?\]: White has entered overtime
sensei212 [11k\]: whats b think?
Mef [-\]: Jie Li is a student? 
horacelamb [1k\]: he's an amateur
digikid [-\]: overtime?
nightbug [8k?\]: Thanks again NAMT.  :)
horacelamb [1k\]: he graduated in 2005
digikid [-\]: So byoyomi time now?
pe01 [7k\]: he/she?
Starstreak [4k\]: e14 for aji
digikid [-\]: period*
Mef [-\]: Digi - Canadian Byo yomi
nightbug [8k?\]: She now have 10 mins for 25 moves.
digikid [-\]: ah. thanks
sensei212 [11k\]: g10
Librarian [5k?\]: it's a bunny upside down (d15 being the eye)
nightbug [8k?\]: Jie graduated I believe and should be making big bucks NOT playing Go.  :)
Mef [-\]: Oh, is he not in grad school?
horacelamb [1k\]: I think he's going to go to grad school

dondellcro [ BC \]: spiritbear: in the west; although, there are korean and chinese equivalents for almost everything
RoseDukeJr [ 2k \]: nwih
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: White has entered overtime
kibarosman [ 7k \]: which is how long?
]
;B[ja]C[nightbug [8k?\]: Dunno.  :)
]
;W[hb]C[mrkibbles [-\]: i thought he was...
horacelamb [1k\]: he's not in grad school yet
nightbug [8k?\]: J12
filiformis [1k?\]: b lower left is alive?
ArsMagica [5k\]: b lost? :(
nightbug [8k?\]: no?
sensei212 [11k\]: why b not ply h19?
Cyclone001 [?\]: why not a monkey jump there?  didn't work?
digikid [-\]: I'm doubting, filiformis
baltimore [3k\]: he graduated in '05
Librarian [5k?\]: it's the same guys
pe01 [7k\]: monkey jump is gote
Mef [-\]: because k19 is better here (=
Shodannaru [?\]: he want sente
baltimore [3k\]: ucsd poli sci
sensei212 [11k\]: save.
nightbug [8k?\]: B6 is sente.  :D
sensei212 [11k\]: h19 is good too
ImNoSensei [-\]: can tenuki from monkey jump for sente too
nightbug [8k?\]: Not.
drunkard [3k?\]: poli sci!?!
pe01 [7k\]: mai
Solid30k [5k\]: h8?
Shodannaru [?\]: you wouldnt tenuki from that monkey jump
Shodannaru [?\]: lose so much territory
Calymos [18k?\]: Hate? Why...?
foe [2k\]: Lawyer?  or just an easy major
ImNoSensei [-\]: I mean B
andyusa [4d\]: m2?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: when is a good time to play H1?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: b could wipe out a lot of w's good territory in sente, no?
Tyro82 [ 6k+\]: no
]
;B[hs]C[Tsche1 [2d\]: k9
horacelamb [1k\]: yeah he's going to be a lawyer
sensei212 [11k\]: oh no
Mef [-\]: but if you tenuki from the monkey jump you lose more if white continues first
]
;W[jr]C[nightbug [8k?\]: J1?
horacelamb [1k\]: H19 seems fine 
Trevoke [13k\]: Can do K1 I think, if he wants to, but there's gotta be something bigger on the board.
nightbug [8k?\]: As long as H8 threat is there, can exploit the bottom peep.
pe01 [7k\]: j12
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: B can go elsewhere
andyusa [4d\]: G12
drunkard [3k?\]: can W E2 seki?
sbcap [4d\]: H1 bad, b is losing
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: remember you can allway play other bigger sente and come back to the actual fight later
Librarian [5k?\]: k9?
Mef [-\]: I was wondering about f12
Alice9 [1d\]: somehow B doesnt seem to have enough
Calymos [18k?\]: k2 to protect the territory, right?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: B needs more points
pe01 [7k\]: ja
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: g8?
horacelamb [1k\]: what's wrong with H19?
Trevoke [13k\]: j12 seems huge, like a lot of people have mentioned.
sbcap [4d\]: g8?  That is gross!
Krazie243 [10k\]: h8

davew [ 4d \]: k19 seems odd
yawho [ BC \]: kibaro is good
spiritbear [16k \]: dondellcro, of course, it makes sense that there would be
jst4fun [20k \]: is this live game?
]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]
;B[or]C[kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes
jst4fun [20k \]: thx
]
;W[kl]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: h19 is small now and bad
zchen [7d\]: nice
horacelamb [1k\]: how is it small?
yithril [1k\]: wasnt expecting this move
Mef [-\]: h19 is about 4 pts?
horacelamb [1k\]: in sente...
Ocean [4k\]: hi, who is playing?
Solid30k [5k\]: b 60 / w 67 ?
drunkard [3k?\]: look at your screen
digikid [-\]: See the name, hi, lol
Trevoke [13k\]: Ocean, look at the names.
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: read thewir names
Solid30k [5k\]: + komi
nightbug [8k?\]: E2 is kill, not seki, no?
yithril [1k\]: no nightbug
borrrden [6k?\]: that's what i think
digikid [-\]: E2 kill I guess
ImNoSensei [-\]: heh
drunkard [3k?\]: E2 looks seki to me.
baltimore [3k\]: if e2killed, they'da played it earlier than this, i'm sure
nightbug [8k?\]: So why no one playing there?  :P
DrGoPlayer [?\]: yes
ImNoSensei [-\]: there's something bigger on the board than killing that group obviously ;)
mrkibbles [-\]: if E2 killed im sure W wouldve played it
nightbug [8k?\]: No way!
Solid30k [5k\]: gote seki maybe
nightbug [8k?\]: E2 is kill it appears.
borrrden [6k?\]: I can't see the way it works 
horacelamb [1k\]: seems like seki
horacelamb [1k\]: it doesn't kill
DrGoPlayer [?\]: only 7 pts
Trevoke [13k\]: h8 then j10 ?
yithril [1k\]: definitely doesnt kill
Ocean [4k\]: who is black?
pe01 [7k\]: high-dan should help to clear things
Trevoke [13k\]: Ocean, look at the names..
digikid [-\]: See the name, oh man..
Mef [-\]: Jie Li is blakc
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: read their names , Ocean
Solid30k [5k\]: my count is b 60 / w 67 + komi
Ocean [4k\]: thanks

kibarosman [ 7k \]: H8?
Skr [13k+\]: b M2?
]
;B[jk]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: above the timer, duh
drunkard [3k?\]: player names are shown in the USUAL PLACE
]
;W[kk]C[sbcap [4d\]: E2 is "ten thoousand year ko"
Solid30k [5k\]: Zchen.. Did you count ?
zchen [7d\]: w wins
andyusa [4d\]: zchen?
Solid30k [5k\]: whats the differance ? 
sbcap [4d\]: w is leading by 10 after komi, at least
pe01 [7k\]: w wins experience
Solid30k [5k\]: how many pts ?
horacelamb [1k\]: L8 seems decisive
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: 7 dans count better
andyusa [4d\]: chen zhaonian?
Trevoke [13k\]: k8 now ?
sensei212 [11k\]: blacks in trouble?
Librarian [5k?\]: will he resign?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: will you?
nightbug [8k?\]: E2 is ko
drunkard [3k?\]: "resign" has very poor winning percentage.
sbcap [4d\]: He should resign right  now
nightbug [8k?\]: sbcap.  Thanks.
smeghead [3k\]: sbcap, can you tell us the sequence?
nightbug [8k?\]: I was reading offline.  :D
pe01 [7k\]: hehe
sbcap [4d\]: W E2
nightbug [8k?\]: w E2, b D1
sbcap [4d\]: B E3
pe01 [7k\]: what can b do before resigning?
nightbug [8k?\]: oh.  E3 first.
nightbug [8k?\]: :D
baltimore [3k\]: reading offline = playing everything out by hand
sbcap [4d\]: Then W D2, B D1
sbcap [4d\]: Then WE1,  B C2
nightbug [8k?\]: baltimore yes, pardon me, I'm 8k.  :)
sbcap [4d\]: W, C1, B Tenuki
pe01 [7k\]: w d2, b d1, we1, b resigns, that's the sequence

dondellcro [ BC \]: does someone understand why black played H1 before L8?
davew [ 4d \]: h1 sente
kibarosman [ 7k \]: H1 sente
shimmie [17k \]: h1 was sente, so it didnt' matter.
spiritbear [16k \]: how much time do they get?
shimmie [17k \]: why before o2 is a better question.
dondellcro [ BC \]: true
mitsun [ 3d \]: E2 leads to ko?
mitsun [ 3d \]: seems w has easy game
]
;B[lj]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: why dont just Ctrl+click the moves?
Krazie243 [10k\]: yeah
sbcap [4d\]: A "ten thousand year ko" is considered a tiny yose
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: to type
smeghead [3k\]: oic, then at this point is 10 000 ko?
sensei212 [11k\]: b in the corner dead??
smeghead [3k\]: yeah
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: Ctr+Click
smeghead [3k\]: thanks very much sbcap
ImNoSensei [-\]: how is that counted ?

XScorpioX [ 7k \]: yeah e2 results in ko
yawho [ BC \]: w is very thick
]
;W[jj]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: seki ?
sbcap [4d\]: NO,  have to be played out
drunkard [3k?\]: "clone" game and read it yourself.
]
;B[gh]
;W[gg]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: click Optioms - View off-line and enjoy
sensei212 [11k\]: how bout e2
wolchengi [8d?\]: wow... white did a good job

bmT [14k+\]: w a3 sente?
]
;B[ij]C[Solid30k [5k\]: so for sure 9p yose will be better than 9d yose ? that means 9d has no chance to win game ?
lanke [-\]: notice the 9p?
Mef [-\]: solid, nothing is ever for sure
TheOne [-\]: yose is jie lis specialty
Trevoke [13k\]: Solid30, Jie Li has won against many pros already
sbcap [4d\]: But why is b still playing?  Where is his chance?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: 9p is not certified better than 9d
lanke [-\]: Jie Li is very strong
]
;W[lm]C[horacelamb [1k\]: yeah he beat Feng Yun's husband
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: and Jie-Li is strong
Mef [-\]: if 9p's never made mistakes, why would they even play this game ?
sensei212 [11k\]: l6 
sbcap [4d\]: 9p is much better than KGS 9d

davew [ 4d \]: how is e2 ko? I'm stupid
]
;B[ml]C[psyc213 [6k\]: fondle?
Solid30k [5k\]: the one..ok i believe u
sensei212 [11k\]: l5 
ImNoSensei [-\]: heh, 9p playing here for fun can't be more than 9d, that doesn't mean anything
nightbug [8k?\]: I don't agree that it's tiny though.
horacelamb [1k\]: Jie Li said he had some accounts on KGS
ImNoSensei [-\]: (and this is not KGS 9 dan btw)
Ragnarok [1d\]: they don't make mistakes but their reading ability differs and that's what makes the games interesting
Tearsmay [4d\]: sbcap: another ridiculous comparison

kibarosman [ 7k \]: e2, e3, d2, e1
raf45 [22k?\]: wondering about e2 myself... don't think a3 is sent btw
]
;W[ii]C[Mef [-\]: Horace - like "jli"
wolchengi [8d?\]: black's yose is not very good
horacelamb [1k\]: no mef
wolchengi [8d?\]: he made 2 large errors
horacelamb [1k\]: 9d accounts
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: must be a reason for Jie Li to be here playing the finals, and its not becasue hes weak
TheOne [-\]: what errors, please?
Solid30k [5k\]: wolchengi what r they ?
Queselk [12k\]: what tournament is this?
sensei212 [11k\]: where this game held?
Mef [-\]: this is North American MAsters 
wolchengi [8d?\]: k 19
horacelamb [1k\]: NAMT, held in Seattle
Mef [-\]: in Seattle
nightbug [8k?\]: sensei212, Seattle.
stormrage [9k\]: rite now?
wolchengi [8d?\]: it's 1 point
sbcap [4d\]: for pros, you can't coompare a 50 years old 8 or 9p to an active player
Queselk [12k\]: 0.o
wolchengi [8d?\]: mistake
nightbug [8k?\]: stomrage, yes.
sensei212 [11k\]: seattle..ok
sbcap [4d\]: human do age
akahi: jie li wins by resign too often maybe
TheOne [-\]: where should k19 be?
pe01 [7k\]: I agree sbcap
wolchengi [8d?\]: and k9

mitsun [ 3d \]: e2 e3 d2, lots of ways then lead to ko
kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes
Zucca [ 5d \]: it actually seems ko...... the q is why they are not playing it...  it must be something i dont see
mitsun [ 3d \]: I don't see a way for b to get seki
kibarosman [ 7k \]: w e1 or d1, both lead to ko
davew [ 4d \]: b c3
mitsun [ 3d \]: d1
]
;B[fg]
;W[fh]C[Solid30k [5k\]: j19 ?
Solid30k [5k\]: would be better ?
sensei212 [11k\]: g9 is good?for b
TheOne [-\]: k9 seems desperate manuever
wolchengi [8d?\]: yeah right
TheOne [-\]: *maneuver
wolchengi [8d?\]: and because of n8 weakness

davew [ 4d \]: sorru, c2,
]
;B[fi]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: K19 at L7 would have been better
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: or near L7
wolchengi [8d?\]: it's not an easy question
wolchengi [8d?\]: also o 17 was slack...
Mef [-\]: I had wondered abtou o17
horacelamb [1k\]: seems like he needed to make some aji reduction move though
Solid30k [5k\]: if he played o 17 B should have killed corner
pe01 [7k\]: w can L11?
pasky [13k\]: what is black trying to say by f11?
wolchengi [8d?\]: the problem is he doesn't have enough time to
Mef [-\]: w l11, B just f14?
Solid30k [5k\]: because of sente
Solid30k [5k\]: yes
drunkard [3k?\]: W is milking last byo-yomi move?

davew [ 4d \]: b can just ignore after that?
mitsun [ 3d \]: e2 e3, d2 c2, d1 threatening f1 kill
disgo [ 6d+\]: no
malf [ 4k \]: Ing rules, right?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: if b c2, w d1, if b ignores, w e1 or f1 kills, no?
Zucca [ 5d \]: jie li is a pro?
Toumaru [ BC \]: Hello everyone, is this a live match?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: no, he's ama
Zucca [ 5d \]: i bet he is stronger than many pros
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: hes probably an amatuer of professional strength
Zucca [ 5d \]: how old is he? i wonder
kibarosman [ 7k \]: ~24
jst4fun [20k \]: in this years NAMT tournament, he beat a lot of pros
storm135 [ 3d \]: e2 e3, d2 d1?
Zucca [ 5d \]: hmmm he is young
]
;W[hh]C[Solid30k [5k\]: and so far w has not much time i guess..
freccia [20k\]: W is doing better on time? I thought as other way
Solid30k [5k\]: byo yomi
Mef [-\]: w is in Byo-yomi, but if w has already made 24 moves......might as well use all the time on this one

davew [ 4d \]: b too many dame, I think, mitsun
disgo [ 6d+\]: yes storm
Zucca [ 5d \]: feng yun is a woman pro....right?
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: yes
kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes
skinner [ 4d \]: A very pretty female pro
]
;B[gi]
;W[ff]C[gatchaman [ 7k+\]: yes, she is 1 of 2 9 p's in the world
Zucca [ 5d \]: when i met her in flushing once..... i believe she was 4p
]
;B[hj]C[sbcap [4d\]: E11
nightbug [8k?\]: Black lost I think, even if black gets E3.
horacelamb [1k\]: w+20?
Solid30k [5k\]: j9
rubbergo [5d\]: feng yun is a man or woman?
horacelamb [1k\]: woman
tre [5k\]: woman
Solid30k [5k\]: feman
tre [5k\]: lol feman
tre [5k\]: ;D
pe01 [7k\]: man
gepay [2k\]: w took control of early endgame
Solid30k [5k\]: she is a female but she is as strong as man
pe01 [7k\]: plays like a man
baltimore [3k\]: ohsnap
wolchengi [8d?\]: that's a result of the middle game
ray12 [-\]: bleh
nightbug [8k?\]: Why say play like a man?
NannyOgg [-\]: um, she plays like a female, nice and aggressively
ImNoSensei [-\]: heh

Zucca [ 5d \]: haha yes... she was attractive looking back then
gatchaman [ 7k+\]: (1 of 2 women 9 p's in the world, that is)
malf [ 4k \]: still is
jst4fun [20k \]: no, when she moved to US, she was already 9p
Zucca [ 5d \]: oh.... it must be a different woman pro from china then
Hermitage [ 2k \]: what is NAMT?
malf [ 4k \]: i saw her in Aug 2005, very pretty woman
gatchaman [ 7k+\]: You might be thinking of Guo Juan?  She is 5p, living in the Netherlands
Zucca [ 5d \]: north american masters tournamant?
gatchaman [ 7k+\]: NAMT = North American Master's Tournament - taking place live in Seattle, Washington  at the Seattle Go Center
]
;W[bm]C[nightbug [8k?\]: Is it necessary that man is stronger?  Geez.  bunch of MCPs.
davou [6k\]: solid: I was a woman for one magical night, and I find that offencive.
Queselk [12k\]: is she a strong player in terms of professional power?
Solid30k [5k\]: ^^ no offense 
rubbergo [5d\]: all women will jump now...
davou [6k\]: man I need to lay off the peyote....
NannyOgg [-\]: *jumps
nightbug [8k?\]: Rui is stronger than Jujo.  :D
akaishic [24k\]: 9p is as high as you go i thought 
NannyOgg [-\]: Queselk, she is 9p...
pe01 [7k\]: hehe, "plays like a man" is a peep in the chat room to know if there are women
idigo [1d\]: rui is very aggressive, too
TheOne [-\]: pogoclown is stronger than all of us...

Gonnosuke [ 5k+\]: Pretty girls with killer instinct...scary
Zucca [ 5d \]: is she married?
gatchaman [ 7k+\]: yes, with 2 children
Zucca [ 5d \]: oh...darn it
malf [ 4k \]: widowed, i think
Zucca [ 5d \]: malf really?
malf [ 4k \]: not sure
malf [ 4k \]: think i read that
]
;B[hl]C[sensei212 [11k\]: no..i play with my sister,then she beat me like a dog
]
;W[gk]C[skinner [ 4d \]: wouldn't matter, matter is if she single?
]
;B[il]C[borrrden [6k?\]: technically you can be 10p if you have the judan title ;)
Queselk [12k\]: yea well a 16 year old 5p won the LG Cup
TheOne [-\]: lol
sbcap [4d\]: b is not thinking killing w bottoom group I hope
ImNoSensei [-\]: that's a Japanese title :p
TheOne [-\]: not quite
Queselk [12k\]: its internationl
Mef [-\]: Well, the Pro ranking systems vary country to country....
TheOne [-\]: he almost won
Mef [-\]: Japan fixed theirs a few years back
Queselk [12k\]: i thought chen yaoye beat gu li
mrkibbles [-\]: i still have yet to see a japanese pro who isnt 9p
nightbug [8k?\]: B has to think about white's bottom.
sensei212 [11k\]: america did have titles?
nightbug [8k?\]: Too attractive to miss.
TheOne [-\]: no gu li won in 5
sbcap [4d\]: K7
lanke [-\]: he came real close tho
Mef [-\]: MrK That's because the japanese system promotes you if you do things that ywould make you famous
Trevoke [13k\]: mrkibbles : Murakami Akihide-san is currently 1p, I believe
Ten [4d?\]: Mrkibbles, have you watched Hikaru no Go?
mrkibbles [-\]: i know
Cloudwall [7k\]: there are actually many Japanese pros that aren'
Queselk [12k\]: didnt he win an international title thats why he was promoted to 7p?
Cloudwall [7k\]: aren't 0p
mrkibbles [-\]: yeah, i am a hikaru no go child
Cloudwall [7k\]: sorry
Cloudwall [7k\]: 9p

raf45 [22k?\]: either way you should have a shot.... homewrecker ^.^
raf45 [22k?\]: kidding of course
Zucca [ 5d \]: i dont wanna be a homewrecker
mitsun [ 3d \]: OK, I see, thousand year ko, not much burden on b
spiritbear [16k \]: the world doesn't need more homewreckers
spiritbear [16k \]: just more pretty 9p female go players  :)
]
;W[jm]C[mrkibbles [-\]: he won the LG cup and got promoted to 9p
Ten [4d?\]: Umezawa Yukari at the end of each episode
Mef [-\]: If you compete in a League for a major title you will be promoted to 5 or 6p....if you challenge for a major title or win a minor title, you will be 8p....
akaishic [24k\]: am i the only person that hasn't watched hikaru?
Mef [-\]: if you win a major title you will be 9p

Zucca [ 5d \]: mitsun was quiet for last ten min... he was reading the variation
RoseDukeJr [ 2k \]: L10
]
;B[lr]C[Mef [-\]: I haven't aka
sensei212 [11k\]: umezawa was what p?
]
;W[mq]C[mrkibbles [-\]: if Kong Jie can win an international title, he will also be promoted to 9p
sensei212 [11k\]: 9p?
Librarian [5k?\]: heh b's got some neat moves there, hasnt he?

lexansoft [21k \]: does anyone know why there is no letter I on the board?
]
;B[ko]
;W[jo]C[mitsun [ 3d \]: yes, not quite as fast as pro :)
]
;B[ms]C[drunkard [3k?\]: M2 is standard tesuji
Librarian [5k?\]: -_-
nightbug [8k?\]: M2 considered tesuji?  :P
Cloudwall [7k\]: Umezawa Yukari was 6p I believe, though I'm not 100% sure
Keren [?\]: cant g1 be killed?

onesickpup [ 5k+\]: cuz it look like a one
davew [ 4d \]: I is often confused with J
mitsun [ 3d \]: they probably just instantly recognize the shape
]
;W[ji]C[mrkibbles [-\]: for a while, a joke in china was
Mef [-\]: It's one thing to know a standard tesuji after seeing it played...it's another to play it....and even another to earn the spot in the tournament where others can comment on your playing it
Solid30k [5k\]: l10
mrkibbles [-\]: you cant throw a brick without hitting a japenese 9p
davou [6k\]: karen: I dont think so.
davou [6k\]: e2 e3 d2 d1 alive
Keren [?\]: hmm seems like a week shape

spiritbear [16k \]: to easy to confuse with J or L
spiritbear [16k \]: *too easy
lexansoft [21k \]: interesting ;) thnx
]
;B[ki]C[davew [ 4d \]: causes trouble for dyslexic
raf45 [22k?\]: because i is made obsolete by y
]
;W[hi]
;B[gj]C[davou [6k\]: but I didnt dig to much digging.
Torinouta [1d\]: i dont recall such a joke erik -_-;;;
]
;W[oj]
;B[ng]C[davou [6k\]: if it can be killed, black would have played there already
mrkibbles [-\]: i jsut heard it came from china
Torinouta [1d\]: but i'd agree ^_^
davou [6k\]: same for white.
pe01 [7k\]: w+10
mrkibbles [-\]: lmao
drunkard [3k?\]: Mef -- come on, M2 was not hard.
sensei212 [11k\]: eh??????//
Solid30k [5k\]: missclick ?
sensei212 [11k\]: what happen?
Cyclone001 [?\]: no udnos!! :P
Cyclone001 [?\]: *undos
horacelamb [1k\]: W+60.5
drunkard [3k?\]: CHEATER, LOL ^_^
rubbergo [5d\]: lol
sensei212 [11k\]: 9p game can undo??unbelievable
rubbergo [5d\]: 9p cheater!
]
;W[kr]C[Torinouta [1d\]: W+60.5, SE is so accurate!!
]
;B[ha]C[sensei212 [11k\]: yeah
]
;W[ga]
;B[ia]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: this is a demo
sensei212 [11k\]: agree
]
;W[gb]C[Mef [-\]: m2 is not hard....but that doesn't mean that it's any easier to ee under the stress of a tournament
ImNoSensei [-\]: -_-
drunkard [3k?\]: feh
Solid30k [5k\]: w + komi = resul (imo)
Keren [?\]: he must have made a misclick
]
;B[qe]
;W[rd]C[tre [5k\]: lol
sensei212 [11k\]: no wonder so fast click
Torinouta [1d\]: im gonna see if i can go to Seattle tomorrow and broadcast instead of Jon =/, toooo many misclicks ^^;
Pasukaru [2k\]: i missed it ans died in tournament 3 weeks ago ....
]
;B[lq]
;W[kq]
;B[ls]C[Cloudwall [7k\]: umm, if it's a tournament, it's being broadcast here, not played here, right. . .
]
;W[mp]C[pe01 [7k\]: NAMT missclicked
Cloudwall [7k\]: exactly pe01
Librarian [5k?\]: J7?
Torinouta [1d\]: person under NAMT is Jon Boley
Mef [-\]: This is being played over a real board in Seattle

Zucca [ 5d \]: w is better
]
;B[dh]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: it is a demo "control : NAMT2006"
pe01 [7k\]: nice to meet you Mr Boley
NAMT2006 [?\]: raar
rubbergo [5d\]: this is live game?
Solid30k [5k\]: Torimnouta is he in our go club ?
Mef [-\]: yes
sbcap [4d\]: W should have E11 before, then A14 sente
freccia [20k\]: relay
Torinouta [1d\]: Seattle Go Club
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: ouch , I just burnt my arm with the oven
Queselk [12k\]: wish i had a go club
Librarian [5k?\]: isnt J2 bigger than D12?
Torinouta [1d\]: Tacoma Go Club > Seattle Go Club though, of course!!
drunkard [3k?\]: do they use a video
tasaboy [2d\]: hi jon its michael :D
zzz [2k\]: W E2 seki?
tasaboy [2d\]: isnt it a thousand year ko
NAMT2006 [?\]: hey michael
drunkard [3k?\]: video camera over the board, observers in another room?
Solid30k [5k\]: Portland Go Club R0X! ^^
davou [6k\]: zzz play it out
NAMT2006 [?\]: in seattle we can be respectfull and stay in room
horacelamb [1k\]: the broadcaster is probably quietly observing the game
Queselk [12k\]: sounds like hikaru no go drunkard
pe01 [7k\]: this is a teaching game
NAMT2006 [?\]: if tacoma they would have to have a seperate room
Krazie243 [10k\]: could w e2 kill?
nightbug [8k?\]: No way for B to win.
ImNoSensei [-\]: lol
StevenMW [11k\]: amen solid30k
Torinouta [1d\]: pshhh, we got...steve stringfellow, david ma, chunlei, mr. oh, we win
borrrden [6k?\]: people say no it can't kill
Trevoke [13k\]: pe01 : not a teaching game, a tournament game.
JKC [-\]: black has been utlletly defeated by 9p
drunkard [3k?\]: they should broadcast video on the web!!!
pe01 [7k\]: =D
borrrden [6k?\]: maybe i'm too tired and haven't played go in a while

Zucca [ 5d \]: i would think
Meekohi [20k+\]: I've been thinking that as well Zucca
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: looks close to me
raf45 [22k?\]: hmm, interesting that w didn't try to make a slight push from the middle to upper right to reduce territory earlier
Zucca [ 5d \]: meekohi, of course
kibarosman [ 7k \]: why not w e2?
Zucca [ 5d \]: kibar  that is my unanswered q too
kibarosman [ 7k \]: even if ko now, seems like nothing bigger
RoseDukeJr [ 2k \]: gote
AiA [ 2d \]: looks b leading acouple of points
jst4fun [20k \]: white leads 2 -3 pts
Zucca [ 5d \]: i think w won by a comfortable margin
kibarosman [ 7k \]: gote, but worth about 40 points
]
;W[kn]C[Keren [?\]: i think e2 would kill no?
Torinouta [1d\]: maybe a seattle go center - tacoma go club battle sometime Jon? ^_^
tasaboy [2d\]: e2 e3 d2 d1 e1 c2.. thousand year ko
borrrden [6k?\]: but i can't see after w e2 b e3 w d1
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I burn my arm, should I call 911?

RoseDukeJr [ 2k \]: i don't see how
]
;B[ei]
;W[ee]C[borrrden [6k?\]: no
Torinouta [1d\]: no
borrrden [6k?\]: you are not dying
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: it hurts
ImNoSensei [-\]: ...
Torinouta [1d\]: you should stop drop and roll!!
pe01 [7k\]: water!
]
;B[is]C[smeghead [3k\]: duck and cover
texaspete2 [1k\]: weren't you the one complaining about non-game comments?
Torinouta [1d\]: salt on the wound always heals.
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: a piece of skin is falling
borrrden [6k?\]: cold water for 15 minutes straight
davou [6k\]: lol smeghead
pasky [13k\]: play some go to stop thinking about it
nightbug [8k?\]: Is this him?  http://gobase.org/information/players/?pp=Li%20Jie
borrrden [6k?\]: go to the hospital then
sbcap [4d\]: E2 now?
horacelamb [1k\]: wow this is actually somewhat close
nightbug [8k?\]: gobase list him as 4p?
mrkibbles [-\]: the other Jie Li
fathwad [2k?\]: different guy
smeghead [3k\]: :)
pe01 [7k\]: enter in your refrigerator
pe01 [7k\]: now!
horacelamb [1k\]: yeah there's a Chinese pro named the same thing
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: I 'll try that
mrkibbles [-\]: theres a different Jie Li in china, whos doing rather well
Mef [-\]: nightbug, If that's the chinese pro, no it's not him
horacelamb [1k\]: this guy's an American amateur
dougghost [3k\]: w gonna win like 4.5
Torinouta [1d\]: J. Li pro, J. Li 6d chn ama in Germany, J. Li 9d aga ama in California ^_^
horacelamb [1k\]: yeah white's win seems to be within komi though
mrkibbles [-\]: no, the amatuer is CHinese as well
sensei212 [11k\]: this is Santa title..hehe
Queselk [12k\]: why doesnt america have a pro system?
Torinouta [1d\]: there are 3 strong J. Li's
horacelamb [1k\]: well maybe originally

RoseDukeJr [ 2k \]: gote for b too
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: but sente next move
]
;W[er]C[horacelamb [1k\]: but he's American now
]
;B[eq]C[Queselk [12k\]: insufficient funds?
mrkibbles [-\]: there isnt enough strength in america
baltimore [3k\]: check facebook
sbcap [4d\]: yes
davou [6k\]: oh!
Keren [?\]: finally
borrrden [6k?\]: oh boy!
]
;W[dr]C[borrrden [6k?\]: finally
]
;B[ds]
;W[es]C[sensei212 [11k\]: wow
]
;B[cr]BL[600]C[davou [6k\]: yes
]
;W[cs]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: nobody cares about go enough to finance a pro wolrd
Solid30k [5k\]: res
sbcap [4d\]: See!  My sequence!
ImNoSensei [-\]: world*
tasaboy [2d\]: its probably going to be a seki :p
sensei212 [11k\]: f2
sensei212 [11k\]: ko
Keren [?\]: wahoo!
Mef [-\]: mannen ko
nightbug [8k?\]: I read it too.  :D
Keren [?\]: ko ko ko ko ko
texaspete2 [1k\]: I imagine there's more then 3, it's just that we only know of 3
sbcap [4d\]: tEN tHOUSAND YEAR KO
Queselk [12k\]: people in america would become so much stronger though
dougghost [3k\]: b finish
Torinouta [1d\]: America is too weak in the Go scene =(
sbcap [4d\]: b resign
tasaboy [2d\]: why b resign?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: usa doesnt exist
tasaboy [2d\]: b has so many outside libs
filiformis [1k?\]: funny that chinese names have moved to 2 chars instead of 3, seems confusing
Keren [?\]: if he loses this he resigns
sensei212 [11k\]: k1 is suicide
Queselk [12k\]: hmmmm
ArsMagica [5k\]: e9 
tasaboy [2d\]: w needs to fill like 1847312907843 libso n the outside before she can attempt to kill
Queselk [12k\]: maybe we can take over all the tv networks and play hikaru no go 24/7
NAMT2006 [?\]: both players are in overtime
texaspete2 [1k\]: seki is plenty for w to win
Mef [-\]: w will just make seki
Queselk [12k\]: that would peak interests
borrrden [6k?\]: doesn't fill = bulky 5?
Krazie243 [10k\]: not true
sbcap [4d\]: b is lagging behind even on board
dougghost [3k\]: alji here
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: ?
Krazie243 [10k\]: w needs d1
sbcap [4d\]: so resign please!
baltimore [3k\]: bulky 5 with two more liberties
davou [6k\]: tasa who cares
sbcap [4d\]: RESIGN!
ImNoSensei [-\]: no fill is seki
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: anime only scares intelligent ppl
zzz [2k\]: w play ko for seki
nightbug [8k?\]: Thanks folks .. didn't know so many Jie Li.  :)
filiformis [1k?\]: i hear aga is thinking of certifying pros actually
Librarian [5k?\]: T11? ^^
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: most hikarus are stupid who quit before 20k
Mef [-\]: Fil - there would be no point
ImNoSensei [-\]: aga pros would be kind of funny
Krazie243 [10k\]: can w kill?
Krazie243 [10k\]: or is ko for seki?
sensei212 [11k\]: blacks is gonna resign :(
Mef [-\]: Aga pros would have no real purpose...
nightbug [8k?\]: Yeah, birth year is different.  This Jie is 1981.  That pro is 1983.
Librarian [5k?\]: ko for seki
Keren [?\]: ko for seki
sbcap [4d\]: RESIGN!
Queselk [12k\]: i watch and im not quitting any time soon
pasky [13k\]: chinchulin: but there are hikaru dans to be seen as well
StevenMW [11k\]: aga pros would be like mongolian golf pros
mrkibbles [-\]: it can die cant it?
Queselk [12k\]: spent to much money on it to just quit

Meekohi [20k+\]: Well, there it is.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: there it is...
mitsun [ 3d \]: here we go
AiA [ 2d \]: e9 now?
mitsun [ 3d \]: funny ko, neither side can afford to fill
kibarosman [ 7k \]: if w manages to play D1, b is dead
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: black has to win that to make it close. no seki
mitsun [ 3d \]: not much threat until outside liberties gone
kibarosman [ 7k \]: mitsun, no need to fill liberties, no?
mitsun [ 3d \]: w d1 would be gote seki
davew [ 4d \]: right, so why w playing here
kibarosman [ 7k \]: true, it's seki, not a kill
mitsun [ 3d \]: if w wants to kill, must fill outside liberties first
jst4fun [20k \]: if white can make 2 - 3 pts from this ko, white wins comfortablely
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: both players are in overtime
mitsun [ 3d \]: seki worth around 6 pts for w, compared to b life
Skr [13k+\]: why b not b2?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: because he already has b2?
Skr [13k+\]: instead of D1, excuse
Zucca [ 5d \]: almost seki
Zucca [ 5d \]: good for w
Zucca [ 5d \]: that was a finish blow by w
davew [ 4d \]: ic, thanks
raf45 [22k?\]: yeh, black can't win that
mitsun [ 3d \]: b can d1, worth 8 pts if he ignores w ko threat to kill
disgo [ 6d+\]: not almost seki;  w has to win the ko
mitsun [ 3d \]: if w holds ko, he can seki
kibarosman [ 7k \]: but w can ignore twice, right?
Zucca [ 5d \]: w needs to win the ko to be seki
mitsun [ 3d \]: if b holds ko, he can kill
kibarosman [ 7k \]: b can't fill in C1
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: c4 a3
mitsun [ 3d \]: very unlikely for w to be able to kill
]
;B[rk]
;W[qk]C[Torinouta [1d\]: mongolian golf pros ftw
]
;B[ds]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: there is no pro at USA, stop watching cartoons and read more about Go
horacelamb [1k\]: could but won't
]
;W[ns]C[ArsMagica [5k\]: ha
]
;B[os]
;W[cs]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: :-)
sensei212 [11k\]: so fast for white!!
Mef [-\]: an Aga pro could....compete in all the big American pro tournaments?  
davou [6k\]: how does black plan on effectively killing that group?
Kamenoitte [-\]: Krazie, technically, White -can- kill, with a 9 or 10 step ko though
Solid30k [5k\]: a game without KO is almost impossible!
ImNoSensei [-\]: mef : hahaha
StevenMW [11k\]: haha right mef
sbcap [4d\]: Not technically, shold be THEORITICALLY!!!
dougghost [3k\]: w saving a lot of ko
smeghead [3k\]: sbcap: is this "ten thousand year ko?" w was at no disadvantage to start the ko...?
filiformis [1k?\]: i'm not saying it's a good idea, only that they're considering it
horacelamb [1k\]: F1
sbcap [4d\]: Technically, it is a tiny YOSE
Queselk [12k\]: we just need a go genius to be born in america
StevenMW [11k\]: ahem
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: lol
borrrden [6k?\]: if white fills where are black's eyes?
GreatWolf [-\]: why theyre fighting this ko xD
]
;B[im]
;W[in]C[pe01 [7k\]: I had never seen a mannen-ko before
]
;B[ds]C[sbcap [4d\]: If w fills, then seki
ImNoSensei [-\]: if there is one, he can just go to Korea or China where people play pro go
Mef [-\]: Ques -michael redmond is pretty strong
Torinouta [1d\]: you haven't seen much go then ^^;

Zucca [ 5d \]: whites intention is not to kill but be seki
]
;W[sm]
;B[rn]C[mitsun [ 3d \]: right
]
;W[cs]C[baltimore [3k\]: he's 9p
Queselk [12k\]: yar
]
;B[ir]C[Kamenoitte [-\]: This isn't 10 thousand year
Queselk [12k\]: but he plays for japan
Torinouta [1d\]: michael is regarded by many as a weaakkk 9;
Torinouta [1d\]: 9p*
Starstreak [4k\]: there have probably already been potential geniuses born in the USA but they're not in an environment that promotes go
sbcap [4d\]: now w can D1
baltimore [3k\]: he'sin the title match thats going on now
Queselk [12k\]: which is sad
Mef [-\]: Of course....becaause there's nothing to play for as a pro in America....there's no point
GreatWolf [-\]: why they are fighting this ko ???
sbcap [4d\]: bu will lose 4 points in center
davou [6k\]: l10 ?
PaperTiger [4k\]: For seki, GreatWolf
davou [6k\]: oh, nvm

skinner [ 4d \]: remember Cho U game. It is something like this
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: seki probably good enough to win
]
;W[iq]
;B[ds]
;W[ks]C[Starstreak [4k\]: what if they made American Title Matches :0
GreatWolf [-\]: how this will be seki xD
sbcap [4d\]: RESIGN!!!!!
baltimore [3k\]: because b cant take w, since it leaves bulky 5
Queselk [12k\]: yilun yang would win them all
PaperTiger [4k\]: If white can fill the ko, black can't kill it, seki
Librarian [5k?\]: this ko makes u sleepy~~
PaperTiger [4k\]: Learn some nakade shapes
Torinouta [1d\]: prize purses of $150 and a slate&shell gift certificate would be the "Meijin" prize
digikid [-\]: lol
nightbug [8k?\]: Greatwolf, if black tries to capture, it'll result in dagger 5.
Starstreak [4k\]: LOL
pe01 [7k\]: SE: b+2,5 
Mef [-\]: If they made American title matches, that had reasonable economic backing......We might see american pros....but in order to not be laughed at they should be of comparable strength to JCK pros...
nightbug [8k?\]: But if white tries, then it won't be dagger 5 and black lives.
Cyclone001 [?\]: sbcap:  the sb stands for stuck button?
StevenMW [11k\]: haha

kibarosman [ 7k \]: how can b win this ko?
skinner [ 4d \]: Cho was Black, white start a ko and win and win the game
mitsun [ 3d \]: b could win ko by ignoring w ko threat to play f1 or f2
kibarosman [ 7k \]: he can't fill in C1, and if he plays F1 or F2, he runs the risk of getting killed, no more seki
jst4fun [20k \]: if seki, white wins 8-10 pts
]
;B[ns]
;W[cs]C[StevenMW [11k\]: he's just trying to get a rise
ArsMagica [5k\]: don't trust se - cause it's aga rules
freccia [20k\]: Y not T5?
sbcap [4d\]: Cyclone makes drug?
ArsMagica [5k\]: w will win
tromp [-\]: e9
mrkibbles [-\]: AGA rules only affect the game by maybe 2 points
ArsMagica [5k\]: um
Torinouta [1d\]: could make all the difference in the world kibbles
sbcap [4d\]: sandbad THE cap
Starstreak [4k\]: 2 points is alot in a pro game :)
sbcap [4d\]: Sandbag THE cap
]
;B[ek]
;W[el]
;B[ds]C[StevenMW [11k\]: aga ten times better than chinese rules
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: ?
ArsMagica [5k\]: mrkibbles - in willzhang's game it was around 7 points :P
]
;W[no]C[PaperTiger [4k\]: AGA rules are same as Chinese, pretty much
StevenMW [11k\]: chinese rules suck
]
;B[mn]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: AGA = chinese
]
;W[cs]C[StevenMW [11k\]: not really
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: you sux
Queselk [12k\]: shusaku won by more then five in a lot of his games
Librarian [5k?\]: lol
sbcap [4d\]: there is no way b can win this ko w/o big sacrifice
]
;B[am]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: :-P
Mef [-\]: AGA reconciles territory and area scoring, and is effectively chinese rules
horacelamb [1k\]: idk AGA counting is actually like Japanese but with pass stones
filiformis [1k?\]: the problem is all the talented americans play jeopardy instead
sbcap [4d\]: This is even not sente

raf45 [22k?\]: how many points has that ko costed b already.. magical ko's are fun
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: black giving up?
]
;W[an]C[yawho [ BC \]: gm over
]
;B[ds]C[Queselk [12k\]: or chess
Torinouta [1d\]: AGA counting is basically chinese, except that you can do area counting and get the same result as a chinese rule would
StevenMW [11k\]: chinese count in a completely diff way. even if the score doesnt acutally change that much,it changes the nature of the game needlessly
]
;W[mm]
;B[nl]C[onesickpup [ 5k+\]: oh damaging ko
]
;W[cs]C[Krazie243 [10k\]: t11
Krazie243 [10k\]: ?
StevenMW [11k\]: stones on board vrs. terr
ImNoSensei [-\]: needlessly ?
]
;B[si]
;W[sj]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: it's a Chinese game
]
;B[ds]C[PaperTiger [4k\]: How is the nature of the game changed?
Krazie243 [10k\]: =)
Trevoke [13k\]: Since go is chinese game, you can argue that japanese changed the nature of game

onesickpup [ 5k+\]: black like cowboy in the movie full metal jacket
]
;W[oh]C[StevenMW [11k\]: no, its an international game
sbcap [4d\]: I think if you have some Asian culture influence, you have a better cahnce to play super pro GO
tromp [-\]: f2
Librarian [5k?\]: chinese rules are more consistent than official jpn rules (from 1989, last revision)
Librarian [5k?\]: imho
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: ??? chinese rules are the original, its the japanese that changed slightly
filiformis [1k?\]: no, it's an intergalactic game
Queselk [12k\]: japanese revolutionized the game sounds better
ImNoSensei [-\]: lol
StevenMW [11k\]: haha fili
Mef [-\]: Chinese rules of today are not original chinese rules
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: get your facts about Go right before making more silly comments
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: thx

onesickpup [ 5k+\]: all hangin there dying
]
;B[ni]C[raf45 [22k?\]: I think w will prolly fill in the ko soon
]
;W[cs]C[blackness2 [1k\]: can't fill steven
Mef [-\]: Chinese rules were originally territory counting with a group tax
StevenMW [11k\]: dont be a pompous prick chin
tromp [-\]: chinese rules are ambiguous
tasaboy [2d\]: b can play f1 instead of filling
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: Mef, is correct
Mef [-\]: Later the chinese changed to area counting
Trevoke [13k\]: Queselk, sure it sounds better, but you have to read up on the facts.

skinner [ 4d \]: I thought Full Metal is a war movie
]
;B[sc]C[tasaboy [2d\]: then b will live
Queselk [12k\]:  ever heard of the golden age of go?
Cyclone001 [?\]: can we please end this endless and silly "our go players/rules/whatever-else is better than yous - nya nya" stuff?
nightbug [8k?\]: StevenMW, CCL agaiin?  Trevoke already suggested 200 moves ago to censor him.  :D
Queselk [12k\]: happened in japan
Librarian [5k?\]: korea also has some interesting "old" rules, where stones were already placed on the board making for crazy fighting game
Queselk [12k\]: ever heard of go seigen and minoru kitani?
Mef [-\]: so does china
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: tibetan Go still played that way
sbcap [4d\]: I am a chinese, but I like Jap/Kor rules, 
ImNoSensei [-\]: librarian : that's pretty close to traditional chinese
Krazie243 [10k\]: t19 and t16 are life for white right?

Zucca [ 5d \]: has anyone actually played Jie Li?
Zucca [ 5d \]: against
skinner [ 4d \]: I did
Zucca [ 5d \]: here in igsz/
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i took a lesson from him once :)
Zucca [ 5d \]: skinner u did? how many handicap?
skinner [ 4d \]: I kick his student butt
]
;W[ds]C[Librarian [5k?\]: :-o
ImNoSensei [-\]: you mean sunjang baduk right ?

skinner [ 4d \]: He gave me 4
]
;B[sb]C[StevenMW [11k\]: yeah like tibet go libarian

Zucca [ 5d \]: lol
]
;W[sa]C[Trevoke [13k\]: Queselk, wow, the 20th century? This game is 3000 years old and you're talking about the last 50 years!
Librarian [5k?\]: yes, INS
filiformis [1k?\]: whoa
nightbug [8k?\]: Is T17 threat real?
sbcap [4d\]: fill in the dummies feel silly
rubbergo [5d\]: japanese rules are more intuitive than chinese
nightbug [8k?\]: Or does it result in another ko?
TheOne [-\]: resign now...
Krazie243 [10k\]: lol
Queselk [12k\]: when it was revolutionized trevoke!
Krazie243 [10k\]: another ko
]
;B[ra]C[Mef [-\]: q19?

Zucca [ 5d \]: did u win?
]
;W[rc]C[Krazie243 [10k\]: for white life
nightbug [8k?\]: No ko.

skinner [ 4d \]: not matter :-), He is in slump now
]
;B[pa]
;W[qb]C[rubbergo [5d\]: b is desperate because a woman is beating the crap out of him
nightbug [8k?\]: Poor black.
Queselk [12k\]: we play the way we do because of the japanese
sbcap [4d\]: resign
]
;B[rf]C[Zucca [ 5d \]: i take that as u lost
]
;W[sd]C[tromp [-\]: b has nothing
nightbug [8k?\]: ING rule, throw in.  :P
sbcap [4d\]: no resign???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: a childish cartoon is not enough source to learn GO, try to read more and check the Go websites
nightbug [8k?\]: Throw in is a ko threat.
Krazie243 [10k\]: shouldnt b have gone t19?
ImNoSensei [-\]: we can thank Go Seigen, the famous "japanese" player for that ;)
Ocean [4k\]: bye bye...
StevenMW [11k\]: yeah, like a wensite teaches anyone
Ocean [4k\]: thanks KGS
yithril [1k\]: no krazie
nightbug [8k?\]: Then we'll be screwed, because this demo using AGA, no throw ins.  :P
tasaboy [2d\]: maybe q19 instead of s19?
GreatWolf [-\]: why b is doin those strange moves xD
Cyclone001 [?\]: suicide allowed in aga?
nightbug [8k?\]: No.
Mef [-\]: no
StevenMW [11k\]: no

Zucca [ 5d \]: is he?
gatchaman [ 7k+\]: why didn't B create a bent 4?
Zucca [ 5d \]: feng yun is a top pro...along with Wie
yawho [ BC \]: what a game
]
;B[kj]C[Hermitage [ 2k \]: w+
]
;W[jl]
;B[ik]C[Cyclone001 [?\]: thanks
nightbug [8k?\]: ING allows it though.
]
;W[al]
;B[ih]
;W[hg]C[nightbug [8k?\]: So T19 is a ko threat.

Zucca [ 5d \]: as strong as strongest male world pro
]
;B[ck]
;W[af]
;B[ag]
;W[ae]C[Queselk [12k\]: he may not be japanese but the last time i checked he was a pro signed up with the NHK
StevenMW [11k\]: why? what is the point of suicide?
Mef [-\]: ohh right, this is ING rules
Mef [-\]: Steven it can change the life and death statu of some groups
sbcap [4d\]: What is B's point to finish this game???
Mef [-\]: and it can be a ko threat
StevenMW [11k\]: ah I see

Zepp [ 4k?\]: are women weaker at go that men?
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: bent 4 not really possible
]
;B[cp]C[sbcap [4d\]: RESIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shodannaru [?\]: why does this bother you so much
Pasukaru [2k\]: shut up sbcap
sbcap [4d\]: becuz I am sleepy!
StevenMW [11k\]: hes just provoking people
Shodannaru [?\]: so go to bed
MrShintou [-\]: let him play he is a lot better then you..
Librarian [5k?\]: how about c4 at a9?
]
;W[bo]C[Kamenoitte [-\]: It's called trolling.
Trevoke [13k\]: Because it's part of the culture of go, to resign when you have lost. It is polite and shows respect for the opponent.
Cyclone001 [?\]: then go to bed if you know that Yun wins for sure
]
;B[ak]C[yithril [1k\]: dont feed it
sbcap [4d\]: Well, I think it is a good manor for a pro player to resign now
]
;W[jb]C[ChinChuLin [7k?\]: just dont F e e d the trolls
tasaboy [2d\]: they are already so close to the end, why dont just finish it
Krazie243 [10k\]: wait, take away moves at (b - s14 and w - t16) replace with t19 and your white move of choice - results in bent four in corner
Shodannaru [?\]: well Jie Li isn't a pro
MrShintou [-\]: theres not many points left, they just want to finish.
yoyoma [1k\]: w+3.5 or so
freccia [20k\]: maybe try for time victory
tromp [-\]: one more resign remark and you're booted, sbcap

jst4fun [20k \]: white leads 7 pts
]
;B[sh]C[horacelamb [1k\]: B+33.5 actually
sensei212 [11k\]: no
]
;W[fo]C[StevenMW [11k\]: look, exact same captures. funny
Mef [-\]: If you are running a marathon, does not the person in 3rd finish even though he knows he's lost?

raf45 [22k?\]: is that before or after he claims b on bottom left?
]
;B[sf]C[Trevoke [13k\]: Horacelamb, the Score Estimator is not always right.
kinnerc [18k\]: Yea, B is winning this nicely.
]
;W[ib]
;B[ka]
;W[am]C[Librarian [5k?\]: phew
kinnerc [18k\]: Not that I would really know, of course!  :-)
]
;B[as]C[StevenMW [11k\]: naw
]
;W[aq]C[nickBlake [1k\]: SE does not understand AGA rules.
sbcap [4d\]: w wins by ~10?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: ? how is B winning, did you count?
Cyclone001 [?\]: SE is always right
Krazie243 [10k\]: he checked SE
StevenMW [11k\]: ?
Krazie243 [10k\]: lol
Kamenoitte [-\]: Kazie, go back and look at the bent four again.  With enough liberties it isn't ko if the corner captures the bent four.
StevenMW [11k\]: se?
softblues [-\]: Despite the rules in this demo being J, you're right, nickBlake.
kinnerc [18k\]: The computer counted...which I shouldn't probably trust.
nightbug [8k?\]: SE rules.  :)
rubbergo [5d\]: b+30.5
pe01 [7k\]: score guesstimator
TheOne [-\]: b+30.5
nightbug [8k?\]: I just hope we don't get another end game ko and B plays T19.
sbcap [4d\]: SE is totally a failure
PaperTiger [4k\]: The game isn't being relayed with AGA rules, so SE should be able to score it "good enough", assuming it knew the life and death status right
sensei212 [11k\]: but white capture big
Mef [-\]: t19 isn't a ko threat
yithril [1k\]: SE sucks
zzz [2k\]: w+8
Trevoke [13k\]: nightbug, b CANNOT play T19
Cyclone001 [?\]: see - theone agrees and he's a high dan - b+30.5
filiformis [1k?\]: lower left is seki now right?
Mef [-\]: Trev - ING rules, he can
nightbug [8k?\]: PaperTiger, SE scores bad, regardless of ruleset.
PaperTiger [4k\]: SE is ok at the end of the game, if it can figure out life and death
NAMT2006 [?\]: they have filled the dame already, but I want to get order correct so you will have to wait
Krazie243 [10k\]: when there is a bent four in the corner liberties dont matter as long as invader plays move beside corner and ko's for life
Trevoke [13k\]: Wow, this isn't AGA rules? Really? .. My apologies!
nightbug [8k?\]: Trevoke, I was about to tell you, but Mef said it.  :)
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: ING rules
Krazie243 [10k\]: winner of ko takes corner
Mef [-\]: KGS doesn't have ING ruleset
yithril [1k\]: liberties do matter
nightbug [8k?\]: If maladroit was here, he'd tell you I'm always right.  :D
Librarian [5k?\]: w+4 or something?
StevenMW [11k\]: so are they plaing ING?
Kamenoitte [-\]: Krazie, t18 t19 s19 t17 shortage of libs
Mef [-\]: (probably because no one would understand how to implement ko....)
Mef [-\]: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/Rules.php
pe01 [7k\]: w+res
tromp [-\]: ing is not programmable
nightbug [8k?\]: It is.
zzz [2k\]: i'd say w+8
Mef [-\]: There you have it, from the expert
baltimore [3k\]: its new zealand
nightbug [8k?\]: Everything is programmable.  :)
sbcap [4d\]: w + 10.5
shai [1d\]: W wins ...yes
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W is about 3-5 points win
Mef [-\]: Nightbug - you obviously haven't read ING ko rules d-
Mef [-\]: d=*
baltimore [3k\]: komi is 8
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: of course , nobody can say B is winner
nightbug [8k?\]: what about it, Mef?
StevenMW [11k\]: so if they are playing ING then the top right white group is dead then?
shai [1d\]: 5-6
Queselk [12k\]: w 10.5
baltimore [3k\]: not .5 anything
Queselk [12k\]: 181 to 169
Queselk [12k\]: 181.5
Cyclone001 [?\]: jigo would be nice
Queselk [12k\]: wait
TheOne [-\]: w+7 it seems
nightbug [8k?\]: Steven, no, it's alive.
Queselk [12k\]: nvam
nightbug [8k?\]: But B gets a ko threat.
baltimore [3k\]: in neither ruleset does the topright die
StevenMW [11k\]: thanks night
SunnyD [2d\]: no rule talk, it's like politic or religion
StevenMW [11k\]: haha
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: how can you kill a groups with 2 eyes?
Mef [-\]: ING wanted to have rules that would avoid all the problems superko avoids, but have none of the drawbacks of superko.....and well...wow
dougghost [3k\]: quesik have better answer
nightbug [8k?\]: SunnyD, go drink your OJ.  :P
sensei212 [11k\]: corner is seki?
Queselk [12k\]: 11.5
pe01 [7k\]: playing two stones at the same time
rubbergo [5d\]: the status of the rop right white group is uncertain based on the principle of uncertainty, the more kyus look at it the deader it becomes, the more dans look at it the move alive it becomes
StevenMW [11k\]: lol
Librarian [5k?\]: yes, sensei212^^
sensei212 [11k\]: as i though
Violence [?\]: Schroedinger's Seki.
PaperTiger [4k\]: Bent-4 in the corner is a good argument for playout rules
sensei212 [11k\]: then black can lost
horacelamb [1k\]: for sure ^^
nightbug [8k?\]: And suicide achieves that?
sensei212 [11k\]: for sure?
NAMT2006 [?\]: White wins by 8 points
Krazie243 [10k\]: well, top right is alive now for sure
Violence [?\]: Or rather, Schroedinger's corner.
TheOne [-\]: 8?
TheOne [-\]: or 7?
Mef [-\]: suicide doesn't achieve that.....but ING ko rules are crazy
baltimore [3k\]: hehe schroedinger's corner
Mef [-\]: some might say, disturbing...
StevenMW [11k\]: all ko rules are crazy
cherrysaur [-\]: doesnt matter w+ 
rubbergo [5d\]: lol
rubbergo [5d\]: what's ING?
Violence [?\]: No one read it.
sensei212 [11k\]: ko rules crazy??what u mean that???
horacelamb [1k\]: well that's game 1/3
nightbug [8k?\]: ING is a guy.
Violence [?\]: You'll change the result by reading it out.
SunnyD [2d\]: what did they eat for dinner?
Librarian [5k?\]: are the players saying anything?
baltimore [3k\]: ing was aguy
pe01 [7k\]: in a pro perspective, 5d is as cr@p as 7k
nightbug [8k?\]: Who makes crazy rules.  :P
Torinouta [1d\]: Jon, anyone is free to come @ the go center tomorrow at 9:00 am?
NAMT2006 [?\]: yes but I do not speak chinese
Mef [-\]: Ing is a man who gave alot of money to have tournaments....and also tried to make a good standard ruleset
nightbug [8k?\]: ok .. WAS if you consider he no longer has 2 eyes.
rubbergo [5d\]: when did ING live?
PaperTiger [4k\]: Are there official recorders for the game?  Will this be on a website somewhere?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: ihes not dead
baltimore [3k\]: it'll be on the namt page
StevenMW [11k\]: ing is a rich taiwanese corporate exec who was obsessed enough to make his own rules and equipment, and rich enough to make others use them
freccia [20k\]: last century
baltimore [3k\]: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/Schedule.php
baltimore [3k\]: along with all the other games from this tournament
Librarian [5k?\]: didnt ing put up the 1,000,000 $ challenge for 1d-computer program once? (which expired nonetheless already)
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: read the ING foundation website 
pe01 [7k\]: pora
pe01 [7k\]: pora pora pora!
Mef [-\]: Yes, he did
yoyoma [1k\]: What's the hold up, did NAMT lose track of the dame filling?
PaperTiger [4k\]: Thanks baltimore
invention [14k\]: wait, so how strong are the strongest computers then
Librarian [5k?\]: he should renew it
Cyclone001 [?\]: it expired?  I thought it was still valid?
StevenMW [11k\]: always changing
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: we need a better transcriber for next game
Trevoke [13k\]: Strongest computers are .. 8k AGA or so, I think?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: too many mistakes
Chrille [12k\]: is the game over?
baltimore [3k\]: it was for his lifetime
baltimore [3k\]: and he died
Librarian [5k?\]: aga? maybe 6k then?
pasky [13k\]: NAMT: what is the byo status?
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: game is over, W won +8
Chrille [12k\]: okey, thanks
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: NAMT is busy transcribing the end game
StevenMW [11k\]: right chin
dougghost [3k\]: chin shut up
pe01 [7k\]: W won US$ 3000?
Chrille [12k\]: not yet
baltimore [3k\]: its best out of three
invention [14k\]: $$$$
Mef [-\]: no, it's a best of 3
baltimore [3k\]: next game is tomorrow
ubergeek [7k\]: what time?
Trevoke [13k\]: So B resign?
baltimore [3k\]: 9am pst
Cyclone001 [?\]: oh wow - SE managed to kill the top right - I't on a roll
pe01 [7k\]: ok Mef
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: doughghost, arf arf
PaperTiger [4k\]: Everybody thought black was winning early in this game
nightbug [8k?\]: CCL making nonsense again?
Librarian [5k?\]: excellent, more occasion for kibitz
baltimore [3k\]: so noon, over here
nightbug [8k?\]: Let me see what he has to say.  :D
pe01 [7k\]: kbtz
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: lol @ nightbug
sensei212 [11k\]: black win 25.5?!
Mef [-\]: yes pe01?
ubergeek [7k\]: yay for EST!
StevenMW [11k\]: haha
nightbug [8k?\]: He thinks Ing is alive?
nightbug [8k?\]: Geez.  :)
baltimore [3k\]: right after my solids final, i can watch the game
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: isnt him alive?
pe01 [7k\]: ok on the "best of 3"
StevenMW [11k\]: I dont think so
Mef [-\]: as fasr as I know Ing died
NAMT2006 [?\]: Thanks everyone see you tomorrow at 9:00 AM PST
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: when did ING died?
nightbug [8k?\]: Should I uncensor him?
rubbergo [5d\]: are top PRO women better than the top PRO men?
sensei212 [11k\]: this game is not like a pro game...why huh?
Cyclone001 [?\]: so official result is?
dougghost [3k\]: chin you should glad we can see this game here 
nightbug [8k?\]: I still see his kibitz in offline.  :P
NAMT2006 [?\]: white wins by 8 points
StevenMW [11k\]: White won
SunnyD [2d\]: jj
Cyclone001 [?\]: thanks
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: W + 8
pasky [13k\]: thanks
Mef [-\]: Rubber - There is at least one top pro woman who can beat many top pro men....but I would say on average men win
sweety [-\]: thank you NAMT!
rubbergo [5d\]: 8? not 8.5?
Solid30k [5k\]: i said w+komi haha
NannyOgg [-\]: Thank you, NAMT
StevenMW [11k\]: FENG YUN ROCKS THE CASBAH
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: thanks NAMT1006
baltimore [3k\]: iing komi is 8
pe01 [7k\]: go to sleep people!
baltimore [3k\]: like i said before
nightbug [8k?\]: Jei will make a come back in game 2 and 3.  :)
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: dont repeat yourself, pls
nightbug [8k?\]: Jie.
chayashida [1k\]: what happened in the upper right? doesn't someone need to resolve it?
Mef [-\]: in dame filling
chayashida [1k\]: oops, misread
yoyoma [1k\]: jigo on board  :)
chayashida [1k\]: :)
pe01 [7k\]: KGS should invent a kibitz crown
nightbug [8k?\]: chayashida, white lives.
sensei212 [11k\]: jigo?!!!
Krazie243 [10k\]: its alive
tanana: Jon - KGS is not showing final result
pe01 [7k\]: bye
sensei212 [11k\]: nonsense for thinkng as jigo
dougghost [3k\]: chin try to appreciate and shut up
ChinChuLin [7k?\]: maybe a kibitz tournament?
nightbug [8k?\]: sensei, jigo doesn't describe group life/death.
chayashida [1k\]: i was thinking ko if B approaches
nightbug [8k?\]: b T15, w T19
baltimore [3k\]: b approaches, and w plays t19?
baltimore [3k\]: making two eyes
Cyclone001 [?\]: if b approached wt19
sensei212 [11k\]: ok
chayashida [1k\]: right, just got back. excuse my 20-

skinner [ 4d \]: Last year nomad set the stage for Jie, make him NAMT champ
Zucca [ 5d \]: nomad 6d?
skinner [ 4d \]: yes, nomad beat Feng
kibarosman [ 7k \]: he's 7d, i think
rbarnuska [ 2d \]: w wins right?
Zucca [ 5d \]: wow.... i did not know igs 6d can beat 9p :)
jst4fun [20k \]: white leads 9-10 pts
kibarosman [ 7k \]: jie is igs 6d as well
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: they are counting, I don't have the order for last several moves will try to get them before they leave
Zucca [ 5d \]: ji is only 6d here?  i dont believe that
davew [ 4d \]: just tell us the score :)
malf [ 4k \]: :)
Zucca [ 5d \]: is there a pro commentary?
skinner [ 4d \]: Jei just like to stay at 6d, doesnt mean he is 6d here :-)
kibarosman [ 7k \]: in his earlier NAMT games, he was listed as 6d?, so maybe just his choice
yawho [ BC \]: just like NR
LemoNT [15k \]: sandbagging at 6d perhaps :)
skinner [ 4d \]: He can beat Cornel's butt any time
skinner [ 4d \]: sorry, should use bite
yawho [ BC \]: how do know? skinner
Zucca [ 5d \]: cornel is a gentleman
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: White wins by 8 points
kibarosman [ 7k \]: good night everyone
davew [ 4d \]: thanks all
LemoNT [15k \]: g'nite gents
lml [13k+\]: ty too
lml [13k+\]: nite
malf [ 4k \]: Cornel beat Jie Li at the 2006 US Congress
yawho [ BC \]: took a lesson from Connel before
jst4fun [20k \]: if komi is 6.5, white wins 9.5 pts
Zucca [ 5d \]: yeah.... skinners comment wasnt nice
skinner [ 4d \]: Durrr!
Zucca [ 5d \]: almost taking sides... i dont like those comments
yawho [ BC \]: Cornel is a fast climber, was 6d, then 7d, then 8
Garf [ 2k+\]: and why yes? :)
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: thanks everyone. see you tomorrow at 9:00 AM PST!
LemoNT [15k \]: thank you scribe
yawho [ BC \]: bye, romi
Standfast [15k?\]: who won?
tmaster1 [ 9p \]: white won by 8 points
Standfast [15k?\]: thank you
Roos [ 4k \]: m
The game has been adjourned.

last recorded move
W+8
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