(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[ING]SZ[19]KM[8]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian]
PW[Jie Li 9d]PB[Feng Yun 9p]WR[9d]BR[9p]DT[2006-12-19]EV[2006 North American Masters]RO[2]PC[Seattle Go Center]SO[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+7.00]
;B[pd]C[ubergeek [7k\]: This ought to be good...
YogSothoth [2k\]: Where is Jie Li 9d?
Ranix [8k\]: hope I can catch the whole thing
Ranix [8k\]: gonna miss the first half hour though
Ranix [8k\]: I better get lunch quick
idazuwaika [2d\]: many admins are here
Queselk [12k\]: is this the title match?
DrOlczyk [6k\]: NAMT2006 can you describe the ceremonies?
stupidplr [2k\]: oneday, i  lost to 10k since then my id stupidplr
Queselk [12k\]: yea
]
;W[dd]C[Drimgere [2k\]: now......let's see if white plays like tartrate ^^
idazuwaika [2d\]: Jie Li 9 "d" ?? he's not pro?
DrOlczyk [6k\]: What is the score?
Drimgere [2k\]: *conversation....go!*
Ordiac [4k\]: b+ 0.5
Ranix [8k\]: not all pros want a p rank from admins
idazuwaika [2d\]: So Jie Li is pro in real life?
Ordiac [4k\]: q4
flush [4d\]: what is namt?
chillout [5k\]: no contact play
]
;B[qp]C[Trevoke [13k\]: Jie Li is 9 dan amateur. 
Spacemen3 [4d\]: Jie Li is not pro, but the AGA amateur ranks go to 9d
Trevoke [13k\]: North American Masters Tournament
DrOlczyk [6k\]: I mean what is the match score.
flush [4d\]: right thanks
Spacemen3 [4d\]: would be 7d in europe ...
]
;W[dp]C[Muttley [2k\]: cool
Ordiac [4k\]: is this common moves ?
blankflash [4k\]: ?
bouboubou [1k\]: ?
]
;B[fq]C[sensei212 [11k\]: wow
idazuwaika [2d\]: hmm amateur vs 9p .. not obvious final result?
agod2: is there a site where you can read more about this tournament?
denis2 [4k\]: who is black?
SoulShard [-\]: Yey, mini chinese?
klabauter [4k\]: where do they play right now
Shinichi56 [5k\]: little chines
Muttley [2k\]: komi is 6.5 presumably?
fire1 [6k\]: ovvv
fire1 [6k\]: what a game
Spacemen3 [4d\]: h3 o3 c6 is common continuation
Ordiac [4k\]: b is toasted , imho
RickS [5k\]: komi 7.5
Muttley [2k\]: thanks
xedover [?\]: Ing rules - komi is 8
Ranix [8k\]: b is 9p
EmTom [3k\]: idazuwaika he beat many pros on his way to the final ;)
msafir: who is white
YogSothoth [2k\]: according to gobase Jie Li was 4p on 2001 (if it's the same person)
Muttley [2k\]: any advance on 8 ....
Trevoke [13k\]: There are 3 different Jie Li
Ordiac [4k\]: any w move good here ?
Wolferl [4k\]: ôO
idigo [1d\]: and therefore you could say it's equally unfair no matter which way
]
;W[hq]C[shindou01 [11k\]: i would like to say calm down
shindou01 [11k\]: lol
idazuwaika [2d\]: mini chinese not materialised
bouboubou [1k\]: p3  ☻
stupidplr [2k\]: hm,hm,hm
VincentV [2k?\]: woah, so cool. Like touya koyo vs. SAI in Hikaru no Go ;)
Shinichi56 [5k\]: f5
SoulShard [-\]: H3? Meh, I'd go for J4 :P
Ordiac [4k\]: c3 or f5 ?
pandaah [4k\]: p3
reborn [1k\]: Feng Yun is one of 2 female 9-dan professionals (if i remember correctly)
Blake [6k?\]: Sai would be more like Tartrate I would think
reborn [1k\]: in the world
Unity [1d\]: o3 \\o/
Muttley [2k\]: imho black will C3
Ordiac [4k\]: f5 d6 j4 ?
shindou01 [11k\]: sai and touya koyo is like 9p vs 9p
idazuwaika [2d\]: isnt redmond american too?? he didnt qualify?
shindou01 [11k\]: not 9d vs 9p
dragoncity [1k\]: hmmm - nothin happens
raioko [11k\]: what 9pro foud here??
SoulShard [-\]: Nah, b will o3
bouboubou [1k\]: lol

AiA [ 2d \]: who won the first match?
NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: Feng Yun won yesterdays game by 8 points
]
;B[oq]C[sensei212 [11k\]: are?
Hosevoll: ahhhhhhhhhhhh?
idazuwaika [2d\]: anyone knows whats jie li main strength??
]
;W[cn]C[AiA [ 2d \]: thx
]
;B[pj]C[pandaah [4k\]: p3:)
raioko [11k\]: ????
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe :)
yithril [1k\]: redmond is busy in japan
]
;W[kq]C[Ordiac [4k\]: hmmm
]
;B[fc]C[Hikaruwaya [5k\]: what about that speed?
DrOlczyk [6k\]: Did Yilun Yang play this year?
EmTom [3k\]: how much time do they have?
pandaah [4k\]: play fast xD
stupidplr [2k\]: my formal ID was sai-tartrate
Spacemen3 [4d\]: up to here, this is a common pattern in recent pro games
Seeguu [6k\]: but you became stupidplr
dragoncity [1k\]: k16
Ordiac [4k\]: lol soul maybe o3 was better than p3 ?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: who's b today?
malf [ 4k \]: Feng Yun
]
;W[df]C[yoof [2k\]: Redmond qualified for Primary tournament of Tengen, so maybe too busy for NAMT yeah :-)
]
;B[jd]C[EmTom [3k\]: how much time do they have???
yithril [1k\]: p3 is definitely the move
Seeguu [6k\]: 60 min
Seeguu [6k\]: each
yithril [1k\]: cool opening
EmTom [3k\]: thanks
idazuwaika [2d\]: quick development both sides
Ordiac [4k\]: w way bigger
DrOlczyk [6k\]: B seems to be getting the better of it.
EmTom [3k\]: wth?
VincentV [2k?\]: yeah, moyo game :D
Seeguu [6k\]: review for just entered ^^
mstarsup5 [1d\]: P3 reminds me of a game from lee chang ho that has been played recently
eS0rven [6k\]: P3 not common ?
yithril [1k\]: extremely common
blubb [1k\]: what does NAMT stand for?
SoulShard [-\]: Hmm..
Ordiac [4k\]: but top right is w corner , so how can it be moyo game ?
yithril [1k\]: north american masters tournament
mstarsup5 [1d\]: donno, just the first time i saw it was then :)
blubb [1k\]: ic, thx
hiina [7k\]: the next move maybe .. lol
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: wow its 9 pro?
SoulShard [-\]: W's going to invade somewhere.
Ordiac [4k\]: id h15
raioko [11k\]: yeah
idazuwaika [2d\]: invade and start fighting
Ordiac [4k\]: h15 or r17
dragoncity [1k\]: w  c 11  or r17
raioko [11k\]: amazing 9pro here
Blake [6k?\]: I played this opening once
SoulShard [-\]: r14 
nmxx [15k\]: or san san r17?
FuriKuri [1d\]: r 14 would be most common..
Blake [6k?\]: how the heck can two strong players play the same opening as me?
endise [1d\]: is this one game final?
yoof [2k\]: maybe d10 is the next big move. I would be eager to approach the upper right, myself.
Spacemen3 [4d\]: R17 is a good idea
Uvas [-\]: ahhhhh

kibarosman [ 7k \]: so yesterday's game boiled down to that seki...
kibarosman [ 7k \]: because it was worth 8 points for feng yun, right?
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;W[di]C[idazuwaika [2d\]: r17 looks too straight forwared
Ordiac [4k\]: h15 , r17 or g5
Sunshine [5k\]: is this game already played?
FuriKuri [1d\]: r 17 is not so goof...
Higanbana [?\]: american masters? i see 2 asian players...
SoulShard [-\]: D11 oO
Ordiac [4k\]: aargh d1 :( i sux
marfack [-\]: NAMT info: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/index.php
yithril [1k\]: higanbana we import our go players
Ordiac [4k\]: *d11
nmxx [15k\]: im happy to see that a noob can have good ideas :p
idazuwaika [2d\]: r17 i what books for beginners suggest
reborn [1k\]: r17 would be too early atm
alfred [16k\]: STOP FLOOD PLZ
Blake [6k?\]: higanbana, you can be both asian and american
yithril [1k\]: yeah this is solid
yithril [1k\]: close the door
mstarsup5 [1d\]: R17 not bad
SoulShard [-\]: D11 seems strange, doesn't it give the feeling that black is moving faster?
nmxx [15k\]: if black makes it small there will be weaknesses no?
reborn [1k\]: one must reduce the influence of the "wall" that would be created after invading at r17 before carrying out the invasion
Spacemen3 [4d\]: no, R17 not too early, but it is a bit too 'simple' for strong players
Ordiac [4k\]: well i think guo sayd 4-4 double high wing not good
rabarbar [1k\]: huh ?

NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: you are assuming that Jie Li's play before the seki was worth 0 points in that form of analysis
kibarosman [ 7k \]: :) what's wrong with that assumption?
]
;B[pf]C[Y0yo [3k\]: tengen is big to both now
yithril [1k\]: if the two wings are low ordiac
Ordiac [4k\]: now b can secure top right indeed
den1s [-\]: מה זה
idazuwaika [2d\]: r17 would make the game boring clearly
VincentV [2k?\]: oh, kgs is faster than igs
den1s [-\]: למה
yithril [1k\]: now where
FuriKuri [1d\]: i cant imagine a pro playing r 17 in this situation, they say its too easyminded and afterwards b center would be difficult to reduce
blubb [1k\]: this ought to be a bit similar as roln111 vs willzhang - not too much of a chance for the amateur, but very high level game nevertheless
unknowmplr [7k?\]: tengen
dywan [3k\]: yes
SoulShard [-\]: Hmm.
Ordiac [4k\]: n17
Spacemen3 [4d\]: so, FuriKuri - how do you reduce now?
yithril [1k\]: m17?
Ordiac [4k\]: or p5
yithril [1k\]: r8?
idazuwaika [2d\]: tengen too simple for these players too?
yithril [1k\]: i don't know
Ordiac [4k\]: p5 is funy ?
sensei212 [11k\]: q7
kenrui [?\]: b r17 is territory move, contradicts b's moyo strategy
SoulShard [-\]: W will go for contact play inside b's moyo, I'm sure.
Cornel [7d\]: q17
drunknweak [4k\]: blubb, jie li won a lot from pro's :))
FuriKuri [1d\]: iam thinking about q 18
stupidplr [2k\]: L16
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: white won't play tengen
endise [1d\]: peaceful
Cloudi [3k\]: what final is this?
fire1 [6k\]: r6
SoulShard [-\]: Bottom seems most urgent?
horacelamb [1k\]: NAMT final
answer: what is a tengen?

NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: Then one would say Jie Li lost because he made a zero point move
NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: not because a Seki was worth 8 points
]
;W[ji]C[blubb [1k\]: I see
fire1 [6k\]: oo
Y0yo [3k\]: nice
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: see? not tengen  :)
horacelamb [1k\]: pretty close
fire1 [6k\]: tengen
SoulShard [-\]: K11 ^^, haha.
shindou01 [11k\]: ear reading move lol
teamsoco [12k\]: ear-reddening
yithril [1k\]: why one above?
Cloudi [3k\]: what tournament is this?
blubb [1k\]: misclick? :P
yithril [1k\]: affects top?
kenrui [?\]: jie Li beat Feng Yun in last tournament final
blankflash [4k\]: works with d11
akoetou [20k\]: misscklick.... LOL
horacelamb [1k\]: once again it's the NAMT
yoof [2k\]: tengen is the hoshi, star point, in the center. Whit's move k11 is close to tengen, that was right idea.
SoulShard [-\]: Now black will do something on the bottom to reduce.
horacelamb [1k\]: North American Masters Tournament
VincentV [2k?\]: lol, seems like they have problems with the IGS-Broadcast XD
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: missklick not possible ako  ^^
Cloudi [3k\]: ok
Ordiac [4k\]: b can use c8 aji ?
Seeguu [6k\]: w+3,5
MysticoN [1d\]: d3  maybe ?
answer: thx for the answere yoof
Empiror [6d\]: what's the prix of this tounament?
klabauter [4k\]: @anwer: k10 is called tengen
Sponge7 [8k\]: haha Seeguu
Ordiac [4k\]: or ust g11
Xeo [3k\]: 6k = 6000pro? :)
shindou01 [11k\]: now black resigns lol
Sunshine [5k\]: sorry but i didnt saw a answer..but is this live?
akoetou [20k\]: yes, i just kidding... =)
idazuwaika [2d\]: c8 aji ? is that the right word?
answer: why is it so important
unknowmplr [7k?\]: d3
yoof [2k\]: I think this is live, yes
dywan [3k\]: f5
Y0yo [3k\]: is d18 good?
ubergeek [7k\]: tengen has lots of influence
answer: how come
Ordiac [4k\]: well isnt c8 some aji ??
Sunshine [5k\]: ok thank you yoof
ericthblue [12k\]: this is live, yes
Xeo [3k\]: w will hunt f3 against tengen :)
yithril [1k\]: just wondering how it helps w, clearly expands moyo and possibly assists invasions into black's sphere
Ninjinka [1d\]: f5 now?
keselman [15k\]: N2?
FuriKuri [1d\]: f 3 will probably not run ^^
yithril [1k\]: over my head
eS0rven [6k\]: uh, so many people speking, will cornel comment a bit ?
yoof [2k\]: c8 and c9 look like room to work with, to me; dunno what B will play first though.
kvzrock [1d\]: this is the fengyun jie li game right
yithril [1k\]: yeah
Y0yo [3k\]: i feel b will expand the toop
yithril [1k\]: she played really well yesterday
Y0yo [3k\]: f15
idazuwaika [2d\]: yeah cornel.. what do u think?
Ordiac [4k\]: h4 !
lagrange [5k\]: pls take this easy
endise [1d\]: c17 maybe?
Queselk [12k\]: what was the score from last night's game
Ordiac [4k\]: i had a drwam
Cornel [7d\]: well
MysticoN [1d\]: top isnt interesting right now 
Ordiac [4k\]: h4 aabsolutely
Cornel [7d\]: is a matter of style maybe :)
akoetou [20k\]: g14...??
Cornel [7d\]: d3 is big for b
keselman [15k\]: F5?
Cornel [7d\]: p17
Cornel [7d\]: g11
Empiror [6d\]: b is 9p?
Cornel [7d\]: yeah man:)
yoof [2k\]: If White had played d10, instead of d11, then d12 and d8 would both be aji for B. Since he played the natural extension from above, he left room below only; but more room there.
pendulum [17k\]: can someone throw that NAMT info link again plz? 
kvzrock [1d\]: female
kvzrock [1d\]: 9p
endise [1d\]: is there differnece?
Empiror [6d\]: K11 was a strange move...
kvzrock [1d\]: the world has only two of them
Queselk [12k\]: first female 9p right?
idigo [1d\]: google is your friend, pend
NAMT2006 [?\]: www.seattlegocenter.org/namt/
XScorpioX [3k\]: h11
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: black could first save f3
shindou01 [11k\]: mind showing the next move NAMT2006

edlee [ 5k \]: How's the weather in Seattle? You can see the Seattle Go Center from Google Eart/ MS Live Maps. :)
kibarosman [ 7k \]: or does b lock up that corner?
edlee [ 5k \]: *Earth*
ennuistic [ 4k \]: w16 seems inappropriate.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: black needs to address corner issue bottom left?
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;B[dq]C[pendulum [17k\]: thnx
Queselk [12k\]: what was the score if anyone saw the end
Tsuki [2k\]: who won last night?
]
;W[cq]
;B[cr]C[yuzuke [14k\]: combien de temps entre chaque coup
MysticoN [1d\]: yay d3 :)
Empiror [6d\]: rui 9p was first female 9p, feng 9p was the 2nd
yoof [2k\]: you called it Cornel!
jantiff [-\]: good game
Queselk [12k\]: oh
Cornel [7d\]: ha
Empiror [6d\]: B+r
idazuwaika [2d\]: where is rui now?

deanr [ 1d+\]: w 16 speaks to large scale and forces the moves on the bottom left
ennuistic [ 4k \]: white cut give up corner?
]
;W[eq]
;B[dr]C[Cornel [7d\]: d2
Ordiac [4k\]: that quick revieuw
]
;W[ep]C[Ordiac [4k\]: too easy for b , w is too thin on left side , imho
yithril [1k\]: korea
Cornel [7d\]: c4
Empiror [6d\]: rui is in korea
kvzrock [1d\]: jie li is super strong
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I noticed strong players really don't like to follow the other player around, like playing Q17 as a response to Q14 or playing G11 as a response to K11
Cornel [7d\]: is joseki
shindou01 [11k\]: 4 c

deanr [ 1d+\]: w gives the corner, but gets a lot of outside influence that works directly with w16
]
;B[er]C[horacelamb [1k\]: Jie Li already beat one 7P in this tournament
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: C4
shindou01 [11k\]: -.-
Cornel [7d\]: e2 probably cause w has k11
JeansebL [4k\]: f4
Sunshine [5k\]: is Feng Yun a woman?
horacelamb [1k\]: yeah
kvzrock [1d\]: yeah
nbnf05 [3k\]: is it a live game ?
eS0rven [6k\]: pfff
]
;W[fp]C[JeansebL [4k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: i wish I could use the back arrow on this game  :(
Higanbana [?\]: this is a picture of feng yun: http://personal.stevens.edu/~lruss/FengYu1.jpg
]
;B[cp]C[hikaroSh50 [8k\]: G3
]
;W[bq]
;B[bp]C[tenttacule [6k\]: ^^
]
;W[br]C[Sunshine [5k\]: oleeeeeeeee i like that
Spacemen3 [4d\]: you can Options->View Offline, Uvas
Wolferl [4k\]: doh, i want a chocolate-pie
Ordiac [4k\]: tenuki
horacelamb [1k\]: yes this game is live too
Uvas [-\]: thanks
tasuki [-\]: Uvas: use view offline
Ordiac [4k\]: g3
klabauter [4k\]: wolferl I got one
kvzrock [1d\]: so b gets corner

ennuistic [ 4k \]: b1 i think.
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;B[bs]C[blubb [1k\]: 1h each ist quite short for a masters final, isn't it
idazuwaika [2d\]: white big moyp
Ordiac [4k\]: its move 30 both still have 60 mins ?
idazuwaika [2d\]: moyo
shindou01 [11k\]: f 2
unknowmplr [7k?\]: a2
blubb [1k\]: time doesn't advance here, Ordiac
Cornel [7d\]: why f2 ?
endise [1d\]: isnt sente too good for w?
Queselk [12k\]: this game is being relayed
hiina [7k\]: a2 tesuji work ?
Cornel [7d\]: gote 
Cornel [7d\]: too small
Cornel [7d\]: a2 is nothing
MysticoN [1d\]: f2 is just yose imo
Cornel [7d\]: b will a4
kvzrock [1d\]: top probably
kimball [2d\]: invade top now?
Cornel [7d\]: c5
Cornel [7d\]: or b5

ennuistic [ 4k \]: black can't afford to save in gote.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: why w b2? to play g3 in sente?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: wg3 isn't sente.
]
;W[co]C[Ordiac [4k\]: e18 couod be big ?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: wg4, black still has to b1
]
;B[ar]C[robbie10k [2k\]: Jie Li is 9p too?
Cornel [7d\]: then b  a2
Uvas [-\]: nice
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^
Cornel [7d\]: and now
kvzrock [1d\]: wait
Cornel [7d\]: w sente 
Cornel [7d\]: q17
kvzrock [1d\]: we have to call the right move?
Seeguu [6k\]: he reads minds almost as well as game
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^
SoulShard [-\]: W got pretty strong..
chillout [5k\]: r17?
Ordiac [4k\]: yes
loupida [-\]: L7?
Empiror [6d\]: hard to process for w
SNam [3k\]: nice prize money in this match
ubergeek [7k\]: ??
]
;W[pc]C[paul291 [7k\]: can this game be seen anywhere else?
idazuwaika [2d\]: process?
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: wow cornel
Cornel [7d\]: :)
Ordiac [4k\]: whoever guesses most mover right wins
unknowmplr [7k?\]: cornel, don't tell them, what to play
JeansebL [4k\]: cornel's move ^^
]
;B[qc]C[blubb [1k\]: :)
SoulShard [-\]: Nice, Cornel!
Empiror [6d\]: b+r
fire1 [6k\]: :)
Cornel [7d\]: heh
eS0rven [6k\]: they play it fast
paul291 [7k\]: i mean if i leve now can i c it later?
Empiror [6d\]: easy game for b
blubb [1k\]: R18
Cornel [7d\]: p17
peet [-\]: lol Cornel can you finish the game for us instead? xD
keselman [15k\]: P17
shindou01 [11k\]: cornel learned much by playing wangyang 5p
SoulShard [-\]: p16 
shindou01 [11k\]: i guess
MysticoN [1d\]: p17
teamsoco [12k\]: you can always check user acount of namt2006
Ordiac [4k\]: yes p17
Fantastico [4k\]: t1
teamsoco [12k\]: and replay the game
kvzrock [1d\]: haha
paul291 [7k\]: ok thanks
Cornel [7d\]: wang yang just lost vs chang hao 
Spacemen3 [4d\]: W is going to get a cramped group after P17
pernod [7k\]: p17
Cornel [7d\]: he is strong
blubb [1k\]: hm, cornel suggests, P17, so let's see
yoof [2k\]: Cornel, why B r17 instead of p17?
horacelamb [1k\]: he might want to try something else if he hasn't played p17 yet

ennuistic [ 4k \]: is this current?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: and who is playing?
shinsei [ 4k \]: feng yun black
shinsei [ 4k \]: 9p
kibarosman [ 7k \]: jie li white
shinsei [ 4k \]: and jie li (winner of the NAMT)
]
;W[oc]C[idazuwaika [2d\]: of course.. who can beat chang hao
SoulShard [-\]: p16 seems flexable, right?
]
;B[qb]C[Hosevoll: i learnd most while drinking gin shindou ^^
SoulShard [-\]: Or he'll play p17 like Cornel said ^^
Tsuki [2k\]: next move cornel? =)
Ordiac [4k\]: p16
kvzrock [1d\]: m17?
Tsuki [2k\]: m17?
yithril [1k\]: n16?
pernod [7k\]: m17
hikasai [15k\]: salu tou le monde
idazuwaika [2d\]: i feel black winning... telling from their spirit 
kimball [2d\]: cramed group cannot be helped there
Ordiac [4k\]: nah w ahead
SoulShard [-\]: Isn't p16 always next after this sequence?
ubergeek [7k\]: ¿

ennuistic [ 4k \]: strong.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: who won their match during the regular NAMT league?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: feng yun
]
;W[lc]C[Empiror [6d\]: who is jie li? jet li's brother?
blubb [1k\]: can b fix the h17 weakness by attacking P17?
SoulShard [-\]: Apparantly not..
Queselk [12k\]: aiming at h17?
Cornel [7d\]: so far is normal
kvzrock [1d\]: student at USC
Tsuki [2k\]: how do u tell whos ahead atm?
svgo [6k\]: se?
MysticoN [1d\]: seems pretty even
Uvas [-\]: lol
Ordiac [4k\]: use SE and guess
SoulShard [-\]: I think it's too early to tell?
Seeguu [6k\]: i hope they'll give us good fight
Spacemen3 [4d\]: it should be even, since nobody made a mistake
MysticoN [1d\]: yup
Empiror [6d\]: easy for b
hikasai [15k\]: lu loupida
shindou01 [11k\]: JeffChang some comments please
keselman [15k\]: L17
Ordiac [4k\]: b made big mistake
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^
Empiror [6d\]: harder for w to balance
SoulShard [-\]: Hi Jeff!
Ordiac [4k\]: to get locked in bottom left
Empiror [6d\]: 4k? that's not mis
shindou01 [11k\]: Jeff what do you think about this move
shindou01 [11k\]: ???
Hosevoll: ordiac what a weak 9p
kvzrock [1d\]: b has to strengthen the top two stones
Lacrimosa [1d?\]: JeffChang is an observer just like us :)
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I have to admit it looks a little easier for B
pernod [7k\]: d18 ?
Lacrimosa [1d?\]: he doesn't have to do charity here
yithril [1k\]: k/l 18?
answer: what does 9d, 9k, and 9p stands for??
DrOlczyk [6k\]: B has more cash.

ennuistic [ 4k \]: she has 6-1 record.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: who did she lose to?
xedover: mingjiu jiang
ennuistic [ 4k \]: Jiang, Ming Jiu
ennuistic [ 4k \]: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/Schedule.php
]
;B[kc]C[Hosevoll: 9p is god
Spacemen3 [4d\]: not obvious that K11 is efficient
Ordiac [4k\]: sure i sux , but i think i like w game her
Tsuki [2k\]: 9k, is the pro
akoetou [20k\]: hmm???
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: 9p is best
unknowmplr [7k?\]: 9k=bad, 9d=good, 9p=god
kvzrock [1d\]: m16
Ordiac [4k\]: its like 1 vs 5 groupd
Cornel [7d\]: I feel like playing some
Queselk [12k\]: something like w+8?
]
;W[ld]
;B[jf]C[Cornel [7d\]: enjoy watching this :)
Xeo [3k\]: I know the German explanations of k, d and p :)
Cornel [7d\]: Empiror a game?
kvzrock [1d\]: l18
Seeguu [6k\]: yea we will
Empiror [6d\]: B+r, game over
Sponge7 [8k\]: "9k=bad" ---> ;(
Xeo [3k\]: "Kaefuer", "Dealer" and "Plantagenbesitzer" :)
Cornel [7d\]: p16?
shindou01 [11k\]: lol
Empiror [6d\]: watch watch for now
hikasai [15k\]: kelkun parle francai
Drimgere [2k\]: already projecting a winner?
Drimgere [2k\]: :P
Cornel [7d\]: heh
akoetou [20k\]: m14
nmxx [15k\]: oui
MysticoN [1d\]: b will reduce center while attacking w group ?
Seeguu [6k\]: 9k bad indeed sponge
Empiror [6d\]: b leads with ease ..
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: black is leading
eS0rven [6k\]: empiror  god of kibitz
horacelamb [1k\]: you think black is leading already?
]
;W[od]
;B[oe]C[Higanbana [?\]: as expected from pro
yithril [1k\]: yeah
yithril [1k\]: i can see that
MysticoN [1d\]: no mistakes yet
Empiror [6d\]: unless w is super strong, the moyo is beyong control of w's
unknowmplr [7k?\]: check SE, white is leading
Spacemen3 [4d\]: at least W has no chance of entering the right side while this group is weak
kvzrock [1d\]: r16?
Xeo [3k\]: b is the pro?
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: k11 was maybe a mistake
answer: moyo? whats that
horacelamb [1k\]: white is super strong
Hosevoll: q17 bad move? why you suggested it cornel?
Ordiac [4k\]: ok empi id agree on that
pernod [7k\]: who is playing ?
keselman [15k\]: L15
Empiror [6d\]: trust SE, stay at 7k ...
Lacrimosa [1d?\]: Feng Yun is the best player in AGA, right?
Kurotsu [3k\]: he must play out
hikasai [15k\]: salu mot
horacelamb [1k\]: that's right
horacelamb [1k\]: 10 dan AGA
JeansebL [4k\]: white has beaten many pros (even 7p...)
DrOlczyk [6k\]: b is ahead in cash I don't see enough W thickness to make up for that. I'm not even sure that W is thicker.
Ordiac [4k\]: but how many moves w need to collect centre ?
svgo [6k\]: i expect the first resign comments soon--maybe by move 60?
keselman [15k\]: L18?
mafutrct [14k\]: please http://senseis.xmp.net/?GetStrongAtKibitz
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: O16
horacelamb [1k\]: white has beaten Feng Yun's husband, a 9P
yithril [1k\]: well w has to spend his time caring for the top group
Empiror [6d\]: i said B +r around move 20?
yithril [1k\]: b leads easily because of that
Cornel [7d\]: feng has a 9p hus too ?
Sponge7 [8k\]: Get Strong at Gote - must read ^^
sensei212 [11k\]: didnt white enrol the pro exam??
JangNaRa [2d\]: any can tell me something about 2 players
au2 [1d\]: no
horacelamb [1k\]: yeah Jujo Jiang
Ordiac [4k\]: o7 is biggest i can see :(
sensei212 [11k\]: no??
sensei212 [11k\]: why?
Cornel [7d\]: that is Rui
horacelamb [1k\]: hahaha
horacelamb [1k\]: really?
Cornel [7d\]: jujo has 2 wives?
keselman [15k\]: L15
Cornel [7d\]: cool to be 9p
au2 [1d\]: horace was confused
kvzrock [1d\]: haha
Hosevoll: i count b + 2.5       
horacelamb [1k\]: that'd be pretty nice
EmTom [3k\]: cool to be 6d :)
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: you guess
FuriKuri [1d\]: lol?
horacelamb [1k\]: an added bonusfor male 9ps
Empiror [6d\]: nono, cornel, monogamy for chinese, strictly

kibarosman [ 7k \]: nice b pressure
shinsei [ 4k \]: looks like a bad start for w
garykhuang [13k+\]: A little help please. Who is White?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i really liked his K11 move, let's see if he'll be able to cash it in
kibarosman [ 7k \]: jie li is white
kibarosman [ 7k \]: 9d
garykhuang [13k+\]: thanks
]
;W[pb]C[pernod [7k\]: how can you count at this stage ?
Cornel [7d\]: how many wives as a 6d ?
Hosevoll: was a joke pernod
Hosevoll: bad one i know
pernod [7k\]: arf
yithril [1k\]: they alternate
Empiror [6d\]: b got sente now
Ordiac [4k\]: q18 makes empty triangle ?
unknowmplr [7k?\]: it is not good to be 9p... you have no chance to improve your rank
Cornel [7d\]: r16 not big ?
Hosevoll: it does ordiac
Wainaa [3k\]: Q18 is aiming for life
MysticoN [1d\]: rank doesnt mean so much
Hosevoll: p17 q18 q17 is empty triangle
kimball [2d\]: i wonder why omit the cut before q 18?
horacelamb [1k\]: well it makes R16 a cut point too, no?
EmTom [3k\]: its better to have "friends" than wives no? :)
MysticoN [1d\]: just focus on strength
Cornel [7d\]: 9p improve also
keselman [15k\]: O15
Hosevoll: sorry :(
Cornel [7d\]: win titles
Tsuki [2k\]: q18 is aiming at r16?
Seeguu [6k\]: when you lose as 9p you can still improve
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^
drunknweak [4k\]: What after r16?
yoof [2k\]: q18 maybe threatens r16?
Empiror [6d\]: somewhere around K8 ?
Queselk [12k\]: r15?
kvzrock [1d\]: so 9ps are better than others
horacelamb [1k\]: yeah does seem to threaten R16
TheClown [3d\]: r16 some yose 
Seeguu [6k\]: how about 10p
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^
XSpanier [11k\]: there are a lot of 9p
horacelamb [1k\]: idk, it seems pretty big
DrOlczyk [6k\]: rank means nothing skill is everything,  You can allways improve your skill.
Cornel [7d\]: there are more 11k :)
XSpanier [11k\]: ^^
mgelo [6k\]: yes there should be a 10p
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^
MysticoN [1d\]: there is 10p title
Wainaa [3k\]: there is one 10p
Queselk [12k\]: judan is 10p
Seeguu [6k\]: yes
Fantastico [4k\]: judan
mafutrct [14k\]: isn't there a judan? ;)
Anathos [5k\]: there's just one 10p
kvzrock [1d\]: b's fine
Seeguu [6k\]: now hes god
Ash [10k\]: anyone know how times are going?
pandaah [4k\]: what is the higher rank?
kvzrock [1d\]: no need to deffend?
PlayMany [1d\]: the game looks pretty simple for a final match
TheClown [3d\]: njah must defend
kvzrock [1d\]: so
Hosevoll: simple is best
kvzrock [1d\]: r16 q15 s16 s17?
shindou01 [11k\]: you can only become a 10p by winning the judan title right ?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: jump out?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: mm.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: is that sente?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: seems so.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: now b needs to defend against r16
shinsei [ 4k \]: gote for w
kibarosman [ 7k \]: so i guess q18 was sente
kibarosman [ 7k \]: why gote?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: techincally black could ignore.
shinsei [ 4k \]: after black defends white can't leave that group be
ennuistic [ 4k \]: bad shape.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: white will jump out.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: jump out to M14?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: i think so.
garykhuang [13k+\]: think so too
garykhuang [13k+\]: Seems White likes to play moyo
garykhuang [13k+\]: That's his personal style
]
;B[ne]C[pernod [7k\]: m14 to enclose white top ?
]
;W[qd]
;B[rd]C[yithril [1k\]: hehe
Drimgere [2k\]: burn
EmTom [3k\]: hmmm
Cornel [7d\]: ha
Cornel [7d\]: agressive:)
Nilatarion [7k\]: nice
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^
]
;W[lf]C[ennuistic [ 4k \]: fun.
]
;B[kg]C[Empiror [6d\]: S16 suprised w
nmxx [15k\]: q15 = p16?
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: why?
Empiror [6d\]: o..game over, b won
hiina [7k\]: is naùt sleeping a moment or did see answer as quick ?
kvzrock [1d\]: no w in troble?
mafutrct [14k\]: shindou01, yes
horacelamb [1k\]: S16 shouldn't have surprised him
kvzrock [1d\]: now
MysticoN [1d\]: positive attitude from b :)
Tsuki [2k\]: s16 is nice
endise [1d\]: no wo won
]
;W[lg]
;B[kh]C[Cornel [7d\]: s16 was the only move
Seeguu [6k\]: 374 obs
kvzrock [1d\]: b still has the cut p14 to worry about
Tsuki [2k\]: aiming at p14?
Empiror [6d\]: w's moyo is seriously compromised
Cornel [7d\]: if q15 w s 16 would kill those 2

ennuistic [ 4k \]: white 16 seems bad now.
]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[pd]
;B[rf]C[EmTom [3k\]: so many cuts
kvzrock [1d\]: o13?
Sponge7 [8k\]: P14?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: cut?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: no way.
]
;W[ng]WL[2700]
;B[og]BL[2700]C[answer: can someone tell me whats a moyo?
yithril [1k\]: a framework 
teamsoco [12k\]: a huge territory
svgo [6k\]: does NAMT's speed in playing reflect the time the players take?
kvzrock [1d\]: o14?
Seeguu [6k\]: potential territory
Wolferl [4k\]: do you know ketchup answer?
Queselk [12k\]: territory framework
Tsuki [2k\]: moyo is a wall
tenttacule [6k\]: it a small moyonaise
JeansebL [4k\]: big influence
EmTom [3k\]: moyo is not teritory teamsoco
Genius [2d\]: there is this guy in hs with a huge dong whom we called moyo
Seeguu [6k\]: xD
Nizzity [2k\]: answer should change name to 'question'
Drimgere [2k\]: -_-
Empiror [6d\]: answer got a lot basic questions
Spacemen3 [4d\]: at this point even I can see W is getting a bad result
answer: haha
Drimgere [2k\]: oh c'mon
shindou01 [11k\]: lol this is a demo to learn people what a moyo is
kvzrock [1d\]: o11?
Ives08 [1k?\]: lol
answer: good one nizzity
Jefia [5k\]: u unkind kibitzers...was a serios questionn:D
kvzrock [1d\]: n11?
unknowmplr [7k?\]: moyo = http://senseis.xmp.net/?Moyo
keselman [15k\]: P12
Empiror [6d\]: ok, 5k, what is go?
Genius [2d\]: w lost htis game
Empiror [6d\]: what's is life and death?
Tsuki [2k\]: doesnt look good for w
MysticoN [1d\]: o18 huge followup for b
Genius [2d\]: what is the purpose of life?
svgo [6k\]: 42
Seeguu [6k\]: :D
Cornel [7d\]: heh
Ordiac [4k\]: hmm hard question
Empiror [6d\]: ya, all serious questions
Tsuki [2k\]: the purpose of life, is to play go
Spacemen3 [4d\]: O18 is sore spot in W's shape
Ives08 [1k?\]: lol
Jefia [5k\]: who, you takin to?
shindou01 [11k\]: o 14 +
Seeguu [6k\]: life is when you beat 9p in even game
MysticoN [1d\]: indeed
shindou01 [11k\]: ?*
Ives08 [1k?\]: hahaha

shinsei [ 4k \]: black sure is happy with this result
ennuistic [ 4k \]: n10 jump?
garykhuang [13k+\]: Feng Yun is tough on pressure
shinsei [ 4k \]: O14
shinsei [ 4k \]: seems like a good forcing move
shinsei [ 4k \]: i could be wrong ^^
ennuistic [ 4k \]: i think he'll just leave it.
garykhuang [13k+\]: N11 ppl
]
;W[lb]C[Genius [2d\]: jie li is screwed
KoReNJe [4d\]: ...
idigo [1d\]: well, questions only a small part of the chaff, anyway
Ives08 [1k?\]: tough game still
yoof [2k\]: was it worthwhile for W to fill q16?
kvzrock [1d\]: w seal
Fleclair82 [11k\]: death is when 9p lose to 9d in even game
Nightmare [1k\]: Empiror - update blog !!
kimball [2d\]: semms fair for both, but i never saw this sequence before, probably well researched in china?
Empiror [6d\]: now K11 looks such a funny move
Wainaa [3k\]: it was sente yoof
Queselk [12k\]: life is when you give handi to 9p
Empiror [6d\]: ok ok, nightmare...
kickass007: tsss, empiror, not nice... u've been 5k too, once... you're not that much stronger now...
TheClown [3d\]: i think black likes his l12 stone
MysticoN [1d\]: maybe o18 still just to take away 2 eyes ?
yukimora [13k\]: jie li has beat a 7p in an even game
Nightmare [1k\]: :PPP
Queselk [12k\]: handicap by the way
TheClown [3d\]: L12 shines
horacelamb [1k\]: he's beaten 9p as well
kvzrock [1d\]: this is one stone handi?
Tsuki [2k\]: no
Queselk [12k\]: 9d is white
Spacemen3 [4d\]: that only goes to show how good Feng Yun is, yukimora...
Seeguu [6k\]: oh boy
Queselk [12k\]: and there is komi

ennuistic [ 4k \]: mm.
cha1ns [21k?\]: heh no one guessed that one
ennuistic [ 4k \]: black wins this fight.
shinsei [ 4k \]: black should totally tenuki
ennuistic [ 4k \]: black will attack top left corner.
shinsei [ 4k \]: that is tenuki -_-'
ricoh51 [10k \]: black O18?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: not if it settles the group.
]
;B[nb]C[MysticoN [1d\]: ^^
tildebis [2k?\]: 7p or 9p it doesn't mean much these days ... only that they are pro
Anathos [5k\]: even, 7,5komi
kvzrock [1d\]: right
Empiror [6d\]: i can beat any 9p in 100 meters running ....
horacelamb [1k\]: wow
Tsuki [2k\]: yea for some reason 9p is b
kvzrock [1d\]: so b has to be aggressive
Uvas [-\]: ouch
yoof [2k\]: yeah, thanks Wainaa. 
Seeguu [6k\]: so can i
Seeguu [6k\]: :D
shindou01 [11k\]: white dead KO white resigns now The End
Sassaifet [13k\]: stop flood
EmTom [3k\]: empiror are you sure about that? :D:D:D
yahaa [1k\]: it is sente
yahaa [1k\]: ^^,
Empiror [6d\]: b is playing like a w in h2 game...
Anathos [5k\]: B+resign ?
Ordiac [4k\]: i dun believe o18
keselman [15k\]: O17
kvzrock [1d\]: better o17
Ordiac [4k\]: it must be overplay
horacelamb [1k\]: It doesn't kill outright
kvzrock [1d\]: or o16
MysticoN [1d\]: o18 isnt overplay
Nightmare [1k\]: Empiror how many stones for you to beat a 9p?
teamsoco [12k\]: who was it that said we would get rignation comments around move 60
tildebis [2k?\]: I don't understand 9d ?
MysticoN [1d\]: its keypoint for shape
tildebis [2k?\]: what does it means ?
teamsoco [12k\]: resignation*
TheGovernr [1k\]: o18 threatens to captura q18 group
yahaa [1k\]: if tenuki p17 dead no?
Empiror [6d\]: ya, tom, i did 12.5 sec before, i guess now, i can do 13sec , no problem
MysticoN [1d\]: that to
Seeguu [6k\]: nightmare i quess 9 stones to 9p
keselman [15k\]: K9?
TheGovernr [1k\]: while taking away eyespace
TheClown [3d\]: it is kikashi takeing away some eyespace
Spacemen3 [4d\]: you can't ignore O18
baltimore [3k\]: she played o18 last game too
bouboubou [1k\]: ...

ennuistic [ 4k \]: mm.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: thats good too.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: K18?
garykhuang [13k+\]: That's tough
ronahi [12k+\]: k18 looks good
ennuistic [ 4k \]: if he could he would.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: but o17 might capture the group.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: so,
ennuistic [ 4k \]: probably not =)
]
;W[me]C[baltimore [3k\]: you can never ignoreo18
MysticoN [1d\]: o16 
Nightmare [1k\]: Empiror , how many stones for you to beat a 9p ?
TheGovernr [1k\]: wow
Empiror [6d\]: b is overplaying
Empiror [6d\]: how many? 4?
Ordiac [4k\]: hehe
KoReNJe [4d\]: no he's not
Empiror [6d\]: i guess
kvzrock [1d\]: huh
]
;B[nd]
;W[nc]C[MysticoN [1d\]: not eally
TheClown [3d\]: and now q19 is sente for yose
shindou01 [11k\]: The 9p shall read the future
Empiror [6d\]: even 3, i might have some chance...
Nightmare [1k\]: hehe
shindou01 [11k\]: longer than the 9d
Ordiac [4k\]: f17 is not alive , nor is r4
MysticoN [1d\]: n12 
eS0rven [6k\]: empiror so strong
Seeguu [6k\]: at kbitz
KoReNJe [4d\]: game is pretty even
TheClown [3d\]: k18 is big
Empiror [6d\]: i beated a pro this afternoon
eS0rven [6k\]: cool
Ordiac [4k\]: so w will use defence to attack those ?
Nightmare [1k\]: wtf, where?
shindou01 [11k\]: what is a kibitz ?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: W ends up with the infamous potato shape...
yithril [1k\]: with a stick?
JeffChang [9d\]: for real?
icecreame [6k\]: i dont think that a 9p player uses overplay

ennuistic [ 4k \]: white in a lot of trouble.
]
;B[pa]
;W[mb]C[Nightmare [1k\]: there are Pros in Sudan ?
Empiror [6d\]: kiti sth, she is a pro
KoReNJe [4d\]: haha
KoReNJe [4d\]: sudan?
kvzrock [1d\]: w has no eye
kickass007: let's play blind-go some day, you get 3 stones
kvzrock [1d\]: yet
Empiror [6d\]: in Sudan, I am the top pro! lol
keselman [15k\]: O19
yahaa [1k\]: xd
AGASSI [?\]: hard to  believe black´s play
Wainaa [3k\]: N17
TheClown [3d\]: k18 time?
Tsuki [2k\]: 2 eyes
shindou01 [11k\]: n 16 ?
KoReNJe [4d\]: wtf are you doing in sudan?
Tsuki [2k\]: already
Nightmare [1k\]: Empiror, over the internet or in real life ?
shindou01 [11k\]: or p 18
Empiror [6d\]: b wants not just a victory, b wants a lesson for w
Ordiac [4k\]: well imho empiror very strong kgs player to watch
KoReNJe [4d\]: jeff, when is fondle comming back here? :(
TheClown [3d\]: i am a k18 man
Empiror [6d\]: check my record, it's kimikomo or sth like that
nmxx [15k\]: n16 ---> o14?
JeffChang [9d\]: fondle?
KoReNJe [4d\]: yes
nbnf05 [3k\]: best kgs player

ennuistic [ 4k \]: white also plays very fast.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: =)
]
;B[oa]C[shindou01 [11k\]: fondle the 9d guy
]
;W[nf]
;B[of]C[Hosevoll: h17 still an option if l18 door is open?
TheClown [3d\]: is k18 big?
JeffChang [9d\]: he didn't play that account any more as I know
shindou01 [11k\]: is he the best player
shindou01 [11k\]: on kgs ?
nbnf05 [3k\]: yes
sinshou [1d?\]: tartrate
yithril [1k\]: ultra aggresive play
JeffChang [9d\]: pay more attention to MyMMoon instead pls, ^^
yithril [1k\]: i love it
Ordiac [4k\]: gokarst was best !
shindou01 [11k\]: better than Jeff
shindou01 [11k\]: or Wilzhang
JeffChang [9d\]: sure
KoReNJe [4d\]: mymmoon is fondle?
Nightmare [1k\]: Jeff, you know who MyMMoon is ?
Ordiac [4k\]: what happened to GOKART ??
Queselk [12k\]: ive never seen tartrate
MysticoN [1d\]: I think willzhang is stronger than fondle
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^

ennuistic [ 4k \]: white has to jump out first?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: or k18?
]
;W[ke]
;B[je]C[Seeguu [6k\]: okey thats after game speaking?
JeffChang [9d\]: I just told you to pay more attention to MyMMoon, didn't say anything more though, ^^

ennuistic [ 4k \]: k18, l18, k17?
]
;W[oh]WL[2460]C[Empiror [6d\]: cheng yaoye 5p was on kgs once, he must be the strongest ...
shindou01 [11k\]: lol
Nightmare [1k\]: theres wangyang[5p\] he's still here
keselman [15k\]: Q12
KoReNJe [4d\]: mmymmoon is pretty weak
mgelo [6k\]: where's Cornel?
shindou01 [11k\]: what about overcast ?
KoReNJe [4d\]: I want fondle
Empiror [6d\]: chen yaoye 5p was LG cup finalist
nmxx [15k\]: Q - R?
shindou01 [11k\]: he is a 9d
JeffChang [9d\]: MysticoN, I don't quite agree with your point, hehe
nmxx [15k\]: Q R?
MysticoN [1d\]: really ?
JeffChang [9d\]: : )
MysticoN [1d\]: willzhang is pretty strong :S
keselman [15k\]: O12?
yoof [2k\]: maybe o12?
klabauter [4k\]: q12
JeffChang [9d\]: yeah that's true
shindou01 [11k\]: what about overcast
nmxx [15k\]: DAMN SORY IF Q W RCAN R?
shindou01 [11k\]: he is 9d
JeffChang [9d\]: I have no idea abou that guy, sorry
Nightmare [1k\]: Jeff is barely playing on KGS lately
Seeguu [6k\]: why dont you just say it if you want free teach game ^^
tekneek [7k\]: de ja vu
MysticoN [1d\]: ah hehe :)
kvzrock [1d\]: w isn't completely alive yet
keselman [15k\]: o12?
Necroz [1k\]: b o12 now?
Empiror [6d\]: w is alive
Fredda [5d?\]: hehe
shindou01 [11k\]: a free teaching game by  Jeff
Fredda [5d?\]: moon > all
shindou01 [11k\]: lol
Fredda [5d?\]: ok?
kvzrock [1d\]: n16?
shindou01 [11k\]: would have been cool
yithril [1k\]: i dont foresee any cutting
SoulShard [-\]: http://www.gokgs.com/top100.jsp - > Jeff, you're ranked 1st!
KoReNJe [4d\]: jeff, lets play free even game :P
DrOlczyk [6k\]: hane too much?
Ordiac [4k\]: hmm i can really only guess b is toasted here
klabauter [4k\]: tenuki?
Nightmare [1k\]: Jeff is strongest on kgs
kvzrock [1d\]: can't tenuki
JeffChang [9d\]: ah, I'd like just to watch a big, more enjoyment, ^^
MagicMagor [5k\]: hm.. N12?
JeffChang [9d\]: bit*
kvzrock [1d\]: o11?
KoReNJe [4d\]: I am pretty challenging :P
Ives08 [1k?\]: lol
SoulShard [-\]: <--- Super strong too!
TheClown [3d\]: it is difficult to attack
Spacemen3 [4d\]: Q11 is too simple?
kickass007: you're challenging when you get 6 stones:)
shindou01 [11k\]: Jeff congrats on beeing number 1 on kgs
klabauter [4k\]: why cant tenuki?
idazuwaika [2d\]: how JeffChang get to top without playing any game?
Seeguu [6k\]: i forsee nice cit ahead
Seeguu [6k\]: *cut
Ordiac [4k\]: r12
kvzrock [1d\]: m11?
shindou01 [11k\]: n 11
Tsuki [2k\]: o12?
EmTom [3k\]: didnt you notice that ranks going up when you dont play? :D
MysticoN [1d\]: he played one some days ago or week ago .. slaughtered his opponent group :)
shindou01 [11k\]: n 11 ?
SoulShard [-\]: o12 cut ^^?
kvzrock [1d\]: w wants to make k11 useful
Wainaa [3k\]: 012 cut better than n11
Tsuki [2k\]: n11 and w r13
yithril [1k\]: cutting would help w escape
shindou01 [11k\]: or n 12
yahaa [1k\]: o12 = r13
yithril [1k\]: but give black lots of territory
Wainaa [3k\]: white is alive or out anyway
JeffChang [9d\]: I played just a few days ago, :/
Spacemen3 [4d\]: o11 o12 n11 would be super-violent
TheClown [3d\]: r11
keselman [15k\]: N12?
KoReNJe [4d\]: 12 more days till we change our currency to euro :P
SoulShard [-\]: I wonder what Jeff, Cornel & Empiror think....O12?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: maybe W cannot even connect at O12
KoReNJe [4d\]: I bet we will have to pay 2 euros for 3 dcl of cocacola now
endise [1d\]: lag?
shindou01 [11k\]: its n11 cmon
cyc [2d\]: hi all
Hosevoll: its scary, sometimes  i thik jeff=fondle=myymoon=tratrate=hosevoll
kvzrock [1d\]: just cut and think later
TheClown [3d\]: i feel it is difficult to attack it anymore
Spacemen3 [4d\]: O11 is my top candidate
TheClown [3d\]: i vote for r11
mgelo [6k\]: $10 an hour is really affordable
Ordiac [4k\]: lol kor and shut down a few nuclear rectors too ?
KoReNJe [4d\]: nah
Spacemen3 [4d\]: R11 is too sweet
shindou01 [11k\]: q 12
KoReNJe [4d\]: our nuclear reactor will run for 25 years more
kvzrock [1d\]: is b thinking in real time?
mgelo [6k\]: where is it, KoR?
Empiror [6d\]: feng 9p overplayed here ... she can't get sent and that's bad for b
shindou01 [11k\]: its q12 or n11
Ordiac [4k\]: i think i saw it in the news
shindou01 [11k\]: lol
KoReNJe [4d\]: Slovenia
TheClown [3d\]: if attack then it is something like o11
shindou01 [11k\]: NAMT2006 show the next move if you can
kimball [2d\]: q12 seems normal an better than cut
TheClown [3d\]: but i not see much point in it
mgelo [6k\]: i will miss the czech crowns :(
endise [1d\]: b resigned here
kvzrock [1d\]: cut grabs territory tho
Ordiac [4k\]: why dont the slovaks re-unite with the check ?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: by attacking B can make herself thick and get sente
TheClown [3d\]: what di black resign?
yahaa [1k\]: so long time...
Spacemen3 [4d\]: the R12 territory is not big anyway
mgelo [6k\]: they won't take them back :)
horacelamb [1k\]: you mean "Czech"
MysticoN [1d\]: b still just have 1 eye
KoReNJe [4d\]: p12 is pretty good... 
idazuwaika [2d\]: which server these two play on?
DrOlczyk [6k\]: will they break for lunch?
Fredda [5d?\]: hahaha
KoReNJe [4d\]: w threatens with r13
Fredda [5d?\]: jeff nr 1 @ kgs
Empiror [6d\]: 9ps don't eat human food
Fredda [5d?\]: thats to sexy
Dark13 [1k\]: how much time is left?
Yuusuke [7k\]: the game will be end here, won't you?
Ordiac [4k\]: 60 mins each
kvzrock [1d\]: haha
KoReNJe [4d\]: ordiac, where are you from?
kvzrock [1d\]: lunch break
Ordiac [4k\]: .nl
kvzrock [1d\]: what's the venue/
kvzrock [1d\]: ?
baltimore [3k\]: its only 10am there...
KoReNJe [4d\]: ordiac, so they mention slovenia in your news?
Beepee12k [2d\]: i doubt there 's a break with only 1 hour main time
kvzrock [1d\]: baltimore/
NAMT2006 [?\]: Seattle Go Center
shindou01 [11k\]: i wonder if many people have gotten booted by admins

kibarosman [ 7k \]: run w, run
ennuistic [ 4k \]: white is half alive.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: why no high dan commentary?
chad [ 2d+\]: please
ennuistic [ 4k \]: =)
gounix [ 3d \]: It's pretty hard to tell at this point, I guess..
chad [ 2d+\]: feng yun is b?
mat [ 8k?\]: l 18 fro eye in m15 ?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: or just L16?
]
;B[ki]BL[1980]C[shindou01 [11k\]: right noe
shindou01 [11k\]: now*
baltimore [3k\]: ?
unknowmplr [7k?\]: wow
SoulShard [-\]: l11...
Skadi [3k\]: yay!
Seeguu [6k\]: nope but will you be first one?`
mgelo [6k\]: there's no byoyomi?
al1 [1k\]: what is the remaining time for  players ?
Skadi [3k\]: that was my move
Skadi [3k\]: :D
shindou01 [11k\]: yeah right
MysticoN [1d\]: kinda risky move imo if w respond
Beepee12k [2d\]: there is byoyomi :)
unknowmplr [7k?\]: why is L11 good for?
yithril [1k\]: just ignore huh
Tsuki [2k\]: what exactly does l11 do
Hosevoll: l1 sente?
Hosevoll: no : or?
kvzrock [1d\]: threatens k10
kvzrock [1d\]: and o12
idazuwaika [2d\]: i'd play l11 too
Ordiac [4k\]: is tengen big now ?
SoulShard [-\]: L11...Givng w a hard time getting out?
MysticoN [1d\]: if w k10  and lives after another move .. what did b gain ?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: K10 or O11 next
Spacemen3 [4d\]: (for B)
jewdan [6k\]: l11 = easy moyo reduction in the future if White responds on the right

kibarosman [ 7k \]: K9?
]
;W[jk]WL[2400]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: W can only defend against one
kimball [2d\]: l 11threatens cut o12 and storing power
Ordiac [4k\]: k9 is kewl
KoReNJe [4d\]: w is building moyo
kvzrock [1d\]: so w defeneded moyo
Seeguu [6k\]: oh my
Spacemen3 [4d\]: K9 is very very risky
kvzrock [1d\]: now b should carry out the threat
Seeguu [6k\]: things look promising for audience
Spacemen3 [4d\]: W is going to get exploited
Ives08 [1k?\]: interesting
Seeguu [6k\]: we might see something intersting
TheClown [3d\]: should not wit too long play r13
Ordiac [4k\]: ist so kewl its even ice-cold , imho
endise [1d\]: w seems dead to me
kvzrock [1d\]: hehe
TheClown [3d\]: r13 might dissapear
Ordiac [4k\]: i thought so too
SoulShard [-\]: W not dead...
SoulShard [-\]: Yet :)
Shinichi56 [5k\]: i thinl yes^^
Ordiac [4k\]: w must be good at counting yose
drunknweak [4k\]: not dead... yet 
idazuwaika [2d\]: black too
endise [1d\]: dead..not yet
Hosevoll: n23 group has some nice sente options so might find life?
kvzrock [1d\]: l11 was an excellent leaning attack more
kvzrock [1d\]: move
shindou01 [11k\]: white=dead
Fantastico [4k\]: can't w live with anything between l14, l16 and n16?
kimball [2d\]: might have to live, perhaps giving the dango but not dead
nmxx [15k\]: n12 makes white life true?
Skadi [3k\]: white alive :-)
Nightmare [1k\]: shindou01[11k\] - you would know
tenttacule [6k\]: trust the eye of skadi =)
KoReNJe [4d\]: ordiac, pros are counting whole board after each move
shindou01 [11k\]: lol
Shinichi56 [5k\]: n16 kill?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: W can live for sure
SoulShard [-\]: W can live in gote....But I think he's thinking of a way out.
kvzrock [1d\]: n16 can get so stones
kvzrock [1d\]: some
Ordiac [4k\]: lol yes geo said , count every move , lol really :)
KoReNJe [4d\]: yep
KoReNJe [4d\]: that is why I almost never lose in real life tournaments
shindou01 [11k\]: l 14 ?
shindou01 [11k\]: L14*
Ordiac [4k\]: kewl
Shinichi56 [5k\]: n16 make m15 false no?
TheClown [3d\]: the white frame work looks big
unknowmplr [7k?\]: W+ time?
TheClown [3d\]: j11?
kimball [2d\]: no way l 14
Nightmare [1k\]: you count all board every move Koren?
jewdan [6k\]: O11, O12, N16?
KoReNJe [4d\]: black will play j11 maybe
TheClown [3d\]: l8?
tumbleweed [2d\]: J10
Nightmare [1k\]: i guess thats why you dont lose, your opponents resign due to excessive bordom
Nightmare [1k\]: ;p
XSpanier [11k\]: m10
kvzrock [1d\]: haha
tumbleweed [2d\]: J10, then H12
mgelo [6k\]: yes you can whittle opoonents down by using all your time :)
KoReNJe [4d\]: o12 is big though

kibarosman [ 7k \]: should b attack from L6 direction or from J11 direction?
chad [ 2d+\]: the w group has 2 eyes
chad [ 2d+\]: the w moyo looks dangerous
kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes, i don't think b can kill anymore, so b wants to reduce w's moyo
kibarosman [ 7k \]: but how?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: he still needs to worry his own moyo on the right bottom vs upper left
chad [ 2d+\]: K10 might help an attack on w later
toxygen [22k?\]: kibarosman: it's she
chad [ 2d+\]: a deep invasion looks difficult but possible
]
;B[kl]BL[1740]C[Ordiac [4k\]: i wouldnt like b here
Beepee12k [2d\]: wow
gepay [2k\]: good idea to consider whole board every move
Hosevoll: noone said l8 :) ^^^
TheClown [3d\]: who did say L8?
TheClown [3d\]: i did 
answer: clown
KoReNJe [4d\]: nice
idazuwaika [2d\]: has anyone escaped game in real life?
Tsuki [2k\]: looks like w have to sacrifice moyo or top group
Nightmare [1k\]: lol
Hosevoll: good clown
Nightmare [1k\]: escaping a game in real life haha
TheClown [3d\]: Clown very strong Clown be 9 dan soon <:o)
mgelo [6k\]: mess stones up on the goban
keselman [15k\]: H17?
Ordiac [4k\]: is L8 losing move ?
stupidplr [2k\]: N11 for life
jklwild [5k\]: w n19 for an eye
KoReNJe [4d\]: l8 is the best move
drunknweak [4k\]: lol ordiac
Hosevoll: ansichten eines clowns :)
Xoc [10k?\]: If there are about 20 moves and 40 people suggesting something someone is every time right...
Anathos [5k\]: ?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: mm
ennuistic [ 4k \]: trying to make k4 forcing?
chad [ 2d+\]: too high a level for me to comment sensibly
kibarosman [ 7k \]: oh, come on, that never keeps us from commenting :)
]
;W[mi]
;B[jl]C[Nightmare [1k\]: lets go blitz
Beepee12k [2d\]: n19 is no eye > n19 p18 n17 l18 
Shinichi56 [5k\]: yeah^^
gepay [2k\]: he climbed outside the bathroom window
]
;W[il]
;B[im]C[Nightmare [1k\]: oh yeah thats more like it
]
;W[hm]C[Nightmare [1k\]: 10 sec per move
Ordiac [4k\]: b think it yose ??
stupidplr [2k\]: see? n11, i am thinkin like  9dan
keselman [15k\]: J90
Yuusuke [7k\]: no, if a 9d player played this move so there must be good, or not?
bouboubou [1k\]: ...
keselman [15k\]: J9*
Yuusuke [7k\]: a 9p
Prodigious [2d\]: I would have played D16 as my second moves as well, I guess I'm 9d
Prodigious [2d\]: *move
MagicMagor [5k\]: stupidplr: the question is, how often? =)
endise [1d\]: exciting game
ayarij [1k\]: is it fair a 9d has white against a 9p?
FreeStyler [2k\]: 1 of 100 )
rabarbar [1k\]: yes, but you are only thinking that you are thinking like 9 dan
stupidplr [2k\]: once in a blue moon ^^
bouboubou [1k\]: no
tasaboy [2d\]: u dont see many pro grames looking like this ^^
SupRAS [4k\]: how many 9p in the world actually?
bouboubou [1k\]: 9pis huge better
Ordiac [4k\]: the beaty trap tesuji
drunknweak [4k\]: to be honest.. there isn't anything exciting yet, imo
Queselk [12k\]: last night jie li ad black

toxygen [22k?\]: *silence*
kibarosman [ 7k \]: well, either H8 or J9, but i have no idea about either's consequences
chad [ 2d+\]: b strategy seems a little odd
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;B[in]C[Xoc [10k?\]: many 9 dan pro players play my 4,4 opening, so I must be 9p...
Prodigious [2d\]: Beginner and a 9p might choose the same move but for different reasons. :)
idigo [1d\]: it's a tournament, there's komi
Tsuki [2k\]: they played last night?

chad [ 2d+\]: b moyo isn't firm, but w is getting firmer
chad [ 2d+\]: m4 or similar is missing
kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes, b moyo open on two sides
ennuistic [ 4k \]: i would've cut.
]
;W[hl]C[Tsuki [2k\]: ...
Uvas [-\]: !
Tsuki [2k\]: right...
SupRAS [4k\]: ok
Ordiac [4k\]: ahaa , thx
KKNG [2k?\]: thx :-)
stupidplr [2k\]: what? rabarbar, *angry, angry*  i can't stand that kinda contampt, let's dual, as gentleman!!! life or death!
Walas [3k\]: what was this about again ?
Hosevoll: w looks very solide
Queselk [12k\]: last night NAMT had to reado some moves
Queselk [12k\]: because he played the wrong ones
finland [2d\]: 9p playing O_O
Tsuki [2k\]: so fengyun won last night?
Queselk [12k\]: might be checking
mgelo [6k\]: B around E15 next?
NAMT2006 [?\]: we had a cat run over the keyboard twice last night
yithril [1k\]: yes
yithril [1k\]: very good game
idazuwaika [2d\]: really??
TheClown [3d\]: s m4 to passive
idazuwaika [2d\]: a cat?
Nightmare [1k\]: i still dont understand why 9p playing a 9d
Wainaa [3k\]: q12 is big
nmxx [15k\]: how far can read a 9d?
Queselk [12k\]: thats awesome NAMT
tekneek [7k\]: kitties are awesome like that
ubergeek [7k\]: M4?
bouboubou [1k\]: .no i don't like this game it's moyo building
bouboubou [1k\]: that's not fun
TheClown [3d\]: d18?
nmxx [15k\]: 100threats ? more?
Queselk [12k\]: i think i will do that
NAMT2006 [?\]: This game is the second game of the finals for the NAMT
aristide [3k\]: nmxx> as far as the distance between new york and tokyo i think
nmxx [15k\]: g12?
NAMT2006 [?\]: Black is Jie Li, AGA 9 Dan, and last years champion
FreeStyler [2k\]: does not it seem w has an advantage?
TheClown [3d\]: L9 is also quiet thick
Tsuki [2k\]: how many games are there in total?
NAMT2006 [?\]: White is Feng Yun, 9 Dan Professional, and winner of the A League this year
bouboubou [1k\]: what does aga mean?
KoReNJe [4d\]: o10 now?
ericthblue [12k\]: american go association
Queselk [12k\]: who did he play last year NAMT?
Beepee12k [2d\]: american go association
idazuwaika [2d\]: black is jie li??
Yuusuke [7k\]: if white's turn again, whats about m12?
NAMT2006 [?\]: this is the second game of a best of 3
bouboubou [1k\]: ok thx
SupRAS [4k\]: how many 9p players actually?
msafir: black is jie li?? 
Tsuki [2k\]: ok thanks
bouboubou [1k\]: white !
idazuwaika [2d\]: which is which?
NAMT2006 [?\]: Sorry I have colors backwards :)
Wainaa [3k\]: white is Jie Li
Queselk [12k\]: NAMT who did Jie Li play last year?
NAMT2006 [?\]: Jie Li is White as it says in the game record
icecreame [6k\]: black=9p white=9d
TheClown [3d\]: i guess black like most invad at c17
SupRAS [4k\]: you just have to read
Beepee12k [2d\]: no, white is FengYun
bouboubou [1k\]: (there is written above time ..........................)
NAMT2006 [?\]: Last year, in the finals, Jie Li played Thomas Hsiang
agod2: so who won the first game?
Shinichi56 [5k\]: 9p normally
drunknweak [4k\]: but invasion leaves no sente... if i'm not mistaken?
NAMT2006 [?\]: Feng Yun, as White, won the first game by 8 points
TheClown [3d\]: can these stones around k8 look for them self and can white invade at c17
NAMT2006 [?\]: this game Jie Li is White and Feng Yun is black
TheClown [3d\]: black sry
YogSothoth [2k\]: what's komi?
Beepee12k [2d\]: ah ok
Ives08 [1k?\]: thanks, NAMT for clarifying =)
gepay [2k\]: jie lie had b last night
baltimore [3k\]: 8
NAMT2006 [?\]: Ing rules
blankflash [4k\]: komi 7.5
NAMT2006 [?\]: 8 points komi
Nightmare [1k\]: kgs rulez
YogSothoth [2k\]: thanks
bouboubou [1k\]: lol
drunknweak [4k\]: large komi
Ordiac [4k\]: b need L9
NAMT2006 [?\]: Time is 1 hour basic time, 25 stones in ten minutes Canadian overtime
TheClown [3d\]: who likes c17?
JeansebL [4k\]: 8 points is quite a lot....
keselman [15k\]: f14?
agod2: guess the pressure is on Jie Li today then
idazuwaika [2d\]: large komi.. no wonder white wins
Hosevoll: b needs to invade soon
drunknweak [4k\]: c17, if you can keep sente, i'm ok with it
ste [1k\]: G4 not interesting?
EmTom [3k\]: i always love sansan ;)
TheClown [3d\]: white d18 looks big
Queselk [12k\]: NAMT how are you being relayed the moves?
tumbleweed [2d\]: G4 wont work
nmxx [15k\]: what about M5 ?
Ordiac [4k\]: g4 is funny
kimball [2d\]: l 9 is not too attractive with n 11 and l 3 in place, w will invade right side immediately after that

chad [ 2d+\]: maybe b feels w moyo is also open or can be invaded
kibarosman [ 7k \]: seems like w can even attack Q10 stone at this point
chad [ 2d+\]: E10 seems too deep
ennuistic [ 4k \]: agreed that white must invade?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i think w just waiting his turn to invade
chad [ 2d+\]: q10 is dead space
kibarosman [ 7k \]: dead space?
chad [ 2d+\]: dangerous for w as might threaten life
chad [ 2d+\]: b very strong above
ennuistic [ 4k \]: meh?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: if w invades at Q7 (or thereabouts), couldn't he link up with N11 or L3?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: q7 doesn't seem bad.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: needs some space to connect though.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: can't live on the inside.
chad [ 2d+\]: splitting attack offers many opportuntiies for b
chad [ 2d+\]: w is alive but another b stone could upset
]
;B[ip]BL[1440]
;W[iq]WL[2280]C[TheClown [3d\]: looks like prepare for m4
kimball [2d\]: aye
Tsuki [2k\]: wow
Tsuki [2k\]: yesterday's game, would b win if it wasnt seki at bottom?
Nightmare [1k\]: seems hard for 9d to beat 9p
Hosevoll: it does nightmare?
Hosevoll: i like w

kibarosman [ 7k \]: b had sente for a long time now
chad [ 2d+\]: s4 might be possible, but why not d17?kibarosman [ 7k \]: b had sente for a long time now
chad [ 2d+\]: s4 might be possible, but why not d17?
]
;B[lp]C[baltimore [3k\]: but she never gave him time to come back and live...
yukimora [13k\]: wow there are 368 people in here
Beepee12k [2d\]: good call
drunknweak [4k\]: then it was b+ 1,5 or so i think tsuki
Ordiac [4k\]: w is way bigger\]
Queselk [12k\]: g3?
Xeo [3k\]: 9p and 9d are about 210points difference?
Nightmare [1k\]: g4 ?
bouboubou [1k\]: q12 ?
Shinichi56 [5k\]: famework
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: is 9d ~1p ?
Queselk [12k\]: prob more
Xeo [3k\]: 7d = 1p
SudenDeath [-\]: 210 points? hehehehe
Xeo [3k\]: (egf)
Tsuki [2k\]: ok thanks
Nightmare [1k\]: 7d = 1p
Xeo [3k\]: 1p -> 2p are 30pts
jewdan [6k\]: I've read 6d = 1p
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: so 9d is.. ?
Ordiac [4k\]: id o9 ,n2 or g15
Queselk [12k\]: jie li beat 7p to get to title match
Hosevoll: all stupid ranking blabla
idigo [1d\]: no = ever allowed

ennuistic [ 4k \]: s4 seems more urgent.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: finally, b worries about her own moyo
kibarosman [ 7k \]: N8?
chad [ 2d+\]: might be too deep...
kibarosman [ 7k \]: where would you play?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: n8 is too deap.
]
;W[lq]WL[2100]C[Nilatarion [7k\]: m3

ennuistic [ 4k \]: probably small knight jump.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: if you wanted to penetrate from the top?
]
;B[mp]BL[1140]C[idigo [1d\]: top ama are around 5p
Ikaiyo [11k\]: depend on the 1p and 6D...
Faschyn [12k\]: Score est at black up over 30 points at this point lol
SudenDeath [-\]: depends on the pro and depends the dan
bouboubou [1k\]: dan = [2p-9p\] ☻
bouboubou [1k\]: 1*
bouboubou [1k\]: 9
Spacemen3 [4d\]: in the US, 7d is definitly not 1p
bouboubou [1k\]: sorry ^^
Ordiac [4k\]: id agree this b not bad
Faschyn [12k\]: it keeps changing dramticcly everymove
nmxx [15k\]: could white r7 survive?
finland [2d\]: nope
Fantastico [4k\]: probably not
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: why doesn't exist 9d in europe?
idazuwaika [2d\]: not against 9p
bouboubou [1k\]: too bad ^^
TheClown [3d\]: i even not believe in s4
Queselk [12k\]: asian amateur rankings only go up to 6d
Ordiac [4k\]: s4 is a probe
Ordiac [4k\]: q7 is severe ?
al1 [1k\]: 9d ama exist only in US
Skadi [3k\]: r13?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: 9d should be the strongest player, so 9d = 7p-9p -- no amateur is that strong
bouboubou [1k\]: yes R13
kimball [2d\]: probing is required there
TheClown [3d\]: black wil respon r3 to s4 i think
drunknweak [4k\]: o9?
Nilatarion [7k\]: n9
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: how much time remain, NAMT"==& ?
Faschyn [12k\]: Becuase we americans have no pros lol 
bouboubou [1k\]: n9 is too slow
TheClown [3d\]: and white will have hardtime getting anything from the probe
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: NAMT 2006*
baltimore [3k\]: H13
bouboubou [1k\]: first r13
Spacemen3 [4d\]: the strongest amatuers in europe are 7d level which is roughly equal to 1p-3p level
idazuwaika [2d\]: who?
Queselk [12k\]: cornel?
eS0rven [6k\]: no way
Spacemen3 [4d\]: Christian Pop is 7d
kimball [2d\]: bin
Ordiac [4k\]: maybe just play simple n8  ?
Veivi [3d\]: cornel is 6d
TheClown [3d\]: i also think i would start at r13 :)
Spacemen3 [4d\]: and Cho Seokbin
Hosevoll: bin is back in korea
plusQ [6k\]: p11 
endise [1d\]: really?
Bouton [?\]: and motoki and wataru
endise [1d\]: is bin back?
eS0rven [6k\]: wataru ..
eS0rven [6k\]: 5p
Ordiac [4k\]: yes , n8 definately
bouboubou [1k\]: they are no european ...
bouboubou [1k\]: not*
idazuwaika [2d\]: how old is jie li?
eS0rven [6k\]: 123
TheClown [3d\]: p9 possible?
endise [1d\]: what is european?
Hosevoll: he told me, i asked him if he still is in berlin, he said hes back to sias
drunknweak [4k\]: jie li is 24
Hosevoll: asia*Ü
bouboubou [1k\]: ...
TheClown [3d\]: is p9 a move?
idazuwaika [2d\]: jie li is 24.. not 123
Spacemen3 [4d\]: ... and Rob van Zeijst is also 7d
endise [1d\]: i see
Faschyn [12k\]: I would like to See the American Go Assocation start its own League or something and Have American pros not americans who become pro's through china or japan
bouboubou [1k\]: someone who is born in Europe xD
Bouton [?\]: Miyakawa Wataru is french 7d
Hosevoll: i love fJ! and his scary pinks shirts ****
GoTraining [11k\]: yeah... like an american nihon kiin
Ranix [8k\]: I think they don't want to be so inferior to japan
Ranix [8k\]: american pros would be very weak in comparison to japan or korea
Ordiac [4k\]: i think b won
Ordiac [4k\]: w too thin on left
Hosevoll: why ordiac?
TheClown [3d\]: i think i would play p9 here

kibarosman [ 7k \]: O9?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: thats what i would do.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: unfortunately my move makes q8 seem attractive.
Garf [ 2k+\]: r13
ennuistic [ 4k \]: how does s4 work?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: w s4, bs5?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i can never manage to stay alive after moves like S4...
kibarosman [ 7k \]: you mean s4 and then cross-cut, right?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: w r5?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: thats what it seems like to me.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: looks dangerous to me.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: r13 is good forcing move thouigh.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: how about R10?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: now that would be a bloodbath
ennuistic [ 4k \]: then r13 first, then r10?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: even better
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;W[eb]WL[1860]C[Faschyn [12k\]: Yes but they would be Americans you got to start somewhere and i think its about time america step on the scene 
TheClown [3d\]: e18
drunknweak [4k\]: you already saying that from move 8, ordiac
kimball [2d\]: waiting move
bouboubou [1k\]: fanhui is an 8 french dan :P
nmxx [15k\]: white r10 could do something?
Empiror [6d\]: O9 can be big
tildebis [2k?\]: bouboubou : 2p
GoTraining [11k\]: you just need a good generation of go players to come up
Spacemen3 [4d\]: E18 leaves a little aji in the corner?
idazuwaika [2d\]: fanhui is french by nationality?
bouboubou [1k\]: 2p but 8 dan is france !
bouboubou [1k\]: in*
DrOlczyk [6k\]: Who would put up the prise money?
Ranix [8k\]: r10 is bad, p9 might be good
SupRAS [4k\]: if ranks are true w has no chance
MagicMagor [5k\]: to have their own pros the AGA would need a lot of money.. i doubt that go is popular enough in the western world for that..
baltimore [3k\]: no one will be a pro go player if they cant make their living by playing go... since that is the definition of pro... and we dont have the money to support that
drunknweak [4k\]: ah, i told you... o9 is big!
drunknweak [4k\]: tsss
Ranix [8k\]: o9 better than p9 maybe
eS0rven [6k\]: O9 is slow
Queselk [12k\]: microsoft should sponsor american pro league
malumalu [30k?\]: xD
GoTraining [11k\]: maybe they should have the nihon kiin give a substitute branch in America
idazuwaika [2d\]: how is that related?
baltimore [3k\]: there is a microsoft go club... look on usg.org
Hosevoll: what pros?
flyingplum [9k\]: Not necessary to make a living; necessary to make some money to be a pro.
nbnf05 [3k\]: o9 can be disconnected I think
nmxx [15k\]: microsoft should disapear
SupRAS [4k\]: lol tes
idazuwaika [2d\]: there is microsoft go club?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: that's not true, SupRAS -- if the ranks are right they are about 1 handicap stone apart, so Feng Yun should expect to win 2 out of 3 games or something like that
Ordiac [4k\]: so if i teach a noob go should i charge like 30 euro an hour ?
SupRAS [4k\]: yes*
baltimore [3k\]: look on usgo.org
baltimore [3k\]: theres one
TheClown [3d\]: q11?
tumbleweed [2d\]: G13
nbnf05 [3k\]: white is winning right ?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I think it's more like two stones between them, but even then I think Jie Li should win at least 1 in 4
TheClown [3d\]: or q12
Faschyn [12k\]: No we just need to have the popularize another manga about playing go and that could fund an american go league lol
yahaa [1k\]: is d12 work?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I still think B is winning, nbnf05
wwgo19k [6k\]: who won 1st game?
TheClown [3d\]: perhaps black group better defend
idazuwaika [2d\]: did tartrate beat pro ??
KoReNJe [4d\]: natasha kampush looks so much fatter now on tv
Queselk [12k\]: feng yun won first game
yahaa [1k\]: c15?
tumbleweed [2d\]: America needs a few centuries of go being as popular as football
wwgo19k [6k\]: thanks
TheClown [3d\]: if white plays first in area around g14 could be big
idazuwaika [2d\]: which football ure talking about
MBarbr [9k\]: this is true tumble.
Wrenn [10k\]: american
Ordiac [4k\]: maybe id f14 as b here
EmTom [3k\]: americans only know i football :D
tumbleweed [2d\]: either
endise [1d\]: i think b has hard times
EmTom [3k\]: 1*
Queselk [12k\]: sad because i won be alive in a few centuries
flyingplum [9k\]: Would we need Extreme Go,  as a contact sport?
Empiror [6d\]: a few 1000s of years
MBarbr [9k\]: hahaha
Skadi [3k\]: b + res
Queselk [12k\]: .....or will i?
TheClown [3d\]: is some black move around g12 out of the question
idazuwaika [2d\]: go has been around for thousands year.. but still not widely known and played... what is wrong?
Skadi [3k\]: :-)
tumbleweed [2d\]: asia has a slight head start in go :-)
TheClown [3d\]: g12?
Wrenn [10k\]: just a little
endise [1d\]: it is too difficult 
GoTraining [11k\]: by 2500 years +
TheClown [3d\]: does anyone like g12
baltimore [3k\]: theres a new go game for the Wii
akasato [2k\]: hey cool, a super pro game
drunknweak [4k\]: i do
tumbleweed [2d\]: i like G13
tumbleweed [2d\]: 12 seems deep
Seeguu [6k\]: that because it was "consealed" in japan
GoTraining [11k\]: i like g11 better
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^
Spacemen3 [4d\]: doesn't seem impossible to live inside the left side
MagnusM84 [1k\]: g12 and aim at e10?
KoReNJe [4d\]: if it was me playing, I would play b11
Ordiac [4k\]: lol thats easy
Fantastico [4k\]: Wii + Go = Misclicks
eS0rven [6k\]: haha
flyingplum [9k\]: It is widely known. Just not in the western European heritage. But that's not much of the world.
kimball [2d\]: think, b has to reduce left side or lose the game
Hosevoll: if b doesnt invade w would win
SudenDeath [-\]: seeguu, go wasn't consealed in japan
Seeguu [6k\]: xD
EmTom [3k\]: how much time do they have now?
SudenDeath [-\]: it's a chinese game originally
Ordiac [4k\]: 60 mins each
GoTraining [11k\]: yeah
RickS [5k\]: I agree with kimball
EmTom [3k\]: i ment how much time left ;)
Higanbana [?\]: how much time is left?
rabarbar [1k\]: 60 min lol
Queselk [12k\]: we play the way we do because of the japanese though
endise [1d\]: i though eskimos found Go
idazuwaika [2d\]: where to invade the left side..
idazuwaika [2d\]: ??
akasato [2k\]: white is better nop?
SudenDeath [-\]: you play the way you don't cause you don't know better
al1 [1k\]:  how much time is left?
GoTraining [11k\]: chinese, historians know the game is atleast 2500 years long but rumors say 4000 years when the emperor taught go to his mentally retarded son

Quetz [ 3k \]: who is playing here?
chad [ 2d+\]: w moyo looks bigger than b
chad [ 2d+\]: maybe?
chad [ 2d+\]: without komi?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: komi is 8, right?
chad [ 2d+\]: dk
toxygen [22k?\]: what about f10?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: for b?
toxygen [22k?\]: yes
chad [ 2d+\]: too deep
chad [ 2d+\]: my guess
kibarosman [ 7k \]: way too deep
kibarosman [ 7k \]: b f14 at most in my opinion
kibarosman [ 7k \]: if he wanted to push from that direction...
ennuistic [ 4k \]: 8?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: i think black has to respond directly.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: E17?
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;B[gp]
;W[gq]WL[1860]
;B[fr]BL[780]C[Volume [8k\]: O_O
bouboubou [1k\]: it seems to be an even game
al1 [1k\]:  how much time is left?
kimball [2d\]: b right is not completely safe but white lefzt is bigger, need action there
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I might play F11 here, after looking at C15 and B11 it appears you need a little help on the outside
Hosevoll: g4??? pls explain me!
keselman [15k\]: g5
Ordiac [4k\]: so probably ny inved 17 years back
agod2: what's the go-game for the Wii called?
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;W[bo]
;B[aq]BL[720]C[GoTraining [11k\]: go =D
Empiror [6d\]: Gotraining, not rumor .. it's written
baltimore [3k\]: i think its called, "i'm pulling you're leg"
GoTraining [11k\]: okay 
al1 [1k\]:  how much time is left?
GoTraining [11k\]: so possibly go is 4000 years old
idazuwaika [2d\]: how strong is Wii?
kimball [2d\]: w preparing to sacrifice 4 if needed
idigo [1d\]: wiik
Ranix [8k\]: can black kill with a move like o11?
Queselk [12k\]: there is a go game for the wii?
DrOlczyk [6k\]: What 4?
akasato [2k\]: ahah
flyingplum [9k\]: (nice idigo)
al1 [1k\]: the only strong program is mogbot on 9X9, 1d maybe more
kimball [2d\]: e4
Spacemen3 [4d\]: all computers are wiik at go
al1 [1k\]: mogobot*
Ordiac [4k\]: jyem cant yer ask the relayer what time it is ?
al1 [1k\]: mogobot is 1d on 9X9
bouboubou [1k\]: lol
Ordiac [4k\]: nah bo bot can be 1d on 9 board
Empiror [6d\]: yes
Queselk [12k\]: they should make it an arcade game for the 360 so that yo can play others online
endise [1d\]: simply H4?
al1 [1k\]: play mogobot and you ll be kicked 
al1 [1k\]: chunga 7d lost one game on 9X9 against mogobot
Ordiac [4k\]: hmm id disagree first
Spacemen3 [4d\]: even the creators of mogobot don't think it's better than 5k on 9x9
kimball [2d\]: difficult choice, if h 4 etc. left is weakened
Ordiac [4k\]: 9x9 is special ability sometimes even 1d or 7d sux at it
filiformis [1k?\]: there is a nihon ki-in in the usa - seattle go center where this is being played is affiliated and so is new york go center
al1 [1k\]: play mogobot and see how much you win (I 1k win 20%)
EmTom [3k\]: i dont like 9x9
yoof [2k\]: r13 could be something
Spacemen3 [4d\]: you must suck ^^
TheClown [3d\]: o2?
al1 [1k\]: ^^
EmTom [3k\]: i do
agod2: you should be able to use the wii motion control to slam the stones on the board in order to cause massive ligthning
kimball [2d\]: if not n 3 is unpleasant
drunknweak [4k\]: spacemen, you win 25%?
TheClown [3d\]: is o2 a move?
filiformis [1k?\]: and feng yun is a pro in the usa, she heads a go school here
idazuwaika [2d\]: o2 is a move of course
riccimer [11k\]: is mymy a pro?
Seeguu [6k\]: how much time they got left?
baltimore [3k\]: here on the eastcoast
baltimore [3k\]: go eastcoast
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I beat gnugo and igowin regularly giving them 4 stones on 9x9
Faschyn [12k\]: Yes but her pro level isn't through the us go associton its from china or japan or korea
TheClown [3d\]: do anyone like o2
vondutch [2k\]: is white k10 not becoming a dangerous move to black?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: can't believe mogobot is so radically better
Hosevoll: i like clown!
Queselk [12k\]: prob china
al1 [1k\]: gnugo and igowin are dumb, mogobot is strong on 9X9
Ordiac [4k\]: where is big , geo said
Spacemen3 [4d\]: ok, I will try
Ordiac [4k\]: so where is big now ??
TheClown [3d\]: Hosevoll and me like o2 <:o)
Spacemen3 [4d\]: where can I find this mogobot?
al1 [1k\]: let me know if you lose it ;)
bouboubou [1k\]: what about time ? black is faster?
al1 [1k\]: in computer go room
idazuwaika [2d\]: i wish it was Go that i started when i was 9 , not chess... but my father didnt know Go
shindou01 [11k\]: loks like black is winning
al1 [1k\]: 13 min SD for 9X9
Hosevoll: how you say so shindou?
tumbleweed [2d\]: Gotta G5?
yahaa [1k\]: k2 can hurt if b played it
TheClown [3d\]: i feel white have slight advantage but i not sure at all
yahaa [1k\]: w should protect
Ordiac [4k\]: its about tesuji skills now ?
bouboubou [1k\]: it's hard
iaznab [3k\]: does w need h4?
Xoc [10k?\]: SE sais b+62.5 ^^
mrkibbles [-\]: who wan the last game?
TheClown [3d\]: Hosevoll and me think he should play o2
endise [1d\]: can NAMT say how much time they have left?
keselman [15k\]: K4?
kimball [2d\]: i'd put my money on b here
idazuwaika [2d\]: there is weakness at d5 too
kenrui [?\]: Feng Yun won the last game
agod2: feng yun won, mrk
drunknweak [4k\]: o2 g6 ?
TheClown [3d\]: whites territory is huge
Ordiac [4k\]: w thin on all left ?
zchen [7d\]: no, b is huge
Faschyn [12k\]: what huge whit terriotory
elefunt [11k\]: where is this game really being played, if I may ask?
Ordiac [4k\]: b is big w is thin
Faschyn [12k\]: the one with a black wall facing it lol
TheClown [3d\]: i dont think so ordiac
Trevoke [13k\]: Seattle
Queselk [12k\]: seattle
kimball [2d\]: i'd try e 6 after o2 aiming c9
akasato [2k\]: im hungry
idazuwaika [2d\]: yeah.. white territory not totally secured
elefunt [11k\]: ah, at the center?
Shinichi56 [5k\]: w have to correct his shpe
Trevoke [13k\]: Yes
akasato [2k\]: i want 2 big mac and 2 big potatoes
elefunt [11k\]: ok thx
iaznab [3k\]: what is NAMT?
baltimore [3k\]: what is google
Queselk [12k\]: a person?
kvzrock [1d\]: north america master ..
Trevoke [13k\]: North American Masters Tournament. Scroll up to the announcement!
Shinichi56 [5k\]: a tournament i think
kvzrock [1d\]: title?
xushibagua [6k\]: north american master torney
kvzrock [1d\]: tournament
Ordiac [4k\]: north america master turkey
idazuwaika [2d\]: so many people asks about NAMT
Ives08 [1k?\]: lol
iaznab [3k\]: thanks
Shinichi56 [5k\]: :)
endise [1d\]: hmm turkey
Faschyn [12k\]: So wheres is Feny Yun from?
TheClown [3d\]: white almost 50 pts on left - it is a lot
kvzrock [1d\]: i hate acronyms 
pasky [13k\]: trevoke: there's not even the last turn in the scrollback
baltimore [3k\]: she has a school in new jersey
kenrui [?\]: New Jersey
yoof [2k\]: could white play R5 here?
baltimore [3k\]: acronyms.com
idazuwaika [2d\]: acronym is good
TheClown [3d\]: can be even bigger
elefunt [11k\]: acronyms really make me LOL
xzc: k4 seems enough for w?
keselman [15k\]: K2?
Ordiac [4k\]: worst acronym iknow .. is kgs
kenrui [?\]: ihabisut
twitatyro [12k\]: how was last night result? i wasnt home
Faschyn [12k\]: whites got a possible about 39 secure po ints on the left right now
Ordiac [4k\]: is it kyu go server ,kibbitx go server ?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: G5 or H4?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: h4?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: or maybe K4 first?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: very hard to live internally.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: you mean w at the bottom?
whafrog [ 8k+\]: w g5 is suicide
chad [ 2d+\]: aji around g9 developin?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: H4 doesn't work for w
kibarosman [ 7k \]: so maybe G5 followed by G2?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: wy doesn't it work?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: loses a corner?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes
kibarosman [ 7k \]: b can play G4-G5-G6, then D5-D6-D7, and w loses either C5 group or his E4 group
ennuistic [ 4k \]: what if after e6 he extends the bottom group?
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;W[lj]WL[1320]C[Balia [4k\]: KGS is not an acronym anymore
answer: feng yun won by 8 pts with white twt
Queselk [12k\]: kiseido
TheClown [3d\]: 39 is very pessimistic
kenrui [?\]: killer go serever
Fantastico [4k\]: whoah
Hosevoll: uh kinda slow
tumbleweed [2d\]: big
Necroz [1k\]: not at all
Necroz [1k\]: big
Wrenn [10k\]: makes black connect
TheClown [3d\]: appearently j3 can look for itself
Hosevoll: o i see
Higanbana [?\]: 9d says not slow
Hosevoll: lom im blind

kibarosman [ 7k \]: then b plays E7 and E4 group is dead
dionysus [ 8k+\]: or maybe m10 is the better move
kibarosman [ 7k \]: :)
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;B[ee]C[Ordiac [4k\]: b reduce and not invade ?
]
;W[de]C[idazuwaika [2d\]: looks like black is prepared to be attacked
myao [?\]: jefffffff
jamesuji [1k\]: hey darkmage
Ordiac [4k\]: hmm he must be counting yose
vondutch [2k\]: ordiac: b need life first
TheClown [3d\]: g12
SoulShard [-\]: Myao!
jamesuji [1k\]: seems like everyone's on watching it
Nilatarion [7k\]: h4
xycubed [13k\]: g12 makes broken horse connection
tumbleweed [2d\]: f13, make the crown :-P

chad [ 2d+\]: h4 g4 f6 then?
chad [ 2d+\]: oops g5
kibarosman [ 7k \]: then b H5 connects so w's bottom group needs to live on its own
irishfire [19k \]: does that really gain anything for w
]
;B[fg]BL[600]C[akasato [2k\]: ..
Ordiac [4k\]: sure but e15 does not make k14 alive so its an attack ?
TheClown [3d\]: e15 d15 cost some for the efficency of white f18
akasato [2k\]: dont understand
Ives08 [1k?\]: crown. lol
Hosevoll: broken horse connection? you mean handicaped donkey jump?
al1 [1k\]: lol
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I need to learn the donkey jump ^^
Ordiac [4k\]: w pls play o8
Ordiac [4k\]: o8
elefunt [11k\]: that's what I play a lot - the donkey jump
nicat [2k\]: f15 eally smeels like aji keshi
kvzrock [1d\]: what's the donkey jump?
Wrenn [10k\]: it makes you act like an ass?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I just learned that the tofu is dead a couple of weeks ago...
vondutch [2k\]: hosevoll: don't you mean the disadvantaged donkey jump?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: ok, i'll stop guessing
chad [ 2d+\]: k4 could be ko, but w seems alive
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i've no idea what's going on
irishfire [19k \]: none of us really do
chad [ 2d+\]: after k2
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;W[ig]WL[1260]C[nicat [2k\]: really smells
Hosevoll: whats hores connection?
Queselk [12k\]: ive heard of monkey jump but not donkey
Queselk [12k\]: prob keima
tumbleweed [2d\]: G15 for the diamond!
idiot2 [3d\]: its advanced technique
Ordiac [4k\]: donkey is one space further
FengYun: hey guys.. cheer for me OK
yoof [2k\]: "donkey jump" was a joke
tumbleweed [2d\]: the crown must have a diamond :-)_
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I like you rationalising our jokes, Queselk ^^
Balia [4k\]: why is Jie Li 9d? are there AGA 9ds?
Falkor [5k?\]: I'd think a monkey jumps longer then a donkey. That's misleading..
Queselk [12k\]: thats my forte
Ordiac [4k\]: donkey jumnp usually dont work
elefunt [11k\]: of course there are AGA 9d's
Ruutana [-\]: Yep, Jie Li is 9.3 dan aga.
rabarbar [1k\]: donley jump is another name of Nobi
baltimore [3k\]: a donkey jump is more powerful, tho
FengYun: how many different jumps are there?
BuddyL [1k?\]: What is this??
baltimore [3k\]: stop talking. its your turn.
Ordiac [4k\]: like 5 or 6
endise [1d\]: nice counterattack from w
keselman [15k\]: J10?
kvzrock [1d\]: haha
BuddyL [1k?\]: tournament?
tumbleweed [2d\]: G15 only move, must complete diamond for crown
vondutch [2k\]: What is J13 for?
Faschyn [12k\]: Wow i figured the pro would be killing as black 
Ordiac [4k\]: 0 space jump , extend , 0.5 space jump hane , i space jmp ect
jergarmar [4k\]: they can hear us?
xzc: j12 looks interesting
Spacemen3 [4d\]: J13 means W is starting to kill B...
sigmundur [4k\]: ah, is this like real time game?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I don't think B will have any of it, though
FengYun: yeah real time game
Faschyn [12k\]: Of course they can't hear us there not playing here there playing on an actuall go board 
sigmundur [4k\]: kewl
vondutch [2k\]: spacemen3: so white really thinks he can kill black?
elefunt [11k\]: sig, it's being played now in Seattle
kvzrock [1d\]: so
Ordiac [4k\]: if b is 9b
yahaa [1k\]: i find its even for the omment no?
BuddyL [1k?\]: This is live?
sigmundur [4k\]: is there video feed available somewhere?
kvzrock [1d\]: NAMT, whoever that person is
Spacemen3 [4d\]: no, vondutch... probably W wants to close the center area while attacking
kvzrock [1d\]: is watching them playing?
endise [1d\]: live
Ordiac [4k\]: f b is go seigen w is doomed , im sure
elefunt [11k\]: yes
kimball [2d\]: what happens after j 12
BuddyL [1k?\]: W's left side unprecedented size
Spacemen3 [4d\]: how about H13?
BuddyL [1k?\]: so difficult to invade
FengYun: go seigen still alive?
vondutch [2k\]: yes'
Ordiac [4k\]: nah about 13 points for w
weiqidevil [1d\]: how many games does the titlematch have?
Queselk [12k\]: hes 91
al1 [1k\]: go seigen never dies
endise [1d\]: his movie is coming
kvzrock [1d\]: best of 3?
Faschyn [12k\]: 3
Harleqin [2d\]: k10 perhaps?
weiqidevil [1d\]: thx
kvzrock [1d\]: really
BuddyL [1k?\]: They say go is as strong as 10 pros, but too weak to play often
kvzrock [1d\]: movie about him?
endise [1d\]: yes
Spacemen3 [4d\]: J11 is a kind of shape..
Queselk [12k\]: he got hit by a bike
sigmundur [4k\]: well I mean, I could watch a video feed with proper commentary instead of worthless kibitz :P
kenrui [?\]: go seigen movie bad
Spacemen3 [4d\]: ... so many moves, so little time
FengYun: go seigen movie? really?
Ordiac [4k\]: j`3 is greedy ?
IHateKGS [2k\]: it's true
IHateKGS [2k\]: chinese
keselman [15k\]: L10 j10?
IHateKGS [2k\]: came out this fall
BuddyL [1k?\]: How much time do they have left?
endise [1d\]: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0439885/
Queselk [12k\]: doesnt have a lot of go

kibarosman [ 7k \]: i guess w threatened the whole K15 group, and b is saying "don't even think about it"
ennuistic [ 4k \]: white is just trying to get as much sente pts from black top middle as possible before responding at bottom
whafrog [ 8k+\]: yes
ennuistic [ 4k \]: if he simply responded on bottom black would get too good of a deal.
whafrog [ 8k+\]: b needs to live in sente
ennuistic [ 4k \]: black's group should be fine.
daktari [ 6k+\]: but wH4 bG5 wJ5 no?
oblivion [15k+\]: who is who?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i don't know, b's group open on 3 sides
whafrog [ 8k+\]: b top left doesn't look very safe to me
daktari [ 6k+\]: I think w agrees with you ;)
whafrog [ 8k+\]: vulnerable from top, bottom (G18) and side
ennuistic [ 4k \]: j12?
]
;B[ih]BL[380]
;W[hh]WL[1260]C[IHateKGS [2k\]: tian zhuangzhuang directed it
Spacemen3 [4d\]: who's kibitz are you calling worthless, sigmundur???
KinGStonE [7k\]: why not f11 instead of j13 
endise [1d\]: i wonder nobody heard of it

whafrog [ 8k+\]: nice  :-)
]
;B[ii]C[IHateKGS [2k\]: hasn't been released in america yet
syrion [?\]: my kibitz is worthless
syrion [?\]: I wouldn't give you a dime for it
Ordiac [4k\]: g14
Hosevoll: f11 gote

ennuistic [ 4k \]: now group is fine.
dniles [10k \]: who are the players?
]
;W[gg]C[KinGStonE [7k\]: dont really know about that concept
yahaa [1k\]: nice
akasato [2k\]: mega moyo
yahaa [1k\]: hi hi
tumbleweed [2d\]: J12 is not so good imho
KinGStonE [7k\]: gote=megamoyo?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: wait and see, tumbleweed
ubergeek [7k\]: gote = opposite of sente
Wrenn [10k\]: no, gote is the opposite of sente
Hosevoll: 9d so strong :)
Spacemen3 [4d\]: the local variation has not come to an end yet
Ordiac [4k\]: yes gote is big or else yer wouldnt play it
tumbleweed [2d\]: what is it's goal?
tenttacule [6k\]: but very big gote is sente 
Ordiac [4k\]: to be ahead 0.5 at the score
endise [1d\]: w has k13
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I don't know, I just see many possibilities ^^
FengYun: if black lives (im sure of it) , who's gonna win
KinGStonE [7k\]: i agree with that tenttacule
keselman [15k\]: h14
KinGStonE [7k\]: not sente but advantage
Faschyn [12k\]: balck gets h14 in sente now 

whafrog [ 8k+\]: no, and b must live in sente
ennuistic [ 4k \]: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/Schedule.php
lepin9fd [ 1k+\]: jie lie (w) and feng yun (b) i believe.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: k9 should connect the groups?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: maybe not.
whafrog [ 8k+\]: k9 good for w
]
;B[jj]C[FengYun: SE : white +3.5

kibarosman [ 7k \]: w can K13 and then K12, so b not safe yet
dniles [10k \]: web site doesn't say who is white.
]
;W[kk]C[Wrenn [10k\]: right, gote means the play ends with the oppenent having the upper hand
yahaa [1k\]: w ahead
Ordiac [4k\]: heheh i wouldnt trust SE at this stage yet
BuddyL [1k?\]: I am going to say this: B wins
TheClown [3d\]: SE is verystrong

kibarosman [ 7k \]: jie li
]
;B[hf]C[BuddyL [1k?\]: Li has some muscle behind his talk but ... FengYun is just that good
ste [1k\]: white status on g 3 is not clear either
elefunt [11k\]: I always lose against SE
Hosevoll: soon we will see both moyos becoming very small i hope ^^
Spacemen3 [4d\]: still not clear how W can close the center area
Faschyn [12k\]: he can't
KinGStonE [7k\]: what has of demostration this game, is it going to be review or something?
Faschyn [12k\]: blacks inside it now
MysticoN [1d\]: h10 
Wrenn [10k\]: it is demo so one person controls both sides
BuddyL [1k?\]: B style a little messy though, i can say that much
Wrenn [10k\]: the person who is watching the real game
yahaa [1k\]: h13 sente for w
yahaa [1k\]: then w k13
Hosevoll: p9 now?
Faschyn [12k\]: A little messy he is a 9p its flawless lol
MysticoN [1d\]: b has very severe followup if w connect
KinGStonE [7k\]: it says Jie Li-Feng Yun
Wrenn [10k\]: that is a label
keselman [15k\]: w h13 bg14?
Wrenn [10k\]: saying who originally played the game
TheClown [3d\]: h14 is move i like toplay
Wrenn [10k\]: they aren't actually here
jergarmar [4k\]: up top you can see, "control: NAMT2006"

ennuistic [ 4k \]: even if black lives in gote she's in good shape.
whafrog [ 8k+\]: yes, but b needs to do max damage to bottom w structure, needs sente for that
ennuistic [ 4k \]: fairly sure that white can only live in gote anyways.
whafrog [ 8k+\]: and w m8 is dangerous
]
;W[gf]C[Sorge [7k\]: &
Necroz [1k\]: h14 normal forcing move
TheClown [3d\]: who said h14?
KinGStonE [7k\]: i mean, if someone is reviewing an already played game, i can see one line of moves
Wrenn [10k\]: its being played npw
Wrenn [10k\]: now*
BuddyL [1k?\]: This is a broadcast from the NAM Tournament
]
;B[ge]C[keselman [15k\]: h 15 f 14?
IHateKGS [2k\]: 丰云老师，您怎么来了美国？
GuestKgs: what does Nam stand for?
NAMT2006 [?\]: NAMT
GuestKgs: the T probably stands for tourney
NAMT2006 [?\]: N(orth) A(merican) M(asters) T(ournament)
jergarmar [4k\]: ah so
GuestKgs: ah
FengYun: maybe kgs should have new feature... game description... 
BuddyL [1k?\]: Lots on the line here
BuddyL [1k?\]: Jie Li wants the win bad but ... B going to take it
eS0rven [6k\]: what are people talking about here ??
yahaa [1k\]: ..
eS0rven [6k\]: one line of what ?
yahaa [1k\]: buddy how do you count?
Xoc [10k?\]: SE: w+90.5 ^^
endise [1d\]: fingers?
keselman [15k\]: h11?
tumbleweed [2d\]: this position has the feeling white missed a better line
Xoc [10k?\]: 80.5
BuddyL [1k?\]: I don't count, I look at rank
Faschyn [12k\]: Se is an idoit it thinks blacks dead at j15 group

kibarosman [ 7k \]: H15?
]
;W[ff]C[endise [1d\]: dont swear at SE pls
Xoc [10k?\]: SE is allways soo wrong about life and death.
eS0rven [6k\]: G11 ?
]
;B[hg]BL[173]C[chad [ 2d+\]: connect
]
;W[he]WL[840]
;B[if]C[eS0rven [6k\]: C9 for B, hehe
sjsenesac2 [7k\]: whats SE
Chuushoku [13k\]: SE is god
Ives08 [1k?\]: ....
ubergeek [7k\]: Score estimate
tildebis [2k?\]: now SE B+16 :)
Hosevoll: p9 for w
Faschyn [12k\]: j9 is big now
endise [1d\]: Soul Eater
jergarmar [4k\]: SE is the "running gag" of KGS
tildebis [2k?\]: hahaha
TheClown [3d\]: g11?
yoof [2k\]: SE is the Score Estimator, under "options". It is not usually accurate until the end of the game.
Necroz [1k\]: w's j4 group is going to die too :)

waterfall [ 3k \]: black cannot strive for much more than 2 eyes there
ennuistic [ 4k \]: connect here?
chad [ 2d+\]: g11
chad [ 2d+\]: even then w sneaks in
]
;W[go]
;B[hp]
;W[jp]
;B[hn]C[syrion [?\]: blitz!
Fantastico [4k\]: whoah
zapan [8k\]: lol
nicat [2k\]: r5 and 58 also big is bl really ahead?
Faschyn [12k\]: wow what a choice black gives whit no w
syrion [?\]: isn't L6 good now?  or is the bottom group too weak for that?
Hosevoll: NAMT is funny
Harleqin [2d\]: this seems dangerous for white
TheClown [3d\]: does white think about k7
Faschyn [12k\]: choice wrong and dey lol
al1 [1k\]: NAMT what is remaining time ?

b4k4 [12k+\]: who is b
b4k4 [12k+\]: ?
]
;W[ko]C[Hosevoll: like i said moyo trade :)
syrion [?\]: i don't understand this move :0\\
TheClown [3d\]: black is losing now
NAMT2006 [?\]: When the players entery over time I will relay it
Necroz [1k\]: j5 treathens to capture j6
yoof [2k\]: dunno about White, but **I'm** thinking about k7 ...hmmm.
tumbleweed [2d\]: m8 will be huge
yahaa [1k\]: this is a threat
syrion [?\]: yes, necroz, but what about L6?
Necroz [1k\]: l5*
syrion [?\]: that would be the shape point
endise [1d\]: now getting slowly interesting
Queselk [12k\]: NAMT how are you being relayed the moves?
baltimore [3k\]: he's sitting next to them...
NAMT2006 [?\]: my cat whispers them into my ear
jergarmar [4k\]: ha!
TheClown [3d\]: whit now very easy destroy blacks moyo - game is lost for black
NAMT2006 [?\]: but today he is staying off the keyboard
YogSothoth [2k\]: w might die now ?
kvzrock [1d\]: h6 was bad
GuestKgs: why do go boards have A-T but are missing an i?
yoof [2k\]: you just need someone at the event with a laptop and a wireless :-)
FengYun: are u not bored NAMT?
syrion [?\]: because I looks like 1, guestkgs
nicat [2k\]: but this is dangerous for wh too he is not alive yet
bouboubou [1k\]: white is in trouble
TheClown [3d\]: no
yoof [2k\]: "i" is too easy to confuse with "j" so don't use both.
TheClown [3d\]: white happy now
bouboubou [1k\]: lol
bouboubou [1k\]: no
GuestKgs: i c
kvzrock [1d\]: b's shape is not good
bouboubou [1k\]: crazy
NAMT2006 [?\]: I'm never bored watching two players have a searious game of go
TheClown [3d\]: black lost now and he knows it

ennuistic [ 4k \]: threaten cut?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: does that work?
waterfall [ 3k \]: threatens M8 imho
whafrog [ 8k+\]: N8
ennuistic [ 4k \]: m8 yeah.
waterfall [ 3k \]: ... makes M8 really nasty
whafrog [ 8k+\]: ws n8 or n7?
]
;B[gn]BL[30]
;W[fn]WL[780]C[bouboubou [1k\]: he has to play around g2  and play g6  ! that's impossible
yithril [1k\]: mutual destruction
baltimore [3k\]: she
Ives08 [1k?\]: i think I like White now
yoof [2k\]: yah LOL not "crazy" but "MAD" 
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: K7
NAMT2006 [?\]: Today, Jon Boley is game recorder
jergarmar [4k\]: she?
Fantastico [4k\]: I always thought it was because lower case L is same as uppercase i
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: בשא K7
FengYun: who is Jon Boley?
NAMT2006 [?\]: Dennis Wheeler is Time Keeper
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: cat K7
NAMT2006 [?\]: Black has entered overtime
KoReNJe [4d\]: wow
BuddyL [1k?\]: They both sound white
Queselk [12k\]: is m8 sente?
yoof [2k\]: what is byo yomi?
syrion [?\]: it's the north american master's tournament buddyl
KoReNJe [4d\]: stories from Narnia 2 will be shot in Slovenia :D

ennuistic [ 4k \]: no mas
chad [ 2d+\]: ah so g9 aji comes too fruition
chad [ 2d+\]: to
whafrog [ 8k+\]: :-)
]
;B[ll]BL[578]C[syrion [?\]: there are white people in north america
syrion [?\]: heh
IHateKGS [2k\]: jon boley is 6d in washington
BuddyL [1k?\]: I'm in WA
kenrui [?\]: If b win this game b win tournament
BuddyL [1k?\]: I have not had power for the past 5 days

NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: Black has entered overtime
]
;W[kn]C[IHateKGS [2k\]: runs seattle go center

whafrog [ 8k+\]: what does that mean?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: OT.
]
;B[km]
;W[mn]WL[720]C[TheClown [3d\]: L6 N6
Hosevoll: w is great here
Fantastico [4k\]: overtime is 25 stones / 10 minutes
ubergeek [7k\]: that's nice move by w
aquarium [1k\]: sound white haha
aquarium [1k\]: funny
FengYun: L5 was a strong move
bouboubou [1k\]: sure
TheClown [3d\]: perhaps black h4 was mistake?
kvzrock [1d\]: b shoulda k5 first
kenrui [?\]: w is chasing b but not making any points

kibarosman [ 7k \]: there goes b's moyo
ennuistic [ 4k \]: extra time.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: but so does w's moyo
chad [ 2d+\]: w moyo is intact
waterfall [ 3k \]: y
kibarosman [ 7k \]: how?
]
;B[fm]BL[521]C[KinGStonE [7k\]: left jag, right jag, get ready for uppercut
jergarmar [4k\]: W invaded on right, but B will easily into left area, correct?
tildebis [2k?\]: yes :)
TheClown [3d\]: black shoul have made preparation for h4
kvzrock [1d\]: not so easy
BuddyL [1k?\]: nothing easy about left area
endise [1d\]: F7 strong too :)
FengYun: if black cut j9... white will have 2 weak groups?
Hosevoll: but still w needs an eye !
kvzrock [1d\]: b still weak
Azkael [11k\]: they are playing since when?
eS0rven [6k\]: 123 hours
kvzrock [1d\]: b 
Azkael [11k\]: 123?
eS0rven [6k\]: yep
kvzrock [1d\]: 's group is weaker than w's group
JeansebL [4k\]: isn't J1 killing white ?
bouboubou [1k\]: hmm
baltimore [3k\]: 2 hours
weiqidevil [1d\]: since 17:00 GMT
bouboubou [1k\]: so it's byoyomi ?
kvzrock [1d\]: so looks like w has an advantage
aquarium [1k\]: azkael funny question

kibarosman [ 7k \]: he can enter both from G7 and from H11, no?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: mm.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: good move.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: cannot g7.
chad [ 2d+\]: it's reduced
ronahi [12k+\]: they playing for price money???
waterfall [ 3k \]: white would have let himself pushed along the 6th row
]
;W[em]C[bonobo03 [?\]: how come FengYun is able to chat and play at the same time ?
Hosevoll: killing w since w is out?
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: E6
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: AND ךקאקר D5
Queselk [12k\]: ko?
chuyangele [3k\]: this fengyun isn't that fengyun
bouboubou [1k\]: lol
bouboubou [1k\]: no
Queselk [12k\]: wait
BuddyL [1k?\]: 9p given the option to use SE during tournament play, due to their celebrity status
Queselk [12k\]: nvm
goldencat [2k?\]: how come a bonobo can speak¿
bouboubou [1k\]: lol
goldencat [2k?\]: :)
Kita [12k\]: SE?
yoof [2k\]: I could create a guest account, name it "ChiefRefereeAtNAMT" and join this game :-) 
baltimore [3k\]: no you couldnt
endise [1d\]: no u cant
baltimore [3k\]: 10 character max
hiina [7k\]: 10 letter max
Empiror [6d\]: SE is a harmful toy.
jewdan [6k\]: f8?
answer: should b do e6?
yoof [2k\]: well I was trying to illustrate for Bonobo03, but yeah, need to think of better name :-)
keselman [15k\]: F8 ؟
FengYun: I am Feng Yun.. i will play e6
nodan [1k\]: e6 
yoof [2k\]: no wonder I couldn't get "Euphistopheles"
MysticoN [1d\]: b win by 1 liberty if he takes e7  stone
MysticoN [1d\]: she*
Hosevoll: what about NAMT2007?
TheClown [3d\]: j9?
GuestKgs: SE says white ownage, is this really going to be one sided?
tumbleweed [2d\]: e6 f5 d7 e8 d6 , get crazy
TheClown [3d\]: is j9 a move?

chad [ 2d+\]: ko
ennuistic [ 4k \]: white cant ko fight there can he?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: weak group?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: where's the ko?
chad [ 2d+\]: e6 e5
chad [ 2d+\]: e6 d6?
chad [ 2d+\]: nope ~:"
waterfall [ 3k \]: e6 -> protect ?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: e6, f5 works for w?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: does w need to fight the ko?
]
;B[ik]BL[355]C[Kita [12k\]: i guess it is
Faschyn [12k\]: wow theres this game
Fantastico [4k\]: not at all Clown =P
TheClown [3d\]: who said j9?
Faschyn [12k\]: i did like an hour ago lol
hiina [7k\]: theclown is feng yun ! :D
MattyOchre [5k\]: b wins!!!
Hosevoll: cornel, retard,Jeff what do you thin about the game?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: mm.
waterfall [ 3k \]: if white allows E8 atari, ko or not ko is not so important imho
kibarosman [ 7k \]: b just increased the ante for w
ennuistic [ 4k \]: allows black to run using semi ladder.
]
;W[mq]WL[660]C[Hosevoll: :)
jergarmar [4k\]: SE only exists in order to give kibitzers something to talk about...
Faschyn [12k\]: that move is key to this whole fight 
Cornel [7d\]: w not so bad :)
Hosevoll: thx :)
finland [2d\]: FengYun: if black cut j9... white will have 2 weak groups?
Xoc [10k?\]: SE decides life and death by a dice.
]
;B[fl]C[Empiror [6d\]: w bad enough
FengYun: empiror always against cornel
]
;W[el]C[Faschyn [12k\]: h11
Seeguu [6k\]: now we can see empiror against cornel match xD
Cornel [7d\]: :)
Empiror [6d\]: hehe
jewdan [6k\]: f9
Cornel [7d\]: I am ok with that
]
;B[fk]C[bboysketch [11k\]: Hey, is this the second or third game?
Necroz [1k\]: 7d > 6d? :)
Necroz [1k\]: or is it
Necroz [1k\]: =)
Cornel [7d\]: due to empiror I started to respect weaker players :)
FengYun: lol
Seeguu [6k\]: ^^^
LapinBleu [-\]: xDD
bouboubou [1k\]: lol
Cornel [7d\]: I mean dont underestimate
Necroz [1k\]: haha =)
jewdan [6k\]: Black looking for G12?
Cornel [7d\]: so, thx
tennis [5k\]: e6
Ordiac [4k\]: heheh kewl comet vs emperor
bouboubou [1k\]: héhé yes you are right don't underestimate me lol
Empiror [6d\]: cornel, u started to disrespect kgs rank
Cornel [7d\]: comet?:)
TheClown [3d\]: push one more time
Faschyn [12k\]: im still not conviced white can make two eyes with his m17 group of course im only 12ktu lol
tennis [5k\]: p6
jergarmar [4k\]: Cornel's comment could either be the highest compliment or the sneakiest jibe -- I can't tell which.
Cornel [7d\]: dont know about kgs ranks much
flush [4d\]: kgs ranks arent to be respected...
yoof [2k\]: I watched chess GrandMaster Robert Byrne lose a miserable, drawn-out, strangulation game (he was Black in a French) to a teenaged A player.
Cornel [7d\]: hehe
TheClown [3d\]: too much bad aji - must push one more

chad [ 2d+\]: f8 surprised me
kibarosman [ 7k \]: w might as well O4
ennuistic [ 4k \]: can he?
waterfall [ 3k \]: perhaps they both would simply have sacrificied F6
]
;W[hk]C[ennuistic [ 4k \]: e9 is very big.
]
;B[ij]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: they seems a little better these days, flush
]
;W[gj]C[Cornel [7d\]: I am not a native english speaker so sorry for the side effects :)
TheClown [3d\]: ahh
bouboubou [1k\]: great
MagnusM84 [1k\]: Still hard to say who will win :\\
flush [4d\]: lol if you ask my they got worse
TheClown [3d\]: very aggresive
]
;B[gm]C[Hosevoll: hard fighting now! 
jergarmar [4k\]: Psh... being 7d means never having to say you're sorry. <grin>
flush [4d\]: but i dunno...
bouboubou [1k\]: white is very strong
kvzrock [1d\]: b's gonna lose
Spacemen3 [4d\]: B doesn't have any problem
Ordiac [4k\]: well cornel aint you a rigngs star akak a cxomet ?
kvzrock [1d\]: looks like
Hosevoll: this is when i start to understand nothing :(
TheClown [3d\]: e10?
GBPacker [7d\]: g7?
Ranix [8k\]: b is fine
]
;W[ek]WL[600]C[GBPacker [7d\]: at least e6 first
TheClown [3d\]: this black tenuki
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I would also have liked to play E6 before G7
bouboubou [1k\]: white has to live 
]
;B[nj]BL[250]C[Faschyn [12k\]: now the fight i've been waiting for lol
Ranix [8k\]: e6 is not very important

waterfall [ 3k \]: as chad said: white's moyo was not threatened seriously
]
;W[ni]C[Ordiac [4k\]: id guess it should be easy now here for any 6d to get a 50 people simul now
]
;B[fj]C[MattyOchre [5k\]: ouch
Ranix [8k\]: oof
Hosevoll: simul now? are you crazy?
]
;W[qg]C[FlyQueen [ 7k?\]: is this a live play? seems playing very fast
]
;B[qf]
;W[qi]WL[480]C[bouboubou [1k\]: wow
]
;B[qj]BL[238]C[bouboubou [1k\]: sacrifice
yoof [2k\]: huh, my move r13, but when I least expected it
TheClown [3d\]: o8white looks good
Spacemen3 [4d\]: G11 is not _that_big
bouboubou [1k\]: if l3  lives white wins
Ranix [8k\]: not anymore spacemen
Ranix [8k\]: the damage is doe
Ranix [8k\]: done
KinGStonE [7k\]: throw r7 and see what happens?
bouboubou [1k\]: no l3  is not already aliv
Ordiac [4k\]: dont forget c11 aji ?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: it's pretty big, though -- will be played in the next 10 moves
MagnusM84 [1k\]: Force first before defend :)

chad [ 2d+\]: surprised w pulled out g9
chad [ 2d+\]: expected a sacrifice
chad [ 2d+\]: to enlarge moyo
kibarosman [ 7k \]: b g11 kills, no?
waterfall [ 3k \]: seems he wants to preserve some threat against blacks G6
]
;W[mk]C[jewdan [6k\]: Are they going to count by Chinese rules when the game is over?
YogSothoth [2k\]: g11 is big because it makes b live
FengYun: C11 aji?? what are u talking about?
Higanbana [?\]: ING rules
]
;B[nm]C[Necroz [1k\]: kingstone i think these 9d's and 9p's wont use that kind of style "throw that stone there, and let's see what happens" :D
yoof [2k\]: is White ok at k2 because of threat o4? if B fixes that, maybe W can live at the bottom?
Queselk [12k\]: o4/
Spacemen3 [4d\]: basically G11 should be W's sente if he plays it right
jewdan [6k\]: They do; it's called a probe
Queselk [12k\]: *?
TheClown [3d\]: g1
TheClown [3d\]: g11
Cornel [7d\]: oh, that top group is in trouble 
Cornel [7d\]: hmm, maybe w not doing that good 
jergarmar [4k\]: I am having a hard time believing that W can't live on the bottom...

waterfall [ 3k \]: ... helps to reduce black
ennuistic [ 4k \]: capture is huge.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: g11?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i don't see anything else
kibarosman [ 7k \]: unless he wants to push a little more with O6, O9 or something
FlyQueen [ 7k?\]: g11 is small at this time, a gota
ennuistic [ 4k \]: g11 allows for f12?
]
;W[nk]
;B[oj]C[Ranix [8k\]: wO4 to live?
Queselk [12k\]: o4 gives life?
Ranix [8k\]: but then black makes 5th line
Xeo [3k\]: b doesn't need to think?
TheClown [3d\]: g11 not that small
bouboubou [1k\]: p2 
Spacemen3 [4d\]: awww, giving B this move hurts
endise [1d\]: o9 overplay
FengYun: black can byt Q12
tumbleweed [2d\]: Will black get E14
ScatCat [6k\]: b comfortable
FengYun: cut .. not byt
]
;W[oi]WL[408]C[ScatCat [6k\]: poor w :)
FengYun: n10
bouboubou [1k\]: k2 ^^
Ordiac [4k\]: w is toasted either way
bouboubou [1k\]: time to kill
]
;B[ol]BL[183]C[Empiror [6d\]: i repeat what i said 120 moves ago, b+r
yoof [2k\]: yeah o4 is not so easy for W either
ScatCat [6k\]: didn't li win the tourney in LA lasyt month?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: you had 50% chance of being right, Empiror ^^
bouboubou [1k\]: p2 
YogSothoth [2k\]: more than that, b is stronger
kvzrock [1d\]: no
Spacemen3 [4d\]: ... and you still have
Ranix [8k\]: p2 is godawful
kvzrock [1d\]: i could be b+ anything
kvzrock [1d\]: or w+ anything
TheClown [3d\]: why is g11 not big?
hiina [7k\]: no it could be something else than resign :p
]
;W[np]C[hotspur [2d\]: cos its gote
FengYun: G11 pure gote
Ranix [8k\]: yeah 5th line for black if he threatens with p4
Ordiac [4k\]: cosit connect dead stones
ScatCat [6k\]: j11 f9 both seem alive
TheClown [3d\]: oh yes
jewdan [6k\]: I'd play f2, not G11
TheClown [3d\]: i amstupid
Empiror [6d\]: come on, weiqi isn't a game of dice rolling...
yoof [2k\]: I think o5 now
jewdan [6k\]: *f12
Queselk [12k\]: o5?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: G11 is not pure gote, because W has N7 push&cut
tumbleweed [2d\]: E14, i want black to try for bloodbath
]
;B[no]C[Higanbana [?\]: n12 nothing?
TheClown [3d\]: yeah but m9
Xoc [10k?\]: f12?
FengYun: b;acl has m9
hotspur [2d\]: N7 is no cut anymore
Xeo [3k\]: f12 bad :)
goldencat [2k?\]: that push worthless
Spacemen3 [4d\]: .. of course, at the moment N7 isn't working
hotspur [2d\]: cos of M9
Queselk [12k\]: p4
yoof [2k\]: now if  W n5, o3 is a ladder, so W o3 first?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: p4.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: w p4
ennuistic [ 4k \]: or p5?
]
;W[nq]C[Empiror [6d\]: P4 ?
]
;B[op]C[Empiror [6d\]: w should go for P4 ...
bouboubou [1k\]: res time
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I don't understand why not P4
yoof [2k\]: g11 now
TheClown [3d\]: SE like black
]
;W[fe]C[tumbleweed [2d\]: aww
Empiror [6d\]: w was worried about his life ..uncessarily
Zureiyaa [-\]: g11 is useless
Zureiyaa [-\]: s
FengYun: yay black wins.. white no tartrate
Ordiac [4k\]: id agree this w sure is strong though
TheClown [3d\]: well it is not without a point value

FlyQueen [ 7k?\]: toggle open
kibarosman [ 7k \]: N5 or G16?
chad [ 2d+\]: eating supper :-(
kibarosman [ 7k \]: supper? where are you?
]
;B[en]C[chad [ 2d+\]: uk
]
;W[fo]C[JeansebL [4k\]: white wins , dont forget komi 8 points...
Wrenn [10k\]: is the white group in the top right alive yet?
bouboubou [1k\]: 7.5
chuyangele [3k\]: does N12 kill?
JeansebL [4k\]: 8
Ranix [8k\]: d5 kill?
Higanbana [?\]: yeah, it's alive
hiina [7k\]: no
Zureiyaa [-\]: lol
]
;B[mo]C[Ranix [8k\]: I am dumb
]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[ns]C[SuperBuddy [2k\]: its 8 in this tourney
nmxx [15k\]: d5 = d6
Empiror [6d\]: not a very exciting game to watch...
bouboubou [1k\]: m6 
Nilatarion [7k\]: g11
mgelo [6k\]: what's the purpose of E6?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: black winning
]
;B[jr]C[keselman [15k\]: H5?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I think G16 bigger than G11
JedyFly [4k\]: its go for what?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: G11 now?
]
;W[ir]C[wiigii [10k?\]: komi is 8 points but W wins in the case of a tie... so literally 7.5
JedyFly [4k\]: *goes
TheClown [3d\]: why u not like game empiror
Spacemen3 [4d\]: ... if you want to play gote
]
;B[hs]C[Higanbana [?\]: n12, or else make an eye at m15
]
;W[is]WL[150]C[jergarmar [4k\]: leaving the unfished business on the upper side makes me itch...
Falkor [5k?\]: n12 shouldn't kill. m15 - n13 miai
bouboubou [1k\]: g11 time
Empiror [6d\]: i don't dislike the game .. it's just not very exciting
sigmundur [4k\]: would H2 instead of J2 been enough?
JedyFly [4k\]: This game goes for what???Title?
jergarmar [4k\]: unfished? I think I meant unfinished...
]
;B[fh]BL[23]C[keselman [15k\]: G1?
SNam [3k\]: for 3000$
JedyFly [4k\]: humm!!!!
ArsMagica [5k\]: for 1000$ actually
TheClown [3d\]: g16
mgelo [6k\]: i wouldn't mind to make this in 3 hrs
ArsMagica [5k\]: runner up gets 2k
JedyFly [4k\]: what an tournament is this?
tennis [5k\]: g12
jergarmar [4k\]: Oh.. is B offering a trade of territory here?
goldencat [2k?\]: runner up earns more than winner?
jewdan [6k\]: G16, G12
goldencat [2k?\]: ah, sorry
hikasai [15k\]: salu mot
bouboubou [1k\]: go is a trade ...

chad [ 2d+\]: f12 is great eh
kibarosman [ 7k \]: very nice
]
;W[hc]
;B[gh]C[jergarmar [4k\]: guess so...
Jefia [5k\]: ..?
kvzrock [1d\]: b has d12 now
]
;W[eg]WL[75]
;B[ps]BL[600]C[wiigii [10k?\]: they are competing for a $1000 difference is what arsmagica meant i think
Sassaifet [13k\]: stop flood shut up
Higanbana [?\]: w slightly ahead?
bouboubou [1k\]: s11 
sigmundur [4k\]: Sassaifet: maybe you should contribute to the discussion and not the flooding?
NAMT2006 [?\]: white has just entered overtime
JeansebL [4k\]: yeah SE is now right ^^
Harleqin [2d\]: i think white is about 5 points ahead
bouboubou [1k\]: and black?
Higanbana [?\]: 25 stones in 10 minutes now?
BuddyL [1k?\]: Black already in over time
Seeguu [6k\]: i wonder if my future seeing saw good enough before this game was far i said w+ 3,5
endise [1d\]: b ahead i think
ScatCat [6k\]: what's special about d12?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: n10?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: w ahead, right?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: behind.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: even after the kill in the middle
NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: White has just entered overtime
ennuistic [ 4k \]: m10 seems pretty large.
]
;W[pq]WL[600]
;B[pp]C[bouboubou [1k\]: ?
kenrui [?\]: w ahead by a few points including komi
TheClown [3d\]: byoyomi move
ScatCat [6k\]: kvzrock [1d\]: b has d12 now
Nilatarion [7k\]: hamete
FengYun: timesuji
ScatCat [6k\]: i don't understand what d12 will give b

whafrog [ 8k+\]: how does overtime work?
ennuistic [ 4k \]: how do you say it in japanese?
]
;W[ri]C[bouboubou [1k\]: héhé
jergarmar [4k\]: does Q3 make p1 sente?
nmxx [15k\]: white can play K17 ?
fever [3d?\]: nothing anymore
kvzrock [1d\]: cuz of e6 aji
Ranix [8k\]: black m6 is taty
Ranix [8k\]: tasty
ScatCat [6k\]: can you give a sequence?
Queselk [12k\]: NAMT if white wins this will the third game be on tommorow?
baltimore [3k\]: its today
baltimore [3k\]: at 5pm eastern
kvzrock [1d\]: before e13 ofcourse
NAMT2006 [?\]: 2:00 PM PST
Queselk [12k\]: thnx
YogSothoth [2k\]: suprising b played q1 if it wasn't sente
wiigii [10k?\]: thats evil
fukui [5k\]: it's the end for black
wiigii [10k?\]: i cant watch that game :P
Yuusuke [7k\]: k17 is bullshit, you mean k18 right @ nmxx?^^

ennuistic [ 4k \]: byo m something?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: byo yomi, i think
ennuistic [ 4k \]: i think thats what they mean.
]
;B[kp]C[endise [1d\]: oops
]
;W[jq]C[Empiror [6d\]: if no kill, b in trouble
Ranix [8k\]: wk18 is awesome
Nilatarion [7k\]: b start kiling
TheClown [3d\]: uff
TheClown [3d\]: thats big

ennuistic [ 4k \]: whoa.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: really?
]
;B[rj]C[wwgo19k [6k\]: h5?
bouboubou [1k\]: s9 is too huge
hanfmampf [1d\]: why k18 awesome?
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: wow M1
wiigii [10k?\]: whats wrong with Wk17
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: M1

ennuistic [ 4k \]: thats quite big.
]
;W[sj]
;B[sk]
;W[si]
;B[rl]
;W[jb]C[Empiror [6d\]: k18 big
kvzrock [1d\]: w wins
hanfmampf [1d\]: ah, big
Ranix [8k\]: yeah
Fantastico [4k\]: nice
Yuusuke [7k\]: the group is alive^^
tennis [5k\]: k5 black
Ranix [8k\]: I still want to see if black cuts k5
Empiror [6d\]: K5, no other choice
TheClown [3d\]: i agree
Ranix [8k\]: h5, k5
tennis [5k\]: h5 and k5
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: k5
tennis [5k\]: pour black
kenrui [?\]: b K5 only worth 12 points in gote
tennis [5k\]: h5 next

kibarosman [ 7k \]: b has cuts at N10 and at K5
kibarosman [ 7k \]: and yet w ignores all :)
ennuistic [ 4k \]: can't save both.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: but at least save one?
]
;B[eh]BL[435]
;W[dh]WL[494]C[nodan [1k\]: why not w k5?
nodan [1k\]: instead of k3 
eS0rven [6k\]: sente first ?
jewdan [6k\]: gote
Ranix [8k\]: I think it's bigger for black to play than for white to defend
Empiror [6d\]: fengyun hasn't competed in pro world for a while, i guess
Ranix [8k\]: that is how the move makes me feel
TheClown [3d\]: may as well consolidate in sente before
endise [1d\]: wow suddenly w ahead
bouboubou [1k\]: n10 ?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: might as well play the bigger pts first.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes
ennuistic [ 4k \]: miai.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: e10.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: are you sure b ahead?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i still like w better
FlyQueen [ 7k?\]: w is ahead on my count
FlyQueen [ 7k?\]: count yourself
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i think so, too
]
;B[jo]C[endise [1d\]: F17 are became too big
Empiror [6d\]: Q1 got a gote, that was the problem
TheClown [3d\]: black ahe with 42,5 pts
yoof [2k\]: yeah I guestimated w ahead on the board by 3 or 5, so with komi...?
syrion [?\]: Clown, SE is wrong
TheClown [3d\]: SE is alway right
Fantastico [4k\]: I think he might know that
Prodigious [2d\]: SE is always right.
Necroz [1k\]: syrion really?
Xeo [3k\]: komi already included
Necroz [1k\]: i didnt know that
FengYun: black n10 not nice?
SunXi [2d\]: se is 1p
Necroz [1k\]: i thought SE is always right

kibarosman [ 7k \]: because he has the whole F17 area captured as well
FlyQueen [ 7k?\]: opps that was big for b
]
;W[mj]C[BuddyL [1k?\]: Anyone here know how to count?
SNam [3k\]: nope
syrion [?\]: heh
vent [3k\]: 1+1=2
Xeo [3k\]: 1 ... 2... 3... much ;)
Meloku [-\]: Je Li 9d? 9d of what?
Xoc [10k?\]: Option/SE to count...
Fantastico [4k\]: 1..2..4 DANGIT
Yuusuke [7k\]: XD
weiqidevil [1d\]: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10...
nmxx [15k\]: SE gives m3 dead
bouboubou [1k\]: stop
syrion [?\]: 9d of the AGA, meloku
velobici [2k?\]: SE is impaired
Meloku [-\]: thanks : )

chad [ 2d+\]: g10 made it close
ennuistic [ 4k \]: black has sente.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: white 3 or so pts ahead right now.
chad [ 2d+\]: komi
]
;B[ej]
;W[dj]C[goldencat [2k?\]: chopsticks 9d
gfdgdsfg: 9d aga = 5d egf?
Meloku [-\]: I forgot they had 9d :-/
Nilatarion [7k\]: p1 ?
wiigii [10k?\]: 9d aga = 7d egf
Xoc [10k?\]: who coded SE?
FengYun: white L2
Jefia [5k\]: black ahead now?
Ranix [8k\]: can black kill m3 group
Empiror [6d\]: pls try not to mention SE ... computers are fools in weiqi.
bouboubou [1k\]: white + 5-7

ennuistic [ 4k \]: with komi.
]
;B[kb]C[TheClown [3d\]: they should play something on the bottom group so we can use SE again

chad [ 2d+\]: anyone know yesterdays result
]
;W[ka]C[Harleqin [2d\]: i think white is ahead by komi
jergarmar [4k\]: Xoc, 10,000 rabid monkeys
yoof [2k\]: but sente is worth a few, e.g. q12, so maybe it's quite close?
]
;B[jc]C[Ranix [8k\]: I think black can kill m3
jewdan [6k\]: White has 66 on the right side?
Xoc [10k?\]: I guess you are right...
weiqidevil [1d\]: true, empiror...
SuperBuddy [2k\]: feng yun won previous game?

codger [ BC \]: Feng Yun won
chad [ 2d+\]: cheers
]
;W[ic]C[FengYun: yeah
SuperBuddy [2k\]: ty
Volume [8k\]: by..?
Meloku [-\]: not really amazing
FengYun: 8
wiigii [10k?\]: so if feng wins again then Jie is done?
Yuusuke [7k\]: lol fake fengyun^^
FengYun: yeah
Necroz [1k\]: if black can kill m3, why wont he/she do that? :D

kibarosman [ 7k \]: so we get a third game
]
;B[rg]C[yoof [2k\]: I think you can load the previous game from NAMT2006's game history
]
;W[ok]C[Necroz [1k\]: so it cannot be killed
]
;B[pk]
;W[nl]C[idigo [1d\]: argument on authority, awesome

ennuistic [ 4k \]: ugh.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: big.
]
;B[om]C[Xoc [10k?\]: impossible to kill m3.
idigo [1d\]: but, yeah..
]
;W[hd]C[kenrui [?\]: looks like w +8 or so
yoof [2k\]: ah no, the other game in NAMT's game history is not complete.
wiigii [10k?\]: xoc: its possible... but only with a REALLY REALLY BIG KO
vent [3k\]: what about time?
bouboubou [1k\]: r12 
SuperBuddy [2k\]: yes it is
TheClown [3d\]: i think he should try kill it - so we can use SE again
kimball [2d\]: cannot, since k2 gives 1 eye, cannot escape
se [2k\]: nobody use me without any permission
Ranix [8k\]: what happens if black l2
jergarmar [4k\]: SE is 2k? who knew?
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: close game, hm?
kimball [2d\]: m2
Ranix [8k\]: black n1

kibarosman [ 7k \]: i have w up by 7-8 points
kibarosman [ 7k \]: komi is 8, right?
]
;B[ao]C[kenrui [?\]: se must be sore from being used so much :-)
JedyFly [4k\]: kkkk
]
;W[an]C[FengYun: huh .. fake SE
Ranix [8k\]: after m2
Fantastico [4k\]: w is safely ahead
TheClown [3d\]: that group have 100 of eyes
mgelo [6k\]: w M1 after L2
syrion [?\]: if SE were 2k, it should be in the bot tournament (it would win)

ennuistic [ 4k \]: 6.5
ennuistic [ 4k \]: chinese play by 7.5
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i think NAMT rules are 8
ennuistic [ 4k \]: 8 komi?
]
;B[gr]C[kimball [2d\]: o2
Ives08 [1k?\]: White is SO way ahread
Higanbana [?\]: r12?

ennuistic [ 4k \]: since when?
]
;W[ml]
;B[mm]C[se [2k\]: good idea, i'll register to this tournament :)
jewdan [6k\]: From my counting, White has 90.5 and Black has about 80...
Ranix [8k\]: ok thanks
Ranix [8k\]: I didn't see m1
Ranix [8k\]: for white
yoof [2k\]: actually I'm not sure about NAMT's game history, the previous game has long branches. So it looks like most of the previous match, maybe all, but as branches.
Trevoke [13k\]: NAMT, what is the time count?
]
;W[ei]C[chuyangele [3k\]: e11
]
;B[fi]C[Meloku [-\]: W is definitely ahead I'd say
]
;W[ho]
;B[io]C[kibarosman [ 7k \]: only for this tourney
]
;W[dn]
;B[qh]
;W[rh]
;B[pg]
;W[pi]WL[336]C[bouboubou [1k\]: sure
HappyGuy [5d\]: who black who white
wiigii [10k?\]: m12?
JeansebL [4k\]: its written
Higanbana [?\]: m12, p1
Meloku [-\]: stupid habbit HappyGuy :p
bouboubou [1k\]: white wins without komi that's funny ^^
RikiTiki [2d?\]: HG, it should be on your screen, but FengYun is black and JieLi is whigte
HappyGuy [5d\]: oh
Ranix [8k\]: I still don't see it
Kurotsu [3k\]: gb is playing retard
bouboubou [1k\]: yes
Ranix [8k\]: what happens if black m2 after white m1
yahaa [1k\]: t13 big
yahaa [1k\]: ah no
yahaa [1k\]: xd
kvzrock [1d\]: yeah
kvzrock [1d\]: top was big
Ranix [8k\]: bL2, wM1, bM2
mgelo [6k\]: B has 83
kvzrock [1d\]: cuz b loses all the threats against m13 group
yahaa [1k\]: m12
yahaa [1k\]: ?
kvzrock [1d\]: n16 for example
wiigii [10k?\]: ranix: there is nothing on the bottom no matter how hard b tries...
blankflash [5k\]: W+4?
JedyFly [4k\]: top left is worth about 65
Idn [1k\]: no, that's incridible !
endise [1d\]: 85 has white
Idn [1k\]: j'entraine mon anglais désolé ; )
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I counted W+7.5
JedyFly [4k\]: with komi?
vent [3k\]: lol
bouboubou [1k\]: lol
vent [3k\]: on te soutient idn
Ruutana [-\]: 8 point komi.
Empiror [6d\]: non
RikiTiki [2d?\]: b has N16 in sente, then N12 kills, no?
kvzrock [1d\]: so w's 15 pt ahead
kvzrock [1d\]: ?
f0rk [5k\]: 77 w
Idn [1k\]: thank you very much everybody !
Ranix [8k\]: I don't like it I need to know why the bottom is alive
f0rk [5k\]: + komi
Ranix [8k\]: :(
bouboubou [1k\]: c'est parti les francais en force lol
Beepee12k [2d\]: no Idn, you hare verri strongue at innglische
mgelo [6k\]: w 76 on board
vent [3k\]: on va pas abuser non plus
yahaa [1k\]: allez on se lance
yahaa [1k\]: :p
mgelo [6k\]: so W+1
kvzrock [1d\]: p2's the best try
Idn [1k\]: yeah ! j'understand all de ske ta say!
yoof [2k\]: if B N2, then M2 looks alive to me.
Trevoke [13k\]: Les francais svp, pas la peine de troller.
wiigii [10k?\]: ranix: try variations by viewing the game offline... go to options and click view offline
bouboubou [1k\]: lol
Empiror [6d\]: if b can't kill, w alive
danettte [3k\]: vive la france
al1 [1k\]: mdr
Ranix [8k\]: I did
Idn [1k\]: : )
se [2k\]: ne vxez pas la population locale plz
Ranix [8k\]: I see white in seki
baltimore [3k\]: what makes seki, then?
kvzrock [1d\]: p2 first
vent [3k\]: sinon apres y a du russe et du chinois qui va debarquer et on va se retrouvé en pleine tour de babel
kvzrock [1d\]: n2
Ranix [8k\]: after every combination I play after black L2 is seki
kvzrock [1d\]: m1
Ranix [8k\]: or ko for seki
mgelo [6k\]: ok what after w m1?
endise [1d\]: b o2 is playable
Ranix [8k\]: black m2
GuestKgs: A19 is huge for black ^^
hotspur [2d\]: no way for seki whatsoever
danettte [3k\]: faut promouvoir notre langue
wiigii [10k?\]: n2 and white lives
vent [3k\]: m2 l2 
Spacemen3 [4d\]: l2 m2 m1 l1 ... no way seki
yoof [2k\]: if m1, L2 is easy.
kvzrock [1d\]: i don't see anything
endise [1d\]: what about b O2?
Ranix [8k\]: if white m2, black n1
wiigii [10k?\]: ranix: it doesnt exists... give it up :)
hotspur [2d\]: o2 n2 alive
yoof [2k\]: if 02, n2, p1, L2.
idigo [1d\]: n1 then m1
R3dDragon [2d\]: if black gets 2 moves in a row...
endise [1d\]: yes but good yose points :9
MattyOchre [5k\]: m12 sente
Ranix [8k\]: then black p1
Ranix [8k\]: double atari
R3dDragon [2d\]: white still has at least ko
Ranix [8k\]: oh
TheClown [3d\]: is liberty h2 important at all?
Angrolfin [7k\]: can black win?
FuriKuri [1d\]: w+ 7,5 is what i counted...any other counts?
Ranix [8k\]: then white lives
YogSothoth [2k\]: komi is 8
bouboubou [1k\]: i count 8.5
Idn [1k\]: enfaite sa dépend
hotspur [2d\]: seki is a far far away dream
se [2k\]: i have w +6.5
Ranix [8k\]: ok that is the only way to live then and I missed it
YogSothoth [2k\]: no .5 wins
bouboubou [1k\]: me 8.5
endise [1d\]: jie lie maing sensation again
ricketrack [4k\]: have white + 5.5
Ruutana [-\]: Komi is 8.
MagnusM84 [1k\]: I count something like w+3
TheClown [3d\]: i cant even see h2 be iportant
mgelo [6k\]: one more game, one more game!

ennuistic [ 4k \]: t13.
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;B[sg]BL[153]C[ennuistic [ 4k \]: game over.
goose [22k?\]: This is a good game!!
kibarosman [ 7k \]: N19
ennuistic [ 4k \]: then m12.
]
;W[hr]
;B[gs]C[Idn [1k\]: a moi que sa soit différent
Idn [1k\]: moins
SupRAS [4k\]: idn faut que tu entraines ton français aussi
KoReNJe [4d\]: why black won't resign?
baltimore [3k\]: she wants a title
KoReNJe [4d\]: this is one of the most boring pro games I've seen
au2 [1d\]: and the money
Idn [1k\]: arf, c'estdonc ça ! je prend note, mais j'ai un clavier pourri ça aide pas
MagnusM84 [1k\]: N19! :>
SupRAS [4k\]: lol
kvzrock [1d\]: she already has $2000 in her pocket
Empiror [6d\]: hehe, this doesn't look like a pro game
Xoc [10k?\]: because b is using SE and thinks he is ahead + 41.5
RikiTiki [2d?\]: by not resigning, the game helps us weak ones see how it all plays out
yoof [2k\]: W ahead by 6ish, I estimate by correcting SE with the bottom edge.
Idn [1k\]: $2000 ouah! that's incridible !!
Idn [1k\]: :p

kibarosman [ 7k \]: actually N19 is gote, too
ennuistic [ 4k \]: unless komi is actually 8
kibarosman [ 7k \]: because P18 is atari
ennuistic [ 4k \]: i think black wins.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i think w wins easily
kibarosman [ 7k \]: +6-7 points
ennuistic [ 4k \]: really/
]
;W[ph]C[RikiTiki [2d?\]: if black resigned, then some of us would be scratching our heads
]
;B[kf]C[Undo: L16
ennuistic [ 4k \]: based on an actual count?
]
;W[kd]
;B[lh]C[kibarosman [ 7k \]: no, from igs estimator
]
;W[mh]C[sigmundur [4k\]: small potatoes I'd say if this is some really big tourn of go
]
;B[ma]
;W[la]WL[565]C[BuddyL [1k?\]: Is B winning yet?
washandgo: b will win

ennuistic [ 4k \]: run it again?
]
;B[na]BL[599]C[RikiTiki [2d?\]: besides, she may have a trick still up here sleeve

ennuistic [ 4k \]: =)
]
;W[os]C[Empiror [6d\]: prize for ying cup champ is $400k

ennuistic [ 4k \]: eh?
]
;B[ap]C[KoReNJe [4d\]: w will win
]
;W[md]C[method [-\]: yoof high five
shindou01 [11k\]: white winning
]
;B[qg]
;W[mc]
;B[qa]
;W[kj]C[kibarosman [ 7k \]: yep, w +7 (w/ 8 komi)
]
;B[lk]C[bouboubou [1k\]: 6.5
Ranix [8k\]: I think white is winning
RikiTiki [2d?\]: white way ahead by most counts
bouboubou [1k\]: great
]
;W[li]
;B[sh]
;W[id]C[Ranix [8k\]: white has 8 komi
syrion [?\]: filled half point ko--no tricks up anyone's sleeve
Ranix [8k\]: that puts it way up
]
;B[ie]
;W[ob]C[kvzrock [1d\]: w won by komi
bouboubou [1k\]: 7.5 not 8
vent [3k\]: lol il nous meme les dames
MrShintou [-\]: 8+13+4+42+23 = 90 for black
f0rk [5k\]: w + 2.5 ?
Ranix [8k\]: same thing
NAMT2006 [?\]: White wins by 7
bouboubou [1k\]: 6.5
YogSothoth [2k\]: komi is 8
bouboubou [1k\]: ok
MagnusM84 [1k\]: Cool ^^
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: who said that black has a easy game?!
bouboubou [1k\]: great
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: move 20 or something
FuriKuri [1d\]: it was empiror ^^
mgelo [6k\]: who predicted B+R ?
xushibagua [6k\]: final score?
matsumoto [6d\]: how many games total?
Hikaruwaya [5k\]: hahaha
Chrille [12k\]: new game in 2 hours 20 mins?
bouboubou [1k\]: haha 9 dans win ^^ POOR 9P ^^
NAMT2006 [?\]: Next and last game at 2:00 PM PST
MrShintou [-\]: w+ 1.5
MrShintou [-\]: right now
xushibagua [6k\]: ah
xushibagua [6k\]: thanks
Empiror [6d\]: i did ...
Kurotsu [3k\]: J18
keselman [15k\]: j18
keselman [15k\]: ?
vent [3k\]: thx
MrShintou [-\]: thats why w doesn't resign
vent [3k\]: bye avery body
kvzrock [1d\]: j18??
fukui [5k\]: +vent
wegobad [4k?\]: Thank you, NAMT2006
kvzrock [1d\]: are you all blind?
Kurotsu [3k\]: kidding
Empiror [6d\]: b played unexpectedly strange in the 2nd half of the game...
yithril [1k\]: pretty much
BuddyL [1k?\]: I'll be sad if B loses
yithril [1k\]: then get a hanky
Torinouta [1d\]: 2:00 PM today NAMT???
method [-\]: he already did
Wrenn [10k\]: the gameis over
Ranix [8k\]: j18 is not big
yithril [1k\]: j18 is nothing
endise [1d\]: are they counting?
keselman [15k\]: j18!
MrShintou [-\]: what was the count?
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: wow 9 dan won 9 pro
Ranix [8k\]: in fact I think it isn't even a point
Queselk [12k\]: and on white too
Wrenn [10k\]: white by 7
wegobad [4k?\]: Yes, today at 2:00 pm, pacific time
Ranix [8k\]: jie li is nuts
velobici [2k?\]: official final score is ?
Ranix [8k\]: maybe he is just having a good day
SNam [3k\]: what time is it now?
Torinouta [1d\]: ok, are you going mike???
method [-\]: W+7
Fantastico [4k\]: W+7
NAMT2006 [?\]: White wins by 7
Wrenn [10k\]: white wins by 7
hikaroSh50 [8k\]: but 7.5 komi
velobici [2k?\]: thank you
syrion [?\]: this just in
velobici [2k?\]: thats two for white now ;)
Wrenn [10k\]: komi is 8
syrion [?\]: Jie Li is strong :)
yoof [2k\]: thanks very much Mr NAMT
pandaah [4k\]: an amateur wins against a pro??????
Wrenn [10k\]: only 7.5 on server
wiigii [10k?\]: not uncommon pandaah
FuriKuri [1d\]: its a very strong amateur ^^
Holmes [-\]: komi is 8, w wins by 7,and yes,  amateur defeats pro
yoof [2k\]: yeah I don't understand Ing rules, but I assume NAMT was re;porting the result, not using SE :-)
HikaShin [6d\]: jie li has beaten pro's before
megablatte [21k?\]: thx, bye
MrShintou [-\]: thankx NAMT2006
gepay [2k\]: b is alittle stonger fighting in the center
Torinouta [1d\]: NAMT, guests are allowed to visit the go center to watch 3rd game, right??
Ranix [8k\]: 9d pros megablatte?
Wrenn [10k\]: and pros have beaten him, funny how that works
megablatte [21k?\]: no
answer: the game is over?
megablatte [21k?\]: :)
blubb [1k\]: wow
se [2k\]: congrats to the winner !
HikaShin [6d\]: from what i've heard je
wegobad [4k?\]: answer:  the game just ended.  White wins by 7
HikaShin [6d\]: he's beaten 9ps before
Torinouta [1d\]: wegobad, are you at Seattle??
SNam [3k\]: how old is jie li?
NAMT2006 [?\]: See you all in a couple of hours
svgo [6k\]: is it 1:1 or 2:0 right now?
wiigii [10k?\]: 1:1
au2 [1d\]: THANKS NAMT
svgo [6k\]: thx
wegobad [4k?\]: No, I'm at home... 
Shinichi56 [5k\]: thx
Ranix [8k\]: wow what a clear win
HikaShin [6d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?JieLi
Torinouta [1d\]: will you be heading up for game 3 ??
chuyangele [3k\]: b should try kill n13
Wrenn [10k\]: game's over
wegobad [4k?\]: No, I'll be at work, same as last night :-(
blubb [1k\]: hm, wasn't the komi fractional? there is no seki, so how can the score be integer?
Torinouta [1d\]: ^^'
Wrenn [10k\]: the koni is 8
blubb [1k\]: ah ok
Wrenn [10k\]: not 7.5
syrion [?\]: I believe Ing rules just say "8 komi and white wins ties"
japanmonk [5d\]: Jie Li is on fire~不死の鬥魂
syrion [?\]: so it's basically 8.5
Snowman8 [12k\]: i have a question
Wrenn [10k\]: shhot
Snowman8 [12k\]: if b goes at j18 
Snowman8 [12k\]: would that work just to gain even a little bit more
Wrenn [10k\]: how
Wrenn [10k\]: k19
wegobad [4k?\]: syrion -- it's basically 7.5...  Ing rules say 8 komi, and *Black* wins ties
Snowman8 [12k\]: thenh18 
Snowman8 [12k\]: ive played it out
Snowman8 [12k\]: it would work for b if w playes that way
Snowman8 [12k\]: the only good move 
Snowman8 [12k\]: would be
Snowman8 [12k\]: h18 for w after wards i think
Snowman8 [12k\]: but im not sure
Pianist [8d\]: i knew jie could do it
JedyFly [4k\]: When is the next game????
ste [1k\]: what's the time now (PST) please?
Assu [2d\]: b wins 8,5 points
Queselk [12k\]: w+8
Aivonix [4k\]: +
wegobad [4k?\]: time now is 11:50 in Seattle
ste [1k\]: thanks wego
Fredda [5d?\]: when are the next game, wegobad?
Wrenn [10k\]: white doesn't need to respond to H18
JedyFly [4k\]: When is the Next game?????
filiformis [1k?\]: next game is 2200z
Wrenn [10k\]: snowman
Snowman8 [12k\]: yes?
ste [1k\]: 2hours from now
JedyFly [4k\]: ok
Aivonix [4k\]: w won?
Volume [8k\]: so next game is ,,,2 hours ?
Wrenn [10k\]: yes white won
wegobad [4k?\]: Volume... yes, about 2 hours and 10 minutes
kkv [2k\]: who is jie li ?
Trevoke [13k\]: The next game is in 2 hours?!
Wrenn [10k\]: a go player
maep [7k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?JieLi
wegobad [4k?\]: JieLi is a very strong amateur who was born in China, and now lives in the USA
kkv [2k\]: ah ic thanks
wegobad [4k?\]: bye folks... enjoy the next game while i'm off helping to drive the economy :-/
Wrenn [10k\]: have fun
ste [1k\]: :)bye
Pilsun [4k\]: thanks for your contribution wegobad
Adaku [9k\]: ...what's going on here
BuddyL [1k?\]: who win?
BuddyL [1k?\]: poor B, should have won
BuddyL [1k?\]: W strong but ... B not top form today
NeoNemesis [?\]: ... not really
Kurotsu [3k\]: atatcking earlier
finland [2d\]: jie li won 9p?
konfuzius [8k\]: wow
dino742 [5k\]: yep
Zangetsu1 [7k\]: crap missed it
Zangetsu1 [7k\]: looks like a bad gamein the end 
slacker14 [-\]: who won yesterday?
RikiTiki [2d?\]: fengyun won yesterday
RikiTiki [2d?\]: or at least, i think she did
sensei212 [11k\]: b + 1 without komi
BuddyL [1k?\]: So
BuddyL [1k?\]: They playing together one more time?
BuddyL [1k?\]: this is finals?
BuddyL [1k?\]: If so, then good
SupRAS [4k\]: b lose!?
pytong: yeah black is weak
SupRAS [4k\]: it is exagerate
Boulette [4k\]: tournament game ?
tre [5k\]: yes tournament game
shindou01 [11k\]: white is winning
shindou01 [11k\]: 100%
kikos [20k\]:  by 6.5
shindou01 [11k\]: and what was the komi
kikos [20k\]: dont know 
Ho [6k\]: 7.5
XY0908 [-\]: pytong: yeah black is weak <--- I love this kind of comments ;-)
XY0908 [-\]: such a useless comment.
fhayashi [5k\]: namt finals - best of three right?
pytong: XY i know :P
pytong: i love it too
XY0908 [-\]: pytong: XY i know :P <--- I like this comment even more
tre [5k\]: b85 w48+39+7.5=87+7.5??? so doenst that mean B+2withouth komi??
tre [5k\]: eww
tre [5k\]: W+2***
promon: what was the result of yesterday's game?
tre [5k\]: feng yun won nby 6 ~_~  i think
tre [5k\]: ;D
promon: sorry? Fung won by 6 points?
tre [5k\]: yah 
promon: i see; thanks!
promon: So they will play a deciding game?
Nightmare [1k\]: SE shows Jie Li won +7.5
Kamisama [6k\]: yes
Kamisama [6k\]: but SE is without komi
Kamisama [6k\]: i believe
Ho [6k\]: with
Nightmare [1k\]: SE is ALWAYS with komi
Walas [3k\]: aga ruleset?
Tearsmay [4d\]: hello.  anyone know how long until the next game?
tre [5k\]: oh this game is over?
mover [2d\]: lol
tre [5k\]: ~_~ lmao ;D
TotoroShan [2k\]: d
TotoroShan [2k\]: so, nobody know when is the next game ?
onion80 [9k\]: can B get a ko on the bottom?
Tearsmay [4d\]: with what sequence
onion80 [9k\]: starting N1, hmm
onion80 [9k\]: N1-O2-M2
Tearsmay [4d\]: thats an easy read for you
onion80 [9k\]: yeah
dougghost [3k\]: does anyone have feng yun and jieli game from about 16 hours ago? 
dougghost [3k\]: i need to have a copy
sigmundur [4k\]: just save it
sigmundur [4k\]: all the kibitz is there
dougghost [3k\]: thanks

ennuistic [ 4k \]: mm.
ennuistic [ 4k \]: j18 work?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: no, w is alive no matter what
ennuistic [ 4k \]: bah, my territory estimator is not working =(
kibarosman [ 7k \]: NAMT, final score please?
edbamboo [ 3k+\]: careful talk
garykhuang [13k+\]: White may win 5.5 porbably
ennuistic [ 4k \]: 88 +komi for white.
FlyQueen [ 7k?\]: what are they doing now?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: probably counting
edbamboo [ 3k+\]: may  be counting
dionysus [ 8k+\]: obviously NAMT2006 is better than NAMT2006
kibarosman [ 7k \]: :)
garykhuang [13k+\]: White 82 + 6 + 7.5
AiA [ 2d \]: w lead by 5.5
garykhuang [13k+\]: Black 76 + 16
amadis [ 6k?\]: w won by 7
garykhuang [13k+\]: yes, close
ennuistic [ 4k \]: 7.5?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: ok, then see you in a couple of hours
ennuistic [ 4k \]: 6.5 right?
NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: White by 7
chad [ 2d+\]: i'll be sleeping...
ennuistic [ 4k \]: i dont understand.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: so komi was 8...
ennuistic [ 4k \]: is there handicap?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: ennui, NAMT gives 8 komi, just the way they do business
ennuistic [ 4k \]: for what reason?
fidel [ 1k?\]: time for last game is?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: have no idea
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i think 2pm PST
amadis [ 6k?\]: ing rules
NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: 2:00 PM PST
kibarosman [ 7k \]: see you later...
NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: Should be a great game
goose [22k?\]: hi
goose [22k?\]: hhi
goose [22k?\]: hi
chad [ 2d+\]: hi
jiansen1 [ 2k+\]: white H11?
jiansen1 [ 2k+\]: sorry, wrong
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