(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[ING]SZ[19]KM[8]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian]
PW[Jie Li 9d]PB[Feng Yun 9p]WR[9d]BR[9p]DT[2006-12-19]EV[2006 North American Masters Tournament]RO[3]PC[Seattle Go Center]SO[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[qp]C[waykay [3k\]: Did they Nigiri to see who went first?

KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: what's this
]
;W[dq]
;B[oq]
;W[qj]C[NAMT2006 [?\]: yes
]
;B[do]C[NAMT2006 [?\]: We are not listed at the top of the game list?
waykay [3k\]: Did you find the lack of stupid "ZOMG its a 9p" chatter offensive?
baltimore [3k\]: shh.
BuddyL [1k?\]: Nice

NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: 3rd game of the NAMT Finals]
;W[co]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]
;B[eq]
;W[cq]
;B[dn]
;W[cm]C[Ruutana [-\]: Awww. :(]
;B[fp]C[BuddyL [1k?\]: I think B is not willing to lose this time around
Dural [?\]: lol
]
;W[qm]C[Ruutana [-\]: No nadare...
]
;B[fc]
;W[cf]C[Ruutana [-\]: T_T
]
;B[db]
;W[nc]C[Dural [?\]: please tell me LL was wrong order...
Uvas [-\]: they sure play fast
IanStuart: its live?
NAMT2006 [?\]: ll was probably wrong order was away
]
;B[lc]C[kibarosman [ 7k \]: who's b, who's w?
anotherz [ 5k \]: what is the full title of NAMT
kibarosman [ 7k \]: north american masters tournament
inin [ 1k+\]: does NAMT has a offical website?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes, if you google it, you'll find it]
;W[pf]
;B[nd]
;W[qc]
;B[qd]C[waykay [3k\]: n16 is joseki right?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: NAMT, who's b in this match?]
;W[pc]
;B[od]
;W[nb]C[waykay [3k\]: (I mean before)
Pianist [8d\]: w leads
BuddyL [1k?\]: Thx pianist
BuddyL [1k?\]: I dunno, B seems especially thick
SunnyD [2d\]: B no land
Trevoke [13k\]: k4 now ?
BuddyL [1k?\]: K4 no good
Trevoke [13k\]: Why not?
SunnyD [2d\]: a juicy cut
Trevoke [13k\]: L4 then ?

NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: Black is Feng Yun 9p
kibarosman [ 7k \]: thx
kibarosman [ 7k \]: and komi is 8 again?]
;B[mc]
;W[rc]C[waykay [3k\]: Pianist, given the awesome nature of your instrument you are not allowed to be 8d.  You must be 9d.
]
;B[cc]C[BuddyL [1k?\]: Only purpose is to make the moyo, but it's still open too easily
BuddyL [1k?\]: so a wasted move
Pianist [8d\]: s17 is strange
Pianist [8d\]: gote...

rasa [17k?\]: Who's white?
anotherz [ 5k \]: thank you
kibarosman [ 7k \]: jie lie
rasa [17k?\]: Thx
Meekohi [20k+\]: Heya, who's playing here?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: third/last match in NAMT final
Meekohi [20k+\]: oo gotcha. Thanks.
anotherz [ 5k \]: Feng Yun is american?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: lives in jersey
garykhuang [13k+\]: Who had won the first and second games?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: split (obviously)
Meekohi [20k+\]: Which side is Feng Yun playing?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: b
]
;W[fd]
;B[gd]
;W[fe]
;B[hd]C[NAMT2006 [?\]: very common in Korea Eric
Pianist [8d\]: not in this case
Pianist [8d\]: R10 and R7 perfectly safe
fhayashi [5k\]: what happened in the second game?
horacelamb [1k\]: Jie Li won
waykay [3k\]: right so this game is the big money so to speak
horacelamb [1k\]: why hasn't this been made into an event?
RickS [5k\]: this is 2rd game I asume?
RickS [5k\]: *3rd
]
;W[dm]C[SunnyD [2d\]: why they bothered playing the first two games.....
waykay [3k\]: What is black's plan?  p3 komuku has a bad relationship with his thickness
desperado [2d\]: what's with the numbers...
Chrille [12k\]: kifu
Pianist [8d\]: s17 made w lose one step
waykay [3k\]: I have seen it in pro games before though
Pianist [8d\]: different case
waykay [3k\]: maybe because it has a decent follow up?
Trevoke [13k\]: The fact that B ignored it should be telling.. Not a big enough move in fuseki, I think.
GBPacker [7d\]: so this is the third game? excuse me.

rasa [17k?\]: The Info says komi is 6.5, or is it 8?
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: hey is this live?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: it was 8 in the first two
wstar [ 5d \]: who won the second oe?
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: right it's live
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: 9d won
kibarosman [ 7k \]: jie by 7
]
;B[em]
;W[el]
;B[fm]
;W[fl]C[desperado [2d\]: yes
]
;B[gl]C[KoReNJe [4d\]: hmm

wstar [ 5d \]: thx.
]
;W[gk]C[GBPacker [7d\]: is it on live?
Genius [2d\]: hehe
KoReNJe [4d\]: kgs lagging behind igs replay :P
horacelamb [1k\]: yeah it's live
desperado [2d\]: yes it's live
GBPacker [7d\]: thx.
Genius [2d\]: uh huh it's live
GBPacker [7d\]: but why feng yun still plays black?
Genius [2d\]: why not?
GBPacker [7d\]: I remember she plays b the second game too.
Shuzai [-\]: lol
Battousai [-\]: nigiri again for 3rd game
fhayashi [5k\]: nigiri for third game
GBPacker [7d\]: ok
GBPacker [7d\]: so this is the final one?
Battousai [-\]: yes
Genius [2d\]: yesh
kvzrock [1d\]: best of 3
GBPacker [7d\]: ah ha.
Kamisama [5k\]: being black should be better for win right?
Ruutana [-\]: I'd much rather take white with 8 komi...
KoReNJe [4d\]: l4 is next
kvzrock [1d\]: no

nomad [ 7d \]: excuse me, but who is B?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: feng
NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: Feng Yun is black
nomad [ 7d \]: ok, thx
]
;B[hl]BL[3060]C[fhayashi [5k\]: for the win, as they say

kibarosman [ 7k \]: nomad, will you do commentary again?
]
;W[kp]WL[3060]C[kvzrock [1d\]: komi burden
Genius [2d\]: big!!!
Genius [2d\]: what about c6 then cut?
Fling [-\]: who won the first two games ?
cnrc [4d\]: split 1-1
waykay [3k\]: 1-1
kvzrock [1d\]: FY, JL
Genius [2d\]: split
DrOlczyk [6k\]: What about N16 cut?
weiqidevil [1d\]: -.-'
GuuChan [1k?\]: o//  go Jie Li !  \\\\o
Genius [2d\]: n16 is not a cut
Fling [-\]: thanks
Genius [2d\]: it's a geta
DrOlczyk [6k\]: Obviously split. Otherwise this game would not be played.
Genius [2d\]: OBVI
Genius [2d\]: says dr olcyk
hotspur [2d\]: they are playing again? 3 games in one day?
baltimore [3k\]: only obvious if you know its a 3 game match...
DrOlczyk [6k\]: geta works? I thought Q14 broke it.
Shuzai [-\]: does anyone have the first 2 games saved?
Skadi [3k\]: this move is so nicely placed
kvzrock [1d\]: NAMT2006
fhayashi [5k\]: look at the user NAMT2006
Shuzai [-\]: he don't have it
kvzrock [1d\]: yes he does
Shuzai [-\]: oops
Shuzai [-\]: sry
Shuzai [-\]: thanks
waykay [3k\]: will black make a leaning attack around r8?
Genius [2d\]: you mena q7
Genius [2d\]: g3 also an option
waykay [3k\]: yes
Genius [2d\]: and n3 area
waykay [3k\]: obviously not r8 :P
Genius [2d\]: seems like w lives easily
Pianist [8d\]: N3
waykay [3k\]: I can't type
JeffChang [9d\]: oh, rematch?
fhayashi [5k\]: rubber match
RickS [5k\]: 3rd game
fhayashi [5k\]: best of 3
JeffChang [9d\]: ah ok, thanks, ^^
Genius [2d\]: why is it called a rubber match
DrOlczyk [6k\]: now best of one
waykay [3k\]: Jeff this is the final of a 3 series.  Whoever wins is the champ.  East coast represent :D
Genius [2d\]: fhayashi, do you know who i am
Laki91 [5d\]: what is "NAMT"?
fhayashi [5k\]: a genius?
baltimore [3k\]: go feng east coast!
Torinouta [1d\]: North American Masters Tournament.
Shuzai [-\]: yea
eS0rven [6k\]: why is Fengyun Black again ?
Shuzai [-\]: nigiri
Torinouta [1d\]: nigiri.
hotspur [2d\]: is there a webpage?
fhayashi [5k\]: nigiri for third game
eS0rven [6k\]: ok
eS0rven [6k\]: thanks
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: because of racism
Shuzai [-\]: they're both chinese
turkylurky: Jie Li must have won nigiri.  W is the lucky color this match.
DrOlczyk [6k\]: Why did they have to mput the game at the top?
waykay [3k\]: hah, turky you might be right
Pianist [8d\]: jie, like lee changho, is stronger with w
fhayashi [5k\]: who did these two beat to get in the final?
DarkGuard [2k\]: is Jie Li  a pro or just strong amateur?
waykay [3k\]: Jie is a ninja.  Doesn't need to be pro
dsaun [2k\]: he is not certified as a pro
baltimore [3k\]: he's chuck norris's father
DrOlczyk [6k\]: Well one person that Feng Yun beat to get hear is Jie Lie.
SuperBuddy [2k\]: he is of pro strength though?
dsaun [2k\]: however, he has beat some 9p's in past
waykay [3k\]: His record against Feng Yun is pretty decent considering
dsaun [2k\]: he is quite strong, yes

nomad [ 7d \]: i cannot do commentary on these two :-)
nomad [ 7d \]: kibitzing, yes, commenrary no :-)
kibarosman [ 7k \]: come on, we need someone to explain to us what's going on
cartan [16k?\]: I think white just invaded the lower side
kibarosman [ 7k \]: :)
nomad [ 7d \]: i like W's opening so far -- very fast
kibarosman [ 7k \]: for example, in this invasion, is there a rule of thumb to decide exactly where?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: why not L3 or M4 or something else? what do you consider when deciding?
nomad [ 7d \]: somewhere that you can establish a base (hopefully) in either direction
cartan [16k?\]: it's also a ladder breaker
nomad [ 7d \]: yes, possible to cut at g7
nomad [ 7d \]: though not likely :-)
cartan [16k?\]: :)
fractic [11k \]: can't G7 be captured with a loose ladder?
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: l-3 might be too low, white wants to either establish a base or run away threatening too make a base.
nomad [ 7d \]: L4 is not the only choice, O4 was also possible
kibarosman [ 7k \]: to make a base, should you approach the stong side first or the weak side?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: that is, towards H3 or N3?
nomad [ 7d \]: it's B's choice, no?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: assuming b ignores L4
rasa [17k?\]: Shouldn't b reinforce his right by attacking from there?
nomad [ 7d \]: i would not consider that at this time
Toumaru [ BC \]: Hello everyone, is this live?
nomad [ 7d \]: B is reading about invasion at left
nomad [ 7d \]: (i guess...)
]
;B[fk]BL[2700]
;W[dk]WL[3060]C[Shuzai [-\]: so quick
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: he is a good prayer
waykay [3k\]: evidently b doesn't mind w getting slightly stronger on the left
JeffChang [9d\]: right, pro strength is more significant than to be a pro, ^^
DarkGuard [2k\]: yep, he's not a pro but has pro strength
DarkGuard [2k\]: amazing
Shuzai [-\]: Feng Yun is pro strength
masek [6k\]: Pro vission of game
Genius [2d\]: i am pro strength but not pro too

kibarosman [ 7k \]: yep, looks like it :)
Heretoday [11k \]: Is he really playing with himself? (no pun intended)
]
;B[fj]C[Ellipsis [2k?\]: Well with ING rules, white isn't so bad....8 pts komi
waykay [3k\]: I think b is going to try to eat it all and will do a strong attack rather than take the cash at n3
dsaun [2k\]: dunno; i always felt pro meant a certain attitude, dedication, professionalism....and something to lose
Rookwood [3k\]: pro-strength with codeine is the best
waykay [3k\]: Well the main difference between a pro and a strong ama is that a pro *has* to win
DrOlczyk [6k\]: In a way It seems unfair, Feng has to beat Jie three times to win, but jie only has to beat Feng twice.
Torinouta [1d\]: sam: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/ ^^
Pianist [8d\]: ...

kibarosman [ 7k \]: why not just capture with G10?
Heretoday [11k \]: He already knows what he'g going to do
]
;W[di]
;B[iq]
;W[nq]C[nomad [ 7d \]: because W has strong ladder blocker at n15
]
;B[np]C[eS0rven [6k\]: wow
]
;W[mp]
;B[no]C[eS0rven [6k\]: fast
waykay [3k\]: why did b attack from thickness?
Genius [2d\]: if w survives
Rookwood [3k\]: b wants to get pushed against w on right?
Genius [2d\]: b in trouble
horacelamb [1k\]: what alternative did you see?
cnrc [4d\]: because g3 is too good a move
marius1 [?\]: is jie li 9 D amateur or pro ?
Queselk [13k\]: peep?
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: B uses the age old principle of using thickness to make territory
Torinouta [1d\]: Jie Li is AMA 9d
Margita [7k\]: what was the result of first game? I watched second...
Genius [2d\]: result is that the other dude own
dsaun [2k\]: jie li is not pro, doesn't have certificate of pro
kvzrock [1d\]: fy won
marius1 [?\]: thx tori
horacelamb [1k\]: yeah I thought white might play G3 instead of D11
]
;W[or]
;B[nr]C[waykay [3k\]: Margita, look at NAMT2006 game history
]
;W[mq]
;B[pr]C[Queselk [13k\]: there is a picture of them playing on the AGA website
]
;W[mn]C[Shuzai [-\]: that was yesterday's game
Genius [2d\]: wow
Genius [2d\]: not a bad sequence
Torinouta [1d\]: Feng Yun = 9p / 10.2d AGA, Jie Li = 9.3d AGA
Genius [2d\]: is this aga final
kvzrock [1d\]: sorta
Torinouta [1d\]: NAMT finals, yeah.
Genius [2d\]: what is NAMT
kvzrock [1d\]: shut up
Genius [2d\]: National American Masters Tournament?
DarkGuard [2k\]: north american masters 
japanmonk [5d\]: feng yun has 10.2 only because she doesn't play often in ameteur tournaments
masek [6k\]: Jie Li ama ?

anotherz [ 5k \]: how about H10 to capture
nomad [ 7d \]: much too slow
nomad [ 7d \]: at the very least B has to play f12 to capture
]
;B[os]C[Queselk [13k\]: yes
Pianist [8d\]: can w beat chuck norris?
]
;W[ip]C[DarkGuard [2k\]: yes masek
masek [6k\]: yeah great
Genius [2d\]: pianist, who is ahead?
kvzrock [1d\]: w gets sabaki easily
Queselk [13k\]: can the pope?
DarkGuard [2k\]: for info Jie Li, please visit http://senseis.xmp.net/?JieLi
Torinouta [1d\]: W can beat Chuck Norris, but might need 8 - 9 stones handicap.
Pianist [8d\]: i like w
kvzrock [1d\]: you *like* w
waykay [3k\]: w has more cash
Genius [2d\]: i like women
Dagga [1k?\]: white has more cash
Genius [2d\]: white has more certain territory
Xanthus [2d?\]: Jie Li has more cash
Genius [2d\]: lol

nomad [ 7d \]: but, it is not an urgent move
Heretoday [11k \]: Is this a game he played against Jie Li?
fractic [11k \]: is playing
kibarosman [ 7k \]: heretoday, it's a live game
kibarosman [ 7k \]: jie lie vs feng yun
Heretoday [11k \]: sh
Heretoday [11k \]: ah
Heretoday [11k \]: sorry
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: who is w?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: jie
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: thx
anotherz [ 5k \]: haha grammar corrector
]
;B[hp]C[kvzrock [1d\]: hard game for b now
DarkGuard [2k\]: amen to that
]
;W[jq]
;B[io]
;W[jo]
;B[jp]BL[2460]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: well, last game everyone thought B was ahead in the opening...
Genius [2d\]: big ko
stupidplr [2k\]: what's sabaki?
Xanthus [2d?\]: ninja
Genius [2d\]: light play
velobici [2k?\]: black play in the upper right, i dont understand.  the block at r16 
]
;W[ir]WL[2880]C[stupidplr [2k\]: sabaki=what?
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: sabaki means saving your stones from a tight spot in a slippery fashion
Genius [2d\]: light play
waykay [3k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Sabaki
Beepee12k [-\]: sabaki = light play for a stabilisation
jezebel [8k\]: sabaki = alive shape
filiformis [1k?\]: what's sabaki?
baltimore [3k\]: sabak = card game from starwars
masek [6k\]: sabaki to build life or escape
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: duh
kvzrock [1d\]: w's making b overconcentrated
Queselk [13k\]: resilient shape
DarkGuard [2k\]: sabaki = a character from hikaru no go =p
jezebel [8k\]: a korean sauce^^
Dagga [1k?\]: q14 is near of b wall, later we'll see a fight in this place, black will tryed to enclosure his moyo, i think
Shuzai [-\]: a light shape which has great eye potential
MysticoN [1d\]: l3 
Genius [2d\]: it means making good shape in an award situation
Queselk [13k\]: k2?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: L3 is very dangerous
Genius [2d\]: awkward
Spacemen3 [4d\]: for B

onesickpup [ 5k+\]: o-7 4 w
]
;B[ei]C[MysticoN [1d\]: :S
Genius [2d\]: can w ginore this
DarkGuard [2k\]: sabaki is a ugly bearded guy from hikaru no go
svgo [6k\]: sabaki=russian dogs
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: TAKE!!!
stupidplr [2k\]: thatmeans L3 group sabaki?
MysticoN [1d\]: why is it dangerous .. not enough ko treaths ?
masek [6k\]: svgo => yeah dogs 
Spacemen3 [4d\]: D12 is too big followup
]
;W[dh]C[Pianist [8d\]: komi is 8 right?
jezebel [8k\]: l 2 is +dangerous
baltimore [3k\]: yea
Queselk [13k\]: h1o?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: yes, or 7.5 as B win tie
Pianist [8d\]: how did feng yun win by 8 pts in game 1?
Pianist [8d\]: should be odd number
cnrc [4d\]: there was a seki
Genius [2d\]: lol
cnrc [4d\]: would that do it?
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: oh no ;(. Komi is 8, but game is played by AGA rules. Just putting down the first stone is worth a point
waykay [3k\]: well rule system matters in that too
Xanthus [2d?\]: yes, I think
Spacemen3 [4d\]: yes, seki can change the parity
stupidplr [2k\]: awwww.... seki..sabaki...ki,ki,,ki
Xanthus [2d?\]: when they both have one eye
turkylurky: it was even parity seki in game 1
baltimore [3k\]: i think i t was a win by 7
jezebel [8k\]: smoki too !
NAMT2006 [?\]: Ing Rules. You can have even result if there is a seki
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: or both have no eye
Pianist [8d\]: i see
Xanthus [2d?\]: if both have no eye there are 2 neutral points
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: yes
Genius [2d\]: what is going through b's head
Pinguschaf [5d\]: or 2 groupes with eye and one without ;)
Genius [2d\]: love? fear?
Genius [2d\]: the world may never know
kvzrock [1d\]: haha
Ruutana [-\]: Cookies, I would think.
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: b is constantly repeating the mantra: "must win NAMT, Must win NAMT...."
stupidplr [2k\]: rooki?
YLee [1k\]: cookies through head?
baltimore [3k\]: in a previous version of the ing ruleset, bordering the neutral point in a seki with more stones than you r opponent resulted in you owning that spot more than them. i saw a game with victory by 0.6
Queselk [13k\]: what!?
flyingfox [6d\]: white is leading by a lot imo
turkylurky: not 0.6666666666 ?
Queselk [13k\]: that sounds idiotic
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: the only decent rules are the Japanese rules. Everything else is inelegant
JeffChang [9d\]: 0.6?  that's not possible...
waykay [3k\]: black is going to have to bring out the ninja
RickS [5k\]: ya, I agree with you flyingfox
baltimore [3k\]: chuck showed it to me
Scatee [2k\]: actually the only decent are NZ
RickS [5k\]: W i ahead
Vorilhon [2d\]: .1 victory sounds great
kvzrock [1d\]: what was b's mistake?
dsaun [2k\]: the rules that give money for the sponsorhip are very elegant indeed, whatever they are
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: NZ rules suck
dsaun [2k\]: *sponsorship
stupidplr [2k\]: lol 0.6!!
Queselk [13k\]: what are the korean rules?
Genius [2d\]: what is going through b's head? he must be thinkg about l3...
Scatee [2k\]: they are a lot more logical and deterministic
Genius [2d\]: but are there enough ko threats? enough love? stay tuned
turkylurky: hikaru suxs
Spacemen3 [4d\]: the korean rules look more or less like the japanese
flyingfox [6d\]: lol l3 is impossible
DarkGuard [2k\]: queselk, korean rules are survive all the semeai's =p
unknowmplr [7k?\]: there was a photofinish in previos game. w+0.02
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: they are brutally inelegant and inconvenient
DrOlczyk [6k\]: GEnius: She must be thinking...
masek [6k\]: Nie Weiping was famous ama ...who beat 9p dan's

KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: is she dateable?
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: go to the internet and look her up
nomad [ 7d \]: is KRN an idiot?
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: haha dateable
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: w00t
nutty [ 5k+\]: w seems bigger to me
nomad [ 7d \]: from threat count, seems B can start the ko
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: why ko?
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: can b kill w if he wins the ko?
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: j4 is good enough
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: no way
kibarosman [ 7k \]: nomad, start with L3?
nomad [ 7d \]: hard to say...
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: b might play r12 :
nomad [ 7d \]: easy way is to start with k2
nomad [ 7d \]: but that may be too easy
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: but m12 still not enough to win
nomad [ 7d \]: how do you know that, krn?
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: I can count
jst4fun [20k \]: is this a live game?
fractic [11k \]: yes it's live
jst4fun [20k \]: who are playing?
]
;B[om]
;W[ip]WL[2760]
;B[hq]BL[2160]C[waykay [3k\]: ahh too fast
Queselk [13k\]: Fujiwar are you saying that the korean's are inelegant?
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: Nie was no ama
waykay [3k\]: he was an ama before pro :P
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: I dont know the Krean rules
Spacemen3 [4d\]: how can you say that the japanese rules are elegant when you don't even know the rules?
waykay [3k\]: won the wac
Queselk [13k\]: oh your talking about rules
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: I know the Japanese ones
Spacemen3 [4d\]: no
Tobamf [2k?\]: Oh! Superb! What a matchup!
Queselk [13k\]: i thought yo speaking of the players
Spacemen3 [4d\]: you think you do
Scatee [2k\]: first is a matter of taste second, suicide is a decent strategy, 3rd japanese rules have some nasty issues like bent 4+irremovable ko threats
Spacemen3 [4d\]: big difference
eS0rven [6k\]: left side so huge
Genius [2d\]: moyo so large
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: I have no problem with the bent 4
marius1 [?\]: p7 seems slow
Queselk [13k\]: do chinese rules allow triple koxD
Tobamf [2k?\]: hey Fox, I cloned this game in VanGo.Can you comment?
Xanthus [2d?\]: depends
Xanthus [2d?\]: if there is superko
Spacemen3 [4d\]: how about the different variations of X points without capturing? do you know them?
Grindel [10k\]: bent 4 is a rules I thought it was just a shape 
Xanthus [2d?\]: oh yeah, those are fun
DarkGuard [2k\]: queselk, google for cyberoro english client and play on the korea 1 server . like do 1 game here and 1 game there.
Spacemen3 [4d\]: or how about the dispute where a player refuse to fill a ko at the end of the game?
MysticoN [1d\]: w doesnt have so much points on right yet
DarkGuard [2k\]: you'll see the difference between KGS's japanese/european influenced go vs baduk
kvzrock [1d\]: b's top is not small
Queselk [13k\]: triple ko should be lost by the person who runs out of stones.....or white
marius1 [?\]: w position seems so good
Scatee [2k\]: Tobamf(senseisquote):#  There is a positional superko rule (in theory). # The referee can void games with complex ko (in practice). 
MysticoN [1d\]: b can r9  later to split
waykay [3k\]: well its a bit of a cash game and w has nice cash
Xanthus [2d?\]: I think many chinese rulesets use a form of superko
MysticoN [1d\]: and use r16  thickness
Xanthus [2d?\]: ah
Genius [2d\]: can someone strong analyze please
Genius [2d\]: 5d+ 
bouboubou [1k\]: pianist ^^
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I can live with triple ko - superko rules are logically elegant, but hard to enforce since you often don't realise you're in a cycle until after someone has violated the superko rule
Tobamf [2k?\]: I hear Jie Li is a martial artist as well
Pianist [8d\]: lol
DarkGuard [2k\]: he's a shaolin master =p
Tobamf [2k?\]: doesn't he go by the screen name Jet Li?
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: yes, he studies with Chuck Norris
Nightmare [1k\]: Jet Lu>
Uvas [-\]: did he pick up that big hot iron pot?
DarkGuard [2k\]: the youngest monk to ever graduate from grasshopper =p
wolf021 [6k\]: Jet Li or Jie Li?
pasky [13k\]: or someone please quickly win against an 8d and comment then
tildebis [2k?\]: Hi Jeff
waykay [3k\]: that's jet li, jie li is getting pudgy X_X
turkylurky: kung fu genius, like kung fu hustle movie
Xanthus [2d?\]: black is thick
velobici [2k?\]: AND since he's at UCSD he's is a champion surfer dude
horacelamb [1k\]: hey genius are you also "prestige"?
tildebis [2k?\]: Jeff : would you review this game one day ?

KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: see? no ko figting :P
jst4fun [20k \]: can someone tell me who is white, who is black? thanks
kibarosman [ 7k \]: j6 or s15?
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: s14
rasa [17k?\]: W is Jie Li and B is Feng Yun.
jst4fun [20k \]: rasa, thanks!
jst4fun [20k \]: this game title should have the playing info
kibarosman [ 7k \]: s14 better than s15? but s15 also connects to corner group, no?
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: n15?
cartan [16k?\]: just prevent invasion at R12, perhaps
nomad [ 7d \]: s15 is bigger, but W must have a plan for B r12
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: s14 or s15 are a bit too slow
nomad [ 7d \]: KRN, YOU suggested s14
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: yes
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: but I also say it's slow
nomad [ 7d \]: next time perhaps think a little before blabbering?
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: as far as I know, pros always extend to the center :P
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: don't act like you are better go player than me
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: that is obvious
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: anyway...
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;W[qo]
;B[po]C[Hardy [-\]: White is 0.000003 point ahead.
HappyGuy [5d\]: who win today?
Derrida [6k\]: jet li vs feng shui
Tobamf [2k?\]: lol derrida
tildebis [2k?\]: hahaha
HappyGuy [5d\]: anyone can tell me who win?
Queselk [13k\]: JIE Li
Genius [2d\]: i think w win
Queselk [13k\]: sry
HappyGuy [5d\]: ok thx

rasa [17k?\]: What are the time limits?
fractic [11k \]: 1 hour main time then 25 stones in 10 minutes
cuetzpalin [ BC \]: hello
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;W[ro]C[Xanthus [2d?\]: seems pretty even
HappyGuy [5d\]: how about game 1?
Nightmare [1k\]: Jet Li
Hardy [-\]: I am not completely sure of my calculations however.
Tobamf [2k?\]: this game is an excellent demonstration of my lack of Go knowledge
Queselk [13k\]: Feng Yun
ScatCat [6k\]: is the series tied at 1-1?
horacelamb [1k\]: Feng Yun won game one, Jie Li won game two
kvzrock [1d\]: heh
HappyGuy [5d\]: isee thx
velobici [2k?\]: and so we have a game three
kvzrock [1d\]: w started yose ^^
BALLZ [7k\]: and black won both?
MysticoN [1d\]: now r9  doesnt work so well for b :(
velobici [2k?\]: in best of three series
waykay [3k\]: I wonder how much stamina is coming into effect this game
Queselk [13k\]: its a best of three BALLZ
BALLZ [7k\]: read again
waykay [3k\]: Because Jie is younger, does he have an advantage in stamina?
fhayashi [5k\]: white, i think
vale91 [12k\]: how many time have they??
turkylurky: stamina, schmamina.  It is a short time limit
Queselk [13k\]: Feng Yun isnt that old
MysticoN [1d\]: or maybe it does
waykay [3k\]: Sure, I'm not that old either, but a 12 years continually whoop me :P
turkylurky: waykay: that is because you are weak -- stamina no matter
waykay [3k\]: true ^^
BliSof [2d\]: 不得贪胜

rasa [17k?\]: Thx
chad [ 2d+\]: is there a pro commentary
kibarosman [ 7k \]: are these moves to prevent R12 or just reduce b corner in sente?
nomad [ 7d \]: L2 seems severe
chad [ 2d+\]: cheers
chad [ 2d+\]: sorely missed in previous game
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: l2 loses sente and does basically little damage :p
BrianB327 [ 5k?\]: what is NAMT?
fractic [11k \]: north american masters tournament i think
rasa [17k?\]: yes
fractic [11k \]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?NAMT

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;B[kr]C[BliSof [2d\]: Stamina is effected by age, sure.
BliSof [2d\]: an 80 y.o will not have the same staying power as a 20 yo
turkylurky: ah, L2 was my point.  I was sure it was bad because I thought of it.
MysticoN [1d\]: also by how healthy you are .. and if you work out :p
Rookwood [3k\]: some 8k suggested l2 about 10 moves ago :)

tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: good guess
BrianB327 [ 5k?\]: "So far the event has been won every year by Jiang Zhujiu:"  :)
kibarosman [ 7k \]: nice call, nomad
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: ah
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: he played there
]
;W[jr]
;B[mr]C[BliSof [2d\]: but does a 20 yo have more stamina than a 10 yo?  How early is the stamina peak?
Wrenn [10k\]: but attention powers also come into play, and experience
MysticoN [1d\]: when you start smoking !
jezebel [8k\]: eh eh feng yung think like me ^^
XY0908 [-\]: 16 for men, 38 for women
Rodolphe [2d\]: is that the curent game plz?
BliSof [2d\]: curiousity:  why those numbers?
Nightmare [1k\]: lol
Queselk [13k\]: 16 for men?
mstarsup5 [1d\]: yes
fhayashi [5k\]: so there were 10 moves better than L2 back then...
BliSof [2d\]: So a 38 yo woman will be at her prime mental strength?
Xanthus [2d?\]: L2 seems on a vital point
Rodolphe [2d\]: is that the curent gae please?
BliSof [2d\]: Source, please?
Wrenn [10k\]: yes
Genius [2d\]: please, id like to see that too
Queselk [13k\]: i dont feel lke i have a load of stamina though....maybe i should go to the doctor
Genius [2d\]: work out queselk
sinsai [13k\]: w won
handi [1k\]: I don't think mental stamina is what he meant BliSof ^^

KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: whyyy
chad [ 2d+\]: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: she
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: ok ok she
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: she of unknown age :p
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: how old are u, KRN?
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: 25
chad [ 2d+\]: w weak group somewhat reminiscent of previous game
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: she can be your mom
kibarosman [ 7k \]: so is solid right side
kibarosman [ 7k \]: sorry, left side

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;W[in]C[Queselk [13k\]: im in a weight lifint class
]
;B[ho]
;W[kq]C[Queselk [13k\]: lifting*
Derrida [6k\]: source is : whitehead, process and reality
]
;B[lq]
;W[lp]
;B[lr]C[simplet [1d\]: who plays
simplet [1d\]: '?
Dagga [1k?\]: ...
Genius [2d\]: looks like b can attack r8 maybe
Genius [2d\]: q12 area
BliSof [2d\]: now now, handi, this is a Go server ;)
Tobamf [2k?\]: who plays? the greatest fighter ever, Jet Li.
Rodolphe [2d\]: lol -ç
]
;W[kl]C[turkylurky: just looked at the AGA picture -- Jie Li is getting heavier.  He is almost as fat as me now.
handi [1k\]: hey my mind is pure ^^
Pianist [8d\]: lol turky
SunnyD [2d\]: too much beer and not enough juice
Fabiano [-\]: who won the last game?
simplet [1d\]: arf sorry writen over there ^^

KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: weee
KoReNJe [ 2d+\]: I am playing with bandwson
]
;B[ml]C[Genius [2d\]: jjie li
fhayashi [5k\]: Li
]
;W[il]C[Fabiano [-\]: jie li is strong
Vogel [3k\]: how many games do they play?
RickS [5k\]: 3
fhayashi [5k\]: this is the last. best of 3
Grindel [10k\]: wonder how strong jet li's go is 
Vogel [3k\]: ah thx
Genius [2d\]: i thought it was b of 9
kvzrock [1d\]: w's making good shape
Grindel [10k\]: you think he could beat chuck norris 
MysticoN [1d\]: about as strong as Jie Li workout
MysticoN [1d\]: :p
Fabiano [-\]: they are playing quite fast for this final game
Tobamf [2k?\]: really? whjte makes good shape?
MysticoN [1d\]: okay that was maybe little rude ^^
Tobamf [2k?\]: true Fabiano
Vogel [3k\]: do they have sudden death?

chad [ 2d+\]: well keep your hands where we can see them
kibarosman [ 7k \]: who do you think had the better fuseki?
zimt [10k?\]: :)
]
;B[lm]C[velobici [2k?\]: shape move !
Grindel [10k\]: nice 
Chrille [12k\]: no
Tobamf [2k?\]: yes, sudden death results from the Jet Li Sidekick

nomad [ 7d \]: for awhile W was fast and ahead
]
;W[ik]WL[2340]
;B[hk]BL[1740]C[MysticoN [1d\]: hm
MysticoN [1d\]: w could have l7  first
MysticoN [1d\]: b*
MysticoN [1d\]: to take away more eyespace
Nightmare [1k\]: l6 ?
Chrille [12k\]: 60 min each, 25 moves 10 min
RickS [5k\]: I trust B judgement on that matter more mysticon =)
MysticoN [1d\]: but why not do it
MysticoN [1d\]: beats me ... 
simplet [1d\]: they are not too strong,but they are
koko [-\]: what is this competition for
Derrida [6k\]: white has to focus his chi now
koko [-\]: NAMT or w/e i tis 
simplet [1d\]: the best on this planet
Tearsmay [4d\]: w leads on territory atm
turkylurky: $$$
flyingfox [6d\]: this is wonderful attackiing
Genius [2d\]: b leads on heart
RickS [5k\]: W conecting at h9 would be quite big
SunnyD [2d\]: how much dough?
flyingfox [6d\]: beautiful
BliSof [2d\]: Yes, W leads territory, but under strong attack

nomad [ 7d \]: but I think B is catching up
kibarosman [ 7k \]: could yo elaborate on "fast"?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: what should we be doing to be "fast"?
nomad [ 7d \]: hmmm
nomad [ 7d \]: not sure how to explain that, some1 help me?
nomad [ 7d \]: pls?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: just tenuki a lot and try to have an even number of stones all around the board?
fractic [11k \]: develop fast?
chad [ 2d+\]: short joseki?
cartan [16k?\]: play lightly?
nomad [ 7d \]: maybe "moves are more efficient"?
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: play effortlessly?
]
;W[kj]C[Genius [2d\]: w has no eyes!
Genius [2d\]: ok maybe one eye
kvzrock [1d\]: w just make one
hgfuygq: its ok, dont get that excited
Tobamf [2k?\]: black will punch it out
Queselk [13k\]: k7?

nomad [ 7d \]: B now has r11
nutty [ 5k+\]: bigger potential (moyo)
]
;B[lk]C[Hardy [-\]: I wonder how black can gain from this attack.
sente [2d\]: cool!!!
Grindel [10k\]: black will just knock it out
turkylurky: I want to see blood!
Rookwood [3k\]: good point Hardy
haruto [13k\]: ...

cartan [16k?\]: why r11 instead of r12?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: hmm... i think i know what you mean, but i have no idea how to implement it
]
;W[kk]C[Grindel [10k\]: not gonna let him live easy 
filiformis [1k?\]: good commentary by thomas hsiang @ igs
MysticoN [1d\]: m11 
DarkGuard [2k\]: lol
DarkGuard [2k\]: Jie is looking chubby =p
fhayashi [5k\]: black played m9 so quickly.  did she expect L10?
flush [4d\]: honestly i dont see what b is doing here
Fredda [5d?\]: i cant see how b can win
DarkGuard [2k\]: http://www.usgo.org/media/Image/2006_12_18%20NAMT%20Final%20Round1.JPG
Rookwood [3k\]: before w R5 and S5, was a little fragile on right. less so now...
Tobamf [2k?\]: did anyone hear about the tradgedy that befell Feng Yun's brother? he was in an accident and became a vegetable. His name is Un Yun (onion).
Tearsmay [4d\]: even better commentary by the kgs kibitz crew though
taizen [?\]: b might get territory in upper middle
MysticoN [1d\]: probably building wall to attack right side ?
MysticoN [1d\]: is some ajo to split right side
MysticoN [1d\]: aji*
baltimore [3k\]: he's not really fat.. i saw him last week when he gave that lecture in DC
jezebel [8k\]: ajo= garlic?
aquarium [1k\]: why didnt black attack from the kth line or so
taizen [?\]: butr does he have the mojo for the ajo?
Grindel [10k\]: Tob that's quite enough 
teachys [2d\]: jie li already won two game ?
Fabiano [-\]: NAMt stands for?
Genius [2d\]: feng won 2 games
Tobamf [2k?\]: sorry Grindel :p
RickS [5k\]: north american masters tournament
Genius [2d\]: norf american master tournament
teachys [2d\]: thx
Grindel [10k\]: north american ama turny 
kvzrock [1d\]: should l7 now
Fabiano [-\]: ah thx
yithril [1k\]: i thought it was 1-1
svgo [6k\]: he looks plump in that photo, if it's him
RickS [5k\]: it is 1-1
Grindel [10k\]: ohhh masters sorry 
Hardy [-\]: White is ahead by 7.067434 points according to my calculations.
Wrenn [10k\]: uh huh
Grindel [10k\]: lol 
Genius [2d\]: where can you find his picture
turkylurky: B needs M8 or N10 to keep attack, right?
baltimore [3k\]: facebook
Wrenn [10k\]: with or without komi?
taizen [?\]: does that include komi Hardy?
Tobamf [2k?\]: both these players are really amazing
kvzrock [1d\]: otherwise l6 give life
Hardy [-\]: Of course it does.
Xoc [10k?\]: white is ahead exactly 7.5 Points.
Tobamf [2k?\]: lol
Grindel [10k\]: Hardy that pretty percise are you sure about your calculations 
Wrenn [10k\]: how 7.5, isn't komi 8?
taizen [?\]: well w does have at least 7.5 points for sure
Genius [2d\]: b lost
Tobamf [2k?\]: komi is 7.5

kibarosman [ 7k \]: much easier said than done
nutty [ 5k+\]: play away from thichness
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: k6?
nomad [ 7d \]: i am quite sure she is looking at the right side
nomad [ 7d \]: intuitively, r11, but she may have something better
scal [ 3k+\]: after the UR moves, w q14 looked bad
]
;B[rp]C[eS0rven [6k\]: r4
Derrida [6k\]: alright hardy i guess there playing with sqrt(pi) komi
Wrenn [10k\]: ummm, it wasn't for the last one
CyMpak [2d\]: too slow?
Tobamf [2k?\]: when is S14 big? or some move to strength the white right side?
MysticoN [1d\]: s4 is such a "im going to do something on right side"
Fabiano [-\]: s4 is saving the corner, very big

froggy [ 1d \]: k6 not so great for b right now..
nomad [ 7d \]: wow...
nomad [ 7d \]: i am surprised.. :-)
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: why?
wolfstar [ 3d \]: guess she was counting instead
nomad [ 7d \]: yeah
anotherz [ 5k \]: R13
rasa [17k?\]: Doesn't this give b the chance to reinforce the right side?
cartan [16k?\]: r14
nomad [ 7d \]: actually i counted, and i thought B was only about even on board...
anotherz [ 5k \]: Or S14?
]
;W[pn]C[Genius [2d\]: s4 is as big as my *beep*
flyingfox [6d\]: s4 is "i can't attack center now, so i'm gonna secure my corner"
MysticoN [1d\]: b is planning to do something on right .. otherwise it would be a empty yose move
Spirit [5d?\]: S4 feels odd imho
Fabiano [-\]: yeah, flyingfox more accurated than me
tildebis [2k?\]: hoho

nomad [ 7d \]: maybe my counting is bad, as usual
cartan [16k?\]: gnugo says black is ahead by 6 points :p
kibarosman [ 7k \]: counting what, the final score?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: now?
]
;B[ln]C[CyMpak [2d\]: w can easy handle it with sente isnt it?
tildebis [2k?\]: W attacks N8
taizen [?\]: s4 only 15 point move?
Grindel [10k\]: black only has 28 points in territory white has over 50 

chad [ 2d+\]: Q6 was strange
]
;W[mo]C[Genius [2d\]: b should jump
flush [4d\]: S4 feels right, blacks so far behind on points he needs to try to induce why to start playing soft defensive moves
BuddyL [1k?\]: How B doing now?
MysticoN [1d\]: she :p
BuddyL [1k?\]: W looking much better in my eyes :I
Spirit [5d?\]: black behind on points???

nomad [ 7d \]: q6 aims at O8, not bad
siter [12k+\]: ...
rasa [17k?\]: Didn't B have to answer q6?
]
;B[on]C[tildebis [2k?\]: Black is she ?
Genius [2d\]: right spririt?
]
;W[pp]C[kibarosman [ 7k \]: maybe now he does...
]
;B[oo]C[Grindel [10k\]: no change i didn't count those as black point 
Genius [2d\]: w has attacking spirit
Grindel [10k\]: gained 4 
Spirit [5d?\]: without s4 black needs some 10 points in the center
MysticoN [1d\]: oh
Spirit [5d?\]: should be no problem
MysticoN [1d\]: w has nice endgame at s3 
MysticoN [1d\]: or not
flyingfox [6d\]: not
Genius [2d\]: how does s3 worek
tildebis [2k?\]: not
tildebis [2k?\]: :)
Genius [2d\]: tell me mysticon
Genius [2d\]: i cant read it
racine [1d\]: T4 is nice endgame :)
MysticoN [1d\]: I said not
yithril [1k\]: wow
Genius [2d\]: oh
yithril [1k\]: douchebags
simplet [1d\]: t4 is the endgame move?
turkylurky: isn't white M8 a problem for black?
MysticoN [1d\]: probably
flyingfox [6d\]: uh huh
NAMT2006 [?\]: please be respect full in comments to both players and observers
unknowmplr [7k?\]: r3 is not a nice endgame move
flush [4d\]: i count w ahead on points by a little over 12 points
kvzrock [1d\]: hmm
yithril [1k\]: wow
Pinguschaf [5d\]: me 12.5
kvzrock [1d\]: o8?
Genius [2d\]: i count w ahead by 10.2335477147
yithril [1k\]: this probably wont die
Genius [2d\]: *Pi/3
Spirit [5d?\]: not counting black influence yes
Pinguschaf [5d\]: oh no its more like 12 and u should go sleep g and half
Grindel [10k\]: w s3 - b q3 - w t4
SunnyD [2d\]: $she$
Xoc [10k?\]: w ahead exactly 5.5 ;)
Beepee12k [-\]: rofl
Tobamf [2k?\]: if black was really behind 10 pts, he'd resign
flush [4d\]: i dont really see w center dieing anytime soon but maybe thats just me

kibarosman [ 7k \]: t4?
nomad [ 7d \]: O8 is still there
froggy [ 1d \]: ;)
jansteen [ 5d+\]: Is this the final?
rasa [17k?\]: Why q4?
fractic [11k \]: yes this is the final
jansteen [ 5d+\]: sorry, good evening :)
siter [12k+\]: R8.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes, third/last match
fractic [11k \]: 3rd round and last round i think
jansteen [ 5d+\]: thanks
chad [ 2d+\]: but aji with r11 is bad?
]
;W[nl]C[Genius [2d\]: FIGHT!
kvzrock [1d\]: yay!
Tobamf [2k?\]: black holds the power, white the territory
tildebis [2k?\]: Grindel : w s3 b T4
kvzrock [1d\]: b in trouble
Genius [2d\]: black holds a losing record
Genius [2d\]: that what hes holding
MysticoN [1d\]: wow
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i neither see a lot of useful b influence
Spirit [5d?\]: certainly not dying in the center ^^

jst4fun [20k \]: so it was 1 to 1 the first two round?
nomad [ 7d \]: here it comes
siter [12k+\]: white is O7.
wbc [19k?\]: I don't see how the white's m4 group lives after k6
]
;B[nk]C[flyingfox [6d\]: it is sad that people automatically assume a go player is a "he"
MysticoN [1d\]: nice counter attack

froggy [ 1d \]: white is lee?
]
;W[ol]C[turkylurky: as I've said before "resign" move has a poor winning percentage
Fabiano [-\]: so
yithril [1k\]: i know very few female go players ffox
yithril [1k\]: kind of sad
Pinguschaf [5d\]: @flyingfox: its a statistic reason ;)
Genius [2d\]: remember b beat lee chang ho
flyingfox [6d\]: well then, statistically it's sad
Fabiano [-\]: why she played R16? seems the wrong direction
flush [4d\]: my apologies to fengyun
MysticoN [1d\]: trade seems favorable for w
Pade [2k?\]: fox we see their names, so no assuming
flush [4d\]: i didnt mean to sexually offend anyone
kvzrock [1d\]: now b's cut off
flyingfox [6d\]: didn't offend anyone
Sparkmage [6k\]: does anyone know if a person playing W or B tends to win more in even matches despite the creation of  komi?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: wbc, w L6-L7 connects
froggy [ 1d \]: L6?
wbc [19k?\]: Okay.  Thank you.
siter [12k+\]: why.
]
;B[pl]
;W[ok]C[flyingfox [6d\]: it's just....sad
Werfeus [4d\]: b player = he, w player = she
Fabiano [-\]: r16 is too strange
Spirit [5d?\]: I agree this feels better for white. I blame S4
MssrBlanc [6k\]: black still wins more with komi
Genius [2d\]: wait is this husband and wife
cnrc [4d\]: no
Sparkmage [6k\]: ty
cnrc [4d\]: unrelated players
MysticoN [1d\]: hmm
Mef [-\]: spark - there has been alot of research into the area of what komi is a 50% win
Mef [-\]: ING comes closest I think
MysticoN [1d\]: w center alot of pts if sacrifice side :S
BliSof [2d\]: side is a HUGE amount of points
turkylurky: they are so related -- common ancestor is simply more than a few generations back
Genius [2d\]: wh's the fat one
MysticoN [1d\]: not if you compare to middle
kvzrock [1d\]: and b needs to do a lot of work to kill r7
MysticoN [1d\]: q9 
Wrenn [10k\]: its harder to keep the middle though
MysticoN [1d\]: cant back down now I think
tildebis [2k?\]: hmm kill R7 ?
BliSof [2d\]: the right is probably a little bigger

kibarosman [ 7k \]: if b k6, w L6, b k7, w L7...
siter [12k+\]: oh
nomad [ 7d \]: O8 is so strong...
cartan [16k?\]: nasty cut
wbc [19k?\]: If I was playing white, they would have died, though.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: same for all of us
nomad [ 7d \]: maybe B s4 was too relaxed
siter [12k+\]: b r8?
]
;B[nm]
;W[mm]C[BliSof [2d\]: but about equal
MysticoN [1d\]: yes
MysticoN [1d\]: sacrifice
Fabiano [-\]: why b played r16?
kunpeng [3k\]: how much time each player got?
tildebis [2k?\]: hope that W could have a nice compensation for R7

badbobo [20k \]: WHITE WIN?
chad [ 2d+\]: why not o8 before q6?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: hold your horses, bobo
]
;B[pk]
;W[oj]WL[1980]
;B[pj]BL[1260]C[Spirit [5d?\]: r16 is the only move in that position
MysticoN [1d\]: oh man
simplet [1d\]: hola sacrifice
BliSof [2d\]: This is bloody
Genius [2d\]: omg
tildebis [2k?\]: :)
BliSof [2d\]: this is massacre
turkylurky: trade
MysticoN [1d\]: what if w s9 
BliSof [2d\]: not sacrfiice
Genius [2d\]: this looks like bad trade
MysticoN [1d\]: b is losing then
tildebis [2k?\]: no
BliSof [2d\]: wait for it
DarkGuard [2k\]: yeah.. this wasn't good for white
Fabiano [-\]: but w got a much better result there
tildebis [2k?\]: side is bigger for B ...
MysticoN [1d\]: I think w can still keep side
simplet [1d\]: edge also huge
DarkGuard [2k\]: R9 maybe?
Genius [2d\]: w cant still keep side
Genius [2d\]: no way
DarkGuard [2k\]: err S9
SunnyD [2d\]: S17 to the rescue
MysticoN [1d\]: what if s9 
Mef [-\]: Side is big, but w not being weak in the center is big too
Genius [2d\]: i think q11 best
kvzrock [1d\]: if s9
Genius [2d\]: s9 is wofless
kvzrock [1d\]: p11 o11 atari
tildebis [2k?\]: Q10 nice move
kvzrock [1d\]: then r11
zchen [7d\]: very nice
tildebis [2k?\]: :)
consume [5d\]: s9 looks okay
MysticoN [1d\]: yes what I also think
tildebis [2k?\]: W had to choose now :)
Nini [1k?\]: or s8
kvzrock [1d\]: allowing p11 and o11?
MysticoN [1d\]: w is allready alive in center
THYp: cool
consume [5d\]: nah
Xoc [10k?\]: How good is w q7 in the future?
kvzrock [1d\]: so painful
consume [5d\]: s8 is countered by r11
Holmes [-\]: mmmmmmmmmmmmmh
consume [5d\]: hurts too much
Nini [1k?\]: ok
simplet [1d\]: p11,then n11 or so no
eragond: i smell blood
Genius [2d\]: yet feels so good
zchen [7d\]: s9, b has s8
tildebis [2k?\]: yeap
Genius [2d\]: yes i read s8

cartan [16k?\]: sacrifice
nomad [ 7d \]: furikawari
cartan [16k?\]: poor black
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: still I kinda of like black because those stones were weak anyway
wbc [19k?\]: Did Black just sack those five?
cartan [16k?\]: looks like it
badbobo [20k \]: BLACK LOST?
cartan [16k?\]: perhaps hoping to damage the right side now
kibarosman [ 7k \]: but he may get the right side in compensation
wbc [19k?\]: Cool.  I thought I might be missing another shot.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: or a portion of it
wolfstar [ 3d \]: knew it was coming of course after s4.  black obviously planned for this variation
froggy [ 1d \]: isn't BLACK LOST just another way to say WHITE WIN?
wolfstar [ 3d \]: isnt typing in caps just another way of saying 'i want attention?'
rasa [17k?\]: B may have planned, but did he want it?
badbobo [20k \]: Yeah
nomad [ 7d \]: i am rooting for B, but the game does not look promising for her at this point
kibarosman [ 7k \]: w dies if he Q11, right?
badbobo [20k \]: NO
kibarosman [ 7k \]: no, never mind
cartan [16k?\]: white better reinforce the side somehow
]
;W[rk]WL[1800]C[tildebis [2k?\]: hahaha
tildebis [2k?\]: :)
BliSof [2d\]: yes, s9 terrible move
Fabiano [-\]: lets see
tildebis [2k?\]: mlet's see
kvzrock [1d\]: attari first?
zchen [7d\]: 好的啊
Nini [1k?\]: too strong '_' 
GBPacker [7d\]: why s9?
yithril [1k\]: oh yeah
MysticoN [1d\]: s8 s7 
yithril [1k\]: i see
BliSof [2d\]: atari is aji keshi, I suspect
yithril [1k\]: wow
Genius [2d\]: w is going to pay for this
MysticoN [1d\]: see
GBPacker [7d\]: don't understand
MysticoN [1d\]: :;)
Fabiano [-\]: bu hao
MysticoN [1d\]: if s8 then just s7 
Genius [2d\]: nan caan
Holmes [-\]: let's see how the pro answers :)
svgo [6k\]: what would you have played, gbpacker?
Fabiano [-\]: first p11 
kvzrock [1d\]: yeah
Nini [1k?\]: q11
zchen [7d\]: no
hakky [-\]: noos playing
LiquidH20 [2d\]: I wonder what the players expressions are right now
kvzrock [1d\]: play the forcing moves
Genius [2d\]: like q11
zchen [7d\]: q11 better than p11
Fabiano [-\]: q11 sure
jergarmar [4k\]: is W going to give up those 4 stones and try to make a position with the remaining two on the right side?
Fabiano [-\]: i didnt see the ladder
Genius [2d\]: chen
Genius [2d\]: we share teh same name
eS0rven [6k\]: cool

nomad [ 7d \]: W has options, P11 and Q11 both possible
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: p11 might have been beeter
nomad [ 7d \]: or, S9 :-)
cartan [16k?\]: :)
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: now obviously p11
wbc [19k?\]: Would n10 save the five stones in the middle?
cartan [16k?\]: or q11
cartan [16k?\]: p11 just induces o10, no?
gremlin [ 1d?\]: white's shape is better
nomad [ 7d \]: s8?
badbobo [20k \]: GOOD
badbobo [20k \]: B s8?
cartan [16k?\]: r12
chad [ 2d+\]: does q11 threaten to kill?
chad [ 2d+\]: because the ladder lloks good
nomad [ 7d \]: s8 is so obvioud, i am sure Li has a plan for it
chad [ 2d+\]: looks
]
;B[qi]BL[1140]C[kvzrock [1d\]: q11 threatens ladder and s11?
yithril [1k\]: so do many many many other chinese people
zchen [7d\]: nice
Nini [1k?\]: yep
hakky [-\]: aah i was think of that move he is good
secrets [1k\]: going to be tough for w
tildebis [2k?\]: ohoh
Genius [2d\]: w is going to pay
tildebis [2k?\]: B wants Q13 area so badly :)
MysticoN [1d\]: nope
MysticoN [1d\]: s11 r9 s10 s8 s7 
MysticoN [1d\]: w can still survive
filiformis [1k?\]: (109) nomad [ 7d \]: i am rooting for B, but the game does not look promising for her at this point
kvzrock [1d\]: b has a geta 
kvzrock [1d\]: :)
Wrenn [10k\]: geta?
Mef [-\]: net
yithril [1k\]: net
Genius [2d\]: why is nomad rooting for the woman
Wrenn [10k\]: right, thanks
kvzrock [1d\]: o10 then o12
Mef [-\]: She's cuter than Jie Li
MysticoN [1d\]: I dont think w minds b capturing those stones
jergarmar [4k\]: woman? Feng Yun?
tildebis [2k?\]: even if W lives on the right, B has a good trade by capturing Q14
baltimore [3k\]: and from the east coast!
yithril [1k\]: cuz he's not a mysoginist like you
hakky [-\]: feng yun is a women name ?
DarkGuard [2k\]: genius, who wouldn't want a 9p for a wife?
RickS [5k\]: yes
Genius [2d\]: i dont
hakky [-\]: haha

cartan [16k?\]: nomad wanted to play r11 ages ago :)
kibarosman [ 7k \]: Q14 looks pretty lonely right now
nomad [ 7d \]: now B has a ko at O11
chad [ 2d+\]: I cant see it...
nomad [ 7d \]: sorry, my family is calling for dinner, i have to go...
inin [ 1k+\]: wow
cartan [16k?\]: thanks nomad
inin [ 1k+\]: goog ko
badbobo [20k \]: Bye
nomad [ 7d \]: back later, au revoir, mon pal
kibarosman [ 7k \]: bye
wbc [19k?\]: Thank you for your insight, nomad.
chad [ 2d+\]: as I said q6 is bad shape
kibarosman [ 7k \]: and hurry up
froggy [ 1d \]: ;)
fractic [11k \]: O11-O10-N10 gives ko
]
;W[oi]C[hakky [-\]: a 9pro as a wife ? 
hakky [-\]: WHAHA
Genius [2d\]: i want devon aoki
jergarmar [4k\]: wow... I guess I'm rooting for Feng Yun now (gah.. I can't help myself)
hakky [-\]: a geek wife 
DarkGuard [2k\]: feng yun is cute enough to raise my kids =D
MysticoN [1d\]: guess I was wrong :P
GuestKgs: can u cook with go skills?
tildebis [2k?\]: P11 so simple, nice :)
GBPacker [7d\]: ft, shut up darkguard
Genius [2d\]: lol
MysticoN [1d\]: r9 
DarkGuard [2k\]: lmao
Shuzai [-\]: u guys have any idea how old Feng Yun is?
tildebis [2k?\]: simpler move that I can not guess hahaha
desperado [2d\]: devon aoki is quite udly really
hakky [-\]: gbpacker the husband is not amused
DarkGuard [2k\]: enough enough?
runtt21 [?\]: look up mumu to see Feng yun's pic
Genius [2d\]: desperado, shes filthy rich, smart, and decent looking
GuestKgs: how old is she by the way?
hakky [-\]: whaha
Mef [-\]: shu - it's not polite to talk about a lady's age
hakky [-\]: older then my sock
eS0rven [6k\]: please .....
desperado [2d\]: genius, all i care is her money
MysticoN [1d\]: she is probably not that rich
Genius [2d\]: she is so loaded
tildebis [2k?\]: no one wants S8 area :)
kvzrock [1d\]: yeah
tildebis [2k?\]: funny :)
DarkGuard [2k\]: she was born in 66
kvzrock [1d\]: o11 would'a been dealy for w
tildebis [2k?\]: only last resort :)
hakky [-\]: OMG
masek [6k\]: s8 wil be later
DarkGuard [2k\]: so 40
turkylurky: black Q11?

rasa [17k?\]: Can jansteen take over?
BrianB327 [ 5k?\]: s11
kibarosman [ 7k \]: b O10 atari for P9 group
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: hopeless for b
badbobo [20k \]: WHYs11?
badbobo [20k \]: s10?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: to connect and live
]
;B[pi]C[kvzrock [1d\]: if w answered at s11
hakky [-\]: that old hag
]
;W[qq]WL[1680]LB[sp:A][rq:B]C[turkylurky: LOL, I am 9p :)
desperado [2d\]: i dont like devons face...
tildebis [2k?\]: haha
tildebis [2k?\]: sente to make eyes
tildebis [2k?\]: nice
CyMpak [2d\]: seems that w got a leadership 
fhayashi [5k\]: devon was the old guy from Knight Rider, wasn't he?
Holmes [-\]: wow
Genius [2d\]: devon is the heiress to the benihana empire
bvanh [6k\]: for more info on feng yun see www.fygc.com
kvzrock [1d\]: nice end game otherwise
koko [-\]: soooo can jie li beat willzhang? O_o
taizen [?\]: basic tesuji
DarkGuard [2k\]: I like the wiki better on feng yun
DarkGuard [2k\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Yun
kvzrock [1d\]: s3 s2 r2 t3
bvanh [6k\]: includes her date of birth but not how rich she is
Fabiano [-\]: tesuji for what?
kvzrock [1d\]: reducing b's corner
Shuzai [-\]: yes
Fabiano [-\]: but w will die
Genius [2d\]: oh no feng yun is not rich, but devon is
hakky [-\]: jet li is pretty rich
Mef [-\]: koko - I imagine Jie li is capable of beating Willzhang, but on any given meeting betweeen the two, who knows
Genius [2d\]: im goign to marry a multimillionare 
Genius [2d\]: with our forces combined, we will rule the world
birdmw [10k\]: you will settle
JeffChang [9d\]: stronger than will I guess
tromp [-\]: how would w have lived after bs11?
Genius [2d\]: settle for what birdmw
hakky [-\]: jie li > willzhang anyday
tildebis [2k?\]: P12 ?
desperado [2d\]: genius, and your role would be the same as murrays
desperado [2d\]: from monkey island
Genius [2d\]: im already wealthy; women want me
Fabiano [-\]: will is the strongest on kgs, but fondle, toolucky, etc
desperado [2d\]: ;\]
DonValley [8k\]: t4
tildebis [2k?\]: P12 would be funny :)
Genius [2d\]: i can get 95% of women out there
desperado [2d\]: sure you can
koko [-\]: uh okay 
Sparkmage [6k\]: he is a Genius
eS0rven [6k\]: genius stop plz
kvzrock [1d\]: what's the other 5%
koko [-\]: but too bad the top 5 percent of women are the hot ones :P
ladyorchid [3k\]: ^_^
Genius [2d\]: haha
hakky [-\]: the other 5% are the good ones
derPlumps [7k\]: :D
kvzrock [1d\]: yup
Genius [2d\]: i love the responses

badbobo [20k \]: bad
kibarosman [ 7k \]: nice
kibarosman [ 7k \]: reduce the whole corner in sente
badbobo [20k \]: why?
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: Q7 sente
badbobo [20k \]: OH
pear [ 2d+\]: who is black and who is white, please?
badbobo [20k \]: good idea
froggy [ 1d \]: w lee?
fractic [11k \]: Jie li is W
chiiko [ 7k+\]: both chinese
pear [ 2d+\]: thanks!
fractic [11k \]: Feng Yun B
cartan [16k?\]: q3
rasa [17k?\]: s3?
cartan [16k?\]: q3 s3 t4
badbobo [20k \]: WHO is student?
gremlin [ 1d?\]: is jie li a pro or a strong amateur?
]
(;B[sp]BL[840]C[Mef [-\]: Smart, attractive, mentally stable.....choose 2
tildebis [2k?\]: oh
flush [4d\]: you bunch of materialist
ladyorchid [3k\]: genius may get 95% of old and ugly women in the world
tildebis [2k?\]: so eyes in sente ...
MysticoN [1d\]: Smart of course
kvzrock [1d\]: there's no ugly women
Fabiano [-\]: lots of nerds here
bolbi [-\]: focus on the game please
kvzrock [1d\]: only lasy ones ...
Genius [2d\]: haha
Derrida [6k\]: thx bolbi
tildebis [2k?\]: bolbi : that's what I do :)
birdmw [10k\]: you will settle
hakky [-\]: omg bolbi dont try to get attention you are distrecting

kibarosman [ 7k \]: he's ama
rasa [17k?\]: Very, very strong ama
chad [ 2d+\]: weird again
fractic [11k \]: he won last year
kibarosman [ 7k \]: very nice
cartan [16k?\]: t4 is better than a3
cartan [16k?\]: q3
rasa [17k?\]: If Wq3, bad for b?
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: trying to kill w R5 group
wbc [19k?\]: I knew s3 was not the move because that's what I would have played.
kibarosman [ 7k \]: w still dead, but b keeps corner
]
;W[pq]C[Genius [2d\]: bolbi is a mod hakky..
]
;B[rq]
;W[pm]C[hakky [-\]: yeah but ruining the game
]
;B[qr]
;W[rm]
;B[oh]C[yithril [1k\]: wow
yithril [1k\]: cool
Genius [2d\]: w lives
yithril [1k\]: was hoping for more death
Genius [2d\]: b should resign
tildebis [2k?\]: yes
yithril [1k\]: but hey
abbadan [-\]: omg
Mathdude90 [7k?\]: wow those were some quick moves
Fabiano [-\]: w should not live
tildebis [2k?\]: but P12 is big
flyingfox [6d\]: white in pain
simplet [1d\]: yes,huge
flyingfox [6d\]: agony
turkylurky: resign have poor winning percentage
koko [-\]: feng yun related to bao yun?
tildebis [2k?\]: ?
Torinouta [1d\]: no.
koko [-\]: kk
yithril [1k\]: ?
Fabiano [-\]: yun is the name
Fabiano [-\]: bao the surname
tildebis [2k?\]: hahaha
]
;W[mj]
;B[mi]
;W[mk]C[Mef [-\]: First name = family name
eS0rven [6k\]: wow
hakky [-\]: feng is the game -_-
MysticoN [1d\]: wow
koko [-\]: wow?
Genius [2d\]: b jas big moyo
Torinouta [1d\]: what is this?? =/
MysticoN [1d\]: b made some good profit

cartan [16k?\]: poor q14
kibarosman [ 7k \]: it'll be his turn very soon
]
;B[rj]BL[780]C[eS0rven [6k\]: did namt click fast or did they play fast ?

wbc [19k?\]: m10
]
;W[qk]WL[1560]C[Mef [-\]: NAMT is relaying, so not really realtime
yithril [1k\]: b still not very big
waykay [3k\]: reasonably close to it
hakky [-\]: are there any good bengali go players ?
koko [-\]: what does winner of the competition get
kvzrock [1d\]: $3000
Genius [2d\]: they get cash
eS0rven [6k\]: pin's
Mef [-\]: 3 grand
turkylurky: $$$
koko [-\]: oh thats pretty decent
Fabiano [-\]: 3000!
Genius [2d\]: they get the satisfaction of being the best in america
Mef [-\]: for a North american tourny....yeah
kvzrock [1d\]: peanuts
simplet [1d\]: black now sente
turkylurky: huge for USA tournament
flush [4d\]: no money for playing?
Torinouta [1d\]: $75 and a Slate&Shell gift certificate for the runner up?
fhayashi [5k\]: heh
kvzrock [1d\]: should in the 5 figures 
masek [6k\]: this game worth greater than some money
Mef [-\]: $1000 for runner up?
eS0rven [6k\]: R8 S9 ?
baltimore [3k\]: 2 grand for runner up
fhayashi [5k\]: how many months of kgs plus?
eS0rven [6k\]: ko ?
Genius [2d\]: one day i will make $3,000 an hour
taizen [?\]: i think this is good for w.  b got something in P13 area but his stones are too close together
koko [-\]: should get like a austin martin
masek [6k\]: amazing game
Torinouta [1d\]: "aston martin" isnt it? ^^
SuperBuddy [2k\]: S17 looking like it is coming back to help w
koko [-\]: lol
hakky [-\]: genius maybe with a big inflation
tildebis [2k?\]: protect Q1é now
koko [-\]: yes!
Fabiano [-\]: to be the american master is nothing, the money is the important here
tildebis [2k?\]: Q12*
eS0rven [6k\]: R8 S8 T9 ?
kvzrock [1d\]: are moves like o11 then m10 then m11 good?
Torinouta [1d\]: should be like WSOP, $12,000,000 for first place ^^
fhayashi [5k\]: doesn't the winner also get some invites to international tournaments?
kvzrock [1d\]: in this situation?
hakky [-\]: 12, miljon yen
Mef [-\]: They might get to represent NA in The World Oza?
Mef [-\]: or is that US open?
tildebis [2k?\]: I think B will first protect the cutting point at Q12
baltimore [3k\]: world oza already happened
BuddyL [1k?\]: Open I think
baltimore [3k\]: finals are next month
BuddyL [1k?\]: So who is winning?
katja [3d?\]: s11 is blacks sente
velobici [2k?\]: separate contest for us oza and us open
BuddyL [1k?\]: I don't like B's position right now :(

onesickpup [ 5k+\]: w not sorried about q14 since its undercut anyway
kibarosman [ 7k \]: w seems way ahead, no?
siter [12k+\]: ...
cartan [16k?\]: perhaps o11 now
wolfstar [ 3d \]: b will protect s10 i imagine seeing as its sente
rasa [17k?\]: W does have the whole left side, whereas B's top is still open. Hmmmm
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: black top not that open
]
;B[ri]C[Queselk [13k\]: i just found out that i really dont like IGS
abbadan [-\]: wery 
Javaness [1d\]: *hugs to you*
]
;W[ql]WL[1560]C[Sparkmage [6k\]: pretty even
FrostDragn [1d\]: say, did feng yun win the first game?
jergarmar [4k\]: nice one, katja
fhayashi [5k\]: yes
dat: yes
Genius [2d\]: feng won first gamr yed
Mef [-\]: Feng won game won, Jie Li got game 2
BuddyL [1k?\]: Feng Yun won first, lost 2nd
tildebis [2k?\]: now Q13 or P12
Mef [-\]: that's why there is a game 3
Genius [2d\]: who is winning right now?
Fabiano [-\]: o12 now
hakky [-\]: feng shui ?
hgfuygq: me
Genius [2d\]: why o12?
Genius [2d\]: when o11 is sente?
abbadan [-\]: q13 
FrostDragn [1d\]: is this a 3 game match?
Torinouta [1d\]: yes.
kvzrock [1d\]: s16
FrostDragn [1d\]: k
FrostDragn [1d\]: thx
svgo [6k\]: hmm, does t7 work for a ko?
flyingfox [6d\]: S16 is huge

rasa [17k?\]: Can't W use o18 to threaten a connection underneath?
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: k14?
]
;B[rd]BL[586]C[Torinouta [1d\]: and S16 is the move ^_^
Fabiano [-\]: ugly
kvzrock [1d\]: :)
sente [2d\]: beautiful
tildebis [2k?\]: oh nice
kvzrock [1d\]: w has to reduce
tildebis [2k?\]: of course
velobici [2k?\]: imagine white s15 instead
FrostDragn [1d\]: whew...good game
]
;W[nh]C[FrostDragn [1d\]: this game looks hard for feng yun
Mef [-\]: w left side is big
Torinouta [1d\]: looked hard for her in game 1 too...
FrostDragn [1d\]: after the r7 group lives

onesickpup [ 5k+\]: o12 looks tricky
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;B[ni]C[JeansebL [4k\]: is this the third one ?
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;W[nj]C[NateC [10k\]: The game already ended, correct?
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;B[og]C[jergarmar [4k\]: um... isn't the cut ..
jergarmar [4k\]: nevermind
Torinouta [1d\]: no natec, this is live.
Mef [-\]: Nate - No it's being played
fhayashi [5k\]: this one is live
kvzrock [1d\]: b turned the game around?
NateC [10k\]: Huh...I thought I saw this on move 200 last time 
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;W[sd]
;B[se]C[Mef [-\]: There are 3 games in the series
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;W[sc]C[fhayashi [5k\]: best of three
Torinouta [1d\]: it was game 2 probably you saw
Mef [-\]: you saw game 2 I imagine
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;B[rf]C[fhayashi [5k\]: this is game 3
NateC [10k\]: ah, thanks
turkylurky: byo-yomi yet?
Mef [-\]: must be hard, playing 3 serious games in less than a day
jergarmar [4k\]: was that W defending the corner or what?
Mef [-\]: truly a test of endurance
StevenMW [11k\]: how long has the game been going?
Xanthus [2d?\]: c16, how much is that worth?
Torinouta [1d\]: especially for feng yun, jet lag is a factor?
kvzrock [1d\]: 20+ points
Fabiano [-\]: w was defending, reducing and playing sente
illa [11k?\]: who win the other two games?
hakky [-\]: whaha
Mef [-\]: they are 1-1
Wolferl [4k\]: both one
tildebis [2k?\]: 1-1
Dagga [1k?\]: what time is it in USA yet ?
hakky [-\]: jet lag lol
fhayashi [5k\]: 1 each
illa [11k?\]: thx
Torinouta [1d\]: it is 3:29 pm in Seattle ^_^
baltimore [3k\]: 630 east coast, 330 west coast
Genius [2d\]: jie li a little chubby
fhayashi [5k\]: game is in seattle, west coast
hakky [-\]: 0:29 new york
Dagga [1k?\]: omg
StevenMW [11k\]: didnt this start at 9 pst? what a long game!
Niejbo [6k\]: 1.30 am here >_<
svgo [6k\]: i count white about 70 points
hakky [-\]: hihi

chad [ 2d+\]: was p1 too slow?
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;W[gm]C[Torinouta [1d\]: I get reminded of Ronaldo for some reason
pspl [3d\]: I think M12
tildebis [2k?\]: big
Mef [-\]: Steven there have been 3 games, game 2 started at 9am PST
ladyorchid [3k\]: wow
StevenMW [11k\]: oh I see
hakky [-\]: g-7 annoying
Torinouta [1d\]: G7 is a thorn.
StevenMW [11k\]: and I take it JL won this morning?
runtt21 [?\]: who won last 2 games?
Torinouta [1d\]: yes.
StevenMW [11k\]: thanks
FrostDragn [1d\]: ww
Rookwood [3k\]: is it being played at the Seattle Go Club?
FrostDragn [1d\]: wow
Torinouta [1d\]: gahhhh, so many repeat questions!!
Mef [-\]: The are 1 and 1 that's why there is a game three
Sivart [19k\]: 1-1
Derrida [6k\]: g7 is a placebo
simplet [1d\]: give e7 against sente?
Torinouta [1d\]: Seattle Go Center, yes Rockwood.
Spacemen3 [4d\]: G7 doesn't look very big
StevenMW [11k\]: what was score this morning?
NAMT2006 [?\]: at the Seattle Go Center (www.seattlegocenter.org)
Mef [-\]: W +komi
baltimore [3k\]: it was1-0 this morning
Mef [-\]: both games have virtually been w+komi
MysticoN [1d\]: I think it is
Spacemen3 [4d\]: just h7 g6 h6 and B can capture two stones later, but W gains J7
MysticoN [1d\]: if b respond g6  w can g10 
hakky [-\]: the komi is to big
hakky [-\]: komi should be 4.5
Mef [-\]: 8 pts is big
Torinouta [1d\]: switch back to 6.5? 4.5 is too small i think
DonValley [8k\]: komi 7.5
Xoc [10k?\]: whats the perfect komi?
Torinouta [1d\]: japan still uses 6.5 i think

froggy [ 1d \]: oops..
rasa [17k?\]: Ouch!
cartan [16k?\]: looks like a misclick to me ;-)
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;B[hm]C[StevenMW [11k\]: looks to me like white has the upper hand this time, what u think people? 
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;W[gn]
;B[hn]C[onesickpup [ 5k+\]: well think about it
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;W[en]C[JeansebL [4k\]: G7 is very nice
waykay [3k\]: Black still stastically wins more than white
derPlumps [7k\]: wow
simplet [1d\]: yess :)
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;B[im]
;W[jn]WL[1440]C[Torinouta [1d\]: i think W has had upper hand for a very, very long time.
hakky [-\]: a move i would play nice 
svgo [6k\]: the game looks within my counting accuracy: white 70 points pls komi, black 80 points or so

froggy [ 1d \]: i think they're actually playing on a board..
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;B[be]BL[391]C[Derrida [6k\]: not bad spacemen
kvzrock [1d\]: b15 huge
uter [2d\]: this is bigger then g7 imo
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;W[bd]C[hakky [-\]: b-15 small
kvzrock [1d\]: covers the loss of e7
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I also think B15 is bigger
StevenMW [11k\]: has ne one seen the new Go Seigen/Wu Qinyuan biopic? I think it played at the NY film fest. 
Spacemen3 [4d\]: unless W can launch a severe attack with H10
katja [3d?\]: squeeze with m12 very big too for white
sente [2d\]: that sounds awesome steven

onesickpup [ 5k+\]: hehe see.
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;B[cd]C[sente [2d\]: is it supposed to be good?
]
;W[ce]C[Rookwood [3k\]: what is b's move around M11, M12?
StevenMW [11k\]: I dunno. thats why I asked
sente [2d\]: do you know the name?
fhayashi [5k\]: i think i read that it was mostly uninteresting to the general public.
breakdown [4d\]: m12 
breakdown [4d\]: i think
Spacemen3 [4d\]: N12 is always a possibility
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;B[li]C[Mef [-\]: not anymore
Spacemen3 [4d\]: :)
StevenMW [11k\]: yeah, but the guy playing seigen is the love interest guy from Crouching Tiger
Genius [2d\]: n12 is so big
mstarsup5 [1d\]: this is huge
filiformis [1k?\]: aga reviewers panned the movie
Genius [2d\]: w has sente now though
uter [2d\]: k12 now
pspl [3d\]: L11
StevenMW [11k\]: true
Genius [2d\]: l11
Spacemen3 [4d\]: can't allow K12 next
filiformis [1k?\]: i think it's one of these real slow and arty directors if that's what you like
Mef [-\]: Now...if I were the biggest point on the board....where would I hide....
hakky [-\]: l-11 small
Dagga [1k?\]: b reversed the game
Genius [2d\]: l11 is not small
CyMpak [2d\]: w beat many pros, look http://senseis.xmp.net/?JieLi
Spacemen3 [4d\]: isn't K12 better style than L11?
hakky [-\]: n-13 then l-11
Mef [-\]: Cy - To be fair, B has beaten her fair share of pros too d=
Miano [4k\]: k12 for ladder break now
StevenMW [11k\]: who cares about which is better style if you win...
goldencat [2k?\]: b IS pro
kvzrock [1d\]: no ladder
filiformis [1k?\]: why jie li is not a pro?
kvzrock [1d\]: geta
StevenMW [11k\]: because he's not a pro. thats why
Mef [-\]: Fil - he never went throught the drawn out process to get a pro certification
tildebis [2k?\]: no ladder
Genius [2d\]: jie li is a little chub
kvzrock [1d\]: g10 h11 
Spacemen3 [4d\]: G10 is not a ladder -- anyway W would like to play H10 to attack B's eyeshape
tildebis [2k?\]: H11
hakky [-\]: l-12 is the best

cartan [16k?\]: black should just play l12 or so and win
cartan [16k?\]: or that ;-)
kibarosman [ 7k \]: i think w could have played M11-M12 before G7
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;W[eo]WL[1320]C[tildebis [2k?\]: yes
Miano [4k\]: sure there is ladder on g10
svgo [6k\]: jie li is till in school--smart guy
Torinouta [1d\]: Genius, how many times must you mention Jie Li's pudginess?
kinmaygi [6d\]: he probably can't pass anyway
eS0rven [6k\]: ?
filiformis [1k?\]: i heard he tried to be pro but didn't get it?
kvzrock [1d\]: ?
Genius [2d\]: jie li tried to get into law school
Genius [2d\]: but failed?
svgo [6k\]: pro life sucks anyway
Dagga [1k?\]: how old is jie lie ?
Torinouta [1d\]: seriously.
kvzrock [1d\]: 23
japanmonk [5d\]: no
hakky [-\]: jie li tryed to be jet li but failed ??
Mef [-\]: Kin - That could be true
MysticoN [1d\]: 24
Dagga [1k?\]: thanks
japanmonk [5d\]: he's currently applying for law schools
Genius [2d\]: i thought he failed
StevenMW [11k\]: isnt e4 obvious?
japanmonk [5d\]: no
Genius [2d\]: oh
japanmonk [5d\]: still waiting for replies
StevenMW [11k\]: or f5\\
Dagga [1k?\]: very good level for his old
kinmaygi [6d\]: e5 probably small
Genius [2d\]: why is he still paying go
Mef [-\]: because he can make $3000
kinmaygi [6d\]: black might k12
MysticoN [1d\]: can still make some money on side as ama
Spacemen3 [4d\]: maybe play K12
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: why are you playing go?
Derrida [6k\]: e4 is answered by h10`?
turkylurky: he is not "paying go", Go is paying him
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I think I would...
StevenMW [11k\]: haha
simplet [1d\]: f5,g5 also possible
Genius [2d\]: to exercise my genius powers
zc3k [3k\]: hehe
StevenMW [11k\]: f5 then e4
Spacemen3 [4d\]: if K12 H10, B might be in trouble
StevenMW [11k\]: true
MysticoN [1d\]: g10  seems troublesome for b later
Genius [2d\]: h10 is troublesome
MysticoN [1d\]: b has to be careful about her eyes
Demon [-\]: probably just e4
Genius [2d\]: g10 is stuck
hgfuygq: white h11 coming after e4, and h3 will be under attack, no?
SunnyD [2d\]: B left side dead?
simplet [1d\]: l11 ok?
MysticoN [1d\]: ah lol .. I didnt see that
hakky [-\]: >?
hakky [-\]: l-12 better
schach7 [12k\]: I would say f5
kvzrock [1d\]: j11 is not a bad move is it?
hakky [-\]: dont say anything please
desperado [2d\]: just E4 and save F5 later for ko
Genius [2d\]: j11 for whom,
kvzrock [1d\]: b
kinmaygi [6d\]: just censor hakky
desperado [2d\]: for ko threat
hakky [-\]: haha
schach7 [12k\]: thank you
MysticoN [1d\]: agree
velobici [2k?\]: black k12 ?
hakky [-\]: -_-
desperado [2d\]: no problem schach!!
fhayashi [5k\]: seems to me people aren't talking about how black can't possibly win now...
jergarmar [4k\]: B can just capture at G10 to live for sure, right?
abbadan [-\]: f5 
simplet [1d\]: j11 seems fine ;)
Spacemen3 [4d\]: no point in living if you lose
RickS [5k\]: k12? looks rather big
waykay [3k\]: b's calculating yose is my guess
turkylurky: K12 points seems big.
hakky [-\]: l-12 biggest
DonValley [8k\]: f5
waykay [3k\]: n18 is even pretty big
Fabiano [-\]: l14 seems the point
AWA [13k\]: f5
Genius [2d\]: n11 isnt that b ig
Queselk [13k\]: Jie Li should take a pro test
StevenMW [11k\]: f5 gets sente, or does b already have it?
waykay [3k\]: Why?  He doesn't want to be a pro
nnh14 [1d\]: J12
koko [-\]: wow
koko [-\]: lots of thought here
Queselk [13k\]: why doesnt he
waykay [3k\]: Better to be the best of the worst :)
MysticoN [1d\]: not every crazy strong ama wants to be pro you know :)
NAMT2006 [?\]: Black has entered overtime
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: just because Hikaru no Go could pass the pro test, that does not mean anyone can pass
turkylurky: Jie Li has already passed the "true pro" test -- which is beating other pros.
AWA [13k\]: i say g5 then f5
fhayashi [5k\]: i assume he enjoys living in the USA.  I don't think you can make a good living as a pro go player living in the USA
Torinouta [1d\]: he isn't like you hikaru-delusionals
runtt21 [?\]: lol
Queselk [13k\]: Fujiwar that is totally unrelated
AWA [13k\]: oop
AWA [13k\]: no
Mef [-\]: And just because a million hikaru fans want to become pro doesn't mean everyone does
StevenMW [11k\]: besides, hikaru had a ghost helping. he didnt actually test
Mef [-\]: He'd rather be a lwyer
koko [-\]: yea
koko [-\]: hikaru cheated
runtt21 [?\]: hikarutards
turkylurky: Jie Li wants to be pro, just not Go pro ^_^
Mathdude90 [7k?\]: what's overtime?
AWA [13k\]: hikaretards
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: no, Hikaru did the test without help
Mathdude90 [7k?\]: like how long?
Mef [-\]: Overtime -Canadian Byo
Mef [-\]: 10 min 25 stone
DonValley [8k\]: f5, f6, e4, g2
schach7 [12k\]: I'm not sure that f5 is an effective ko threat, would it not initiate a brief battle from both sides? Depending on the ko, black would have to respond to white's answer from a ko threat at f5. 
Mathdude90 [7k?\]: k
Queselk [13k\]: im just asking because he has to love go a lot
filiformis [1k?\]: feng yun seems to have a good business with her school
Queselk [13k\]: and why not make playing it his job
simplet [1d\]: i guess for l11
StevenMW [11k\]: I dont think so schach
Mef [-\]: because it doesn't pay well? Because he doesn't want to Hate go?
filiformis [1k?\]: pros make most of their money from teaching
sente [2d\]: it's probably precisely because he loves go so much that he doesn't want to make it his job
Torinouta [1d\]: i think the hikaru-delusionals think the lifestyle of a pro is godly or something.
Fling [-\]: how much time does w have left ?
svgo [6k\]: queselk, any game like this is pretty limited
VincentV [2k?\]: do pros love go? cho chikun doesn't <_<
Dagga [1k?\]: about what feng is thinking ?
StevenMW [11k\]: are you cho?
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: Yes, when you pass the pro exam you get free money and life is all a game
svgo [6k\]: it;s fun to do on the side, but most people would be bored to tears to do this all the time
SunnyD [2d\]: limited? they just played one hours ago!!!!!!
MysticoN [1d\]: you couldnt be more wrong sai

chad [ 2d+\]: m11 prevents what L12 induces
Zodiac107 [17k?\]: yeah, i bet he didnt think about that
chad [ 2d+\]: small
kibarosman [ 7k \]: can w kill H group?
chad [ 2d+\]: except it makes for a better attack
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: K12 or K11?
rasa [17k?\]: Looks really weak, doesn't it?
chad [ 2d+\]: resign maybe?
chad [ 2d+\]: e4 is sad to see
jansteen [ 5d+\]: who are playing actually?
rasa [17k?\]: If B saves the 3 stones, he'll loose either H4 ro f10 group. Right?
fractic [11k \]: Jie Li as White and Feng Yun
jansteen [ 5d+\]: thanks fractic
kibarosman [ 7k \]: H14 seems urgent for both
cartan [16k?\]: g10 looks like a threat now, too!?
rasa [17k?\]: Jan, can you put your 2 cents in?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: yes, please
nodan [ 2k \]: hi
wolfstar [ 3d \]: g10 is not a threat, that stone isnt going wnywhere after h11
jansteen [ 5d+\]: I just started to watch :)
nodan [ 2k \]: What's wrong with b H10?
chad [ 2d+\]: h11 might almost be a threat
jansteen [ 5d+\]: white has a lot of cash
cartan [16k?\]: good point, wolf
NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: Black has entered Overtime
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: save the big tummy
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: and teh H3 group
chad [ 2d+\]: strange thing is
chad [ 2d+\]: would b play e5?
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;B[ep]BL[445]C[kvzrock [1d\]: ha
Genius [2d\]: h10!!!
hakky [-\]: -_-
AWA [13k\]: yay b moved
Genius [2d\]: DO IT!!
Genius [2d\]: h10!!
kvzrock [1d\]: all bets are off
hakky [-\]: she is back from the toilet
AWA [13k\]: lol
mstarsup5 [1d\]: FujiwarSai [13k?\]: Yes, when you pass the pro exam you get free money and life is all a game   <---- lol
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;W[hj]
;B[hi]C[tildebis [2k?\]: because F3 is empty triangle :)
svgo [6k\]: limited compared to life and what other work (like the work of a lawyer) is about
StevenMW [11k\]: jesus, they keep us waiting for so long any move is exciting. its the great pro strategy
MysticoN [1d\]: living as a pro is extremily hard .. you have to practice every day for many hours just to keep up with the modern pros

cartan [16k?\]: nice
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;W[ij]
;B[gj]C[Genius [2d\]: what life isnt hard?
Queselk [13k\]: im not saying pro life is glorious
StevenMW [11k\]: amen
Genius [2d\]: even a genius must work hard
VincentV [2k?\]: bill gates?
AWA [13k\]: b doesn't seem to have a chance hmm?
Demon [-\]: k12?
SunnyD [2d\]: W kills now!
kvzrock [1d\]: so many pros don't make to the top
fhayashi [5k\]: no.  Bill Gates' children's lives
Genius [2d\]: w cant kill
DonValley [8k\]: how do modern pros keep up?
Torinouta [1d\]: George Bush.
Genius [2d\]: bill gates work hard
Mef [-\]: Genius the problem is more putting all your eggs in one basket....do you want to have to depend on your go ability for your livelihood?
tildebis [2k?\]: no W can not kill
StevenMW [11k\]: things arent looking too bad for B. that center territory is shaping up
kvzrock [1d\]: only the top dogs get paid well
MysticoN [1d\]: they work hard and hopefully does it well international
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: modern pros spend 2 hours a day studying the nadare joseki
kvzrock [1d\]: just like any other sport
MysticoN [1d\]: where the money is
hakky [-\]: go should be just a hobby
Mathdude90 [7k?\]: nadare joseki?
MysticoN [1d\]: unless you are pro in Japan or top 20 in Korea
kvzrock [1d\]: very risky unless you have the talent
Torinouta [1d\]: a pro i met said he invested over 300 hours into the avalanche joseki and isn't even close to finish.
Mef [-\]: Math - Avalanche
flyingfox [6d\]: most pros make their living teaching, not competing
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: big avalanch
VincentV [2k?\]: there was this quote
jergarmar [4k\]: ...and just like any other sport, it's a LOT easier to teach it to make money.
filiformis [1k?\]: being pro go player seems less fun than baseball player for instance 
VincentV [2k?\]: the only talent there is, is to preserve in ones studies
StevenMW [11k\]: not less fun. less glamorous
VincentV [2k?\]: ... or something -_-
turkylurky: LOL
jergarmar [4k\]: bah... flyingfox said it already... gomen
tildebis [2k?\]: K12
fhayashi [5k\]: no steroids for your brain.

tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: K12?
cartan [16k?\]: or k14 :)
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;W[jh]
;B[cn]C[velobici [2k?\]: but go you can do for decades, baseball is short lived
tildebis [2k?\]: hehe
StevenMW [11k\]: ouch
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;W[bn]
;B[bm]C[svgo [6k\]: and if the money is in winning tournaments, the window for that is not that wide--you have to be fairly young to win those
]
;W[bo]WL[1140]C[kvzrock [1d\]: d10
hakky [-\]: haha what kind of noob attempt is that
pwaldron [4d\]: b ahead by a little?
Genius [2d\]: b is ahead?
StevenMW [11k\]: not after k12
turkylurky: W beat black to K12 ...
tildebis [2k?\]: :)
Torinouta [1d\]: this position just calls for a tesuji.
hakky [-\]: i am calling mr tesuji
StevenMW [11k\]: every position calls for a tesuji
kvzrock [1d\]: but e7 stones are captures
ws [2d\]: what is the time control?
kvzrock [1d\]: d
MysticoN [1d\]: d10 c10 e9 
flyingfox [6d\]: H3 groups is not settled yet
Genius [2d\]: i feel like tesuji includes d8 and d10 somewhere
SunnyD [2d\]: W has attack on left, B center not big, easy game for W now
Torinouta [1d\]: i know, but still something...
AWA [13k\]: ULTIMATE TESUJI: b17
hakky [-\]: g-2
waykay [3k\]: e10 still out there
Toge [14k\]: Excuse me, couldn't find any info, what is this NAMT2006 thing?
Queselk [13k\]: it seems to me that being a very stong ama is just like being a average pro
waykay [3k\]: plus some moves will be "timeusjis"
Genius [2d\]: north american masters tournament
Genius [2d\]: 2007
Toge [14k\]: Who are playing?
tildebis [2k?\]: it is written
Genius [2d\]: jie li 9d feng yun 9p
Torinouta [1d\]: good god...
sbcap [4d\]: D10?
hakky [-\]: d-10
Queselk [13k\]: you teach, publish books, and play in tourneys
hakky [-\]: yeah
velobici [2k?\]: its says jie li and feng yun, but who knons
kvzrock [1d\]: in retrospect
Genius [2d\]: d10 doesn twork
kvzrock [1d\]: b k12 woulda been better
Xoc [10k?\]: why is it so hard to read, befor asking?
sbcap [4d\]: D10 works
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: nothing works because 2 b stones are in atari
sbcap [4d\]: no
kvzrock [1d\]: e7 are captured
sbcap [4d\]: not work
hakky [-\]: it works like a clock
Torinouta [1d\]: ^^
StevenMW [11k\]: the only question for pros is...do they get groupies to boink? thats all that matter with being a pro at anything
kvzrock [1d\]: so there's nothing
sbcap [4d\]: L13?
jergarmar [4k\]: why do I have the strange feeling that turkylurky is someone I should know?
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: yes, the groupise are mad about the pros
simplet [1d\]: white k12 looks more damageous to me than take at e4
AWA [13k\]: W+Res.
StevenMW [11k\]: no
svgo [6k\]: go groupies are too smart and ugly to be a benefit in that department
koko [-\]: w is soooo solid
FrostDragn [1d\]: its weird, at 1st glance it looks like LJ is winning  but it really is a close game
taizen [?\]: Close game!!
FrostDragn [1d\]: ....
JKC [-\]: 9p vs 9d...
Demon [-\]: m13?
koko [-\]: yea but jlie can invade 
ScatCat [6k\]: where are g8 's eyes?

chad [ 2d+\]: great shot
rasa [17k?\]: Why not Wb8?
rasa [17k?\]: Never mind
cartan [16k?\]: k14
chad [ 2d+\]: e2 would be sente
chad [ 2d+\]: which helps b eye shape
Zodiac107 [17k?\]: i dont see no white i in that group atm though
Zodiac107 [17k?\]: maybe its just me thats blind
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;B[eh]BL[227]C[SunnyD [2d\]: 9pd
koko [-\]: and there isnt really much b can invade
kokomo [2d\]: who won the first game?
a2334332a [5k\]: hey koko
ScatCat [6k\]: i bet w wiins decisively
koko [-\]: hey a2334332a
Torinouta [1d\]: Feng Yun won first game
Queselk [13k\]: how does d10 work?
DarkGuard [2k\]: F2 = nasty
DarkGuard [2k\]: =p
baltimore [3k\]: poorly
kokomo [2d\]: Tori - thx
FujiwarSai [13k?\]: this is the special power of 9p players. They can make it look as if their opponent is winning, while the reverse is actually true
turkylurky: was B7 the canadian byo-yomi tesuji?
Gellyware [4k?\]: special power :))
FrostDragn [1d\]: whats dat move for?
AWA [13k\]: dumb SE; it says B+1.5
kvzrock [1d\]: fengyun halluncinated about d10 tesuji
taizen [?\]: for once it is right :)
Xoc [10k?\]: so it is b+1.5
Torinouta [1d\]: never argue against SE's calculuations, it is always correct.
SunnyD [2d\]: live and D10
Queselk [13k\]: yea f6
mstarsup5 [1d\]: it was a probe
kvzrock [1d\]: probe of what?
simplet [1d\]: putting b7 is no damage for black
buebsche1 [-\]: how many games do they play?
kvzrock [1d\]: see if w was also hallucinately?
kvzrock [1d\]: just h13
goldencat [2k?\]: L13 sente
fhayashi [5k\]: this is the final game out of 3
buebsche1 [-\]: cool thx
a2334332a [5k\]: koko wanna game
Demon [-\]: i think w+2.5 is the outcome ^.^
buebsche1 [-\]: so its 1-1 i guess
Xoc [10k?\]: SE calculation is 100% correct, its just the score that changes so strange with every move...
fhayashi [5k\]: yes
Torinouta [1d\]: W+Time.
taizen [?\]: problem is, it isn't easy for w to make more territory but there are more places for b
JKC [-\]: is this live?
Torinouta [1d\]: yes.
kvzrock [1d\]: SE gets L&D wronga all the time
waykay [3k\]: I'm sure FY knows she's in time pressure :P
AWA [13k\]: i wish they'd show us time remaining
VincentV [2k?\]: Xec, who told you this?
fhayashi [5k\]: about as live as someone relaying the game can be.
kvzrock [1d\]: impossible to be 100% correct
hgfuygq: but e12 is sente because of d10, no?
Xoc [10k?\]: Im just joking :)
fresh12 [10k\]: what is SE
masek [6k\]: geat game
Genius [2d\]: score estimator
Torinouta [1d\]: Super Estimator.
fresh12 [10k\]: o
fresh12 [10k\]: thnx
RickS [5k\]: you can buy extra time for loss of points in Ing rules, cant you?
VincentV [2k?\]: SE is like a drunken baby that's trying to count <_<
AWA [13k\]: sudden electrecution
Genius [2d\]: watch the great permutations come
fresh12 [10k\]: hahaha
Xoc [10k?\]: SE = Schätze Ergebnis
JKC [-\]: Is this game live and Namt is playing it out?
kvzrock [1d\]: se is just a stupid estimator
Wrenn [10k\]: yes
fhayashi [5k\]: yes
Torinouta [1d\]: yes
AWA [13k\]: yes
masek [6k\]: se uknown ALIEN
Genius [2d\]: yes
wittel [5k\]: g12?
turkylurky: yes\]
jergarmar [4k\]: SE: the running gag of KGS
Torinouta [1d\]: yes
taizen [?\]: se is incomple sex
turkylurky: yes
taizen [?\]: *incomplete
AWA [13k\]: no, thats is
Torinouta [1d\]: taizen failed at humor =(

cartan [16k?\]: l19
nodan [ 2k \]: A question
nodan [ 2k \]: Earlier, b didn't play p11 and o11
nodan [ 2k \]: so w got p11
chad [ 2d+\]: L17?
nodan [ 2k \]: Similarly, w didn't play m11
nodan [ 2k \]: Those look like very big moves not to play
]
;W[dg]C[velobici [2k?\]: SE == special entilligence
Tobamf [2k?\]: what a great game so far
hakky [-\]: everybody is so funny today -_-
masek [6k\]: who saw se?
kvzrock [1d\]: i think stupid estimator best describes its functionality
JKC [-\]: hakky!!

chad [ 2d+\]: O12 has v bad aji still
fractic [11k \]: I'm not sure but i think B didn't play P11 and O11 to play R11 in sente?
]
;B[hg]C[masek [6k\]: what kind of SE?
]
;W[kg]C[hakky [-\]: !!
]
;B[lf]C[AWA [13k\]: SE = Sober Extremists...a rare sight
]
;W[lg]
;B[mg]C[kvzrock [1d\]: b14 big
goldencat [2k?\]: b17 now?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I think B lost
AWA [13k\]: geez
AWA [13k\]: SE = B+1.5...is it crazy?
goldencat [2k?\]: b17 before b14
masek [6k\]: SE = Second Edition
Miano [4k\]: l19
sapphire [3k\]: L13 super costly
simplet [1d\]: k15 better
kvzrock [1d\]: of course

nodan [ 2k \]: well, r11 was going to be sente after p11 and o11
fractic [11k \]: is that so?
fractic [11k \]: well then i don't know
]
;W[ma]C[Sampi [8k\]: SE is not crazy... just stupid
AWA [13k\]: ah yes
Xoc [10k?\]: I started to love SE after it showed me some very obvious false life and death solutions. And changed them with every move.
]
;B[dj]
;W[cj]C[SunnyD [2d\]: W likes this N19
kvzrock [1d\]: tesuji
kvzrock [1d\]: threatens to k18
]
;B[ek]
;W[fn]C[goldencat [2k?\]: reverse monkey jump
goldencat [2k?\]: hehe
]
;B[ck]
;W[ej]
;B[jm]
;W[km]
;B[dj]C[kvzrock [1d\]: that's the donkey jump
ce90 [6k?\]: wow
FrostDragn [1d\]: wow, feng yun comes back strong
AWA [13k\]: frog-with-legs-cut-off jump
masek [6k\]: monkey ?
Wrenn [10k\]: not the donkey jump again
masek [6k\]: donkey?
waykay [3k\]: donkey's don't jump, they kick
]
;W[dl]C[Torinouta [1d\]: K18 = donkey kick?
]
;B[bj]C[eS0rven [6k\]: what s the point in this ko ??
]
;W[ej]C[kvzrock [1d\]: kill e6
a2334332a [5k\]: whats the differente between p and dan?
]
;B[so]
;W[sn]
;B[dj]C[Wrenn [10k\]: a lot
FrostDragn [1d\]: after dan is p
Sampi [8k\]: p = pro, d = amateur
Bernd [2k\]: woohoo
MysticoN [1d\]: haha
Ruutana [-\]: :O
Genius [2d\]: ahhaha
]
;W[ci]C[SunnyD [2d\]: 180 degrees
MysticoN [1d\]: uh oh
Demon [-\]: p is a pro, d is just a strong ameature
goldencat [2k?\]: what?!?!?
Torinouta [1d\]: enough for B to win?
turkylurky: wow
LiquidH20 [2d\]: ??
kvzrock [1d\]: O_o
ce90 [6k?\]: ouch
eS0rven [6k\]: omg
Genius [2d\]: what?!?!
kvzrock [1d\]: trade
turkylurky: LOL
]
;B[bl]C[LiquidH20 [2d\]: lol
kinmaygi [6d\]: ahh
Dagga [1k?\]: oO
SuperBuddy [2k\]: doesnt k17 work for w?
Dagga [1k?\]: ha
simplet [1d\]: lol
ce90 [6k?\]: whef
goldencat [2k?\]: hehe
a2334332a [5k\]: holy 
fhayashi [5k\]: heh
sapphire [3k\]: everyone faints
a2334332a [5k\]: omgf
handi [1k\]: scary
kvzrock [1d\]: NAMT
AWA [13k\]: umm?
a2334332a [5k\]: omg big risk
Genius [2d\]: lol
Ruutana [-\]: That was mean!
jergarmar [4k\]: now THAT was funny, NAMT
taizen [?\]: calm down, relay error
turkylurky: NAMT is a commedian
Torinouta [1d\]: this can mean everything.
masek [6k\]: ko on game
kvzrock [1d\]: haha
Spacemen3 [4d\]: semedori
kvzrock [1d\]: yeah
kvzrock [1d\]: but k18 bigger
a2334332a [5k\]: this can mean i don't barf
Mef [-\]: stay tuned for the action packed conclusion.....
Spacemen3 [4d\]: B gains many points
fresh12 [10k\]: b9?
tildebis [2k?\]: yeap
AWA [13k\]: quick b fill in the ko
kinmaygi [6d\]: m19 also ko
FrostDragn [1d\]: its a picnic ko
a2334332a [5k\]: lol
simplet [1d\]: b11 is just perfect
masek [6k\]: white move
NeoNemesis [?\]: um... what the heck... when did this start?
hgfuygq: so why you play b5 but not b8
masek [6k\]: black can't fill ko
velobici [2k?\]: what is semedori in chinese ?
Genius [2d\]: iw s b is really strong
NeoNemesis [?\]: um... what time did this round begin?

zpy [ 4d+\]: who is black
zpy [ 4d+\]: who is black?
fractic [11k \]: Feng Yun
zpy [ 4d+\]: so white is Jie Li?
fractic [11k \]: ye
fractic [11k \]: s
zpy [ 4d+\]: thank
zpy [ 4d+\]: s
]
;W[bi]WL[720]C[tildebis [2k?\]: many ko threat for Black
Tearsmay [4d\]: b is just gaining g5 in sente
kvzrock [1d\]: now b can defend top?
teamsoco [12k\]: get the last 2 points FTW
Genius [2d\]: FTW!

fractic [11k \]: hehe
]
;B[ej]BL[96]C[waykay [3k\]: Tearsmay, more than just g5, white is playing inside his own territory
JKC [-\]: these are girls?
PrettyWeak [4d\]: It started at 2pm pst Neo
Dagga [1k?\]: feng is
FrostDragn [1d\]: dang
FrostDragn [1d\]: its over
NeoNemesis [?\]: ok thx
]
;W[am]C[NeoNemesis [?\]: .... they shoulda at least waited till i finished my final...

siter [12k+\]: .
]
;B[la]C[waykay [3k\]: hehe
Demon [-\]: lol
baltimore [3k\]: they waitedfor me
crouton [3k?\]: you guys just got done??
FrostDragn [1d\]: huh?
Bomberman [-\]: a9 good to create an inside ko ?
ste [1k\]: nice:)
AWA [13k\]: umm?
kvzrock [1d\]: damn
kvzrock [1d\]: that's a strong move
turkylurky: ?
kinmaygi [6d\]: this is ko
simplet [1d\]: other ko
kvzrock [1d\]: not afraid of ko fight
Torinouta [1d\]: kicked back the donkey.
Tearsmay [4d\]: /list 1
Tearsmay [4d\]: opps
FrostDragn [1d\]: poor donkey
kvzrock [1d\]: game point
waykay [3k\]: kos rock when you have sente point gaining ko threats
jergarmar [4k\]: now the p17 cut is trouble, right?
flyingfox [6d\]: i feel black should P17 first regarless
]
;W[mb]C[FrostDragn [1d\]: feng won
]
;B[lb]
;W[kf]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: it's a ko W can't fight
]
;B[le]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[gc]WL[600]
;B[fb]BL[72]C[Shuzai [-\]: that's right, yang
masek [6k\]: k16 ?
MysticoN [1d\]: j16 
Dagga [1k?\]: why g17 ?
velobici [2k?\]: create aji
Genius [2d\]: has j16 attach
abbadan [-\]: k16 
SunnyD [2d\]: to start another ko
simplet [1d\]: k16, yose time
abbadan [-\]: k16 
teamsoco [12k\]: black wins by 1.5 or 2.5
]
;W[jd]C[kvzrock [1d\]: it's very close
masek [6k\]: hehe
waykay [3k\]: its close, who know who will win.  Time pressure must be insane right now
Torinouta [1d\]: like game 1, people ranting that Jie Li would win.
Xoc [10k?\]: exactly w+2.5
fhayashi [5k\]: white seems to have more endgame moves than black
]
;B[oc]BL[600]
;W[ob]WL[600]C[Podiceps [15k\]: komi is 8
masek [6k\]: white more prefer able
Dagga [1k?\]: b14 is big now
Demon [-\]: b+4.5
Genius [2d\]: b14 is also gote
MysticoN [1d\]: b needs 2 eyes
a2334332a [5k\]: hmm
a2334332a [5k\]: is s17 alive
MysticoN [1d\]: hm
waykay [3k\]: 2 eyes is usually optional :)
taizen [?\]: B14 is gote so w will destroy J17 area
a2334332a [5k\]: is s17 alive
AWA [13k\]: yup
FadedMoon [1k\]: y
simplet [1d\]: k17 area needs urgent protection now
a2334332a [5k\]: looks like some work can be done where
a2334332a [5k\]: *there
Mathdude90 [7k?\]: q19?
jergarmar [4k\]: what about like k15? what happens then?
svgo [6k\]: i like jie li's quote--the more I learn about go, the less i know; it seems the lower the rank in here, the more certain about the outcome
Ebola [2d?\]: I think the question now is: Is K17 Sente vs. H8 Balck Group
a2334332a [5k\]: yeah
a2334332a [5k\]: q19 :P i wonder what would happen
masek [6k\]: k17 not good move for black
Ebola [2d?\]: *K16
kvzrock [1d\]: maybe has to resort to k15
a2334332a [5k\]: k17 is good

kibarosman [ 7k \]: very close game, but i'm predicting w win
rasa [17k?\]: Isn't Wg12 a big danger for B?
]
;B[ef]C[basso [3k\]: g5 gain g6
AWA [13k\]: DUN DUN DUNNN
Torinouta [1d\]: oh, a vital-ish looking move.
waykay [3k\]: yeah there is "stuff" there
kvzrock [1d\]: hmm
Genius [2d\]: ear redding tesuji?
kvzrock [1d\]: w ignores and play j17
]
;W[eg]C[baltimore [3k\]: hka, you're late
a2334332a [5k\]: q19 question still open
AWA [13k\]: lip-pnking move
velobici [2k?\]: yeah he is
turkylurky: byo-yomi tesuji here?
turkylurky: F14 is a must

oblivion [15k+\]: white  F6 group is alive?
]
;B[gf]C[PrettyWeak [4d\]: q19 r18
]
;W[ff]WL[564]C[Torinouta [1d\]: lol, turkylurky failed.
crouton [3k?\]: lol turky
waykay [3k\]: f13..
MysticoN [1d\]: yes need f13
simplet [1d\]: yes i waited f13...
masek [6k\]: time aji soon appear
jergarmar [4k\]: I would think it's not the time for f13 yet, but...
simplet [1d\]: f14 surprised me
MysticoN [1d\]: really nice move
kvzrock [1d\]: threatens h13
Genius [2d\]: j17 or something like that
Genius [2d\]: is big

cartan [16k?\]: kills B7 group first
Zodiac107 [17k?\]: i dont think it is at the moment
kibarosman [ 7k \]: w alive, b dead
kibarosman [ 7k \]: on the left side
cartan [16k?\]: f5 a10
tweet [ BC \]: make NAMT2006 title Jie Li 9d White vs Feng Yun 9p
cartan [16k?\]: or simply f5 c8
rasa [17k?\]: Is 9d = 2p?
pansan24 [22k \]: no. 9d = 9d
]
;B[fg]BL[270]C[kokomo [2d\]: f14 - a nice move?  I doubt about it
waykay [3k\]: finally :)
kvzrock [1d\]: now w gets sente
]
;W[ic]C[waykay [3k\]: but f13 is really big

rasa [17k?\]: I've read where 7d = 1p
]
;B[dc]C[kvzrock [1d\]: and b lost
eS0rven [6k\]: ouch
mmcr13 [13k\]: who won
]
;W[ed]C[MysticoN [1d\]: b14 
waykay [3k\]: b17 still biggish
jergarmar [4k\]: whoa... g15?
velobici [2k?\]: yes g15 is sente

onesickpup [ 5k+\]: its equivalent
wolfstar [ 3d \]: i've read elvis appears at gas stations.  dont believe everything you read
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: 7 dan is classically the highest amatuer rank
rasa [17k?\]: LOL
aChuang [17k \]: 0.
]
;B[hc]C[waykay [3k\]: it will never be played by w :)
]
;W[bc]
;B[bb]
;W[bf]
;B[ac]
;W[ae]C[waykay [3k\]: and b has no risk
waykay [3k\]: because tiger's mouth
MysticoN [1d\]: oh
velobici [2k?\]: exactly
MysticoN [1d\]: b has j18 k18 k19  followup
kvzrock [1d\]: b lost?
Holmes [-\]: W ahead or... ??
rocalme [2d\]: h2 biggest?
Torinouta [1d\]: H2 starting to look big?
waykay [3k\]: nope, still close
waykay [3k\]: within 4
ScatCat [6k\]: w still has to capture b8 stones
basso [3k\]: g5
waykay [3k\]: g5 is too early
waykay [3k\]: e2 bigger
MysticoN [1d\]: h2  seems good
AWA [13k\]: m10?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: b resign soon
BrianB327 [ 5k?\]: my club members goto the US go congress every year, they say 6-7d aga usually beats up new 1-2p's
aChuang [17k \]: I think the same person is matching the same person
]
;B[ke]
;W[je]C[waykay [3k\]: h2 is not small
simplet [1d\]: e2 best for white
]
;B[if]
;W[jf]C[MysticoN [1d\]: m10 
kvzrock [1d\]: k17?
taizen [?\]: i think w is a few points ahead now
desperado [2d\]: k17 k18 l17 j16 
velobici [2k?\]: tough tough game

kibarosman [ 7k \]: b M10?
wolfstar [ 3d \]: yes brian, and since we know the us go congress is positvely flooded with new professionals... we know how accurate that statement is......
]
;B[dr]
;W[cr]C[HKA [2d\]: looks close on the board
]
;B[er]C[waykay [3k\]: taizen, the white sente at f13 seemed to be the key
]
;W[hb]C[zpy [ 4d+\]: b should A8 to gain some points in G5
]
;B[gb]C[taizen [?\]: w leads by 6 or 7, including komi
pspl [3d\]: F12
waykay [3k\]: you're not counting clear sentes like c1
Rookwood [3k\]: surprised to see e2 instead of h2. thoughts?
desperado [2d\]: well done, looking at the SE
Funchucks [2k\]: can't B catch the F6 stones?
Funchucks [2k\]: oh, n/m
waykay [3k\]: and the semedori point after g5
sbcap [4d\]: there is no more hope.  sigh
MysticoN [1d\]: g2  big I think

oblivion [15k+\]: xD
BrianB327 [ 5k?\]: wolf look at the roster, a lot of people come over
]
;W[gr]
;B[hr]
;W[hs]C[kvzrock [1d\]: semedori points are not taken into account by SE
]
;B[ib]
;W[jb]
;B[ha]C[Rookwood [3k\]: wouldn't h2 by b have been better than e2?
Nightmare [1k\]: w win?
NeoNemesis [?\]: i think w has a solid win
mstarsup5 [1d\]: M10 for both?
kvzrock [1d\]: looks like w won
FrostDragn [1d\]: omg
FrostDragn [1d\]: LJ is gonna win
kvzrock [1d\]: $3000
mmcr13 [13k\]: did w win
NeoNemesis [?\]: LJ was going to win from the start.. .no OMG about that
FrostDragn [1d\]: im surprised
eS0rven [6k\]: M10 is clear sente, why not play it ?
fhayashi [5k\]: and a date with Genius
]
;W[lj]C[NeoNemesis [?\]: never doubt jie li
bipolar [14k\]: too late
Xanthus [2d?\]: 3 points reverse sente
kvzrock [1d\]: reverse sente
MysticoN [1d\]: b should have taken m10 

eaton [10k+\]: One 9p plays with himself. is it?
wolfstar [ 3d \]: yes i know. i routinely go to them.  but not new professionals =) mainly older ones selling their teaching services
fractic [11k \]: no this is a NAMT game
fractic [11k \]: it's live
]
;B[cs]
;W[bs]C[GoTraining [11k\]: who won the last game?
Funchucks [2k\]: double sente, wasn't it?
babucho2 [1d\]: Jie Li
Funchucks [2k\]: oh, wait
MysticoN [1d\]: no .. only for b
waykay [3k\]: the sente did it
GoTraining [11k\]: so 1-1
crouton [3k?\]: no
crouton [3k?\]: 2-1
Funchucks [2k\]: geez, brain not working today

fractic [11k \]: White is Jie Li and Black is Feng Yun
eaton [10k+\]: oh
eaton [10k+\]: great
]
;B[ds]
;W[br]C[baltimore [3k\]: after this game, its gonna be 2-1
JKC [-\]: I think white won for sure

cartan [16k?\]: white will win by about 10 points?
]
;B[ja]C[Torinouta [1d\]: after this game, it's over.
fhayashi [5k\]: this is the third game of a best of three series
waykay [3k\]: w is favorable, but close

pansan24 [22k \]: less
]
;W[kd]
;B[ld]C[PrettyWeak [4d\]: W wins as long as he doesn't make some insane mistake
eS0rven [6k\]: cant b catch part of F6 ?
JKC [-\]: I think white is up by at leats 25? or 20?
baltimore [3k\]: hah
waykay [3k\]: nah, within 10
Torinouta [1d\]: nonsense.
AWA [13k\]: 15ish
tomdraug [7k\]: w+2.5 my count
bipolar [14k\]: so uh who won?
Torinouta [1d\]: even more nonsense.

pansan24 [22k \]: or resign
Xopods [ 1k+\]: Just eyeballing the board, I'd say White's had a substantial lead most of the game, but I don't know the exact margin
]
;W[fh]
;B[gg]
;W[ii]C[Torinouta [1d\]: Jie Li by about 4.5 i think.
RickS [5k\]: within 5 I'd guess, without counting
turkylurky: I'm confused how B could let W get to M10 first.
lamka: do you mean that pro lose againt nonpro? interesting...
kalim [4k\]: I wonder what its like where there playing
JKC [-\]: I think by 18 points
]
;B[ih]C[JKC [-\]: or `3
JKC [-\]: 13*
fhayashi [5k\]: well, it's near the water, and people drink a lot of coffee, it rains a lot, but not too heavily, and the people are nice.  that's Seattle.
GoTraining [11k\]: the game is being played in washington or washinton dc?
FrostDragn [1d\]: w+10.5 at end
pwaldron [4d\]: J13 now?

kibarosman [ 7k \]: can w win the ko if he starts it?
Xopods [ 1k+\]: It's not really much of a ko
]
;W[gq]
;B[gp]C[Pilsun [4k\]: b+(-3.5)
Xanthus [2d?\]: is l11 double sente?
waykay [3k\]: no no
waykay [3k\]: Seattle Go center
Xanthus [2d?\]: oh lol

froggy [ 1d \]: substantial is > 5?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: if w J13, you think b will just H12?
]
;W[ki]WL[300]C[Xanthus [2d?\]: it's a blunde r:p
Nightmare [1k\]: w needs c8 now?
]
;B[lh]BL[39]C[Rookwood [3k\]: unless we haven't had our coffee yet... then we're not nice
NeoNemesis [?\]: w + e^(i*pi)
]
;W[gi]WL[280]
;B[hh]BL[600]C[FrostDragn [1d\]: right...
uter [2d\]: f1?

Xopods [ 1k+\]: Yeah, looks like W's ahead on the board to me, so > komi.
]
;W[is]C[teamsoco [12k\]: that means black wins
AWA [13k\]: no you're mistaken
simplet [1d\]: why not white m12?
MysticoN [1d\]: f1 

kibarosman [ 7k \]: and komi is 8
]
;B[kb]
;W[jc]C[dougghost [3k\]: are they playing in a real goban?
pergolesi [1d\]: does a9 create a ko?
JKC [-\]: a 9p losing to a 9d...nonsense
MysticoN [1d\]: oh wait
MysticoN [1d\]: f1 doesnt work
FujiwarSai [8k?\]: 9p has lost to 7d

pansan24 [22k \]: ?
kibarosman [ 7k \]: so w wins easily
Xopods [ 1k+\]: 8?  Good lord
pansan24 [22k \]: why didnt they change it in game stats?
]
;B[jl]C[lamka: hmm
JKC [-\]: 9p so isnt 9p then
rabarbar [1d\]: japan rules ? not AGA rules of counting ?
waykay [3k\]: Rank isn't everything
AWA [13k\]: clearly w+3x|x>6^z13-~g
fhayashi [5k\]: ING rules, i think.
taizen [?\]: the current picture at www.usgo.org shows the players and the board
MysticoN [1d\]: Jie Li really in shape
Podiceps [15k\]: yes Ing rules

kibarosman [ 7k \]: who knows? it's been 8 all tourney
fractic [11k \]: The game is scored by ing rules anyway
Zodiac107 [17k?\]: sais . 6.5 komi in the info though
fractic [11k \]: IGS doesn't support that
]
;W[kh]
;B[mh]C[dougghost [3k\]: are they playing in a real goban?
MysticoN [1d\]: yes
waykay [3k\]: of course
FlameBlade [-\]: with legs!
Demon [-\]: on*
rabarbar [1d\]: if ING than with this semadori not gained ?
Demon [-\]: yes
FujiwarSai [8k?\]: rank is everythihng, and until you get at least 1d you are nothing
waykay [3k\]: ashi :)
velobici [2k?\]: yes both are in the goban
yoof [2k\]: Neonemesis, are you saying that W's chances are Imaginary?
rabarbar [1d\]: B not gained*
NeoNemesis [?\]: negative

pansan24 [22k \]: i see
zpy [ 4d+\]: G4 should be F5
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: what are ing rules?
]
;W[sj]
;B[si]
;W[sk]
;B[jk]C[NeoNemesis [?\]: i knew jie was going to win before the tournament even started
lamka: in the goban? 8-)
]
;W[jj]C[dougghost [3k\]: thanks all
Xanthus [2d?\]: then why say w-1? :p

fractic [11k \]: complicated?
fractic [11k \]: try SL
chad [ 2d+\]: so M11 was worth no extra points to w
]
;B[ge]
;W[de]
;B[ie]C[pergolesi [1d\]: isnt A9 a good move for b?
basso [3k\]: g5!
JKC [-\]: I thikn w hite got this one by atlesast 15 or so
GoTraining [11k\]: white 86.5 black 70 so white + 16.5
Nightmare [1k\]: wow Jie Li looks nothing like Jet Li [accourding to www.usgo.org\]
abbadan [-\]:  f2 
Pilsun [4k\]: w+4.5^(i^-2)/0
crouton [3k?\]: *kgs crash*
eS0rven [6k\]: SE !!
fhayashi [5k\]: so, who's gonna update Jie Li's entry in wikipedia after this?

pansan24 [22k \]: hahahahaha
gemgo [ 3d+\]: b lost
zpy [ 4d+\]: b lost big.
]
;W[al]C[JKC [-\]: SE?
Xanthus [2d?\]: http://xkcd.com/c179.html
crouton [3k?\]: haha

eaton [10k+\]: yes
]
;B[jp]C[pansan24 [22k \]: why doesnt he just resign then?
]
;W[ks]C[FrostDragn [1d\]: there is NO hope now...
waykay [3k\]: fhayashi, *everyone*
crouton [3k?\]: i like the sudo one xanthus
velobici [2k?\]: yeah...an edit war at wikipedia !
AWA [13k\]: w+(-14c+(portapotty)[92+gfhtsbsdhsecsfs(2)\]

chad [ 2d+\]: she
pansan24 [22k \]: ah
pansan24 [22k \]: sorry
eaton [10k+\]: really
pansan24 [22k \]: whay doesnt she just resign then?
Omega88 [22k?\]: can they read this?
]
;B[kn]C[Rehzzide [8k\]: k
Xanthus [2d?\]: the whole comic is awesome :p
fhayashi [5k\]: just make sure you adopt a 'neutral' viewpoint regarding Jie Li.

rasa [17k?\]: Yes
Xopods [ 1k+\]: I may have miscounted (or forgotten what I counted for W) but I think I counted that Black's actually ahead by 2 on the board, so only down by 6 with komi, but yeah, definitely a loss
eaton [10k+\]: no
]
;W[ko]C[crouton [3k?\]: lol.
]
;B[ls]C[fractic [11k \]: I think this game is played on a board anyway not like the league games
Omega88 [22k?\]: haha thats lucky
]
;W[js]C[Javaness [1d\]: hi hi hi

Omega88 [22k?\]: ahhh
]
;B[ab]C[gemgo [ 3d+\]: 9p shd be better than 9d?
]
;W[ad]C[abbadan [-\]: f2 
HKA [2d\]: she cannot give komi
JKC [-\]: 7.5 komi...isnt it suppose to be 5.5
hgfuygq: f2 - f1, nothing there
waykay [3k\]: Nope, she can't.  All 3 games were white wins by komi
mmcr13 [13k\]: no japan changed it again
fhayashi [5k\]: it's whatever the Ing rules says it is
fhayashi [5k\]: they aren't in Japan
simplet [1d\]: f2 is dame
HKA [2d\]: JKC - it is an ING game
JKC [-\]: so its 6.5 komi or 7.5?
baltimore [3k\]: 8
JKC [-\]: ING?
mmcr13 [13k\]: yeah
GoTraining [11k\]: komi in japan is 6.5
taizen [?\]: and it is 6.5 in Japan now
rabarbar [1d\]: yea, its japan rules but 7,5 komi 
pwaldron [4d\]: 7.5 = 8 pts Ing
mmcr13 [13k\]: its still the same
rabarbar [1d\]: under "rules "
Genius [2d\]: i count w+10
fhayashi [5k\]: ING rules is a ruleset that was put together by a now dead person who was pretty wealthy

Omega88 [22k?\]: yup
chad [ 2d+\]: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/fengyun/
Xopods [ 1k+\]: Feng Yun is supposedly the second strongest female player, after Rui Naiwei
Omega88 [22k?\]: wow
chad [ 2d+\]: Feng Yun Go School
Xopods [ 1k+\]: Or at least last time I heard, a few years ago
kibarosman [ 7k \]: aren't there only 2 9p female players in the world?
pansan24 [22k \]: hmm... why is it that they split it by sexes?
Xopods [ 1k+\]: They don't, really
Zodiac107 [17k?\]: old tradition probobly
]
;B[ip]C[dougghost [3k\]: are they really one hour game?
Rehzzide [8k\]: oh wow, pretty and wealthy, and played go?
Pilsun [4k\]: ann arbor go club uses Ing stones
Rehzzide [8k\]: my kinda person
FujiwarSai [8k?\]: Ing stones suck
Rehzzide [8k\]: i agree
waykay [3k\]: Indeed
fhayashi [5k\]: he spent a lot of money and effort in trying to popularize his ruleset

kibarosman [ 7k \]: they don't
Xopods [ 1k+\]: They have female-only tournaments, but all the major titles are open to both genders
pansan24 [22k \]: ah
pansan24 [22k \]: i see
Xopods [ 1k+\]: There are no male-only tournaments
pansan24 [22k \]: thats a relief
kibarosman [ 7k \]: just xopods' comment was funny: "second strongest female"
pansan24 [22k \]: not that im a woman
]
;W[ll]C[GoTraining [11k\]: black f1 makes white fill in at m8?
dougghost [3k\]: are they really one hour game?
GoTraining [11k\]: nvm ^^
velobici [2k?\]: i like ing stones for a knock about set
basso [3k\]: f5 gained  f6 I don't understand J15 at all!!!
kvzrock [1d\]: congrats to jie li
fhayashi [5k\]: so at what point near the end of a game is it rude to resign?
FujiwarSai [8k?\]: Ing stones are good for giving toddlers something to chew on
sbcap [4d\]: Mr. Ing might have some enemy, but not GO
mmcr13 [13k\]: its to gain small points
crouton [3k?\]: congrats to jie :D
Holmes [-\]: there's something I didn't understand there too, basso
racine [1d\]: basso : f5 -> a8
racine [1d\]: gains nothing
Rehzzide [8k\]: ing stones are fun break open
sbcap [4d\]: He should be loved by every GO fan, especially amricans
Pilsun [4k\]: don't Ing stones contain lead?
basso [3k\]: continue racine

Omega88 [22k?\]: hahaha
wolfstar [ 3d \]: and theres a large difference in ability between Rui Naiwei and Feng Yun as evident by their recent game in the 1st Dali Cup Female Tournament
tiger3nt [ 4k+\]: but they are female only tournments
zpy [ 4d+\]: white win without komi.
Xopods [ 1k+\]: There just aren't as many females who play, so the field is smaller, thus there are only a couple of females who can compete at an international level
pansan24 [22k \]: it must cut back on the smell
eaton [10k+\]: zpy is right
Omega88 [22k?\]: what are komi?
chad [ 2d+\]: anyone know why she left?
pansan24 [22k \]: points awarded to white
Xopods [ 1k+\]: Actually, only Rui Naiwei is really competitive, but at least Feng Yun is 9p, so she gets respect, even if Rui Naiwei kicks her ass
]
;B[op]BL[311]
;W[fs]WL[124]C[Rehzzide [8k\]: like something metal in it, thats all i know
GoTraining [11k\]: black has to fill in g9... so he must g12 first
velobici [2k?\]: steel not lead
GoTraining [11k\]: darn i was off
katja [3d?\]: i heard it was chemical waste inside
blueshoe [2k\]: i can't replay game?
GoTraining [11k\]: 11.5 maybe
racine [1d\]: basso : b can never atari
waykay [3k\]: there can't be a .5
simplet [1d\]: f1 strange
Holmes [-\]: ok
Rookwood [3k\]: it's nougat
Xanthus [2d?\]: I heard it was plutonium
Holmes [-\]: understood now, thanks :)

pansan24 [22k \]: for playing second
Omega88 [22k?\]: oh
Xopods [ 1k+\]: But Naiwei is awesome. She plays in Korea and there was one tournament where she and her husband ended up playing vs. each other in the final
Omega88 [22k?\]: good practice at home haha
kibarosman [ 7k \]: wow, tough crowd at night

NAMT2006 [?\]: Black Resigns
NAMT2006 [ 9p \]: Black Resigns
onesickpup [ 5k+\]: i think he needed komi
cartan [16k?\]: aww
kibarosman [ 7k \]: take care, everyone
pansan24 [22k \]: good game
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: a9?
rasa [17k?\]: Ciao
zpy [ 4d+\]: w win by 9.5
eaton [10k+\]: zpy, where are you now?
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: why does black not play a9?
XScorpioX [ 7k \]: ahhh i see
play4fun [ 2d \]: w does not need the komi
JohnGu [ 3k \]: over?
aChuang [17k \]: I think sos
aChuang [17k \]: typo
play4fun [ 2d \]: yes, its over, b resigned
The game has been adjourned.

FujiwarSai [8k?\]: Ing stones are part of an ingenious evil plan to get rid of chemichal waste
masek [6k\]: white genious
crouton [3k?\]: :D
Rehzzide [8k\]: lol
desperado [2d\]: NAMT, say to Jie that Sami says congratulations.  he knows me ;-\]
waykay [3k\]: Congrats Jie Li!
Zioh [6k\]: gg
FujiwarSai [8k?\]: congrats
GoTraining [11k\]: f1 is a trick play
waykay [3k\]: Thank you Jon!
Holmes [-\]: great game !
GoTraining [11k\]: black should g12
Genius [2d\]: f1 doesnt work
fhayashi [5k\]: clap real loud for us, NAMT
NeoNemesis [?\]: jie ftw
masek [6k\]: found a way how to squeeze black=)in josse =)
Genius [2d\]: FTW!
kvzrock [1d\]: sad
Rookwood [3k\]: congratulations to w. impressive feat
au2 [1d\]: THANKS NAMT2006
fhayashi [5k\]: yes, thank you too, NAMT2006
Genius [2d\]: NAMT, thank us
runtt21 [?\]: thx namt!!!!
NAMT2006 [?\]: you are welcome
NeoNemesis [?\]: thx namt
NAMT2006 [?\]: sorry for the mistake in the record at the beginning
SuperBuddy [2k\]: Jie Li now going for Lee Changho!
masek [6k\]: thank you
Genius [2d\]: NAMT, tell jie congratulations (from Genius)
Dagga [1k?\]: thanks NAMT2006
AWA [13k\]: thank you
simplet [1d\]: thanks
JKC [-\]: Over
Xoc [10k?\]: was it again the cat? ^^
JKC [-\]: I counted and white wins by 11.5
Genius [2d\]: can you yell this to Jie-> Genius says you played great, baby
fhayashi [5k\]: There's a couple of nice vietnamese noodle shops on university avenue down the block from there.
NAMT2006 [?\]: no this time I was away feeding teh dog
Dagga [1k?\]: tell congrat for the two players !
Funchucks [2k\]: I don't understand f1
NAMT2006 [?\]: will do
FrostDragn [1d\]: thx
simplet [1d\]: i neither
FrostDragn [1d\]: tell them i say great game!!!
GoTraining [11k\]: f1 is a trick play to get black to respond
GoTraining [11k\]: he should simply g12
abbadan [-\]: thx
NAMT2006 [?\]: I know Jie looks at the Game record so he will see all your comments
Gellyware [4k?\]: f1 takes away black from getting an eye there
hgfuygq: f1 is just dame, you fill dame when no point left
GoTraining [11k\]: cause g9 is a false eye
Genius [2d\]: who is jie on kgs
fhayashi [5k\]: ... i still think he is Tartrate
Gellyware [4k?\]: black will ahve to connect at g9 and capture g11  and f12
NeoNemesis [?\]: jie's kgs name is 'JLi'
Funchucks [2k\]: so black resigned after W played a dame point?
GoTraining [11k\]: so g12 and f11 area  must
GoTraining [11k\]: then g9
crouton [3k?\]: it was SUPER DAME
abbadan [-\]: g12 . sure
Genius [2d\]: isnt he too weak to be tartrate
crouton [3k?\]: lol.
Funchucks [2k\]: dames are nuthin but trouble
Xanthus [2d?\]: he just beat a 9p
au2 [1d\]: w has a good lead
GoTraining [11k\]: why is he taking so long?
Gellyware [4k?\]: just beat a 9d pro
Gellyware [4k?\]: :))
fhayashi [5k\]: black resigned, GoTraining
GoTraining [11k\]: oh
mmcr13 [13k\]: he did
rabarbar [1d\]: was match to 2 wins ?
inte [?\]: and she's a she.
mmcr13 [13k\]: she sry
fhayashi [5k\]: yes.  Jie Li wins 2-1
crouton [3k?\]: did jie have W in the second game?
RickS [5k\]: yes
fhayashi [5k\]: Feng won first
crouton [3k?\]: you only win with W?
fhayashi [5k\]: i think all white players were winners
crouton [3k?\]: :\\
GoTraining [11k\]: so that means white +8.5
abbadan [-\]: exciting game
NAMT2006 [?\]: unfortunately I can't speak any chinese
crouton [3k?\]: hahaha
FrostDragn [1d\]: aww
crouton [3k?\]: try?
crouton [3k?\]: hahah
Shuzai [-\]: lol
Xanthus [2d?\]: can't you write it down phonetically? ^^
Shuzai [-\]: microphone?
NAMT2006 [?\]: i could if it was japanese or korean, but not chinese
Shuzai [-\]: lol
NAMT2006 [?\]: sorry no microphone
sbcap [4d\]: NAMT = Mr. Cha?
desperado [2d\]: when is Jie getting back home?
NAMT2006 [?\]: NAMT = Jon Boley
NAMT2006 [?\]: no idea
sbcap [4d\]: Hi Jon
NAMT2006 [?\]: rar
NAMT2006 [?\]: hello gghhgs
nimra [7k?\]: game is finished?
Shuzai [-\]: yes
FlameBlade [-\]: thank you very much for broadcasting
NAMT2006 [?\]: Today, Dennis Wheeler was timekeeper
NAMT2006 [?\]: you are welcome
NAMT2006 [?\]: but I warn you next time I do this I"m asking jyem
desperado [2d\]: thanks NAMT
NAMT2006 [?\]: for the abillity to boot people
abbadan [-\]: thanks you very much!
au2 [1d\]: Are the players reviewing the game?
desperado [2d\]: could you get Jie to the computer later?
NAMT2006 [?\]: yes
NAMT2006 [?\]: i'm learning a ton
NAMT2006 [?\]: but now way for me to relay
NAMT2006 [?\]: sorry
Javaness [1d\]: thanks NAMT
abbadan [-\]: thanks anyway-bye now
DarkGuard [2k\]: white wins uh
mmcr13 [13k\]: did b resign
au2 [1d\]: yes b resigned
JKC [-\]: feh black never had a chance at the end])
(;B[rq]
;W[rr]
;B[pq]
;W[sp]
;B[qr]
;W[sq]
;B[op]C[DarkGuard [2k\]: who won?
NAMT2006 [?\]: and I'm tired so will have to wait for there review later
]))
