(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:1.4]ST[1]

SZ[19]KM[8]
PW[Xuefen Lin]WR[1p]PB[Jie Li]BR[9d]RE[B+24]TM[600]DT[2006-10-18]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2006]

;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[qp]
;W[op]
;B[dd]
;W[pn]
;B[oq]
;W[nq]
;B[pq]
;W[mp]
;B[rn]
;W[cf]
;B[fq]
;W[iq]
;B[cn]
;W[dn]
;B[dm]
;W[en]
;B[cq]
;W[co]
;B[dq]
;W[bp]
;B[di]
;W[ef]
;B[fd]
;W[bd]
;B[cc]
;W[bi]
;B[hp]
;W[gq]
;B[gp]
;W[fr]
;B[ep]
;W[er]
;B[hq]
;W[gr]
;B[hr]
;W[eq]
;B[eo]
;W[fn]
;B[fp]
;W[dr]
;B[bq]
;W[cp]
;B[do]
;W[bn]
;B[cm]
;W[br]
;B[bm]
;W[cr]
;B[hn]
;W[fl]
;B[dk]C[godzilla [ 1d?\]: quiet crowd...]
;W[ej]
;B[dj]
;W[ir]
;B[ip]
;W[kq]C[diemorph [14k+\]: game seems kinda simple in comparison to the meijin :)]
;B[dg]C[godzilla [ 1d?\]: early yet]
;W[hl]C[godzilla [ 1d?\]: also the meijin is played much more slowly...
godzilla [ 1d?\]: fwiw
diemorph [14k+\]: yes, true.  the nature of the games is certainly different, not to mention the skill level of the players
godzilla [ 1d?\]: afaik these are pros...]
;B[kp]C[FRED [ 3d+\]: w is
FRED [ 3d+\]: b no, but beats a few pros]
;W[lp]C[godzilla [ 1d?\]: good enough, tnx]
;B[jp]C[FRED [ 3d+\]: b one of the top ama players in the US
diemorph [14k+\]: I don't mean to demean their skills by any means
diemorph [14k+\]: however Cho U and Takao Shinj are top players in japan, which are stronger then the strongest players in the U.S.
zephi [ 6k+\]: things don't look so good for b]
;W[jq]
;B[jl]C[StoneTiger [ 2k?\]: when is meijin?]
;W[ij]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: tonight
StoneTiger [ 2k?\]: cool
modest1 [ 5k+\]: B in trouble ?
zephi [ 6k+\]: mutual trouble, looks like
diemorph [14k+\]: I like W]
;B[jj]C[godzilla [ 1d?\]: I'd worry about the left group... but b has time to settle them yet...
modest1 [ 5k+\]: W's f8 group is light
zephi [ 6k+\]: d14 looks painfult for w
velobici [11k?\]: f8 is light....so many stones....flexible, resilent but light?
godzilla [ 1d?\]: full of helium?
zephi [ 6k+\]: f6 kinda heavy
modest1 [ 5k+\]: Hidgoren light ;-)
modest1 [ 5k+\]: hydrogen *
zephi [ 6k+\]: I'd say...medium weight
zephi [ 6k+\]: a little too much of a burden there to really call it light]
;W[ii]
;B[df]
;W[cg]
;B[ce]
;W[be]
;B[ji]
;W[ih]
;B[jh]
;W[if]C[modest1 [ 5k+\]: hm... d14 was a good move !]
;B[jg]
;W[he]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: why, thankyou, modest]
;B[hc]
;W[ke]
;B[ik]
;W[hk]
;B[ig]
;W[hg]
;B[gi]C[velobici [11k?\]: Jie Li knows his go proverbs :)]
;W[hj]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: which one is that?]
;B[fh]C[velobici [11k?\]: strike at the middle of three stones]
;W[gh]
;B[gg]
;W[hh]
;B[gf]
;W[hf]
;B[jf]
;W[je]
;B[id]
;W[ie]C[velobici [11k?\]: Dont peep where you can cut]
;B[fj]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: b got so strong...w now looks in real bad shape
zephi [ 6k+\]: is there any way to salvage this game for w?
malf [ 4k \]: just fyi, for anyone interested, Jie Li is the #1 rated player in the AGA, Mingjiu Jiang 7p is #3, Lin Xuefan is #7]
;W[hm]
;B[jn]
;W[nd]
;B[kc]
;W[jc]C[godzilla [ 1d?\]: what was light is now heavy...?
velobici [11k?\]: playing on dame]
;B[jb]C[velobici [11k?\]: when was it light ?]
;W[lc]
;B[lb]C[godzilla [ 1d?\]: when it was not heavy]
;W[kd]
;B[kb]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: before it got cut, pethaps
godzilla [ 1d?\]: perception is 9/10ths of observing a go game?
velobici [11k?\]: too many stones to be light...unless a trade could be arranged]
;W[of]
;B[qf]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: there was a trade
zephi [ 6k+\]: b gave up corner to pursue this]
;W[ph]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: w got heavy trying to avoid payin for the corner
velobici [11k?\]: yes, but that does not figure in the discussion of f8 group light or not ;)
godzilla [ 1d?\]: some said it was a light shape... earlier
zephi [ 6k+\]: you don't pay attention O.o]
;B[mi]
;W[pf]
;B[qg]
;W[qe]
;B[qd]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: w seems to have less than 40 pts with little potential to expand
zephi [ 6k+\]: hope he knows some magic]
;W[pe]
;B[re]
;W[rd]
;B[rc]C[velobici [11k?\]: white ~26 pts on bottom, 5-10 points on right,  a little inthe middle plus komi about 45]
;W[od]
;B[qh]C[velobici [11k?\]: b17 is getting to be a bigger and bigger move]
;W[qi]C[velobici [11k?\]: for both]
;B[pi]C[chad [ 2d \]: C2@A3?]
;W[oh]C[modest1 [ 5k+\]: W s11 ?]
;B[oi]
;W[ri]
;B[sd]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: c2 @ a3 is exactly the same outcome, isn't it?
chad [ 2d \]: only 1 ko threat for b?]
;W[ni]
;B[nj]
;W[nh]
;B[ok]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: still looks like 2 to me
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: A5 yose is the same. A3 is a points losing ko threat]
;W[pk]
;B[ol]
;W[qm]C[chad [ 2d \]: how many points]
;B[rm]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: if w ignore...or if w answers?
modest1 [ 5k+\]: a5 is a ko treat itself, isn't it ?]
;W[rk]C[hippomanes [ 4d?\]: three
zephi [ 6k+\]: if you need a ko threat there, it really has to be atari
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: A3 - A5
zephi [ 6k+\]: unless it's a half point ko]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]
;B[oo]C[hippomanes [ 4d?\]: A5 is a ko threat to play A3
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: Also correct yose
zephi [ 6k+\]: threat to play a3 is pretty empry since it wouldn't connect b?
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: W is getting in a mess
modest1 [ 5k+\]: W cutted ?
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: A5 threatens A3]
;W[km]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: but a3 wouldn't work since w just plays a2 and b still can't connect
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: Yes he can!]
;B[jm]C[hippomanes [ 4d?\]: Got it?
chad [ 2d \]: he can now, so where do you get that C2@A3 loses 3 pts~?
zephi [ 6k+\]: just plain atari if you need w to answer
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: C2 and A3 are the same
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: A3 is better
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: The ko threat is smaller
zephi [ 6k+\]: w tenukis, b plays a3, w plays a6 and b catches only 2 stones
chad [ 2d \]: well but that's what i suggested in the first place...
zephi [ 6k+\]: if you need w to answer, just a4 is bigger]
;W[on]C[chad [ 2d \]: so if A3 is better, why didn't they play?]
;B[no]
;W[mm]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: that's why dans are so mysterious?]
;B[np]C[hippomanes [ 4d?\]: Normally playing from the inside is correct, easy mistake]
;W[mq]C[modest1 [ 5k+\]: The question of  W q9 group seems far more interested for them ... ;-)]
;B[nn]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: looks like w lives]
;W[nm]
;B[om]C[fractic [11k \]: isn't B leading either way?
zephi [ 6k+\]: probably
velobici [11k?\]: just count
fry [ 6d \]: b is not your average dan
modest1 [ 5k+\]: I do not see how W lives...
zephi [ 6k+\]: brings his own picnic basket?
zephi [ 6k+\]: maybe fry knows if a3 has any advantage over c2?
fry [ 6d \]: what a strange question
velobici [11k?\]: c2 is solid...many less forcing moves for black
velobici [11k?\]: why fancy when solid works well
fry [ 6d \]: a3 and c2 are the same thing]
;W[kk]C[fractic [11k \]: with A3 W only has losing ko threaths right?
fractic [11k \]: B*
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: A3 leaves a smaller ko threat at a5. But there are more important things to spend your time on inless you're meijin!
fry [ 6d \]: ???
chad [ 2d \]: thanks fry
fractic [11k \]: can't argue with that hippo
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: A5 as a ko threat now threatens A3.
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: So there
fry [ 6d \]: wonderful...
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: :-)
Mouse [ 4d \]: we might have a different meijin tonight :(
modest1 [ 5k+\]: L9 does not help to cut B at o10 ?
fry [ 6d \]: this b has beaten many pros]
;B[kl]C[fry [ 6d \]: and many more than once
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: On even?
fry [ 6d \]: of course
zephi [ 6k+\]: tada
FRED [ 3d+\]: he has beaten 3 pros in this namt
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: Anyone really strong?
fry [ 6d \]: yes
zephi [ 6k+\]: 9p strong enough for ya?]
;W[ll]C[hippomanes [ 4d?\]: Er...]
;B[lk]
;W[mk]
;B[lj]C[modest1 [ 5k+\]: Is B 9p ?
zephi [ 6k+\]: squeeze works, nice :)
velobici [11k?\]: no....black is 9d
zephi [ 6k+\]: w outclassed
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: W is squeezing 2 eyes. But expensive]
;W[pl]
;B[nl]C[chad [ 2d \]: O8? why
modest1 [ 5k+\]: Why not W n10 ?
zephi [ 6k+\]: w tryin to force b to connect...b wants profit for it tho
modest1 [ 5k+\]: It seemes to me B die first then...
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: throw in and squeeze
zephi [ 6k+\]: you do see w can't cut, right?
modest1 [ 5k+\]: Yes, B alive = W dead
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: W is stopping B playing Q7 so he can get 2 eyes.
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: But B gets centre bits and sente. Good enough]
;W[rh]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: w not really gettin more than 6 pts from the right
modest1 [ 5k+\]: W is to make 2 eyes, if possible ;-)
fractic [11k \]: Q10 - P10 - R10 lives right?
chad [ 2d \]: why is O8 not dame?
fry [ 6d \]: N17]
;B[rg]
;W[rl]C[modest1 [ 5k+\]: B q5 ?]
;B[bc]
;W[bk]C[hippomanes [ 4d?\]: B17 at last. That was a long sente sequence first!!
velobici [11k?\]: been waiting for b17
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: N6 left for B
velobici [11k?\]: who asked how does q9 group live ?]
;B[mn]C[modest1 [ 5k+\]: n6 or m5 do not work unless B q5]
;W[ln]
;B[ml]
;W[qn]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: you sure about that, sport?
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: Now W has to live again. Ow
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: retract
velobici [11k?\]: its hard to retract, but we all have to do it from time to time
velobici [11k?\]: except fry...he stays quiet unless sure]
;B[lf]C[hippomanes [ 4d?\]: Where's the delete key for the bb
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: :-(
chad [ 2d \]: M14 is the other direction ~:"]
;W[pc]
;B[qc]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: it's almost like b doesn't care what w does anymore ^^
velobici [11k?\]: close game it seems, no?
hippomanes [ 4d?\]: B is milles ahead.  Bye
modest1 [ 5k+\]: W is short on time also
velobici [11k?\]: my count must be off
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: B way ahead
zephi [ 6k+\]: has been for some time
xgc [ 2d+\]: BUL is abou 30
velobici [11k?\]: oops missed the e14 area....need sleep]
;W[me]
;B[mc]
;W[nc]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: so hard for w T_T
zephi [ 6k+\]: gettin bullied]
;B[ro]
;W[hd]
;B[gd]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[ns]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]
;B[mf]
;W[nf]C[shinsei [ 5k+\]: What kind of tournament is this?]
;B[an]C[velobici [11k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?NAMT]
;W[ci]C[xedover: http://www.seattlegocenter.org/namt/]
;B[dh]C[shinsei [ 5k+\]: thank you]
;W[ac]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: w is more than 10 behind...wonder why he keeps goin?]
;B[ab]
;W[ad]
;B[cd]
;W[bf]
;B[bo]
;W[aq]C[shinsei [ 5k+\]: fighting spirit ;) ?
godzilla [ 1d?\]: komi?]
;B[bb]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: insanity?
zephi [ 6k+\]: even with komi I reckon b about 20 ahead]
;W[ps]
;B[qr]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: but my yose sucks so I put it back to just more than 10 ;)]
;W[qs]
;B[rs]
;W[os]
;B[ek]C[modest1 [ 5k+\]: e9 > s2 ?]
;W[hs]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: w s2 is gote
zephi [ 6k+\]: I'd imagine if w takes it, b m5
zephi [ 6k+\]: (after s3, of course)
modest1 [ 5k+\]: B can't m5 = w n5
xgc [ 2d+\]: I have b up 16]
;B[mb]
;W[md]
;B[pb]
;W[nb]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: both m5 and l6 come out roughly the same, but m5 has more a chance of bein sente]
;B[rq]
;W[pj]
;B[oj]
;W[mh]
;B[lh]
;W[kf]
;B[lg]C[Mouse [ 4d \]: hmm, w is far behind it seems
fractic [11k \]: m5 loses points and l6 gains points though]
;W[ic]
;B[ib]
;W[jd]
;B[ld]
;W[le]
;B[gn]
;W[el]
;B[bl]
;W[al]
;B[ck]
;W[cj]
;B[lm]
;W[lo]
;B[sh]
;W[si]
;B[sg]
;W[ob]
;B[pa]
;W[ma]
;B[la]
;W[oa]
;B[qb]
;W[dl]
;B[cl]
;W[il]
;B[jk]
;W[kg]
;B[kh]
;W[ge]
;B[fe]
;W[sl]
;B[kn]
;W[sm]
;B[sn]
;W[po]
;B[pp]
;W[ko]
;B[jo]
;W[fo]
;B[go]
;W[im]
;B[in]
;W[fk]
;B[gm]
;W[gj]
;B[fi]
;W[gl]
;B[pm]
;W[pg]
;B[mg]
;W[ng]
;B[am]
;W[ak]
;B[ao]
;W[oc]
;B[lc]
;W[na]
;B[qo]
;W[ql]
;B[tt]
;W[tt]
;B[tt]TB[aa][ba][bn][ca][cb][da][db][dc][de][ea][eb][ec][ed][ee][ef][eg][eh][ei][ej][fa][fb][fc][ff][fg][ga][gb][gc][ha][hb][ho][ia][io][ja][ka][ki][kj][kk][km][li][ll][mj][mk][mm][nk][nm][op][qa][qq][ra][rb][rd][rf][rp][rr][sa][sb][sc][se][sf][so][sp][sq][sr][ss]TW[ae][af][ag][ah][ai][aj][ar][as][bg][bj][bq][bs][cq][cs][dq][ds][es][fs][gk][gs][id][is][jr][js][kr][ks][lq][lr][ls][ms][ne][nr][oe][og][qj][qk][rj][sj][sk]C[W 50.5 B 76.0
white time: 72:36
black time: 47:50])
