(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:1.4]ST[1]

SZ[19]KM[8]
PW[Mingjiu Jiang]WR[7p]PB[Feng Yun]BR[9p]RE[W+1.0]TM[600]DT[2006-10-12]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2006]

;B[pd]
;W[dc]
;B[dp]
;W[pp]
;B[ce]
;W[di]
;B[fd]
;W[de]
;B[dd]
;W[ed]
;B[cd]
;W[ec]
;B[ee]
;W[df]
;B[cc]
;W[eb]
;B[cb]C[fool [ 2k+\]: top left is joseki?]
;W[fe]
;B[ef]
;W[dg]C[Iroh [ 9k?\]: not in kogo's
zephi [ 6k \]: is this namt by any chance?
xedover: http://www.seattlegocenter.org/namt/
b4k4 [14k \]: yep
Iroh [ 9k?\]: yes this is the League A game ( first of 2 today)
fool [ 2k+\]: that is what they say]
;B[ge]C[zediir [22k?\]: cool
zephi [ 6k \]: there's lots not in kogo's, but I think this should be
mgelo1 [12k?\]: this game a little faster than yesterday :)]
;W[ff]
;B[eg]C[zephi [ 6k \]: if not I'm sure it says this is one of the more complicated joseki with too many variations to include
gorga [13k \]: komi is 8?
xedover: yes, Ing rules
gorga [13k \]: so it can end a draw?
Ukje [ BC \]: what kind of game is this?
mgelo1 [12k?\]: is it over internet?
Iroh [ 9k?\]: IIRC  Black wins tie's in ING rules
gorga [13k \]: ok thx
Ukje [ BC \]: so it's really 7.5, the komi, then
fool [ 2k+\]: i thought it was mathematically impossible to have a tie with ing rules
Tweedie [ BC \]: i thought it was white wins tie games under Ing rules
fool [ 2k+\]: teaches me to listen to jasiek
Iroh [ 9k?\]: that is what you get for reading r.g.g. fool
fool [ 2k+\]: that is why i stopped 5 years ago
zephi [ 6k \]: well, this doesn't seems good for b without a ladder
mgelo1 [12k?\]: shouldn't W do something about E 18 group?
gorga [13k \]: stronger player takes B in ING?
Bokudo [10k?\]: can anyone here tell me what "p" stands for in the ranking? I know "D" for dan and "k" for kyu, but what is "p"?]
;W[gd]C[gorga [13k \]: pro
fool [ 2k+\]: pro dan
Bokudo [10k?\]: aah ^^
Bokudo [10k?\]: thankyou
Tweedie [ BC \]: my invention.  :-)
Bokudo [10k?\]: wow that means these are pretty elite O_O
gorga [13k \]: y
fool [ 2k+\]: tweet invented many things
mgelo1 [12k?\]: how many (p's are there in the world?
b4k4 [14k \]: lol
Bokudo [10k?\]: lol
mgelo1 [12k?\]: 9p's
fool [ 2k+\]: i believe toaster struedel is one of his]
;B[dh]C[xedover: Ing rules - black wins tie
tealeaf [22k?\]: Just to confirm: according to http://usgo.org/resources/SST.html the komi should be 8 points, with black winning the tie.
xedover: players nigiri for color]
;W[ch]
;B[eh]
;W[cg]C[gorga [13k \]: oh
Tweedie [ BC \]: when IGS first started, we needed some method to distinguish pro players from amateur players
gorga [13k \]: so this is considered even game?
Tweedie [ BC \]: so i came up with using  '
Tweedie [ BC \]: p
Bokudo [10k?\]: cool :D]
;B[dk]C[fool [ 2k+\]: but not toaster struedel?
gorga [13k \]: tweedie youre IGS founder?
Tweedie [ BC \]: one of 3
gorga [13k \]: gj
mgelo1 [12k?\]: tweedie what happened to teaching ladder?]
;W[ei]C[Bokudo [10k?\]: that is soooo awesome XD]
;B[gf]C[Tweedie [ BC \]: no idea what happened to the teaching ladder
gorga [13k \]: maybe you can fix so i wont get disconnected when i watch meijin matches while sleeping :P
Tweedie [ BC \]: IGS has nothing to do with connections
gorga [13k \]: oh
Tweedie [ BC \]: connections are separate from IGS
mgelo1 [12k?\]: i think it disconnects when players are taking too long for a move
smoker [ 1d \]: you can stay 10 hours online without touching the computer
mgelo1 [12k?\]: but that' smy theory
Tweedie [ BC \]: that involves the Internet, and your routing, and ISP
smoker [ 1d \]: or 24 hours:)
gorga [13k \]: i always miss the end of the title matches :/
Bokudo [10k?\]: beeh I wanna see a title match too T_T I have only been in here for a few days, never knew this existed till a friend told me >:<
zediir [22k?\]: changed client to one that records the moves
mgelo1 [12k?\]: e.g. if someone is to play a 30 min byo game and you're waqtching it, you won't be disconnected
Tweedie [ BC \]: my advice is not to fall asleep
Tweedie [ BC \]: then you won't miss the end
Bokudo [10k?\]: XD good advice
gorga [13k \]: well i live in sweden :P
Tweedie [ BC \]: change location
Iroh [ 9k?\]: or just get the .sgf the next day
Bokudo [10k?\]: sweeden?? I live in denmark ^^
zediir [22k?\]: I live in finland
mgelo1 [12k?\]: sgf is not fun. No lively discussion :)
gorga [13k \]: but the sgfs seems protected sometimes
Tweedie [ BC \]: it's all about 7pm there now
gorga [13k \]: yeah the discussion is nice to have
Tweedie [ BC \]: too early to fall asleep
gorga [13k \]: yeah now
gorga [13k \]: but
gorga [13k \]: title matches are always at night
Tweedie [ BC \]: 7pm is not the night?
gorga [13k \]: from 1am to 9am or something
Bokudo [10k?\]: yea well, I am gonna stay up at night to watch them xD]
;W[fg]C[zephi [ 6k \]: have yet to see one of the japanese title matches finish]
;B[fh]C[chiiko [ 8k+\]: what is this match?]
;W[gg]C[gorga [13k \]: 7pm would be fine
Tweedie [ BC \]: for me, it is almost 9am]
;B[hg]
;W[gh]
;B[fi]C[zediir [22k?\]: 7pm here
gorga [13k \]: you live on hawaii? :P
Tweedie [ BC \]: california, usa
zephi [ 6k \]: not quite
gorga [13k \]: ok
Bokudo [10k?\]: hey tweedie do you have messenger?]
;W[ek]C[Tweedie [ BC \]: messenger?
Tweedie [ BC \]: what you mean?
Bokudo [10k?\]: oh, it is a communication program XD
gorga [13k \]: he wants to add you
Tweedie [ BC \]: i use email
Bokudo [10k?\]: XD yup
zediir [22k?\]: msn aim etc.
gorga [13k \]: and annoy you :P
Bokudo [10k?\]: ok, can I have your mail then? XD
Tweedie [ BC \]: i get lots of annoy all the time
Bokudo [10k?\]: annoy?? me?? never!! XD
Battousai [10k?\]: so much for game discussion =P
gopak [13k \]: :)
xedover: League A NAMT -- http://www.seattlegocenter.org/namt/]
;B[ej]
;W[dj]
;B[fj]
;W[ck]
;B[dl]
;W[cl]C[chiiko [ 8k+\]: cheers]
;B[dm]C[Tinetesan [ 4k?\]: is tia live game?
Tweedie [ BC \]: yes
gorga [13k \]: are you involved in any new interesting project tweedie?
Tinetesan [ 4k?\]: tahnks :)
Tweedie [ BC \]: no
gorga [13k \]: no AI for go? :P]
;W[bn]C[fool [ 2k+\]: we need AI for kib
gorga [13k \]: :)
zephi [ 6k \]: hehe
zephi [ 6k \]: it'd be easier than a gi ai too
zephi [ 6k \]: *go
chiiko [ 8k+\]: not really
fool [ 2k+\]: should b be happy with his wall?  seems unsatisfying
Bokudo [10k?\]: can I add a link to your site on my site?? I have begun to make a board game site >.< Go are there too, but there will be lots of other board games as well...
Tweedie [ BC \]: black is a she
fool [ 2k+\]: can't even really call it thickness :(
zephi [ 6k \]: I think it might come in handi]
;B[hi]C[Ukje [ BC \]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?GetStrongAtKibitz
gorga [13k \]: men and women compete in same leagues?
mgelo1 [12k?\]: hmm black is improving her wall
Tweedie [ BC \]: FengYun is one of two lady 9p players in the world
gorga [13k \]: impressive
Bokudo [10k?\]: wow wild O.o
fool [ 2k+\]: well - do you think b is happy with her wall?
Ukje [ BC \]: there are only 2?
Tweedie [ BC \]: she lives in the USA
mgelo1 [12k?\]: is there money for go players in the US?
Tweedie [ BC \]: i would be happy
fool [ 2k+\]: w 12 points on the side?
mgelo1 [12k?\]: it's not a terribly thick wall, but if it was, B would win easily
Ukje [ BC \]: i checked gobase, there are 3
Ukje [ BC \]: still not many :(
Tweedie [ BC \]: 3, then my info is out of date
Ukje [ BC \]: Kung Xiang-Ming and Rui Naiwei
Tweedie [ BC \]: so one of three then
fool [ 2k+\]: b 10 points in corner?
gorga [13k \]: how many male 9p?
Tweedie [ BC \]: no idea
Tweedie [ BC \]: more than 3
gorga [13k \]: :)
gorga [13k \]: but 9p is highest?
Tweedie [ BC \]: for now
Ukje [ BC \]: 195
gorga [13k \]: i thought men and women were separated in competitions]
;W[hf]
;B[he]
;W[hh]C[Bokudo [10k?\]: well those are 195 men I can't even dream of winning against >.<
gorga [13k \]: 195 9p?
gorga [13k \]: omg
Bokudo [10k?\]: O_O yea
oolong [ 2d?\]: about a hundred in Japan
mgelo1 [12k?\]: this is too many. They need a 10p then
Tweedie [ BC \]: hi david, long time no see
Bokudo [10k?\]: lol
oolong [ 2d?\]: too busy being a buddha
Tweedie [ BC \]: ic
oolong [ 2d?\]: you too?
jutima [22k?\]: Schopenhau is a 10d
gorga [13k \]: but not 10p :)
gorga [13k \]: also, he is admin and can alter his rank freely
oolong [ 2d?\]: almost never, too many medical problems
mgelo1 [12k?\]: there's a list of players on http://www.airsltd.com/namt/ but no results yet
Tweedie [ BC \]: oolong, please look at your chat window
Goran [ 3d \]: b gets a nice wall with j12
Iroh [ 9k?\]: http://www.eskimo.com/~wheelers/go/namt.html
minos [ BC \]: b J12
Iroh [ 9k?\]: has the results so far
mgelo1 [12k?\]: htx Iroh
Iroh [ 9k?\]: best place for figureing out when the next game will be too  :)]
;B[ih]
;W[ig]
;B[gi]
;W[fc]
;B[if]C[Bokudo [10k?\]: man I have to go soon, I do not hope this will close while I am gone, I want to save this game to look it over >.<
gorga [13k \]: it will close
gorga [13k \]: always does
PatWang [ 1d \]: sequence is wrong?]
;W[jg]C[Bokudo [10k?\]: darn it!! >.< oh well, I'll just try and stay as long as possible... as the fair beginner I am at Go, who is having the advantage right now?]
;B[hg]
;W[fd]
;B[ii]C[gorga [13k \]: the girl is on top
zediir [22k?\]: =)
Bokudo [10k?\]: she does play pretty good, white has a lesser opportunity to get a big territory than white at ther moment right?
Bokudo [10k?\]: *than black
Bokudo [10k?\]: XD
zediir [22k?\]: white has a lesser opportunity to get a big territory than *white* [black\] at ther moment right?
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: i think i prefer w
Bokudo [10k?\]: yea XD damn typos
Bokudo [10k?\]: bye everyone, gotta leave now
zediir [22k?\]: \\..
jutima [22k?\]: k17]
;W[dn]
;B[en]
;W[do]
;B[eo]
;W[ep]C[mgelo1 [12k?\]: wow that's a fast sequence
mgelo1 [12k?\]: E3 now?]
;B[cp]C[RoanInish [ 3k?\]: what tournament is this>
zediir [22k?\]: North American Masters Tournament
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: ic, thnx
zediir [22k?\]: A legue
klawman [ 1d?\]: C7
asmodee [ 2d+\]: or e7 maybe]
;W[cm]C[klawman [ 1d?\]: now E7
klawman [ 1d?\]: WB5
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: c6 first?
asmodee [ 2d+\]: b has to cover e7
zediir [22k?\]: c5
mgelo1 [12k?\]: can B sac these 3 stones?
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: b can't c5, w will e7
rayen [ 2k?\]: no
asmodee [ 2d+\]: no]
;B[em]C[gorga [13k \]: cya bukodo
oolong [ 2d?\]: loose wall
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: nvm.. i though b5.. , sorry zedir, blind
klawman [ 1d?\]: E3
zediir [22k?\]: yeah]
;W[fp]
;B[bo]
;W[cn]C[beland [22k?\]: e3]
;B[dr]
;W[ip]C[mgelo1 [12k?\]: e3 would have caused F3 in sente, huh]
;B[hd]
;W[hc]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]
;B[hb]C[jutima [22k?\]: end of game?
minos [ BC \]: no
LeT [ 1d \]: why ? :-)
beland [22k?\]: may be K17?
asmodee [ 2d+\]: far from over
mgelo1 [12k?\]: who won :)
zediir [22k?\]: I want food. but can't leave the computer until this ends =(
mgelo1 [12k?\]: order pizza :)]
;W[gb]
;B[gc]C[zediir [22k?\]: can't remember the number]
;W[ha]C[zediir [22k?\]: the pizza place is 50 meters away from here so...
Ukje [ BC \]: do you have their phone number?
zediir [22k?\]: no =(
Ukje [ BC \]: you have an intahweb, right?  can't you look it up?
azaz [ 2k+\]: eat ur mouse
zediir [22k?\]: =)
zediir [22k?\]: I'll just put some rice to cook
gorga [13k \]: make a burger while watching
mgelo1 [12k?\]: stop you're making me hungry
gorga [13k \]: i have my burger ready now
gorga [13k \]: mmm looks tasty
zediir [22k?\]: mmh... pizza with pineapple... double meat burger
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: doughnut *gaagghhh*  slobber... drool..
malf [ 4k \]: down, Homer
zediir [22k?\]: =)]
;B[hc]
;W[jb]
;B[jf]C[zediir [22k?\]: d'ough]
;W[hf]C[klawman [ 1d?\]: foo -d -l fou
mgelo1 [12k?\]: mmm... ko....
fool [ 2k+\]: this just doesn't look good for b]
;B[kc]C[RoanInish [ 3k?\]: c18 maybe was a mistake?]
;W[jc]
;B[jd]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: L16
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: instead should have f15??
bibimbap [ 1d?\]: c18 was joseki
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: but f15 cut seemed too good for w though.
fool [ 2k+\]: L16 is soooo tempting -but what a risk!
philip101 [ 6k \]: : )
bibimbap [ 1d?\]: f14 instead of c 18 or b13 would've been terrible
bibimbap [ 1d?\]: this is manageable but i would take w clearly
klawman [ 1d?\]: B ko threat @ C11
mgelo1 [12k?\]: L16, B 15 , M15 and then start ko?
mgelo1 [12k?\]: L15 -> M15
Pitta [ 1d?\]: ..]
;W[kb]
;B[lc]
;W[hg]
;B[ke]
;W[ie]
;B[id]
;W[kf]
;B[je]
;W[lb]
;B[mc]
;W[mb]
;B[go]
;W[fo]
;B[gn]
;W[gp]
;B[hm]
;W[er]
;B[eq]
;W[fr]C[zediir [22k?\]: 5 more minutes and I'll have food!
NPcomplete [22k?\]: Does someone eat popcorn while watching this? *g*
MagicMagor [ 6k?\]: flakes, not popcorn but similar =)
NPcomplete [22k?\]: heh, i knew it... :-)
zediir [22k?\]: don't have a microwave. can't make popcorn =(.
zediir [22k?\]: damn roommate
zediir [22k?\]: had to take it with him when he moved away
LeT [ 1d \]: has b to defend the corner?]
;B[br]
;W[bf]
;B[be]
;W[nc]
;B[nd]
;W[oc]
;B[od]
;W[pc]
;B[kq]C[klawman [ 1d?\]: n3
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: if n3, then won't b just h3?
klawman [ 1d?\]: Then Roan thinks W wil answer ~J3 ?]
;W[jq]
;B[kp]C[RoanInish [ 3k?\]: no, h4
klawman [ 1d?\]: Roan was rt]
;W[kr]
;B[lr]
;W[jr]C[RoanInish [ 3k?\]: now n3 looks ok =p
smoker [ 1d \]: it looks easy for b from now on
klawman [ 1d?\]: B O3, W ~R6, B K6 ?
Splinter [11k+\]: 8 komi?
klawman [ 1d?\]: or first B excange R17
zephi [ 6k \]: couldn't b start from r6 rather than o3?
klawman [ 1d?\]: 8 komi nice]
;B[nq]C[RoanInish [ 3k?\]: klawman takes the win]
;W[qn]C[zediir [22k?\]: nice
LeT [ 1d \]: congratulation!
klawman [ 1d?\]: :-)
LeT [ 1d \]: now K6]
;B[pr]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: R9 here better then R3?
chayashida [ 5k+\]: no, R3 is better. if W R3, B won't take R8 right away anyway.
LeT [ 1d \]: I would extend
chayashida [ 5k+\]: better to just stabilize the stones and keep pressue on the black group
zephi [ 6k \]: can't really pressure that group much]
;W[qd]C[zephi [ 6k \]: even if w split]
;B[qe]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: looks like w will wait to decided]
;W[rd]C[klawman [ 1d?\]: used miai
zephi [ 6k \]: that was definitely bigger than r3
klawman [ 1d?\]: so Q2 bad for B? should have exchanged @ R17 ?
philip101 [ 6k \]: i think Q2 would have been huge if white played it
zephi [ 6k \]: but it wasn't urgent
zephi [ 6k \]: so I guess it qualifies as slow
philip101 [ 6k \]: i'm sure the 9p has her reasons
chayashida [ 5k+\]: why isn't it urgent? settles bottom B group.
zephi [ 6k \]: probably the reasone being that b thinks she's ahead
minos [ BC \]: b R8?
zephi [ 6k \]: the bottom group had miai...either settle on bottom or go to center
zephi [ 6k \]: was not really a killable group
LeT [ 1d \]: and R8 then M13?
klawman [ 1d?\]: minos has leading guess
velobici [11k?\]: anyone count?  looks to me like black is short
chayashida [ 5k+\]: running and living aren't really miai...
zephi [ 6k \]: kinda hard to make a big moyo with open skirts]
;B[qq]
;W[qk]
;B[ro]C[minos [ BC \]: wrong :(
zephi [ 6k \]: how would w kill l4 when it is so close to h7, hmm?]
;W[qo]
;B[rn]
;W[rm]
;B[qp]
;W[sn]
;B[rp]C[velobici [11k?\]: white about 45 + right side group
chayashida [ 5k+\]: it's not a matter of kill/live. it's a matter of points. miai should be roughly equal.]
;W[pm]C[zephi [ 6k \]: well, that was sente and balanced...you take my corner, I take yours
chayashida [ 5k+\]: W would take the free points in the corner and put B's stones in motion.]
;B[qj]C[zephi [ 6k \]: miai doesn't refer to point value O.o
velobici [11k?\]: black 48 points + top center top right]
;W[rj]C[NorranRad [ 1d \]: hmmmmm]
;B[ri]C[zephi [ 6k \]: they both have about the same number of solid points but b has more potential in the center...
klawman [ 1d?\]: R11]
;W[pj]
;B[qi]
;W[rk]
;B[pi]
;W[oj]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: it seems like white is ahead
klawman [ 1d?\]: yes
klawman [ 1d?\]: B S15 ?]
;B[oi]
;W[nj]
;B[re]C[chad [ 2d \]: hard to see how b can play catch up
chad [ 2d \]: even without komi]
;W[lf]
;B[oo]
;W[po]
;B[on]
;W[nm]C[zephi [ 6k \]: well, there goes the center
velobici [11k?\]: black is gaining...right side top b15 vs w 9 thats +6 ??
chad [ 2d \]: much closer than that I'd guess
chad [ 2d \]: Q14]
;B[sd]
;W[jk]C[LeT [ 1d \]: too far?]
;B[kh]
;W[kg]
;B[kj]C[klawman [ 1d?\]: M15]
;W[jm]
;B[mk]C[klawman [ 1d?\]: O8]
;W[om]
;B[kl]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]
;W[km]
;B[lm]
;W[jo]
;B[mg]
;W[mf]
;B[nf]
;W[ng]
;B[md]
;W[of]
;B[ne]
;W[nh]
;B[og]C[velobici [11k?\]: nice job reducing that area
philip101 [ 6k \]: hmm now it seems like black is ahead]
;W[il]
;B[ni]
;W[mh]
;B[lh]C[pipalboy [ 1k \]: g9?]
;W[lg]
;B[rc]
;W[qc]
;B[rb]
;W[da]
;B[ca]
;W[gl]
;B[ci]
;W[cj]
;B[mj]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: g8 was pretty nifty ^^]
;W[op]C[minos [ BC \]: b can't cut ...
chayashida [ 5k+\]: can't B save the D8 stones, tho?
chayashida [ 5k+\]: 12+ pt gote seems like a lot]
;B[nk]C[velobici [11k?\]: f8 or f9 would do that, no]
;W[np]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: i dont think w can kill the d8 stones with one move]
;B[mn]C[Thinking [ 3k \]: f8 for w seems powerful??
chayashida [ 5k+\]: W f8 captures them, i think
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: w f9 seems to do a pretty mnice job]
;W[ol]
;B[mp]C[LeT [ 1d \]: no, otherwise he would have done it :-)]
;W[mq]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: w F9 b G9
klawman [ 1d?\]: W must H8 before attempt there
klawman [ 1d?\]: take 3
velobici [11k?\]: black ~45- points now ?
velobici [11k?\]: ohoh..top right ~50-]
;B[mo]
;W[or]
;B[nr]
;W[oq]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: i don't H8 being necessary. W gets the D8 stones in damezumari. not the biggest move, but i works.
LeT [ 1d \]: oops]
;B[mr]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: it doesnt work]
;W[sj]
;B[gm]
;W[gk]
;B[fk]C[velobici [11k?\]: thats ends that possibility
chayashida [ 5k+\]: yep
klawman [ 1d?\]: P12
philip101 [ 6k \]: black only played to save the three stones, the d8 stones were never in danger]
;W[oh]C[velobici [11k?\]: p12 and r18 are getting bigger]
;B[pg]
;W[mi]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: what was the answer to W F8?]
;B[li]
;W[fl]
;B[el]
;W[os]C[zediir [22k?\]: there]
;B[rr]C[klawman [ 1d?\]: Q12]
;W[ko]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: black center  eye problem now?]
;B[jj]
;W[jl]C[velobici [11k?\]: no
velobici [11k?\]: :)]
;B[ll]C[MagicMagor [ 6k?\]: not anymore.. w k11 looked dangerous]
;W[qb]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: heh]
;B[ra]C[kibarosman [ 9k+\]: is this a live game?
velobici [11k?\]: silly score estimate counts c16 stones as dead]
;W[qa]C[velobici [11k?\]: yes live game]
;B[ph]
;W[mg]C[Peekaboow [20k \]: F19 watch out]
;B[ok]C[kibarosman [ 9k+\]: and who won the meijin match yesterday?]
;W[pk]C[zephi [ 6k \]: that's why ppl don't rely on the guestimator]
;B[db]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: takao shinji won by 1/2 point
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: takao shenji]
;W[si]C[kibarosman [ 9k+\]: wow, so it's 3-1 now?
kibarosman [ 9k+\]: by how many points?
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: >.< shinji*
zephi [ 6k \]: prolly .5]
;B[rh]
;W[ea]
;B[so]
;W[sm]
;B[ks]
;W[hr]
;B[ho]C[RoanInish [ 3k?\]: w seems ahead by a few since komi +8]
;W[fq]C[velobici [11k?\]: w 40points; b is short
kibarosman [ 9k+\]: why such a high komi?]
;B[hp]
;W[hq]
;B[dq]
;W[lo]C[mgelo1 [12k?\]: very close now
philip101 [ 6k \]: seems about even on the board
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: i counted b +44pts including capturres.. but i suck at couting
smandoli [20k \]: newbie question, is this being played on real board with the moves echoed, or is the match itself on-screen?]
;B[lp]C[velobici [11k?\]: mingjiu must be very happy after his recent games
LeT [ 1d \]: b +2 without komi]
;W[sh]
;B[sg]
;W[ps]C[zephi [ 6k \]: dunno, s. check they're website?]
;B[qs]C[zephi [ 6k \]: *their
mgelo1 [12k?\]: according to website, it's on IGS
NPcomplete [22k?\]: sometimes they play very fast ... i guess it's onscreen
velobici [11k?\]: on the web i expect.  mingjiu in california and FengYun in new jersey
smandoli [20k \]: Thanks.  I stand in awe.]
;W[ao]
;B[ap]
;W[an]C[nighthawk [ 2d?\]: is this the NAMT games
velobici [11k?\]: yes it is :)
velobici [11k?\]: dude
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: oh
mgelo1 [12k?\]: http://www.eskimo.com/~wheelers/go/namt.html
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: hey pops]
;B[in]C[velobici [11k?\]: hey hey
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: it's actually mingjiu ad fengyun clicking teh mouse
pipalboy [ 1k \]: W win
velobici [11k?\]: philip is here (philip101)
chiiko [ 8k+\]: lol
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: PHILLIP!!!!!!!!!
philip101 [ 6k \]: hello : )
GNight [15k \]: White leads by 9?
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: i played a game earlier and knocked the heck out of a 1K+ at three stones
velobici [11k?\]: nighthawk scroll back and see the taisha opening\\
philip101 [ 6k \]: nice
chiiko [ 8k+\]: wow, clicking the mouse and playing go at the same time?]
;W[js]C[velobici [11k?\]: very nice
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: i will after i c who wins
Peekaboow [20k \]: F9]
;B[bi]C[Peekaboow [20k \]: very dangerous
velobici [11k?\]: was waiting for this]
;W[bh]C[NPcomplete [22k?\]: interesting]
;B[ag]C[Peekaboow [20k \]: sorry
Peekaboow [20k \]: dont saw 2 lib]
;W[ai]C[mgelo1 [12k?\]: count after this one's over]
;B[af]
;W[bj]
;B[jn]
;W[kn]
;B[es]C[bibimbap [ 1d?\]: not terribly exciting game]
;W[ls]
;B[ms]
;W[fs]
;B[ds]C[Peekaboow [20k \]: beautifull]
;W[pq]
;B[qr]C[Peekaboow [20k \]: draxing
mgelo1 [12k?\]: not as exciting as meijin :)]
;W[le]C[minos [ BC \]: w+ 4?]
;B[ld]C[klawman [ 1d?\]: Game FTF in Seattle ?]
;W[jh]C[mgelo1 [12k?\]: at 10 min byo, this is a light game for them :)]
;B[ji]
;W[co]
;B[bp]C[Thinking [ 3k \]: whats going on in Seattle???  im in seattle
velobici [11k?\]: nothing]
;W[jp]C[NPcomplete [22k?\]: is b2 essential for survival?]
;B[pn]C[Peekaboow [20k \]: master piece to be registred and analized
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: b wins
klawman [ 1d?\]: http://www.airsltd.com/namt/]
;W[ks]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: klaw, it's igs-only
klawman [ 1d?\]: c. 'Tis NAMT]
;B[me]
;W[fa]
;B[ae]C[ChimZ [ 1d \]: komi of 8 Hoooo]
;W[hl]C[mgelo1 [12k?\]: supose W tenuki...]
;B[mm]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: yes, sort of. otherwise it can be seki, or other problems in the corner]
;W[nl]
;B[lq]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: b needs one more move in upper left]
;W[ah]
;B[no]
;W[bg]
;B[ns]
;W[qm]
;B[ab]C[shinsei [ 5k \]: excuse me. In the game description it says this was a tournament game. What tournament?
zediir [22k?\]: North American Masters Tournament
velobici [11k?\]: white 34+7+8; black 41 + 5;  black is short
chayashida [ 5k+\]: north america masters tournament.
shinsei [ 5k \]: thx :)]
;W[hj]
;B[ij]
;W[gj]
;B[ik]C[gatchaman [ 7k+\]: B ahead by 0.5?]
;W[io]
;B[im]
;W[fn]
;B[fm]
;W[ml]
;B[ln]
;W[cf]C[klawman [ 1d?\]: ugly INg rules ?]
;B[hk]C[RoanInish [ 3k?\]: xDDD  i was giving the komi to black when i counted /...]
;W[nn]C[NPcomplete [22k?\]: over?
chiiko [ 8k+\]: ah come on RoanInish, she's a woman but not THAT bad!
ChimZ [ 1d \]: with komi of 8 i would never play black haha
mgelo1 [12k?\]: W+0.5
rayen [ 2k?\]: 8 komi is insane
ChimZ [ 1d \]: w+1
klawman [ 1d?\]: With komi = 8, I would play B half the time.
shinsei [ 5k \]: how can you win with with 0.5 when the komi is 8 -_- ?
philip101 [ 6k \]: i suppose black is counting ?
LeT [ 1d \]: :-)
ChimZ [ 1d \]: ^ ^
mgelo1 [12k?\]: it's essentially 7.5 since B+ when draw
klawman [ 1d?\]: mgelo rt about that ?]
;B[tt]C[chayashida [5k+ \]: B wins ties under these rules, right?
LeT [ 1d \]: IGS canŽ´t 7.5?]
;W[tt]
;B[tt]TB[aa][ac][ad][aq][ar][as][ba][bb][bc][bd][bq][bs][cq][cr][cs][ek][hn][ie][kd][ki][lj][mq][oe][of][pe][pf][qf][qg][qh][rf][rg][rq][rs][sa][sb][sc][se][sf][sp][sq][sr][ss]TW[aj][ak][al][am][bi][bk][bl][bm][ci][fb][ga][gq][gr][gs][hs][ia][iq][ir][is][ja][ka][la][ma][na][nb][oa][ob][pa][pb][pl][ql][rl][sk][sl]C[velobici [11k?\]: Ing rules its seems
Peekaboow [20k \]: bravo___ marvelous
Peekaboow [20k \]: never seen such a game
chayashida [ 5k+\]: gets weird tho, because clients don't score the same way ing does...
smandoli [20k \]: come on Peek, you just played me!
rayen [ 2k?\]: w wins by 1
zephi [ 6k \]: igs can 7.5 if you set komi manually
NPcomplete [22k?\]: b2 ... :(
W 49.0 B 48.0
white time: 81:08
black time: 80:05])
