(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:1.4]ST[1]

SZ[19]KM[8]
PW[Thomas Hsiang]WR[7d]PB[Feng Yun]BR[9p]RE[B+13]TM[600]DT[2006-10-23]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2006]

;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[cq]
;B[qk]
;W[nc]
;B[pf]
;W[pb]
;B[fp]
;W[dn]
;B[jp]
;W[po]
;B[np]C[tung6363 [ 1d \]: Hello.]
;W[no]
;B[mo]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[pr]
;B[oq]
;W[rr]
;B[qp]
;W[rq]
;B[pp]
;W[or]
;B[nr]
;W[mq]
;B[nq]
;W[rp]
;B[qo]
;W[ld]
;B[cf]
;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[ce]
;B[ef]
;W[de]
;B[bf]
;W[eg]
;B[dh]
;W[eh]
;B[di]
;W[ff]
;B[cl]
;W[je]C[janetwei [ 8k \]: Is this a real tournament?
fractic [11k \]: yes this is the NAMT
dracman [ 7k \]: yes this is not unreal tournament :)
janetwei [ 8k \]: what is NAMT?
fractic [11k \]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?NAMT
janetwei [ 8k \]: thx
malf [ 4k \]: hmm... 4 kosumi is a row is called "geese flying", does this have a name?]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[be]
;W[qc]C[MonkeyKing [22k?\]: whats kosumi?
Cheyenne [22k?\]: L move... similar to chess
fractic [11k \]: a kosumi is a diagonal move
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: F11 hmm
malf [ 4k \]: n16 in relation to o17
fractic [11k \]: just like the last white move
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: *hmm
Cheyenne [22k?\]: yep like horse on chess]
;B[cb]
;W[ph]C[ChanServ [ 4d?\]: i hate how when you clicik a square...
malf [ 4k \]: w has 4 knight moves, not 4 kosumi
chayashida [ 5k+\]: 4 keima
Standfast [15k?\]: is this part of the NAMT?
chayashida [ 5k+\]: yes, only game in the NAMT today
fractic [11k \]: yes all league games are played on IGS
pansan24 [22k?\]: is it an hour a piece?
malf [ 4k \]: dr tom makes a strong attack
xedover: for more info: http://www.seattlegocenter.org/namt/]
;B[oi]C[Standfast [15k?\]: thank
Standfast [15k?\]: s]
;W[oh]
;B[nh]
;W[ng]C[ChanServ [ 4d?\]: this game is wierd
fractic [11k \]: intresting though
malf [ 4k \]: (shrugs) that's how it is with strong players, no one wants to play "book" moves
pansan24 [22k?\]: keeps you guessing
Mouse [ 4d \]: malf doesn't find them in his dictionary :)
malf [ 4k \]: :)
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: well when i watch lee chang ho, lee sedol.. etc play
Cheyenne [22k?\]: 96 ppl looking
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: they usually play book moves]
;B[og]
;W[rh]C[ChanServ [ 4d?\]: ok... black's either winning or losing
fractic [11k \]: i suppose it only shows that even strong players don't know everything on go
pansan24 [22k?\]: um.. is there a third choice?
fractic [11k \]: a voided game?]
;B[mh]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: third choice: too close to call, but this isn't one of those
pansan24 [22k?\]: hmm
pansan24 [22k?\]: ah
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: hmm i c... black's trying to make a big moyo inn the middle bottom side?
Myrcuri [14k?\]: black looks at a disadvantage to me
Jayo [ 2k?\]: How much time they have?
Cheyenne [22k?\]: 1hr for full ?
malf [ 4k \]: b is 9p, she was on the Chinese national team for 16 years
fractic [11k \]: 1hr and 25/10 afterwards
Jayo [ 2k?\]: Thks
Myrcuri [14k?\]: that might be, but still looks at a disadvantage
malf [ 4k \]: 2nd woman after naiwei to make 9p
pansan24 [22k?\]: i thought that only a few people in history made it to 9p
Myrcuri [14k?\]: black has more openings in his moyo than white, at h4 and q10, w only has d18, and thats small for mid game]
;W[rf]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: in feudal japan, there was only one 9p at a time, but now, there are a lot more :)
pansan24 [22k?\]: ah
malf [ 4k \]: you are thinking Edo period :)
malf [ 4k \]: today, there must be 100 9p
pansan24 [22k?\]: geez
fractic [11k \]: they have made it more difficult in japan now though]
;B[mf]C[pansan24 [22k?\]: the 9p rank?
pansan24 [22k?\]: or go in general?
fractic [11k \]: the 9p rank
pansan24 [22k?\]: ah
pansan24 [22k?\]: that s good
fractic [11k \]: you either have to win one of the big titles or a smaller one twice
pansan24 [22k?\]: ah
fractic [11k \]: or become 8p and will a few hundred games
fractic [11k \]: win*
pansan24 [22k?\]: what did fengyun win?
fractic [11k \]: is she japanese?
pansan24 [22k?\]: sounds chinese
janetwei [ 8k \]: n14 is a great move
fractic [11k \]: not sure how the chinese promotion system works
pansan24 [22k?\]: ...]
;W[of]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: similar to the japanese system]
;B[pg]
;W[pi]C[pansan24 [22k?\]: ignored...
pansan24 [22k?\]: thats 22k for ya
fractic [11k \]: i don't know what she won
fractic [11k \]: you could try SL
pansan24 [22k?\]: ?
fractic [11k \]: http://senseis.xmp.net
fractic [11k \]: you should check it out
pansan24 [22k?\]: i think i wll
xgc [ 2d+\]: w mistakle in order of moves ?
chayashida [ 5k+\]: what did you think was the correct order?
xgc [ 2d+\]: q11 first before p14 ?
pansan24 [22k?\]: well, im outta here
pansan24 [22k?\]: see yall
fractic [11k \]: good bye
Myrcuri [14k?\]: how would the order have changed it, unless black responds differently because of q13?
fractic [11k \]: black now has a choice of ignoring Q11
Myrcuri [14k?\]: would have had that choice regardless
fractic [11k \]: true but now white has allready played out the upper part a bit further
Myrcuri [14k?\]: lets just see what w has in mind before we debate it]
;B[pj]
;W[oj]
;B[ni]
;W[qj]
;B[pk]
;W[nf]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: b O16 my bet
Myrcuri [14k?\]: nvm, doesn't work]
;B[rj]
;W[qh]
;B[me]
;W[od]
;B[md]
;W[mg]
;B[oe]
;W[ne]C[heik [ 8k \]: can anyone tell me why b n15  instead of o15?]
;B[nd]
;W[pe]
;B[lg]
;W[oe]
;B[oc]
;W[qe]C[fractic [11k \]: this squeeze]
;B[mc]
;W[lh]C[fractic [11k \]: but i don't know how black would have answered w M13
xgc [ 2d+\]: instead of ^
xgc [ 2d+\]: ?
fractic [11k \]: O15
heik [ 8k \]: if b did O15 instead of N15,]
;B[li]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: if b did o15, w would force with p15, then atari at n15 and n13, escaping
Myrcuri [14k?\]: and b would be in pretty dire straights at that point
xgc [ 2d+\]: o15 if w m13
Inayan [ 6k+\]: B thinks center moyo is bigger...playing consistently
Inayan [ 6k+\]: He should be right...he's 9p
fractic [11k \]: yes and then w N17 and i can't find a way out for black
Inayan [ 6k+\]: If b captures at o-18, almost alive]
;W[kh]C[Inayan [ 6k+\]: ...or connect at m-14, and almost out
Inayan [ 6k+\]: almost is close enough for 9p
Inayan [ 6k+\]: :o)]
;B[kb]
;W[nj]
;B[mi]C[hefalump2 [ 2d \]: is w still in this game?
Myrcuri [14k?\]: yes, i'd guess its getting close
Myrcuri [14k?\]: black will probably live inside, which means w needs to invade black's moyo, and he's in a good position to do it
fractic [11k \]: blacks moyo looks big
fractic [11k \]: yes he has no weak groups
Myrcuri [14k?\]: does too, look at f4
fractic [11k \]: ?
fractic [11k \]: i meant w has no weak groups
Myrcuri [14k?\]: ah, sorry
xgc [ 2d+\]: little hope for w now
fractic [11k \]: an invasion isn't going to be enough i think
Peekaboo [ 7k+\]: Is there hope for white?
xgc [ 2d+\]: not really]
;W[kj]
;B[ki]
;W[ji]
;B[jh]
;W[kg]
;B[jj]
;W[ii]
;B[lj]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]
;W[nb]
;B[mb]
;W[ob]
;B[ic]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: this is getting interesting]
;W[gb]C[Peekaboo [ 7k+\]: is it?
hefalump2 [ 2d \]: nice sequence in the middle for w - but w still seems far behind
Myrcuri [14k?\]: well, b has some weaknesses in the center he can exploit, but he needs to make eyes in the top first, and at the same time w needs to defend those weaknesses and find an invasion
fractic [11k \]: if white invades somewhere black will only consolidate the rest of his moyo
Myrcuri [14k?\]: don't underestimate how much white can reduce
hillgo [ 3d+\]: L11 is interesting choice. Could have been N10.]
;B[kd]
;W[kl]
;B[ll]C[hefalump2 [ 2d \]: you think n19 would have been better?
Mouse [ 4d \]: n10 makes white L11 sente and no cut
hefalump2 [ 2d \]: n10]
;W[km]
;B[lm]
;W[kn]C[hillgo [ 3d+\]: L11 makes w strong. I guess b worried R7 if N10
Myrcuri [14k?\]: heh, wonder how far they'll go with this
skeptical [ 2d+\]: hehe, 5 more lines
zephi [ 6k+\]: :P
skeptical [ 2d+\]: hi zephi
zephi [ 6k+\]: b in front
zephi [ 6k+\]: hi
janetwei [ 8k \]: can black play j10?
xgc [ 2d+\]: is this tournament game ?
fractic [11k \]: yes NAMT league
zephi [ 6k+\]: l4 looks rock solid...but maybe somethin LL is more attractive?
xgc [ 2d+\]: who is Nomad
xedover: Thomas Hsiang vs Feng Yun
zephi [ 6k+\]: nomad is a mysterious wandering stranger who goes form town to town carrying nothing but a beat up old goban
xgc [ 2d+\]: thx
Myrcuri [14k?\]: gonna have a hard time playing with no stones
zephi [ 6k+\]: he uses m&m's
Myrcuri [14k?\]: the genius...
mbardeen [11k+\]: does eat the captured candy?
mbardeen [11k+\]: er does he
zephi [ 6k+\]: that's the beauty part
fractic [11k \]: only when playing with chinese rules ;)
zephi [ 6k+\]: victory is sweet]
;B[co]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: that would reduce his points though, he eats the stones his opponent captures]
;W[ep]C[Inayan [ 6k+\]: Ow]
;B[cn]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: sweet...LL as I thought]
;W[fq]
;B[gq]
;W[eq]
;B[gp]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: rare to get the right direction
Yonex [17k \]: LL?
Peekaboo [ 7k+\]: Is it?
fractic [11k \]: lower left yonex
Yonex [17k \]: o ok thx
Inayan [ 6k+\]: You don't get 6k without going the right direction some times...:o)]
;W[ib]C[xgc [ 2d+\]: b has so much cash  that w will have to kill smthg
Inayan [ 6k+\]: I wouldn't want b's job at the top here...
mbardeen [11k+\]: can he kill N18?
Inayan [ 6k+\]: Sure...
Inayan [ 6k+\]: if b make a mistake
xgc [ 2d+\]: no
Inayan [ 6k+\]: 9p make mistakes?
Inayan [ 6k+\]: Not often
xgc [ 2d+\]: yes, they make 9p mistakes
Inayan [ 6k+\]: Haha...live anyway...
Tweedie [ BC \]: they don't say mistakes
Tweedie [ BC \]: they say 'poka'
xgc [ 2d+\]: pooka ^
xgc [ 2d+\]: shuko
oldwolf [ 3k?\]: poor fy 9p, she does not know igs disable shout command
Tweedie [ BC \]: ?]
;B[jb]
;W[hc]C[oldwolf [ 3k?\]: many pro dont come igs bcs of no shout command
Inayan [ 6k+\]: w get some cash here
Tweedie [ BC \]: ?
Tweedie [ BC \]: pro players here almost never use shout
oldwolf [ 3k?\]: but they like to watch shout
oldwolf [ 3k?\]: definitely
Tweedie [ BC \]: most don't even speak english
fastcat1 [ 6d \]: w seems played very well against 9p.
stefanus [15k \]: what is shout???
zephi [ 6k+\]: moot point
Iroh [ 9k?\]: there was never anything worth while to watch in the shouts when we had them
stefanus [15k \]: moot point`??]
;B[ia]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: mooo
madhatter [ 1d \]: b wants j10..
zephi [ 6k+\]: mookiedoo]
;W[hb]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: j10? o.O
Inayan [ 6k+\]: J-16 almost bigger for w
zephi [ 6k+\]: j10 would only prompt w to strengthen himself
madhatter [ 1d \]: i said: wants..
madhatter [ 1d \]: not : play..]
;B[ke]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: so b wants w to strengthen himself?]
;W[lf]C[Tweedie [ BC \]: b is a lady, not a man]
;B[le]C[madhatter [ 1d \]: ..-;)
zephi [ 6k+\]: b stones don't really have a sex
Tweedie [ BC \]: but you said 'himself'
zephi [ 6k+\]: if I meant feng yun, that's what I'd have said
madhatter [ 1d \]: ...-:)
takolako [ BC \]: toggle open off
zephi [ 6k+\]: I can see no people anywhere, so to me it's all just graphics]
;W[ro]
;B[rn]
;W[kp]C[zephi [ 6k+\]: that's why I wish.....this was accompanied by video ^^]
;B[kq]C[fractic [11k \]: technically you'd still be looking at graphics ;)]
;W[jq]C[madhatter [ 1d \]: now w has  prevented b j 10.. i suppose..-:)
malf [ 4k \]: b is very pretty lady, graphics would be nice :)
Cheyenne [22k?\]: omg is any1 playing? 204 observers....]
;B[iq]C[zhenyu [ 3d \]: u saw her before, malf?
malf [ 4k \]: both players very well known, and very popular
stefanus [15k \]: what?? feng yun is a woman???
mbardeen [11k+\]: 200 observers is nothing. 1000+ for title matches.
Cheyenne [22k?\]: w00t
malf [ 4k \]: yes, met her twice, was in dinner party once
madhatter [ 1d \]: what? 1689  i recently asked to play!
stefanus [15k \]: 3th meijin title, more than 3000 observer
madhatter [ 1d \]: oepshhhh....
Cheyenne [22k?\]: r they online? like this?]
;W[jc]C[zhenyu [ 3d \]: white is also a pro player, or amateur 7d?]
;B[jf]C[fractic [11k \]: not played online but the moves get entered
Cloud [ BC \]: i beliv enomad amature XD
malf [ 4k \]: w is strong amateur
Cheyenne [22k?\]: hummm good to know...]
;W[ie]C[Cloud [ BC \]: Heya Malf !]
;B[kf]C[malf [ 4k \]: yo
Cloud [ BC \]: aced my test :)]
;W[ih]
;B[lg]
;W[jg]C[Cloud [ BC \]: b leads?]
;B[if]C[malf [ 4k \]: yeah,  b has too much cash
fastcat1 [ 6d \]: kill this bastard!, w gogogoo]
;W[jr]
;B[jo]C[Tweedie [ BC \]: is fastcat1 calling fengyun 9p a bastard?
stefanus [15k \]: its just me or, what, i saw black group is gettin save and white group gettin smaller
Yonex [17k \]: gona be pretty hard to get back]
;W[ko]
;B[kr]C[Cloud [ BC \]: haha tweet :)
Yonex [17k \]: lol
Tweedie [ BC \]: this is a serious question
Tweedie [ BC \]: not something to be laughed at
Cloud [ BC \]: hai hai.]
;W[lf]C[madhatter [ 1d \]: maybe w j 2 as endgame?
fractic [11k \]: as endgame?
madhatter [ 1d \]: yes..
fractic [11k \]: how would that work?
madhatter [ 1d \]: it would capture something som3ehow
fractic [11k \]: how so?
fractic [11k \]: H2 caputers white right?
fractic [11k \]: captures*
markus [ 4k \]: no: if b h2, h has j4.
fractic [11k \]: can't black just kill with J1/K1 after j4?
zhenyu [ 3d \]: stats fastcat
bldrplr [ 1d+\]: How does b live if w M17?
madhatter [ 1d \]: fractic is right i'm afraid..-)
fractic [11k \]: :)]
;B[lp]C[madhatter [ 1d \]: but.. well all not relevant anylonger..
markus [ 4k \]: true. fractic was right (oops)
hillgo [ 3d+\]: m17 to kill?
fractic [11k \]: can't find a way to live
markus [ 4k \]: I have been wondering about w m17 for a while, too.
fractic [11k \]: ow i see
fractic [11k \]: M17 is answered with M18
hillgo [ 3d+\]: m4 may be too much. b had enough cash]
;W[id]C[hillgo [ 3d+\]: oh man]
;B[ja]C[hillgo [ 3d+\]: m17, w m18, b k19
fractic [11k \]: i thought j16 after that but i missed a liberty]
;W[in]C[madhatter [ 1d \]: b b3?]
;B[dm]C[bldrplr [ 1d+\]: no, m17 answered by j16]
;W[ei]C[fractic [11k \]: before m18?
bldrplr [ 1d+\]: yes
hillgo [ 3d+\]: m17, j16, then k19 still
fractic [11k \]: what after wk16?
rhizoxin [ 1k+\]: white M17 no kill
bldrplr [ 1d+\]: w k16 forced, then bl17]
;B[gf]C[fractic [11k \]: i see now thanks :)]
;W[gg]
;B[hg]
;W[ge]C[bldrplr [ 1d+\]: very sneaky]
;B[hf]
;W[ek]
;B[dj]
;W[ej]
;B[he]
;W[gd]
;B[hm]C[Cheyenne [22k?\]: w h-11?]
;W[em]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: heh, w is attacking g4 group]
;B[hn]C[fractic [11k \]: K2 stones are dead]
;W[dl]
;B[cm]C[madhatter [ 1d \]: no.. b is attacking..-:)
Myrcuri [14k?\]: theres aji still]
;W[bp]
;B[gh]
;W[gi]
;B[fg]
;W[ee]
;B[db]C[madhatter [ 1d \]: seems w has to resign..]
;W[jn]
;B[ho]
;W[hl]
;B[gl]
;W[gk]
;B[il]
;W[hk]
;B[im]
;W[ik]
;B[ec]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: why is all this bigger than the monkey jump at A7?
Yonex [17k \]: suberi?]
;W[am]
;B[an]
;W[bn]
;B[bo]
;W[ao]
;B[bm]C[fractic [11k \]: strange defense
madhatter [ 1d \]: they obey you chayashidfa..]
;W[al]
;B[an]C[brindis [ 7k \]: looking for ko?
chayashida [ 5k+\]: B played E1 instead of protecting at B5, and i don't get why]
;W[mn]C[Yonex [17k \]: hes pretty desperate]
;B[ln]C[fractic [11k \]: why look for ko when you're winning?
Myrcuri [14k?\]: its worth it if he wins]
;W[bn]C[Yonex [17k \]: whites winning?
fractic [11k \]: ko only seems to help w]
;B[os]C[brindis [ 7k \]: w is losing
Yonex [17k \]: yea i thought whites losing]
;W[qs]
;B[an]
;W[qn]C[fractic [11k \]: don't see why black gives white the option for a ko]
;B[rm]
;W[bn]C[brindis [ 7k \]: ah
xux [ 5d \]: is this a tournerment game?
fractic [11k \]: yes NAMT league game
Myrcuri [14k?\]: yes
chayashida [ 5k+\]: K8?
xux [ 5d \]: ic. thx
chayashida [ 5k+\]: or is that not big enough?
fractic [11k \]: looks pretty big
Myrcuri [14k?\]: thats big enough
Yonex [17k \]: white has more ko threats
fractic [11k \]: b can still back out with A9 though
janetwei [ 8k \]: black was not cool here. she was at least 10 pts ahead, why ko?
haihe [ 2d \]: why b started this ko?
yawho [ BC \]: does ama 7d pay tutor fee to pro ?
madhatter [ 1d \]: for the fun of it..!
fractic [11k \]: lol]
;B[bj]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: well it would be a shame to let those ko threats go to waste
fractic [11k \]: that was costly
chayashida [ 5k+\]: E17 < B5, i think.]
;W[an]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: almost looks like B is trying to make the M13 ko important. :)]
;B[dk]
;W[el]
;B[ak]C[fractic [11k \]: E17 looks around 2 points miai to me
Yonex [17k \]: m5?
Yonex [17k \]: w m5?
Myrcuri [14k?\]: why not b9?
Yonex [17k \]: not much of a komi gain]
;W[lo]
;B[mp]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: at least 3-4 points
Yonex [17k \]: who called it
brindis [ 7k \]: w is still about 10 behind
Yonex [17k \]: i called it
fractic [11k \]: yeah but does it work?]
;W[fc]
;B[bl]
;W[gm]C[yawho [ BC \]: 7.5 komi]
;B[eb]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: ...
Yonex [17k \]: uh
Myrcuri [14k?\]: what the heck
fractic [11k \]: O_o
madhatter [ 1d \]: ???
Yonex [17k \]: what is going on
Myrcuri [14k?\]: i think he missed it :P
brindis [ 7k \]: yes I counted that
fractic [11k \]: A4 is even bigger then the monkey jump that got that mess O_O
janetwei [ 8k \]: black give white a chance, she win anyway.
mbardeen [11k+\]: good thing that happens to 7dans as well as 11kyus
Yonex [17k \]: haha
brindis [ 7k \]: :-)
madhatter [ 1d \]: think our 'mediator'has made a mistake..
Myrcuri [14k?\]: screw that, you miss it i'll punish you to heck
Yonex [17k \]: that could be true
chayashida [ 5k+\]: there isn't a mediator, these are between the two on igs
madhatter [ 1d \]: ahh... sorry
janetwei [ 8k \]: white might resign here
chayashida [ 5k+\]: i suspect that it's not worth taking  gote to take the stones.
fractic [11k \]: it's over 4 points miai value
Myrcuri [14k?\]: thats 9 points at least
fractic [11k \]: it's huge so late in the end game
Myrcuri [14k?\]: 5 + 4 territory
madhatter [ 1d \]: at this moment it's not gote is uppsoe..
madhatter [ 1d \]: suppose..
stefanus [15k \]: why white not resign?
Myrcuri [14k?\]: if its worth a ko its worth saving/taking
fractic [11k \]: yes but E18 is only around 2 points miai value as well
oldwolf [ 3k?\]: resign?
stefanus [15k \]: he/she (white )lose right?
stefanus [15k \]: i dun think white can make comeback
brindis [ 7k \]: right
Myrcuri [14k?\]: looks to me w is only bout 4 points behind
Myrcuri [14k?\]: if he connects that is
madhatter [ 1d \]: b is a liitle sadistic..-:)
stefanus [15k \]: finish? already?
stefanus [15k \]: cmon
oldwolf [ 3k?\]: resign?
stefanus [15k \]: just accept it
yawho [ BC \]: w is counting
stefanus [15k \]: brrrr
Cheyenne [22k?\]: humm why cant a connect on k-9?
fractic [11k \]: K9 is small
fractic [11k \]: in fact it only removes a ko threat
chayashida [ 5k+\]: the K10 stone is already captured. W won't play there until the L8 group runs low on liberties.
brindis [ 7k \]: is there anything in P6?
Cheyenne [22k?\]: ty chaya
fractic [11k \]: B can answer around O8
stefanus [15k \]: or o9?
madhatter [ 1d \]: think has called for medical assistance...
malf [ 4k \]: my bet is w has conceded, and they are discussing it
stefanus [15k \]: time up
madhatter [ 1d \]: think w has..
stefanus [15k \]: TIME UP
stefanus [15k \]: waks
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: lag out?
stefanus [15k \]: lol
Iroh [ 9k?\]: byo yomi
fractic [11k \]: during a tournament?
Myrcuri [14k?\]: b wins by lag
fractic [11k \]: that'd be bad advertising
stefanus [15k \]: damn white, or they already finish?
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: i dunno... A4 seems pretty big... i wonder ...
Berserk [ 2d \]: maybe this is a psychological test for us...
fractic [11k \]: A4 is obviously the biggest point but it's not enough is it
heik [ 8k \]: i don't know why they don't play a4
stefanus [15k \]: black wanna say, i spare ur life, but u still dead
Myrcuri [14k?\]: w actually figured out an ingeniuss way to kill b at the top
heik [ 8k \]: only if the 9p use it to ask nomad to resign
yawho [ BC \]: w wanterd undo ?
fractic [11k \]: undo during a tournament?
stefanus [15k \]: LOL
stefanus [15k \]: spare my life
Cheyenne [22k?\]: can undo be done? on tournament?
stefanus [15k \]: like that?
stefanus [15k \]: undo = lose
Cheyenne [22k?\]: thought that
yawho [ BC \]: the rule allow only once :-)
Myrcuri [14k?\]: heh, Meijin: oh i'm sorry, can i take that back, i missed something.  Honinbo: Sure! i would have hated to pick up all those stones anyway
Cheyenne [22k?\]: lol
stefanus [15k \]: WAKAKA
runtt21 [20k+\]: lol
stefanus [15k \]: good joke
Cheyenne [22k?\]: FY = Honinbo title?
RoanInish [ 3k?\]: what tourney is it
fractic [11k \]: NAMT
fractic [11k \]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?NAMT
malf [ 4k \]: b leads more than 10 even with 8 komi
stefanus [15k \]: i think, its already over, the mediator forget to click the resign sign
jbrashid [22k?\]: whats nomads name
fractic [11k \]: there is no mediator
fractic [11k \]: they games are actually played over IGS
stefanus [15k \]: OOOOOO
malf [ 4k \]: nomad is Dr Thomas Hsiang
stefanus [15k \]: they really play on igs
stefanus [15k \]: woot
stefanus [15k \]: from china?
chayashida [ 5k+\]: i'm guessing that it's over.
stefanus [15k \]: both?
fractic [11k \]: the final might be over the board though]
;W[ap]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: no, this is only on IGS.
stefanus [15k \]: FINALLY
fractic [11k \]: about time]
;B[fr]
;W[er]
;B[gr]C[Cheyenne [22k?\]: a-4 saving temporary..
Myrcuri [14k?\]: thats it i think, w needed g2
yawho [ BC \]: w was checking GoBase
stefanus [15k \]: lol
madhatter [ 1d \]: about 10 pts for b...]
;W[ri]
;B[rk]C[stefanus [15k \]: i rhink he was disconnect]
;W[fn]
;B[es]
;W[ds]
;B[fs]
;W[cr]C[fractic [11k \]: can't really imagine that during a tournament though
Cheyenne [22k?\]: lol connection lost... and loose your title...]
;B[cp]C[stefanus [15k \]: and wanna blame, i just run out of time, just becoz im DC
stefanus [15k \]: lol]
;W[bq]
;B[eo]
;W[en]
;B[gn]
;W[fl]
;B[io]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: heh, almost missed that]
;W[jk]
;B[lg]
;W[ig]C[fractic [11k \]: hmm that was actually double sente]
;B[hh]C[fractic [11k \]: played pretty late]
;W[fh]
;B[hi]
;W[hj]
;B[ed]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: white would lose sente if he played j5]
;W[kc]
;B[lc]
;W[fd]C[fractic [11k \]: ow yeah ofc he'd lose his liberty anyway
fractic [11k \]: shoudln't have played m5 earlier ;)]
;B[fo]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: well, that was 3 points i think
Myrcuri [14k?\]: h16 looks pretty big
fractic [11k \]: it only forced black it didn't actually make any points]
;W[cd]
;B[bd]C[fractic [11k \]: H16 = 1 point gote]
;W[sn]
;B[sm]
;W[so]C[stefanus [15k \]: like i said before, black wanna say, i spare u, but u still dead
fractic [11k \]: with a small follow up though
yawho [ BC \]: Kyus have more opinions than Dans in IGS
StoneTiger [ 2k?\]: everywhere
fractic [11k \]: well we're just guessing afterall ;)
jbrashid [22k?\]: cause dans already have it figured out
Myrcuri [14k?\]: cause we don't have any reputation to lose :P
jbrashid [22k?\]: and just chill
Cheyenne [22k?\]: g-13 and lock not profitable?]
;B[si]C[fractic [11k \]: H16 is begger then i thought actually]
;W[sh]C[stefanus [15k \]: lol, we r Kyus, make the world fun for u]
;B[sj]
;W[fb]
;B[na]
;W[oa]
;B[ma]
;W[ea]
;B[da]
;W[fa]
;B[dp]
;W[dq]
;B[ns]
;W[ps]
;B[ha]C[Myrcuri [14k?\]: b wins
jbrashid [22k?\]: yeah
jbrashid [22k?\]: by like
fractic [11k \]: yeah but i'm sure white is stuborn enough to find the last ko anyway ;)
Myrcuri [14k?\]: 13 i believe
jbrashid [22k?\]: like 15
fractic [11k \]: fight*
chayashida [ 5k+\]: there's two ko, so it doesn't matter.]
;W[qi]C[fractic [11k \]: 3 actually]
;B[lf]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: oops, my bad
chayashida [ 5k+\]: :D]
;W[gg]C[stefanus [15k \]: theres sometimes u fight till the end, but heres sometime u must know ur limit]
;B[do]
;W[fg]
;B[jd]
;W[ic]
;B[jm]C[fractic [11k \]: at least b seems to know he's leading ;)]
;W[jl]
;B[hd]
;W[ga]C[StoneTiger [ 2k?\]: yes she does
Myrcuri [14k?\]: why play dame?
jbrashid [22k?\]: b is a girl
jbrashid [22k?\]: ;o
chayashida [ 5k+\]: rules
fractic [11k \]: yeah i know :/]
;B[tt]C[jbrashid [22k?\]: or woman
inte [ BC \]: ing rules
malf [ 4k \]: Ing rules]
;W[tt]C[stefanus [15k \]: any foto?
jbrashid [22k?\]: 15
fractic [11k \]: does IGS handle ing rules?]
;B[tt]TB[aa][ab][ac][ad][ae][af][ag][ah][ai][aj][ba][bb][bc][bg][bh][bi][bk][ca][cg][ch][ci][cj][ck][go][gs][hp][hq][hr][hs][ip][ir][is][jq][jr][js][ka][ks][la][lb][ld][lq][lr][ls][mj][mk][ml][mm][mn][mq][mr][ms][nj][nk][nl][nm][nn][no][oj][ok][ol][om][on][oo][op][pl][pm][pn][po][ql][qm][qn][rl][sk][sl]TW[aq][ar][as][br][bs][cs][dr][ef][fe][fi][fj][fk][fm][gc][gj][gl][ij][jh][jj][oc][og][pa][pc][pd][pf][pg][qa][qb][qd][qf][qg][qr][ra][rb][rc][rd][re][rg][rs][sa][sb][sc][sd][se][sf][sg][sp][sq][sr][ss]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: look on gobase.org or senseis.xmp.net
stefanus [15k \]: thxs
inte [ BC \]: they don't use the igs score
malf [ 4k \]: there is a match command for Ing rules, yes
W 75.5 B 89.0
B+13
white time: 61:39
black time: 70:32])
