(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:1.4]ST[1]

SZ[19]KM[8]
PW[Yilun Yang]WR[7p]PB[Mingjiu Jiang]BR[7p]RE[B+5]TM[600]DT[2006-10-22]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2006]

;B[pd]
;W[pp]
;B[dd]
;W[cp]
;B[ep]
;W[gq]
;B[cq]
;W[bq]
;B[dq]
;W[cm]
;B[br]
;W[bp]
;B[fo]
;W[go]
;B[gn]
;W[ho]
;B[ck]
;W[dk]
;B[cj]
;W[cl]
;B[dj]
;W[fn]
;B[fq]
;W[gr]
;B[er]
;W[fm]
;B[nq]
;W[lq]
;B[lp]
;W[kq]
;B[qn]
;W[np]
;B[mp]
;W[mq]
;B[op]
;W[no]
;B[oo]
;W[oq]
;B[nr]
;W[on]
;B[po]
;W[pq]
;B[nn]
;W[mo]
;B[om]
;W[mn]
;B[nm]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]
;W[ro]
;B[rn]
;W[qh]
;B[qj]
;W[rj]C[nighthawk [ 2d?\]: why is komi only 1/2 a point]
;B[qk]
;W[qf]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: yeah they set it wrong]
;B[re]C[Iroh [ 9k?\]: komi is 8   Tourny people will score the game by hand
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: this is live in person?]
;W[rf]C[hlime [ 2d \]: yes and no
Grunt [ 6d+\]: no, this is live online
Grunt [ 6d+\]: they play on IGS
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: but they have officials who will count the game?
Grunt [ 6d+\]: im sure they can count themselves since theyre pro,]
;B[qe]
;W[rk]
;B[rl]
;W[qi]C[nighthawk [ 2d?\]: lol]
;B[sk]
;W[si]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: if there are any other high dans here, can they comment on the exchange on the lower right?]
;B[mm]
;W[ko]C[ulibecker [ 6k \]: That seemed to be in favour of White?!
Grunt [ 6d+\]: it seems white is leading right now, black seems too concentrated on the right
Go1031 [13k+\]: is R4 too small??
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: it is double gote i think]
;B[fc]C[Go1031 [13k+\]: ok
Go1031 [13k+\]: ic]
;W[nc]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: it seems white is ahead with a lot of territory and adding the komi too]
;B[oc]
;W[oe]
;B[pe]
;W[of]
;B[nb]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]
;W[lc]
;B[pf]
;W[og]C[ray1 [ 9k+\]: Is it possible to play B N17 instead of B O18?]
;B[rh]
;W[pg]
;B[ri]
;W[od]
;B[pb]
;W[cd]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: what is mingjiu doing? he gave white thickness for two stones in gote?
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: RANDEL EL IS CRAZY
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: sry also watching skins game, couldnt resist :)]
;B[cc]
;W[ce]
;B[bc]
;W[de]
;B[ed]
;W[ch]
;B[ek]
;W[dl]
;B[eh]
;W[eg]
;B[fg]
;W[ff]
;B[gg]
;W[dg]
;B[gf]
;W[ei]
;B[fi]
;W[dh]
;B[ej]
;W[fh]
;B[gi]
;W[fe]
;B[hd]
;W[bd]
;B[me]C[ulibecker [ 6k \]: Is there a problem for the W P16 group to live?
ulibecker [ 6k \]: :)
Grunt [ 6d+\]: impossible for black to kill
ulibecker [ 6k \]: Ah, thanks.
Onisuka [ 2k?\]: B or P 16 ?
Grunt [ 6d+\]: its impossible for black to kill P16
EB2003 [10k \]: why?
Onisuka [ 2k?\]: kk thanks
Cloud [ BC \]: yeah no chance to kill it
Cloud [ BC \]: too much space if white plays right it cant die
Grunt [ 6d+\]: maybe if black was super thick on the left, but his thickness is incomplete. even if black was super thick on the left, it is still hard to kill
ulibecker [ 6k \]: If I'd play W you would kill it easily, Grunt :-)
Grunt [ 6d+\]: no, i suck at fighting
ulibecker [ 6k \]: HehHeh....
Cloud [ BC \]: i doubt he would
Cloud [ BC \]: dan useally can get more profit
Cloud [ BC \]: from not killing.
Grunt [ 6d+\]: i think as long as white doesnt get attacked heavily, white will win this game
Grunt [ 6d+\]: even though i am rooting for black
Cloud [ BC \]: :)
ulibecker [ 6k \]: Yes, it looks like this.]
;W[ke]C[xgc [ 2d+\]: b left not quite safe yet
Grunt [ 6d+\]: yeah, his thickness is incomplete
xgc [ 2d+\]: better not make w too thick in center
Grunt [ 6d+\]: black may lose because of time too....]
;B[lf]
;W[kf]
;B[kg]
;W[le]
;B[mg]
;W[md]C[Go1031 [13k+\]: omg]
;B[jg]C[Go1031 [13k+\]: what is with black's time??]
;W[jc]C[Cloud [ BC \]: w wont relent he good at fast gp]
;B[ic]
;W[id]
;B[hc]
;W[kb]
;B[kn]
;W[lo]
;B[bi]
;W[bh]
;B[rq]
;W[qp]
;B[qr]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: ooooo.... if black knew there was something in the corner, then tradeoff during the beginning may not be so bad.....
EB2003 [10k \]: black largely winning
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: i dont see blacks plan]
;W[or]C[hlime [ 2d \]: well there must be something to it
ulibecker [ 6k \]: Will B be able to close the center?
Grunt [ 6d+\]: i think black may be able to live corner through ko....]
;B[sr]
;W[ib]
;B[en]C[Onisuka [ 2k?\]: is B already suvive at the corner ?
ray1 [ 9k+\]: W in real trouble?]
;W[em]
;B[dn]C[ulibecker [ 6k \]: S1 and T4 miai]
;W[bk]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: heh, mingjiu does not dissapoint...
hlime [ 2d \]: black seems to thin for this attack]
;B[bj]C[nighthawk [ 2d?\]: does S1 kill black in teh corner
Grunt [ 6d+\]: no black lives
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: oh black can just play T4
Cloud [ BC \]: t4
Cloud [ BC \]: to s1
Grunt [ 6d+\]: s1, t4, t5, r1, N2
Cloud [ BC \]: yeah
Grunt [ 6d+\]: then s4 after n2]
;W[gk]
;B[bl]
;W[bm]
;B[ak]C[ray1 [ 9k+\]: This is shaping up to be a real good day for the west coast]
;W[ar]
;B[bs]C[nighthawk [ 2d?\]: arent both players located on the west coasst
ulibecker [ 6k \]: B will have to make territory in the center, won't he?
Grunt [ 6d+\]: no, i think black is leading by a little right now
Grunt [ 6d+\]: bottom right was great
ulibecker [ 6k \]: Ah, I see.
ulibecker [ 6k \]: True.]
;W[ai]
;B[fk]
;W[hl]
;B[jl]
;W[jn]
;B[im]
;W[hn]
;B[ie]
;W[kl]
;B[kk]
;W[km]
;B[jk]
;W[ac]
;B[ab]
;W[ad]
;B[hb]
;W[ia]
;B[in]
;W[io]
;B[jm]
;W[ln]
;B[hj]
;W[ni]
;B[sg]
;W[li]
;B[ki]
;W[lh]
;B[lg]
;W[kh]
;B[jh]
;W[kj]
;B[ji]
;W[bb]
;B[cb]
;W[aa]
;B[sf]
;W[qg]
;B[lj]
;W[mj]
;B[lk]
;W[pj]
;B[pk]C[nighthawk [ 2d?\]: i think white is a little ahead
ulibecker [ 6k \]: The game is close now, isn't it?
Grunt [ 6d+\]: i think black has a definite win :)
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: yeah]
;W[fr]C[akushu [ 4d?\]: what is the komi?
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: oh well i would go with the 6d+ then
philip101 [ 6k \]: komi is 8]
;B[cn]
;W[bn]
;B[dp]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: score estimate counts lower right as dead
ulibecker [ 6k \]: That's right.
hlime [ 2d \]: hard to believe a six dan is using score estimate
ulibecker [ 6k \]: Stupid computers.
Grunt [ 6d+\]: yeah im lazy to count :)
Cloud [ BC \]: u can use estimate and then fix where it miscounts
Cloud [ BC \]: its faster then actually counting.]
;W[eb]C[hlime [ 2d \]: yes that is good practice
Cloud [ BC \]: lol.
Cloud [ BC \]: when i count too far off sometime as much as 10 points
ulibecker [ 6k \]: Counting the right lower corner correctly, GnuGo counts 19.5 for B.
philip101 [ 6k \]: wow.. e18 takes a lot of points away from black
hlime [ 2d \]: no need to count, if this works for white
ulibecker [ 6k \]: That's true, indeed.]
;B[fb]
;W[ca]C[hlime [ 2d \]: ko]
;B[dc]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: hmm, that shows black is confident in winning this game
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: yeah]
;W[da]C[philip101 [ 6k \]: or black is not confident in winning the ko]
;B[nh]
;W[mi]
;B[oj]
;W[oi]C[nighthawk [ 2d?\]: its still really big end game]
;B[pi]
;W[oh]
;B[hk]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: black probably already counted. if he was behind, he is forced to fight ko
hlime [ 2d \]: unless he knew he did not have the threats
hlime [ 2d \]: then he has to wait for another chance
philip101 [ 6k \]: white has lots of threats in bottom right i would think
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: either way we will c in a few minutes whether black needed to fight the ko or not]
;W[gl]
;B[jd]
;W[kd]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: judging from the looks of it, while the top was big yose, black has sente now
Grunt [ 6d+\]: probably can gain back loss]
;B[co]
;W[bo]C[hlime [ 2d \]: it is very close
hlime [ 2d \]: but as you said, black sente may put some distance]
;B[ee]
;W[ef]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: i have confidence in black that he will win 1.5!!!
Grunt [ 6d+\]: at least 1.5!!!!
nighthawk [ 2d?\]: haha jokes on you b/c komi is 8 points
philip101 [ 6k \]: score estimate will also be wrong because of the komi
Grunt [ 6d+\]: yeah komi is 8, but SE counts so many points on bottom right as white's
philip101 [ 6k \]: yeah
Grunt [ 6d+\]: none of those points are white's]
;B[mk]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: plus white has to fill in at N2 and O1 later]
;W[gp]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: which puts at least a 10 point difference]
;B[fp]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: between black and white]
;W[ge]
;B[he]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: so black should at least win by 1.5 counting komi
Grunt [ 6d+\]: well im hoping at least
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: b is ahead by 10 pts with komi]
;W[so]
;B[rs]C[nighthawk [ 2d?\]: komi is 8 so its 3 points right now]
;W[gj]
;B[fj]
;W[nj]
;B[nk]
;W[sn]
;B[sm]
;W[gh]
;B[hh]
;W[eh]
;B[ps]
;W[os]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: i think its safe to say at least 1.5 win!]
;B[lm]
;W[jf]
;B[if]
;W[am]C[hlime [ 2d \]: it will be 1 or 3]
;B[al]
;W[il]
;B[hm]
;W[gm]
;B[ll]
;W[kn]
;B[ec]
;W[ab]
;B[fs]
;W[gs]
;B[es]
;W[rg]
;B[sj]C[ChanServ [ 4d?\]: b by like 6]
;W[ik]
;B[ij]C[hlime [ 2d \]: not possible]
;W[gd]C[ChanServ [ 4d?\]: oh right
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: but they haven't filed up dame yet
hlime [ 2d \]: cannot be even]
;B[je]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]
;W[pr]C[ChanServ [ 4d?\]: so around 6
ChanServ [ 4d?\]: whic means 5 or 7]
;B[la]
;W[ka]
;B[lb]
;W[qs]
;B[qq]
;W[sp]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: whos winning on the other game?]
;B[ps]
;W[ha]
;B[qs]
;W[mr]C[hlime [ 2d \]: looking like 3]
;B[aj]
;W[ah]
;B[db]
;W[ea]
;B[fa]
;W[ba]
;B[pj]
;W[aq]
;B[cr]
;W[el]
;B[mf]
;W[nd]
;B[mh]
;W[ns]
;B[sq]
;W[as]
;B[ph]
;W[ga]
;B[ne]
;W[nf]
;B[ng]C[SeToSaN [11k?\]: rule chinese ?]
;W[fl]
;B[di]
;W[ci]
;B[fd]
;W[rp]C[hlime [ 2d \]: why didnt yang ever make the hane at t15?]
;B[dm]C[hlime [ 2d \]: ING
Grunt [ 6d+\]: 4.5 win here i guess]
;W[tt]
;B[tt]
;W[tt]TB[bk][cs][do][dr][ds][eo][eq][hf][hg][hi][id][ig][ih][ii][jj][kj][ma][ml][na][nl][oa][ob][ok][ol][on][pa][pc][pl][pm][qa][qb][qc][qd][ql][qm][ra][rb][rc][rd][rj][rk][rm][rr][sa][sb][sc][sd][se][sh][si][sl][ss]TW[ae][af][ag][an][ao][ap][be][bf][bg][cf][cg][df][gn][hp][hq][hr][hs][ip][iq][ir][is][ja][jb][jo][jp][jq][jr][js][kc][kp][kr][ks][ld][lp][lr][ls][mp][ms][nq][nr]C[hlime [ 2d \]: no half point in ing
W 49.5 B 61.0
B+5
white time: 80:53
black time: 91:59])
