(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:1.4]ST[1]

SZ[19]KM[8]
PW[ZhaoNian Chen]WR[8d]PB[Feng Yun]BR[9p]RE[B+R]TM[600]DT[2006-11-07]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2006]

;B[pd]C[janetwei [ 7k+\]: Is this a tournament?]
;W[dd]C[dbh [22k?\]: don't think so]
;B[pq]C[xedover: yes -- NAMT
janetwei [ 7k+\]: thanks
dbh [22k?\]: ok, thx]
;W[dq]
;B[do]
;W[co]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]
;B[eq]
;W[cn]
;B[pk]
;W[dr]
;B[jp]
;W[po]
;B[np]C[Ivanhoe [ 3k \]: 9p as black ???
dbh [22k?\]: seems so]
;W[no]
;B[mo]C[malf [ 4k \]: ZhaoNian belongs here]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]C[fastt [ BC \]: I was wondering about that too
malf [ 4k \]: he won the 2006 Ing Cup at the AGA Congress
malf [ 4k \]: he's 17
Ivanhoe [ 3k \]: great
earth [ BC \]: he won the ing cup because his opponents in the last two rounds made 20k mistakes]
;W[pr]
;B[oq]C[Ivanhoe [ 3k \]: did you saw the games ?
malf [ 4k \]: yeah yeah, his last round opponent made a really silly error
malf [ 4k \]: yes, i did
malf [ 4k \]: and ZhaoNian is still here
madhatter [ 1k+\]: looks like w has no confidence...
Ivanhoe [ 3k \]: but it means nothing, he goes until this rounds, so he was strong
fastt [ BC \]: w moves normal, why no confidence?
dbh [22k?\]: mistakes are how games are won or lost
harikata [17k?\]: no
earth [ BC \]: his final round opponent missed an atari in endgame]
;W[rr]
;B[qp]C[madhatter [ 1k+\]: to soon looking for variations or so.. i suppose]
;W[rq]C[malf [ 4k \]: he's 4-2, if he wins this game, he could be tied for 1st place]
;B[pp]C[Ivanhoe [ 3k \]: w don't win here
earth [ BC \]: it would be great if he won]
;W[rp]
;B[qo]C[FRED [ 3d+\]: is SODOS the first tie break ?
malf [ 4k \]: take a look at the link in the motd]
;W[or]
;B[nr]C[FRED [ 3d+\]: if it is then J Li in final already]
;W[qf]
;B[qe]C[earth [ BC \]: O17 is better than R14
dbh [22k?\]: at this point b seems to have the game well in hand]
;W[pf]
;B[nd]
;W[qi]
;B[fc]C[harikata [17k?\]: not even
earth [ BC \]: b doesnt feel a need to spend any time to beat her student
Ivanhoe [ 3k \]: earth, because of D16 ?]
;W[hc]C[madhatter [ 1k+\]: b f 17 surprises me.. only thought of s10 or so..
fastt [ BC \]: is this game a part of a tournament?]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[cd]
;W[de]
;B[db]
;W[eb]
;B[cb]
;W[ec]
;B[cf]C[earth [ BC \]: i dont agree with c17
earth [ BC \]: dingo what do u think?
fastt [ BC \]: why do u dislike c17?]
;W[qc]C[earth [ BC \]: a bad move
earth [ BC \]: should m17]
;B[re]C[fastt [ BC \]: m17 instead of c17?  Why?]
;W[oc]
;B[od]C[earth [ BC \]: m17 instead of r17...
fastt [ BC \]: u said u didn't like c17.  I asked why.]
;W[nb]
;B[qj]
;W[pi]
;B[nj]
;W[mg]C[earth [ BC \]: because it seems b no longer has control]
;B[nh]
;W[ng]
;B[oh]
;W[me]
;B[md]
;W[le]
;B[mb]
;W[rb]
;B[kd]C[dbh [22k?\]: b fast player]
;W[ke]
;B[jd]
;W[ld]
;B[lc]
;W[jb]C[LBW05LLM [ 4d+\]: game over so quickly?!
Ivanhoe [ 3k \]: j17 ?]
;B[kb]
;W[jc]
;B[kc]
;W[if]
;B[hd]C[dbh [22k?\]: at some point, b plays o17?]
;W[gd]
;B[he]
;W[je]
;B[id]C[dbh [22k?\]: nope, won't work]
;W[gc]
;B[ge]
;W[gg]
;B[fd]
;W[fb]
;B[ff]C[earth [ BC \]: well, zchen is lasting more than 44 moves this time
SlowThinkr [ 2d+\]: black can connect s13 anytime...
Ivanhoe [ 3k \]: no more problem for b, w has now problems]
;W[df]
;B[cg]
;W[dg]
;B[fg]
;W[ch]
;B[bh]C[malf [ 4k \]: the bottom right can hardly be called good for w :(]
;W[fh]
;B[gh]C[Meekohi [22k+\]: Just got in. Back on move 31, I thought S15 was usually prefered over R15?]
;W[fi]C[earth [ BC \]: bottom right is joseki
dbh [22k?\]: w has bottom right
malf [ 4k \]: yeah yeah, just because it's joseki doesn't mean the result is good
malf [ 4k \]: b played Chinese
earth [ BC \]: the result was equal]
;B[dh]C[davew [ 4d \]: I never play them, myself
malf [ 4k \]: you think? :)
malf [ 4k \]: hi dave :)]
;W[ci]C[earth [ BC \]: i know]
;B[di]C[dbh [22k?\]: more than enough space to make 2 eyes
Meekohi [22k+\]: Given the layout I'd agree that the bottom right is better for B. Much better influence for later.
davew [ 4d \]: can't remember them :) hi malf]
;W[cj]
;B[dj]C[earth [ BC \]: ????
malf [ 4k \]: earth, you are 6d+ here, i know, but you have this annoying habit of kibitzing like other players don't know why they choose the moves they do]
;W[ck]
;B[dk]C[Meekohi [22k+\]: earth: I'm not expert, but it seems that the territory white gained was at the expensive of giving black outside influence.]
;W[dl]C[earth [ BC \]: just watch and u will understand the ????
Meekohi [22k+\]: Okay ;)]
;B[fk]C[davew [ 4d \]: ??? is easy to understand
earth [ BC \]: anyways the bottom right is definitely a satisfactory result for w]
;W[el]
;B[fj]C[earth [ BC \]: w destroyed the corner
dbh [22k?\]: yep
earth [ BC \]: b started with chinese, what more could w want?]
;W[gi]C[yawho [ BC \]: chen like a pro
earth [ BC \]: w is dead]
;B[ic]C[malf [ 4k \]: yup
malf [ 4k \]: no argument this time :)
davew [ 4d \]: say I love these free lessons
jansteen [ 5d+\]: playing a pro as an amateur is like scratching concrete with bare nails :)
malf [ 4k \]: :-) dave
malf [ 4k \]: lol Jan :-)
jansteen [ 5d+\]: hi :)
malf [ 4k \]: hi :)
jndxjg [ 1d?\]: hi everyone]
;W[hl]C[earth [ BC \]: playing a pro as an amateur is one of the best parts of being an amateur
jansteen [ 5d+\]: i met Feng Yun in China
dbh [22k?\]: hi jan, love your site
jansteen [ 5d+\]: We had dinner together, the Dutch and American team
malf [ 4k \]: i've played many games with pros, i've won once :(
jansteen [ 5d+\]: Thank you dbh]
;B[hk]C[dbh [22k?\]: yw
malf [ 4k \]: at h6 in a simultaneous]
;W[ik]
;B[hj]C[davew [ 4d \]: that's good malf; I can rarely beat them at h3]
;W[ij]C[malf [ 4k \]: i've met Feng Yun also, Jan, at dinner, she's wonderful to talk to :)
jansteen [ 5d+\]: Yes, she is very positive
jansteen [ 5d+\]: Open and clever
davew [ 4d \]: h12
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: good looking?
malf [ 4k \]: she is also a very attractive woman, pretty :)
jansteen [ 5d+\]: yes, and ellegant as well
malf [ 4k \]: yes
malf [ 4k \]: she does not photograph well, i've noticed, people need to see her in person
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: give the picture
earth [ BC \]: wow calm down
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: give me the picture
earth [ BC \]: lol
yawho [ BC \]: yyh, watch the game
jansteen [ 5d+\]: gobase.org has her picture when she was young, very pretty
jansteen [ 5d+\]: www.vdkrogt.com/China/ has her recent picture
dbh [22k?\]: good advice
jansteen [ 5d+\]: lots of reading here]
;B[gm]C[malf [ 4k \]: i met her in 2004, on a bus late at night, and in 2005 i had the honor of being at dinner with her
oldwolf [15k?\]: wow, pro losing
davew [ 4d \]: :)
oldwolf [15k?\]: i cannot believe that
oldwolf [15k?\]: ouch]
;W[gl]C[oldwolf [15k?\]: shiiiiiiii
jansteen [ 5d+\]: she's a great asset for USA Go]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]C[davew [ 4d \]: the pro is b :)
malf [ 4k \]: she's a great Go asset anywhere
oldwolf [15k?\]: wow
jansteen [ 5d+\]: yes
fastt [ BC \]: yes, it looks like it works
dbh [22k?\]: 10 to 1 on b!
oldwolf [15k?\]: does she charge money?
earth [ BC \]: malf, pros are usually good assets
dbh [22k?\]: odds that is
fastt [ BC \]: sorry
yawho [ BC \]: w is powerful
oldwolf [15k?\]: b all dead
oldwolf [15k?\]: thinking of resign now
janetwei [ 7k+\]: b e7, then c8]
;B[gn]C[oldwolf [15k?\]: g6 may be biggest mistake
dbh [22k?\]: b ahead by approx 6ts]
;W[eh]C[oldwolf [15k?\]: wow, pro die
dbh [22k?\]: not yet
Aethrea [22k?\]: nobody died yet rite?
oldwolf [15k?\]: painful to play j18
dbh [22k?\]: i have faith
yawho [ BC \]: man, ama good
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: i find the page
oldwolf [15k?\]: if w win b, does w promote to 8d?
xedover: already 8d
davew [ 4d \]: again, its a teaching game
oldwolf [15k?\]: that is why g6 is a mistake move
janetwei [ 7k+\]: b j8?
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: there are very few 9p woman
jansteen [ 5d+\]: two
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: only 2 or 3
Aethrea [22k?\]: 2
jansteen [ 5d+\]: the other is Rui Naiwei
dbh [22k?\]: thx jan
jansteen [ 5d+\]: welcome :)]
;B[il]C[yawho [ BC \]: is woman 9p strong as man 9p or weaker ?
Aethrea [22k?\]: the same?
toolindo [ 1k \]: H11
jansteen [ 5d+\]: they have a seperate ranking system
dbh [22k?\]: jan you might find this intresting, i used to play with mike redmonds father, live in the town mike was born in
jansteen [ 5d+\]: yes, that's interesting
jansteen [ 5d+\]: Michael Redmond, such a nice exponent of western Go
dbh [22k?\]: wish he would play here, oh well
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: woman 9p is equal man 9p
dbh [22k?\]: true, jan
yawho [ BC \]: sure, the answer is they are same. NaiWei had to beat many 9p to be promoted]
;W[eg]C[janetwei [ 7k+\]: b j18
yawho [ BC \]: w lost, b gain to much
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: i know NaiWei is very strong player
dbh [22k?\]: h7?]
;B[ib]C[dbh [22k?\]: b now lives
jansteen [ 5d+\]: now focus will  change to black's moyo
dbh [22k?\]: reckon so]
;W[hm]C[AbrahamM [22k?\]: A lot of observers for this game
davew [ 4d \]: b h11 would worry me]
;B[em]C[YuYuHo [ 4k \]: who is zchen]
;W[jl]C[earth [ BC \]: your worst nightmare]
;B[dm]C[earth [ BC \]: keep small children away from him
davew [ 4d \]: why, he doesn't pay? :)
janetwei [ 7k+\]: white has no chance now]
;W[cm]
;B[hi]C[davew [ 4d \]: oops]
;W[hh]
;B[ii]
;W[hn]C[YuYuHo [ 4k \]: pay what
airsjon [ 2d?\]: zchen is Zhaonian Chen]
;B[ih]
;W[ig]C[davew [ 4d \]: money]
;B[lh]C[davew [ 4d \]: hi airsjon
AbrahamM [22k?\]: so Fengyun is a pro right?
airsjon [ 2d?\]: rar
airsjon [ 2d?\]: Yes]
;W[kh]
;B[ki]
;W[li]C[fastt [ BC \]: very impressive play by b
earth [ BC \]: wtf
Go1031 [12k \]: if z chen isn't shouldn't he get a handicap?
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: the only 2 woman 9p int the world
Go1031 [12k \]: pro i mean]
;B[lj]
;W[ji]C[Go1031 [12k \]: if z chen isn't pro shouldnt he get a handicap?]
;B[kj]C[davew [ 4d \]: teaching game
Go1031 [12k \]: ?
Go1031 [12k \]: really?
malf [ 4k \]: hey, he fought his way into this
malf [ 4k \]: he belongs
airsjon [ 2d?\]: this is tournament game]
;W[jh]
;B[jj]C[jansteen [ 5d+\]: isn't it an NAMT game, dave?
davew [ 4d \]: really?
fastt [ BC \]: yes
airsjon [ 2d?\]: A league of NAMT
Go1031 [12k \]: this is scary now
malf [ 4k \]: his record prior to this game is 4-2.
davew [ 4d \]: well I didn't know, sorry
malf [ 4k \]: if he wins, he could win the tournament
malf [ 4k \]: heh, dave, check the link in the motd
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: what is NAMT]
;W[im]C[Go1031 [12k \]: F6
Go1031 [12k \]: plzz
fastt [ BC \]: what's FengYun's record?
airsjon [ 2d?\]: North American Masters Tournament]
;B[ek]C[airsjon [ 2d?\]: http://www.seattlegocenter.org/namt/
Go1031 [12k \]: ???
fastt [ BC \]: ty
malf [ 4k \]: 3-1 with 1 adjourn]
;W[cl]C[malf [ 4k \]: Jie Li, Feng Yun, Yilun Yang, MingJiu Jiang, Zhaonian Chen all have a chance to win this tournament
YuYuHo [ 4k \]: is the game live]
;B[lg]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: i was just looking at the schedule. i don't think they do, because of the SODOS
zhenyu [ 3d \]: did Jie Li lose any game so far?]
;W[kg]C[malf [ 4k \]: yeah, he finished 5-2]
;B[kf]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: it's odd, but Jie Li might win because he lost to Thomas Hsiang, who only has one win]
;W[jg]C[yawho [ BC \]: jie  lost two
chayashida [ 5k+\]: err, two wins
malf [ 4k \]: no no, nomad finished 2-5
chayashida [ 5k+\]: i meant that he lost fewer SODOS points from losing to Mr. Hsiang. Other players won't have as many SODOS points.
zhenyu [ 3d \]: that's too bad. I thought Jie Li was the strongest
malf [ 4k \]: heh, with Feng Yun, Mingjiu Jiang, and Yilun Yang in the field? :)
FRED [ 3d+\]: looks like J Li will beat out JM even if FengYun wins all her games]
;B[go]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: Mr. Yang, even if he beats Feng Yun, i think will only have 12 SODOS points
chayashida [ 5k+\]: so i tihnk it's already decided]
;W[ho]C[dbh [22k?\]: h4?
gateway [ 2d+\]: a really really tough game for w
malf [ 4k \]: not so, Feng Yun wins this game, and it comes down to her game with Yilun Yang this Thursday
chayashida [ 5k+\]: sorry, you're right]
;B[jk]C[gateway [ 2d+\]: did feng yun lose two game?
malf [ 4k \]: :)
chayashida [ 5k+\]: hard to do all that math in my head :)
malf [ 4k \]: :-)
chayashida [ 5k+\]: i guess ms. Feng just waited until the field settled so she could figure out what she had to do :)
gateway [ 2d+\]: her record shows 3-2
liberator [ 4k+\]: who is zchen?]
;W[il]C[malf [ 4k \]: 17 year old kid :)
chayashida [ 5k+\]: he won the B league]
;B[gp]C[Go1031 [12k \]: gg
malf [ 4k \]: he won the Ing Cup at this year's AGA Congress]
;W[iq]C[FRED [ 3d+\]: with a little bit of luck
malf [ 4k \]: yeah
earth [ BC \]: he is the luckiest go player i know, no question
malf [ 4k \]: luck is part of strength :)
earth [ BC \]: no
Go1031 [12k \]: luck is a part if bs
Go1031 [12k \]: lol]
;B[hq]C[Go1031 [12k \]: of*]
;W[hr]
;B[ip]C[FRED [ 3d+\]: w two weaks groups - one is going to have a problem]
;W[hp]
;B[gq]C[Go1031 [12k \]: i hear a resign
malf [ 4k \]: so, earth, why did Ge forget to connect? tired?
earth [ BC \]: no
liberator [ 4k+\]: w is over
earth [ BC \]: zchen is very tricky
malf [ 4k \]: :)]
;W[jq]C[dbh [22k?\]: b wins]
;B[jn]
;W[gr]C[Go1031 [12k \]: i saw that coming]
;B[kl]C[dbh [22k?\]: b lose on time?
stimpy [14k \]: why did W go G2?
davew [ 4d \]: no other hope
dbh [22k?\]: mean w
janetwei [ 7k+\]: the difference between amature and pro is that amature never resign until the last moment
zhenyu [ 3d \]: if high dan pro players, b resign 10 steps ago
dbh [22k?\]: true
stimpy [14k \]: ok...  thanks
davew [ 4d \]: b resign?
chayashida [ 5k+\]: stimpy, B G2 would be sente and cut off W's group.
liberator [ 4k+\]: N11]
;W[mi]
;B[jm]
;W[mj]C[dbh [22k?\]: goes for big pts]
;B[mk]
;W[kp]
;B[ko]
;W[lk]
;B[kk]
;W[ll]
;B[km]C[chayashida [ 5k+\]: throw in doesn't work, not enough libs]
;W[nk]
;B[mh]C[janetwei [ 7k+\]: this is humiliating
zhenyu [ 3d \]: sigh, just resign
davew [ 4d \]: just last tries
chayashida [ 5k+\]: that's all she wrote :(
zhenyu [ 3d \]: even a 1k will finish the game
yawho [ BC \]: w has secret weapon
White resigns.
B+R
White time: 63:23
Black time: 46:12])
