(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:1.4]ST[1]

SZ[19]KM[8]
PW[Zhaonian Chen]WR[8d]PB[Huiren Yang]BR[1p]RE[W+R]TM[600]DT[2006-10-14]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2006]

;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[cd]
;W[pq]
;B[qo]
;W[od]
;B[mc]
;W[qc]
;B[rc]
;W[pc]
;B[re]
;W[md]
;B[ld]
;W[qf]
;B[pe]
;W[lc]
;B[me]
;W[nd]
;B[kc]
;W[lb]
;B[kd]
;W[kb]
;B[jb]C[earth [ BC \]: w lost already]
;W[mb]
;B[qh]C[zediir [22k?\]: Is this the namt game?
ilove [21k?\]: yes
earth [ BC \]: w resign soon]
;W[qj]
;B[ql]C[earth [ BC \]: R10 is bad]
;W[qg]C[fry [ 6d \]: hi can someone tell me how nomad had access to the kibitz after his game against JLi?
Helicon01 [ 1d \]: all he has to do just login one more time with another account
fry [ 6d \]: no
malf [ 4k \]: after?  kibitz is part of the sgf
Helicon01 [ 1d \]: what's b waiting for? wouldnt q12 work?]
;B[ph]
;W[of]
;B[rg]
;W[rf]
;B[rh]
;W[oh]C[fry [ 6d \]: it would be really funny if b lost this game
Helicon01 [ 1d \]: hehe, yeah
Orange [ 1d \]: ?]
;B[og]
;W[ng]
;B[pg]
;W[pf]C[Wenni [16k \]: I personally find loosing not funny at all ...]
;B[nf]
;W[mf]
;B[ne]
;W[oe]
;B[le]
;W[nh]C[Helicon01 [ 1d \]: this doesnt look all that great for b]
;B[oi]
;W[ni]
;B[oj]
;W[nj]
;B[ok]
;W[sg]C[Wenni [16k \]: should be fun ;-)
ilove [21k?\]: :)
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: t16 would be fun]
;B[nk]
;W[mk]C[leoricNR [ 1d?\]: err, t16 dies...]
;B[ml]
;W[lk]C[leoricNR [ 1d?\]: t15 has potential]
;B[ll]
;W[kk]C[Wenni [16k \]: t15 then s18?
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: then r18]
;B[kl]
;W[jk]C[Wenni [16k \]: yup, sweet]
;B[jl]
;W[ik]C[Wenni [16k \]: but funny enough?
fry [ 6d \]: one slight problem - t14 is sente
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: hmm
Wenni [16k \]: against r12 group you mean?]
;B[fd]C[leoricNR [ 1d?\]: ah yes, the throw in at s11 makes black die...]
;W[po]
;B[qp]
;W[qq]
;B[pp]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[np]
;B[rq]C[fry [ 6d \]: this corner sequence is vulgar]
;W[rr]
;B[hm]C[fry [ 6d \]: b managed to overconcentrate himself even more]
;W[pn]
;B[qn]
;W[pm]C[Orange [ 1d \]: still blk playing less wildly than his fast practice games elsewhere
zephi [ 6k \]: 6d has some stones :)]
;B[rk]
;W[pl]C[malf [ 4k \]: gobase indicates b became pro in 1997, but has only 30 games as a pro, with a 36.67% win rate
malf [ 4k \]: can this be correct?
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: ouch for black...
fry [ 6d \]: this should be O7
zephi [ 6k \]: maybe his plan as a pro has been to teach rather than compete
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: I thought white would play O7 and not Q8, but Q8 looks evil
zephi [ 6k \]: :)
zephi [ 6k \]: praise evil q8
zephi [ 6k \]: w nneds some evil with k9 llokin like it won't produce many points
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: problem with evil though... it will get burned eventually
fry [ 6d \]: Q4 should be at N3]
;B[rj]C[zephi [ 6k \]: hmm...n3 looked nice enough
zephi [ 6k \]: maybe b thought q4 went better with his wall?
zephi [ 6k \]: or is that bad use of a wall?
fry [ 6d \]: lol]
;W[pk]C[fry [ 6d \]: this doesnt work
zephi [ 6k \]: I hear I don't know how to use walls, so I try to think about it
fry [ 6d \]: O6
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: walls are for attacking
Helicon01 [ 1d \]: yeah, o6
Helicon01 [ 1d \]: b can kill w
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: too much evil
malf [ 4k \]: throw you opponent's stones at your walls, see if they break :)]
;B[nm]
;W[nn]C[zephi [ 6k \]: tweet said no
zephi [ 6k \]: O.o
Wenni [16k \]: lol, don't even think about breaking my beautiful stones ;-)]
;B[lf]
;W[pi]C[fry [ 6d \]: im confused already
fry [ 6d \]: are they playing Go?
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: thats not good, that makes us hopelessly lost]
;B[pj]
;W[qk]
;B[qi]
;W[qm]
;B[rm]C[fry [ 6d \]: what?]
;W[rl]C[Helicon01 [ 1d \]: heh
Mouse [ 4d \]: this is ridiculous
fry [ 6d \]: ????
zephi [ 6k \]: w isn't necessarily 6d]
;B[rn]C[malf [ 4k \]: w won the Ing Cup at the US Open
Mouse [ 4d \]: black doesn't seem 7d either]
;W[sl]C[fry [ 6d \]: R11 should be R7
Mouse [ 4d \]: is this a tourney?
zephi [ 6k \]: um
fry [ 6d \]: because opponent missed atari
fry [ 6d \]: hahah]
;B[sk]C[malf [ 4k \]: namt league game
zephi [ 6k \]: what?
zephi [ 6k \]: this?]
;W[gk]C[zephi [ 6k \]: oh...11am west coast]
;B[li]
;W[ki]
;B[kh]C[fry [ 6d \]: b is playing awfully
fry [ 6d \]: L11 should be F7
zephi [ 6k \]: being west coast...they prolly got started this morning with a nice bowl of ganja]
;W[ji]
;B[qb]
;W[pb]C[malf [ 4k \]: yes, the game with Yongfei Ge
malf [ 4k \]: that was pretty amazing]
;B[se]C[Mouse [ 4d \]: who's somerville?
malf [ 4k \]: Huiren Yang
Mouse [ 4d \]: ic
fry [ 6d \]: i think w will win the game
fry [ 6d \]: lol]
;W[jn]C[zephi [ 6k \]: balance......]
;B[fm]
;W[sf]C[zephi [ 6k \]: hmm...looks like w is causing all of the weirdness
fry [ 6d \]: w really doesnt like leaving anything to the imagination
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: seems solid choice
fry [ 6d \]: why use up a sente move?
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: to cut?
zephi [ 6k \]: give b another false eye and then b starts to kill w center?
chayashida [ 5k+\]: is this the namt game?
xedover: yes
chayashida [ 5k+\]: thx
TimeForUs [15k?\]: they anounce b is pro 1dan
xedover: Zhaonian Chen vs Huiren Yang 1 dan pro
fry [ 6d \]: kogi, who leads?
zephi [ 6k \]: malf seemed to indicate pro might not mean much in b case]
;B[sm]C[kogi [ 7d \]: seems w good
kogi [ 7d \]: t7 is painful, bu b has no choice]
;W[no]C[kogi [ 7d \]: f7 seems like an overplay
zephi [ 6k \]: bottom starting to fatten
Vlekman [ 9k+\]: anyone knows the time per game in a namt league game?
kogi [ 7d \]: 60 10]
;B[ql]C[Vlekman [ 9k+\]: thx
zephi [ 6k \]: and b using lots more time than w]
;W[ho]
;B[ek]
;W[cf]
;B[ei]
;W[cc]C[fry [ 6d \]: why is w in such a hurry?
zephi [ 6k \]: nerves?
fry [ 6d \]: no
tasremin [22k?\]: or he thinks little of his opponent
Wenni [16k \]: he uses the time while his opponent thinks
tasremin [22k?\]: yes, that is mor plausible. ..
Wenni [16k \]: they should do brainscripts for us to read and understand]
;B[dd]
;W[bd]
;B[be]
;W[bc]
;B[ce]
;W[eb]
;B[gi]
;W[hi]
;B[hh]C[oldwolf [ 3k?\]: pro lose to a ama
tasremin [22k?\]: how much moves does an average 6d-player read ahead?]
;W[el]C[oldwolf [ 3k?\]: 10]
;B[fl]
;W[gj]C[fry [ 6d \]: two]
;B[ii]C[tasremin [22k?\]: :) so the rest is experience?
oldwolf [ 3k?\]: oops, pls trust fry 6d*]
;W[hj]C[Tiesto422 [17k \]: so when i can read two moves ahead ill be 6d?
Wenni [16k \]: only if you choose the right two
Tiesto422 [17k \]: lol
tasremin [22k?\]: what do you think. can white defend center? or is it in big danger?
asmodee [ 2d+\]: w will live
zephi [ 6k \]: center probably lives. may lose o10 tho
Vlekman [ 9k+\]: is M10 any good?]
;B[gh]
;W[ih]
;B[jh]C[tasremin [22k?\]: now white has to think too...
oldwolf [ 3k?\]: resign
Simon [22k?\]: why?]
;W[lj]C[zediir [22k?\]: apparently it was
zephi [ 6k \]: but not for b
tasremin [22k?\]: j13?
zediir [22k?\]: yeah]
;B[ig]C[tasremin [22k?\]: yippie, i could read that ^^
zephi [ 6k \]: money in the back better than a kill, huh?
zephi [ 6k \]: *bank]
;W[fo]
;B[jp]
;W[jo]
;B[lp]
;W[ip]
;B[jq]C[tasremin [22k?\]: b m12  would still make it difficult to live in center, right?
zephi [ 6k \]: then h8
waterfall [ 2k \]: there is still eye potential by xH8
waterfall [ 2k \]: white-H8
tasremin [22k?\]: ok
tasremin [22k?\]: so, tension is down again :)
zephi [ 6k \]: I'm faster than a waterfall ;)
zediir [22k?\]: =)
Simon [22k?\]: if w h8 then b j10?]
;W[ko]C[zephi [ 6k \]: then w atari
zephi [ 6k \]: no biggie]
;B[hr]
;W[kr]C[Simon [22k?\]: but can't b prevent white from connecting to the G10 block then?
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: yay, blood]
;B[iq]
;W[jr]
;B[hp]
;W[io]
;B[gp]
;W[go]C[zephi [ 6k \]: w would have 2 eyes at that point, so no biggie
Simon [22k?\]: where the second eye?
zephi [ 6k \]: leo is surprisingly bloodthirsty
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: sorry...
zephi [ 6k \]: l10 and h9, bud]
;B[eq]C[Tiesto422 [17k \]: and n10, so white has h9 and n10 as miai]
;W[dq]
;B[dr]
;W[cr]
;B[fr]C[zephi [ 6k \]: n10 is only an eye if b doesn't connect m11
Tiesto422 [17k \]: same with h9]
;W[dk]C[Tiesto422 [17k \]: thats why they are miai
zephi [ 6k \]: we were discussing if b did connect m11]
;B[dl]
;W[ds]
;B[es]
;W[er]
;B[mq]C[Tiesto422 [17k \]: oh ok]
;W[mr]
;B[dr]
;W[ej]
;B[em]C[Simon [22k?\]: thats what confuses me, I thought of this: B M12, W H8, B  J10, W K10, B J12, W J8, B  G8]
;W[er]
;B[lr]C[Dantee [ BC \]: Looks like there in Ko]
;W[kq]C[zephi [ 6k \]: simon, then w connects to k6]
;B[dr]C[zephi [ 6k \]: with all those threats against w center, not sure how w plans to win the ko
Simon [22k?\]: yes, now it does, there wasn't a white stone when I figured this out :)]
;W[si]C[Vlekman [ 9k+\]: What does w play after M12 H8 j8?
zephi [ 6k \]: k6 has been there for quite some time :)]
;B[sh]
;W[er]C[Simon [22k?\]: ok, you're right, but the white wall wasn't there
Tiesto422 [17k \]: even if k6 isnt there white breaks through to his friends]
;B[kp]
;W[lq]
;B[dr]
;W[ri]
;B[sj]
;W[er]
;B[nr]C[zephi [ 6k \]: that's g8 connection, vlek]
;W[ls]
;B[dr]
;W[cs]C[Vlekman [ 9k+\]: thx zephi. More than 3 ply is too much for me]
;B[er]
;W[co]C[zephi [ 6k \]: doubt that...you don't give yourse; fany credit
leoricNR [ 1d?\]: I read W G1 kills yet
zephi [ 6k \]: b still has t18?]
;B[eo]
;W[dj]C[tasremin [22k?\]: black needs to speed up a little ...
Tiesto422 [17k \]: black is fine
zephi [ 6k \]: dunno if he'll make it]
;B[fj]
;W[fk]
;B[fi]C[zephi [ 6k \]: he hasn't gone that fast whole game :)]
;W[cl]
;B[cm]
;W[el]C[tasremin [22k?\]: i hate it, when a game ends because lack of time
Tiesto422 [17k \]: i remember yesterday Dai had 20 seconds to make 10 moves and made a brilliant ko to save his group
zephi [ 6k \]: that was awesome]
;B[dm]C[zephi [ 6k \]: but the difference bettween the two is obvious]
;W[ep]
;B[fp]C[zediir [22k?\]: one move every 30 second's and his fine]
;W[en]
;B[ek]
;W[bk]
;B[bl]
;W[ck]C[tasremin [22k?\]: yes, apparently, he did speed up a lot :)]
;B[bm]
;W[el]C[zediir [22k?\]: ko]
;B[bq]
;W[cq]C[zephi [ 6k \]: nah]
;B[ek]
;W[ch]C[Simon [22k?\]: why doesn't one of them play at the  H7 K8 connection? isn't that an important point?
zephi [ 6k \]: b doesn't want w to play h8 cause then he would be forced to connect in gote]
;B[bg]
;W[el]C[zephi [ 6k \]: f8 doesn't have eyes, you see
mgelo1 [12k?\]: B can kill D10 if W cuts?
Simon [22k?\]: but if W cuts there, the whole black group on the left might die?
zephi [ 6k \]: d10 will be able to increeeease it's liberites where f8 would already be pretty well surrounded
mgelo1 [12k?\]: except if W dies first
tasremin [22k?\]: somehow, often noone dies :)
mgelo1 [12k?\]: then i'm as bafflede as you are]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]
;B[ek]
;W[cg]C[zephi [ 6k \]: just suffice to say b doesn't want to use a threat that would hurt him more than w]
;B[di]C[mgelo1 [12k?\]: the question i believe was why dont W cut?]
;W[ci]C[zephi [ 6k \]: as a threat?
mgelo1 [12k?\]: no just cut at J8
zephi [ 6k \]: doesn't really work that way
mgelo1 [12k?\]: but why?
zephi [ 6k \]: if w just cuts, b takes the eye
Grunt [ 6d+\]: this is NAMT?
zephi [ 6k \]: then w doesn't have all that many liberties]
;B[ap]
;W[bn]
;B[cp]
;W[cn]
;B[an]C[zephi [ 6k \]: yes]
;W[il]
;B[im]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: is somerville huiren yang?
zephi [ 6k \]: heh...w goin for it?
zephi [ 6k \]: that's what I hear
Grunt [ 6d+\]: thanks]
;W[jm]C[TimeForUs [ 4k?\]: resign soon]
;B[lo]
;W[bp]C[leoricNR [ 1d?\]: pints of blood!
zephi [ 6k \]: :)
zephi [ 6k \]: someone must die]
;B[br]
;W[ao]C[zediir [22k?\]: damn vampires]
;B[gl]
;W[ij]
;B[bo]
;W[ln]C[mgelo1 [12k?\]: now W lives
TimeForUs [ 4k?\]: resign]
;B[mn]
;W[ao]C[zephi [ 6k \]: except for that
Wenni [16k \]: thanks god w lives, if he was dead how would his ghost use the computer?
zediir [22k?\]: he could possess someone like sai]
;B[bj]C[Forfun [ 7d \]: why did 6d take w??
Grunt [ 6d+\]: zchen is not 6d
Grunt [ 6d+\]: hes a 7d on IGS
mgelo1 [12k?\]: are the colors randomly drawn?
Grunt [ 6d+\]: yes
mgelo1 [12k?\]: it's easier to win with W, 8 pt komi
Forfun [ 7d \]: Ok, so zchen just started with a new account.
zediir [22k?\]: komi is 6.5? wasn't it 8....
mgelo1 [12k?\]: must be a mistake
zediir [22k?\]: yeah
FRED [ 3d+\]: b short on time]
;W[am]C[Grunt [ 6d+\]: oh well, it looks like this wont turn out to be a marginal win :)
ilove [21k?\]: namt page says hes 8d
zephi [ 6k \]: komi won't matter if they both keep tryin to make the other resign
Grunt [ 6d+\]: zchen is DragonFire on IGS]
;B[cj]C[Forfun [ 7d \]: what is namt?
Grunt [ 6d+\]: north american masters tournament
Grunt [ 6d+\]: there are pros and really strong amateurs
zephi [ 6k \]: ok...back to e9 ko?]
;W[ak]C[waterfall [ 2k \]: no
xedover: http://www.seattlegocenter.org/namt/
zediir [22k?\]: 10 moves
zediir [22k?\]: 5 seconds to make each move]
;B[al]
;W[el]
;B[an]C[mgelo1 [12k?\]: back to B5 ko :)]
;W[ek]
;B[bo]
;W[mo]
;B[mm]
;W[ao]
;B[dn]
;W[do]
;B[bo]
;W[gq]
;B[cp]
;W[hq]
;B[fq]
;W[ir]
;B[gr]
;W[hq]C[zephi [ 6k \]: ???]
;B[gq]
;W[mp]C[zephi [ 6k \]: count b, come on
Grunt [ 6d+\]: gged
TimeForUs [ 4k?\]: ???????????????????????????????
zephi [ 6k \]: time trouble
TimeForUs [ 4k?\]: 7d's mistake
Mouse [ 4d \]: KO'ed
zephi [ 6k \]: that wasn't even 7d mistake
Black resigns.
white time: 43:12
black time: 70:33])
