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Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #321 January 24, 2002 In this issue: * News from Roy * Que pasa New York! * Which "Do Ya" like better? * A Wizzard, by any other name, wouldn't sound as Roy * Carlsberg short measures - did you spill my pint? * Traveling Wilburys live in concert! * My Marge vocals * Bill Hunt on his nephew's new CD * Keith Smart on Never Mind The Buzzcocks * Feel Too Good At The Hop ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: News from Roy Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:18:39 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins This just in, direct from Roy Wood... Look for two *new* songs to be played at the Village Underground shows in March: "Spektacular" and "Big Girl's Blues." The latter is a bluesy number with horns, inspired by Gary Moore. The title comes from the popular British saying, "big girl's blouse." If you are able to view the "Rock Legends" show on Carlton TV that features Roy (it airs Jan. 25), you'll witness a rough version of "Spektacular." More news... Roy is in the process of creating a full-on 15-member salsa band and has decided on a name: MDO (Mega Dance Orquesta.) "Orquesta" is the Brazilian spelling of "Orchestra." He won't be adding salsa numbers to his current "hits" set. (He thought he might try to "salsa up" a couple of classics but it just wasn't working.) His plan is for MDO to be ALL salsa, all new material. ********** Subject: Que pasa New York! Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:04:27 -0800 From: Plastic Ono Dream come on down gang! i'm a lousy host, i don't drink in public, and i'm not a people person! so who could be better to lead the "woody brigade" when "the army" plays here? lol! the only place i ever knew to have a "woody" cd on the jukebox is "the lakeside lounge" on avenue b. this was a few years ago, they had "roy wood: through the years" on the juke. the owners of this place, the infamous "rosco & the hound", also owned the "avenue b social club", which they sold to "handsome dick manitoba" of "the dictators", and it's now his bar "manitoba's". both of these places are kind of a far walk crosstown from "the village underground" where "the army" will be playing. not for my long legged new york self, but it may be for some of our out of town troops. "the village underground" itself is open at about 3pm, when i bought the "woody" tickets...uh...last year..it seemed like a pretty kool west village place, considering the west village isn't kool anymore. perhaps our other list new yorker young "dlobro" can think of a good gathering spot. in the meantime i'll be doing the "winston o'boogie" on a nightly basis. i'm VERY interested in the "new" song by "the army" that's gonna be on that "noddy holder" tv show! hey "dlobro"...any ideas? coming soon...my long winded review of the re-issued "carl wayne" cd ! ready on those delete buttons! ********** [Catching up...] Subject: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:34:42 EDT From: Mike G. I always loved Do Ya by The Move. True Jeff Lynne wrote it, but the two of them delivered it smashingly. I was always disappointed with the ELO version, having heard The Move version first. What do others think? ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:48:45 EDT From: Jeff R. Lonto Being a native of flyover land in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, local Top-40 radio played ELO's "Do Ya" for a couple of weeks in the summer of 1977 before pulling it off the playlist. "Telephone Line", however, got the snot played out of it. A few years later, a Minneapolis oldies station, WWTC-AM 1280 was plying the Move's "Do Ya" but not the ELO version! A DJ by the name of John Messenger even used it as the closing anthem of his final show on WWTC before he left for a country music station. "To me, there's nothing that equals to the power of this record from '72," he said on the air. When I play the Move's "Do Ya" for people, the inevitable resopnse I get is "sounds like some garage band" or "that's awfully raw sounding" in comparison to ELO. As for myself, I prefer the Move precisely for that reason. Having charted all the way up to #97 on the US pop charts, it's the Move's biggest hit over here. What? The group was huge in the UK and it existed before Lynne joined? NO! Ah, American ignorance. ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:59:14 -0400 From: Bob Hughes I always liked the middle part of the ELO version where the violins come in. If you could splice that into the middle of the Move version you'd have the perfect take. ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:33:36 -0400 From: "Richard Pasquini" I think that The Move's version of "Do Ya" is without a doubt, much more superior than the E.L.O. version. The Move version is alot more raw, and spontanious. By the time E.L.O. recorded it, they already had found there niche sound. From "A New World Record" on they already had established their sound...they lost the excitement of experimentation. .Same as with Pink Floyd from "Dark Side Of The Moon"...everything after that had that Pink Floyd sound. Before that, every album was an experiment, and always very different. Simarily with E.L.O...I'm not saying that they weren't good...I love all there albums...Jeff Lynne writes great songs. He's a great songwriter...I prefer there older albums...but that's my taste. My favorite Floyd album is "Piper At The Gates Of Dawn"...and alot of people I Knew who loved Pink Floyd, didn't even know of that album. Obviously, my favorite E.L.O. album is "No Answer". I love that album. It's totally experimental. It's like an extented Move Album. The Move were always very experimental...probably cause Roy Wood played so many instruments. And he had a desire to use them all. So....you experiment. Anyway, "Do Ya" by the Move is my vote. Thanks for listening, B.J. ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 01:13:45 -0500 From: Kevin A Kunreuther Between ELO & The Move's version of "Do Ya", The Move's version is best, hands down, no ifs, ands, buts, about it. It's got that rough raw garage power to it and sounds like a superior demo recorded yesterday on somebody's four-track recorder.Considering both ELO's versions, well the arrangements are 98% great but the production is a little too slick. The ending Jeff did I always thought was wrong wrong wrong! It should be the chorus then "But I, I, I ....never seen nothing like you." and end there. Get a copy of the ANWR song book, find "Do Ya" and try it. Considering this song has been covered by a lot of artists over the years, in concert and on vinyl and CD, who do you think does the best cover version? I've heard The Who vs. live back in '79 and that was powerful. Matthew Sweet does a great version from Conan O'Brien Late Show CD. And I'm sure many members of list have heard Utopia's version from their 1974"Another Live" release, which Jeff's ELO version bears a passing resemblance. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas, TX ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:51:05 +0100 From: "roy cooke" I think that the best cover version of do ya is by Ace Frehley (the Kiss space kadett) it has a real edge he also played it live in NY as frehleys comet and it was a ball breaking version. ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:56:04 -0600 From: "Michael J. Cross" Ace Frehly's Comet does the best cover version of Do Ya (other than ELO's, which I DO consider to be a cover of a Move tune), IMHO ********** Subject: A Wizzard, by any other name, wouldn't sound as Roy Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:24:37 -0700 From: Bill X Carson Lynnette Cannell writes: > Having just visited amazon.co.uk was amazed at the huge list of > "Wizzard" recordings. Is the name not copyright? No, a name is not "copyright". The term you're looking for is "covered by copyright" or "protected by copyright". Copyrights are for creative works, not names. A name (such as "Wizzard") would be protected by a trade mark and/or service mark. Being that Wizzard is a unique word (as opposed to the common noun "wizard"), trade mark/service mark status could certainly have been available to the first person who applied for it (which may or may not have been Roy). Note that this applies territory-by-territory; if Roy had successfully acquired it in the UK, that may mean nothing in Brazil, for example. In the early 1980s, there was a popular musical group in the UK called "The Beat"; They had hits in many countries. However, in Los Angeles, Paul Collins (my neighbor at the time!) had a band called "The Beat" (contemporaries of the other group), and this LA musical group successfully acquired the USA trade mark/service mark before the UK group could do so. The end result was: in the USA "The Beat" was the USA group, and the UK group was known as "The UK Beat" and sometimes "The Beat UK". In every other country (that I know of) the UK group used "The Beat" successfully. I don't know if the LA group even had ANY records released in other territories (outside the USA). Also, "the type of use" comes into play with trade marks/service marks. For example, Apple Computers was established in the late 70s... Yet the Beatles had Apple Corps / Apple Records in the late 60s. Since they were involved in very different forms of business/products, there was no infringement. However, when Apple Computers tried to enter the music marketplace (with MIDI interfaces), they were notified that they would be infringing on Apple Records' use of the name "Apple" for music products. Notice that Apple Computers never went any further with those MIDI products? To further illustrate this point, there was (maybe still is) a brand of chewing tobacco in Sweden called "Abba". This product pre-dates the musical group "Abba" by many years. The musical group derived their name from the 4 members' initials, not from that tobacco product; hence, no infringement. Having said all of that, I would think Roy might get some legal protection, regarding these other "so-called-Wizzard" products being sold in the UK and any other territories where he owns the trade mark/service mark for "Wizzard". Sincerely, Bill Millay ********** Subject: Carlsberg short measures - did you spill my pint? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:41:50 +0100 From: "chris roberts" In his post about possible bonus tracks for the new version of Wizzard Brew, John Hinchcliffe requested: > the full Carlsberg Special. I remember asking about this once before but got no response. Is the reason that the front few bars of the original track (the bit before the seven seconds or so of silence) got lopped off on a previous CD release of this track because the silent bit upsets the track searching devices in the playing machine? If this is the case its such a shame because I always get a kick out of waiting for the blast with which the main theme reappears suddenly. I suspect that the earlier version's editing was just down to a lazy bit work by the production people (what ever you call them). Anyone know for sure? ********** Subject: Re: Carlsberg short measures - did you spill my pint? Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:11:09 +0000 From: Rob Caiger The full, complete version exists on 16-track tape, just discovered. Anything that appears will be fully remastered from the original source and master tapes. This hasn't been done before. Rob Caiger - Face The Music Online - www.ftmusic.com ********** Subject: Re: Carlsberg short measures - did you spill my pint? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:07:03 -0500 (CDT) From: POP04 (Joseph) If this is the difference then the Wizzard Singles CD I mentioned DOES have the full version because it has the harpsichord (?) intro and stops for a silent few seconds like you described. Then the main song starts. ********** Subject: Traveling Wilburys live in concert! Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:31:56 +0100 From: "Jeff Cooper" Well almost!! I thought some here may like to know Steve Gibbons group 'The Dylan Project' played the Traveling Wilburys track 'Dirty World' (from Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1) in their live set at Fairport Convention's Cropedy Festival earlier this month. Co-incidentally Steve's main group 'The Steve Gibbons Band' was born out of the remnants of a certain outfit called 'The Idle Race'!! Now there's an ELO connection!! Steve features in The Dylan Project along with his long-time guitarist P.J Wright and various members of Fairport Convention. The band play the most incredible set of Dylan tunes and are simply fantastic. Catch them live in the UK if you can. For photos of Steve in action at the festival (and other Cropredy moments) check out: http://www.folkcorp.co.uk/cropredy/welcome.htm For more info on The Dylan Project check out http://www.folkcorp.co.uk/woodworm/info2.htm ********** Subject: My Marge vocals Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:19:18 +0100 From: Jon Hinchliffe Who sang "My Marge"? I assume it was Bev Bevan doing Ben Crawley. ********** Subject: Re: My Marge vocals Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:26:21 -0500 From: Kevin A Kunreuther > Who sang "My Marge"? I assume it was Bev Bevan doing Ben Crawley. My Marge - lead vocal and funny voices - Jeff Lynne For the record, Roy Wood on Clarinet, Oboe and double bass & Jeff Lynne on piano. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas, TX ********** Subject: Bill Hunt on his nephew's new CD Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:04:31 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Bill Carter, who runs FTM/Canada, brought this item to the attention of the ELO list. I thought the Move list would be interested as well... Bill Hunt appears on all five songs of his nephew Miles Hunt's (ex Wonderstuff) "5 Songs" CD EP. Released on indie label Gig Records. Bill Hunt plays keyboards and organ on all five tracks. (Thanks for the info!) I did some searching on the Web... You can purchase the EP CD from the official Miles Hunt Web site at http://www.gigrecords.com/miles/ And CDNow at http://www.cdnow.com has clips of all five songs which will be on Miles' forthcoming release, "Flapping on the Pier." Bill Hunt, for those who don't know, played on the first Electric Light Orchestra album, and went on to help Roy form Wizzard. A true multi-instrumentalist, he played piano, organ, harpsichord, tuba, french horn, hunting horn, trumpet, flugel horn, tenor horn, bugle, euphonium and little glass trumpet. He and Roy worked on brass arrangements together. He's also the composer of "The Carlsberg Special," the song that introduced me to Wizzard. (That was one hell of an introduction!) ********** Subject: Keith Smart on Never Mind The Buzzcocks Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:55:36 +0100 From: "Jeff Cooper" Anyone catch Keith Smart on this UK TV comedy/quiz prog. on BBC2 last night!! He was in the round of 'line-ups' where the quiz team had to pick him out from 4 other old blokes who may have been in Wizzard! The TV and studio audience were treated to some nice clips of Wizzard from the 70s as a clue, even then, it wasn't too easy!! ********** Subject: Re: Keith Smart on Never Mind The Buzzcocks Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:39:41 EDT From: Coinfobur Keith Smart was easy to spot. He was the only one with a dimple on his chin!! ********** Subject: Re: Keith Smart on Never Mind The Buzzcocks Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:51:17 +0100 From: "chris roberts" Jeff Cooper asked: > Anyone catch Keith Smart on this UK TV comedy/quiz prog. on BBC2 last > night!! Sadly I missed it Jeff but can you tell me (and others who will be interested) who the guest team members were for this edition of the show, so that we can all look out for the re-run(s). ********** Subject: Re: Keith Smart on Never Mind The Buzzcocks Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:54:11 +0100 From: "Jeff Cooper" On Phil J's team: Katy Hill and some funny US geezer (possibly from Alien Ant Farm?)... The chaps that did the 'Skating In Heaven song'?? On Sean Hughes' team: Steve Strange Ben Vol-Pierriot-Perrier (or whatever his name is!). The Curiosity Killed The Cat chappie who know looks just a bit like Michael Stipe! ********** Subject: Feel Too Good At The Hop Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:29:02 -0800 From: MystriesNScandls (Brant) Can anyone tell me if it's all four guys (Roy, Jeff, Bev & Rick) doing the "At The Hop" style Ba Ba Ba Bas near the end of Feel Too Good? Always felt this added a nice touch, even though it is a little silly and out of place with the rest of the song. I bet they had a ball doing it! Brant Alexandria, Va ********** Subject: Re: Feel Too Good At The Hop Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:07:32 -0800 From: Bernardo Quiroga >Always felt this added a nice touch, even though it is a little silly >and out of place with the rest of the song. Wasn't it a different song called "The Duke Of Edinburgh's Lettuce"? At least, on the Move discography shown on the "Great Move: Best Of The Move" booklet, it appears listed as the last track of "Looking On", just after FTG. What's more, this short *song* is the last track on the "Great Move" compilation. Hope this helps, Bernie Quiroga Santiago - Chile ********** Subject: Re: Feel Too Good At The Hop Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:51:04 -0800 From: MystriesNScandls (Brant) Bernie wrote: > Wasn't it a different song called "The Duke Of Edinburgh's Lettuce"? Interesting... I have the "Movements" box set which lists no such track. It does, however, follow it up with "Lightning Never Strikes Twice" which, to my knowledge, is not on the "Looking On" LP. I wonder if The Duke of Edinburgh's Lettuce is the title of that weird jibberish over that old time sounding piano that follows. ********** Subject: Re: Feel Too Good At The Hop Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:46:03 -0800 From: Kevin A Kunreuther Ok, ok, ok. After the "ba, ba, ba", there's the dramatic voices singing, "THE DUKE OF EDINBURGH"S LETTUCE!". (Initially, to my American ears, for years, I initially though they were singing, "WOULD YOU BELIEVE WE'RE ALMOST FINISHED?". The old timey piano bit with Jeff playing an old geezer shouting out, "C'mon show us your knickers! Get it out! Aww, it's big, innit...like a great green swash." Because it repeats itself weirdly, before fading out, my guess was this was gonna' be another tribute-type-Beatles trick a la Sgt. Pepper's, with the track being played over and over on the inner groove, but for some reason this idea was abandoned either by the group,recording engineers, or record company. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas, TX ********** Subject: Re: Feel Too Good At The Hop Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:46:36 -0800 From: Edward Morris >I wonder if The Duke of Edinburgh's Lettuce is the title of that weird >jibberish over that old time sounding piano that follows At the end of the ba-ba-ba bit they do actually sing "Duke Of Edinburgh's Lettuce!! (crazy)", so that bit (it seems) is like an introduction to the other bit. Still wondering what a "Big Green Twash" is though. Must be a brummie thing! Kevin A Kunreuther wrote: >"C'mon show us your knickers!..." Are you sure that's not "lettuce" rather than "knickers"? The lettuce would be more likely to be green. I do like the idea of the knickers tho!! Ed. ********** Subject: Re: Feel Too Good At The Hop Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:24:01 -0800 From: Bernardo Quiroga I think that "The Duke Of Edinburgh's Lettuce" is everything that happens afteryou hear the last yell of 'feel too good' from "Feel Too Good". There's this 4 part harmony of "bah, bah, bah", and then, this big "the duke of Edinburgh's lettuce" yell, followed by the piano solo (Jeff?), with an old sounding narration. That's "The Duke Of Edinburgh's Lettuce", often included, but not accounted as a different song, on the subsequent releases of "Looking On" on CD (that includes "Movements"). It's often tagged at the end of FTG, but without track separation. Anyone who could shed any light on this? Rob? Martin? The UM team? Best regards, Bernie Quiroga ********** Subject: Re: Feel Too Good At The Hop Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:02:01 -0400 From: Bob Hughes Bernie wrote: >I think that "The Duke Of Edinburgh's Lettuce" is everything that >happens after you hear the last yell of 'feel too good' from "Feel Too >Good". You are correct. That's the track referred to whenever it's named. Originally it wasn't named, but was sort of a "hidden track" on the LP. Sort of like Her Majesty on the first pressing of Abbey Road or the "inner groove" on Sgt Pepper. ********** Subject: Re: Feel Too Good At The Hop Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:42:12 +0100 From: "Martin Kinch" Bernie said: >Wasn't it a different song called "The Duke Of Edinburgh's Lettuce"? >At least, on the Move discography shown on the "Great Move: Best Of >The Move" booklet, it appears listed as the last track of "Looking >On", just after FTG. And: > It's often tagged at the end of FTG, but without track separation. > > Anyone who could shed any light on this? Rob? Martin? The UM team? Well the "Great Move" CD discography is the only place I've seen it listed as a seperate track. And it's also a hidden track on the CD after Do Ya and before a USA radio ad for Do Ya. I've always just thought of it as the strange thing at the end of "Looking on" with no title, I've never thought of it as the end to "Feel too good". Maybe whoever wrote the discograpy has seen the tape boxes... Martin Visit me in Cherry Blossom Clinic at http://www.cherryblossomclinic.freeserve.co.uk ********** Subject: Re: Feel Too Good At The Hop Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:25:14 -0800 From: "chris roberts" Oh I am enjoying this highbrow debate!!!! :O) Ed and Kevin are obviously much more polite fellows than me because I always heard it as ........oh! now before I say this I don't want to offend anyone or get into any trouble with the ladies so please take this as a "RUDE WORD APPROACHING" warning!! Ok, so I always thought it was "C'mon, show us yer lettuce ! Get it out! Aww, it's big innit...like a great green twat". The last word 'twat' there may not cross the globe with the same meaning as over here in the UK where it's commonly used as an alternative name for female genitalia. Now maybe I'm revealing something about myself that a shrink would have a field day with but I've always pictured Jeff playing the part of London East End 'barrow-boy' hawking his green grocery wares to passers by in a 'cheery-cheeky-cockney' way (at least he's got the accent right). I consider myself lucky that I've never been in the proximity of a 'twat' looking like a lettuce! Phew! End of Useless Information #321 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]