[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #332 March 5, 2002 In this issue: * I Can See The...Whoa! * Sharon Arden/Osbourne Family on MTV * Topic Of The Week: "I was there..." * U.S. Releases & Promos * Opening acts announced * William Chalker's... * Need help with VU ticket swap * Kaizers Orchestra ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: I Can See The...Whoa! Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:11:05 -0800 From: Kevin A Kunreuther Just listening to Bev Bevan's Jukebox on Saga on net. He was relating about one of the Move's early performances on Ready Steady GO! Towards the end of their performance of I Can Hear The Grass Grow, a midget in a gangster suit jumped out from Bev's bass drum and brandished a machine towards the audience. As Bev remarked, "How surreal...!" Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: I Can See The...Whoa! Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:57:24 -0800 From: Rob Caiger That was Tony Secunda's idea. The band were all dressed in their gangster suits and for dramatic effect, Secunda hired a midget, dressed him in his own Move gangster suit and put him in Bev's bass drum. With a pre-arranged bass-drum pedal signal, the tiny chap burst through the bass drum skin and sprayed the audience with a machine gun, firing blanks. It worked well during a quick rehearsal, prior to the band playing the song, but once The Move started playing, a combination of too many free drinks earlier in the day and burst eardrums from Bev now giving the drum kit a good thrashing and kicking, the midget was in a terrible state by the time he fought his way out of the drum. Totally disorientated, with his head pounding with Bev's beats and with the room spinning, he tried to lift up the machine gun and promptly collapsed...... As did the rest of the band with laughter! As you can imagine, there's many more stories like this..... Best - Rob ********** Subject: Sharon Arden/Osbourne Family on MTV Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:26:21 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins For those who have a fascination with anything having to do with Don Arden* ... his daughter Sharon is now starring (along with her husband Ozzy) in a new MTV (U.S.) show called "The Osbournes." The series will run for 13 episodes, starting Tuesday, March 5, at 10:30pm. TV Guide calls it "the first-ever heavy-metal, reality-show, family sitcom...a kind of cross between The Simpsons and This Is Spinal Tap." Don't fret if you're not in the U.S. The MTV Web site has video, photos, a virtual tour of their home, and a whole "meet the family" section. http://www.mtv.com/onair/osbournes/ *Don Arden took over the Move's affairs in 1970 after Tony Secunda was fired. Arden went on to manage ELO, and remained Roy's manager through the mid-70's. Roy has been without a manager ever since. ********** Subject: Topic Of The Week: "I was there..." Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:45:48 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Nearly everyone who subscribes to this list writes to me asking, "What was it like to see the Move?" or "What was it like to see "Wizzard?" I wish I could tell them. You see, MOST people on this list have never seen the Move, or any of Roy's post-Move bands. So I thought it might be fun to ask those who were there to tell us about an amazing show you witnessed. - Tell us what it was like for you, sitting in the audience, when the band walked out on stage. - What year was it? What venue/city? - What was the one thing that stands out in your mind, after all these years? - What songs did they play, and which ones were your favorites? You get the idea. We want to live vicariously through you. :) Tell us what it was like. After all, you were there... ********** Subject: Re: Topic Of The Week: "I was there..." Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:35:10 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Hi Movers, I've been fortunate to see Roy live twice. I missed The Move when they toured here in the states in Oct. 69. Of course, "Shazam" had not been released yet and the only music I had by them at that time was a few things I had taped off the radio. Scott Muni's weekly "Things From England"show on WNEW-FM in NY would often feature the latest single by The Move. I'd always have a tape recorder ready. The singles were impossible to find unless you lived in the city and I lived in a small Jersey shore town.When "Shazam" came out in early 1970, I was bowled over by it. I remember thinking" This guy Roy Wood is going to tear the rock music world apart with his bare hands". But then nothing happened. The album didn't take off as I thought it should and no live appearances followed it. I'd play the album for freinds and they'd yawn and say, "Ahh, this is boring, got any Allman Bros?" As my rabid passion for Roy's music grew, I couldn't understand why other people didn't "get it". I think this was partly due to the Move never touring here again. I would have LOVED to have seen the "Looking On" era Move live. It wasn't until Wizzard toured here in Oct.'74 that I finally got to see the man live. I was a magical evening. Wizzard had been the opening act for some bigger name groups and had not been recieved well. I didn't attend any of those shows, just read about them. However, while in the NY area, they were booked into a small club in Parsippany NJ called "The Joint In The Woods". Just Wizzard, no other bands, and eveyone was there to see Roy. As the crowd cheered him on, Roy & band ripped thru just about the entire "Eddy..." album, most of the Wizzard singles and revived a couple of old Move songs for good measure. After the third encore and an ovation, a weary but obviously grateful Roy stepped up to the mic and said, "Thank you so much, you can't imagine how good it is to be recieved like this". Many years later a fellow fan in the UK sent me a note signed by Bill Hunt and Keith Smart, who he met in a pub, that said "Remember Parsippany!" . Truly a night to remember! Then in fall '95, I got a call from a Woody fan I know in NY state who said excitedly, "Roy's on the bill for a charity concert in NYC in Nov. at Irving Plaza!" Another amazing appearance. In amongst all the other names Cheap Trick, Gary Brooker, Justin Heyward, Annie Haslam, who organized the show and invited Roy to play), it seemed Roy was sure no one would know who he was. The Trick served as his backing band. They came on last and did a chilling version of John Lennon's " Cold Turkey", then started the opening riff for "Brontosaurus". Out came Roy to thunderous applause and proceeded to launch into a rousing "California Man". Afterward, Rick Nielsen walked up to the mic and said "Pretty cool, huh?" Then came " Ball Park Incident". Then Roy said "Here's one you're sure not to remember but sing along anyway" and did a spendid "Blackberry way" to which, of course, many song along with. "Fire Brigade" was next and followed by " Christmas Every". And it was over much too soon! Now I've got myself really phyched for the March 24 show that I'm attending. Hope to meet many list members there! Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Topic Of The Week: "I was there..." Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:35:48 -0800 From: "sandieathollyworld" Hmmmmm - Lynn you have to bear in mind that anyone who WAS there in the early days is pushing on a bit now!!!!!!! and really as they say "If you can remember the 60's - you weren't really there!" I wonder why? So what with the combi of these two factors do not expect very much in the way of reminiscences! BUT - I can tell you that ..... It was 1966 so from what I have gathered in recent years I guess the Move had only just formed and had (probably) not done any recording when they used to play at a large venue in Cambridge where we used to hang out. The venue was in the city centre and was on four floors, there were three dance-floors, the Ballroom, the Oak Room and the Blue Room, and two bars. There'd be six bands taking it in turn to play. Some of the other bands that played there were the Who, Merseybeats, Georgie Fame and the Blue Flames, Walker Bros, Hollies and the Small Faces (not all in one night!). The Move were always in the Blue Room and I guess they played there about three or four times in a period of a few weeks. It wasn't a "sit-down" do - they were a bit fuddy duddy! - I really can't remember much in the way of details of what they played or how but I do remember that their behaviour was not wild and neither was their dress code! Their hair was pretty short - more Mod style - as were their suits, quite conservative! I do know that I enjoyed their gigs and was drawn by the quiet Brummie who wasn't much taller than myself! Only vaguely remember the rest of the band members! The atmosphere was good and friendly and non-violent and the clothes and dancing were great! Roy is among the minority of 60's musicians that I would now travel to see - not that there are that many around much now! He and the Army are extremely accomplished musicians and are fun to watch too. They do wonders with Roy's songs and I cannot wait to hear the new numbers! I know that all you lot who are going to NY will not be disappointed - you'll want to go again! So book extra tickets NOW! Maybe someone will treat me for my birthday!!!! Sandie ********** Subject: Re: Topic Of The Week: "I was there..." Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:17:09 -0800 From: John Rock Thanks to Lynn and others here for recently bringing this list back to life. Having been in a lurk mode while being observant to the high hopes for a new series of releases Rob is working on. Regrettably unable to make the trip to NY to see Roy. Recently I have received mail in regards to "The Move Live At The Fillmore West" tribute (link below) and out of respect for the musicians and parties involved in the upcoming release I will not sell or trade copies. The original copy (7 inch reel to reel tape) with the handbills taped to the box I gave to Tony Secunda as a memento from those times. (He was aware that Bill Graham Presents also had a board tape of these shows in their possession) We traded stuff and he collected Fillmore posters and finding this piece of memorabilia very attractive but who knows what happened to it after his untimely death. I know he wouldn't mind me saying today that playing the Carl Wayne LP in his presence really irritated him, he would get this real sour look on his face and would call me a wanker when I would play "I Heard The Voice Of Jesus" it's truly one of my favorite vocal performances from Carl. This was quite a departure after his incredible singing on Shazam. I have played this LP with affection for over 30 years. A career retrospective on Carl Wayne would be great addition to The Move related family and their library of works. John http://home.pacbell.net/johnrock/Move.html ********** Subject: Re: Topic Of The Week: "I was there..." Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:59:47 -0800 From: "Lynnette Cannell" Well, I saw both the Move and Wizzard, but blowed if I can remember much about the sets - sorry! The Move, I saw around '67 at the Links Pavilion, Cromer, a really tiny, parish hall type of place. I'm fairly sure that it was the original line up - so may well have been earlier. I know I thought they were simply brilliant, the sound was exactly what I expected, very like the singles, with other numbers thrown in. Roy looked cute in those days, just beginning to grow his "musketeer" tash. I do remember that he stood on the left of the stage. Carl was handsome, but kept making some rude gesture that at such an innocent age I simply didnt understand! What I do remember is that whilst waiting at a ridiculously early hour (well, I was keen!) for the band, someone told my friend and I that they were all sitting outside the stage door, having a bevy - well, didnt need telling twice, even at that tender age and hotfooted it around there. They were all really nice, except again I dont remember much - too star struck! I do remember Carl kept making comments about the girls to Roy - along the lines of "two backs" - I have to admit that at this time I was not too impressed with Carl! Although about a year later, a friend and myself decided to take up the fan club secretary's invite to "pop in whenever you are in London" and happened to pick a day when the band were there - they were all niceness itself, to two soppy teenagers, and I had to change my mind about Carl, who was lovely. Roy was funny, Rick had just joined and was chatty and friendly, as was Bev - in the dim and distant recesses of my mind I remember we were allowed to go and watch whilst some photos were taken in a nearby alley. How I wish I'd thought at the time to ask for one with them! I've kicked myself many times since. A few years later and my brother who was at Loughborough uni rang me to ask if I still liked that Roy Wood bloke, and if so, his new band Wizzard were doing a gig in one of the uni's bars - would I like to come? Well, what could I say? How quickly can a person say YES!!! To add to the occasion, my brother was on the social committee and took me into the bar backstage, where no students went, but the band did! We had quite a long chat with them, over a few drinks, but again, cannot remember much, except a discussion along the lines of where I lived - Rick managed to work out Northampton was south of Rugby - I geuss none of them knew much geography! The whole band were in the bar, but again, I spoke mostly to Roy and Rick, and Bill Hunt. In those days I wore enormous high heels, and Roy seemed so tiny, Im pretty sure I towered above him. The set was played in a small alcove to the side of the bar - how they all squeezed in, I just dont know! I do remember that the set was rather long-winded, there were more gaps than songs, and they couldnt move much. Im pretty sure Roy was decked out in his tartan trews and triangle coat, with his face painted. I do know that the students there didnt seem as impressed as I thought they ought to be, but as I was rather older than them (well, by all of four years!) I considered my tastes more sophisticated...... All those times, and I never once asked for an autograph, even, let alone a photo! (Just didnt seem cool in those days!) Wish I could remember more - but at my advanced age, can only put it down to incipient alzheimers'!! ********** Subject: Re: Topic Of The Week: "I was there..." Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:35:05 -0800 From: "Dave Woodier" July '73 just after SMBJ was heading down the charts, I saw Wizzard at the Free Trade Hall in Manchester. I still have the ticket, cost 50p (around 90 cents?). Unfortunately my seat was way back and high. Most of my memories were around long guitar or drum or sax breaks which I think were a bit monotonous! Jive and Ball Park were definately played along with tracks from Brew but that is all I remember. I nearly got to see the Helicopters in Winsford Cheshire around 1980, but had car problems and didn't make it. Next time was the BIG Band at the NEC in'92 (think it was their first gig) - they were brilliant and blew ELO II off the stage. Since then I have probably seen them on average of 3 times a year and have never been dissapointed. Sound, musical ability, singing are all so brilliant. If you had never heard the originals, you wouln't be able to tell what era they were from, and the unreleased tracks (Boadicea/House of Love) fit in perfectly. Roy does not say a lot, I guess still that shyness but he certainly knows how to play! You guys will love it in NY. I will be going to Bilston on 13th, so hoping it will be a 'different' night! Highlights to watch out for (if not the whole show) Roy Evans drum solo on Roys Revenge, FireBrigade and Ball park with the Brontosaurus lead riff, and of course seeing Roy! One special moment for me (other than meeting Roy a number of times) was at a Christmas concert in Birmingham a few years ago, he sang Beautiful Daughter, just Roy on guitar, twin on keyboard and the then bass player. Set my hairs a tinglin' ********** Subject: Re: Topic Of The Week: "I was there..." Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:24:39 -0800 From: Shawn Rush I saw Roy Wood Wizzard in Toronto Canada around 1975 ish. It was at a very small venue at Ryerson College What I remember is that the sound system was terrible with lots of interference. Also, the venue was almost empty. There was not many people there that night. I sat in the front row center. I also remember Roy wearing matching plaid pants that matched his bag-pipes. He played 'Buffalo Station' if my memory serves me well. He cut the venue short after about 30 mins. because of the bad sound system. He promised the audience he'd come back to play for us in Toronto for free next time. Sadly he never came back. ********** Subject: U.S. Releases & Promos Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:17:45 -0800 From: "Dave Woodier" Visited a Record and CD fair over the weekend, picked up promos of the ELO First Light CD and also the Wombles collaboration. I also managed to get some vinyl. First off the Nazz - Retrospective Foresight LP with the Move performing Open My Eyes. Can anyone confirm if this version has appeared elsewhere legitimately? Also US issues of Brontosaurus (A&M - Stereo/mono) and Ball Park/Carlsberg Special on UA - credited to Roy Wood's Wizzard. I wasn't aware that Ball Park had a stateside release? Both of these are promo's. Can anyone confirm which of Roy's 45's were actually released in the US? ********** Subject: Opening acts announced Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:26:22 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins The Village Underground has just confirmed the opening acts for all four of Roy's shows: Thu Mar 21: Johnny Society Fri Mar 22: Blue Green Sat Mar 23: The Star Spangles Sun Mar 24: The Flow ********** Subject: Re: Opening acts announced Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:01:36 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" >Thu Mar 21: Johnny Society >Fri Mar 22: Blue Green >Sat Mar 23: The Star Spangles >Sun Mar 24: The Flow Are these local NYC acts? Got my ticket for the Sun. nite show in the mail yesterday. I'm in the "Army" now! Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: William Chalker's... Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:48:30 -0800 From: "stephen mulcahy" chalker's - this was done by a birmingham area band called the lemon tree. some of its members went on to bigger things - mike hopkins went on to join the idle race in its last days, and i think that wizzard drummer charlie grima also appeared in this band. this group recorded a pair of singles that i know of, and possibly more... i always thought william chalker's time machine would be what you would get if you crossed the move with the who- it really sounds like the missing link between the two... ********** Subject: Re: William Chalker's... Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:49:26 -0800 From: Greg Weatherby On 16 Feb 2002 at 12:48, stephen mulcahy wrote: >mike hopkins went on to join the idle race in its last days, and i >think that wizzard drummer charlie grima also appeared in this band. errrrm, actually, it was the other drummer, Keith Smart, who was in TLT. His career was spent in bands with offputting names other than TLT and Wizzard, how about Balls, The Uglies, and Mongrel. ********** Subject: Need help with VU ticket swap Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:34:14 -0800 From: John DeSilva Based on what Lynn posted earlier today, it appears that tickets for the Friday night show may be sold out before Thursday March 21 (my arrival date). If any of you are going to be in the Greenwich Village area in the next week or so and would be willing to go to the Village Underground box office to trade my extra Thursday night ticket in for a Friday night one, please e-mail me off list. I'll be forever in your debt ... Thanks, JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Kaizers Orchestra Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:18:45 -0800 From: "Ole J. Rogeberg" If this is straying too much from the list's topic, I hope the moderator will remove this posting before it goes out, but since it is through this list that I learned about bands such as Shazam, I thought the following might be of interest: It concerns a new band from Norway that make music that captures me in the same way that some of Roy Woods music does. A sort of wild mix of eclectic musical elements, weird combinations of instruments, and strong melodies. Their influences are different from Roy's, but in my opinion their spirit is similar. The band is called Kaizers Orchestra, and since they sing in norwegian as well as being quite new they're completely unknown outside of the country. However, they have made mp3s of three of their songs available in full over the net, so if anyone is interested, they can download these from http://www.kaizers.no/admin/lydfiler/dekkbord.mp3 http://www.kaizers.no/admin/lydfiler/kontroll.mp3 http://www.kaizers.no/admin/lydfiler/170.mp3 Especially the first of these is recommended. Something to listen to while waiting for more from Roy? (BTW: The recent ELO 2-CD special was really cool, and the liner notes mentioned that a similar treatment was being prepared for the other Roy albums of this period. Any more info on this? I don't think I'm alone in being especially curious about anything extra that might show up from the "Boulder" sessions.) Sincerely, Ole J. Rogeberg End of Useless Information #332 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. 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