[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #342 April 16, 2002 In this issue: * Message From The Country UK release date * 2002 Move List Archives * Remastered ELO 2 * Song Of The Week (week of 4/15): "Beautiful Daughter" * Tell us the news about yourself... * April 16, 1972... * The Hollies on tour in the USA (cont.) * Hollies tour dates (incl. USA) ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Message From The Country UK release date Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:24:09 -0700 From: "Simon Ladd" Has a U.K. release date for the MFTC re-master been firmed up yet? Simon W. Ladd Enfield United Kingdom ********** Subject: Re: Message From The Country UK release date Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:00:15 -0700 From: Rob Caiger > Has a U.K. release date for the MFTC re-master been firmed up yet? Yes it was. With typical timing last Wednesday, I managed to recover a 16-track Philips Studios tape which could just be the long-lost California Man multitrack. There appears to other tracks on there, including one titled "Look Out Baby, There's A Plane A' Comin'". We go into Abbey Road on Monday to see what it reveals...... Best - Rob ********** Subject: Re: Message From The Country UK release date Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:36:23 -0700 From: John DeSilva Rob Caiger wrote: >There appears to other tracks on there, including one titled "Look >Out Baby, There's A Plane A' Comin'". Well, that settles the age old argument on whether it was "Planet coming" or "Plane A' Comin'" ... ;-) Rob, as always we're on needles and pins awaiting word on your latest discoveries - thanks again!! JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: 2002 Move List Archives Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:39:56 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins The Move List website now has "Useless Information" digest archives for all of 2002. http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html Scroll to the bottom of the page to find a link to the Archives section. As time allows, I'll add to the archives. 2001 is next. ********** Subject: Remastered ELO 2 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 02:19:58 -0700 From: "Hoskins, Phil G" Rob said on the Move list regarding the remastered ELO2: >......plus we have three tracks ELO recorded with Marc Bolan >(including one previously unreleased Jeff Lynne track from 1973) - >and more. A real treat. In September this year it is the 25th anniversary of Marc Bolan's tragic death - what a fitting tribute it would be to release one of the Marc Bolan/ELO tracks as a single! With kind regards PHIL ********** Subject: Song Of The Week: "Beautiful Daughter" Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:35:47 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Song Of The Week - April 15, 2002 "Beautiful Daughter" From the album "Shazam" Ideas for discussion: Songwriting/lyrics Vocals Live performance Arrangement & instrumentation Overall production What were your thoughts the first time you heard it? How has it held up over the years? Is it the Move's most "beautiful" song? Strengths/weaknesses *********************** "Beautiful Daughter" (R. Wood) (Do you like reggae? It's my music.) There we go, running before we can walk again Can you imagine the hours I keep Learning to sleep again, see her face again Lost the world, fruits of the morning are weak and grey Carry the weight of the heart in a storm Suffer the dawn today, today CHORUS: Your beautiful daughter made me younger yesterday Beautiful daughter, now the darkness hides the tears that soak The pillow where she lay Wide awake, lying in wait for the mood to break Drinking the lake of the dreams that we share Wanting you there today, today CHORUS (repeat) Can you believe she just dropped in to say goodbye, say goodbye I'm crying, beautiful daughter give me more, open the door Pools in her eyes that are bright and deep Can you imagine the hours I keep Learning to sleep again, again CHORUS (repeat) CHORUS (repeat) Beautiful daughter give me more, open the door Beautiful daughter give me more, open the door (c)1970 ********** Subject: Song Of The Week: "Beautiful Daughter" Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:48:08 -0700 From: "Dave Woodier" One of my favourites of Roy's 'less popular' songs. Lyrics are top notch, Roy is too underrated for his lyrics 'Drinking the lake of the dreams that we share' - brilliant. The tune is 'haunting' and makes the hairs on my back tingle. Had the pleasure of hearing Roy sing this a couple of years ago accompanied by bass, keyboard and himself on guitar. It was a superb contrast from the rip roaring Army sound. I believe this is a particular favourite of Paul Weller's. Now what about a Woody tribute Album - Rob? Paul doing this for starters. What could we call it? Cover Me In Wood? ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Beautiful Daughter" Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:49:25 -0700 From: John DeSilva This is my favorite of the Move's "quiet songs" (to quote Bev). Carl's vocal on this song is exquisite, and the dynamics of the song (especially the acoustic guitar so up front in the mix, giving it a ringing quality similar to "Bluebird" by Buffalo Springfield) add a kind of dramatic quality enhanced by the string quartet. Add in some of Roy's most evocative, romantic lyrics, and you've got a classic Move track that not only stands alone, but also provides a great transition from the "heavy" rock of "Hello Suzie", to the "rock opera" of "Cherry Blossom Clinic Revisited" on the album. Is there a better side one of an album in rock than side one of 'Shazam'? If there are, it's a short list ... "Beautiful Daughter" is one reason why. JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:50:44 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins With all the new people on the Move list (welcome!) I thought I'd post an "introduction" query to give you a little nudge to introduce yourselves. Don't be shy, and don't feel bad if you only own one Move album and you've never heard of Helicopters. This is a great place to learn about some incredible musicians and their music. While there are some Move "experts" on the list, most members are non-experts who have the same questions you do. This questionnaire is for everyone on the list, but I'd especially like to hear from those who haven't introduced themselves yet. Here are some topic suggestions to get you started: [For the purposes of this questionnaire, "Move related" = Roy Wood, Wizzard, Carl Wayne, Trevor Burton, Bev Bevan, Ace Kefford, Rick Price, Jeff Lynne (Move & No Answer), etc. i.e. Any project connected with any member of The Move.] Your name, age, location, occupation. How long have you been a Move and/or Roy Wood fan? What was your first Move related experience? Tell us about your top 5 favorite Move related tracks. What's your favorite Move related album, and why? What topics would you like to see discussed on this list? If you've seen the Move or any member of the Move in concert, tell us about that show. Tell us about an amusing or interesting situation that has happened as a result of you being a Move/Roy Wood fan. Who are some of your other favorite artists/bands? Which Move related song do you wish one of your favorite bands would cover? What is the one burning question that you have never had answered in relation to Move/Roy Wood history or music? Are you having trouble finding any Move related music on CD? ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:17:11 -0700 From: "Robert Sutliff" Bobby Sutliff age - 45 location - Columbus Ohio occupation - musician how long a fan - Since I bought Shazam around 1971 5 favorite Move related tracks: I Can Hear The Grass Grow Omnibus The Last Thing On My Mind Message From The Country Hello Susie Favorite Move album: Shazam Fave other Bands: Beatles, Byrds, ELO, XTC, Kinks etc... >What is the one burning question that you have never had answered >in relation to Move/Roy Wood history or music? I can tell the difference vocally between Roy, Carl, Bev, Trevor, Rick and Jeff, so what if anything did Ace Kefford sing? ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:59:38 -0700 From: John DeSilva "Robert Sutliff" wrote: > I can tell the difference vocally between Roy, Carl, Bev, Trevor, > Rick and Jeff, so what if anything did Ace Kefford sing? Bobby: I know for sure that Ace sang lead on "Yellow Rainbow", the lead-off track on the first album. He sings the verses, and Roy takes the lead on the chorus. He is definitely a background vocalist on most all of the songs from '66 - April '68 where there are background vocals. He may also be singing backup with Roy, Carl, and Trevor on the Jimi Hendrix Experience's "You Got Me Floating (Floatin'?)" - does anybody know specifically which members of the Move back Jimi up on that one? JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:40:02 -0700 From: John DeSilva > Your name, age, location, occupation. John DeSilva, 42, San Jose, CA (50 miles south of San Francisco), Information Technology Manager (I fix computers and networks). > How long have you been a Move and/or Roy Wood fan? Since 1973. > What was your first Move related experience? I heard 'Shazam' being played at Licorice Pizza, a record store in Southern California in 1973, and bought it on the spot. > Tell us about your top 5 favorite Move related tracks. In no particular order - I Can Hear The Grass Grow, Cherry Blossom Clinic Revisited, The Minister, Fire Brigade, Looking On. > What's your favorite Move related album, and why? 'Shazam' - it's my first exposure to the Move's music, and the arrangements and production values are incredible throughout. I also feel that it contains Carl's best vocal performances in the Move, and the tension between Roy's rock 'n' roll sensibilities and Carl's pure pop leanings were exploited to perfection on this album (although it must have been miserable in the studio during this time). > What topics would you like to see discussed on this list? All things Move and Woody, as it's been for the last 4 years that I've been a member. > If you've seen the Move or any member of the Move in concert, tell us > about that show. Check out on this list my review of Roy's shows in New York last month - in a nutshell "bloody brilliant!" > Tell us about an amusing or interesting situation that has happened > as a result of you being a Move/Roy Wood fan. Two epochal events have happened to me in the last 11 months as a result of being a fan and a member of this list - getting to see ELO live last year in LA, and finally seeing Woody live in NYC last month. As great as the music was at both those events, the lasting memories will be finally meeting the people I've known through this list for years in person. We had some great times, eh? I'm looking forward to more great times in the future as well (Woody, play the west coast!!!). > Who are some of your other favorite artists/bands? Beatles, ELO, Love, Doors, Guess Who, Badfinger, Small Faces, Pretty Things, King Crimson, Buffalo Springfield, XTC, Big Star, Elvis Costello with and without the Attractions, Patto ... The list could go on and on ... > Which Move related song do you wish one of your favorite bands > would cover? I'd love to hear King Crimson do "Looking On", and I wonder how Elvis Costello would do "Whisper In The Night" ... > What is the one burning question that you have never had answered > in relation to Move/Roy Wood history or music? It WAS "planet comin'" vs. "plane a'comin'" (but I guess we all knew deep down inside it was the latter, right? ;-D ). Now it's probably this: When will the rest of Woody's albums be released on CD (specifically "SuperActive Wizzo" and "On The Road Again")? And I know Rob has been working on this for a long time - I'm just hoping that his work will come to fruition sometime this year ... > Are you having trouble finding any Move related music on CD? Thanks to Lynn, Rob, and the people of this list, not at all!! JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:56:32 -0700 From: FifthFlRec >Your name, age, location, occupation. Ray Fister. 45. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Audio engineer. >How long have you been a Move and/or Roy Wood fan? I was first turned on to the Move in 1974 by a good friend of mine. He intro'd me with the live at the Markee Club bootleg, then split ends. Also listened to the Idle Race. And then Boulders. Then the Flo & Eddie "By the Fireside" radio show tape...then I saw ELO at Kent State University during the Face the Music tour. That was it for me!! >Tell us about your top 5 favorite Move related tracks. Message from the Country, Chinatown, Cherry Blossom Clinic Revisited, Tonight, Do Ya. >What's your favorite Move related album, and why? Message from the Country....a true rock and roll work of art!! >What topics would you like to see discussed on this list? Unreleased material. >If you've seen the Move or any member of the Move in concert, tell us >about that show. I've seen Jeff Lynne 3 times with ELO. Each show FANTASTIC! As an odd side note, I played for Louis Clark's wedding (in Ohio)!!! A true gentlemen! >Tell us about an amusing or interesting situation that has happened >as a result of you being a Move/Roy Wood fan. Above. >Who are some of your other favorite artists/bands? Beatles, ELO, Coldplay, Jeff Buckley, Pretenders, Seven Nations, Raspberries. >Which Move related song do you wish one of your favorite bands would >cover? Chinatown!! >What is the one burning question that you have never had answered in >relation to Move/Roy Wood history or music? Did he ever want to work with Jeff Lynne again? >Are you having trouble finding any Move related music on CD? Most average record stores don't have a clue....but I have a good collection. Good idea Lynn!! Thanx. ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:35:02 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Hi Ray, You asked if Roy would ever work with Jeff again. You may not know that they did settle their differences. Interestingly enough, they collaborated on some songs back in the early 90's but they remain unreleased. I have heard one of them called "Me & You", which is familiar to some folks on this list. The chorus is very remniscent of The Beatles' "Hold Me Tight". If a box set of Roy's work ever comes out (long overdue!) perhaps it will include rarities and oddities such as these tracks (are you listening Rob?). This is an exciting time for us long time fans with these upcoming reissues AND (finally) the Move's legendary Filmore West show. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: April 16, 1972... Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:39:48 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Today in History: "In 1972, the Electric Light Orchestra played its first live show." So today, the 30-year anniversary of ELO's very first live performance, I thought I'd post this 1972 Melody Maker concert review. Roy remembers their first gig being at Barbarellas, so this could well be it. Enjoy! Lynn ---- "Let There Be Light" Melody Maker May 6, 1972 Roy Hollingworth reports on the first major British appearance of the Electric Light Orchestra ================================================== Barbarellas, Birmingham, Sunday: "The next thing," Brummied an outrageously dressed Roy Wood, "will be an item written by composer J. L. Lewis." Three cellists struck, loud as thunder, with some dangerous rock 'n' roll riffs. Woodsie honked a baritone sax as tall as himself, and very honky. Cavalier Jeff Lynne slashed some very piercing guitar, and wailed into a mike. A chap called William Hunt lay on his back, and somehow, rather incredibly played piano. Oh, there was bass guitar, too, and a gipsy violin topping the wall of noise. This was Electric Light Orchestra playing "Great Balls Of Fire," and you've never heard or seen anything like it in your life, babies. Barbarellas is situated outside of the city centre in the midst of some scrubby looking back-street buildings. It sticks out, all red, and glowing. It's the sort of place that puts on Jack Jones, or maybe Neil Reid, or somebody who sings Frank Banana, and juggles with rabbits. But tonight it's gone underground. Sunday nights is for freaks. Sat outside in a mini-van, eating fish and chips, is Bill Hunt, ELO's French horn player, and pianist extraordinaire. Waiting for his lady to arrive. The other lads have been attempting to rehearse all afternoon, but a lot of things went wrong, and they've retired. Maybe they've gone round to have a couple of drinks at Bev Bevan's place. The club's interior is totally lit in ultra-red light. There's no escape from it, not even round the toilets. Everyone in the place takes on a supine appearance. It's bit, very modern, like some sort of cosmic city. Suddenly you're not in Birmingham. It's like some shot from 2001, and on stage four unmanned cellos stand upright, miked, and waiting. Woodsie arrived in a woolly cap smiling shyly through his beard. He bought about five drinks in as many minutes. "Tell you the truth...I'm delivering bricks. Me butterflies are dancing with elephants. Do you want a drink? "Trouble with playing in yer 'ome town, everyone you bloody well know's here. They say Ace Kefford and Charlie Wayne are comin' along. I mean it's great, all these people you've known fer ages. But, like they'll be hangin' on to every note. Wish I was playin' some island in the middle of the Atlantic right now." It was after 11 when the roadie turned the amps on. Former Move bassist Rick Price was walking about with a bird. Most people were settling, sat in corners, packing about the front of the stage. Cellists Hugh McDowall, Michael Edwards and Andrew Craig walk out and get their bows sharpened. Lynne appears in a majestic gown, like some Knight of the Order, his hair bubbled, and his Cavalier beard combed. Hunt sports a shirt that dazzles. Slim, delicate looking violinst Wilfrid Gibson adjusts his chin. Even the tune-up is a gas, especially when you hear cello through a billion watts. And then Wood appears. Crazy! He looks fantastic. He's got a wig on of pure old-age silver, long and straight. His beard is sprayed silver, and somewhere in the middle of all this Father of Time job is a pair of small, black pebble-style sun-glasses. Snakey. His gown is red and black, and he's chewing gum. He adopts cello, and a set of headphones. Lynne, on guitar, fronts the bizarre ensemble, there's a moment's tension, and then the whole thing winds up, and bursts with "10538 Overture." Lynne's magnificent monster. Christ, what a noise. It's a rocker. It's Sgt. Pepper live, on stage. The cellos are so heavy dipping around the rhythm, sawing out moodies. Somewhere out the back Bevan is crashing away some strange drum patterns. You've never seen anything like it in your life. Wood plays, head down, bowing like fury, chewing. Sometimes the cellos get really nasty. Everything is so unusual, so new you can't take your eyes off it. You're trying to see where some noise comes from. Oh yeah, that's violin, and that's electric French horn laughing deeply at the back. It's obviously a little untogether in places, because Wood's shouting out orders to somebody, but it is in Lynne's "Queen Of The Hours," another beautiful musical thing from the lad. Yes it works, it actually works, and what's more it's everything you ever imagined it to be. You bear in your mind that it's early days, you bear in your mind that it's going through horrible teething problems. You just imagine what it's going to sound like in two or three months. Wood, apologizing for his wig, which had shifted sideways moved onto bass for "Jeff's Boogie #1," racey and packy. Lynne's voice, like Wood's, is ideal for rock 'n' roll. It's high, quickly delivered, rhythmic. Now the cellists are really zumping away, arms going like bee's wings in an attempt to keep with the fury of electricity. What a gas. "1st Movement" saw Woodsie on lead guitar, displaying delicate classical fingering. Sat high on a stool, he delivered a new song, "Elaine." "If there's any echo available, roadies, let's have it, me throat's coppin' out." And Wood sings a sad song, clear, high. The audience, maybe a little slow with their reactions to start with, give good cheer. Roy replies with his short, nervy "ta." Then it's rock 'n' roll again, and yes, it's "Great Balls Of Fire" for full orchestra. That's very weird. There's a cello break that's so far removed from the score that you think it's all fallen down, but no, they sort of swing round, catch the number up its backside and kick it right out again. Lynne dancing away, Wood honking the baritone. It's somehow surreal. "Ta," said Woodsie. "Ta." ********** Subject: Re: The Hollies on tour in the USA Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:25:30 -0700 From: "chris roberts" Rick wrote: > I just got a flyer from South Shore Music Circus, in Cohasset MA. > http://www.musiccircus.com/ > > The Hollies are appearing on August 3rd. As far as I know, this is > the first time that they have toured the US since the 80s. And this > time around, Carl Wayne will be the lead singer! Tickets are already > on sale 781-383-1400 or http://www.ticketmaster.com. So I thought I might re-post this review of the Hollies from about this time last year by way of encouragement for those thinking about giving the show a go: Hello Gang, I just thought I'd drop a line to briefly report on the Hollies gig in Cardiff last night. Carl took centre stage and lead a very impressive performance where professionalism and attention to detail were the orders of the day. I'd never seen Carl live perform before and (still) what a voice! He made continual references to The Move and reprised a familiar number either side the interval of a lengthy show that received a standing ovation at its conclusion. Flowers In The Rain drew a ripple of applause upon recognition of its first few bars and as the second half of the show neared its end Blackberry Way was delivered with a polished three part harmony and obligatory audience sing along. These obvious favourites aside, for me Carl's best numbers were All I Need Is The Air That I Breath and the show closing He Ain't Heavy complete with hitherto unexpected Wayne harmonica talents. Carl also 'tinkered the ivories' on a less familiar number which was a similar surprise. I summary, an excellent evening which I had only decided to give a go out of curiosity - The Hollies being a bit too middle of the road for me I thought. If anyone is of a similar mind to perhaps give this one a miss, I would like to persuade you otherwise. Top evening. Chris ********** Subject: Hollies tour dates (incl. USA) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:36:39 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins For those interested in seeing Carl with the Hollies, the Hollies website has the full 2002 tour schedule, including a handful of just announced USA dates: http://www.hollies.co.uk/html/Tour%202002.html Lots of UK dates, plus some Germany shows, and one in Holland. Looking forward to reading your reviews. (Thank for re-posting yours, Chris. I remember it. :) End of Useless Information #342 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]