[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #344 April 21, 2002 In this issue: * Roy on the cover of 20th Century Guitar * New release: Art School Dancing * Roy in NYC / The Move * Ace! * Ace Kefford Stand * Tell us the news about yourself... (cont.) ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Roy on the cover of 20th Century Guitar Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:48:30 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins There's an excellent interview with Roy in the April issue of 20th Century Guitar. The interview is recent (March/April) so it's got lots of current info direct from Roy. As a courtesy to 20th Century Guitar, I won't be posting the interview to the Move List until the next issue goes on sale. This is a U.S. publication - Border's and Tower Records carry it, to name just a couple places you'll be able to find it. Perhaps those who have access to it can pick up an extra for someone overseas (just a thought...) The May issue will feature a 1-page review of the Village Underground shows, including photos. ********** Subject: New release: Art School Dancing Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:24:40 -0700 From: AllyGourlay Thought I'd let you all know about an excellent new release which is due out this Monday (22nd) called "Art School Dancing" on EMI Harvest. It's a showcase of the Harvest label and features 3 Roy tracks:- The Move "The Minister", The Electric Light Orchestra "Look At Me Now" and Wizzard "The Carlsberg Special (Piano's Demolished Phone 021 373 4472). Having read the musical tastes of most of the list then the wider aspects of this release will appeal to most of us. The full track listing is:- Kevin Ayers "Singing A Song In The Morning" Syd Barrett "Love You" Barclay James Harvest "Taking Some Time On" Edgar Broughton Band "American Boy Soldier" Third Ear Band "Druid One" Deep Purple "Shield" Pete Brown & His Battered Ornaments "Dark Lady" The Move "The Minister" Babe Ruth "King Kong" Battered Ornaments "Twisted Track" Forest "A Glade Somewhere" Shirley & Dolly Collins "God Dog" The Electric Light Orchestra "Look At Me Now" Spontaneous Combustion "And Now For Something Completely Different - Sabre Dance" Ron Geesin & Roger Waters "Our Song" Wizzard "The Carlsberg Special (Piano's Demolished Phone 021 373 4472) Pete Brown & Piblokto "Things May Come And Things May Go But The Art School Dance Goes On Forever" I'm sure you'll agree it's a belter of a collection and the compilers deliberately chose a Jeff track from The Move as Roy was always the chief songwriter, a Roy track from ELO as Jeff was always the mainstay of ELO and the one who took them to greatness, and a Bill Hunt track for the Wizzard track. Legendary poet and Harvest act Pete Brown had this to say about the three tracks:- The Minister " I wonder if he's related to Cream's Politician. Still some psychedelia in the riff repetition" Look At Me Now "Somewhat Eleanor Rigby with folkish ideas. Stealing Denny Laine's thunder" Carlsberg Special "A tribute to psychedelic alcohol? This has everything, rock'n'roll saxophones, baroque harpsichord, phased bass, duelling banjo's - yeah!" Not sure I hear any banjos lol, but it's a great release and based around the 1984 Harvest album "Art School Dancing Vol 1" to celebrate the label's then 15th birthday - and it got me hooked on the Harvest label - I now have a large Harvest collection. In fact, my weekly radio programme is called "Art School Dancing" - I wonder if that's why they sent me a copy. Go out and get it now!!!!!!!!!!! Ally ********** Subject: Roy in NYC / The Move Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:11:06 -0700 From: David Friedman I wanted to tell you what a blast it was to see Roy when he was in NYC in March. It was the show of a lifetime. My wife and I also met some of the nicest people, who were more than willing to share their stories about somebody and something they cherish so much. This was especially enriching because I'm 29 and have been a Move fan for just 9 months. Upon hearing their material for the first time, I asked myself, "What have you been doing with your life for the past 28 years?" I work in the music business, so I usually expect anything other than the behavior Roy demonstrated. He was SO KIND and down to earth on a night when he was ill (Saturday, March 23). But he didn't let it detract from the show in any way. He was a consumate professional. Afterwards, I met a few of the players, all of whom were very nice, and I told them my story of how I'd come to learn about Roy and The Move. I knew of their name through the ELO connection, but no one had turned me on to them, which in retrospect is very strange. I purchased the Nuggets II box set on Rhino in August 2001 (2 weeks before the Sept. 11 tragedy). From the moment I heard the two in the box set, I knew that I had to learn more. Eventually, I picked up a greatest hits compilation that contained more hits along with "Beautiful Daughter" and some other great compositions. To be honest, the music got me through September 11th for I lived in New York at the time and it was the only thing that could take my mind off this very sad situation. That's how I discovered the Move and Roy Wood. I've searched far and wide for Move material. Thankfully, while I was in New York, my searches yielded the first 3 albums in the form of the "Movements" set. A honeymoon in Canada was the only way I found a package containing their '66-'70 hits mixed with the EMI singles...its also the only CD package I've seen containing "Do Ya". But being a completist, I have searched far and wide for the original 3 albums reissued on CD complete with original graphics, liner notes, etc, with no success. I'm familiar with sad stories about control and ownership of masters; and the lack of mass distribution these problems have cause for the Move are frustrating. When you're an American fan like me who wasn't alive during late 60's-early 70s but is fortunate enough to know about something so great, you want to know more and make sure that everyone else knows about it too! I work for a BMG/Bertelsmann company in the US and would be happy to do any detective work I can regarding reissues. For continuities sake, I could understand if the group wanted to put everything out through EMI. Either way, it would be nice if the music, original graphics, and histories behind their music receive their due through a proper and extensive reissue program. And thank you again for a magical show that I'll never forget. DAVID FRIEDMAN ********** Subject: Re: Roy in NYC / The Move Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:05:20 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Hi David, Welcome to the list. I was at the Sunday show and it too was magical. There's talk of another string of dates in NYC in 6 months. I really hope it happens! Regarding helping out with reissuing Roy's stuff, you should contact Rob Caiger of Face The Music. He posts regularly on this list. Perhaps you could help persuade Warners to reissue Roy's US only 1979 solo LP "On The Road Again" on CD. They have some sort of arrangement with Rhino Records for reissuing more obscure stuff. Also, there's an indie label called Collector's Choice that specializes in obtaining lisencing for reissuing unusual music. There's a good article about them in the current issue of Goldmine. They've recently put out some Warners material I never thought would appear on CD. The guy who runs the label says if he gets enough letters on an artist he'll put out their stuff. So let's start writing! Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Ace! Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:03:23 -0700 From: "Bob Coulter" It sounds to my ears like Ace also sings lead on "Vote For Me". Bob Coulter, Mississauga, Ont. PS: Beware! A review of Roy's NYC shows is brewing in my head. ********** Subject: Ace Kefford Stand Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:01:56 -0700 From: Greg Weatherby A few people have wondered what the Ace Kefford Stand's single sounds like. Well, wonder no more. I have uploaded "Gravy Booby Jamm" to my server, and you can download it, if you would like. I recorded at a lower bit rate so that the file size is a bit smaller. It's about 3:23 long, so I wanted to keep the file size small. Now, my opinion of the song? It's not very good, sounds more like Bedlam, the group that they sort of morphed into, rather than the Move. A very heavy sound, not my cuppa to be honest. I know the Ball brothers, Dave and Dennis, are involved, and Cozy Powell is there as well. Check it out and report back in the morning! http://www.newwavesales.com/Gravy.mp3 ********** Subject: Re: Ace Kefford Stand Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:38:29 -0700 From: kakman1 Compared to other tunes of that ilk from those heady times, i kinda find this to be quite ordinary sounding. oh yeah, if you set the vols at eleven and all, it's quite a heavy tune but there are dozens and dozens of other tracks from those heady times that i have heard from that era that make the same case. a quaint but loud curiosity at best. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Ace Kefford Stand Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:38:44 -0700 From: "Glenys Lehair" Thanks for uploading that Ace Kefford Stand track, I've wanted to hear their single & it's B-side for ages. "Gravy Booby Jam" is pretty cool actually I quite like it. Have you got "For Your Love"? Does Ace just sing or does he play bass (or even guitar?) 17 yr old wizzo JOEL ********** Subject: Re: Ace Kefford Stand Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:08:07 -0700 From: "stephen mulcahy" actually i think the single's quite good, especially the playing, although it must be noted that i simply love an enormous deal of stuff from that period, particularly heavy / psychedelic rock. is that kefford singing? if you ask me the song sounds quite a lot like GUN. they were a late 60's cream -esque power trio featuring the gurvitz brothers, they put out a pair of good hard rock albums. as some of you may know, adrian gurvitz went on to, among other things, three man army, a trio with his brother paul and mike kellie, the drummer of spooky tooth. he also worked with graeme edge of the moody blues and formed a trio with ginger baker and his brother paul again. ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:11:32 -0700 From: "Michael J. Cross" What the heck... Mike Cross, 36, College Ombudsperson at RIT Rochester, NY Fan since 1982, when I found a cheap Pickwick cassette tape "Best of the Move", which had material from the first album fused with stuff from Looking On. An odd mix, but I was hooked. Soon after I was able to find Split Ends, On the Road Again, and Boulders (10¢ at a garage sale!). After Boulders, I was prepared to immediately adore anything Roy. I started later than most of you "geezers". Just kidding!! Listening to that Pickwick cassette with my youngest sister, the only of my sibs that enjoyed ELO. She loved "What". Top 5? That's all I get? Etta James, Minister, the live and restored Sunshine Help Me (as appears on the Movements boxset), Songs of Praise, Turkish Tram Conductor Blues. Message from the Country is my fave Move-related album. I can say why in 4 syllabals: Psych - O - Delic! I'm happy with the topics as-is. A very collegial and deeply knowledgeable lot. Like some, I saw Roy and the Army at VU. I still haven't gotten my mind around that experience enough to process it yet! Once, on a first date, we tuned in to a college radio station while driving to get ice cream, and the DJ played Cherry Blossom Clinic Revisited. After excitedly updating the young lady about who Roy and the Move were, I sang along from about the third verse onward. It turned out to be our first and last date. The ice cream was good, though. Other favorite Artists: ELO, Jethto Tull, King Crimson, Richard Thompson, Camper Van Beethoven, The Who, Monks of Doom, Beatles, Ween, Wilco, Alison Krauss, Junior Brown, Texas Tornados, Eugene Chadbourne, Renaissance (which I loved before I even knew about the Roy-Annie union), REM, Phish (I'm a 37-show veteren), Sonny Landreth, XTC/Dukes of Stratosphere, pre-Wall Pink Floyd, The Church, Waylon Jennings, and probably my favorite writer/singer, Hoyt Axton. I'd love to have heard the late Hoyt Axton sing Songs of Praise. How about Junior Brown singing Ben Crawley Steel Company? seriously! Although it's private and personal and probably painful, I'm STILL totally in the dark as to what happened with Roy and Annie. I'm curious, but not salacious. And I hope folks don't take me wrong. I no longer have any trouble finding releases, with an excellent independant record store in town, the various music retailers online, and this awesome list. ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:06:21 -0700 From: "Dale G. Leopold" Name: Dale Leopold Age: 44 Occupation: Stay-at-home-dad, part-time computer consultant, music writer, musician, webmaster Location: Richmond, VA First Move experience: Introduced via Cheap Trick's version of California Man back in the late 70s; picked up the "California Man" LP (most of MFTC plus later singles), was forever hooked. (Technically I know I saw Wizzard on ABC's late-night rock concert show in the summer of '74--my reaction, roughly: "Wha?"--and realized that this was the selfsame Roy Wood pictured on the cover of the CM LP, honking away on his baritone sax). Many thanks to Cheap Trick (who will actually be appearing in Richmond in June at a small venue--hope to chat w/ Rick & crew about Roy). Top 5 Move/related songs: California Man (of course), Do Ya, Omnibus, Brontosaurus, Until Your Mama's Gone Fave LP? Message From the Country, although I still don't actually own it--waiting for the spiffy reissue due later this year (right Rob?). Hope the sound quality is cleaned up--same goes for the early Cordell-produced stuff. Other Favorites: Gosh,life's too short! Beatles, Dylan, Richard Thompson, Randy Newman, Velvets, Danny Gatton, Elliott Smith, Beck, Kinks, Cheap Trick, Rockpile, Elvis Costello, Miles Davis, the Band, Nilsson, Emmitt Rhodes, Marshall Crenshaw, Bill Frisell, Beach Boys, Van Dyke Parks, Cardigans, Eno, Ry Cooder, John Hiatt, Lucinda Williams, Loudon Wainwright III, Rufus Wainwright, Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, Bonzo Dog Band, lots more! Fantasy Move cover: Richard Thompson doing "I Can Hear the Grass Grow" solo acoustic (I saw him do a wonderful job with the Bonzo's "Mickey's Son and Daughter" in Knoxville back in '90). Jealous of the NYC crowd; Roy should do a show in Richmond with the local symphony (Randy Newman did a great one a couple of years back); failing that, the Birchmere in Arlington VA would be a terrific spot to see him. Love the list--love getting such great info from nice people with such impeccable taste. I may still get around to writing about Roy for Crawdaddy magazine (yes, it's still around, and I'm the de-facto webmaster for it: http://www.cdaddy.com Paul Williams is back at the helm, although it's much more stripped-down version these days. Still a worthwhile read for fans of good music like you lot. Cheers, Dale Leopold ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:04:40 -0700 From: "Simon Ladd" As a way of introduction to fellow Move list members I'll give you all a few pertinent facts! I first discovered The Move in the late Sixties when a Welsh band called 'Amen Corner' hit the British singles charts with a magnificent song called 'Hello Susie'. This little piece of 7" vinyl set me on the road of discovery. Later, I bought 'Shazam' but found it too inaccessable (I was only about 10 at the time!). By the end of 1972 I was a 'Wizzard' fan and didn't immediately make the connection to The Move. A year later I was happily bopping away to Roy and Rick on BBC1's 'Top of the Pops' and at the same time getting off on the ELO's 'On The Third Day' (the version on Warner Bros. which was minus 'Showdown'). By my early twenties I was ready to explore the wonderful world of The Move more thoroughly but availability of decent quality recordings frustrated me somewhat. I just can't wait to get my hands on the MFTC remaster. So to bring things up to date, I'm based in the U.K., not currently working for health reasons and eager to learn all I can about England's most underrated (and oft ignored) beat combo. My fav tracks include 'When Alice....', 'Down on the Bay' and of course that period piece known as 'Blackberry Way'. These choices are not very adventurous I agree, but that's the beauty of the Move/ELO/Woody family. It's a very broad church in which there is a place for everyone! Other favourite artists include The Boss (before he went politically correct!), The Kinks, Steely Dan, early Reg Dwight, Steely Dan, the list is almost endless. The most awkward personal info I've left 'til last. I'm 42......... Cheers. Simon. Enfield United Kingdom ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:05:57 -0700 From: "Rich Lamphear" > Your name, age, location, occupation. Rich Lamphear, 44, Boston, MA, computer technician by occupation, guitar player by orientation! > How long have you been a Move and/or Roy Wood fan? Since 1972. That woulda made me 14 at the time... Great Caesar's Ghost! 30 years. > What was your first Move related experience? Receiving my copy of the US compilation "Split Ends" as my free LP premium for joining a record club! > Tell us about your top 5 favorite Move related tracks. FIVE IS IMPOSSIBLE! But here's a "short list" Blackberry Way, Chinatown, Until Your Mama's Gone, Do Ya, Tonight, Hello Susie, ICH Grass Grow, Omnibus. Even that was too hard! > What's your favorite Move related album, and why? Message from the Country, though I first knew it as "Split Ends". Usually I hate compilations that mess up a coherent album and break the flow, but I always thought "Split Ends" was an exception. It was well sequenced and made sense. The addition of Do Ya, Chinatown, Tonight, Down on the Bay to the MFTC tracks really made it a killer album. I also dearly love Shazam, No Answer, Looking On, On the Third Day, Eldorado, Wizzards Brew, Eddy....oh well. > What topics would you like to see discussed on this list? How the heck can we pressure Roy to play more US gigs! > If you've seen the Move or any member of the Move in concert, tell us > about that show. The Army in March (Sat. nite!) Quite a few ELO gigs in the '70s, First time was opening for Deep Purple at the old International Amphitheater in Chicago. > Who are some of your other favorite artists/bands? Beatles, Bowie, Cheap Trick, Roxy Music, T.Rex, Neil Young, Velvet Underground, Iggy Pop, Radiohead > What is the one burning question that you have never had answered > in relation to Move/Roy Wood history or music? What WERE those mysterious "management issues" that caused the Roy/Jeff split in ELO? > Are you having trouble finding any Move related music on CD? Not if I shop on the Internet, though sometimes I've had to wait several weeks for Amazon US to get me the British imports... ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:02:41 -0700 From: Bernardo Quiroga > Your name, age, location, occupation. Bernie Quiroga, 19, Santiago Chile - Economics Student at the Catholic University > How long have you been a Move and/or Roy Wood fan? Approximately, since 1999. I first heard about the Move because of the ELO connection...but never got interested until the "ELO, Friends & Relatives" compilation was out...there I got hooked with Wizzard ("Are You Ready To Rock") and the Move ("Fire Brigade"). Shortly after I had to back order a copy of the Movements box (US$50) and "Exotic Mixture" (US$28) from the USA....shortly before that I found a copy of Disky's "Best Of Roy Wood and Wizzard" accidentally at a major chilean music chain, misfiled as a Kiss album!! (great hits set, btw). Some friends from the US (David "Orbit62" Jones, Jeff Smulyan and Joe Doyle) have helped me a lot, too, in getting more of this wonderful music, that is so expensive for me to get!!! > What was your first Move related experience? Above > Tell us about your top 5 favorite Move related tracks. In no particular order - "Fire Brigade", "10538 Overture", "Looking On", "Dear Elaine", "Message From The Country" > What's your favorite Move related album, and why? It's a big tie between "Looking On", "ELO - No Answer", and "Message From The Country" (to me, the partnership between Wood and Lynne compares only to Lennon and McCartney's) > What topics would you like to see discussed on this list? Woody and the other band members...just keep it going like this!!! > If you've seen the Move or any member of the Move in concert, tell us > about that show. The only member I've ever seen from the Move has been Bev Bevan with ELO Part II during their last world tour...so, the only Move song they played that evening was "Do Ya" ("Blackberry Way" wasn't part of their repertoire yet) > Tell us about an amusing or interesting situation that has happened > as a result of you being a Move/Roy Wood fan. The typical Roy Wood/Ron Wood confusion (Ron Wood from the Rolling Stones) > Who are some of your other favorite artists/bands? Beatles (together and separately, all 4 of them), Traveling Wilburys (together and separately, all 5 of them), ELO (particularly Jeff Lynne and/or Roy Wood), Badfinger, Alan Parsons Project, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Eric Clapton, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Byrds (particularly Jim McGuinn), Crosby/Stills/Nash/Young (only as a duet/trio/quartet, but not separately) > Which Move related song do you wish one of your favorite bands > would cover? David Bowie could do "Dear Elaine", and Tom Petty could do "Do Ya" > What is the one burning question that you have never had answered > in relation to Move/Roy Wood history or music? When are going to be released the following albums: Super Active Wizzo, On The Road Again, Wizzo's BBC Sight & Sound, and the many non album Woody singles (like "OTT") > Are you having trouble finding any Move related music on CD? Always...it's too expensive to import albums from them, and local distributors never bring Woody/Move stuff (except for that "accidental" misfile of "The Best Of" as a Kiss CD). Generally local distributors bring CDs at cheaper prices. Thanks for this great survey, Lynn! Best regards, Bernie Quiroga 19 yr-old fan from Santiago, Chile End of Useless Information #344 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]