[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #455 March 18, 2003 In this issue: * Song Of The Week (week of 3/3): "The Words Of Aaron" * ELO 2 Sound Files * First Light * New Wizzard Boot?!? * Record on ebay (not an ad!) (cont.) * Meeting Roy (cont.) * William Chalker * The Hollies concerts * What Roy Wants/Doesn't Want * I want you to want Roy...or one hibernation under a groove! ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "The Words Of Aaron" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:13:48 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Yes this is a great choice for SOTW...and, Kevin, I have commented numerous times on Roy's bass playing. One comment I'll repeat is that I played some tracks from the "Message..."album for a bass player friend of mine who is really into the variety of sound that a bass guitar can generate. He was very impressed. His comment was "This is 1971? That sound he's getting is really advanced". Roy ahead of his time yet again! In fact, during this period, Roy was in some demand as a bassist on various sessions for other artists. There are some on this list who may not know he played bass on the "Bo Diddley London Sessions" album in 1972. It's a mediocre album but I mention it for the benefit of completists like me who must have all things Roy. But I digress. Great track, great song by Jeff & a prime example of Roy & Jeff working together at the top of their form. I've always loved Bev's drums on this track as well. I'm glad they tagged on that fade in at the end so we can hear exactly what he is doing. At this point, Jeff seemed to be into writing rather esoteric lyrics, I suppose to be in step with the "art rock" atmosphere that was so prevalent in those heady days. But this track by no means sounds dated. Like everyone else, I can't wait for the upcoming reissue. Is their a release date yet, Rob? Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "The Words Of Aaron" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:13:54 -0800 From: "vellini" Always loved this one, but I must confess, I haven't a clue as to what the hell it's about! Can anyone help? ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "The Words Of Aaron" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:15:40 -0800 From: Gmcorie Tyler wrote: >Yes this is a great choice for SOTW...and, Kevin, I have commented >numerous times on Roy's bass playing. One comment I'll repeat is that >I played some tracks from the "Message..." album for a bass player >friend of mine who is really into the variety of sound that a bass >guitar can generate. i always thought jeff did the bass, was it roy? louisiana george ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "The Words Of Aaron" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:39:08 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" George, I'm not aware of Jeff playing bass on any Move songs. I could be wrong, of course. Who played what is a bit hazy on some of those tracks. It has been said that Rick Price played bass uncredited on a few "MFTC" tracks. But I am quite sure Roy is playing bass on "Aaron". Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: ELO 2 Sound Files Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:58:17 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Any comments on the sounds files on the ELO 2 site? http://www.ftmusic.com/elo2/sounds/sounds.html Showdown - MP3 (492K) "Auntie" (Ma-Ma-Ma Belle Take 2) - MP3 (900K) (featuring Jeff Lynne & Marc Bolan) Roll Over Beethoven (Take 1) - MP3 (612K) Linking from this page are clips of Carl Wayne singing Your World (written by Jeff) and From The Sun To The World, one of two songs on the album that features Roy Wood on cello and bass. I know these are just short snippets, but was wondering if there were any early opinions. ********** Subject: Re: ELO 2 Sound Files Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:59:05 -0800 From: kakman1 (Warning! Spoiler of Roll Over Beethoven sound file if you haven't heard it yet) Well I for one love Jeff and Bev making all them silly "ba ba ba buuum" voices and noises during the opening Beethoven's fifth sequence on "Roll Over Beethoven" take one. Do they do this throughout or just during this sequence? Carl Wayne and the band's "Our World" (minus the string section) is by far the best of the clips IMHO and the most startling. How much influence did Mike De Albuquerque have in the arrangement since he came from a soul & R&B background? The other clips were great and very enjoyable, but undoubtedly "Roll Over Beethoven" and "Our World" are the tracks I'm looking forward to hearing in full when the album ships. "Baby I apologise", not a clip (yet!), which if I may be so bold to add, may be the theme of the entire First Light series. "Apologise? For what?", you may ask. One of the first collaborations between FTM and EMI, "Early ELO", was released over ten years ago. "Early ELO" wasn't really that bad, but it could have been better. The booklet had the pages out of sequence and sound was not all it could have been, but it was a start, and did pave the way other collections and the ascent of Rob Caiger's involvement in these other projects. The two-disc set had the first two albums, some quad mixes from "Electric Light Orchestra", "Showdown", "Baby I Apologise", an instrumental B-side of "In Old England Town" and some early mixes of "Showdown" and "Ma-Ma-Ma-Belle". With the rollout of other releases later this year (Message From The Country, Ace The Face, The Idle Race re-issue, Wizzard and other Move releases, and the Carl and Roy collaboration, am I forgetting anything?) I'm gonna hafta to start ebaying some of my other stuff. But it'll be worth it. Thank goodness FTM doesn't sell T-shirts, buttons, posters, etcetera. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: ELO 2 Sound Files Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:14:03 -0800 From: John DeSilva > Any comments on the sounds files on the ELO 2 site? > > Showdown - MP3 (492K) Sounds very much like the released version to me ... even on the web the sound quality and stereo spectrum is excellent though! > "Auntie" (Ma-Ma-Ma Belle Take 2) - MP3 (900K) (featuring Jeff Lynne > & Marc Bolan) Very up-front slide guitar on this take - so who's playing slide, Jeff or Marc? This makes me wish there had been more collaboration between Jeff and Marc - it would have been rockin' guitar-based music for sure ... > Roll Over Beethoven (Take 1) - MP3 (612K) Very funny - probably alcohol-induced vocals here. Ah, to be young again ... ;-D > Linking from this page are clips of Carl Wayne singing Your World > (written by Jeff) Great R&B style number - Carl as soul shouter! It makes me wonder ... what if Jeff had done a "Brian Wilson" and had Carl as permanent member of ELO doing the vocals whilst Jeff stayed at home and wrote and produced all the albums ... how would THAT have changed the ELO sound? > and From The Sun To The World, one of two songs on the album that > features Roy Wood on cello and bass. Again sounds like the album version, except that the sound has been cleaned up considerably. Even on mp3 compression over the web the sound to my old ears is excellent! I can't wait for the actual CD to hear the remastering work in all its glory!!! JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: First Light Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:14:13 -0800 From: "DAVID BURLEY" Kevin Kunreuther writes: >On The Third Day (is this album going to be part of Third >Light series, too, or is that it for ELO albums in the series?) THIRD light? I was under the impression that the 'First Light' Series was all about all the albums that were recorded 1969-1973 and associated with the births of ELO and Wizzard. That would mean MFTC, Boulders, ELO1, ELO2 and Brew. On The Third Day is, I believe, owned by Sony or Jet or something, but definitely not EMI. Sony have postponed/cancelled/forgotten their ELO reissue series. Am I right Rob? Rob? Are you there Rob? (Oh sorry, he's still licking all the stamps for the ELO2 mailings. ) Regards David Burley Burley Towers ********** Subject: New Wizzard Boot?!? Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:04:30 -0800 From: Mike Frankel I was just checking out the Midnight Records online catalog and came upon this listing. MOVE:WIZZARD-Mysteries-(Ltd.CD Live Studio'74+BBC'77+Rare) Does anyone know anything about this obvious Bootleg. I have not come across it before. ********** Subject: Re: New Wizzard Boot?!? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:30:41 -0800 From: John DeSilva Mike Frankel wrote: > I was just checking out the Midnight Records online catalog and came > upon this listing. > > MOVE:WIZZARD-Mysteries-(Ltd.CD Live Studio'74+BBC'77+Rare) Mike: This has been around for awhile - it's called "Mysteries Of Merlin", and it has mostly studio tracks from "Wizzard Brew" and "Eddy and the Falcons" (which it proclaims are "not on CD", so that should give you an indication of how old it is). I bought it because it also has stuff from '74 recorded live at Cherokee Studios ("Forever", "Salt Peanuts", "This Is The Story Of My Love", and "California Man"), and two songs from the BBC Sight And Sound Wizzo show of 1977 ("Life Is Wonderfull"(sic), and "Waiting At The Door"). Sound quality is ok - probably not worth lining Midnight Records' pockets to get it though. Oh, and it also has the 80's single "OTT". JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: New Wizzard Boot?!? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:31:02 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Hi Mike, I believe this is the "Mysteries Of Merlin" boot that's been around awhile. I have it. It's so so sound-wise as is the case for most boots. The material on has been around for years via cassette tapes circulated by collectors. If you don't want to shell out the big bucks they want for it and would like to have it, you can send me a blank CD-R and I'll knock out a copy for you. In fact, since you're really just "up the road" from where I live, why don't you c'mon down sometime a take a look at all the boots I have and choose the ones you need? ********** Subject: Re: Record on ebay (not an ad!) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:57:42 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" Marc wrote: >Does anyone out there know anything about this? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514548352&category= >22666 Yep its one of Ace's songs. He i believe plays on it too. I have not heard it but it is considered a classic example of what you American's call Freakbeat. I dont know if it will on be on Rob's Ace Kefford CD. I believe it can be found on Nuggets Vol 1 or 2. I am sure someone on list will put you right. If it is has good has my Ace Kefford Stand single it will be fantastic! ********** Subject: Re: Meeting Roy Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:33:58 -0800 From: kakman1 Andrew Footman wrote: >Thanks Lynnette and Chris. It had been a while since i last saw them >play. Chris after the amount of money that night cost you and that great >distance too! I can understand your anger. Lets hope it was just a >one off bad gig. i was glad to meet him. Shaking hands with Roy was >something i never would have believe would happen to someone like me. >I FEEL A LOT BETTER ALREADY. Andy Andy Andy, everybody gets excited when they see their idol live in person. So you lost your critical eye and ears. Lord knows I've done that on occasion. I remember when "Xanadu" came out, to the amazement of my peers (and I could tell by their faces I should have kept my trap shut) I declared out loud that it was the best movie ever. I had never heard ELO on the big screen, so that was kind of a big selling point to me. I regained my critical faculties later, but it was no big deal, I remember one thing and that was I did have fun and enjoy the movie, so yes, I was a satisfied ticket buyer! And from what I also gathered, a lot of people enjoyed the gig at Bilston nonetheless, or there would have a riot and a lot of demands for refunds, am I right? So, enjoy the glow. At least you saw him in person, AGAIN, I might add. I still haven't! What I wouldn't mind him doing is like a Songwriter type of tour, where he plays solo on an acoustic and talks about how he went about writing each number and how they came about. Sometimes, retrospective junkets like that spark the creative juices, like a voyage of re-discovery. I wouldn't mind if he did another one off studio collaboration with Jeff Lynne, just a couple of tracks. (Why were "You And Me" and that other Lynne produced track from the eighties or nineties never commercially released? No interest from labels or Roy not sure of the tracks quality?) Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Meeting Roy Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:14:09 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" >What I wouldn't mind him doing is like a Songwriter type of tour, >where he plays solo on an acoustic and talks about how he went about >writing each number and how they came about. Sometimes, retrospective >junkets like that spark the creative juices, like a voyage of >re-discovery. Roy doing an acoustic set, and talking about how the songs were wrote. What a great idea Kevin. As to the stuff Jeff and Roy recorded in the 80's and 90's, I have heard Me And You. It is really good. You ever heard Jeff do anything awful? I have heard some of Roys other songs from that time. They are very good too. I ONLY HOPE THEY GET A PROPER RELEASE ONE DAY. ********** Subject: William Chalker Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:38:24 -0800 From: "stephen mulcahy" Greg Weatherby wrote: >I love this song. Any comments about it? > >http://www.newwavesales.com/WilliamChalker.MP3 i like this song, it always reminded me of the who sell out more than the move though... ********** Subject: Re: William Chalker Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:38:48 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" I've heard this song via a boot I have but this is brilliant. I had no idea that all those horns & strings were doing all those marvelous things they are doing. If Ace wrote this and had anything to do with the producing & arranging it just shows how brilliant his career could have been had he not been sidelined by drugs and mental illness. Does anyone know if this single charted? Thanks Greg for posting this. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: William Chalker Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:35:36 -0800 From: Greg Weatherby Tyler C.Sherman wrote: >If Ace wrote this and had anything to do with the producing & arranging >it just shows how brilliant his career could have been... Actually, Trevor produced it, and Ace wrote it. All that bit about whistling in the loo, btw, is basically classic 60s hype. And did it chart? No. I could post the flip side, "I Can Touch A Rainbow" as well, if there is any interest. I'm at work now, but when I get home, I'll check to see if Ace or Trevor had any connection to the B side, otherwise I guess it would be off topic! The Lemon Tree's second, and last, single had no Ace or Trevor connection. I have it as well, I'm pretty sure. Greg keeper of the archive ********** Subject: Re: William Chalker Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:36:02 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" >Does anyone know if this single charted? No it never made the charts. For Your Love by the Ace Kefford Stand also sold only a handful of copies. They are very very rare. Uk value for mint copies Record Collector book 2004. Chalker £35, AKS £35. Try finding a copy of the AKS single! No mine will never be up for sale at any price so don't ask. ********** Subject: The Hollies concerts Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:05:14 -0800 From: Linda Janes Hi All Sorry to hear some of you were disappointed with Roys recent gig. But thought you'd like to know I have been to two of The Hollies concerts so far and they were absolutely fantastic !! Carl is really back on full form and they do simply terrific versions of I Can Hear the Grass Grow Blackberry way and Fire Brigade. The rest of the band really get into these songs and seem to love playing them. The audiences on both nights really supported Carl in singing along infact in Tunbridge Wells the audience sung so loud and enjoyed it so much when it finished Tony Hicks said Sorry but we've got to get back to our music now !! Great Stuff !! I also had the great pleasure of meeting Carl and he dedicated two songs to me Long Cool Woman and Blowin in the Wind. What a guy !! What a concert !! Next date is Birmingham and I can't wait still got 3 more to look forward to. ********** Subject: What Roy Wants/Doesn't Want Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:23:40 -0800 From: Sweetfa Okay Folks please don't take this the wrong way, no disrespect meant but here goes.....Roy doesn't want to do this, Roy doesn't want to do that, Roy wants to do this--maybe--maybe not, Roy may appear next week, no next month, he'll let you know...no he won't he'll just show up somewhere and play and we'll find out about it later...or maybe we won't. He could care less about being involved with any MOVE or for that matter Roy Wood promoting. I say screw Roy Wood!! He doesn't care so why should we continue to beg and kiss his ass?? Enough Is Enough!! No matter what we're still going to love Woody BUT that said...HEY BEV REFORM THE MOVE...PLEASE REFORM THE MOVE!!!!!!! (a plea from) Kenny In Beautiful, Lovely Downtown>>Rocky Point, New York (okay guys let me have it!) ********** Subject: Re: What Roy Wants/Doesn't Want Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:31:33 -0800 From: Richard Messum Kenny ramped: >He could care less about being involved with any MOVE or for that >matter Roy Wood promoting. I say screw Roy Wood!! He doesn't care so >why should we continue to beg and kiss his ass??" Actually, Kenny, although i think you could have phrased it more diplomatically, you make a valid point, but i also think that you over-estimate the slavishness of our devotion to the man. Roy will, always, do just whatever it is he wants to do. He's an artist, and this is his prerogative and his raison d'etre. If we as his fans aren't happy with it, well then, too bad, it's not his problem. As long as he is happy with it.... Artists don't write / paint / sing for their fans, they do it for themselves (exorcising inner demons or whatever). When members of the public happen to enjoy the work, it's an added bonus for them, they can eat, the rent gets paid, etc. But make no mistake, the work would be done regardless. It's termed a "calling." Personally, i love The Move's music, i love RW's solo recordings, and i'd love to see more of them available, but i'm not kissing anyone's arse to get them: if and when they come out, when they are ready to come out, brilliant! I'll buy them, of course i will, and i can't wait to get my paws on the remastered "ELO II." When Roy is ready, he'll be ready. Whatever is, is. And there's nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be. All you need is love. ********** Subject: Re: What Roy Wants/Doesn't Want Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:31:55 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins >I say screw Roy Wood!! He doesn't care... There's an awful lot I don't know about Roy Wood, but one thing I DO know is that he does care. Very much. I can appreciate your frustration, Kenny. Occasionally over on the ELO list someone will complain, "How long are we expected to wait for Jeff to DO something?" I want to respond with, "Hey, you think you've got it bad...try being a Roy Wood fan!" This may sound weird, but I want Roy to do something...for him. Not for me, or for anyone else. I don't want his last recording to be that silly Wombles thing. This is pretty much how I feel about all the members of The Move. I don't want Carl's last recording to be a cover of a mediocre Paul Bliss song with the Hollies. I don't want Bev's last recording to be an ELO Part II song (i.e. Whiskey Girls.) I so desperately want the Ace Kefford album to come out so the world will finally hear all the talent he possessed (and probably still does.) And Trevor's still got a *great* album in him, just waiting to come out. But most of all, I want Roy to record something that he is proud of, something that makes up for all the botched producing at the hands of others, and all the industry injustices. Even if it's only one song - just so long as he does it his way. Will I get my wish? Who knows. But, from my perspective, he's earned the right to be eccentric. (And who besides a true eccentric could have created Wizzard Brew?) If he didn't drive us crazy, he wouldn't be Roy. ********** Subject: I want you to want Roy...or one hibernation under a groove! Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:31:00 -0800 From: Plastic Ono Dream oh "kenny", what a post! i can't say i don't know where you're coming from. but if we don't continue to beg & kiss ass,"roy wood" might just go into hibernation...forever! what a waste & oh what a shame that would be eh? meeting him here in new york city last year was an incredible experience. he has such a vibe (for want of a better word) about him. he's mad as a hatter, yet at the same time the most compassionate of human beings, so british & polite & fun. he's a special gifted soul. such a glint of mischief in his eye! and as "lynn hoskins" stated, you can hear all this music whizzing around you when you're in his presence, it's weird to try to describe, musics of his & our pasts & perhaps the future as well. who am i? friggin' "donovan"? lol! so yeah "kenny in rocky point"...i understand what you mean, but if "woody" thinks no one wants him or cares about him anymore, that might make him sadder than he already might be. so i'll keep beggin' & kissin'. pass the "chap stick". and yes "bev bevan" get yer arse on stage in some form! 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