[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #462 April 6, 2003 In this issue: * BBC Sessions (cont.) * Remastered Move (cont.) * CRASH...Been Gone * List archives online * The Hollies - West Cliff Theatre * Info for two singles (cont.) * Balls * Free CD... 1st Movements CD... * Yardbirds "Birdland" To Be Released April 22nd * ELO2 hits Northern California! * Move 2003 Reunion? (cont.) * One Year Ago... I like odd! - Roy Wood Live @ The VU * One Year Ago... Just loved Roy * Review of ELO 2 / The Lost Planet ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Re: BBC Sessions Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:41:52 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" There is also an earlier bootleg version of "BBC sessions" that has one extra track, a cover of "Sounds Of Silence", that circulated for a while. So if you can't find "Sessions" but happen to see "Black Country Rock", grab it. It rivals the legit version sound wise except for a few tracks that have crackles, hiss, etc. There is some excellent stuff on this that is not available anywhere else....cover versions of obscure R & B songs along with live versions of the early Move hits. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Remastered Move Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:05:53 -0800 From: steve22 Thank you Andrew, for both the welcome and the lowdown on those releases. Will do on any remasters. They're the way to go. Is "Ace The Face" a new, in the works CD coming out later this year? Hope so. Never heard any Ace Kefford Stand material before but am eager to hear it all! What's "ELO First Light"? Was this ever a US release? You'll have to forgive me as I'm out of the loop on this release and a few others mentioned here on occasion? I haven't met Rob yet. ********** Subject: Re: Remastered Move Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:22:18 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" First light was the first ELO album remaster set Rob did. This is fantastic. Rob has found the last 100 from EMI. Get in touch with Rob if you want a copy. Do not delay, once it is gone it is gone. It like ELO II was a UK only release and was deleted last year. Go get it while you still can! I hope you are enjoying the list mate. ********** Subject: Re: Remastered Move Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:36:18 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" I concur with Andy, get the limited edition ELO First Light while it is available again. If you liked the first ELO album, titled "No Answer" here in the USA, you will flip over this 2 CD reissue. It includes rare live stuff with Roy Wood still in the line up, unusual quad mixes and incredible graphics both on the CD inserts and video material on the discs including the rare promo film for "10538 Overture". Amazing package. Do not delay, contact Rob and send for it today. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: CRASH...Been Gone Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:21:20 -0800 From: "sweetfa" Hi Peoples, Sorry I haven't had a chance to respond to my positive/negative feedback on What Roy Wants/What Roy Doesn't Want. My computer crashed and I've had limited access not to mention I type like I have no fingers. I will be back on within a week and if the topic isn't dated I will respond. I've saved all my editions of Useless Information. You guys have to be some of the most passionate on the net and it's a pleasure to be involved with you!!! Kenny (from beautiful, lovely, downtown) Rocky Point, New York ********** Subject: List archives online Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:51:54 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Steve and others, New list members can get caught up with all things Move by visiting the list archives. Make yourself a nice cup of tea before getting started...you'll be there awhile! Useless Information - Move List archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/move_archives/movearchives.html P.S. I'm working on the 2001 archives. And 2000. And 1999. And... ********** Subject: The Hollies - West Cliff Theatre Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:47:50 -0800 From: Graham The Hollies - West Cliff Theatre, Southend 2 April 2003. One of the big problems that 'modern' bands have is the ability to play live. So when we saw that the Hollies were gigging in Essex we took the chance to pop along to see the show. The band has gone through a number of lineups over the years so we were not really sure who was going to take the stage. Anyway, the band made there entrance and lo and behold there was Carl Wayne belting out the hits. In the back was Ray Stiles (of Mud fame) for good measure. As promised it was wall to wall hits, Carl made it all seem so simple and mixed up in all of this was three great Move hits: Fire Brigade, Flowers in the Rain and Blackeberry Way - along with a dedication to Woody. The audience was a bit creaky - the clicking of knee joints and snapping prosthetics were all over the place but the enthusiasm was infectious and soon all were joining in the singing. Ahh, if only there was more of this sort of thing out there - we will probably never a Move reunion but as long as their songs still get sung I will for one be a very happy man. ********** Subject: Re: Info for two singles Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:13:00 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" >1) Rats (T. Burton) c/w If You Want it (P. McCartney) by The Magic >Christians: UK 45 rpm on Major Minor Records # MM 673 ©1969 >Produced by Gary Wright. It is not Rats, it is called Nuts. It was a B side to Come And Get It. The first press of the A side was called If You Want It. WE ALL KNOW WHO WROTE THIS! The wrong title is worth £6 and the correct title is worth £8! They also made 1 lp called The Magic Christians, Major Minor SMLP 71 worth £30. All info Record Collector Rare Record Price Guide 2004. ********** Subject: Re: Info for two singles Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:13:07 -0800 From: andrew.codd Here's a bit more info on the other single. Looks like the song is actually called "NATS" not Rats. Taken from the Tapestry of delights web page. Personnel incl: TREVOR BURTON gtr A 45s: 1 Come And Get It/Nats (Major Minor MM 673) 1970 Reissue 45: 1 If You Want It/Nats (Major Minor MM 673) 1970 The full line-up of this band remains unknown. Trevor Burton had been in The Move and The Uglys. He was later in Balls, indeed this may have been a pseudonym for Balls. Come And Get It was a Paul McCartney song also done by Badfinger. It was produced by Gary Wright of Spooky Tooth and is of curio interest to Apple collectors. ********** Subject: Re: Info for two singles Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:13:39 -0800 From: steve22 >Anyone have info on two singles I have? > >1) Rats (T. Burton) c/w If You Want it (P. McCartney) by The Magic >Christians: UK 45 rpm on Major Minor Records # MM 673 ©1969 >Produced by Gary Wright. > >2) Fight For My Country (T Burton) c/w Janie Slow Down (A White & D >Laine) Bt Trevor Burton : US EPIC 45 rpm # 5-10851 ©1972 Produced >by Jimmy Miller. > >Is this the single released in the UK under the moniker "BALLS"?? Have these two Trevor Burton/Balls & related singles ever been reissued on LP or CD since the original 45's? The title for Magic Christians - "If you want it" reminds me of the chorus for Badfinger's "Come and get it" which Paul McCartney happen to write as well. That song incidentally was on the "Magic Christian" soundtrack and their first album, too. I wonder if this is the same song but, mistitled on your 45's label? What do these two singles sound like? ********** Subject: Re: Info for two singles Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:02:55 -0800 From: John DeSilva >45s: >1 Come And Get It/Nats (Major Minor MM 673) 1970 > >Reissue 45: >1 If You Want It/Nats (Major Minor MM 673) 1970 Rob: So if you ever reissue this one, will it be called "Here It Is/Nats"? Just wonderin' ... ;-) JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: Info for two singles Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:03:00 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" No, it is NUTS. ********** Subject: Balls Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:13:17 -0800 From: "James Towill" >I believe that both "Fight For My Country" singles were released in >the UK, one under the name "Balls" (Trevor, Denny Laine, Alan White), >the other a year later under Trevor's name. Is 'Fight For My Country' available on CD anywhere? (long-shot, I know). I heard a clip of it on the Birmingham Beat Rock Family Trees programme a few years back, and it really did sound absolutely mad, in a rather intriguing and listenable way.....!! ********** Subject: Free CD... 1st Movements CD... Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:22:51 -0800 From: "cuselton" Hi! In a recent ebay acquisition of mine (the vinyl of Super Active Wizzo), the seller threw in the first CD of Movements for free. This has the classic early Move hits on it. I already have these, so if anyone wants this CD, just let me know. If I receive multiple requests, I'll take names and draw a name in about a week. thanks! cu tornado alley, ok ********** Subject: Yardbirds "Birdland" To Be Released April 22nd Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:52:52 -0800 From: steve22 Hey all, I know this is off-topic from The Move but, thought some of you might be interested in this good news regarding The Yardbirds brand new album. ----- Coming April 22, 2003 - Birdland by the Yardbirds! The Yardbirds, one of the most influential bands to emerge from the glorious British pop scene of the 60s, presents its first new studio recording in 35 years! Birdland contains newly recorded versions of eight of their best known hits, plus seven new songs that faithfully carry on the Yardbirds' musical tradition. www.theyardbirds.com ********** Subject: Re: Yardbirds "Birdland" To Be Released April 22nd Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:18:28 -0800 From: Bob Hughes >Birdland contains newly recorded versions of eight of their best >known hits, plus seven new songs that faithfully carry on the >Yardbirds' musical tradition. This is sorta like what would happen if Bev and Ace decided to form a new Move, isn't it? ********** Subject: ELO2 hits Northern California! Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:14:23 -0800 From: John DeSilva Well, I'm excited - I received both ELO2 and the Beatles Anthology DVD set today. Guess which one I opened first!!! ;-D I'll do a proper review later, but what I'm hearing so far is awesome! Congratulations Rob on yet another stellar job - can't wait to get through the whole set!!! JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: Move 2003 Reunion? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:36:14 -0800 From: steve22 "Tyler C.Sherman" writes: >Hoo boy. We've been discussing this very thing for some months now. >Why not indeed! The only reason, apparently, is that all the members, >most notably Roy, simply do not want to do it. The one possible >exception is Bev Bevan who has hinted he might try to get a few >ex-members, sans Roy, to do some shows. The general consensus seems >to be that without Roy it really wouldn't be The Move. As much as >we would all like this to happen it seems highly unlikely that it >ever will. Well, that answers that reunion question. It's probably they think, except for Bev that, they can't recapture that classic Move sound now that they're all in their 50's ? That's too bad. Yeah, even if they did it without Roy, it'd be like the original Who reuniting without Pete Townshend. Not the same. Thanks, Steve ********** Subject: One Year Ago... I like odd! - Roy Wood Live @ The VU Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:55:52 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins [Re-post] Subject: I like odd! - Roy Wood Live @ The VU Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:46:41 -0800 From: Joe Ramsey There's not much that I can add to my friend John DeSilva's review... saw the show all four nights, the music was tight, large beyond the constraints of the Village Underground, Roy was in great voice (what would you expect?) even when he complained of being sick on Saturday. He did the obligatory set of greatest hits (again, what would you expect?), and while some of our British friends might have been disappointed with that, they have to remember... the USA hasn't seen Woody in 28 years!!! Yeah, give us some o' dem greatest hits. Highlights: Angel Fingers... I like it better than See My Baby Jive, this one takes on a whole new dimension heard live. Loved the baritone sax intro - that's an awfully big saxophone for such a little girl. Beautiful. Marilyn says this song is for her. Could be. Roy's Revenge... A big instrumental along the lines of Giant Footsteps, or is that Jubilee? Can only think of the phrase "blowin' up a storm" which is what the horn section did. Not crazy about the drum solo (I wish Woody had done it - but the drummer was a very good player) but I figure it gave our Roy a much needed break, so served it's purpose. Blackberry Way. Simply beautiful. Better live than on the record and the perfect showcase for Roy's vocal. Absolutely great. A showstopper. And as wonderful as the show was, the best thing for me was meeting all of our list sisters and brothers. It seemed everywhere we went we met folks from the list. My great friend Plastic Ono Brian Carter pitched a wang-dang-doodle for all of us at a rehearsal studio downtown. What a gas! You haven't lived til you've heard John Desilva's version of "Can't Get It Out Of My Head!" And I'll tell you what, P.Ono Carter laid down a very Lou Reed-y vocal of "Turkish Tram Conductor Blues" Did he make up those lyrics himself? Yes he did. I think Roy would have been proud! Like the ELO Los Angeles shows, it showed me once again the POWER of music and what it means to people. A lot. Really. I finally met my British döppelganger, Joe Doyle! We talked so much that we were shushed by a very stern woman in the bar area. Incredulously, I asked her, "WHAT?!! You have to be kidding!! We're in a bar for chrissakes... not Carnegie Hall" (oooh we were too loud!) Lynn, who I am very grateful to, got me into Friday's soundcheck where I was lucky enough to watch Roy bark out some instructions to the band vis a vis "I Can Hear The Grass Grow." He asked his faithful soundman, Roger, what he thought of the arrangement to which Roger replied, "It's a bit odd." Roy thought about it and replied, "I like odd." "Well, you got odd," says Roger (truthfully, it didn't sound all that odd to me but I love Super Active Wizzo, so go figure!). And New York itself was a trip to me. I've been there several times before... the people have always been aggressive, at least to us California laid-back types (ha!), but now... it's as if the city has taken a collective deep breath and most everyone I met were polite, helpful... hell, LOVING. Maybe this is the good that we can get from the despicaple 9/11 crime against humanity. Incredible resilience. Action/reaction. OK. Well done, New York! So THANK YOU Joe Doyle & beautiful family, Brian Carter, Tim & Kelly Emerich, John Desilva, Dr. Bob (YEAH, we hung out, and didn't argue!), Mike Cross, Terry, Beth, Rob Caiger, Lynn Hoskins and the beautiful Marilyn (who selflessy put up with my nonsense for four days... YIKES!) for giving me a weekend that I will never forget. Oh yeah, and thanks, Roy... for all the music (same thing I was able to say to him 28 years ago when I met him briefly at a live radio show!). Bring that band to California for God's sake! Oooooooooh La Ooooooooo La Ooooooooooo Woo woo woo ahhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhh! Feeling 19 again, Ramsey ********** Subject: One Year Ago... Just loved Roy Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:56:18 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins [Re-post] Subject: Just loved Roy Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:14:02 -0800 From: "prplhaz" The five of us all saw Roy in 1974 at the ROXY theater Northampton PA. USA had to see him again. On March 23 2002 I, Gary Rosenblatt, Ken Wuchter, Tim Reed, and a buddy from work John Koloso, we left for New York at 8:30 AM Ken drove, took 22 to 23 to 78 to Morristown, 10:00 took the NJ train into the city. Got off at Penn Station came out and headed downtown. We walked from 34 street to 4th found the "Village Underground." Went to McDougels for lunch some good burgers, headed out and went C/D and cigar shopping. Hit the Subway got 4 tokens, headed back up town not to far "whew" 23rd street Midnight Records, the city is just mesmerizing. Got back on the subway went to a shop near Ground Zero. Got off and Gary got us directions to the big hole in the ground. We walked down and saw where the twin towers once stood. "WOW". Ok we headed through China Town people lots of people. Couple of blocks up went into Little Italy. Well by now we are really parched so we found a nice place to get a drink. Me and Mr. Reed had perfect Manhattans. From there we went to three Little Indians a cigar bar for dinner we all had Bershal very good. More drinks and a couple cappucinos and Expresso's, back out into the night we headed back to the Village, we went through Washington Square, "twice" now back to the show. We got there the place is about 3 times as big as Godfrey Daniels 300 people, it was crowded. John and I found two chairs then Tim Gary and Ken got into a booth right behind us, the first band the Star Spangles "punk" OK. Now "Roy Woods" Army, the band 4 trumpets 3 girls 1 guy, 2 girls sax's 2 girl trombones, 2 twin girls backup singers one who would play keyboards a guy drummer and bass and Roy. The whole band was so involved in the show it was amazing, singing, playing, unbelievable. Brontosaurus, California Man, Fire Brigade, Roys Revengs. Some new stuff and more old stuff, Roy was sick so he cut his show short but it was so intense that it really did not matter. I would have loved to see a lot more but what a show, compared to what I own on C/D and what I can remember from the Roxy 1974 show, this was a step up. Roy has done nothing but progress. The only thing we can hope, is he comes back again and not wait 28 years again. So we headed up town to Penn Station back to NJ. To catty and home what a great day. Hope you all can catch him the next time he is here I know I will. ********** Subject: Review of ELO 2 / The Lost Planet Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:21:08 -0800 From: merrlynne Hi Fellow Fans, I have only just received My Copy (due to an unforeseen boo boo at FTM, which Rob quickly solved for Me, thanks Rob!) and have Played it once, so this is first impressions. Wow!!!!! What can I say?! Rob has surpassed Himself with this one!! The Remastering is out of this World! It made Me see "ELO2" in a whole new and amazing light! (Pun intended!) I have always loved this Album, but every Mix before has sounded murky. The best one was the last Harvest Remaster from 1999, I must say that when I brought that one, that I expected more from it! But this New Remaster has surpassed even My expectations! The Sound is so clear! Peter Mew has made this Album jump out of the Speakers at You! It sounds so fresh and New, You would never think it was 30 Years Old! Nearly as Old as Me! Lol! The Booklets are amazing too! There are a lot of Pictures there that I have never seen before! I especially love the Pictures with Marc Bolan, I never thought any existed! I can see that this whole package has been very well thought out and lovingly put together for us. I have only Read some of the Sleevenotes so far, there's so much to take in! It's like Christmas and Birthday all rolled into one! Now on to the amazing Rare and Unreleased Tracks! The 2 Versions of "Ma Ma Ma Belle" (known as "Auntie" originally) are fantastic! The First one shows the intricacy of the Music behind the Song, shame it's so short, and with the 2nd one, shows how the Song was Constructed. I prefer these 2 Versions over the one's that appeared in 1991 on "Early Years 71-73", because You had to really listen to notice the differences in them, where as these are evident straight away on First listening. "Mambo" (Dreaming Of 4000 Take 1), Oh Wow! It felt like Jeff was jumping out of the Speakers at Me! I love this Version! It just Show's what an amazing Voice Jeff has! He should've left it this way I think, instead of Masking His Vocal's in the Mix. "Everyone's Born To Die", great Lyrics, these Words are so true! Another amazing Jeff Composition, i'm still to find a Jeff Composition that I don't like! I don't think I ever will! A beautiful Song! "Roll Over Beethoven (Take1)", Oh Wow! I wasn't expecting this! This had Me laughing so hard it made Me cry! I love it! Was this the predecessor of "Who's That"????!!!! Lol!!! It would've been amazing if Jeff had Released this Version wouldn't it?! The 3 BBC Session Tracks, "From The Sun To The World (Boogie No.1)", "Momma" and "Roll Over Beethoven" showed off yet again, the amazing Raw Live Talent of ELO! FAB-U-LOUS! "Your World (Take2)", this is My Fave out of the 3 New Jeff Compositions. I have often wondered what Carl Wayne would sound like with ELO? Now I know! His Vocal's were amazing on all 3 Tracks! He Sang this one beautifully! It's like this Song was written for Him! This one has caused My First "Earworm" from this amazing package! And I have only heard it once! "Get A Hold Of Myself (Take2)", yet again, more fine Vocal Work from Carl! Another great Track! Shame Carl didn't end up sharing Lead Vocal's in ELO with Jeff, after Roy left, He has an amazing Voice that got lost in the midst of time for a while, i'm glad He is getting recognition in The Hollies now. "Mama (Take 1)", Carl again makes this Song His own! I have to biastly say that I prefer Jeff singing it, but that's only because I favour Jeff's Vocal's over absolutely anybody! But Carl's Version comes a very close 2nd! "Wilf's Solo (Instrumental)", Oh Wow! Don't Wilf make that Violin Sing?! Amazing use of the Violin! Just loved it! It was also nice to see Remastered Versions of "Showdown", "In Old England Town (Instrumental)", "Baby I Apologise" and "Roll Over Beethoven (Single Version)". I love the way that Rob has got around the problems of Sony, by managing to throw in a few Alternate Versions of Tracks from "OTTD"! And ofcourse, "Showdown", which was'nt originally a part of "OTTD", even though it seems like it was these Days. All in all this is an amazing package that was well worth the wait! I'd like to Personally thank Richard Tandy, Wilf Gibson and Mike De'Albuquerque for taking time out to Sign the Sleeves, I for one, am very greatful to all 3 of You! I would also like to thank all the People involved in getting this Gem to Us, including Rob Caiger, Lynn Hoskins and Peter Mew. A Job well done Guys! Thank You! Your's Truly 2003, Shaz Kuiama. (Pratt) Plymouth, England. End of Useless Information #462 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]