[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #466 April 16, 2003 In this issue: * Song Of The Week (week of 4/7): "Night Of Fear" * Roy - time for a change (cont.) * It's the same old song * ELO 2 - thank you * Move chords * Carl Wayne on the radio (13 times!) this Wednesday (cont.) * The Lost Planet (cont.) * Ayshea's "Farewell" * Drugs * ELO - No Answer and 2 / Move Reunion * Carl Wayne on the radio - increased to 16 times! * Brendan Benson & The Move (cont.) * TOTP2 * Joe Doyle's "ELO2" review ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Night Of Fear" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:42:36 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" I think Denny Cordell was a bit hit or miss on the desk too. It could have been a lot worse. Andrew Loog Oldam on production, now that would have been a mess. The early Stones stuff is mixed by a deaf man i think, bloody awful. Great songs which sound poorly mixed, i am glad the Beatles failed the Decca audition thats for sure. Lucky it was Deram and not Decca i think. Deram was part of Decca but no ALO THANK GOD! Mind you records were mixed for AM Radio and not CD. No one would of dreamed that they would still be loved after all those years. But good mix or bad mix it got the Boys a near number one. So thanks Denny. Is it true he died a few years back? What stories he could have told us. I hope that Rob may get some insight into the way the records were produced. The Idle Race were given a free run on their first album which was recorded on Sundays with the state of the art studio gear of that day. Boy would this make a great read. How was this done in those days, we take effects for granted now and can record our own songs on a PC NOW! It was not so easy then. In fact i can bet it was hard work to edit tapes and slice reversed sound effects. We marvel at the great records of the 60's but forget the other people who helped make it a great record. I would love to hear their comments on making these great records. ********** Subject: Re: Roy - time for a change Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 01:37:22 -0700 From: "Andrew Ralph" John Collins wrote: >Does everyone understand what I am saying? Yes, I understand and agree fully. Roy complains about playing the same old stuff, but he does nothing about changing it. He missed a golden opportunity to promote Main Street when it came out by not including French Perfume in his set. It is a track which has been arranged for the Wizzo Band, and it would have been relatively straightforward (with a little effort) to get the Army to play it. I bet there were plenty of people at the shows he did around the time of the release of Main Street who knew the old singles but had not even heard about the 'new' album. But the opportunity was wasted. There are plenty of other old Move, Wizzard and solo album tracks (i.e., not singles :-) ) which could be played by the Army - most of the first Move album, plus some tracks from Boulders and Mustard and OTRA. It would require some effort, and perhaps Roy can't be bothered any more, which is a shame. ********** Subject: It's the same old song Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:57:22 -0700 From: John Collins Richard Strelitz wrote: >The plaint that it is a drag to sing the same old songs is both wrong >and a slur on Roy. I don't agree with this comment, Roy (like I said in my previous post) has already admitted this. So I can't see how it can be a slur!! I tell you what a slur is though, a slur is that people think he has only ever wrote and recorded four hits! Either IWICBCE, See My Baby Jive, Flowers in The Rain or Blackberry Way. We know different. ********** Subject: ELO 2 - thank you Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:55:04 -0700 From: Gmcorie Rob you done it now. Just got through listening to ELO 2 limited [to late to be autographed]. if you were here i would kiss your feet. when i put the Cd's into the player,first i had to find my spot [you know when you have surround sound] there is one place in the room that the sound from all the speakers come together like no other. Wall of Sound. Rob to get sound that clean you must have went to space. sound so sharp it is is brittle. the purity, music so unblemished, i know i heard a pin drop at the beginning of roll over beethoven. sound of music so superl at one point i swear i was in the studio with Jeff and the Boy's. if you don't have the ELO 2 Limited Edition you need 2 Rob, Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank You !!!!!!!!for the hard Work and Heart you put into this Edition. Thank You Lynn for the Heart and hard Work you put into the List. Who without You this post would not be. ********** Subject: Move chords Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:37:30 -0700 From: countryjoe1 (Nadav) I looked all over the net but found no chords/guitar tabs for Move songs. Any chance some of you have chords and can post them here? Or maybe you know where to find them on the web? ********** Subject: Re: Move chords Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:57:13 -0700 From: "kickphoto" Nadav asked about guitar tabs, etc. List member Joel (who must be 18 or 19 by now, right Joel?) once had a website specialising in this very thing. I don't know the address though - Anyone? I've not seen a posting from Joel for some time - are you still out there matey? Regards to all, Chris Cardiff, Wales, UK. ********** Subject: Re: Move chords Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:53:13 -0700 From: Tremelo7 If you go to tabrobot.com and type in move as an artist it will turn up flowers and blackberry way and I think Chinatown...if you go to ELO I think you will find Do Ya...I found it once and i think thats where it was...maybe the players on the list should make our own sort of tab site together..........mike ********** Subject: Re: Carl Wayne on the radio (13 times!) this Wednesday Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:40:17 -0700 From: "Lynnette Cannell" > Boy, I wish I had Carl's energy. To promote the new Hollies > "Greatest Hits" 2CD that includes a brand new Hollies song, "How Do I > Survive," featuring Carl on lead vocals, he's going to be interviewed > by 13 radio stations this Wednesday, 16 April. As has been done in > recent interviews, there will probably be some chit-chat about The > Move. Blimey! Has he got his own helicopter? ********** Subject: Re: Carl Wayne on the radio (13 times!) this Wednesday Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:44:08 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins >Blimey! Has he got his own helicopter? I was wondering the same thing. Except I had one of those strap-on jet packs in mind. The answer is: Modern technology! ********** Subject: Re: The Lost Planet Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:40:08 -0700 From: Patrik Guttenbacher Lynn Hoskins writes: >I believe that "Dear Elaine" may have been intended for ELO, as when >Electric Light Orchestra first performed live (around May, 1972) that >song was in their set. I think it was introduced simply as "Elaine." On the fourth ever E.L.O. Live Concert in 1972 Roy introduced the song as: "The next song is from an album called 'Boulders' which isn't released, and called Dear Elaine." There was no mention that 'Boulders' is a Solo album, so the early concert spectators could even think, "Boulders" was a name of the next E.L.O. Album. And the track was not released as a 7" before September 1973, as an album outtake. ********** Subject: Re: The Lost Planet Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:40:12 -0700 From: Patrik Guttenbacher Rob writes: >I still believe if anything was intended for ELO, it would have been >Farewell. This was recorded in Febuary 1973, and is absolute genius. >Sadly, the stereo master tapes have been destroyed. Hi Rob, The same Farewell Roy recorded later with Ayshea? ********** Subject: Re: The Lost Planet Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:40:21 -0700 From: "davidburley" In response to my missive about possible songs/music written by Roy Wood for The Lost Planet... Kevin Kunreuther wrote >Perhaps the genesis of the idea was in the lyrics of >Boogie #1 (From The Sun To The World)... Seems to fit doesn't it? The first ELO2 recording session (including From The Sun To The World) was in May 1972. I'm not clear when the concept of the Lost Planet was formed, but Sun To The World (or Boogie No 1) was written some time earlier. I would have thought that Roy would have written something for the concept. Rob Caiger replied: >Wear A Fast Gun Part 1 and Part 2 were begun on 25 Sept. 1972. Do you mean recording started then, or the writing? If it was the recording then might Part 1 (the Roy-written bit) have been written with Lost Planet in mind? >I still believe if anything was intended for ELO, it would have been >Farewell. This was recorded in February 1973, and is absolute genius. >Sadly, the stereo master tapes have been destroyed. Intriguing. Do you mean the Ayshea single (which came out April 73?), or is there a Roy Wood or Wizzard version? Haven't heard the Ayshea single for nigh on thirty years. Didn't buy it at the time. Stupid boy... Regards David Burley Burley Towers ********** Subject: Ayshea's "Farewell" Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:26:38 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Following this thread about "Farewell", is it possible that Roy recorded it with his own vocal first then wiped it out and put Ayshea's vocal on it? It's obvious that he played all the instruments on this single. Interesting to speculate that it was written for "The Lost Planet" originally. Ahh, what might have been! Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Ayshea's "Farewell" Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:26:13 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" I do not have the Ayshea single, if i can get my hands on it i will restore it to CD. I need to locate a mint copy i will have to keep an eye out on Ebay. I send restored rare records to Rob from time to time on CDR - some sound really good. ********** Subject: Drugs Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:00:01 -0700 From: nealsrangers Would someone tell Louisiana george that Roy has never knowingly taken drugs and any experiences he writes about in that vein are from talking to friends and his imagination; making his writing even more amazing. Drink was also mentioned in a not too positive way in this last posting. I am concerned that all this waffle is getting a very picky waste of space; Roy is a brilliant song writer, most of his best being heard on albums and not, unfortunately, by the general public. He is so much more than 'the man who wrote Xmas Everyday' with amazingly diverse skills and imagination. He should be encouraged to do what he wishes and hopefully that will be writing more for us. ********** Subject: ELO - No Answer and 2 / Move Reunion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:46:02 -0700 From: frank cavaliere Hi Everybody, I've been a ROY/MOVE fanatic since my cousin turned me on to Scott Muni's "Things from England" show on WNEW-FM in NYC in 1967. That is where I first heard the music and I've been hooked since. The original United artists LP pressings of the first 2 ELO albums were terrible especially "No Answer". "Message from the Country" on UA also was pretty bad. The UK LP versions were extremely better. I just wanted to add my opinion that the 2 reissues of ELO are FANTASTIC! I surely have a new appreciation for Jeff Lynne! And finally to find out definitively that Roy is indeed on ELO 2 is joyous! I have 2 questions for all of you. Why hasn't "WIZZARD'S BREW" been officially released on CD? I know various tracks are on various CD's but why not an official release like "EDDY". My 2nd question concerns a topic that is brought up often in this forum-a MOVE reunion. Didn't this "reunion" kinda happen on April 28, 1981 at the Locarno in Birmingham, England when Roy, Bev and Ace along with Mike Hopkins played together. I have the tape and they are announced as the MOVE and play 2 Move songs (actually 3 but California Man was done twice) as well as WATCH YOUR STEP and SHAKE RATTLE AND ROLL. Doesn't that count or must we have Carl and/or Jeff involved (not to mention Trevor) in order for it to be considered a MOVE reunion. By the way, I was at the Thursday show at the Village Underground, Roy with Cheap Trick at Irving Plaza and Joint in the Woods in New Jersey in 1974. Each time, Roy was great. Thanks for taking the time to read this. ********** Subject: Re: ELO - No Answer and 2 / Move Reunion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:26:19 -0700 From: "Len Bilello" Hi All; This is Len from NYC. I'm glad to hear that there's another fan who remembers the old Scott Muni shows on WNEW-FM in the mid-late 60's and early 70's. I would never miss that show. I would go to great lengths to ensure that I had a radio with me. That was a great time with great music. The Muni show was just about our only consistent avenue to English rock, like The Move, Small Faces, T-Rex, & early Pink Floyd. here in NYC. I became so hooked on English music that I used to have albums delivered from a place called Jordan's in London regularly when I couldn't find them here. Later on my friends and I found a place in Greenwich Village called Discophile that specialized in imports. We would take frequent trips there after to school so that we didn't miss out on anything. I have read about the ELO 2 album and it's good to hear that Roy is on it. I saw ELO probably in 1971 in NYC at the Academy of Music on 14th St. Obviously Roy was not in the band by that time, but I'm also a Jeff Lynne fan. It was a great show. And if I remember correctly I did have tickets to see the Move at the Fillmore East in 1969?. There was a last minute cancellation and the band was replaced by 'Porter's Popular Preachers'!!! I have been a big Roy fan since my high school days and featured his songs in most of the bands I played in. I still play the tunes when I can. Regarding the Wizzard's Brew CD I have a copy of that CD on EMI records; No. 7243 5 21205 2 9, which was released in 1999. I believe it's an import so as far as I can tell it was released, but probably not released in the States. Finally, I missed Wizzard at the Joint in the Woods show in New Jersey in 1974 ( I had to work and the people I was going with didn't know how to get there anyway!), but I did see Roy with Cheap Trick also. I was probably at the same show as Frank was. And I did get the biggest thrill of my life to see Roy with the Army in March of 2002. I went to 2 of the shows because the show was so good. ********** Subject: Carl Wayne on the radio - increased to 16 times! Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:24:50 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins For those making plans to be near your radio Wednesday to hear one or more of Carl's interviews, please refer to the ever-changing schedule: http://www.themoveonline.com/news_carlradiosched.html The Scotland interview was cancelled, but some were added. This schedule for 16 April will be changing by the hour, so you might want to check it Wednesday morning. The first one is scheduled for 10:00am UK time. Most of the interviews will be pre-recorded (so there goes the helicopter theory ;) and they may not be airing tomorrow. I'll update the schedule as more info comes in. ********** Subject: Re: Brendan Benson & The Move Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:42:32 -0700 From: David Friedman >I'm told that Brendan Benson does one heck of a show, and he shows >excellent taste in including a fantastic Move song in his set. Thanks for the update about Brendan Benson and his love for The Move/ELO, etc. If anyone isn't familiar with his work, you have to pickup his debut album "One Mississippi" (Virgin, 1996). Its probably out of print, but I received a promo copy from a contact at EMI upon release and I played it non-stop for 6 months. Also, he has been known to work with another big Move/ELO fan, Jason Falkner of solo, Jellyfish and the Grays fame. Some great power pop (no wonder, he has great taste). Go check it out! ********** Subject: TOTP2 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:44:13 -0700 From: "Lynnette Cannell" Those of you in Britain might be interested to know that the Steve Gibbons Band were on totp2 tonight. Not sure if it is, as usual, repeated on Saturday evening. Couldnt help wondering where Trevor's horse had gone, though!! ********** Subject: ELO2 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:40:32 -0700 From: "Joe Doyle" Take a bow Mr C! Yet another Rolls Royce job from "Robin Hood" Caiger & Co. (he steals from the rich record company vaults and distributes to us poor starving fans!!). When the Electric Light Orchestra First Light CD's were issued, I said that it was the best retroactive package I had ever seen. I stand by that now, as I prefer the music itself over the second album, on the whole, but the latest release is still a fantastic effort, that has obviously had endless hours of dedication poured into it by too many to mention. And what an end result. Lynn asked what do we like about the package, well for me there's nothing to dislike that's for sure. The packaging itself is first rate, another great job by Gill in laying it all out. Previously unseen photo's, band member interviews, little known or previously unknown information regarding the band and the album itself, track history's, poster reproductions - there's just so much for the avid fan to digest: and that's before the CD's even hit the turntable..... As for the music itself, I think that Rob's hit the formula nail right on the head. I know that it takes aeons of research, sleuthing and listening to long lost tapes to recover the original tracks and the end result must make it all worthwhile for everybody involved. For the fans, well we get spoiled rotten with progressive versions of the songs, previously unreleased material, hidden bonus tracks and great remastering to improve on the listening experience of even the original tracks. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and I have no doubt that I will continue to play tracks here and there, often hearing something new that I missed on a previous hearing. I will continue to pick up the booklets and read and re-read them over and over again. I'm still doing it with the first release and have no doubt I'll continue to do so with this master-work. This is not just an album or a retrospective package. Like the first release, it is a historical document - if only history was this enthralling when I was at school!! Rob will have bent shoulders from all of the pats on the back, if we're not careful - but thanks again Rob. In addition to the package itself, the spin off benefits are great too. Just look at the great debate on this list. Surely, as long as some airplay is forthcoming for this and the other pending releases, the wider public also have their attention drawn back to the bands and their music. I'll bet the Woody site receives a number of entries in it's Guest Book after this, asking about other music that's available. I recall that it did after the first release. Now if Lynn isn't just winding us up ;) this has also caught Roy's attention - the slug awakes? Anything, simply anything, that peeks Roy's interest has got to be a huge Brucy Bonus. We all know that of 1000 ideas or inspirations, Roy will only be productive out of one or two. However, even he must sit up and listen, if he continues to see that there are any number of people out there who are still prepared to buy (again in some cases) his earlier material and continue to cry out for new music off the man. With all of the activity over the last year or two, including re-releases, NYC, Roy working again with Carl, we can only hope that the cumulative force of the general activity and interest in his and Jeff's music, working closely again with somebody who has a track record of getting Roy to produce (1 locked hotel room, 1 bottle of whisky, 1 sleepless night and we had Fire Brigade...) will ultimately have it's affect. I think that Rob's using his contacts, his dedication and his continued marvelous results to slowly build a cumulative pressure that the old bugger won't be able to ignore, but will eventually be roused into waking up and producing the high calibre new music that we know his genius is capable of. Let's hope that he succeeds! I digress. Back to ELO2. Is there anything missing at all for me? Well a video, as we had on the first release, would have been very nice and I personally would have liked to have seen the American cover reproduced inside one of the booklets (I don't own a copy....). These things are minor though, and certainly not complaints. The autograph's were just the icing on the cake. Very tasty indeed...... A question or three. In the booklets there's a reproduction of the Reading Festival concert that the "new" band debuted at. Interesting to see that Wizard (sic) were on the same bill. Anybody go to that concert? What were the tracks played by the two bands, what were the respective performances like and was this the only time that the two bands shared a bill? Great to see so many new members on the list and I like the NYC retro postings. Is it a year already? I have to reiterate everything I've seen to date regarding NYC. It was simply an experience of a lifetime. It was worth it all just to meet the loonies that populate the list. Joe, Lynn, Rob, Rev. Plastic Ono, Tim, John, Mike, Greg and partial family, Lone Star Larry and a host of others too numerous to mention (but did I mention that I met Roy and got a back stage pass... :). Then there were the concerts themselves and finally The Big Apple itself. It was only my second visit and I think I walked the whole lower half of Manhattan. Certainly a place I'll revisit. Must say, I have a tendency to agree with Lynn's subtle hints. Maybe the Army has run it's course. Maybe Roy needs to get a new band together, of more accomplished musicians (no disrespect to the Army) that will enable him to stretch himself once more, hopefully into the studio.... Back under my rock. Joe2 End of Useless Information #466 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. 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