[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #468 April 21, 2003 In this issue: * I can't take it anymore! * Live At The Fillmore * Lost planet review - Carl Wayne tracks * ELO 2 expanded/remastered (cont.) * Song Of The Week (week of 4/7): "Night Of Fear" * Only 84 days to go... * The Move - British Legends * Weighing in, Looking On * Carl/ELO2 Evening Mail Review * Appreciation for Roy Wood * One Year Ago... Mojo reviews Roy's NYC shows ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: I can't take it anymore! Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:36:28 -0700 From: kakman1 You know everybody, I can't stand listening to either "Shazam" I have on CD anymore. Has anyone recorded real nice version from the original vinyl on CD-R that recaptures most of what we all like about this wonderful classic, including the false start on "Don't Make My Baby Blue"? I would happily pay costs of CD-R, jewel case, and shipping and insurance. For all we know, whomever made the DAT tapes, could have sliced up the Shazam tapes or left them out in the open and they got thrown out in the trash by the cleanup crew (a similar fate happened to the original recording of 'Rael' by the Who during the many disparate sessions that became "The Who Sell Out"). I would feel better knowing some sound engineer fan absconded with the masters and has it squirreled away in some bank vault, but I doubt that happened. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Live At The Fillmore Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:36:33 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" If all Move members would benefit financially from Live At The Fillmore being released, why wouldn't they agree on doing it? Wake up, Roy, Carl, Rick & Bev...we all wanna buy it! Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Lost planet review - Carl Wayne tracks Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 02:32:47 -0700 From: Tulyar Review of 'Lost Planet' tracks with Carl Wayne involvement. (Sorry its a little late - work eh?) Track 6, 7 & 8 of 'Lost Planet' are a revelation both to fans of the Move and ELO. As described in the sleeve notes these tracks were almost forgotten about so their discovery (spot the pun!) is pleasing and a fascinating eye opener. Track Six 'Your World' reveals Jeff Lynne's ability to construct a song that both grabs the attention and then lodges it deep, deep in your conciousness. As an analogy it's like a 'Looney Tune' short where Character One swipes at Character Two with a sword. Character Two says 'Ha - missed' then turns to walk away and falls in two pieces! This tune is the musical equivalent, I have found myself driving along without any music on the radio and suddenly burst into the chorus. Aaaargh! The song itself is all 'The Move' revisited and indeed the irony is that Carl doing the Lead vocal whilst his 'Move' replacement is relegated to lead guitar is an interesting mix. It leads the question how formidable would a Lynne, Wayne, Wood partnership in a band have been? Carl's voice soars and peaks and is deeply laden with elements of soul and sends the hair up on the back of your neck. In the background Jeffs guitar sings and whines in stlye last heard on 'Message from the Country' all in all a glorious and almost nostalgic song well worth a revamp and release. Track 7 - Get a Hold..etc. The pace changes on this song and also through the song itself with Jeff upping the tempo for the chorus and slowing down for the verses. Yet another excellent performance from CW. Why didn't this man become as huge a star in his own right? I rather like the end section of this number - being an ex drummer with a certain amount of musical experience - it moves quickly but in a manner that suggests it is balancing on a knife edge with collapse imminent with its complicated rhythm and bouncing tempo - glorious! Track 8 - Momma. Here's a nice tune - it is one of my early period favourites - missing the strings but showing that Jeff Lynne's tune are so adaptable. Jeff almost echoed this performance with the 'Flashback' edited version. the song with its melancholic overtones seems to end up feeling summery and delightfully light. I personally think that the drumming on this is a little heavy and could have been toned down perhaps and Richard finding his feet with the Moog pulls in a good performance. Obviously as this is take one they never got round to sorting out the ending. In summary these three important tracks will appeal to fans of 'ELO' and 'The Move' and our thanks go to Rob Caiger for his hard work in finding them and bringing them to light for our pleasure. Also its nice to know that Carl Wayne wouldn't mind re recording the songs - I'll put my name down for a copy of that CD now! [Note: For those new to the list, you can order "ELO 2" by visiting the dedicated ELO 2 website - part of the Face The Music site - at http://www.ftmusic/com/elo2 - Lynn] ********** Subject: Re: ELO 2 expanded/remastered Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:01:46 -0700 From: "Rob Caiger" Anything with The Move that involves getting all three of the legally recognised members to actually agree, at the same time - and put it in writing - is always a challenge... It could be put into action tomorrow if we had that. Lets see... Rob Face The Music Online - www.ftmusic.com The official information service for ELO & all related artists ********** Subject: Re: ELO 2 expanded/remastered Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:38:19 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" Rob wrote: >Looking On I've found most of the multitracks except What? and >Brontosaurus and the stereo masters. Shazam there are no tapes >whatsoever, multi's or mixed masters. Whoever produced the DAT's for >which the first CD's were produced from didn't return the tapes..... Great news and very sad news at the same time. Looking On pretty much found, Shazam still missing! Pre Idle Race Tapes stolen! Abbey Road session by Denny Laine and the Diplomats found. Cube records appear to have lost Shazam tapes. That is a bad blow. They were the fools who did that horrid edit to the album on the forth reissue of that and the Move first. The last high quality Shazam was on Fly Records. The third reissue the first on Cube records did have the original mix but the sound quality was has bad as Movement CD Set. Though these were all record's the Regal Zonophone and Fly Records were stunning! Everything the CD version is not. Rob will have to have the original album copied at Abbey Road if the worse comes to the worst. That will still sound fantastic but alas the master tape would have been amazing. We must not give up hope. The Stolen and lost Tapes can still turn up. Abbey Road got their stolen Beatles Master Tapes back a few months ago so never say never. If it can be done Rob will pull it off! ********** Subject: Re: ELO 2 expanded/remastered Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 02:21:48 -0700 From: "Ryan Boni" >Here's the working plan for the next 5 years - and yes, some may >not >happen, but then again...: > >MESSAGE FROM THE COUNTRY (REMASTERED EXPANDED EDITION) >ROY WOOD THE WIZZARD - An Outstanding Collection Of Songs Vol.1 >ROY WOOD'S WIZZARD - WIZZARD BREW (REMASTERED EXPANDED EDITION) >ROY WOOD THE WIZZARD - An Outstanding Collection Of Songs Vol.2 >CARL WAYNE & ROY WOOD - SONGS FROM THE WOOD >ACE KEFFORD - ACE THE FACE >VARIOUS ARTISTS - ELO-SOLO >ROY WOOD - MUSTARD (REMASTERED EXPANDED EDITION) >ROY WOOD & WIZZARD - EDDIE & THE FALCONS (REMASTERED EXPANDED EDITION) >ON THE ROAD AGAIN - ROY WOOD (REMASTERED EXPANDED EDITION) >SUPERACTIVE WIZZO - ROY WOOD (REMASTERED EXPANDED EDITION) >BRUM ROCKS! - A MIDLAND BEAT ANTHOLOGY >CARL WAYNE & THE VIKINGS - ANTHOLOGY >THE IDLE RACE - 4-CD BOX SET ANTHOLOGY > >And that's excluding all The Move pre-EMI releases, ELO Collections >and some projects we can't mention yet. Okay Rob, you've got to stop doing this to us!!! My heart's again racing a thousand miles an hour (I may faint soon) and I'm already having to make plans to save up a LOT of money over the next 5 years!!! ********** Subject: Re: ELO 2 expanded/remastered Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:02:08 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" Ryan wrote: >Okay Rob, you've got to stop doing this to us!!! My heart's again >racing a thousand miles an hour (I may faint soon) and I'm already >having to make plans to save up a LOT of money over the next 5 years!!! Thats 14 plus the first 3 Move albums plus 2 Move comps plus Mike Sheridan plus what could be 2 wizzard Live CD's if Roy allows them released. Early Live Move stuff could also turn up too! More than 20 now i bet. Start saving my friends, i for one do not want to miss any! The first 2 show have good the rest will be, i can already see the stampede for MFTC! ********** Subject: Re: Song of the week: "Night of Fear" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:01:08 -0700 From: Gmcorie would someone tell 'nealsrangers' that i didn't mean to imply that Roy takes drugs in any way. excussssssse me! in my opinion i still think Night of Fear could have been about a night of fun on drug's [LSD] that went south. look at the lyrics. then again could be about a drunk dwarf in a base drum. only Roy know's for sure. this is a discussion group of which i have only been in the group about a year now. of which i have never seen a post of yours. feel free to take part in the debates, but get your facts right before you open your mouth. no where in any of my posts have i ever mentioned anything about a "drink" of any kind shape or form. i beg you to show me where. louisiana george ********** Subject: Only 84 days to go... Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:04:34 -0700 From: Silvereagleuk All the negative comments on the list will be forgotten when ROY WOOD and his fabulous ARMY get to close the 'greatest event of its kind in Europe'... Yes 'the main man' will be bringing the massive Americana International festival to a resounding close... On Sunday evening at approximately 7pm the man who many seem to be writing off, will show exactly why 'we' consider him to be one of the all-time greatest singer songwriters to come out of the UK... Already snowed under with hundreds of enquiries as to which day and what time etc they will be on stage....It certainly looks like bettering the massive crowds we had last year for the 'much' missed belated LONNIE DONEGAN who just blew everybody away with a stunning performance... So those of you who seemed to be 'cheesed off' with Roy's lack of interest, if you can attend the festival, be prepared to be gobsmacked by his best ever performance.. Visit our web site for more info: www.americana-international.co.uk/ Chris R Jackson ********** Subject: The Move - British Legends Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:04:26 -0700 From: Peter Grenville Greetings all! Quick de-lurk, to advise you that Mr Wood and Chums are appearing shortly on a UK Album - Capital FM Legends CD series - 'British Legends'. The full track listing reads: Disc: 1 1. Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody 2. Robbie Williams - Angels 3. David Bowie - Life On Mars 4. Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade Of Pale 5. The Kinks - Waterloo Sunset 6. Rod Stewart - Maggie May 7. Chris Farlowe - Out Of Time 8. Elvis Costello and the Attractions - Oliver's Army 9. Bryan Ferry & Roxy Music - Virginia Plain 10. Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls 11. Petula Clark - Downtown 12. Shirley Bassey - Goldfinger 13. Paul McCartney and Wings - Live And Let Die 14. Ian Dury & The Blockheads - Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick 15. Culture Club - Karma Chameleon 16. Madness - It Must Be Love 17. The Small Faces - Itchycoo Park 18. Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill 19. The Stranglers - Golden Brown 20. Ultravox -- Vienna 21. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells Disc: 2 1. John Lennon & The Plastic Ono Band - Imagine 2. Fleetwood Mac - Albatross 3. 10cc - I'm Not In Love 4. Clifford T Ward - Home Thoughts From Abroad 5. Elton John - Rocket Man (I Think It's Going To Be A Long, Long Time) 6. Spandau Ballet - True 7. The Hollies - He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother 8. The Move - Blackberry Way <---------- ! 9. Gerry Rafferty - Baker Street 10. Duran Duran - Ordinary World 11. Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel - Make Me Smile (Come Up And See Me) 12. Tom Jones feat. The Stereophonics - Mama Told Me Not To Come 13. The Animals - The House Of The Rising Sun 14. The Shadows - Apache 15. Cliff Richard - We Don't Talk Anymore 16. The Zombies - She's Not There 17. T'pau - China In Your Hand 18. Dusty Springfield - You Don't Have To Say You Love Me 19. XTC - Senses working overtime 20. Phil Collins - In The Air Tonight I say! Top job what?!! Have a lovely easter everyone! Peter Grenville ********** Subject: Re: The Move - British Legends Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:27:51 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" As much as I love "Blackberry Way", there could have been a better choice for this collection. No doubt chosen because it was their only UK #1. And it would have been very cool to include a Wizzard track, thereby covering Roy's most prominent phases. Nevertheless, nice to see Roy & the boys in such distinguished company! Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Weighing in, Looking On Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:27:33 -0700 From: "Drew Jacobs" After reading everyone's posts about the ELO 2 reissue, I just wanted to simply say "It's Excellent!" Great job, Rob! Keep up the Great Work! I am definitely looking forward to the projects you outlined for the next five years! Drew Jacobs Latham, NY PS: Did anyone get to see "The Shazam" at the Village Underground this week? News/Reviews Please! ********** Subject: Carl/ELO2 Evening Mail Review Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:53:32 -0700 From: "val burgess" Taken from the Birmingham Evening Mail April 18th. 'TOP SPOT ON NEW ALBUM' The Move's Carl Wayne as lead singer of the Electric Light Orchestra? Well, not quite but the Birmingham-born singer, currently fronting The Hollies, appears on three Jeff Lynne numbers on a just released album. ELO2, originally in the shops in 1973, has been remastered and repackaged with a bonus rarities disc, The Lost Planet. Included are songs from an abandoned concept record, BBC sessions and the three Wayne tracks penned by Lynne, Your World, Get A Hold Of Myself and Mama. The new tracks were written for Carl by Jeff Lynne who also reworked ELO's Momma for him. "I was pleased to sing those songs with Jeff but I'd be more interested in singing them again now", reveals Carl, "I would love to interpret a dozen of Jeff's songs from scratch, sit down with some great players and see what we could come up with". Carl Wayne and The Hollies play The Royal Spa Centre, Newbold Terrace, Leamington Spa, on Wednesday 23rd April. For tickets call 01926 334418 END. ********** Subject: Appreciation for Roy Wood Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 04:28:53 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins The more the Internet evolves, the more armchair music critics it breeds. By the thousands, it seems. I mean, it's just so easy to sit down at your computer and bang out criticisms and analyses and subjective sizing-ups - and then all you have to do is hit the "Send" button and viola! You're published! Now don't get me wrong... I'm not putting down this growing phenomenon. After all, everybody's got an opinion, and music groups are a great way to share yours and learn what others think. It's mentally stimulating, and it beats doing laundry. But something I've noticed, moreso over the past year, is that it's just barely acceptable to post appreciation and compliments alone. Somehow, for some reason, unless your message includes at least one strong criticism, your opinions lack validity. You're labeled by some as a "suck up." (Sucking up to whom, I'm never sure.) If you highlight the negative and include some harsh words, you're praised for telling it like it is. I'm generalizing a bit, I realize, but I've been an active participant on music mailing lists since the early 90's and I've definitely noticed a trend. Bringing things closer to home, here on the Move List, I recently received a couple e-mails from list members who said they got a private mail put-down for posting how much they like Roy's music. I wouldn't believe it...except that it's happened to me. For some reason I saved this e-mail. Let me quote it: "Seeing as how this list is run by someone who does nothing but suck up to Roy Wood and is incapable of seeing the truth, I hereby depart." I wasn't upset by this person. I felt sad for them. Sad that they were so uncomfortable around another person (virtually speaking) who feels absolute joy and delight when listening to Roy Wood's music. Because I'm not hypercritical of Roy career or body of work, that means I'm a suck-up and can't see the "truth"? What, exactly, IS the truth? Isn't music supposed to be a personal thing? And seeing as Roy isn't on this list, how is it I'm sucking up to him? The mind boggles. Roy Wood's music affects me in ways that are difficult to explain. It's strange, profound, moving, inspiring, and truly original, and I could never grow tired of it. And that's MY truth. I enjoy all the different personalities on this list, all the different perspectives, and the different opinions. Negatives and positives, gushing and nitpicking, it's all good. Some people are simply more critical than others. And that's fine! It works out to be a good balance of ideas and information. To those who are under the impression that it's not okay to post your comments unless you're critical, let me tell you something. There is nothing wrong with your unabashed appreciation for Roy Wood. I refer you to David Fricke's review of Roy Wood's Army in NYC (to follow this post.) Fricke is one of the finest and most respected reviewers in the country. And he saw no shame in gushing over his hero. In fact, when we spoke on the phone prior to the shows, he said to me, "There isn't a Roy Wood song I don't love. He is a rare and wonderful talent." I could imagine the sparkle in his eyes when he said this, as I grinned from ear to ear. Leave the criticizing to those who are comfortable being critical. If you're not, then tell us what you love about a song, or an album. On this list are many, many people who have something in common: an appreciation for Roy Wood. And I do so enjoy it here. ********** Subject: One Year Ago... Mojo reviews Roy's NYC shows Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 04:29:10 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins [Re-send] Subject: Mojo reviews Roy's NYC shows Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:56:24 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Hope you all enjoy this rather exceptional review of Roy's NYC shows, written by a rather exceptional music critic. ---- Mojo Magazine June, 2002 Roy Wood's Army New York City, Village Underground In his first US concert in 28 years, the ex-Move-ELO-Wizzard man invades New York with an army of women. "I'm a songwriter rather than a performer," Roy Wood confessed, then did his best to show it. Halfway through his first US concert since 1974, the eccentric master of British psychedelic pop and big band glam said he needed to rest his voice and handed the spotlight to his female back-up singers for a cabaret whirl through the Fontella Bass hit Rescue Me. It's a fair bet that Wood hasn't played a club this small since The Move's blazing nights at The Marquee. Confronted with three decades of pent-up yankee love in this basement room, he proved there's no substitute for hearing 10 of British pop's biggest and brightest hits played and sung by the composer, in a youthful tenor that betrayed few of his 55 years. There were three UK Number 1s and another eight Top 10s, if you include the Brontosaurus intro, virtually none of which he played here with Wizzard in '74. The Move only visited the US once, in 1969, and Wood's last New York showing was a six-song tease at a '90s benefit, backed by Cheap Trick. So it was easy to forgive any awkwardness here. This was my record collection - come to life. Wood's specialty is ecstatic pastiche: huge echoes of Spector in Angel Fingers and Forever; a jolt of Scotty Moore guitar amid the Ellington-via-Alan Freed brass of Ball Park Incident. But inside his library of references, Wood wrestles joy from melancholy. He writes and sings best about dancing on the precipice of madness and looking for a ray of light in the rain, as he did in the Move hits I Can Hear The Grass Grow and the sad, stirring Blackberry Way - perfect specimens of grand pop as great medicine. Wood still has magic to spare. He ended, two days after the start of spring, with the exuberant unseasonable I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day. But when I walked outside, as the taped children's choir faded ("When the snowman brings the snow...") it was snowing. Perfect. David Fricke Set List: Brontosaurus overture / California Man / Ball Park Incident / Fire Brigade / The House Of Love / Kiss Me Goodnight Boadicea / Medley: Angel Fingers, Forever, Flowers In The Rain / Rescue Me / Roy's Revenge / Big Girl's Blues / Are You Ready To Rock? / See My Baby Jive / Blackberry Way / I Can Hear The Grass Grow / I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day ********** Subject: Re: Appreciation for Roy Wood Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:45:03 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Lynn & all "suck-upers" on this list, I've always known that being a fan of Roy Wood's music is sort of like being in an exclusive club that requires a "secret password" to get in to. What our ears hear seems to escape what the average listener hears, for some peculiar reason. Way back in 1970 I would excitedly play "Shazam" for friends and it would generally be met with yawns..."Umm, got any Allman Bros. or Foghat?" were typical comments. And so began a "curse" that was put on Roy here in the states that, sadly, has never been eradicated. Only a select few "got it". While I've continued raving about Roy's music through the years and often try to explain what an innovator he has been, breaking new ground and employing unique techniques in the studio that no one else had thought of, people just go..."Roy who?" It is perplexing and frustrating to say the least. Those who criticize are probably just casual fans or simply don't understand what the man was trying to do on a particular recording. Admittedly, there have been a few times over the years when I've scratched my head and said "Hmmm...well, Roy, I'm not too sure about this one". Case in point would be "Super Active Wizzo", a subject of much pro & con debate on this list. It took a long time and repeated listenings before all the nuances of that album finally made sense to me. I recently converted the album to CD and it seems to be even better in the digital format. Our friend in Chile, Bernardo, requested a copy of it and was so bowled over by it that he immediately played it for a friend of his who became an instant fan. So "one never knows, do one"? Here we are debating it's merits while it is making new fans in South America. Go figure... The point is...music is music. It's simply a question of whether one has an ear to hear the music that is created and derive pleasure from it. To my ears, at least, even what I might consider the most mediocre of Roy's music is still light years ahead of most of the drek that's out there these days. That is why it is essential that Roy be allowed to create new music and to do it because he wants to, not to bow to record company pressure or anything else except for his pleasure in creating it and our pleasure in listening to it. Wizzrds, Tyler End of Useless Information #468 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. 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