[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #469 April 24, 2003 In this issue: * Roy Wood at Festival Too 18 July * Record Collector * Appreciation for Roy Wood (cont.) * Tear the roof off the mother sucker! * Roy and Jethro Tull * ELO 2 the Carl Wayne tracks * Song Of The Week (week of 4/14): "This Is The Story Of My Love (Baby)" * Shazam and Movements * ELO 2: Roll Over B. / Who did the edit on R.O.B.? * Move chords (cont.) * Eddy and the Falcons * Ayshea's "Farewell" (cont.) * Autograph ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Roy Wood at Festival Too 18 July Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:45:57 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins "Festival Too" is the name of it, July 12-19 at Tuesday Market Place in Kings Lynn, Norfolk. Roy performs on Friday, 18 July. You can check the website below for the programme of events, but here are the two big music nights: Friday 18 July - Edison Lighthouse plus Roy Wood Saturday 19 July - Local group After Hours plus stars of The Commitments and Suzi Quatro and her band Website: http://www.lynnnews.co.uk/ftpinc/lynndata/festtoo/index.html No ticket info as of yet. And of course Roy Wood's Army will also be performing at Americana International 13 July at The County Showground, Nottinghamshire. Tickets are £15. Website: http://www.americana-international.co.uk/ These are a long way off, so there will be more reminders. ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood at Festival Too 18 July Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:10:12 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins >No ticket info as of yet. Ahem. That's because it's FREE. ;) ********** Subject: Record Collector Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:14:27 -0700 From: "Rob Caiger" Nice shots of The Hollies (page 31) and The Move from 1966 (page 27 and 39) in the new colour relaunch of Record Collector, part of a special feature on Brit-psyche album art from the late 60's. No reviews of ELO 2 though (they got it too late - next issue). Best - Rob ********** Subject: Re: Appreciation for Roy Wood Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:05:55 -0700 From: Joe Ramsey Lynn Hoskins wrote: >"Seeing as how this list is run by someone who does nothing but suck >up to Roy Wood and is incapable of seeing the truth, I hereby depart." Geeze... I feel left out that I haven't received a letter. I am an unabashed Roy Wood music lover. People have run from my house well into the wee hours SCREAMING for me to turn off Wizzard Brew. But I won't. And if I had a better stereo, I'd play it even louder (but it would STILL be as distorted as all get-out!). Lynn's descriptions of reviewers is spot on. There is a guy that writes for the All Music Guide (his name escapes me as I consider him one of the most unimportant people on earth) who seems to have a cookie cutter mold for writing reviews. He says all good things up to the very end and then completely writes off the artist with the last sentence with some all-encompassing negative. Too bad. About the worst thing that I can say about Roy Wood's music is that there isn't enough of it. But with boneheads like the one that I describe above, I understand why a lot of artists aren't more prolific. When these lists started (Thanks to "suck-up" Lynn), just about the weirdest thing that could have happened would be for Jeff Lynne to do another ELO album, let alone perform live as ELO. Both happened... and guess what? Some negative criticism from the fans(!!!). I guess hoping that a not single minute had passed since "Out Of The Blue." Unbelievable to me as I thought ZOOM to be excellent and I can't tell you how exciting and fun the PBS shows were to see. True, the band was different. Some songs were a bit updated and two beautifully elegant woman played the cellos rather than hairy hippies in platforms and bell bottoms. Jeff Lynne had his lady love sing harmonies (and, completely shattering the "Yolo Ono Syndrome," was excellent throughout the show). Woody's Army at the Village Underground? Unbelievably fun. Great. What can I say... the great man six feet away from me singing "Blackberry Way." (Hows that for an unbiased review? Ha ha...) I loved it. But that's just me... I'm incapable of objectively reviewing any member of the Move. Just that they still get out and do it is an inspiration to me. They've all given me so many wonderful musical moments and through some youthful rough patches when music may have been my one and only lifeline, that anything that I get now is a *bonus*. And I'm still digesting the new ELO 2 package. A re-mastered, re-release compiled by a true fan who knows what the hell he is doing. Can it get much better? I don't think so. Well yes, it can. ***Message From The Country*** remastered, retouched, reblocked... with bonus tracks and artist liner notes (c'mon, Roy!), but I digress... So as Ricky Nelson once sang, "You can't please everyone so you gotta please yourself." And the Beatles sang, "Please Please Me." And the Stones sang "Please allow me to introduce myself..." And James Brown sang Please Please Please. Please out. ********** Subject: Re: Appreciation for Roy Wood Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:49:55 -0700 From: "Leonard Bilello" I totally agree with Tyler and others who have responded to Lynn. I don't know what it is but something continually draws me to Roy's music like no other artist. Whenever I tried to share his music with my friends it was always met with disinterest annoyance and an overwhelming desire for me to stop playing it. It only made me play more and include some of the louder bits like especially from the Wizzard's brew collection. The only person who liked his music turned out to be my cousin. My wife and kids do not like hearing any of his tunes. I was able to convert my wife temporarily when I brought her to see the Army in NYC last year. ********** Subject: Re: Appreciation for Roy Wood Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:11:55 -0700 From: Richard Messum And loving someone means loving them in spite of what one sees as their faults. What we might call in Roy a crippling fear of success (i.e. consistent failure to capitalize on glories, utter lack of new material, etc., etc.) is frustrating to all of us as fans, certainly. But if he's content doing what he's doing (or not doing, rather), then more power to him. We shouldn't be badgering him to make another record until he's ready. What he has already recorded is a magnificent body of work, which i would be perfectly happy to listen to until doomsday. He may never record another note, and that'll be ok, he's already achieved immortality. It's EXASPERATING, though...!!!!!! Frustrated, Richard n.p., Paul McCartney, "Flaming Pie," oh, and did i mention that i was frustrated? ********** Subject: Re: Appreciation for Roy Wood Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:45:20 -0700 From: kakman1 "Seeing as how this list is run by someone who does nothing but suck up to Roy Wood and is incapable of seeing the truth, I hereby depart." Now that has gotta be the over reaction of the year (or was this e-mail from a certain person who many of us know that had loved to be more than over-critical departed the list last year). Yes Lynn there's absolutely nothing wrong with gushing. Even R. Christgau, who seems to find fault with anything and everybody has one artist and one album that he practically creams in his pants about (for those keeping score, it's Rubber Soul by das Beatles, yah, both UK & USA versions, with U.S. hybrid "Yesterday and Today" a close second). And yes, there's nothing wrong with criticism of your fave artist, too, and sharing your views with others. Sharing views, dreams, visions, events, adventures, fantasies, all that is what this and other lists are all about. It just makes me roll my eyes that someone got their nose completely out of joint because your critical faculties were skewed by this person's standard. What an anal retentive fascist! Was that person bucking for your position like P. Cohen was craving Rob's? I suppose I'm just sucking up to Lynn now, since I seem incapable of criticising her performance and her opinions. Anybody wanna step outside and make something of it? ;0[ (kidding kidding!) As far as truth goes, as Hunter Davies, in his published official biography of the Beatles in 1968, noted, Truth is divided by the number of people involved. The more people involved, the more truth there is! (okay, the second sentence is my own invention.) And to paraphrase a certain quote from Aaron Sorkin's play "A Few Good Men", some people can't handle the truth (unless it's their own)! In short, some kids never learned to play ball others, and are never gonna' learn. And that is sad. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Tear the roof off the mother sucker! Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:12:20 -0700 From: Plastic Ono Dream hey! who the suck had the sucking nerve to attack our lynn hoskins off list! i say suck off to that sucking idiot...hey lynn...who was it? i agree with list faves "jpjo" "kakman" & the wonderfully generous tyler sherman. in fact i had a similar experience when cheap trick was having a hit with "california man". i was running around like a maniac playing people the original move version, back then from my vinyl "split ends" of course. the reaction? "this sucks! cheap trick's is better!" i gave up trying to convert those who don't "get" roy wood long ago. i read once where jon bon jovi said he never "got" talking heads. personally i never "got" the grateful dead...or bon jovi. so if loving roy wood means we're sucking up to him (and as lynn wrote, he doesn't read this sucking list, we're not writing to HIM fer sucksakes, this is a sucking discussion list!) i will continue to suck, & suck & love everyone on this list. ********** Subject: Roy and Jethro Tull Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:39:51 -0700 From: Shawn Rush I just bought the re-mastered cd called 'Thick As A Brick", and saw on the liner notes that Roy played sax on the l.p. I didn't know that...... (just wanted to pass it on) ********** Subject: Re: Roy and Jethro Tull Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:51:34 -0700 From: Richard Messum Shawn Rush wrote: >I just bought the re-mastered cd called 'Thick As A Brick", and saw >on the liner notes that Roy played sax on the l.p. Gosh, i've had that album for thirty years, and i didn't know either. In fact, i've just had a look through the huge fold-out "newspaper" that came with the original vinyl release and it makes no mention of any guest artists except for un-named performers in a "brief orchestral passage." RW's name omitted for contractual reasons, perhaps? ********** Subject: Re: Roy and Jethro Tull Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:56:07 -0700 From: Bob Hughes the original liner notes claim that Ian Anderson played all the sax parts, also trumpet and violin. I'm pretty sure Anderson did play sax on Passion Play and War Child. At least those parts don't sound like Roy Wood (who has a very distinctive Royness to his sound no matter what instrument he's playing.) ********** Subject: ELO 2 the Carl Wayne tracks Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:50:42 -0700 From: "Dennis Cattel" Have always been fascinated by CDs that have 'lost' or 'recently found' tracks on them, and these three tracks are no exception. Presumably for some months after recording they would be somewhere near the front of Carl or Jeff's mind, eg 'when do we finish the tracks' or 'when's the next session then cos that one went so well' or 'which one's the single then?' so AT WHAT POINT did people just forget about them and move on to other things? Thirty years, just spend a few moments on thinking just how long that is.....thirty years!! And suddenly some exciting music becomes a piece of history eg like when the government releases papers under the thirty year rule :-) ! Another thing I wanted to raise/ask came to mind in the recent talk of tracks that Roy did with Ayshea, presumably the stunning brunette who hosted 'Liftoff' in the early 1970s? Where/what does she do these days? ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "This is The Story Of My Love (Baby)" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:12:08 -0700 From: Gmcorie can anyone tell me what the difference between the 3 Roy Wood & Wizzard [This Is The Story Of My Love] songs are. On Eddy & The Falcons the Lp [TITSOML] is 5:44 minutes. On Roy Wood & Wizzard [TITSOML] is 4:15 minutes. On Best Of Roy Wood & Wizzard [TITSOML] is 5:06 minutes ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "This is The Story Of My Love (Baby)" Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:39:30 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" George, I believe these are simply edits and early fade outs. The original, complete version is, of course, on the "Eddie" album. Some compilers choose to edit or fade out Roy's songs early. "This is the story..." is just one example. UA here in the states edited nearly all Move/Roy solo singles. I didn't know about the slide solo in "Chinatown" till the "Split Ends" album came out. The harmonium/guitar intro on "Songs Of Praise" was lopped off and the song faded out early as well on the single. So there you go. I hope that answers your question. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "This is The Story Of My Love (Baby)" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:51:10 -0700 From: Richard Messum Tyler wrote: "I believe these are simply edits and early fade outs." Presumably it's the same thing with "Roll over Beethoven," then? I don't have the new version of "ELO II" yet (i'll be ordering it this week), but on the original vinyl it's timed at 8:05, on the "Afterglow" box it's 8:08, and on "Strange Magic" it's 8:09. (I can't listen and compare atm, as my sound system is out of action, alas.) ********** Subject: Re: Shazam and Movements Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:54:23 -0700 From: kakman1 Not to be too mean, but John Plott's opinion of 'Shazam' and 'Looking On' read as if they were pulled from his plotz. It makes me wonder, did he actually listen to either album? Well, it's okay if he prefers 'Looking On' over 'Shazam', but his commentary makes me wonder if he actually gave both albums more than a cursory spin. Well, I'm not going to agonize too much over this now, in a couple of years we'll have new remastered and complete versions of The Move's ouvre with new accurate and entertaining commentary with great photos, graphics, etcetera. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: ELO 2: Roll Over B. Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:36:42 -0700 From: Don Share Can someone tell me if the longer, i.e., 8+ minutes version, of "Roll Over Beethoven" is on the new First Light release?? I think that version was originally on a German LP, and though I don't have it, I think it was on the "Strange Magic" comp. ********** Subject: Who did the edit on R.O.B.? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:36:18 -0700 From: kakman1 O.K. I'm going to pretend I'm a real thick Mr.Gumby for a minute here. Let me get my handkerchief on my head now ... Thick glasses, knee pants, braces, O.K. we're all set ... I've read the booklets on ELO 2 and Lost Planet til I'm blue and I got papercuts on my thumbs. I got callusses on my fingertips and thumb clicking all over the website. Where does it say that Jeff Lynne actually cut the edit for the single version of Roll Over Beethoven? And for that matter, did he do every edit of Roll Over Beethoven (The USA album version, The UK album version, the two single edits) or was that done by an anonymous engineer overseen by some record company flak? I can't even make out whether it was even implied that Jeff did any of the edits. Whatsamatter, is Jeff embarassed by the edits, too? Ok taking off the Mr.Gumby gear Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX N.P. "Mama" (or "moma" or "Momma") ELO 2 ********** Subject: Re: Move chords Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:27:26 -0700 From: "Peter MANION" "kickphoto.co.uk" wrote: >I've not seen a posting from Joel for some time - are you still out there >matey? Last saw Joel at the convention in June 2001, not many posts from him since then, worth a try to contact hin on: Glamrocker@btinternet.com Several of us on the list worked with him on 'Move' chords and he had a dozen pretty well sorted, ********** Subject: Re: Move chords Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:28:18 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins I heard from Joel - he's still on the list but is extremely busy. His website is still up, but there's are no Roy/Move/ELO on the site at the moment. But, at the top of the page it says, "THE FIRE IN HIS GUITAR TABS WILL RETURN SOON!" http://www.geocities.com/eddysrock/index.htm ********** Subject: Eddy and the Falcons Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:28:12 -0700 From: George Marin this was the lp that got me hooked. my all time favorite roy song is "this is the story of my love". this actually got airplay here in philly. carol miller, then dj at wmmr, was a move/elo/roy fanatic. it was through her that i first heard "blackberry way", "bronotosaurus" and many other gems. i hope we stick with this lp for awhile. maybe the next song of the week could be "come back karen". roy's tribute to neil sedaka. ********** Subject: Re: Ayshea's "Farewell" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 02:21:43 -0700 From: "davidburley" Andy writes: >I do not have the Ayshea single, if I can get my hands on it I will >restore it to CD. I need to locate a mint copy I will have to keep an >eye out on Ebay. I send restored rare records to Rob from time to time >on CDR - some sound really good. Does anybody have a mint copy to sell or loan to Andy? I assure you he takes very, very good care of records. Regards David Burley Burley Towers ********** Subject: Re: Ayshea's "Farewell" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:28:03 -0700 From: "Boz Mdcn" I never had the Ayshea single and I think I only ever heard it once although my memory of it is quite clear. It was a TV performance, I think on ITV - it may well have been on 'Lift Off' on which she was the presenter. We haven't mentioned Neil Reid's single of 'Hazel Eyes' on the list for a while. I did have a copy of this once (it's on Philips) but I don't think that it is in my possession any more although I will have another search for it. I don't know if Roy had any involvement in the production but the arrangement is typical of his style. A recording of Roy performing it would be a real find. We live in hope :) Paul ********** Subject: Re: Ayshea's "Farewell" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:12:14 -0700 From: "Bill Liman" Boz Mdcn wrote: >I never had the Ayshea single and I think I only ever heard it once >although my memory of it is quite clear. It was a TV performance, I >think on ITV - it may well have been on 'Lift Off' on which she was >the presenter. I'm sure I saw that performance, I seem to remember the chorus went something like "Farewell my lovely afternoon". I never managed to get hold of the single either. Roy once claimed that the "A" painted on his forehead in the white star in the See my Baby Jive era was dedicated to Ayshea. ********** Subject: Re: Ayshea's "Farewell" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:47:14 -0700 From: "Duncan Haig" >Does anybody have a mint copy to sell or loan to Andy? I assure you >he takes very, very good care of records. Andy I have the single 'Farewell' and also have Neil Reid's 'Hazel Eyes' on cassette tape. I thought I had the single, but can't find it now. I also have a cover version of 'Nancy Sing Me A Song' on cassette, but can't remember who did it (it's not good). I would be happy to clean all three up using Audio Cleaning Lab, transfer them to CD (wav files) and send the cd to someone who could them make them available to download as mp3? Would this be of interest? If Andy really wants the 'Farewell' single to remaster himself, I would be happy to lend it. Duncan Haig Aberdeen ********** Subject: Autograph Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:27:41 -0700 From: Gmcorie does anyone know where i could find an Lp, Cd or a picture of Roy with his Autograph? Signed by his one and only hand? louisiana george ********** Subject: Re: Autograph Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:44:53 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" George, It might be worth carefully scanning ads in Goldmine or Discovery. A few years ago I spotted a copy of the original Regal Zonophone Move "Something Else" EP autographed by Roy in an auction listing. I think I bid $35.00 for it and-surprise!- I won! It's now hanging on the wall of my home studio. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Autograph Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:45:08 -0700 From: "Lynnette Cannell" There is currently a signed piccie, in wizzard make up, on ebay.co.uk ********** Subject: Re: Autograph Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:45:12 -0700 From: BudrickFBundy George, If you can't get to see Roy in concert to get an autograph in person I would strongly suggest waiting to see if one of the future Roy reissues are sold in an autographed edition via www.ftmusic.com You've probably waited the best part of thirty years already so if it takes a year or so more what the hell. I don't know if Rob plans to or can organise this but fingers crossed. At least if you do get one this way you can be assured it is genuine unlike most of that "Autographed" ELO stuff on EBAY recently. All the best. Andrew Codd End of Useless Information #469 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]