[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #487 July 17, 2003 In this issue: * Woody at Americana International 2003 * Upcoming Roy Wood's Army gigs (cont.) * Festival Too - what time? * Video Clips * Blackberry way way out! (cont.) * Drowning in a sea of blackberries (cont.) * FTM Shop has original First Light 2CD * Roy vs Jeff - What Happened? * Move cover band * Roy in Dorset * Trevor Burton & Gary Wright's "Extraction" (cont.) * Richard Tandy & The Move (Q&A) ============================================================== The contents of this digest are the copyright of The Move "Useless Information" Mailing List and may not be re-published or re-distributed elsewhere without permission and credit. To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Woody at Americana International 2003 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:10:52 -0700 From: Chris R Jackson Woody & His Army put on what can only be described as the best performance they have ever done during the last ten years. With around six to seven thousand supporters staying on the showground for his set, the atmosphere was fantastic, when Woody took the stage at around 8pm Sunday night the audience were ecstatic. Performing most of his well known hits and others faultlessly, the Army were spot on with drummer putting in a great 'solo' spot... All in all a fantastic way to close the 23rd Americana festival, one thing's for sure Roy will be back in the near future. Spent quite a while talking to Roy (and some of the female members of the Army) we chatted about the good old days of Carl Wayne & The Vikings, Mike Sheridan & The Nightriders amongst others... Around 60,000 visited festival over the the main three days making it a huge success and one of the busiest since '93... The weather was incredibly hot (for the UK) with the temperature in the high 80s... (California Sunshine...). Dave Edmunds is slated to play on next year's festival, July 8-9-10-11th another great artist that can still cut the mustard... Suzi Quatro pulled a massive Friday night audience, as did Paul Young and the young US country-rock band BR549... All in all a total of 38 artists performed on the festival... Check out our web site http://www.americana-international.co.uk for reviews etc, which will be on the site shortly. ********** Subject: Re: Upcoming Roy Wood's Army gigs Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:10:05 -0700 From: Jon Hinchliffe >18 July, 2003 >Festival Too Does anyone have any idea of a time for this event. There is no info (as far as I can see on the site) and I can't spot a contact either :-( ********** Subject: Festival Too - what time? Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:57:49 -0700 From: "SANDIE Blickem" So who all's going to Lynn? How will we know who is from the List? Or would you rather not ID yourselves?!!!!!! Anyone know what the kick-off time is? ********** Subject: Re: Festival Too - what time? Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:59:26 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins >Anyone know what the kick-off time is? I phoned the Festival Too office and was told that Roy is scheduled to go on around 9pm. The Edison Lighthouse are also performing that night. Here are the details again for anyone needing them: 18 July, 2003 Festival Too Tuesday Market Place, Kings Lynn, Norfolk Free admission More info: http://www.lynnnews.co.uk/ftpinc/lynndata/festtoo/index.html And here's the Festival Too phone number: +44 (0)1553 761888 ********** Subject: Video Clips Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:45:54 -0700 From: garymaher I'm new here, so sorry if this has already been posted, but . . . http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/artists/t/the_move/video/fire_brigade.ram This may also be of interest: http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/artists/e/elo/video/elo_showdown.ram Wish they had the whole songs posted . . . ********** Subject: Re: Blackberry way way out! Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:46:34 -0700 From: Richard Messum >we are an obsessive lot here aren't we? Certainly not! I only played "Blackberry Way" 7 times and "Strawberry Fields Forever" six, when i posted my comparison. Of course, in order to play "BW" 7 times, i wound up listening to "Movements" in its entirety 7 times, and (solely for background details) "Main Street" 5 times and "The BBC Sessions" thrice. And then i listened to the new version of "ELO II" twice and, as Marc Bolan is a guest on it, i naturally had to listen to all of my old T. Rex albums to see if i could detect any evidence of Jeff or Roy making (uncredited) guest appearances. (I found none.) This led me to my two Annie Haslam albums, but Roy is only on the first one and the second suffers from his absence. But listening to Annie took me to Renaissance, and thence to the Yardbirds (as Keith Relf was a founding member of both), and from there to Led Zeppelin (who were initially called "The New Yardbirds") and whose "new" CD, "How the west was won," is the best album i've heard in a long, long time. Listening to Jimmy Page on "HTWWW" reminded me of my four favourite guitarists, Rory Gallagher, Jeff Beck, Richard Thompson and Jimi Hendrix, and then i remembered that Roy Wood made a guest appearance on Jimi's "Axis: bold as love" album, and so i listened to that very closely three times. As Donovan once, memorably, sang, "Happiness runs in a circular motion." But, obviously, your suggestion that we are obsessive is absurd LOL!~ ********** Subject: Re: Blackberry way way out! Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:45:57 -0700 From: "Peter MANION" I wonder what Carl sings with The Hollies? Probably more chance of getting an answer to that easier than from Roy . . . ********** Subject: Re: Drowning in a sea of blackberries Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:29:27 -0700 From: KenGreenwell Lynn wrote: >Yes, I can somewhat detect "the laughter's drowned" (though I wouldn't >have heard the word "laughter" if someone hadn't mentioned it)... but >what keeps jumping out at me is "boats on the lake unattended now >they're all to drown." The latter makes more sense. Keeping with the >dark and lonely theme of this song, the boats are a metaphor...they >have been left alone, and will drown. I always thought... "boats on the lake, unattended now they're off to drown." There's no "laughter" in there at all! ********** Subject: Re: Drowning in a sea of blackberries Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:46:05 -0700 From: "Phil Redmon" It is definately "The laughter drowned" & it does make sense when you look to the next line "I'm incredibly down." ********** Subject: Re: Drowning in a sea of blackberries Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:30:54 -0700 From: Gmcorie i too have listen to Blackberry Way a few times. what i hear is depending on the lyrics i have in my hand at the time. in other words i hear both versions. what is a fan to do. louisiana george ********** Subject: Re: Drowning in a sea of blackberries Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:31:21 +0100 From: "Andrew Footman" Tyler Sherman wrote: >Not only are lyrics often wrong on sheet music for rock & pop stuff but >quite often the music is written wrong as well. Not only do they get them wrong, they also put them in the wrong Key. The song book of A NEW WORLD RECORD has DO YA in the Key of C. It is in D! I learned the Move's version but they are pretty much the same guitar parts! ********** Subject: Re: Drowning in a sea of blackberries Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 02:54:29 -0700 From: Poisongold (MJC) Plastic Ono Dream writes: >"boats on the lake unattended now for all to drown" has gotta stay that >way! Hmmm...to me, it's always sounded like "Boats on a lake, unattended now, forlorn, to drown." Oh, well. ********** Subject: FTM Shop has original First Light 2CD Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:28:43 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Rob asked me to let you know that if you missed out on the original "Electric Light Orchestra" - First Light Limited Enhanced Edition 2CD (it's been deleted), there is now a limited number available from the FTM Shop. Rob got the last 100 from EMI's warehouses and distribution centers in Europe. Here's the info and track listing. It's priced the same as "ELO 2." FTM Shop: http://www.ftmusic.com/shop.html Electric Light Orchestra - First Light 2CD Limited Enhanced Edition -ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA / NO ANSWER 30TH ANNIVERSARY LIMITED EDITION Remastered & Enhanced Multimedia Catalogue No: EMI Harvest 533 3722 EMI deleted the 2-CD slipcase limited edition on 1st September 2002 but FTM have secured the last remaining copies of what is sure to become a collector's item. All copies ordered via FTM will receive an exclusive 4-page 30th Anniversary leaflet on the history of ELO's early days. Written by John Van der Kiste (author: The Roy Wood Story) the article features exclusive quotes from Jeff Lynne, Roy Wood and Bev Bevan. Don't delay! Very limited supply! CD1 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA Enhanced multimedia CD plus lavishly illustrated booklet including sleeve notes by Jeff Lynne and Roy Wood: 10538 Overture | Look At Me Now | Nellie Takes Her Bow | The Battle Of Marston Moor (July 2nd 1644) | First Movement (Jumping Biz) | Mr. Radio | Manhattan Rumble (49th Street Massacre) | Queen Of The Hours | Whisper In The Night | Bonus session tracks: Battle Of Marston Moor (Take 1) | 10538 Overture (Take 1) - The Move / ELO | Enhanced multimedia section with interactive menu, leading to EMI Promotional Film: 10538 Overture (May 1972) CD2 - FIRST LIGHT 11 previously unreleased acetate, studio session, live, quadraphonic and BBC session ELO tracks plus fully illustrated booklet with further sleeve notes, unpublished photographs and archive memorabilia: Brian Matthew introduces ELO (BBC, 4 Feb. 1972) | 10538 Overture (Acetate version) | Look At Me Now (Quad mix) | Nellie Takes Her Bow (Quad mix) | The Battle Of Marston Moor (July 2nd 1644) (Quad mix) | Jeff's Boogie No.2 (Live) | Whisper In The Night (Live) | Great Balls Of Fire (Live) | Queen Of The Hours (Quad mix) | Mr. Radio (Take 9) | 10538 Overture (Live BBC session version) ********** Subject: Re: Move cover band Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:03:22 -0700 From: "Shawn Sutherland" Why not call it "Blackberry Way" or "Brontasaurous" (sp?) or "Ben Crawley Steel Company"? ********** Subject: Re: Move cover band Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:02:09 -0700 From: "davidburley" How about: "ReMove" ********** Subject: Roy in Dorset Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:30:14 -0700 From: Darlekdave Hi, did Roy Wood appear at the Talbot pub near Evershot / Beaminster (Dorset) last year (late summer)? I`m sure that I saw it advertised in our local newspaper, with overnight camping available, but I could'nt make it! Any Info? Kind Regards Dave Vincent ********** Subject: Roy vs Jeff - What Happened? Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:46:49 -0700 From: Mike Gough Could someone please shed some light on some truths concerning the Roy Wood Jeff Lynne relationship/falling out? What was the big disagreement that led to the breakup? Have they seen or talked to each other over these ensuing years? Have they ever refered to each other or these matters in the press? I really have always wondered about these things. Especially during Jeff Lynne's Wilbury days. How nice it would have been to have Roy's input into that rock & Roll stew. Roy would have loved involvement in the Beatle "Free as a Bird" sessions too. Hoping to learn a little about these issues. ********** Subject: Re: Trevor Burton & Gary Wright's "Extraction" Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:20:07 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Harold recently asked: >Anyone know what tracks Trevor plays on on Gary Wright's early solo LP >"Extraction"? Harold, I may have an answer for you. Gary says he thinks Trevor played on "I Know A Place" and "Too Late To Cry." Hope that's the info you were looking for. ********** Subject: Richard Tandy & The Move (Q&A) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:31:30 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Gary Maher asked: >R. Tandy on keys on the original, right? Was this his first work with >The Move? I was about to refer Gary to the questions that Richard answered for the Move and ELO-Showdown lists last year, when I made a disturbing discovery: I never posted Richard's answers to the Move List!! (Good grief.) Better late than never, as they say... Last July, when Carl Wayne interviewed Richard, Trevor, Ace and many others as part of his week-long DJ stint at BBC Radio WM, there were a lot of time constraints and list member questions didn't get asked. So, during his interviews with Richard for the then forthcoming ELO 2 remaster project, Rob Caiger took time to put most of your questions to ELO's keyboard player. Here are his answers (including one about Blackberry Way): From Lynn Hoskins, Los Angeles, California: Q: The live version of "10538 Overture" that you performed at the PBS shows last summer was nothing short of magnificent. Did you and Jeff work together on that amazing arrangement, or was that mostly your work? A: (rather modestly but smiling) 10538 was just our standard arrangement of it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Ken Greenwell, Perth, Western Australia: Q: You played a few gigs with The Move when Trevor injured his shoulder. How many shows did you do and what was it like to tour with them? Did you just play bass on that tour or did you play any keyboards? A: I played bass for 5 or 6 gigs, it was about 2 weeks. The first one was in Huddersfield - it was fantastic! I'm not a very good bass player, but I knew the tunes because I used to hang about with them, I didn't need to rehearse really. The last gig was at Mother Earth and about half way through, Trevor couldn't stand it any longer - he still had his arm in plaster - but he come on stage and played and sort of took over! He just couldn't sit there, so he grabbed a bass and came on, so that was the end of that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Allan Pugh, Wallasey, England: Q: Did you ever go and see ELO Part 2? A: Yes, once. It was a very strange experience for me. I went to see the one with the Moscow Symphony Orchestra and really enjoyed Eldorado because of the strings. I thought that was fantastic, but the rest of it was really strange. I couldn't enjoy it like a normal concert because it was just like hearing what I used to play, but coming from someone else. It was weird, it was like I should have been on there because they were playing exactly the same notes, exactly the same tunes. I enjoyed the orchestral bit -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also from Allan Pugh: Q: How much work did you actually do on the Zoom album? A: About half an hour! How much work? Probably about an hour. They were doing a remix of the single and I just played on that. It's a good opening track to the new album, but it's not the most immediate song on there. I like the slow tunes, like Ordinary Dream. But record companies like the fast bouncy stuff, so. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Mike Scott, Egham, Surrey, England: Q: What are the words actually being spoken on the song "Believe Me Now" (other than 'believe me now') from the album Out Of The Blue? A: I've got no idea! The way we used to have to do it back then was, I used to play it on the keyboard and Jeff used to sing it. There wasn't a vocodor machine as such. There was a big box and we used to feed Jeff's mic into it and we'd say, 'do you like this?' or not. I used to do the piano, he'd do the voice, then we'd combine them. It's easy now but back then, it was like launching a space rocket! 'Is it gonna work?' It did sometimes. Sometimes you couldn't hear the words. well, I couldn't! I hadn't got a clue on some of them. They were so clear at the time, when you do it, it's one of those phenomena that you know exactly what it is when you do it, you know all the words and you can hear it clear as anything, but when a stranger came in the room. We used to get Phil Copestake to check the words: 'What's it say Phil? ' - 'No idea.' 'Don't be daft - course you can hear it, it's as clear as anything, look, it's Mr. Blue Sky'. 'oh yes, I hear it now.' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two similar keyboard-orientated questions, the first from Damien Spanjer, Sydney, Australia: Q: It seems that over the years you have played a multitude of keyboard instruments. Are there any old models that have a sentimental value to you, or perhaps something that stands out in your mind as a particularly good instrument to play? And the second from Darren Aboulafia, Eugene, Oregon, USA: Q: I applaud your dedication on Zoom and the subsequent, but short-lived tour announcement, that you were going to actually use several of your old keyboards/synthesizers on stage in concert. What prompted that decision and did you receive any criticism relating to "why bring the old gear on stage again?" sort of thing. Thanks, Richard, for speaking to us! A: Just to get the exact sounds that we had back then. Some of them you still can't reproduce today. Certain instruments had a certain 'something' a timbre. You can get close to it with the new instruments but not close enough. There's just something about certain sounds, there's no other way to do it but use the old keyboards. We even had the idea for a keyboard that wasn't working too well to sample it and build up the keyboard sounds but even that isn't the same. Midi-ing could have been an option I suppose, but it wasn't meant to be that complicated, especially where we just wanted one keyboard sound for one tune. Where we were doing a lot of greatest hits type things, we'd pull out a keyboard we'd used a lot in 1978 so we'd feature that on those songs but that keyboard wouldn't get used again because it was superseded by a new one coming in. The CS 80 would come in and we'd use that for Shine A Little Love, so we'd add that to the stage set up. Very often, with these old keyboards, they've only got one or two great sounds on anyway, certainly for me personally. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tim Emerich, Merced, California, USA: Q: Besides "Blackberry Way" and early ELO, have you done anything else with Roy? A: I don't think so. Roy was always a league ahead of me with his groups. I was always in the second division groups. Roy was one of the first blokes who ever inspired me though, when I was at school. He used to practice at my best friends house with his group. That's when I used to go and look at his pink Fender guitar. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Toshiki Komeda, Kyoto, Japan: Q: You played on Grieg's Piano Concerto In A Minor, which was released in 2000. Do you know how much of that song had been made during the Secret Messages sessions? Did you add some guitar or piano since then? Was it originally planned recording, or a kind of happening session in a studio? A: None of it was done specifically for Secret Messages, it was just a fun thing. We walked into the studio to test the acoustics, with the drums down one end and the piano down the other and we just launched into it. You'd walk into a new studio and go 'what's it sound like?' hit the drums, 'oh, that ain't bad', and then we'd just do it. It was down in about ten minutes. Then we worked out what the chords would be on the guitar and did a couple of overdubs on guitar and that was it. It was Jeff doing one of his mad drumming things. It wasn't intended for anything, just to test the studios acoustics. The rest of the tracks, like Tears In Your Life, I thought they were all brilliant, but there was a whole saga - I've never known anything like it, all the politics after the album leaves the recording studio. I thought we'd given them a great double album but afterward, I'd heard they hadn't gone for it because they didn't think the climate was right for a double album. It was stupid, really stupid, because sometimes Jeff gets into a flow in the studio. The normal way was to rehearse the songs with the rest of the group and go in the studio and do the album but every now and again when he got on a roll, we could do like a track a day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Bud Timms, Cleveland, Ohio: Q: Do you know whether the songs cut from the live Zoom DVD will ever be available? Rock 'N' Roll Is King, All She Wanted and Sweet Talkin' Woman were omitted. Do you know why? A: No idea! Twilight we just did the backing track, no idea what's happened to that, same situation with Secret Messages, just the backing track because the vocals too complicated to attempt at that time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Brendan Doherty, Derry City, Ireland Q: I would like to know if the photos of the houses on the Secret Messages cover are of houses in Shard End in Birmingham. i.e. Is that Jeff's folks' house they are "pictured" in on the sleeve? A: Don't think they are - nobodies ever told me! It was just a street scene. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lots of similar questions regarding the cancelled Zoom Tour, that we couldn't list all the names and questions. A: Tour? I don't know - I wish I did. Wait and see. I'm still shocked the tour didn't go ahead, and then the world changed. It was fun to do, it's a great bunch of people and a couple of months on the road it would have sounded fantastic. So I'm just waiting for the call. Please. I'm still practising.! A big thank you to Richard Tandy and to Sheila for the endless cups of tea. End of Useless Information #487 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]