[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #489 July 25, 2003 In this issue: * Instrumentals (cont.) * Trevor Burton Band at Cropredy 2003 * Roy Wood NME interview * "Ace The Face" News (cont.) * Falcons * Reunions * California Man comp. a/k/a "Masters Of Rock"! * Song Of The Week (week of 7/14): "Ball Park Incident" * Most likely single from Mustard? * Roy - rare picture with Fender Telecaster? * Return of the Super 70's ============================================================== The contents of this digest are the copyright of The Move "Useless Information" Mailing List and may not be re-published or re-distributed elsewhere without permission and credit. To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== [Special note to U.S. list members: "Blackberry Way" was the subject of controversy on the Conan O'Brien Show July 25th! Conan's show is repeated the same day on Comedy Central @ around 6pm. Check your local listings for the one that features Joaquin Phoenix, Scott Thompson and Cheap Trick. It's definitely worth taping!] ********** Subject: Re: Instrumentals Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:04:05 -0700 From: C17456H George wrote: >Then it came to me that it would be great if Roy would release a CD of >all his instrumental's. Keith Fletcher wrote: >What a great idea, the 'Instrumental Roy Wood' Of course a really-really great idea. It must be real!!!! Who dares??? ********** Subject: Re: Instrumentals Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:49:50 -0700 From: Richard Messum >What a great idea, the 'Instrumental Roy Wood' Yeah, i'd add it to my shopping list as well. I only have a lot of those instrumental "b" sides on the original 7" singles, but lamentably my turntable seems to have lost the ability to play at 45 rpm. ********** Subject: Re: Instrumentals Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:48:39 -0700 From: "Tyler Sherman" Turntables are not quite extinct yet, Richard. Go out & buy one so you can play them 45's. George has me thinking of dragging out mine & putting together a CD-R of Roy's instrumentals possibly titled "No Comment". ********** Subject: Trevor Burton Band at Cropredy 2003 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:34:17 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins For those who didn't already know, The Trevor Burton Band will make its first appearance at this year's Cropredy Festival. Trevor takes the stage at 7.10pm Thursday, 9 August, with Lindisfarne to follow. Procol Harum is the headliner for Friday. There's a nice feature with photos on The Move Online for anyone who needs more info. Included is a special message for Trevor fans from Fairport's Dave Pegg. http://www.themoveonline - just follow the "News" link. Hope some of you are able to go. Let us know! ********** Subject: Roy Wood NME interview Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:33:35 -0700 From: "Martin Nielsen" > http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/nme01.html Did you notice the duff mistake that appeared in the otherwise interesting Roy Wood interview in the NME from around 1975? It said: "In fact, Wood's multi-instrumentalist thing is a fairly recent development. He had always been able to play guitar, bass and drums, but only began to play other instruments with the formation of the Electric Light Orchestra." Now, this can't be completely correct. What about the sitar freak-out on Shazam? And on Looking On, Wood plays both cello, oboe and saxes! Lynn wrote: "... the interview seems to have been done just prior to Wizzo". My guess would be just prior to Main Street. The "jazzy-type Hendrix, and a Django Reinhardt solo ..." could refer to "The Fire In His Guitar" and the generally jazzy stuff on the album. I could be wrong too of course. Martin, Denmark ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood NME interview Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:48:18 -0700 From: "Tyler Sherman" The ELO concept actually began soon after Jeff joined The Move in 1970 and began experimenting with playing "classical" instruments then, as witness the cello on "When Alice Comes Back To The Farm" on "Looking On". Roy had been flirting with the idea of a rock band that could do orchestral arrangements live for quite some time before that. He obviously saw in Jeff someone who could help make it a reality, and it may have started even sooner if Jeff joined a year earlier when Roy first invited him after Trevor left. So the article is not that inaccurate. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood NME interview Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:04:20 -0700 From: Sgt Hun Quoting NME: "In fact, Wood's multi-instrumentalist thing is a fairly recent development. He had always been able to play guitar, bass and drums, but only began to play other instruments with the formation of the Electric Light Orchestra." Martin Nielsen wrote: >Now, this can't be completely correct. What about the sitar freak-out >on Shazam? And on Looking On, Wood plays both cello, oboe and saxes! First, the recording of "Looking On" and "10538 Overture" were very close in time. Secondly, the "sitar" that Roy plays is not a(n Indian) sitar at all, it is merely a guitar with a "buzz-bridge" and some extra strings (for flourishes) on the side. Playing it is EXACTLY like playing any normal electric guitar. ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood NME interview Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:49:59 -0700 From: John DeSilva Sgt Hun wrote: >Secondly, the "sitar" that Roy plays is not a(n Indian) sitar at all, >it is merely a guitar with a "buzz-bridge" and some extra strings (for >flourishes) on the side. Playing it is EXACTLY like playing any normal >electric guitar. I believe the instrument that Roy plays on both "Shazam" and "Looking On" is his 'banjar', which is a banjo with the skin removed from the body and an electric pickup placed inside under the strings. JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood NME interview Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:31:00 -0700 From: Sgt Hun John DeSilva wrote: >I believe the instrument that Roy plays on both "Shazam" and "Looking >On" is his 'banjar', which is a banjo with the skin removed from the >body and an electric pickup placed inside under the strings. No, it's a Coral Electric Sitar, manufactured in the late 1960s by Coral (which was a division of Danelectro Guitars). There's a picture of it inside Mustard (along with so many of Roy's instruments). Again, the Coral Electric Sitar is NOT a real sitar, it's a normal electric guitar with a buzz-bridge and extra "sympathetic strings" on the body. Although Coral (and Danelectro) ceased manufacturing in around 1970, there is a company which today manufactures a 96% accurate imitation of the Coral Electric Sitar (actually, this model is superior to the original). Go to the following link to see what it looks like: http://www.jerryjonesguitars.com/Master%20sitar.htm Compare this to the picture inside Mustard, to confirm that Roy used the Coral Electric Sitar. BTW, there is also a "new" Danelectro Company (not affiliated with Jerry Jones), which has been making repros of many of the other original Danelectro instruments for 5-or-so years now. And actually, they also do a better job than the originals. It flies in the face of the old credo, "they don't make 'em like they used to!" ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood NME interview Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:53:58 -0700 From: John DeSilva Sgt Hun wrote: >No, it's a Coral Electric Sitar, manufactured in the late 1960s by >Coral (which was a division of Danelectro Guitars). There's a picture >of it inside Mustard (along with so many of Roy's instruments). Again, >the Coral Electric Sitar is NOT a real sitar, it's a normal electric >guitar with a buzz-bridge and extra "sympathetic strings" on the body. You sure about that Sarge? He's definitely playing a Coral by 1975, but I was always under the impression that he used the Banjar during the Move days. Maybe Rob or some other expert can settle this one ... JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: "Ace The Face" News" Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:23:26 -0700 From: steve22 Hey Lynn/Rob, I wonder if it's possible that some of Ace's tracks of where his original band's instruments are being stripped off for being too stoned if, they could be newly overdubbed by Trevor, Bev, and Roy for either "Ace the Face" or another release ? Include that along with Ace's stripped down performance, too. Either way, I'll enjoy just Ace & his guitar equally. Do you think that we could vote on the cover ideas as they appear on the web site? I'm excited about "Ace The Face" coming out this Fall and if Ace feels inspired to record a brand new album! That's great news that Ace is doing & feeling well and better each day. We're all pulling for you, Ace! Steve USA ********** Subject: Falcons Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:57:49 -0700 From: "Sandie Blickem" BTW - was just sifting thru my mail and saw the poster of the Niteriders and realised that I had attended a Falcons gig (although I don't actually remember it!) weird to only now discover having seen Roy pre-Move how many years later? The way I knew for sure was because I used to record the names of the bands I'd seen in my school atlas! I've got the Falcons as being from London - did Roy relocate temporarily or did I get it wrong? I'm sure Rob will know the answer - or Martin even? (although he's probably too young to know!) ********** Subject: Reunions Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:10:58 -0700 From: Gmcorie would be great if Jeff & Bev could patch things up. ELO together again, how about Roy & Wizzard, just wishful thinking louisiana george ********** Subject: Re: Reunions Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:57:39 -0700 From: BigLarry26 Gmcorie writes: >would be great if Jeff & Bev could patch things up. ELO together again, >how about Roy & Wizzard, just wishful thinking Well according to his most recent release, Jeff Lynne appears to think that he himself is ELO. Good thing Roy never held the belief that he IS Wizzard. ********** Subject: Re: Reunions Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:23:15 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins bigLarry wrote: >Well according to his most recent release, Jeff Lynne appears to think >that he himself is ELO. Good thing Roy never held the belief that he >IS Wizzard. Yeah, good thing Roy never referred to them as Roy Wood's Wizzard! ;) ********** Subject: California Man comp. a/k/a "Masters Of Rock"! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:33:08 -0700 From: "Martin Nielsen" Mike Jada wrote: >I noticed that EMI rereleased Harvest's California Man compilation. Not many days ago, I saw an old copy of the California Man comp. for the first time ever, and was able to conclude that the track listing on it is completely identical to that of another comp. LP I've had for many years, a Dutch LP on Harvest in the "Masters Of Rock" series. (This series also included comp.s with E.L.O., Procol Harum and Pink Floyd.) The sound on it seems totally identical to that on my Message From The Country copy (the original Harvest first edition). Actually, with the inclusion of "California Man", "Tonight", "Down On The Bay", "Do Ya" and "Chinatown", it almost makes a stronger album than MFTC. They should really have been included on the album, I think. I also saw another old comp. that had all the songs from MFTC plus the associated singles on it - well, almost, 'cos then I noticed that "Down On The Bay" was missing, dammit. It would be great to have an album with all these songs. I hope these single tracks will be part of that MFTC reissue we're all hoping for. Can anyone tell me: those five songs I just mentioned, are they the only single-only tracks from the MFTC period, or are there others? Martin, Denmark ********** Subject: Re: California Man comp. a/k/a "Masters Of Rock"! Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:48:27 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" I also saw another old comp. that had all the songs from MFTC plus the associated singles on it - well, almost, 'cos then I noticed that "Down On The Bay" was missing, dammit. It would be great to have an album with all these songs. I hope these single tracks will be part of that MFTC reissue we're all hoping for. No fear Martin, all the A and B sides will appear on the First Light remaster of MFTC and off the master tapes too!So has good has the Cally Man cd sounds this will sound even better! The JAP CD is not has good sounding has the Cally Man cd so Robs is a must when Roy writes his liner notes! Please dont ask Roy to do liner notes for Ace's album or will still be waiting yonks for that too! ********** Subject: Re: California Man comp. a/k/a "Masters Of Rock"! Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 02:36:15 -0700 From: kakman1 "andy" wrote: >I also saw another old comp. that had all the songs from MFTC plus >the associated singles on it - well, almost, 'cos then I noticed that >"Down On The Bay" was missing, dammit. It would be great to have an >album with all these songs. I hope these single tracks will be part >of that MFTC reissue we're all hoping for. Well Andy over ten years ago, EMI released in USA "Great Move!The best Of The Move" which was an odd title for what was basically the first attempted remaster of the entire MFTC album plus the addition of all the Harvest singles. As an odd bonus/easter egg, they threw in "The Duke of Edinburg's Lettuce" from "Looking On" and the UA radio commercial for "Split Ends" and the new single re-issue of "Tonight", previously released on Capitol in USA. Nice liner notes by Ira Robbins of Trouser Press fame (one of the more early vocal proponents of Roy Wood, The Move, ELO in America). ALso included a complete vinyl discography of the UK and US of the Move, up to 1992. It was discontinued but is occasionally available for auction on ebay, amazon.com's z-auction, and the odd collector's shop. Usually goes for anywhere between $6.50 - $15, which is quite affordable. The pics and artwork are somewhere between neat and garish. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Ball Park Incident" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:48:05 -0700 From: "Phil Redmon" This track has all of the macabre/oddness of all great Roy songs while still being pure pop. If this doesn't send a shiver up your spine, you probably listen to Simply Red. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Ball Park Incident" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 02:35:55 -0700 From: "Lynnette Cannell" Oy! - Phil - Yes, I DO listen to Simply Red, amongst others, and actually like them - excellent voice, good melodies, wonderful production. Just cos they're not to your taste - in the words of the kids I teach - "dont diss 'em man!" ********** Subject: Most likely single from Mustard? Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:48:11 -0700 From: "Martin Nielsen" Kevin K. wrote: >Mistrust multi-instrumentalists? News to me. Must be a music critic thing. Well, this is hardly surprising. As we know, in order to become a rock critic, you have to fall on your knees and sign some piece of paper that says that rock music began with the Velvet Underground and the Stooges and only those artists who sound like the Velvets and the Stooges are making AUTHENTIC rock music. He then said: >I thought You Sure Got It Now would make an ambitious single for the >market in 1975. Yes, ambitious for sure, but possibly too weird for the upper reaches of the charts, although it sure rocks. I always thought the obvious first single choice from Mustard would be "Any Old Time Will Do", surely one of the most perfect should-have-been-radio-pop-songs ever made. It should then be followed by "The Rain Came Down On Everything". Why that never was a massive hit boggles my mind. It's the ultimate 70s ballad, far better and more moving than Sir Reginald's "Candle In The Wind". Martin, Denmark ********** Subject: Re: Most likely single from Mustard? Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 02:36:02 -0700 From: John DeSilva Martin Nielsen wrote: >I always thought the obvious first single choice from Mustard would >be "Any Old Time Will Do", surely one of the most perfect >should-have-been-radio-pop-songs ever made. It should then be followed >by "The Rain Came Down On Everything". Why that never was a massive hit >boggles my mind. It's the ultimate 70s ballad, far better and more >moving than Sir Reginald's "Candle In The Wind". I always find it fascinating when we on the list talk about the hits that might have been. I listen to "Exotic Mixture" and think to myself that every A side and several of the B sides had something going for them that should have made them hits, especially the 70s stuff. It's clear that Roy's solo albums and Wizzard LPs would never have been massive hits, due to his unflinching eclecticism. However, I surmise that it's this very trait that appeals to us Roy fans the most. The bottom line for me is that there was this glorious period from '69 to '75 where the musical cosmos were aligned at least with the British record buying public's taste that saw Woody's music enjoy tremendous popularity. Then, due to mismanagement, Roy's loss of confidence due to that mismanagement and being hopelessly overextended contractually, and probably the British public's shift to punk and new wave sounds ... the moment had passed. The frustrating thing for us Woody fans now is that a new moment is in the offing, but Roy won't seize it. I imagine no one is more frustrated by this than Rob, but he shows no signs of throwing in the towel (thankfully for us devotees of Woody music!!!). JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: Most likely single from Mustard? Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 02:36:08 -0700 From: "Tyler Sherman" Martin, FYI, here in the states, an edited version of "Any Old Time Will Do" from "Mustard" was issued as a single. I have a promo copy of it, mono/stereo. It did not chart. However, I did hear it on WNEW-FM in NY once. By the way, has anyone else besides me noticed that the mustard jar on the cover of US version of "Mustard" is different than the UK version? Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Roy - rare picture with Fender Telecaster? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 02:13:23 -0700 From: BigLarry26 Hello all, Found a little site I'd like to share with you. It's a Czech site, so unreadable to me. At the bottom of page is a picture of Roy with playing a Fender Telecaster! http://www.jcu.cz/~kam/osobni/elo/html/galerie/Roy_Wood.htm This was a real surprise. We've seen Roy play different models of guitar over the years, usually preferring a Fender Stratocaster (also known as a Strat). Occasionally played a Fender Mustang in early Move days. But this is the first time in my 17 years of Roy fandom to see him with a Tele! Anyone (guitarist or otherwise) have an interesting opinion or observation on this? Larry Harris Dallas, Texas ********** Subject: Re: Roy - rare picture with Fender Telecaster? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:27:34 -0700 From: "Tyler Sherman" Larry & all, Cool shot. The telecaster has a rosewood fretboard, rather than the more common natural fretboard. Also, I notice that our Gill at the Woody Info Bureau took the photo. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Roy - rare picture with Fender Telecaster? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:31:51 -0700 From: Sgt Hun I have a mid-1970s compilation LP (I forget the name, it's not here), and the cover shot looks like it was taken on the set of a TV show. The picture shows Roy playing a Fender Telecaster, Trevor playing a Fender Stratocaster, and Ace playing a Fender Precision Bass. This picture was obviously WAY before the beard and makeup. ********** Subject: Return of the Super 70's Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:17:49 -0700 From: "George Mackenzie" Check out new cd "The return of the super 70's" which features "See my baby jive" & "California man". ********** Subject: Re: Return of the Super 70's Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:21:12 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Virgin TV strikes again! Thanks for that, George. I looked up the info and the track listing... (Certainly is an "interesting" mish-mash of artists! ;) The Return of the Super 70's Label: Virgin TV Catalogue Number: VTDCD567 Release Date: July 14, 2003 Track Listings Disc: 1 1. Crazy Little Thing Called Love - Queen 2. Waterloo - Abba 3. See My Baby Jive - Wizzard 4. Can't Give You Anything (But My Love) - The Stylistics 5. When Will I See You Again - The Three Degrees 6. Billy Don't Be A Hero - Paper Lace 7. Gonna Make You A Star - David Essex 8. Substitute - Clout 9. Love Train - The O'Jays 10. When You're In Love With A Beautiful Woman - Dr Hook 11. Mississippi - Pussycat 12. Devil Woman - Cliff Richard 13. Free Electric Band - Albert Hammond 14. Beach Baby - First Class 15. Make Me Smile (Come Up And See Me) - Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel 16. I Hear You Knocking - Dave Edmunds 17. California Man - The Move 18. Dyna-Mite - Mud 19. Can The Can - Suzi Quatro 20. I Love To Boogie - T-Rex 21. Every 1's A Winner - Hot Chocolate 22. Whole Lotta Love - CCS 23. Theme From Magpie - Murgatroyd Band Disc: 2 1. Bye Bye Baby - Bay City Rollers 2. Knock Three Times - Dawn 3. Living Next Door To Alice - Smokie 4. Dancing In The City - Marshall Hain 5. Let 'em In - Wings 6. Fog On The Tyne - Lindisfarne 7. When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 8. Banner Man - Blue Mink 9. Magic - Pilot 10. Ballroom Blitz - Sweet 11. Denis - Blondie 12. She's A Lady - Tom Jones 13. That's The Way (I Like It) - KC & The Sunshine Band 14. Heaven Must Be Missing An Angel - Tavares 15. (You've Got Me) Dangling On A String - Chairman of The Board 16. Rock Your Baby - George McCrae 17. I Love To Love (But My Baby Loves To Dance) - Tina Charles 18. Emotions - Samantha Sang 19. I'll Be There - Jackson 5 20. Summer (The First Time) - Bobby Goldsboro 21. Vincent - Don McLean 22. Time In A Bottle - Jim Croce End of Useless Information #489 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]