From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 1 11:24:23 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01JO9Hx021735; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:24:09 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j01JO6Tk021716; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:24:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:24:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Pityocamptes@aol.com Message-ID: <126.538383ed.2f0852cf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:23:59 EST Subject: Re: [FG]: Gradiometer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1104607439" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com X-IMAPbase: 1386572926 0000000532 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 Content-Length: 3489 -------------------------------1104607439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. I disconnected the antenna off of the "emitter" and it still responds to the static built up from combing my hair. I experimented with a 1m ohm resistor and a 100 ohm resistor and it seems the 3k resistor responds best. Should I leave the resistor? I tried twisting the gimmick tighter and even loosing it but it didn't seem to do anything that I could tell. Thanks again for the help. Never really worked with a circuit as quirky as this! I'll check out RS to see if they carry the book you refer to. In a message dated 12/31/2004 10:46:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, drallim@norlight.org writes: Hi, The low value resistor gives you solid DC control of pin #3, but probably you have lost any sensitivity in the "emitter" antenna. Try removing that antenna and see if the circuit still responds to hair combing as before. You could try twisting the "gimmick" tighter or looser instead of trimming it shorter. When you change the "bias" control, you get near-instant change of voltage in Pin #3 circuit, but the voltage changes on pin #2 have to "leak" through the "gimmick" to or from pin #1. The only time that pin #1 sits at 0 volts is when the voltages on pins #2, 3 are equal to each other. RS used to have small booklets that gave basic skills with op-amps. Have a good one, Keith -------------------------------1104607439 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks. I disconnected the antenna off of the "emitter" and it still re= sponds to the static built up from combing my hair. I experimented with a 1m= ohm resistor and a 100 ohm resistor and it seems the 3k resistor responds b= est. Should I leave the resistor? I tried twisting the gimmick tighter and e= ven loosing it but it didn't seem to do anything that I could tell. Thanks a= gain for the help. Never really worked with a circuit as quirky as this! &nb= sp;I'll check out RS to see if they carry the book you refer to.
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2004 10:46:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, dr= allim@norlight.org writes:
Hi,

The low value resistor gives you so= lid DC control of pin #3, but
probably you have lost any sensitivity in=20= the "emitter" antenna. Try
removing that antenna and see if the circuit=20= still responds to hair
combing as before. You could try twisting the "gi= mmick" tighter or
looser instead of trimming it shorter. When you change= the "bias"
control, you get near-instant change of voltage in Pin #3 ci= rcuit, but
the voltage changes on pin #2 have to "leak" through the "gim= mick" to or
from pin #1. The only time that pin #1 sits at 0 volts is wh= en the
voltages on pins #2, 3 are equal to each other. RS used to have s= mall
booklets that gave basic skills with op-amps.

Have a good on= e, Keith
-------------------------------1104607439-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 1 13:39:18 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01Ld7Hx021351; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:39:08 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j01Ld4Fw021330; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:39:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:39:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <41D71AFB.1000601@norlight.org> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:49:47 -0800 From: "Keith E. Millard" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Gradiometer References: <126.538383ed.2f0852cf@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <126.538383ed.2f0852cf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_5qC0C.A.JNF.4hx1BB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 Hi, The resistor seems to be making the circuit usable, so stay with it for now. You might try smaller increments of resistance--6.8K, 10K, etc., to see if you are proceeding in the right direction. This thing is almost in the realm of magic--maybe a few special words are required. If RS doesn't have any books, maybe your local library has a copy of "IC Op-Amp Cookbook" by Walter G. Jung. This one goes back a few decades, but is well written and understandable. Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 2 05:21:46 2005 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02DLbqI010395; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 05:21:38 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j02DLY8W010380; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 05:21:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 05:21:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <41D7F4D4.2050300@email.ee> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:19:16 +0200 From: urx Reply-To: urx@email.ee User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com References: <126.538383ed.2f0852cf@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <126.538383ed.2f0852cf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-wap3-MailScanner: Found to be clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Dowsing and sensors Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 Hello all, i am not sure is it right place to post this question, but i'm interested to develop system what can register signals like we do with dowsing. The result could be seective pc-based radar to analyse any object in world. The main problem is do we need send out some signal or human body just selecting some kind signals(patterns) and by this knows where the object is located. Any ideas or suggestions? regards, urx. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 2 19:19:53 2005 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j033JkLV008752; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:19:46 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j033JN5o008695; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:19:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:19:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <006d01c4f143$52827240$071bddcb@JohnandDel> From: "John Mount" To: References: <67.3b498890.2f05f229@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:22:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C4F175.C1CB2480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: James Randi offering John Bedini $1,000,000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C4F175.C1CB2480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The only problem with the tests required by Randi et al is that they = seem too rigorous, or require too much proof from the successful inventor. (even then I wonder if they'd be = entirely satisfied!)=20 If I was successful in creating an OU device I would be too busy at the = patent office, or at least trying to get=20 my device mass-produced before I'd try to prove myself to the skeptics. = (Though it would be great to see the skeptics eat their words and pay = their prize money in my lifetime). Regards. John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Videotextarchive@aol.com=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: [FG]: James Randi offering John Bedini $1,000,000 Has anyone seen this? http://www.randi.org/jr/082704gluton.html#4 Randi has also challenged Beardens and Naudins claims on the MEG. = (Search Randi's site for "Bearden") Proving the overunity output of the MEG and improvements from the = Bedini Scalar wave EM Clarifier should be easy scientifically verified = are they not? I'd like to see Randi's Million dollar prize won in my lifetime. Regards, -Glenn ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C4F175.C1CB2480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The only problem with the tests = required by=20 Randi et al is that they seem too rigorous, or require too = much
proof from the successful inventor. = (even then=20 I wonder if they'd be entirely satisfied!) 
 
If I was successful in creating an = OU device I=20 would be too busy at the patent = office, or=20 at least trying to get
my device mass-produced before I'd = try to=20 prove myself to the skeptics. (Though it=20 would be great to see the = skeptics eat=20 their words and pay their prize money in my lifetime).
 
Regards.
 
John
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Videotextarchive@aol.com =
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 = 10:07=20 AM
Subject: [FG]: James Randi = offering John=20 Bedini $1,000,000

Has anyone seen this?
 
 
Randi has also challenged Beardens and Naudins claims on the MEG. = (Search=20 Randi's site for "Bearden")
 
Proving the overunity output of the MEG and improvements = from the=20 Bedini Scalar wave EM Clarifier should be easy scientifically verified = are=20 they not?
 
I'd like to see Randi's Million dollar prize won in my = lifetime.
 
Regards,
-Glenn
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C4F175.C1CB2480-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 4 01:27:09 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j049R0so029045; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:27:00 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j049Qqn9028981; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:26:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:26:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <012601c4f23e$20f0c280$1500a8c0@cardel.loc> From: "G N" To: References: <67.3b498890.2f05f229@aol.com> <006d01c4f143$52827240$071bddcb@JohnandDel> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:16:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0123_01C4F24E.E2D55860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4939.300 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: James Randi offering John Bedini $1,000,000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C4F24E.E2D55860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Happy new year. My best wishes for all. John, >The only problem with the tests required by Randi et al is that they = seem too rigorous, or require too much >proof from the successful inventor. (even then I wonder if they'd be = entirely satisfied!)=20 I don't think so. It might be true for paranormal efects which can easily be denied but in = our case you can messure the energy produced. Even they claim that there is something wrong with it, you can show them = that the machine runs without external power source. Can they deny that?=20 They claim, and they are right, that noone ever build one such machine. = Every machine that was allowed testing proved to have a hidden power = source. The others just refused testing.=20 I am a sceptic. I like to think for my self. I don't bite everything = that is thrown to me. That doesn't mean I refuse to accept some things. I do believe that it is possible to create such a machine and in fact I = am working on it as everybody else in this list. But, I think the rules are fare enough. >If I was successful in creating an OU device I would be too busy at the = patent office, or at least trying to get >my device mass-produced before I'd try to prove myself to the skeptics. = That is my point exactly. Go for a patent. That won't convince them you = are successful. Then apply for the tests and earn some money to start = production. If they don't believe you, tear the machine apart. Let them do it. Is = this a problem? Besides your rights on it would already be secured by = the patent office. The only reason noone claims for the money is that noone has ever made = it in my point of view. The only draw back is that we can't be sure if Randi is true on paying = or they just make a rumor to play with worlds mind and make them pay = donations. I was thinking, why should they ask for donations if they have = "$1,000,000 in negotiable bonds held by an investment firm in New York" = as they claim. Sceptism might be a very profitable job to do if you know what I mean. I told you I am a sceptic :-)=20 LOL!!!!!! >(Though it would be great to see the skeptics eat their words and pay = their prize money in my lifetime). that makes two of us. Are there any other known challenges for us? I tried to find some info on google but no luck till now. ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C4F24E.E2D55860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
Happy new year. My best wishes for all.
 
John,
 
>The only problem with the tests = required=20 by Randi et al is that they seem too rigorous, or require too = much
>proof from the successful = inventor. (even=20 then I wonder if they'd be entirely satisfied!) 
 
I don't think so.
It might be true for paranormal efects which can easily be denied = but in=20 our case you can messure the energy produced.
Even they claim that there is something wrong with it, you can show = them=20 that the machine runs without external power source.
Can they deny that?
They claim, and they are right, that noone ever build one such = machine.=20 Every machine that was allowed testing proved to have a hidden power = source. The=20 others just refused testing.
I am a sceptic. I like to think for my self. I don't bite = everything that=20 is thrown to me. That doesn't mean I refuse to accept some things.
I do believe that it is possible to create such a machine and in = fact I am=20 working on it as everybody else in this list.
But, I think the rules are fare enough.
 
 
>If I was successful in creating = an OU=20 device I would be too busy at the = patent=20 office, or at least trying to get
>my device mass-produced before = I'd try to=20 prove myself to the skeptics.
 
That is my point exactly. Go for a patent. That won't convince them = you are=20 successful. Then apply for the tests and earn some money to start=20 production.
If they don't believe you, tear the machine apart. Let them do it. = Is this=20 a problem? Besides your rights on it would already be secured by the = patent=20 office.
 
The only reason noone claims for the money is that noone has ever = made it=20 in my point of view.
 
The only draw back is that we can't be sure if Randi is true on = paying or=20 they just make a rumor to play with worlds mind and make them pay=20 donations.
I was thinking, why should they ask for donations if they have = "$1,000,000 =20 in negotiable bonds held by an investment firm in New York" as they = claim.
Sceptism might be a very profitable job to do if you know what I=20 mean.
 
I told you I am a sceptic :-)
LOL!!!!!!
 
>(Though it would be great to see the skeptics eat their words and pay = their prize=20 money in my lifetime).
 
that makes two of us.
 
 
Are there any other known challenges for us?
I tried to find some info on google but no luck till now.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C4F24E.E2D55860-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 4 02:49:23 2005 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04AnB5i001114; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 02:49:15 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j04An8Xm001094; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 02:49:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 02:49:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <41DA73F4.812EAD4B@edmc.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:46:13 -0700 From: cara Organization: CIRCA Reprod'ns www.nieuports.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: James Randi offering John Bedini $1,000,000 References: <67.3b498890.2f05f229@aol.com> <006d01c4f143$52827240$071bddcb@JohnandDel> <012601c4f23e$20f0c280$1500a8c0@cardel.loc> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C7BEC8EE5B5F68783A803083" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 on ECN Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 --------------C7BEC8EE5B5F68783A803083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did read at one time that the patent office is bodied by certain "self interest" groups, among which are the oil companys and the navy. Any patent application that any one of them disagrees with can be blocked as a matter of National Security, and this seems to apply to foreign patents as well. It was discovered so when one patent was eventually released (in the 1980s) and the owner of the patent revealed the extent of the pressure he was under. He was forced to reveal every person who had knowledge of his invention, domestic and foreign, and sworn not to speak of the invention under threat of 20 years imprisonment. Given that Charles Pogue, after selling out his vapor carb idea would not so much as mention it, or even agree that he had patented it, this situation appears to be valid.. Free energy does exist and is being used within the universe. It is known and it has I believe recently been duplicated (crudely) by the Black Ops folks, from captured off world technology. The thing about it is that the power can only be profitable if transmitted along our present grid, and without letting it be known what the power source is. Such may well be the only way to do it yourself. Power your home, but don't tell anyone you've disconnected from the grid. Power your electric car but put a plug on it and carry fake batterys so no-one knows its self powered. The only profit can come from the manufacture of the device, and until that can be done and the things can be sold openly, You are the sole experimenter, or you are silenced. cara G N wrote: > Hi all,Happy new year. My best wishes for all. John, >The only problem > with the tests required by Randi et al is that they seem too rigorous, > or require too much>proof from the successful inventor. (even then I > wonder if they'd be entirely satisfied!) I don't think so.It might be > true for paranormal efects which can easily be denied but in our case > you can messure the energy produced.Even they claim that there is > something wrong with it, you can show them that the machine runs > without external power source.Can they deny that?They claim, and they > are right, that noone ever build one such machine. Every machine that > was allowed testing proved to have a hidden power source. The others > just refused testing.I am a sceptic. I like to think for my self. I > don't bite everything that is thrown to me. That doesn't mean I refuse > to accept some things.I do believe that it is possible to create such > a machine and in fact I am working on it as everybody else in this > list.But, I think the rules are fare enough. >If I was successful in > creating an OU device I would be too busy at the patent office, or at > least trying to get>my device mass-produced before I'd try to prove > myself to the skeptics. That is my point exactly. Go for a patent. > That won't convince them you are successful. Then apply for the tests > and earn some money to start production.If they don't believe you, > tear the machine apart. Let them do it. Is this a problem? Besides > your rights on it would already be secured by the patent office. The > only reason noone claims for the money is that noone has ever made it > in my point of view. The only draw back is that we can't be sure if > Randi is true on paying or they just make a rumor to play with worlds > mind and make them pay donations.I was thinking, why should they ask > for donations if they have "$1,000,000 in negotiable bonds held by an > investment firm in New York" as they claim.Sceptism might be a very > profitable job to do if you know what I mean. I told you I am a > sceptic :-)LOL!!!!!! >(Though it would be great to see the skeptics > eat their words and pay their prize money in my lifetime). that makes > two of us. Are there any other known challenges for us?I tried to > find some info on google but no luck till now. --------------C7BEC8EE5B5F68783A803083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did read at one time that the patent office is bodied by certain "self interest" groups, among which are the oil companys and the navy. Any patent application that any one of them disagrees with can be blocked as a matter of National Security, and this seems to apply to foreign patents as well.
It was discovered so when one patent was eventually released (in the 1980s) and the owner of the patent revealed the extent of the pressure he was under. He was forced to reveal every person who had knowledge of his invention, domestic and foreign, and sworn not to speak of the invention under threat of 20 years imprisonment.
Given that Charles Pogue, after selling out his vapor carb idea would not so much as mention it, or even agree that he had patented it,  this situation appears to be valid..
Free energy does exist and is being used within the universe. It is known and it has I believe recently been duplicated (crudely) by the Black Ops folks, from captured off world technology.
The thing about it is that the power can only be profitable if transmitted along our present grid, and without letting it be known what the power source is.
Such may well be the only way to do it yourself. Power your home, but don't tell anyone you've disconnected from the grid. Power your electric car but put a plug on it and carry fake batterys so no-one knows its self powered.
The only profit can come from the manufacture of the device, and until that can be done and the things can be sold openly, You are the sole experimenter, or you are silenced.
cara

G N wrote:

Hi all,Happy new year. My best wishes for all. John, >The only problem with the tests required by Randi et al is that they seem too rigorous, or require too much>proof from the successful inventor. (even then I wonder if they'd be entirely satisfied!) I don't think so.It might be true for paranormal efects which can easily be denied but in our case you can messure the energy produced.Even they claim that there is something wrong with it, you can show them that the machine runs without external power source.Can they deny that?They claim, and they are right, that noone ever build one such machine. Every machine that was allowed testing proved to have a hidden power source. The others just refused testing.I am a sceptic. I like to think for my self. I don't bite everything that is thrown to me. That doesn't mean I refuse to accept some things.I do believe that it is possible to create such a machine and in fact I am working on it as everybody else in this list.But, I think the rules are fare enough.  >If I was successful in creating an OU device I would be too busy at the patent office, or at least trying to get>my device mass-produced before I'd try to prove myself to the skeptics. That is my point exactly. Go for a patent. That won't convince them you are successful. Then apply for the tests and earn some money to start production.If they don't believe you, tear the machine apart. Let them do it. Is this a problem? Besides your rights on it would already be secured by the patent office. The only reason noone claims for the money is that noone has ever made it in my point of view. The only draw back is that we can't be sure if Randi is true on paying or they just make a rumor to play with worlds mind and make them pay donations.I was thinking, why should they ask for donations if they have "$1,000,000 in negotiable bonds held by an investment firm in New York" as they claim.Sceptism might be a very profitable job to do if you know what I mean. I told you I am a sceptic :-)LOL!!!!!! >(Though it would be great to see the skeptics eat their words and pay their prize money in my lifetime). that makes two of us.  Are there any other known challenges for us?I tried to find some info on google but no luck till now.  
--------------C7BEC8EE5B5F68783A803083-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 4 17:33:33 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j051XKG8009019; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:33:21 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j051XIAI008991; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:33:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:33:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Bob Paddock Organization: The Designer-III Company http://www.designer-iii.com/ To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: James Randi offering John Bedini $1,000,000 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:32:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <67.3b498890.2f05f229@aol.com> <012601c4f23e$20f0c280$1500a8c0@cardel.loc> <41DA73F4.812EAD4B@edmc.net> In-Reply-To: <41DA73F4.812EAD4B@edmc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501042032.44091.bpaddock@csonline.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at csonline.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j051X9G8008937 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 > The thing about it is that the power can only be profitable if > transmitted along our present grid, and without letting it be known what > the power source is. The general population does not care, nor will they pop for the money to put in the equipment in most cases. For example you live in an apartment in New York City. I'm speaking as some what of an insider, to put food on my table in the past I worked in the coal mining industry. Coal feeds power generation plants. I have spent time with the people from the biggest coal companies and equipment manufacturers.  They could care less about what new technologies might put them out of business in the future. They know its there, I have shown it to them. They are to busy worrying about the stock price for that quarter to care.  So much for the conspiracy angle.  I don't see it being any different in 'big oil'. Think about it this way:  An electrical power plant using Natural Gas or Coal has to pay for those fuel sources.  If they could buy a Mr. Fusion device to replace the money spent on the fuel stock they would jump at the opportunity. As to measuring things the US Navy has released a 12 years study/400+ page report in *SUPPORT* of Cold Fusion.  You can read it on http://www.unusualresearch.com/ . The second Cold Fusion report there gives details of how to do energy measurements *CORRECTLY*. The first red flag is "my scope shows...", next red flag is "my $1.99 volt meter shows...". A calorimeter is the right way, or build something based on heat like the Linear Tech LT1088. Perhaps a LaCroy power meter. --       http://www.softwaresafety.net/  http://www.unusualresearch.com/ http://www.bpaddock.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 4 20:10:19 2005 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j054A8YN018085; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:10:12 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j054A1Ti018034; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:10:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:10:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050105040954.47040.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:09:54 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: James Randi offering John Bedini $1,000,000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <012601c4f23e$20f0c280$1500a8c0@cardel.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 --- G N wrote: > The only draw back is that we can't be sure if Randi is true on paying > or they just make a rumor to play with worlds mind and make them pay > donations. > I was thinking, why should they ask for donations if they have > "$1,000,000 in negotiable bonds held by an investment firm in New > York" as they claim. > Sceptism might be a very profitable job to do if you know what I mean. Reality $check$ A million bucks is not alot of money. Negotiable bonds yeild poorly as the purpose of them is to be fluid (negotiable because yall gots to have it right now). Here is an example. Lets say that $1,000,000 yeilds 1.8% (high for a N-bond right now) thats $18,000 anual growth. If you pay a web-geek $45.000 a year with benifits to maintain the site (very low pay for the talent) it will cost you about $60,000 after insurance, 401K and all. This leaves you 42K in the toilet annually. So who's paying the rent, light bill and hosting fee? Doners! Now here is the other aspect of the money. I say again a million bucks is not alot of money. Try fireing up a manufacturing business on that. That is after a location (quarter mill) Tooling and insurance (quarter mill) office needs (100K) You have enough left to support 3 to 5 employees for about a year. Then its time to buy materials. Boy that million went fast, and once your product hits the market you must consider product liability insurance... I mean the thing is a generator right? Someone could get hurt. The other way to get started is the DITY method (Do IT Yourself) in which case a million bucks is a sweet beginning. Lets see... You build one for demonstration purposes... bla de bla de bla ... 5 years has passed. You are devorced, out of money and raising an illigitimate grandchild. You ahve aged 20 years for your efforts but have a company that intermitently is turning a small profit. You have to lay off two machienests (with kids) to support your CEO this year but because of the million the company has lasted 5 years instead of 5 months and looks like it may survive. Get the picture? I don't blame John for being skeptical aobut Randi. There is no payment history after all. But honestly does the thing work? I have been watching since 95' and havent seen one production unit yet. Folks it makes no differance which side of the fence you are on. Its not about the money. The challenge is there to take if you want it bad enough. Fiber Composits put a comercially built space craft into space last year because of a challenge. It was the chalenge and Burt's Dreem, not the money. They made it work. ===== Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 4 20:17:16 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j054H3OL007413; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:17:03 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j054Gx6h007379; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:16:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:16:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050105041652.9322.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:16:52 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: James Randi offering John Bedini $1,000,000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <200501042032.44091.bpaddock@csonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 --- Bob Paddock wrote: > > > The thing about it is that the power can only be profitable if > > transmitted along our present grid, and without letting it be known > what > > the power source is. > > The general population does not care, nor will they pop for the money > to put in the equipment in most cases. For example you live in an > apartment > in New York City. Hear hear! There are about a hundred homes in my negborhood. Maybe five of us geve a #$%& about the source. As bob says 1 quarter profet margens and stock prices power the industry. Unlike the chalenge and the dream day to day business really is about the money. ===== Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 6 10:37:12 2005 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06Ib4Nr026654; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:37:04 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j06Ib2rJ026620; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:37:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:37:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Videotextarchive@aol.com Message-ID: <111.40fc4cde.2f0edf3f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:36:47 EST Subject: [FG]: Free Radiant Energy from Crookes Radiometer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1105036607" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 -------------------------------1105036607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder what the largest Crookes Radiometer has ever been made. How many watts could be generated if one would succesively link 500-1000 Crookes Black/White wheels to a thin driveshaft inside a large vaccum. Enough to turn some magnets and trickle charge a battery I would imagine. Regards, Glenn -------------------------------1105036607 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
I wonder what the largest Crookes Radiometer has ever been made.
 
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Regards,
Glenn
-------------------------------1105036607-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 12 00:40:07 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0C8duR2028868; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:39:56 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0C8dmRh028818; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:39:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:39:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <111.40fc4cde.2f0edf3f@aol.com> References: <111.40fc4cde.2f0edf3f@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-510490863 Message-Id: <9B1B6660-6475-11D9-852D-00039390737A@sympatico.ca> From: Sayyad Glassford Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Radiant Energy from Crookes Radiometer Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:40:25 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 --Apple-Mail-4-510490863 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Wasn't there a movie a while back that had a desert planet's=20 electricity being provided by radiometer generators? I'd think that if=20= it could be done on earth it would have been by now. Perhaps it'd be practical in space where there is already a very large=20= vacuum and there is a lot more radiation. They could be made from=20 inexpensive and light plastics instead of fragile and relatively heavy=20= glass for cheap and simple (maybe automatic) deployment. I'd certainly spend some time playing with radiometers and generators=20 if I had the capacity to produce a decent vacuum, you never know what=20 you might discover. On 6-Jan-05, at 1:36 PM, Videotextarchive@aol.com wrote: > =A0 > =A0 > I wonder what the largest Crookes Radiometer=A0has ever been made. > =A0 > How many watts could be=A0generated if one would succesively link=20 > 500-1000 Crookes Black/White wheels to a thin=A0driveshaft inside a=20 > large vaccum. > =A0 > Enough to turn some magnets and trickle charge a battery I would=20 > imagine. > =A0 > =A0 > Regards, > Glenn =20 =20= --Apple-Mail-4-510490863 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wasn't there a movie a while back that had a desert planet's electricity being provided by radiometer generators? I'd think that if it could be done on earth it would have been by now.=20 Perhaps it'd be practical in space where there is already a very large vacuum and there is a lot more radiation. They could be made from inexpensive and light plastics instead of fragile and relatively heavy glass for cheap and simple (maybe automatic) deployment.=20 I'd certainly spend some time playing with radiometers and generators if I had the capacity to produce a decent vacuum, you never know what you might discover. On 6-Jan-05, at 1:36 PM, Videotextarchive@aol.com wrote: = Arial=A0<= /fontfamily> = Arial=A0 ArialI wonder what the largest Crookes Radiometer=A0has ever been = made. = Arial=A0 ArialHow many watts could be=A0generated if one would succesively link 500-1000 Crookes Black/White wheels to a thin=A0driveshaft inside a large = vaccum. = Arial=A0 ArialEnough to turn some magnets and trickle charge a battery I would = imagine. = Arial=A0 = Arial=A0 = ArialRegards, = ArialGlenn =20= --Apple-Mail-4-510490863-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 15 10:58:07 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0FIvsaQ002310; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:57:55 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0FIvjYh002223; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:57:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:57:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4FP6Arg6ut2IyLaaG981rwHFDF1C6STYvzEMlOBSLjH13H5/+5RQ/Dj/8SP7qUe9B4nIOFkghg5Hj7NXt1jX4nMTqZ8hpQaUdMes5SeR2X8QpX+vsQr0ENVznHjYoqp4K83cgqDGVmj+B0G7wwMSu1L+DWOWNmVczAs7+0cXqcQ= ; Message-ID: <20050115185738.65189.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: E S Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Radiant Energy from Crookes Radiometer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <9B1B6660-6475-11D9-852D-00039390737A@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1814594736-1105815458=:60798" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 --0-1814594736-1105815458=:60798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, Yes indeed there was such a movie, it was called "Pitch Black" and was actually pretty good considering it had a small budget and the fact that Vin Diesel was in it! Take Care, Ed Sayyad Glassford wrote: Wasn't there a movie a while back that had a desert planet's electricity being provided by radiometer generators? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. --0-1814594736-1105815458=:60798 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey,
 
Yes indeed there was such a movie, it was called "Pitch Black" and was actually pretty good considering it had a small budget and the fact that Vin Diesel was in it!
 
Take Care,
Ed

Sayyad Glassford <sayyad@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Wasn't there a movie a while back that had a desert planet's
electricity being provided by radiometer generators?

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Manage less. --0-1814594736-1105815458=:60798-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 28 10:58:15 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SIvk1H012651; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:57:47 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0SIvRV2012500; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: From: R.O.Cornwall@brighton.ac.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:57:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-UoB-Sender: R.O.Cornwall@brighton.ac.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Superluminal updated a bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 13 Freenrg, A bit better in the light of some comments now. http://luna.brighton.ac.uk/~roc1/index.htm Just follow links. Regards, Remi. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 30 16:56:57 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V0uaZj001568; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:56:36 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0V0uOVQ001465; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:56:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:56:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <1574.24.229.238.51.1107132972.squirrel@webmail.chilitech.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:56:12 -0500 (EST) From: enki@chilitech.net To: H2Opower@topica.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0o9TLB.A.nW.2IY_BB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 The Hydrogen News # 27 In this issue: Story# 1 Team sets out to circle the globe in H2 powered boat Story # 2 Venture cap money available for H2 R&D Story # 4 Guantanimo goes green Story #39 More free software Story # 40 It is so warm in Russia this winter that the bears can't sleep.... My Story: Damien's Machine -------------Notice------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Hydrogen News is a free publication but if anyone would like to slip a couple of bucks my way to help with buying equipment to further my research I would appreciate it. I now have a Pay-Pal "Donate" button on my blog and my website for this purpose. Blog: http://enki.tblog.com Website: http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Damien's Machine By Mike Johnston Copyright 2005 Intriguing title, isn't it? You know where it comes from, right? If not let me refresh your memory; in the book/movie The Omen 3, Damien Thorn (the Antichrist) develops a new source of free energy which is assumed to be for the purpose of leading the uneducated and morally bankrupt masses of the world into damnation. Not really a ringing endorsement of alternative energy is it? I guess that is why the movie annoyed me when it came out (70's?). I suppose that "inevitable doom" interpretation of the book of Revelation means that God wants us to go on using fossil fuels until they either run out or we all die from the consequences of using them. Or maybe it assumes that we must, to fulfill Divine design, start building more nuclear power plants. After all, the goal of good folk everywhere should be to destroy the world that we all know and love in order to open the pathway for the triumphal return of Jesus Christ shouldn't it? But what about the Thorn Industries device itself? I don't think that the movie really went into describing how it was supposed to work but I do remember what it looked like. It was a low, factory type building which was situated right along the seashore. It had a large, metal ball above it which was supported by a cylindrical tower, sort of like a huge Van De Graff generator. It didn't mean anything to me at the time and still is only a fictional product of the writer's or filmmaker's imagination but the image stuck with me. As I describe my line of reasoning in this story you will see why the memory of that Satanic power plant resurfaced in my mind as I considered various ways to produce hydrogen from water in more efficient ways and how that plant might be adapted to become one possible incarnation of the particular method that I am going to describe for you here (besides it made a great title). First off let's have a look at the fictional power source and see if we can identify the key components which would be involved in it's operation as best we can from the above description. There is the Van De Graff ball above the plant, that could be taken to represent a high voltage power supply. Or if you wanted to be a bit more specific you could say a high voltage, electrostatic power source. Next is the proximity of the plant to water, the ocean. From that we could surmise that water is another component of this (hypothetical) free power source. Since the ocean is salty (NaCl is an electrolyte), we might also assume that water with an electrolyte is a major component. From those two ingredients we could make some fairly realistic projections about how the system might have been able to work. Obviously using electricity and water with an electrolyte we can produce hydrogen fuel and so perhaps hydrogen was the intended result of this system? But it takes energy to produce hydrogen from water so how could this be a "free" energy system? On the other hand it takes more energy to turn a windmill than is produced by the generator that is attached to it and so how could that provide usable energy? Simple, it just depends on where you get your primary energy from. If you can find a source of energy which already exists in the environment (such as wind) then use that energy to generate electricity (as in the case of a windmill) or to split water and store the resulting hydrogen gas for later use then such a system becomes quite viable. Next we should have a look at our planet and see if we can identify such a source of energy. I will outline two here that aren't being discussed too much in the mainstream press (or anywhere else for that matter). There are other embodiments of these sources but I won't go into those yet as I may want to try to make a buck or two off one of them. The Earth is part of a larger system and the energy of this system is supplied (by and large) by the Sun. The charged particles leaving the sun and radiating out into space are called the Solar Wind. As these particles hit the upper atmosphere they cause this part of the atmosphere to become electrically charged and to form a plasma. This is the plasmasphere. As a result of this charging by the sun the plasmasphere has a certain electrical potential (charge). Way down below on the ground there is a different potential (charge). Between these two plates is the dielectric, the air. Of course there is water vapor in the air as well as the air itself being made of several different gasses so it is a mixed dielectric. So the difference in charge between these two points could be called a potential difference or voltage. In essence then the Earth is acting as a huge, spherical capacitor (http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~vawter/PhysicsNet/Topics/Capacitors/EarthCap.html). Those of us who live here on the ground are living on one plate of a fully charged electrical capacitor. Think about that, we live in a sea of invisible energy and we don't even realize it. I would like to inject here two points for your consideration which are not really related to the main topic of this article but are still worth thinking about. One is that, since the Earth is a capacitor and the air between the ground and the plasmasphere is the dielectric of this capacitor it is interesting to think about what might be the effects of any substantial changes in the composition of the dielectric. All dielectric substances have different levels of permeability. This determines how much of a potential difference is required to cause dielectric breakdown (when electric current is able to pass through the dielectric). If the air dielectric was to break down, for example, it might permit electrical current to flow directly between the Plasmasphere and the surface of the planet. Sort of like huge bolts of lightning of a type never before seen. I thought it was an interesting concept. Following that train of thought one has to think about how the atmosphere has been changed recently. We have seen the addition of many new substances to the atmosphere. Chloroflurocarbons were the first one that we decided could bring about substantial changes to a vital part of out atmosphere (the Ozone Layer). Now we are looking at Carbon Dioxide as the next pollutant which is present in large enough concentrations to change the composition of the atmosphere in general with rather negative consequences for life forms who a) breathe oxygen and b) like to live in somewhat moderate temperatures. What about water though? Burning fossil fuels creates water where no water existed before. It also takes oxygen out of the atmosphere and bonds it into this water that it creates as well as into CO2 gas that it also creates (CH4 +2O2 ----> CO2 + 2H2O). So the Earth has more water and free carbon dioxide today than it did 200 years ago and less oxygen due to the use of fossil fuels. Much of this water is injected directly into the atmosphere as steam from auto exhaust and jet aircraft exhaust. A recent study discovered water higher in the atmosphere than it was ever detected before (at the quantities measured). If this atmospheric water was pure H2O it would be just one more addition to the atmospheric dielectric but it isn't pure. Another pollutant created by burning fossil fuels is Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) which, when mixed with water, becomes Sulfuric Acid (H2SO4). So much of this new atmospheric water is acidulated by sulfuric acid. The most well known evidence of this is the acid rain which has been a problem for some time now. But another, less well known/discussed effect is that, by mixing a substance like sulfuric acid (which is an electrolyte) with water the resulting solution is no longer a dielectric, it becomes an electrical conductor. A very different situation indeed when you consider that by putting an electrical conductor higher and in greater concentrations in the insulating atmosphere than it has ever been before we are effectively decreasing the distance between the Plasmasphere plate of our planetary capacitor and the Ground plate. The closer two plates of a capacitor are the less dielectric that is between them and the less voltage that is required to cause dielectric breakdown and for current to flow directly between the two plates. What are the implications? I am not sure. As best as I can tell from asking a couple of climate change researchers no one is looking at these particular things in this way. I guess we will just have to wait and see. Back to my main topic though. We are living on one plate of a capacitor and we would like to find a way to use the energy of the capacitor that we live on to separate water and store the resulting H2 as a fuel. Ok, seems simple enough. What we need first is a way to collect this planetary energy and to direct it to flow between our point of collection and another point of lower electrical potential. In this pathway between these two points of different potential we will install our hydrogen producing mechanism so that current flows though it. What if we were to create a "capacitor within a capacitor"? Have a look at these pages before you read further as I will utilize concepts presented in them in this paper: (1) http://amasci.com/tesla/spark.html (2) http://www.amasci.com/amateur/whygnd.html These pages contain a good explanation of planetary electrical energy by Bill Beatty, an electrical engineer and acquaintance of mine. In the second paper referenced above in the 2nd through 5th paragraphs is a nice encapsulation of the framework for the first device proposed. Illustration: ( http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/damien1.JPG ) The illustration I prepared is rather simple and without doubt could probably use a lot of work to make it something viable but we have to start somewhere, don't we? At any rate, in it you see a wire which serves as the other capacitor plate (the ground being the first). This Capacitive Antenna is mounted on wooden poles 30' high and the antenna is 200' long. At that height we should be able to get several hundred volts of charge built up on the wire. That wire then runs to an electrolysis cell and from there to a ground stake. That way any charge that builds up on the wire will have to drain through our electrolysis cell to get to the ground. Of course while it passes through the electrolysis cell the current will produce H2 and O2 gas from the water. Electrolysis cells require a certain minimum voltage to operate, depending on the electrolyte used (usually 2 volts or less) and until this minimum voltage build up on the wire the cell will act like a capacitor itself. Once sufficient charge builds up the cell will act as a conductor and drain away the excess charge. An engineer might make many beneficial modifications to such a system. Such modifications might include using the antenna wire as a high voltage source and pulsing the DC charge by installing an oscillator or some such electronic component and then use a transformer to convert the high voltage low current of the antenna to low voltage high current on it's secondary as the current level not the voltage is what determines how much H2 is produced in an electrolysis cell. That is probably the simplest free hydrogen system that I can show you and it is a working embodiment of the Damien device from the movie. Cool, ain't it? Another way to produce a more or less permanent voltage from naturally occurring conditions on the Earth, still using the ocean as a critical component, would be to use the ocean itself. You see the salinity of the water in the ocean is not at a constant level throughout. In deeper water there is a higher concentration of salt than there is in shallow water or in bays where a lot of fresh water is entering the ocean and diluting it's salinity. Why is this important? As I pointed out earlier salt is an electrolyte. This means that when it is placed in water salt splits into electrically charged pieces (ions) NaCL ----> Na+ + Cl- . The PH value of a solution which is familiar in that it shows whether a solution is acid or basic can also be used to determine the electrical charge of such a solution. The more ions present the higher the charge. If the negative ion has the higher charge the solution is acidic and if the positive ion has the higher charge it is positively charged. One can say that is all well and good but because there are an equal number of positive and negative ions in a solution then the solution overall is electrically neutral. You would be correct BUT if you compare two different containers of water with different concentrations of the same electrolyte in them (such as salt), even though both solutions are electrically neutral on an individual basis, one container has a significantly higher number of charged particles overall and because of this there is a measurable potential difference between those two containers or between different concentrations of salt at different depths in the ocean. This charge would probably be somewhat static though and some method of oscillating the charge between two or more plates of some inert metal (one at each depth desired) would probably be needed in order to make use of this permanent charge to separate water and produce H2 fuel. That isn't the point though, the point is that there are MANY sources of free electrical energy available to us naturally in the environment around us which could potentially be utilized to produce hydrogen fuel from water for us to use. H2 from water is a totally non-polluting energy source and it doesn't rob oxygen from the environment either or release CO2 or any other pollutant into the environment. Just based on that isn't H2 from water the fuel that we should be putting all our research efforts into? As I promised in the last H2 News I have tried to put together here a somewhat persuasive argument for the viability of two methods to produce free H2 from water. Hopefully the somewhat novel way of doing it (using Damien's Machine as an example) was at least slightly amusing. These methods are very simple to understand with no moving parts to wear out and would, if indeed they are possible, do wonders for the implementation of the Hydrogen Economy. Imagine that, no more buying heating oil for your home or gas for your car! No more pollution! And it is possible NOW, not in 20 years. As long as the Earth is here this will work because it uses the free energy that is provided by the planet itself. I love science. -END- ----------Advertisement------------------------------------------------------------------ E! Magazine is your source for cutting edge environmental news. https://www.kable.com/pub/enmg/subTrial.asp?src=QSA136 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hydrogen News Links: (1) AROUND the world on hydrogen Dubbing their endeavor The Hydrogen Expedition, Hilman and teammates are gearing up to circumnavigate the globe in a hydrogen-fuel-cell-powered boat. ... http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage1839.html ( Cool, cool, cool. ED.) (2) West Coast Private Equity Conference ACG San Francisco and the Haas School of Business are proud to present their Second Annual West Coast Private Equity Conference Wednesday, January 19th, 2005 10:00am - 6:30pm 8:30 AM Registration Opens 10:00 AM The Double Bottom Line The Honorable Phil Angelides, California State Treasurer, CalPERS and CalSTRS Board Member 11:00 AM Networking Session 12:15 PM Lunch & Keynote Speaker The Similar Worlds of Sports and Private Equity Steve Young, Co-Founder & Managing Director, Sorenson Capital 2:30 PM Haas Business School Panel Dean Richard Lyons - Foreign Currency Risk Holly Schroth - Negotiations Kellie McElhaney - Corporate Governance 3:30-6:30 PM ACG Capital Connection and Wine Reception Printable registration form: please go to our web site at www.acg.org/sanfrancisco (Have a cutting edge H2 energy idea? Here is your ticket to fame and fortune. ED.) (3) CHBC Alliances Conference In conjunction with our upcoming General Meeting February 25 in Torrance, the California Hydrogen Business Council invites you to attend a special Two-Day Workshop on Business Alliances http://www.californiahydrogen.org/page.cfm?content=17&event_ID=26 (Want to form alliances with successful H2 related companies? Here is your meeting. ED.) (4) Guantanamo military base to be powered partly by wind http://grist.org/cgi-bin/forward.pl?forward_id=4037 (5) SAE India developing hydrogen vehicle SAE India is working on a proposal to launch a hydrogen powered vehicle by 2008. The chairman of ... http://www.awknowledge.com/AEM/content.asp?contentid=32888 (6) USDA Publishes Rules for Federal Purchasing of Bioproducts http://www.usda.gov/2005/01/0005.xml (Want to sell your fryer grease to the Feds? Here's how. Ed.) (7) FIRM to oversee hydrogen-power buses for the city Imagine the vehicle of the future, equipped with a hydrogen-fuel-cell-based engine and wireless Internet access for professionals on the go. ... http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=27746 (But we can't get fuel cells for our houses or our vehicles? Hint: a fuel cell big enough to power a bus would easily power your house. ED.) (8) GREEN hydrogen buses are a 'hit' He said that the trials were a "positive indication that hydrogen fuel cells could offer an alternative to diesel in the future". ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4173535.stm (Hydrogen houses would begood too. You could use solar or wind to produce your H2 and.... Nevermind. ED.) (9) ALTERNATIVE-FUEL vehicles star, but wide use is miles away "It's not an especially expensive or energy-intensive process. ...and storage costs would make hydrogen, very roughly ... as expensive as gasoline, but fuel cells are ... http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-01-11-auto-show_x.htm ( And anything that burns gasoline can burn H2 with a few relatively easy modifications. Of course H2 fueled BUSSES are affordable but not cars, oh no, not cars. Not for YOU anyway! hahahahaha ED.) (10) Student's Wave Energy Invention Wins National Award His invention was the "Gyro-Gen," a gyroscope that converts ocean wave energy into electricity. The spinning gyroscope, mounted in a buoy, resists the movement of the waves by exerting torque on a crank, which turns an electric generator. http://www.siemens-foundation.org/2004/2004-05%20National%20Winners%20Release%20FINAL.pdf (11) ONTARIO set to boost fuel cell development The program could also help Ontario's automotive, manufacturing and petrochemical sectors stay competitive in the hydrogen economy, should it ever emerge. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1105656610692&call_pageid=970599119419 (12) GM: Hydrogen fuel cells clearly industry's driving force Electric-gasoline hybrid vehicles and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles that emit only water vapor are the future, Larry Burns, GM's vice president of research and ... http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050113/NEWS03/501130347/1001/news (13) FORD receives new hydrogen systems from Dynetek Ford's new E-450 shuttle bus will be fitted with Dynetek's hydrogen fuel storage systems. http://www.awknowledge.com/ACA/content.asp?contentid=32857 (14) HONDA fuel-cell cars to be available in US If you're waiting to get your hands on one of Honda's zero-emission hydrogen fuel-cell cars, this may be your year. http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000913027221/ ( Wait, I thought these wouldn't be available for years? Hmmmm, something fishy here. All you need is a solar electrolyzer and you will never buy gas again. ED.) (15) ENCAPSULATION of Molecular Hydrogen in Fullerene C 60 by Organic ... This process can be used to synthesize a fullerene C 60 encapsulating molecular hydrogen, which can be isolated as a pure product. ... http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/307/5707/238 (16) NANOMIX Receives Additional US Patent in Alternative Energy ... The system employs a combination of thermal insulation and an enclosure for the storage and controlled distribution of hydrogen as a high-energy fuel. ... http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050113/sfth030_1.html (17) INDUSTRY split over future of hybrid cars Split this week over which fuel efficient, lower emission, engines will prove to be the wave of the future - hybrid, clean diesel or hydrogen fuel cell. ... http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage1849.html (18) WATER, WATER EVERYWH ... HEY, WHERE'D THE WATER GO? Agriculture needs to start conserving water, badly http://grist.org/cgi-bin/forward.pl?forward_id=3989 ( Damn, now water will cost as much as gasoline. Guess I will be buying my water from EXXON soon. ED.) (19) CALIFORNIA'S Hydrogen Future: A Senate Briefing Transportation Studies will brief US senators and staffers on the future of fuel cell vehicles and California's pioneering efforts to build a hydrogen economy. ... http://www.news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=7250 (20) Home-Made Biofuels Are Best - UK Green Groups http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/29052/story.htm (21) WAY cleared for start of hydrogen pipeline A proposed 12-inch hydrogen gas pipeline in Lucas County (Ohio) received approval yesterday from the Ohio Power Siting Board, clearing the way for ... http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050111/BUSINESS06/501110413 ( Distributing the H2 for those fuel cell buses that aren't at all like the fuel cell cars you can't buy yet, unless you buy them from Honda. ED.) (22) Green Energy Resources Shareholder Update for 2004-2005 http://www.enn.com/press.html?id=69 (23) UK Hydrogen Energy Strategic Framework -- Analysis (December 2004 ...) The key message from the analysis is that for the UK, the use of hydrogen as a transport fuel offers significant opportunities for cost-competitive CO2 ... http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage1825.html (24) HOW high oil prices can be green Sustained oil prices are also driving the development of the next generation of vehicle engine, the hydrogen fuel cell. http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=17853&cat_id=9 ( As well as record profits for the oil companies. I could also tell you why it is good for the profitability of a company to keep the wages of workers like you as low as is possible and to eliminate such frivolous perks as health insurance and pensions. You understand that right? It is good for the overall economy for you and millions of others like you to live in poverty. That is simply the truth. The more a company can lower it's costs the more profitable it is and the more profitable it is the more money it can spend on $100,000 wedding gowns and $40,000,000 coronation parties. Thanks America, now get back to work, Daddy needs a new Lamborghini. ED.) (25) STARK has what it takes It would rely on nonpolluting "clean-coal" technology to extract hydrogen from coal and use the hydrogen to make electricity in fuel cells or gas turbines. ... http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=3&ID=202195&r=0 (Remember friends, in "Clean Coal" technologies most or all of the H2 produced comes from the water used, NOT the Coal. ED.) (26) White House, Pentagon, Industry Secretly Colluded To Skew National Academy Of Sciences Perchlorate Report, Documents Show http://www.enn.com/aff.html?id=314 (Is this a surprise? It's ok though Republicans can do no wrong.Wait till you guys retire and get your first Social Security check. hehehehehe ED.) (27) HYBRIDS and hydrogen rule The most dramatic fuel-cell news, visually at least, comes from GM, which has rolled out a crossover concept called Sequel, powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. ... http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1105614487714&call_pageid=970599119419 (28) Rising Seas Threaten Islands, Cities, Coasts It sounds insignificant alongside the Indian Ocean tsunami, yet an almost imperceptible annual rise in the world's oceans may pose a huge threat to ports, coasts and islands by 2100. http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=6908 ( Luckily though there is no such thing as global warming/climate change. "W" says so and we all know what a genius he is.ED.) (29) JAPAN proposes huge cuts in emissions By 2100, most energy consumption will be met by renewable energy sources such as nuclear power, hydrogen energy and solar energy. ... http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?StoryId=CqEsU0eidAMfWyw4Tzw5LCMD5Cg9SAwn5 (30) Toyota Europe Aims to Sell 20,000 Prius Hybrids in Europe http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/29066/story.htm ( No doubt they will too. Europeans are just such damn tree huggers, aren't they? Just remember Europe, the jet stream flows west to east.ED.) (31) Powerful Storm Kills Three in Britain http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/28970/story.htm (32) Sustainability must be in hearts and minds of government Sustainability urgently needs to be put at the heart of all government policies, a report by the Sustainable Development Commission (SDC) has stated. http://www.edie.net/news/news_story.asp?id=9401&channel=1 (33) Top global scientific minds meet to study climate change Top scientists from the UK and Japan have joined forces to create a super-technology for predicting climate change in the 21st Century. http://www.edie.net/news/news_story.asp?id=9389&channel=6 (34) Canadian Researcher Invents New Solar Cell http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/28991/story.htm (35) Fossil Fuel Curbs May Speed Global Warming http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/28964/story.htm (36) Spain's Gamesa to Build Wind Power Plant in US http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/29068/story.htm ( At least somebody is. ED.) (37) The Changing Arctic: Indigenous Perspectives http://www.enn.com/aff.html?id=318 ( Get it? Keyword: Changing. THe Earth today is not like it was within human memory. Period. The government can only pull their Ostrich act for so long. ED.) (38) Svalbard's Marine Mammals in a Warmer, Wetter, Wilder Arctic http://www.enn.com/aff.html?id=321 ( No climate change, no climate change, no climate change....is it gone yet? ED.) (39) Free Sustainable Transport Advice for SMEs TransportEnergy BestPractice introduces new training CD-Rom for business advisers and trainers http://www.edie.net/news/news_story.asp?id=9379&channel=6 (40) Warm Russian Winter Drives Bears Out of Bed http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/28960/story.htm ( Bad bears! Back to hibernation! There is NO GLOBAL WARMING!!!! Please, someone, shoot those damn bears and hide the carcasses, ALL IS WELL! ED.) 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I now have a Pay-Pal "Donate" button on my blog and my website for this purpose. Blog: http:enki.tblog.com Website: http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Future Is Now To say that the hold that human civilization has on this planet is a fragile and tenuous one seems untrue in these days of talk of life extention to one thousand years or more and unlimited capitalist expansion and growth through globalization. Yet in this past year, with the Tsunami, we have seen just how fast that natural conditions on the Earth can align themselves together to bring about a scale of human destruction so profound as to be nearly indescribable and yet at the same time spare the lives of most of the animals and plants of the area. At the same time we have read stories about Climate Change and how grass is growing in Antarctica, Russian bears who can't sleep, fish and animal species that are moving into areas where they never lived before to take advantage of new temperatures and seen the damage caused by the melting of the Permafrost in the Arctic. With the recent passing of the Kyoto Treaty there is now a glut of climate change stories in the news and this issue will be filled with many of those links. Stories with such attention grabbing titles as ;"A Glimpse of Hell", "Global Warming is Real"and "Food Scarcity Predicted" are just the tip of the iceberg. With those stories in mind, after stocking up on shotgun shells and bottled water, I remembered the words to a song by Bob Seger and I think you will agree that the lyrics to that song are sort of prescient in regard to this issue. In Your Time By Bob Seger In your time the innocence will fall away In your time the mission bells will toll All along the corridors and riverbeds They'll be signs.....In your time Towering waves will crash across your southern capes massive storms will reach your eastern shores Fields of green will tumble through your summer days, by design, In your time Feel the wind and set yourself the bolder course Keep your heart as open as a shrine You'll sail the perfect line and after all the dead ends and the lessons learned after all the stars have turned to stone There'll be peace,..... across the great unbroken void all benign.......in your time You'll be fine,.... in your time. ******************************************************************************** Here is the article by guest writer Eric Kreig: Pseudo-Science claims about Hydrogen By Eric the skeptic For every real area of science is a whole underworld of falsehood. Particularly with cutting edge science and particularly on the internet, one can find a wealth of exciting – yet WRONG claims. Such misinformation is spawned by a triumvirate of self-taught idiots, wide-eyed lunatics and by con men. For any advocate of a hydrogen future comes the unfortunate public service responsibility of debunking myths about hydrogen. One of the most pernicious hydrogen urban legends is that of "Browns Gas". Don't snicker. It is only a stoichemetrc ratio of hydrogen and oxygen – it was known of long before a nut named Yull Brown claimed to invent it. I provide a web page on information and misinformation on the subject at HYPERLINK "http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm"www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm For sake of space a quick summary of false claims about it include: * It can heal sickness. * It can render radioactive materials safe. * You can get more energy out of burning it than it takes to separate it. * It implodes rather than explodes and is perfectly safe. * You can safely pressurize it. ****************************************************************************************** Water Based Transistors By Mike Johnston Copyright 2005 A few issues back I looked at how you could create water based electronic components. In that story I mentioned that I hadn't been able to figure out how to build a water based tansistor. Now I have. Not exactly what I thought one would look like and perhaps not exactly what it is but I think calling it a transistor is a reasonably good description of it's form and function (click here for a description of how transistors work: http://www.amasci.com/amateur/transis.html ) In essence a transistor allows a small electrical current to control a large current. In the case of the concept that I am going to lay out for you here you could think of it as a small electrical current controlling a large electrochemical current. Remember that the larger the current in an electrolysis cell the more H2 that is produced. In this water based transistor one of the main components will be an electrical plasma. So first off let's get a simple definition of a plasma; "A plasma is a gas in which an important fraction of the atoms is ionized, so that the electrons and ions are separately free." This ionization occurs when enough energy is present in the form of heat or electrical energy. You could say then that, in this respect, a container of water with electrolyte in it resembles a low energy, liquid state plasma since the atoms of electrolyte in the water are separated into ions.Interestingly enough the behavior of semiconducors is explained as Solid State Plasma. Some examples of plasmas are; the Solar Wind, the Earth's own Plasmasphere, Fluorescent Lights and welding arcs. For information on various types of plasmas go to: http://www.plasmas.org/basics.htm Plasma illustration: http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/plasma_d.gif For the sake of simplicity here I am going to condense things as much as I can. If you would like more in depth information on some of the things that I am going to mention I would suggest that you download the MIT course on Plasma (it is free to download) from: ( http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html ). MIT is doing some interesting work with plasmas in relation to hot fusion reactors. When a plasma is created between two metallic conductors via an electrical arc structres can form within the arc which are called plasma tubes. These tubes are created due to the way that the electrons and ions in the plasma interact with and are moved by the electromagnetic fields within the plasma. In the following illustrations you can see how charged particles move in a plasma and how they form "tubes". Figure 1: In this illustration you see particles forming their looping, vortex paths. http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/Figure1.bmp Figure 2: In this drawing you see the looping orbit of charged particles forming a tube around a magnetic field. http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/Figure2.bmp Figure 3: In this drawing you are introduced to Charge Separation within the plasma tubes. http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/Figures3.bmp Charge Separation is very interesting for the purpose of this paper. What happens is that the oppositely charged particles within a plasma tend to move to opposite sides of the plasma tube creating a positively charged side and a negatively charged side. Remember that this is true even though the overall plasma itself is still electrically neutral because there are an equal number of positively and negatively charged particles involved. In the next illustration you see two metal electrodes with an electrical arc between them. Note that the charged particles in this plasma arc are separated to opposite sides of the plasma. Figure 4 http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/Figure4.bmp If we were to create this electrical under water, or under water that contains an electrolyte an interesting potential seems to present itself. Figure 5 http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/Figure5.bmp The positive and negative ions in the water should be expected to be attracted to the side of the plasma tube which is charged oppositely to thier own charge. Figure 6 http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/Figure6.bmp In this last illustration we see that, once the oppositely charged ions are attracted to the sides of the plasma tube the potential exists for a transfer of electrons to take place across the plasma itself. The result would be that H2 gas would be formed on one side of the plasma and O2 gas on the other side. Why is this important? The result should be that, if we limit the current in the metal portion of the circuit,through the electrodes, that a plasma will still be formed with less energy consumed and that a second electrochemical current will be able to flow across the plasma. This second current could potentially be much larger than the electrical current which is being used to form the plasma. It would also allow more H2 to be produced overall than would be predicted based on the current through the electrodes and this has been noted by researchers who are trying to produce H2 with a plasma arc. 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Date: Monday & Tuesday, March 21 & 22, 2005 Place: Mobile, Alabama We are sorry, but at this time only business interests and news media are invited to the demonstration. For demonstration details, please contact: Joseph Nolfe, WAI President at (205) 835-9022 for exact directions to the demonstration. http://www.josephnewman.com "The Theory I propose may ... be called a Theory of the Electromagnetic Field because it has to do with the space in the neighborhood of the electric or magnetic bodies, AND IT MAY BE CALLED A DYNAMICAL THEORY, BECAUSE IT ASSUMES THAT IN THAT SPACE THERE IS MATTER IN MOTION, BY WHICH THE OBSERVED ELECTROMAGNETIC PHENOMENA ARE PRODUCED." --- JAMES CLERK MAXWELL --============_-1101713081==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" ********PRESS RELEASE: 03/09/05
The proceeds from this and other projects
will be used to help bring forward
the mass production of Joseph Newman's Energy Machine technology:

Wind Acceleration, Inc. (WAI)
announces a demonstration of an
ENERGY WIND DEVICE
FORTY TIMES MORE EFFICIENT
than conventional blade devices
occupying the same spatial area.

Date:
Monday & Tuesday, March 21 & 22, 2005

Place:
Mobile, Alabama

We are sorry, but at this time
only business interests and news media
are invited to the demonstration.

For demonstration details, please contact: 

Joseph Nolfe, WAI President
at (205) 835-9022
for exact directions to the demonstration.

http://www.josephnewman.com


"The Theory I propose may ... be called a Theory of the Electromagnetic Field
because it has to do with the space in the neighborhood of the electric or magnetic bodies,
AND IT MAY BE CALLED A DYNAMICAL THEORY,
BECAUSE IT ASSUMES THAT IN THAT SPACE THERE IS MATTER IN MOTION,
BY WHICH THE OBSERVED ELECTROMAGNETIC PHENOMENA ARE PRODUCED."  
--- JAMES CLERK MAXWELL

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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hnzeXxZXcOvjhcwvylYy/DTYU+Zrgm30M4SK6hVFdJLJcRH3O+ulU/MgHZy5lvKoZIX9yjQV+AOw4A33KFBsJlzD+JkiUmP+0iJ5po9nb4tMK4kAs2/lr/ZpsoC+O528/3hHWOfZg7uVRCczRfH24pMm3Ra8w7RaGts7HyPrmDE= ; Message-ID: <20050310181932.89724.qmail@web51702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:19:31 -0800 (PST) From: jerry volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1149586715-1110478771=:87905" Resent-Message-ID: <_Y-YM.A.LjG.F_IMCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 --0-1149586715-1110478771=:87905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Field Energy When the term Field Energy is mentioned, magnetism and rf effects come readily to mind, since these kind of energies produce their surrounding fields. However, there's also a different kind of energy - referred to as Higher, or Raised, Energy - and this is the kind of energy, existing as a Field, which will likely be used for Field Propulsion. This kind of energy is produced when two different energy waves overlap, from the same direction, from opposing directions, or from some angle. When the energy which makes up the Field is in the visible spectrum, the Field Energy is noticably different than regular light in its appearance. This is something which allows the various effects to be characterised. A picture showing some of these effects is at: http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/artifacts.htm Click on the image for an enlarged view and consider the assembly in the upper left part of the picture. It consists of a large spherical ornament positioned above the bottom of an aluminum can, with a couple of adjacent resmods. (Resmod is short for RESonant MODulus and this type of object is externally resonant, with a high Q.) The ornament is supported by the same type of grid tube used in the resmods, with the tube also supporting an "F" electrode made from copper foil with a dielectric glue on the inner surface. ("F" stands for Field, but it also referrs to the shape of the electrode with opposing plates.) This electrode also has a short horizontal flange on the right, or closed, side. This flange appears to be smeared out vertically, a photographic artifact which also appears in the orriginal Polaroid image. The picture shows three different types of Field Energy, identifiable by the colors red, blue, and white, with the red and blue being mixed and appearing as purple. The Field Energy is electro-optical, which means that it can be conducted as well as focused or radiated, so electro-optical energy components don't have to be physically connected. The source of the Energy is the camera's flash tube. The flash stays on for an interval which allows light from the reflector to be compared with more light which the tube gives off an instant later, towards the direction of the assembly, rather than the reflector. The reflection, along with the time delay, allows the two light beams - one reflected and one not - to combine out of phase, producing a Field potential. This Field potential becomes visible when it interacts with the resmod detectors. When the two beams are out of phase by 180 degrees the combined Field looks blue. When the phase delay is 90 degrees the combined Field looks red. And when all phase shift angles are added together the combined Field looks white. (The random phases are why the tops of clouds look white.) With the flash tube source, the phase shifts are random, so a little of each of these colors are produced in this manner, but the Field Energy components of the photo flash's light are discontinuous. Also, the Field Energy effects with this assembly, including the opacity, are minimal when only one resmod is used, so the Field coherence, and color seperation, occurs in the assembly itself. The reverse symetry relationship of the two resmod conductors allows the Higher Energy to seperate from the normal light which can only radiate. But an "L" shaped resmod assembly can also be useful, and should recieve further consideration, since the exciting energy is available in the background. Still, the double reflection in the spherical gradient produces the white on its own. One resmod is coplanar with the "F" electrode, which allows the resmod's axial projection to change directions. The power level of the Field Energy shown in the picture is low, but there's still a noticable interaction between the Field Energy and normal light reflected from the base board. This is why a round spot of white paint on the board looks triangular, at the left hand edge of the Field. The Field is weak enough that the background light can partially split the edge of the Field, but not very far in. This illustrates that Field Energy is opaque and suggests that this kind of energy can be used as a shield against electromagnetic radiation, including lasers and microwaves. Of equal importance is the way that the Field is projected out of the "F" channel, something which is caused by a property of the red energy which causes it to rotate around its own axis as it propagates. This causes the leading edge to stretch out beyond the distance normal light would travel in the same time. The red color is indicative of the length of the propagation's spiral, rather than the exact frequency which is propagating. This stretch out in itself doesn't establish a super luminal capability of mass which interacts with the fields, but such a capability may exist. The red energy also interacts with the blue energy, which has a quasi static property, which means that the blue energy has rotational eddies throughout the Field, perpendicular to the Field's plane. This quasi static property enables blue Field Energy to also interact with charged particles, causing them to accelerate, an effect which can be seen by placing a bent safety pin in a microwave oven, since the bidirectional Field in the oven is equivalent to blue energy, although at a much lower frequency, and the charge which builds up on the metal causes it to sputter off at the point. With a spark and a flame (from a chunck of cigarette pushed onto the safety pin), the plasmoid extends upwards in the micro wave oven, rolling perpendicular to the field. While it is rising, the lengthwise rolling is equivalent to a curl. Without the spark, normal flame which is supplied over an area will stretch out and go upwards really fast in pulses at random areas of the Field, although the nearby red energy's charge may be a required component and the flame looks dimmer than normal. Since the red pulls the blue out of the "F" channel, it can be taken that a Higher Energy Field will also block, attenuate, or extract coherent Field Energy. (The red plasmoid also pulls the quasi static energy out of a tubular electrode, even though the blue spark alone will not leave the tube.) Field Energy can also be produced with electrical sparks, with the right circuitry. As an example, when DC from a High Voltage capacitor collides head on with AC from a High Voltage transformer, the resultant spark puffs way up, turns milky blue, and becomes completely opaque throughout the discharge time of the capacitor's pulse through its non magnetic timing inductor. So the Radar Men might not be happy to see this kind of absorber shield used as a cloak. The same spark turns pure white when shocked through a super sonic nozzel such as a foil less electrode. (The effect looks exactly the same as NASA's new Scramjet.) And the same spark will turn bright red, and opaque, when a small amount of hydrocarbon is added, such as the oil in inscence smoke, possibly because the Polar mass of the plasmoid yields a phase shift, but this may be a spectral effect. It seems likely that projecting a chemically red spark through the Field Energy of a blue spark will accelerate the red spark's plasmoid mass. If it does (in the next experiment), this will allow the specific impulse of a chemical rocket to be increased by a factor of 100, a thousand, or maybe more. A rocket which will burn at full throttle for eight hundred minutes will allow a space ship returning to the earth to maintain a powered decent, and will provide quick access to the asteroids, Mars and the outter planets and ice crystals. So everyone can spend an hour and a half each way getting to work every day. And it's always possible that the chemical plasmoid can be left out, with momentum generation or squelching being due to relativistic effects of a color gradient from one side of a particle to the other, when the colors are regarded as pulsations of the right kind of energy. This might simulate the relativistic shrink gradient associated with normal inertia, due to doppler effects against the active vacuum. Ether, in its lighter form, is a type of multidirectional Higher Energy so the opaque spark and the spark-like light may provide an ether barrier, blocking the continuity of the local ether and the rebirth of a propagating wave. (The heavier ether is a virtual particle flux recognizable as the Chemical ether; with the right detector, the concentration of a specific element is independent of the overall flux density.) And perhaps an ether paddle component can be rigged up. With that, engineering factors might be the only limit to the thrust. Using Near Field effects, vacuum dielectric interactions with the Higher Energy would be coupled to the supporting mechanically activated antenna. I've seen atmospheric suspension of a longitudinal helix spinning as if on the tertiary level. JV "Puff" Spark circuit: http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/m17019.html Plasmoid Projector: http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/m17266.html elongated, longitudinal helix: http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m4767.html tertiary coil example: http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=US1119732&CY=ep&LG=en&DB=EPD Ion adaptable Phase Controller with non longitudinal helix: http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=US2071517&CY=ep&LG=en&DB=EPD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1149586715-1110478771=:87905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Field Energy

 

When the term Field Energy is mentioned, magnetism and rf effects come readily to mind, since these kind of energies produce their surrounding fields. However, there's also a different kind of energy - referred to as Higher, or Raised, Energy - and this is the kind of energy, existing as a Field, which will likely be used for Field Propulsion. This kind of energy is produced when two different energy waves overlap, from the same direction, from opposing directions, or from some angle.

When the energy which makes up the Field is in the visible spectrum, the Field Energy is noticably different than regular light in its appearance. This is something which allows the various effects to be characterised. A picture showing some of these effects is at:

http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/artifacts.htm

Click on the image for an enlarged view and consider the assembly in the upper left part of the picture. It consists of a large spherical ornament positioned above the bottom of an aluminum can, with a couple of adjacent resmods. (Resmod is short for RESonant MODulus and this type of object is externally resonant, with a high Q.) The ornament is supported by the same type of grid tube used in the resmods, with the tube also supporting an "F" electrode made from copper foil with a dielectric glue on the inner surface. ("F" stands for Field, but it also referrs to the shape of the electrode with opposing plates.) This electrode also has a short horizontal flange on the right, or closed, side. This flange appears to be smeared out vertically, a photographic artifact which also appears in the orriginal Polaroid image.

The picture shows three different types of Field Energy, identifiable by the colors red, blue, and white, with the red and blue being mixed and appearing as purple. The Field Energy is electro-optical, which means that it can be conducted as well as focused or radiated, so electro-optical energy components don't have to be physically connected. The source of the Energy is the camera's flash tube. The flash stays on for an interval which allows light from the reflector to be compared with more light which the tube gives off an instant later, towards the direction of the assembly, rather than the reflector. The reflection, along with the time delay, allows the two light beams - one reflected and one not - to combine out of phase, producing a Field potential. This Field potential becomes visible when it interacts with the resmod detectors. When the two beams are out of phase by 180 degrees the combined Field looks blue. When the phase delay is 90 degrees the combined Field looks red. And when all phase shift angles are added together the combined Field looks white. (The random phases are why the tops of clouds look white.) With the flash tube source, the phase shifts are random, so a little of each of these colors are produced in this manner, but the Field Energy components of the photo flash's light are discontinuous. Also, the Field Energy effects with this assembly, including the opacity, are minimal when only one resmod is used, so the Field coherence, and color seperation, occurs in the assembly itself. The reverse symetry relationship of the two resmod conductors allows the Higher Energy to seperate from the normal light which can only radiate. But an "L" shaped resmod assembly can also be useful, and should recieve further consideration, since the exciting energy is available in the background. Still, the double reflection in the spherical gradient produces the white on its own. One resmod is coplanar with the "F" electrode, which allows the resmod's axial projection to change directions.

The power level of the Field Energy shown in the picture is low, but there's still a noticable interaction between the Field Energy and normal light reflected from the base board. This is why a round spot of white paint on the board looks triangular, at the left hand edge of the Field. The Field is weak enough that the background light can partially split the edge of the Field, but not very far in. This illustrates that Field Energy is opaque and suggests that this kind of energy can be used as a shield against electromagnetic radiation, including lasers and microwaves. Of equal importance is the way that the Field is projected out of the "F" channel, something which is caused by a property of the red energy which causes it to rotate around its own axis as it propagates. This causes the leading edge to stretch out beyond the distance normal light would travel in the same time. The red color is indicative of the length of the propagation's spiral, rather than the exact frequency which is propagating. This stretch out in itself doesn't establish a super luminal capability of mass which interacts with the fields, but such a capability may exist. The red energy also interacts with the blue energy, which has a quasi static property, which means that the blue energy has rotational eddies throughout the Field, perpendicular to the Field's plane. This quasi static property enables blue Field Energy to also interact with charged particles, causing them to accelerate, an effect which can be seen by placing a bent safety pin in a microwave oven, since the bidirectional Field in the oven is equivalent to blue energy, although at a much lower frequency, and the charge which builds up on the metal causes it to sputter off at the point. With a spark and a flame (from a chunck of cigarette pushed onto the safety pin), the plasmoid extends upwards in the micro wave oven, rolling perpendicular to the field. While it is rising, the lengthwise rolling is equivalent to a curl. Without the spark, normal flame which is supplied over an area will stretch out and go upwards really fast in pulses at random areas of the Field, although the nearby red energy's charge may be a required component and the flame looks dimmer than normal. Since the red pulls the blue out of the "F" channel, it can be taken that a Higher Energy Field will also block, attenuate, or extract coherent Field Energy. (The red plasmoid also pulls the quasi static energy out of a tubular electrode, even though the blue spark alone will not leave the tube.)

Field Energy can also be produced with electrical sparks, with the right circuitry. As an example, when DC from a High Voltage capacitor collides head on with AC from a High Voltage transformer, the resultant spark puffs way up, turns milky blue, and becomes completely opaque throughout the discharge time of the capacitor's pulse through its non magnetic timing inductor. So the Radar Men might not be happy to see this kind of absorber shield used as a cloak. The same spark turns pure white when shocked through a super sonic nozzel such as a foil less electrode. (The effect looks exactly the same as NASA's new Scramjet.) And the same spark will turn bright red, and opaque, when a small amount of hydrocarbon is added, such as the oil in inscence smoke, possibly because the Polar mass of the plasmoid yields a phase shift, but this may be a spectral effect. It seems likely that projecting a chemically red spark through the Field Energy of a blue spark will accelerate the red spark's plasmoid mass. If it does (in the next experiment), this will allow the specific impulse of a chemical rocket to be increased by a factor of 100, a thousand, or maybe more. A rocket which will burn at full throttle for eight hundred minutes will allow a space ship returning to the earth to maintain a powered decent, and will provide quick access to the asteroids, Mars and the outter planets and ice crystals. So everyone can spend an hour and a half each way getting to work every day. And it's always possible that the chemical plasmoid can be left out, with momentum generation or squelching being due to relativistic effects of a color gradient from one side of a particle to the other, when the colors are regarded as pulsations of the right kind of energy. This might simulate the relativistic shrink gradient associated with normal inertia, due to doppler effects against the active vacuum. Ether, in its lighter form, is a type of multidirectional Higher Energy so the opaque spark and the spark-like light may provide an ether barrier, blocking the continuity of the local ether and the rebirth of a propagating wave. (The heavier ether is a virtual particle flux recognizable as the Chemical ether; with the right detector, the concentration of a specific element is independent of the overall flux density.) And perhaps an ether paddle component can be rigged up. With that, engineering factors might be the only limit to the thrust. Using Near Field effects, vacuum dielectric interactions with the Higher Energy would be coupled to the supporting mechanically activated antenna. I've seen atmospheric suspension of a longitudinal helix spinning as if on the tertiary level.

JV

"Puff" Spark circuit:

http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/m17019.html

Plasmoid Projector:

http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/m17266.html

elongated, longitudinal helix:

http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m4767.html

tertiary coil example:

http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=US1119732&CY=ep&LG=en&DB=EPD

Ion adaptable Phase Controller with non longitudinal helix:

http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=US2071517&CY=ep&LG=en&DB=EPD

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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 16 22:36:04 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H6Za8E026834; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:35:36 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2H6ZUlM026698; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:35:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:35:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.20050316233241.1c2fa57a@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:32:41 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: David Dameron In-Reply-To: <20050312173705.38510.qmail@web51708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9lnVkD.A.kgG.vUSOCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: magnetic loop current calculations Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 There has been discussion of what effects there would be in a transformer if it became large compared to a wavelength. Normally one does not think of propagation delays in a transformer, but things like the change of magnetic flux, etc. However usually transformers are very small compared to a wavelength. If one was built "large", would it turn into an antenna, or is the "transformer" induction somehow different than "near field" antenna theory? Well I attempted to try it out, strung a horiz. rectangular loop in my rear yard and fed it with a 6MHz signal from a small transmitter. In the center was a small pickup coil or secondary that could be moved in position. I attempted to measure a phase shift (in addition to that from the coax cables). The large loop was about 30 feet on a side, about 9 meters, so the 4.5 meters to the center is about 33 deg. phase shift. (wavelength = 50 m). It turns out difficult to measure the phase shift with my scope (AC line wires and possibly the ground are affecting measurements, but it appears small. I also want to simulate it, does anyone know some simulations to calculate the current along the loop, that is deviations from constant current? I found this link: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/D.Jefferies/loop.html Alternatively, is there an easy way to measure the current along the large loop wire, say some sort of loop field-strength meter? Once I have a current distribution, I can easily calculate the B-Field and flux linking the receive loop, and compare to the signal I get. Thanks, Dave D. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 17 08:35:04 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HGYfLn025394; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:34:42 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2HGYdqU025376; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:34:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:34:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ZK+JP0NtEdZ0Whlkti7VOGLC6jipvTiYNalMhFhGQ3COnSDP436QVsF45yVAmXAETAf7U1pQcjzzSLT04HWRiLjyRe900g/AwbuCHVD8pjn611qYWMR9A6ubbBWOofC/9VA/scA9QYyqjyN99sB6LlnDk/ZkgTAw9CspbtpRKmE= ; Message-ID: <20050317163432.34104.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:34:32 -0800 (PST) From: Harvey Norris Subject: Re: [FG]: magnetic loop current calculations To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 --- David Dameron wrote: > There has been discussion of what effects there > would be in a transformer > if it became large compared to a wavelength. I have thought of this for years, but mental models,and mathemathematical models do not pan out as positive proof to other folks as to what is involved here, but quite a lot of evidence exists to support the thesis. What is this thesis? I call it the beginning of magic square technology, but as I indicate it won't be accepted until an actual model is built, because so much evidence only currently exists as scopings of resonant frequencies, and the relationship of the scope as a measuring instrument comes into question, as the internal capacity of that measuring instrument in turn influences the frequency that gets recorded. By now folks are probably shaking their heads and wondering what the heck I am driving at. So I will attempt to explain. In your example you use a very long length of wire, and a high frequency source, where according to the principles of radio, if the input frequency matches the natural resonant frequency of the loop, a standing wave is set up by predictions that the velocity of the electrical impulse, ie C, the speed of light, by computing the time period it takes to reach the end of the wire and equating that to 1/4 of the time period that an actual AC resonant frequency would have; we arrive at the well known quarter wave calculation. This calculation is often used in finding a tesla coil's primary C value, where we have the combination of LpCp which by resonant freq formula R(f)= 1/[2pi* sq rt{LC}]. In this scenario Lp can be known, and Cp is predicted by formula. The aim of this prediction is to make the primaries resonant frequency the same as the secondaries resonant frequency, which is given by the quarter wave calculation. But in the making of solenoidal secondary coils of larger height /diameter, (about 5) ratios, we find that the actual secondary vibration is about 50% faster, or higher in frequency then what the quarter wave calculation yeilds. It is as if C the light speed has increased in value. This is well known in the tesla coil building community, but what is not well known is that the reverse effect is what you need to employ to make more convenient experimentation on the ideas that are presented. What a multiwound coil does is add internal capacity between winds, and the addition of capacity, whether as internal capacity or another externally paired C value as used in a tesla primary circuit; the addition of capacity always reduces the vibration. I dont think the list supports attachments or I could show a scoping of ~700,000 hz obtained as the "natural electrical vibration" establihed by 100 ft of 1/8 inch flattened braided wire sold as MegaCable Speaker Wire, sold formed as dual sets of spiral winds, where the 1/8 inch width of the conductor establishes a significant internal capacity between winds when wound in this spiral fashion. The quarter wave value for 100 ft should be about 2.5 mghz, so here the internal capacity has reduced the quarter wave vibration over three fold. Another square coil of some 600 winds can be scope shown to reduce the standing wave vibration 13 fold. The improved performance of that zig zag spiral design is due to allowing equal influence for both the voltage difference between adjacent winds, AND the much higher voltage differences existing between layers, by the use of square conductors. In fact we come to understand that this coil construction method is only exploiting the creation of internal capacity on a one dimensional basis, and in fact if we instead wound this square array on a diagonal basis, then we could have higher relative voltage differences on both horizontal AND vertical voltage differences. In fact this kind of diagonal layering plan is exhibited by every group 1 magic square, having an odd no of sides. So from there we can actually state what the magic squares are good for. They contain the coding of wiring routes to establish a 4 sided conductor coil of the maximum possible internal capacity, which if this is applied to even squares divisible by 4, a fascinating possibility emerges. >From here then the conceptial problem becomes to make a device in reality where the generator actually sees a load where it could change AC polarity before the propagation speed of the impulse allows for its return, somewhat analogous to trapping electron movement within an oscillation, normally considered rediculous when that impulse is at light speed, but here special methods are made to reduce that speed by addition of internal capacity. As such here are some calculations formerly posted on a different list to show what would be required to take your same idea, but power it from an alternator inputing 500 hz. The repost may be repetive on this above theme... --- Tesla list wrote: > > Original poster: "Paul B. Brodie" > > > > > I know we all love big sparks but has anyone done > any serious research and > > tried to duplicate Tesla's claims of wireless > transmission of electric > > power? I would start with the study of lower frequency resonators since apparently the great problem is that resonant circuits in the 8 to 12 hz range are not easily buildable, so first we can study existing models and speculate from there what the requirements would be if the same circuit were to be lowered in frequency. I have a particular low frequency resonator that might be used as a model; where it exhibits a 30,000 hz resonance from 25-30pf scopings; but the coil is only a square succession of 20 zig zag spiral layers of 30 winds, for a total of 600 winds. The layering method is responsible for a certain amount of internal capacity in the multiwound coil where it is the voltage between layers that becomes predominant in the internal CV^2 term, and not the voltage between actual winds that makes little contribution. One mathematical model based on comparing a diagonal layering method for a 25 unit array compared to the conventional zig zag layering showed that the diagonally wound model would have almost 6 times more internal capacity, where if this were true the existing inductor using diagonal windings resonating at 30,000 hz would now resonate at 5,000 hz. Now this particular inductor already resonates 13 times slower then what quarter wave value estimations give, where each wind is only 20 inches in circumference. Supposing then the wire route change were able to accomplish a 5000 hz resonance, how far would I have to expand the circumference to match 500 hz from an alternator? Ten times the initial 20 inch per wind equals 200/12 = 16.6 ft per wind, or a diameter of only 5.3 ft. To model a further reduction down to 10 hz, this would be a 50 fold reduction yeiding 830 ft per wind, for a huge diameter coil of some 264 ft. Just some idle speculation of what a earth frequency resonant coil might look like... HDN Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 17 15:23:08 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HNMktE031092; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:22:47 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2HNMhlD031064; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:22:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:22:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <2622.70.23.18.186.1111101748.squirrel@webmail.chilitech.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:22:28 -0500 (EST) From: enki@chilitech.net To: h2opower@topica.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25351 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: RE: The Hydrogen News Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 Dear Readers, I have decided to quit putting out the Hydrogen News as it has been. Instead I am switching to a strictly Blog oriented format with an RSS and Atom newsfeed. If anyone is interested in the latest hydrogen energy news I would ask you to monitor my blog. Blog Address: http://www.h2opower.blogspot.com Atom feed: http://www.h2opower.blogspot.com/atom.xml RSS Feed: http://www.tblog.com/rss.php?bid=enki Thank you all for your loyal readership and your many kind comments. Sincerely, Mike Johnston From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 17 16:06:54 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I06XtE021036; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:34 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2I06Ts9020993; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <2622.70.23.18.186.1111101748.squirrel@webmail.chilitech.net> References: <2622.70.23.18.186.1111101748.squirrel@webmail.chilitech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sayyad Glassford Subject: Re: [FG]: RE: The Hydrogen News Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:06:10 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25352 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 Hello Mike, message received, I'll bookmark the RSS link in Firefox for quick access. Thanks, Sayyad On 17-Mar-05, at 6:22 PM, enki@chilitech.net wrote: > Dear Readers, > > I have decided to quit putting out the Hydrogen News as it has been. > Instead I am switching to a strictly Blog oriented format with an RSS > and Atom newsfeed. If anyone is interested in the latest hydrogen > energy news I would ask you to monitor my blog. > > Blog Address: http://www.h2opower.blogspot.com > > Atom feed: http://www.h2opower.blogspot.com/atom.xml > > RSS Feed: http://www.tblog.com/rss.php?bid=enki > > Thank you all for your loyal readership and your many kind comments. > > Sincerely, > > Mike Johnston > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 17 16:57:59 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I0vZcG011601; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:57:36 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2I0v4qr011275; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:57:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:57:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: bcherry@nixsys.bz To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:54:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050318005441.9A56B27B5A4@mail.nixsys.bz> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25353 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: alt energy =?utf-8?B?PQ==?= social transformation? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 Dear Alternative Energy Researchers, I am a student from Antioch college in Ohio and have worked with an independent physicist in Yellow Springs by the name of John Schnurer, who recommended that I contact you. Both John and I have collaborated on projects in thermoelectrics. I corresponded with Bill Beatty sometime ago about the subject of alternative energy technologies and why they are not implemented within society on a large scale. This is now the thesis question for my dissertation. More recently I have spoken with Eric Krieg and the technological means of using solar energy as a primary power source. I am interested in interviewing scientists, engineers and other researchers about the subject of alternative energy technologies and resources; the type of research they're engaged in, the scientific and economic feasibility and application of alt energy technologies etc. I am interested in both'hard' and 'soft' science in regards to alternative energy, especially the application of renewables such as solar energy and hydrogen. This includes people involved with 'free energy' technologies who are credible sources. I understand that this is quite a huge task. Any interested parties feel free to contact me by email or forward this email and/or post it on relevant listservs with my email. I appreciate your time. Cheers, Brett Cherry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 25 08:35:02 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2PGY9eW031519; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:34:10 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2PGY6R7031484; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:34:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:34:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: missy9871@spamarrest.com Message-Id: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:33:45 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: "JNPCo." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1100354063==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25354 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 --============_-1100354063==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" * * * * * Energy Machine Inventor Joseph W. Newman will hold a News Conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. 529 14th Street, NW on Monday, March 28, 1:00PM Lisagor Room * * * * * Joseph Newman will display/demonstrate his newest energy machine that is a quantum leap above his earlier energy machine technology. As the price of oil escalates, Joseph Newman's energy machine is an inexpensive, non-polluting electromagnetic source for the world's energy needs. This technology provides access to virtually unlimited energy that is abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly. The Newman energy machine is an electromagnetic motor that runs COOL (unlike ALL conventional motors) and harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in accordance with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. The Newman energy machine will provide a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear energy sources. This technology will power every automobile, home, appliance, farm, factory, ship, and plane at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy. A worldwide inexpensive energy source will have profound geopolitical implications for the Middle East. * * * * * See for yourself a new technology that will meet the future energy needs of humanity. * * * * * http://www.josephnewman.com Email: josephnewman@earthlink.net Contact: (205) 835-9022 [Joseph Nolfe, President & CEO, Newman Energy Corp.] The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the large-scale, commercial development of this invention." --- Dr. Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist, UNISYS CORPORATION "If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts." --- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch, George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA "You have opened an area in Astrophysics which may revolutionize the magnetic energy problems which is now the most paramount problem in future energy and space travel. I do believe with proper research funds, the results would not only be a great financial boom to your financiers, but would lead to developments that will be practical and beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science." --- Dr. E. L. Moragne, MORAGNE RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CO. [Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first atomic bomb.] * * * * * --============_-1100354063==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" ****NEWS CONFERENCE AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB IN WASHINGT
*   *   *   *   *
Energy Machine Inventor
Joseph W. Newman
will hold a
News Conference
at the
National Press Club in Washington, D.C.
529 14th Street, NW
on
Monday, March 28, 1:00PM
Lisagor Room

*   *   *   *   *

Joseph Newman will display/demonstrate his newest energy machine
that is a quantum leap above his earlier energy machine technology.

As the price of oil escalates, Joseph Newman's energy machine
is an inexpensive, non-polluting electromagnetic source for the world's energy needs.

This technology provides access to virtually unlimited energy that is
abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly.

The Newman energy machine is an electromagnetic motor that runs
COOL (unlike ALL conventional motors) and harnesses the
elemental forces of the universe in accordance
with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics.

The Newman energy machine will provide a stable and durable
alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear energy sources.

This technology will power every automobile, home, appliance,
farm, factory, ship, and plane at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy.

A worldwide inexpensive energy source will have profound
geopolitical implications for the Middle East.

*   *   *   *   *

See for yourself a new technology that will meet the
future energy needs of humanity.

*   *   *   *   *

http://www.josephnewman.com
Email: josephnewman@earthlink.net
Contact:
(205) 835-9022 [Joseph Nolfe, President & CEO, Newman Energy Corp.]


The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the large-scale,
commercial development of this invention."

--- Dr. Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist, UNISYS CORPORATION

 

"If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the results
were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in my opinion,
several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities
to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts."
--- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch,
George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA

 

"You have opened an area in Astrophysics which may revolutionize the magnetic energy problems
which is now the most paramount problem in future energy and space travel.
I do believe with proper research funds, the results would not only be a great financial boom to your financiers,
but would lead to developments that will be practical and beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science."

--- Dr. E. L. Moragne, MORAGNE RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CO.
[Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first atomic bomb.]

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--============_-1100354063==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 28 02:26:31 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2SAPeMm027186; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:25:41 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2SAPQtU027125; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:25:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:25:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.103.139.111] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:15:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C53398.320633C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4939.300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2005 10:25:14.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E534AB0:01C53380] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25355 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C53398.320633C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ****NEWS CONFERENCE AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB IN WASHINGT I hate spam We have a saying in my country. He sells sea wrack and calls them to be silk ribbons.=20 Or something like that. Does anybody know if there is a patent for this invention?=20 Have you ever seen his invention work or read any technical = specifications? I think it is possible some of you have read his book. Is that so? Was it informative? I don't think so. I am sure he was just talking about a better world and = what benefits we would have if we bought his incredible machine. Am I = correct? About Dr. E. L. Moragne. How old is he??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNPCo.=20 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: [FG]:=20 * * * * * Energy Machine Inventor Joseph W. Newman will hold a News Conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. 529 14th Street, NW on Monday, March 28, 1:00PM Lisagor Room * * * * * Joseph Newman will display/demonstrate his newest energy machine that is a quantum leap above his earlier energy machine technology. As the price of oil escalates, Joseph Newman's energy machine is an inexpensive, non-polluting electromagnetic source for the = world's energy needs. This technology provides access to virtually unlimited energy that is abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly. The Newman energy machine is an electromagnetic motor that runs COOL (unlike ALL conventional motors) and harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in accordance with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. The Newman energy machine will provide a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear energy sources. This technology will power every automobile, home, appliance, farm, factory, ship, and plane at a FRACTION of the present cost of = energy. A worldwide inexpensive energy source will have profound geopolitical implications for the Middle East. * * * * * See for yourself a new technology that will meet the future energy needs of humanity. * * * * * http://www.josephnewman.com Email: josephnewman@earthlink.net Contact: (205) 835-9022 [Joseph Nolfe, President & CEO, Newman Energy Corp.] The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the = large-scale, commercial development of this invention." --- Dr. Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist, UNISYS CORPORATION =20 "If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and = the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in my = opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and = capabilities to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent = capability of his new concepts." --- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch, George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA =20 "You have opened an area in Astrophysics which may revolutionize the = magnetic energy problems which is now the most paramount problem in future energy and space = travel. I do believe with proper research funds, the results would not only be = a great financial boom to your financiers, but would lead to developments that will be practical and beneficial = to all mankind and develop a new step in science." --- Dr. E. L. Moragne, MORAGNE RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CO. [Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the = first atomic bomb.] * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C53398.320633C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ****NEWS CONFERENCE AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB IN = WASHINGT
 I hate spam

 We have a saying in my=20 country.

He sells=20 sea wrack and calls them to be silk ribbons.

Or=20 something like that.

 Does anybody know if there is a = patent for this=20 invention?

Have you=20 ever seen his invention work or read any technical = specifications?

I think it=20 is possible some of you have read his book. Is that = so?

Was it=20 informative?

I don’t=20 think so. I am sure he was just talking about a better world and what = benefits=20 we would have if we bought his incredible machine. Am I=20 correct?

About Dr. E. L.=20 Moragne.

How=20 old is he???

 

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JNPCo.
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 = 7:33=20 PM
Subject: [FG]:

*   *   = *  =20 *   *
Energy Machine=20 Inventor
Joseph W.=20 Newman
will hold a
News=20 Conference
at the
National Press=20 Club in Washington, D.C.
529 14th Street,=20 NW
on
Monday, March 28,=20 1:00PM
Lisagor = Room

*   *   = *  =20 *   *

Joseph Newman will = display/demonstrate his=20 newest energy machine
that is a quantum leap above = his earlier=20 energy machine technology.

As the price of oil escalates, = Joseph=20 Newman's energy machine
is an inexpensive, = non-polluting=20 electromagnetic source for the world's energy needs.

This technology provides access = to=20 virtually unlimited energy that is
abundant, inexpensive, and=20 environmentally-friendly.

The Newman energy machine is an = electromagnetic motor that runs
COOL (unlike ALL = conventional=20 motors) and harnesses the
elemental forces of the = universe in=20 accordance
with the 1st Law of=20 Thermodynamics.

The Newman energy machine will = provide a=20 stable and durable
alternative to oil, gas, coal, = and nuclear=20 energy sources.

This technology will power = every=20 automobile, home, appliance,
farm, factory, ship, and plane = at a=20 FRACTION of the present cost of energy.

A worldwide inexpensive energy = source will=20 have profound
geopolitical implications for = the Middle=20 East.

*   *   = *  =20 *   *

See for yourself a new = technology that=20 will meet the
future energy needs of=20 humanity.

*   *   = *  =20 *   *

http://www.josephnewman.com
Email:=20 josephnewman@earthlink.net
Contact:
(205) 835-9022 [Joseph = Nolfe, President=20 & CEO, Newman Energy Corp.]


The future of the human race = may be=20 dramatically uplifted by the large-scale,
commercial development of = this=20 invention."

--- Dr. Roger Hastings, = Principal=20 Physicist, UNISYS CORPORATION

 

"If the = manner in=20 which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the = results
were made known to the = industrial or=20 engineering community then, in my opinion,
several companies and/or = individuals=20 possess the expertise and capabilities
to construct the hardware = required to=20 fully exploit the apparent capability of his new=20 concepts."
--- Dr. Robert E. Smith, = Chief, Orbital=20 and Space Environment Branch,
George C. Marshall Space = Flight Center,=20 NASA

 

"You have opened an area in = Astrophysics=20 which may revolutionize the magnetic energy problems
which is now the most = paramount problem=20 in future energy and space travel.
I do believe with proper = research funds,=20 the results would not only be a great financial boom to your=20 financiers,
but would lead to = developments that will=20 be practical and beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in=20 science."

--- Dr. E. L. Moragne, = MORAGNE RESEARCH=20 & DEVELOPMENT CO.
[Dr. Moragne was an = electromagnetic=20 pioneer in the development of the first atomic bomb.]

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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C53398.320633C0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 29 02:01:18 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2TA0Ptx027553; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:00:25 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2TA0MrS027525; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:00:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:00:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.103.139.3] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:50:20 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4939.300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2005 10:00:12.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[1951E640:01C53446] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25356 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 28 Hi all, I would like to start a discussion about the ethics involved in releasing a free energy machine for public use. Would this cause chaos? Would this make the world a better place to live? Would you be in danger in anyway? (great conspiracy etc) Also would you go for a patent or give it away for everyone to use? After all it's your discovery. I think that I wouldn't be in any kind of danger. In such a case I would become too famous and the invention would be known to everyone. A patent would make that possible and would protect me against unauthorized use of it. Some would say that 'great conspiracy' would steal my patent from me but I don't think so. It might be true for the US patent office but there are a lot more out there. What about EU patent offices? Japanese? Chinese? And a lot more. Beside that there is also the power of media. If you were on TV, who wouldn' t know about you. I am not talking about uneducated people whom I respect but the scientific community. What about lawyers? They also would have something to add on your behalf. What about causing chaos??? I think that would be a problem. Oil would become useless which will cause its prize to fall. World economy is based on oil. What would be the consequences of it? I think world economy would become unstable causing another great crack like 1920's. That would be a bigger a problem for the most developed countries. Do you think the world economy is mature enough to resist such a hit? Of course the world would be a better place after balance is restored. Nuclear energy would become of use. Cars would not use oil. There would be enough energy for recycling our rubbish. Space travel would get a boost and it would possible for us to send our chemical waste to the sun. What is your opinion? Any more ideas? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 29 06:33:03 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2TEVwtx016425; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:32:00 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2TEVnEO016336; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:31:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:31:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.64.156.106] From: To: , Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 9:31:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050329143138.YGWL1995.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25357 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 It all depends on what you want to do. If it works and you want to help humanity and not be the next Bill Gates then your best option is to release it to the world and patent it at the same time. If you release it and don't patent it you open up the possibility for someone else to patent it and totally screw you. As far as the media goes, check on who owns 'it' before you convince yourself that they will spread your word. General Electric owns NBC and other outlets - they have a LOT to lose by the invention. They make tons off of nuclear power plants, electric generators, etc. I don't know all the companies the media comglomerates own, but thier bottom line is more important than you or me. Unless the invention is so simple, so basic that it can completely replace coal and oil in under a years time then there should be no concern to economies of the world. There will be losers of course - all those heavily invested in today's technologies- but that has been the case after every innovation. Where are all the candle-makers today? If your invention ruins the life of one investor for every real person it helps, I'd have no qualms about it. Today's business ethics is that it's ok to screw the common people if your investors can gain another penny. There are no morals in free trade capitalism. Good luck > > From: "G N" > Date: 2005/03/29 Tue AM 04:50:20 EST > To: > Subject: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics > > Hi all, > > I would like to start a discussion about the ethics involved in releasing a > free energy machine for public use. > > Would this cause chaos? > Would this make the world a better place to live? > Would you be in danger in anyway? (great conspiracy etc) > > Also would you go for a patent or give it away for everyone to use? After > all it's your discovery. > > I think that I wouldn't be in any kind of danger. > In such a case I would become too famous and the invention would be known to > everyone. > A patent would make that possible and would protect me against unauthorized > use of it. Some would say that 'great conspiracy' would steal my patent from > me but I don't think so. It might be true for the US patent office but there > are a lot more out there. > What about EU patent offices? Japanese? Chinese? And a lot more. > > Beside that there is also the power of media. If you were on TV, who wouldn' > t know about you. I am not talking about uneducated people whom I respect > but the scientific community. What about lawyers? They also would have > something to add on your behalf. > > What about causing chaos??? > I think that would be a problem. Oil would become useless which will cause > its prize to fall. World economy is based on oil. What would be the > consequences of it? I think world economy would become unstable causing > another great crack like 1920's. That would be a bigger a problem for the > most developed countries. > Do you think the world economy is mature enough to resist such a hit? > > Of course the world would be a better place after balance is restored. > Nuclear energy would become of use. Cars would not use oil. There would be > enough energy for recycling our rubbish. Space travel would get a boost and > it would possible for us to send our chemical waste to the sun. > > What is your opinion? > Any more ideas? > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 29 07:18:33 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2TFHdtx011998; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:17:40 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2TFHapG011973; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:17:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:17:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:17:28 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics In-Reply-To: <20050329143138.YGWL1995.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25358 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 cbh014@bellsouth.net wrote: > It all depends on what you want to do. If it works and you want to help > humanity and not be the next Bill Gates then your best option is to > release it to the world and patent it at the same time. > > If you release it and don't patent it you open up the possibility for > someone else to patent it and totally screw you. > Moray B. King addressed this in his book "Tapping the Zero-Point Energy". He referred to it as "the Prometheus Game". I posted an excerpt from it here many years ago. I recently had a hard drive crash and that piece of text was one of the things I lost. I can dig out the book and re-quote it if anyone is interested in what he had to say. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 29 13:28:07 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2TLQstx025281; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:26:59 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2TLQng9025234; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:26:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:26:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:26:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2005 21:26:38.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDB0AE70:01C534A5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25359 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: free energy discussion Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 History has proven the greed of mankind, and to what lengths mankind will go to get what it wants. Take a good look at Nikola Tesla's life. Even with hundreds of patents, he died almost pennyless, while big business of that time made millions on his patents. If you are so foolish as to believe that big business will not do whatever it takes to ensure it remains in business, then you will make yourself an easy target. I cannot fathom several hundred billion dollars a year of sales simply vanishing without any attempt to stop that from happening. Perhaps you should read some U.S. Patent Law to understand how far the U.S. Government alone will go to stop the disruption of it's economy. It has given itself the legal means to stop the developement of such a machine "In the interest of National Security." Do you honestly think that any other country will allow the same to happen when it means the end of their economic system as they know it? Whomever comes forward with a "free energy" machine will be both a hero and quite possibly the most hated person of all time, even to the huddled masses. Why? Because his machine will cause such disruption of the World's Economy that millions may starve and die. This person will quite possibly have been directly responsible for the deaths of many more than were lost at the hands of Adolph Hitler. A free energy machine may sacrifice the lives of millions for the good of billions yet it has to be done to ensure the survival of mankind and the planet it thrives upon. This is inevitable and the goverments of these people can only hope to get behind this movement to see that the change happens as fast as it possibly can so as to lessen the loss of life as much as possible. Fighting it can and will cause unnecessary loss of life. Again, history will prove that greed will stand in the way of any Government doing what it could do to lessen the loss of life. When Columbus returned to Spain, how many "savages" lost their life to deliver gold to the Throne? How many more to the Spanish Conquistadors? If I possessed the knowledge to create such a machine and knowing full well the outcome of introducing it to the world, I would still move forward in doing so, as for not doing so would surely mean the end of mankind as we slowly poison our planet and ourselves. You have to take the lid off of the can before you can smell the coffee. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 30 00:32:55 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2U8W387010190; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:32:03 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2U8VsZb010129; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:31:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:31:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.103.139.126] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:21:51 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4939.300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2005 08:31:45.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[E86EA820:01C53502] Resent-Message-ID: <1sV4QB.A.FeC.4PmSCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25360 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 32 Zack Widup Wrote >Moray B. King addressed this in his book "Tapping the Zero-Point Energy". >He referred to it as "the Prometheus Game". I like very much the simile with Prometheus. It happens to come from Greece :-) I have never thought it in such a way. Do you refer to that post? http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/prometh.txt But would you be in danger just for revenge or in order to frighten future rebels? cbh014@bellsouth.net wrote >General Electric owns NBC and other outlets I agree to what you are talking about, but there are a lot more media companies which are independent. At least they won't realize from the beginning the major disturbance they will cause to their 'friends'. >There will be losers of course - all those heavily invested in today's technologies- but that has been the case after every innovation. >Where are all the candle-makers today? That is called progress and I vote for it. Of course, I don't care about those investors. I care about common people lives. As M J Mitch Mitchell wrote >Whomever comes forward with a "free energy" machine will be both a hero and quite possibly the most hated person of all time, even to the huddled masses. Why? Because his machine will cause such disruption of the World's Economy that millions may starve and die. This person will quite possibly have been directly responsible for the deaths of many more than were lost at the hands of Adolph Hitler. The question that rises upon all these statements is not if this is morale to release such knowledge to the public. I think we all agree that in the future this will be beneficial to human kind and if we had such knowledge we would be immoral if we kept it secret. I am wondering if there is a safe way for the scientist and the public to absorb and apply that knowledge in every day life. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 30 01:44:12 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2U9hI87015149; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:43:22 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2U9hFkS015130; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:43:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:43:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:43:15 -0800 From: "James Bledsoe" To: Message-id: <003101c5350c$e61fca90$6501a8c0@rottenbone> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25361 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 33 NONSENSE If , and IF is the operative word here, Free Energy became available tomorrow we would start doing more stuff. And doing more stuff means that the we will have " economic growth" which is what every body in the corporate world wants. Tesela was a nut, a poor business man, and a cantankerous old fart. Patent means public. When we patent something we tell all about how to do it. That is why there is no patent for the formula to Coca-Cola. When a machine letting the juice of the universe flow to our bidding, happens in one of our garages then all that the occupant of that garage will need do is sit back and wait for the checks. Or publish the plans on this forum if they wish to share, after all this the Free Energy list server. There might be a hiccup or two but the disruption to our economy would be minor if energy prices fell. I know I would not save the money I spend on fuel. Come to think of it. I would buy a car and cut back on riding my bicycle. I would go more places. The people of Africa who live in abject poverty while their rulers horde kogerands collected from pilfered oil resources might indeed see a rising of their living standards. Eliminating the scarcity of energy?? Holly smokes IF that happened-- wow! good diggin Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [FG]: free energy discussion > > History has proven the greed of mankind, and to what lengths mankind will > go to get what it wants. > Take a good look at Nikola Tesla's life. Even with hundreds of patents, > he died almost pennyless, while big business of that time made millions on > his patents. > > If you are so foolish as to believe that big business will not do whatever > it takes to ensure it remains in business, then you will make yourself an > easy target. I cannot fathom several hundred billion dollars a year of > sales simply vanishing without any attempt to stop that from happening. > > Perhaps you should read some U.S. Patent Law to understand how far the > U.S. Government alone will go to stop the disruption of it's economy. It > has given itself the legal means to stop the developement of such a > machine "In the interest of National Security." Do you honestly think > that any other country will allow the same to happen when it means the end > of their economic system as they know it? > > Whomever comes forward with a "free energy" machine will be both a hero > and quite possibly the most hated person of all time, even to the huddled > masses. Why? Because his machine will cause such disruption of the > World's Economy that millions may starve and die. This person will quite > possibly have been directly responsible for the deaths of many more than > were lost at the hands of Adolph Hitler. > > A free energy machine may sacrifice the lives of millions for the good of > billions yet it has to be done to ensure the survival of mankind and the > planet it thrives upon. This is inevitable and the goverments of these > people can only hope to get behind this movement to see that the change > happens as fast as it possibly can so as to lessen the loss of life as > much as possible. Fighting it can and will cause unnecessary loss of > life. Again, history will prove that greed will stand in the way of any > Government doing what it could do to lessen the loss of life. > > When Columbus returned to Spain, how many "savages" lost their life to > deliver gold to the Throne? > How many more to the Spanish Conquistadors? > > If I possessed the knowledge to create such a machine and knowing full > well the outcome of introducing it to the world, I would still move > forward in doing so, as for not doing so would surely mean the end of > mankind as we slowly poison our planet and ourselves. > > You have to take the lid off of the can before you can smell the coffee. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 30 06:05:43 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UE4X87010250; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:04:34 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2UE48u1010060; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:04:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:04:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.64.156.106] From: To: , Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 9:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050330140402.LDEC2549.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25362 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 34 Adding some philosophical input, it has been said (in similar words, many times) that we don't get technology before we are ready for it. If you have something, best of luck to you. If you are not that concerned with immediate wealth, submit patents in several countires (with at least one country hostile to the US) and then let it loose on this list and others. If your results are reproducable you'll be famous and with such widespread distribution you need not worry about your safety, since you are not the only holder of the info. If there are bits to the technology that only work under conditions that can't be defined or determined, your name and idea will be relegated to free energy pop culture and people will talk about you for decades to come. > > From: "G N" > Date: 2005/03/30 Wed AM 03:21:51 EST > To: > Subject: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion > > Zack Widup Wrote > >Moray B. King addressed this in his book "Tapping the Zero-Point Energy". > >He referred to it as "the Prometheus Game". > > I like very much the simile with Prometheus. It happens to come from Greece > :-) > I have never thought it in such a way. > Do you refer to that post? > http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/prometh.txt > > But would you be in danger just for revenge or in order to frighten future > rebels? > > cbh014@bellsouth.net wrote > >General Electric owns NBC and other outlets > > I agree to what you are talking about, but there are a lot more media > companies which are independent. At least they won't realize from the > beginning the major disturbance they will cause to their 'friends'. > > >There will be losers of course - all those heavily invested in today's > technologies- but that has been the case after every innovation. > >Where are all the candle-makers today? > > That is called progress and I vote for it. > Of course, I don't care about those investors. I care about common people > lives. > > As M J Mitch Mitchell wrote > > >Whomever comes forward with a "free energy" machine will be both a hero and > quite possibly the most hated person of all time, even to the huddled > masses. Why? Because his machine will cause such disruption of the World's > Economy that millions may starve and die. This person will quite possibly > have been directly responsible for the deaths of many more than were lost at > the hands of Adolph Hitler. > > The question that rises upon all these statements is not if this is morale > to release such knowledge to the public. I think we all agree that in the > future this will be beneficial to human kind and if we had such knowledge we > would be immoral if we kept it secret. > > I am wondering if there is a safe way for the scientist and the public to > absorb and apply that knowledge in every day life. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 30 11:12:13 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UJB1s9027444; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:11:06 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2UJAthY027380; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:10:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:10:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:10:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2005 19:10:35.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[26B581E0:01C5355C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25363 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: NONSENSE? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 35 NONSENSE? You have to take the lid off of the can before you can smell the coffee. Nuff said. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 30 13:06:21 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UL5VXN004762; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:05:32 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2UL5SK4004730; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:05:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:05:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:05:23 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25364 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 36 On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, G N wrote: > Zack Widup Wrote > >Moray B. King addressed this in his book "Tapping the Zero-Point Energy". > >He referred to it as "the Prometheus Game". > > I like very much the simile with Prometheus. It happens to come from Greece > :-) > I have never thought it in such a way. > Do you refer to that post? > http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/prometh.txt > Yes! I didn't know it was archived on the net. Thanks! Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 31 04:43:28 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VCgKB0013063; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:42:20 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2VCgBAl012991; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:42:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:42:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.103.139.26] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: References: <20050330140402.LDEC2549.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:31:38 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4939.300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2005 12:41:52.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[036D0760:01C535EF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25365 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 37 cbh014@bellsouth.net wrote >If you are not that concerned with immediate wealth, submit patents in several countires (with at least one country hostile to the US) and then let it loose on this list and others. Wealth is always desirable by everyone. Immediate, adds a little more of glance to it :-) I liked very much the hostile part. Nice thought. >If there are bits to the technology that only work under conditions that can't be defined or determined, your name and idea will be relegated to free energy pop culture and people will talk about you for decades to come. If (when, sounds better) I invent something I promise it will be simple and definable. I hate when things work or not on their own mind. Beside that I think everything in nature is simple enough but our minds and thoughts are complex. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 31 04:53:31 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VCqTB0018826; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:52:29 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2VCn2W0016948; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:49:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:49:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.103.139.26] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:38:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4939.300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2005 12:48:41.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7BF6A60:01C535EF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25366 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: NONSENSE? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38 I don't think nonsense is the correct word to use to describe our discussion. I think every opinion I saw till now had a lot of sense. The discussion might be hypothetical but the work everybody does is true. So it will be for the side effects of such a discovery. Do you think that are we too far from such a discovery? I am not. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 31 06:47:44 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VEkqB0009548; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:46:52 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2VEkmNA009515; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:46:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:46:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.64.156.106] From: To: Subject: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 9:46:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050331144642.ODHC2549.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25367 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 39 "G N" said: > If (when, sounds better) I invent something I promise it will be simple and > definable. I hate when things work or not on their own mind. Beside that I > think everything in nature is simple enough but our minds and thoughts are > complex. I firmly believe when we ultimately attain 'Free Energy' and other technologies it will indeed be quite simple. Look at the airplane - it was envisioned for millenia and finally attained. The concept is so simple that a 6 year old can now build one with some wook, glue and paper. w/r/t working and not working what I'm driving at is other unknowns at work that is not concidered. What about the SMOT (for the old timers). I have no doubt that Greg (was that his name?) got it to work when others couldn't. Was the the fact that he was in the southern hemishere and most of us are in the north? Maybe the orientation of his workbench in his garage, goverened by how his house was built, contributed to it. Had he built his workbench on an adjacent wall he may never had seen a glimmer of success. Maybe lattitude was an unknown part of the equation. The closer to the equator the more space you cut through per unit time. There has been several discoveries over the past decade or two showing that there may be preferable directions in the universe. Anyhow, I hope you get my point. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 31 13:22:44 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VLLoB0019006; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:21:50 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2VLLiRW018962; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:21:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:21:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <1112303079.424c65e7c44ba@www.webmail.vuurwerk.nl> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:04:39 +0200 From: stephan bleeker To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion References: <20050330140402.LDEC2549.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 82.169.135.168 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25368 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 40 I would like to say something too. I’m intrigued by science but never studied for it. The interesting part of the discussion goes around this question: “Would you go for a patent or give it away for everyone to use? After all it's your discovery”. First of all, is it really just your discovery? Isn’t your discovery based on tests by others, input from the outside up on your thinking process? I think it’s never just your discovery. I think you steel, if you don’t make sure that your FREE ENERGY machine isn’t giving FREE ENERGY. There for I think that there shut be a new (maybe a parallel) patent system. One that isn’t based on greed but on sharing. We wouldn’t be so pour if we would share what we have. Wouldn’t you give your FREE ENERGY machine to a patent office, that would make sure that it becomes as free as possible?!? If you care for fame, I think you don’t have to worry about it (only if you don’t want it). And every body wants you to research; so there wouldn’t be a problem of money any more for your research team. One year ago, I tried to get the people of this list to work together and build a magnet motor. I’m not a scientist and maybe a magnet motor wasn’t the best starting point, but there was not really a lot of response. Last week, I gave what we hade so far, to Mr. Don Adsitt from www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com. He mailed me back this message: “This design is much like the Minato Wheel and has some implements of the SMOT as well as the Adsit Ramp. The angle getting smaller gives the momentum in your drawing. My thoughts are that not enough momentum can be supplied to overcome the final (attraction or repelling if in repel mode) However I can see what you’re trying to accomplish. It might have some merit if enough wheels are one the shaft and offset from each other .I will try and build a prototype to test your idea. Check back with me from time to time. I'm quiet busy, but will try and squeeze it in. All the best, Don” If you really want the best for this world, give it the best. Greed makes us pour, and if you want to bring a free energy machine on the market, greed will kill you. stephan bleeker From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 31 16:39:41 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j310cpB0008352; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:38:51 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j310cnox008339; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:38:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:38:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:39:13 -0800 From: "James Bledsoe" Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion To: Message-id: <000d01c53653$3a630300$6501a8c0@rottenbone> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050330140402.LDEC2549.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <1112303079.424c65e7c44ba@www.webmail.vuurwerk.nl> Resent-Message-ID: <0CzFSB.A.OCC.YgJTCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25369 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 41 Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion > There for I think that there shut be a new (maybe a parallel) patent > system. One that > isn't based on greed but on sharing. We wouldn't be so pour if we would > share what > we have. Patent means public. The idea of patents is to share. As an inducement to sharing Governments offer use protections for a limited period of time to the holders of patents. If you want to know hot to do somthing look up the Patent. www.uspto.gov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 31 16:50:07 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j310n1B0013603; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:49:06 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j310msRb013527; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:48:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:48:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:49:10 -0800 From: "James Bledsoe" To: Message-id: <003901c53654$9e521760$6501a8c0@rottenbone> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-7; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25370 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: NONSENSE? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 42 The Nonsense i am referring to is all the hyperbole concerning some farout threat to the powers that be should one of us actually achieve "FREE ENERGY". ----- Original Message ----- From: "G N" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:38 AM Subject: [FG]: Re: NONSENSE? > I don't think nonsense is the correct word to use to describe our > discussion. > I think every opinion I saw till now had a lot of sense. > > The discussion might be hypothetical but the work everybody does is true. > So > it will be for the side effects of such a discovery. > > Do you think that are we too far from such a discovery? > > I am not. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 1 00:23:38 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j318MiQH015313; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:22:45 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j318Mfux015301; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:22:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:22:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.103.139.22] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: References: <20050330140402.LDEC2549.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <1112303079.424c65e7c44ba@www.webmail.vuurwerk.nl> <000d01c53653$3a630300$6501a8c0@rottenbone> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:12:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4939.300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2005 08:22:27.0455 (UTC) FILETIME=[F09890F0:01C53693] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25371 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 43 Stephan Bleeker wrote >First of all, is it really just your discovery? Isn't your discovery based on tests by others, input from the outside up on your thinking process? Of course you have to stand on others shoulders. You can't rediscover the wheel. It was already discovered. The important thing is in what way you will use it. Consider this. You get from three different men water, sugar and flour. You can use it in separation or use your imagination and ingenuity in order to bake them into cookies. Everyone who eats those cookies should mention to you for the discovery not the other three men. Their job was important and precious and gave you the means to achieve something better, but you made the effort to achieve it. As James Bledsoe wrote >Patent means public. >The idea of patents is to share. >As an inducement to sharing Governments offer use protections for a limited period of time to the holders of patents. You have a small period to earn from your patent in your own preferred way. After that everyone will benefit from it and others will be able to add to it and 'bake their own cookies'. cbh014@bellsouth.net wrote >Was the the fact that he was in the southern hemishere and most of us are in the north? Maybe the orientation of his workbench in his garage, goverened by how his house was built, contributed to it. Had he built his workbench on an adjacent wall he may never had seen a glimmer of success. Maybe lattitude was an unknown part of the equation If all these are possible then he just made an observation, not a discovery. It would be a discovery if he was able to explain why it was working or not. Of course, the most important would be for him to be able to make it work every time in every environment. A hostile environment would possible prevent it from working but he should know why this was happening. I am sure that a lot of people have made a lot of important observations. Recorded or not. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 1 03:03:25 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j31B2TqK001321; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 03:02:30 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j31B2P17001287; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 03:02:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 03:02:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <001301c536aa$ec78b100$dbb6adcb@JohnandDel> From: "John Mount" To: References: <20050329143138.YGWL1995.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:06:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at matilda.net.au Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25372 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 44 Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics > It all depends on what you want to do. If it works and you want to help humanity and not be the next Bill Gates then your best option is to release it to the world and patent it at the same time. > > If you release it and don't patent it you open up the possibility for someone else to patent it and totally screw you. ========================= If you can manipulate the laws of physics and you are smart enough to invent a, 'you-beaut-little-or-no-input-free-energy-device' then this is how I see it: IF you can convince the patent office to grant you an appointment to discuss your FE invention; IF you can then convince them you are sane and that you do have a genuine FE device, and IF afterwards they don't politely show you the door, you will then have to apply for a world patent, not just for a single country - for obvious reasons- naturally this is going to cost big bucks and presumably take some time! For however long it takes you to receive this patent you will be constantly looking over your shoulder. Why? The patent office will undoubtedly have your device assessed by 'experts'.I'm guessing that there will be others during the course of events who will be told about your patent application. What then do you think your chances are of keeping your device secret from the energy conglomerates who have (well paid)'eyes and ears' everywhere? Then of course there is the Government (who do you think the patent office belongs to?) They too have eyes and ears everywhere - if not in the patent office then via the FBI, CIA etc - (I would not be surprised if every patent office has standing orders to report to the government any successful FE device that comes to their attention!) Otherwise a concerned official from the patent office or a very high board member from one of the energy monopolies will have a word with a senator or other government representative and next minute the FBI or some other agency is on your doorstep demanding your device and paperwork. Of course not long afterwards your patent application will be refused on the grounds of "National Security" and you will be told to keep your mouth shut or else! I'm only relying on memory here but didn't old man diesel"fall overboard" during a sea voyage? And how did Tesla's lab "accidentally" catch fire, and why did Henry Moray start totin' a gun? What about all those other poor sods who tried to introduce new ideas like, Meucci,Stubblefield et al? Surely no one is naive enough to think that the big fuel companies and others who have so much to lose are just going to sit back and watch their multi-trillion dollar companies (and their own asses) go down the gurgler? The question is - are their ways of getting protection and reward for one's FE device other than a patent?? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 1 06:29:23 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j31ESWqK020594; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 06:28:33 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j31ESDVQ020475; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 06:28:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 06:28:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.64.156.106] From: To: , Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 9:28:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050401142805.EWXG2468.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25373 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 45 You need to look at the patent laws. They are not really what you might think. We have a couple issues here: First ------ The bulk of the patent describes the invention, usually to to point of building a working model, though your protection is limited to what you actually 'Claim' Suppose you spend years developing a machine and due to whatever your claim is that crystal grown from 30% Ferric Cloride 70% Copper Sulphate will produce such and such. Fine. Now someone turns around and get the same result with with a crystal grown from Ferric Sulphate and Cupric Cloride. Guess what? They are free to manufacture it. Second ----------- You make all the claims properly, FedEx the patent application in and announce the plans to the world that afternoon. Some sleezebag in Maryland gets your post, quickly draws up a patent and hand delivers it to the USPTO. Guess What? You loose and cannot profit from it because it is not *your* invention, it's the sleezebags. (Supposedly another individual applied for a telephone patent the same day as Bell, but later in the day. Both discovered it independently but only one won out) Third ------ You do everything right, are awarded the patent and hailed as a hero. Those affected by the patent criticize it, bad mouth it & you; debate for 15 years the economic impact and life continues to go on. Seventeen years later you haven't made dime while the 'Energy Companies' are now ramping up to produce it. You'll be in the history books as the inventer but Shell and Exxon and BP will make the bucks. You'll never see a dime.. -- Patenting it and releasing it is still no guarantee that someone else will find an additional claim that'll screw you. Like the Hokey-Pokey, that's what it's all about. > > From: "John Mount" > Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics > > > > It all depends on what you want to do. If it works and you want to help > > humanity and not be the next Bill Gates then your best option is to release > > it to the world and patent it at the same time. > > > > If you release it and don't patent it you open up the possibility for > > someone else to patent it and totally screw you. > > The question is - are their ways of getting protection and reward for > one's FE device other than a patent?? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 2 18:37:13 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j332aMKn005669; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:36:22 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j332aI6C005643; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:36:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:36:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <003f01c537f6$c0611ec0$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: <20050331144642.ODHC2549.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:42:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25374 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion Greg never sent me the SMOT That I paid for Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 46 Hi Friends I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received it. I am extremely disappointed. If some one has a good e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, feel free to forward this message to him. I am Randy Elston Hargraves in Oklahoma USA 1(405) 354-0044 Cell I feel Cheated ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: [FG]: Re: free energy discussion > > "G N" said: > > > If (when, sounds better) I invent something I promise it will be simple and > > definable. I hate when things work or not on their own mind. Beside that I > > think everything in nature is simple enough but our minds and thoughts are > > complex. > > I firmly believe when we ultimately attain 'Free Energy' and other technologies it will indeed be quite simple. Look at the airplane - it was envisioned for millenia and finally attained. The concept is so simple that a 6 year old can now build one with some wook, glue and paper. > > w/r/t working and not working what I'm driving at is other unknowns at work that is not concidered. What about the SMOT (for the old timers). I have no doubt that Greg (was that his name?) got it to work when others couldn't. Was the the fact that he was in the southern hemishere and most of us are in the north? Maybe the orientation of his workbench in his garage, goverened by how his house was built, contributed to it. Had he built his workbench on an adjacent wall he may never had seen a glimmer of success. Maybe lattitude was an unknown part of the equation. The closer to the equator the more space you cut through per unit time. There has been several discoveries over the past decade or two showing that there may be preferable directions in the universe. > > Anyhow, I hope you get my point. > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 7 15:15:38 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j37MEeRX003447; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:14:41 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j37MEbW0003389; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:14:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:14:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050407220749.43838.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Re: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25375 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 47 This is all ture. The patent office exists to enhance the development of technology. "The Office" offers you the protection of "The Office" for seven years in exchange for the right to publish the invention. So A patent does NOT protect an invention. Only smart marketing and speed to market can make you money. BTW I take offence at this statement from a previous post. ____________________ If your invention ruins the life of one investor for every real person it helps, I'd have no qualms about it. Today's business ethics is that it's ok to screw the common people if your investors can gain another penny. There are no morals in free trade capitalism. ____________________ Here is why. An invester is a real person, at least I like to believe I am. Todays business ethics are constantly violated by businessmen with poor personal ethics. There are goodguys and badguys everywhere. We are not out to screw the common, rather; we are the common. The morals in free trade are simple and correct >> I have something you want and if you are willing to trade me something for it we have free trade. Without free trade there is no advancement becasue there would be no point in producing something. For example. Withought comercial interest... >Bell's invention would be a cute novelty >Ford would have never developed the assembly line & low cost automobile >No Internet >No space program >No computers >No electricity >No newspapers >No TV >No... no... no... Sure life would be much simpler and we would not be having this discussion. The secret to advancement is comercial invalvment. The Patent office does not protect your secrets, only your comercial interests and only as far as the athority of that office reaches. The solution... Stop trying to be a get rich quick hero and just do the right thing. If you make a buck that's cool too. The Right Thing: As it stands to date. Nobody has produced any provable over-unity device. Don't stop trying, but don't pour your life's savings into it. It is great to chace after the "impossible" maybe with a positave result but you have to be responcible about it and understand that it may take many many years to become usable. We are running out of energy and need to act now. >Roll back the thermostat. >Use more effecent lighting. >Get rid of the SUV. >Install alternitave energy solutions in your home to suplement your consumption >Invent new alternitaves. Again... IF you make a buck along the way that's cool too. Cheers! --- cbh014@bellsouth.net wrote: > You need to look at the patent laws. They are not really what you might > think. > > We have a couple issues here: > > First > ------ > The bulk of the patent describes the invention, usually to to point of > building a working model, though your protection is limited to what you > actually 'Claim' > > Suppose you spend years developing a machine and due to whatever your > claim is that crystal grown from 30% Ferric Cloride 70% Copper Sulphate > will produce such and such. Fine. Now someone turns around and get the > same result with with a crystal grown from Ferric Sulphate and Cupric > Cloride. Guess what? They are free to manufacture it. > > > Second > ----------- > You make all the claims properly, FedEx the patent application in and > announce the plans to the world that afternoon. Some sleezebag in > Maryland gets your post, quickly draws up a patent and hand delivers it > to the USPTO. Guess What? You loose and cannot profit from it because > it is not *your* invention, it's the sleezebags. (Supposedly another > individual applied for a telephone patent the same day as Bell, but > later in the day. Both discovered it independently but only one won > out) > > Third > ------ > You do everything right, are awarded the patent and hailed as a hero. > Those affected by the patent criticize it, bad mouth it & you; debate > for 15 years the economic impact and life continues to go on. Seventeen > years later you haven't made dime while the 'Energy Companies' are now > ramping up to produce it. > > You'll be in the history books as the inventer but Shell and Exxon and > BP will make the bucks. You'll never see a dime.. > > -- > > Patenting it and releasing it is still no guarantee that someone else > will find an additional claim that'll screw you. > > Like the Hokey-Pokey, that's what it's all about. > > > > > > > > > From: "John Mount" > > Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy Ethics > > > > > > > It all depends on what you want to do. If it works and you want to > help > > > humanity and not be the next Bill Gates then your best option is to > release > > > it to the world and patent it at the same time. > > > > > > If you release it and don't patent it you open up the possibility > for > > > someone else to patent it and totally screw you. > > > > The question is - are their ways of getting protection and reward for > > one's FE device other than a patent?? > > > Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 15 21:35:22 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3G4YYrt015205; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:34:35 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3G4YMB1015161; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:34:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:34:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <006301c5423d$4675a300$3b431ad3@horace> From: "dean" To: References: <20050407220749.43838.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:32:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <9da00D.A.vsD.NXJYCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25376 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: How do transformers really work? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 48 Hi all, Can anyone here tell me how a transformer really works. If the flux that links the secondary varies only within (inside) the core, it cannot actually "cut" the secondary winding. It, then, doesn't come anywhere near the seconday. If, though, the flux rises and falls through the hole in the middle, then this is leakage flux, and as much as possible is done to minimise this. So if there is no flux actually cutting the winding... it is all in the core..., then, according to the way I learnt it, nothing can be induced in the secondary. It seems I do not know much about this stuff called "magnetism" after all! Something similar applies to current transformers (CT's). The CT principle applies to most tong ammeters. How come it does not matter where abouts the cable runs in the hole... how close to the steel it runs, or how far away from the steel (closest to the centre)... the current value measured is the same. But if the flux is strongest closest to the cable, then the value read should vary. I have a sneaking suspicion that even if the CT was 10 or 100mtrs diameter, it would still read the same. This effect over a distance seems to have little to do with the magnetic field. In the words of one auspcious gentleman, why is it so? Cheers, Ralph From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 15 22:09:54 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3G595rt031118; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:09:05 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3G593fM031103; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:09:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:09:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: How do transformers really work? Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:08:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2005 05:08:54.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[62B8CC40:01C54242] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25377 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 49 Dean asked; Hi all, Can anyone here tell me how a transformer really works. If you can stay with this man, you will have your answer. I've read it twice and still haven't a clue. http://www.cheniere.org/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 16 06:30:26 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3GDTYKS024407; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:29:38 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3GDTVV4024396; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:29:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:29:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000801c54288$336a09e0$3904490c@don> From: "Don Bangert" To: References: <20050407220749.43838.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <006301c5423d$4675a300$3b431ad3@horace> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:28:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <_nLY.A.98F.7MRYCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25378 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: How do transformers really work? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 50 Here are a couple of links related to "How does a transformer work?"... http://www.aelgroup.co.uk/hb/hb007.htm (Good) http://www.physlink.com/Education/askexperts/ae427.cfm (Better) http://www.eatonelectrical.com/unsecure/html/101basics/Module04/Output/ (Best) It also helps to understand that a magnetic field encompasses a wire when current is present. By increasing the number of wires where the current and direction of wire are similar (i.e. in a coil) you concentrate the magnetic field that is produced. By inserting a ferrous material into the core of the coil, you further concentrate the magnetic field. A transformer is two or more coils that share a common core. Also, a well-built transformer will have (almost) a 1:1 power conversion factor. Regards, Don Bangert ----- Original Message ----- From: "dean" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: [FG]: How do transformers really work? > Hi all, > > Can anyone here tell me how a transformer really works. If the flux that > links the secondary varies only within (inside) the core, it cannot actually > "cut" the secondary winding. It, then, doesn't come anywhere near the > seconday. If, though, the flux rises and falls through the hole in the > middle, then this is leakage flux, and as much as possible is done to > minimise this. So if there is no flux actually cutting the winding... it is > all in the core..., then, according to the way I learnt it, nothing can be > induced in the secondary. > > It seems I do not know much about this stuff called "magnetism" after all! > > Something similar applies to current transformers (CT's). The CT principle > applies to most tong ammeters. How come it does not matter where abouts the > cable runs in the hole... how close to the steel it runs, or how far away > from the steel (closest to the centre)... the current value measured is the > same. But if the flux is strongest closest to the cable, then the value > read should vary. I have a sneaking suspicion that even if the CT was 10 or > 100mtrs diameter, it would still read the same. This effect over a distance > seems to have little to do with the magnetic field. In the words of one > auspcious gentleman, why is it so? > > Cheers, > Ralph > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 16 08:49:21 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3GFmWKS006767; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:48:33 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3GFmUM9006752; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:48:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:48:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: peter kornev To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: How do transformers really work=?koi8-r?Q?=3F?= Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [64.228.45.126] Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:48:29 +0400 In-Reply-To: <000801c54288$336a09e0$3904490c@don> Reply-To: peter kornev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25379 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 51 Hello. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 16 21:04:09 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3H43KKS010812; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:03:20 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3H43Iwq010795; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:03:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:03:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050417040307.79056.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ford Subject: RE: [FG]: How do transformers really work? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25380 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 52 Dean;Mitch: Reading a writeup on an MEG hardly explains what was happening in a transformer. e.g lets see one work first (I will want to measure it myself) A simpler way to view a transformer follows. Imagine two wires running parillel to each other. As current begins to flow in the first wire a field expands and lines cut the second wire. This induces current (in the oposite direction) in the second wire. It's that simple. The "core" design & materials are selected as a mater of incereacing the efficency by reducing loss. The better the core traps the junk inside the device the more efficent the transfer of energy. Losses are apparent in the form of heat, magnetic radiation, and acoustical noise. These are all measureable. --- M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > Dean asked; > > Hi all, > > Can anyone here tell me how a transformer really works. > > > > If you can stay with this man, you will have your answer. I've read it > > twice and still haven't a clue. > > http://www.cheniere.org/ > > > Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 16 23:43:08 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3H6gIfa030299; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:42:18 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3H6gF6N030280; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:42:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:42:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com In-Reply-To: <20050417040307.79056.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: How do transformers really work? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:42:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2005 06:42:08.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[93D7B2B0:01C54318] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25381 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 53 From: Charles Ford To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: How do transformers really work? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_4gMvD.A.B2C.illYCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25382 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 54 Well, I have, and I couldn't get any of them to work. I spent quite literally several hundred hours trying to get John Bedini's modified Kromrey motor/generator system to work without any desired results. I tried to get the oscillator/transistor switch/battery system (several incarnations) to work, with no results. I've tried a few others, also with no results. I wish JLN would share his secrets of how he got them to work, if indeed he did. M. J., how many have YOU gotten to work? Zack On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > From: Charles Ford > Reading a writeup on an MEG hardly explains what was happening in a > transformer. > > Mr. Ford, > > Have you read it? Do you understand how we have learned only part of what > really makes electricity tick? Did you read about JLN labs replicating the > meg and conforming its overunity? > Have you ever tried replicating any of John Bedini's works? > > Why do I have the distinct feeling that the answers are no, no, no, and no? > > Good day to you Sir, > > M.J. Mitchell > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 17 10:20:23 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3HHJQqf010226; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:19:27 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3HHJI0f010182; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:19:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:19:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: How do transformers really work? Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:19:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2005 17:19:10.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[91BB16D0:01C54371] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25383 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 55 From: Zack Widup M. J., how many have YOU gotten to work? Zack I don't know near enough about the MEG to even attempt, and my attempt of Bedini's work was crude at best, I did see near unity running on a small motorcycle battery for more than 8 hours. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 18 05:06:12 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3IC5Pqf001993; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:05:25 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3IC5CMO001867; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:05:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:05:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <004601c5440e$906360b0$23431ad3@horace> From: "Ralph Dean" To: References: <20050407220749.43838.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <006301c5423d$4675a300$3b431ad3@horace> <000801c54288$336a09e0$3904490c@don> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:02:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25384 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: How do transformers really work? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 56 Don and all, Many thanks for these great sites. I am not sure I have really got my message across about transformers. I have no problems with the field around one conductor affecting another. Or one coil's field affecting another coil. But when we add a core (which actually increases the flux produced by the primary by approximately 1000 times, rather than concentrating it), the flux is *in* the core - not outside of it cuttting the secondary winding. If it is all inside the core, then the sec. sort of sees it from a distance... somehow. And with the Tong ammeter... if the flux is strongest closest to the wire, then the reading on the tong ammeter will change, depending on where the wire runs through the centre hole. This does not happen. Cheers, RALPH Don wrote: > Here are a couple of links related to "How does a transformer work?"... > > http://www.aelgroup.co.uk/hb/hb007.htm (Good) > http://www.physlink.com/Education/askexperts/ae427.cfm (Better) > http://www.eatonelectrical.com/unsecure/html/101basics/Module04/Output/ > (Best) > > It also helps to understand that a magnetic field encompasses a wire when > current is present. By increasing the number of wires where the current > and > direction of wire are similar (i.e. in a coil) you concentrate the > magnetic > field that is produced. By inserting a ferrous material into the core of > the > coil, you further concentrate the magnetic field. A transformer is two or > more coils that share a common core. Also, a well-built transformer will > have (almost) a 1:1 power conversion factor. > > Regards, > Don Bangert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 18 05:29:28 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3ICTFqf014029; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:29:15 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3ICTDMh014014; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:29:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:29:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:29:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Re: How do transformers really work? In-Reply-To: <004601c5440e$906360b0$23431ad3@horace> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3Eb7ED.A.5aD.Zg6YCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25385 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 57 Both the primary and secondary need to be wound on the core. The magnetic flux cuts the secondary in exactly the same way it cuts the primary winding. If it got into the core from the primary, it has to produce an effect on the secondary also, as they are wound in exactly the same way, usually just a different number of turns. Zack On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Ralph Dean wrote: > Don and all, > > Many thanks for these great sites. I am not sure I have really got my > message across about transformers. I have no problems with the field around > one conductor affecting another. Or one coil's field affecting another > coil. But when we add a core (which actually increases the flux produced by > the primary by approximately 1000 times, rather than concentrating it), the > flux is *in* the core - not outside of it cuttting the secondary winding. > If it is all inside the core, then the sec. sort of sees it from a > distance... somehow. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 18 05:45:51 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3ICjWqf022763; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:45:33 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3ICjU4V022740; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:45:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:45:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <007401c54414$35492d30$23431ad3@horace> From: "Ralph Dean" To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:43:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <_v4sM.A.LjF.pv6YCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25386 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: How do transformers really work? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 58 Zack, We are taught by all who are wise that it "cuts"... but if the flux inside the core is buckets full, compared to what is outside, and there is ideally none outside (flux outside the core is called "leakage flux" and is designed out... undesireable), then does the flux actually "cut" anything? Your comment is correct in that the flux is said to "cut" the primary also; thus back emf. But the same question remains. I am not trying to play dumb here. It is something that has mystified me for some years. Cheers, RALPH Zack wrote: Both the primary and secondary need to be wound on the core. The magnetic flux cuts the secondary in exactly the same way it cuts the primary winding. If it got into the core from the primary, it has to produce an effect on the secondary also, as they are wound in exactly the same way, usually just a different number of turns. Zack On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Ralph Dean wrote: >> Don and all, >> >> Many thanks for these great sites. I am not sure I have really got my >> message across about transformers. I have no problems with the field >> around >> one conductor affecting another. Or one coil's field affecting another >> coil. But when we add a core (which actually increases the flux produced >> by >> the primary by approximately 1000 times, rather than concentrating it), >> the >> flux is *in* the core - not outside of it cuttting the secondary winding. >> If it is all inside the core, then the sec. sort of sees it from a >> distance... somehow. >> > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 18 09:40:44 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3IGeOqf015740; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:40:24 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3IGeLqC015706; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:40:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:40:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RTRV/eY5ufKY1e8jvlYbGToZc2Ty6NUWt/QU2gGkEOYVWne6mpZZQutYj+eAa4/vtguiCYr8UCqQE3GvBP0GEi3OZp1t2tEVoML35AaR0su6Z35mdM3qEv8NL0IXLUyz7kjq1Uhte8iA2tgMrLxkvBEj2u2o7+1zEa7CcQkplXs= ; Message-ID: <20050418164012.79099.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Harvey Norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: How do transformers really work? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25387 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 59 --- Ralph Dean wrote: > Zack, > We are taught by all who are wise that it "cuts"... > but if the flux inside > the core is buckets full, compared to what is > outside, and there is ideally > none outside (flux outside the core is called > "leakage flux" and is designed > out... undesireable), then does the flux actually > "cut" anything? Your > comment is correct in that the flux is said to "cut" > the primary also; thus > back emf. But the same question remains. I always considered the ferromagnetic transformer action a case of the Aharonov-Bohm effect, sort of an action at a distance gig, where the flux does not cut the wires, but instead the changing flux in the core induces a voltage on the outside wires. Years ago I did a crude outside construction using 500 ft of 14 gauge wire spaced about 1 inch winds on a circular form of 7 ft diameter. In the center of this circle I placed a crude tesla coil with a secondary of 14 gauge wire, a very inneffiecienct design where the secondary was on sonotube, about 20 inches diameter, but the secondary only had some 270 winds. Nevertheless that coil could produce 2 inch arcs. On the outside 7 ft diameter windings about 3/4 inch of arcing could be found when the wire endings were placed in proximity. It is thought that very little magnetic field from the central 20 inch TC would cut the lines of the 7 ft diameter outside coil, but nevertheless it captured enough emf to produce a 3/4 inch arc. Old electrical books say that flux change within a core area can induce emf without magnetic lines crossing the wires of that coil. I would imagine ths fits the definition of the A-B effect... HDN > > I am not trying to play dumb here. It is something > that has mystified me > for some years. > > Cheers, > RALPH > > > > Zack wrote: > > Both the primary and secondary need to be wound on > the core. The magnetic > flux cuts the secondary in exactly the same way it > cuts the primary > winding. If it got into the core from the primary, > it has to produce an > effect on the secondary also, as they are wound in > exactly the same way, > usually just a different number of turns. > > Zack > > > > On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Ralph Dean wrote: > > >> Don and all, > >> > >> Many thanks for these great sites. I am not sure > I have really got my > >> message across about transformers. I have no > problems with the field > >> around > >> one conductor affecting another. Or one coil's > field affecting another > >> coil. But when we add a core (which actually > increases the flux produced > >> by > >> the primary by approximately 1000 times, rather > than concentrating it), > >> the > >> flux is *in* the core - not outside of it > cuttting the secondary winding. > >> If it is all inside the core, then the sec. sort > of sees it from a > >> distance... somehow. > >> > > > > Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 19 08:08:41 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3JF8VRg028542; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:08:31 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3JF8IXA028435; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:08:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:08:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <03f601c544f0$290720e0$7cfea8c0@newmicronpc> From: "jonfli" To: References: <007401c54414$35492d30$23431ad3@horace> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:57:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25388 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: How do transformers really work? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 60 Ralph and all, Much confusion surrounds the true mechanism of transformer induction and we still have much to learn! Years ago I located a paper on the web titled "Power Flow in Transformers via the Poynting Vector" by J. Edwards and T.K. Saha but have done a recent search and was unable to locate a current link. Anyway, this paper explains and shows calculations for power transfer in cored transformer configurations such as toroids, etc, using the Poynting vector S. Although it may appear that "flux cutting" is the means for transformer induction, it isn't. Until we understand the actual means of induction, our free energy efforts will most likely be in vain. A Google search will yield many papers on the subject of the Poynting vector for power flow in transformers. Hope this helps! Jon F. > Zack, > We are taught by all who are wise that it "cuts"... but if the flux inside > the core is buckets full, compared to what is outside, and there is ideally > none outside (flux outside the core is called "leakage flux" and is designed > out... undesireable), then does the flux actually "cut" anything? Your > comment is correct in that the flux is said to "cut" the primary also; thus > back emf. But the same question remains. > > I am not trying to play dumb here. It is something that has mystified me > for some years. > > Cheers, > RALPH > > > > Zack wrote: > > Both the primary and secondary need to be wound on the core. The magnetic > flux cuts the secondary in exactly the same way it cuts the primary > winding. If it got into the core from the primary, it has to produce an > effect on the secondary also, as they are wound in exactly the same way, > usually just a different number of turns. > > Zack > > > > On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Ralph Dean wrote: > > >> Don and all, > >> > >> Many thanks for these great sites. I am not sure I have really got my > >> message across about transformers. I have no problems with the field > >> around > >> one conductor affecting another. Or one coil's field affecting another > >> coil. But when we add a core (which actually increases the flux produced > >> by > >> the primary by approximately 1000 times, rather than concentrating it), > >> the > >> flux is *in* the core - not outside of it cuttting the secondary winding. > >> If it is all inside the core, then the sec. sort of sees it from a > >> distance... somehow. > >> > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 19 15:43:27 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3JMhFRg005863; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:43:15 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3JMhD88005844; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:43:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:43:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <426592D6.DD7E31C6@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:23:02 -0700 From: a X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Re: How do transformers really work? References: <007401c54414$35492d30$23431ad3@horace> <03f601c544f0$290720e0$7cfea8c0@newmicronpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: OK. Scanned. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25389 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 61 To add to the confusion, Hooper's old papers on "Motional electric field" (Rex research.com should have them) discuss the 3 forms of induction (as he saw it), 'flux linking' , 'flux cutting' and 'motional', each with its own properties. See also Aharonov-Bohm effect and role of "A" vector potential and often quoted (see Bearden , Excalibur Briefing references) patents that use a toroidal transformer as a vector-potential antenna. Alik S. jonfli wrote: snip > Until we understand the actual means of > induction, our free energy efforts will most likely be in vain. > > A Google search will yield many papers on the subject of the Poynting vector > for power flow in transformers. Hope this helps! > > Jon F. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 19 18:10:38 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3K1A3Ca027601; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:10:03 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3K1A0fJ027562; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:10:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:09:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050420010953.50335.qmail@web42106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:09:53 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect To: FreeEnergy , Vortex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25390 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 62 Randy Elston wrote: Hi Friends I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never received it. I am extremely disappointed. If someone has a good e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, feel free to forward this message to him. I am Randy Elston Hargraves in Oklahoma USA 1(405) 354-0044 Cell I feel Cheated ------------------------------------------- Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT kits. You might want to check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ You wil be getting your SMOT kit complete with a new measurement system which proves the Prometheus Effect at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. Greg Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 19 21:35:18 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3K4Z0i3023232; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:35:00 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3K4Yug0023180; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:34:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:34:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:34:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: FreeEnergy Subject: Re: [FG]: Prometheus Effect In-Reply-To: <20050420010953.50335.qmail@web42106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <0LhE5B.A.ypF.tvdZCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25391 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 63 OMIGAWD! You're not ... Greg Watson?!? Zack On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > Randy Elston wrote: > > Hi Friends > > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for > a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never received it. I > am extremely disappointed. If someone has a good > e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, feel > free to forward this message to him. > > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > in Oklahoma USA > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > I feel Cheated > ------------------------------------------- > > Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT kits. > You might want to check out: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > You wil be getting your SMOT kit complete with a new > measurement system which proves the Prometheus Effect > at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. > > Greg > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 20 04:27:04 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3KBQoPs004132; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:26:51 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3KBQm5j004124; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:26:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:26:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <00ac01c5459b$8a3e3ff0$09431ad3@horace> From: "Ralph Dean" To: References: <007401c54414$35492d30$23431ad3@horace> <03f601c544f0$290720e0$7cfea8c0@newmicronpc> <426592D6.DD7E31C6@intergate.bc.ca> Subject: Re: [FG]: How do transformers really work? Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:24:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <9OoTdB.A.SAB.4xjZCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25392 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 64 Many thanks for all your help. It is reassuring to hear that the answer (to how a transformer really works) has been sought after by greater minds, to no avail. It kind of makes one feel a tad less stupid! A pity there is just so much to learn. Thanks, too, Alik for the site on rexresearch.com. I had never come across it before. I think I might surface again in thirty of forty years. Cheers, RALPH Alik wrote: > To add to the confusion, Hooper's old papers on "Motional electric field" > (Rex > research.com should have them) discuss the 3 forms of induction (as he saw > it), > 'flux linking' , 'flux cutting' and 'motional', each with its own > properties. > See also Aharonov-Bohm effect and role of "A" vector potential and often > quoted > (see Bearden , Excalibur Briefing references) patents that use a toroidal > transformer as a vector-potential antenna. > > Alik S. > > jonfli wrote: > > snip > >> Until we understand the actual means of >> induction, our free energy efforts will most likely be in vain. >> >> A Google search will yield many papers on the subject of the Poynting >> vector >> for power flow in transformers. Hope this helps! >> >> Jon F. >> > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 20 04:50:15 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3KBnwPs013878; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:49:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3KBnutD013846; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:49:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:49:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050420114946.78076.qmail@web42101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:49:46 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect Subject: Re: [FG]: Prometheus Effect To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25393 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 65 Hi Zack, Yes I'm he. Now its just engineering effort, time and money, Greg --- Zack Widup wrote: > OMIGAWD! You're not ... Greg Watson?!? > > Zack > > > On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > > > Randy Elston wrote: > > > > Hi Friends > > > > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid > for > > a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never received it. > I > > am extremely disappointed. If someone has a good > > e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, > feel > > free to forward this message to him. > > > > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > > in Oklahoma USA > > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > > I feel Cheated > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT > kits. > > You might want to check out: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > > > You wil be getting your SMOT kit complete with a > new > > measurement system which proves the Prometheus > Effect > > at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. > > > > Greg > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > Movies. > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > > > > Now it's just engineering effort, time and money, Greg Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 21 17:38:54 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3M0chHG024302; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:38:44 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3M0cTPA024213; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:38:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:38:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Bob Paddock Organization: The Designer-III Company http://www.designer-iii.com/ To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Re: How do transformers really work? Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:38:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <007401c54414$35492d30$23431ad3@horace> <03f601c544f0$290720e0$7cfea8c0@newmicronpc> In-Reply-To: <03f601c544f0$290720e0$7cfea8c0@newmicronpc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200504212038.17862.bpaddock@csonline.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at csonline.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j3M0cQHG024158 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25394 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 66 On Tuesday 19 April 2005 10:57 am, jonfli wrote: > Years ago I located a paper on the web titled > "Power Flow in Transformers via the Poynting Vector" by J. Edwards and T.K. > Saha but have done a recent search and was unable to locate a current link. http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~aupec/aupec00/edwards00.pdf --       http://www.softwaresafety.net/  http://www.unusualresearch.com/ http://www.bpaddock.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 21 20:23:43 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3M3NRSb009404; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:23:27 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3M3NNSt009361; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:23:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:23:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <076a01c546e9$03b2c920$7cfea8c0@newmicronpc> From: "jonfli" To: References: <007401c54414$35492d30$23431ad3@horace> <03f601c544f0$290720e0$7cfea8c0@newmicronpc> <200504212038.17862.bpaddock@csonline.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Re: How do transformers really work? Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:11:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5r0QX.A.DSC.q4GaCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25395 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 67 Bob, Thanks for the link! I highly recommend this paper for anyone doing FE research. For example, would it be possible to wind a transformer in a configuration that would allow an increase of the E field as compared to conventional designs? Since the power flow or Poynting vector S=E x H, there should be an increase in power flow and OU would be the result. In doing research on the MEG with conventional winding techniques, one will find a relatively large "leakage inductance" between the primaries or control windings, and the secondaries. However, if both primaries and secondaries are wound in vertical sections placed side by side instead of the standard layered windings, the "leakage inductance" is nearly non-existent in the same core configuration! Just an example of departure from the norm. Jon F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Paddock" To: Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Re: How do transformers really work? > On Tuesday 19 April 2005 10:57 am, jonfli wrote: > > > Years ago I located a paper on the web titled > > "Power Flow in Transformers via the Poynting Vector" by J. Edwards and T.K. > > Saha but have done a recent search and was unable to locate a current link. > > http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~aupec/aupec00/edwards00.pdf > > > -- > http://www.softwaresafety.net/ > http://www.unusualresearch.com/ http://www.bpaddock.com/ > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 21 21:33:18 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3M4WlSb015905; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:32:48 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3M4WeS5015831; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:32:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:32:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:32:31 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect To: FreeEnergy , Vortex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25396 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 68 Randy E Hargraves wrote: > Hi Friends > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid > for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received > it. > > I am extremely disappointed. > > If some one has a good e-mail address on him I > would like it. > > In fact, feel free to forward this message to him. > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > in Oklahoma USA > > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > I feel Cheated Hi Randy, You need to checkout the site I have created which has ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart of the SMOT device, is OU: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who didn't get or want their money back, just send me your delivery details. All the best Greg Watson (Prometheus Effect) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 21 22:07:10 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3M56iSb028473; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:06:44 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3M56ca4028434; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:06:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:06:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=L6mQ+rt+I1S9hF56H3kWHIVqccXrdKh5AADBea+FYJV1hhs7WV0w7fwL5Lew7fjjlf1Y+9T1VpyURFxg+A4we7iwPAxxm2b7PgjeTgnwIC2TUO6xHBfAeGc+AXEfCAKqcPjPvI9vgz2BZ2aupQvhHCzYVZMRdOpzPApzW7DPYyQ= ; Message-ID: <20050422050624.43979.qmail@web41529.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Harvey Norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Re: How do transformers really work? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25397 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 69 --- jonfli wrote: > Bob, > > Thanks for the link! I highly recommend this paper > for anyone doing FE > research. For example, would it be possible to wind > a transformer in a > configuration that would allow an increase of the E > field as compared to > conventional designs? Since the power flow or > Poynting vector S=E x H, there > should be an increase in power flow and OU would be > the result. Sorry my physics is fuzzy, and I shouldnt care but do... However the debate goes on, these authors state; "leakage flux is a essential aspect of the ideal transformer". They have to rationalize how a transformer can work without flux lines crossing the cores... When I went to school B and H were strictly defined when talking about effects. B is defined as a cross section of amp/turns per area of cross section: H was the magnetic intensity per unit length of core... >From records... Around the early 80's I also attended Akron State Univ after dropping out, but the different text from that same Elementary Classical Physics course does not seem to deal with H at all, as the other text did. In the early 90's I purchased another Physics text,(Physics for Scientists and Engineers) in which the following is noted on pg 654; We have named B the magnetic field and H the magnetic intensity. These names are not universal. Sometimes B is called the magnetic flux density and H is called the magnetic field. Admittedly, the terminology is confusing, and universal adoption of a single set of terminology is unlikely in the near future. Fortunately, the usage of the symbols B and H as we have defined them is nearly universal. Thus the calculation of a magnetic force on a moving charge or a current nearly always involves B; similarly H is the appropriate field in Ampere's Law. Of course the above authours deal with H, and never mention B, so I see every explanation can be made according to the authours viewpoint. according to how they wish to explain effects... HDN Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 22 11:07:28 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3MI6kXW024646; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:06:46 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3MI6gUD024608; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:06:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:06:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: Vortex cc: FreeEnergy In-Reply-To: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25398 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 70 On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > Hi Randy, > > You need to checkout the site I have created which has > ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart > of the SMOT device, is OU: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ You've finally closed the loop?!!!!!!!! How long does it run? Or is this just another of those "measurement OU" claims which cannot self-act to perform continuous work (minutes or hours long) against friction? (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-789-0775 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 22 16:46:50 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3MNkOAk016832; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:46:25 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3MNkKri016791; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:46:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:46:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050422234613.93049.qmail@web42105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:46:12 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2VGExC.A.SGE.LzYaCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25399 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 71 --- William Beaty wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > Or is this just another of those "measurement OU" > claims which cannot > self-act to perform continuous work (minutes or > hours long) against > friction? 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Beaty http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ Research Engineer UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 beaty@chem.washington.edu Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 ph:206-543-6195 fax:206-685-8665 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 27 21:36:13 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3S4ZsgO001626; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:35:54 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3S4ZoGb001597; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:35:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:35:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <008a01c54bab$d87ba5c0$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: <20050420010953.50335.qmail@web42106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:36:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25402 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 74 hI Greg It was very good to here from you. I breifly looked at your Promtheus Effect Web sight, I am going back to it to examine it better. Wow! I am getting excited again about this project. It looks very interresting. Randy Elston Hargraves 601 John F. Kroutil Dr. Yukon Oklahoma 73099 USA Home 1-405-350-0503 Other 1-405-354-0033 Thanks Again ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prometheus Effect" To: "FreeEnergy" ; "Vortex" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect > Randy Elston wrote: > > Hi Friends > > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for > a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never received it. I > am extremely disappointed. If someone has a good > e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, feel > free to forward this message to him. > > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > in Oklahoma USA > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > I feel Cheated > ------------------------------------------- > > Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT kits. > You might want to check out: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > You wil be getting your SMOT kit complete with a new > measurement system which proves the Prometheus Effect > at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. > > Greg > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 28 19:17:08 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3T2GLv9019549; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:16:21 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3T2GJnr019533; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:16:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:16:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050429021610.22154.qmail@web42110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:16:10 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect To: FreeEnergy In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25403 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect Smot - Thanks!!!!!!! Randy USA Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 75 Hi Randy, Thanks for the feedback. You should have your SMOT kit with the new measurement system in early July. Anyone else waiting for their SMOT kits, please let me have your name and delivery details. Greg --- Randy E Hargraves wrote: > hI Greg It was very good to here from you. > > I breifly looked at your Promtheus Effect Web sight, > I am going back to it to examine it better. > > Wow! I am getting excited again about this project. > > It looks very interresting. > > Randy Elston Hargraves > 601 John F. Kroutil Dr. > Yukon Oklahoma > 73099 > USA > > Home 1-405-350-0503 > Other 1-405-354-0033 > > Thanks Again > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Prometheus Effect" > > To: "FreeEnergy" ; "Vortex" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:09 PM > Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect > > > > Randy Elston wrote: > > > > Hi Friends > > > > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid > for > > a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never received it. > I > > am extremely disappointed. If someone has a good > > e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, > feel > > free to forward this message to him. > > > > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > > in Oklahoma USA > > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > > I feel Cheated > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT > kits. > > You might want to check out: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > > > You wil be getting your SMOT kit complete with a > new > > measurement system which proves the Prometheus > Effect > > at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. > > > > Greg > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > Movies. > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 29 02:29:52 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3T9TaGQ016362; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 02:29:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3T9TSDN016306; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 02:29:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 02:29:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050429092237.89317.qmail@web42110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:22:37 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect To: Vortex , FreeEnergy , Prometheus Effect Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25404 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Reqest for Prometheus Effect verifiers Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 76 Guys, I would like to enlist the aid of some of the members of the OU / Free Energy community to independently verify the virtually no magnetic dragback exit of the Prometheus Effect. To that end I will provide a SMOT device and the new lossless measurement system at no cost. In return you will be asked to do a series of measurement on the SMOT device and report back your results & comments either way. The SMOT device and the measurement system will be yours to keep. To that end I would like to ask the following for their so kind assistance: 1) Bill Beaty (Vortex) 2) Scott Little or Hal Puthoff (Vortex) 3) Jed Rothwell (Vortex) 4) Terry Blanton (Vortex) 5) Keith Nagel (Vortex) 6) Jean-Louis Naudin (JLN Labs) 7) Stefan Hartman (Overunity.com) 8) Cyril Smith (OU Builders) 9) David Squires (OU Builders) Now it's just engineering effort, time and money, Greg Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 30 14:22:46 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3ULMAij009623; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:22:15 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j3ULLS0W008992; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:21:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:21:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: Vortex , FreeEnergy cc: Prometheus Effect Group In-Reply-To: <20050429092237.89317.qmail@web42110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050429092237.89317.qmail@web42110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25405 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Greg's closed loop SMOT claims, and Vortex-L & Freenrg-L forums Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 77 On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > I would like to enlist the aid of some of the members of the OU / Free > Energy community to independently verify the virtually no magnetic > dragback exit of the Prometheus Effect. This is somewhat pointless, since you've already achived closed-loop SMOT operation back in 1997. If I recall, you said you did this two different ways: with ramps in a circle, and with some sort of rotary device. We just need all the details of how you did this (such as closeup photos of your different setups in operation.) The list of eyewitnesses to continuous operation that you collected (plus contact info) would go far in convincing us that the whole thing wasn't just a big lie. It's very strange that the videotape that you say you shot in 1997 has never been put on the web. Quality isn't important initially. Just play your tape and aim a cheap digital camera at the TV screen to shoot thirty seconds or so of bad, flickering, small format MPEG, then upload it. How long does that take, like a half hour? (But if SMOT never worked, and if your video too is another lie, then to post that crude video would be almost impossible, no?) Because of your strange behavior, right now I'm assuming that you've been lying all along about seeing the SMOT run continuously for hours in OU device mode. I can be convinced otherwise pretty easily. If I ever become convinced that any OU device is real, I'll throw my support behind it, and I suspect that the other hobbyist websites will too. That your claimed video is not online is 99.99% convincing that you've been lying about achiving closed-loop operation. And in science, even in hobbyist research, once someone has told lies this large, they are no longer trustworthy for ANYTHING. > To that end I will provide a SMOT device and the new lossless > measurement system at no cost. Wrong. The cost is very high in time wasted. Plus the psychological or "karmic" cost of dealing with dishonest people. Instead, provide some high-quality documentation of your 1997 claims of closed-loop operation, or admit that it never occurred. (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-789-0775 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 1 15:47:20 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j41Mkw3P016241; Sun, 1 May 2005 15:46:58 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j41MktUZ016218; Sun, 1 May 2005 15:46:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:46:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050501224644.39698.qmail@web42104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:46:44 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect To: ou-builders@yahoogroups.com, FreeEnergy , Prometheus Effect Group , Vortex In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25406 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Measuring the OU Prometheus Effect Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 78 --- David Dameron wrote: > Hi Greg, > > It is accepted that gravity is a conservative field. As it is also accepted that a magnetic field is conservative. BUT is that really the case 100% of the time or just what we have observed to date? Dave, will you agree to replace David Squires as an independent Prometheus Effect verifier? You will need to join the PE group. > Cyril pointed out that there are places on exit > where there would be no magnetic force. Cyril's force analysis was done on the forces along the ramp and not as the ball drops vertically. I think the slow motion frame by frame animated GIFs of a climb and drop that I have loaded onto the PE site (in the Videos section) tell the story better. > So an important factor is how much kinetic energy > does it take to get the ball to one, not that a > position exists. To make the Prometheus Effect work, IMO, almost ALL the KE must be given back to punch through the inner (dragback / declining flux) wall of the "Blue Hole" and exit vertically downward with little or no dragback of the PE gained during the ramp climb. From the frame by frame slow motion sequences it is clear the ball almost stops (gives up almost all the ramp gained KE) just before it slowly rotates on the exit point and drops verticaly downward with little or no horizontal KE. The ball does have some rotational KE due to the exit point rotation. > Are you saying that a slow magnetic gradient (on > entrance) followed by a larger gradient on exit, > over a shorter distance, can produce a > non-conservative magnetic field? If that is the case it is not clear. Maybe the acceleration of gravity alters? I don't have the equipment to tell but something very significant alters. > That would be very significant! I agree. I just wish I understood what I now know about the Prometheus Effect back in 1997 but that is another story for another day. Hi Dave, What is clear is the following: Establish 4 points: 1) Point A at the ramp entry. 2) Point B where the ball lands if it is allowed to roll backward from Point A and drop say 50mm to a level refernece plane. 3) Point C at the highest point of the ramp climb. 4) Point D where the ball lands if it is allowed to transit points A to C and drop to the same level reference plane as in point A. What I observe is: 1) Measure the final KE as the ball transits point A to B, without magnets (done to max KE by elimination of the magnetic dragback which does occur under the entry point. This same magnetic dragback at the entry assists the balls return). Record as KE1. 2) Measure the final KE as the ball transits points A to C to D. Record as KE2. 3) Measure the flux density at point A (with magnets present). Record as B1. 4) Measure the flux density at point D (with magnets present). Record as B2. 5) Observe KE2 is greater than KE1. (The ball has gained sufficient KE to do the return journey point D to point A against gravity) 6) Observe B1 is greater than B2. (The magnetic field will aid the balls return from point D to point A. Thus the measurements confirm OU capability and a very significant alteration in what conventional theory would predict. Verification of these measurements and observations, using this protocol and the measurement system I have developed, is what I seek from those independent verifiers who choose to do so. Comments most welcome. Now it's just engineering effort, time and money, Greg Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 1 18:05:19 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4214v3P025986; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:04:57 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j4214pFS025923; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:04:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:04:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050502005926.54713.qmail@web42106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:59:26 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect To: OU Builders , FreeEnergy , Prometheus Effect Group , Vortex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Qf_x.A.xUG.yyXdCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25407 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: 1997 - 2005 the missing SMOT years Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 79 Guys, Several have asked and many must have wondered what happened to the SMOT and Greg Watson from 1997 to 2005. Simply stated I walked away from my research due to depression which at some time was quite severe. I turned inward, searching to understand my body and how it works instead of taking the drugs they tried to get me to take. I now consider myself a Naturopath and a much healthier and stronger person. I created a web site of what I discovered about health and aging. The missing photo are due to the breakdown of my 33 year marriage in 2002: http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au/ It's now 3 years later (2005) and I have found a new love who has inspired me to gain the strength and again confront my OU deamons which were: 1) My inability to make a 100% solid SMOT device and ship it to the 20 or so people who had sent me $150 Aus. 2) The very high level of inability experience by other folks in trying to replicate and verify my creations. 3) Infinite Energy's very negative SMOT review where the same "It can't happen" bias that Cold Fusion is subjected to was used against the SMOT. Conventional theory was used to say it can't be OU. NO one actually did any measurements. 4) My inability to deliver a device which could deliver significant energy to a client / potential investor. To reverse these personally damaging past events and to again become active in the OU community I created the Prometheus Effect discussion group where my focus is to ensure the underlying OU Prometheus Effect is clearly understood, can be duplicated and measured before I reveal any new devices I have build. The focus is on understanding the effect and not on building devices. Once the independent Prometheus Effect verifiers have reported back their results, I will reveal photos and a video of the toy SRRS device I'm building. I then trust that others, now armed with their knowledge of the Prometheus Effect, the new measurement system and how to tune a Prometheus Effect exit to gain max energy delivery, reliably replications or new designs of devices based on the Prometheus Effect will see the light of day and start to change the "Can't be done" mind set of the scientific community. One by one I then intend to repeat the process with the other devices and the underlying OU effects I was working on way back then. It's good to be back and in control. Now it's just engineering effort, time and money, Greg Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 1 20:52:24 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j423q2Ye020190; Sun, 1 May 2005 20:52:03 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j423pxxo020145; Sun, 1 May 2005 20:51:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 20:51:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050502035146.8728.qmail@web42102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:51:46 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect To: OU Builders , FreeEnergy , Prometheus Effect Group , Vortex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25408 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Searching for issue # 13/14, March - June 1997 of Infinite Energy magazine Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 80 Hi Guys, Do any of you have the double issue 13/14 1997 of Infinite Energy? On pages 59 - 61 there is a review of the SMOT titled: The Things We Get Up To...... SMOT: Simplified Over-Unity Toy by Christopher Tinsley I wish to write a review on the paper and the incorrect conclusions formed. I will then publish my review and send a copy to Infinite Energy for their action. Hopefully they will do the right thing, publish my review and help to set the record straight that the Prometheus Effect at the heart of the SMOT is OU. Any help would be appreciated as when I asked Jed Rothwell for assistance I was told to "Go to Hell". Guess he was having a bad day. Now it's just engineering effort, time and money, Greg Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 1 21:13:38 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j424DLYe027323; Sun, 1 May 2005 21:13:22 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j424DJn2027283; Sun, 1 May 2005 21:13:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 21:13:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050502041306.49926.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 21:13:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: Measuring the OU Prometheus Effect To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <80-Q0C.A.LqG.ejadCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25409 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 81 Ok... It's driving me nuts.... Take this example. Hold a ball several inches from the ground, then drop it. You will note an increase in KE as the ball accelerates towards the ground. (given) Once the ball hits the ground the KE is converted to acoustical energy and heat and dissipates. (given) Once the ball stops you must lift it up to repeat the experiment. (source) In the act of lifting the ball into position you restore its PE "potential energy". There is of course an energy cost to lifting the ball. In the same way the SMOT gains its KE from the PE that is in the ball as it is suspended in the magnetic field. This PE is likely recharged when the operator returns the ball to the starting point. In order to prove over unity "OU" there MUST be a roll around experiment. ONLY then will this system be pr oven. The ball MUST be able to return to the starting point without external assistance. --- Prometheus Effect wrote: > --- David Dameron wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > > > It is accepted that gravity is a conservative field. > Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 1 22:07:04 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4256oxF018062; Sun, 1 May 2005 22:06:51 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j4256m0x018049; Sun, 1 May 2005 22:06:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 22:06:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050502050642.98714.qmail@web42107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:06:42 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect Subject: Re: [FG]: Measuring the OU Prometheus Effect To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25410 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 82 --- Charles Ford wrote: > > In the same way the SMOT gains its KE from the PE > that is in the ball as it is suspended in the > magnetic field. This PE is likely recharged when > the operator returns the ball to the starting point. Hi Charles, Imagine a measurement system which can measure the final KE (in real time) as the ball hits the ground. We then measure the KE on a fall from entry say as 15mJ, then measure the KE on a fall from exit as say 20mJ. To lift the ball back to the start will cost 15mJ out of the exit balls 20mJ bank account. Assuming you do the engineering job correctly so the return to entry costs less than 5mJ you will get a rollaround. The add in that the magnetic field strength at the final exit position is less than that at the entry so the magnetic field differential works with the ball and will assist the return. Now it's just engineering effort, time and money, Greg Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 2 11:50:58 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42IoiQF017516; Mon, 2 May 2005 11:50:44 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j42IoeTE017478; Mon, 2 May 2005 11:50:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:50:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050502185028.5532.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: Measuring the OU Prometheus Effect To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <66toTD.A.2QE.-ZndCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25411 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 83 Exactly... Except that you don't know how much it takes to get to the starting point. Therefore; a roll around is the only true test. --- Prometheus Effect wrote: > > Hi Charles, > > Imagine a measurement system which can measure the > final KE (in real time) as the ball hits the ground. > We then measure the KE on a fall from entry say as > 15mJ, then measure the KE on a fall from exit as say > 20mJ. > > To lift the ball back to the start will cost 15mJ out > of the exit balls 20mJ bank account. Assuming you do > the engineering job correctly so the return to entry > costs less than 5mJ you will get a rollaround. > Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 2 17:07:33 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4307MQF010034; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:07:23 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j43079iS009934; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:07:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:07:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050503000659.50188.qmail@web42102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:06:59 +1000 (EST) From: Prometheus Effect Subject: Re: [FG]: Measuring the OU Prometheus Effect To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25412 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 84 --- Charles Ford wrote: > > Exactly... Except that you don't know how much it > takes to get to the starting point. Therefore; a > roll around is the only true test. Hi Charles, In the first step you measured the energy KE requirements of the vertical return path as the reverse of the Point A to Point B vertical drop measured KE. Then from magnetic theory we can calc the energy gained moving from a lower B flux density at point D to a higher B flux density at point A. This gain reduces the required KE for the lift. To me a roll around is a device and not a measurement system to understand the dynamics behind the device. Without a good understand of the dynamics and a tool to do the measurements you are going back 8 years and doing a lot of guessing and trial and error. We all know where that got us! What I seek is a group of folks who will take the SMOT device, the new measurement system, verify / report back the results are as expected and then move on as a group to replicate the SRRS. I don't feel the SRRS can be replicated without going down the learning curve of first understanding the Prometheus Effect, learning how to design and tune a SMOT device to deliver the max OU KE. From that building working OU devices based on the Prometheus Effect is just engineering effort, time and money. All the best, Greg Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 2 19:13:29 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j432DE4q022402; Mon, 2 May 2005 19:13:15 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j432DDwZ022384; Mon, 2 May 2005 19:13:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:13:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: peter kornev To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: smot Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [64.228.45.134] Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 06:13:09 +0400 In-Reply-To: <000801c54288$336a09e0$3904490c@don> Reply-To: peter kornev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25413 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 85 Hey sorry to interrupt your conversation. I was just wondering. The first time I have seen the devise with two magnets and a steel ball well the first thing that came to my mind is to close circuit it. Now am I only one to think about this idea or someone actually have tired this? I mean this is the first thing that comes to mind probably in every person and what no one tried? Or am I missing here something? -----Original Message----- From: "Don Bangert" To: Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:28:33 -0700 Subject: [FG]: Re: How do transformers really work? > > Here are a couple of links related to "How does a transformer work?"... > > http://www.aelgroup.co.uk/hb/hb007.htm (Good) > http://www.physlink.com/Education/askexperts/ae427.cfm (Better) > http://www.eatonelectrical.com/unsecure/html/101basics/Module04/Output/ > (Best) > > It also helps to understand that a magnetic field encompasses a wire when > current is present. By increasing the number of wires where the current and > direction of wire are similar (i.e. in a coil) you concentrate the magnetic > field that is produced. By inserting a ferrous material into the core of the > coil, you further concentrate the magnetic field. A transformer is two or > more coils that share a common core. Also, a well-built transformer will > have (almost) a 1:1 power conversion factor. > > Regards, > Don Bangert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dean" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:32 PM > Subject: [FG]: How do transformers really work? > > > > Hi all, > > > > Can anyone here tell me how a transformer really works. If the flux that > > links the secondary varies only within (inside) the core, it cannot > actually > > "cut" the secondary winding. It, then, doesn't come anywhere near the > > seconday. If, though, the flux rises and falls through the hole in the > > middle, then this is leakage flux, and as much as possible is done to > > minimise this. So if there is no flux actually cutting the winding... it > is > > all in the core..., then, according to the way I learnt it, nothing can be > > induced in the secondary. > > > > It seems I do not know much about this stuff called "magnetism" after all! > > > > Something similar applies to current transformers (CT's). The CT > principle > > applies to most tong ammeters. How come it does not matter where abouts > the > > cable runs in the hole... how close to the steel it runs, or how far away > > from the steel (closest to the centre)... the current value measured is > the > > same. But if the flux is strongest closest to the cable, then the value > > read should vary. I have a sneaking suspicion that even if the CT was 10 > or > > 100mtrs diameter, it would still read the same. This effect over a > distance > > seems to have little to do with the magnetic field. In the words of one > > auspcious gentleman, why is it so? > > > > Cheers, > > Ralph > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 5 02:06:09 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4595cbG019386; Thu, 5 May 2005 02:05:38 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j4595Xup019334; Thu, 5 May 2005 02:05:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 02:05:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 02:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <20050501073128.76269.qmail@web42104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050501073128.76269.qmail@web42104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25414 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: The SMOT game Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 86 On Sun, 1 May 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > I don't have the documentation you require but the event did occur. If I > can show you the SMOT (same design as in 1997) is OU, then why can't you > believe I did what I claimed back then? It's because you're controlling information, playing some sort of "chess game." You're avoiding certain topics: topics that center on possible lies of yours, and topics that would lead any of us to verifying any of your 1997 statements. This looks just like "coverup." It's not just the missing documentation, that's dishonest. You claimed to have more than just documentation. Have you also "forgotten" the names of all the friends and associates who you said were eyewitnesses to the closed-loop SMOT operation? You didn't give us their contact info in 1997 and you aren't instantly supplying even one name now. This speaks volumes. (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-789-0775 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 5 02:20:20 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j459JsbG026546; Thu, 5 May 2005 02:19:55 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j459JqRU026520; Thu, 5 May 2005 02:19:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 02:19:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 02:19:49 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-clsiB.A.LeG.3UeeCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25415 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: The SMOT game over, Greg Watson gone Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 87 On Sun, 1 May 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > If I can show you the SMOT (same design as in 1997) is OU, then why > can't you believe I did what I claimed back then? On second thought, I no longer play this kind of "game." You're free to play the persecuted martyr card instead. You're banned from vortex-L and freenrg-L as of right now. Why? Figure it out. (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-789-0775 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 14 13:26:32 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4EKQAGt030955; Sat, 14 May 2005 13:26:10 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j4EKQ6hr030924; Sat, 14 May 2005 13:26:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:26:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: peter kornev To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Tan graph =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=free energy=?koi8-r?Q?=3F=22?= Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [64.228.45.23] Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 00:25:54 +0400 In-Reply-To: <20050318005441.9A56B27B5A4@mail.nixsys.bz> Reply-To: peter kornev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25416 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 88 Hey guys how's everyone is doing. Good? Bad? Ugly? Oh well sorry to hear that. Now here is why I am writing. I was just thinking here. Let us say we take a sine function and graph it. What do we get? Amplitude is one and period is two pie. What about cosine graph well ninety degrees out of phase. Seems all straight forward here. What about tan graph. Well well well. Amplitude goes out into infinity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Interesting isn't it. Looks like if we use our generator we can generate one volt of sine graph, however what if we use some alien generator to produce tan function does this mean we can get any amount of energy that we need? Looks like it. Ok nice thought but what if this is a basic wave of free energy. The Tesla's description of Free energy generator had been quite simple and not big at all. So what would be practical way to create such generator. Here is one idea. Create a wave form like out of tan function and pump it in to primary of a trans. Possibly wind a secondary and see what you get. Hey just a thought tell me what you think of it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 18 08:49:30 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4IFUnrQ006300; Wed, 18 May 2005 08:49:03 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j4ID03ZW027022; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:00:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:59:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000801c55ba8$33895a00$0301490c@don> From: "Don Bangert" To: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:50:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C55B6D.838017A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25417 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Powers of 10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 89 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C55B6D.838017A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Secret Worlds: The Universe Within View the Milky Way at 10 million light years from the Earth. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C55B6D.838017A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 4 02:33:30 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j649X8Qg029185; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 02:33:13 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j649WoL5029049; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 02:32:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 02:32:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: From: R.O.Cornwall@brighton.ac.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:32:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-UoB-Sender: R.O.Cornwall@brighton.ac.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25418 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: TEC data Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 90 Dear Freenrg, I have some data for the TEC project. After a number of years of project mismanagement and the sacking of a supervisor, I have a new supervisory team who told me I was trying to do too much at once. Terrible problems were encountered with power electronics and so forth in the quest for a device that was over-unity. The new team told me to break the project up and so I came up with the following scalable experiments, each of which proves the thesis, however the latter experiments are obviously more gratifying: 1) Independent flux concept. 2) Cooling of an isolated reservoir. 3) Excess power generation. On 1) If you read the papers is the link below (go to the thermo-electric link), specifically 'ERA2005', 'ERA2004' and appendicii of the first two papers you will see what we mean by the independent flux concept. We have two terms in an energy equation, one is just the field energy the other is dipole work. The latter term is limitless and represents energy external to the electrical system entering it. **This term will be the heat conversion to electricity.** The data shown in the slides for ERA2005 13, 14 and 15 show the term acting as a stiff voltage source so the decay rate is not affected. When there is no ferrofluid in the core, the flux is just dependent, energy is constant and hence loading affects the decay rate. **So there is no doubt about it the effect occurs.** We shall do more experiments and present this more formally with full kit and materials. Discussion with supervisors and others say some might find this a little subtle and we should wait until the second experiment before submitting to mainstream journals (avoid doing a P+F and condemn it to crankdom! Extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.) On 2) We are beginning to design for this. We will aim for unequivocal cooling not some talking shop statistical analysis. On 3) A comparative easy step on from 2. Small amounts of power from heat being converted to electricity is already occurring in (1) but not enough to break even though. The other stuff on the website (propulsion and signalling) I am thinking about and will put material hopefully by the end of year. I think the third project is practically easier than the second but I am beginning to have good theoretical ideas for a mechanism based on real phenomena (not ZPE). I always work on the basis that, if a phenomenon exists follow the consequences no matter how weird. I won't discuss these projects until I have composed my thoughts into some coherent paper. They need more work. ....................................... Website http://luna.bton.ac.uk/~roc1 ....................................... Excuse me if I don't stick around, I respect your forum but find it a little too 'nerd-macho' sometimes (especially vortex) and I don't suffer the sort. Regards, Remi. 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  --------------6FCD5815BB7258A15DD1CAED-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 6 20:18:23 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j673HPob011067; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:17:31 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j673H4Hm010750; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:17:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:17:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <42D4DAC7.3560737F@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:11:35 -0700 From: Spiritual Renaissance Center Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: "CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD!"CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD! References: <20050618182920.WHIV7497.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@[166.102.165.30]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2F320F8F88B5DE4107EDC7B2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25420 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 92 --------------2F320F8F88B5DE4107EDC7B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please get this out: "CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD! --------------2F320F8F88B5DE4107EDC7B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please get this out:

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  --------------2F320F8F88B5DE4107EDC7B2-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 7 11:52:40 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j67IpXBZ011694; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:51:42 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j67IpTXQ011645; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:51:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:51:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Howard Malone" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: "CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD!"CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD! Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:51:12 -0500 Organization: Economy Hearing Aid Centers of Oklahoma Message-ID: <000601c58324$d8eab950$6401a8c0@BrokenArrowEHAC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C582FA.F014B150" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42BFB795.FAD20CFF@earthlink.net> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on mail3.valornet.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=15.0 tests=AWL,HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <8XKtIC.A.v1C.vmXzCB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25421 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 93 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C582FA.F014B150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would you please tell me what this is before I open it? -----Original Message----- From: Spiritual Renaissance Center [mailto:spiritualrc@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:24 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: "CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD!"CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD! Please get this out: "CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD! ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C582FA.F014B150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C582FA.F014B150-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 7 15:17:06 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j67MGTPo014072; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:16:34 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j67MGQS6014039; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:16:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:16:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:16:07 +1200 From: Darryl Ward Subject: Re: [FG]: "CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD!"CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <004b01c58341$78d2c900$c910f6d2@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-42CDA9A71833=======" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000601c58324$d8eab950$6401a8c0@BrokenArrowEHAC> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25422 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 94 --=======AVGMAIL-42CDA9A71833======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C583A6.0DE8FD70" ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C583A6.0DE8FD70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a look - it is some weird conspiracy theory. Darryl www.dward.tk=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Howard Malone=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:51 AM Subject: RE: [FG]: "CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN = WORLD!"CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD! Would you please tell me what this is before I open it? =20 -----Original Message----- From: Spiritual Renaissance Center [mailto:spiritualrc@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:24 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: "CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN = WORLD!"CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD! =20 Please get this out:=20 "CODEX" THREATENS THE ENTIRE NATURAL SOVEREIGN WORLD!=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: = 06/07/2005 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C583A6.0DE8FD70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 06/07/2005 --=======AVGMAIL-42CDA9A71833=======-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 20 07:02:39 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KE2PNM011759; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:02:30 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6KE27ZK011654; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:02:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:02:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:01:50 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j6KE1wff011572 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25423 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: E-mail Identity Theft Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 95 To all concerned: On or after the middle of March, 2005 someone hacked into my email accout at Yahoo and changed my password and the basic account information, such as my zip code. This has completely locked me out of my prior email server, but perhaps not the hacker. Therefore, please be advised to disregard any and all messages from my name at yahoo.com after that time. Also, if anyone has sent me a message since that time, please resubmit it to me at jerryvolland@inbox.com. My attempts to contact Yahoo in an effort to resolve this situation have been completely ignored on their end. Of course, this doesn't mean that my "natural sovereignty" has been threatened, as a member of the native species which has been given dominion over the Earth - it just means that the bunch at Yahoo are a bunch of Yayhoos. JV hominid sapiens From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 20 07:04:30 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KE3esf012496; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:03:45 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6KE3cFR012460; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:03:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:03:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:03:21 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j6KE3RNr012330 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25424 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 96 Hi, everyone. When the energy saving frourescent light bulbs came out, I decided to try them, especially since the 99 cent store had them for two for a dollar. Being an electrician, it was an easy matter to rig up a socket on the end of an extension cord so I could hang the light whereever I wanted it, which worked fine untill it was accidentally broken. At that time, curriosity got the best of me and I dediced to open the base and see what kind of ballast the bulbs use. To my surprise, I found a complex electronic circuit which looks like it incorporates pulse forming techniques with 180 degree phased outputs. Subsequent investigation has shown that different brands use different circuits, some of which are quite complex. At any rate, for a dollar, the bulb can be discarded in favor of using the circuit(s) for other experimental applications. One thing I've noticed is that when I jiggle the extension cord's plug in the sloppy recept on the old drop light while I'm plugging the flourescent bulb in, the contact will arc, sending a red spark out about 5/16" with a tiny red ball on the end. The fact that the spark goes a certain distance and stops indicates a longitudinal effect, especially since the length of the spark is far greater than that which would be produced at the 120 Volts AC. This effect is completely and consistently reproducible as long as there is enough slop in the recept to allow some overlap with the plug before jiggling makes and breaks contact. (This reminds me that someone said that the Tunguska event could also have been a free energy effect caused by three ball lightnings coming together, although he didn't mention anything about the required angles or varying sizes.) Using the bulb itself with an interruptor, it should be possible to send the ready made scalar energy through an additional series component. JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 20 07:14:15 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KEDqqA019050; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:13:57 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6KEDnb5019021; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:13:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:13:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:13:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: E-mail Identity Theft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25425 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 97 On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Jerry Volland wrote: > > My attempts to contact Yahoo in an effort to resolve this situation have > been completely ignored on their end. Of course, this doesn't mean that my > "natural sovereignty" has been threatened, as a member of the native species > which has been given dominion over the Earth - it just means that the bunch > at Yahoo are a bunch of Yayhoos. > At least they're not Houyhnhnms! :-) Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 20 10:35:45 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KHZ1kN022604; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:35:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6KHYwAd022569; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:34:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:34:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050720173443.2147.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:34:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25426 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 98 Hi Jerry: Here is a little info on the case and purpose of the circuit. Gas tubes run on current. To provide current within the operational limits of the tube one must limit the current. A gas tube when allowed to draw as much current as it wants will simply draw more and more until it blows your fuses or blows up. (which ever comes first) This limiting is usually done with a bridge suspended limiting circuit (high speed switcher) connected in series with the gas tube. (this takes place of the series inductor in a conventional gas lamp) After ensuring that your tube will not blow up, you still have to start it. This is typically done by applying a "start boost" to the tube, In a conventional florescent tube a filament is used to avail the gas before the run current is applied (thus shorting the initial arc distance). With a compact bulb a boost voltage will be applied to the tube to kick start the lamp (usually about 700V) There are many different methods of applying the start boost. The start boost explains the extended complexity of the system. --- Jerry Volland wrote: > Hi, everyone. > > When the energy saving frourescent light bulbs came out, I decided to > try > them, especially since the 99 cent store had them for two for a dollar. > Being an electrician, it was an easy matter to rig up a socket on the > end of > an extension cord so I could hang the light whereever I wanted it, > which > worked fine untill it was accidentally broken. At that time, > curriosity got > the best of me and I dediced to open the base and see what kind of > ballast > the bulbs use. To my surprise, I found a complex electronic circuit > which > looks like it incorporates pulse forming techniques with 180 degree > phased > outputs. Subsequent investigation has shown that different brands use > different circuits, some of which are quite complex. > > At any rate, for a dollar, the bulb can be discarded in favor of using > the > circuit(s) for other experimental applications. One thing I've noticed > is > that when I jiggle the extension cord's plug in the sloppy recept on > the old > drop light while I'm plugging the flourescent bulb in, the contact will > arc, > sending a red spark out about 5/16" with a tiny red ball on the end. > The > fact that the spark goes a certain distance and stops indicates a > longitudinal effect, especially since the length of the spark is far > greater > than that which would be produced at the 120 Volts AC. This effect is > completely and consistently reproducible as long as there is enough > slop in > the recept to allow some overlap with the plug before jiggling makes > and > breaks contact. (This reminds me that someone said that the Tunguska > event > could also have been a free energy effect caused by three ball > lightnings > coming together, although he didn't mention anything about the required > angles or varying sizes.) > > Using the bulb itself with an interruptor, it should be possible to > send the > ready made scalar energy through an additional series component. > > JV > > Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 20 12:09:04 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KJ8aTA003980; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:08:41 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6KJ8YI3003947; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:08:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:08:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:08:10 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <20050720173443.2147.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j6KJ8QiW003818 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25427 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 99 Hi, Charlie. Thanks for the additional info. I'm wondering if this higher voltage would also appear at the line voltage input? And, since the variable capacitance of the plug in the sloppy recept projects the longitudinal spark with the little ball, do you think the circuit could be scaled up with bigger caps and a much lower frequency to produce a larger BL? As it is, it looks like something out of Star Trek Voyager, in which two of the little red balls are accelerated to collide at a 90 degree angle, sending the composite energy out a much greater distance than the usual near field distance limitation associated with longitudinal effects. Regards, Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: cjford1@swbell.net > Sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:34:43 -0700 (PDT) > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb > > Hi Jerry: > > Here is a little info on the case and purpose of the circuit. > > Gas tubes run on current. To provide current within the operational > limits of the tube one must limit the current. A gas tube when allowed to > draw as much current as it wants will simply draw more and more until it > blows your fuses or blows up. (which ever comes first) This limiting is > usually done with a bridge suspended limiting circuit (high speed > switcher) connected in series with the gas tube. (this takes place of > the series inductor in a conventional gas lamp) > > After ensuring that your tube will not blow up, you still have to start > it. This is typically done by applying a "start boost" to the tube, In > a conventional florescent tube a filament is used to avail the gas before > the run current is applied (thus shorting the initial arc distance). > With a compact bulb a boost voltage will be applied to the tube to kick > start the lamp (usually about 700V) There are many different methods of > applying the start boost. > > The start boost explains the extended complexity of the system. > > > > --- Jerry Volland wrote: > > > Hi, everyone. > > > > When the energy saving frourescent light bulbs came out, I decided to > > try > > them, especially since the 99 cent store had them for two for a dollar. > > Being an electrician, it was an easy matter to rig up a socket on the > > end of > > an extension cord so I could hang the light whereever I wanted it, > > which > > worked fine untill it was accidentally broken. At that time, > > curriosity got > > the best of me and I dediced to open the base and see what kind of > > ballast > > the bulbs use. To my surprise, I found a complex electronic circuit > > which > > looks like it incorporates pulse forming techniques with 180 degree > > phased > > outputs. Subsequent investigation has shown that different brands use > > different circuits, some of which are quite complex. > > > > At any rate, for a dollar, the bulb can be discarded in favor of using > > the > > circuit(s) for other experimental applications. One thing I've noticed > > is > > that when I jiggle the extension cord's plug in the sloppy recept on > > the old > > drop light while I'm plugging the flourescent bulb in, the contact will > > arc, > > sending a red spark out about 5/16" with a tiny red ball on the end. > > The > > fact that the spark goes a certain distance and stops indicates a > > longitudinal effect, especially since the length of the spark is far > > greater > > than that which would be produced at the 120 Volts AC. This effect is > > completely and consistently reproducible as long as there is enough > > slop in > > the recept to allow some overlap with the plug before jiggling makes > > and > > breaks contact. (This reminds me that someone said that the Tunguska > > event > > could also have been a free energy effect caused by three ball > > lightnings > > coming together, although he didn't mention anything about the required > > angles or varying sizes.) > > > > Using the bulb itself with an interruptor, it should be possible to > > send the > > ready made scalar energy through an additional series component. > > > > JV > > > > > > > Charles Ford > KC5-OWZ > cjford1@yahoo.com > cjford1@swbell.net > > To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply > include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I > have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 20 14:43:31 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KLgvGY003396; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:43:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6KLgrjE003376; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:42:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:42:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050720214234.46208.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:42:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25428 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 100 --- Jerry Volland wrote: > Hi, Charlie. > > Thanks for the additional info. I'm wondering if this higher voltage > would > also appear at the line voltage input? This would be downstreem only (on the bulb side) However; I have seen some real crap designs out ther. You might also be able to see a surge current at the line side durring the start cycle. Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 21 06:06:32 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LD5do4010504; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:05:55 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6LD5alv010452; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:05:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:05:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Mark Jordan" Organization: attached To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:04:51 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb Message-ID: <42DF7343.31583.504B74E@mark.cpovo.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20050720214234.46208.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.30 public beta 1) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Authenticated-Sender: enki@cpovo.net X-Spam-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:11:25 -0300 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on 192.168.7.108 does not match 200.203.35.123 X-MDRemoteIP: 200.203.35.123 X-Return-Path: mark@cpovo.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-MDAV-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:11:29 -0300 Resent-Message-ID: <0BTMQB.A.PjC.f253CB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25429 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 101 I have some 40W fluorescent lamps with broken filaments. Is there some circuit to start and use these lamps? Thanks. Mark Jordan PY3SS On 20 Jul 2005 at 14:42, Charles Ford wrote: > > > --- Jerry Volland wrote: > > > Hi, Charlie. > > > > Thanks for the additional info. I'm wondering if this higher voltage > > would > > also appear at the line voltage input? > > This would be downstreem only (on the bulb side) However; I have seen > some real crap designs out ther. You might also be able to see a surge > current at the line side durring the start cycle. > > > > Charles Ford > KC5-OWZ > cjford1@yahoo.com > cjford1@swbell.net > > To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my > ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 21 10:17:34 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LHGqA9016296; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:17:11 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6LHGnuQ016259; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:16:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:16:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050721171548.76307.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <42DF7343.31583.504B74E@mark.cpovo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25430 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 102 Florescent tubes use a hot cathode. You may be able to start the lamp by shocking it with a barbaque grill starter. They may run after they are started but will stop the moment power is interupted and will require starting again. Alas the smoothe and easy use is gone forever. I have noticed that the Chinese 20000 mcd UltraWhite LEDs are avaliable at close to $0.80 ea. --- Mark Jordan wrote: > > I have some 40W fluorescent lamps with broken filaments. Is there > some circuit to start and use these lamps? > > Thanks. > Mark Jordan > PY3SS > > > On 20 Jul 2005 at 14:42, Charles Ford wrote: > > > > > > > --- Jerry Volland wrote: > > > > > Hi, Charlie. > > > > > > Thanks for the additional info. I'm wondering if this higher > voltage > > > would > > > also appear at the line voltage input? > > > > This would be downstreem only (on the bulb side) However; I have seen > > some real crap designs out ther. You might also be able to see a > surge > > current at the line side durring the start cycle. > > > > > > > > Charles Ford > > KC5-OWZ > > cjford1@yahoo.com > > cjford1@swbell.net > > > > To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply > include my > > ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a > filter set. > > > > > > > > Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 21 11:11:08 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LIALV5009344; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:10:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6LIAJ5O009311; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:10:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:10:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20050721180956.46508.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: E-mail Identity Theft To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25431 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 103 Hmmm... Has anybody EVER talked to someone at YaHoO ?? Ya-know... I mean an actual member of the native species ?? Working at YaHoO? --- Zack Widup wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Jerry Volland wrote: > > > > > My attempts to contact Yahoo in an effort to resolve this situation > have > > been completely ignored on their end. Of course, this doesn't mean > that my > > "natural sovereignty" has been threatened, as a member of the native > species > > which has been given dominion over the Earth - it just means that the > bunch > > at Yahoo are a bunch of Yayhoos. > > > > At least they're not Houyhnhnms! :-) > > Zack > > Charles Ford KC5-OWZ cjford1@yahoo.com cjford1@swbell.net To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 21 14:33:29 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LLWRWV010717; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:32:43 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6LLWFfL010592; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:32:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:32:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:31:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <42DF7343.31583.504B74E@mark.cpovo.net> References: <20050720214234.46208.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j6LLVf3Z010244 Resent-Message-ID: <6ESpB.A.9kC.cRB4CB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25432 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 104 Hi, Mark. You might also be interested in knowing about the Imris' circuit (patent no.3,781,601). : An optical generator of an electrostatic field at light frequencies for use in an electrical circuit, said generator having a pair of spaced apart electrodes in a gas-filled tube of quartz glass or similar material with at least one condenser cap or plate adjacent one :electrode and a dielectric-filled container enclosing the tube, the generator substantially increasing the electrical efficiency of the electrical circuit. . . . : an optical electrostatic generator which is effective for producing high frequencies in the visible light range of about 10^14 to 10^23 Hz. . . . : the present optical electrostatic generator does not perform in accordance with the accepted norms and standards of ordinary electromagnetic frequencies. . . . : The device can be used in a flourescent lighting circuit, with motors, flash lamps, high speed controls, laser beams, high energy pulses, electrostatic particle precipitation, chemical synthesis (such as ozone generation), and charging means for high voltage generators of the VandeGraph type, as well as particle accelerators. . . . : The device removes the component of electricity which produces heat. For flourescent lighting, Imris shorted the pins on the ends of the tubes, indicating that the filaments are not used, or necessary. At higher pressures, the device becomes Over Unity. For instance, with a Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100 40 Watt flouresent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp), the optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt (at 5 Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total for the circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input. As far as the compact flourescents - what I call the Scalar light bulb - I know someone who is using the circuits to power normal flourescent lamps, so you might try one of the circuits with a burned out tube. If the voltage pulse it puts out can jump the break in your filament, it might still work. If not, try reversing the tube, on the chance that only one filament is bad, in case the two outputs of the circuit are different. If all else fails, try putting an interruptor in the AC line going to the circuit. Regards, Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: mark@cpovo.net > Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:04:51 -0300 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb > > > I have some 40W fluorescent lamps with broken filaments. Is there > some circuit to start and use these lamps? > > Thanks. > Mark Jordan > PY3SS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 21 14:34:30 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LLXaMU011470; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:33:51 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6LLXR5c011346; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:33:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:33:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:32:54 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: E-mail Identity Theft To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <20050721180956.46508.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j6LLX21u011085 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25433 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 105 Good point! - JV > -----Original Message----- > From: cjford1@swbell.net > Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:09:56 -0700 (PDT) > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: E-mail Identity Theft > > Hmmm... Has anybody EVER talked to someone at YaHoO ?? > Ya-know... I mean an actual member of the native species ?? > Working at YaHoO? > > > > --- Zack Widup wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Jerry Volland wrote: > > > > > > > > My attempts to contact Yahoo in an effort to resolve this situation > > have > > > been completely ignored on their end. Of course, this doesn't mean > > that my > > > "natural sovereignty" has been threatened, as a member of the native > > species > > > which has been given dominion over the Earth - it just means that the > > bunch > > > at Yahoo are a bunch of Yayhoos. > > > > > > > At least they're not Houyhnhnms! :-) > > > > Zack > > > > > > > Charles Ford > KC5-OWZ > cjford1@yahoo.com > cjford1@swbell.net > > To be absolutely sure you make it past the "SpamGuard" you can simply > include my ham-radio callsign (above) somewhere in the message body. I > have a filter set. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 22 05:50:41 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MCnq1H005932; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:50:12 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6MCnojw005915; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:49:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:49:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Mark Jordan" Organization: attached To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:49:09 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Light Bulb Message-ID: <42E0C115.32114.A1CD1F8@mark.cpovo.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <42DF7343.31583.504B74E@mark.cpovo.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.30 public beta 1) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Authenticated-Sender: enki@cpovo.net X-Spam-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:55:53 -0300 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on 192.168.7.108 does not match 200.203.35.123 X-MDRemoteIP: 200.203.35.123 X-Return-Path: mark@cpovo.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-MDAV-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:55:57 -0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25434 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 106 On 21 Jul 2005 at 13:31, Jerry Volland wrote: > You might also be interested in knowing about the Imris' circuit (patent > no.3,781,601). That is a very interesting patent! Thanks. > As far as the compact flourescents - what I call the Scalar light bulb - I > know someone who is using the circuits to power normal flourescent lamps, so you > might try one of the circuits with a burned out tube. If the voltage pulse it > puts out can jump the break in your filament, it might still work. If not, try > reversing the tube, on the chance that only one filament is bad, in case the two > outputs of the circuit are different. If all else fails, try putting an > interruptor in the AC line going to the circuit. I did some homework and found these links: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/jshidbal.htm http://www.discovercircuits.com/F/fluor-lamp.htm http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/40wflamp.htm http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/flampdrv.htm Now is the time to get the good old Weller... Mark Jordan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 22 06:50:01 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MDn7uB006894; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:49:23 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6MDn6w2006882; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:49:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:49:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Mark Jordan" Organization: attached To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:48:28 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [FG]:Imris Patent Message-ID: <42E0CEFC.31799.A531FB9@mark.cpovo.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <42DF7343.31583.504B74E@mark.cpovo.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.30 public beta 1) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Authenticated-Sender: enki@cpovo.net X-Spam-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:54:56 -0300 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on 192.168.7.108 does not match 200.203.35.123 X-MDRemoteIP: 200.203.35.123 X-Return-Path: mark@cpovo.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-MDAV-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:55:00 -0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25435 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 107 On 21 Jul 2005 at 13:31, Jerry Volland wrote: > Hi, Mark. > > You might also be interested in knowing about the Imris' circuit (patent > no.3,781,601). [...] > At higher pressures, the device becomes Over Unity. For instance, with a > Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100 40 Watt > flouresent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp), the > optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt (at 5 > Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total for the > circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input. The example given in the patent description is VERY similar to one of those 8W fluorescent tubes! And the construction is very simple. I'm looking to one 8W tube laying on my desk for months... Have to wrap some aluminiun foil on it an do some experiments. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 22 08:30:11 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MFThBT023949; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:29:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6MFTP1q023855; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:29:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:29:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:28:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]:Imris Patent To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <42E0CEFC.31799.A531FB9@mark.cpovo.net> References: <42df7343.31583.504b74e@mark.cpovo.net> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j6MFT7WB023667 Resent-Message-ID: <61Sx7D.A.p0F.VDR4CB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25436 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 108 Hey Mark! I'm glad you found a really easy approach right off. A large brake fluid can should work for the outter cylinder, but I don't know how well the brake fluid would work for the dielectric - you might have to use mineral oil. As I understand it, it has to have the dielectric or it won't work. Also, for the highest frequencies, it's essential to use triangular foil tubes, but it will still generate longitudinal signals with foil bands. The frequency can be as low as you want, depending upon the resonance of a tank circuit you hook to it. P,S.: Thanks for the other tube links. Regards, Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: mark@cpovo.net > Sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:48:28 -0300 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]:Imris Patent > > The example given in the patent description is VERY similar to one > of those 8W fluorescent tubes! And the construction is very simple. > > I'm looking to one 8W tube laying on my desk for months... > Have to wrap some aluminiun foil on it an do some experiments. > > Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 22 09:07:23 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MG6gmf013302; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:06:57 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6MG6ejS013279; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:06:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:06:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 From: "Howard Malone" To: Subject: RE: [FG]:Imris Patent Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:06:12 -0500 Organization: Economy Hearing Aid Centers of Oklahoma Message-ID: <000501c58ed7$47f21f10$6401a8c0@BrokenArrowEHAC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25437 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 109 Since I'm getting these postings at my office, I thought I would give my input. I subscribe to the Pure Energy Systems discussion groups and am an experimenter myself. What is this project you're working on? Incidentally, brake fluid is nothing more than mineral oil with coloring in it. Howard -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@inbox.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:29 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]:Imris Patent Hey Mark! I'm glad you found a really easy approach right off. A large brake fluid can should work for the outter cylinder, but I don't know how well the brake fluid would work for the dielectric - you might have to use mineral oil. As I understand it, it has to have the dielectric or it won't work. Also, for the highest frequencies, it's essential to use triangular foil tubes, but it will still generate longitudinal signals with foil bands. The frequency can be as low as you want, depending upon the resonance of a tank circuit you hook to it. P,S.: Thanks for the other tube links. Regards, Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: mark@cpovo.net > Sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:48:28 -0300 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]:Imris Patent > > The example given in the patent description is VERY similar to one > of those 8W fluorescent tubes! And the construction is very simple. > > I'm looking to one 8W tube laying on my desk for months... > Have to wrap some aluminiun foil on it an do some experiments. > > Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 22 13:02:02 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MK1BpO016382; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:01:26 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6MK18Cb016337; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:01:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:01:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Mark Jordan" Organization: attached To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:00:28 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [FG]:Imris Patent Message-ID: <42E1262C.12690.6CFC8B@mark.cpovo.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000501c58ed7$47f21f10$6401a8c0@BrokenArrowEHAC> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.30 public beta 1) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Authenticated-Sender: enki@cpovo.net X-Spam-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:07:14 -0300 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on 192.168.7.108 does not match 200.203.35.123 X-MDRemoteIP: 200.203.35.123 X-Return-Path: mark@cpovo.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-MDAV-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:07:17 -0300 Resent-Message-ID: <2d5_gD.A.D_D.CCV4CB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25438 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 110 We are talking about the Pavel Imris patent: http://tinyurl.com/9fc9f On 22 Jul 2005 at 11:06, Howard Malone wrote: > Since I'm getting these postings at my office, I thought I would give my > input. I subscribe to the Pure Energy Systems discussion groups and am > an experimenter myself. What is this project you're working on? > Incidentally, brake fluid is nothing more than mineral oil with coloring > in it. > > Howard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@inbox.com] > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:29 AM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]:Imris Patent > > Hey Mark! > > I'm glad you found a really easy approach right off. > > A large brake fluid can should work for the outter cylinder, but I don't > know how well the brake fluid would work for the dielectric - you might > have > to use mineral oil. As I understand it, it has to have the dielectric > or it > won't work. Also, for the highest frequencies, it's essential to use > triangular foil tubes, but it will still generate longitudinal signals > with > foil bands. The frequency can be as low as you want, depending upon the > resonance of a tank circuit you hook to it. > > P,S.: Thanks for the other tube links. > > Regards, > > Jerry > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mark@cpovo.net > > Sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:48:28 -0300 > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]:Imris Patent > > > > > The example given in the patent description is VERY similar to > one > > of those 8W fluorescent tubes! And the construction is very simple. > > > > I'm looking to one 8W tube laying on my desk for months... > > Have to wrap some aluminiun foil on it an do some experiments. > > > > Mark > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 23 07:57:54 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6NEvJvJ019017; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:57:34 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6NEvGgf018935; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:57:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:57:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:56:38 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j6NEuoEL018544 Resent-Message-ID: <_8PJGC.A.VnE.Krl4CB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25439 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Generator Background Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 111 Generator Background It's long been recognized that ever since Nicola Tesla did most of his demonstrations and T.T. Brown made some discoveries that longitudinal energy has properties and effects that are important in some areas. So it's only natural for us to find out around 1930 that a high voltage mercury arc produces longitudinal energy, without the big rf resonance coils, as long as the pool of mercury is in the bottom of a closed metal can. (Which is grounded.) The spark electrode is closer to one side of the can, allowing all frequencies to reverberate and be detected. The radiant energy which goes through the metal of the can is difracted and always turns perpendicular to the surface. This produces a mandala pattern with a gradient of its own, surrounding 1/2 of the can's perrimeter. But the mercury spark generator is only about one percent efficient, so Pavel Imris eventually figured out how to make a longitudinal generator which is overly efficient, and it is good. (It wasn't until after he managed to move to this country that he was able to develope it.) It's almost certain that the tube's operation also converts dark field energy, to the extent that the dark field is present, into output power. The dark field is produced when radiant energy collides head on with normal light, which usually happens above a surface, with the radiant energy photons flinging through the surface. The whole secret is that his tube converts the transformer's power into Cold Electricity. He started off with a mercury vapor bulb for yardlights - without the quartz tube's outer glass bulb component. I've seen tubes pressurized at 5,000 and the quartz glass tube is 3/8 inch thick And heavy. Lightbulbs Unlimited in San Diego sells EVERY bulb and if they don't have it, they'll get it. It'd probablly be at least around the $200 to $700 range for a six inch tube. The nice thing about breaking out of the symetry of unity of a wavelength which is 1/4 wave thick is that the longer flourescent tube can produce traveling energy wave bands, at some frequencies, giving us the chance to produce Chernetski's Self Generating Discharge and the PlasmaTron's unlimited Specific Impulse. JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 25 21:33:51 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q4XHCc003182; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:33:33 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j6Q4XD5D003145; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:33:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:33:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:32:39 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j6Q4Wqn6002905 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25440 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Radioactive Diode Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 112 Does anyone have any specs or other information about the 1N29B diode made by Sylvania? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 1 20:45:37 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j723j6Au007188; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:45:21 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j723iw5p007135; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:44:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:44:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:44:26 -0800 Message-ID: <4E88F65BD26.00000282jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]:Imris Patent To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <42E0CEFC.31799.A531FB9@mark.cpovo.net> References: <42df7343.31583.504b74e@mark.cpovo.net> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id j723ibFe006938 Resent-Message-ID: <2OQqXC.A.ZvB.6wu7CB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25441 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 113 Hi, Mark. Your 8 Watt tube idea seems like a good place to start with your Imris circuit. Once you get the cup capacitors attatched, put a sandwich bag around it for the dielectric and center it in a beer can. The cup capacitors only have to connect to one pin on each end. To wire it up, place the little frourescent tube in its normal circuit, but also extend an additional wire on each end, from the pins that the cups are fastened to. These extra wires are connected to 10 or 12 nine Volt batteries plugged together in series, and these batteries can also be in series with a 40 Watt tube, for testing, or the batteries can be in series with some other device or component. The Hiddink patent (#4,096,162) shows the basic capacity changer circuit to use for charging a Van de Graff type ball electrode. If you're going to switch the battery circuit, connect the positive to one end of your 8 Watt tube and connect the battery's negative lead to an inductance such as one coil in a small transformer, with the other end of the inductance going to the switch. Then connect the interruptor switch's output to the other wire at that end of your tube. The 40 Watt tube will then go in this last part of the series circuit, with the switch and the small coil. http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/m17742 This is the basic circuit as I understand it, without having done the charging test. Let me know what you think about it, or at least what you come up with in your experiments or ideas. Regards, Jerry http://www.geocities.com/stationarydeck > -----Original Message----- > From: mark@cpovo.net > Sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:48:28 -0300 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]:Imris Patent > > On 21 Jul 2005 at 13:31, Jerry Volland wrote: > > > Hi, Mark. > > > > You might also be interested in knowing about the Imris' circuit > (patent > > no.3,781,601). > > [...] > > > At higher pressures, the device becomes Over Unity. For instance, with > a > > Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100 40 Watt > > flouresent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp), > the > > optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt > (at 5 > > Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total > for the > > circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input. > > The example given in the patent description is VERY similar to one > of those 8W fluorescent tubes! And the construction is very simple. > > I'm looking to one 8W tube laying on my desk for months... > Have to wrap some aluminiun foil on it an do some experiments. > > Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 26 09:54:32 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j8QGrtLs006102; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:54:10 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j8QGrlmd005920; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:53:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:53:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.90] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "ali azizi" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: New Machine(Mashan) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:53:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2005 16:53:24.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF720970:01C5C2BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25442 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 114 >From: "ali azizi" >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: [FG]: New Machine(Mashan) >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:40:16 +0000 > >IN THE NAME OF GOD > >Mashan`s Machine is based on earth gravity. >We should neutralize the earth gravity at the half of cylinder. >It makes a torque around the center of cylinder and causes the generation >of >energy and motion. > >The mass of cylinder is m: > > > Effective mass at rotation is m/2: > > > > >M= mr G 2/3 > F =G m/2 > > > >Rotary speed of Cylinder: > > W= > Power of rotary motion: > > P=2/3 mr G > > > > These equations are just some part of equations of >dynamic no magnetic. > Magnetic field isn"t use in this system and the whole >force are natural. > > > > > > > >With best regard >A. 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 26 13:11:29 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j8QKAnsV021569; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:11:04 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j8QKAlZn021502; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:10:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:10:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k2tROBzC7UU0JoXtfb/hbaaPHPfIWp89T+zhzA+3/d07FPIV9MMUnwCXWRCrOdgXhAD/Z5eG7Qt9U2TmexqBiBcNp7/ioFNAIqNfgl/GoAmijnXXSAGmt7u3SkRQIMcXXwq3VDJm+1W6vtTUZ2BwNdhTWuGxgAro+z/W70g0hHs= ; Message-ID: <20050926201005.53153.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ford Subject: RE: [FG]: New Machine(Mashan) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6q9I3B.A.qPF.GXFODB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25443 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 115 Could you give us an example of the machiene? A like, or drawing or something? Gravity and gravity shielding does not free energy make. --- ali azizi wrote: > > > > >From: "ali azizi" > >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >Subject: [FG]: New Machine(Mashan) > >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:40:16 +0000 > > > >IN THE NAME OF GOD > > > >Mashan`s Machine is based on earth gravity. > >We should neutralize the earth gravity at the half of cylinder. > >It makes a torque around the center of cylinder and causes the > generation > >of > >energy and motion. > > > >The mass of cylinder is m: > > > > > > Effective mass at rotation is m/2: > > > > > > > > > >M= mr G 2/3 > > F =G m/2 > > > > > > > >Rotary speed of Cylinder: > > > > W= > > Power of rotary motion: > > > > P=2/3 mr G > > > > > > > > These equations are just some part of equations of > >dynamic no magnetic. > > Magnetic field isn"t use in this system and the > whole > >force are natural. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With best regard > >A. 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 5 07:14:31 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5FDk7q027474; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:13:56 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jB5FDUWj027205; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:13:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:13:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.82] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com From: "ali azizi" To: billb@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2005 15:12:51.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C4D6950:01C5F9AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25444 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 116 To whom it my concern ! I recived your Email . I appreciare for your message that it was my Email erspons . I would like to underline some notices : - the machine that I have invented is "Mashan" . That is the kind of "preptum - mobil" set . - this machine has input output ports . - its central section , could be controlled and used for useful act , and convertto kind of preptum energy . - I can show "mashan" to you , with suitable conditions ; you can see its ualities and properties , and specialities . - I woud Like to cooperate you on suitable conditions That’s main is - If "mashan" would be effectived , you help me for Domaining and invert institutioning , in any international institutions and protection of adventages and monetary agreement by the way , I appreciate all of my friends that Email me amony this age , and then I apologize of then because it isn't possible Email to all . Best regard A . 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 5 07:17:08 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5FGGC6029536; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:16:25 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jB5FG66x029402; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:16:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:16:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.82] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com From: "ali azizi" To: billb@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:15:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2005 15:15:27.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8DBB780:01C5F9AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25445 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 117 Dear carol hi im azizi , im sick in last month beacuse of i dont answer your email. im working on subject that if we mixe it whit magnetic ,it is suitable for turbo fan motors . i hope u help me. (i dont write english very well ,excuse me) whit best regard azizi _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 5 07:18:11 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5FHOvV030576; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:17:33 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jB5FGoJF029915; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:16:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:16:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.82] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com From: "ali azizi" To: billb@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:16:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2005 15:16:13.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[D47FD3E0:01C5F9AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25446 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 118 IN THE NAME OF GOD Mashan`s Machine is based on earth gravity. We should neutralize the earth gravity at the half of cylinder. It makes a torque around the center of cylinder and causes the generation of energy and motion. The mass of cylinder is m: Effective mass at rotation is m/2: M= mr G 2/3 F =G m/2 Rotary speed of Cylinder: W= Power of rotary motion: P=2/3 mr G These equations are just some part of equations of dynamic no magnetic. Magnetic field isn"t use in this system and the whole force are natural. With best regard A. AZIZI _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 5 07:19:42 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5FIuuv031756; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:19:12 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jB5FIc0H031437; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:18:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:18:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.82] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com From: "ali azizi" To: billb@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:17:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2005 15:17:50.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E447E50:01C5F9AF] Resent-Message-ID: <29HyBC.A.xqH.MpFlDB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25447 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 119 Hello Ali, I'm building a machine myself. I am very interested to know more about your machine and how I could help you. Please, show me "Mashan". Thanks. -- Best regards, patrick _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 23 04:36:04 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNCZhG7004219; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:35:49 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBNCZfl4004198; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:35:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:35:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Bernardo?= To: Subject: RE: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:36:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcYHvY37p+EKGCWJRD2wFRnRhoVH2w== In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20051223131100.846285B765@amaya2.lis.interhost.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20021227-p2 (Debian) at InterHost mail service Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id jBNCZWb8004157 Resent-Message-ID: <6e3GtD.A.eBB.c8-qDB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25448 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 120 Hi! I guess this *new* machine was already very well documented a long time ago ;-) There is an article named "How to extract energy directly from a gravitational field" from Fran de Aquino that used to be on his website: http://users.elo.com.br/~deaquino/ The article is not there anymore, but you can still find a lot a information about it in Google... http://www.google.pt/search?hl=pt-PT&q=%22How+to+extract+energy+directly+fro m+a+gravitational+field%22 -- Sérgio Bernardo -----Mensagem original----- De: ali azizi [mailto:gh_azizi@hotmail.com] Enviada: segunda-feira, 5 de Dezembro de 2005 15:16 Para: billb@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Assunto: [FG]: new machine (mashan) IN THE NAME OF GOD Mashan`s Machine is based on earth gravity. We should neutralize the earth gravity at the half of cylinder. It makes a torque around the center of cylinder and causes the generation of energy and motion. The mass of cylinder is m: Effective mass at rotation is m/2: M= mr G 2/3 F =G m/2 Rotary speed of Cylinder: W= Power of rotary motion: P=2/3 mr G These equations are just some part of equations of dynamic no magnetic. Magnetic field isn"t use in this system and the whole force are natural. With best regard A. AZIZI _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23-12-2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23-12-2005 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 28 09:08:50 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSH8Qd0015324; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:08:32 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBSH8NI5015297; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:08:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:08:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.83.23] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C60BD9.B0607CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2005 17:08:14.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[49D90E70:01C60BD1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25449 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 121 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C60BD9.B0607CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me = with my problem. I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about = alternative energy sources like zpe. One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His = theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar = waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this = theory contains.=20 But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create = these scalar waves ? i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.=20 Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are = they ? Thank you, Best Regards, Alexander C. Gal ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C60BD9.B0607CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you are, but = I assume=20 that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in = physics/mathematics and=20 reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like = zpe.
One day I found some articles about a = guy called=20 Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. = Especially=20 these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological = possibilities which=20 this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't = understand=20 completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like = "tesla-shield"=20 device.
Caduceus coils are not able to create = such field=20 configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C.=20 Gal
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C60BD9.B0607CC0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 28 12:57:49 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSKvSVZ023949; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:57:33 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBSKvLor023910; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:57:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:57:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.143.142.189] X-Originating-Email: [medinuclear@hotmail.com] X-Sender: medinuclear@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Philip Benjamin" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:57:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2005 20:57:08.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[440B6860:01C60BF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25450 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 122

Hi, Alex:

Good question, but I regret I cannot help you. I am interested in dark matter, but not necessarily dark energy. Thanks for your letter. Happy New Year.

I will appreciate forwarding MIND MATTER site to your friends

All rhe best

Philip 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: "Alexander C. Gal" <exan_@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To: <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:22 +0100
Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe.
One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.
Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C. Gal

From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 28 13:11:24 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSLB2tX032519; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:11:08 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBSLB0KD032463; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:11:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:11:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y2ydn6AG5zuM/thSBgzikdJXDdOru8zQq32O+WysmRpp4BT5+pNZaPmAB62bHoD+sT/4PosWhk0P3DxrTwdSNSC/wJsU3dQ18BXvjlqqGjesc+FK0jBY4dsH8Hy6WnkWGs9x3w4VQiPmGah8mOsZM/HG58n4IjfoPALZ1TMZg6U= ; Message-ID: <20051228211047.55998.qmail@web52513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Mullins Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-674677467-1135804247=:54417" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7EO_yB.A.H7H.j9vsDB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25451 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 123 --0-674677467-1135804247=:54417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Recommendation: Read all you can about Mr. Bearden, then decide for yourself if any of his theories are plausable...there is much written about him to enlighten you on his insight...good luck. Greg "Alexander C. Gal" wrote: Hello, actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem. I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe. One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains. But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ? i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ? Thank you, Best Regards, Alexander C. Gal --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-674677467-1135804247=:54417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Recommendation:  Read all you can about Mr. Bearden, then decide for yourself if any of his theories are plausable...there is much written about him to enlighten you on his insight...good luck.

Greg

"Alexander C. Gal" <exan_@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe.
One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.
Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C. Gal

Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-674677467-1135804247=:54417-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 28 13:18:53 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSLIT7n004606; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:18:34 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBSLIQ3t004572; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:18:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:18:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.83.23] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:18:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C60BFC.9CE31630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2005 21:18:15.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[374FCBE0:01C60BF4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25452 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 124 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C60BFC.9CE31630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Philip, thanks for your kind answer. I wish you a happy new year , too. Nevermind... Lets see what I can find in the web - Actually there is not = really much told about this topic...=20 well however, ... "I will appreciate forwarding MIND MATTER site to your friends." What do you mean by that ? - Oh I think I got it...=20 A lot of unknown people are writing me and helping to solve my question=20 nice - It's my first experience with a mailing-list... seems good. Thank you! Best Wishes, Alex P.S. Shall I delete the original message backups which are sent in each = email ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Philip Benjamin=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:57 PM Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation Hi, Alex: Good question, but I regret I cannot help you. I am interested in dark = matter, but not necessarily dark energy. Thanks for your letter. Happy = New Year. I will appreciate forwarding MIND MATTER site to your friends All rhe best Philip =20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: "Alexander C. Gal" Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:22 +0100 Hello, actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me = with my problem. I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot = about alternative energy sources like zpe. One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His = theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar = waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this = theory contains.=20 But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create = these scalar waves ? i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.=20 Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are = they ? Thank you, Best Regards, Alexander C. Gal ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C60BFC.9CE31630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Philip,
 
thanks for your kind answer. I wish you = a happy new=20 year , too.
 
Nevermind... Lets see what I can find = in the web -=20 Actually there is not really much told about this topic...
well however, ...
 
"I will appreciate forwarding MIND = MATTER site to=20 your friends."
What do you mean by that ?  - Oh I = think I got=20 it...
A lot of unknown people are = writing me and=20 helping to solve my question
nice - It's my first experience = with a=20 mailing-list...  seems good.
 
 
Thank you!
 
Best Wishes,
Alex
 
P.S. Shall I delete the original = message backups=20 which are sent in each email ?
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Philip=20 Benjamin
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, = 2005 9:57=20 PM
Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em = field=20 creation

Hi, Alex:

Good question, but I regret I cannot help you. I am interested in = dark=20 matter, but not necessarily dark energy. Thanks for your letter. Happy = New=20 Year.

I will appreciate forwarding MIND MATTER site to your friends

All rhe best

Philip 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: "Alexander C. Gal" <exan_@hotmail.com>
Reply-= To:=20 freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To: = <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [FG]: scalar em = field=20 creation
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:22 +0100
Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you are, = but I assume=20 that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in = physics/mathematics and=20 reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like = zpe.
One day I found some articles about = a guy=20 called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to = me.=20 Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new = technological=20 possibilities which this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't = understand=20 completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like = "tesla-shield"=20 device.
Caduceus coils are not able to = create such=20 field configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C.=20 = Gal

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Hello Greg,
> Recommendation:  Read all you can about Mr. Bearden, then = decide=20 for yourself if any of his theories are > plausable... there is much = written=20 about him to enlighten you on his insight...good luck.
 
What's your own opinion about him = ?
 
 
 
Ciao,
Alex
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Hi, Alex:

Whether you want to send the original message depends on what and whom. My letter to you is not copy righted. MInd Matter is already published. So, you are at liberty to forward it to whosoever you want. I hope MIND MATTER will elicit some conversations. 

Thanks for your letter.

All the best

Philp Benjamin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Hello Philip,
 
thanks for your kind answer. I wish you a happy new year , too.
 
Nevermind... Lets see what I can find in the web - Actually there is not really much told about this topic...
well however, ...
 
"I will appreciate forwarding MIND MATTER site to your friends."
What do you mean by that ?  - Oh I think I got it...
A lot of unknown people are writing me and helping to solve my question
nice - It's my first experience with a mailing-list...  seems good.
 
 
Thank you!
 
Best Wishes,
Alex
 
P.S. Shall I delete the original message backups which are sent in each email ?
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation

Hi, Alex:

Good question, but I regret I cannot help you. I am interested in dark matter, but not necessarily dark energy. Thanks for your letter. Happy New Year.

I will appreciate forwarding MIND MATTER site to your friends

All rhe best

Philip 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: "Alexander C. Gal" <exan_@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To: <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:22 +0100
Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe.
One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.
Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C. Gal


From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 28 16:10:02 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT09X4R019908; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:38 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBT09Vaw019893; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <68A34DFE87D0BE46AF898FFCC65CCF840435C5@caraupermb02.carrier-apac.com.au> From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:06:58 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C60C0B.C8E00B1C" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25455 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 127 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C60C0B.C8E00B1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Alexander, If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html . Im sure if you have an interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these forums. They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more. Kind Regards, John Rudiger TOTALINE Spare Parts Perth WA Ph:- 08 9232 7150 Fax:- 08 9232 7155 Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. -----Original Message----- From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation Hello, actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem. I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe. One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains. But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ? i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ? Thank you, Best Regards, Alexander C. Gal ------_=_NextPart_001_01C60C0B.C8E00B1C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Alexander,
 
If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group  -  http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these forums.
 
They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies.
 
They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more.
 
Kind Regards,
 

John Rudiger
TOTALINE Spare Parts
Perth   WA

Ph:-    08 9232 7150
Fax:-  08 9232 7155

Opportunity awaits the prepared mind.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation

Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe.
One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.
Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C. Gal
------_=_NextPart_001_01C60C0B.C8E00B1C-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 28 17:34:36 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT1YDjr022242; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:34:18 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBT1YBgp022219; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:34:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:34:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D/Rr0pzQz/nSzocQ7AgroofewcGXIloFVwfgf66Ncz6Kz9pdH80smCPY8w37KfItZluOcfLyd8qsHTkaGFzUCGHkeqI+6djQnSaoI3ZcQrkVI1umLGF8cUmYiXQKbeeM7QjvdWTmmcxVv9/M1kQBa7xNuFG5/jQSzL9QPL6upKU= ; Message-ID: <20051229013359.6919.qmail@web52509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:33:59 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Mullins Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-349231249-1135820039=:4921" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25456 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 128 --0-349231249-1135820039=:4921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alex, Of the few things I've read of his, I get this feeling of trying to be hoodwinked into just believing what he says...I admit that I haven't had the time to investigate his work, I have discovered other folks thru the web who have...and feel that same way - I want to believe, but until I do the work myself, I cannot condemn his words...which is why I offer to you to take a little time and research the man to see what you find out. Good luck! Greg "Alexander C. Gal" wrote: Hello Greg, > Recommendation: Read all you can about Mr. Bearden, then decide for yourself if any of his theories are > plausable... there is much written about him to enlighten you on his insight...good luck. What's your own opinion about him ? Ciao, Alex --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-349231249-1135820039=:4921 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Alex,

Of the few things I've read of his, I get this feeling of trying to be hoodwinked into just believing what he says...I admit that I haven't had the time to investigate his work, I have discovered other folks thru the web who have...and feel that same way - I want to believe, but until I do the work myself, I cannot condemn his words...which is why I offer to you to take a little time and research the man to see what you find out.

Good luck!
Greg

"Alexander C. Gal" <exan_@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello Greg,
> Recommendation:  Read all you can about Mr. Bearden, then decide for yourself if any of his theories are > plausable... there is much written about him to enlighten you on his insight...good luck.
 
What's your own opinion about him ?
 
 
 
Ciao,
Alex

Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-349231249-1135820039=:4921-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 29 06:03:21 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTE06ku017300; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:03:01 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBTDew3O004761; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:40:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:40:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.155.56] X-Originating-Email: [medinuclear@hotmail.com] X-Sender: medinuclear@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <68A34DFE87D0BE46AF898FFCC65CCF840435C5@caraupermb02.carrier-apac.com.au> From: "Philip Benjamin" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:40:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 13:40:40.0098 (UTC) FILETIME=[750EB020:01C60C7D] Resent-Message-ID: <8317D.A.GKB.pd-sDB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25457 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 129

Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a challenging field. Hope you find your endeavors productive. 

All the best

Philip Benjamin

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Hi Alexander,
 
If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group  -  http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these forums.
 
They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies.
 
They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more.
 
Kind Regards,
 

John Rudiger
TOTALINE Spare Parts
Perth   WA

Ph:-    08 9232 7150
Fax:-  08 9232 7155

Opportunity awaits the prepared mind.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation

Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe.
One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.
Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C. Gal

From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 29 07:55:49 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTFtQq6015066; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:55:31 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBTFtNDe015035; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:55:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:55:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.120.26] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: <68A34DFE87D0BE46AF898FFCC65CCF840435C5@caraupermb02.carrier-apac.com.au> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:55:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C60C98.A7687180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 15:55:12.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[409490E0:01C60C90] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25458 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 130 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C60C98.A7687180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello John, thanks for your information. I'll check out these groups- best regards, lex ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:06 AM Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation Hi Alexander, If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend = the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - = http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an = interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these = forums. They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a = investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the = original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L = concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days worth = of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the fray". = I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit difficult to = grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more.=20 Kind Regards, John Rudiger=20 TOTALINE Spare Parts=20 Perth WA=20 Ph:- 08 9232 7150=20 Fax:- 08 9232 7155=20 Opportunity awaits the prepared mind.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation Hello, actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me = with my problem. I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot = about alternative energy sources like zpe. One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His = theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar = waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this = theory contains.=20 But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create = these scalar waves ? i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.=20 Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are = they ? Thank you, Best Regards, Alexander C. Gal ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C60C98.A7687180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello John,
 
thanks for your information. I'll check = out these=20 groups-
 
 
best regards,
lex
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com= =20
Sent: Thursday, December 29, = 2005 1:06=20 AM
Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em = field=20 creation

Hi=20 Alexander,
 
If=20 you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend the = Beta=20 Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group  -  = http://www.eskimo.= com/~billb/weird/wvort.html.=20 Im sure if you have an interest in Scalar Waves you may have some = interesting=20 input on these forums.
 
They=20 were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a = investigates=20 the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the original = concept of=20 the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L concentrates generally = on Cold=20 Fusion and the associated technologies.
 
They=20 are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days worth of = emails to=20 get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the fray". I = personally find=20 a few of the concepts and theories a bit difficult to grasp but it = gives me=20 inspiration to learn more.
 
Kind=20 Regards,
 

John Rudiger
TOTALINE Spare=20 Parts
Perth   WA

Ph:-    08 9232 7150 =
Fax:-  08 9232 7155

Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. =

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander C. Gal = [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 29 December = 2005 1:08=20 AM
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [FG]: = scalar em=20 field creation

Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you are, = but I assume=20 that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in = physics/mathematics and=20 reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like = zpe.
One day I found some articles about = a guy=20 called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to = me.=20 Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new = technological=20 possibilities which this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't = understand=20 completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like = "tesla-shield"=20 device.
Caduceus coils are not able to = create such=20 field configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C.=20 Gal
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C60C98.A7687180-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 29 08:39:13 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTGco3B004747; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:55 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBTGcmb4004731; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.120.26] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:38:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C60C9E.B7CADFD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 16:38:36.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[507CED30:01C60C96] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25459 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 131 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C60C9E.B7CADFD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In fact - I think ... I found an answer to the question... If you want to convert electromagnetical energy to scalar, you have to = find a way to "shift" the EM field into another topology of spacetime, as I understood it. To do this, you = have to create a substructure of spacetime in which the entire energy is = shifted to. In such a way that it manifests no external effects in our = topology, but all of its energy is now within this substructure.=20 To be able to penetrate conventional forms of em shielding and other = materials ( or whole planets )=20 the assumed topology is higher dimensional than ours ( at least I assume = it ;) ) Now to create these scalar waves you have to destroy all properties of = em waves which let it interact with our topology. i.e. by an interference of two 180deg-phase-shifted = waves, or bifiliar/caduceus coils. Still I don't know why this is so, but I'll find it out :) Ciao, Lex ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Philip Benjamin=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a challenging = field. Hope you find your endeavors productive. =20 All the best Philip Benjamin -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:06:58 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com ([204.122.16.68]) by = bay0-mc9-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, = 28 Dec 2005 16:10:37 -0800 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost = [127.0.0.1])by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id = jBT09WvV019900;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:37 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost)by ultra5.eskimo.com = (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBT09VTe019892;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:31 = -0800 Hi Alexander, If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend = the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - = http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an = interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these = forums. They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a = investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the = original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L = concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days = worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the = fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit = difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more.=20 Kind Regards, John Rudiger=20 TOTALINE Spare Parts=20 Perth WA=20 Ph:- 08 9232 7150=20 Fax:- 08 9232 7155=20 Opportunity awaits the prepared mind.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation Hello, actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help = me with my problem. I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot = about alternative energy sources like zpe. One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His = theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar = waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this = theory contains.=20 But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to = create these scalar waves ? i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.=20 Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, = are they ? Thank you, Best Regards, Alexander C. Gal ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C60C9E.B7CADFD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In fact - I think ... I found an answer = to the=20 question...
 
If you want to = convert electromagnetical=20 energy to scalar, you have to find a way to "shift" the EM = field
into another topology of spacetime, as = I understood=20 it. To do this, you have to create a substructure of spacetime in which = the=20 entire energy is shifted to. In such a way that it manifests no external = effects=20 in our topology, but all of its energy is now within this substructure.=20
To be able to penetrate conventional = forms of em=20 shielding and other materials ( or whole planets )
the assumed topology is higher = dimensional than=20 ours ( at least I assume it ;) )
 
Now to create these scalar waves you = have to=20 destroy all properties of em waves which let it interact
with our topology. i.e. by an = interference of two=20 180deg-phase-shifted waves, or bifiliar/caduceus = coils.
 
Still I don't know why this is so, but = I'll find it=20 out :)
 
 
Ciao,
Lex
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Philip=20 Benjamin
Sent: Thursday, December 29, = 2005 2:40=20 PM
Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em = field=20 creation

Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a challenging = field.=20 Hope you find your endeavors productive. 

All the best

Philip Benjamin

From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com=
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Hi=20 Alexander,
 
If=20 you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend = the Beta=20 Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group  = -  http://www.eskimo.= com/~billb/weird/wvort.html.=20 Im sure if you have an interest in Scalar Waves you may have some=20 interesting input on these forums.
 
They were both set up to investigate new ideas and = theories. Beta-a=20 investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to = the=20 original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L=20 concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated=20 technologies.
 
They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few = days=20 worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to = the=20 fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit = difficult=20 to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more. =
 
Kind Regards,
 

John Rudiger
TOTALINE Spare=20 Parts
Perth   WA

Ph:-    08 9232 7150 =
Fax:-  08 9232 7155

Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. =

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander C. = Gal=20 [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 29 December = 2005 1:08=20 AM
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [FG]: = scalar em=20 field creation

Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you = are, but I=20 assume that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in = physics/mathematics=20 and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like=20 zpe.
One day I found some articles = about a guy=20 called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least = to me.=20 Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new = technological=20 possibilities which this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't = understand=20 completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like = "tesla-shield"=20 device.
Caduceus coils are not able to = create such=20 field configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C.=20 = Gal

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The substructure of space-time is imaginary! A non-electric nonluminous extra-ordinary matter field may do the job... Philip Benjamin

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In fact - I think ... I found an answer to the question...
 
If you want to convert electromagnetical energy to scalar, you have to find a way to "shift" the EM field
into another topology of spacetime, as I understood it. To do this, you have to create a substructure of spacetime in which the entire energy is shifted to. In such a way that it manifests no external effects in our topology, but all of its energy is now within this substructure.
To be able to penetrate conventional forms of em shielding and other materials ( or whole planets )
the assumed topology is higher dimensional than ours ( at least I assume it ;) )
 
Now to create these scalar waves you have to destroy all properties of em waves which let it interact
with our topology. i.e. by an interference of two 180deg-phase-shifted waves, or bifiliar/caduceus coils.
 
Still I don't know why this is so, but I'll find it out :)
 
 
Ciao,
Lex
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation

Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a challenging field. Hope you find your endeavors productive. 

All the best

Philip Benjamin

From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com
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Hi Alexander,
 
If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group  -  http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these forums.
 
They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies.
 
They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more.
 
Kind Regards,
 

John Rudiger
TOTALINE Spare Parts
Perth   WA

Ph:-    08 9232 7150
Fax:-  08 9232 7155

Opportunity awaits the prepared mind.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation

Hello,
 
actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem.
 
I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe.
One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains.
 
But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ?
i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device.
Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ?
 
 
Thank you,
Best Regards,
Alexander C. Gal


From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 29 14:32:49 2005 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTMWNuw021958; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:32:23 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBTMWC4q021937; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:32:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:32:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25461 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 133 I did an experiement years ago after learning about an underlying property of electromagnetism that allowed an experiement in which they took to coils, both in superconductive shields, put an AC current through one, and apparently a signal was induced in the other in spite of being inside a superconductive faraday shield, and further more that signal did not seem to drop off at the normal inverse-square rate. So not having access to superconductors, I was curious if there would be any effect even with a metallic shield, and so built a little faraday cage out of printed circuit board with a coil in it, two of these, and hooked one up to an oscilloscope and the other to a signal generator, and I was unable to see any signal induce from one to the other. Because the original information I had was sketchy; some photocopied article sent to me by someone on the net barely legible and lacking details, I wasn't able to discerne much details, such as the frequency of the signal they used; the amplitude of the received signal (how much receiver sensitivity is needed, might have been my o-scope just didn't have sufficient sensitivity), etc. I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this, if it might be related to scaler (the fact that they said the signal didn't appear to drop off with distance makes me think scaler), and if anyone has any details. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:38:45 +0100 > From: Alexander C. Gal > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:48 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > In fact - I think ... I found an answer to the question... > > If you want to convert electromagnetical energy to scalar, you have to find a way to "shift" the EM field > into another topology of spacetime, as I understood it. To do this, you have to create a substructure of spacetime in which the entire energy is shifted to. In such a way that it manifests no external effects in our topology, but all of its energy is now within this substructure. > To be able to penetrate conventional forms of em shielding and other materials ( or whole planets ) > the assumed topology is higher dimensional than ours ( at least I assume it ;) ) > > Now to create these scalar waves you have to destroy all properties of em waves which let it interact > with our topology. i.e. by an interference of two 180deg-phase-shifted waves, or bifiliar/caduceus coils. > > Still I don't know why this is so, but I'll find it out :) > > > Ciao, > Lex > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Philip Benjamin > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:40 PM > Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a challenging field. Hope you find your endeavors productive. > > All the best > > > Philip Benjamin > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:06:58 +0800 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com ([204.122.16.68]) by bay0-mc9-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:10:37 -0800 > Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1])by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT09WvV019900;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:37 -0800 > Received: (from smartlst@localhost)by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBT09VTe019892;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:31 -0800 > > > Hi Alexander, > > If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these forums. > > They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. > > They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more. > > Kind Regards, > > John Rudiger > TOTALINE Spare Parts > Perth WA > > Ph:- 08 9232 7150 > Fax:- 08 9232 7155 > > Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > Hello, > > actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem. > > I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe. > One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains. > > But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ? > i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. > Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ? > > > Thank you, > Best Regards, > Alexander C. Gal > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 29 14:43:03 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTMgYEm017804; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:39 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBTMgWR7017792; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.86.177] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:42:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 22:42:22.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[221A3320:01C60CC9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25462 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 134 indeed I heard of this experiment. Take a look at JNLLabs(google)... There is a guy who tried exactly the same experiment as you did, and succeeded. He used a caduceus coil as far as i know, and transmitted a local tv signal trough it. The reciever was inside a huge metal faraday cage, and got the complete telly program in. ( Or was it a radio ? At least I know he tried that, with a positive result ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nanook" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > I did an experiement years ago after learning about an underlying > property > of electromagnetism that allowed an experiement in which they took to > coils, > both in superconductive shields, put an AC current through one, and > apparently > a signal was induced in the other in spite of being inside a > superconductive > faraday shield, and further more that signal did not seem to drop off at > the > normal inverse-square rate. > > So not having access to superconductors, I was curious if there would > be > any effect even with a metallic shield, and so built a little faraday cage > out > of printed circuit board with a coil in it, two of these, and hooked one > up to > an oscilloscope and the other to a signal generator, and I was unable to > see > any signal induce from one to the other. > > Because the original information I had was sketchy; some photocopied > article sent to me by someone on the net barely legible and lacking > details, > I wasn't able to discerne much details, such as the frequency of the > signal > they used; the amplitude of the received signal (how much receiver > sensitivity > is needed, might have been my o-scope just didn't have sufficient > sensitivity), > etc. > > I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this, if it might be related > to > scaler (the fact that they said the signal didn't appear to drop off with > distance makes me think scaler), and if anyone has any details. > > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:38:45 +0100 >> From: Alexander C. Gal >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:48 -0800 >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> In fact - I think ... I found an answer to the question... >> >> If you want to convert electromagnetical energy to scalar, you have to >> find a way to "shift" the EM field >> into another topology of spacetime, as I understood it. To do this, you >> have to create a substructure of spacetime in which the entire energy is >> shifted to. In such a way that it manifests no external effects in our >> topology, but all of its energy is now within this substructure. >> To be able to penetrate conventional forms of em shielding and other >> materials ( or whole planets ) >> the assumed topology is higher dimensional than ours ( at least I assume >> it ;) ) >> >> Now to create these scalar waves you have to destroy all properties of em >> waves which let it interact >> with our topology. i.e. by an interference of two 180deg-phase-shifted >> waves, or bifiliar/caduceus coils. >> >> Still I don't know why this is so, but I'll find it out :) >> >> >> Ciao, >> Lex >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Philip Benjamin >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:40 PM >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a challenging >> field. Hope you find your endeavors productive. >> >> All the best >> >> >> Philip Benjamin >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:06:58 +0800 >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com ([204.122.16.68]) by >> bay0-mc9-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, >> 28 Dec 2005 16:10:37 -0800 >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost >> [127.0.0.1])by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id >> jBT09WvV019900;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:37 -0800 >> Received: (from smartlst@localhost)by ultra5.eskimo.com >> (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBT09VTe019892;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:31 -0800 >> >> >> Hi Alexander, >> >> If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend >> the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - >> http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an >> interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these >> forums. >> >> They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a >> investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the >> original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L >> concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. >> >> They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days >> worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the >> fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit >> difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> John Rudiger >> TOTALINE Spare Parts >> Perth WA >> >> Ph:- 08 9232 7150 >> Fax:- 08 9232 7155 >> >> Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> Hello, >> >> actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help >> me with my problem. >> >> I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot >> about alternative energy sources like zpe. >> One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His >> theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar >> waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this >> theory contains. >> >> But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to >> create these scalar waves ? >> i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. >> Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, >> are they ? >> >> >> Thank you, >> Best Regards, >> Alexander C. Gal >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 29 16:32:44 2005 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU0WYT5031258; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:32:34 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBU0WWvS031234; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:32:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:32:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25463 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 135 I looked on this site, it is huge, but I couldn't find this. If you have a URL that would be much appreciated. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:42:33 +0100 > From: Alexander C. Gal > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:32 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > indeed I heard of this experiment. > Take a look at JNLLabs(google)... There is a guy who tried exactly the same > experiment as you did, and succeeded. He used a caduceus coil as far as i > know, and transmitted a local tv signal trough it. > The reciever was inside a huge metal faraday cage, and got the complete > telly program in. > ( Or was it a radio ? At least I know he tried that, with a positive > result ) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nanook" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > > > > I did an experiement years ago after learning about an underlying > > property > > of electromagnetism that allowed an experiement in which they took to > > coils, > > both in superconductive shields, put an AC current through one, and > > apparently > > a signal was induced in the other in spite of being inside a > > superconductive > > faraday shield, and further more that signal did not seem to drop off at > > the > > normal inverse-square rate. > > > > So not having access to superconductors, I was curious if there would > > be > > any effect even with a metallic shield, and so built a little faraday cage > > out > > of printed circuit board with a coil in it, two of these, and hooked one > > up to > > an oscilloscope and the other to a signal generator, and I was unable to > > see > > any signal induce from one to the other. > > > > Because the original information I had was sketchy; some photocopied > > article sent to me by someone on the net barely legible and lacking > > details, > > I wasn't able to discerne much details, such as the frequency of the > > signal > > they used; the amplitude of the received signal (how much receiver > > sensitivity > > is needed, might have been my o-scope just didn't have sufficient > > sensitivity), > > etc. > > > > I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this, if it might be related > > to > > scaler (the fact that they said the signal didn't appear to drop off with > > distance makes me think scaler), and if anyone has any details. > > > > > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > > > >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:38:45 +0100 > >> From: Alexander C. Gal > >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:48 -0800 > >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> > >> In fact - I think ... I found an answer to the question... > >> > >> If you want to convert electromagnetical energy to scalar, you have to > >> find a way to "shift" the EM field > >> into another topology of spacetime, as I understood it. To do this, you > >> have to create a substructure of spacetime in which the entire energy is > >> shifted to. In such a way that it manifests no external effects in our > >> topology, but all of its energy is now within this substructure. > >> To be able to penetrate conventional forms of em shielding and other > >> materials ( or whole planets ) > >> the assumed topology is higher dimensional than ours ( at least I assume > >> it ;) ) > >> > >> Now to create these scalar waves you have to destroy all properties of em > >> waves which let it interact > >> with our topology. i.e. by an interference of two 180deg-phase-shifted > >> waves, or bifiliar/caduceus coils. > >> > >> Still I don't know why this is so, but I'll find it out :) > >> > >> > >> Ciao, > >> Lex > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Philip Benjamin > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:40 PM > >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> > >> > >> Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a challenging > >> field. Hope you find your endeavors productive. > >> > >> All the best > >> > >> > >> Philip Benjamin > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com > >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:06:58 +0800 > >> MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com ([204.122.16.68]) by > >> bay0-mc9-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, > >> 28 Dec 2005 16:10:37 -0800 > >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost > >> [127.0.0.1])by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id > >> jBT09WvV019900;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:37 -0800 > >> Received: (from smartlst@localhost)by ultra5.eskimo.com > >> (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBT09VTe019892;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:31 -0800 > >> > >> > >> Hi Alexander, > >> > >> If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend > >> the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - > >> http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an > >> interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these > >> forums. > >> > >> They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a > >> investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the > >> original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L > >> concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. > >> > >> They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days > >> worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the > >> fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit > >> difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more. > >> > >> Kind Regards, > >> > >> John Rudiger > >> TOTALINE Spare Parts > >> Perth WA > >> > >> Ph:- 08 9232 7150 > >> Fax:- 08 9232 7155 > >> > >> Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help > >> me with my problem. > >> > >> I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot > >> about alternative energy sources like zpe. > >> One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His > >> theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar > >> waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this > >> theory contains. > >> > >> But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to > >> create these scalar waves ? > >> i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. > >> Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, > >> are they ? > >> > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Best Regards, > >> Alexander C. Gal > >> > >> > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 29 21:13:58 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU5Dber016109; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:13:43 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBU5DZx2016094; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:13:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:13:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 30 Dec 2005 05:13:25 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Wicaksono S." To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:13:25 +0700 Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation X-Originating-Ip: 202.53.251.26 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051230051325.1A1A13384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id jBU5DTb2016048 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25464 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 136 Don't forget to check http://home.wanadoo.nl/raccoon/ this site has a lot of math equations about scalar field and EM field. After about 8 years studying scalar field in internet I think this is the most comprehensive analysis about it. Wicaksono > Hi Alexander, > > If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend the > Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - > http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html > . Im sure if you have an > interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these > forums. > > They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a > investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the > original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L > concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. > > They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days worth of > emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the fray". I > personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit difficult to grasp > but it gives me inspiration to learn more. > > Kind Regards, > > > John Rudiger > TOTALINE Spare Parts > Perth WA > > Ph:- 08 9232 7150 > Fax:- 08 9232 7155 > > Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. > > Hello, > > actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my > problem. > > I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about > alternative energy sources like zpe. > One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories > are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and > the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory > contains. > > But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these > scalar waves ? > i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. > Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ? > > > Thank you, > Best Regards, > Alexander C. Gal -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 30 01:29:39 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU9TGv4008642; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:29:21 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBU9TEma008632; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:29:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:29:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.112.251] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: <20051230051325.1A1A13384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:29:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2005 09:29:08.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C227FD0:01C60D23] Resent-Message-ID: <571KRB.A.zGC.q3PtDB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25465 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 137 Wow - nice. The best information source about scalar waves I've ever seen. thank you very much ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicaksono S." To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Don't forget to check http://home.wanadoo.nl/raccoon/ > this site has a lot of math equations about scalar field and EM field. > After about 8 years studying scalar field in internet I think this is the > most comprehensive analysis about it. > > Wicaksono > >> Hi Alexander, >> >> If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would recommend the >> Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - >> http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html >> . Im sure if you have an >> interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these >> forums. >> >> They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. Beta-a >> investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to the >> original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L >> concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. >> >> They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days worth of >> emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to the fray". I >> personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit difficult to >> grasp >> but it gives me inspiration to learn more. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> John Rudiger >> TOTALINE Spare Parts >> Perth WA >> >> Ph:- 08 9232 7150 >> Fax:- 08 9232 7155 >> >> Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. >> >> Hello, >> >> actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with >> my >> problem. >> >> I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about >> alternative energy sources like zpe. >> One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His >> theories >> are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and >> the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory >> contains. >> >> But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create >> these >> scalar waves ? >> i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. >> Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they >> ? >> >> >> Thank you, >> Best Regards, >> Alexander C. Gal > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow > Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 30 01:33:51 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU9XWqf011095; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:33:37 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBU9XUdJ011071; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:33:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:33:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.112.251] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:33:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2005 09:33:25.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[153EAA90:01C60D24] Resent-Message-ID: <1mb-AD.A.6sC.q7PtDB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25466 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 138 Sure - no problem. Scalar Wave Transmitter: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm Soliton Pulse Generator (1) : http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/index.htm Soliton Pulse Generator (2) : http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/spg_shield.htm And other stuff about scalar waves : http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm I hope these links can help you. kind regards, alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nanook" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > I looked on this site, it is huge, but I couldn't find this. If you > have > a URL that would be much appreciated. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:42:33 +0100 >> From: Alexander C. Gal >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:32 -0800 >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> indeed I heard of this experiment. >> Take a look at JNLLabs(google)... There is a guy who tried exactly the >> same >> experiment as you did, and succeeded. He used a caduceus coil as far as i >> know, and transmitted a local tv signal trough it. >> The reciever was inside a huge metal faraday cage, and got the complete >> telly program in. >> ( Or was it a radio ? At least I know he tried that, with a positive >> result ) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nanook" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> > >> > I did an experiement years ago after learning about an underlying >> > property >> > of electromagnetism that allowed an experiement in which they took to >> > coils, >> > both in superconductive shields, put an AC current through one, and >> > apparently >> > a signal was induced in the other in spite of being inside a >> > superconductive >> > faraday shield, and further more that signal did not seem to drop off >> > at >> > the >> > normal inverse-square rate. >> > >> > So not having access to superconductors, I was curious if there >> > would >> > be >> > any effect even with a metallic shield, and so built a little faraday >> > cage >> > out >> > of printed circuit board with a coil in it, two of these, and hooked >> > one >> > up to >> > an oscilloscope and the other to a signal generator, and I was unable >> > to >> > see >> > any signal induce from one to the other. >> > >> > Because the original information I had was sketchy; some >> > photocopied >> > article sent to me by someone on the net barely legible and lacking >> > details, >> > I wasn't able to discerne much details, such as the frequency of the >> > signal >> > they used; the amplitude of the received signal (how much receiver >> > sensitivity >> > is needed, might have been my o-scope just didn't have sufficient >> > sensitivity), >> > etc. >> > >> > I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this, if it might be >> > related >> > to >> > scaler (the fact that they said the signal didn't appear to drop off >> > with >> > distance makes me think scaler), and if anyone has any details. >> > >> > >> > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- >> > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and >> > Hosting. >> > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. >> > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) >> > 246-6874. >> > >> > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:38:45 +0100 >> >> From: Alexander C. Gal >> >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:48 -0800 >> >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> >> In fact - I think ... I found an answer to the question... >> >> >> >> If you want to convert electromagnetical energy to scalar, you have to >> >> find a way to "shift" the EM field >> >> into another topology of spacetime, as I understood it. To do this, >> >> you >> >> have to create a substructure of spacetime in which the entire energy >> >> is >> >> shifted to. In such a way that it manifests no external effects in our >> >> topology, but all of its energy is now within this substructure. >> >> To be able to penetrate conventional forms of em shielding and other >> >> materials ( or whole planets ) >> >> the assumed topology is higher dimensional than ours ( at least I >> >> assume >> >> it ;) ) >> >> >> >> Now to create these scalar waves you have to destroy all properties of >> >> em >> >> waves which let it interact >> >> with our topology. i.e. by an interference of two 180deg-phase-shifted >> >> waves, or bifiliar/caduceus coils. >> >> >> >> Still I don't know why this is so, but I'll find it out :) >> >> >> >> >> >> Ciao, >> >> Lex >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Philip Benjamin >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:40 PM >> >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> >> >> >> Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a challenging >> >> field. Hope you find your endeavors productive. >> >> >> >> All the best >> >> >> >> >> >> Philip Benjamin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com >> >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:06:58 +0800 >> >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com ([204.122.16.68]) by >> >> bay0-mc9-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); >> >> Wed, >> >> 28 Dec 2005 16:10:37 -0800 >> >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost >> >> [127.0.0.1])by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id >> >> jBT09WvV019900;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:37 -0800 >> >> Received: (from smartlst@localhost)by ultra5.eskimo.com >> >> (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBT09VTe019892;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 >> >> 16:09:31 -0800 >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Alexander, >> >> >> >> If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would >> >> recommend >> >> the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - >> >> http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an >> >> interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these >> >> forums. >> >> >> >> They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. >> >> Beta-a >> >> investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to >> >> the >> >> original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L >> >> concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. >> >> >> >> They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days >> >> worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to >> >> the >> >> fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit >> >> difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more. >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> John Rudiger >> >> TOTALINE Spare Parts >> >> Perth WA >> >> >> >> Ph:- 08 9232 7150 >> >> Fax:- 08 9232 7155 >> >> >> >> Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] >> >> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can >> >> help >> >> me with my problem. >> >> >> >> I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a >> >> lot >> >> about alternative energy sources like zpe. >> >> One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. >> >> His >> >> theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these >> >> scalar >> >> waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which >> >> this >> >> theory contains. >> >> >> >> But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to >> >> create these scalar waves ? >> >> i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. >> >> Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, >> >> are they ? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Alexander C. Gal >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 30 02:07:56 2005 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUA7fe4002706; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:07:41 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBUA7Y7w002686; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:07:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:07:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:07:31 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25467 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 139 The first article is interesting in that I can instantly see several things different from what I did. They use a caduceus coil so the magnetic field cancelled. I wasn't aware of this when I did the experiement and instead also put the transmitter in a faraday shield. And they're also using a much higher power level with that transmitter than I was just driving the coil with a little signal generator. I think a good control experiement would have been to replace the caduceus coil with an ordinary coil and see if the radio could still pick it up in the shield, because at that power level it's possible the shielding was simply inadequate. If you're feeding 20 watts into the transmitter "antenna", and you've got a receiver that only needs a few picowatts, you need a very effective shield to completely eliminate that signal. But if the signal got weaker to non-existant substituting a normal coil for the caduceus coil, then you'd have a real argument for scaler waves. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:33:37 +0100 > From: Alexander C. Gal > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:33:30 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Sure - no problem. > > Scalar Wave Transmitter: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm > Soliton Pulse Generator (1) : http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/index.htm > Soliton Pulse Generator (2) : http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/spg_shield.htm > > And other stuff about scalar waves : > http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm > > I hope these links can help you. > > kind regards, > alex > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nanook" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > > > > I looked on this site, it is huge, but I couldn't find this. If you > > have > > a URL that would be much appreciated. > > > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > > > >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:42:33 +0100 > >> From: Alexander C. Gal > >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:32 -0800 > >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> > >> indeed I heard of this experiment. > >> Take a look at JNLLabs(google)... There is a guy who tried exactly the > >> same > >> experiment as you did, and succeeded. He used a caduceus coil as far as i > >> know, and transmitted a local tv signal trough it. > >> The reciever was inside a huge metal faraday cage, and got the complete > >> telly program in. > >> ( Or was it a radio ? At least I know he tried that, with a positive > >> result ) > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Nanook" > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 PM > >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I did an experiement years ago after learning about an underlying > >> > property > >> > of electromagnetism that allowed an experiement in which they took to > >> > coils, > >> > both in superconductive shields, put an AC current through one, and > >> > apparently > >> > a signal was induced in the other in spite of being inside a > >> > superconductive > >> > faraday shield, and further more that signal did not seem to drop off > >> > at > >> > the > >> > normal inverse-square rate. > >> > > >> > So not having access to superconductors, I was curious if there > >> > would > >> > be > >> > any effect even with a metallic shield, and so built a little faraday > >> > cage > >> > out > >> > of printed circuit board with a coil in it, two of these, and hooked > >> > one > >> > up to > >> > an oscilloscope and the other to a signal generator, and I was unable > >> > to > >> > see > >> > any signal induce from one to the other. > >> > > >> > Because the original information I had was sketchy; some > >> > photocopied > >> > article sent to me by someone on the net barely legible and lacking > >> > details, > >> > I wasn't able to discerne much details, such as the frequency of the > >> > signal > >> > they used; the amplitude of the received signal (how much receiver > >> > sensitivity > >> > is needed, might have been my o-scope just didn't have sufficient > >> > sensitivity), > >> > etc. > >> > > >> > I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this, if it might be > >> > related > >> > to > >> > scaler (the fact that they said the signal didn't appear to drop off > >> > with > >> > distance makes me think scaler), and if anyone has any details. > >> > > >> > > >> > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > >> > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and > >> > Hosting. > >> > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > >> > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) > >> > 246-6874. > >> > > >> > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > >> > > >> >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:38:45 +0100 > >> >> From: Alexander C. Gal > >> >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:48 -0800 > >> >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> >> > >> >> In fact - I think ... I found an answer to the question... > >> >> > >> >> If you want to convert electromagnetical energy to scalar, you have to > >> >> find a way to "shift" the EM field > >> >> into another topology of spacetime, as I understood it. To do this, > >> >> you > >> >> have to create a substructure of spacetime in which the entire energy > >> >> is > >> >> shifted to. In such a way that it manifests no external effects in our > >> >> topology, but all of its energy is now within this substructure. > >> >> To be able to penetrate conventional forms of em shielding and other > >> >> materials ( or whole planets ) > >> >> the assumed topology is higher dimensional than ours ( at least I > >> >> assume > >> >> it ;) ) > >> >> > >> >> Now to create these scalar waves you have to destroy all properties of > >> >> em > >> >> waves which let it interact > >> >> with our topology. i.e. by an interference of two 180deg-phase-shifted > >> >> waves, or bifiliar/caduceus coils. > >> >> > >> >> Still I don't know why this is so, but I'll find it out :) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ciao, > >> >> Lex > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: Philip Benjamin > >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:40 PM > >> >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a challenging > >> >> field. Hope you find your endeavors productive. > >> >> > >> >> All the best > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Philip Benjamin > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com > >> >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:06:58 +0800 > >> >> MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com ([204.122.16.68]) by > >> >> bay0-mc9-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); > >> >> Wed, > >> >> 28 Dec 2005 16:10:37 -0800 > >> >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost > >> >> [127.0.0.1])by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id > >> >> jBT09WvV019900;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:37 -0800 > >> >> Received: (from smartlst@localhost)by ultra5.eskimo.com > >> >> (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBT09VTe019892;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 > >> >> 16:09:31 -0800 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hi Alexander, > >> >> > >> >> If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would > >> >> recommend > >> >> the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - > >> >> http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have an > >> >> interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on these > >> >> forums. > >> >> > >> >> They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. > >> >> Beta-a > >> >> investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to > >> >> the > >> >> original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L > >> >> concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated technologies. > >> >> > >> >> They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few days > >> >> worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to > >> >> the > >> >> fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit > >> >> difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more. > >> >> > >> >> Kind Regards, > >> >> > >> >> John Rudiger > >> >> TOTALINE Spare Parts > >> >> Perth WA > >> >> > >> >> Ph:- 08 9232 7150 > >> >> Fax:- 08 9232 7155 > >> >> > >> >> Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] > >> >> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM > >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> >> Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hello, > >> >> > >> >> actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can > >> >> help > >> >> me with my problem. > >> >> > >> >> I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a > >> >> lot > >> >> about alternative energy sources like zpe. > >> >> One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. > >> >> His > >> >> theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these > >> >> scalar > >> >> waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which > >> >> this > >> >> theory contains. > >> >> > >> >> But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to > >> >> create these scalar waves ? > >> >> i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. > >> >> Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, > >> >> are they ? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Thank you, > >> >> Best Regards, > >> >> Alexander C. Gal > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 30 04:34:51 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUCYUYD011819; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:34:35 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBUCYRsG011808; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:34:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:34:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.112.251] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:34:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2005 12:34:17.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[59A1A610:01C60D3D] Resent-Message-ID: <6LK_HD.A.V4C.TlStDB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25468 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 140 > The first article is interesting in that I can instantly see several > things different from what I did. > They use a caduceus coil so the magnetic field cancelled. I wasn't aware > of this when I did the experiement and instead also put the transmitter in > a > faraday shield. hmm. even three or ten or 100 faraday cages shouldn't be a barrier for scalar waves. > I think a good control experiement would have been to replace the > caduceus > coil with an ordinary coil and see if the radio could still pick it up in > the > shield, because at that power level it's possible the shielding was simply > inadequate. possible yes - good idea; I'll try this as soon as I've some free time. Currently I have far too much to do with school and college. Maybe you could do it ? > If you're feeding 20 watts into the transmitter "antenna", and you've > got > a receiver that only needs a few picowatts, you need a very effective > shield to > completely eliminate that signal. But the caduceus coil cancels the original em wave. Therefore, the shield doesn't have any em-waves to eliminate. > But if the signal got weaker to non-existant substituting a normal > coil > for the caduceus coil, then you'd have a real argument for scaler waves. Another argument would be, that the signal should get stronger if the reciever were more far away. Somewhere I read that scalar waves tend to get more energy by distance. > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:33:37 +0100 >> From: Alexander C. Gal >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:33:30 -0800 >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> Sure - no problem. >> >> Scalar Wave Transmitter: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm >> Soliton Pulse Generator (1) : http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/index.htm >> Soliton Pulse Generator (2) : >> http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/spg_shield.htm >> >> And other stuff about scalar waves : >> http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm >> >> I hope these links can help you. >> >> kind regards, >> alex >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nanook" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> > >> > I looked on this site, it is huge, but I couldn't find this. If >> > you >> > have >> > a URL that would be much appreciated. >> > >> > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- >> > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and >> > Hosting. >> > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. >> > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) >> > 246-6874. >> > >> > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:42:33 +0100 >> >> From: Alexander C. Gal >> >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:32 -0800 >> >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> >> indeed I heard of this experiment. >> >> Take a look at JNLLabs(google)... There is a guy who tried exactly the >> >> same >> >> experiment as you did, and succeeded. He used a caduceus coil as far >> >> as i >> >> know, and transmitted a local tv signal trough it. >> >> The reciever was inside a huge metal faraday cage, and got the >> >> complete >> >> telly program in. >> >> ( Or was it a radio ? At least I know he tried that, with a positive >> >> result ) >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Nanook" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I did an experiement years ago after learning about an >> >> > underlying >> >> > property >> >> > of electromagnetism that allowed an experiement in which they took >> >> > to >> >> > coils, >> >> > both in superconductive shields, put an AC current through one, and >> >> > apparently >> >> > a signal was induced in the other in spite of being inside a >> >> > superconductive >> >> > faraday shield, and further more that signal did not seem to drop >> >> > off >> >> > at >> >> > the >> >> > normal inverse-square rate. >> >> > >> >> > So not having access to superconductors, I was curious if there >> >> > would >> >> > be >> >> > any effect even with a metallic shield, and so built a little >> >> > faraday >> >> > cage >> >> > out >> >> > of printed circuit board with a coil in it, two of these, and hooked >> >> > one >> >> > up to >> >> > an oscilloscope and the other to a signal generator, and I was >> >> > unable >> >> > to >> >> > see >> >> > any signal induce from one to the other. >> >> > >> >> > Because the original information I had was sketchy; some >> >> > photocopied >> >> > article sent to me by someone on the net barely legible and lacking >> >> > details, >> >> > I wasn't able to discerne much details, such as the frequency of the >> >> > signal >> >> > they used; the amplitude of the received signal (how much receiver >> >> > sensitivity >> >> > is needed, might have been my o-scope just didn't have sufficient >> >> > sensitivity), >> >> > etc. >> >> > >> >> > I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this, if it might be >> >> > related >> >> > to >> >> > scaler (the fact that they said the signal didn't appear to drop off >> >> > with >> >> > distance makes me think scaler), and if anyone has any details. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- >> >> > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and >> >> > Hosting. >> >> > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script >> >> > readers. >> >> > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) >> >> > 246-6874. >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Alexander C. Gal wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:38:45 +0100 >> >> >> From: Alexander C. Gal >> >> >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:48 -0800 >> >> >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> >> >> >> In fact - I think ... I found an answer to the question... >> >> >> >> >> >> If you want to convert electromagnetical energy to scalar, you have >> >> >> to >> >> >> find a way to "shift" the EM field >> >> >> into another topology of spacetime, as I understood it. To do this, >> >> >> you >> >> >> have to create a substructure of spacetime in which the entire >> >> >> energy >> >> >> is >> >> >> shifted to. In such a way that it manifests no external effects in >> >> >> our >> >> >> topology, but all of its energy is now within this substructure. >> >> >> To be able to penetrate conventional forms of em shielding and >> >> >> other >> >> >> materials ( or whole planets ) >> >> >> the assumed topology is higher dimensional than ours ( at least I >> >> >> assume >> >> >> it ;) ) >> >> >> >> >> >> Now to create these scalar waves you have to destroy all properties >> >> >> of >> >> >> em >> >> >> waves which let it interact >> >> >> with our topology. i.e. by an interference of two >> >> >> 180deg-phase-shifted >> >> >> waves, or bifiliar/caduceus coils. >> >> >> >> >> >> Still I don't know why this is so, but I'll find it out :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ciao, >> >> >> Lex >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: Philip Benjamin >> >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:40 PM >> >> >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tanks, Alex,for forwarding this note. This is indeed a >> >> >> challenging >> >> >> field. Hope you find your endeavors productive. >> >> >> >> >> >> All the best >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philip Benjamin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com >> >> >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> Subject: RE: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:06:58 +0800 >> >> >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com ([204.122.16.68]) by >> >> >> bay0-mc9-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); >> >> >> Wed, >> >> >> 28 Dec 2005 16:10:37 -0800 >> >> >> Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost >> >> >> [127.0.0.1])by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id >> >> >> jBT09WvV019900;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:09:37 -0800 >> >> >> Received: (from smartlst@localhost)by ultra5.eskimo.com >> >> >> (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBT09VTe019892;Wed, 28 Dec 2005 >> >> >> 16:09:31 -0800 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Alexander, >> >> >> >> >> >> If you have an interest in new Physics/Mathematics I would >> >> >> recommend >> >> >> the Beta Atmosphere group on Yahoo as well as the Vortex-L group - >> >> >> http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html. Im sure if you have >> >> >> an >> >> >> interest in Scalar Waves you may have some interesting input on >> >> >> these >> >> >> forums. >> >> >> >> >> >> They were both set up to investigate new ideas and theories. >> >> >> Beta-a >> >> >> investigates the theory of a Beta atmosphere that is reminiscent to >> >> >> the >> >> >> original concept of the "Aether" but in a whole new way. Vortex-L >> >> >> concentrates generally on Cold Fusion and the associated >> >> >> technologies. >> >> >> >> >> >> They are both extremely informative, sign up and read a few >> >> >> days >> >> >> worth of emails to get the general feel of it before "jumping in to >> >> >> the >> >> >> fray". I personally find a few of the concepts and theories a bit >> >> >> difficult to grasp but it gives me inspiration to learn more. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> John Rudiger >> >> >> TOTALINE Spare Parts >> >> >> Perth WA >> >> >> >> >> >> Ph:- 08 9232 7150 >> >> >> Fax:- 08 9232 7155 >> >> >> >> >> >> Opportunity awaits the prepared mind. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:08 AM >> >> >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> Subject: [FG]: scalar em field creation >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> >> >> actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can >> >> >> help >> >> >> me with my problem. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite >> >> >> a >> >> >> lot >> >> >> about alternative energy sources like zpe. >> >> >> One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. >> >> >> His >> >> >> theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these >> >> >> scalar >> >> >> waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which >> >> >> this >> >> >> theory contains. >> >> >> >> >> >> But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to >> >> >> create these scalar waves ? >> >> >> i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. >> >> >> Caduceus coils are not able to create such field >> >> >> configurations, >> >> >> are they ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> Alexander C. Gal >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 30 11:33:02 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUJWcbt000737; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:43 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBUJWZvH000715; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xtlhSGQj2xbaTTHK0BuHWhpBQEumIVF2bIA9eEb3f81RiEIN2Xfvo9JD5I/XTAUqGKDQAn1bjvHCIykUORgiAAlTSrSOOYVB8nWSVPPcrFHoyU6iZrCFpeEPJL3XjseleqOpWGP2HCmkqspWGGwKXJtpRlcCB1W2mFT8V7Tp/sE= ; Message-ID: <20051230193224.24553.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: Harvey Norris Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25469 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 141 I have played around with some scalar concepts and would add the following/ Two magnetic fields in opposition will each induce currents on each others coil forms as independent elements, (according to their coupling made by mutual inductance). This of course will reduce the impedance of each said element. In fact by using coil elements of the greatest mutual inductance, in some scenarios, ( such as a three phase WYE connection between three adjacent spiral forms), each having a greatest possible amount of mutual inductance between them, we can measure the currents being in excess to what the currents would be if the AC input were instead a simple DC input, that in turn delivers currents in excess to what would be observed in the same circuit if it were placed on a DC basis. Because in fact the idea of resonating the individiual spirals for their maximum conduction values is itself based the measurement of the elements currents to establish the acting impedance, if the AC currents themselves are in excess to what would be attained to with simple DC input, it then becomes impossible to choose a corresponding cancelling reactance for resonance, when in fact the inductive reactance measurement shows that it is acting as a "negative" impedance that delivers currents in excess to what would be enabled from Ohms law alone. The use of three phase to cause net magnetic cancellation with three adjacent spirals is predicated on the fact that when one phase is at its maximum peak in the AC cycle, the other two phases contain smaller currents in opposition to the largest one acting in that instant of time, where the net vector addition of all three currents is zero. Here is some info from 2004 on these experiments employing a three phase alternator to establish these currents of net magnetic cancellation. I used 480 hz and Radio Shack Megacable speaker wire which comes in a form of ready made concentric sets of spirals. Two (speaker wire)sets could be used for the required 3 winds, with the fourth wind connected to scope for observation of the magnetic cancellation effect. "I have gone far off topic here, so lets return to the scalar analogies, which shows the concept of possible "negative impedance" and proof of such. Here I have used only a single wind of the spirals, but they have been wired instead as a WYE formation. (This was from FEB 2002 research, and I have re-checked those results) But we can still measure the voltage across each WYE segment. Now all the spirals in identical winding directions lead to a central voltage measuring point, between the outside connection and the central one. IF the winding routes are all connected in the same way, theory goes that the three windings are all producing a sum magnetic field in 3 phase cancellation, and if in turn we reverse the direction of current for the central wind, we will have reduced that situation so that impedance now exists. Let us start from there so we can see the results of the positive impedance connection, and then compare this to the negative one. For the central winding route reversed to yield impedance we get the observation that 1 volt will produce 1 AMP on the wye segment. Now the segment is only actually .15 ohms, so the reactance value of 1 ohm is higher then the resistive value of .15 ohms, and it would still be possible to find a capacitive reactance of 1 ohm at 480 hz, (about 308 uf for this example), and because we DO find impedance, we also speculate that that situation has a possibility for producing resonance, but it would take an ungodly amount of capacity to accomplish it, over 900 uf distributed among the three phases. Now let us see what happens when we attempt to measure the impedance of the 3 phase scalar WYE. In that situation we find that 1 volt enables 9.75 A on each segment. The reactance becomes 1/9.75 = .1025 ohms. BUT THE RESISTANCE OF THE WYE SEGMENT ITSELF IS A LARGER VALUE AT .15 OHMS! Normally when we wish to find a cancelling reactance to a ohmic value ADDED as additional AC resistance to the normal DC resistance of the component, we simply find that ohmic value, and find the equal capacitive reactance value. But here we are left with a real paradox. NOT ONLY HAS THE 3 PHASE MAGNETIC FIELDS IN CANCELLATION WIPED OUT THE IMPEDANCE, IT HAS MADE THAT IMPEDANCE GO TO A NEGATIVE VALUE, MAKING THE EFFECTIVE AC RESISTANCE APPEAR BELOW WHAT IT WOULD APPEAR AT IN A DC APPLICATION! In this experiment I also checked the stator core heating effect, and found that the core was not producing excessive heat. I walked away and came back 5 minutes later. The core then was super hot... What had happened was that one of the 10 AMP fuses of the measuring device had blown, making the circuit go (partially) open circuit. This made the output voltage go way up, since the circuit was no longer loaded down to its maximum, and later it was learned that one can have an alternator with NO LOADS ATTACHED, and if the open circuit output voltage is set high enough, the internal circulation of currents on the stator core itself can go high enough to possibly melt the insulation of the stator wires, all with no loads attached! At that time many years ago, I thought god what a damned innefficient device the alternator must be, if it can overheat with no loads attached! Now I understand that I was operating in the portion of field energization that gets near saturation of the stator core, and as paradoxical as it sounds here, that load taking a large amperage quantity will in this case prevent the stator core from reaching heat levels that might normally destroy the alternator, if it accidentally were to go open circuit. What is occurring in the scalar WYE example, is that because the adjacent spirals act as perfect 100% coupling in mutual inductance, (even though they are air core examples), each spiral induces current on the adjacent spirals, and we end up with more current on those elements then even what the normal DC OHMS law would deliver! Since we have no precedent here to explain things, we invent a new term to explain it, and that term is justly called "negative impedance". What is the use for negative impedance? Well it can be added in series with a positive impedance circuit, which will then register a loss in impedance on that circuit, and this has also been tried and verified using two delta windings exercizing a negative impedance on a central wind having positive impedance, and the net result is a loss of impedance on the positive impedance circuit being tested. This in itself doesn’t sound very impressive, however the greatest use for this phenomenon should be in circuits that have limitations on their actions when placed into resonance. Practically every alternator resonant circuit I have investigated has this limitation imposed upon it, due to the problems of internal capacity between windings. The negative impedance phenomenon that occurs in making fields in cancellation has already been used to DOUBLE the effective Q factor of a high induction coil, and that didn’t even use spirals employing a high mutual inductance. I hope I have at lest proven the concept of negative impedance here, and to show the conceptial problems in making a scalar resonance. July 21, 2004 Retest of Scalar WYE. A DC test ( From METR rectification component) for 3 spiral layers in series showed 1.07 DC volts enabled 1.54 A or a total of .69 ohms for 3 layers, which seems a bit high. There may be a small reactance added to the equation from any DC ripple inherent in the dual 120 phased AC rectifications. 10 layers have been formerly measured at 1.54 ohms by resistance measurement function of Wavetek LCR meter. Variances in resistances from one Radio Shack Megacable Speaker wire spiral set to another might also be possible. Thus we have an estimation between .15 to .23 ohms resistance for each wind. For this case here using the higher resistance figure for comparison we should expect 1.54 A * 3 = 4.62 A conductions for a single wind for the DC case given the same 1.07 DC Volt input. Now both AC analogue and digital voltage meters are placed across the top WYE segment. Since this is only a 3 wire WYE connection, it is not a true 4 wire WYE, as no provision is made for a fourth return wire for unbalanced current delivery, but here the current returns solely on the adjacent phases. Turning up the (field)input until 1 AC volt is read,(across the top WYE segment), the stator lines then read an average of 10.3 Amps. This is over double the expected amperage for a DC reading. HOWEVER, the stator voltage itself, which is what would be taken from a DELTA output instead of a WYE to accomplish the 10.3 A conductions read much higher then expected, between 5 or 6 volts. The combined resistance of two winds in series should be .46 ohms. This would be a DC conduction of 13 A. So topologically we can either look at the WYE being established with only 3 sets of single winds connected in WYE with a center connection, or we can look at it as three sets of DELTA connected as two winds in series, where each of those winds shares a current path with its neighboring phase. That is basically how the alternator is internally wired as R(int) in WYE. To better understand the conductions we need to try winding only each single wind SPECIFICALLY in DELTA. July 22, 2004 DELTA Test of 3 phase magnetic cancellation with Megacable spirals Apparently the DELTA test debunks the theory of negative impedance. The same field energization needed to establish a 17.5 volt stator AC voltage was used, as was the same level that formerly gave the average 10.3 A conductions. Again the same approximate currents, (about 10.4 A average) were observed with the DELTA made spiral connection. However now we see that instead of the stator dropping from 17.5 volts open circuit to the 5-6 volt range, it drops to the 4 volt range. 4 AC volts enabling a 10.4A average current represents an ohmic resistance of .38 ohms, higher then the cited .23 ohm measurement made with DC. So apparently we are back to square 1. But as things stand now, apparently it seems possible to make a demo where the conductions APPEAR to violate ohms law, and give greater AC conductions then the actual resistance should allow; but further inspection of the actual outside voltage source shows that our readings may be the result of a delusion. However this is not to say the magnetic cancellation principle inherent in 3 phase may not have other applications. We might use it for reducing impedance in the three phase transformer primaries that experience a non linear rise in impedance when we use frequencies as high as 480 hz.. We might use it to gain better source frequency resonance performance, where the demon of internal capacity is overcome. Time will tell what possible applications exist for this particular circuit." Sincerely HDN Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 30 12:06:48 2005 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUK6d9R006093; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:06:39 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBUK6bLO006086; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:06:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:06:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:06:36 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25470 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 142 > Another argument would be, that the signal should get stronger if the > reciever were more far away. Somewhere I read that scalar waves tend to get > more energy by distance. In the earlier material I read, it didn't say anything about getting stronger with distance, it did say that it didn't drop off at the normal inverse-square rate. At any rate; right now time and finances don't make too much experiementation practical for me. But when they do this is an area of interest. It's hard to fathom though, if this is real; why it hasn't found widespread applications in communications. A cell phone that works inside steel elevators or 500 feet under ground... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 30 12:49:24 2005 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUKnKVk009462; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:49:20 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBUKnJrm009457; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:49:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:49:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: <20051230193224.24553.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25471 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 143 I think what you're seeing here is less than magical. You can get MORE current, but if it's not in phase with the voltage, you have LESS power. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Harvey Norris wrote: > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:24 -0800 (PST) > From: Harvey Norris > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:35 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > I have played around with some scalar concepts and > would add the following/ > > Two magnetic fields in opposition will each induce > currents on each others coil forms as independent > elements, (according to their coupling made by mutual > inductance). This of course will reduce the impedance > of each said element. In fact by using coil elements > of the greatest mutual inductance, in some scenarios, > ( such as a three phase WYE connection between three > adjacent spiral forms), each having a greatest > possible amount of mutual inductance between them, we > can measure the currents being in excess to what the > currents would be if the AC input were instead a > simple DC input, that in turn delivers currents in > excess to what would be observed in the same circuit > if it were placed on a DC basis. Because in fact the > idea of resonating the individiual spirals for their > maximum conduction values is itself based the > measurement of the elements currents to establish the > acting impedance, if the AC currents themselves are in > excess to what would be attained to with simple DC > input, it then becomes impossible to choose a > corresponding cancelling reactance for resonance, when > in fact the inductive reactance measurement shows that > it is acting as a "negative" impedance that delivers > currents in excess to what would be enabled from Ohms > law alone. > The use of three phase to cause net magnetic > cancellation with three adjacent spirals is > predicated on the fact that when one phase is at its > maximum peak in the AC cycle, the other two phases > contain smaller currents in opposition to the largest > one acting in that instant of time, where the net > vector addition of all three currents is zero. Here > is some info from 2004 on these experiments employing > a three phase alternator to establish these currents > of net magnetic cancellation. I used 480 hz and Radio > Shack Megacable speaker wire which comes in a form of > ready made concentric sets of spirals. Two (speaker > wire)sets could be used for the required 3 winds, with > the fourth wind connected to scope for observation of > the magnetic cancellation effect. > > "I have gone far off topic here, so lets return to the > scalar analogies, which shows the concept of possible > "negative impedance" and proof of such. Here I have > used only a single wind of the spirals, but they have > been wired > instead as a WYE formation. (This was from FEB 2002 > research, and I have re-checked those results) But we > can still measure the voltage across each WYE segment. > Now all the spirals in identical winding directions > lead to a central voltage measuring point, between the > outside connection and the central one. IF the winding > routes are all connected in the same way, > theory goes that the three windings are all producing > a sum magnetic field in 3 phase cancellation, and if > in turn we reverse the direction of current for the > central wind, we will have reduced that situation so > that impedance now exists. Let us start from there so > we can see the results of the positive impedance > connection, and then compare this to the negative one. > For the central winding route reversed to yield > impedance we get the observation that 1 volt will > produce 1 AMP on the wye segment. Now the segment is > only actually .15 ohms, so the reactance value of 1 > ohm is higher then the resistive value of .15 ohms, > and it would still be possible to find a capacitive > reactance of 1 ohm at 480 hz, (about 308 uf for this > example), and because we DO find impedance, we also > speculate that that situation has a possibility for > producing resonance, but it would take an ungodly > amount of capacity to accomplish it, over 900 uf > distributed among the three phases. Now let us see > what happens when we attempt to measure the impedance > of the 3 phase scalar WYE. In that situation we find > that 1 volt enables 9.75 A on each segment. The > reactance becomes 1/9.75 = .1025 ohms. BUT THE > RESISTANCE OF THE WYE SEGMENT ITSELF IS A LARGER VALUE > AT .15 OHMS! Normally when we wish to find a > cancelling reactance to a ohmic value ADDED as > additional AC resistance to the normal DC resistance > of the component, we simply find that ohmic value, and > find the equal capacitive reactance value. But here we > are left with a real paradox. NOT ONLY HAS THE 3 PHASE > MAGNETIC FIELDS IN CANCELLATION WIPED OUT THE > IMPEDANCE, IT HAS MADE THAT IMPEDANCE GO TO A NEGATIVE > VALUE, MAKING THE EFFECTIVE AC RESISTANCE APPEAR BELOW > WHAT IT WOULD APPEAR AT IN A DC APPLICATION! > > In this experiment I also checked the stator core > heating effect, and found that the core was not > producing excessive heat. I walked away and came back > 5 minutes later. The core then was super hot... What > had happened was that one of the 10 AMP fuses of the > measuring device had blown, making the circuit go > (partially) open circuit. This made the output voltage > go way up, since the circuit was no longer loaded down > to its maximum, and later it was learned that one can > have an alternator with NO LOADS ATTACHED, and if the > open circuit output voltage is set high enough, the > internal circulation of currents on the stator core > itself can go high enough to possibly melt the > insulation of the stator wires, all with no loads > attached! At that time many years ago, I thought god > what a damned innefficient device the alternator must > be, if it can overheat with no loads attached! Now I > understand that I was operating in the portion of > field energization that gets near saturation of the > stator core, and as paradoxical as it sounds here, > that load taking a large amperage quantity will in > this case prevent the stator core from reaching heat > levels that might normally destroy the alternator, if > it accidentally were to go open circuit. What is > occurring in the scalar WYE example, is that because > the adjacent spirals act as perfect 100% coupling in > mutual inductance, (even though they are air core > examples), each spiral induces current on the adjacent > spirals, and we end up with more current on those > elements then even what the normal DC OHMS law would > deliver! Since we have no precedent here to explain > things, we invent a new term to explain it, and that > term is justly called "negative impedance". What is > the use for negative impedance? Well it can be added > in series with a positive impedance circuit, which > will then register a loss in impedance on that > circuit, and this has also been tried and verified > using two delta windings exercizing a negative > impedance on a central wind having positive impedance, > and the net result is a loss of impedance on the > positive impedance circuit being tested. This in > itself doesn’t sound very impressive, however the > greatest use for this phenomenon should be in circuits > that have limitations on their actions when placed > into resonance. Practically every alternator resonant > circuit I have investigated has this limitation > imposed upon it, due to the problems of internal > capacity between windings. The negative impedance > phenomenon that occurs in making fields in > cancellation has already been used to DOUBLE the > effective Q factor of a high induction coil, and that > didn’t even use spirals employing a high mutual > inductance. I hope I have at lest proven the concept > of negative impedance here, and to show the conceptial > problems in making a scalar resonance. > July 21, 2004 Retest of Scalar WYE. > A DC test ( From METR rectification component) > for 3 spiral layers in series showed 1.07 DC volts > enabled 1.54 A or a total of .69 ohms for 3 layers, > which seems a bit high. There may be a small reactance > added to the equation from any DC ripple inherent in > the dual 120 phased AC rectifications. 10 layers have > been formerly measured at 1.54 ohms by resistance > measurement function of Wavetek LCR meter. Variances > in resistances from one Radio Shack Megacable Speaker > wire spiral set to another might also be possible. > Thus we have an estimation between .15 to .23 ohms > resistance for each wind. For this case here using the > higher resistance figure for comparison we should > expect 1.54 A * 3 = 4.62 A conductions for a single > wind for the DC case given the same 1.07 DC Volt > input. Now both AC analogue and digital voltage > meters are placed across the top WYE segment. Since > this is only a 3 wire WYE connection, it is not a true > 4 wire WYE, as no provision is made for a fourth > return wire for unbalanced current delivery, but here > the current returns solely on the adjacent phases. > Turning up the (field)input until 1 AC volt is > read,(across the top WYE segment), the stator lines > then read an average of 10.3 Amps. This is over double > the expected amperage for a DC reading. HOWEVER, the > stator voltage itself, which is what would be taken > from a DELTA output instead of a WYE to accomplish the > 10.3 A conductions read much higher then expected, > between 5 or 6 volts. The combined resistance of two > winds in series should be .46 ohms. This would be a DC > conduction of 13 A. > So topologically we can either look at the WYE being > established with only 3 sets of single winds connected > in WYE with a center connection, or we can look at it > as three sets of DELTA connected as two winds in > series, where each of those winds shares a current > path with its neighboring phase. That is basically how > the alternator is internally wired as R(int) in WYE. > To better understand the conductions we need to try > winding only each single wind SPECIFICALLY in DELTA. > > July 22, 2004 > DELTA Test of 3 phase magnetic cancellation with > Megacable spirals > > Apparently the DELTA test debunks the theory of > negative impedance. > The same field energization needed to establish a > 17.5 volt stator AC voltage was used, as was the same > level that formerly gave the average 10.3 A > conductions. Again the same approximate currents, > (about 10.4 A average) were observed with the DELTA > made spiral connection. However now we see that > instead of the stator dropping from 17.5 volts open > circuit to the 5-6 volt range, it drops to the 4 volt > range. > 4 AC volts enabling a 10.4A average current represents > an ohmic resistance of .38 ohms, higher then the cited > .23 ohm measurement made with DC. So apparently we > are back to square 1. But as things stand now, > apparently it seems possible to make a demo where the > conductions APPEAR to violate ohms law, and give > greater AC conductions then the actual resistance > should allow; but further inspection of the actual > outside voltage source shows that our readings may be > the result of a delusion. However this is not to say > the magnetic cancellation principle inherent in 3 > phase may not have other applications. We might use it > for reducing impedance in the three phase transformer > primaries that experience a non linear rise in > impedance when we use frequencies as high as 480 hz.. > We might use it to gain better source frequency > resonance performance, where the demon of internal > capacity is overcome. Time will tell what possible > applications exist for this particular circuit." > > Sincerely HDN > > > Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 31 10:10:02 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVI1OQ8019842; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:09:37 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBVHaPHr011646; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:36:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:36:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <015701c60e31$8bd646a0$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: <20050429021610.22154.qmail@web42110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:42:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25472 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: Prometheus Effect Smot - Thanks!!!!!!! Randy USA Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 144 Hi Gregg I haven't heard from you for a while. I just wanted you to know that I am still at the same location same Phones and such. However, I am starting to have trouble with my email. But I am getting most of it. I am looking very forward to getting your SMOT kit with the new measurement system. I know that you are very busy, but if possible I would like mine auto-graphed. Thanks Randy Elston Hargraves of Yukon Oklahoma USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prometheus Effect" To: "FreeEnergy" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect Smot - Thanks!!!!!!! Randy USA > Hi Randy, > > Thanks for the feedback. > > You should have your SMOT kit with the new measurement > system in early July. > > Anyone else waiting for their SMOT kits, please let me > have your name and delivery details. > > Greg > > --- Randy E Hargraves wrote: > > hI Greg It was very good to here from you. > > > > I breifly looked at your Promtheus Effect Web sight, > > I am going back to it to examine it better. > > > > Wow! I am getting excited again about this project. > > > > It looks very interresting. > > > > Randy Elston Hargraves > > 601 John F. Kroutil Dr. > > Yukon Oklahoma > > 73099 > > USA > > > > Home 1-405-350-0503 > > Other 1-405-354-0033 > > > > Thanks Again > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Prometheus Effect" > > > > To: "FreeEnergy" ; "Vortex" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:09 PM > > Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect > > > > > > > Randy Elston wrote: > > > > > > Hi Friends > > > > > > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid > > for > > > a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never received it. > > I > > > am extremely disappointed. If someone has a good > > > e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, > > feel > > > free to forward this message to him. > > > > > > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > > > in Oklahoma USA > > > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > > > I feel Cheated > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT > > kits. > > > You might want to check out: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > > > > > You wil be getting your SMOT kit complete with a > > new > > > measurement system which proves the Prometheus > > Effect > > > at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > > Movies. > > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 31 10:35:04 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVIUAwY005103; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:50 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBVIOkDP003520; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:24:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:24:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.102.231] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:24:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 18:24:38.0981 (UTC) FILETIME=[75D96750:01C60E37] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25473 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 145 > It's hard to fathom though, if this is real; why it hasn't found > widespread applications in communications. A cell phone that works inside > steel elevators or 500 feet under ground... This point is strange, yes - because scalar waves would make technologies possible which aren't imaginable for the most humans. i.e. shielding devices ( tesla shield ), new fabrication methods, barrier-less transmission of data, maybe faster than light transmission... etc. etc. I don't know why this technology isn't already in use... perhaps because it's not real. goodness knows.... --- Well... let's collect some methods for creating scalar waves, maybe this help us understanding what exactly happens when em energy gets converted to scalar. I'll start: - Caduceus coil - ... --- I wish you all a prosperous and happy new year. Kind Regards, Alexander From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 31 11:06:45 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVJ6CkX017458; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:06:17 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBVJ5qjH017196; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:05:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:05:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:02:07 +1300 From: Darryl Ward Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <008b01c60e3c$b2c09530$620cf6d2@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25474 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 146 There is always the possibility that vested interests that profit from existing technology keep new technology surpressed, as with Tesla's HVDC wireless transmisison system. Darryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > It's hard to fathom though, if this is real; why it hasn't found > > widespread applications in communications. A cell phone that works inside > > steel elevators or 500 feet under ground... > This point is strange, yes - because scalar waves would make technologies > possible which aren't imaginable for the most humans. i.e. shielding devices > ( tesla shield ), new fabrication methods, barrier-less transmission of > data, maybe faster than light transmission... etc. etc. > > I don't know why this technology isn't already in use... perhaps because > it's not real. > goodness knows.... > > --- > Well... let's collect some methods for creating scalar waves, > maybe this help us understanding what exactly happens when em energy gets > converted to scalar. > > I'll start: > - Caduceus coil > - ... > > --- > > I wish you all a prosperous and happy new year. > > Kind Regards, > Alexander > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 03/11/2005 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 31 11:18:09 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVJHktG023836; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:17:52 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBVJHiXI023807; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:17:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:17:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.102.231] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: <008b01c60e3c$b2c09530$620cf6d2@chernolapkin> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:17:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 19:17:32.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[D97B3750:01C60E3E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25475 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 147 > There is always the possibility that vested interests that profit from > existing technology keep new technology surpressed, as with Tesla's HVDC > wireless transmisison system. HVDC ? You surely mean AC ;) But you're right... a lot of people are making good money with existing technologies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Ward" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > There is always the possibility that vested interests that profit from > existing technology keep new technology surpressed, as with Tesla's HVDC > wireless transmisison system. > > Darryl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexander C. Gal" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:24 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > >> >> > It's hard to fathom though, if this is real; why it hasn't found >> > widespread applications in communications. A cell phone that works > inside >> > steel elevators or 500 feet under ground... >> This point is strange, yes - because scalar waves would make technologies >> possible which aren't imaginable for the most humans. i.e. shielding > devices >> ( tesla shield ), new fabrication methods, barrier-less transmission of >> data, maybe faster than light transmission... etc. etc. >> >> I don't know why this technology isn't already in use... perhaps because >> it's not real. >> goodness knows.... >> >> --- >> Well... let's collect some methods for creating scalar waves, >> maybe this help us understanding what exactly happens when em energy gets >> converted to scalar. >> >> I'll start: >> - Caduceus coil >> - ... >> >> --- >> >> I wish you all a prosperous and happy new year. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Alexander >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: >> 03/11/2005 >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 31 13:10:24 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVL9uW2006538; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:10:02 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id jBVL9rla006519; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:09:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:09:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CsPlnIRFF6mRrSc0RPRcMVKtp1CqTMrZ/vNTYA8+E4uB7dCGhYiDp4oYh1Xcgv93NS/VDBMVNZoY+ZrjqZIgc3MsFtsmFHSGH6SUvvK5ydutD9c3gRxEUtPiOOr9mDuuGFEQoj62nJz8EA1NW4uOknYE4aa4CQ5Gmy0r4n/nvtQ= ; Message-ID: <20051231204300.56086.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: Harvey Norris Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25476 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 148 --- Nanook wrote: > > I think what you're seeing here is less than > magical. You can get MORE > current, but if it's not in phase with the voltage, > you have LESS power. When the magnetic field component has been cancelled the conduction should come to a value dictated by ohms law. At issue here was a peculiarity noticed in the measurement of WYE vs Delta as single wind pancake coils of ~ 36 winds. The extenuating circumstances here was that each winding,(50 ft in spiraled form) has almost complete magnetic coupling with its adjacently layered phase, thus we have TWO sources of emf on each phase, its ordinary line coupled connections made either in wye or delta, AND that made by air core induction. It may actually be that these two emf sources are in opposing directions for the same direction of current produced. Now the special extenuating circumstance here is that just a single winding loads down the alternator to a significant degree, since the resistance of the winding is about 4 times lower then what would be used for maximum energy transfer, where the loads resistance matches the internal resistance of the stator winding. Now from these notes it appears that a 17 volt stator is first measured at open circuit, where a maximum energy transfer circuit using 4 winds in series for each phase would drop this open circuit voltage down to about 50 % of its open circuit value. Now for the WYE load connection it is found that the 17 volts open stator voltage is reduced down to 1 volt when measured across the WYE segment. Recall that the stator line current, and the phase amperage are the same thing in a WYE extraction, but that the stator voltage and the phase voltage are different by a factor of 1.7, where here then for a 1 volt extraction in wye, 1.7 volts should be present on the outside stator voltages, but instead 5 or 6 volts are present. So it tempting to assume that without the currents and voltages produced by induction 6/1.7 volts should be present across the wye segments, but because induction based voltages oppose the line coupled ones, what our meter reads is the net difference or subtraction between these voltage sources. Now in the case of a Delta extraction the opposite case applies where now the stator voltage and phase voltage are the same thing, but the stator line and phase line amperages differ by a factor of 1.7. Notes indicate that BOTH the WYE and DELTA conductions were near 10 amps for the field conditions which doesnt seem to make sense either. Apparently when each stator line is wye connected to a single phase an internal voltage deviation can be observed, but because of the fact that a delta connection has no deviation between its stator voltage and phase voltage, the additional load down caused by this inductive effect is already included as the net resultant stator load voltage. What I may have missed here is the possible measured deviance between the stator line currents and the phase amperage currents for the delta extraction, so this will be looked at again. If both methods produced 10 AMP extractions, this would mean that for the delta case the stator line currents should have gone up 1.7 times, which doesnt sound likely, because the Delta extraction caused the 17 volt stator to drop to 4 volts, while the Wye extraction was near 6 volts, indicating that the Delta extraction loaded down the alternator to a greater degree. This subject will be studied soon again... HDN Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 31 17:45:40 2005 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k011jZOl020126; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:45:35 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k011jV2x020115; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:45:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:45:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:45:31 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: <20051231204300.56086.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25477 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 149 On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Harvey Norris wrote: > > > > > I think what you're seeing here is less than > > magical. You can get MORE > > current, but if it's not in phase with the voltage, > > you have LESS power. > When the magnetic field component has been cancelled > the conduction should come to a value dictated by ohms > law. At issue here was a peculiarity noticed in the > measurement of WYE vs Delta as single wind pancake > coils of ~ 36 winds. The extenuating circumstances > here was that each winding,(50 ft in spiraled form) > has almost complete magnetic coupling with its > adjacently layered phase, thus we have TWO sources of > emf on each phase, its ordinary line coupled > connections made either in wye or delta, AND that made > by air core induction. It may actually be that these If the magnetic field is as you say cancelled, then there is NO air core induction and no additional source of emf. > two emf sources are in opposing directions for the > same direction of current produced. Now the special > extenuating circumstance here is that just a single > winding loads down the alternator to a significant > degree, since the resistance of the winding is about 4 > times lower then what would be used for maximum energy > transfer, where the loads resistance matches the > internal resistance of the stator winding. Now from > these notes it appears that a 17 volt stator is first > measured at open circuit, where a maximum energy > transfer circuit using 4 winds in series for each > phase would drop this open circuit voltage down to > about 50 % of its open circuit value. Now for the WYE > load connection it is found that the 17 volts open > stator voltage is reduced down to 1 volt when measured > across the WYE segment. Recall that the stator line > current, and the phase amperage are the same thing in > a WYE extraction, but that the stator voltage and the > phase voltage are different by a factor of 1.7, where > here then for a 1 volt extraction in wye, 1.7 volts > should be present on the outside stator voltages, but > instead 5 or 6 volts are present. So it tempting to > assume that without the currents and voltages produced > by induction 6/1.7 volts should be present across the > wye segments, but because induction based voltages > oppose the line coupled ones, what our meter reads is > the net difference or subtraction between these > voltage sources. Now in the case of a Delta extraction > the opposite case applies where now the stator voltage > and phase voltage are the same thing, but the stator > line and phase line amperages differ by a factor of > 1.7. Notes indicate that BOTH the WYE and DELTA > conductions were near 10 amps for the field conditions > which doesnt seem to make sense either. Apparently > when each stator line is wye connected to a single > phase an internal voltage deviation can be observed, > but because of the fact that a delta connection has no > deviation between its stator voltage and phase > voltage, the additional load down caused by this > inductive effect is already included as the net > resultant stator load voltage. What I may have missed > here is the possible measured deviance between the > stator line currents and the phase amperage currents > for the delta extraction, so this will be looked at > again. If both methods produced 10 AMP extractions, > this would mean that for the delta case the stator > line currents should have gone up 1.7 times, which > doesnt sound likely, because the Delta extraction > caused the 17 volt stator to drop to 4 volts, while > the Wye extraction was near 6 volts, indicating that > the Delta extraction loaded down the alternator to a > greater degree. This subject will be studied soon > again... > HDN > > > Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 31 19:46:47 2005 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k013kOrI005743; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:46:29 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k013kLZ4005728; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:46:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:46:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QvxhRliGoEV5LnF2JIjyZpFJmWBgZnXMuUMF8uOtTFYgPxa8C6gYlQSEPxeHyRIkcuXyRxNeb3gsiyulBgsHlEauZTcPPRIeAoatUB9Udix4TFsqaFEX9kmQk9NnFkzXzEBR6qe8x9wnoN/vPO93AXV8F3mdXgqTsTMub7P4+NI= ; Message-ID: <20060101034610.65156.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:46:10 -0800 (PST) From: Harvey Norris Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <74IwAC.A.XZB.NC1tDB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25478 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 150 --- Nanook wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Harvey Norris wrote: > > > > > > > > I think what you're seeing here is less > than > > > magical. You can get MORE > > > current, but if it's not in phase with the > voltage, > > > you have LESS power. > > When the magnetic field component has been > cancelled > > the conduction should come to a value dictated by > ohms > > law. At issue here was a peculiarity noticed in > the > > measurement of WYE vs Delta as single wind pancake > > coils of ~ 36 winds. The extenuating circumstances > > here was that each winding,(50 ft in spiraled > form) > > has almost complete magnetic coupling with its > > adjacently layered phase, thus we have TWO sources > of > > emf on each phase, its ordinary line coupled > > connections made either in wye or delta, AND that > made > > by air core induction. It may actually be that > these > > If the magnetic field is as you say cancelled, > then > there is NO air core induction and no additional > source > of emf. You must be acting as a lawyer then; so facts are facts. A LCR meter is good for some things: it records inductance. In this case for a twin spiralled set of windings as sold by Radio Shack as MegaCable speaker wire of 50 ft, if two sets are employed in series making four windings in series, this makes ~ 2.3 mh. In the case of perfect mutual inductance there is an exponential rise of inductance according to layerings. The mutual inductance factor here is that with just a single wind measured by LCR meter, if the adjacent wind of the set is shorted, the LCR meter itself records this effect of mutual inductance, whereby the presence of the adjacent shorted spiral then acts as a secondary complete draw upon the acting primary of the measured wind, thus acting as a (primitive) air core transformer/ whereby the impedance of the primary is then reduced both by direct example and measured example to show coupling, exactly as occurs in the ordinary ferromagnetic transformer, even though remarkably large copper spirals are used in place of iron saturation paths. The specific argument here about total magnetic cancellation may be invalid, whereby a total vanishing of impedance effect would indeed imply the paradox you have presented here, whereby a lack of magnetic field to produce induction itself negates the Quote secondary currents of the air core transformer. However by that standard then, every ordinary iron based transformer itself illustrates the Aharabonov- Bohn effect near the turn of every year, or Jahren, and cheers for the new year. This is because the use of the iron core is a flux path designated so that the primary flux never touches the secondary flux, but yet it acts accordingly. Just like when Jethro Bodeen of the Beverly Hillbillies went to England, he tried his hand at knighthood... Nastrovia... 2006. Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 10 02:00:32 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A9xuVQ016003; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:59:57 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k0A9xmIB015946; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:59:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:59:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [193.251.135.125] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051223131100.846285B765@amaya2.lis.interhost.com> From: "ali azizi" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:59:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 09:59:40.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[929A5F60:01C615CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25482 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 151 Dear Sir, Merry Christmas and a happy new year! Thanks for your favor in my scientific research, as you know for mutual cooperation and development, I would like to inform you the brief resume as below: My name: Ali Last Name: Azizi asl Date of Birth: April 1958 Resident: Tehran Place of work: Novin Sazan Industrial Group, as manufacturer of resistance welding machine and designing of Industrial Automation. Regarding of product and making a sample of my project, I unfortunately can not process this action because of fiscal problems. Please advice us . Looking forward to hearing form you, I remain with the best regards. Ali Azizi Asl _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 10 07:34:49 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AFUALU030356; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:34:33 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k0AFQ2vQ028755; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:26:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:26:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.92] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051223131100.846285B765@amaya2.lis.interhost.com> From: "ali azizi" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:24:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 15:24:47.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDC2F450:01C615F9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25484 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 152 Dear Sir, Merry Christmas and a happy new year! Thanks for your favor in my scientific research, as you know for mutual cooperation and development, I would like to inform you the brief resume as below: My name: Ali Last Name: Azizi asl Date of Birth: April 1958 Resident: Tehran Place of work: Novin Sazan Industrial Group, as manufacturer of resistance welding machine and designing of Industrial Automation. Regarding of product and making a sample of my project, I unfortunately can not process this action because of fiscal problems. Please advice us . Looking forward to hearing form you, I remain with the best regards. Ali Azizi Asl _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 10 07:34:52 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AFUALW030356; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:34:38 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k0AFPIj6028407; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:25:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:25:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.92] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051223131100.846285B765@amaya2.lis.interhost.com> From: "ali azizi" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:25:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 15:25:06.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[08F21D10:01C615FA] Resent-Message-ID: <7VxdID.A.u7G.dH9wDB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25483 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: RE: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 153 Dear Sir, Merry Christmas and a happy new year! Thanks for your favor in my scientific research, as you know for mutual cooperation and development, I would like to inform you the brief resume as below: My name: Ali Last Name: Azizi asl Date of Birth: April 1958 Resident: Tehran Place of work: Novin Sazan Industrial Group, as manufacturer of resistance welding machine and designing of Industrial Automation. Regarding of product and making a sample of my project, I unfortunately can not process this action because of fiscal problems. Please advice us . Looking forward to hearing form you, I remain with the best regards. Ali Azizi Asl _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 10 07:54:13 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AFrYpC011820; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:53:36 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k0AFrUkU011787; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:53:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:53:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.92] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051223131100.846285B765@amaya2.lis.interhost.com> From: "ali azizi" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:53:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 15:53:11.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[F53EF190:01C615FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25485 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 154 >From: Sérgio Bernardo >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: >Subject: RE: [FG]: new machine (mashan) >Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:36:54 -0000 > >Hi! > >I guess this *new* machine was already very well documented a long time ago >;-) > >There is an article named "How to extract energy directly from a >gravitational field" from Fran de Aquino that used to be on his website: >http://users.elo.com.br/~deaquino/ > >The article is not there anymore, but you can still find a lot a >information >about it in Google... > >http://www.google.pt/search?hl=pt-PT&q=%22How+to+extract+energy+directly+fro >m+a+gravitational+field%22 > > >-- >Sérgio Bernardo > >-----Mensagem original----- >De: ali azizi [mailto:gh_azizi@hotmail.com] >Enviada: segunda-feira, 5 de Dezembro de 2005 15:16 >Para: billb@eskimo.com >Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com >Assunto: [FG]: new machine (mashan) > > >IN THE NAME OF GOD > >Mashan`s Machine is based on earth gravity. >We should neutralize the earth gravity at the half of cylinder. >It makes a torque around the center of cylinder and causes the generation >of >energy and motion. > >The mass of cylinder is m: > > > Effective mass at rotation is m/2: > > > > >M= mr G 2/3 > F =G m/2 > > > >Rotary speed of Cylinder: > >W= > Power of rotary motion: > > P=2/3 mr G > > > > These equations are just some part of equations of >dynamic >no magnetic. > Magnetic field isn"t use in this system and the whole >force are natural. > > > > > > > >With best regard >A. AZIZI > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23-12-2005 > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23-12-2005 > > --Dear Sir, Merry Christmas and a happy new year! Thanks for your favor in my scientific research, as you know for mutual cooperation and development, I would like to inform you the brief resume as below: My name: Ali Last Name: Azizi asl Date of Birth: April 1958 Resident: Tehran Place of work: Novin Sazan Industrial Group, as manufacturer of resistance welding machine and designing of Industrial Automation. Regarding of product and making a sample of my project, I unfortunately can not process this action because of fiscal problems. Please advice us . Looking forward to hearing form you, I remain with the best regards. Ali Azizi Asl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 10 07:58:33 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AFvw8Y015651; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:57:59 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k0AFvuSD015618; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:57:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:57:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.92] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "ali azizi" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:57:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 15:57:41.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[9692D700:01C615FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25486 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 155 Hello, actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem. I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe. One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains. But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ? i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ? Thank you, Best Regards, Alexander C. Gal ----------------------------------------------------- Dear Sir, Merry Christmas and a happy new year! Thanks for your favor in my scientific research, as you know for mutual cooperation and development, I would like to inform you the brief resume as below: My name: Ali Last Name: Azizi asl Date of Birth: April 1958 Resident: Tehran Place of work: Novin Sazan Industrial Group, as manufacturer of resistance welding machine and designing of Industrial Automation. Regarding of product and making a sample of my project, I unfortunately can not process this action because of fiscal problems. Please advice us . Looking forward to hearing form you, I remain with the best regards. Ali Azizi Asl _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 10 08:59:53 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AGxNbx018527; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:59:24 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k0AGxIor018469; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:59:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:59:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:28:58 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: new machine (mashan) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25487 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 156 Well, that's the problem. There are a couple things I don't like about Tom Bearden. One is that he made major changes in his theories somewhere along the line. They contradict some of his earlier writings. He never really explained why the contradictions. The other is that he's so secretive. He never says how to do these things. It almost comes across as mystical. There are supposedly several ways to generate scalar waves. The caduceus coil is one of them. Modulation of a plasma such as a neon bulb is another. As for the methods of generating "Tesla shields" etc, if indeed they are possible and not a figment of an overactive imagination, no one seems to be saying how to do it. I know that using certain ferrites biased with a magnetic field to produce the Barkhausen effect is a way to detect scalar waves because I've built the circuit at: http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/bark.html Bob Shannon, when he was still active in this group, sent me a couple laminations from an old TV transformer that he was using for these experiments. Bob seems to have disappeared, though. I haven't heard from him in years. Zack On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, ali azizi wrote: > Hello, > > actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my > problem. > > I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about > alternative energy sources like zpe. > One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories > are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and > the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory > contains. > > But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these > scalar waves ? > i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. > Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ? > > > Thank you, > Best Regards, > Alexander C. Gal From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 11 18:05:03 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C24Dg0015609; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:04:15 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k0C249QC015555; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:04:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:04:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.220.102.92] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "ali azizi" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:03:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2006 02:03:43.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[69F84800:01C6171C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25488 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 157 Hello, actually I don't know who you are, but I assume that you can help me with my problem. I'm very interessed in physics/mathematics and reading quite a lot about alternative energy sources like zpe. One day I found some articles about a guy called Tom Bearden. His theories are really impressive - at least to me. Especially these scalar waves and the huge amount of new technological possibilities which this theory contains. But there is one thing I don't understand completly... how to create these scalar waves ? i.e. to build such a dome-like "tesla-shield" device. Caduceus coils are not able to create such field configurations, are they ? Thank you, Best Regards, Alexander C. Gal ----------------------------------------------------- Dear Sir, Merry Christmas and a happy new year! Thanks for your favor in my scientific research, as you know for mutual cooperation and development, I would like to inform you the brief resume as below: My name: Ali Last Name: Azizi asl Date of Birth: April 1958 Resident: Tehran Place of work: Novin Sazan Industrial Group, as manufacturer of resistance welding machine and designing of Industrial Automation. Regarding of product and making a sample of my project, I unfortunately can not process this action because of fiscal problems. Please advice us . Looking forward to hearing form you, I remain with the best regards. Ali Azizi Asl _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Thanks for your favor in my scientific research, as you know for mutual cooperation and development, I would like to inform you the brief resume as below: My name: Ali Last Name: Azizi asl Date of Birth: April 1958 Resident: Tehran Place of work: Novin Sazan Industrial Group, as manufacturer of resistance welding machine and designing of Industrial Automation. Regarding of product and making a sample of my project, I unfortunately can not process this action because of fiscal problems. Please advice us . Looking forward to hearing form you, I remain with the best regards. Ali Azizi Asl _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 23 23:13:38 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O7ASmw014972; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:13:23 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k0O72PYR011175; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:02:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:02:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <18061339.1138086142518.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:02:22 -0500 (EST) From: spiritualrc@earthlink.net Reply-To: spiritualrc@earthlink.net To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25490 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: SWS Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 159 Is anybody still working on the Sphere Within a Spere? We were just watching the movie Contact with Jodie Foster. Is that the SWS technology in the Interdimensional transporter? TJH From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 23 23:20:32 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O7EX4c017475; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:14:33 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k0O7EUgA017444; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:14:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:14:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <9560387.1138086867665.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:14:27 -0500 (EST) From: spiritualrc@earthlink.net Reply-To: spiritualrc@earthlink.net To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id k0O7ERWs017415 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25491 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 160 Anybody up on this? HYPERDRIVE RESEARCH >From "NEW SCIENTIST". EVERY year, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics awards prizes for the best papers presented at its annual conference. Last year's winner in the nuclear and future flight category went to a paper calling for experimental tests of an astonishing new type of engine. According to the paper, this hyperdrive motor would propel a craft through another dimension at enormous speeds. It could leave Earth at lunchtime and get to the moon in time for dinner. There's just one catch: the idea relies on an obscure and largely unrecognised kind of physics. Can they possibly be serious? The AIAA is certainly not embarrassed. What's more, the US military has begun to cast its eyes over the hyperdrive concept, and a space propulsion researcher at the US Department of Energy's Sandia National Laboratories has said he would be interested in putting the idea to the test. And despite the bafflement of most physicists at the theory that supposedly underpins it, Pavlos Mikellides, an aerospace engineer at the Arizona State University in Tempe who reviewed the winning paper, stands by the committee's choice. "Even though such features have been explored before, this particular approach is quite unique," he says. Unique it certainly is. If the experiment gets the go-ahead and works, it could reveal new interactions between the fundamental forces of nature that would change the future of space travel. Forget spending six months or more holed up in a rocket on the way to Mars, a round trip on the hyperdrive could take as little as 5 hours. All our worries about astronauts' muscles wasting away or their DNA being irreparably damaged by cosmic radiation would disappear overnight. What's more the device would put travel to the stars within reach for the first time. But can the hyperdrive really get off the ground? ?A hyperdrive craft would put the stars within reach for the first time? The answer to that question hinges on the work of a little-known German physicist. Burkhard Heim began to explore the hyperdrive propulsion concept in the 1950s as a spin-off from his attempts to heal the biggest divide in physics: the rift between quantum mechanics and Einstein's general theory of relativity. Quantum theory describes the realm of the very small - atoms, electrons and elementary particles - while general relativity deals with gravity. The two theories are immensely successful in their separate spheres. The clash arises when it comes to describing the basic structure of space. In general relativity, space-time is an active, malleable fabric. It has four dimensions - three of space and one of time - that deform when masses are placed in them. In Einstein's formulation, the force of gravity is a result of the deformation of these dimensions. Quantum theory, on the other hand, demands that space is a fixed and passive stage, something simply there for particles to exist on. It also suggests that space itself must somehow be made up of discrete, quantum elements. In the early 1950s, Heim began to rewrite the equations of general relativity in a quantum framework. He drew on Einstein's idea that the gravitational force emerges from the dimensions of space and time, but suggested that all fundamental forces, including electromagnetism, might emerge from a new, different set of dimensions. Originally he had four extra dimensions, but he discarded two of them believing that they did not produce any forces, and settled for adding a new two-dimensional "sub-space" onto Einstein's four-dimensional space-time. In Heim's six-dimensional world, the forces of gravity and electromagnetism are coupled together. Even in our familiar four-dimensional world, we can see a link between the two forces through the behaviour of fundamental particles such as the electron. An electron has both mass and charge. When an electron falls under the pull of gravity its moving electric charge creates a magnetic field. And if you use an electromagnetic field to accelerate an electron you move the gravitational field associated with its mass. But in the four dimensions we know, you cannot change the strength of gravity simply by cranking up the electromagnetic field. In Heim's view of space and time, this limitation disappears. He claimed it is possible to convert electromagnetic energy into gravitational and back again, and speculated that a rotating magnetic field could reduce the influence of gravity on a spacecraft enough for it to take off. When he presented his idea in public in 1957, he became an instant celebrity. Wernher von Braun, the German engineer who at the time was leading the Saturn rocket programme that later launched astronauts to the moon, approached Heim about his work and asked whether the expensive Saturn rockets were worthwhile. And in a letter in 1964, the German relativity theorist Pascual Jordan, who had worked with the distinguished physicists Max Born and Werner Heisenberg and was a member of the Nobel committee, told Heim that his plan was so important "that its successful experimental treatment would without doubt make the researcher a candidate for the Nobel prize". But all this attention only led Heim to retreat from the public eye. This was partly because of his severe multiple disabilities, caused by a lab accident when he was still in his teens. But Heim was also reluctant to disclose his theory without an experiment to prove it. He never learned English because he did not want his work to leave the country. As a result, very few people knew about his work and no one came up with the necessary research funding. In 1958 the aerospace company Bölkow did offer some money, but not enough to do the proposed experiment. While Heim waited for more money to come in, the company's director, Ludwig Bölkow, encouraged him to develop his theory further. Heim took his advice, and one of the results was a theorem that led to a series of formulae for calculating the masses of the fundamental particles - something conventional theories have conspicuously failed to achieve. He outlined this work in 1977 in the Max Planck Institute's journal Zeitschrift für Naturforschung, his only peer-reviewed paper. In an abstruse way that few physicists even claim to understand, the formulae work out a particle's mass starting from physical characteristics, such as its charge and angular momentum. Yet the theorem has proved surprisingly powerful. The standard model of physics, which is generally accepted as the best available theory of elementary particles, is incapable of predicting a particle's mass. Even the accepted means of estimating mass theoretically, known as lattice quantum chromodynamics, only gets to between 1 and 10 per cent of the experimental values. Gravity reduction But in 1982, when researchers at the German Electron Synchrotron (DESY) in Hamburg implemented Heim's mass theorem in a computer program, it predicted masses of fundamental particles that matched the measured values to within the accuracy of experimental error. If they are let down by anything, it is the precision to which we know the values of the fundamental constants. Two years after Heim's death in 2001, his long-term collaborator Illobrand von Ludwiger calculated the mass formula using a more accurate gravitational constant. "The masses came out even more precise," he says. After publishing the mass formulae, Heim never really looked at hyperspace propulsion again. Instead, in response to requests for more information about the theory behind the mass predictions, he spent all his time detailing his ideas in three books published in German. It was only in 1980, when the first of his books came to the attention of a retired Austrian patent officer called Walter Dröscher, that the hyperspace propulsion idea came back to life. Dröscher looked again at Heim's ideas and produced an "extended" version, resurrecting the dimensions that Heim originally discarded. The result is "Heim-Dröscher space", a mathematical description of an eight-dimensional universe. >From this, Dröscher claims, you can derive the four forces known in physics: the gravitational and electromagnetic forces, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. But there's more to it than that. "If Heim's picture is to make sense," Dröscher says, "we are forced to postulate two more fundamental forces." These are, Dröscher claims, related to the familiar gravitational force: one is a repulsive anti-gravity similar to the dark energy that appears to be causing the universe's expansion to accelerate. And the other might be used to accelerate a spacecraft without any rocket fuel. This force is a result of the interaction of Heim's fifth and sixth dimensions and the extra dimensions that Dröscher introduced. It produces pairs of "gravitophotons", particles that mediate the interconversion of electromagnetic and gravitational energy. Dröscher teamed up with Jochem Häuser, a physicist and professor of computer science at the University of Applied Sciences in Salzgitter, Germany, to turn the theoretical framework into a proposal for an experimental test. The paper they produced, "Guidelines for a space propulsion device based on Heim's quantum theory", is what won the AIAA's award last year. Claims of the possibility of "gravity reduction" or "anti-gravity" induced by magnetic fields have been investigated by NASA before (New Scientist, 12 January 2002, p 24). But this one, Dröscher insists, is different. "Our theory is not about anti-gravity. It's about completely new fields with new properties," he says. And he and Häuser have suggested an experiment to prove it. This will require a huge rotating ring placed above a superconducting coil to create an intense magnetic field. With a large enough current in the coil, and a large enough magnetic field, Dröscher claims the electromagnetic force can reduce the gravitational pull on the ring to the point where it floats free. Dröscher and Häuser say that to completely counter Earth's pull on a 150-tonne spacecraft a magnetic field of around 25 tesla would be needed. While that's 500,000 times the strength of Earth's magnetic field, pulsed magnets briefly reach field strengths up to 80 tesla. And Dröscher and Häuser go further. With a faster-spinning ring and an even stronger magnetic field, gravitophotons would interact with conventional gravity to produce a repulsive anti-gravity force, they suggest. ?A spinning ring and a strong magnetic field could produce a repulsive anti-gravity force? Dröscher is hazy about the details, but he suggests that a spacecraft fitted with a coil and ring could be propelled into a multidimensional hyperspace. Here the constants of nature could be different, and even the speed of light could be several times faster than we experience. If this happens, it would be possible to reach Mars in less than 3 hours and a star 11 light years away in only 80 days, Dröscher and Häuser say. So is this all fanciful nonsense, or a revolution in the making? The majority of physicists have never heard of Heim theory, and most of those contacted by New Scientist said they couldn't make sense of Dröscher and Häuser's description of the theory behind their proposed experiment. Following Heim theory is hard work even without Dröscher's extension, says Markus Pössel, a theoretical physicist at the Max Planck Institute for Gravitational Physics in Potsdam, Germany. Several years ago, while an undergraduate at the University of Hamburg, he took a careful look at Heim theory. He says he finds it "largely incomprehensible", and difficult to tie in with today's physics. "What is needed is a step-by-step introduction, beginning at modern physical concepts," he says. The general consensus seems to be that Dröscher and Häuser's theory is incomplete at best, and certainly extremely difficult to follow. And it has not passed any normal form of peer review, a fact that surprised the AIAA prize reviewers when they made their decision. "It seemed to be quite developed and ready for such publication," Mikellides told New Scientist. At the moment, the main reason for taking the proposal seriously must be Heim theory's uncannily successful prediction of particle masses. Maybe, just maybe, Heim theory really does have something to contribute to modern physics. "As far as I understand it, Heim theory is ingenious," says Hans Theodor Auerbach, a theoretical physicist at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich who worked with Heim. "I think that physics will take this direction in the future." It may be a long while before we find out if he's right. In its present design, Dröscher and Häuser's experiment requires a magnetic coil several metres in diameter capable of sustaining an enormous current density. Most engineers say that this is not feasible with existing materials and technology, but Roger Lenard, a space propulsion researcher at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico thinks it might just be possible. Sandia runs an X-ray generator known as the Z machine which "could probably generate the necessary field intensities and gradients". For now, though, Lenard considers the theory too shaky to justify the use of the Z machine. "I would be very interested in getting Sandia interested if we could get a more perspicacious introduction to the mathematics behind the proposed experiment," he says. "Even if the results are negative, that, in my mind, is a successful experiment." >From issue 2533 of New Scientist magazine, 05 January 2006, page 24 Who was Burkhard Heim? Burkhard Heim had a remarkable life. Born in 1925 in Potsdam, Germany, he decided at the age of 6 that he wanted to become a rocket scientist. He disguised his designs in code so that no one could discover his secret. And in the cellar of his parents' house, he experimented with high explosives. But this was to lead to disaster. Towards the end of the second world war, he worked as an explosives developer, and an accident in 1944 in which a device exploded in his hands left him permanently disabled. He lost both his forearms, along with 90 per cent of his hearing and eyesight. After the war, he attended university in Göttingen to study physics. The idea of propelling a spacecraft using quantum mechanics rather than rocket fuel led him to study general relativity and quantum mechanics. It took an enormous effort. From 1948, his father and wife replaced his senses, spending hours reading papers and transcribing his calculations onto paper. And he developed a photographic memory. Supporters of Heim theory claim that it is a panacea for the troubles in modern physics. They say it unites quantum mechanics and general relativity, can predict the masses of the building blocks of matter from first principles, and can even explain the state of the universe 13.7 billion years ago. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 7 09:00:34 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17H09YO028375; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:00:10 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k17GkMIE019477; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:46:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:46:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.112.88] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:46:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2006 16:45:58.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8F06300:01C62C05] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25492 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 161 All hail! let's continue the discussion - I've talked to several physicists and read some papers about scalar fields, zpf, casimir effect, free energy, etc.... The formulas which can be found on http://home.wanadoo.nl/raccoon/ seem to be plausable. And JNLLabs has made many experiments on this subject. All of them succeeded. If he ( jean-louis ) doesn't lie, scalar fields are real. Therefore all technologies claimed by Bearden _are_ __real__. I'm somehow desperate, because it would be so simple to build free energy devices, shielding devices, and much more damn cool things :) There are only two possibilites : 1. All governments are trying to hide all these things, and contemporary mainstream physicists are afraid of being killed or called to be insane. 2. The complete scalar waves theory is just bullshit. What do you think ? Or what should happen to convince you that these things are real ? Kind Regards, Alexander From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 7 13:04:54 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L4Yud016762; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:04:34 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k17L4Vhs016745; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:04:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:04:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAEaV6ENAhxAs Message-ID: <001401c62c2a$0dee7de0$d34b2a50@05050Q6XOYG76X> From: "Bob Vincent2" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:04:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 Disposition-Notification-To: "Bob Vincent2" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <1VuMdB.A.kFE.ftQ6DB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25493 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 162 Alexander Dear Sir Glad to recieve your Email on the biggest subject on humanitys agenda. For 30 years or so my mind has at different times being updated on energy and efficiancy and only in the last three years have I got round to thinking about ZPE. I have built Harold Aspdens oscillator using radial capacitors and have not had any success. I then read some more and bought some books by Moray B King, they are very good and I am inclined to follow his lead and concentrate on the Moray / Perreault system as it is the most witnessed device of its OU type. I too met a physics proffessor recently and he had never heard of ZPE so I can't see him shouting from the rooftops to his collegues.! 1. You can bet that if there is a cover-up then ZPE is a reality and if so there are some big games of poker going on with all our future energy needs. 2. If ZPE does not exist then we experimenters will just be a statistic of invisible goals seekers. 3. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Are you realy pessimistic about ZPE or are just looking for reassurance?. Look forward to further discussions. Regards Bob Vincent. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > All hail! > > let's continue the discussion - > I've talked to several physicists and read some papers about scalar > fields, zpf, casimir effect, free energy, etc.... > > The formulas which can be found on http://home.wanadoo.nl/raccoon/ seem to > be plausable. > And JNLLabs has made many experiments on this subject. All of them > succeeded. > If he ( jean-louis ) doesn't lie, scalar fields are real. > Therefore all technologies claimed by Bearden _are_ __real__. > > I'm somehow desperate, because it would be so simple to build free energy > devices, shielding devices, and much more damn cool things :) > > There are only two possibilites : > 1. All governments are trying to hide all these things, and contemporary > mainstream physicists are afraid of being killed or called to be insane. > > 2. The complete scalar waves theory is just bullshit. > > > What do you think ? Or what should happen to convince you that these > things are real ? > > > > Kind Regards, > Alexander > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 7 13:30:34 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17LUAHO028596; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:30:11 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k17LU6Le028558; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:30:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:30:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.112.88] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: <001401c62c2a$0dee7de0$d34b2a50@05050Q6XOYG76X> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:30:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2006 21:29:59.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[A60C1D00:01C62C2D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25494 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 163 Dear Bob, >> ..... the biggest subject on humanitys agenda. << Or the biggest mistake ever made. ;) >> 1. You can bet that if there is a cover-up then ZPE is a reality and >> if so there are some big games of poker going on with all our future energy needs. << Zero Point Energy is a part of mainstream science as far as I know ? It's a direct result of quantum mechanics, and the uncertainty principle. Therefore it's out of discussion whether zpe exists or not. The main big question is : How to tap this mind-boggling source of energy ? According to a calculation of some physicists at NASA, the ZPF energy density down to planck length in one qubic centimeter of vacuum equals 10^90 Joule of energy (!!!!!) Thats enough energy to boil away the worlds' oceans in a few seconds! Zero point energy, and vacuum fluctuations are experimentally proven by the casimir effect. You can find quite a lot information about this topic on wikipedia. They even have some good equations. >> Are you realy pessimistic about ZPE or are just looking for reassurance? >> << I'm neither pessimistic about the existance of ZPE nor about the possibility of tapping it. But one thing I don't believe in, is tapping this inexhaustible source of energy using primitive mechanical technology, like some "free-energy-device-inventors" usually use. >> I have built Harold Aspdens oscillator using radial capacitors and have >> not had any success. << Interesting! Could you tell us more about it,please ? ( A tiny protocol of how you did it, etc... ; Maybe one of us will find the mistake ) Kind Regards, Alexander From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 7 14:59:23 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Mx1FT001934; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:59:01 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k17MwxMT001912; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:58:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:58:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Mark Jordan" Organization: attached To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:58:28 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Message-ID: <43E909F4.32749.78D088C@enki.cpovo.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001401c62c2a$0dee7de0$d34b2a50@05050Q6XOYG76X> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Authenticated-Sender: enki@cpovo.net X-Spam-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:10:35 -0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on 192.168.7.108 does not match 200.203.33.191 X-MDRemoteIP: 200.203.33.191 X-Return-Path: enki@cpovo.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-MDAV-Processed: teta.cpovo.net, Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:10:38 -0200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25495 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 164 On 7 Feb 2006 at 21:04, Bob Vincent2 wrote: > I have built Harold Aspdens oscillator using radial capacitors and > have not had any success. Me too and some other. Lately I have read some text from Dr. Aspden telling that he himself didn't get his device to work too... BTW, his device seems to be very related to the Hendershot generator. > I then read some more and bought some books by Moray B King, they > are very good and I am inclined to follow his lead and concentrate > on the Moray / Perreault system as it is the most witnessed device > of its OU type. Moray, yes. The other not. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 7 23:14:15 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k187DrYC018495; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:13:53 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k187Dg7W018423; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:13:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:13:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <001701c62c80$3da38340$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: <001401c62c2a$0dee7de0$d34b2a50@05050Q6XOYG76X> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:21:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C62C4D.F2599960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4Cdns.A.kfE.loZ6DB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25496 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 165 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C62C4D.F2599960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Friends I just wanted to make a comment about the following paragragh, my = comment well follow the paragragh. I'm neither pessimistic about the existance of ZPE nor about the = possibility=20 of tapping it. But one thing I don't believe in, is tapping this inexhaustible source = of=20 energy using primitive mechanical technology, like some=20 "free-energy-device-inventors" usually use. Regarding (primitive mechanical technology) : The Wright Brothers flight equpment was rather primitive compared to the = flight equipment of today. The best equipment along with the Cuting Edge-New & Improved Phisics is = under lock and key in the black opps groups. So, us commoners are on our own. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation >=20 > Dear Bob, >=20 > >> ..... the biggest subject on humanitys agenda. << > Or the biggest mistake ever made. ;) >=20 > >> 1. You can bet that if there is a cover-up then ZPE is a reality = and=20 > >> if > so there are some big games of poker going on with all our future = energy > needs. << >=20 > Zero Point Energy is a part of mainstream science as far as I know ? = It's a=20 > direct result of quantum mechanics, and the uncertainty principle. = Therefore=20 > it's out of discussion whether zpe exists or not. > The main big question is : How to tap this mind-boggling source of = energy ? > According to a calculation of some physicists at NASA, the ZPF energy=20 > density down to planck length in one qubic centimeter of vacuum equals = 10^90=20 > Joule of energy (!!!!!) Thats enough energy to boil away the worlds' = oceans=20 > in a few seconds! > Zero point energy, and vacuum fluctuations are experimentally proven = by the=20 > casimir effect. > You can find quite a lot information about this topic on wikipedia. = They=20 > even have some good equations. >=20 > >> Are you realy pessimistic about ZPE or are just looking for = reassurance?=20 > >> << > I'm neither pessimistic about the existance of ZPE nor about the = possibility=20 > of tapping it. > But one thing I don't believe in, is tapping this inexhaustible source = of=20 > energy using primitive mechanical technology, like some=20 > "free-energy-device-inventors" usually use. >=20 > >> I have built Harold Aspdens oscillator using radial capacitors and = have=20 > >> not > had any success. << > Interesting! Could you tell us more about it,please ? ( A tiny = protocol of=20 > how you did it, etc... ; Maybe one of us will find the mistake ) >=20 > Kind Regards, > Alexander >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C62C4D.F2599960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hi=20 Friends
I just wanted to = make a comment=20 about the following paragragh, my comment well follow the=20 paragragh.
 
I'm neither pessimistic about the = existance of ZPE=20 nor about the possibility
of tapping it.
But one thing I don't = believe=20 in, is tapping this inexhaustible source of
energy = using primitive mechanical technology, like some=20
"free-energy-device-inventors" usually=20 use.
 
Regarding (primitive = mechanical=20 technology) :
 
The Wright Brothers = flight=20 equpment was rather primitive compared to the flight equipment of=20 today.
 
The best equipment = along with=20 the Cuting Edge-New & Improved Phisics is under lock and key = in the=20 black opps groups.
 
So, us = commoners are=20 on our own.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander C. Gal" <exan_@hotmail.com>
To: <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field=20 creation

>
> Dear Bob,
>
> >> .....  = the biggest=20 subject on humanitys agenda. <<
> Or the biggest mistake = ever made.=20 ;)
>
> >> 1.    You can bet that if = there is a=20 cover-up then ZPE is a reality and
> >> if
> so there = are=20 some big games of poker going on with all our future energy
> = needs.=20 <<
>
> Zero Point Energy is a part of mainstream = science as=20 far as I know ? It's a
> direct result of quantum mechanics, and = the=20 uncertainty principle. Therefore
> it's out of discussion whether = zpe=20 exists or not.
> The main big question is : How to tap this = mind-boggling=20 source of energy ?
> According to a calculation of some physicists = at=20 NASA, the ZPF energy
> density down to planck length in one qubic = centimeter of vacuum equals 10^90
> Joule of energy (!!!!!) Thats = enough=20 energy to boil away the worlds' oceans
> in a few = seconds!
> Zero=20 point energy, and vacuum fluctuations are experimentally proven by the =
>=20 casimir effect.
> You can find quite a lot information about this = topic on=20 wikipedia. They
> even have some good equations.
>
> = >> Are you realy pessimistic about ZPE or are just looking for=20 reassurance?
> >> <<
> I'm neither pessimistic = about=20 the existance of ZPE nor about the possibility
> of tapping = it.
>=20 But one thing I don't believe in, is tapping this inexhaustible source = of=20
> energy using primitive mechanical technology, like some =
>=20 "free-energy-device-inventors" usually use.
>
> >> I = have=20 built Harold Aspdens oscillator using radial capacitors and have =
>=20 >> not
> had any success. <<
> Interesting! = Could you=20 tell us more about it,please ? ( A tiny protocol of
> how you did = it,=20 etc... ; Maybe one of us will find the mistake )
>
> Kind=20 Regards,
> Alexander
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C62C4D.F2599960-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 7 23:25:37 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k187PVtV017581; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:25:31 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k187PP5A017569; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:25:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:25:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:25:21 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: <001701c62c80$3da38340$82976144@ok.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <2DSUZB.A.aSE.kzZ6DB@ultra7.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25497 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 166 I think the point is though that through relatively simple mechanical means you may not be able to extract ZPE. There are some that suggest you may not be able to extract ZPE at all. I'm of the general belief that most physics that are possible are demonstrated somewhere in this vast universe we're part of. Are there any natural energy sources that appear to be extracting energy from ZPE? As I understand it, ZPE offsets provides an expansive force to the cosmos that offsets the gravitational force that wants to collapse the universe. If some natural process was extracting energy from the ZPE field, then we'd expect to see the expansion of the universe slowing, instead it appears to be increasing. Not really a ZPE extraction but a device I read about a while back but haven't heard anything recently was a chip that had an array of diodes that were supposed to be capable of operating at millimeter wavelengths thereby converting thermal energy in the environment into a DC electrical current. The obvious arguments against such a device is the 2nd law of thermodynamics and in more practical terms creating a diode that will operate at millimeter wavelength frequencies (terrahertz range), and thermal energy at that wavelength will represent a very small voltage across the wavelength involved, so you'd need a diode with a very small band gap and I'm not sure any such practical materials exist. I wasn't clear from what I heard if this thing was ever even prototyped. Anybody heard of this? -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:21:11 -0600 > From: Randy E Hargraves > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:13:42 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Hi Friends > I just wanted to make a comment about the following paragragh, my comment well follow the paragragh. > > I'm neither pessimistic about the existance of ZPE nor about the possibility > of tapping it. > But one thing I don't believe in, is tapping this inexhaustible source of > energy using primitive mechanical technology, like some > "free-energy-device-inventors" usually use. > > > Regarding (primitive mechanical technology) : > > The Wright Brothers flight equpment was rather primitive compared to the flight equipment of today. > > The best equipment along with the Cuting Edge-New & Improved Phisics is under lock and key in the black opps groups. > > So, us commoners are on our own. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexander C. Gal" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > > > > Dear Bob, > > > > >> ..... the biggest subject on humanitys agenda. << > > Or the biggest mistake ever made. ;) > > > > >> 1. You can bet that if there is a cover-up then ZPE is a reality and > > >> if > > so there are some big games of poker going on with all our future energy > > needs. << > > > > Zero Point Energy is a part of mainstream science as far as I know ? It's a > > direct result of quantum mechanics, and the uncertainty principle. Therefore > > it's out of discussion whether zpe exists or not. > > The main big question is : How to tap this mind-boggling source of energy ? > > According to a calculation of some physicists at NASA, the ZPF energy > > density down to planck length in one qubic centimeter of vacuum equals 10^90 > > Joule of energy (!!!!!) Thats enough energy to boil away the worlds' oceans > > in a few seconds! > > Zero point energy, and vacuum fluctuations are experimentally proven by the > > casimir effect. > > You can find quite a lot information about this topic on wikipedia. They > > even have some good equations. > > > > >> Are you realy pessimistic about ZPE or are just looking for reassurance? > > >> << > > I'm neither pessimistic about the existance of ZPE nor about the possibility > > of tapping it. > > But one thing I don't believe in, is tapping this inexhaustible source of > > energy using primitive mechanical technology, like some > > "free-energy-device-inventors" usually use. > > > > >> I have built Harold Aspdens oscillator using radial capacitors and have > > >> not > > had any success. << > > Interesting! Could you tell us more about it,please ? ( A tiny protocol of > > how you did it, etc... ; Maybe one of us will find the mistake ) > > > > Kind Regards, > > Alexander > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 9 16:40:02 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A0dcq1011496; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:39:39 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1A0dU1d011456; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:39:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:39:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000301c62dda$e233bdc0$3507573a@JohnandDel> From: "John Mount" To: References: <001401c62c2a$0dee7de0$d34b2a50@05050Q6XOYG76X> Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:38:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at matilda.net.au Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25498 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 167 CONTINUING THE ZPE CONVERSATION: I have a background in the Electricity Supply Industry, and during my work which often brought me into contact with generators/dynamos etc., I have seen some of these devices that have been in service nearly 100 years or more. This has often caused me to wonder why the coil wire in these generators has never greatly deteriorated/annealed during all those years of service! Further thought along this line also made me wonder where the electrons keep coming from that are allegedly pulled out of the copper wire coils of the generator and sent to a load, with admittedly some returning to their generating source but most being used up in the load! Are these electrons being drawn into the coils from the ZPE, from the atmosphere, or are they being created by the magnets? Where ever they are being taken from - methinks this source is unlimited!! Regards, John M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Vincent2" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Alexander > Dear Sir > Glad to recieve your Email on the biggest subject on humanitys agenda. For > 30 years or so my mind has at different times being updated on energy and > efficiancy and only in the last three years have I got round to thinking > about ZPE. > I have built Harold Aspdens oscillator using radial capacitors and have not > had any success. I then read some more and bought some books by Moray B > King, they are very good and I am inclined to follow his lead and > concentrate on the Moray / Perreault system as it is the most witnessed > device of its OU type. > I too met a physics proffessor recently and he had never heard of ZPE so I > can't see him shouting from the rooftops to his collegues.! > 1. You can bet that if there is a cover-up then ZPE is a reality and if > so there are some big games of poker going on with all our future energy > needs. > > 2. If ZPE does not exist then we experimenters will just be a statistic > of invisible goals seekers. > > 3. Nothing ventured nothing gained. > Are you realy pessimistic about ZPE or are just looking for reassurance?. > > Look forward to further discussions. > Regards > Bob Vincent. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexander C. Gal" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > > All hail! > > > > let's continue the discussion - > > I've talked to several physicists and read some papers about scalar > > fields, zpf, casimir effect, free energy, etc.... > > > > The formulas which can be found on http://home.wanadoo.nl/raccoon/ seem to > > be plausable. > > And JNLLabs has made many experiments on this subject. All of them > > succeeded. > > If he ( jean-louis ) doesn't lie, scalar fields are real. > > Therefore all technologies claimed by Bearden _are_ __real__. > > > > I'm somehow desperate, because it would be so simple to build free energy > > devices, shielding devices, and much more damn cool things :) > > > > There are only two possibilites : > > 1. All governments are trying to hide all these things, and contemporary > > mainstream physicists are afraid of being killed or called to be insane. > > > > 2. The complete scalar waves theory is just bullshit. > > > > > > What do you think ? Or what should happen to convince you that these > > things are real ? > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > Alexander > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 7/02/06 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 9 16:47:21 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A0lDNx013764; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:47:14 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1A0l9to013750; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:47:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:47:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:47:07 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: <000301c62dda$e233bdc0$3507573a@JohnandDel> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25499 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 168 Electrons aren't "used up" by the load. Any number of electrons leaving one end of the coil are replaced by a corrosponding number entering the other end through the circuit. Actually in an AC circuit they may not even travel through the entire circuit before the polarity and direction of travel reverses. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, John Mount wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:38:30 +1000 > From: John Mount > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:39:30 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > CONTINUING THE ZPE CONVERSATION: > > I have a background in the Electricity Supply Industry, and during my work > which > often brought me into contact with generators/dynamos etc., I have seen some > of > these devices that have been in service nearly 100 years or more. This has > often caused me to wonder why the coil wire in these generators has never > greatly deteriorated/annealed during all those years of service! > > Further thought along this line also made me wonder where the electrons keep > coming from that are allegedly pulled out of the copper wire coils of the > generator > and sent to a load, with admittedly some returning to their generating > source but most being used up in the load! > > Are these electrons being drawn into the coils from the ZPE, from the > atmosphere, > or are they being created by the magnets? > > Where ever they are being taken from - methinks this source is unlimited!! > > Regards, > > John M. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Vincent2" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:04 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > > Alexander > > Dear Sir > > Glad to recieve your Email on the biggest subject on humanitys agenda. For > > 30 years or so my mind has at different times being updated on energy and > > efficiancy and only in the last three years have I got round to thinking > > about ZPE. > > I have built Harold Aspdens oscillator using radial capacitors and have > not > > had any success. I then read some more and bought some books by Moray B > > King, they are very good and I am inclined to follow his lead and > > concentrate on the Moray / Perreault system as it is the most witnessed > > device of its OU type. > > I too met a physics proffessor recently and he had never heard of ZPE so I > > can't see him shouting from the rooftops to his collegues.! > > 1. You can bet that if there is a cover-up then ZPE is a reality and if > > so there are some big games of poker going on with all our future energy > > needs. > > > > 2. If ZPE does not exist then we experimenters will just be a statistic > > of invisible goals seekers. > > > > 3. Nothing ventured nothing gained. > > Are you realy pessimistic about ZPE or are just looking for reassurance?. > > > > Look forward to further discussions. > > Regards > > Bob Vincent. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alexander C. Gal" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > > > > > All hail! > > > > > > let's continue the discussion - > > > I've talked to several physicists and read some papers about scalar > > > fields, zpf, casimir effect, free energy, etc.... > > > > > > The formulas which can be found on http://home.wanadoo.nl/raccoon/ seem > to > > > be plausable. > > > And JNLLabs has made many experiments on this subject. All of them > > > succeeded. > > > If he ( jean-louis ) doesn't lie, scalar fields are real. > > > Therefore all technologies claimed by Bearden _are_ __real__. > > > > > > I'm somehow desperate, because it would be so simple to build free > energy > > > devices, shielding devices, and much more damn cool things :) > > > > > > There are only two possibilites : > > > 1. All governments are trying to hide all these things, and contemporary > > > mainstream physicists are afraid of being killed or called to be insane. > > > > > > 2. The complete scalar waves theory is just bullshit. > > > > > > > > > What do you think ? Or what should happen to convince you that these > > > things are real ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > Alexander > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 7/02/06 > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 10 07:15:38 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AFFIRf017100; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:15:19 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1AFFAst017046; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:15:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:15:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 10 Feb 2006 15:08:01 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Wicaksono S." To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:08:04 +0700 Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation X-Originating-Ip: 202.53.251.26 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060210150804.DD629CA0C5@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id k1AFF86W016994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25500 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 169 Dear John, since you have a background in power electric, maybe you can confirm if the "DC anomalies" in this article http://educate-yourself.org/fe/radiantenergystory.shtml is true / false ? Thanks. Wicaksono > CONTINUING THE ZPE CONVERSATION: > > I have a background in the Electricity Supply Industry, and during my work > which > often brought me into contact with generators/dynamos etc., I have seen some > of > these devices that have been in service nearly 100 years or more. This has > often caused me to wonder why the coil wire in these generators has never > greatly deteriorated/annealed during all those years of service! > > Further thought along this line also made me wonder where the electrons keep > coming from that are allegedly pulled out of the copper wire coils of the > generator > and sent to a load, with admittedly some returning to their generating > source but most being used up in the load! > > Are these electrons being drawn into the coils from the ZPE, from the > atmosphere, > or are they being created by the magnets? > > Where ever they are being taken from - methinks this source is unlimited!! > > Regards, > > John M. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 11 03:00:51 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BB0VPm004766; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:00:32 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1BB0NIj004695; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:00:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:00:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.113.52] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:43:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2006 10:43:14.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[F62816A0:01C62EF7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25501 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 170 Last night I had a quite cool idea ^^ : In a transformator the coils are coupled magnetically, and usually there cannot be an over-unity effect. But what would happen, if the two sides of the circuit were coupled acoustically ? i.e. by piezoelectric crystals ? In the casimir effect, the plates are pushed together by the casimir force. This force appears when the vacuum gets polarized. in the case of the casimir effect, the plates are creating a kind of "em-wave-barrier" which polarizes the vacuum between and around them. SiO2 ( simple quartz/silica ) is used to build piezoelectric transducers and aerogel materials. Now - Inside these aerogel materials are tiny nano-bubbles. Usually the casimir effect should appear inside the bubbles when the silica aerogel is put into high-vacuum. The casimir force inside the bubbles would cause a force difference on the piezoelectric material. In my thought experiment the complete aerogel crystal would be under a permanent resonation and positively polarized..... Could this work ? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 01:22:16 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D9M76V017962; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:22:07 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1D9M3Zs017953; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:22:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:22:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25502 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 171 On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:43:30 +0100 > From: Alexander C. Gal > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:00:23 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > In the casimir effect, the plates are pushed together by the casimir force. > This force appears when the vacuum gets polarized. in the case of the > casimir effect, the plates are creating a kind of "em-wave-barrier" which > polarizes the vacuum between and around them. This is an incorrect understanding of the Casimir effect. Virtual radiation involves a wide range of frequencies, but any wavelengths that are longer than the distance between the plates are excluded from existing between them. Since more frequencies exist outside the plates than in, there is more radiation pressure from the virtual radiation outside the plates and thus more pressure causing the plates to want to go together. The closer the plates, the more frequencies are excluded, and the greater the force. I don't mean to discourage your experiments, but understanding the force you are experiementing with will increase your chances of success. I wonder if a solid state device wouldn't be possible where by you have parallel lines of semi-conductive material seperated by insulators, where the semi-conductive lines could be made conductive thereby excluding the wavelengths of virtual radiation that are longer than their seperation and then non-conductive, thereby allowing it, and that alternating force then used to drive electrons or ions to generate a current. Just a thought. Well, anyway good luck with your experiements, I hope someone finds a way to extract energy from the virtual energy field; and get it out before the oil companies can kill it or them, but I'm not optimistic. Still I think it's not prohibited by physics, after all the entire universe seems to have come into existance from a vacuum fluctuation if you buy the big-bang theory (which I really don't but that's another story). Aside from the possible creation of the universe; another example of nature extracting energy from vacuum quantum fluctuations is hawking radiation. You have a black hole, on the event horizon you have virtual particles or radiation popping into existance; either a particle anti-particle pair, or two photons. In either case right on the event horizon, one will be swallowed up by the black hole never to be seen again, the other escapes into space never to be annihilated by recombining with it's partner because it's been swallowed by the black hole, so in this case the virtual photon or particle has been transformed into a real particle or photon. So if nature can do it we ought to be able to figure out a way, though building blackholes seems to be at best a very expensive proposition. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 06:54:39 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DEsA31004012; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:54:14 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DErloH003815; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:53:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:53:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MF08JkoMzX84pyyS2RWX4KWVDHvDPt4oomNmPxFFwevgPvdBBhBUEcNvE4UNEielhS9ymI8/LzVsAtJsW13fy2vssV0C+gVwkXcOMZZMhu7qykoEZW4LfDtDL4wau6sNXOZ8dGca4LeX0l1Qc8lUkptO5QeYCXwusFHp0jA2WeY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:53:43 -0600 From: Dan Chadwick Sender: dsanco@gmail.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3189_24482369.1139842423382" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25503 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 172 ------=_Part_3189_24482369.1139842423382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Is this saying that black holes are virtual, or rather made up of anti-particles, being that is what is being sucked in? > --example of nature extracting energy from vacuum quantum fluctuations is > hawking radiation. > You have a black hole, on the event horizon you have virtual particles or > radiation popping into existance; either a particle anti-particle pair, o= r > two > photons. 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------=_Part_3189_24482369.1139842423382-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 12:34:16 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DKXvtj021007; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:33:58 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DKXsJj020985; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:33:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:33:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:33:52 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25504 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 173 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Dan Chadwick wrote: > > Is this saying that black holes are virtual, or rather made up of > anti-particles, being that is what is being sucked in? Not necessarily, when a particle/antiparticle pair forms at the event horizon, it's random chance which gets sucked in and which escapes. > > --example of nature extracting energy from vacuum quantum fluctuations is > > hawking radiation. > > You have a black hole, on the event horizon you have virtual particles or > > radiation popping into existance; either a particle anti-particle pair, or > > two > > photons. In either case right on the event horizon, one will be swallowed > > up > > by the black hole never to be seen again, the other escapes into space > > never to > > be annihilated by recombining with it's partner because it's been > > swallowed by > > the black hole, so in this case the virtual photon or particle has been > > transformed into a real particle or photon. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 12:49:23 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DKmtN0029311; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:48:57 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DKmi5M029130; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.78.21] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:48:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 20:48:42.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFEA3920:01C630DE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25505 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 174 >> Is this saying that black holes are virtual, or rather made up of >> anti-particles, being that is what is being sucked in? > Not necessarily, when a particle/antiparticle pair forms at the event > horizon, it's random chance which gets sucked in and which escapes. good point. But according to your answer, black holes would create negative energy ? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 12:58:33 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DKwMSA024073; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:58:23 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DKwMmH024068; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:58:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:58:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:58:20 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25506 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 175 One would expect them to create particles and anti-particles in equal proportion. But I don't know that the huge discrepency in matter/anti-matter abundance in the universe has ever been adequately addressed. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:48:46 +0100 > From: Alexander C. Gal > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > >> Is this saying that black holes are virtual, or rather made up of > >> anti-particles, being that is what is being sucked in? > > Not necessarily, when a particle/antiparticle pair forms at the event > > horizon, it's random chance which gets sucked in and which escapes. > > good point. But according to your answer, black holes would create negative > energy ? > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 13:19:13 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DLIii4015852; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:18:45 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DLIZ9i015783; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:18:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:18:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.78.21] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:18:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 21:18:33.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BB52C50:01C630E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25507 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 176 > One would expect them to create particles and anti-particles in equal > proportion. > But I don't know that the huge discrepency in matter/anti-matter > abundance in the universe has ever been adequately addressed. no it hasn't ... it's still unknown where the anti-matter is. Contemporary physicists assume that the same amount of anti-matter like matter were produced at the big-bang. However - I don't really believe in the big-bang theory. It simply doesn't makes sense. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 13:51:32 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DLpMTP028166; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:51:22 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DLpJrF028153; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:51:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:51:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:51:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25508 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 177 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:18:37 +0100 > From: Alexander C. Gal > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:18:35 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > One would expect them to create particles and anti-particles in equal > > proportion. > > > But I don't know that the huge discrepency in matter/anti-matter > > abundance in the universe has ever been adequately addressed. > > no it hasn't ... it's still unknown where the anti-matter is. > Contemporary physicists assume that the same amount of anti-matter like > matter were produced at the big-bang. However - I don't really believe in > the big-bang theory. It simply doesn't makes sense. Some years ago, I read a book called, "The Big Bang Never Happened", which argued for a steady state universe, and in my view it was a pretty solid argument. Then I saw the deep field hubble pictures showing early galaxies that were perhaps only a billion years old, and it was pointed out how strikingly different they were from modern galaxies. And I began to think, I guess there must be some truth to the big bang because clearly there has been significant evolution in the universe. But then I saw pictures taken in the deep infrared with a newer space based telescope, maybe Spitzer, not sure which one, of these early galaxies and they looked just like modern galaxies. Then I realized the hubble pictures I was looking at, those visible light deep field photographs, that's visible light here and now but it's been hugely red-shifted and started out as extreme ultraviolet light, so what I was actually seeing in those hubble pictures wasn't significantly malformed galaxies, relative todays, I was only seeing the extremely hot regions of those galaxies, those areas with young bright blue stars that were pumping out huge amounts of ultraviolet. So after seeing that I'm back to really being more comfortable with a steady state evolution, because when viewed in the same wavelengths, that is when I'm seeing these early galaxies in what is deep infrared here but started out as visible light there, they look very much like modern visible galaxies. And then the recent K20 survey with the VLT they found four massive spiral galaxies that had redshifts between 1.6 and 1.9 placing them at around 2 billion years after the big bang if you buy the big bang. This further reinforced my belief that the steady state theory is more credible, because here you have four galaxies that are more massive than our own milky way galaxy which is big as galaxies go, when galactic evolutionary theories suggest that these large galaxies form by the aggregation of smaller galaxies and thus shouldn't have existed that early, further, their appearance is just like any other modern spiral galaxy. So I don't know what is causing the red shift, if it is truely doppler in nature; or if there is some other factor that is causing it, gravitational perhaps, or the effect of compton scattering, maybe there interaction with virtual electrons in space gradually drains light of it's energy and there is an effective horizon over which we can not see because light simply runs out of energy before it can travel farther than 14 billion light years or so, but the big bang just doesn't make sense in light of these early fully evolved large galaxies. Beyond that I'm uncomfortable with the whole ad-hoc nature of the big bang theory; the need for a "cosmological constant" and "inflation", things which have never been reproduced or measured in the laboratory. And I think current mainstream cosmology also downplays the significance of electromagnetic interaction at large distances suggesting that these fields cancel out. If you take two freight trains and put them on a track heading towards each other, each going 60 mph, when they collide one could say that since they were in the opposite direction the kinetic energy cancelled out, but tell that to the trains when they collide. I have to think that when magnetic fields interact they don't cancel out but exert real forces on the objects they're tied to and play a non-trivial role in the evolution of everything from planets to galaxies to the large structure of the universe. I think the shortage of anti-matter may be a "local" phenomena, that is, in any given region of the universe where there is a surplus of one type of matter or another, annihilation leaves only that surplus, in the case of the observable universe, matter; but if we could see far enough and not be limited by a horizon of sorts; we might see huge areas of predominantly anti-matter if we could look far enough. One area that really intrigues me though is how time is involved in all of this. Anti-matter appears to essentially be time-reversed matter; that is matter travelling backwards in time; and if this is true then charge is a function of time, because the charge is reversed in anti-matter. Given that charge accelerates matter, that is for example like charges repel and thus accelerate matter away from each other, and unlike charges attract, accelerate matter towards each other, charges ACT in time, so if they act in time, and their apparent charge reverses with time reversal; it would seem that there is an intrinsic link between time and charge. And this makes me wonder if then charges can't under certain circumstances affect time, if this isn't the basis for some of the free energy effects people see. I don't know, I can't seem to get a clear picture of the whole charge, force, time, thing in my head; but I have the feeling that if I could great things would be possible. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 14:09:12 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DM8iKx012997; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:08:45 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DM8Y7F012932; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:08:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:08:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.78.21] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:08:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 22:08:31.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[06B1E480:01C630EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25509 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 178 > One area that really intrigues me though is how time is involved in > all > of this. Anti-matter appears to essentially be time-reversed matter; that > is > matter travelling backwards in time; and if this is true then charge is a > function of time, because the charge is reversed in anti-matter. > Given that charge accelerates matter, that is for example like charges > repel and thus accelerate matter away from each other, and unlike charges > attract, accelerate matter towards each other, charges ACT in time, so if > they > act in time, and their apparent charge reverses with time reversal; it > would > seem that there is an intrinsic link between time and charge. That's hardly possible... I'm sorry : Let's assume we are on time-state -> 1 second after an event. matter exhibits a positive time flow as you claim -> now the clock shows 2 seconds after event. if antimatter exhibited a negative time flow than it would be in time state -> 0 seconds ( at the event ) Therefore we never could see nor create antimatter, because it would flow back in time. ( I'll read the other things you wrote later... I'm a bit busy now ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 14:13:18 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DMD29h030505; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:13:02 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DMD0N5030496; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:13:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:13:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:12:57 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25510 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 179 Alexander, I wish I could claim it's clear in my head; but I got this from a lecture given by Richard Feynman some years ago and I believe he knew what he was talking about. I am >SURE< however that I'm not understanding the concepts correctly. Somewhere I have these lectures on video tape but they are in Beta format and my Beta machine is ill. (you remember Beta right, it was out there when Feynman was alive and I had/have one, though mine is ill). I wish I could even borrow a good Beta machine so I could transcribe these tapes into something readable today; but then I also need a card for my PC that can digitize video so I could convert to DVD. I know I've seen his lectures on DVD for sale somewhere but seems to me it was real pricey; I taped these off of one of the cable channels a couple of decades ago. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:08:35 +0100 > From: Alexander C. Gal > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:08:34 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > One area that really intrigues me though is how time is involved in > > all > > of this. Anti-matter appears to essentially be time-reversed matter; that > > is > > matter travelling backwards in time; and if this is true then charge is a > > function of time, because the charge is reversed in anti-matter. > > Given that charge accelerates matter, that is for example like charges > > repel and thus accelerate matter away from each other, and unlike charges > > attract, accelerate matter towards each other, charges ACT in time, so if > > they > > act in time, and their apparent charge reverses with time reversal; it > > would > > seem that there is an intrinsic link between time and charge. > > That's hardly possible... I'm sorry : > Let's assume we are on time-state -> 1 second after an event. > > matter exhibits a positive time flow as you claim -> now the clock shows 2 > seconds after event. > if antimatter exhibited a negative time flow than it would be in time > state -> 0 seconds ( at the event ) > > Therefore we never could see nor create antimatter, because it would flow > back in time. > > ( I'll read the other things you wrote later... I'm a bit busy now ) > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 14:21:58 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DMLaoS020666; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:21:37 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DMLSIZ020609; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:21:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:21:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.78.21] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:21:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 22:21:24.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[D35E7AB0:01C630EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25511 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 180 > Alexander, I wish I could claim it's clear in my head; but I got this > from > a lecture given by Richard Feynman some years ago and I believe he knew > what he > was talking about. I am >SURE< however that I'm not understanding the > concepts > correctly. Somewhere I have these lectures on video tape but they are in > Beta > format and my Beta machine is ill. (you remember Beta right, it was out > there > when Feynman was alive and I had/have one, though mine is ill). I wish I > could > even borrow a good Beta machine so I could transcribe these tapes into > something readable today; but then I also need a card for my PC that can > digitize video so I could convert to DVD. I know I've seen his lectures > on DVD > for sale somewhere but seems to me it was real pricey; I taped these off > of one > of the cable channels a couple of decades ago. Well - My mind is always open for new things :) But to be honest, your explanation wasn't the best... Why don't you simply tell us what can be seen on the tape? Regarding Beta: I'm not completly sure what you're talking about... the reason could be, that I was born in '89... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 14:28:18 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DMS8uo032192; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:28:08 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DMS7CW032186; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:28:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:28:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25512 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 181 Actually giving this more thought, your logic is flawed in a sense, your right the anti-matter and matter particles can't be "created" at the same instant if they're travelling in opposite directions timewise, BUT "created" is the operative word, that's looking at things from our MATTER forward in time perspective. If you look at it from the particles perspective, it's entirely possible. And actually this makes so much sense to me all the suddenly now. Here is what you have, the two particles, the particle and it's anti-particle pair that appear to be created in our time either as virtual particles or as the result of the destruction of two photons that have the right energy. But in the particles perspective, here it is travelling through time in one direction from the future back to the present; funky idea I know but bear with me it makes sense; then it interacts with the two identical photons, reverses it's direction in time, and heads off in the other direction. In other words, it doesn't have to be two particles it is the SAME particle first travelling in one direction in time, and then the other. And what works for the particles ALSO works for the photons from this perspective, because they're really not travelling in time at all in their perspective, time dialation is infinite at the speed of light so they experience no movement in time, but from our perspective they so you've got a photon, interacts with a particle, changes it's time trajectory as opposed to two photons. All of the sudden entanglement makes total sense; it's not entanglement, it's the SAME particle. There isn't any spooky action at a distance, just one particle that's reversed it's direction in the travel through time. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Nanook wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:12:57 -0800 (PST) > From: Nanook > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:13:00 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Alexander, I wish I could claim it's clear in my head; but I got this from > a lecture given by Richard Feynman some years ago and I believe he knew what he > was talking about. I am >SURE< however that I'm not understanding the concepts > correctly. Somewhere I have these lectures on video tape but they are in Beta > format and my Beta machine is ill. (you remember Beta right, it was out there > when Feynman was alive and I had/have one, though mine is ill). I wish I could > even borrow a good Beta machine so I could transcribe these tapes into > something readable today; but then I also need a card for my PC that can > digitize video so I could convert to DVD. I know I've seen his lectures on DVD > for sale somewhere but seems to me it was real pricey; I taped these off of one > of the cable channels a couple of decades ago. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:08:35 +0100 > > From: Alexander C. Gal > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:08:34 -0800 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > > > > One area that really intrigues me though is how time is involved in > > > all > > > of this. Anti-matter appears to essentially be time-reversed matter; that > > > is > > > matter travelling backwards in time; and if this is true then charge is a > > > function of time, because the charge is reversed in anti-matter. > > > Given that charge accelerates matter, that is for example like charges > > > repel and thus accelerate matter away from each other, and unlike charges > > > attract, accelerate matter towards each other, charges ACT in time, so if > > > they > > > act in time, and their apparent charge reverses with time reversal; it > > > would > > > seem that there is an intrinsic link between time and charge. > > > > That's hardly possible... I'm sorry : > > Let's assume we are on time-state -> 1 second after an event. > > > > matter exhibits a positive time flow as you claim -> now the clock shows 2 > > seconds after event. > > if antimatter exhibited a negative time flow than it would be in time > > state -> 0 seconds ( at the event ) > > > > Therefore we never could see nor create antimatter, because it would flow > > back in time. > > > > ( I'll read the other things you wrote later... I'm a bit busy now ) > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 14:28:56 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DMSrTl032356; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:28:53 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DMSqYS032335; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:28:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:28:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25513 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 182 Because I've got hours and hours of lecture and trying to related all of that via an e-mail list is simply not possible. There is too much background. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:21:28 +0100 > From: Alexander C. Gal > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:21:28 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > Alexander, I wish I could claim it's clear in my head; but I got this > > from > > a lecture given by Richard Feynman some years ago and I believe he knew > > what he > > was talking about. I am >SURE< however that I'm not understanding the > > concepts > > correctly. Somewhere I have these lectures on video tape but they are in > > Beta > > format and my Beta machine is ill. (you remember Beta right, it was out > > there > > when Feynman was alive and I had/have one, though mine is ill). I wish I > > could > > even borrow a good Beta machine so I could transcribe these tapes into > > something readable today; but then I also need a card for my PC that can > > digitize video so I could convert to DVD. I know I've seen his lectures > > on DVD > > for sale somewhere but seems to me it was real pricey; I taped these off > > of one > > of the cable channels a couple of decades ago. > > Well - My mind is always open for new things :) But to be honest, your > explanation wasn't the best... > Why don't you simply tell us what can be seen on the tape? > > Regarding Beta: I'm not completly sure what you're talking about... the > reason could be, that I was born in '89... > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 15:25:41 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DNP24O024466; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:25:03 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1DNOxUF024413; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:24:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:24:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Kv1ZRmaOudzJCDlM9kuknvNQ5llR/gLZYcTGX3X1ZE/2igjy49N/OVr3d0lKOSRa94KE5KeUdG6gEgIEDJAb3qcpB4cnBMZ13n+LvM+ynAW5P2pijVSw2AgKh0xIBWXE0W/LUATRoF/R2fSTWrJ/7eeIY3uhxIxenbq1Ba1lt4I= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:24:49 -0600 From: Dan Chadwick Sender: dsanco@gmail.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6855_26368756.1139873089677" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25514 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 183 ------=_Part_6855_26368756.1139873089677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I remember in that same segment speculation that somehow the ballance is shifted and we ended up with a Matter based universe, the anti-particles were somehow sucked in and the others weren't. I have my own thoughts completely separate from all of this, but I don't know how to go about proving it, or disproving it as the case may be. So sticking with quotes from those accepted as authorities, this is where I am. On 2/13/06, Nanook wrote: > > > Because I've got hours and hours of lecture and trying to related all > of > that via an e-mail list is simply not possible. There is too much > background. > > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-= _-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874= . > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:21:28 +0100 > > From: Alexander C. Gal > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:21:28 -0800 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > > > > Alexander, I wish I could claim it's clear in my head; but I got > this > > > from > > > a lecture given by Richard Feynman some years ago and I believe he > knew > > > what he > > > was talking about. I am >SURE< however that I'm not understanding th= e > > > concepts > > > correctly. Somewhere I have these lectures on video tape but they ar= e > in > > > Beta > > > format and my Beta machine is ill. (you remember Beta right, it was > out > > > there > > > when Feynman was alive and I had/have one, though mine is ill). I > wish I > > > could > > > even borrow a good Beta machine so I could transcribe these tapes int= o > > > something readable today; but then I also need a card for my PC that > can > > > digitize video so I could convert to DVD. I know I've seen his > lectures > > > on DVD > > > for sale somewhere but seems to me it was real pricey; I taped these > off > > > of one > > > of the cable channels a couple of decades ago. > > > > Well - My mind is always open for new things :) But to be honest, your > > explanation wasn't the best... > > Why don't you simply tell us what can be seen on the tape? > > > > Regarding Beta: I'm not completly sure what you're talking about... the > > reason could be, that I was born in '89... > > > > > > -- Thoughts become things, choose the good ones! ~Dan ------=_Part_6855_26368756.1139873089677 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I remember in that same segment speculation that somehow the ballance is sh= ifted and we ended up with a Matter based universe, the anti-particles were= somehow sucked in and the others weren't. I have my own thoughts completel= y separate from all of this, but I don't know how to go about proving it, o= r disproving it as the case may be. So sticking with quotes from those acce= pted as authorities, this is where I am.

On 2/13/06, = Nanook <nanook@eskimo.com&g= t; wrote:

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>
>
> >     Alexander, I wish I could cla= im it's clear in my head; but I got this
> > from
> > a l= ecture given by Richard Feynman some years ago and I believe he knew
>= ; > what he
> > was talking about.  I am >SURE< however that I'm = not understanding the
> > concepts
> > correctly. &n= bsp;Somewhere I have these lectures on video tape but they are in
> &= gt; Beta
> > format and my Beta machine is ill. (you remember Beta= right, it was out
> > there
> > when Feynman was alive and I had/have one,= though mine is ill).  I wish I
> > could
> > e= ven borrow a good Beta machine so I could transcribe these tapes into
&g= t; > something readable today; but then I also need a card for my PC tha= t can
> > digitize video so I could convert to DVD.  I know I= 've seen his lectures
> > on DVD
> > for sale somewhere b= ut seems to me it was real pricey; I taped these off
> > of one> > of the cable channels a couple of decades ago.
>
> Well - My mind is always open for new things :) But to be = honest, your
> explanation wasn't the best...
> Why don't you s= imply tell us what can be seen on the tape?
>
> Regarding Beta:= I'm not completly sure what you're talking about... the
> reason could be, that I was born in '89...
>
>

=



--
Thoughts become things,= choose the good ones!
~Dan=20 ------=_Part_6855_26368756.1139873089677-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 21:44:11 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1E5heZa017068; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:43:40 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1E5hcXj017042; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:43:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:43:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:43:35 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25515 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 184 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Nanook wrote: > > But then I saw pictures taken in the deep infrared with a newer space > based telescope, maybe Spitzer, not sure which one, of these early galaxies and > they looked just like modern galaxies. > > Then I realized the hubble pictures I was looking at, those visible light > deep field photographs, that's visible light here and now but it's been hugely > red-shifted and started out as extreme ultraviolet light, so what I was > actually seeing in those hubble pictures wasn't significantly malformed > galaxies, relative todays, I was only seeing the extremely hot regions of those > galaxies, those areas with young bright blue stars that were pumping out huge > amounts of ultraviolet. > I think the thing used mainly to support the big bang theory is the red shift. But it could have other causes. Some years ago I read an article somewhere (Scientific American?) called "Light Naturally Runs Down". The theory was that under certain conditions a photon, after traveling many light-years for many eons, could lose some of its energy and show a shift to the red in wavelength. This was kind of an extension to Fred Hoyle's endless, boundless, stable universe theory. I also tend to agree there was no Big Bang and that the red shift is due to some other phenomenon. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 14 07:03:00 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EF2L12005115; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:22 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1EF2F5Q005062; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.77.229] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:02:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2006 15:02:11.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[A22E4B50:01C63177] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25516 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 185 and how do you explain blue shifting ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Widup" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Nanook wrote: > >> >> But then I saw pictures taken in the deep infrared with a newer >> space >> based telescope, maybe Spitzer, not sure which one, of these early >> galaxies and >> they looked just like modern galaxies. >> >> Then I realized the hubble pictures I was looking at, those visible >> light >> deep field photographs, that's visible light here and now but it's been >> hugely >> red-shifted and started out as extreme ultraviolet light, so what I was >> actually seeing in those hubble pictures wasn't significantly malformed >> galaxies, relative todays, I was only seeing the extremely hot regions of >> those >> galaxies, those areas with young bright blue stars that were pumping out >> huge >> amounts of ultraviolet. >> > > I think the thing used mainly to support the big bang theory is the red > shift. But it could have other causes. > > Some years ago I read an article somewhere (Scientific American?) called > "Light Naturally Runs Down". The theory was that under certain conditions > a photon, after traveling many light-years for many eons, could lose some > of its energy and show a shift to the red in wavelength. > > This was kind of an extension to Fred Hoyle's endless, boundless, stable > universe theory. > > I also tend to agree there was no Big Bang and that the red shift is due > to some other phenomenon. > > Zack > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 14 13:16:39 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EKXJIa018761; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:33:20 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1EKXEQP018719; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:33:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:33:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.0.20060214142403.034fb770@swbell.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:33:05 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Charles Ford Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25517 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 186 At 11:43 PM 2/13/2006, you wrote: >On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Nanook wrote: > > > >I think the thing used mainly to support the big bang theory is the red >shift. But it could have other causes. It may just be bad assumptions. Every mass creates a shift, Assumptions as to the level of shift (viewed from earth) may be in error. Do we really know the mass of the planet? Do we really know the mass of the solar system? Oh- please do we really know the mass of that distant star? These are all guessed based on mathematical tooling of other guesses. The red shift could simply be the common error caused by a bad assumption. We should always keep an open mind. Remember we don't know everything, and we aren't absolutely certain about anything. Proof suggests the accuracy of theory, but does not solidify fact. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 14 14:25:52 2006 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EMP1QE030607; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:25:35 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1EMFNVp029946; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:15:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:15:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25518 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 187 I don't mean to suggest that Doppler shift doesn't happen due to local velocity differences, certainly it does; only that the red-shifts we see with increasing distance may not be Doppler in nature but may be some other phenomena such as interaction with electrons or even virtual electrons. See: http://www.lyndonashmore.com/ In my opinion not particularly well presented on this site but it's one alternative. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Alexander C. Gal wrote: > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:02:16 +0100 > From: Alexander C. Gal > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0800 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > and how do you explain blue shifting ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zack Widup" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation > > > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Nanook wrote: > > > >> > >> But then I saw pictures taken in the deep infrared with a newer > >> space > >> based telescope, maybe Spitzer, not sure which one, of these early > >> galaxies and > >> they looked just like modern galaxies. > >> > >> Then I realized the hubble pictures I was looking at, those visible > >> light > >> deep field photographs, that's visible light here and now but it's been > >> hugely > >> red-shifted and started out as extreme ultraviolet light, so what I was > >> actually seeing in those hubble pictures wasn't significantly malformed > >> galaxies, relative todays, I was only seeing the extremely hot regions of > >> those > >> galaxies, those areas with young bright blue stars that were pumping out > >> huge > >> amounts of ultraviolet. > >> > > > > I think the thing used mainly to support the big bang theory is the red > > shift. But it could have other causes. > > > > Some years ago I read an article somewhere (Scientific American?) called > > "Light Naturally Runs Down". The theory was that under certain conditions > > a photon, after traveling many light-years for many eons, could lose some > > of its energy and show a shift to the red in wavelength. > > > > This was kind of an extension to Fred Hoyle's endless, boundless, stable > > universe theory. > > > > I also tend to agree there was no Big Bang and that the red shift is due > > to some other phenomenon. > > > > Zack > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 19 06:27:01 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JEIkVk025386; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:19:00 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k1JEIgsJ025325; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:18:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:18:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Tomwlam@aol.com Message-ID: <2b9.4dfca21.3129d83e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:18:38 EST Subject: Re: [FG]: scalar em field creation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1140358718" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25520 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 188 -------------------------------1140358718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AMEN: The subject being discussed is nothing more that an inverse Doppler delay, which can be easily designed with any non-linear transmission line. I do believe this discussion has gone beyond the point of any usefulness. What we find to be strange and/or bizarre, is primarily a function of observations that are different than those we are used to. To confront the masses of so called modern scientists takes Balls and guts--to mention just a few of the missing traits of modern day scientists. Believe in the late Richard P. Feynman and his favorite "maps" you won't go wrong, then get out there and do something about it versus throwing worthless words back and forth! We are in a state of scientific emergency and will surely fall back to the dark ages until we decide to get rid of the false dogma generated over the past century. WLT -------------------------------1140358718 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
AMEN:
 
    The subject being discussed is nothing more tha= t an=20 inverse Doppler delay, which can be easily designed with any non-linear=20 transmission line. I do believe this discussion has gone beyond the point of= any=20 usefulness. What we find to be strange and/or bizarre, is primarily a=20 function of observations that are different than those we are used to.=20= To=20 confront the masses of so called modern scientists takes Balls and guts= --to=20 mention just a few of the missing traits of modern day scientists. Believe i= n=20 the late Richard P. Feynman and his favorite "maps"  you won't go wrong= ,=20 then get out there and do something about it versus throwing worthless=20 words back and forth! We are in a state of scientific emergency and will sur= ely=20 fall back to the dark ages until we decide to get rid of the false dogma=20 generated over the past century.
 
WLT
 -------------------------------1140358718-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 15 00:06:38 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2F86SO9010396; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:06:29 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k2F86Lra010351; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:06:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:06:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <00d001c64808$9666de20$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: <20050429021610.22154.qmail@web42110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:15:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C647D6.4B0303A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <77MOyC.A.ihC.8r8FEB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25521 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 189 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C647D6.4B0303A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg This is Randy Elston Hargraves I am still looking forward to getting the = SMOT kit with the new measurement system. I would really like it autographed with your signeture If Possible!!!! I just thought that I should make sure that you still have my contact = Data, Address ect.... Randy Elston Hargraves 601 John F. Kroutil Dr. Yukon Oklahoma 73099 USA Home 1-405-350-0503 Other 1-405-354-0033 Thank You very much. I have been trying not to bother you, but I am looking very forward to = it. Thanks again Greg Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Prometheus Effect" To: "FreeEnergy" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect Smot - Thanks!!!!!!! Randy USA > Hi Randy, >=20 > Thanks for the feedback. >=20 > You should have your SMOT kit with the new measurement > system in early July. >=20 > Anyone else waiting for their SMOT kits, please let me > have your name and delivery details. >=20 > Greg >=20 > --- Randy E Hargraves wrote: > > hI Greg It was very good to here from you. > >=20 > > I breifly looked at your Promtheus Effect Web sight, > > I am going back to it to examine it better. > >=20 > > Wow! I am getting excited again about this project. > >=20 > > It looks very interresting. > >=20 > > Randy Elston Hargraves > > 601 John F. Kroutil Dr. > > Yukon Oklahoma > > 73099 > > USA > >=20 > > Home 1-405-350-0503 > > Other 1-405-354-0033 > >=20 > > Thanks Again > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Prometheus Effect" > > > > To: "FreeEnergy" ; "Vortex" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:09 PM > > Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect > >=20 > >=20 > > > Randy Elston wrote: > > > > > > Hi Friends > > > > > > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid > > for > > > a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never received it. > > I > > > am extremely disappointed. If someone has a good > > > e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, > > feel > > > free to forward this message to him. > > > > > > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > > > in Oklahoma USA > > > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > > > I feel Cheated > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT > > kits. > > > You might want to check out: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > > > > > You wil be getting your SMOT kit complete with a > > new > > > measurement system which proves the Prometheus > > Effect > > > at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > > Movies. > > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C647D6.4B0303A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
Hi Greg
This is Randy Elston Hargraves I am = still looking=20 forward to getting the  SMOT kit with the = new=20 measurement  system.
 
I would really like = it autographed=20 with your signeture If Possible!!!!
 
I just thought that I should make sure = that you=20 still have my contact Data,  Address ect....
 

Randy Elston=20 Hargraves
601 John F.=20 Kroutil Dr.
Yukon Oklahoma
73099
USA

 Home=20 1-405-350-0503
Other =20 1-405-354-0033
 
Thank  You very=20 much.
I have been trying not to bother you, = but I am=20 looking very forward to it.
 
Thanks again Greg
 
 
Randy
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Prometheus Effect" <prometheus_effect@yahoo.com.au>
To: "FreeEnergy" <freenrg-L@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:16 = PM
Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect = Smot -=20 Thanks!!!!!!! Randy USA

> Hi Randy,
>
> Thanks for the = feedback.
>=20
> = You should have your SMOT kit = with the new=20 measurement
> system in early = July.
>=20
> Anyone else waiting for their SMOT kits, please let me
> = have=20 your name and delivery details.
>
> Greg
>
> = --- Randy=20 E Hargraves <randyehargraves@cox.net>=20 wrote:
> > hI Greg It was very good to here from you.
> = >=20
> > I breifly looked at your Promtheus Effect Web = sight,
> >=20 I am going back to it to examine it better.
> >
> > = Wow! I am=20 getting excited again about this project.
> >
> > It = looks=20 very interresting.
> >
> > Randy Elston = Hargraves
>=20 > 601 John F. Kroutil Dr.
> > Yukon Oklahoma
> >=20 73099
> > USA
> >
> > Home = 1-405-350-0503
>=20 > Other  1-405-354-0033
> >
> > Thanks = Again
>=20 >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> = >=20 From: "Prometheus Effect"
> > <prometheus_effect@yahoo.com.au>
> > To: "FreeEnergy" <freenrg-L@eskimo.com>;=20 "Vortex"
> > <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:09 PM
> = >=20 Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect
> >
> >
> = > >=20 Randy Elston wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi = Friends
> >=20 >
> > > I was one of the individuals that Bought and = Paid
>=20 > for
> > > a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never = received=20 it.
> > I
> > > am extremely disappointed. If = someone has a=20 good
> > > e-mail address on him I would like it. In = fact,
>=20 > feel
> > > free to forward this message to him.
> = >=20 >
> > > I am Randy Elston Hargraves
> > > in=20 Oklahoma  USA
> > > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell
> > = > I=20 feel Cheated
> > >=20 -------------------------------------------
> > >
> = > >=20 Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT
> > = kits.
> >=20 > You might want to check out:
> > >
> > > = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/
<= FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>> > >
> > > You wil be = getting your SMOT=20 kit complete with a
> > new
> > > measurement = system which=20 proves the Prometheus
> > Effect
> > > at the heart = of the=20 SMOT device is OU.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > = >
> > > Find local movie times and trailers on = Yahoo!
>=20 > Movies.
> > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> > =
> >=20
>
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! = Movies.
>=20 http://au.movies.yahoo.com
>=20
> ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C647D6.4B0303A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 15 10:06:20 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2FI65vZ021321; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:06:05 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k2FI64jr021303; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:06:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:06:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:48:57 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: In-Reply-To: <00d001c64808$9666de20$82976144@ok.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-ILURD.A.xMF.LeFGEB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25522 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 190 Hi Randy, Greg was on freenrg-l again for a short time but got terminated by Bill B. I doubt if he is getting your e-mail through the group. If yo send direct to him, he might get it. Zack On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: > > > Hi Greg > This is Randy Elston Hargraves I am still looking forward to getting the SMOT kit with the new measurement system. > > I would really like it autographed with your signeture If Possible!!!! > > I just thought that I should make sure that you still have my contact Data, Address ect.... > > > Randy Elston Hargraves > 601 John F. Kroutil Dr. > Yukon Oklahoma > 73099 > USA > > Home 1-405-350-0503 > Other 1-405-354-0033 > > > Thank You very much. > I have been trying not to bother you, but I am looking very forward to it. > > Thanks again Greg > > > Randy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Prometheus Effect" > To: "FreeEnergy" > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:16 PM > Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect Smot - Thanks!!!!!!! Randy USA > > > > Hi Randy, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > > > You should have your SMOT kit with the new measurement > > system in early July. > > > > Anyone else waiting for their SMOT kits, please let me > > have your name and delivery details. > > > > Greg > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 15 11:41:00 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2FJeQvZ001766; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:40:27 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k2FJeNHk001743; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:40:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:40:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000701c64869$8d1d2020$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:49:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25523 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 191 Thanks Does any one have a have Greg Watson's direct email address??? If so, I would appreciate It. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Widup" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: > Hi Randy, > > Greg was on freenrg-l again for a short time but got terminated by Bill > B. I doubt if he is getting your e-mail through the group. If yo send > direct to him, he might get it. > > Zack > > > On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Greg > > This is Randy Elston Hargraves I am still looking forward to getting the SMOT kit with the new measurement system. > > > > I would really like it autographed with your signeture If Possible!!!! > > > > I just thought that I should make sure that you still have my contact Data, Address ect.... > > > > > > Randy Elston Hargraves > > 601 John F. Kroutil Dr. > > Yukon Oklahoma > > 73099 > > USA > > > > Home 1-405-350-0503 > > Other 1-405-354-0033 > > > > > > Thank You very much. > > I have been trying not to bother you, but I am looking very forward to it. > > > > Thanks again Greg > > > > > > Randy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Prometheus Effect" > > To: "FreeEnergy" > > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:16 PM > > Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect Smot - Thanks!!!!!!! Randy USA > > > > > > > Hi Randy, > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > > > > > You should have your SMOT kit with the new measurement > > > system in early July. > > > > > > Anyone else waiting for their SMOT kits, please let me > > > have your name and delivery details. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 15 13:14:53 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2FLEZWB014620; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:14:36 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k2FLET63014578; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:14:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:14:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:46:32 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: SMOT In-Reply-To: <000701c64869$8d1d2020$82976144@ok.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25524 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 192 On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: > Thanks > > Does any one have a have Greg Watson's direct email address??? > > If so, I would appreciate It. > > Thanks I'm assuming it is the address which was included in your e-mail. See below. Let us know if you ever hear back from him and if he sends you your kit. Zack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Prometheus Effect" From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 21 20:59:31 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2M4xKwh000997; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:59:20 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k2M4xHU7000976; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:59:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:59:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [80.71.117.118] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi@hotmail.com From: "ali azizi" To: billb@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:59:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2006 04:59:15.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E7FDDD0:01C64D6D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25525 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: new machine (mashan) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 193 To whom it my concern ! I recived your Email . I appreciare for your message that it was my Email erspons . I would like to underline some notices : - the machine that I have invented is "Mashan" . That is the kind of "preptum - mobil" set . - this machine has input output ports . - its central section , could be controlled and used for useful act , and convertto kind of preptum energy . - I can show "mashan" to you , with suitable conditions ; you can see its ualities and properties , and specialities . - I woud Like to cooperate you on suitable conditions That’s main is - If "mashan" would be effectived , you help me for Domaining and invert institutioning , in any international institutions and protection of adventages and monetary agreement by the way , I appreciate all of my friends that Email me amony this age , and then I apologize of then because it isn't possible Email to all . Best regard A . Azizi _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 22 03:42:06 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2MBfejV019447; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:41:40 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id k2MBfcTl019427; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:41:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:41:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.127.231] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:41:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2006 11:41:37.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[93FAD630:01C64DA5] Resent-Message-ID: <-CwKeC.A.avE.yfTIEB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25526 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: new machine (mashan) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 194 If "mashan" is a pure mechanical device, i can't imagine any overunity properties. But you could show us some pictures or describe how it works... ----- Original Message ----- From: "ali azizi" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:59 AM Subject: [FG]: new machine (mashan) > > > To whom it my concern ! > I recived your Email . I appreciare for your message that it was my Email > erspons . > I would like to underline some notices : > - the machine that I have invented is "Mashan" . That is the kind of > "preptum - mobil" set . > - this machine has input output ports . > - its central section , could be controlled and used for useful act , and > convertto kind of preptum energy . > - I can show "mashan" to you , with suitable conditions ; you can see its > ualities and properties , and specialities . > - I woud Like to cooperate you on suitable conditions That's main is > - If "mashan" would be effectived , you help me for Domaining and invert > institutioning , in any international institutions and protection of > adventages and monetary agreement by the way , I appreciate all of my > friends that Email me amony this age , and then I apologize of then > because it isn't possible Email to all . > > Best regard > A . Azizi > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 6 07:30:54 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k46EUWZB005310; Sat, 6 May 2006 07:30:32 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k46EUOlp005227; Sat, 6 May 2006 07:30:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 07:30:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=Yb+HNe4cuRJCQkdFLHFISKdLRCqRb5WcfVBj3TP2L89uE8LWJpwS0RlHr3nILt68BQLuHew1uFHfv41k2YyR0QPMreY7yfnU/ZJ18Sjn9LbKyt704Xm0kpR/BOE7O2Q85XrOUX6DtPIHZa+JVjyRECOA0LMByaPZoLZcBbakaf4= From: Bob Paddock Organization: The Designer-III Company http://www.designer-iii.com/ To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:24:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605061024.15904.bob.paddock@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25527 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Bismuth from Duck Shot in Double Boiler? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 195 I recall an article/message that I thought was on FreeNrg about how to 'distill' Lead Free Duck Shot, based on Bismuth, in a "Double Boiler", on the kitchen stove. I've search the old messages that I have, and the list archives (which don't seem up to date?), but can not find the message. Does anyone here recall running across the message/article? -- http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 24 14:46:51 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4OLkLmc003714; Wed, 24 May 2006 14:46:21 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k4OLkE5F003670; Wed, 24 May 2006 14:46:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:46:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAHtwdESCemCBBWWBb4IJLA Message-ID: <005301c67f7b$6e5384b0$6b412a50@05050Q6XOYG76X> From: "Bob Vincent" To: "Robert Vincent" , "Nu Energy Industries" , , , , "Jerry Decker - KN" , , "overunity.com The international free energy research forum" , "Future Horizons" , "energy2000g Moderator" , Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:45:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C67F83.CE8035B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Bob Vincent" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25528 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: OU qualified openly in a patent. Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 196 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C67F83.CE8035B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Upon reding this Patent for OU motor design I was surprised to see that = an open acknowledgment of OU is expressed in the first parragraph and = goes on in a most candid way. Dont they usually dismiss this kind of = application. When I have finished reading the patent I will know what fits with my = present knowledge from other publications books etc. Bobrgv http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=3DEPODOC&IDX=3DCA2275807&F=3D0&QPN=3DC= A2275807 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C67F83.CE8035B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Upon reding this Patent for OU motor = design I was=20 surprised to see that an open acknowledgment of OU is expressed in the = first=20 parragraph and goes on in a most candid way. Dont they usually dismiss = this kind=20 of application.
When I have finished reading the patent = I will know=20 what fits with my present knowledge from other publications books=20 etc.
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------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C67F83.CE8035B0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 26 00:04:18 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4Q743Qe008769; Fri, 26 May 2006 00:04:04 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k4Q741qY008747; Fri, 26 May 2006 00:04:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:04:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.205.197.54] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:03:36 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C680AB.A75B4FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 07:03:55.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D8FCD30:01C68092] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25529 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Message archive on www Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 197 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C680AB.A75B4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I can't open the Message archive on www - - - = http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/ Is there a known problem for that? thank you ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C680AB.A75B4FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I can't open the Message archive = on=20 www  - - - http://www.escribe.com/s= cience/freenrg/
Is there a known problem for that?
 
thank = you
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C680AB.A75B4FA0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 26 08:21:07 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4QFKS4C007407; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:20:29 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k4QFKPKp007379; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:20:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:20:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authenticated-User: roygbiv.clearwire.net Message-ID: <001b01c680d7$e6349ed0$6a01a8c0@owner8c55731b3> From: "Stephen H. Overstreet" To: References: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:20:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6809D.382FDF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <9H-fbB.A.FzB.3yxdEB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25530 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Message archive on www Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6809D.382FDF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope, I can't either. Wonder what's up? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: G N=20 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:03 AM Subject: [FG]: Message archive on www Hi all, I can't open the Message archive on www - - - = http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/ Is there a known problem for that? thank you ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6809D.382FDF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope, I can't either. Wonder what's=20 up?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 G N=20
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 = 12:03 AM
Subject: [FG]: Message archive = on=20 www

Hi all,
 
I can't open the Message = archive on=20 www  - - - http://www.escribe.com/s= cience/freenrg/
Is there a known problem for that?
 
thank=20 you
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6809D.382FDF00-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 26 11:19:58 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4QIJabt030758; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:19:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k4QIJYp2030725; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:19:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:19:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=JcCu+mdeUwgKpxNKczoTQL6rojyh6tsAFzRR4/jtQEMa3jcwu9Apb7cKn/3cJBkQkWw897xUW8JlvMd+KHlkIJ7ByE9myJoYMvIGRRRtMm0j5491pIP4oMxVBC8D7aeqLmecvSHyo3+H2vDBuJD4NlQ3XbeljddiXikWfdAo8xg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:18:50 -0500 From: "Dan Chadwick" Sender: dsanco@gmail.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_61737_25256342.1148667530924" References: <001b01c680d7$e6349ed0$6a01a8c0@owner8c55731b3> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 095bfae520e89bc4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25531 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Fwd: [FG]: Re: Message archive on www Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 199 ------=_Part_61737_25256342.1148667530924 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Site appears to be down --=20 Treat yourself as though you are your most valuable asset, after all... aren't you? ~Dan On 5/26/06, Stephen H. Overstreet wrote: > > Nope, I can't either. Wonder what's up? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* G N > *To:* freenrg-L@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2006 12:03 AM > *Subject:* [FG]: Message archive on www > > > Hi all, > > I can't open the Message archive on www - - - http://www.escribe.com/sci= ence/freenrg/ > > Is there a known problem for that? > > thank you > > > --=20 Treat yourself as though you are your most valuable asset, after all... aren't you? ~Dan ------=_Part_61737_25256342.1148667530924 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Site appears to be down

--
Treat yourself as though you are= your most valuable asset,
after all... aren't you?
 
~Dan

 
On 5/26/06, = Stephen H. Overstreet <royg= biv@clearwire.net > wrote:=20
Nope, I can't either. Wonder what's up= ?
----- Original Message -----
From: G N
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:03 AM<= /div>
Subject: [FG]: Message archive on ww= w

 
Hi all,
 
I can't open the Message archiv= e on www  - - - ht= tp://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/=20
Is there a known problem for that?
 
thank you
 



--
Treat yourself as though you are your most valua= ble asset,=20
after all... aren't you?
~Dan=20 ------=_Part_61737_25256342.1148667530924-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 11:30:14 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k68ITrCl024582; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:29:53 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k68ITZFQ024154; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:29:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:29:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000001c6a2be$47ef7840$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: <20050420010953.50335.qmail@web42106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 03:22:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C6A23D.C7C63BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25532 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C6A23D.C7C63BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg=20 I just hoped to get an up date, as to when I should be checking my Mail = box for the=20 SMOT kit complete with a new measurement system which proves the Prometheus Effect at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. Feel free to reply. Randy Elston Hargraves 601 John F. Kroutil Drive Yukon, Oklahoma 73099 Thanks. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Prometheus Effect" To: "FreeEnergy" ; "Vortex" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect > Randy Elston wrote: >=20 > Hi Friends >=20 > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for > a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never received it. I > am extremely disappointed. If someone has a good > e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, feel > free to forward this message to him. >=20 > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > in Oklahoma USA > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > I feel Cheated > ------------------------------------------- >=20 > Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT kits. > You might want to check out: >=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ >=20 > You wil be getting your SMOT kit complete with a new > measurement system which proves the Prometheus Effect > at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. >=20 > Greg >=20 > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C6A23D.C7C63BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Greg
I just hoped to get an up date, as to = when I should=20 be checking my Mail box for the 
SMOT kit=20 complete with a new
measurement system which proves the Prometheus=20 Effect
at the heart of the SMOT device is=20 OU.
Feel free to reply.
 
Randy Elston Hargraves
601 John F. Kroutil Drive
Yukon, Oklahoma 73099
 
Thanks.
Randy
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Prometheus Effect" <prometheus_effect@yahoo.com.au>
To: "FreeEnergy" <freenrg-L@eskimo.com>; "Vortex"=20 <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:09 = PM
Subject: [FG]: Prometheus = Effect

> Randy Elston wrote:
>
> Hi Friends
> =
> I=20 was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for
> a SMOT unit = from=20 Greg Watson. I never received it. I
> am extremely disappointed. = If=20 someone has a good
> e-mail address on him I would like it. In = fact,=20 feel
> free to forward this message to him.
>
> I am = Randy=20 Elston Hargraves
> in Oklahoma  USA
> 1(405) 354-0044=20 Cell
> I feel Cheated
>=20 -------------------------------------------
>
> Hi Randy, = Jed and=20 any others who are owed SMOT kits.
> You might want to check = out:
>=20
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/
<= FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>>
> You wil be getting your SMOT kit = complete with a=20 new
> measurement system which proves the Prometheus = Effect
> at the=20 heart of the SMOT device is OU.
>
> Greg
>
> = Find=20 local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
>=20
> ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C6A23D.C7C63BC0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 4 22:02:53 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k75504wT029314; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:02:47 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k754pYPE024508; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:51:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:51:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <002d01c6b84c$d16acae0$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: Cc: "Randy E Hargraves" References: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:05:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25533 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 201 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prometheus Effect" To: "FreeEnergy" ; "Vortex" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits > Randy E Hargraves wrote: > > > Hi Friends > > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid > > for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received > > it. > > > > I am extremely disappointed. > > > > If some one has a good e-mail address on him I > > would like it. > > > > In fact, feel free to forward this message to him. > > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > > in Oklahoma USA > > > > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > > I feel Cheated > > Hi Randy, > > You need to checkout the site I have created which has > ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart > of the SMOT device, is OU: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time > measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment > to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start > shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who > didn't get or want their money back, just send me your > delivery details. > > All the best > Greg Watson > (Prometheus Effect) > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 5 05:02:07 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k75C1bME015868; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 05:01:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k75C1Yvg015846; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 05:01:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 05:01:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Sender: jack@mail3.centurytel.net Message-ID: <44D48684.417C49F5@centurytel.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:52:36 +0000 From: "Taylor J. Smith" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-Caldera (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.co References: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> <002d01c6b84c$d16acae0$82976144@ok.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="xt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="xt" Resent-Message-ID: <3lRoDD.A.X3D.eiI1EB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25534 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 202 Hi All, How odd. I just finished reading "Towards ..." by William Tiller, p. 9, Infinite Energy, Vol 10, Issue 58, 2004, about mentally conditioning a laboratory to produce anomolous results, and then this morning I read the enclosed below: Jack Smith ------------- Forward from aki@ix.netcom.com (Akira Kawasaki) WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 4 Aug 06 Washington, DC 3. BLEEP: WILLIAM TILLER AND "RAMTHA'S SCHOOL OF ENLIGHTENMENT." August is a slow month, and I promised last week to say a little about Ramtha and William Tiller ... Randy E Hargraves wrote: Hi Friends I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received it ... Greg Watson wrote: Hi Randy, You need to checkout the site I have created which has ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart of the SMOT device, is OU: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who didn't get or want their money back, just send me your delivery details. All the best, Greg Watson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 8 00:41:00 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k787eebG007342; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:40:40 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k787eW0J007259; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:40:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:40:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <002801c6babf$ec92c780$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> <002d01c6b84c$d16acae0$82976144@ok.cox.net> <44D48684.417C49F5@centurytel.net> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 02:54:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C6BA96.02CA2220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25535 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 203 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C6BA96.02CA2220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Taylor I thought that I might get It I had high hopes. In fact, I was more excited than ever when Greg sent me this the = following paragraph. "You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who didn't get or want their money back, just send me your delivery details." Well, I was just officially notified that I am not going to get anything = other that the money that I sent. At least I get my money back. I Know that friends and family thought = that I was a nut in still hoping that I was going to get it. For the most part they all thought that I was a nut even thinking that = if nothing else I could get my money back. due to the above underlined paragraph I thought that I was going to get = it in 2 months. =20 So I thought that I would get it in August about 2 years ago. I don't know about everyone else but I personally think that Greg should = make one more, (just for me). After all I paid for it. How is it that I got left out of the Loop? Did any one else get left out? I feel sure that I will get my money, but, I still feel cheated. Randy Elston Hargraves Yukon Oklahoma USA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Taylor J. Smith" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits > Hi All, >=20 > How odd. >=20 > I just finished reading "Towards ..." by William > Tiller, p. 9, Infinite Energy, Vol 10, Issue 58, 2004, > about mentally conditioning a laboratory to produce > anomolous results, and then this morning I read the > enclosed below: >=20 > Jack Smith >=20 > ------------- >=20 > Forward from aki@ix.netcom.com (Akira Kawasaki) >=20 > WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 4 Aug 06 Washington, DC=20 >=20 > 3. BLEEP: WILLIAM TILLER AND "RAMTHA'S SCHOOL OF ENLIGHTENMENT." > August is a slow month, and I promised last week to say a little > about Ramtha and William Tiller ... >=20 > Randy E Hargraves wrote: >=20 > Hi Friends > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid=20 > for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received > it ... >=20 > Greg Watson wrote: >=20 > Hi Randy, >=20 > You need to checkout the site I have created which has > ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart > of the SMOT device, is OU: >=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ >=20 > You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time > measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment > to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start > shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who > didn't get or want their money back, just send me your > delivery details. >=20 > All the best, Greg Watson >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C6BA96.02CA2220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Taylor
I thought that I might get It I had = high=20 hopes.
 
In fact, I was more excited than ever = when Greg=20 sent me this the following paragraph.

"You=20 will get your SMOT complete with a new real time
measurement system = which=20 allows rapid ramp adjustment
to obtain max OU energy creation. I = expect to=20 start
shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who
didn't = get or=20 want their money back, just send me your
delivery=20 details."
 
Well, I was just officially notified = that I am not=20 going to get anything other that the money that I sent.
 
At least I get my money back. I Know = that friends=20 and family thought that I was a nut in still hoping that I was going to = get=20 it.
For the most part they all thought that = I was a nut=20 even thinking that if nothing else I could get my money = back.
 
due to the above underlined paragraph I = thought=20 that I was going to get it in 2 months. 
 
So I thought that I would get it in = August about 2=20 years ago.
 
I don't know about everyone else but I = personally=20 think that Greg should make one more, (just for me).
 
After all I paid for it.  How is = it that I got=20 left out of the Loop?
Did any one else get left = out?
 
I feel sure that I will get my money, = but, I still=20 feel cheated.
 
Randy Elston Hargraves
Yukon Oklahoma USA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Taylor J. Smith" <tjs11@centurytel.net>
To: <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Cc: <vortex-l@eskimo.co>
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:52=20 AM
Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect and = SMOT=20 kits

> Hi All,
>
> How odd.
>
> I just = finished=20 reading "Towards ..." by William
> Tiller, p. 9, Infinite Energy, = Vol 10,=20 Issue 58, 2004,
> about mentally conditioning a laboratory to=20 produce
> anomolous results, and then this morning I read = the
>=20 enclosed below:
>
> Jack Smith
>
>=20 -------------
>
> Forward from aki@ix.netcom.com (Akira = Kawasaki)
>
> WHAT'S NEW   Robert L. = Park  =20 Friday, 4 Aug 06   Washington, DC
>
> 3. BLEEP: = WILLIAM=20 TILLER AND "RAMTHA'S SCHOOL OF ENLIGHTENMENT."
> August is a slow = month,=20 and I promised last week to say a little
> about Ramtha and = William Tiller=20 ...
>
> Randy E Hargraves wrote:
>
> Hi=20 Friends
> I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid =
> for a=20 SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received
> it ...
> =
> Greg=20 Watson wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
>
> You need to = checkout=20 the site I have created which has
> ample proof that the = Prometheus=20 Effect, at the heart
> of the SMOT device, is OU:
>
> = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/
<= FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>>
> You will get your SMOT complete with = a new real=20 time
> measurement system which allows rapid ramp = adjustment
> to=20 obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start
> shipping unit = in about=20 2 months so anyone else who
> didn't get or want their money back, = just=20 send me your
> delivery details.
>
> All the best, = Greg=20 Watson
>
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C6BA96.02CA2220-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 8 05:58:20 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k78Cw0rE010340; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 05:58:01 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k78CvxqH010322; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 05:57:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 05:57:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:57:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: In-Reply-To: <002801c6babf$ec92c780$82976144@ok.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25536 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 204 I'm happy to see this list is still in existence. I haven't seen any postings to it for months up till now, and was just about to send a test post asking if it was still around. I'm one of the people who have been on it since just about Day 1. Zack On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: > Hi Taylor > I thought that I might get It I had high hopes. > > In fact, I was more excited than ever when Greg sent me this the following paragraph. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 9 01:54:12 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k798rvNT023553; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:54:01 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k798rjpx023484; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:53:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:53:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:47:15 +1200 From: Darryl Ward Subject: Re: [FG]: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <001201c6bb90$6a756100$5212f6d2@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25537 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 205 I too am glad to see it here. I now have a young family and do not really have time for experimenting at present, but I am still glad to hear what othesr are up to. I remain hopeful that we might get posted some pictures of Mashan's machine.... Kind regards Darryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Widup" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: > > I'm happy to see this list is still in existence. I haven't seen any > postings to it for months up till now, and was just about to send a test > post asking if it was still around. > > I'm one of the people who have been on it since just about Day 1. > > Zack > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: > > > Hi Taylor > > I thought that I might get It I had high hopes. > > > > In fact, I was more excited than ever when Greg sent me this the following paragraph. > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 30/06/2006 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 10 19:58:44 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7B2wPPU019959; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:58:26 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k7B2wHkK019889; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:58:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:58:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <44DBF246.3050408@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:58:14 -0500 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: References: <001201c6bb90$6a756100$5212f6d2@chernolapkin> In-Reply-To: <001201c6bb90$6a756100$5212f6d2@chernolapkin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25538 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 206 Hi Folks So I wonder how many of us who have "been here all along" are still here? I have been rather quiet, or actually busy, had to get off of the high volume lists. Working days schooling nights, and still have a couple of years left. So how many of the other old members are still lurking around out there? Darryl Ward wrote: > I too am glad to see it here. > > I now have a young family and do not really have time for experimenting at > present, but I am still glad to hear what othesr are up to. > > I remain hopeful that we might get posted some pictures of Mashan's > machine.... > > Kind regards > > Darryl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zack Widup" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > >> I'm happy to see this list is still in existence. I haven't seen any >> postings to it for months up till now, and was just about to send a test >> post asking if it was still around. >> >> I'm one of the people who have been on it since just about Day 1. >> >> Zack >> >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Taylor >>> I thought that I might get It I had high hopes. >>> >>> In fact, I was more excited than ever when Greg sent me this the >>> > following paragraph. > >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 30/06/2006 >> >> >> > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 11 02:55:08 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7B9sxZE017291; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:54:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k7B9smOU017226; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:54:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:54:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=qcgRyFzaaECOZtuEX9H+NadbZ1nbv1zR/IxD67XH4hA6gRaSgDiDVRn7o2g6CBMpbsJA+D1uhe1FzodRihFkIlncLL4SjQqwFkIWC/kOYO/nUUR2EyLYU/gFgi9vR6YEP8+O0TxbplWG2bzVv5Y39dVIZGJwiblMj6gb7gu/mmY= From: Bob Paddock Organization: The Designer-III Company http://www.designer-iii.com/ To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 05:54:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <001201c6bb90$6a756100$5212f6d2@chernolapkin> <44DBF246.3050408@swbell.net> In-Reply-To: <44DBF246.3050408@swbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608110554.44968.bob.paddock@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25539 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 207 On Thursday 10 August 2006 22:58, Charles Ford wrote: > So how many of the other old members are still lurking around out there? I'm still here. Working 12 hour days, to burned out to do much after work. Where should I send my resume? ;-) -- http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 11 07:20:02 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7BEJdaq020695; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:19:39 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k7BEJXup020654; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:19:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:19:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H53GNvrVY5PLuoAS77lVr97kmpGCsFdlflJfw7fToLOfH7jdOWMmKIEXCQFUHEa1wvqQ7jmLaknaJ/IHKyAafFdWQp/FgET3lb21VWe4f5WKO58+64VyuAgseio0TJJ2QHxyHCzZrY4yNjuQKbJfpBVQBEtFoixr97qTJpsnGEE= ; Message-ID: <20060811141923.31324.qmail@web52502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Mullins Subject: Re: [FG]: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <44DBF246.3050408@swbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1yDNxC.A.pCF.1HJ3EB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25540 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 208 Hi, My name is Greg Mullins...been lurking for quite a while...and you are right, there are too many high volume lists...so I'm basically in the same boat - working too much and not being creative enough with this, which I do feel needs work to be done! I am doing some theorizing on a few things, and hopefully will start another test soon... Hang in there guyz!! Greg --- Charles Ford wrote: > Hi Folks > > So I wonder how many of us who have "been here all > along" are still here? > I have been rather quiet, or actually busy, had to > get off of the high > volume lists. > Working days schooling nights, and still have a > couple of years left. > > So how many of the other old members are still > lurking around out there? > > > > Darryl Ward wrote: > > I too am glad to see it here. > > > > I now have a young family and do not really have > time for experimenting at > > present, but I am still glad to hear what othesr > are up to. > > > > I remain hopeful that we might get posted some > pictures of Mashan's > > machine.... > > > > Kind regards > > > > Darryl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Zack Widup" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > > > > > >> I'm happy to see this list is still in existence. > I haven't seen any > >> postings to it for months up till now, and was > just about to send a test > >> post asking if it was still around. > >> > >> I'm one of the people who have been on it since > just about Day 1. > >> > >> Zack > >> > >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Hi Taylor > >>> I thought that I might get It I had high hopes. > >>> > >>> In fact, I was more excited than ever when Greg > sent me this the > >>> > > following paragraph. > > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - > Release Date: 30/06/2006 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 11 11:37:11 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7BIal9k006250; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:36:48 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k7BIah31006209; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:36:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:36:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Laszlo" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:35:59 -0700 Organization: GIS Message-ID: <005e01c6bd74$fd777c00$5302a8c0@d400sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44DBF246.3050408@swbell.net> Thread-Index: Aca88n17BiWETul0QJaHY7iBDgtQ4QAgY8Mw Resent-Message-ID: <_w9uTB.A.0gB.64M3EB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25542 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 209 Ditto, all... Hopefully, the intriguing and the innovative will yet again pass through on occasion... In the meantime - where have they gone and what are they (we) up to? Stay safe... Laszlo Mariahazy -----Original Message----- From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@swbell.net] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:58 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Hi Folks So I wonder how many of us who have "been here all along" are still here? I have been rather quiet, or actually busy, had to get off of the high volume lists. Working days schooling nights, and still have a couple of years left. So how many of the other old members are still lurking around out there? Darryl Ward wrote: > I too am glad to see it here. > > I now have a young family and do not really have time for experimenting at > present, but I am still glad to hear what othesr are up to. > > I remain hopeful that we might get posted some pictures of Mashan's > machine.... > > Kind regards > > Darryl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zack Widup" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > >> I'm happy to see this list is still in existence. I haven't seen any >> postings to it for months up till now, and was just about to send a test >> post asking if it was still around. >> >> I'm one of the people who have been on it since just about Day 1. >> >> Zack >> >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Taylor >>> I thought that I might get It I had high hopes. >>> >>> In fact, I was more excited than ever when Greg sent me this the >>> > following paragraph. > >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 30/06/2006 >> >> >> > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 11 12:06:40 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7BJ123g026044; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:06:15 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k7BIKTKS027369; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:20:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:20:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,115,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="758217187:sNHT561348714" From: "Jeff Nelson" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060811141923.31324.qmail@web52502.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Aca9Ub0lWGXllBlRSh+JVbG6W1wxUwAFubxA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Jeff Nelson" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25541 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 210 Been her all along. I too work insane hours and can't get the time to do research and run experiments. If I could, that's all I would do. I always read the stuff that comes through the line so don't stop. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mullins [mailto:gregmullins@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:19 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Hi, My name is Greg Mullins...been lurking for quite a while...and you are right, there are too many high volume lists...so I'm basically in the same boat - working too much and not being creative enough with this, which I do feel needs work to be done! I am doing some theorizing on a few things, and hopefully will start another test soon... Hang in there guyz!! Greg --- Charles Ford wrote: > Hi Folks > > So I wonder how many of us who have "been here all > along" are still here? > I have been rather quiet, or actually busy, had to > get off of the high > volume lists. > Working days schooling nights, and still have a > couple of years left. > > So how many of the other old members are still > lurking around out there? > > > > Darryl Ward wrote: > > I too am glad to see it here. > > > > I now have a young family and do not really have > time for experimenting at > > present, but I am still glad to hear what othesr > are up to. > > > > I remain hopeful that we might get posted some > pictures of Mashan's > > machine.... > > > > Kind regards > > > > Darryl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Zack Widup" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > > > > > >> I'm happy to see this list is still in existence. > I haven't seen any > >> postings to it for months up till now, and was > just about to send a test > >> post asking if it was still around. > >> > >> I'm one of the people who have been on it since > just about Day 1. > >> > >> Zack > >> > >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Randy E Hargraves wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Hi Taylor > >>> I thought that I might get It I had high hopes. > >>> > >>> In fact, I was more excited than ever when Greg > sent me this the > >>> > > following paragraph. > > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - > Release Date: 30/06/2006 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mcallister" To: References: <001201c6bb90$6a756100$5212f6d2@chernolapkin> <44DBF246.3050408@swbell.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:24:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <8ojB4.A.l2E.Fhl3EB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25543 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 211 ---- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Ford" To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: > Hi Folks > > So I wonder how many of us who have "been here all along" are still here? > I have been rather quiet, or actually busy, had to get off of the high > volume lists. > Working days schooling nights, and still have a couple of years left. > > So how many of the other old members are still lurking around out there? 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--============_-1055404088==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 29 14:11:17 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7TLAw2V005474; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:10:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k7TLAuXx005431; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:10:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:10:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.232) by wfilter2.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Aug 2006 21:11:19 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Jack Trucker" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:11:17 +0800 X-Originating-Ip: 70.161.170.142 X-Originating-Server: ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060829211117.A8121CA0A4@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id k7TLAr2T005358 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25545 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Unidentified subject! Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 213 Hello, I wanted everyone on the list to know I've acquired a large amount of neon subwoofer ring kits with flybacks and microphone electronics, these are basically neon tubes shaped in a circle and housed in high impact plastic(that's removable) for decoration of large subwoofers for the cars everyone always hears booming down the streets, the kits are exactly like these here http://www.pyleaudio.com/itemdetail.asp?model=PLNR12BL except they are a different brand, these would be good for all sorts of high voltage and tesla coil experiments, the neon rings and easily be played around with by the more clumsy without having to worry about breaking the fragile glass inside, use them for demonstrating the near field effects of tesla coils or other high voltage sources, you can use the medium size potted flyback to drive a small or mini coil or cascade multiplier, they work great for both. I have kits that come with 12inch ring pairs and 10 inch ring pairs, they're all blue, the inverter and circuit runs off 12vdc, the inverter itself is seperate from the microphone electronics, so you can use the sound sensing electronics for another project if you wish, and use the inverter alone to power whatever else you want to run. I'm asking $4 per 10inch pair kit plus shipping, and $5 for the 12inch pair kits plus shipping, The price I'm asking alone is worth it just for the high voltage electronics, and the tubes especially, since neon tubing is quite expensive. The flyback produces about 2KV HF AC. Also, the 10 inch kits will ship quite easily in a standard USPS priority mail box without any additional packing material after you trim the plastic packaging a little, the 12 inch pairs will cost more to ship of course. I have ALOT of these so please let me know if you're interested. -- __________________________________________________ Now you can search for products and services http://search.mail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 29 14:47:15 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7TLl3du027019; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:47:03 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k7TLkvBl026977; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:46:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:46:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.232) by wfilter2.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Aug 2006 21:47:21 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Jack Trucker" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:47:20 +0800 X-Originating-Ip: 70.161.170.142 X-Originating-Server: ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060829214720.C84DCCA0A4@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id k7TLktHR026946 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25546 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Brand new Neon rings and small inverter flybacks for sale. Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 214 Hello, I wanted everyone on the list to know I've acquired a large amount of neon subwoofer ring kits with flybacks and microphone electronics, these are basically neon tubes shaped in a circle and housed in high impact plastic(that's removable) for decoration of large subwoofers for the cars everyone always hears booming down the streets, the kits are exactly like these here http://www.pyleaudio.com/itemdetail.asp?model=PLNR12BL except they are a different brand, these would be good for all sorts of high voltage and tesla coil experiments, the neon rings and easily be played around with by the more clumsy without having to worry about breaking the fragile glass inside, use them for demonstrating the near field effects of tesla coils or other high voltage sources, you can use the medium size potted flyback to drive a small or mini coil or cascade multiplier, they work great for both. I have kits that come with 12inch ring pairs and 10 inch ring pairs, they're all blue, the inverter and circuit runs off 12vdc, the inverter itself is seperate from the microphone electronics, so you can use the sound sensing electronics for another project if you wish, and use the inverter alone to power whatever else you want to run. I'm asking $4 per 10inch pair kit plus shipping, and $5 for the 12inch pair kits plus shipping, The price I'm asking alone is worth it just for the high voltage electronics, and the tubes especially, since neon tubing is quite expensive. The flyback produces about 2KV HF AC. Also, the 10 inch kits will ship quite easily in a standard USPS priority mail box without any additional packing material after you trim the plastic packaging a little, the 12 inch pairs will cost more to ship of course. I have ALOT of these so please let me know if you're interested. -- __________________________________________________ Now you can search for products and services http://search.mail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 30 01:48:06 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7U8loW2005415; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:47:51 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k7U8lmDQ005390; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:47:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:47:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:47:37 -0800 Message-ID: <9E5060084D4.00000C1Ajerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Unidentified subject! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <20060829211117.A8121CA0A4@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-IWM-ACU: 4lq2BhY7sghaO8IuBcbp8lc4hHs2Kp7VtCrfW8qIF3rYl6LqQA4hdYPdcvnM ASIMLDoIx6VpiszH5Ioo3SvZUiScEqQyEqs0hykKvFtBFJc-IGiOM9rYspTC TkP_s9cUUxiJO8p2bstDSzA@@ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id k7U8ljdb005311 Resent-Message-ID: <6_6xT.A.IUB.zCV9EB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25547 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 215 Jack, Electricity is my hobby, so of course I'd like to have some of these. It would be especially nice if the flyback could be powered by the sound input? What's the shipping rate to Phoenix, AZ, and how do I order? Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: vertigo3000@glay.org > Sent: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:11:17 +0800 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: Unidentified subject! > > Hello, I wanted everyone on the list to know I've acquired a large amount > of neon subwoofer ring kits with flybacks and microphone electronics, > these are basically neon tubes shaped in a circle and housed in high > impact plastic(that's removable) for decoration of large subwoofers for > the cars everyone always hears booming down the streets, the kits are > exactly like these here > http://www.pyleaudio.com/itemdetail.asp?model=PLNR12BL except they are a > different brand, these would be good for all sorts of high voltage and > tesla coil experiments, the neon rings and easily be played around with > by the more clumsy without having to worry about breaking the fragile > glass inside, use them for demonstrating the near field effects of tesla > coils or other high voltage sources, you can use the medium size potted > flyback to drive a small or mini coil or cascade multiplier, they work > great for both. I have kits that come with 12inch ring pairs and 10 inch > ring pairs, they're all blue, the i! > nverter and circuit runs off 12vdc, the inverter itself is seperate from > the microphone electronics, so you can use the sound sensing electronics > for another project if you wish, and use the inverter alone to power > whatever else you want to run. I'm asking $4 per 10inch pair kit plus > shipping, and $5 for the 12inch pair kits plus shipping, The price I'm > asking alone is worth it just for the high voltage electronics, and the > tubes especially, since neon tubing is quite expensive. The flyback > produces about 2KV HF AC. Also, the 10 inch kits will ship quite easily > in a standard USPS priority mail box without any additional packing > material after you trim the plastic packaging a little, the 12 inch pairs > will cost more to ship of course. I have ALOT of these so please let me > know if you're interested. > > > -- > __________________________________________________ > Now you can search for products and services > http://search.mail.com ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 12 19:27:53 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8D2RRbH024809; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:27:28 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k8D2RI7X024700; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:27:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:27:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.232) by wfilter2.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Sep 2006 02:31:49 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Jack Trucker" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:31:48 +0800 Subject: RE: [FG]: Unidentified subject! X-Originating-Ip: 70.161.99.135 X-Originating-Server: ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060913023148.E8300CA0A6@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id k8D2RDib024637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25548 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 216 Jerry,what size would you need and how many of them, I'm not sure if I'll have many left but I might be able to get my from my supplier, You can't power the potted flyback circuit from the sound, the sound merely activates a circuit to turn on or off the flyback circuit, please let me know. Adam (Jack is just my alias) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Volland" > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: Unidentified subject! > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:47:37 -0800 > > > Jack, > > Electricity is my hobby, so of course I'd like to have some of > these. It would be especially nice if the flyback could be powered > by the sound input? What's the shipping rate to Phoenix, AZ, and > how do I order? > > Jerry > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vertigo3000@glay.org > > Sent: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:11:17 +0800 > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: [FG]: Unidentified subject! > > > > Hello, I wanted everyone on the list to know I've acquired a large amount > > of neon subwoofer ring kits with flybacks and microphone electronics, > > these are basically neon tubes shaped in a circle and housed in high > > impact plastic(that's removable) for decoration of large subwoofers for > > the cars everyone always hears booming down the streets, the kits are > > exactly like these here > > http://www.pyleaudio.com/itemdetail.asp?model=PLNR12BL except they are a > > different brand, these would be good for all sorts of high voltage and > > tesla coil experiments, the neon rings and easily be played around with > > by the more clumsy without having to worry about breaking the fragile > > glass inside, use them for demonstrating the near field effects of tesla > > coils or other high voltage sources, you can use the medium size potted > > flyback to drive a small or mini coil or cascade multiplier, they work > > great for both. I have kits that come with 12inch ring pairs and 10 inch > > ring pairs, they're all blue, the i! > > nverter and circuit runs off 12vdc, the inverter itself is seperate from > > the microphone electronics, so you can use the sound sensing electronics > > for another project if you wish, and use the inverter alone to power > > whatever else you want to run. I'm asking $4 per 10inch pair kit plus > > shipping, and $5 for the 12inch pair kits plus shipping, The price I'm > > asking alone is worth it just for the high voltage electronics, and the > > tubes especially, since neon tubing is quite expensive. The flyback > > produces about 2KV HF AC. Also, the 10 inch kits will ship quite easily > > in a standard USPS priority mail box without any additional packing > > material after you trim the plastic packaging a little, the 12 inch pairs > > will cost more to ship of course. I have ALOT of these so please let me > > know if you're interested. > > > > > > -- > > __________________________________________________ > > Now you can search for products and services > > http://search.mail.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > -- __________________________________________________ Now you can search for products and services http://search.mail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 11 21:45:19 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9C4imU8027853; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:44:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id k9C4iZx6027774; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:44:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:44:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.221.74.89] X-Originating-Email: [doitclean@hotmail.com] X-Sender: doitclean@hotmail.com From: "Daniel Dawson" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:44:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2006 04:44:33.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CFD8FF0:01C6EDB9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25549 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: speaker ring flyback Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 217

how do i get 1?.

Dan


Try the new Live Search today! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 7 15:07:11 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kA7N6iIn013811; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:06:45 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id kA7N6fTG013782; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:06:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:06:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <005401c702c1$5db5fce0$7b5537d2@1695C3D4B4> From: "rown" To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:06:31 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C7032E.53E230E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0646-2, 07/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25550 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: rowncube Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 218 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C7032E.53E230E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gidday all. here is my site I just got up, go to the rowncube magnetic=20 transformer that's what I've been thinking on for some year's, not = finished=20 yet but it as simple as, so might work, the site is not finished but at = last it's working and I can show some picture's http://www.alrart.net/ AL R Rowntree=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C7032E.53E230E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gidday all. here is my site I just got up, go to the rowncube = magnetic=20
transformer that's what I've been thinking on for some year's, not = finished=20
yet but it as simple as, so might work,  the site is not = finished but=20 at
last it's working and I can show some picture's
http://www.alrart.net/

AL R = Rowntree=20
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C7032E.53E230E0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 8 10:44:55 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kA8IePRU025909; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:44:45 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id kA8IVUcx016508; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:31:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:31:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: peter kornev To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [64.228.45.105] Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:31:22 +0300 In-Reply-To: =?koi8-r?Q?<005401c702c1$5db5fce0$7b5537d2=401695C3D4B4>?= Reply-To: peter kornev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25551 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: =?koi8-r?Q?Re=3A_[FG]=3A_rowncube?= Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 219 Hello Rowntree I have took a look at your site, and the picture. But your letter makes absoulutelly no sence at all. It is made up of simple sentencess piled one upon another. Could you at least put them in some sort of order, so they would make atleast a little more sence. As to the picture, i haven't got a clue what it is about. Could you at least tell us what it is?. -----Original Message----- From: "rown" To: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:06:31 +1300 Subject: [FG]: rowncube > Gidday all. here is my site I just got up, go to the rowncube magnetic > transformer that's what I've been thinking on for some year's, not finished > yet but it as simple as, so might work, the site is not finished but at > last it's working and I can show some picture's > http://www.alrart.net/ > > AL R Rowntree > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 8 12:08:09 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kA8K7klf006208; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:07:46 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id kA8K7h6S006179; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:07:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:07:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:47:41 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: =?koi8-r?Q?Re=3A_[FG]=3A_rowncube?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25552 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 220 I have to agree; that is one of the most confusing websites I've seen. Zack On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, peter kornev wrote: > > Hello Rowntree > I have took a look at your site, and the picture. But your letter makes absoulutelly no sence at all. It is made up of simple sentencess piled one upon another. Could you at least put them in some sort of order, so they would make atleast a little more sence. As to the picture, i haven't got a clue what it is about. Could you at least tell us what it is?. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "rown" > To: > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:06:31 +1300 > Subject: [FG]: rowncube > > > Gidday all. here is my site I just got up, go to the rowncube magnetic > > transformer that's what I've been thinking on for some year's, not finished > > yet but it as simple as, so might work, the site is not finished but at > > last it's working and I can show some picture's > > http://www.alrart.net/ > > > > AL R Rowntree > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 8 20:34:11 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kA94XtRO014861; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:33:55 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id kA94XnTE014759; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:33:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:33:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <003501c703b8$3c43a380$7ca137d2@1695C3D4B4> From: "rown" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: [FG]: rowncube Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:33:41 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0646-2, 07/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25553 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 221 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Widup" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: [FG]: rowncube >I have to agree; that is one of the most confusing websites I've seen. IT won't be understood by rich devils > > Zack > > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, peter kornev wrote: > >> >> Hello Rowntree >> I have took a look at your site, and the picture. But your letter makes >> absoulutelly no sence at all. It is made up of simple sentencess piled >> one upon another. Could you at least put them in some sort of order, so >> they would make atleast a little more sence. As to the picture, i haven't >> got a clue what it is about. Could you at least tell us what it is?. Devils do not understand what is simple. The picture's and plan's depict a magnetic transformer worked on the principal of free energy, for those who believe in the Lord of the Rings, you will never buy one, you must be given one or build it on faith. Good day and good gardening Arrow n tree >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "rown" >> To: >> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:06:31 +1300 >> Subject: [FG]: rowncube >> >> > Gidday all. here is my site I just got up, go to the rowncube magnetic >> > transformer that's what I've been thinking on for some year's, not >> > finished >> > yet but it as simple as, so might work, the site is not finished but >> > at >> > last it's working and I can show some picture's >> > http://www.alrart.net/ >> > >> > AL R Rowntree >> > >> > >> >> > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 10 18:55:52 2006 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kAB2tUSS009463; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:55:30 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id kAB2tRMt009439; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:55:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:55:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01c7053f$5b117de0$82976144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: <20050429021610.22154.qmail@web42110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:13:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25554 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: Prometheus Effect Smot - Thanks!!!!!!! Randy USA Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 222 Hi Greg I am Randy Elston Hargraves I haven't heard from you for a while. So, I just thought that I would check in with you. I Got the impression that you have know intentions of sending the Smot with the measuring system and thus, was going to send me a refund. I have not recieved it yet. My address and Phone Number is still the same as it is listed in this email . I hope it hasn't got lost in the mail. However, If you haven't sent it yet, please don't forget about me, at least until after you have sent me the Product that I requested or my money. Thanks I would like a good email address on you also, If any one has a good email address on Greg Watson please feel free to forword this to him. Thanks Randy Elston Hargraves of Yukon OKlahoma. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prometheus Effect" To: "FreeEnergy" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect Smot - Thanks!!!!!!! Randy USA > Hi Randy, > > Thanks for the feedback. > > You should have your SMOT kit with the new measurement > system in early July. > > Anyone else waiting for their SMOT kits, please let me > have your name and delivery details. > > Greg > > --- Randy E Hargraves wrote: > > hI Greg It was very good to here from you. > > > > I breifly looked at your Promtheus Effect Web sight, > > I am going back to it to examine it better. > > > > Wow! I am getting excited again about this project. > > > > It looks very interresting. > > > > Randy Elston Hargraves > > 601 John F. Kroutil Dr. > > Yukon Oklahoma > > 73099 > > USA > > > > Home 1-405-350-0503 > > Other 1-405-354-0033 > > > > Thanks Again > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Prometheus Effect" > > > > To: "FreeEnergy" ; "Vortex" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:09 PM > > Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect > > > > > > > Randy Elston wrote: > > > > > > Hi Friends > > > > > > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid > > for > > > a SMOT unit from Greg Watson. I never received it. > > I > > > am extremely disappointed. If someone has a good > > > e-mail address on him I would like it. In fact, > > feel > > > free to forward this message to him. > > > > > > I am Randy Elston Hargraves > > > in Oklahoma USA > > > 1(405) 354-0044 Cell > > > I feel Cheated > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Hi Randy, Jed and any others who are owed SMOT > > kits. > > > You might want to check out: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > > > > > You wil be getting your SMOT kit complete with a > > new > > > measurement system which proves the Prometheus > > Effect > > > at the heart of the SMOT device is OU. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > > Movies. > > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 09:21:54 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l17H0EGb001567; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:00:47 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l17Gv0A5031690; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:57:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:56:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.205.249.84] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:42:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C74ADF.4DAA7E50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2007 15:42:10.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[87FD47B0:01C74ACE] Resent-Message-ID: <8hFMc.A.4tH.UTgyFB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25555 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: candle power Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 223 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C74ADF.4DAA7E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The research is complete. The solution was found :) http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C74ADF.4DAA7E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The research is=20 complete.

The solution was found=20 :)

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batter= ies/

 

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C74ADF.4DAA7E50-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 10:48:44 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l17ImYoM025041; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:48:35 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l17ImWnv025027; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:48:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:48:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.81.152.0] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com In-Reply-To: From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: candle power Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:48:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2007 18:48:32.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[90782710:01C74AE8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25556 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 224 GN wrote "The research is complete. The solution was found :)" http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ What the ---- are you doing on this list? You would make a lousy magician! _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 21:21:10 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l185KuU7013612; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:20:56 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l185Knl6013574; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:20:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:20:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bpPAHDWRNPuSLnpyz+rXthkIbab8sfmYVBLMoselHEau6KZfOfixJHOgyJV/tTsD/6oEpvpBvopPQVc5tu+BPOkFP/tFLEuiiMf0g4Oqe1IJtYo6PHK3QpSfEWrQcql7zXbsUWm2RWCLXK8XplEmSXgQ7X9R1yw5X71UND5ELNc= ; X-YMail-OSG: naUUP9wVM1mVgNctXpt9vslSNXUI9NOOsj3jVs2SA6o7kVhLTUusBlze6TCvnnT.JeN3Zzy2lrROgnr4oTDfL.MrUgs6dzwpfxgyaGj5Y9Q4tT7AQLT3rv3pbAVPTVc6mtdoD9TGeoo9gIcaHd4lZFqKFk_oksv1jyZLgHMDauArBxBpbcZU_iSCDVnk Message-ID: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:20:43 -0600 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8MjaGB.A.BUD.xMryFB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25557 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 225 I do know... I was amused. :-) M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > GN wrote > "The research is complete. > > The solution was found :)" > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ > > > What the ---- are you doing on this list? > You would make a lousy magician! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 21:59:39 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l185xRYK013912; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:59:27 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l185xPj7013899; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:59:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:59:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lwmGWH4mFKnLWCDS4fIPH51TRhmuD4dGfM7VoNRhsnRA3uhUkvPnt6UPzNHqySdr5aCkTi65zJqdKfXNq3EmaSel43w2+Qza/BV7Y0M2IQQvFwc68BeeogU4/sP1B9pQo8lgE4cE6sNvebRlMXEvjkZr8YEaMux8UUcwqEBz9aY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:59:24 -0700 From: "leaking pen" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power In-Reply-To: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25558 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 226 Anyone know the principles behind this? On 2/7/07, Charles Ford wrote: > I do know... I was amused. :-) > > M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > GN wrote > > "The research is complete. > > > > The solution was found :)" > > > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ > > > > > > What the ---- are you doing on this list? > > You would make a lousy magician! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. > > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG > > > > > > > > -- That which yields isn't always weak. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 22:44:46 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l186iZTT019961; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:44:35 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l186iXww019954; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:44:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:44:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <785457327-1170917064-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-302676236-@bxe047-cell00.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Reply-To: votkatini@gmx.net References: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power From: votkatini@gmx.net Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:44:19 +0000 Content-type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by ultra6.eskimo.com id l186iWUl019934 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25559 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 227 First of all - does this really work? Has anyone tryed this? R. Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "leaking pen" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:59:24 To:freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power Anyone know the principles behind this? On 2/7/07, Charles Ford wrote: > I do know... I was amused. :-) > > M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > GN wrote > > "The research is complete. > > > > The solution was found :)" > > > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ > > > > > > What the ---- are you doing on this list? > > You would make a lousy magician! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. > > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG > > > > > > > > -- That which yields isn't always weak. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 00:18:17 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l188I3lQ003433; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:18:04 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l188I29b003413; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:18:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:18:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:17:58 +1300 From: Darryl Ward Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <00ce01c74b59$a510c260$0302a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> <785457327-1170917064-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-302676236-@bxe047-cell00.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25560 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 228 I haven't, but I might do over the weekend if nobody else tries it first. One part that puzzled me was magnetising the nails. I got the impression that both nails were given the same polarity. I would have expected opposite polarities. Also, surely it would take more than a just couple of strokes with a magnet to magnetise a nail properly? Darryl __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > First of all - does this really work? Has anyone tryed this? > > R. > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: "leaking pen" > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:59:24 > To:freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > Anyone know the principles behind this? > > On 2/7/07, Charles Ford wrote: > > I do know... I was amused. :-) > > > > M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > > GN wrote > > > "The research is complete. > > > > > > The solution was found :)" > > > > > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ > > > > > > > > > What the ---- are you doing on this list? > > > You would make a lousy magician! > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. > > > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > That which yields isn't always weak. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: 06/02/2007 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 00:29:32 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l188TCdM027629; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:29:12 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l188TArD027620; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:29:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:29:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.205.249.84] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: References: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:28:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2007 08:29:05.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[31F00870:01C74B5B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25561 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 229 I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control to close a relay. I liked the simplicity of his idea :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "leaking pen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > Anyone know the principles behind this? > > On 2/7/07, Charles Ford wrote: >> I do know... I was amused. :-) >> >> M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: >> > GN wrote >> > "The research is complete. >> > >> > The solution was found :)" >> > >> > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ >> > >> > >> > What the ---- are you doing on this list? >> > You would make a lousy magician! >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. >> > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > That which yields isn't always weak. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 00:59:22 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l188x56R009815; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:59:05 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l188x28v009776; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:59:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:59:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <002701c74b5e$9fd05c70$daa137d2@1695C3D4B4> From: "rown" To: References: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> <785457327-1170917064-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-302676236-@bxe047-cell00.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <00ce01c74b59$a510c260$0302a8c0@chernolapkin> Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:53:36 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="koi8-r"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000711-3, 07/02/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25562 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 230 yes the nails went in easyer than reality I would say ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Ward" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power >I haven't, but I might do over the weekend if nobody else tries it first. > > One part that puzzled me was magnetising the nails. > > I got the impression that both nails were given the same polarity. I would > have expected opposite polarities. > > Also, surely it would take more than a just couple of strokes with a > magnet > to magnetise a nail properly? > > Darryl > > > > > __________________________________ > > This message was sent by Darryl Ward. > > www.dward.tk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > >> First of all - does this really work? Has anyone tryed this? >> >> R. >> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "leaking pen" >> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:59:24 >> To:freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power >> >> Anyone know the principles behind this? >> >> On 2/7/07, Charles Ford wrote: >> > I do know... I was amused. :-) >> > >> > M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: >> > > GN wrote >> > > "The research is complete. >> > > >> > > The solution was found :)" >> > > >> > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ >> > > >> > > >> > > What the ---- are you doing on this list? >> > > You would make a lousy magician! >> > > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ >> > > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. >> > > > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> That which yields isn't always weak. >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: > 06/02/2007 >> >> > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 02:37:57 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18AbdZP000375; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:37:40 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18Abbcn000354; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:37:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:37:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <1209680986-1170931047-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-1860299505-@bxe026-cell00.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Reply-To: votkatini@gmx.net References: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power From: votkatini@gmx.net Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:37:21 +0000 Content-type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by ultra5.eskimo.com id l18AbYKa000327 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25563 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 231 So has anyone tested this egsactly how it is shown on video? Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "G N" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:28:56 To: Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control to close a relay. I liked the simplicity of his idea :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "leaking pen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > Anyone know the principles behind this? > > On 2/7/07, Charles Ford wrote: >> I do know... I was amused. :-) >> >> M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: >> > GN wrote >> > "The research is complete. >> > >> > The solution was found :)" >> > >> > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ >> > >> > >> > What the ---- are you doing on this list? >> > You would make a lousy magician! >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. >> > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > That which yields isn't always weak. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 02:45:32 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18AjMfl014576; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:45:22 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18AjLuH014566; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:45:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:45:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Crvs6JRylwd0efPjah5iNWNEuzlVBB9Vr5dxuLQlpbO9sdw+i2IE5VTle+XaiFmktzoziOz1yYIMQF1m4XACZh7LIj7YJyGmHD+Su61BKixO9ZUhCtzVrQOjre2bLaLQBFsdGg9e9hlK46CuYkAnRvXxOeZYHpLSq2mtR0JZPUE= Message-ID: <538fa8f10702080245y6163c0c3o10866fca4ce81400@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:45:10 +0200 From: "Esa Ruoho" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, votkatini@gmx.net Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power In-Reply-To: <1209680986-1170931047-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-1860299505-@bxe026-cell00.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24033_27728977.1170931510047" References: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> <1209680986-1170931047-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-1860299505-@bxe026-cell00.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25564 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 232 ------=_Part_24033_27728977.1170931510047 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jerry Decker has been on it a bit and threw this at it: Thanks to James (futurescience) for sharing this incredible video with us here at keelynet.com - (A personal note, I tried this and couldn't get anything out..I used two fat votive candles, with a sanded galvanized nail driven in to hit the wick and a regular flashlight bulb at 3vdc but nothing happened. Not a bit of voltage let alone a lighted bulb as in the video...it might be a grain of wheat bulb and not a typical flashlight bulb, not specified in the video...it could be a hoax or I'm not doing something right. - JWD) This basic demonstration and proof of principle requires just 2 Candles, 2 Nails, a Magnet to magnetize the nails, two alligator clips and a load (+/- 3vdc flashlight bulb, motor, etc.) I think this is the most fascinating video I've yet seen. It is definitely something to test for yourself and the comments on the page below the video indicate OTHERS have also been able to make it work. The video suggests that the nails need to be pushed in far enough to touch the wick inside the candle to act as a conducting wire (waxed wire, like an electret?)...I'm puzzled because I can't imagine it being due to heat or the wax would melt around the wick down to the nail. Could it be thermoelectric? Ionic? Whatever is the cause of this novel effect, it could be a unique way to recharge your cell, iPod or other devices or even provide for emergency power if it turns out to be scaleable. Perhaps a propane burner on two nails or is the wax critical for the production of current. During the rainy season here we sometimes lose electricity and I resort to candles, this way I might be able to power a few flashlight bulbs or bright LEDs from the candles...how COOL!!! Wonder what happens if you hooked a neodymium or rare earth magnet to the nails to increase the flux density? then the following happened on the keelynet discussion list ( http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/KeelyNet_Interact/message/91 ) "Did some continuity checks as these votive candles have metal plates on which the wick is suspended, thus a good connection. I measured near zero continuity from the charred wick down to the metal plate but NOTHING at the nail. Meaning I didn't have it butted up against the internal length of the wick...stuck it in where I thought it lined up, but...guess...not, however, I am not giving up yet... First, have to make sure there is conductivity, then that the nails are truly magentized, then that the load is low enough to show the production of voltage, as in with a grain of wheat bulb, LED or something of low power drain. Must have the basic phenomena before any attempts to scale up. Must admit, I was surprised there was conductivity from the wick down to the base! On 08/02/07, votkatini@gmx.net wrote: > > So has anyone tested this egsactly how it is shown on video? > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: "G N" > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:28:56 > To: > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically > conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control to > close > a relay. > > I liked the simplicity of his idea :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leaking pen" < itsatrap@gmail.com> > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:59 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > > > Anyone know the principles behind this? > > > > On 2/7/07, Charles Ford wrote: > >> I do know... I was amused. :-) > >> > >> M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > >> > GN wrote > >> > "The research is complete. > >> > > >> > The solution was found :)" > >> > > >> > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ > >> > > >> > > >> > What the ---- are you doing on this list? > >> > You would make a lousy magician! > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. > >> > > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > That which yields isn't always weak. > > > > > > ------=_Part_24033_27728977.1170931510047 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jerry Decker has been on it a bit and threw this at it:

Thanks to James (futurescience) for sharing this incredible video with us here at keelynet.com - (A personal note, I tried this and couldn't get anything out..I used two fat votive candles, with a sanded galvanized nail driven in to hit the wick and a regular flashlight bulb at 3vdc but nothing happened. Not a bit of voltage let alone a lighted bulb as in the video...it might be a grain of wheat bulb and not a typical flashlight bulb, not specified in the video...it could be a hoax or I'm not doing something right. - JWD) This basic demonstration and proof of principle requires just 2 Candles, 2 Nails, a Magnet to magnetize the nails, two alligator clips and a load (+/- 3vdc flashlight bulb, motor, etc.) I think this is the most fascinating video I've yet seen. It is definitely something to test for yourself and the comments on the page below the video indicate OTHERS have also been able to make it work. The video suggests that the nails need to be pushed in far enough to touch the wick inside the candle to act as a conducting wire (waxed wire, like an electret?)...I'm puzzled because I can't imagine it being due to heat or the wax would melt around the wick down to the nail. Could it be thermoelectric? Ionic? Whatever is the cause of this novel effect, it could be a unique way to recharge your cell, iPod or other devices or even provide for emergency power if it turns out to be scaleable. Perhaps a propane burner on two nails or is the wax critical for the production of current. During the rainy season here we sometimes lose electricity and I resort to candles, this way I might be able to power a few flashlight bulbs or bright LEDs from the candles...how COOL!!! Wonder what happens if you hooked a neodymium or rare earth magnet to the nails to increase the flux density?


then the following happened on the keelynet discussion list ( http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/KeelyNet_Interact/message/91 )

"Did some continuity checks as these votive candles have metal plates on
which the wick is suspended, thus a good connection.

I measured near zero continuity from the charred wick down to the metal
plate but NOTHING at the nail.

Meaning I didn't have it butted up against the internal length of the
wick...stuck it in where I thought it lined up, but...guess...not,
however, I am not giving up yet...

First, have to make sure there is conductivity, then that the nails are
truly magentized, then that the load is low enough to show the
production of voltage, as in with a grain of wheat bulb, LED or
something of low power drain.

Must have the basic phenomena before any attempts to scale up.

Must admit, I was surprised there was conductivity from the wick down to
the base!


On 08/02/07, votkatini@gmx.net <votkatini@gmx.net> wrote:
So has anyone tested this egsactly how it is shown on video?
Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: "G N" < poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com >
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:28:56
To:<freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power

I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically
conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control to close
a relay.

I liked the simplicity of his idea :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "leaking pen" < itsatrap@gmail.com>
To: <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power


> Anyone know the principles behind this?
>
> On 2/7/07, Charles Ford <cjford1@swbell.net> wrote:
>> I do know...  I was amused.  :-)
>>
>> M J Mitch Mitchell wrote:
>> > GN wrote
>> > "The research is complete.
>> >
>> > The solution was found :)"
>> >
>> > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/
>> >
>> >
>> > What the ---- are you doing on this list?
>> > You would make a lousy magician!
>> >
>> > _________________________________________________________________
>> > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count.
>> > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> That which yields isn't always weak.
>
>


------=_Part_24033_27728977.1170931510047-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 05:44:26 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18Di7kP010493; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:44:07 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18Di5RF010485; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:44:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:44:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <012101c74b87$301b1d60$e1bdc24b@coryktlal25vux> Reply-To: "Mike Johnston" From: "Mike Johnston" To: References: <45CAB32B.3030702@swbell.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:13:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25565 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 233 Hi Charles etc, I just saw this discussion and I thought that I would re-surface and say hello. MJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Ford" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power >I do know... I was amused. :-) > > M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: >> GN wrote >> "The research is complete. >> >> The solution was found :)" >> >> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ >> >> >> What the ---- are you doing on this list? >> You would make a lousy magician! >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. >> http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 > 5:52 PM > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 08:11:43 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18GBYpp024500; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:11:34 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18GBWm0024486; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:11:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:11:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [FG]: candle power Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:11:03 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <538fa8f10702080245y6163c0c3o10866fca4ce81400@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FG]: candle power Thread-Index: AcdLbphRjD0CUpS9Sg6iNHcZDCJhaAALIH3A From: "Hatch, David Tucson" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2007 16:11:04.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBE8F8D0:01C74B9B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra6.eskimo.com id l18GBUAv024458 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25566 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 234 >From: Esa Ruoho [mailto:esaruoho@gmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:45 AM > >Must admit, I was surprised there was conductivity from the wick down to >the base! Many candles have a lead wire running through the wick. It helps to hold the wick straight when pouring the wax. Most candles of Chinese manufactire have them. David From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 08:13:05 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18GCnEd026701; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:12:50 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18GCmPc026669; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:12:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:12:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [FG]: candle power - wicks Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:12:33 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <538fa8f10702080245y6163c0c3o10866fca4ce81400@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FG]: candle power - wicks Thread-Index: AcdLbphRjD0CUpS9Sg6iNHcZDCJhaAALTyRA From: "Hatch, David Tucson" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2007 16:12:34.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[F16EE820:01C74B9B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra6.eskimo.com id l18GChHx026366 Resent-Message-ID: <2ftfQB.A.fgG._v0yFB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25567 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 235 Should also mention they also come in tin-lead alloy (solder) and zinc core. David From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 08:13:30 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18GDHaF027492; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:13:17 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18GDFML027460; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:13:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:13:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:13:03 EST Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1170951183" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5036 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25568 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 236 -------------------------------1170951183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, esaruoho@gmail.com writes: I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control to close a relay. I liked the simplicity of his idea :) My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video on each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. Ken -------------------------------1170951183 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------------------------------1170951183-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 12:44:33 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18KiNwm016542; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:44:23 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18KiKl3016524; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:44:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:44:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Jeff Nelson" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: candle power Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:44:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C74B8F.9B39A000" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdLnt5PDYz9nGCgRE6vUuVMXr52VwAE04cw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Disposition-Notification-To: "Jeff Nelson" X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25569 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 237 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C74B8F.9B39A000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was activated or deactivated. Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above the table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. Jeff Nelson (763) 390-4982 Email: jpnel@charter.net _____ From: Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, esaruoho@gmail.com writes: I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control to close a relay. I liked the simplicity of his idea :) My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video on each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. Ken ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C74B8F.9B39A000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I noticed his hands sent to the = exact location when the system was activated or = deactivated.

Notice how he tucks them under the = table, if he kept his hands above the table as he blown out the candles, he = could still have a foot switch.

 

Jeff = Nelson

(763) = 390-4982

Email: = jpnel@charter.net<= /b>

 

=

From: = Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February = 08, 2007 10:13 AM
To: = freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [FG]: candle = power

 

In a message dated 2/8/2007 = 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, esaruoho@gmail.com = writes:

I think he put baterries in the = candles, made the table electrically
conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control to = close
a relay.

I liked the simplicity of his idea :)

My guess is that when the test = leads partially flop out of the video on each side, he connects an unseen = external battery with pin probes into the leads on each side.  That is how I = would do it.

 

=

      = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;          Ken

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C74B8F.9B39A000-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 13:10:48 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18LAPFr018190; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:10:25 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18LAM7S018168; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:10:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:10:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:09:16 -0800 From: nitroburn Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power In-reply-to: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <45CB917C.6050005@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25570 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 238 This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. Jeff Nelson wrote: > I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was > activated or deactivated. > > Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above the > table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. > > > > **Jeff Nelson** > > **(763) 390-4982** > > **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM > *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, > esaruoho@gmail.com writes: > > I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically > conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control > to close > a relay. > > I liked the simplicity of his idea :) > > My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video on > each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into > the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. > > > > > Ken > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 13:17:04 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18LGg92025272; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:16:43 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18LGeRn025250; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:16:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:16:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:16:39 +1300 (NZDT) From: taliesin@paradise.net.nz Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power In-reply-to: <45CB917C.6050005@shaw.ca> X-Originating-IP: 202.68.89.242 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <1170969399.45cb9337d260e@www.paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit References: <45CB917C.6050005@shaw.ca> User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25571 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 239 One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list out of hibernation. Darryl Quoting nitroburn : > This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for > this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. > > Jeff Nelson wrote: > > I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was > > activated or deactivated. > > > > Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above > the > > table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. > > > > > > > > **Jeff Nelson** > > > > **(763) 390-4982** > > > > **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM > > *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, > > esaruoho@gmail.com writes: > > > > I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically > > conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control > > to close > > a relay. > > > > I liked the simplicity of his idea :) > > > > My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video > on > > each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into > > > the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. > > > > > > > > > > Ken > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 13:21:28 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18LL7Qb008898; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:21:07 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18LL5cu008886; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:21:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:21:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.54.80] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: <45CB917C.6050005@shaw.ca> <1170969399.45cb9337d260e@www.paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:21:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2007 21:21:04.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A67FA30:01C74BC7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25572 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 240 Quite true. I have completly forgotten that it exists. Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list out > of > hibernation. > > Darryl > > Quoting nitroburn : > >> This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for >> this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. >> >> Jeff Nelson wrote: >> > I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was >> > activated or deactivated. >> > >> > Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above >> the >> > table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. >> > >> > >> > >> > **Jeff Nelson** >> > >> > **(763) 390-4982** >> > >> > **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > >> > *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] >> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM >> > *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> > *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power >> > >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, >> > esaruoho@gmail.com writes: >> > >> > I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically >> > conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control >> > to close >> > a relay. >> > >> > I liked the simplicity of his idea :) >> > >> > My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video >> on >> > each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into >> >> > the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Ken >> > >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 13:59:45 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18LxVMH029844; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:31 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18LxTMs029834; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <200702082159.l18LxRYv029816@ultra6.eskimo.com> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+1470RH1a1TwMvC7351Rdiq0DP3BQnPSRdTXJ8GV avMw== From: "RB" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: candle power Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:59:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcdLx11YpwafYoWxQ/a3zAZi6Mhj5QABB4NQ X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25573 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 241 OK let's give give a concusion to this issue. So even I havent't try this but according to you all you belive this one was a 100% HOAX? In any way I'm open to new possibilities and even if some of them look totaly crazy. Examining some "crazy" and impossible things in our science history lead us to the status odf technology we are facing today. So, personaly I don't mind if this was nothing else but a hoax / fraud. Ok we spent some more time in investigating a new idea and now we know it's a fraud,.. ( do we?) But hey,..anyway investigating is our interest ,..and for many of us at this mailing list investigating science is our job. R. -----Original Message----- From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:21 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power Quite true. I have completly forgotten that it exists. Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list out > of > hibernation. > > Darryl > > Quoting nitroburn : > >> This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for >> this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. >> >> Jeff Nelson wrote: >> > I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was >> > activated or deactivated. >> > >> > Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above >> the >> > table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. >> > >> > >> > >> > **Jeff Nelson** >> > >> > **(763) 390-4982** >> > >> > **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > >> > *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] >> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM >> > *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> > *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power >> > >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, >> > esaruoho@gmail.com writes: >> > >> > I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically >> > conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control >> > to close >> > a relay. >> > >> > I liked the simplicity of his idea :) >> > >> > My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video >> on >> > each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into >> >> > the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Ken >> > >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 14:07:01 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18M6gCQ003904; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:06:43 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18M6eKx003883; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:06:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:06:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FtX4qOscR4fytyIqrJG89H2/oCuiwvaNs/av4vpy1KgRgjinpCg8F48nqywpAff7f6TGB0wBACFPaju5fYJoaaSJr0PFmqpx/Rw+dB5lHp4vlbg4KrbrCVk1Fx9LTKXk6lE2/dHlekjqtmcRysX4+4jinDQPFztayincNbqOVAY= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:06:37 -0700 From: "leaking pen" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power In-Reply-To: <200702082159.l18LxRYv029816@ultra6.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200702082159.l18LxRYv029816@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3FMabD.A.h8.w75yFB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25574 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 242 seriously, im not discountint till i try it. On 2/8/07, RB wrote: > OK let's give give a concusion to this issue. > So even I havent't try this but according to you all you belive this one was > a 100% HOAX? > > In any way I'm open to new possibilities and even if some of them look > totaly crazy. Examining some "crazy" and impossible things in our science > history lead us to the status odf technology we are facing today. So, > personaly I don't mind if this was nothing else but a hoax / fraud. > > Ok we spent some more time in investigating a new idea and now we know it's > a fraud,.. ( do we?) > But hey,..anyway investigating is our interest ,..and for many of us at this > mailing list investigating science is our job. > > R. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:21 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > Quite true. I have completly forgotten that it exists. > > > > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > > > One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list out > > of > > hibernation. > > > > Darryl > > > > Quoting nitroburn : > > > >> This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for > >> this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. > >> > >> Jeff Nelson wrote: > >> > I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was > >> > activated or deactivated. > >> > > >> > Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above > >> the > >> > table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > **Jeff Nelson** > >> > > >> > **(763) 390-4982** > >> > > >> > **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > > >> > *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] > >> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM > >> > *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> > *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, > >> > esaruoho@gmail.com writes: > >> > > >> > I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically > >> > conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control > >> > to close > >> > a relay. > >> > > >> > I liked the simplicity of his idea :) > >> > > >> > My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video > >> on > >> > each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into > >> > >> > the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Ken > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- That which yields isn't always weak. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 14:07:21 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18M7052021375; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:07:01 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18M6vfd021336; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:06:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:06:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <200702082206.l18M6smW021308@ultra5.eskimo.com> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/EBosJdRnEKrnC7TUSENCX0jmGIUJV4cifVSQcE7 jS0A== From: "RB" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: candle power Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 23:06:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcdLx11YpwafYoWxQ/a3zAZi6Mhj5QABevAw X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <6UQrGB.A.TNF.A85yFB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25575 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 243 And one more thing,... It is indicating at http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ That there are many comments which are issing ( removed ba the author ) This is saying us something,... -----Original Message----- From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:21 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power Quite true. I have completly forgotten that it exists. Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list out > of > hibernation. > > Darryl > > Quoting nitroburn : > >> This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for >> this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. >> >> Jeff Nelson wrote: >> > I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was >> > activated or deactivated. >> > >> > Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above >> the >> > table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. >> > >> > >> > >> > **Jeff Nelson** >> > >> > **(763) 390-4982** >> > >> > **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > >> > *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] >> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM >> > *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> > *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power >> > >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, >> > esaruoho@gmail.com writes: >> > >> > I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically >> > conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control >> > to close >> > a relay. >> > >> > I liked the simplicity of his idea :) >> > >> > My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video >> on >> > each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into >> >> > the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Ken >> > >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 14:41:05 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18MeqXr024999; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:40:53 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18MemWN024917; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:40:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:40:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:40:11 -0800 From: nitroburn Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power In-reply-to: <200702082206.l18M6smW021308@ultra5.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <45CBA6CB.4080200@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200702082206.l18M6smW021308@ultra5.eskimo.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25576 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 244 Yes, that is one of the big red flags that you should have noticed. And also http://www.metacafe.com/user/4075517/mysterious1/ The users profile is filled with MAGIC TRICKS. But this hoax, and all the times we've reviewed the video, has earned him $999 so far and hes 250 views shy of $1000. RB wrote: > And one more thing,... > It is indicating at > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ > That there are many comments which are issing ( removed ba the author ) > This is saying us something,... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:21 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > Quite true. I have completly forgotten that it exists. > > > > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > >> One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list out >> of >> hibernation. >> >> Darryl >> >> Quoting nitroburn : >> >>> This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for >>> this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. >>> >>> Jeff Nelson wrote: >>>> I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was >>>> activated or deactivated. >>>> >>>> Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above >>> the >>>> table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **Jeff Nelson** >>>> >>>> **(763) 390-4982** >>>> >>>> **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>> *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM >>>> *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, >>>> esaruoho@gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically >>>> conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control >>>> to close >>>> a relay. >>>> >>>> I liked the simplicity of his idea :) >>>> >>>> My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video >>> on >>>> each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into >>>> the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ken >>>> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 15:28:50 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l18NScvp028457; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:28:38 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l18NSaWC028445; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:28:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:28:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <45CB6C3C.2010806@rimstar.org> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:30:20 +0000 From: Steven Dufresne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Photon; U; QNX x86pc; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20030109 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power References: <200702082206.l18M6smW021308@ultra5.eskimo.com> <45CBA6CB.4080200@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8ejIb.A.Y8G.kI7yFB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25577 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 245 Yeah, the way he moved his arm and hands reminded me of the way they do in all those google video card tricks. -Steve http://rimstar.org nitroburn wrote: > Yes, that is one of the big red flags that you should have noticed. > > And also http://www.metacafe.com/user/4075517/mysterious1/ > > The users profile is filled with MAGIC TRICKS. > > But this hoax, and all the times we've reviewed the video, has earned > him $999 so far and hes 250 views shy of $1000. > > RB wrote: > >> And one more thing,... >> It is indicating at >> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ >> That there are many comments which are issing ( removed ba the author ) >> This is saying us something,... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, >> February 08, 2007 10:21 PM >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power >> >> Quite true. I have completly forgotten that it exists. >> >> >> >> Alexander >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power >> >> >>> One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list >>> out of >>> hibernation. >>> >>> Darryl >>> >>> Quoting nitroburn : >>> >>>> This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for >>>> this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. >>>> >>>> Jeff Nelson wrote: >>>> >>>>> I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was >>>>> activated or deactivated. >>>>> >>>>> Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>> table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **Jeff Nelson** >>>>> >>>>> **(763) 390-4982** >>>>> >>>>> **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>>> *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM >>>>> *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, >>>>> esaruoho@gmail.com writes: >>>>> >>>>> I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically >>>>> conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control >>>>> to close >>>>> a relay. >>>>> >>>>> I liked the simplicity of his idea :) >>>>> >>>>> My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>>> each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into >>>>> the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 18:32:29 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l192WHOj031855; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:32:17 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l192WFXo031840; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:32:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:32:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MiVYsijHe87eWTlwUHFqG/iF9DxZJW5O0ZDeG9Tx0kFlfIj8HGZoIlsBRE8au2pfAjYs0yQIalso7RPnEummJK/YQrvjCf9D/1NszBudve/qWT112URS22hVo59F09FovT2FLrioKRL00tRhNmk7yqPu1RII7qAfQES3ULSukKE= ; X-YMail-OSG: PHPoqncVM1meqQySdnmnp3.8i18X4cDirZDFoJHkkrpqUzyeevnt5citBVI0UAbK0XjT5g2jbB18F00dLiHsrg3CWsCSQUkipJwE8tR5nAaGTCu8K0iKzLXpFnMrk6wmUf1mKto2K88CKP4- Message-ID: <45CBDD2E.4010409@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:32:14 -0600 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25578 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 246 Hmmmm Ah so these are non RoHs compliant candles. :-) Anybody see a little green sticker? te-he Hatch, David Tucson wrote: > > >> From: Esa Ruoho [mailto:esaruoho@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:45 AM >> >> Must admit, I was surprised there was conductivity from the wick down >> > to > >> the base! >> > > Many candles have a lead wire running through the wick. It helps to > hold the wick straight when pouring the wax. Most candles of Chinese > manufactire have them. > > David > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 18:52:49 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l192qZVI004301; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:52:35 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l192qVPn004280; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:52:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:52:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vofWGP0gSE27tCSQ8kZ1lKn5Ih/SoFItPU3p6W/MHRnd7TkWzpu43TZDejkaxGLSZR+DtHij7sst6mxtXn+a2icDVsaZko/7qLnsnfa/CU/Z5D5FvV5VgKsdufRZxnqqQHUkMgQxrWz3Wcwiz91BcohcjbW6VJd4nkJc7/RPJOM= ; X-YMail-OSG: xTdaLFwVM1l2cGe.OUjrOPjreRk6CS1IEaA7.Rs3zTVQx9CGPuZFOudpgKwf206Q61N25bI.NDHi8MvMNB0jQNPbxFkLwlzEAvD2D0mUvQWCcgytPzQQvBZ_dz0c2sOT97TFJO1392KN82c- Message-ID: <45CBE1EE.3090204@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:52:30 -0600 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power References: <45CB917C.6050005@shaw.ca> <1170969399.45cb9337d260e@www.paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <1170969399.45cb9337d260e@www.paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25579 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 247 Ok so.... Lets demystify this. If you take a chunk of AWG-30 wire and hold it a couple of feet form the camera, it will probably vanish. If you use for example coper wire, and stretch it across for example a tan table it will definitely vanish. A candle with a stiffened wick (metal alloy core) will also have an end tab on the wick. Turn over a votive candle and notice the little metal plate on the bottom. So if you shove a nail through the candle (into the wick) you will most surely find the metal core. Set the candles on the wires and place a battery and switch under the table and you are ready to mystify your friends. Finally there is the magnet. This is SOP for any slight of hand gag. It is a ruse to distract and confuse you, so you don't notice when he reaches into his lap to hit the switch. That was fun. Can we do it again? taliesin@paradise.net.nz wrote: > One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list out of > hibernation. > > Darryl > > Quoting nitroburn : > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 22:43:58 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l196hRdo014190; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:43:29 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l196hBu4014135; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:43:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:43:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:42:59 +1300 From: Darryl Ward Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <00ab01c74c15$89c60a30$0302a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200702082206.l18M6smW021308@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25581 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 248 The large number of deleted comments got me wondering too.... Darryl __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk ----- Original Message ----- From: "RB" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: RE: [FG]: candle power > And one more thing,... > It is indicating at > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ > That there are many comments which are issing ( removed ba the author ) > This is saying us something,... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:21 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > Quite true. I have completly forgotten that it exists. > > > > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > > > One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list out > > of > > hibernation. > > > > Darryl > > > > Quoting nitroburn : > > > >> This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for > >> this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. > >> > >> Jeff Nelson wrote: > >> > I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was > >> > activated or deactivated. > >> > > >> > Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above > >> the > >> > table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot switch. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > **Jeff Nelson** > >> > > >> > **(763) 390-4982** > >> > > >> > **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > > >> > *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] > >> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM > >> > *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> > *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, > >> > esaruoho@gmail.com writes: > >> > > >> > I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically > >> > conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control > >> > to close > >> > a relay. > >> > > >> > I liked the simplicity of his idea :) > >> > > >> > My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video > >> on > >> > each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes into > >> > >> > the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Ken > >> > > >> > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release Date: 08/02/2007 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 10:00:13 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l19I01M4030747; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:00:04 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l19HqrwP027766; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:52:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:52:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:52:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <45CB6C3C.2010806@rimstar.org> References: <200702082206.l18m6smw021308@ultra5.eskimo.com> <45cba6cb.4080200@shaw.ca> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-IWM-ACU: KHYcJ46lNUE9E63xlx4rPeh1xOkXItpKXwujBVbqzpd1Nh0Db9yAazuC-t24 MjJTF4l6t0SDls4kIhCAf52aXdAxF5y8zpTytaSDxZ845wjRZyxutLEusWMm h2GLwCO1P6ktq0ZYEO-XC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra6.eskimo.com id l19Hqqr0027740 Resent-Message-ID: <6VWPR.A.txG.1TLzFB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25584 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 249 I may be as gullible as most, or more than some, but common sence tells me we SHOULD be able to get electricity from a candle flame. I don't see how the magnetised nails stuck into the side could do it, since magnetism is usually applied with a skirt around the flame, to divert one charge to the skirt, leaving the other charge on a central conductor. With a candle, the wick itself can comprise the central conductor. This can be seen with a variation of the old safety pin in a MW oven trick. Using a tea warmer candle - the kind with an aluminum cup - push the safety pin's coil down onto the edge of the cup, then bend the point so that it touches the flame. When the MW is turned on, the pin will arc to the flame with a high frequency effect which turns the flame pure white, also producing a buzzing sound. But this will only work if the candle has a thumbtack-like wick anchor at the bottom, ensuring a good electrical contact between the wick and the cup. This pure white flame is reminesent of the "flame on a wire" generator (pat. #3022430, google.com/patents), in which the flame stretches out to about 1 1/2 times its normal length and turns white, when a High Voltage signal is applied to the wire. Charge coupling rings are then used to place voltages on various plates of a capacitor stack. (When this is used in conjunction with a Capacity Changer technique [pat. #4095162] at the end of a pulse forming transmission line [pat #4918325], as much as 40 million volts can be obtained.) So this brings up the idea about modifying the candle for use as a Milliken oil drop generator type of system. If a first ring closely spaced around the flame, near the end, is connected to a thumbtack pushed into the wick at the base of the candle, would this place a charge on the water molecules given off by the flame? If so, this charge could be coupled to a capacitor with additional rings spaced above the candle. Or should the first ring be grounded, with the output from the cap connected to the wick? > -----Original Message----- > From: stevend@rimstar.org > Sent: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:30:20 +0000 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power > > Yeah, the way he moved his arm and hands reminded me of > the way they do in all those google video card tricks. > -Steve > http://rimstar.org > > nitroburn wrote: >> Yes, that is one of the big red flags that you should have noticed. >> >> And also http://www.metacafe.com/user/4075517/mysterious1/ >> >> The users profile is filled with MAGIC TRICKS. >> >> But this hoax, and all the times we've reviewed the video, has earned >> him $999 so far and hes 250 views shy of $1000. >> >> RB wrote: >> >>> And one more thing,... >>> It is indicating at >>> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/ >>> That there are many comments which are issing ( removed ba the author ) >>> This is saying us something,... >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alexander C. Gal [mailto:exan_@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, >>> February 08, 2007 10:21 PM >>> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>> Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power >>> >>> Quite true. I have completly forgotten that it exists. >>> >>> >>> >>> Alexander >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power >>> >>> >>>> One good thing has come out of this though, it has brought this list >>>> out of >>>> hibernation. >>>> >>>> Darryl >>>> >>>> Quoting nitroburn : >>>> >>>>> This is so funny. I can't believe how gullible some are to fall for >>>>> this. Good thing this isn't a science mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff Nelson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I noticed his hands sent to the exact location when the system was >>>>>> activated or deactivated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Notice how he tucks them under the table, if he kept his hands above >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> table as he blown out the candles, he could still have a foot >>>>>> switch. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **Jeff Nelson** >>>>>> >>>>>> **(763) 390-4982** >>>>>> >>>>>> **Email: ****jpnel@charter.net** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Keasy@aol.com [mailto:Keasy@aol.com] >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:13 AM >>>>>> *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FG]: candle power >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:45:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, >>>>>> esaruoho@gmail.com writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think he put baterries in the candles, made the table electrically >>>>>> conductive in order to have a circuit and he used a remote control >>>>>> to close >>>>>> a relay. >>>>>> >>>>>> I liked the simplicity of his idea :) >>>>>> >>>>>> My guess is that when the test leads partially flop out of the video >>>>> >>>>> on >>>>> >>>>>> each side, he connects an unseen external battery with pin probes >>>>>> into >>>>>> the leads on each side. That is how I would do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken ____________________________________________________________ KEEP SPYWARE OFF YOUR COMPUTER - Protect your computer with Spyware Terminator! Visit http://www.spywareterminator.com/install and find out more! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 08:18:43 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l1AGIUvr020416; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:18:30 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l1AGIRsT020391; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:18:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:18:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:18:20 EST Subject: Re: [FG]: candle power To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1171124300" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5036 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25585 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 250 -------------------------------1171124300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/2007 11:00:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, jerryvolland@inbox.com writes: I may be as gullible as most, or more than some, but common sence tells me we SHOULD be able to get electricity from a candle flame. I don't see how the magnetised nails stuck into the side could do it, since magnetism is usually applied with a skirt around the flame, to divert one charge to the skirt, leaving the other charge on a central conductor. With a candle, the wick itself can comprise the central conductor. This can be seen with a variation of the old safety pin in a MW oven trick. Using a tea warmer candle - the kind with an aluminum cup - push the safety pin's coil down onto the edge of the cup, then bend the point so that it touches the flame. When the MW is turned on, the pin will arc to the flame with a high frequency effect which turns the flame pure white, also producing a buzzing sound. But this will only work if the candle has a thumbtack-like wick anchor at the bottom, ensuring a good electrical contact between the wick and the cup. This pure white flame is reminesent of the "flame on a wire" generator (pat. #3022430, google.com/patents), in which the flame stretches out to about 1 1/2 times its normal length and turns white, when a High Voltage signal is applied to the wire. Charge coupling rings are then used to place voltages on various plates of a capacitor stack. (When this is used in conjunction with a Capacity Changer technique [pat. #4095162] at the end of a pulse forming transmission line [pat #4918325], as much as 40 million volts can be obtained.) So this brings up the idea about modifying the candle for use as a Milliken oil drop generator type of system. If a first ring closely spaced around the flame, near the end, is connected to a thumbtack pushed into the wick at the base of the candle, would this place a charge on the water molecules given off by the flame? If so, this charge could be coupled to a capacitor with additional rings spaced above the candle. Or should the first ring! A key point of this video was that, in order to complete the circuit, current apparently passed through the air from one candle to the other. But air is an excellent insulator except for currents in the pico- nano- amp range. The bulb and motor demonstrated require currents of at least several milliamps and higher. Therefore, something other than air completed the circuit, either a hidden wire between candles, or connections to the leads from outside the view of the video. And that is assuming the candles "somehow" provide an electrical battery-like power source. Ken -------------------------------1171124300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/9/2007 11:00:42 AM Mountain Standard Time,=20 jerryvolland@inbox.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I may be=20 as gullible as most, or more than some, but common sence tells me we SHOUL= D be=20 able to get electricity from a candle flame.  I don't see how the=20 magnetised nails stuck into the side could do it, since magnetism is usual= ly=20 applied with a skirt around the flame, to divert one charge to the skirt,=20 leaving the other charge on a central conductor.  With a candle, the=20= wick=20 itself can comprise the central conductor.  This can be seen with a=20 variation of the old safety pin in a MW oven trick.  Using a tea warm= er=20 candle - the kind with an aluminum cup - push the safety pin's coil down o= nto=20 the edge of the cup, then bend the point so that it touches the flame.&nbs= p;=20 When the MW is turned on, the pin will arc to the flame with a high freque= ncy=20 effect which turns the flame pure white, also producing a buzzing sound.&n= bsp;=20 But this will only work if the candle has a thumbtack-like wick anchor at=20= the=20 bottom, ensuring a good electrical contact between the wick and the=20 cup.

This pure white flame is reminesent of the "flame on a wire"=20 generator (pat. #3022430, google.com/patents), in which the flame stretche= s=20 out to about 1 1/2 times its normal length and turns white, when a High=20 Voltage signal is applied to the wire.  Charge coupling rings are the= n=20 used to place voltages on various plates of a capacitor stack.  (When= =20 this is used in conjunction with a Capacity Changer technique [pat. #40951= 62]=20 at the end of a pulse forming transmission line [pat #4918325], as much as= 40=20 million volts can be obtained.)  So this brings up the idea about=20 modifying the candle for use as a Milliken oil drop generator type of=20 system.  If a first ring closely spaced around the flame, near the en= d,=20 is connected to a thumbtack  pushed into the wick at the base of the=20 candle,  would this place a charge on the water molecules given off b= y=20 the flame?  If so, this charge could be coupled to a capacitor with=20 additional rings spaced above the candle.  Or should the first=20 ring!
A key point of this video was that, in order to complete the circu= it,=20 current apparently passed through the air from one candle to the other. = ;=20 But air is an excellent insulator except for currents in the pico- nano- amp= =20 range.  The bulb and motor demonstrated require currents of at least=20 several milliamps and higher.
 
Therefore, something other than air completed the circuit, either a hid= den=20 wire between candles, or connections to the leads from outside the view of t= he=20 video.  And that is assuming the candles "somehow" provide an electrica= l=20 battery-like power source.
 
Ken
 
 
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Good analysis, Ken.  I thought about the distance between the = nails, but forgot about the spacing between the flames.


-----Original Message-----
From: = keasy=40aol.com
Sent: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:18:20 = EST
To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: = candle power

In a message dated 2/9/2007 11:00:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, = jerryvolland=40inbox.com writes:
I may be as gullible as most, = or more than some, but common sence tells me we SHOULD be able to get = electricity from a candle flame.  I don't see how the magnetised = nails stuck into the side could do it, since magnetism is usually applied = with a skirt around the flame, to divert one charge to the skirt, leaving = the other charge on a central conductor.  With a candle, the wick = itself can comprise the central conductor.  This can be seen with a = variation of the old safety pin in a MW oven trick.  Using a tea = warmer candle - the kind with an aluminum cup - push the safety pin's coil = down onto the edge of the cup, then bend the point so that it touches the = flame.  When the MW is turned on, the pin will arc to the flame with = a high frequency effect which turns the flame pure white, also producing a = buzzing sound.  But this will only work if the candle has a = thumbtack-like wick anchor at the bottom, ensuring a good electrical = contact between the wick and the cup.

This pure white flame is = reminesent of the =22flame on a wire=22 generator (pat. =233022430, = google.com/patents), in which the flame stretches out to about 1 1/2 times = its normal length and turns white, when a High Voltage signal is applied = to the wire.  Charge coupling rings are then used to place voltages = on various plates of a capacitor stack.  (When this is used in = conjunction with a Capacity Changer technique =5Bpat. =234095162=5D at the = end of a pulse forming transmission line =5Bpat =234918325=5D, as much as = 40 million volts can be obtained.)  So this brings up the idea about = modifying the candle for use as a Milliken oil drop generator type of = system.  If a first ring closely spaced around the flame, near the = end, is connected to a thumbtack  pushed into the wick at the base of = the candle,  would this place a charge on the water molecules given = off by the flame?  If so, this charge could be coupled to a capacitor = with additional rings spaced above the candle.  Or should the first = ring=21
A key point of this video was that, in order to complete the = circuit, current apparently passed through the air from one candle to the = other.  But air is an excellent insulator except for currents in the = pico- nano- amp range.  The bulb and motor demonstrated require = currents of at least several milliamps and higher.
 
Therefore, something other than air completed the circuit, either a = hidden wire between candles, or connections to the leads from outside the = view of the video.  And that is assuming the candles =22somehow=22 = provide an electrical battery-like power source.
 
Ken
 
 
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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 10:30:39 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l1BIUVr7021669; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:30:32 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l1BIUTFV021656; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:30:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:30:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SbuFxWVvZPuWDiV5iPU8FeB6aj42Ls4cEvnI+d9i+YNK/UwlSsgLgfvrGx+Cun9G0lG5NR3oCwvK3nXVaJmQxYa2xvms5Ffp0qGGChzZuYZHdDx5UDTj5W5pTiV4DQzN7gzDbaAf46mvuPgmNxiHW7bSX3/L/kvtIq4lUFXVeR0= ; X-YMail-OSG: rR_uVH8VM1kAK0woeQXuIv6XR08U57KyomCjqltTcQabrXaxlxW4ou07GmAhNvlgB015TCQi_k0WENed_96OUvKlWTdItRhvMzVPuEUnon6vpUjaGuE_yz9z6F7mdFt_uAoZuPT6DCXm8A-- Message-ID: <45CF60C5.3060806@swbell.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:30:29 -0600 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: References: <009a01c74df6$1ca027a0$0201a8c0@privatenhomwwn> In-Reply-To: <009a01c74df6$1ca027a0$0201a8c0@privatenhomwwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25589 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 252 Seems to be some trouble here... So I am going to try this and I will let yall know. Email and put the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. Jacques Mongie wrote: > unsubscribe > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 10:38:16 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l1BIc5pr028689; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:38:05 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l1BIc3FP028673; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:38:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:38:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <45CF6285.8050209@charter.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:37:57 -0600 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: References: <009a01c74df6$1ca027a0$0201a8c0@privatenhomwwn> <45CF60C5.3060806@swbell.net> In-Reply-To: <45CF60C5.3060806@swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25590 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 253 Got it: This method works. Charles Ford wrote: > Seems to be some trouble here... > > So I am going to try this and I will let yall know. > Email and put the word "unsubscribe" in > the subject line. > > Jacques Mongie wrote: >> unsubscribe >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 16:49:52 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l1C0njjj025302; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:49:45 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.12.10/Submit) id l1C0nhUp025289; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:49:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:49:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GqYgiJ7xD4p3tgLGYGcPgplpgT7op+bNNo9LNyUGnR/ULw0FuBHr+xFfuH9oALkgMl1ki44fQwPuQSeO/Wb8ox/XgMREStzDJcEJGl+GZsBrdX9kcpcMUIBx18wdqEIB9BR6RpQm0W0yjAQfRbuo2S57YCq9rISz3Tf7Ru//YGI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:49:42 -0800 From: "Donald Boitano" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: In-Reply-To: <009a01c74df6$1ca027a0$0201a8c0@privatenhomwwn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30723_8197448.1171241382560" References: <009a01c74df6$1ca027a0$0201a8c0@privatenhomwwn> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25591 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 254 ------=_Part_30723_8197448.1171241382560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe On 2/11/07, Jacques Mongie wrote: > > unsubscribe > > ------=_Part_30723_8197448.1171241382560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe

On 2/11/07, Jacques Mongie <jmongie@eccsystems.co.za> wrote:
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------=_Part_30723_8197448.1171241382560-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 24 09:50:10 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OGo1mU023940; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:50:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2OGli3w023245; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:47:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:47:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:48:00 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: 2Z1vYoNqrw9SAK9SR6OICyQ_c9CUdyImjsVVIzKfN5AiuwFaYzZEK9TEO7UK -cwJJhVVxvj71VXC_KPctjRxp1XGDPF_zVsv1_Du0UdBdukh_xY90H_6Qtmm 3NYSG4f77wxjPL1f7l56n2A@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25593 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 255 I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected the = same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two capacitors, = including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to opposite = sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the defibrillator = inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a = spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two of = the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is the = wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the = inductor and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap = against the diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a = few seconds, with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to = the arc again. The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going = interval. If the top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is = broken and refired, the main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue = turbulence, signifying the presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that = this is the effect I'll obtain once I add a high speed interruptor to the = circuit. My belief is that this dark blue energy is electro-optical in = nature, and, if so, it should be conductive. This will allow Ed's Power = Conversion Tube to act as a switching element, applying the heavy amperage = from his battery to the motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, = when a dowell rod is positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood = experiences a torque impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when = the circuit is fired. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch square = by 3/8=22 thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows = the basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. = When this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc = it produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff spark = is fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there = may be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space = charge effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced = counter rotating discs. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap = terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a certain = percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, puffing = the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the arc = in the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. = So, the arc =22splits the positive=22. With this version of the circuit, = only two discharge electrodes are needed. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides of = the transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit = illustrates the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit = I discovered. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on = the outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he = calls it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has = demonstrated, that the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc = generates two sine waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the = right is my circuit, with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to = resemble his, to highlight the differences. This circuit produces a = Scalar Click, with two positive pulses traveling through the arc in = different directions. Since this is similar to the electrostatic = discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff generator, it's possible that these = two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic the Hutchinson Effect. From a = different perspective, the BRS represents the signal from the HAARP array, = while the puff spark circuit represents the signal from the Woodpecker. When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the = transformer switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a = slow, fizzeling squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end = of the diode. This drawn out spark effect is caused by the current = limiting action of the 100 miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both = caps are the same size (16 mF), this squirting will reverse directions = when the wire is subsequently touched to the diode's other end. The = charge can only be shuttled between the caps three or four times like this = before it fades out. -JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 24 10:50:59 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OHodXI008758; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:50:40 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2OHoc1m008733; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:50:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:50:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.27.31] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2007 17:50:34.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC418B00:01C76E3C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25594 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 256 Hello Jerry, I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are lethal and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by strong EM field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The ionized oxygen atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not forget to get some fresh air into the room. The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic fields with a high field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. It is simply ionized air, called a "plasma". A plasma is quasi-neutral, but due to the fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, it might be electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. Electrons, the "charges", are in fact negatively charged and not positively. Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. Virtual electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the Heisenberg Uncertainty relation dE*dt >= h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy field, which is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this "appearance" and "annihilation" happen too fast for the universe to notice, or there is a negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least partially. Thus if you are really serious about getting real energy from the ZPF, you must either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to use the energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow "kill" the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use energy to do so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy Condition (ANEC) of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept in Quantum Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum energy field really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible that the ZPF is a mistake, and has never existed. And by the way ... these "scalar waves" ... what are they supposed to be ? How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? What is the difference between "scalar waves" and "ordinary" EM waves ? I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about that suff than I do. Cheers, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Volland" To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected the same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two capacitors, including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to opposite sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the defibrillator inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two of the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is the wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the inductor and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap against the diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few seconds, with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to the arc again. The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going interval. If the top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and refired, the main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, signifying the presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect I'll obtain once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief is that this dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it should be conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act as a switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery to the motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood experiences a torque impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit is fired. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch square by 3/8" thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows the basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. When this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc it produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff spark is fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there may be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space charge effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced counter rotating discs. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a certain percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, puffing the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the arc in the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. So, the arc "splits the positive". With this version of the circuit, only two discharge electrodes are needed. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides of the transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit illustrates the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I discovered. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on the outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he calls it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has demonstrated, that the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two sine waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my circuit, with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to highlight the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two positive pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since this is similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff generator, it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic the Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS represents the signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit represents the signal from the Woodpecker. When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the transformer switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, fizzeling squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the diode. This drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action of the 100 miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same size (16 mF), this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is subsequently touched to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled between the caps three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 25 07:26:54 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2PEQod5021218; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:26:51 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2PEQnSB021205; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:26:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:26:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 06:26:39 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: QCFFQwW0F-7aECn4oAHuC_qiSxtGEEo3N1uUNxgKl9yEZy_iuzh0IjIqslwC ixiCfuL8Eky0b4lu9cw1H-l1XrjLzTT_xJPhxtHENiFuVaQWsXdzL42GrGeB I5VN9xZcRN-HLrnK6L5ue6Q@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25595 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 257 Hi, Alexander.=20 Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. This is = something which should be included in any discussion about such experiments. I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention plasma, = but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white effect is = something different and highly unusual. It may be that it resulted from = the interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, there are = various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For instance, one = usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence patterns = Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves appear in some = places inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact that = they cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment = involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, and with = that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned pure white. = This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have this second = effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the accuracy of a = clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often = enclosed in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar = detectors, do a web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the = caduceus coil. Some people are sensitive and can feel or even see some = forms of the exotic energy. This is how understanding can be advanced.=20 I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed he was = extracting ZPE from a spark, by =22cohering the active vacuum=22 to = produce positron coupling. Not much information is available, but he = starts by saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After = my experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do this. Also, = the positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are = consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now designing = a Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) Here's the basic Chernetski article: www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt=20 Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: = http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html =20 Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: = http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html =20 All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal = 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical wavefront and the = electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half wavelength of = distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to the side, = then back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux = corresponds to the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have = flux, since they often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic = fields, or both - stressing the time dimension in the process. At least = some Scalar waves are non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This = is why their magnitude doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. = Scalar means magnitude without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, = having magnitude and direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their = possition), for instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges = have no direction in 3 space.=20 I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field to get = more time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is = widely attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the lower = frequency waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, = such as with the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, = travel slower than light, and the difference in arrival times can be = measured, relative to EM. And really high frequency exotic energy travels = slow enough you can see it advance. Your idea is a good explanation of = why energy can be extracted from the ZPF, even though the quantum = fluxuations happen in such an incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em = coming.=20 Jerry=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: exan_=40hotmail.com > Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: =5BFG=5D: >=20 > Hello Jerry, >=20 > I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are > lethal > and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by strong > EM > field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The ionized > oxygen > atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not > forget > to get some fresh air into the room. >=20 > The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic fields with a > high > field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. It is > simply > ionized air, called a =22plasma=22. A plasma is quasi-neutral, but due = to the > fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, it might > be > electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. >=20 > Electrons, the =22charges=22, are in fact negatively charged and not > positively. > Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. Virtual > electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the Heisenberg Uncertainty > relation dE*dt >=3D h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy field, > which > is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this =22appearance=22 and > =22annihilation=22 happen too fast for the universe to notice, or there = is a > negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least partially. > Thus > if you are really serious about getting real energy from the ZPF, you > must > either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to use the > energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow > =22kill=22 > the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use energy to do > so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy Condition > (ANEC) > of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. >=20 > And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept in Quantum > Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum energy > field > really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible that the > ZPF > is a mistake, and has never existed. >=20 >=20 >=20 > And by the way ... these =22scalar waves=22 ... what are they supposed = to be > ? > How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? > What is the difference between =22scalar waves=22 and =22ordinary=22 EM = waves ? >=20 > I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about that suff > than > I do. >=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Alexander >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: =22Jerry Volland=22 > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM > Subject: =5BFG=5D: Ed Gray Test Circuit >=20 >=20 > I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. >=20 > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg >=20 > By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected > the > same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two > capacitors, > including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to opposite > sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the > defibrillator > inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a > spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two of > the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is the > wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the > inductor > and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap against > the > diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few seconds, > with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to the arc again. > The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going interval. If > the > top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and refired, > the > main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, signifying > the > presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect I'll > obtain > once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief is that > this > dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it should be > conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act as a > switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery to the > motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is > positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood experiences a > torque > impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit is fired. >=20 > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg >=20 > This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch square > by > 3/8=22 thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows = the > basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. When > this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc it > produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff spark > is > fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there > may > be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space charge > effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced counter > rotating discs. >=20 > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg >=20 > The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap > terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a > certain > percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, > puffing > the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the arc > in > the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. So, > the > arc =22splits the positive=22. With this version of the circuit, only two > discharge electrodes are needed. >=20 > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg >=20 > This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides of > the > transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit illustrates > the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I > discovered. >=20 > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg >=20 > This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on > the > outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he > calls > it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has demonstrated, > that > the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two sine > waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my > circuit, > with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to > highlight > the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two positive > pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since this is > similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff > generator, > it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic the > Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS represents the > signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit represents the > signal from the Woodpecker. >=20 >=20 > When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the > transformer > switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, > fizzeling > squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the diode. > This > drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action of the > 100 > miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same size (16 > mF), > this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is subsequently > touched > to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled between the > caps > three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 25 08:30:51 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2PFUV2H016653; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:30:31 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2PFUURg016648; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:30:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:30:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.8.238] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:32:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2007 15:30:30.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[85786770:01C76EF2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25596 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 258 Hello Jerry, well, the visual effect might be the simplest thing to explain. Light emission occurs if atoms were previously brought into a higher energetic state(for example, caused by a strong em field in vicinity). The electrons gain energy, increase their energy niveau, are consequently unstable and fall back to their standard state by releasing energy in form of electromagnetic radiation (photons = light). That is the light effect you observed. Often, when really pretty strong em fields are utilized, the electrons gain so much energy that they leave their atoms and become "free". This effect is called ionization. Heat increases rapidly, radiation levels are close to being hazardous, and bright light emission may be seen. Such a phase of matter is reffered to as a "plasma". You cannot say for sure that the white light you see is really a result of over-unity energy generation(which would be a violation of energy conservation). As a matter of fact, the currents(and voltages, in relation) you are using are high enough to ignite a new hell on Earth. :) Please, never try to touch the white light source because your flesh would be vaporized instantly and your bones would start to glow. The emission of a white light is always a sign for very high temperatures being involved in the process. But of course, you can verify your claims by using a photometer. Sum up the energy you put into the device, and subtract the energy you measure getting away from the device. If it is negative, you have an over-unity effect. Such an examination is usually called a "full thermodynamical analysis". I can imagine how Chernetski's device works. As aforementioned, an electron bound to an atom has different energy states. These energy states are quantized. That means, the energy you need to excite an atom increases by adding constant packages. Furthermore, electrons cannot have zero energy, because otherwise they would fall into the atomic nucleus. This indicates that there is a minimum energy oscillation, called the zero-point energy (or the zero-point state, or ground state). Now assume, you excite a hydrogen atom to a point where its electron is between the 2s1/2 and 2p1/2 energy state. Yet it does not have enough energy to complete the energy state transition. But it suddenly does, due to Heisenberg Uncertainty. E_{2p1/2} - (E_{2s1/2}+dE) = energy you put into the atom. dE = energy gain from a virtual photon flux (vacuum energy). Expectation value of Lamb shifted electron: = -Ze^2/(4*pi*e_0) * <1/(r + dr )>, wheras dr is the change in orbit radius. Voila, you got energy from the "zero point field". The reason why people are using plasmas, is that their average energy can be controlled with a high accuracy and they consist of myriads of single atoms not connected to each other. Especially it is simple to control the position of a plasma by using electromagnetic containment fields created by a set of coils. I must admit that my understanding of quantum field theory and quantum electrodynamics is yet pretty low. Thus I may have done some mistakes. Because if I did not, an effect called the "Lamb Shift" would lead to a violation of energy conservation which is the holy grail of modern physics. Such an obvious thing may not be overseen. I must be wrong, actually. Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift What you could try to do is to create a stable plasma made of hydrogen atoms confined by coils. Then excite it carefully until it suddenly gets more energy than expected (should be a sudden glow up). Have you built a device capeable of creating high frequency scalar waves which one can see ? Ciao, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Volland" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 04:26 PM Subject: RE: [FG]: Hi, Alexander. Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. This is something which should be included in any discussion about such experiments. I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention plasma, but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white effect is something different and highly unusual. It may be that it resulted from the interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, there are various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For instance, one usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence patterns Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves appear in some places inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact that they cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, and with that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned pure white. This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have this second effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the accuracy of a clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often enclosed in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar detectors, do a web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the caduceus coil. Some people are sensitive and can feel or even see some forms of the exotic energy. This is how understanding can be advanced. I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed he was extracting ZPE from a spark, by "cohering the active vacuum" to produce positron coupling. Not much information is available, but he starts by saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do this. Also, the positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now designing a Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) Here's the basic Chernetski article: www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical wavefront and the electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half wavelength of distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to the side, then back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux corresponds to the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have flux, since they often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic fields, or both - stressing the time dimension in the process. At least some Scalar waves are non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This is why their magnitude doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. Scalar means magnitude without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, having magnitude and direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their possition), for instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges have no direction in 3 space. I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field to get more time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is widely attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the lower frequency waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, such as with the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, travel slower than light, and the difference in arrival times can be measured, relative to EM. And really high frequency exotic energy travels slow enough you can see it advance. Your idea is a good explanation of why energy can be extracted from the ZPF, even though the quantum fluxuations happen in such an incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em coming. Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: exan_@hotmail.com > Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: > > Hello Jerry, > > I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are > lethal > and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by strong > EM > field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The ionized > oxygen > atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not > forget > to get some fresh air into the room. > > The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic fields with a > high > field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. It is > simply > ionized air, called a "plasma". A plasma is quasi-neutral, but due to the > fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, it might > be > electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. > > Electrons, the "charges", are in fact negatively charged and not > positively. > Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. Virtual > electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the Heisenberg Uncertainty > relation dE*dt >= h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy field, > which > is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this "appearance" and > "annihilation" happen too fast for the universe to notice, or there is a > negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least partially. > Thus > if you are really serious about getting real energy from the ZPF, you > must > either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to use the > energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow > "kill" > the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use energy to do > so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy Condition > (ANEC) > of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. > > And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept in Quantum > Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum energy > field > really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible that the > ZPF > is a mistake, and has never existed. > > > > And by the way ... these "scalar waves" ... what are they supposed to be > ? > How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? > What is the difference between "scalar waves" and "ordinary" EM waves ? > > I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about that suff > than > I do. > > > Cheers, > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Volland" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM > Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit > > > I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg > > By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected > the > same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two > capacitors, > including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to opposite > sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the > defibrillator > inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a > spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two of > the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is the > wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the > inductor > and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap against > the > diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few seconds, > with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to the arc again. > The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going interval. If > the > top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and refired, > the > main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, signifying > the > presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect I'll > obtain > once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief is that > this > dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it should be > conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act as a > switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery to the > motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is > positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood experiences a > torque > impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit is fired. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg > > This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch square > by > 3/8" thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows the > basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. When > this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc it > produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff spark > is > fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there > may > be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space charge > effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced counter > rotating discs. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg > > The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap > terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a > certain > percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, > puffing > the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the arc > in > the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. So, > the > arc "splits the positive". With this version of the circuit, only two > discharge electrodes are needed. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg > > This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides of > the > transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit illustrates > the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I > discovered. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg > > This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on > the > outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he > calls > it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has demonstrated, > that > the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two sine > waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my > circuit, > with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to > highlight > the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two positive > pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since this is > similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff > generator, > it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic the > Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS represents the > signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit represents the > signal from the Woodpecker. > > > When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the > transformer > switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, > fizzeling > squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the diode. > This > drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action of the > 100 > miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same size (16 > mF), > this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is subsequently > touched > to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled between the > caps > three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 25 12:04:11 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2PJ3qmr017124; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:03:52 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2PJ3oGf017112; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:03:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:03:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:03:59 -0800 From: Robert P Rollen Jr Subject: Re: [FG]: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: rrollen@gci.net Message-id: <000f01c76f10$58892010$0b304a41@robert330a90cd> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25597 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 259 Take me off you list. Robert Rollen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: > Hello Jerry, > > well, the visual effect might be the simplest thing to explain. Light > emission occurs if atoms were previously brought into a higher energetic > state(for example, caused by a strong em field in vicinity). The electrons > gain energy, increase their energy niveau, are consequently unstable and > fall back to their standard state by releasing energy in form of > electromagnetic radiation (photons = light). That is the light effect you > observed. Often, when really pretty strong em fields are utilized, the > electrons gain so much energy that they leave their atoms and become > "free". This effect is called ionization. Heat increases rapidly, > radiation levels are close to being hazardous, and bright light emission > may be seen. Such a phase of matter is reffered to as a "plasma". > > You cannot say for sure that the white light you see is really a result of > over-unity energy generation(which would be a violation of energy > conservation). As a matter of fact, the currents(and voltages, in > relation) you are using are high enough to ignite a new hell on Earth. :) > > Please, never try to touch the white light source because your flesh would > be vaporized instantly and your bones would start to glow. The emission of > a white light is always a sign for very high temperatures being involved > in the process. > > But of course, you can verify your claims by using a photometer. Sum up > the energy you put into the device, and subtract the energy you measure > getting away from the device. If it is negative, you have an over-unity > effect. Such an examination is usually called a "full thermodynamical > analysis". > > I can imagine how Chernetski's device works. As aforementioned, an > electron bound to an atom has different energy states. These energy states > are quantized. That means, the energy you need to excite an atom increases > by adding constant packages. Furthermore, electrons cannot have zero > energy, because otherwise they would fall into the atomic nucleus. This > indicates that there is a minimum energy oscillation, called the > zero-point energy (or the zero-point state, or ground state). Now assume, > you excite a hydrogen atom to a point where its electron is between the > 2s1/2 and 2p1/2 energy state. Yet it does not have enough energy to > complete the energy state transition. But it suddenly does, due to > Heisenberg Uncertainty. > > E_{2p1/2} - (E_{2s1/2}+dE) = energy you put into the atom. > dE = energy gain from a virtual photon flux (vacuum energy). > Expectation value of Lamb shifted electron: = -Ze^2/(4*pi*e_0) * <1/(r > + dr )>, > wheras dr is the change in orbit radius. > > Voila, you got energy from the "zero point field". The reason why people > are using plasmas, is that their average energy can be controlled with a > high accuracy and they consist of myriads of single atoms not connected to > each other. Especially it is simple to control the position of a plasma by > using electromagnetic containment fields created by a set of coils. > > I must admit that my understanding of quantum field theory and quantum > electrodynamics is yet pretty low. Thus I may have done some mistakes. > Because if I did not, an effect called the "Lamb Shift" would lead to a > violation of energy conservation which is the holy grail of modern > physics. Such an obvious thing may not be overseen. I must be wrong, > actually. > > Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift > > What you could try to do is to create a stable plasma made of hydrogen > atoms confined by coils. Then excite it carefully until it suddenly gets > more energy than expected (should be a sudden glow up). > > Have you built a device capeable of creating high frequency scalar waves > which one can see ? > > > Ciao, > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Volland" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 04:26 PM > Subject: RE: [FG]: > > > Hi, Alexander. > Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. This is > something which should be included in any discussion about such > experiments. > > I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention plasma, > but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white effect is > something different and highly unusual. It may be that it resulted from > the interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, there are > various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For instance, one > usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence patterns > Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves appear in some > places inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact that > they cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment > involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, and with > that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned pure white. > This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have this second > effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. > > Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the accuracy of a > clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often > enclosed in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar > detectors, do a web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the > caduceus coil. Some people are sensitive and can feel or even see some > forms of the exotic energy. This is how understanding can be advanced. > > I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed he was > extracting ZPE from a spark, by "cohering the active vacuum" to produce > positron coupling. Not much information is available, but he starts by > saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my > experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do this. Also, > the positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are > consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now designing > a Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) > > Here's the basic Chernetski article: www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt > > Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: > http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html > > Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html > > All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal > 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical wavefront and the > electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half wavelength of > distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to the side, > then back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux > corresponds to the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have > flux, since they often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic > fields, or both - stressing the time dimension in the process. At least > some Scalar waves are non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This > is why their magnitude doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. > Scalar means magnitude without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, > having magnitude and direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their > possition), for instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges > have no direction in 3 space. > > I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field to get > more time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is > widely attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the lower > frequency waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, > such as with the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, > travel slower than light, and the difference in arrival times can be > measured, relative to EM. And really high frequency exotic energy travels > slow enough you can see it advance. Your idea is a good explanation of > why energy can be extracted from the ZPF, even though the quantum > fluxuations happen in such an incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em > coming. > > Jerry > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: exan_@hotmail.com >> Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: [FG]: >> >> Hello Jerry, >> >> I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are >> lethal >> and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by strong >> EM >> field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The ionized >> oxygen >> atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not >> forget >> to get some fresh air into the room. >> >> The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic fields with a >> high >> field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. It is >> simply >> ionized air, called a "plasma". A plasma is quasi-neutral, but due to the >> fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, it might >> be >> electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. >> >> Electrons, the "charges", are in fact negatively charged and not >> positively. >> Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. Virtual >> electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the Heisenberg Uncertainty >> relation dE*dt >= h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy field, >> which >> is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this "appearance" and >> "annihilation" happen too fast for the universe to notice, or there is a >> negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least partially. >> Thus >> if you are really serious about getting real energy from the ZPF, you >> must >> either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to use the >> energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow >> "kill" >> the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use energy to do >> so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy Condition >> (ANEC) >> of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. >> >> And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept in Quantum >> Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum energy >> field >> really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible that the >> ZPF >> is a mistake, and has never existed. >> >> >> >> And by the way ... these "scalar waves" ... what are they supposed to be >> ? >> How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? >> What is the difference between "scalar waves" and "ordinary" EM waves ? >> >> I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about that suff >> than >> I do. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Alexander >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Volland" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM >> Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit >> >> >> I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg >> >> By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected >> the >> same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two >> capacitors, >> including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to opposite >> sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the >> defibrillator >> inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a >> spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two of >> the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is the >> wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the >> inductor >> and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap against >> the >> diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few seconds, >> with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to the arc again. >> The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going interval. If >> the >> top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and refired, >> the >> main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, signifying >> the >> presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect I'll >> obtain >> once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief is that >> this >> dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it should be >> conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act as a >> switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery to the >> motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is >> positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood experiences a >> torque >> impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit is fired. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg >> >> This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch square >> by >> 3/8" thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows the >> basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. When >> this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc it >> produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff spark >> is >> fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there >> may >> be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space charge >> effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced counter >> rotating discs. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg >> >> The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap >> terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a >> certain >> percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, >> puffing >> the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the arc >> in >> the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. So, >> the >> arc "splits the positive". With this version of the circuit, only two >> discharge electrodes are needed. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg >> >> This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides of >> the >> transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit illustrates >> the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I >> discovered. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg >> >> This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on >> the >> outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he >> calls >> it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has demonstrated, >> that >> the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two sine >> waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my >> circuit, >> with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to >> highlight >> the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two positive >> pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since this is >> similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff >> generator, >> it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic the >> Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS represents the >> signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit represents the >> signal from the Woodpecker. >> >> >> When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the >> transformer >> switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, >> fizzeling >> squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the diode. >> This >> drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action of the >> 100 >> miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same size (16 >> mF), >> this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is subsequently >> touched >> to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled between the >> caps >> three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV > > > > __________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 25 12:05:43 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2PJ5NQ5018494; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:05:23 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2PJ5LSV018468; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:05:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:05:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:05:31 -0800 From: Robert P Rollen Jr Subject: Re: [FG]: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: rrollen@gci.net Message-id: <001501c76f10$8f1dc040$0b304a41@robert330a90cd> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25598 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 260 Take me off your list. Robert Rollen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Volland" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:26 AM Subject: RE: [FG]: Hi, Alexander. Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. This is something which should be included in any discussion about such experiments. I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention plasma, but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white effect is something different and highly unusual. It may be that it resulted from the interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, there are various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For instance, one usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence patterns Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves appear in some places inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact that they cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, and with that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned pure white. This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have this second effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the accuracy of a clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often enclosed in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar detectors, do a web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the caduceus coil. Some people are sensitive and can feel or even see some forms of the exotic energy. This is how understanding can be advanced. I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed he was extracting ZPE from a spark, by "cohering the active vacuum" to produce positron coupling. Not much information is available, but he starts by saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do this. Also, the positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now designing a Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) Here's the basic Chernetski article: www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical wavefront and the electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half wavelength of distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to the side, then back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux corresponds to the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have flux, since they often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic fields, or both - stressing the time dimension in the process. At least some Scalar waves are non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This is why their magnitude doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. Scalar means magnitude without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, having magnitude and direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their possition), for instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges have no direction in 3 space. I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field to get more time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is widely attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the lower frequency waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, such as with the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, travel slower than light, and the difference in arrival times can be measured, relative to EM. And really high frequency exotic energy travels slow enough you can see it advance. Your idea is a good explanation of why energy can be extracted from the ZPF, even though the quantum fluxuations happen in such an incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em coming. Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: exan_@hotmail.com > Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: > > Hello Jerry, > > I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are > lethal > and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by strong > EM > field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The ionized > oxygen > atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not > forget > to get some fresh air into the room. > > The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic fields with a > high > field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. It is > simply > ionized air, called a "plasma". A plasma is quasi-neutral, but due to the > fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, it might > be > electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. > > Electrons, the "charges", are in fact negatively charged and not > positively. > Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. Virtual > electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the Heisenberg Uncertainty > relation dE*dt >= h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy field, > which > is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this "appearance" and > "annihilation" happen too fast for the universe to notice, or there is a > negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least partially. > Thus > if you are really serious about getting real energy from the ZPF, you > must > either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to use the > energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow > "kill" > the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use energy to do > so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy Condition > (ANEC) > of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. > > And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept in Quantum > Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum energy > field > really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible that the > ZPF > is a mistake, and has never existed. > > > > And by the way ... these "scalar waves" ... what are they supposed to be > ? > How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? > What is the difference between "scalar waves" and "ordinary" EM waves ? > > I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about that suff > than > I do. > > > Cheers, > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Volland" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM > Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit > > > I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg > > By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected > the > same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two > capacitors, > including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to opposite > sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the > defibrillator > inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a > spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two of > the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is the > wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the > inductor > and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap against > the > diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few seconds, > with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to the arc again. > The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going interval. If > the > top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and refired, > the > main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, signifying > the > presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect I'll > obtain > once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief is that > this > dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it should be > conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act as a > switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery to the > motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is > positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood experiences a > torque > impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit is fired. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg > > This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch square > by > 3/8" thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows the > basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. When > this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc it > produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff spark > is > fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there > may > be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space charge > effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced counter > rotating discs. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg > > The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap > terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a > certain > percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, > puffing > the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the arc > in > the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. So, > the > arc "splits the positive". With this version of the circuit, only two > discharge electrodes are needed. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg > > This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides of > the > transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit illustrates > the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I > discovered. > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg > > This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on > the > outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he > calls > it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has demonstrated, > that > the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two sine > waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my > circuit, > with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to > highlight > the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two positive > pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since this is > similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff > generator, > it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic the > Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS represents the > signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit represents the > signal from the Woodpecker. > > > When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the > transformer > switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, > fizzeling > squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the diode. > This > drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action of the > 100 > miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same size (16 > mF), > this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is subsequently > touched > to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled between the > caps > three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV __________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 25 21:46:34 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2Q4kC82014115; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:46:13 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2Q4kBNs014108; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:46:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:46:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:46:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: 9jJkEnoTv2UCGAoGpHyCExJixbA6NlbCUBpmCYNvE5w3zKm3iM8hxcyfueX6 pPvotHOAn7SKMN1nRfYMkA5pzzqrCZa9G7kqxdySOwT8or862bKJfv4W77vf PHdI9RfyElKPS3NoIUo58Rg@@ Resent-Message-ID: <_kib_D.A.XcD.TA1BGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25599 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 261 Hi, Alexander.=20 Sorry if my post gave the impression that I was claiming OU. Even if my = half baked ideas and feelings are right, there's still work to be done = before notable excess energy would be expected. What I'm thinking is that = IF the effect I observed does correlate to the Chernetski approach, then I = have a starting point for further experiments and development. But the = voltages cascading and auto accelerating through the arc would have to be = more harmoniously balanced than what I've put together by accident. Still, = I have been thinking about doing some photo meter readings.=20 If the brightness of the white light is due merely to electron state = transitions, wouldn't this set up form the basis for some kind of laser = system?=20 I haven't personally built any high frequency Scalar devices which produce = the slow moving energy. However, I did see a video demonstration of a high = altitude test of a Caduceus Drive. In the video, the white energy oozed = out a certain distance, then stopped and went out, while at the same time = the 'antenna' moved in the opposite direction, then stopped. This was = repeated a number of times, with the whole thing bouncing around in every = which direction way up there. (Then the same old familiar General walked = out onto the desert and looked up at it.) This is something I'm personally = not working on, due to my belief that this kind of energy blows off your = ectoplasm. I also have some concern along these lines regarding my own = test circuit. In fact, I've been advised to start doing some of my = experiments by remote control, without being physically close to the = effect. I think this is good advice, considering some of the things I'm = planning to check into.=20 The primary focus of my work with the puff spark is an effort to = understand Ed Gray's system, and why no one has been able to replicate his = results. It may be that his published circuit is a decoy.=20 By the way, your math looks straight forward to me.=20 All the best,=20 Jerry Volland=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: exan_=40hotmail.com=20 > Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:32:07 +0200=20 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com=20 > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D:=20 >=20 > Hello Jerry,=20 >=20 > well, the visual effect might be the simplest thing to explain. Light=20 > emission occurs if atoms were previously brought into a higher = energetic=20 > state(for example, caused by a strong em field in vicinity). The=20 > electrons=20 > gain energy, increase their energy niveau, are consequently unstable = and=20 > fall back to their standard state by releasing energy in form of=20 > electromagnetic radiation (photons =3D light). That is the light effect = you=20 > observed. Often, when really pretty strong em fields are utilized, the=20 > electrons gain so much energy that they leave their atoms and become=20 > =22free=22.=20 > This effect is called ionization. Heat increases rapidly, radiation=20 > levels=20 > are close to being hazardous, and bright light emission may be seen. = Such=20 > a=20 > phase of matter is reffered to as a =22plasma=22.=20 >=20 > You cannot say for sure that the white light you see is really a result=20 > of=20 > over-unity energy generation(which would be a violation of energy=20 > conservation). As a matter of fact, the currents(and voltages, in=20 > relation)=20 > you are using are high enough to ignite a new hell on Earth. :)=20 >=20 > Please, never try to touch the white light source because your flesh=20 > would=20 > be vaporized instantly and your bones would start to glow. The emission=20 > of a=20 > white light is always a sign for very high temperatures being involved = in=20 > the process.=20 >=20 > But of course, you can verify your claims by using a photometer. Sum up=20 > the=20 > energy you put into the device, and subtract the energy you measure=20 > getting=20 > away from the device. If it is negative, you have an over-unity effect.=20 > Such=20 > an examination is usually called a =22full thermodynamical analysis=22.=20 >=20 > I can imagine how Chernetski's device works. As aforementioned, an=20 > electron=20 > bound to an atom has different energy states. These energy states are=20 > quantized. That means, the energy you need to excite an atom increases = by=20 > adding constant packages. Furthermore, electrons cannot have zero = energy,=20 > because otherwise they would fall into the atomic nucleus. This = indicates=20 > that there is a minimum energy oscillation, called the zero-point = energy=20 > (or=20 > the zero-point state, or ground state). Now assume, you excite a = hydrogen=20 > atom to a point where its electron is between the 2s1/2 and 2p1/2 = energy=20 > state. Yet it does not have enough energy to complete the energy state=20 > transition. But it suddenly does, due to Heisenberg Uncertainty.=20 >=20 > E_=7B2p1/2=7D - (E_=7B2s1/2=7D+dE) =3D energy you put into the atom.=20 > dE =3D energy gain from a virtual photon flux (vacuum energy).=20 > Expectation value of Lamb shifted electron: =3D -Ze=5E2/(4*pi*e_0) = *=20 > <1/(r +=20 > dr )>,=20 > wheras dr is the change in orbit radius.=20 >=20 > Voila, you got energy from the =22zero point field=22. The reason why = people=20 > are=20 > using plasmas, is that their average energy can be controlled with a = high=20 > accuracy and they consist of myriads of single atoms not connected to=20 > each=20 > other. Especially it is simple to control the position of a plasma by=20 > using=20 > electromagnetic containment fields created by a set of coils.=20 >=20 > I must admit that my understanding of quantum field theory and quantum=20 > electrodynamics is yet pretty low. Thus I may have done some mistakes.=20 > Because if I did not, an effect called the =22Lamb Shift=22 would lead = to a=20 > violation of energy conservation which is the holy grail of modern=20 > physics.=20 > Such an obvious thing may not be overseen. I must be wrong, actually.=20 >=20 > Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift=20 >=20 > What you could try to do is to create a stable plasma made of hydrogen=20 > atoms=20 > confined by coils. Then excite it carefully until it suddenly gets more=20 > energy than expected (should be a sudden glow up).=20 >=20 > Have you built a device capeable of creating high frequency scalar = waves=20 > which one can see ?=20 >=20 >=20 > Ciao,=20 > Alexander=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: =22Jerry Volland=22 =20 > To: =20 > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 04:26 PM=20 > Subject: RE: =5BFG=5D:=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi, Alexander.=20 > Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. This = is=20 > something which should be included in any discussion about such=20 > experiments.=20 >=20 > I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention=20 > plasma,=20 > but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white effect = is=20 > something different and highly unusual. It may be that it resulted from=20 > the=20 > interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, there are=20 > various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For instance, = one=20 > usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence = patterns=20 > Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves appear in some=20 > places=20 > inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact that they=20 > cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment=20 > involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, and = with=20 > that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned pure = white.=20 > This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have this = second=20 > effect with the same brightness, but much bigger.=20 >=20 > Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the accuracy of = a=20 > clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often=20 > enclosed=20 > in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar detectors,=20 > do a=20 > web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the caduceus coil. Some=20 > people are sensitive and can feel or even see some forms of the exotic=20 > energy. This is how understanding can be advanced.=20 >=20 > I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed he was=20 > extracting ZPE from a spark, by =22cohering the active vacuum=22 to = produce=20 > positron coupling. Not much information is available, but he starts by=20 > saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my=20 > experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do this. Also,=20 > the=20 > positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are=20 > consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now=20 > designing a=20 > Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.)=20 >=20 > Here's the basic Chernetski article: = www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt=20 >=20 > Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients:=20 > http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html=20 >=20 > Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves:=20 > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html=20 >=20 > All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal=20 > 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical wavefront and=20 > the=20 > electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half wavelength of=20 > distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to the side,=20 > then=20 > back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux = corresponds=20 > to=20 > the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have flux, since=20 > they=20 > often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic fields, or both = -=20 > stressing the time dimension in the process. At least some Scalar waves=20 > are=20 > non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This is why their=20 > magnitude=20 > doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. Scalar means = magnitude=20 > without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, having magnitude and=20 > direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their possition), for=20 > instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges have no=20 > direction=20 > in 3 space.=20 >=20 > I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field to get=20 > more=20 > time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is widely=20 > attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the lower=20 > frequency=20 > waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, such as=20 > with=20 > the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, travel slower=20 > than=20 > light, and the difference in arrival times can be measured, relative to=20 > EM.=20 > And really high frequency exotic energy travels slow enough you can see=20 > it=20 > advance. Your idea is a good explanation of why energy can be extracted=20 > from the ZPF, even though the quantum fluxuations happen in such an=20 > incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em coming.=20 >=20 > Jerry=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message-----=20 >> From: exan_=40hotmail.com=20 >> Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100=20 >> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com=20 >> Subject: =5BFG=5D:=20 >>=20 >> Hello Jerry,=20 >>=20 >> I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are=20 >> lethal=20 >> and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by=20 >> strong=20 >> EM=20 >> field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The ionized=20 >> oxygen=20 >> atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not=20 >> forget=20 >> to get some fresh air into the room.=20 >>=20 >> The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic fields with = a=20 >> high=20 >> field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. It is=20 >> simply=20 >> ionized air, called a =22plasma=22. A plasma is quasi-neutral, but due = to=20 >> the=20 >> fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, it = might=20 >> be=20 >> electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes.=20 >>=20 >> Electrons, the =22charges=22, are in fact negatively charged and not=20 >> positively.=20 >> Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. Virtual=20 >> electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the Heisenberg = Uncertainty=20 >> relation dE*dt >=3D h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy field,=20 >> which=20 >> is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this =22appearance=22 = and=20 >> =22annihilation=22 happen too fast for the universe to notice, or there = is a=20 >> negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least partially.=20 >> Thus=20 >> if you are really serious about getting real energy from the ZPF, you=20 >> must=20 >> either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to use the=20 >> energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow=20 >> =22kill=22=20 >> the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use energy to=20 >> do=20 >> so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy Condition=20 >> (ANEC)=20 >> of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job.=20 >>=20 >> And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept in = Quantum=20 >> Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum energy=20 >> field=20 >> really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible that the=20 >> ZPF=20 >> is a mistake, and has never existed.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> And by the way ... these =22scalar waves=22 ... what are they supposed = to be=20 >> ?=20 >> How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ?=20 >> What is the difference between =22scalar waves=22 and =22ordinary=22 EM = waves ?=20 >>=20 >> I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about that = suff=20 >> than=20 >> I do.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Cheers,=20 >> Alexander=20 >>=20 >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: =22Jerry Volland=22 =20 >> To: =20 >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM=20 >> Subject: =5BFG=5D: Ed Gray Test Circuit=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment.=20 >>=20 >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg=20 >>=20 >> By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected=20 >> the=20 >> same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two=20 >> capacitors,=20 >> including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to=20 >> opposite=20 >> sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the=20 >> defibrillator=20 >> inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a=20 >> spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two=20 >> of=20 >> the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is = the=20 >> wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the=20 >> inductor=20 >> and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap = against=20 >> the=20 >> diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few = seconds,=20 >> with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to the arc=20 >> again.=20 >> The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going interval. If=20 >> the=20 >> top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and = refired,=20 >> the=20 >> main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, signifying=20 >> the=20 >> presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect I'll=20 >> obtain=20 >> once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief is that=20 >> this=20 >> dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it should = be=20 >> conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act as a=20 >> switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery to the=20 >> motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is=20 >> positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood experiences a=20 >> torque=20 >> impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit is = fired.=20 >>=20 >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg=20 >>=20 >> This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch = square=20 >> by=20 >> 3/8=22 thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows=20 >> the=20 >> basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. When=20 >> this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc it=20 >> produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff = spark=20 >> is=20 >> fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there=20 >> may=20 >> be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space charge=20 >> effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced counter=20 >> rotating discs.=20 >>=20 >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg=20 >>=20 >> The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap=20 >> terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a=20 >> certain=20 >> percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously,=20 >> puffing=20 >> the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the = arc=20 >> in=20 >> the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. = So,=20 >> the=20 >> arc =22splits the positive=22. With this version of the circuit, only = two=20 >> discharge electrodes are needed.=20 >>=20 >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg=20 >>=20 >> This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides = of=20 >> the=20 >> transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit=20 >> illustrates=20 >> the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I=20 >> discovered.=20 >>=20 >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg=20 >>=20 >> This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on=20 >> the=20 >> outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he=20 >> calls=20 >> it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has demonstrated,=20 >> that=20 >> the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two=20 >> sine=20 >> waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my=20 >> circuit,=20 >> with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to=20 >> highlight=20 >> the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two=20 >> positive=20 >> pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since this = is=20 >> similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff=20 >> generator,=20 >> it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic = the=20 >> Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS represents = the=20 >> signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit represents = the=20 >> signal from the Woodpecker.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the=20 >> transformer=20 >> switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow,=20 >> fizzeling=20 >> squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the diode.=20 >> This=20 >> drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action of the=20 >> 100=20 >> miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same size (16=20 >> mF),=20 >> this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is subsequently=20 >> touched=20 >> to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled between the=20 >> caps=20 >> three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 26 01:50:43 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2Q8oRcN018078; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:50:27 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2Q8oQSZ018066; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:50:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:50:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.54.245] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:51:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2007 08:50:25.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBB341B0:01C76F83] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25600 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 262 Hi Jerry, yes, you could build a neat nitrogen laser with your set up, I surmise. You just need to reach stimulated emission and population inversion. There are plenty of tutorials on the web covering this topic. Google will tell more. Concerning ectoplasma. You do know that this does not have any scientific concept substantiating it and no empiric observations has been done yet ? "Scalar waves", -if- they exist as it is claimed, might be dangerous anyways. However, since they are not omnidirectional, you can control the direction, whereto they should propagate. As I told you, the plasma, your whole set up, the currents/voltages, emit dangerous radiation. Primarily UV-/X-rays. And if it's not the radiation harming you, then it is the ozon gas resulting from the excited air. You would do wise to implement a remote control. Theoretically, it would suffice to stand behind a glass plate, within a faraday cage. It might also be good to use a sort of ventilation to get fresh air into the room. Cheers, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Volland" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 06:46 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Hi, Alexander. Sorry if my post gave the impression that I was claiming OU. Even if my half baked ideas and feelings are right, there's still work to be done before notable excess energy would be expected. What I'm thinking is that IF the effect I observed does correlate to the Chernetski approach, then I have a starting point for further experiments and development. But the voltages cascading and auto accelerating through the arc would have to be more harmoniously balanced than what I've put together by accident. Still, I have been thinking about doing some photo meter readings. If the brightness of the white light is due merely to electron state transitions, wouldn't this set up form the basis for some kind of laser system? I haven't personally built any high frequency Scalar devices which produce the slow moving energy. However, I did see a video demonstration of a high altitude test of a Caduceus Drive. In the video, the white energy oozed out a certain distance, then stopped and went out, while at the same time the 'antenna' moved in the opposite direction, then stopped. This was repeated a number of times, with the whole thing bouncing around in every which direction way up there. (Then the same old familiar General walked out onto the desert and looked up at it.) This is something I'm personally not working on, due to my belief that this kind of energy blows off your ectoplasm. I also have some concern along these lines regarding my own test circuit. In fact, I've been advised to start doing some of my experiments by remote control, without being physically close to the effect. I think this is good advice, considering some of the things I'm planning to check into. The primary focus of my work with the puff spark is an effort to understand Ed Gray's system, and why no one has been able to replicate his results. It may be that his published circuit is a decoy. By the way, your math looks straight forward to me. All the best, Jerry Volland > -----Original Message----- > From: exan_@hotmail.com > Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:32:07 +0200 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > Hello Jerry, > > well, the visual effect might be the simplest thing to explain. Light > emission occurs if atoms were previously brought into a higher energetic > state(for example, caused by a strong em field in vicinity). The > electrons > gain energy, increase their energy niveau, are consequently unstable and > fall back to their standard state by releasing energy in form of > electromagnetic radiation (photons = light). That is the light effect you > observed. Often, when really pretty strong em fields are utilized, the > electrons gain so much energy that they leave their atoms and become > "free". > This effect is called ionization. Heat increases rapidly, radiation > levels > are close to being hazardous, and bright light emission may be seen. Such > a > phase of matter is reffered to as a "plasma". > > You cannot say for sure that the white light you see is really a result > of > over-unity energy generation(which would be a violation of energy > conservation). As a matter of fact, the currents(and voltages, in > relation) > you are using are high enough to ignite a new hell on Earth. :) > > Please, never try to touch the white light source because your flesh > would > be vaporized instantly and your bones would start to glow. The emission > of a > white light is always a sign for very high temperatures being involved in > the process. > > But of course, you can verify your claims by using a photometer. Sum up > the > energy you put into the device, and subtract the energy you measure > getting > away from the device. If it is negative, you have an over-unity effect. > Such > an examination is usually called a "full thermodynamical analysis". > > I can imagine how Chernetski's device works. As aforementioned, an > electron > bound to an atom has different energy states. These energy states are > quantized. That means, the energy you need to excite an atom increases by > adding constant packages. Furthermore, electrons cannot have zero energy, > because otherwise they would fall into the atomic nucleus. This indicates > that there is a minimum energy oscillation, called the zero-point energy > (or > the zero-point state, or ground state). Now assume, you excite a hydrogen > atom to a point where its electron is between the 2s1/2 and 2p1/2 energy > state. Yet it does not have enough energy to complete the energy state > transition. But it suddenly does, due to Heisenberg Uncertainty. > > E_{2p1/2} - (E_{2s1/2}+dE) = energy you put into the atom. > dE = energy gain from a virtual photon flux (vacuum energy). > Expectation value of Lamb shifted electron: = -Ze^2/(4*pi*e_0) * > <1/(r + > dr )>, > wheras dr is the change in orbit radius. > > Voila, you got energy from the "zero point field". The reason why people > are > using plasmas, is that their average energy can be controlled with a high > accuracy and they consist of myriads of single atoms not connected to > each > other. Especially it is simple to control the position of a plasma by > using > electromagnetic containment fields created by a set of coils. > > I must admit that my understanding of quantum field theory and quantum > electrodynamics is yet pretty low. Thus I may have done some mistakes. > Because if I did not, an effect called the "Lamb Shift" would lead to a > violation of energy conservation which is the holy grail of modern > physics. > Such an obvious thing may not be overseen. I must be wrong, actually. > > Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift > > What you could try to do is to create a stable plasma made of hydrogen > atoms > confined by coils. Then excite it carefully until it suddenly gets more > energy than expected (should be a sudden glow up). > > Have you built a device capeable of creating high frequency scalar waves > which one can see ? > > > Ciao, > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Volland" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 04:26 PM > Subject: RE: [FG]: > > > Hi, Alexander. > Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. This is > something which should be included in any discussion about such > experiments. > > I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention > plasma, > but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white effect is > something different and highly unusual. It may be that it resulted from > the > interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, there are > various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For instance, one > usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence patterns > Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves appear in some > places > inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact that they > cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment > involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, and with > that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned pure white. > This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have this second > effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. > > Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the accuracy of a > clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often > enclosed > in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar detectors, > do a > web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the caduceus coil. Some > people are sensitive and can feel or even see some forms of the exotic > energy. This is how understanding can be advanced. > > I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed he was > extracting ZPE from a spark, by "cohering the active vacuum" to produce > positron coupling. Not much information is available, but he starts by > saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my > experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do this. Also, > the > positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are > consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now > designing a > Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) > > Here's the basic Chernetski article: www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt > > Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: > http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html > > Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html > > All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal > 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical wavefront and > the > electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half wavelength of > distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to the side, > then > back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux corresponds > to > the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have flux, since > they > often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic fields, or both - > stressing the time dimension in the process. At least some Scalar waves > are > non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This is why their > magnitude > doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. Scalar means magnitude > without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, having magnitude and > direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their possition), for > instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges have no > direction > in 3 space. > > I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field to get > more > time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is widely > attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the lower > frequency > waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, such as > with > the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, travel slower > than > light, and the difference in arrival times can be measured, relative to > EM. > And really high frequency exotic energy travels slow enough you can see > it > advance. Your idea is a good explanation of why energy can be extracted > from the ZPF, even though the quantum fluxuations happen in such an > incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em coming. > > Jerry > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: exan_@hotmail.com >> Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: [FG]: >> >> Hello Jerry, >> >> I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are >> lethal >> and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by >> strong >> EM >> field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The ionized >> oxygen >> atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not >> forget >> to get some fresh air into the room. >> >> The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic fields with a >> high >> field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. It is >> simply >> ionized air, called a "plasma". A plasma is quasi-neutral, but due to >> the >> fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, it might >> be >> electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. >> >> Electrons, the "charges", are in fact negatively charged and not >> positively. >> Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. Virtual >> electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the Heisenberg Uncertainty >> relation dE*dt >= h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy field, >> which >> is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this "appearance" and >> "annihilation" happen too fast for the universe to notice, or there is a >> negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least partially. >> Thus >> if you are really serious about getting real energy from the ZPF, you >> must >> either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to use the >> energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow >> "kill" >> the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use energy to >> do >> so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy Condition >> (ANEC) >> of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. >> >> And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept in Quantum >> Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum energy >> field >> really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible that the >> ZPF >> is a mistake, and has never existed. >> >> >> >> And by the way ... these "scalar waves" ... what are they supposed to be >> ? >> How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? >> What is the difference between "scalar waves" and "ordinary" EM waves ? >> >> I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about that suff >> than >> I do. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Alexander >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Volland" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM >> Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit >> >> >> I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg >> >> By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected >> the >> same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two >> capacitors, >> including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to >> opposite >> sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the >> defibrillator >> inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a >> spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two >> of >> the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is the >> wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the >> inductor >> and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap against >> the >> diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few seconds, >> with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to the arc >> again. >> The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going interval. If >> the >> top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and refired, >> the >> main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, signifying >> the >> presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect I'll >> obtain >> once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief is that >> this >> dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it should be >> conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act as a >> switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery to the >> motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is >> positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood experiences a >> torque >> impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit is fired. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg >> >> This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch square >> by >> 3/8" thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows >> the >> basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. When >> this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc it >> produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff spark >> is >> fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there >> may >> be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space charge >> effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced counter >> rotating discs. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg >> >> The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap >> terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a >> certain >> percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, >> puffing >> the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the arc >> in >> the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. So, >> the >> arc "splits the positive". With this version of the circuit, only two >> discharge electrodes are needed. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg >> >> This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides of >> the >> transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit >> illustrates >> the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I >> discovered. >> >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg >> >> This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on >> the >> outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he >> calls >> it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has demonstrated, >> that >> the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two >> sine >> waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my >> circuit, >> with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to >> highlight >> the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two >> positive >> pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since this is >> similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff >> generator, >> it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic the >> Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS represents the >> signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit represents the >> signal from the Woodpecker. >> >> >> When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the >> transformer >> switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, >> fizzeling >> squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the diode. >> This >> drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action of the >> 100 >> miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same size (16 >> mF), >> this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is subsequently >> touched >> to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled between the >> caps >> three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 26 05:08:56 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QC8Re9023015; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:08:27 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2QC8P8q023004; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:08:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:08:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:08:20 -0900 From: Robert Rollen Subject: Re: [FG]: In-reply-to: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: rrollen@gci.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25601 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 263 Take me off your list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander C. Gal" Date: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:51 pm Subject: Re: [FG]: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Hi Jerry, > > > yes, you could build a neat nitrogen laser with your set up, I > surmise. You > just need to reach stimulated emission and population inversion. > There are > plenty of tutorials on the web covering this topic. Google will > tell more. > > Concerning ectoplasma. You do know that this does not have any > scientific > concept substantiating it and no empiric observations has been > done yet ? > > "Scalar waves", -if- they exist as it is claimed, might be > dangerous > anyways. However, since they are not omnidirectional, you can > control the > direction, whereto they should propagate. As I told you, the > plasma, your > whole set up, the currents/voltages, emit dangerous radiation. > Primarily > UV-/X-rays. And if it's not the radiation harming you, then it is > the ozon > gas resulting from the excited air. You would do wise to implement > a remote > control. Theoretically, it would suffice to stand behind a glass > plate, > within a faraday cage. It might also be good to use a sort of > ventilation to > get fresh air into the room. > > > Cheers, > Alexander > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Volland" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 06:46 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > Hi, Alexander. > > Sorry if my post gave the impression that I was claiming OU. Even > if my half > baked ideas and feelings are right, there's still work to be done > before > notable excess energy would be expected. What I'm thinking is that > IF the > effect I observed does correlate to the Chernetski approach, then > I have a > starting point for further experiments and development. But the > voltages > cascading and auto accelerating through the arc would have to be > more > harmoniously balanced than what I've put together by accident. > Still, I have > been thinking about doing some photo meter readings. > > If the brightness of the white light is due merely to electron > state > transitions, wouldn't this set up form the basis for some kind of > laser > system? > > I haven't personally built any high frequency Scalar devices which > produce > the slow moving energy. However, I did see a video demonstration > of a high > altitude test of a Caduceus Drive. In the video, the white energy > oozed out > a certain distance, then stopped and went out, while at the same > time the > 'antenna' moved in the opposite direction, then stopped. This was > repeated a > number of times, with the whole thing bouncing around in every > which > direction way up there. (Then the same old familiar General walked > out onto > the desert and looked up at it.) This is something I'm personally > not > working on, due to my belief that this kind of energy blows off > your > ectoplasm. I also have some concern along these lines regarding my > own test > circuit. In fact, I've been advised to start doing some of my > experiments by > remote control, without being physically close to the effect. I > think this > is good advice, considering some of the things I'm planning to > check into. > > The primary focus of my work with the puff spark is an effort to > understand > Ed Gray's system, and why no one has been able to replicate his > results. It > may be that his published circuit is a decoy. > > By the way, your math looks straight forward to me. > > All the best, > > Jerry Volland > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: exan_@hotmail.com > > Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:32:07 +0200 > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > > Hello Jerry, > > > > well, the visual effect might be the simplest thing to explain. > Light> emission occurs if atoms were previously brought into a > higher energetic > > state(for example, caused by a strong em field in vicinity). The > > electrons > > gain energy, increase their energy niveau, are consequently > unstable and > > fall back to their standard state by releasing energy in form of > > electromagnetic radiation (photons = light). That is the light > effect you > > observed. Often, when really pretty strong em fields are > utilized, the > > electrons gain so much energy that they leave their atoms and become > > "free". > > This effect is called ionization. Heat increases rapidly, radiation > > levels > > are close to being hazardous, and bright light emission may be > seen. Such > > a > > phase of matter is reffered to as a "plasma". > > > > You cannot say for sure that the white light you see is really a > result> of > > over-unity energy generation(which would be a violation of energy > > conservation). As a matter of fact, the currents(and voltages, in > > relation) > > you are using are high enough to ignite a new hell on Earth. :) > > > > Please, never try to touch the white light source because your flesh > > would > > be vaporized instantly and your bones would start to glow. The > emission> of a > > white light is always a sign for very high temperatures being > involved in > > the process. > > > > But of course, you can verify your claims by using a photometer. > Sum up > > the > > energy you put into the device, and subtract the energy you measure > > getting > > away from the device. If it is negative, you have an over-unity > effect.> Such > > an examination is usually called a "full thermodynamical analysis". > > > > I can imagine how Chernetski's device works. As aforementioned, an > > electron > > bound to an atom has different energy states. These energy > states are > > quantized. That means, the energy you need to excite an atom > increases by > > adding constant packages. Furthermore, electrons cannot have > zero energy, > > because otherwise they would fall into the atomic nucleus. This > indicates> that there is a minimum energy oscillation, called the > zero-point energy > > (or > > the zero-point state, or ground state). Now assume, you excite a > hydrogen> atom to a point where its electron is between the 2s1/2 > and 2p1/2 energy > > state. Yet it does not have enough energy to complete the energy > state> transition. But it suddenly does, due to Heisenberg > Uncertainty.> > > E_{2p1/2} - (E_{2s1/2}+dE) = energy you put into the atom. > > dE = energy gain from a virtual photon flux (vacuum energy). > > Expectation value of Lamb shifted electron: = - > Ze^2/(4*pi*e_0) * > > <1/(r + > > dr )>, > > wheras dr is the change in orbit radius. > > > > Voila, you got energy from the "zero point field". The reason > why people > > are > > using plasmas, is that their average energy can be controlled > with a high > > accuracy and they consist of myriads of single atoms not > connected to > > each > > other. Especially it is simple to control the position of a > plasma by > > using > > electromagnetic containment fields created by a set of coils. > > > > I must admit that my understanding of quantum field theory and > quantum> electrodynamics is yet pretty low. Thus I may have done > some mistakes. > > Because if I did not, an effect called the "Lamb Shift" would > lead to a > > violation of energy conservation which is the holy grail of modern > > physics. > > Such an obvious thing may not be overseen. I must be wrong, > actually.> > > Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift > > > > What you could try to do is to create a stable plasma made of > hydrogen> atoms > > confined by coils. Then excite it carefully until it suddenly > gets more > > energy than expected (should be a sudden glow up). > > > > Have you built a device capeable of creating high frequency > scalar waves > > which one can see ? > > > > > > Ciao, > > Alexander > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Volland" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 04:26 PM > > Subject: RE: [FG]: > > > > > > Hi, Alexander. > > Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. > This is > > something which should be included in any discussion about such > > experiments. > > > > I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention > > plasma, > > but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white > effect is > > something different and highly unusual. It may be that it > resulted from > > the > > interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, > there are > > various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For > instance, one > > usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence > patterns> Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves > appear in some > > places > > inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact > that they > > cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment > > involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, > and with > > that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned > pure white. > > This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have > this second > > effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. > > > > Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the > accuracy of a > > clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often > > enclosed > > in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar > detectors,> do a > > web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the caduceus > coil. Some > > people are sensitive and can feel or even see some forms of the > exotic> energy. This is how understanding can be advanced. > > > > I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed > he was > > extracting ZPE from a spark, by "cohering the active vacuum" to > produce> positron coupling. Not much information is available, but > he starts by > > saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my > > experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do > this. Also, > > the > > positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are > > consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now > > designing a > > Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) > > > > Here's the basic Chernetski article: > www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt> > > Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: > > http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html > > > > Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html > > > > All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal > > 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical > wavefront and > > the > > electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half > wavelength of > > distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to > the side, > > then > > back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux > corresponds> to > > the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have flux, since > > they > > often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic fields, > or both - > > stressing the time dimension in the process. At least some > Scalar waves > > are > > non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This is why their > > magnitude > > doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. Scalar means > magnitude> without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, having > magnitude and > > direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their possition), for > > instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges have no > > direction > > in 3 space. > > > > I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field > to get > > more > > time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is > widely> attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the > lower> frequency > > waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, > such as > > with > > the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, travel > slower> than > > light, and the difference in arrival times can be measured, > relative to > > EM. > > And really high frequency exotic energy travels slow enough you > can see > > it > > advance. Your idea is a good explanation of why energy can be > extracted> from the ZPF, even though the quantum fluxuations > happen in such an > > incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em coming. > > > > Jerry > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: exan_@hotmail.com > >> Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> Subject: [FG]: > >> > >> Hello Jerry, > >> > >> I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are > >> lethal > >> and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by > >> strong > >> EM > >> field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The > ionized>> oxygen > >> atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not > >> forget > >> to get some fresh air into the room. > >> > >> The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic > fields with a > >> high > >> field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. > It is > >> simply > >> ionized air, called a "plasma". A plasma is quasi-neutral, but > due to > >> the > >> fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, > it might > >> be > >> electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. > >> > >> Electrons, the "charges", are in fact negatively charged and not > >> positively. > >> Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. > Virtual>> electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the > Heisenberg Uncertainty > >> relation dE*dt >= h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy > field,>> which > >> is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this > "appearance" and > >> "annihilation" happen too fast for the universe to notice, or > there is a > >> negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least > partially.>> Thus > >> if you are really serious about getting real energy from the > ZPF, you > >> must > >> either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to > use the > >> energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow > >> "kill" > >> the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use > energy to > >> do > >> so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy > Condition>> (ANEC) > >> of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. > >> > >> And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept > in Quantum > >> Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum > energy>> field > >> really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible > that the > >> ZPF > >> is a mistake, and has never existed. > >> > >> > >> > >> And by the way ... these "scalar waves" ... what are they > supposed to be > >> ? > >> How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? > >> What is the difference between "scalar waves" and "ordinary" EM > waves ? > >> > >> I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about > that suff > >> than > >> I do. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alexander > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jerry Volland" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM > >> Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit > >> > >> > >> I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. > >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg > >> > >> By examining the picture, you can see that each component is > connected>> the > >> same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two > >> capacitors, > >> including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to > >> opposite > >> sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the > >> defibrillator > >> inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer > forms a > >> spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These > are two > >> of > >> the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode > circle is the > >> wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the > >> inductor > >> and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top > cap against > >> the > >> diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few > seconds,>> with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back > to the arc > >> again. > >> The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going > interval. If > >> the > >> top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and > refired,>> the > >> main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, > signifying>> the > >> presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect > I'll>> obtain > >> once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief > is that > >> this > >> dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it > should be > >> conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act > as a > >> switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery > to the > >> motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is > >> positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood > experiences a > >> torque > >> impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit > is fired. > >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg > >> > >> This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an > inch square > >> by > >> 3/8" thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture > shows>> the > >> basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal > curl. When > >> this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's > arc it > >> produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the > puff spark > >> is > >> fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, > there>> may > >> be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space > charge>> effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely > spaced counter > >> rotating discs. > >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg > >> > >> The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's > spark gap > >> terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a > >> certain > >> percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, > >> puffing > >> the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through > the arc > >> in > >> the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller > cap. So, > >> the > >> arc "splits the positive". With this version of the circuit, > only two > >> discharge electrodes are needed. > >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg > >> > >> This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both > sides of > >> the > >> transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit > >> illustrates > >> the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I > >> discovered. > >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg > >> > >> This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the > circles on > >> the > >> outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris > and he > >> calls > >> it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has > demonstrated,>> that > >> the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two > >> sine > >> waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my > >> circuit, > >> with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to > >> highlight > >> the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two > >> positive > >> pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since > this is > >> similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff > >> generator, > >> it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to > mimic the > >> Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS > represents the > >> signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit > represents the > >> signal from the Woodpecker. > >> > >> > >> When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the > >> transformer > >> switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, > >> fizzeling > >> squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the > diode.>> This > >> drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action > of the > >> 100 > >> miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same > size (16 > >> mF), > >> this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is > subsequently>> touched > >> to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled > between the > >> caps > >> three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 26 09:02:33 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QG2IMg026862; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:02:19 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2QG2DHf026834; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:02:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:02:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:02:07 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: ib9mHH3JACn16OkJfet6ltwY1xJBpHDTLO2JyxnfjZf_lBiVKMNBRTZKohDU ldztGzOyfg8TYigyMzt3RQ6Ie3foqC5nGrLU9P8Xf9rUB4Moy6qr9J5d_Au9 CuWQQQPJzfKE0-U1koSDyIg@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25602 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 264 Hi, Alexander. I've built a couple of nitrogen lasers in the past, but they put out = ultraviolet. I was hoping for a White laser. ;) And I do believe that Scalar beams - or rays - do exist. Consider Tesla's = paramagnetic energy. This is basically just a positive node traveling in = step with straight forwards flux. And I've produced the opposite effect - = a negative node with sideways flux - on my woorkbench. This effect = appeared as a long term, tight corksrcew spark, unsupported on one end. = Ed Leedskalnin refered to this energy as magnatricity. I agree that shielding is important, but I don't have the money for a = glass screen or a large faraday cage. I've seen one shield which uses = various sized hemishperical depressions all over the metal wall. And Ed = Gray used thick layers of teflon around both his Tube and his motor. = Also, I've been able to shield one type of Scalar field with a = semiconductor sheet, but I'm not confident it'll work with everything. Thanks for talking with me about it, and your advice. Sincerely, Jerry Volland http://www.spaceoffice.us > -----Original Message----- > From: exan_=40hotmail.com > Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:51:59 +0200 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: >=20 > Hi Jerry, >=20 >=20 > yes, you could build a neat nitrogen laser with your set up, I surmise. > You > just need to reach stimulated emission and population inversion. There > are > plenty of tutorials on the web covering this topic. Google will tell > more. >=20 > Concerning ectoplasma. You do know that this does not have any scientific > concept substantiating it and no empiric observations has been done yet ? >=20 > =22Scalar waves=22, -if- they exist as it is claimed, might be dangerous > anyways. However, since they are not omnidirectional, you can control the > direction, whereto they should propagate. As I told you, the plasma, your > whole set up, the currents/voltages, emit dangerous radiation. Primarily > UV-/X-rays. And if it's not the radiation harming you, then it is the > ozon > gas resulting from the excited air. You would do wise to implement a > remote > control. Theoretically, it would suffice to stand behind a glass plate, > within a faraday cage. It might also be good to use a sort of ventilation > to > get fresh air into the room. >=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Alexander >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: =22Jerry Volland=22 > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 06:46 AM > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: >=20 >=20 > Hi, Alexander. >=20 > Sorry if my post gave the impression that I was claiming OU. Even if my > half > baked ideas and feelings are right, there's still work to be done before > notable excess energy would be expected. What I'm thinking is that IF the > effect I observed does correlate to the Chernetski approach, then I have > a > starting point for further experiments and development. But the voltages > cascading and auto accelerating through the arc would have to be more > harmoniously balanced than what I've put together by accident. Still, I > have > been thinking about doing some photo meter readings. >=20 > If the brightness of the white light is due merely to electron state > transitions, wouldn't this set up form the basis for some kind of laser > system? >=20 > I haven't personally built any high frequency Scalar devices which > produce > the slow moving energy. However, I did see a video demonstration of a > high > altitude test of a Caduceus Drive. In the video, the white energy oozed > out > a certain distance, then stopped and went out, while at the same time the > 'antenna' moved in the opposite direction, then stopped. This was > repeated a > number of times, with the whole thing bouncing around in every which > direction way up there. (Then the same old familiar General walked out > onto > the desert and looked up at it.) This is something I'm personally not > working on, due to my belief that this kind of energy blows off your > ectoplasm. I also have some concern along these lines regarding my own > test > circuit. In fact, I've been advised to start doing some of my experiments > by > remote control, without being physically close to the effect. I think > this > is good advice, considering some of the things I'm planning to check > into. >=20 > The primary focus of my work with the puff spark is an effort to > understand > Ed Gray's system, and why no one has been able to replicate his results. > It > may be that his published circuit is a decoy. >=20 > By the way, your math looks straight forward to me. >=20 > All the best, >=20 > Jerry Volland >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: exan_=40hotmail.com >> Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:32:07 +0200 >> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: >>=20 >> Hello Jerry, >>=20 >> well, the visual effect might be the simplest thing to explain. Light >> emission occurs if atoms were previously brought into a higher energetic >> state(for example, caused by a strong em field in vicinity). The >> electrons >> gain energy, increase their energy niveau, are consequently unstable and >> fall back to their standard state by releasing energy in form of >> electromagnetic radiation (photons =3D light). That is the light effect >> you >> observed. Often, when really pretty strong em fields are utilized, the >> electrons gain so much energy that they leave their atoms and become >> =22free=22. >> This effect is called ionization. Heat increases rapidly, radiation >> levels >> are close to being hazardous, and bright light emission may be seen. >> Such >> a >> phase of matter is reffered to as a =22plasma=22. >>=20 >> You cannot say for sure that the white light you see is really a result >> of >> over-unity energy generation(which would be a violation of energy >> conservation). As a matter of fact, the currents(and voltages, in >> relation) >> you are using are high enough to ignite a new hell on Earth. :) >>=20 >> Please, never try to touch the white light source because your flesh >> would >> be vaporized instantly and your bones would start to glow. The emission >> of a >> white light is always a sign for very high temperatures being involved >> in >> the process. >>=20 >> But of course, you can verify your claims by using a photometer. Sum up >> the >> energy you put into the device, and subtract the energy you measure >> getting >> away from the device. If it is negative, you have an over-unity effect. >> Such >> an examination is usually called a =22full thermodynamical analysis=22. >>=20 >> I can imagine how Chernetski's device works. As aforementioned, an >> electron >> bound to an atom has different energy states. These energy states are >> quantized. That means, the energy you need to excite an atom increases >> by >> adding constant packages. Furthermore, electrons cannot have zero >> energy, >> because otherwise they would fall into the atomic nucleus. This >> indicates >> that there is a minimum energy oscillation, called the zero-point energy >> (or >> the zero-point state, or ground state). Now assume, you excite a >> hydrogen >> atom to a point where its electron is between the 2s1/2 and 2p1/2 energy >> state. Yet it does not have enough energy to complete the energy state >> transition. But it suddenly does, due to Heisenberg Uncertainty. >>=20 >> E_=7B2p1/2=7D - (E_=7B2s1/2=7D+dE) =3D energy you put into the atom. >> dE =3D energy gain from a virtual photon flux (vacuum energy). >> Expectation value of Lamb shifted electron: =3D -Ze=5E2/(4*pi*e_0) * >> <1/(r + >> dr )>, >> wheras dr is the change in orbit radius. >>=20 >> Voila, you got energy from the =22zero point field=22. The reason why = people >> are >> using plasmas, is that their average energy can be controlled with a >> high >> accuracy and they consist of myriads of single atoms not connected to >> each >> other. Especially it is simple to control the position of a plasma by >> using >> electromagnetic containment fields created by a set of coils. >>=20 >> I must admit that my understanding of quantum field theory and quantum >> electrodynamics is yet pretty low. Thus I may have done some mistakes. >> Because if I did not, an effect called the =22Lamb Shift=22 would lead = to a >> violation of energy conservation which is the holy grail of modern >> physics. >> Such an obvious thing may not be overseen. I must be wrong, actually. >>=20 >> Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift >>=20 >> What you could try to do is to create a stable plasma made of hydrogen >> atoms >> confined by coils. Then excite it carefully until it suddenly gets more >> energy than expected (should be a sudden glow up). >>=20 >> Have you built a device capeable of creating high frequency scalar waves >> which one can see ? >>=20 >>=20 >> Ciao, >> Alexander >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: =22Jerry Volland=22 >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 04:26 PM >> Subject: RE: =5BFG=5D: >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi, Alexander. >> Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. This is >> something which should be included in any discussion about such >> experiments. >>=20 >> I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention >> plasma, >> but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white effect is >> something different and highly unusual. It may be that it resulted from >> the >> interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, there are >> various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For instance, one >> usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence >> patterns >> Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves appear in some >> places >> inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact that they >> cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment >> involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, and >> with >> that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned pure >> white. >> This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have this second >> effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. >>=20 >> Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the accuracy of a >> clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often >> enclosed >> in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar detectors, >> do a >> web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the caduceus coil. Some >> people are sensitive and can feel or even see some forms of the exotic >> energy. This is how understanding can be advanced. >>=20 >> I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed he was >> extracting ZPE from a spark, by =22cohering the active vacuum=22 to = produce >> positron coupling. Not much information is available, but he starts by >> saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my >> experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do this. Also, >> the >> positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are >> consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now >> designing a >> Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) >>=20 >> Here's the basic Chernetski article: >> www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt >>=20 >> Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: >> http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html >>=20 >> Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html >>=20 >> All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal >> 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical wavefront and >> the >> electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half wavelength of >> distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to the side, >> then >> back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux corresponds >> to >> the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have flux, since >> they >> often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic fields, or both - >> stressing the time dimension in the process. At least some Scalar waves >> are >> non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This is why their >> magnitude >> doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. Scalar means magnitude >> without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, having magnitude and >> direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their possition), for >> instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges have no >> direction >> in 3 space. >>=20 >> I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field to get >> more >> time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is widely >> attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the lower >> frequency >> waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, such as >> with >> the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, travel slower >> than >> light, and the difference in arrival times can be measured, relative to >> EM. >> And really high frequency exotic energy travels slow enough you can see >> it >> advance. Your idea is a good explanation of why energy can be extracted >> from the ZPF, even though the quantum fluxuations happen in such an >> incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em coming. >>=20 >> Jerry >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: exan_=40hotmail.com >>> Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 >>> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >>> Subject: =5BFG=5D: >>>=20 >>> Hello Jerry, >>>=20 >>> I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are >>> lethal >>> and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by >>> strong >>> EM >>> field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The ionized >>> oxygen >>> atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not >>> forget >>> to get some fresh air into the room. >>>=20 >>> The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic fields with a >>> high >>> field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. It is >>> simply >>> ionized air, called a =22plasma=22. A plasma is quasi-neutral, but due = to >>> the >>> fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, it might >>> be >>> electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. >>>=20 >>> Electrons, the =22charges=22, are in fact negatively charged and not >>> positively. >>> Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. Virtual >>> electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the Heisenberg >>> Uncertainty >>> relation dE*dt >=3D h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy field, >>> which >>> is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this =22appearance=22 = and >>> =22annihilation=22 happen too fast for the universe to notice, or = there is >>> a >>> negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least partially. >>> Thus >>> if you are really serious about getting real energy from the ZPF, you >>> must >>> either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to use the >>> energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow >>> =22kill=22 >>> the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use energy to >>> do >>> so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy Condition >>> (ANEC) >>> of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. >>>=20 >>> And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept in >>> Quantum >>> Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum energy >>> field >>> really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible that the >>> ZPF >>> is a mistake, and has never existed. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> And by the way ... these =22scalar waves=22 ... what are they supposed = to >>> be >>> ? >>> How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? >>> What is the difference between =22scalar waves=22 and =22ordinary=22 = EM waves ? >>>=20 >>> I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about that suff >>> than >>> I do. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Alexander >>>=20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: =22Jerry Volland=22 >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM >>> Subject: =5BFG=5D: Ed Gray Test Circuit >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. >>>=20 >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg >>>=20 >>> By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected >>> the >>> same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two >>> capacitors, >>> including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to >>> opposite >>> sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the >>> defibrillator >>> inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a >>> spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two >>> of >>> the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is the >>> wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the >>> inductor >>> and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap >>> against >>> the >>> diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few seconds, >>> with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to the arc >>> again. >>> The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going interval. If >>> the >>> top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and >>> refired, >>> the >>> main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, signifying >>> the >>> presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect I'll >>> obtain >>> once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief is that >>> this >>> dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it should be >>> conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act as a >>> switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery to the >>> motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is >>> positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood experiences a >>> torque >>> impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit is >>> fired. >>>=20 >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg >>>=20 >>> This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch >>> square >>> by >>> 3/8=22 thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows >>> the >>> basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. When >>> this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc it >>> produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff spark >>> is >>> fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there >>> may >>> be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space charge >>> effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced counter >>> rotating discs. >>>=20 >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg >>>=20 >>> The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap >>> terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a >>> certain >>> percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, >>> puffing >>> the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the arc >>> in >>> the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. So, >>> the >>> arc =22splits the positive=22. With this version of the circuit, only = two >>> discharge electrodes are needed. >>>=20 >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg >>>=20 >>> This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides of >>> the >>> transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit >>> illustrates >>> the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I >>> discovered. >>>=20 >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg >>>=20 >>> This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on >>> the >>> outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he >>> calls >>> it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has demonstrated, >>> that >>> the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two >>> sine >>> waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my >>> circuit, >>> with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to >>> highlight >>> the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two >>> positive >>> pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since this is >>> similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff >>> generator, >>> it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic >>> the >>> Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS represents the >>> signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit represents >>> the >>> signal from the Woodpecker. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the >>> transformer >>> switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, >>> fizzeling >>> squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the diode. >>> This >>> drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action of the >>> 100 >>> miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same size (16 >>> mF), >>> this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is subsequently >>> touched >>> to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled between the >>> caps >>> three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 26 09:51:28 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QGpFim030821; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:51:15 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2QGpEYv030803; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:51:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:51:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.54.245] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:52:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2007 16:51:14.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[F74D3B30:01C76FC6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25603 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 265 Hey Jerry, you are welcome. It's nice to chat about such stuff. nitrogen lasers are very cool and useful. You can use them to excite a dye, which will emit laser light in the visible spectrum. Red, green, blue, depending on the dye. Use a prism to superpose the rays and you get your white laser :) I think, slowly but surely I am going to sound like an idiot, but I do have to warn the other readers and you again, that nitrogen lasers need dangerous currents and the light emanating from the discharges contains fair amounts of x-ray radiation. The laser light is, as you mentioned before, in the UV frequency spectrum, rendering it invisible to the human eye. Yet it is pretty hazardous because it can cause skin cancer and severe retinal damage. Maybe I am just overcautios :) A large faraday cage is cheap, actually. You need a mesh wire fence grounded to a mass. I assume such a thing can be bought everywhere. Could you tell me, how to create a measurable/visible/sensible scalar field/beam, or point me to a page explaining it ? Ciao, Alexander. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Volland" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 06:02 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Hi, Alexander. I've built a couple of nitrogen lasers in the past, but they put out ultraviolet. I was hoping for a White laser. ;) And I do believe that Scalar beams - or rays - do exist. Consider Tesla's paramagnetic energy. This is basically just a positive node traveling in step with straight forwards flux. And I've produced the opposite effect - a negative node with sideways flux - on my woorkbench. This effect appeared as a long term, tight corksrcew spark, unsupported on one end. Ed Leedskalnin refered to this energy as magnatricity. I agree that shielding is important, but I don't have the money for a glass screen or a large faraday cage. I've seen one shield which uses various sized hemishperical depressions all over the metal wall. And Ed Gray used thick layers of teflon around both his Tube and his motor. Also, I've been able to shield one type of Scalar field with a semiconductor sheet, but I'm not confident it'll work with everything. Thanks for talking with me about it, and your advice. Sincerely, Jerry Volland http://www.spaceoffice.us > -----Original Message----- > From: exan_@hotmail.com > Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:51:59 +0200 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > Hi Jerry, > > > yes, you could build a neat nitrogen laser with your set up, I surmise. > You > just need to reach stimulated emission and population inversion. There > are > plenty of tutorials on the web covering this topic. Google will tell > more. > > Concerning ectoplasma. You do know that this does not have any scientific > concept substantiating it and no empiric observations has been done yet ? > > "Scalar waves", -if- they exist as it is claimed, might be dangerous > anyways. However, since they are not omnidirectional, you can control the > direction, whereto they should propagate. As I told you, the plasma, your > whole set up, the currents/voltages, emit dangerous radiation. Primarily > UV-/X-rays. And if it's not the radiation harming you, then it is the > ozon > gas resulting from the excited air. You would do wise to implement a > remote > control. Theoretically, it would suffice to stand behind a glass plate, > within a faraday cage. It might also be good to use a sort of ventilation > to > get fresh air into the room. > > > Cheers, > Alexander > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Volland" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 06:46 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > Hi, Alexander. > > Sorry if my post gave the impression that I was claiming OU. Even if my > half > baked ideas and feelings are right, there's still work to be done before > notable excess energy would be expected. What I'm thinking is that IF the > effect I observed does correlate to the Chernetski approach, then I have > a > starting point for further experiments and development. But the voltages > cascading and auto accelerating through the arc would have to be more > harmoniously balanced than what I've put together by accident. Still, I > have > been thinking about doing some photo meter readings. > > If the brightness of the white light is due merely to electron state > transitions, wouldn't this set up form the basis for some kind of laser > system? > > I haven't personally built any high frequency Scalar devices which > produce > the slow moving energy. However, I did see a video demonstration of a > high > altitude test of a Caduceus Drive. In the video, the white energy oozed > out > a certain distance, then stopped and went out, while at the same time the > 'antenna' moved in the opposite direction, then stopped. This was > repeated a > number of times, with the whole thing bouncing around in every which > direction way up there. (Then the same old familiar General walked out > onto > the desert and looked up at it.) This is something I'm personally not > working on, due to my belief that this kind of energy blows off your > ectoplasm. I also have some concern along these lines regarding my own > test > circuit. In fact, I've been advised to start doing some of my experiments > by > remote control, without being physically close to the effect. I think > this > is good advice, considering some of the things I'm planning to check > into. > > The primary focus of my work with the puff spark is an effort to > understand > Ed Gray's system, and why no one has been able to replicate his results. > It > may be that his published circuit is a decoy. > > By the way, your math looks straight forward to me. > > All the best, > > Jerry Volland > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: exan_@hotmail.com >> Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:32:07 +0200 >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: >> >> Hello Jerry, >> >> well, the visual effect might be the simplest thing to explain. Light >> emission occurs if atoms were previously brought into a higher energetic >> state(for example, caused by a strong em field in vicinity). The >> electrons >> gain energy, increase their energy niveau, are consequently unstable and >> fall back to their standard state by releasing energy in form of >> electromagnetic radiation (photons = light). That is the light effect >> you >> observed. Often, when really pretty strong em fields are utilized, the >> electrons gain so much energy that they leave their atoms and become >> "free". >> This effect is called ionization. Heat increases rapidly, radiation >> levels >> are close to being hazardous, and bright light emission may be seen. >> Such >> a >> phase of matter is reffered to as a "plasma". >> >> You cannot say for sure that the white light you see is really a result >> of >> over-unity energy generation(which would be a violation of energy >> conservation). As a matter of fact, the currents(and voltages, in >> relation) >> you are using are high enough to ignite a new hell on Earth. :) >> >> Please, never try to touch the white light source because your flesh >> would >> be vaporized instantly and your bones would start to glow. The emission >> of a >> white light is always a sign for very high temperatures being involved >> in >> the process. >> >> But of course, you can verify your claims by using a photometer. Sum up >> the >> energy you put into the device, and subtract the energy you measure >> getting >> away from the device. If it is negative, you have an over-unity effect. >> Such >> an examination is usually called a "full thermodynamical analysis". >> >> I can imagine how Chernetski's device works. As aforementioned, an >> electron >> bound to an atom has different energy states. These energy states are >> quantized. That means, the energy you need to excite an atom increases >> by >> adding constant packages. Furthermore, electrons cannot have zero >> energy, >> because otherwise they would fall into the atomic nucleus. This >> indicates >> that there is a minimum energy oscillation, called the zero-point energy >> (or >> the zero-point state, or ground state). Now assume, you excite a >> hydrogen >> atom to a point where its electron is between the 2s1/2 and 2p1/2 energy >> state. Yet it does not have enough energy to complete the energy state >> transition. But it suddenly does, due to Heisenberg Uncertainty. >> >> E_{2p1/2} - (E_{2s1/2}+dE) = energy you put into the atom. >> dE = energy gain from a virtual photon flux (vacuum energy). >> Expectation value of Lamb shifted electron: = -Ze^2/(4*pi*e_0) * >> <1/(r + >> dr )>, >> wheras dr is the change in orbit radius. >> >> Voila, you got energy from the "zero point field". The reason why people >> are >> using plasmas, is that their average energy can be controlled with a >> high >> accuracy and they consist of myriads of single atoms not connected to >> each >> other. Especially it is simple to control the position of a plasma by >> using >> electromagnetic containment fields created by a set of coils. >> >> I must admit that my understanding of quantum field theory and quantum >> electrodynamics is yet pretty low. Thus I may have done some mistakes. >> Because if I did not, an effect called the "Lamb Shift" would lead to a >> violation of energy conservation which is the holy grail of modern >> physics. >> Such an obvious thing may not be overseen. I must be wrong, actually. >> >> Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift >> >> What you could try to do is to create a stable plasma made of hydrogen >> atoms >> confined by coils. Then excite it carefully until it suddenly gets more >> energy than expected (should be a sudden glow up). >> >> Have you built a device capeable of creating high frequency scalar waves >> which one can see ? >> >> >> Ciao, >> Alexander >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Volland" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 04:26 PM >> Subject: RE: [FG]: >> >> >> Hi, Alexander. >> Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. This is >> something which should be included in any discussion about such >> experiments. >> >> I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention >> plasma, >> but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white effect is >> something different and highly unusual. It may be that it resulted from >> the >> interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, there are >> various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For instance, one >> usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence >> patterns >> Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves appear in some >> places >> inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact that they >> cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment >> involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, and >> with >> that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned pure >> white. >> This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have this second >> effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. >> >> Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the accuracy of a >> clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often >> enclosed >> in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar detectors, >> do a >> web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the caduceus coil. Some >> people are sensitive and can feel or even see some forms of the exotic >> energy. This is how understanding can be advanced. >> >> I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed he was >> extracting ZPE from a spark, by "cohering the active vacuum" to produce >> positron coupling. Not much information is available, but he starts by >> saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my >> experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do this. Also, >> the >> positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are >> consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now >> designing a >> Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) >> >> Here's the basic Chernetski article: >> www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt >> >> Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: >> http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html >> >> Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html >> >> All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal >> 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical wavefront and >> the >> electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half wavelength of >> distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to the side, >> then >> back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux corresponds >> to >> the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have flux, since >> they >> often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic fields, or both - >> stressing the time dimension in the process. At least some Scalar waves >> are >> non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This is why their >> magnitude >> doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. Scalar means magnitude >> without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, having magnitude and >> direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their possition), for >> instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges have no >> direction >> in 3 space. >> >> I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field to get >> more >> time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is widely >> attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the lower >> frequency >> waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, such as >> with >> the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, travel slower >> than >> light, and the difference in arrival times can be measured, relative to >> EM. >> And really high frequency exotic energy travels slow enough you can see >> it >> advance. Your idea is a good explanation of why energy can be extracted >> from the ZPF, even though the quantum fluxuations happen in such an >> incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em coming. >> >> Jerry >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: exan_@hotmail.com >>> Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 >>> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>> Subject: [FG]: >>> >>> Hello Jerry, >>> >>> I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are >>> lethal >>> and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by >>> strong >>> EM >>> field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The ionized >>> oxygen >>> atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not >>> forget >>> to get some fresh air into the room. >>> >>> The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic fields with a >>> high >>> field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. It is >>> simply >>> ionized air, called a "plasma". A plasma is quasi-neutral, but due to >>> the >>> fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, it might >>> be >>> electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. >>> >>> Electrons, the "charges", are in fact negatively charged and not >>> positively. >>> Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. Virtual >>> electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the Heisenberg >>> Uncertainty >>> relation dE*dt >= h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy field, >>> which >>> is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this "appearance" and >>> "annihilation" happen too fast for the universe to notice, or there is >>> a >>> negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least partially. >>> Thus >>> if you are really serious about getting real energy from the ZPF, you >>> must >>> either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to use the >>> energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow >>> "kill" >>> the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use energy to >>> do >>> so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy Condition >>> (ANEC) >>> of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. >>> >>> And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept in >>> Quantum >>> Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum energy >>> field >>> really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible that the >>> ZPF >>> is a mistake, and has never existed. >>> >>> >>> >>> And by the way ... these "scalar waves" ... what are they supposed to >>> be >>> ? >>> How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? >>> What is the difference between "scalar waves" and "ordinary" EM waves ? >>> >>> I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about that suff >>> than >>> I do. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexander >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jerry Volland" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM >>> Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit >>> >>> >>> I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. >>> >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg >>> >>> By examining the picture, you can see that each component is connected >>> the >>> same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two >>> capacitors, >>> including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to >>> opposite >>> sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the >>> defibrillator >>> inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer forms a >>> spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These are two >>> of >>> the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode circle is the >>> wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the >>> inductor >>> and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top cap >>> against >>> the >>> diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few seconds, >>> with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back to the arc >>> again. >>> The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going interval. If >>> the >>> top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and >>> refired, >>> the >>> main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, signifying >>> the >>> presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect I'll >>> obtain >>> once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief is that >>> this >>> dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it should be >>> conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act as a >>> switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery to the >>> motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is >>> positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood experiences a >>> torque >>> impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit is >>> fired. >>> >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg >>> >>> This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an inch >>> square >>> by >>> 3/8" thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture shows >>> the >>> basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal curl. When >>> this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's arc it >>> produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the puff spark >>> is >>> fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, there >>> may >>> be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space charge >>> effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely spaced counter >>> rotating discs. >>> >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg >>> >>> The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's spark gap >>> terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a >>> certain >>> percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, >>> puffing >>> the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through the arc >>> in >>> the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller cap. So, >>> the >>> arc "splits the positive". With this version of the circuit, only two >>> discharge electrodes are needed. >>> >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg >>> >>> This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both sides of >>> the >>> transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit >>> illustrates >>> the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I >>> discovered. >>> >>> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg >>> >>> This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the circles on >>> the >>> outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris and he >>> calls >>> it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has demonstrated, >>> that >>> the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two >>> sine >>> waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my >>> circuit, >>> with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to >>> highlight >>> the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two >>> positive >>> pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since this is >>> similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff >>> generator, >>> it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to mimic >>> the >>> Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS represents the >>> signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit represents >>> the >>> signal from the Woodpecker. >>> >>> >>> When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the >>> transformer >>> switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, >>> fizzeling >>> squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the diode. >>> This >>> drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action of the >>> 100 >>> miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same size (16 >>> mF), >>> this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is subsequently >>> touched >>> to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled between the >>> caps >>> three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 26 13:41:56 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QKfbZs023836; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:41:38 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2QKfZrH023827; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:41:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:41:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [72.148.255.221] From: To: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:41:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20070326204133.RZAE25499.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25604 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 266 Robert, You need to unsubscribe yourself. This has been a low volume list for a couple of years now. I forget how to unsubscribe, I had a heck of a time getting back on when I changed isps many years back. Ask the list nicely and maybe someone can point you in the right direction. -- Charlie > > From: Robert Rollen > Date: 2007/03/26 Mon AM 08:08:20 EDT > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > CC: rrollen@gci.net > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > Take me off your list > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexander C. Gal" > Date: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:51 pm > Subject: Re: [FG]: > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > > > yes, you could build a neat nitrogen laser with your set up, I > > surmise. You > > just need to reach stimulated emission and population inversion. > > There are > > plenty of tutorials on the web covering this topic. Google will > > tell more. > > > > Concerning ectoplasma. You do know that this does not have any > > scientific > > concept substantiating it and no empiric observations has been > > done yet ? > > > > "Scalar waves", -if- they exist as it is claimed, might be > > dangerous > > anyways. However, since they are not omnidirectional, you can > > control the > > direction, whereto they should propagate. As I told you, the > > plasma, your > > whole set up, the currents/voltages, emit dangerous radiation. > > Primarily > > UV-/X-rays. And if it's not the radiation harming you, then it is > > the ozon > > gas resulting from the excited air. You would do wise to implement > > a remote > > control. Theoretically, it would suffice to stand behind a glass > > plate, > > within a faraday cage. It might also be good to use a sort of > > ventilation to > > get fresh air into the room. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Alexander > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Volland" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 06:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > > > > Hi, Alexander. > > > > Sorry if my post gave the impression that I was claiming OU. Even > > if my half > > baked ideas and feelings are right, there's still work to be done > > before > > notable excess energy would be expected. What I'm thinking is that > > IF the > > effect I observed does correlate to the Chernetski approach, then > > I have a > > starting point for further experiments and development. But the > > voltages > > cascading and auto accelerating through the arc would have to be > > more > > harmoniously balanced than what I've put together by accident. > > Still, I have > > been thinking about doing some photo meter readings. > > > > If the brightness of the white light is due merely to electron > > state > > transitions, wouldn't this set up form the basis for some kind of > > laser > > system? > > > > I haven't personally built any high frequency Scalar devices which > > produce > > the slow moving energy. However, I did see a video demonstration > > of a high > > altitude test of a Caduceus Drive. In the video, the white energy > > oozed out > > a certain distance, then stopped and went out, while at the same > > time the > > 'antenna' moved in the opposite direction, then stopped. This was > > repeated a > > number of times, with the whole thing bouncing around in every > > which > > direction way up there. (Then the same old familiar General walked > > out onto > > the desert and looked up at it.) This is something I'm personally > > not > > working on, due to my belief that this kind of energy blows off > > your > > ectoplasm. I also have some concern along these lines regarding my > > own test > > circuit. In fact, I've been advised to start doing some of my > > experiments by > > remote control, without being physically close to the effect. I > > think this > > is good advice, considering some of the things I'm planning to > > check into. > > > > The primary focus of my work with the puff spark is an effort to > > understand > > Ed Gray's system, and why no one has been able to replicate his > > results. It > > may be that his published circuit is a decoy. > > > > By the way, your math looks straight forward to me. > > > > All the best, > > > > Jerry Volland > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: exan_@hotmail.com > > > Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:32:07 +0200 > > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > > > > Hello Jerry, > > > > > > well, the visual effect might be the simplest thing to explain. > > Light> emission occurs if atoms were previously brought into a > > higher energetic > > > state(for example, caused by a strong em field in vicinity). The > > > electrons > > > gain energy, increase their energy niveau, are consequently > > unstable and > > > fall back to their standard state by releasing energy in form of > > > electromagnetic radiation (photons = light). That is the light > > effect you > > > observed. Often, when really pretty strong em fields are > > utilized, the > > > electrons gain so much energy that they leave their atoms and become > > > "free". > > > This effect is called ionization. Heat increases rapidly, radiation > > > levels > > > are close to being hazardous, and bright light emission may be > > seen. Such > > > a > > > phase of matter is reffered to as a "plasma". > > > > > > You cannot say for sure that the white light you see is really a > > result> of > > > over-unity energy generation(which would be a violation of energy > > > conservation). As a matter of fact, the currents(and voltages, in > > > relation) > > > you are using are high enough to ignite a new hell on Earth. :) > > > > > > Please, never try to touch the white light source because your flesh > > > would > > > be vaporized instantly and your bones would start to glow. The > > emission> of a > > > white light is always a sign for very high temperatures being > > involved in > > > the process. > > > > > > But of course, you can verify your claims by using a photometer. > > Sum up > > > the > > > energy you put into the device, and subtract the energy you measure > > > getting > > > away from the device. If it is negative, you have an over-unity > > effect.> Such > > > an examination is usually called a "full thermodynamical analysis". > > > > > > I can imagine how Chernetski's device works. As aforementioned, an > > > electron > > > bound to an atom has different energy states. These energy > > states are > > > quantized. That means, the energy you need to excite an atom > > increases by > > > adding constant packages. Furthermore, electrons cannot have > > zero energy, > > > because otherwise they would fall into the atomic nucleus. This > > indicates> that there is a minimum energy oscillation, called the > > zero-point energy > > > (or > > > the zero-point state, or ground state). Now assume, you excite a > > hydrogen> atom to a point where its electron is between the 2s1/2 > > and 2p1/2 energy > > > state. Yet it does not have enough energy to complete the energy > > state> transition. But it suddenly does, due to Heisenberg > > Uncertainty.> > > > E_{2p1/2} - (E_{2s1/2}+dE) = energy you put into the atom. > > > dE = energy gain from a virtual photon flux (vacuum energy). > > > Expectation value of Lamb shifted electron: = - > > Ze^2/(4*pi*e_0) * > > > <1/(r + > > > dr )>, > > > wheras dr is the change in orbit radius. > > > > > > Voila, you got energy from the "zero point field". The reason > > why people > > > are > > > using plasmas, is that their average energy can be controlled > > with a high > > > accuracy and they consist of myriads of single atoms not > > connected to > > > each > > > other. Especially it is simple to control the position of a > > plasma by > > > using > > > electromagnetic containment fields created by a set of coils. > > > > > > I must admit that my understanding of quantum field theory and > > quantum> electrodynamics is yet pretty low. Thus I may have done > > some mistakes. > > > Because if I did not, an effect called the "Lamb Shift" would > > lead to a > > > violation of energy conservation which is the holy grail of modern > > > physics. > > > Such an obvious thing may not be overseen. I must be wrong, > > actually.> > > > Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift > > > > > > What you could try to do is to create a stable plasma made of > > hydrogen> atoms > > > confined by coils. Then excite it carefully until it suddenly > > gets more > > > energy than expected (should be a sudden glow up). > > > > > > Have you built a device capeable of creating high frequency > > scalar waves > > > which one can see ? > > > > > > > > > Ciao, > > > Alexander > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jerry Volland" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 04:26 PM > > > Subject: RE: [FG]: > > > > > > > > > Hi, Alexander. > > > Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. > > This is > > > something which should be included in any discussion about such > > > experiments. > > > > > > I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention > > > plasma, > > > but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white > > effect is > > > something different and highly unusual. It may be that it > > resulted from > > > the > > > interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, > > there are > > > various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For > > instance, one > > > usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence > > patterns> Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves > > appear in some > > > places > > > inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact > > that they > > > cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment > > > involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, > > and with > > > that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned > > pure white. > > > This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have > > this second > > > effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. > > > > > > Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the > > accuracy of a > > > clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often > > > enclosed > > > in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar > > detectors,> do a > > > web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the caduceus > > coil. Some > > > people are sensitive and can feel or even see some forms of the > > exotic> energy. This is how understanding can be advanced. > > > > > > I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed > > he was > > > extracting ZPE from a spark, by "cohering the active vacuum" to > > produce> positron coupling. Not much information is available, but > > he starts by > > > saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my > > > experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do > > this. Also, > > > the > > > positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are > > > consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now > > > designing a > > > Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) > > > > > > Here's the basic Chernetski article: > > www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt> > > > Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: > > > http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html > > > > > > Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: > > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html > > > > > > All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal > > > 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical > > wavefront and > > > the > > > electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half > > wavelength of > > > distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to > > the side, > > > then > > > back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux > > corresponds> to > > > the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have flux, since > > > they > > > often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic fields, > > or both - > > > stressing the time dimension in the process. At least some > > Scalar waves > > > are > > > non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This is why their > > > magnitude > > > doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. Scalar means > > magnitude> without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, having > > magnitude and > > > direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their possition), for > > > instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges have no > > > direction > > > in 3 space. > > > > > > I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field > > to get > > > more > > > time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is > > widely> attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the > > lower> frequency > > > waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, > > such as > > > with > > > the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, travel > > slower> than > > > light, and the difference in arrival times can be measured, > > relative to > > > EM. > > > And really high frequency exotic energy travels slow enough you > > can see > > > it > > > advance. Your idea is a good explanation of why energy can be > > extracted> from the ZPF, even though the quantum fluxuations > > happen in such an > > > incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em coming. > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: exan_@hotmail.com > > >> Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 > > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > >> Subject: [FG]: > > >> > > >> Hello Jerry, > > >> > > >> I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are > > >> lethal > > >> and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by > > >> strong > > >> EM > > >> field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The > > ionized>> oxygen > > >> atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not > > >> forget > > >> to get some fresh air into the room. > > >> > > >> The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic > > fields with a > > >> high > > >> field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. > > It is > > >> simply > > >> ionized air, called a "plasma". A plasma is quasi-neutral, but > > due to > > >> the > > >> fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, > > it might > > >> be > > >> electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. > > >> > > >> Electrons, the "charges", are in fact negatively charged and not > > >> positively. > > >> Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. > > Virtual>> electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the > > Heisenberg Uncertainty > > >> relation dE*dt >= h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy > > field,>> which > > >> is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this > > "appearance" and > > >> "annihilation" happen too fast for the universe to notice, or > > there is a > > >> negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least > > partially.>> Thus > > >> if you are really serious about getting real energy from the > > ZPF, you > > >> must > > >> either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to > > use the > > >> energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow > > >> "kill" > > >> the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use > > energy to > > >> do > > >> so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy > > Condition>> (ANEC) > > >> of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. > > >> > > >> And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept > > in Quantum > > >> Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum > > energy>> field > > >> really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible > > that the > > >> ZPF > > >> is a mistake, and has never existed. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> And by the way ... these "scalar waves" ... what are they > > supposed to be > > >> ? > > >> How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? > > >> What is the difference between "scalar waves" and "ordinary" EM > > waves ? > > >> > > >> I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about > > that suff > > >> than > > >> I do. > > >> > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Alexander > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Jerry Volland" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM > > >> Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit > > >> > > >> > > >> I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. > > >> > > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg > > >> > > >> By examining the picture, you can see that each component is > > connected>> the > > >> same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two > > >> capacitors, > > >> including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to > > >> opposite > > >> sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the > > >> defibrillator > > >> inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer > > forms a > > >> spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These > > are two > > >> of > > >> the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode > > circle is the > > >> wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the > > >> inductor > > >> and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top > > cap against > > >> the > > >> diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few > > seconds,>> with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back > > to the arc > > >> again. > > >> The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going > > interval. If > > >> the > > >> top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and > > refired,>> the > > >> main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, > > signifying>> the > > >> presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect > > I'll>> obtain > > >> once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief > > is that > > >> this > > >> dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it > > should be > > >> conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act > > as a > > >> switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery > > to the > > >> motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is > > >> positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood > > experiences a > > >> torque > > >> impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit > > is fired. > > >> > > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg > > >> > > >> This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an > > inch square > > >> by > > >> 3/8" thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture > > shows>> the > > >> basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal > > curl. When > > >> this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's > > arc it > > >> produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the > > puff spark > > >> is > > >> fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, > > there>> may > > >> be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space > > charge>> effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely > > spaced counter > > >> rotating discs. > > >> > > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg > > >> > > >> The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's > > spark gap > > >> terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a > > >> certain > > >> percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, > > >> puffing > > >> the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through > > the arc > > >> in > > >> the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller > > cap. So, > > >> the > > >> arc "splits the positive". With this version of the circuit, > > only two > > >> discharge electrodes are needed. > > >> > > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg > > >> > > >> This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both > > sides of > > >> the > > >> transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit > > >> illustrates > > >> the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I > > >> discovered. > > >> > > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg > > >> > > >> This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the > > circles on > > >> the > > >> outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris > > and he > > >> calls > > >> it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has > > demonstrated,>> that > > >> the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two > > >> sine > > >> waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my > > >> circuit, > > >> with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to > > >> highlight > > >> the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two > > >> positive > > >> pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since > > this is > > >> similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff > > >> generator, > > >> it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to > > mimic the > > >> Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS > > represents the > > >> signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit > > represents the > > >> signal from the Woodpecker. > > >> > > >> > > >> When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the > > >> transformer > > >> switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, > > >> fizzeling > > >> squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the > > diode.>> This > > >> drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action > > of the > > >> 100 > > >> miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same > > size (16 > > >> mF), > > >> this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is > > subsequently>> touched > > >> to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled > > between the > > >> caps > > >> three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 26 14:21:33 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QLKv7T019955; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:20:58 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2QLKtUW019928; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:20:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:20:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.3.48] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. 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Just write "unsubscribe" in an empty email to the mailing list. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:41 PM Subject: [FG]: > Robert, > > You need to unsubscribe yourself. This has been a low volume list for a > couple of years now. I forget how to unsubscribe, I had a heck of a time > getting back on when I changed isps many years back. > > Ask the list nicely and maybe someone can point you in the right > direction. > > -- Charlie >> >> From: Robert Rollen >> Date: 2007/03/26 Mon AM 08:08:20 EDT >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> CC: rrollen@gci.net >> Subject: Re: [FG]: >> >> Take me off your list >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alexander C. Gal" >> Date: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:51 pm >> Subject: Re: [FG]: >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> > Hi Jerry, >> > >> > >> > yes, you could build a neat nitrogen laser with your set up, I >> > surmise. You >> > just need to reach stimulated emission and population inversion. >> > There are >> > plenty of tutorials on the web covering this topic. Google will >> > tell more. >> > >> > Concerning ectoplasma. You do know that this does not have any >> > scientific >> > concept substantiating it and no empiric observations has been >> > done yet ? >> > >> > "Scalar waves", -if- they exist as it is claimed, might be >> > dangerous >> > anyways. However, since they are not omnidirectional, you can >> > control the >> > direction, whereto they should propagate. As I told you, the >> > plasma, your >> > whole set up, the currents/voltages, emit dangerous radiation. >> > Primarily >> > UV-/X-rays. And if it's not the radiation harming you, then it is >> > the ozon >> > gas resulting from the excited air. You would do wise to implement >> > a remote >> > control. Theoretically, it would suffice to stand behind a glass >> > plate, >> > within a faraday cage. It might also be good to use a sort of >> > ventilation to >> > get fresh air into the room. >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexander >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jerry Volland" >> > To: >> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 06:46 AM >> > Subject: Re: [FG]: >> > >> > >> > Hi, Alexander. >> > >> > Sorry if my post gave the impression that I was claiming OU. Even >> > if my half >> > baked ideas and feelings are right, there's still work to be done >> > before >> > notable excess energy would be expected. What I'm thinking is that >> > IF the >> > effect I observed does correlate to the Chernetski approach, then >> > I have a >> > starting point for further experiments and development. But the >> > voltages >> > cascading and auto accelerating through the arc would have to be >> > more >> > harmoniously balanced than what I've put together by accident. >> > Still, I have >> > been thinking about doing some photo meter readings. >> > >> > If the brightness of the white light is due merely to electron >> > state >> > transitions, wouldn't this set up form the basis for some kind of >> > laser >> > system? >> > >> > I haven't personally built any high frequency Scalar devices which >> > produce >> > the slow moving energy. However, I did see a video demonstration >> > of a high >> > altitude test of a Caduceus Drive. In the video, the white energy >> > oozed out >> > a certain distance, then stopped and went out, while at the same >> > time the >> > 'antenna' moved in the opposite direction, then stopped. This was >> > repeated a >> > number of times, with the whole thing bouncing around in every >> > which >> > direction way up there. (Then the same old familiar General walked >> > out onto >> > the desert and looked up at it.) This is something I'm personally >> > not >> > working on, due to my belief that this kind of energy blows off >> > your >> > ectoplasm. I also have some concern along these lines regarding my >> > own test >> > circuit. In fact, I've been advised to start doing some of my >> > experiments by >> > remote control, without being physically close to the effect. I >> > think this >> > is good advice, considering some of the things I'm planning to >> > check into. >> > >> > The primary focus of my work with the puff spark is an effort to >> > understand >> > Ed Gray's system, and why no one has been able to replicate his >> > results. It >> > may be that his published circuit is a decoy. >> > >> > By the way, your math looks straight forward to me. >> > >> > All the best, >> > >> > Jerry Volland >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: exan_@hotmail.com >> > > Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:32:07 +0200 >> > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> > > Subject: Re: [FG]: >> > > >> > > Hello Jerry, >> > > >> > > well, the visual effect might be the simplest thing to explain. >> > Light> emission occurs if atoms were previously brought into a >> > higher energetic >> > > state(for example, caused by a strong em field in vicinity). The >> > > electrons >> > > gain energy, increase their energy niveau, are consequently >> > unstable and >> > > fall back to their standard state by releasing energy in form of >> > > electromagnetic radiation (photons = light). That is the light >> > effect you >> > > observed. Often, when really pretty strong em fields are >> > utilized, the >> > > electrons gain so much energy that they leave their atoms and become >> > > "free". >> > > This effect is called ionization. Heat increases rapidly, radiation >> > > levels >> > > are close to being hazardous, and bright light emission may be >> > seen. Such >> > > a >> > > phase of matter is reffered to as a "plasma". >> > > >> > > You cannot say for sure that the white light you see is really a >> > result> of >> > > over-unity energy generation(which would be a violation of energy >> > > conservation). As a matter of fact, the currents(and voltages, in >> > > relation) >> > > you are using are high enough to ignite a new hell on Earth. :) >> > > >> > > Please, never try to touch the white light source because your flesh >> > > would >> > > be vaporized instantly and your bones would start to glow. The >> > emission> of a >> > > white light is always a sign for very high temperatures being >> > involved in >> > > the process. >> > > >> > > But of course, you can verify your claims by using a photometer. >> > Sum up >> > > the >> > > energy you put into the device, and subtract the energy you measure >> > > getting >> > > away from the device. If it is negative, you have an over-unity >> > effect.> Such >> > > an examination is usually called a "full thermodynamical analysis". >> > > >> > > I can imagine how Chernetski's device works. As aforementioned, an >> > > electron >> > > bound to an atom has different energy states. These energy >> > states are >> > > quantized. That means, the energy you need to excite an atom >> > increases by >> > > adding constant packages. Furthermore, electrons cannot have >> > zero energy, >> > > because otherwise they would fall into the atomic nucleus. This >> > indicates> that there is a minimum energy oscillation, called the >> > zero-point energy >> > > (or >> > > the zero-point state, or ground state). Now assume, you excite a >> > hydrogen> atom to a point where its electron is between the 2s1/2 >> > and 2p1/2 energy >> > > state. Yet it does not have enough energy to complete the energy >> > state> transition. But it suddenly does, due to Heisenberg >> > Uncertainty.> >> > > E_{2p1/2} - (E_{2s1/2}+dE) = energy you put into the atom. >> > > dE = energy gain from a virtual photon flux (vacuum energy). >> > > Expectation value of Lamb shifted electron: = - >> > Ze^2/(4*pi*e_0) * >> > > <1/(r + >> > > dr )>, >> > > wheras dr is the change in orbit radius. >> > > >> > > Voila, you got energy from the "zero point field". The reason >> > why people >> > > are >> > > using plasmas, is that their average energy can be controlled >> > with a high >> > > accuracy and they consist of myriads of single atoms not >> > connected to >> > > each >> > > other. Especially it is simple to control the position of a >> > plasma by >> > > using >> > > electromagnetic containment fields created by a set of coils. >> > > >> > > I must admit that my understanding of quantum field theory and >> > quantum> electrodynamics is yet pretty low. Thus I may have done >> > some mistakes. >> > > Because if I did not, an effect called the "Lamb Shift" would >> > lead to a >> > > violation of energy conservation which is the holy grail of modern >> > > physics. >> > > Such an obvious thing may not be overseen. I must be wrong, >> > actually.> >> > > Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift >> > > >> > > What you could try to do is to create a stable plasma made of >> > hydrogen> atoms >> > > confined by coils. Then excite it carefully until it suddenly >> > gets more >> > > energy than expected (should be a sudden glow up). >> > > >> > > Have you built a device capeable of creating high frequency >> > scalar waves >> > > which one can see ? >> > > >> > > >> > > Ciao, >> > > Alexander >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Jerry Volland" >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 04:26 PM >> > > Subject: RE: [FG]: >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi, Alexander. >> > > Thanks for bringing up the dangers associated with High Voltage. >> > This is >> > > something which should be included in any discussion about such >> > > experiments. >> > > >> > > I'm unsure about the cause of the visual effect I saw. You mention >> > > plasma, >> > > but the arc itself is a simple plasma. However, the pure white >> > effect is >> > > something different and highly unusual. It may be that it >> > resulted from >> > > the >> > > interaction of the plasma with the Scalar waves. Of course, >> > there are >> > > various definitions of that word, and as many effects. For >> > instance, one >> > > usage refers to bidirectional waves. These produce interferrence >> > patterns> Tesla called stationary waves. These non moving waves >> > appear in some >> > > places >> > > inside a MW oven. These waves can be detected due to the fact >> > that they >> > > cause metal objects to spark together. In fact, I did an experiment >> > > involving a safety pin sparking to a candle flame inside the MW, >> > and with >> > > that set up part of the flame - which is ionized gas - turned >> > pure white. >> > > This is something I've always wondered about, and now I have >> > this second >> > > effect with the same brightness, but much bigger. >> > > >> > > Some Scalar effects can be detected by their effect on the >> > accuracy of a >> > > clock, or functions of an electronic circuit. Detectors are often >> > > enclosed >> > > in a Faraday Cage, to rule out EM effects. For other Scalar >> > detectors,> do a >> > > web search on Hodowanek, the Minto antenna, and the caduceus >> > coil. Some >> > > people are sensitive and can feel or even see some forms of the >> > exotic> energy. This is how understanding can be advanced. >> > > >> > > I've also thought a lot about the Chernetski effect. He claimed >> > he was >> > > extracting ZPE from a spark, by "cohering the active vacuum" to >> > produce> positron coupling. Not much information is available, but >> > he starts by >> > > saying he was able to initiate electron drift in the arc. After my >> > > experiment, I'm wondering if he used a gradient plate to do >> > this. Also, >> > > the >> > > positive nature of the signals going through my positive ion arc are >> > > consistent with the charge of positrons. (The US military is now >> > > designing a >> > > Mach 4 fighter jet powered by ZPE.) >> > > >> > > Here's the basic Chernetski article: >> > www.keelynet.com/energy/plasmafe.txt> >> > > Here's a good paper on ZPE which mentions gradients: >> > > http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPEpaper.html >> > > >> > > Here's Rick Andersen's article on Scalar waves: >> > > http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/andersen.html >> > > >> > > All of the various waves Rick discusses are different from normal >> > > 'transverse' EM. These transverse waves have a spherical >> > wavefront and >> > > the >> > > electric field keeps flipping 180 degrees with each half >> > wavelength of >> > > distance, while the magnetic flux keeps tipping 90 degrees to >> > the side, >> > > then >> > > back forwards again. (With transverse signals, sideways flux >> > corresponds> to >> > > the negative node.) Scalar waves don't necessarilly have flux, since >> > > they >> > > often involve cancellation of the electric or magnetic fields, >> > or both - >> > > stressing the time dimension in the process. At least some >> > Scalar waves >> > > are >> > > non Maxwellian, with a non spherical wavefront. This is why their >> > > magnitude >> > > doesn't drop off with the square of the distance. Scalar means >> > magnitude> without direction, while EM waves are vectorial, having >> > magnitude and >> > > direction. Scalar waves can still move (change their possition), for >> > > instance if you move your MW, but the associated charges have no >> > > direction >> > > in 3 space. >> > > >> > > I really like your idea about using a spacetime distortion field >> > to get >> > > more >> > > time to extract energy from the ZPF. This type of distortion is >> > widely> attributed to some types of Scalar waves, which is why the >> > lower> frequency >> > > waves travel much faster than light. On the other hand, waves, >> > such as >> > > with >> > > the Minto antenna, having a frequency of a few dozen kHz, travel >> > slower> than >> > > light, and the difference in arrival times can be measured, >> > relative to >> > > EM. >> > > And really high frequency exotic energy travels slow enough you >> > can see >> > > it >> > > advance. Your idea is a good explanation of why energy can be >> > extracted> from the ZPF, even though the quantum fluxuations >> > happen in such an >> > > incredibly short period of time. Keep 'em coming. >> > > >> > > Jerry >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: exan_@hotmail.com >> > >> Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:11 +0100 >> > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> > >> Subject: [FG]: >> > >> >> > >> Hello Jerry, >> > >> >> > >> I hope you do know that the currents you are experimenting with are >> > >> lethal >> > >> and powerful electrical discharges or especially plasmas formed by >> > >> strong >> > >> EM >> > >> field interactions emit fair amounts of X-ray radiation. The >> > ionized>> oxygen >> > >> atoms also recombine to pretty unhealthy ozon gas, therefore do not >> > >> forget >> > >> to get some fresh air into the room. >> > >> >> > >> The visual effect you saw, was created by electromagnetic >> > fields with a >> > >> high >> > >> field strength in a close proximity to the cables/transformer. >> > It is >> > >> simply >> > >> ionized air, called a "plasma". A plasma is quasi-neutral, but >> > due to >> > >> the >> > >> fact that electrons got enough energy to deconnect from atoms, >> > it might >> > >> be >> > >> electrically conductive for a short amount of time, yes. >> > >> >> > >> Electrons, the "charges", are in fact negatively charged and not >> > >> positively. >> > >> Their anti-particles, the positrons, carry a positive charge. >> > Virtual>> electron-positron pairs appear as a result of the >> > Heisenberg Uncertainty >> > >> relation dE*dt >= h/(4pi) and are a part of the vacuum energy >> > field,>> which >> > >> is near to zero, due to unknown reasons. Either this >> > "appearance" and >> > >> "annihilation" happen too fast for the universe to notice, or >> > there is a >> > >> negative energy field canceling the positive one, at least >> > partially.>> Thus >> > >> if you are really serious about getting real energy from the >> > ZPF, you >> > >> must >> > >> either create a spacetime distorsion field to get more time to >> > use the >> > >> energy (comparing the two frames of reference), or you must somehow >> > >> "kill" >> > >> the negative energy field, in such a way that you do not use >> > energy to >> > >> do >> > >> so. In other words, try to violate the Average Null Energy >> > Condition>> (ANEC) >> > >> of quantum vacuum. Pretty tough job. >> > >> >> > >> And all these speculations are based upon an unproven concept >> > in Quantum >> > >> Field Theory. Physicists simply to not know whether the vacuum >> > energy>> field >> > >> really exists as it is predicted or not. It might be possible >> > that the >> > >> ZPF >> > >> is a mistake, and has never existed. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> And by the way ... these "scalar waves" ... what are they >> > supposed to be >> > >> ? >> > >> How can I create them ? How can I measure/sense them ? >> > >> What is the difference between "scalar waves" and "ordinary" EM >> > waves ? >> > >> >> > >> I just ask out of curiosity. Because you guys know more about >> > that suff >> > >> than >> > >> I do. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Cheers, >> > >> Alexander >> > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> From: "Jerry Volland" >> > >> To: >> > >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 05:48 PM >> > >> Subject: [FG]: Ed Gray Test Circuit >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> I've uploaded some pictures of my Ed Gray test circuit equipment. >> > >> >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/SetUp.jpg >> > >> >> > >> By examining the picture, you can see that each component is >> > connected>> the >> > >> same way as in the circuit diagram under the picture. The two >> > >> capacitors, >> > >> including the home made one at the bottom, are each connected to >> > >> opposite >> > >> sides of the transformer. The top cap is in series with the >> > >> defibrillator >> > >> inductor on the top. The blue wire coming from the transformer >> > forms a >> > >> spark gap with the bolt on the end of the yellow diode. These >> > are two >> > >> of >> > >> the electrode circles in the diagram. The third electrode >> > circle is the >> > >> wire at the end of the dowell rod. The dowell is pulled out of the >> > >> inductor >> > >> and used as a handle to position the wire, to charge the top >> > cap against >> > >> the >> > >> diode's bolt terminal. This circuit is then broken after a few >> > seconds,>> with the dowell used immediately to touch the wire back >> > to the arc >> > >> again. >> > >> The result is the arc puffs way up for a short, on going >> > interval. If >> > >> the >> > >> top cap is only barely charged before the circuit is broken and >> > refired,>> the >> > >> main arc developes a region of opaque dark blue turbulence, >> > signifying>> the >> > >> presence of Field Energy. My feeling is that this is the effect >> > I'll>> obtain >> > >> once I add a high speed interruptor to the circuit. My belief >> > is that >> > >> this >> > >> dark blue energy is electro-optical in nature, and, if so, it >> > should be >> > >> conductive. This will allow Ed's Power Conversion Tube to act >> > as a >> > >> switching element, applying the heavy amperage from his battery >> > to the >> > >> motor - 6,000 times per second. Incidentally, when a dowell rod is >> > >> positioned at an angle through the inductor, the wood >> > experiences a >> > >> torque >> > >> impulse, aligning it with the inductor's axis when the circuit >> > is fired. >> > >> >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/gradientplate.jpg >> > >> >> > >> This picture shows my gradient plate, which is just under an >> > inch square >> > >> by >> > >> 3/8" thick. It smoked the last time I used it, but the picture >> > shows>> the >> > >> basic idea. The burn pattern seems to reveal a longitudinal >> > curl. When >> > >> this plate is placed around the first part of the transformer's >> > arc it >> > >> produces a fairly large volume of bright white energy as the >> > puff spark >> > >> is >> > >> fired. Due to the positive nature of the charges I'm combining, >> > there>> may >> > >> be some positron coherence from the ZPF. It may also be a space >> > charge>> effect. If so, I'll try cavitating it between closely >> > spaced counter >> > >> rotating discs. >> > >> >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/halfbaked.jpg >> > >> >> > >> The dowell rod's wire can be left connected to the diode's >> > spark gap >> > >> terminal, without breaking the circuit. After the cap builds up a >> > >> certain >> > >> percentage of its maximum charge, it will discharge spontaneously, >> > >> puffing >> > >> the arc. At the same time, it sends its positive charge through >> > the arc >> > >> in >> > >> the opposite direction as the positive charge from the smaller >> > cap. So, >> > >> the >> > >> arc "splits the positive". With this version of the circuit, >> > only two >> > >> discharge electrodes are needed. >> > >> >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/farfetchedgray.jpg >> > >> >> > >> This uses the same concept as my half baked idea of using both >> > sides of >> > >> the >> > >> transformer for the first and second inductors. This circuit >> > >> illustrates >> > >> the differences between Ed's published circuit and the circuit I >> > >> discovered. >> > >> >> > >> http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/Scalar.jpg >> > >> >> > >> This image shows two circuits. The input electrodes are the >> > circles on >> > >> the >> > >> outside. The circuit on the left was invented by Harvey Norris >> > and he >> > >> calls >> > >> it a Binary Resonant System (BRS). He maintains, and has >> > demonstrated,>> that >> > >> the single arc functions as a Scalar Emitter. The arc generates two >> > >> sine >> > >> waves, one going in each direction. The circuit on the right is my >> > >> circuit, >> > >> with the same orriginal connections, but drawn to resemble his, to >> > >> highlight >> > >> the differences. This circuit produces a Scalar Click, with two >> > >> positive >> > >> pulses traveling through the arc in different directions. Since >> > this is >> > >> similar to the electrostatic discharge pulse from a Van deGraaff >> > >> generator, >> > >> it's possible that these two circuits can be used in tandem to >> > mimic the >> > >> Hutchinson Effect. From a different perspective, the BRS >> > represents the >> > >> signal from the HAARP array, while the puff spark circuit >> > represents the >> > >> signal from the Woodpecker. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> When testing the circuit's set up shown in the picture, with the >> > >> transformer >> > >> switched off after charging the caps, the spark will make a slow, >> > >> fizzeling >> > >> squirt when the switch wire is touched to the normal end of the >> > diode.>> This >> > >> drawn out spark effect is caused by the current limiting action >> > of the >> > >> 100 >> > >> miliHenry defibrillator inductor. When both caps are the same >> > size (16 >> > >> mF), >> > >> this squirting will reverse directions when the wire is >> > subsequently>> touched >> > >> to the diode's other end. The charge can only be shuttled >> > between the >> > >> caps >> > >> three or four times like this before it fades out. -JV >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 26 21:51:25 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2R4pED4001351; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:51:14 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2R4pDrE001346; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:51:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:51:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:51:08 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Picture To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: LxATj8jhoSUPZE2Ggjrh-ak8-Rcuwl5bH1b5Rz_uo3En5Sq32LWTP8rapbgy MkrqWeovJN-63nxKHLR3iSJpaB0T9bijkMvwJWvVlvgCGekzAeZhGJa0I26T Pde4Z4ELtQGbJkwE-8Mqsaw@@ Resent-Message-ID: <88WdoD.A.9U.BLKCGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25606 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 268 Hi, Alexander. I'm also impressed with nitrogen lasers. You can mix the red green blue = dyes in the same beaker, then focus a picture through it and the whole = picture turns into a laser. (This is called an Image Amplifier.) This is = with the liquid dyes pumped with the UV laser. If there's turbulence in = the picture output, you can pump a barrium titanate crystal from the side = with a UV laser and it will phase conjugate the image projected onto it, = reflecting it back through the same beaker to a beam splitter which will = project a perfect, undistorted image. This even works in the case of = severe turbulence, such as if the liquid in the beaker is boiling. Phase conjugation is amazing. Such a mirror reflects incident light but = also reverses it timewise. For instance, if a flashlight beam is shown = onto the crystal from an angle off to the side, the beam will be reflected = back at the same angle it arrives at. Not only that, but the wavefront = will get smaller as it travels back to the flashlight, exactly the = opposite of the way it fanned out traveling to the mirror. So the = reflected light exactly overlaps the projected beam. Barrium titanate is = good for other effects as well, but when it comes to Scalar beams, perhaps = the second most important function is time reversal of pulse sequences. = When a series of pulses arrive at the mirror in a short enough time period = that several pulses extend into the crystal, the reflected pulse stream is = in the reverse order. The last pulse in is the first pulse out. True Scalar beams require phase conjugation. For instance, two lasers = shining head on into each other will produce a bidirectional field. = However, for this field to contain Whittaker waves, at least one harmonic = has to be included (usually the fourth). If this harmonic is on the = leading edge of one beam, it has to be on the trailing edge of the second = beam. For more efficiency - and more powerful effects - the beams can be = more complex, say 100 harmonics, still with reverse symetry. As a case in = point, using Q switching and a laser crystal the size of a pea, extremely = short pulses can be produced. The best effect occurs with a sequence of = dots and dashes in random order which is combined with its phase conjugate = replica. Phase conjugation can also be accomplished electrically with two stacks of = capacitors with varrying values in random order, with the second stack = having reverse symetry with the first. I've made use of this technique - = somewhat - to produce a visible Scalar field, using electro-optical = energy. (I'm a member of the radionics club.) When you look at the = photo, the important part is the way the energy shines through the metal = foil. This illustrates that a faraday cage is not an effective shield = against Scalar energy. However, the cage is useful when detecting Scalar = energy, since it does shield against EMI. Let me know what you think. Some people say they can't see anything. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/artifacts/artifacts.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: exan_=40hotmail.com > Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:52:59 +0200 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: >=20 > Hey Jerry, >=20 >=20 > you are welcome. It's nice to chat about such stuff. >=20 > nitrogen lasers are very cool and useful. You can use them to excite a > dye, > which will emit laser light in the visible spectrum. Red, green, blue, > depending on the dye. Use a prism to superpose the rays and you get your > white laser :) >=20 > I think, slowly but surely I am going to sound like an idiot, but I do > have > to warn the other readers and you again, that nitrogen lasers need > dangerous > currents and the light emanating from the discharges contains fair > amounts > of x-ray radiation. The laser light is, as you mentioned before, in the > UV > frequency spectrum, rendering it invisible to the human eye. Yet it is > pretty hazardous because it can cause skin cancer and severe retinal > damage. > Maybe I am just overcautios :) >=20 > A large faraday cage is cheap, actually. You need a mesh wire fence > grounded > to a mass. I assume such a thing can be bought everywhere. >=20 > Could you tell me, how to create a measurable/visible/sensible scalar > field/beam, or point me to a page explaining it ? >=20 >=20 > Ciao, > Alexander. >=20 > ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB ONLINE STORAGE - Safely store your documents, photos and = music online=21 Visit http://www.inbox.com/storage to find out more=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 28 09:27:24 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGRBM1011800; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:27:12 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2SGRAEk011786; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:27:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:27:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [198.163.53.11] X-Originating-Email: [atill_a@hotmail.com] X-Sender: atill_a@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Ati lla" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Picture Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:27:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2007 16:27:08.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE687350:01C77155] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25607 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 269

I am not Alexander.

Atilla Garay  B.Sc.M.E.
From: Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@inbox.com>
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To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Picture
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:51:08 -0800
>Hi, Alexander.
>
>I'm also impressed with nitrogen lasers. You can mix the red green blue dyes in the same beaker, then focus a picture through it and the whole picture turns into a laser. (This is called an Image Amplifier.) This is with the liquid dyes pumped with the UV laser. If there's turbulence in the picture output, you can pump a barrium titanate crystal from the side with a UV laser and it will phase conjugate the image projected onto it, reflecting it back through the same beaker to a beam splitter which will project a perfect, undistorted image. This even works in the case of severe turbulence, such as if the liquid in the beaker is boiling.
>
>Phase conjugation is amazing. Such a mirror reflects incident light but also reverses it timewise. For instance, if a flashlight beam is shown onto the crystal from an angle off to the side, the beam will be reflected back at the same angle it arrives at. Not only that, but the wavefront will get smaller as it travels back to the flashlight, exactly the opposite of the way it fanned out traveling to the mirror. So the reflected light exactly overlaps the projected beam. Barrium titanate is good for other effects as well, but when it comes to Scalar beams, perhaps the second most important function is time reversal of pulse sequences. When a series of pulses arrive at the mirror in a short enough time period that several pulses extend into the crystal, the reflected pulse stream is in the reverse order. The last pulse in is the first pulse out.
>
>True Scalar beams require phase conjugation. For instance, two lasers shining head on into each other will produce a bidirectional field. However, for this field to contain Whittaker waves, at least one harmonic has to be included (usually the fourth). If this harmonic is on the leading edge of one beam, it has to be on the trailing edge of the second beam. For more efficiency - and more powerful effects - the beams can be more complex, say 100 harmonics, still with reverse symetry. As a case in point, using Q switching and a laser crystal the size of a pea, extremely short pulses can be produced. The best effect occurs with a sequence of dots and dashes in random order which is combined with its phase conjugate replica.
>
>Phase conjugation can also be accomplished electrically with two stacks of capacitors with varrying values in random order, with the second stack having reverse symetry with the first. I've made use of this technique - somewhat - to produce a visible Scalar field, using electro-optical energy. (I'm a member of the radionics club.) When you look at the photo, the important part is the way the energy shines through the metal foil. This illustrates that a faraday cage is not an effective shield against Scalar energy. However, the cage is useful when detecting Scalar energy, since it does shield against EMI.
>
>Let me know what you think. Some people say they can't see anything.
>
>http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/artifacts/artifacts.htm
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: exan_@hotmail.com
> > Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:52:59 +0200
> > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: [FG]:
> >
> > Hey Jerry,
> >
> >
> > you are welcome. It's nice to chat about such stuff.
> >
> > nitrogen lasers are very cool and useful. You can use them to excite a
> > dye,
> > which will emit laser light in the visible spectrum. Red, green, blue,
> > depending on the dye. Use a prism to superpose the rays and you get your
> > white laser :)
> >
> > I think, slowly but surely I am going to sound like an idiot, but I do
> > have
> > to warn the other readers and you again, that nitrogen lasers need
> > dangerous
> > currents and the light emanating from the discharges contains fair
> > amounts
> > of x-ray radiation. The laser light is, as you mentioned before, in the
> > UV
> > frequency spectrum, rendering it invisible to the human eye. Yet it is
> > pretty hazardous because it can cause skin cancer and severe retinal
> > damage.
> > Maybe I am just overcautios :)
> >
> > A large faraday cage is cheap, actually. You need a mesh wire fence
> > grounded
> > to a mass. I assume such a thing can be bought everywhere.
> >
> > Could you tell me, how to create a measurable/visible/sensible scalar
> > field/beam, or point me to a page explaining it ?
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Alexander.
> >
> >
>
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Everyone Are Talking About! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 28 09:44:47 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGiUox015249; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:44:34 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l2SGiSw3015240; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:44:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:44:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.53.80] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Picture Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:46:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C77169.5A7D89F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2007 16:44:26.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[58E23930:01C77158] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25608 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 270 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C77169.5A7D89F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahm, I am Alexander. And this is a public mailing list. Everyone may = join the discussions. =20 From: Ati lla=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 06:27 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Picture I am not Alexander. Atilla Garay B.Sc.M.E. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Jerry Volland Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar Picture Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:51:08 -0800 >Hi, Alexander. > >I'm also impressed with nitrogen lasers. You can mix the red green = blue dyes in the same beaker, then focus a picture through it and the = whole picture turns into a laser. (This is called an Image Amplifier.) = This is with the liquid dyes pumped with the UV laser. If there's = turbulence in the picture output, you can pump a barrium titanate = crystal from the side with a UV laser and it will phase conjugate the = image projected onto it, reflecting it back through the same beaker to a = beam splitter which will project a perfect, undistorted image. This even = works in the case of severe turbulence, such as if the liquid in the = beaker is boiling. > >Phase conjugation is amazing. Such a mirror reflects incident light = but also reverses it timewise. For instance, if a flashlight beam is = shown onto the crystal from an angle off to the side, the beam will be = reflected back at the same angle it arrives at. Not only that, but the = wavefront will get smaller as it travels back to the flashlight, exactly = the opposite of the way it fanned out traveling to the mirror. So the = reflected light exactly overlaps the projected beam. Barrium titanate is = good for other effects as well, but when it comes to Scalar beams, = perhaps the second most important function is time reversal of pulse = sequences. When a series of pulses arrive at the mirror in a short = enough time period that several pulses extend into the crystal, the = reflected pulse stream is in the reverse order. The last pulse in is the = first pulse out. > >True Scalar beams require phase conjugation. For instance, two = lasers shining head on into each other will produce a bidirectional = field. However, for this field to contain Whittaker waves, at least one = harmonic has to be included (usually the fourth). If this harmonic is on = the leading edge of one beam, it has to be on the trailing edge of the = second beam. For more efficiency - and more powerful effects - the beams = can be more complex, say 100 harmonics, still with reverse symetry. As a = case in point, using Q switching and a laser crystal the size of a pea, = extremely short pulses can be produced. The best effect occurs with a = sequence of dots and dashes in random order which is combined with its = phase conjugate replica. > >Phase conjugation can also be accomplished electrically with two = stacks of capacitors with varrying values in random order, with the = second stack having reverse symetry with the first. I've made use of = this technique - somewhat - to produce a visible Scalar field, using = electro-optical energy. (I'm a member of the radionics club.) When you = look at the photo, the important part is the way the energy shines = through the metal foil. This illustrates that a faraday cage is not an = effective shield against Scalar energy. However, the cage is useful when = detecting Scalar energy, since it does shield against EMI. > >Let me know what you think. Some people say they can't see = anything. > >http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/artifacts/artifacts.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: exan_@hotmail.com > > Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:52:59 +0200 > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]: > > > > Hey Jerry, > > > > > > you are welcome. It's nice to chat about such stuff. > > > > nitrogen lasers are very cool and useful. You can use them to = excite a > > dye, > > which will emit laser light in the visible spectrum. Red, green, = blue, > > depending on the dye. Use a prism to superpose the rays and you = get your > > white laser :) > > > > I think, slowly but surely I am going to sound like an idiot, = but I do > > have > > to warn the other readers and you again, that nitrogen lasers = need > > dangerous > > currents and the light emanating from the discharges contains = fair > > amounts > > of x-ray radiation. The laser light is, as you mentioned before, = in the > > UV > > frequency spectrum, rendering it invisible to the human eye. Yet = it is > > pretty hazardous because it can cause skin cancer and severe = retinal > > damage. > > Maybe I am just overcautios :) > > > > A large faraday cage is cheap, actually. You need a mesh wire = fence > > grounded > > to a mass. I assume such a thing can be bought everywhere. > > > > Could you tell me, how to create a measurable/visible/sensible = scalar > > field/beam, or point me to a page explaining it ? > > > > > > Ciao, > > Alexander. > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ >GET FREE 5GB ONLINE STORAGE - Safely store your documents, photos = and music online! >Visit http://www.inbox.com/storage to find out more! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Everyone Are Talking About! ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C77169.5A7D89F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ahm,  I am Alexander.  And = this is a=20 public mailing list.  Everyone may join the = discussions.
 
 
From:=20 Ati = lla=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 = 06:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: [FG]: Scalar = Picture

I am not Alexander.

Atilla Garay  B.Sc.M.E.
From: Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@inbox.com>=
Reply-To:=20 freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To: = freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subj= ect:=20 Re: [FG]: Scalar Picture
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 = 20:51:08=20 -0800
>Hi, Alexander.
>
>I'm also impressed = with=20 nitrogen lasers. You can mix the red green blue dyes in the same = beaker,=20 then focus a picture through it and the whole picture turns into a = laser.=20 (This is called an Image Amplifier.) This is with the liquid dyes = pumped=20 with the UV laser. If there's turbulence in the picture output, you = can pump=20 a barrium titanate crystal from the side with a UV laser and it will = phase=20 conjugate the image projected onto it, reflecting it back through = the same=20 beaker to a beam splitter which will project a perfect, undistorted = image.=20 This even works in the case of severe turbulence, such as if the = liquid in=20 the beaker is boiling.
>
>Phase conjugation is amazing. = Such a=20 mirror reflects incident light but also reverses it timewise. For = instance,=20 if a flashlight beam is shown onto the crystal from an angle off to = the=20 side, the beam will be reflected back at the same angle it arrives = at. Not=20 only that, but the wavefront will get smaller as it travels back to = the=20 flashlight, exactly the opposite of the way it fanned out traveling = to the=20 mirror. So the reflected light exactly overlaps the projected beam. = Barrium=20 titanate is good for other effects as well, but when it comes to = Scalar=20 beams, perhaps the second most important function is time reversal = of pulse=20 sequences. When a series of pulses arrive at the mirror in a short = enough=20 time period that several pulses extend into the crystal, the = reflected pulse=20 stream is in the reverse order. The last pulse in is the first pulse = out.
>
>True Scalar beams require phase conjugation. For = instance, two lasers shining head on into each other will produce a=20 bidirectional field. However, for this field to contain Whittaker = waves, at=20 least one harmonic has to be included (usually the fourth). If this = harmonic=20 is on the leading edge of one beam, it has to be on the trailing = edge of the=20 second beam. For more efficiency - and more powerful effects - the = beams can=20 be more complex, say 100 harmonics, still with reverse symetry. As a = case in=20 point, using Q switching and a laser crystal the size of a pea, = extremely=20 short pulses can be produced. The best effect occurs with a sequence = of dots=20 and dashes in random order which is combined with its phase = conjugate=20 replica.
>
>Phase conjugation can also be accomplished=20 electrically with two stacks of capacitors with varrying values in = random=20 order, with the second stack having reverse symetry with the first. = I've=20 made use of this technique - somewhat - to produce a visible Scalar = field,=20 using electro-optical energy. (I'm a member of the radionics club.) = When you=20 look at the photo, the important part is the way the energy shines = through=20 the metal foil. This illustrates that a faraday cage is not an = effective=20 shield against Scalar energy. However, the cage is useful when = detecting=20 Scalar energy, since it does shield against EMI.
>
>Let = me know=20 what you think. Some people say they can't see=20 = anything.
>
>http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/artifacts/a= rtifacts.htm
>
>=20 > -----Original Message-----
> > From: = exan_@hotmail.com
>=20 > Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:52:59 +0200
> > To:=20 freenrg-l@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: [FG]:
> = >
>=20 > Hey Jerry,
> >
> >
> > you are = welcome. It's=20 nice to chat about such stuff.
> >
> > nitrogen = lasers are=20 very cool and useful. You can use them to excite a
> > = dye,
>=20 > which will emit laser light in the visible spectrum. Red, = green,=20 blue,
> > depending on the dye. Use a prism to superpose = the rays=20 and you get your
> > white laser :)
> >
> = > I=20 think, slowly but surely I am going to sound like an idiot, but I = do
>=20 > have
> > to warn the other readers and you again, that = nitrogen lasers need
> > dangerous
> > currents = and the=20 light emanating from the discharges contains fair
> >=20 amounts
> > of x-ray radiation. The laser light is, as you=20 mentioned before, in the
> > UV
> > frequency = spectrum,=20 rendering it invisible to the human eye. Yet it is
> > = pretty=20 hazardous because it can cause skin cancer and severe = retinal
> >=20 damage.
> > Maybe I am just overcautios :)
> = >
>=20 > A large faraday cage is cheap, actually. You need a mesh wire=20 fence
> > grounded
> > to a mass. I assume such a = thing=20 can be bought everywhere.
> >
> > Could you tell = me, how=20 to create a measurable/visible/sensible scalar
> > = field/beam, or=20 point me to a page explaining it ?
> >
> >
> = >=20 Ciao,
> > Alexander.
> >
>=20 = >
>
>_____________________________________________________= _______
>GET=20 FREE 5GB ONLINE STORAGE - Safely store your documents, photos and = music=20 online!
>Visit http://www.inbox.com/storage to find out=20 more!
>

Everyone Are=20 Talking About! ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C77169.5A7D89F0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 6 17:47:58 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l370lm06016947; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:47:48 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l370llT9016941; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:47:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:47:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [87.107.82.131] X-Originating-Email: [gh_azizi2000@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gh_azizi2000@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <33373005.1175169339843.JavaMail.SYSTEM@estar7> From: "ali azizi" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:17:41 +0430 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2007 00:47:42.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[59573AC0:01C778AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25609 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: RE: ali Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 271 In the name of God Hi; My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries into “the Power of Gravity” for about 30 years and I have got many good results such as making films of my researches and personal achievements. I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor and supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain more achievements. Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation. Thank you in advance Regards, Ali Azizi Asl Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343 _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 6 17:57:21 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l370v8Jf021851; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:57:08 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l370v7Jc021833; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:57:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:57:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <200704070057.l370v4aT030378@mail39.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) From: suzazza@optusnet.com.au To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:57:04 +1000 Subject: Re: [FG]: RE: ali Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25610 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 272 Please take me off your mailing/spamming list. I have no idea what the fuck your talking about. > ali azizi wrote: > > > > > In the name of God > > Hi; > My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries > into > “the Power of Gravity” for about 30 years and I have got many good > results > such as making films of my researches and personal achievements. > I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor > and > supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain > more > achievements. > Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware > > ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and > professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation. > Thank you in advance > Regards, > Ali Azizi Asl > Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343 > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 6 20:01:10 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3730qDp031471; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:00:53 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3730qRL031456; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:00:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:00:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: zNOazGQVM1nbn1vtTPHh__ko7lUcQaDbgH.zMAvHqXiIbNrFhHyE379l56VUvf8uH4P1qpf16vKxb2P9F.qls1Fi3J9.BxSFo8tyyWPo6u5DulWJFu7VxGmWDH_sxg-- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: RE: ali To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <200704070057.l370v4aT030378@mail39.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1207411229-1175914850=:30156" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <213258.30156.qm@web710.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4Y24KB.A.YrH.jlwFGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25611 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 273 --0-1207411229-1175914850=:30156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This list is set up such that you have to take yourself off. Do this by sending an email to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com, with the subject: unsubscribe. suzazza@optusnet.com.au wrote: Please take me off your mailing/spamming list. I have no idea what the fuck your talking about. > ali azizi wrote: > > > > > In the name of God > > Hi; > My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries > into > “the Power of Gravity” for about 30 years and I have got many good > results > such as making films of my researches and personal achievements. > I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor > and > supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain > more > achievements. > Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware > > ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and > professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation. > Thank you in advance > Regards, > Ali Azizi Asl > Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343 > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --0-1207411229-1175914850=:30156 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This list is set up such that you have to take yourself off.  Do this by sending an email to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com, with the subject: unsubscribe.


suzazza@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Please take me off your mailing/spamming list.

I have no idea what the fuck your talking about.



> ali azizi wrote:
>
>
>
>
> In the name of God
>
> Hi;
> My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries
> into
> “the Power of Gravity” for about 30 years and I have got many good
> results
> such as making films of my researches and personal achievements.
> I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor
> and
> supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain
> more
> achievements.
> Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware
>
> ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and
> professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation.
> Thank you in advance
> Regards,
> Ali Azizi Asl
> Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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--0-1207411229-1175914850=:30156-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 17 16:03:07 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HN2UWU030779; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:02:31 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3HN2Nfv030694; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:02:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:02:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <002001c78144$aaaa5f80$2e5d9ddc@JohnandDel> From: "John Mount" To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:03:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5bZGj.A.QfH.9HVJGB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25612 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 274 TO ALI AZIZI How about showing us a short results list of your "30 years...of power of gravity...enquiries"! Who knows, perhaps if your work is interesting enough a rep. from the "scientific community" might see it & express interest...! JEM ----- Original Message ----- From: "ali azizi" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: [FG]: RE: ali In the name of God > > Hi; > My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries into > “the Power of Gravity” for about 30 years and I have got many good results > such as making films of my researches and personal achievements. > I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor and > supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain more > achievements. > Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware > ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and > professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation. > Thank you in advance > Regards, > Ali Azizi Asl > Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343 > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 1/04/07 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 17 16:22:56 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HNMWZN028638; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:22:32 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3HNMSIl028600; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:22:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:22:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Laszlo" To: References: <002001c78144$aaaa5f80$2e5d9ddc@JohnandDel> Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:22:23 -0700 Organization: GIS Message-ID: <000501c78147$417a1750$5302a8c0@d400sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceBRaJbtARaAfkCQ0mrSlbB0gwiFgAACObQ In-Reply-To: <002001c78144$aaaa5f80$2e5d9ddc@JohnandDel> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25613 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 275 Agreed. "Technical/Professional Facilities", moral and perhaps even financial support may eventually be forthcoming - but it will take a little more 'evidence' of your progress or results to date, Ali. Not expressing doubt, necessarily, Sir, merely advising you about the way things like this usually work. There is both an informal and formal protocol about these things. Anyone can come onto the forum and claim 30 years of research, etc. Perhaps a link to some of your films, published papers, photographs, diagrams, illustrations, or any material which might validate progress over the past 30 years would be a good start. You needn't disclose technical specifics (unless already protected by patent or copyright) if you don't wish. Just a little more than an unsubstantiated claim followed by a blanket plea - it might advance your credibility and perhaps encourage more serious support... Good Luck - I'm sure many of us are, at a minimum, certainly intrigued... Laszlo -----Original Message----- From: John Mount [mailto:johndel@caliph.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:04 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Power Of Gravity TO ALI AZIZI How about showing us a short results list of your "30 years...of power of gravity...enquiries"! Who knows, perhaps if your work is interesting enough a rep. from the "scientific community" might see it & express interest...! JEM ----- Original Message ----- From: "ali azizi" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: [FG]: RE: ali In the name of God > > Hi; > My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries into > "the Power of Gravity" for about 30 years and I have got many good results > such as making films of my researches and personal achievements. > I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor and > supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain more > achievements. > Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware > ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and > professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation. > Thank you in advance > Regards, > Ali Azizi Asl > Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343 > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 1/04/07 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 17 19:07:36 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I27C51025438; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:07:12 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3I27A2d025421; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:07:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:07:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Jeff Nelson" To: , Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:07:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceBRaJbtARaAfkCQ0mrSlbB0gwiFgAACObQAAYDfKA= In-Reply-To: <000501c78147$417a1750$5302a8c0@d400sc> Disposition-Notification-To: "Jeff Nelson" X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25614 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 276 Even if any of this individual had anything "real" to offer, the fact that he's in Iran is equal to providing assistance to Adolf Hitler. Stop being sheeple and start being thinkers. -----Original Message----- From: Laszlo [mailto:GIS@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:22 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Agreed. "Technical/Professional Facilities", moral and perhaps even financial support may eventually be forthcoming - but it will take a little more 'evidence' of your progress or results to date, Ali. Not expressing doubt, necessarily, Sir, merely advising you about the way things like this usually work. There is both an informal and formal protocol about these things. Anyone can come onto the forum and claim 30 years of research, etc. Perhaps a link to some of your films, published papers, photographs, diagrams, illustrations, or any material which might validate progress over the past 30 years would be a good start. You needn't disclose technical specifics (unless already protected by patent or copyright) if you don't wish. Just a little more than an unsubstantiated claim followed by a blanket plea - it might advance your credibility and perhaps encourage more serious support... Good Luck - I'm sure many of us are, at a minimum, certainly intrigued... Laszlo -----Original Message----- From: John Mount [mailto:johndel@caliph.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:04 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Power Of Gravity TO ALI AZIZI How about showing us a short results list of your "30 years...of power of gravity...enquiries"! Who knows, perhaps if your work is interesting enough a rep. from the "scientific community" might see it & express interest...! JEM ----- Original Message ----- From: "ali azizi" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: [FG]: RE: ali In the name of God > > Hi; > My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries into > "the Power of Gravity" for about 30 years and I have got many good results > such as making films of my researches and personal achievements. > I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor and > supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain more > achievements. > Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware > ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and > professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation. > Thank you in advance > Regards, > Ali Azizi Asl > Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343 > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 1/04/07 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 17 19:22:32 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I2MJo1031974; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:22:19 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3I2MH4k031963; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:22:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:22:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:22:13 EDT Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1176862933" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25615 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 277 -------------------------------1176862933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/2007 8:07:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jpnel@charter.net writes: Even if any of this individual had anything "real" to offer, the fact that he's in Iran is equal to providing assistance to Adolf Hitler. Stop being sheeple and start being thinkers. At the risk of stating the obvious (to most people) the fact this individual lives in Iran has no bearing on his technical achievements or lack thereof. Nor is it reasonable to assume he supports the objectives of his government or that helping him would be helping the Iranian government, which the post seems to imply. I know for a fact there are intelligent scientists here in the US who do not support many of our government's positions. (My first and last post on this subject) Keasy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1176862933 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 4/17/2007 8:07:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jpnel@c= harter.net writes:
Even if any of this individual had anything "r= eal" to offer, the fact that
he's in Iran is equal to providing assistanc= e to Adolf Hitler.

Stop being sheeple and start being thinkers.
At the risk of stating the obvious (to most people) the fact this indiv= idual lives in Iran has no bearing on his technical achievements or lack the= reof.  Nor is it reasonable to assume he supports the objectives of his= government or that helping him would be helping the Iranian government, whi= ch the post seems to imply. 
 
 I know for a fact there are intelligent scientists here in the US= who do not support many of our government's positions.
 
(My first and last post on this subject)
 
Keasy



See what's free at AOL.com. <= /DIV> -------------------------------1176862933-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 17 19:37:11 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I2b5DT023713; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:37:05 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3I2b3KX023696; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:37:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:37:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25616 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 278 You know Iran is villified, but the truth of the matter is we're in their region killing their people and stealing their oil. We've kept the region destablized for years to keep oil prices low and sell weapons to offset our oil exports. I don't understand how anyone could expect them to feel differently about us. And this nuclear processing bit; North Korea has the bomb and missile technology, but I don't see anyone talking about a preemtive strike on North Korea. Thing is North Korea doesn't have oil in substantial quanitites, and they also don't have the microbe that Iran developed that makes the cost of extracting uranium from low grade ore to about 1% of what it would be by conventional methods; that's a bad thing for holders of high grade ore mines. The fact that hardly anyone here speaks the language makes it easy to twist anything they say into what our adminstration wants us to hear. I was really hoping when the new mellinium came around, the world would change, but no people in power want more power, people with money want more money; and they are the same people, and they care not who or what they kill or damage to obtain it. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jeff Nelson wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:07:03 -0500 > From: Jeff Nelson > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: GIS@cox.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:07:10 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Even if any of this individual had anything "real" to offer, the fact that > he's in Iran is equal to providing assistance to Adolf Hitler. > > Stop being sheeple and start being thinkers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laszlo [mailto:GIS@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:22 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > > Agreed. "Technical/Professional Facilities", moral and perhaps even > financial support may eventually be forthcoming - but it will take a little > more 'evidence' of your progress or results to date, Ali. > > Not expressing doubt, necessarily, Sir, merely advising you about the way > things like this usually work. There is both an informal and formal > protocol about these things. Anyone can come onto the forum and claim 30 > years of research, etc. > > Perhaps a link to some of your films, published papers, photographs, > diagrams, illustrations, or any material which might validate progress over > the past 30 years would be a good start. You needn't disclose technical > specifics (unless already protected by patent or copyright) if you don't > wish. > > Just a little more than an unsubstantiated claim followed by a blanket plea > - it might advance your credibility and perhaps encourage more serious > support... > > > Good Luck - I'm sure many of us are, at a minimum, certainly intrigued... > > Laszlo > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mount [mailto:johndel@caliph.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:04 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > > TO ALI AZIZI > > How about showing us a short results list of your "30 years...of power > of gravity...enquiries"! Who knows, perhaps if your work is interesting > enough a rep. from the "scientific community" might see it & express > interest...! > > JEM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ali azizi" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:47 AM > Subject: [FG]: RE: ali > > In the name of God > > > > Hi; > > My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries > into > > "the Power of Gravity" for about 30 years and I have got many good results > > such as making films of my researches and personal achievements. > > I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor and > > supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain more > > achievements. > > Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware > > ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and > > professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation. > > Thank you in advance > > Regards, > > Ali Azizi Asl > > Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 1/04/07 > > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 17 20:19:33 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I3JIfX019184; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:19:19 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3I3JHAZ019174; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:19:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:19:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Jeff Nelson" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:19:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c78168$5677c460$650fa8c0@D44J2MB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceBYpiUXmzHbUYDRpS/Z835nPYLRwAA1ywg In-Reply-To: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25617 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 279 You obviously have been duped. I never mentioned anything about the administration or North Korea. But since you did I'm sure you would support total dissarmament, and the sharing of all technology in a world united under the flag of the UN. Frankly, I don't really care how they feel about us. They villified themselves by their own behaviour. I know many people from that region that continue to pay great sums of money to get their family members out any way they can. I guess that's because it must be horrible living under such a benevolent regime. Wake up! -----Original Message----- From: Nanook [mailto:nanook@eskimo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:37 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity You know Iran is villified, but the truth of the matter is we're in their region killing their people and stealing their oil. We've kept the region destablized for years to keep oil prices low and sell weapons to offset our oil exports. I don't understand how anyone could expect them to feel differently about us. And this nuclear processing bit; North Korea has the bomb and missile technology, but I don't see anyone talking about a preemtive strike on North Korea. Thing is North Korea doesn't have oil in substantial quanitites, and they also don't have the microbe that Iran developed that makes the cost of extracting uranium from low grade ore to about 1% of what it would be by conventional methods; that's a bad thing for holders of high grade ore mines. The fact that hardly anyone here speaks the language makes it easy to twist anything they say into what our adminstration wants us to hear. I was really hoping when the new mellinium came around, the world would change, but no people in power want more power, people with money want more money; and they are the same people, and they care not who or what they kill or damage to obtain it. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ -_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jeff Nelson wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:07:03 -0500 > From: Jeff Nelson > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: GIS@cox.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:07:10 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Even if any of this individual had anything "real" to offer, the fact that > he's in Iran is equal to providing assistance to Adolf Hitler. > > Stop being sheeple and start being thinkers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laszlo [mailto:GIS@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:22 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > > Agreed. "Technical/Professional Facilities", moral and perhaps even > financial support may eventually be forthcoming - but it will take a little > more 'evidence' of your progress or results to date, Ali. > > Not expressing doubt, necessarily, Sir, merely advising you about the way > things like this usually work. There is both an informal and formal > protocol about these things. Anyone can come onto the forum and claim 30 > years of research, etc. > > Perhaps a link to some of your films, published papers, photographs, > diagrams, illustrations, or any material which might validate progress over > the past 30 years would be a good start. You needn't disclose technical > specifics (unless already protected by patent or copyright) if you don't > wish. > > Just a little more than an unsubstantiated claim followed by a blanket plea > - it might advance your credibility and perhaps encourage more serious > support... > > > Good Luck - I'm sure many of us are, at a minimum, certainly intrigued... > > Laszlo > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mount [mailto:johndel@caliph.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:04 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > > TO ALI AZIZI > > How about showing us a short results list of your "30 years...of power > of gravity...enquiries"! Who knows, perhaps if your work is interesting > enough a rep. from the "scientific community" might see it & express > interest...! > > JEM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ali azizi" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:47 AM > Subject: [FG]: RE: ali > > In the name of God > > > > Hi; > > My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries > into > > "the Power of Gravity" for about 30 years and I have got many good results > > such as making films of my researches and personal achievements. > > I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor and > > supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain more > > achievements. > > Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware > > ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and > > professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation. > > Thank you in advance > > Regards, > > Ali Azizi Asl > > Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 1/04/07 > > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 17 20:35:49 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I3ZZtV024303; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:35:35 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3I3ZXCs024291; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:35:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:35:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aXE7RtWQGee69SUKMBrpa0eb1NvF4nt1UoLgwbhf5dEr3vQmya7RZZhUQZZHyFUfQ1dHkUhxi7g1zbei78tpvM05dTrf+lB4ZC+LMYn/AIC1/qB97DgoNAieTW1uSaPVPdDyvNYXRA4g4dLOx8XSy0veyTg2A/DFcw9ejkKEZs8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e2wopPq+5TJn18WEgIh+Sp4NOBoqRAEfIInhrZP3M7+vtZIh4CzkEa78VZI7uQpV6JmsJsyviXcDTlvoHAwuQbYEKKglZzAsVerWYvO4GHIMFf8AlJ3jeT8gLKsij6I2hAtKGh5Uuh2PEDAt0OItfsFyNf8q9jMvTZB87qP6BrA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:35:29 +0800 From: Doug To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity In-Reply-To: <000301c78168$5677c460$650fa8c0@D44J2MB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000301c78168$5677c460$650fa8c0@D44J2MB1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25618 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 280 This discussion on Iran is irrelevant to this mailing list. If you wish to continue it please do so in private. regards, Douglas. On 4/18/07, Jeff Nelson wrote: > > You obviously have been duped. > I never mentioned anything about the administration or North Korea. > But since you did I'm sure you would support total dissarmament, and the > sharing of all technology in a world united under the flag of the UN. > > Frankly, I don't really care how they feel about us. They villified > themselves by their own behaviour. I know many people from that region that > continue to pay great sums of money to get their family members out any way > they can. I guess that's because it must be horrible living under such a > benevolent regime. > > Wake up! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nanook [mailto:nanook@eskimo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:37 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > > > You know Iran is villified, but the truth of the matter is we're in > their > region killing their people and stealing their oil. We've kept the region > destablized for years to keep oil prices low and sell weapons to offset our > oil > exports. > > I don't understand how anyone could expect them to feel differently > about > us. > > And this nuclear processing bit; North Korea has the bomb and missile > technology, but I don't see anyone talking about a preemtive strike on North > Korea. > > Thing is North Korea doesn't have oil in substantial quanitites, and > they > also don't have the microbe that Iran developed that makes the cost of > extracting uranium from low grade ore to about 1% of what it would be by > conventional methods; that's a bad thing for holders of high grade ore > mines. > > The fact that hardly anyone here speaks the language makes it easy to > twist anything they say into what our adminstration wants us to hear. > > I was really hoping when the new mellinium came around, the world would > change, but no people in power want more power, people with money want more > money; and they are the same people, and they care not who or what they kill > or > damage to obtain it. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ > -_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jeff Nelson wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:07:03 -0500 > > From: Jeff Nelson > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: GIS@cox.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > > Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:07:10 -0700 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > Even if any of this individual had anything "real" to offer, the fact that > > he's in Iran is equal to providing assistance to Adolf Hitler. > > > > Stop being sheeple and start being thinkers. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Laszlo [mailto:GIS@cox.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:22 PM > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > > > > Agreed. "Technical/Professional Facilities", moral and perhaps even > > financial support may eventually be forthcoming - but it will take a > little > > more 'evidence' of your progress or results to date, Ali. > > > > Not expressing doubt, necessarily, Sir, merely advising you about the way > > things like this usually work. There is both an informal and formal > > protocol about these things. Anyone can come onto the forum and claim 30 > > years of research, etc. > > > > Perhaps a link to some of your films, published papers, photographs, > > diagrams, illustrations, or any material which might validate progress > over > > the past 30 years would be a good start. You needn't disclose technical > > specifics (unless already protected by patent or copyright) if you don't > > wish. > > > > Just a little more than an unsubstantiated claim followed by a blanket > plea > > - it might advance your credibility and perhaps encourage more serious > > support... > > > > > > Good Luck - I'm sure many of us are, at a minimum, certainly intrigued... > > > > Laszlo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Mount [mailto:johndel@caliph.net.au] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:04 PM > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > > > > TO ALI AZIZI > > > > How about showing us a short results list of your "30 years...of power > > of gravity...enquiries"! Who knows, perhaps if your work is interesting > > enough a rep. from the "scientific community" might see it & express > > interest...! > > > > JEM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ali azizi" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:47 AM > > Subject: [FG]: RE: ali > > > > In the name of God > > > > > > Hi; > > > My name is Ali Azizi Asl . I am a researcher making many inquiries > > into > > > "the Power of Gravity" for about 30 years and I have got many good > results > > > such as making films of my researches and personal achievements. > > > I wish to declare that if other researches and scholars did me a favor > and > > > supported me I could be useful to scientific world so we could attain > more > > > achievements. > > > Up to now, I have done all software activities and about 70% of hardware > > > ones .In order to continue my inquires I need to use technical and > > > professional facilities supplied by the industrial nation. > > > Thank you in advance > > > Regards, > > > Ali Azizi Asl > > > Tel.: (Iran) 021-22450343 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 1/04/07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 18 02:20:14 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I9K1sj004743; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:20:05 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3I9G8JD032542; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:16:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:16:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:15:59 +1200 From: Darryl Ward Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <007f01c7819a$2e1bf7c0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25619 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 281 So what if he is in Iran. I have nothing against Iran or Iranians. This is NOT a political list. Kind regards Darryl From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 18 09:15:34 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IGF4lr030958; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:15:05 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3IGEsuV030830; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:14:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:14:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20070418152759.g4jgwxhfiy048444@www.webmail.vuurwerk.nl> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:27:59 +0200 From: stephan bleeker To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity References: <002001c78144$aaaa5f80$2e5d9ddc@JohnandDel> In-Reply-To: <002001c78144$aaaa5f80$2e5d9ddc@JohnandDel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <0n-fPD.A.chH.7PkJGB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25620 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 282 unsubscribe From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 18 09:30:21 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IGU1QD024006; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:30:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3IGRKMv022488; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:27:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:27:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OSwv8as8XI1pPWfa+fzK6ahutwM5pKvRPj5NxdIwFsnwxcdW1jHh79zshWja7u4iAFbSbjJzfvCbtKUTlxri0fN3F1gukSR5fS4AnNuR0rvrAlxooctXEvXvIJizcyCnW7ffRTTs3yRhbrp2tcgAMyU+Wl9BjgOtrQQpKDMc+mw=; X-YMail-OSG: 7wc_Bb4VM1nXvye56CFlW6UL02fHoqfIZy9XXU5NlZ7iv6fij.XOOlh4UfY19HvRImBVAGoVaRKKQbih7iaj6lwBhokcp87D1gjvML3dAVWc.YfpB3p6ROZ7q_sd6g-- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: bret cherry Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <007f01c7819a$2e1bf7c0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <387860.96320.qm@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4uXVxD.A.TfF.nbkJGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25621 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 283 The last time I checked -- This appeared to be an ALTERNATIVE SCIENCE listserv focused on ALT ENERGY SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY. If someone says they've come upon something groundbreaking, whether they're mistakened or not, maybe one should talk about what they've found. I know it's sounds crazy, but let's keep science safe from ideology the best we can ok? Perhaps you could clarify what you've discovered Ali and let's go from there. First off, what are your inputs and outputs? How much energy are you putting into this system and how much are you getting out of it, based on your technical measurements? Could you describe your apparatus in detail? I think the simple questions work best in these situations gentlemen. --- Darryl Ward wrote: > So what if he is in Iran. > > I have nothing against Iran or Iranians. > > This is NOT a political list. > > Kind regards > > Darryl > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 18 09:31:45 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IGVC16011619; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:31:13 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3IGVA8w011592; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:31:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:31:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Laszlo" To: References: <007f01c7819a$2e1bf7c0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:52:17 -0700 Organization: GIS Message-ID: <001e01c781c9$29355880$5302a8c0@d400sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: AceBmt5tKTXaXjpfSVyRcDoliqG1BAALZj4g In-Reply-To: <007f01c7819a$2e1bf7c0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25622 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 284 Yes, you are correct - this is NOT a political list. I am, however, interested in Mr. Ali's purported gravity research. My comments were directed specifically to his adding a measure of validity and credibility (and potentially support) to the request for "facilities", et al. It has nothing to do with the nationality behind the man - only with the science behind his claims. I'd still like to see some of the "30 years of research" he mentioned... Thanks, all... Laszlo -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Ward [mailto:taliesin@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:16 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity So what if he is in Iran. I have nothing against Iran or Iranians. This is NOT a political list. Kind regards Darryl From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 18 12:02:10 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJ1vPk009297; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:01:58 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3IJ1t05009281; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:01:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:01:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:01:56 +1200 From: Darryl Ward Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <001601c781ec$092baa30$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007f01c7819a$2e1bf7c0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> <001e01c781c9$29355880$5302a8c0@d400sc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25623 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 285 So am I and I would be very interested to read about what he has done. Kind regards Darryl __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laszlo" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:52 AM Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > Yes, you are correct - this is NOT a political list. > > I am, however, interested in Mr. Ali's purported gravity research. My > comments were directed specifically to his adding a measure of validity and > credibility (and potentially support) to the request for "facilities", et > al. > > It has nothing to do with the nationality behind the man - only with the > science behind his claims. > > I'd still like to see some of the "30 years of research" he mentioned... > > Thanks, all... > > Laszlo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darryl Ward [mailto:taliesin@paradise.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:16 AM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > > So what if he is in Iran. > > I have nothing against Iran or Iranians. > > This is NOT a political list. > > Kind regards > > Darryl > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 17:20 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 18 13:30:11 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IKU34G007023; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:30:03 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3IKLjrP004295; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:21:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:21:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:21:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity In-Reply-To: <001601c781ec$092baa30$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25624 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 286 No matter how logical, sane, wacky, improbable (or whatever) some circuit seems to be, I'd still like to try to build it to see what results I get. E.g. Despite Joe Newman's temperament, I think he has something. Maybe some day I will accumulate the sufficient number of pounds of copper wire to try to make one and see what happens. Same with the design we're discussing here. Duplicatable results are what we want. It doesn't really do much good to have a one-of-a-kind unit that no one else can get to work. Zack On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Darryl Ward wrote: > So am I and I would be very interested to read about what he has done. > > Kind regards > > Darryl > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 19 07:37:52 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JEbcIE027693; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:37:39 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3JEbaKf027679; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:37:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:37:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: bilb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25625 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Tesla's Wardenclyff tower as power receiver Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 287 Nikola Tesla experimented with ion rays, using them as high voltage power lines. He termed this "radiant energy," and the basic device appears in one patent. I had an odd vision: Tesla accidentally aims his beam-generator skywards, causing the utility company generators to unexpectedly explode. Wardenclyffe was the end result: a chopped conductive vertical beam which extracts energy from the DC ionospheric capacitor and injects it back into the power grid. Not a transmitter at all. But Tesla never had a chance to mount the glass globes in the tower's main termainal which produce the vertical ion beam. For suggested experiments on this ion beam (today called the "blue jet" lightning discharge phenomenon) see: "Runaway breakdown" for creating *really* long sparks http://4hv.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?22714 Tesla's laboratory fire http://4hv.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?21082 (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty@chem.washington.edu Research Engineer billb@eskimo.com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 206-543-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 19 10:24:15 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JHNnFw016908; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:23:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3JHNkgX016893; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:23:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:23:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: JCHoPIYVM1n9qxCWLdr90NUfgHexecR3YVbiU1obOV06Yvf0vjMdOOrk9PWLFUNYeKTwYeY7VxOcQsY6ygTf.rZurzh8bk_BRuIpGMzxtTmI55BtkUAt42zl4dkIjQ-- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Tesla's Wardenclyff tower as power receiver To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1717486399-1177003425=:66294" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <955860.66294.qm@web709.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25626 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 288 --0-1717486399-1177003425=:66294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bill, That's a rather interesting thread you had going on the 4hv site. I think all of us would be interested in projecting 50m sparks. All of this reminds me of the "free air" taser they have on Star Gate SG-1. I'm wondering if there's any interest in discussing this, how it's presented as working, and my own thoughts and experiments along these lines? JV William Beaty wrote: Nikola Tesla experimented with ion rays, using them as high voltage power lines. He termed this "radiant energy," and the basic device appears in one patent. I had an odd vision: Tesla accidentally aims his beam-generator skywards, causing the utility company generators to unexpectedly explode. Wardenclyffe was the end result: a chopped conductive vertical beam which extracts energy from the DC ionospheric capacitor and injects it back into the power grid. Not a transmitter at all. But Tesla never had a chance to mount the glass globes in the tower's main termainal which produce the vertical ion beam. For suggested experiments on this ion beam (today called the "blue jet" lightning discharge phenomenon) see: "Runaway breakdown" for creating *really* long sparks http://4hv.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?22714 Tesla's laboratory fire http://4hv.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?21082 (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty@chem.washington.edu Research Engineer billb@eskimo.com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 206-543-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 --0-1717486399-1177003425=:66294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Bill,
 
That's a rather interesting thread you had going on the 4hv site.  I think all of us would be interested in projecting 50m sparks.
 
All of this reminds me of the "free air" taser they have on Star Gate SG-1.  I'm wondering if there's any interest in discussing this, how it's presented as working, and my own thoughts and experiments along these lines?
 
JV

William Beaty <bilb@eskimo.com> wrote:


Nikola Tesla experimented with ion rays, using them as high voltage power
lines. He termed this "radiant energy," and the basic device appears in
one patent.

I had an odd vision: Tesla accidentally aims his beam-generator skywards,
causing the utility company generators to unexpectedly explode.
Wardenclyffe was the end result: a chopped conductive vertical beam which
extracts energy from the DC ionospheric capacitor and injects it back into
the power grid. Not a transmitter at all. But Tesla never had a chance
to mount the glass globes in the tower's main termainal which produce the
vertical ion beam.

For suggested experiments on this ion beam (today called the "blue jet"
lightning discharge phenomenon) see:

"Runaway breakdown" for creating *really* long sparks
http://4hv.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?22714

Tesla's laboratory fire
http://4hv.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?21082



(((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) )))))))))))))))))))
William J. Beaty http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
beaty@chem.washington.edu Research Engineer
billb@eskimo.com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74
206-543-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700


--0-1717486399-1177003425=:66294-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 19 10:29:57 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JHTf4U027088; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:42 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3JHTbj2027063; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Tesla's Wardenclyff tower as power receiver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <2HiUkC.A.xmG._b6JGB@ultra7.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25627 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 289 This is an area that I find fascinating. I've read a number of accounts of aurora coming down to the ground, including one by a chemist who actually had part of his laboratory destroyed. He talked about crackling, smell of ozone. I've read tales of Eskimo's experiencing this and even people being killed by it. I've read many accounts by people living in Alaska about this phenomena, and I am inclined to believe that common wisdom that says miles of atmosphere is too much insulation for currents to ever come down to the ground, the accounts are too many and I can't think of any good alternate explanation. I'm also not of the belief that the ionsphere is "charged" by lightning storms, I think quite the reverse is true. I think it's charged by particles from the sun and charge separation that occurs owing to the different mass / charge ratios of various particles coming from the sun. I don't know if there is any scientific corrolation but here in the Pacific Northwest it seems that most lightning that we have are a few strikes, then it starts raining and it's all over. It seems that on those rare occasions were we have a storm that involves lightning striking again and again for hours, it is often shortly after a large solar event. If you could actually get an ion beam to reach all the way to the ionosphere I do think you could tap a tremendous amount of energy, but between the fact that ions are charged and thus repel each other, and the fact that there are lots of air molecules in the way to collide with, I think this would be a major technological challenge. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, William Beaty wrote: > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: William Beaty > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: Tesla's Wardenclyff tower as power receiver > Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:37:36 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > Nikola Tesla experimented with ion rays, using them as high voltage power > lines. He termed this "radiant energy," and the basic device appears in > one patent. > > I had an odd vision: Tesla accidentally aims his beam-generator skywards, > causing the utility company generators to unexpectedly explode. > Wardenclyffe was the end result: a chopped conductive vertical beam which > extracts energy from the DC ionospheric capacitor and injects it back into > the power grid. Not a transmitter at all. But Tesla never had a chance > to mount the glass globes in the tower's main termainal which produce the > vertical ion beam. > > For suggested experiments on this ion beam (today called the "blue jet" > lightning discharge phenomenon) see: > > "Runaway breakdown" for creating *really* long sparks > http://4hv.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?22714 > > Tesla's laboratory fire > http://4hv.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?21082 > > > > (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ > beaty@chem.washington.edu Research Engineer > billb@eskimo.com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 > 206-543-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 19 19:58:46 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K2wZSR000334; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:58:36 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3K2wRxR000302; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:58:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:58:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Norm Silliman" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:58:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <001601c781ec$092baa30$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> Thread-Index: AceB7C2PV2iGddOMQimLDHwERFfSVQBCmRgg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070420025824.617EB265D064@internet-mail-services.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25628 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 290 Darryl, Bill Beaty's new thread "Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower as power receiver" seems to have killed the "Power of Gravity" thread. It was running our of steam and nearly dead anyway. But there were several other people (OK, only 3 or 4) showing interest in the "POWER" of gravity. It is true, gravity is the most powerful force in nature, but we know very little about how gravity works. Since our Persian friend (who started this thread) has been silent since the first message, I will offer my 6 months of studying gravity, vs. his 30 years, (and 2 days researching the web, looking for Evidence). Take a look at: www.21stcenturyideas.com/gravity.html for a version that refutes Einstein's spacetime curvature theory. Norm Darryl Ward [mailto:taliesin@paradise.net.nz] >So am I and I would be very interested to read about what he has done. > >Kind regards From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 19 20:41:48 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K3fZG7010684; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:41:36 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3K3fYwX010655; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:41:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:41:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Laszlo" To: References: <001601c781ec$092baa30$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> <20070420025824.617EB265D064@internet-mail-services.net> Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:41:31 -0700 Organization: GIS Message-ID: <000901c782fd$c91ee390$4102a8c0@d400sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AceB7C2PV2iGddOMQimLDHwERFfSVQBCmRggAAEuVCA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20070420025824.617EB265D064@internet-mail-services.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0KMFt.A.VmC.tZDKGB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25629 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 291 Ok, I'll bite. Not sure what happened to the good fellow from Iran - scared off maybe... As anyone who has followed this topic for a while knows, there are several decent compilers of magneto/gravity-related information. One to check out periodically is: http://www.americanantigravity.com/ A few others to scan: http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseLab/2k1/EG/cellgrav.html http://yowusa.com/Archive/May2003/crabwood4/crabwood4.htm http://www.aw-verlag.ch/Leckerbissen.htm#Forward_GuidelinesToAntigravity Possible indications of ether drift? http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseLab/2k1/EG/TN.html Other electrogravitic research http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/electrograviticsystems.htm http://www.keelynet.com/interact/Arc_1_98-7_98/00001115.htm http://www.soteria.com/brown/info/answer2.htm http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/Book-ES.html http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseLab/2k1/angel/angel.html Documented references to Electrogravitic Propulsion, by NASA and the USAF: http://www.padrak.com/ine/RS_REF4.html Actual patents for MHD/antigravity propulsion systems: http://www.rexresearch.com/antigrav/antigrav.htm http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_4_7_5.html http://trs.nis.nasa.gov/archive/00000554/ http://www.bmpcoe.org/bestpractices/internal/nasam/nasam_28.html http://mhd.sal.lv/contents/1995/3/MG.31.3.10.A.html Post subject: Spin Aligned Nuclei, The Gravitomagnetic Field: http://www.ormus.ws/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15 Finally, - a good forum for listening in on chatter about anti-gravity propulsion systems can be found at on the ATS site - though the discussion often degenerates to conspiracy theories and such as opposed to real science. Entertaining at a minimum, and usually good for a morsel or two of true research, documentation, and media links, etc. Here's a sample thread or two: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread17228/pg1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=9349 Good luck all - happy reading, successful research... Laszlo GIS@cox.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Norm Silliman [mailto:silliman@mindsync.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:58 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Darryl, Bill Beaty's new thread "Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower as power receiver" seems to have killed the "Power of Gravity" thread. It was running our of steam and nearly dead anyway. But there were several other people (OK, only 3 or 4) showing interest in the "POWER" of gravity. It is true, gravity is the most powerful force in nature, but we know very little about how gravity works. Since our Persian friend (who started this thread) has been silent since the first message, I will offer my 6 months of studying gravity, vs. his 30 years, (and 2 days researching the web, looking for Evidence). Take a look at: www.21stcenturyideas.com/gravity.html for a version that refutes Einstein's spacetime curvature theory. Norm Darryl Ward [mailto:taliesin@paradise.net.nz] >So am I and I would be very interested to read about what he has done. > >Kind regards From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 20 04:22:21 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KBM88B002967; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:22:09 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3KBM6Id002950; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:22:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:22:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:22:12 +1200 From: Darryl Ward Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <007501c7833e$24bb3c90$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20070420025824.617EB265D064@internet-mail-services.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25630 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 292 Thanks Norm, I just had a quick look, and will go back for more when I am not so tired. However, you are quite right in noting that anything about Tesla seems to be enough to put any other topic in the background - and understandably so - it was primarily my interest in the work of Tesla that drew me to this community in the first place. Kind regards Darryl __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm Silliman" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity > Darryl, > > Bill Beaty's new thread "Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower > as power receiver" seems to have killed the "Power of Gravity" thread. It > was running our of steam and nearly dead anyway. > > But there were several other people (OK, only 3 or 4) showing interest in > the "POWER" of gravity. It is true, gravity is the most powerful force in > nature, but we know very little about how gravity works. > > Since our Persian friend (who started this thread) has been silent since the > first message, I will offer my 6 months of studying gravity, vs. his 30 > years, (and 2 days researching the web, looking for Evidence). > > Take a look at: > > www.21stcenturyideas.com/gravity.html > > for a version that refutes Einstein's spacetime curvature theory. > > Norm > > Darryl Ward [mailto:taliesin@paradise.net.nz] > >So am I and I would be very interested to read about what he has done. > > > >Kind regards > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.5/769 - Release Date: 19/04/2007 17:56 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 20 14:54:27 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KLsIvS020346; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:54:18 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3KLs9Ko020290; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:54:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:54:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: 9nSRAhIVM1k_Zp_E.WCL_hrGoR9QttltqggBNmFzq55A4m_SuiIVnm5evmqAwu5.Y_Zp6nIkP7iwHtFfAnQ62lZx69I4X3PwFtlsiaznODhmO3SoplI- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:54:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <20070420025824.617EB265D064@internet-mail-services.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1567828139-1177106049=:45109" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <325833.45109.qm@web714.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25631 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 293 --0-1567828139-1177106049=:45109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Norm, Gravity is actually regarded as the weakest force in the universe. Compared to gravity, electromagnetism is around 30 orders of magnitude stronger. This is one reason I've never been too excited about working with gravity. This and the fact that Einstein had an equation he himself referred to as "the inertia of energy" - E=MC^2. This equation shows that it takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce the same amount of inertia as a given amount of mass moved electromagnetically. Of course, gravity shielding is a different matter. It should be possible to lift fantastic amounts of weight simply by placing a low power field above an object, using the right kind of energy to block the "Flowing" gravity. I'm not sure if this is what was done with the pyramids and the Acropolis, for example, but I have theories about that, too. It seems to me that the 'dark energy' goes below the object. So the gravity (ether) shield would be a different kind of energy. Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV Norm Silliman wrote: Darryl, Bill Beaty's new thread "Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower as power receiver" seems to have killed the "Power of Gravity" thread. It was running our of steam and nearly dead anyway. But there were several other people (OK, only 3 or 4) showing interest in the "POWER" of gravity. It is true, gravity is the most powerful force in nature, but we know very little about how gravity works. Since our Persian friend (who started this thread) has been silent since the first message, I will offer my 6 months of studying gravity, vs. his 30 years, (and 2 days researching the web, looking for Evidence). Take a look at: www.21stcenturyideas.com/gravity.html for a version that refutes Einstein's spacetime curvature theory. Norm Darryl Ward [mailto:taliesin@paradise.net.nz] >So am I and I would be very interested to read about what he has done. > >Kind regards --0-1567828139-1177106049=:45109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Norm,
 
Gravity is actually regarded as the weakest force in the universe. Compared to gravity, electromagnetism is around 30 orders of magnitude stronger. This is one reason I've never been too excited about working with gravity. This and the fact that Einstein had an equation he himself referred to as "the inertia of energy" - E=MC^2. This equation shows that it takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce the same amount of inertia as a given amount of mass moved electromagnetically.
 
Of course, gravity shielding is a different matter. It should be possible to lift fantastic amounts of weight simply by placing a low power field above an object, using the right kind of energy to block the "Flowing" gravity. I'm not sure if this is what was done with the pyramids and the Acropolis, for example, but I have theories about that, too. It seems to me that the 'dark energy' goes below the object.  So the gravity (ether) shield would be a different kind of energy.
 
Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV


Norm Silliman <silliman@mindsync.com> wrote:
Darryl,

Bill Beaty's new thread "Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower
as power receiver" seems to have killed the "Power of Gravity" thread. It
was running our of steam and nearly dead anyway.

But there were several other people (OK, only 3 or 4) showing interest in
the "POWER" of gravity. It is true, gravity is the most powerful force in
nature, but we know very little about how gravity works.

Since our Persian friend (who started this thread) has been silent since the
first message, I will offer my 6 months of studying gravity, vs. his 30
years, (and 2 days researching the web, looking for Evidence).

Take a look at:

www.21stcenturyideas.com/gravity.html

for a version that refutes Einstein's spacetime curvature theory.

Norm

Darryl Ward [mailto:taliesin@paradise.net.nz]
>So am I and I would be very interested to read about what he has done.
>
>Kind regards



--0-1567828139-1177106049=:45109-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 20 19:53:33 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3L2rLoQ031220; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:53:21 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3L2rJwF031208; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:53:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:53:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: soH9wQoVM1kF9DFiatCG7SNdvtEMVEUbxAAAslZZ_lNdESQp1PLwHwCErYR9jPaptTcB3HFxuANWss09XdhYHf7vIuQxbmzISRpDCGTbQAsh07iBeamUi7SDQA2H4w-- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <325833.45109.qm@web714.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-493456512-1177123998=:78208" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <756031.78208.qm@web703.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25632 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 294 --0-493456512-1177123998=:78208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*. I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy. Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object. -JV http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/shield.jpg Jerry Volland wrote: Norm, Gravity is actually regarded as the weakest force in the universe. Compared to gravity, electromagnetism is around 30 orders of magnitude stronger. This is one reason I've never been too excited about working with gravity. This and the fact that Einstein had an equation he himself referred to as "the inertia of energy" - E=MC^2. This equation shows that it takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce the same amount of inertia as a given amount of mass moved electromagnetically. Of course, gravity shielding is a different matter. It should be possible to lift fantastic amounts of weight simply by placing a low power field above an object, using the right kind of energy to block the "Flowing" gravity. I'm not sure if this is what was done with the pyramids and the Acropolis, for example, but I have theories about that, too. It seems to me that the 'dark energy' goes below the object. So the gravity (ether) shield would be a different kind of energy. Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV Norm Silliman wrote: Darryl, Bill Beaty's new thread "Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower as power receiver" seems to have killed the "Power of Gravity" thread. It was running our of steam and nearly dead anyway. But there were several other people (OK, only 3 or 4) showing interest in the "POWER" of gravity. It is true, gravity is the most powerful force in nature, but we know very little about how gravity works. Since our Persian friend (who started this thread) has been silent since the first message, I will offer my 6 months of studying gravity, vs. his 30 years, (and 2 days researching the web, looking for Evidence). Take a look at: www.21stcenturyideas.com/gravity.html for a version that refutes Einstein's spacetime curvature theory. Norm Darryl Ward [mailto:taliesin@paradise.net.nz] >So am I and I would be very interested to read about what he has done. > >Kind regards --0-493456512-1177123998=:78208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*.  I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy.  Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object.  -JV
 


Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us> wrote:
Norm,
 
Gravity is actually regarded as the weakest force in the universe. Compared to gravity, electromagnetism is around 30 orders of magnitude stronger. This is one reason I've never been too excited about working with gravity. This and the fact that Einstein had an equation he himself referred to as "the inertia of energy" - E=MC^2. This equation shows that it takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce the same amount of inertia as a given amount of mass moved electromagnetically.
 
Of course, gravity shielding is a different matter. It should be possible to lift fantastic amounts of weight simply by placing a low power field above an object, using the right kind of energy to block the "Flowing" gravity. I'm not sure if this is what was done with the pyramids and the Acropolis, for example, but I have theories about that, too. It seems to me that the 'dark energy' goes below the object.  So the gravity (ether) shield would be a different kind of energy.
 
Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV


Norm Silliman <silliman@mindsync.com> wrote:
Darryl,

Bill Beaty's new thread "Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower
as power receiver" seems to have killed the "Power of Gravity" thread. It
was running our of steam and nearly dead anyway.

But there were several other people (OK, only 3 or 4) showing interest in
the "POWER" of gravity. It is true, gravity is the most powerful force in
nature, but we know very little about how gravity works.

Since our Persian friend (who started this thread) has been silent since the
first message, I will offer my 6 months of studying gravity, vs. his 30
years, (and 2 days researching the web, looking for Evidence).

Take a look at:

www.21stcenturyideas.com/gravity.html

for a version that refutes Einstein's spacetime curvature theory.

Norm

Darryl Ward [mailto:taliesin@paradise.net.nz]
>So am I and I would be very interested to read about what he has done.
>
>Kind regards




--0-493456512-1177123998=:78208-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 22 19:01:56 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3N21cbH030010; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:01:39 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3N21aFI029992; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:01:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:01:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-UNTD-OriginStamp: mkekJprLFEpuhPIFA52n25RDC858rvQtzE57WIg94Zs7hfkSbo5ZFgXLQR+o9mIp X-Originating-IP: [71.86.102.82] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:00:02 GMT To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M" Message-Id: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3884059183 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.147|webmail07.lax.untd.com|webmail07.lax.untd.com|aguyovergeorgia@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25633 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 295 ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Well this will be my first post I offer this idea for those who are will= ing to try ways the save money and believe in the power of free energy .= Well i should start off by saying that this really isn't free energy bu= t an energy supplement. Basically what if you hooked a hydro generator t= o your incoming water line? This way every time you take a shower or flu= sh the toilet you generate energy i have thought this out in great detai= l but before i go ranting and raving about it tell me what you think. ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Well this will be my first post I offer this idea for those who= are willing to try ways the save money and believe in the power of free= energy . Well i should start off by saying that this really isn't free = energy but an energy supplement. Basically what if you hooked a hydro ge= nerator to your incoming water line? This way every time you take a show= er or flush the toilet you generate energy i have thought this out in gr= eat detail but before i go ranting and raving about it tell me what you = think.

----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 00:34:07 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3N7Y0Jx004081; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:34:00 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3N7XwPk004068; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:33:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:33:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bAVR5+BNNSyDhhTi/jeDJSoPCP/ARN/FZrkeqijmbBoWTKqTwDO+t5agwRgHKIpTaJ3/N/k9crIPK/i0Gd0QTbyQvn64jKhNhkb8WiiGHL+qHeMFDlyeG0T8T/+djLTNW5f3X2t41iXaYy9fdLugFTqt1pmBY50jPhMaSs8vFM8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CuvseyjQt2F/ZHRq20omXpApfC0pGFnpeun99FQDN3X5RQZGEM4u5jboogdO5evRD6ZpNHBy1qOovexdnWhy/uZdLMnCYVoCZL8lOLNRL/yKpW3qqhjL+8A4y4bEjxEtGyOIbAJkDpC0DZ4Z76YYGmlxbdXd4BCyhcXF9wRMjoE= Message-ID: <7cd93ab70704230033k16dcfd21h3b0442df04f363ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:33:57 -0500 From: "ROBERT MACELVAIN" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) In-Reply-To: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25634 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 296 I think that you would create a greater practical energy savings by attaching an efficient heat exchanger to your hot-water waste drain lines. Or, again, using an efficient heat exchanger, feed a copper loop down your common sewer drain, sufficiently far to tap some of the hot-water energy that your upstream neighbors are wasting. Your idea of robbing mechanical energy from your incoming water pressure lines will leave you with annoying waits on bath tub fills, your toilet tank will seem to take forever to refill, and your lawn sprinkler will experience a greatly diminished coverage. In my view, robbing energy by reducing the pressure from incoming water service lines is about as practical as attaching a bicycle generator to your beanie propeller so that you can warm your socks while you are coasting downhill on roller skates. Slow-MotionThermonuclear.com On 4/22/07, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: > > > Well this will be my first post I offer this idea for those who are willing > to try ways the save money and believe in the power of free energy . Well i > should start off by saying that this really isn't free energy but an energy > supplement. Basically what if you hooked a hydro generator to your incoming > water line? This way every time you take a shower or flush the toilet you > generate energy i have thought this out in great detail but before i go > ranting and raving about it tell me what you think. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 00:50:08 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3N7o25G010451; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:50:02 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3N7kTaj009235; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:46:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:46:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.205.197.54] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: References: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> <7cd93ab70704230033k16dcfd21h3b0442df04f363ea@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:46:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2007 07:46:25.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EB34D20:01C7857B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25635 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 297 Also, I think you will produce small amounts of energy even for your own use. Except that, ask yourself how often that extra energy would be available. How often do you use water? If the answer is "all the time", please reconsider your acts and don't waste water. It is valuable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT MACELVAIN" To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) >I think that you would create a greater practical energy savings by > attaching an efficient heat exchanger to your hot-water waste drain > lines. Or, again, using an efficient heat exchanger, feed a copper > loop down your common sewer drain, sufficiently far to tap some of the > hot-water energy that your upstream neighbors are wasting. Your idea > of robbing mechanical energy from your incoming water pressure lines > will leave you with annoying waits on bath tub fills, your toilet tank > will seem to take forever to refill, and your lawn sprinkler will > experience a greatly diminished coverage. In my view, robbing energy > by reducing the pressure from incoming water service lines is about as > practical as attaching a bicycle generator to your beanie propeller so > that you can warm your socks while you are coasting downhill on roller > skates. Slow-MotionThermonuclear.com > > > On 4/22/07, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: >> >> >> Well this will be my first post I offer this idea for those who are >> willing >> to try ways the save money and believe in the power of free energy . Well >> i >> should start off by saying that this really isn't free energy but an >> energy >> supplement. Basically what if you hooked a hydro generator to your >> incoming >> water line? This way every time you take a shower or flush the toilet you >> generate energy i have thought this out in great detail but before i go >> ranting and raving about it tell me what you think. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 03:19:07 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NAIpj3005081; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:18:51 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3NAIngd005046; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:18:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:18:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rRlKxPofnwvgIzLlSC+5eOKxaL7L660+Nq73ZxloO6wf9Z+aenTzMpoHpHsUejza8788AmB6O+14PxOOWRPfJ7dz8kJALuHPkss1Mb8Sin+aOsKVxvxjMFVnOBixMdH6elh/RNfGTSgkowvRsyKJZ9Aj4FQtfkAc+1CM4MH3Ixs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qLbxzDU+lyKORBACZNffHG9OI0hAsLoe1w6/u0zsGX0p/TS0DxpEkLxac7PimtJMw113zrBR1aLYeOHVqkJeBZoFumOq25gNi/IJxP533paObUFDaudOEgKPVL7shxRaoeUFCLaEmhuZ/RVG++k6MYE6lgPNA+UMPAa3Dm697k0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:18:47 +0800 From: Doug To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) In-Reply-To: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25636 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 298 Since this would have certain problems associated with it, perhaps you could (if you are interested in using water flow for practical applications) consider one of: - Using an electrostatic generator coupled with a ultrasonic humidifier, generate a high voltage cloud of water vapor and see if you can make your own lightning. (would this work? If I had a humidifier I'd try it myself...) - Since any conductor moving through a magnetic field will generate a current across it, build a no-moving-parts generator using the flow of water (saline most likely) across a magnetic field to generate power. (see http://www.springerlink.com/content/2684728233221521/) - Consider constructing a solar driven turbine system similar to the solar-chimney structure, but using water. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower) - Exploit induced charge in water droplets that are used by the Kelvin water-drop generator to do... something (see http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/kelvin.shtml). There are lots of possibilities. Don't be disheartened just because your first idea might not have been practical. Keep thinking, try things. Experiment. =) cheers, Doug. On 4/23/07, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: > > > Well this will be my first post I offer this idea for those who are willing > to try ways the save money and believe in the power of free energy . Well i > should start off by saying that this really isn't free energy but an energy > supplement. Basically what if you hooked a hydro generator to your incoming > water line? This way every time you take a shower or flush the toilet you > generate energy i have thought this out in great detail but before i go > ranting and raving about it tell me what you think. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 04:42:06 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NBfn9Q026552; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:41:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3NBfkCA026528; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:41:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:41:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.167.246.24] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com In-Reply-To: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:41:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2007 11:41:45.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EB4FB60:01C7859C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25637 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 299 You would be better off creating a system to utilize the motion of "walking" and storing the resultant power in batteries as we all do plenty of that every day. The irregular water usage along with the small quantity would not offset power costs more than a few pennies a month. Should you be so lucky as to have a small creek with as little as 50 foot of fall on your property, you can supply all of your power needs with a small hydro plant with say, a Tesla turbine spinning a generator. If not familiar with Tesla's turbine, do a google search for lots of data. quote Well this will be my first post I offer this idea for those who are willing to try ways the save money and believe in the power of free energy . etc, etc. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t quit your job – Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 04:45:04 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NBionj013374; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:44:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3NBifeP013293; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:44:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:44:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: PQ3cQQIVM1lo9xuwambVS0UlRkmY.ixA1C.BoF23lULRsRPbTz.ULX85pykrezJs2UPKHfyJNg-- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1181616581-1177328680=:1261" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <395823.1261.qm@web714.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25638 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 300 --0-1181616581-1177328680=:1261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I think this could be a good idea. Here in Phoenix, the water mains are pressurised to around 120 psi and a pressure reduction valve has to be installed on the supply line. Usually to drop the pressure to 80 psi or even lower. With a hydro turbine in the line, the pressure valve could be less severe or left out all together and the outlet pressure would still be normal. "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" wrote: Well this will be my first post I offer this idea for those who are willing to try ways the save money and believe in the power of free energy . Well i should start off by saying that this really isn't free energy but an energy supplement. Basically what if you hooked a hydro generator to your incoming water line? This way every time you take a shower or flush the toilet you generate energy i have thought this out in great detail but before i go ranting and raving about it tell me what you think. --0-1181616581-1177328680=:1261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I think this could be a good idea.  Here in Phoenix, the water mains are pressurised to around 120 psi and a pressure reduction valve has to be installed on the supply line.  Usually to drop the pressure to 80 psi or even lower.  With a hydro turbine in the line, the pressure valve could be less severe or left out all together and the outlet pressure would still be normal.

"aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" <aguyovergeorgia@juno.com> wrote:
Well this will be my first post I offer this idea for those who are willing to try ways the save money and believe in the power of free energy . Well i should start off by saying that this really isn't free energy but an energy supplement. Basically what if you hooked a hydro generator to your incoming water line? This way every time you take a shower or flush the toilet you generate energy i have thought this out in great detail but before i go ranting and raving about it tell me what you think.

--0-1181616581-1177328680=:1261-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 04:52:01 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NBpk9a031329; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:51:46 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3NBpiXa031310; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:51:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:51:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.167.246.24] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com In-Reply-To: <395823.1261.qm@web714.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:51:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2007 11:51:42.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2720340:01C7859D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25639 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 301 You would offset any savings buying laxatives to keep the water flowing. Lol! Quote; Well, I think this could be a good idea. Here in Phoenix, the water mains are pressurised to around 120 psi and a pressure reduction valve has to be installed on the supply line. etc,etc. _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 06:01:28 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ND18kv011124; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:01:08 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3ND17IF011106; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:01:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:01:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mcn.net; b=Q5aRjbPNVgzNXDYgfwThDAp/rgBHZp6I8DRvvXDzEBSfhjCJlHZKeGVFzRZiHdCv; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <22050480.1177333265978.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:01:05 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: larrycanada@mcn.net Reply-To: larrycanada@mcn.net To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 5b4123c70e52e9bed706209db9e09685e760aeb5eac069b424c4d0c8b23132c1b6ff52d3c4b68f64350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25640 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 302 I think th= at Jerry Voland has the right ideas.  We need to consider the merits o= f your suggestion, not give you alternatives.  You posed a good though= t and Jerry is right in that some localities have excess water pressure.&nb= sp; It is not necessary that the unit run full time.  Any energy deriv= ed is useful energy even if so little as to only charge batteries for night= lighting.  Quick math will tell you if it is practical for a single-f= amily residence.  When you consider commercial buildings the picture w= ould change considerably.  The average tap wide open pours 5 gallons p= er minute.  If you use 4000 gallons per month divided by 5 the generat= or will only run 800 minutes or 13.3 hours.  We can get an idea of wha= t power we will receive with a low output generator.  Nothing wrong wi= th the idea.  All ideas are good, some better than others.
Larry
From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 09:01:33 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NG1Bxn000989; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:01:12 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3NG19Mx000967; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:01:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:01:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Laszlo" To: References: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> Subject: RE: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:01:03 -0700 Organization: GIS Message-ID: <001501c785c0$9851c820$4102a8c0@d400sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20070422.190039.808.2012083@webmail07.lax.untd.com> thread-index: AceFS3EbP0u3i6aDQRqRPnHxmB82BwAc9Egg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <_cV4r.A.BP.EhNLGB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25641 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 303 Although I believe your device would only provide intermittent power in small quantities, it still has merit and is worthy of further study. Multiplied by thousands or millions, the aggregate power generation would be substantial. Commercial/industrial customers may also benefit. A small generator designed to replace the common household water pressure regulator would be a logical choice. My pressure is stepped down to about 75psi +/- from a consistent psi north of 100, so a device to capture the pressure difference would amount to significant savings over a long term. One concern would be the cumulative effect if everyone did this. I'm not a water engineer, but my guess is that there would be costs borne through losses in production and distribution efficiencies that would offset somewhat the gains realized at the consumer end. Carried through, I imagine you'll also need to contend with the political/economic ramifications: e.g., arguments between/among utility providers (water/wastewater, electric), political issues (municipal governments/planning departments, public works agencies), and legal issues (insurance, liability, etc). Interesting idea though - good luck... LaszloM -----Original Message----- From: aguyovergeorgia@juno.com [mailto:aguyovergeorgia@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:00 PM To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) Well this will be my first post I offer this idea for those who are willing to try ways the save money and believe in the power of free energy . Well i should start off by saying that this really isn't free energy but an energy supplement. Basically what if you hooked a hydro generator to your incoming water line? This way every time you take a shower or flush the toilet you generate energy i have thought this out in great detail but before i go ranting and raving about it tell me what you think. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 12:03:23 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NJ32qn010180; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:03:02 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3NJ3060010166; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:03:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:03:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:02:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: larrycanada@mcn.net cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) In-Reply-To: <22050480.1177333265978.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25642 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 304 At first I thought this was silly but then I live up relatively high relative to the water tower and the system here is gravity fed. I got to thinking about the high school I went to, Nathan Hale, and friends that lived around there and the insane water pressure they had. If you turned a garden hose on with a nozzel at the end that was shut off it would burst the hose. In an area like Seattle that uses gravity feed, people down low have high pressure, people up high don't, and it would make more sense to recover that energy then waste it for the folks down low that have too much pressure. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 larrycanada@mcn.net wrote: > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:01:05 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > From: larrycanada@mcn.net > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) > Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:01:07 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > body{font-family: > Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: > #ffffff;color: black;}I think that Jerry Voland has the right ideas. We > need to consider the merits of your suggestion, not give you > alternatives. You posed a good thought and Jerry is right in that some > localities have excess water pressure. It is not necessary that the unit > run full time. Any energy derived is useful energy even if so little as > to only charge batteries for night lighting. Quick math will tell you if > it is practical for a single-family residence. When you consider > commercial buildings the picture would change considerably. The average > tap wide open pours 5 gallons per minute. If you use 4000 gallons per > month divided by 5 the generator will only run 800 minutes or 13.3 > hours. We can get an idea of what power we will receive with a low > output generator. Nothing wrong with the idea. All ideas are good, some > better than others. > Larry > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 12:04:34 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NJ4KIp010425; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:04:20 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3NJ4Goq010401; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:04:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:04:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: larrycanada@mcn.net cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) In-Reply-To: <22050480.1177333265978.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25643 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 305 And after sending the last message it got me thinking even more, I wonder if the utilities have looked at that aspect and thought about recovering some of that energy from the mains where the flow, although variable, is more consistent, and applying it to their pumping needs upstream. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 larrycanada@mcn.net wrote: > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:01:05 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > From: larrycanada@mcn.net > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Free Energy (nearly free) > Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:01:07 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > body{font-family: > Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: > #ffffff;color: black;}I think that Jerry Voland has the right ideas. We > need to consider the merits of your suggestion, not give you > alternatives. You posed a good thought and Jerry is right in that some > localities have excess water pressure. It is not necessary that the unit > run full time. Any energy derived is useful energy even if so little as > to only charge batteries for night lighting. Quick math will tell you if > it is practical for a single-family residence. When you consider > commercial buildings the picture would change considerably. The average > tap wide open pours 5 gallons per minute. If you use 4000 gallons per > month divided by 5 the generator will only run 800 minutes or 13.3 > hours. We can get an idea of what power we will receive with a low > output generator. Nothing wrong with the idea. All ideas are good, some > better than others. > Larry > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 19:58:04 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O2vpXs027800; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:57:51 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3O2vcO2027698; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:57:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:57:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-UNTD-OriginStamp: mkekJprLFEpuhPIFA52n25RDC858rvQtjTSVb6AGf6rPtOClw/uCuafK0qxStobp X-Originating-IP: [71.86.102.82] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:56:20 GMT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M" Message-Id: <20070423.195721.20443.2898009@webmail10.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:919926663 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.150|webmail10.lax.untd.com|webmail10.lax.untd.com|aguyovergeorgia@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25644 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: The never ending battery Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 306 ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain OK now that i have gotten my first post out of the way. I give you the g= reatest invention Since the cell phone The Ever-cell. Well i know you ha= ve heard this one before but i swear i have perfected it. First you take= a battery then a motor then a series of gears then a generator then the= electronics which control the flow between two other batteries then wir= es back to the start. OK before i get a ton of emails telling me how stupid this is and how an= d why it want work. Let me tell you why i think it will and why i think = you might think it wont and follow up with some practical uses. = Well i know that the leading cause of failure in perpetual energy machin= es is heat and friction. Heat i can eliminate by using simple methods li= ke air flow heat dissipating metal or using electro conductive fabrics. = Friction i can get rid of with a somewhat new invention call the air bar= ring it uses air to create a high pressure barrier between metals and pl= astics. with perfection of this method and miniaturization you can easil= y imagine using cell phones that don't need recharging or electric lawn = mowers that are cordless. Please tell me what you think and try to be co= nstructive Thank you. ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

OK now that i have gotten my first post out of the way. I give = you the greatest invention Since the cell phone The Ever-cell. Well i kn= ow you have heard this one before but i swear i have perfected it. First= you take a battery then a motor then a series of gears then a generator= then the electronics which control the flow between two other batteries= then wires back to the start.

OK before i get a ton of emails telling me how stupid this is and how= and why it want work. Let me tell you why i think it will and why i thi= nk you might think it wont and follow up with some practical uses.

Well i know that the leading cause of failure in perpetual energy mac= hines is heat and friction. Heat i can eliminate by using simple methods= like air flow heat dissipating metal or using electro conductive fabric= s. Friction i can get rid of with a somewhat new invention call the air = barring it uses air to create a high pressure barrier between metals and= plastics. with perfection of this method and miniaturization you can ea= sily imagine using cell phones that don't need recharging or electric la= wn mowers that are cordless. Please tell me what you think and try to be= constructive Thank you.

----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 20:03:09 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O336or013627; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:03:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3O334jo013607; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:03:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:03:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The never ending battery In-Reply-To: <20070423.195721.20443.2898009@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25645 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 307 If you remove all heat and friction, superconductive wires, motor, and no AC components at all so no energy is radiated away, batteries that return 100% of their charge, etc, then you have perpetual motion but no net energy gain. But in practice you can't eliminate all of those things so you can't even achieve perpetual motion that way. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:56:20 GMT > From: "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: The never ending battery > Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:57:38 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > OK now that i have gotten my first post out of the way. I give you the greatest invention Since the cell phone The Ever-cell. Well i know you have heard this one before but i swear i have perfected it. First you take a battery then a motor then a series of gears then a generator then the electronics which control the flow between two other batteries then wires back to the start. > OK before i get a ton of emails telling me how stupid this is and how and why it want work. Let me tell you why i think it will and why i think you might think it wont and follow up with some practical uses. > Well i know that the leading cause of failure in perpetual energy machines is heat and friction. Heat i can eliminate by using simple methods like air flow heat dissipating metal or using electro conductive fabrics. Friction i can get rid of with a somewhat new invention call the air barring it uses air to create a high pressure barrier between metals and plastics. with perfection of this method and miniaturization you can easily imagine using cell phones that don't need recharging or electric lawn mowers that are cordless. Please tell me what you think and try to be constructive Thank you. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 20:12:11 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O3Bx0P013248; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:11:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3O3Bvv5013236; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:11:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:11:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <462D7579.7060501@norlight.org> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:11:53 -0700 From: "Keith E. Millard" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The never ending battery References: <20070423.195721.20443.2898009@webmail10.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20070423.195721.20443.2898009@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9baoo.A.vOD.9VXLGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25646 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 308 All you have to do to convince me is to produce a working model! Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 20:39:50 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O3dUk4011708; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:39:31 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3O3dTQL011680; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:39:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:39:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-UNTD-OriginStamp: mkekJprLFEpuhPIFA52n25RDC858rvQtMXBCbZxqyM9zgP/CqHrfjVmq0t8h2w5J X-Originating-IP: [71.86.102.82] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:38:25 GMT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM" Message-Id: <20070423.203842.20443.2898382@webmail10.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3108803127 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.150|webmail10.lax.untd.com|webmail10.lax.untd.com|aguyovergeorgia@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25647 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: The car that runs on water Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 309 ----__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Well we are all looking in to biodiesel and hydrgen and even electricity= well im thinking insted of looking to the future we should look to the = past. Steam made america what it is today and to this very day it still = serves as the most reliable way to make power. well how about the steam = powered car i know its been done before all im saying is give it another= look your standarded car already has most of the compnents you need a b= attery a liquid storage tank a cooling unit a altanator all there is to= add is of course is a boiler and engine. To simplify this the new engin= e can still turn the altinator and charge the battery and using several = capsitors you can generate enough power to boil water of course you woul= d have to give it time to heat up but small price to pay for a car that = runs off of water . P.S. When you think of this car try to imagine all o= f the inavateive technology that they have put into hybrid car in essenc= e half electric half water/steam ----__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Well we are all looking in to biodiesel and hydrgen and even elect= ricity well im thinking insted of looking to the future we should look t= o the past. Steam made america what it is today and to this very day it = still serves as the most reliable way to make power. well how about the = steam powered car i know its been done before all im saying is give it a= nother look your standarded car already has most of the compnents you ne= ed a battery a liquid storage tank  a cooling unit a altanator all = there is to add is of course is a boiler and engine. To simplify this th= e new engine can still turn the altinator and charge the battery and usi= ng several capsitors you can generate enough power to boil water of cour= se you would have to give it time to heat up but small price to pay for = a car that runs off of water . P.S. When you think of this car try = to imagine all of the inavateive technology that they have put into hybr= id car in essence half electric half water/steam ----__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 20:56:20 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O3twhm024005; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:55:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3O3tvYC023986; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:55:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:55:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dcOsCHFsjBYdTs87Kgz2aoOQVeHWmnSAZtO03gZBENI+p1xwA9YCGGdpM1o3RcnV2RQTjtIyKA0TnLIiUdoklck3I63GjKwyEFctvx4Lyzk1XU/e8m86eZjq1ZYGFaukNQcrbBucUZKHBPWLg/z+/a61+Pu7MXktMQU/Qh9z+6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=G2TQEDTUxTbZAdE2u7VZdokyIuzOJmEesXJpOKqHeyNLiVsF+4nv7kvripmXM83s59c4CKEjkrFJhgpUu2J16WKXBCYzEnxpG7SRzHqEMdeVEuAdO1M2ns09+PiCPV+KLN7LeGEmDJAx3Qed9ierOzkp5on7NWZdyCUHevU3blI= Message-ID: <71d161070704232055m18d59f91te8bf91bb0ea3e09f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:55:54 -0400 From: "Alex Cuoghi" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water In-Reply-To: <20070423.203842.20443.2898382@webmail10.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_175009_9697652.1177386954905" References: <20070423.203842.20443.2898382@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25648 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 310 ------=_Part_175009_9697652.1177386954905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you are looking for a water powered car you may also like to look into Stanley Meyer's "Water Fuel Cell" Here are a couple of links to info to get you started if you are interested: http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/stan.html http://www.waterfuelcell.org/concept.html On 4/23/07, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: > > Well we are all looking in to biodiesel and hydrgen and even electricity > well im thinking insted of looking to the future we should look to the past. > Steam made america what it is today and to this very day it still serves as > the most reliable way to make power. well how about the steam powered car i > know its been done before all im saying is give it another look your > standarded car already has most of the compnents you need a battery a liquid > storage tank a cooling unit a altanator all there is to add is of course is > a boiler and engine. To simplify this the new engine can still turn the > altinator and charge the battery and using several capsitors you can > generate enough power to boil water of course you would have to give it time > to heat up but small price to pay for a car that runs off of water . P.S. > When you think of this car try to imagine all of the inavateive technology > that they have put into hybrid car in essence half electric half water/steam > -- Team 422 programmer A great mentor guides without giving the answers, teaches through discovery, demonstrates without lecturing, provides support from backstage, observes without hovering, and leads by example. __Dave Lavery ------=_Part_175009_9697652.1177386954905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you are looking for a water powered car you may also like to look into Stanley Meyer's "Water Fuel Cell"  Here are a couple of links to info to get you started if you are interested:
http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/stan.html
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/concept.html

On 4/23/07, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com <aguyovergeorgia@juno.com> wrote:
Well we are all looking in to biodiesel and hydrgen and even electricity well im thinking insted of looking to the future we should look to the past. Steam made america what it is today and to this very day it still serves as the most reliable way to make power. well how about the steam powered car i know its been done before all im saying is give it another look your standarded car already has most of the compnents you need a battery a liquid storage tank  a cooling unit a altanator all there is to add is of course is a boiler and engine. To simplify this the new engine can still turn the altinator and charge the battery and using several capsitors you can generate enough power to boil water of course you would have to give it time to heat up but small price to pay for a car that runs off of water . P.S. When you think of this car try to imagine all of the inavateive technology that they have put into hybrid car in essence half electric half water/steam



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A great mentor guides without giving the answers, teaches through discovery, demonstrates without lecturing, provides support from backstage, observes without hovering, and leads by example.  __Dave Lavery ------=_Part_175009_9697652.1177386954905-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 23 21:18:19 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O4HxgA019875; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3O4HtBe019855; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water In-Reply-To: <20070423.203842.20443.2898382@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25649 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 311 On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: > > Well we are all looking in to biodiesel and hydrgen and even electricity > well im thinking insted of looking to the future we should look to the > past. Steam made america what it is today and to this very day it still > serves as the most reliable way to make power. Steam doesn't "make power", you had to burn a fuel to get the steam. > Well how about the steam powered car i know its been done before all im > saying is give it another look your standarded car already has most of the > compnents you need a battery a liquid storage tank a cooling unit a > altanator all there is to add is of course is a boiler and engine. To > simplify this the new engine can still turn the altinator and charge the > battery and using several capsitors you can generate enough power to boil > water of course you would have to give it time to heat up but small price > to pay for a car that runs off of water . P.S. When you think of this car > try to imagine all of the inavateive technology that they have put into > hybrid car in essence half electric half water/steam Just adding more stuff in line isn't going to make more power. I will tell you though from personal experience what does though. Along the lines of steam, water injection, injecting water into the cylinder along fuel/air. I did this on a '68 Rambler, 199 six cylinder. Before water injection it was picky about fuel, knocked easy, only 8.5:1 compression but still knocked easy. Before water injection got 16/23 City/Highway. After water injection no longer picky about fuel, could put the lowest octane gas you could find and no knock. After water injection it got 23/30 City/Highway. And it had way more power as an additional plus. And the spark plugs stayed clean and unburnt, another additional plus. The theory behind water injection is that it cools the mixture and prevents knocking, but I also got way more power and fuel milage. I think the conversion of small beads of liquid water into a true vapor changed heat energy into mechanical energy that drove the pistons instead of heating the cylinder. At any rate; it definitely worked, but keeping the injector nozzle clean was a major pain in the butt. It was an Edlebrock kit which included a tank with a pump, and a little computer controller module. The controller module had a vacuum sensor and a tachometer and it used the combination of the two inputs to decide how much water to spray and the sensitivity to both was adjustable. The tank was only one gallon, but optimal performance occured at more like one gallon of water to four gallons of gas rather than one gallon of water per tank of gas (16 gallons in that car). I think it was a very good idea but an extremely poor implementation. Particularly, it lacked any water filter, bad bad bad because it didn't take much gunk in water to clog the nozzle. I used a hyperdermic needle to clean it out when it would clog. It really needs a much larger tank. Oh one other benefit, the pollution specs on the car went way down with this attachment. I don't know how it contributed to better combustion but it did, hydrocarbons were almost unmeasurable and CO levels were low. I do not understand the mechanism for this. I imagine NOx emissions were down too since the peak cylinder temperature would be lowered but had no access to equipment to measure that. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 24 00:28:19 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O7SACN032299; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:28:10 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3O7S6X5032261; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:28:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:28:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.205.197.54] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: References: <20070423.195721.20443.2898009@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:27:51 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C7865B.36868540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2007 07:28:05.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[193ADCC0:01C78642] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25650 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 312 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C7865B.36868540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as I can understand, you think that heat causes the loss of power = in a machine.=20 You are wrong. Heat IS the loss of power.=20 Electricity is transformed into heat when electrons run on wires. You = can't go away with this.=20 =20 Also you shouldn't forget that air causes friction too. The highest = pressure is, the biggest friction you have. Consider about studying "Fluid mechanics". Search for viscosity. =20 I can assure you that this is one of the first apparatus everybody in = this list has studied in theory or in practise.=20 =20 Build a working model or a mathematic model. Either way you can have = your results.=20 =20 The practical uses shouldn't bother you. If you build an over unity = device that can be miniaturized, it will be used in everything.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: aguyovergeorgia@juno.com=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:56 AM Subject: [FG]: The never ending battery OK now that i have gotten my first post out of the way. I give you the = greatest invention Since the cell phone The Ever-cell. Well i know you = have heard this one before but i swear i have perfected it. First you = take a battery then a motor then a series of gears then a generator then = the electronics which control the flow between two other batteries then = wires back to the start. OK before i get a ton of emails telling me how stupid this is and how = and why it want work. Let me tell you why i think it will and why i = think you might think it wont and follow up with some practical uses.=20 Well i know that the leading cause of failure in perpetual energy = machines is heat and friction. Heat i can eliminate by using simple = methods like air flow heat dissipating metal or using electro conductive = fabrics. Friction i can get rid of with a somewhat new invention call = the air barring it uses air to create a high pressure barrier between = metals and plastics. with perfection of this method and miniaturization = you can easily imagine using cell phones that don't need recharging or = electric lawn mowers that are cordless. Please tell me what you think = and try to be constructive Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C7865B.36868540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As far as=20 I can understand, you think that heat causes the loss of power in a = machine.=20

You are=20 wrong. Heat IS the loss of power.

Electricity=20 is transformed into heat when electrons run on wires. You can't go=20 away with this.

 

Also you=20 shouldn't forget that air causes friction too. The highest pressure is, = the=20 biggest friction you have.

Consider=20 about studying "Fluid mechanics". Search for = viscosity.

 

I can=20 assure you that this is one of the first apparatus everybody in this = list has=20 studied in theory or in practise.

 

Build a=20 working model or a mathematic model. Either way you can have your = results.=20

 

The=20 practical uses shouldn’t bother you. If you build an over unity = device that can=20 be miniaturized, it will be used in everything.

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 aguyovergeorgia@juno.com =
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 = 5:56=20 AM
Subject: [FG]: The never ending = battery

OK now that i have gotten my first post out of the way. I give you = the=20 greatest invention Since the cell phone The Ever-cell. Well i know you = have=20 heard this one before but i swear i have perfected it. First you take = a=20 battery then a motor then a series of gears then a generator then the=20 electronics which control the flow between two other batteries then = wires back=20 to the start.

OK before i get a ton of emails telling me how stupid this is and = how and=20 why it want work. Let me tell you why i think it will and why i think = you=20 might think it wont and follow up with some practical uses.

Well i know that the leading cause of failure in perpetual energy = machines=20 is heat and friction. Heat i can eliminate by using simple methods = like air=20 flow heat dissipating metal or using electro conductive fabrics. = Friction i=20 can get rid of with a somewhat new invention call the air barring it = uses air=20 to create a high pressure barrier between metals and plastics. with = perfection=20 of this method and miniaturization you can easily imagine using cell = phones=20 that don't need recharging or electric lawn mowers that are cordless. = Please=20 tell me what you think and try to be constructive Thank=20 you.

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C7865B.36868540-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 24 12:39:38 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJdNxt003805; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:39:23 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3OJdLAu003744; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:39:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:39:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <462E5CE4.8090702@norlight.org> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:39:16 -0700 From: "Keith E. Millard" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25651 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 313 Obviously, the government/military and oil/car companies are not interested in the water injection theme--too much trouble and too little profit. Who cares if it works! Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 24 14:51:39 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OLpZJf011639; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:51:35 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3OLpXos011626; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:51:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:51:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water In-Reply-To: <462E5CE4.8090702@norlight.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25652 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 314 That's the frustrating thing, it does work and works well. It would need some adjustments for normal consumers, the most significant of which would be a decent filtration system that would keep the injector(s) clean. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Keith E. Millard wrote: > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:39:16 -0700 > From: Keith E. Millard > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:39:21 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Obviously, the government/military and oil/car companies are not > interested in the water injection theme--too much trouble and too little > profit. Who cares if it works! > Keith > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 24 22:33:20 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P5WwWS013251; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:32:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3P5Wukp013227; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:32:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:32:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Norm Silliman" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:32:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C786C0.7E964A90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <756031.78208.qm@web703.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceDwHMExKnKrjeBTc6Tm3lz7qYkBgDOPLIg Message-Id: <20070425053251.9347226996D4@internet-mail-services.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25653 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 315 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C786C0.7E964A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry, From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us] >I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*. I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but >this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy. Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be Thanks for the pic. Interesting, but what is "a 4-wave-effect"? >needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object. -JV >Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect". Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html > This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C786C0.7E964A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jerry,

 

From: Jerry = Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us]
>I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*.  I've = seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but

>this one shows = the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy.  Since the = ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be

Thanks for the = pic.  Interesting, but what is “a = 4-wave-effect”?

 

>needed to block = the downwards ether flow through an object.  -JV

 

>Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial = Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=3Dpi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) equals = mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi).

 =

   = ;      Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the = Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity = “effect”.

Take a look a the page “Gyroscopic Forces” on my site and see if = this is what you had in mind.

 =

www.21stcenturyi= deas.com/gyroforces.html

www.21stcenturyi= deas.com/gyrothrust.html

 =

 =

> This was originally part of his General = Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it = was to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, = considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying = to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, called the cosmological = constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see = how it relates to this formula. -JV



 

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C786C0.7E964A90-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 24 22:52:18 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P5qCUx011077; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:52:12 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3P5q9Im011055; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:52:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:52:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.167.246.24] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com In-Reply-To: <20070425053251.9347226996D4@internet-mail-services.net> From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:52:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2007 05:52:08.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC257A40:01C786FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25654 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 316 After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question. You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean "precession"? If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is friction, is that not correct? Jerry, From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us] >I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*. I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but >this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy. Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be Thanks for the pic. Interesting, but what is "a 4-wave-effect"? >needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object. -JV >Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect". Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html > This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 24 23:17:09 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P6GqgU001593; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:16:52 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3P6Gnst001562; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:16:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:16:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <006601c78701$448cbe60$0301010a@1695C3D4B4> From: "rown" To: References: <20070425053251.9347226996D4@internet-mail-services.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:16:30 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C78765.D90C7F30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000735-2, 23/04/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25655 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 317 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C78765.D90C7F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you may find an explanation here http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Theory.htm = also we did a picture of the crop circle picture but have not noted any = thing unusual will try two together=20 and put something in between them its not exact but not to bad, if its = going to work there would be something ALR ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Norm Silliman=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Jerry, =20 From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us]=20 >I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning = gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*. I've seen a better = pattern in an ancient painting, but=20 >this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave = energy. Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an = 8-wave field would be=20 Thanks for the pic. Interesting, but what is "a 4-wave-effect"? =20 >needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object. -JV =20 >Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form = of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=3Dpi*mu*nu. My = interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) = equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). =20 Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one = (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an = antigravity "effect". Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if = this is what you had in mind. =20 www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html =20 =20 > This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but = he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small = a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, = considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now = 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the = dark >field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark = field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this = formula. -JV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C78765.D90C7F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you may find an explanation here http://magnetism.otc.co.nz= /Theory.htm =20 also we did a picture of the crop circle picture but have not noted any = thing=20 unusual will try two together
and put something in between them its not exact = but not=20 to bad, if its going to work there would be something
ALR
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Norm=20 Silliman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 = 5:32=20 PM
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of = Gravity

Jerry,

 

From: Jerry=20 Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us] =
>I've=20 uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a = spinning gravity=20 shielding antenna *as I understand it*.  I've seen a better = pattern in an=20 ancient painting, but

>this one = shows the=20 basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy.  Since = the=20 ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would = be

Thanks=20 for the pic.  Interesting, but what is =93a=20 4-wave-effect=94?

 

>needed to = block the=20 downwards ether flow through an object.  -JV

 

>Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial = Propulsion.=20 This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula = A=3Dpi*mu*nu. My=20 interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) = equals mass=20 (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi).

 

        =20 Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know = about,=20 the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity=20 =93effect=94.

Take a=20 look a the page =93Gyroscopic Forces=94 on my site and see if this = is what you=20 had in mind.

 

www.21stcenturyi= deas.com/gyroforces.html

www.21stcenturyi= deas.com/gyrothrust.html

 

 

> This was originally part of his General = Relativity=20 equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying = that it was=20 to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, = considering=20 the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' = are trying=20 to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, = called the=20 cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so = have=20 others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula.=20 -JV



 

------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C78765.D90C7F30-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 25 07:00:13 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PE05oO003069; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:00:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3PDvYFC001940; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:57:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:57:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: raaeYa4VM1ldWucTKOd9oW_35HpAxZiHSq9KaLU_.nZNrst2TbkVA.dhrrO9vuH2xIvrdXkRn2CjLhIgbflvz4XFh3Cxf7j_PUftF.6lvM70N6isC_g- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <20070425053251.9347226996D4@internet-mail-services.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1247239381-1177509453=:25688" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <887981.25688.qm@web702.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25656 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 318 --0-1247239381-1177509453=:25688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Norm. A "four wave effect" refers to some type of Field Energy, in which two electromagnetic waves interact in the same space, either from different directions or from the same direction. In this situation, the energy is 'raised' into a Scalar form consisting of two electric and two magnetic waves. Using Caduceus balls instead of the large circles in the crop circle picture allows the Scalar energy to be re-raised into a higher form of energy - an eight wave effect. The Caduceus ball normally emits a four wave, bi-phasic energy and this energy will then intercept each electrode arm of the Spinner from both directions, producing the Higher Energy which I think will block the ether flow. Your gyroscope pages are interesting. However, when I was in High School, we did the spinning stool experiment, using a bicycle wheel as a gyro. I was the skinny one (115 lbs.), so they gave me the spinning wheel while I sat on a bar stool. Holding the axel horizontally, as in the picture, the wheel immediately made me start to rotate on the stool. I don't know why this didn't happen with their test, but it may be that the radius of the gyro had something to do with it. My antigravity set-up (according to Einstein's formula) uses a split gyro. With this system, the gyroscopical mass is split into two counter rotating weights, on seperate shafts. Then when the device is tipped, the reaction forces from both weights is in the same direction. By tipping the vertical shafts back and forth, the weights' normal horizontal motion can be pulled into a semi circle. JV http://www.spaceoffice.us/splitgyro.htm Norm Silliman wrote: Jerry, From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us] >I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*. I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but >this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy. Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be Thanks for the pic. Interesting, but what is “a 4-wave-effect”? >needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object. -JV >Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity “effect”. Take a look a the page “Gyroscopic Forces” on my site and see if this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html > This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV --0-1247239381-1177509453=:25688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, Norm.
 
A "four wave effect" refers to some type of Field Energy, in which two electromagnetic waves interact in the same space, either from different directions or from the same direction.  In this situation, the energy is 'raised' into a Scalar form consisting of two electric and two magnetic waves.  Using Caduceus balls instead of the large circles in the crop circle picture allows the Scalar energy to be re-raised into a higher form of energy - an eight wave effect.  The Caduceus ball normally emits a four wave, bi-phasic energy and this energy will then intercept each electrode arm of the Spinner from both directions, producing the Higher Energy which I think will block the ether flow.
 
Your gyroscope pages are interesting.  However, when I was in High School, we did the spinning stool experiment, using a bicycle wheel as a gyro.  I was the skinny one (115 lbs.), so they gave me the spinning wheel while I sat on a bar stool.  Holding the axel horizontally, as in the picture, the wheel immediately made me start to rotate on the stool.  I don't know why this didn't happen with their test, but it may be that the radius of the gyro had something to do with it.
 
My antigravity set-up (according to Einstein's formula) uses a split gyro.  With this system, the gyroscopical mass is split into two counter rotating weights, on seperate shafts.  Then when the device is tipped, the reaction forces from both weights is in the same direction.  By tipping the vertical shafts back and forth, the weights' normal horizontal motion can be pulled into a semi circle.
 
JV


Norm Silliman <silliman@mindsync.com> wrote:
Jerry,
 
From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us]
>I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*.  I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but
>this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy.  Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be
Thanks for the pic.  Interesting, but what is “a 4-wave-effect”?
 
>needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object.  -JV
 
>Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi).
 
         Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity “effect”.
Take a look a the page “Gyroscopic Forces” on my site and see if this is what you had in mind.
 
www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html
www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html
 
 
> This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV


 

--0-1247239381-1177509453=:25688-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 25 07:18:13 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PEHhs5027799; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:44 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3PEHYAd027708; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: XBCf8WUVM1lMhZ.y4dDwrbVpQRhLXuszq5enhB8fShfz6d3fOk0EvWnqNSNQkbyJ1Wml6bJ6N7TUlcvMpba1b7s1XcbcS4zfZs5wSeOT7GZkObdsf8o- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-155996583-1177510651=:43274" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <844513.43274.qm@web708.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25657 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 319 --0-155996583-1177510651=:43274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Mitch. The cause of precession is simple enough. When the axel of the gyro is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical. One side is spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed. As soon as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to Conservation of Momentum. (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up when she pulls her arm inwards.) On the other side of the gyro, the mass is moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed. This causes the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason. Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute precession. Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity has a less direct effect. However the angular momentum produced by precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow down. JV M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question. You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean "precession"? If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is friction, is that not correct? >Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect". >Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html --0-155996583-1177510651=:43274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, Mitch.
 
The cause of precession is simple enough.  When the axel of the gyro is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical.  One side is spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed.  As soon as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to Conservation of Momentum.  (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up when she pulls her arm inwards.)  On the other side of the gyro, the mass is moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed.  This causes the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason.  Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute precession.  Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity has a less direct effect.  However the angular momentum produced by precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow down.
 
JV

M J Mitch Mitchell <badaddidude@msn.com> wrote:

After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question.
You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean
"precession"?
If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is
friction, is that not correct?


>Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I
know
about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect".

>Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is
what you had in mind.


www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html

www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html






--0-155996583-1177510651=:43274-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 25 07:30:53 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PEUOKc010016; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:30:24 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3PEUJFG009896; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:30:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:30:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: BA.mBq4VM1lT.G.zbOTF3u6ZzQscnwEyR8QfLTIST12zSrkD0pUBWU7zopZsMhQIRuHVWdUN8eYC4LfKdzD90wjRRm9sN.EgHQr7bAltraDMWiQl9elxzrJDXLr0qYpCm1ODMQ-- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:30:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <006601c78701$448cbe60$0301010a@1695C3D4B4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-475641979-1177511412=:29024" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <475855.29024.qm@web712.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25658 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 320 --0-475641979-1177511412=:29024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Rown. It's good to see that you're experimenting. However, it would seem that the pattern should be conductive? Plastic can conduct this type of energy, so maybe you could make a transparency, then cut out everything but the pattern. For a stronger effect, you might make the pattern on a printed circuit board. Also, you'll need to apply some form of bi-phasic energy for the circles to produce some effect. I've found that the light from a photo flash is bi-phasic, due to the reflector. Maybe a video cam light would work to some extent. But my opinion is that an electrical effect will probably be needed. The links on the site you gave look good. I'll go over them and see if I can find something. JV rown wrote: @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } you may find an explanation here http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Theory.htm also we did a picture of the crop circle picture but have not noted any thing unusual will try two together and put something in between them its not exact but not to bad, if its going to work there would be something ALR ----- Original Message ----- From: Norm Silliman To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Jerry, From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us] >I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*. I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but >this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy. Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be Thanks for the pic. Interesting, but what is “a 4-wave-effect”? >needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object. -JV >Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity “effect”. Take a look a the page “Gyroscopic Forces” on my site and see if this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html > This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV --0-475641979-1177511412=:29024 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, Rown.
 
It's good to see that you're experimenting.  However, it would seem that the pattern should be conductive?  Plastic can conduct this type of energy, so maybe you could make a transparency, then cut out everything but the pattern.  For a stronger effect, you might make the pattern on a printed circuit board.  Also, you'll need to apply some form of bi-phasic energy for the circles to produce some effect.  I've found that the light from a photo flash is bi-phasic, due to the reflector.  Maybe a video cam light would work to some extent.  But my opinion is that an electrical effect will probably be needed.
 
The links on the site you gave look good.  I'll go over them and see if I can find something.
 
JV

rown <rown@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
you may find an explanation here http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Theory.htm  also we did a picture of the crop circle picture but have not noted any thing unusual will try two together
and put something in between them its not exact but not to bad, if its going to work there would be something
ALR
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity

Jerry,
 
From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us]
>I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*.  I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but
>this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy.  Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be
Thanks for the pic.  Interesting, but what is “a 4-wave-effect”?
 
>needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object.  -JV
 
>Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi).
 
         Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity “effect”.
Take a look a the page “Gyroscopic Forces” on my site and see if this is what you had in mind.
 
www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html
www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html
 
 
> This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV


 

--0-475641979-1177511412=:29024-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 25 07:49:29 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PEmuQv024066; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:48:56 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3PEmqNt024030; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:48:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:48:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.167.246.24] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com In-Reply-To: <844513.43274.qm@web708.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:48:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2007 14:48:49.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[D59008D0:01C78748] Resent-Message-ID: <_szid.A.O3F.Sp2LGB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25659 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 321 Jerry, Well, I knew friction had a role in precession, but I didn't know why. Your explanation certainly beat what passed for an explanation when in Instrumentation school with the U.S. Air Force. Thanks, Mitch Seize the day, live it like it were your last. Dwell not on the past, nor fret about the future. Carry no grudges, as you get older it will seem like the weight of the world has fallen on your shoulders, and you will need the strength. Hi, Mitch. The cause of precession is simple enough. When the axel of the gyro is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical. One side is spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed. As soon as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to Conservation of Momentum. (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up when she pulls her arm inwards.) On the other side of the gyro, the mass is moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed. This causes the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason. Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute precession. Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity has a less direct effect. However the angular momentum produced by precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow down. JV _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 25 11:06:31 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PI61iW020788; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:06:02 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3PI5wYh020743; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:05:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:05:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: hPoM7tcVM1lrxwYl7B3j6TkIZLdvdxY1jNsR7sRB_sRLviW0h.qu9HnwFnFlZYlDsv6SFsZU2s.xwGUVt5YeYdBBIGNfJa2c62bvhu14AzOpcOI6qZE- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <887981.25688.qm@web702.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1211526895-1177524357=:31336" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <280917.31336.qm@web715.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25660 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 322 --0-1211526895-1177524357=:31336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's another system which better illustrates Einstein's formula. Patent #3,555,915 (www.google.com/patents) shows a device which has hinged arms at the end of spinning shafts, with these shafts in turn rotating around the center. While rotating, weights at the ends of the spinning arms which are turning in the direction of the extrinsic rotation will generate upwards centrifugal force. At the same time, weights which are spinning opposite to the direction of rotation will move slower and, due to Conservation of Momentum, these hinges will move inwards. This inwards movement will reduce the spin radius, resulting is less centrifugal force downwards. So the upwards force from the top semi circle is predominate. I've been testing this system and it seems to work. I added a large fender washer at the end of the bolt I'm using for the spinning shaft, to prevent the top hinges from moving outwards. With the short ends of two hinges mounted to the bolt, and the shoulder of the bolt, minus its head, installed in a small trim router, I can definately feel upwards impulses as I twist the router around. I can also hear clicking sounds as the lower hinges reach the horizontal and move back out. However, my test unit only works when the spin rate closely matches the twisting speed. -JV Jerry Volland wrote: Hi, Norm. A "four wave effect" refers to some type of Field Energy, in which two electromagnetic waves interact in the same space, either from different directions or from the same direction. In this situation, the energy is 'raised' into a Scalar form consisting of two electric and two magnetic waves. Using Caduceus balls instead of the large circles in the crop circle picture allows the Scalar energy to be re-raised into a higher form of energy - an eight wave effect. The Caduceus ball normally emits a four wave, bi-phasic energy and this energy will then intercept each electrode arm of the Spinner from both directions, producing the Higher Energy which I think will block the ether flow. Your gyroscope pages are interesting. However, when I was in High School, we did the spinning stool experiment, using a bicycle wheel as a gyro. I was the skinny one (115 lbs.), so they gave me the spinning wheel while I sat on a bar stool. Holding the axel horizontally, as in the picture, the wheel immediately made me start to rotate on the stool. I don't know why this didn't happen with their test, but it may be that the radius of the gyro had something to do with it. My antigravity set-up (according to Einstein's formula) uses a split gyro. With this system, the gyroscopical mass is split into two counter rotating weights, on seperate shafts. Then when the device is tipped, the reaction forces from both weights is in the same direction. By tipping the vertical shafts back and forth, the weights' normal horizontal motion can be pulled into a semi circle. JV http://www.spaceoffice.us/splitgyro.htm Norm Silliman wrote: Jerry, From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us] >I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*. I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but >this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy. Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be Thanks for the pic. Interesting, but what is “a 4-wave-effect”? >needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object. -JV >Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi). Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity “effect”. Take a look a the page “Gyroscopic Forces” on my site and see if this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html > This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV --0-1211526895-1177524357=:31336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Here's another system which better illustrates Einstein's formula. Patent #3,555,915 (www.google.com/patents) shows a device which has hinged arms at the end of spinning shafts, with these shafts in turn rotating around the center. While rotating, weights at the ends of the spinning arms which are turning in the direction of the extrinsic rotation will generate upwards centrifugal force. At the same time, weights which are spinning opposite to the direction of rotation will move slower and, due to Conservation of Momentum, these hinges will move inwards. This inwards movement will reduce the spin radius, resulting is less centrifugal force downwards. So the upwards force from the top semi circle is predominate.
 
I've been testing this system and it seems to work. I added a large fender washer at the end of the bolt I'm using for the spinning shaft, to prevent the top hinges from moving outwards. With the short ends of two hinges mounted to the bolt, and the shoulder of the bolt, minus its head, installed in a small trim router, I can definately feel upwards impulses as I twist the router around. I can also hear clicking sounds as the lower hinges reach the horizontal and move back out. However, my test unit only works when the spin rate closely matches the twisting speed. -JV


Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us> wrote:
Hi, Norm.
 
A "four wave effect" refers to some type of Field Energy, in which two electromagnetic waves interact in the same space, either from different directions or from the same direction.  In this situation, the energy is 'raised' into a Scalar form consisting of two electric and two magnetic waves.  Using Caduceus balls instead of the large circles in the crop circle picture allows the Scalar energy to be re-raised into a higher form of energy - an eight wave effect.  The Caduceus ball normally emits a four wave, bi-phasic energy and this energy will then intercept each electrode arm of the Spinner from both directions, producing the Higher Energy which I think will block the ether flow.
 
Your gyroscope pages are interesting.  However, when I was in High School, we did the spinning stool experiment, using a bicycle wheel as a gyro.  I was the skinny one (115 lbs.), so they gave me the spinning wheel while I sat on a bar stool.  Holding the axel horizontally, as in the picture, the wheel immediately made me start to rotate on the stool.  I don't know why this didn't happen with their test, but it may be that the radius of the gyro had something to do with it.
 
My antigravity set-up (according to Einstein's formula) uses a split gyro.  With this system, the gyroscopical mass is split into two counter rotating weights, on seperate shafts.  Then when the device is tipped, the reaction forces from both weights is in the same direction.  By tipping the vertical shafts back and forth, the weights' normal horizontal motion can be pulled into a semi circle.
 
JV


Norm Silliman <silliman@mindsync.com> wrote:
Jerry,
 
From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us]
>I've uploaded a picture of a crop circle which shows a spinning gravity shielding antenna *as I understand it*.  I've seen a better pattern in an ancient painting, but
>this one shows the basic system of converting 4-wave energy to 8-wave energy.  Since the ether is a 4-wave effect, it seems logical that an 8-wave field would be
Thanks for the pic.  Interesting, but what is “a 4-wave-effect”?
 
>needed to block the downwards ether flow through an object.  -JV
 
>Otherwise, I'm sticking with Inertial Propulsion. This is one form of 'antigravity', given Einstein's formula A=pi*mu*nu. My interpretation of this formula is that he was >saying antigravity (A) equals mass (mu) moving with velocity (nu) through a semi circle (pi).
 
         Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity “effect”.
Take a look a the page “Gyroscopic Forces” on my site and see if this is what you had in mind.
 
www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html
www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html
 
 
> This was originally part of his General Relativity equation, but he took it out, perhaps bowing to pressure, saying that it was to small a factor to make a difference. This >excuse seems pretty lame, considering the degree of exactness demanded from everything else. Now 'they' are trying to suppress it once again, saying it refers to the dark >field, called the cosmological constant. I've produced the dark field energy, and so have others. But I don't see how it relates to this formula. -JV


 


--0-1211526895-1177524357=:31336-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 26 03:54:52 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QAsb0I009258; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:54:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3QAsW1d009102; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:54:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:54:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.110.153.228] X-Originating-Email: [toki_29@hotmail.com] X-Sender: toki_29@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <844513.43274.qm@web708.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Kel Blackman" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:54:26 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2007 10:54:28.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[42DC2420:01C787F1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25661 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 323

Jerry Looked over your explanation of precession and it is a new one to me, that is not to degrade it, but I have not heard of it before.  It was my understanding that the cause of precession is as follows: If you were to spin a gyro in space then there would not be any precession as the forces are in a state of equilibrium. However when you spin it on earth then the axis will at some point be fixed to our planet. Because the planet is spinning and moving through space then the gryo will stay fixed in an attitude as it were in space and will precess at 15 degrees and hour, ( the rate of rotation through space fo the earth)

Kel.

From:  Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us>
Reply-To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject:  RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity
Date:  Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT)

Hi, Mitch.
  
 
  
The cause of precession is simple enough.  When the axel of the gyro is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical.  One side is spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed.  As soon as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to Conservation of Momentum.  (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up when she pulls her arm inwards.)  On the other side of the gyro, the mass is moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed.  This causes the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason.  Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute precession.  Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity has a less direct effect.  However the angular momentum produced by
precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow down.
  
 
  
JV

M J Mitch Mitchell <badaddidude@msn.com> wrote:
  

After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question.
You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean
"precession"?
If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is
friction, is that not correct?


>Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I
know
about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect".

>Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is
what you had in
mind.


www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html

www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html








1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife - Click here From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 26 05:05:37 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QC5OPf015099; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:25 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3QC5IVw015051; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: 4MF3kR8VM1nNGYg50eiHh.oXNGet1ngGyfk8eDUp.Jg.phWlgAZaRhtypzt5rbCiskz28KU2xbXeGLxIjVm_c.nmPTdiXVUWEKdKbXuXpgrBEnJqouHjFsR7GhzCYA-- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2141830612-1177589116=:47700" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <385321.47700.qm@web708.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25662 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 324 --0-2141830612-1177589116=:47700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kel, You're correct that there is no precession in space. This is also true of a gyro which is simply dropped and is in free fall. The Conservation of Momentum deals with Angular Momentum. Without one end of the shaft supported, there is no alternate rotation into which the torque forces derived from gravity can convert. A different situation arises with a gyro which is stationary, relative to the earth, but is not supported at one end. An example is a gimbles. This is the case in which there is a coupling to the free space reference frame around the planet. This coupling produces a nutation of the axis, with both ends tracing a small circle at the rate you mention, while the center point along the axis remains stationary. Precession is much faster and is different from nutation. Interestingly enough, a pendulum can also couple in this manner, with its swing angle varying over a 24 hour period, if the pendulum is long enough. Thanks for commenting on my theory. -JV Kel Blackman wrote: Jerry Looked over your explanation of precession and it is a new one to me, that is not to degrade it, but I have not heard of it before. It was my understanding that the cause of precession is as follows: If you were to spin a gyro in space then there would not be any precession as the forces are in a state of equilibrium. However when you spin it on earth then the axis will at some point be fixed to our planet. Because the planet is spinning and moving through space then the gryo will stay fixed in an attitude as it were in space and will precess at 15 degrees and hour, ( the rate of rotation through space fo the earth) Kel. --------------------------------- From: Jerry Volland Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Hi, Mitch. The cause of precession is simple enough. When the axel of the gyro is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical. One side is spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed. As soon as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to Conservation of Momentum. (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up when she pulls her arm inwards.) On the other side of the gyro, the mass is moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed. This causes the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason. Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute precession. Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity has a less direct effect. However the angular momentum produced by precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow down. JV M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question. You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean "precession"? If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is friction, is that not correct? >Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect". >Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html --------------------------------- 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife - Click here --0-2141830612-1177589116=:47700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Kel,
 
You're correct that there is no precession in space.  This is also true of a gyro which is simply dropped and is in free fall.  The Conservation of Momentum deals with Angular Momentum.  Without one end of the shaft supported, there is no alternate rotation into which the torque forces derived from gravity can convert.
 
A different situation arises with a gyro which is stationary, relative to the earth, but is not supported at one end.  An example is a gimbles.  This is the case in which there is a coupling to the free space reference frame around the planet.  This coupling produces a nutation of the axis, with both ends tracing a small circle at the rate you mention, while the center point along the axis remains stationary.  Precession is much faster and is different from nutation. 
 
Interestingly enough, a pendulum can also couple in this manner, with its swing angle varying over a 24 hour period, if the pendulum is long enough.
 
Thanks for commenting on my theory. 
 
-JV
 


Kel Blackman <toki_29@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jerry Looked over your explanation of precession and it is a new one to me, that is not to degrade it, but I have not heard of it before.  It was my understanding that the cause of precession is as follows: If you were to spin a gyro in space then there would not be any precession as the forces are in a state of equilibrium. However when you spin it on earth then the axis will at some point be fixed to our planet. Because the planet is spinning and moving through space then the gryo will stay fixed in an attitude as it were in space and will precess at 15 degrees and hour, ( the rate of rotation through space fo the earth)
Kel.

From:  Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us>
Reply-To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject:  RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity
Date:  Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT)

Hi, Mitch.
  
 
  
The cause of precession is simple enough.  When the axel of the gyro is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical.  One side is spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed.  As soon as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to Conservation of Momentum.  (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up when she pulls her arm inwards.)  On the other side of the gyro, the mass is moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed.  This causes the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason.  Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute precession.  Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity has a less direct effect.  However the angular momentum produced by
precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow down.
  
 
  
JV

M J Mitch Mitchell <badaddidude@msn.com> wrote:
  

After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question.
You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean
"precession"?
If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is
friction, is that not correct?


>Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I
know
about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect".

>Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is
what you had in
mind.


www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html

www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html








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--0-2141830612-1177589116=:47700-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 03:19:53 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RAJHhb022496; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:19:17 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RAJBRx022456; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:19:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:19:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.110.153.228] X-Originating-Email: [toki_29@hotmail.com] X-Sender: toki_29@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <385321.47700.qm@web708.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Kel Blackman" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:19:01 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2007 10:19:06.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C5D83F0:01C788B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25663 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 325 Thanks for the explanation Jerry. I have not heard of nutation before. I understand what you are saying but could you please define nutation for me as I cannot find a reference in my dictionary. Kel. From: Jerry Volland Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Kel, You're correct that there is no precession in space. This is also true of a gyro which is simply dropped and is in free fall. The Conservation of Momentum deals with Angular Momentum. Without one end of the shaft supported, there is no alternate rotation into which the torque forces derived from gravity can convert. A different situation arises with a gyro which is stationary, relative to the earth, but is not supported at one end. An example is a gimbles. This is the case in which there is a coupling to the free space reference frame around the planet. This coupling produces a nutation of the axis, with both ends tracing a small circle at the rate you mention, while the center point along the axis remains stationary. Precession is much faster and is different from nutation. Interestingly enough, a pendulum can also couple in this manner, with its swing angle varying over a 24 hour period, if the pendulum is long enough. Thanks for commenting on my theory. -JV Kel Blackman wrote: Jerry Looked over your explanation of precession and it is a new one to me, that is not to degrade it, but I have not heard of it before. It was my understanding that the cause of precession is as follows: If you were to spin a gyro in space then there would not be any precession as the forces are in a state of equilibrium. However when you spin it on earth then the axis will at some point be fixed to our planet. Because the planet is spinning and moving through space then the gryo will stay fixed in an attitude as it were in space and will precess at 15 degrees and hour, ( the rate of rotation through space fo the earth) Kel. --------------------------------- From: Jerry Volland Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Hi, Mitch. The cause of precession is simple enough. When the axel of the gyro is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical. One side is spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed. As soon as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to Conservation of Momentum. (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up when she pulls her arm inwards.) On the other side of the gyro, the mass is moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed. This causes the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason. Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute precession. Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity has a less direct effect. However the angular momentum produced by precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow down. JV M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question. You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean "precession"? If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is friction, is that not correct? >Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect". >Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html --------------------------------- 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife - Click here _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! 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Steam made america what it is today and to this very day it still > > serves as the most reliable way to make power. > > Steam doesn't "make power", you had to burn a fuel to get the steam. > > > Well how about the steam powered car i know its been done before all im > > saying is give it another look your standarded car already has most of the > > compnents you need a battery a liquid storage tank a cooling unit a > > altanator all there is to add is of course is a boiler and engine. To > > simplify this the new engine can still turn the altinator and charge the > > battery and using several capsitors you can generate enough power to boil > > water of course you would have to give it time to heat up but small price > > to pay for a car that runs off of water . P.S. When you think of this car > > try to imagine all of the inavateive technology that they have put into > > hybrid car in essence half electric half water/steam > > Just adding more stuff in line isn't going to make more power. I will > tell you though from personal experience what does though. > > Along the lines of steam, water injection, injecting water into the > cylinder along fuel/air. I did this on a '68 Rambler, 199 six cylinder. Before > water injection it was picky about fuel, knocked easy, only 8.5:1 compression > but still knocked easy. Before water injection got 16/23 City/Highway. > > After water injection no longer picky about fuel, could put the lowest > octane gas you could find and no knock. After water injection it got 23/30 > City/Highway. And it had way more power as an additional plus. And the spark > plugs stayed clean and unburnt, another additional plus. > > The theory behind water injection is that it cools the mixture and > prevents knocking, but I also got way more power and fuel milage. I think the > conversion of small beads of liquid water into a true vapor changed heat energy > into mechanical energy that drove the pistons instead of heating the cylinder. > > At any rate; it definitely worked, but keeping the injector nozzle clean > was a major pain in the butt. > > It was an Edlebrock kit which included a tank with a pump, and a little > computer controller module. The controller module had a vacuum sensor and a > tachometer and it used the combination of the two inputs to decide how much > water to spray and the sensitivity to both was adjustable. > > The tank was only one gallon, but optimal performance occured at more like > one gallon of water to four gallons of gas rather than one gallon of water per > tank of gas (16 gallons in that car). > > I think it was a very good idea but an extremely poor implementation. > Particularly, it lacked any water filter, bad bad bad because it didn't take > much gunk in water to clog the nozzle. I used a hyperdermic needle to clean it > out when it would clog. It really needs a much larger tank. > > Oh one other benefit, the pollution specs on the car went way down with > this attachment. I don't know how it contributed to better combustion but it > did, hydrocarbons were almost unmeasurable and CO levels were low. I do not > understand the mechanism for this. I imagine NOx emissions were down too since > the peak cylinder temperature would be lowered but had no access to equipment > to measure that. > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 1/04/07 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 03:52:50 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RAqXtf005980; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:52:34 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RAqVPb005945; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:52:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:52:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000301c788ba$6b1b6300$615d9ddc@JohnandDel> From: "John Mount" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: The never ending battery Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:54:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25665 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 327 "I give you the greatest invention Since the cell phone TheEver-cell.Well i know you have heard this one before but i swear i have perfected it". There are hundreds of us out here waiting with bated breath for avideo,photo or even just a sketch of your device so that it can be replicated and prove you right(or wrong) - how about it?? JEM > > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:56:20 GMT > > From: "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: [FG]: The never ending battery > > Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:57:38 -0700 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > OK now that i have gotten my first post out of the way. I give you the greatest invention Since the cell phone The Ever-cell. Well i know you have heard this one before but i swear i have perfected it. First you take a battery then a motor then a series of gears then a generator then the electronics which control the flow between two other batteries then wires back to the start. > > OK before i get a ton of emails telling me how stupid this is and how and why it want work. Let me tell you why i think it will and why i think you might think it wont and follow up with some practical uses. > > Well i know that the leading cause of failure in perpetual energy machines is heat and friction. Heat i can eliminate by using simple methods like air flow heat dissipating metal or using electro conductive fabrics. Friction i can get rid of with a somewhat new invention call the air barring it uses air to create a high pressure barrier between metals and plastics. with perfection of this method and miniaturization you can easily imagine using cell phones that don't need recharging or electric lawn mowers that are cordless. Please tell me what you think and try to be constructive Thank you. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 03:53:09 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RAqwvR006211; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:52:58 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RAquEk006192; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:52:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:52:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01c788ba$7a6e6be0$615d9ddc@JohnandDel> From: "John Mount" To: References: <280917.31336.qm@web715.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:54:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7890E.4B27DE80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25666 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 328 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7890E.4B27DE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re following quote: "While rotating, weights at the ends of the spinning arms which = are=20 turning in the direction of the extrinsic rotation will = generate=20 upwards centrifugal force".=20 If I've grasped the above correctly, it reminds me of the patented Dean = device which was all the rage here back in the 60's i.e. it supposedly converted = rotary motion into uni-directional motion... JEM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Volland=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:05 AM Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Here's another system which better illustrates Einstein's formula. = Patent #3,555,915 (www.google.com/patents) shows a device which has = hinged arms at the end of spinning shafts, with these shafts in turn = rotating around the center. While rotating, weights at the ends of the = spinning arms which are turning in the direction of the extrinsic = rotation will generate upwards centrifugal force. At the same time, = weights which are spinning opposite to the direction of rotation will = move slower and, due to Conservation of Momentum, these hinges will move = inwards. This inwards movement will reduce the spin radius, resulting is = less centrifugal force downwards. So the upwards force from the top semi = circle is predominate. I've been testing this system and it seems to work. I added a large = fender washer at the end of the bolt I'm using for the spinning shaft, = to prevent the top hinges from moving outwards. With the short ends of = two hinges mounted to the bolt, and the shoulder of the bolt, minus its = head, installed in a small trim router, I can definately feel upwards = impulses as I twist the router around. I can also hear clicking sounds = as the lower hinges reach the horizontal and move back out. However, my = test unit only works when the spin rate closely matches the twisting = speed. -JV ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7890E.4B27DE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Re following quote:
 
        "While rotating, = weights at=20 the ends of the spinning arms which are
         turning = in the=20 direction of the extrinsic rotation will generate
         upwards=20 centrifugal force".
 
If I've grasped the above correctly, it reminds me of the patented = Dean=20 device which
was all the rage here back in the 60's i.e. it supposedly converted = rotary=20 motion into
uni-directional motion...
 
JEM
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry Volland
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 = 4:05=20 AM
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of = Gravity

Here's another system which better illustrates Einstein's = formula. Patent=20 #3,555,915 (www.google.com/patents) = shows a=20 device which has hinged arms at the end of spinning shafts, with these = shafts=20 in turn rotating around the center. While rotating, weights at the = ends of the=20 spinning arms which are turning in the direction of the extrinsic = rotation=20 will generate upwards centrifugal force. At the same time, weights = which are=20 spinning opposite to the direction of rotation will move slower and, = due to=20 Conservation of Momentum, these hinges will move inwards. This inwards = movement will reduce the spin radius, resulting is less centrifugal = force=20 downwards. So the upwards force from the top semi circle is = predominate.
 
I've been testing this system and it seems to work. I added a = large=20 fender washer at the end of the bolt I'm using for the spinning shaft, = to=20 prevent the top hinges from moving outwards. With the short ends = of two=20 hinges mounted to the bolt, and the shoulder of the bolt, minus its = head,=20 installed in a small trim router, I can definately feel upwards = impulses as I=20 twist the router around. I can also hear clicking sounds as the lower = hinges=20 reach the horizontal and move back out. However, my test unit only = works when=20 the spin rate closely matches the twisting speed.=20 -JV


------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7890E.4B27DE80-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 04:50:12 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RBo2rl031654; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:50:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RBeIvj028096; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:40:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:40:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: 4NG0d4MVM1nSRQayQogL3579q2m5cJAQveB3isQHIPKeM9gzq8tfyiWde7mI7s_57w-- Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1155193298-1177674016=:29738" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <700450.29738.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25667 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 329 --0-1155193298-1177674016=:29738 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kel, Nutation is a wobbling of an axis, with a phase variance of 180 degrees from one end to the other. The best way to visualize the effect, as it appears in a Sidewinder Missile, is to hold a pencil in the middle, then move one end in a small circle. This will also cause the other end to move in a circle. The earth, acting as a gyroscope, also experiences this effect, due to a coupling with the reference frame associated with the star Polaris. In this case, it takes more than 20,000 years for the axis to trace a complete circle. Likewise, the axis of a free spinning gyroscope will appear to trace a circle, top and bottom, once every 24 hours, relative to the earth, as the earth rotates. According to Wikipedia, nutation and precession are somewhat blurred together, depending on the situation. This type of nutation is sometimes called torque-free precession, while gyroscopic precession (e.g., one end supported) is called torque-induced precession. Likewise, nutation appears to have more than one usage, comparing the Sidewinder nutation to the form presented by Wikipedia. Strangely enough, Wikipedia also says that gyroscopic precession is now used to prevent the early Sidewinder's 'serpentine motion' (i.e., nutation). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewinder_missile Kel Blackman wrote: Thanks for the explanation Jerry. I have not heard of nutation before. I understand what you are saying but could you please define nutation for me as I cannot find a reference in my dictionary. Kel. From: Jerry Volland Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Kel, You're correct that there is no precession in space. This is also true of a gyro which is simply dropped and is in free fall. The Conservation of Momentum deals with Angular Momentum. Without one end of the shaft supported, there is no alternate rotation into which the torque forces derived from gravity can convert. A different situation arises with a gyro which is stationary, relative to the earth, but is not supported at one end. An example is a gimbles. This is the case in which there is a coupling to the free space reference frame around the planet. This coupling produces a nutation of the axis, with both ends tracing a small circle at the rate you mention, while the center point along the axis remains stationary. Precession is much faster and is different from nutation. Interestingly enough, a pendulum can also couple in this manner, with its swing angle varying over a 24 hour period, if the pendulum is long enough. Thanks for commenting on my theory. -JV Kel Blackman wrote: Jerry Looked over your explanation of precession and it is a new one to me, that is not to degrade it, but I have not heard of it before. It was my understanding that the cause of precession is as follows: If you were to spin a gyro in space then there would not be any precession as the forces are in a state of equilibrium. However when you spin it on earth then the axis will at some point be fixed to our planet. Because the planet is spinning and moving through space then the gryo will stay fixed in an attitude as it were in space and will precess at 15 degrees and hour, ( the rate of rotation through space fo the earth) Kel. --------------------------------- From: Jerry Volland Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Hi, Mitch. The cause of precession is simple enough. When the axel of the gyro is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical. One side is spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed. As soon as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to Conservation of Momentum. (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up when she pulls her arm inwards.) On the other side of the gyro, the mass is moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed. This causes the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason. Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute precession. Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity has a less direct effect. However the angular momentum produced by precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow down. JV M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question. You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean "precession"? If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is friction, is that not correct? >Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect". >Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html --------------------------------- 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife - Click here _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.ninemsn.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=762942039&_r=seek_apr07_yourfuturestartshere&_m=EXT --0-1155193298-1177674016=:29738 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Kel,
 
Nutation is a wobbling of an axis, with a phase variance of 180 degrees from one end to the other.  The best way to visualize the effect, as it appears in a Sidewinder Missile, is to hold a pencil in the middle, then move one end in a small circle.  This will also cause the other end to move in a circle.  The earth, acting as a gyroscope, also experiences this effect, due to a coupling with the reference frame associated with the star Polaris.  In this case, it takes more than 20,000 years for the axis to trace a complete circle.  Likewise, the axis of a free spinning gyroscope will appear to trace a circle, top and bottom, once every 24 hours, relative to the earth, as the earth rotates.
 
According to Wikipedia, nutation and precession are somewhat blurred together, depending on the situation.  This type of nutation is sometimes called torque-free precession, while gyroscopic precession (e.g., one end supported) is called torque-induced precession.  Likewise, nutation appears to have more than one usage, comparing the Sidewinder nutation to the form presented by Wikipedia.  Strangely enough, Wikipedia also says that gyroscopic precession is now used to prevent the early Sidewinder's 'serpentine motion'  (i.e., nutation).
 


Kel Blackman <toki_29@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the explanation Jerry. I have not heard of nutation before. I
understand what you are saying but could you please define nutation for me
as I cannot find a reference in my dictionary.
Kel.


From: Jerry Volland
Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT)

Kel,

You're correct that there is no precession in space. This is also true
of a gyro which is simply dropped and is in free fall. The Conservation of
Momentum deals with Angular Momentum. Without one end of the shaft
supported, there is no alternate rotation into which the torque forces
derived from gravity can convert.

A different situation arises with a gyro which is stationary, relative to
the earth, but is not supported at one end. An example is a gimbles. This
is the case in which there is a coupling to the free space reference frame
around the planet. This coupling produces a nutation of the axis, with both
ends tracing a small circle at the rate you mention, while the center point
along the axis remains stationary. Precession is much faster and is
different from nutation.

Interestingly enough, a pendulum can also couple in this manner, with its
swing angle varying over a 24 hour period, if the pendulum is long enough.

Thanks for commenting on my theory.

-JV



Kel Blackman wrote:
Jerry Looked over your explanation of precession and it is a new
one to me, that is not to degrade it, but I have not heard of it before. It
was my understanding that the cause of precession is as follows: If you were
to spin a gyro in space then there would not be any precession as the forces
are in a state of equilibrium. However when you spin it on earth then the
axis will at some point be fixed to our planet. Because the planet is
spinning and moving through space then the gryo will stay fixed in an
attitude as it were in space and will precess at 15 degrees and hour, ( the
rate of rotation through space fo the earth)
Kel.





---------------------------------

From: Jerry Volland
Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT)


Hi, Mitch.

The cause of precession is simple enough. When the axel of the gyro
is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact
with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical. One side is
spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed. As soon
as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to
Conservation of Momentum. (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up
when she pulls her arm inwards.) On the other side of the gyro, the mass is
moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed. This causes
the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason.
Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute
precession. Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity
has a less direct effect. However the angular momentum produced by
precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the
shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow
down.

JV

M J Mitch Mitchell wrote:

After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question.
You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean
"precession"?
If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is
friction, is that not correct?


>Gyroscopes do some very interesting things, but no one (that I
know
about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect".

>Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is
what you had in
mind.


www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html

www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html











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Thanks Jerry, Very interesting!

From:  Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us>
Reply-To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject:  RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity
Date:  Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:40:16 -0700 (PDT)

Kel,
  
 
  
Nutation is a wobbling of an axis, with a phase variance of 180 degrees from one end to the other.  The best way to visualize the effect, as it appears in a Sidewinder Missile, is to hold a pencil in the middle, then move one end in a small circle.  This will also cause the other end to move in a circle.  The earth, acting as a gyroscope, also experiences this effect, due to a coupling with the reference frame associated with the star Polaris.  In this case, it takes more than 20,000 years for the axis to trace a complete circle.  Likewise, the axis of a free spinning gyroscope will appear to trace a circle, top and bottom, once every 24 hours, relative to the earth, as the earth rotates.
  
 
  
According to Wikipedia, nutation and precession are somewhat blurred together, depending on the situation.  This type of nutation is sometimes called torque-free
precession, while gyroscopic precession (e.g., one end supported) is called torque-induced precession.  Likewise, nutation appears to have more than one usage, comparing the Sidewinder nutation to the form presented by Wikipedia.  Strangely enough, Wikipedia also says that gyroscopic precession is now used to prevent the early Sidewinder's 'serpentine motion'  (i.e., nutation).
  
 
           


Kel Blackman <toki_29@hotmail.com> wrote:
  
Thanks for the explanation Jerry. I have not
heard of nutation before. I
understand what you are saying but could you please define nutation for me
as I cannot find a reference in my dictionary.
Kel.


From: Jerry Volland
Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT)

Kel,

You're correct that there is no precession in space. This is also true
of a gyro which is simply dropped and is in free fall. The Conservation of
Momentum deals with Angular Momentum. Without one end of the shaft
supported, there is no alternate rotation into which the torque forces
derived from gravity can convert.

A different situation arises with a gyro which is stationary, relative to
the earth, but is not supported at one end. An example is a gimbles. This
is the case in which there is a coupling to the free space reference frame
around the
planet. This coupling produces a nutation of the axis, with both
ends tracing a small circle at the rate you mention, while the center point
along the axis remains stationary. Precession is much faster and is
different from nutation.

Interestingly enough, a pendulum can also couple in this manner, with its
swing angle varying over a 24 hour period, if the pendulum is long enough.

Thanks for commenting on my theory.

-JV



Kel Blackman wrote:
Jerry Looked over your explanation of precession and it is a new
one to me, that is not to degrade it, but I have not heard of it before. It
was my understanding that the cause of precession is as follows: If you were
to spin a gyro in space then there would not be any precession as the forces
are in a state of equilibrium. However when you spin it on earth then the
axis will at some point be fixed to our planet. Because the planet is

spinning and moving through space then the gryo will stay fixed in an
attitude as it were in space and will precess at 15 degrees and hour, ( the
rate of rotation through space fo the earth)
Kel.





---------------------------------

From: Jerry Volland
Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT)


Hi, Mitch.

The cause of precession is simple enough. When the axel of the gyro
is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact
with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical. One side is
spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed. As soon
as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the center, due to
Conservation of Momentum. (This is like a spinning ice skater speeding up
when she pulls her
arm inwards.) On the other side of the gyro, the mass is
moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed. This causes
the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same reason.
Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute
precession. Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, since gravity
has a less direct effect. However the angular momentum produced by
precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed after the
shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro to slow
down.

JV

M J Mitch Mitchell wrote:

After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a question.
You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you mean
"precession"?
If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing precession is
friction, is that not correct?


>Gyroscopes do some very
interesting things, but no one (that I
know
about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity "effect".

>Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if this is
what you had in
mind.


www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html

www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html











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House hunt online now! ninemsn.realestate.com.au From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 05:11:26 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RCB9AM009077; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:11:10 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RCB729009051; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:11:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:11:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: 3COLDIEVM1luY0buAZVk0.VG4VKDWXG8etazi.AYtuEHeTQYcHBsDMad7MaZtVBCRQ-- Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c788ba$7a6e6be0$615d9ddc@JohnandDel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-357338028-1177675866=:81229" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <261498.81229.qm@web704.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <31ORLC.A.WNC.aheMGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25669 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 331 --0-357338028-1177675866=:81229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John, Yes, like the fabled Dean Drive, this system is also what's know as an Inertia Prime Mover. There are hundreds of patents for these things. But finding one which works is the hard part. Or maybe building one is the hardest part. I tried to build a Dean Drive back in '65, but couldn't even get the weights to stay synchronized. I've since built and tested 80 different systems, only around 10 percent of which worked. Usually, but not always, a non-planar aspect has to be included in the operation. I consider my Split Gyro to be one of the simplest systems to build, if anyone is interested in producing thrust mechanically. I'm planning to eventually market this as an Inertial Brake, for snowy streets. Seems like someone else could too. This system is a lot like the Dean Drive, except the plane of rotation tips, producing an angled reaction force. And, of course, since the thrust is a reaction, the operation is in full compliance with Newton's Laws. JV http://spaceoffice.us/splitgyro.htm http://spaceoffice.us/airbornethruster.jpg http://spaceoffice.us/newt.htm John Mount wrote: Re following quote: "While rotating, weights at the ends of the spinning arms which are turning in the direction of the extrinsic rotation will generate upwards centrifugal force". If I've grasped the above correctly, it reminds me of the patented Dean device which was all the rage here back in the 60's i.e. it supposedly converted rotary motion into uni-directional motion... JEM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:05 AM Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Here's another system which better illustrates Einstein's formula. Patent #3,555,915 (www.google.com/patents) shows a device which has hinged arms at the end of spinning shafts, with these shafts in turn rotating around the center. While rotating, weights at the ends of the spinning arms which are turning in the direction of the extrinsic rotation will generate upwards centrifugal force. At the same time, weights which are spinning opposite to the direction of rotation will move slower and, due to Conservation of Momentum, these hinges will move inwards. This inwards movement will reduce the spin radius, resulting is less centrifugal force downwards. So the upwards force from the top semi circle is predominate. I've been testing this system and it seems to work. I added a large fender washer at the end of the bolt I'm using for the spinning shaft, to prevent the top hinges from moving outwards. With the short ends of two hinges mounted to the bolt, and the shoulder of the bolt, minus its head, installed in a small trim router, I can definately feel upwards impulses as I twist the router around. I can also hear clicking sounds as the lower hinges reach the horizontal and move back out. However, my test unit only works when the spin rate closely matches the twisting speed. -JV --0-357338028-1177675866=:81229 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
John,
 
Yes, like the fabled Dean Drive, this system is also what's know as an Inertia Prime Mover.  There are hundreds of patents for these things.  But finding one which works is the hard part.  Or maybe building one is the hardest part.  I tried to build a Dean Drive back in '65, but couldn't even get the weights to stay synchronized.  I've since built and tested 80 different systems, only around 10 percent of which worked.  Usually, but not always, a non-planar aspect has to be included in the operation.  I consider my Split Gyro to be one of the simplest systems to build, if anyone is interested in producing thrust mechanically.  I'm planning to eventually market this as an Inertial Brake, for snowy streets.  Seems like someone else could too.  This system is a lot like the Dean Drive, except the plane of rotation tips, producing an angled reaction force.  And, of course, since the thrust is a reaction, the operation is in full compliance with Newton's Laws.
 
JV
 


John Mount <johndel@caliph.net.au> wrote:
 
Re following quote:
 
        "While rotating, weights at the ends of the spinning arms which are
         turning in the direction of the extrinsic rotation will generate
         upwards centrifugal force".
 
If I've grasped the above correctly, it reminds me of the patented Dean device which
was all the rage here back in the 60's i.e. it supposedly converted rotary motion into
uni-directional motion...
 
JEM
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:05 AM
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity

Here's another system which better illustrates Einstein's formula. Patent #3,555,915 (www.google.com/patents) shows a device which has hinged arms at the end of spinning shafts, with these shafts in turn rotating around the center. While rotating, weights at the ends of the spinning arms which are turning in the direction of the extrinsic rotation will generate upwards centrifugal force. At the same time, weights which are spinning opposite to the direction of rotation will move slower and, due to Conservation of Momentum, these hinges will move inwards. This inwards movement will reduce the spin radius, resulting is less centrifugal force downwards. So the upwards force from the top semi circle is predominate.
 
I've been testing this system and it seems to work. I added a large fender washer at the end of the bolt I'm using for the spinning shaft, to prevent the top hinges from moving outwards. With the short ends of two hinges mounted to the bolt, and the shoulder of the bolt, minus its head, installed in a small trim router, I can definately feel upwards impulses as I twist the router around. I can also hear clicking sounds as the lower hinges reach the horizontal and move back out. However, my test unit only works when the spin rate closely matches the twisting speed. -JV



--0-357338028-1177675866=:81229-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 05:16:10 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RCFtn0020928; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:15:55 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RCFraX020913; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:15:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:15:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:15:50 +1200 From: Darryl Ward Subject: Re: [FG]: Power Of Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <029601c788c5$cb853cb0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0293_01C7892A.60957DB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25670 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 332 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0293_01C7892A.60957DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a device known as a Foucault pendulum, which is, well, a = pendulum, but instead of being constrained to swinging from side to = side, it is suspended from a point and is free to swing in any = direction. What happens though is that it swings to and fro like a regular = pendulum, but each stroke slightly precesses, so that a complete circle = is traced every 23 hours 56 minutes. (This is the time that it takes for the earth to complete one rotation; = the reason why our day is 4 minutes longer is because the Sun rises four = minutes later every rotation of earth because we orbit approximately = one degree around the Sun every day). Kind regards Darryl ANZAC Day: 25 April We will remember them __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kel Blackman=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:01 AM Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Thanks Jerry, Very interesting! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Jerry Volland Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Kel, =20 =20 Nutation is a wobbling of an axis, with a phase variance of 180 = degrees from one end to the other. The best way to visualize the = effect, as it appears in a Sidewinder Missile, is to hold a pencil in = the middle, then move one end in a small circle. This will also cause = the other end to move in a circle. The earth, acting as a gyroscope, = also experiences this effect, due to a coupling with the reference frame = associated with the star Polaris. In this case, it takes more than = 20,000 years for the axis to trace a complete circle. Likewise, the = axis of a free spinning gyroscope will appear to trace a circle, top and = bottom, once every 24 hours, relative to the earth, as the earth = rotates. =20 =20 According to Wikipedia, nutation and precession are somewhat blurred = together, depending on the situation. This type of nutation is = sometimes called torque-free=20 precession, while gyroscopic precession (e.g., one end supported) is = called torque-induced precession. Likewise, nutation appears to have = more than one usage, comparing the Sidewinder nutation to the form = presented by Wikipedia. Strangely enough, Wikipedia also says that = gyroscopic precession is now used to prevent the early Sidewinder's = 'serpentine motion' (i.e., nutation).=20 =20 =20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutation =20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession =20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewinder_missile =20 Kel Blackman wrote: =20 Thanks for the explanation Jerry. I have not=20 heard of nutation before. I=20 understand what you are saying but could you please define = nutation for me=20 as I cannot find a reference in my dictionary. Kel. From: Jerry Volland=20 Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Kel, You're correct that there is no precession in space. This is also = true=20 of a gyro which is simply dropped and is in free fall. The = Conservation of=20 Momentum deals with Angular Momentum. Without one end of the shaft = supported, there is no alternate rotation into which the torque = forces=20 derived from gravity can convert. A different situation arises with a gyro which is stationary, = relative to=20 the earth, but is not supported at one end. An example is a = gimbles. This=20 is the case in which there is a coupling to the free space = reference frame=20 around the=20 planet. This coupling produces a nutation of the axis, with both=20 ends tracing a small circle at the rate you mention, while the = center point=20 along the axis remains stationary. Precession is much faster and = is=20 different from nutation. Interestingly enough, a pendulum can also couple in this manner, = with its=20 swing angle varying over a 24 hour period, if the pendulum is long = enough. Thanks for commenting on my theory. -JV Kel Blackman wrote: Jerry Looked over your explanation of precession and it is a new=20 one to me, that is not to degrade it, but I have not heard of it = before. It=20 was my understanding that the cause of precession is as follows: = If you were=20 to spin a gyro in space then there would not be any precession as = the forces=20 are in a state of equilibrium. However when you spin it on earth = then the=20 axis will at some point be fixed to our planet. Because the planet = is=20 spinning and moving through space then the gryo will stay fixed in = an=20 attitude as it were in space and will precess at 15 degrees and = hour, ( the=20 rate of rotation through space fo the earth) Kel. --------------------------------- From: Jerry Volland=20 Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Hi, Mitch. The cause of precession is simple enough. When the axel of the = gyro=20 is horizontal, with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity = will interact=20 with the two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical. One = side is=20 spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this speed. = As soon=20 as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards the = center, due to=20 Conservation of Momentum. (This is like a spinning ice skater = speeding up=20 when she pulls her=20 arm inwards.) On the other side of the gyro, the mass is=20 moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed. This = causes=20 the mass on that side to move away from the center, for the same = reason.=20 Both of these movements are in the same direction, and constitute=20 precession. Precession is slower with a non-horizontal shaft, = since gravity=20 has a less direct effect. However the angular momentum produced by precession is cumulative, so the effect continues to gain speed = after the=20 shaft dips below the horizontal, due to friction causing the gyro = to slow=20 down. JV M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: After going to your gyro site and reading the info there, I have a = question. You mention the cause of "procession" being unknown. Don't you = mean "precession"? If that is a typo, then my understanding of the force causing = precession is friction, is that not correct? >Gyroscopes do some very=20 interesting things, but no one (that I know about, the Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity = "effect". >Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on my site and see if = this is what you had in mind. www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyroforces.html www.21stcenturyideas.com/gyrothrust.html --------------------------------- 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife - Click here _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! 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There is a device known as a Foucault pendulum, = which is,=20 well,  a pendulum, but instead of being constrained to swinging = from side=20 to side, it is suspended from a point and is free to swing in any=20 direction.
 
What happens though is that it swings to and fro = like a=20 regular pendulum, but each stroke slightly precesses, so that a complete = circle=20 is traced every 23 hours 56 minutes.
 
(This is the time that it takes for the earth to = complete=20 one rotation; the reason why our day is 4 minutes longer is because the = Sun=20 rises four minutes later every rotation of earth because we  = orbit=20 approximately one degree around the Sun every day).
 
Kind regards
 
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kel = Blackman
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 = 12:01=20 AM
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of = Gravity

Thanks Jerry, Very interesting!

From:  Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us>
Reply-To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:&= nbsp; freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subj= ect:  RE:=20 [FG]: Power Of Gravity
Date:  Fri, 27 Apr 2007 = 04:40:16=20 -0700 (PDT)

Kel,
  =20
 
  =20
Nutation is a wobbling of an axis, with a phase variance of 180 = degrees=20 from one end to the other.  The best way to visualize the = effect, as it=20 appears in a Sidewinder Missile, is to hold a pencil in the middle, = then=20 move one end in a small circle.  This will also cause the other = end to=20 move in a circle.  The earth, acting as a gyroscope, also = experiences=20 this effect, due to a coupling with the reference frame associated = with the=20 star Polaris.  In this case, it takes more than 20,000 = years for=20 the axis to trace a complete circle.  Likewise, the axis of a = free=20 spinning gyroscope will appear to trace a circle, top and = bottom, once=20 every 24 hours, relative to the earth, as the=20 earth rotates.
  =20
 
  =20
According to Wikipedia, nutation and precession are somewhat = blurred=20 together, depending on the situation.  This type of nutation is = sometimes called torque-free
precession, while gyroscopic = precession=20 (e.g., one end supported) is called torque-induced = precession. =20 Likewise, nutation appears to have more than one usage, comparing = the=20 Sidewinder nutation to the form presented by Wikipedia.  = Strangely=20 enough, Wikipedia also says that gyroscopic precession is now used = to=20 prevent the early Sidewinder's 'serpentine motion'  (i.e., = nutation).=20
  =20
 
  =20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wi= ki/Nutation
  =20
http://en.wikipedia.org/= wiki/Precession
  =20
http://en.wikipe= dia.org/wiki/Sidewinder_missile
  =20


Kel Blackman <toki_29@hotmail.com>=20 wrote:
  =20
Thanks=20 for the explanation Jerry. I have not=20
heard of nutation before. I
understand what you are = saying=20 but could you please define nutation for me
as I cannot find a = reference in my dictionary.
Kel.


From: Jerry Volland =
Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To: = freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject:=20 RE: [FG]: Power Of Gravity
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:05:16 = -0700=20 (PDT)

Kel,

You're correct that there is no = precession in=20 space. This is also true
of a gyro which is simply dropped and = is in=20 free fall. The Conservation of
Momentum deals with Angular = Momentum.=20 Without one end of the shaft
supported, there is no alternate = rotation=20 into which the torque forces
derived from gravity can=20 convert.

A different situation arises with a gyro which is=20 stationary, relative to
the earth, but is not supported at one = end. An=20 example is a gimbles. This
is the case in which there is a = coupling to=20 the free space reference frame
around the=20
planet. This coupling produces a nutation of the axis, = with=20 both
ends tracing a small circle at the rate you mention, = while the=20 center point
along the axis remains stationary. Precession is = much=20 faster and is
different from nutation.

Interestingly = enough, a=20 pendulum can also couple in this manner, with its
swing angle = varying=20 over a 24 hour period, if the pendulum is long = enough.

Thanks for=20 commenting on my theory.

-JV



Kel Blackman=20 wrote:
Jerry Looked over your explanation of precession and it = is a new=20
one to me, that is not to degrade it, but I have not heard of = it=20 before. It
was my understanding that the cause of precession = is as=20 follows: If you were
to spin a gyro in space then there would = not be=20 any precession as the forces
are in a state of equilibrium. = However=20 when you spin it on earth then the
axis will at some point be = fixed to=20 our planet. Because the planet is=20

spinning and moving through space then the gryo = will stay=20 fixed in an
attitude as it were in space and will precess at = 15=20 degrees and hour, ( the
rate of rotation through space fo the=20 = earth)
Kel.





---------------------------------
From:=20 Jerry Volland
Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:=20 freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [FG]: Power Of = Gravity
Date: Wed,=20 25 Apr 2007 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT)


Hi, Mitch.

The = cause of=20 precession is simple enough. When the axel of the gyro
is = horizontal,=20 with one end supported on the pedestal, gravity will interact =
with the=20 two sides of the gyro which are basically vertical. One side is=20
spinning downwards, so gravity will *tend* to increase this = speed. As=20 soon
as this happens, the mass on that side will move towards = the=20 center, due to
Conservation of Momentum. (This is like a = spinning ice=20 skater speeding up
when she pulls her=20
arm inwards.) On the other side of the gyro, the mass = is=20
moving upwards, so gravity will tend to decrease this speed. = This=20 causes
the mass on that side to move away from the center, for = the=20 same reason.
Both of these movements are in the same = direction, and=20 constitute
precession. Precession is slower with a = non-horizontal=20 shaft, since gravity
has a less direct effect. However the = angular=20 momentum produced by
precession is cumulative, so the effect = continues=20 to gain speed after the
shaft dips below the horizontal, due = to=20 friction causing the gyro to slow
down.

JV

M J = Mitch=20 Mitchell wrote:

After going to your gyro site and reading = the info=20 there, I have a question.
You mention the cause of "procession" = being=20 unknown. Don't you mean
"precession"?
If that is a typo, = then my=20 understanding of the force causing precession is
friction, is = that not=20 correct?


>Gyroscopes do some very=20
interesting things, but no one (that = I
know
about, the=20 Japanese tried) has connected them to an antigravity=20 "effect".

>Take a look a the page "Gyroscopic Forces" on = my site=20 and see if this is
what you had=20 = in
mind.


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I really think it aids in thermal efficiency. Combustion was already pretty close to complete else there would be much higher CO and hydrocarbon emissions than they were. Water injection clearly made it better though because they both dropped to almost immeasurable levels, but the amount of uncombusted fuel wasn't enough to account for the almost 50% improvement in fuel economy, and the increase in power was substantial as well. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, John Mount wrote: > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:05:51 +1000 > From: John Mount > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:46:34 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Re following: > > "The theory behind water injection is that it cools the mixture and > prevents knocking, but I also got way more power and fuel mileage. > I think the conversion of small beads of liquid water into a true > vapor changed heat energy into mechanical energy..." > > I've heard of others getting "more (or extra)power" from the admixture of > water vapour with volatile substances, particularly petrol. I wonder if it's > the minute amounts of hydrogen in the water that causes this reaction? Could > this also explain that almost miraculous energy known as Brown's Gas/Joe > Cell etc.? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nanook" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > Well we are all looking in to biodiesel and hydrgen and even electricity > > > well im thinking insted of looking to the future we should look to the > > > past. Steam made america what it is today and to this very day it still > > > serves as the most reliable way to make power. > > > > Steam doesn't "make power", you had to burn a fuel to get the steam. > > > > > Well how about the steam powered car i know its been done before all im > > > saying is give it another look your standarded car already has most of > the > > > compnents you need a battery a liquid storage tank a cooling unit a > > > altanator all there is to add is of course is a boiler and engine. To > > > simplify this the new engine can still turn the altinator and charge the > > > battery and using several capsitors you can generate enough power to > boil > > > water of course you would have to give it time to heat up but small > price > > > to pay for a car that runs off of water . P.S. When you think of this > car > > > try to imagine all of the inavateive technology that they have put into > > > hybrid car in essence half electric half water/steam > > > > Just adding more stuff in line isn't going to make more power. I > will > > tell you though from personal experience what does though. > > > > Along the lines of steam, water injection, injecting water into the > > cylinder along fuel/air. I did this on a '68 Rambler, 199 six cylinder. > Before > > water injection it was picky about fuel, knocked easy, only 8.5:1 > compression > > but still knocked easy. Before water injection got 16/23 City/Highway. > > > > After water injection no longer picky about fuel, could put the > lowest > > octane gas you could find and no knock. After water injection it got 23/30 > > City/Highway. And it had way more power as an additional plus. And the > spark > > plugs stayed clean and unburnt, another additional plus. > > > > The theory behind water injection is that it cools the mixture and > > prevents knocking, but I also got way more power and fuel milage. I think > the > > conversion of small beads of liquid water into a true vapor changed heat > energy > > into mechanical energy that drove the pistons instead of heating the > cylinder. > > > > At any rate; it definitely worked, but keeping the injector nozzle > clean > > was a major pain in the butt. > > > > It was an Edlebrock kit which included a tank with a pump, and a > little > > computer controller module. The controller module had a vacuum sensor and > a > > tachometer and it used the combination of the two inputs to decide how > much > > water to spray and the sensitivity to both was adjustable. > > > > The tank was only one gallon, but optimal performance occured at more > like > > one gallon of water to four gallons of gas rather than one gallon of water > per > > tank of gas (16 gallons in that car). > > > > I think it was a very good idea but an extremely poor implementation. > > Particularly, it lacked any water filter, bad bad bad because it didn't > take > > much gunk in water to clog the nozzle. I used a hyperdermic needle to > clean it > > out when it would clog. It really needs a much larger tank. > > > > Oh one other benefit, the pollution specs on the car went way down > with > > this attachment. I don't know how it contributed to better combustion but > it > > did, hydrocarbons were almost unmeasurable and CO levels were low. I do > not > > understand the mechanism for this. I imagine NOx emissions were down too > since > > the peak cylinder temperature would be lowered but had no access to > equipment > > to measure that. > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 1/04/07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 11:09:10 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RI8nMv025504; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:08:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RI8jQM025454; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:08:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:08:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <46320440.6020103@rimstar.org> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:10:08 +0000 From: Steven Dufresne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Photon; U; QNX x86pc; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20030109 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water References: <000001c788b9$94a4bce0$615d9ddc@JohnandDel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25672 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 334 The theory behind why hydrogen produced by normal electrolysis (aka Brown's Gas) and then injected into the combustion chamber results in better efficiency and less pollutants is that the hydrogen, which burns faster than the gasoline/diesel, breaks up the large gasoline/diesel molecules so that more of it burns - more effciency. Maybe the "true" vapor refered to below has H or 2H in it resulting in the same thing. -Steve http://rimstar.org John Mount wrote: > Re following: > > "The theory behind water injection is that it cools the mixture and > prevents knocking, but I also got way more power and fuel mileage. > I think the conversion of small beads of liquid water into a true > vapor changed heat energy into mechanical energy..." > > I've heard of others getting "more (or extra)power" from the admixture of > water vapour with volatile substances, particularly petrol. I wonder if it's > the minute amounts of hydrogen in the water that causes this reaction? Could > this also explain that almost miraculous energy known as Brown's Gas/Joe > Cell etc.? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nanook" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > > > >>On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: >> >>>Well we are all looking in to biodiesel and hydrgen and even electricity >>>well im thinking insted of looking to the future we should look to the >>>past. Steam made america what it is today and to this very day it still >>>serves as the most reliable way to make power. >> >> Steam doesn't "make power", you had to burn a fuel to get the steam. >> >> >>>Well how about the steam powered car i know its been done before all im >>>saying is give it another look your standarded car already has most of >> > the > >>>compnents you need a battery a liquid storage tank a cooling unit a >>>altanator all there is to add is of course is a boiler and engine. To >>>simplify this the new engine can still turn the altinator and charge the >>>battery and using several capsitors you can generate enough power to >> > boil > >>>water of course you would have to give it time to heat up but small >> > price > >>>to pay for a car that runs off of water . P.S. When you think of this >> > car > >>>try to imagine all of the inavateive technology that they have put into >>>hybrid car in essence half electric half water/steam >> >> Just adding more stuff in line isn't going to make more power. I > > will > >>tell you though from personal experience what does though. >> >> Along the lines of steam, water injection, injecting water into the >>cylinder along fuel/air. I did this on a '68 Rambler, 199 six cylinder. > > Before > >>water injection it was picky about fuel, knocked easy, only 8.5:1 > > compression > >>but still knocked easy. Before water injection got 16/23 City/Highway. >> >> After water injection no longer picky about fuel, could put the > > lowest > >>octane gas you could find and no knock. After water injection it got 23/30 >>City/Highway. And it had way more power as an additional plus. And the > > spark > >>plugs stayed clean and unburnt, another additional plus. >> >> The theory behind water injection is that it cools the mixture and >>prevents knocking, but I also got way more power and fuel milage. I think > > the > >>conversion of small beads of liquid water into a true vapor changed heat > > energy > >>into mechanical energy that drove the pistons instead of heating the > > cylinder. > >> At any rate; it definitely worked, but keeping the injector nozzle > > clean > >>was a major pain in the butt. >> >> It was an Edlebrock kit which included a tank with a pump, and a > > little > >>computer controller module. The controller module had a vacuum sensor and > > a > >>tachometer and it used the combination of the two inputs to decide how > > much > >>water to spray and the sensitivity to both was adjustable. >> >> The tank was only one gallon, but optimal performance occured at more > > like > >>one gallon of water to four gallons of gas rather than one gallon of water > > per > >>tank of gas (16 gallons in that car). >> >> I think it was a very good idea but an extremely poor implementation. >>Particularly, it lacked any water filter, bad bad bad because it didn't > > take > >>much gunk in water to clog the nozzle. I used a hyperdermic needle to > > clean it > >>out when it would clog. It really needs a much larger tank. >> >> Oh one other benefit, the pollution specs on the car went way down > > with > >>this attachment. I don't know how it contributed to better combustion but > > it > >>did, hydrocarbons were almost unmeasurable and CO levels were low. I do > > not > >>understand the mechanism for this. I imagine NOx emissions were down too > > since > >>the peak cylinder temperature would be lowered but had no access to > > equipment > >>to measure that. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 12:15:41 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RJFLKL014879; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:22 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RJFK42014862; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <46324BC2.9070001@norlight.org> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:14 -0700 From: "Keith E. Millard" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25673 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 335 Engine knock/pinging, which is explosive combustion or premature ignition rather than properly-timed rapid burning, is related to: too-high compression ratio, poor combustion chamber design, carbon build-up, excess engine temperature, too-hot heat range spark plugs, too-early spark timing, or low-octane-rating/poor quality fuel. Water injection cools and slows the burning process, so even if the ignition is too advanced (or any of the other above factors), the pressure build-up during the power stroke is delayed/slowed enough to allow the piston to pass top-dead-center and reduce or prevent knock/pinging. I don't believe that the injected water would enter into the chemical process in any appreciable amount. Octane rating of fuel is related to how rapidly the fuel burns (higher=slower). I'm surprised that the racing community is not into this big-time! Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 12:35:37 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RJZDW0030369; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:35:13 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RJZBBp030353; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:35:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:35:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water In-Reply-To: <46324BC2.9070001@norlight.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3P9Dv.A.GaH.tBlMGB@ultra7.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25674 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 336 It definitely affects the chemical process in terms of combustion completeness because I used a sniffer to look at the exhaust with it turned on and off and it makes a HUGE difference in both hydrocarbons and CO output, both go to almost zero with it on, and were in a range normal for that car (pre catalytic converter) with it off. However, that said, even with it off, the amount of gasoline that wasn't combusted isn't enough to account for a significant change in milage but it did make a 43.75% improvement in town and 30.43% improvement highway. I don't know that you'd see the same improvements on a modern closed cycle computer controlled fuel injected car as it did on the old carburated non-computer controlled, no closed cycle car. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Keith E. Millard wrote: > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:14 -0700 > From: Keith E. Millard > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:20 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Engine knock/pinging, which is explosive combustion or premature > ignition rather than properly-timed rapid burning, is related to: > too-high compression ratio, poor combustion chamber design, carbon > build-up, excess engine temperature, too-hot heat range spark plugs, > too-early spark timing, or low-octane-rating/poor quality fuel. Water > injection cools and slows the burning process, so even if the ignition > is too advanced (or any of the other above factors), the pressure > build-up during the power stroke is delayed/slowed enough to allow the > piston to pass top-dead-center and reduce or prevent knock/pinging. I > don't believe that the injected water would enter into the chemical > process in any appreciable amount. Octane rating of fuel is related to > how rapidly the fuel burns (higher=slower). I'm surprised that the > racing community is not into this big-time! > Keith > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 13:05:09 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RK4pfC004089; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:04:52 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3RK4nev004066; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:04:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:04:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <4632575C.6070509@norlight.org> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:04:44 -0700 From: "Keith E. Millard" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6pE0EB.A.c_.gdlMGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25675 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 337 With water injection, and "knock" eliminated, the slower combustion is not trying to force the piston back down during it's rise to top-dead-center. That means a lower throttle setting for a given speed plus continued slower burning as the piston goes down during the power stroke. Water vapor is produced during the combustion process even without the water injection, so I can't see that extra injected water has somehow entered into the chemical reaction. The better (injected) mileage, in city, reflects the inefficiency of carburetors at or near idle. You are probably right that this scheme would likely not work so well on modern engines--although it might if the computer were set up to control the entire process from the beginning. Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 27 17:43:24 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S0h7QB023570; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:43:08 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3S0h4wk023541; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:43:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:43:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-UNTD-OriginStamp: mkekJprLFEpuhPIFA52n25RDC858rvQtkAum4clep/7OHUNq3y3b/ndzNJ7ygm9I X-Originating-IP: [68.186.222.74] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:42:10 GMT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The never ending battery X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM" Message-Id: <20070427.174211.19739.2942200@webmail40.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2249005090 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.180|webmail40.lax.untd.com|webmail40.lax.untd.com|aguyovergeorgia@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25676 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 338 ----__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain i will have a detailed sketch by the end of next week ----__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html i will have a detailed sketch by the end of next week ----__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 28 07:59:31 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SExIlQ027613; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:19 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3SExFmj027591; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: ghvxvwgVM1mqGYEXYtynjkfYVCv3paWFQETgxO09KHPQly4S4.4UAqlF7KJMuUUlEP8cg0RQzQVWt035fmv4cooin5ZD9UcRJ3tp5rGWUvNgIib1VhSeVWICVTvmPg-- Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2147267351-1177772354=:85458" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <777492.85458.qm@web712.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25677 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 339 --0-2147267351-1177772354=:85458 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nanook, What you said about using a sniffer reminds me of an experiment I once did using something called a Rankine Vortex Tube. This has a spiraling chamber which makes the input gas swirl around between two washers, one with a smaller hole than the other. Hotter gasses swirl to the inside of the vortex and exit through the smaller hole, while cooler, slower moving gasses stay closer to the outside, and exit through the larger hole. My reasoning was that this effect should also work with lighter gasses, such as CO, going out through the smaller hole. So I made one which fit over my exhaust pipe and routed a plastic tube from the desired output back to the manifold vacuum. When I took the truck to the dealership and had them take a smog reading, the CO level went from over 1% without the device to .02% with it installed. Both the technician and I thought I had something. But then a glitch developed. For some reason, the plastic return tube started filling up with water. There was a little plug of water nore than 1/2" long every couple of feet. After three or four of them formed, the manifold vacuum lacked the power to pull them any further, and the system failed, as an anti smog application. It turns out that water vapor is the lightest molecule in the exhaust, so this is why so much water vapor was going out through the smaller hole and condencing. (Burning one gallon of gasoline produces numerous gallons of water.) If this system could be used with a much smaller output hole on that side, it might be a practical method for injecting water vapor into the engine. Of course, the return tube might have to be heated to prevent condensation. Or, condensation might be diverted, as a source of extra water. Of course, all this is based on the presumption that it's not water evaporating in the cylinder which improves the performance. (The drop in CO indicates some similarity with your test.) And it may be that gasoline forms a film on the surface of small water droplets, allowing more complete combustion. JV Nanook wrote: It definitely affects the chemical process in terms of combustion completeness because I used a sniffer to look at the exhaust with it turned on and off and it makes a HUGE difference in both hydrocarbons and CO output, both go to almost zero with it on, and were in a range normal for that car (pre catalytic converter) with it off. However, that said, even with it off, the amount of gasoline that wasn't combusted isn't enough to account for a significant change in milage but it did make a 43.75% improvement in town and 30.43% improvement highway. I don't know that you'd see the same improvements on a modern closed cycle computer controlled fuel injected car as it did on the old carburated non-computer controlled, no closed cycle car. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Keith E. Millard wrote: > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:14 -0700 > From: Keith E. Millard > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:20 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Engine knock/pinging, which is explosive combustion or premature > ignition rather than properly-timed rapid burning, is related to: > too-high compression ratio, poor combustion chamber design, carbon > build-up, excess engine temperature, too-hot heat range spark plugs, > too-early spark timing, or low-octane-rating/poor quality fuel. Water > injection cools and slows the burning process, so even if the ignition > is too advanced (or any of the other above factors), the pressure > build-up during the power stroke is delayed/slowed enough to allow the > piston to pass top-dead-center and reduce or prevent knock/pinging. I > don't believe that the injected water would enter into the chemical > process in any appreciable amount. Octane rating of fuel is related to > how rapidly the fuel burns (higher=slower). I'm surprised that the > racing community is not into this big-time! > Keith > > --0-2147267351-1177772354=:85458 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Nanook,
 
What you said about using a sniffer reminds me of an experiment I once did using something called a Rankine Vortex Tube.  This has a spiraling chamber which makes the input gas swirl around between two washers, one with a smaller hole than the other.  Hotter gasses swirl to the inside of the vortex and exit through the smaller hole, while cooler, slower moving gasses stay closer to the outside, and exit through the larger hole.
 
My reasoning was that this effect should also work with lighter gasses, such as CO, going out through the smaller hole.  So I made one which fit over my exhaust pipe and routed a plastic tube from the desired output back to the manifold vacuum.  When I took the truck to the dealership and had them take a smog reading, the CO level went from over 1% without the device to .02% with it installed.
 
Both the technician and I thought I had something.  But then a glitch developed.  For some reason, the plastic return tube started filling up with water.  There was a little plug of water nore than 1/2" long every couple of feet.  After three or four of them formed, the manifold vacuum lacked the power to pull them any further, and the system failed, as an anti smog application.
 
It turns out that water vapor is the lightest molecule in the exhaust, so this is why so much water vapor was going out through the smaller hole and condencing.  (Burning one gallon of gasoline produces numerous gallons of water.)  If this system could be used with a much smaller output hole on that side, it might be a practical method for injecting water vapor into the engine.  Of course, the return tube might have to be heated to prevent condensation.  Or, condensation might be diverted, as a source of extra water.
 
Of course, all this is based on the presumption that it's not water evaporating in the cylinder which improves the performance.  (The drop in CO indicates some similarity with your test.)  And it may be that gasoline forms a film on the surface of small water droplets, allowing more complete combustion.
 
JV

Nanook <nanook@eskimo.com> wrote:

It definitely affects the chemical process in terms of combustion
completeness because I used a sniffer to look at the exhaust with it turned on
and off and it makes a HUGE difference in both hydrocarbons and CO output, both
go to almost zero with it on, and were in a range normal for that car (pre
catalytic converter) with it off.

However, that said, even with it off, the amount of gasoline that wasn't
combusted isn't enough to account for a significant change in milage but it did
make a 43.75% improvement in town and 30.43% improvement highway.

I don't know that you'd see the same improvements on a modern closed cycle
computer controlled fuel injected car as it did on the old carburated
non-computer controlled, no closed cycle car.

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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Keith E. Millard wrote:

> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:14 -0700
> From: Keith E. Millard
> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water
> Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:20 -0700
> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
>
> Engine knock/pinging, which is explosive combustion or premature
> ignition rather than properly-timed rapid burning, is related to:
> too-high compression ratio, poor combustion chamber design, carbon
> build-up, excess engine temperature, too-hot heat range spark plugs,
> too-early spark timing, or low-octane-rating/poor quality fuel. Water
> injection cools and slows the burning process, so even if the ignition
> is too advanced (or any of the other above factors), the pressure
> build-up during the power stroke is delayed/slowed enough to allow the
> piston to pass top-dead-center and reduce or prevent knock/pinging. I
> don't believe that the injected water would enter into the chemical
> process in any appreciable amount. Octane rating of fuel is related to
> how rapidly the fuel burns (higher=slower). I'm surprised that the
> racing community is not into this big-time!
> Keith
>
>


--0-2147267351-1177772354=:85458-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 28 10:48:25 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SHmJmD002568; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:48:19 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3SHmHKG002556; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:48:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:48:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water In-Reply-To: <777492.85458.qm@web712.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25678 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 340 Actually, a much simpler fix might be to make the return tube much smaller, creating a higher velocity, and not allowing time for the vapor to condense. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Jerry Volland wrote: > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jerry Volland > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:15 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Nanook, > > What you said about using a sniffer reminds me of an experiment I once did using something called a Rankine Vortex Tube. This has a spiraling chamber which makes the input gas swirl around between two washers, one with a smaller hole than the other. Hotter gasses swirl to the inside of the vortex and exit through the smaller hole, while cooler, slower moving gasses stay closer to the outside, and exit through the larger hole. > > My reasoning was that this effect should also work with lighter gasses, such as CO, going out through the smaller hole. So I made one which fit over my exhaust pipe and routed a plastic tube from the desired output back to the manifold vacuum. When I took the truck to the dealership and had them take a smog reading, the CO level went from over 1% without the device to .02% with it installed. > > Both the technician and I thought I had something. But then a glitch developed. For some reason, the plastic return tube started filling up with water. There was a little plug of water nore than 1/2" long every couple of feet. After three or four of them formed, the manifold vacuum lacked the power to pull them any further, and the system failed, as an anti smog application. > > It turns out that water vapor is the lightest molecule in the exhaust, so this is why so much water vapor was going out through the smaller hole and condencing. (Burning one gallon of gasoline produces numerous gallons of water.) If this system could be used with a much smaller output hole on that side, it might be a practical method for injecting water vapor into the engine. Of course, the return tube might have to be heated to prevent condensation. Or, condensation might be diverted, as a source of extra water. > > Of course, all this is based on the presumption that it's not water evaporating in the cylinder which improves the performance. (The drop in CO indicates some similarity with your test.) And it may be that gasoline forms a film on the surface of small water droplets, allowing more complete combustion. > > JV > > Nanook wrote: > > It definitely affects the chemical process in terms of combustion > completeness because I used a sniffer to look at the exhaust with it turned on > and off and it makes a HUGE difference in both hydrocarbons and CO output, both > go to almost zero with it on, and were in a range normal for that car (pre > catalytic converter) with it off. > > However, that said, even with it off, the amount of gasoline that wasn't > combusted isn't enough to account for a significant change in milage but it did > make a 43.75% improvement in town and 30.43% improvement highway. > > I don't know that you'd see the same improvements on a modern closed cycle > computer controlled fuel injected car as it did on the old carburated > non-computer controlled, no closed cycle car. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Keith E. Millard wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:14 -0700 > > From: Keith E. Millard > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > > Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:20 -0700 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > Engine knock/pinging, which is explosive combustion or premature > > ignition rather than properly-timed rapid burning, is related to: > > too-high compression ratio, poor combustion chamber design, carbon > > build-up, excess engine temperature, too-hot heat range spark plugs, > > too-early spark timing, or low-octane-rating/poor quality fuel. Water > > injection cools and slows the burning process, so even if the ignition > > is too advanced (or any of the other above factors), the pressure > > build-up during the power stroke is delayed/slowed enough to allow the > > piston to pass top-dead-center and reduce or prevent knock/pinging. I > > don't believe that the injected water would enter into the chemical > > process in any appreciable amount. Octane rating of fuel is related to > > how rapidly the fuel burns (higher=slower). I'm surprised that the > > racing community is not into this big-time! > > Keith > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 28 10:54:54 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SHspaI003970; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:54:51 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3SHsomY003955; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:54:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:54:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water In-Reply-To: <777492.85458.qm@web712.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25679 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 341 One thing though -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Jerry Volland wrote: > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jerry Volland > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:15 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Nanook, > > It turns out that water vapor is the lightest molecule in the exhaust, so > this is why so much water vapor was going out through the smaller hole and > condencing. (Burning one gallon of gasoline produces numerous gallons of > water.) If this system could be used with a much smaller output hole on > that side, it might be a practical method for injecting water vapor into > the engine. Of course, the return tube might have to be heated to prevent > condensation. Or, condensation might be diverted, as a source of extra > water. One thing too, water injection is helpful at precisely the wrong time, you want the injection when manifold vacuum is low instead of high, when the engine is under load. However, recovering water from the exhaust stream would be a way to forgo the need for a tank that you keep filling, provided you could filter out all the undesirable substances. Undesirable substances would include acids that form as a result of various processes, NOx combining with water vapor or sulfer oxides combining with water vapor to make nitric or sulferous and sulferic acids. These products from blow-by are a contributor to normal engine wear, so if you did recirculate water from exhaust you would want to somehow remove these. Still, recovering water vapor from the exhaust is an intriguing solution to the problem of making water injection palitable to the consumer. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 28 14:17:10 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SLGrDM024712; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:16:53 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3SLGjTa024639; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:16:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:16:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: BxRyYKsVM1kBjuwEPSkvoqSLQn2GSSFjHLjKZ0dVQC0lh5X6kdXJaVKP0pN1m_t5PP40QkQUe0gprxDaxfki9Wm_fry1RYMndvFg_t3r18qwIt8aQ5.ySHuiVvOBhg-- Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:16:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-945226795-1177795004=:72887" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <564982.72887.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0X-WM.A.2AG.9m7MGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25680 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 342 --0-945226795-1177795004=:72887 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If the velocity were high enough, a smaller tube might work. However, it would clog with less condensation. Maybe the return tube should be larger, so it wouldn't plug up? This might require a fan at the manifold, to keep from losing vacuum. It would be worth a little complexity, if I could get the extra performance you mention. Nanook wrote: Actually, a much simpler fix might be to make the return tube much smaller, creating a higher velocity, and not allowing time for the vapor to condense. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Jerry Volland wrote: > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jerry Volland > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:15 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Nanook, > > What you said about using a sniffer reminds me of an experiment I once did using something called a Rankine Vortex Tube. This has a spiraling chamber which makes the input gas swirl around between two washers, one with a smaller hole than the other. Hotter gasses swirl to the inside of the vortex and exit through the smaller hole, while cooler, slower moving gasses stay closer to the outside, and exit through the larger hole. > > My reasoning was that this effect should also work with lighter gasses, such as CO, going out through the smaller hole. So I made one which fit over my exhaust pipe and routed a plastic tube from the desired output back to the manifold vacuum. When I took the truck to the dealership and had them take a smog reading, the CO level went from over 1% without the device to .02% with it installed. > > Both the technician and I thought I had something. But then a glitch developed. For some reason, the plastic return tube started filling up with water. There was a little plug of water nore than 1/2" long every couple of feet. After three or four of them formed, the manifold vacuum lacked the power to pull them any further, and the system failed, as an anti smog application. > > It turns out that water vapor is the lightest molecule in the exhaust, so this is why so much water vapor was going out through the smaller hole and condencing. (Burning one gallon of gasoline produces numerous gallons of water.) If this system could be used with a much smaller output hole on that side, it might be a practical method for injecting water vapor into the engine. Of course, the return tube might have to be heated to prevent condensation. Or, condensation might be diverted, as a source of extra water. > > Of course, all this is based on the presumption that it's not water evaporating in the cylinder which improves the performance. (The drop in CO indicates some similarity with your test.) And it may be that gasoline forms a film on the surface of small water droplets, allowing more complete combustion. > > JV > > Nanook wrote: > > It definitely affects the chemical process in terms of combustion > completeness because I used a sniffer to look at the exhaust with it turned on > and off and it makes a HUGE difference in both hydrocarbons and CO output, both > go to almost zero with it on, and were in a range normal for that car (pre > catalytic converter) with it off. > > However, that said, even with it off, the amount of gasoline that wasn't > combusted isn't enough to account for a significant change in milage but it did > make a 43.75% improvement in town and 30.43% improvement highway. > > I don't know that you'd see the same improvements on a modern closed cycle > computer controlled fuel injected car as it did on the old carburated > non-computer controlled, no closed cycle car. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Keith E. Millard wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:14 -0700 > > From: Keith E. Millard > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > > Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:20 -0700 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > Engine knock/pinging, which is explosive combustion or premature > > ignition rather than properly-timed rapid burning, is related to: > > too-high compression ratio, poor combustion chamber design, carbon > > build-up, excess engine temperature, too-hot heat range spark plugs, > > too-early spark timing, or low-octane-rating/poor quality fuel. Water > > injection cools and slows the burning process, so even if the ignition > > is too advanced (or any of the other above factors), the pressure > > build-up during the power stroke is delayed/slowed enough to allow the > > piston to pass top-dead-center and reduce or prevent knock/pinging. I > > don't believe that the injected water would enter into the chemical > > process in any appreciable amount. Octane rating of fuel is related to > > how rapidly the fuel burns (higher=slower). I'm surprised that the > > racing community is not into this big-time! > > Keith > > > > > > > --0-945226795-1177795004=:72887 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If the velocity were high enough, a smaller tube might work.  However, it would clog with less condensation.  Maybe the return tube should be larger, so it wouldn't plug up?  This might require a fan at the manifold, to keep from losing vacuum.  It would be worth a little complexity, if I could get the extra performance you mention.

Nanook <nanook@eskimo.com> wrote:

Actually, a much simpler fix might be to make the return tube much
smaller, creating a higher velocity, and not allowing time for the vapor to
condense.

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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Jerry Volland wrote:

> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jerry Volland
> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water
> Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:15 -0700
> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
>
> Nanook,
>
> What you said about using a sniffer reminds me of an experiment I once did using something called a Rankine Vortex Tube. This has a spiraling chamber which makes the input gas swirl around between two washers, one with a smaller hole than the other. Hotter gasses swirl to the inside of the vortex and exit through the smaller hole, while cooler, slower moving gasses stay closer to the outside, and exit through the larger hole.
>
> My reasoning was that this effect should also work with lighter gasses, such as CO, going out through the smaller hole. So I made one which fit over my exhaust pipe and routed a plastic tube from the desired output back to the manifold vacuum. When I took the truck to the dealership and had them take a smog reading, the CO level went from over 1% without the device to .02% with it installed.
>
> Both the technician and I thought I had something. But then a glitch developed. For some reason, the plastic return tube started filling up with water. There was a little plug of water nore than 1/2" long every couple of feet. After three or four of them formed, the manifold vacuum lacked the power to pull them any further, and the system failed, as an anti smog application.
>
> It turns out that water vapor is the lightest molecule in the exhaust, so this is why so much water vapor was going out through the smaller hole and condencing. (Burning one gallon of gasoline produces numerous gallons of water.) If this system could be used with a much smaller output hole on that side, it might be a practical method for injecting water vapor into the engine. Of course, the return tube might have to be heated to prevent condensation. Or, condensation might be diverted, as a source of extra water.
>
> Of course, all this is based on the presumption that it's not water evaporating in the cylinder which improves the performance. (The drop in CO indicates some similarity with your test.) And it may be that gasoline forms a film on the surface of small water droplets, allowing more complete combustion.
>
> JV
>
> Nanook wrote:
>
> It definitely affects the chemical process in terms of combustion
> completeness because I used a sniffer to look at the exhaust with it turned on
> and off and it makes a HUGE difference in both hydrocarbons and CO output, both
> go to almost zero with it on, and were in a range normal for that car (pre
> catalytic converter) with it off.
>
> However, that said, even with it off, the amount of gasoline that wasn't
> combusted isn't enough to account for a significant change in milage but it did
> make a 43.75% improvement in town and 30.43% improvement highway.
>
> I don't know that you'd see the same improvements on a modern closed cycle
> computer controlled fuel injected car as it did on the old carburated
> non-computer controlled, no closed cycle car.
>
> -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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> Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers.
> See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874.
>
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Keith E. Millard wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:14 -0700
> > From: Keith E. Millard
> > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
> > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water
> > Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:20 -0700
> > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
> >
> > Engine knock/pinging, which is explosive combustion or premature
> > ignition rather than properly-timed rapid burning, is related to:
> > too-high compression ratio, poor combustion chamber design, carbon
> > build-up, excess engine temperature, too-hot heat range spark plugs,
> > too-early spark timing, or low-octane-rating/poor quality fuel. Water
> > injection cools and slows the burning process, so even if the ignition
> > is too advanced (or any of the other above factors), the pressure
> > build-up during the power stroke is delayed/slowed enough to allow the
> > piston to pass top-dead-center and reduce or prevent knock/pinging. I
> > don't believe that the injected water would enter into the chemical
> > process in any appreciable amount. Octane rating of fuel is related to
> > how rapidly the fuel burns (higher=slower). I'm surprised that the
> > racing community is not into this big-time!
> > Keith
> >
> >
>
>
>


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For those of you following the "car that runs on water" postings, here is a way to utilize water injection with todays computer controlled engines.

It is free, relatively simple and works!
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Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 28 14:22:21 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SLMEp1017298; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:22:14 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l3SLMCiX017287; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:22:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:22:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water In-Reply-To: <564982.72887.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25682 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 344 You are only going to get condensation if the exhaust temperature is allowed to drop below the boiling point of water. Some exhaust systems do this normally (GM cars always dripping water from the tailpipe), but usually exhaust systems are designed to avoid this because the condensation pooling in the tailpipe causes it to rust. That's one of the problems with putting the big low back pressure exhaust systems on cars to increase horsepower and fuel economy, the larger diameter pipe results in lower velocity and more surface area to remove heat and allow condensation to happen. What if, instead of doing it at the tail end of the exhaust, you did it right at the output of the headers / exhaust manifold, then you eliminate the return tube and much of the water vapor that would have gone into the exhaust in the first place. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Jerry Volland wrote: > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:16:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jerry Volland > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:16:45 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > If the velocity were high enough, a smaller tube might work. However, it would clog with less condensation. Maybe the return tube should be larger, so it wouldn't plug up? This might require a fan at the manifold, to keep from losing vacuum. It would be worth a little complexity, if I could get the extra performance you mention. > > Nanook wrote: > Actually, a much simpler fix might be to make the return tube much > smaller, creating a higher velocity, and not allowing time for the vapor to > condense. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Jerry Volland wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Jerry Volland > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > > Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:15 -0700 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > Nanook, > > > > What you said about using a sniffer reminds me of an experiment I once did using something called a Rankine Vortex Tube. This has a spiraling chamber which makes the input gas swirl around between two washers, one with a smaller hole than the other. Hotter gasses swirl to the inside of the vortex and exit through the smaller hole, while cooler, slower moving gasses stay closer to the outside, and exit through the larger hole. > > > > My reasoning was that this effect should also work with lighter gasses, such as CO, going out through the smaller hole. So I made one which fit over my exhaust pipe and routed a plastic tube from the desired output back to the manifold vacuum. When I took the truck to the dealership and had them take a smog reading, the CO level went from over 1% without the device to .02% with it installed. > > > > Both the technician and I thought I had something. But then a glitch developed. For some reason, the plastic return tube started filling up with water. There was a little plug of water nore than 1/2" long every couple of feet. After three or four of them formed, the manifold vacuum lacked the power to pull them any further, and the system failed, as an anti smog application. > > > > It turns out that water vapor is the lightest molecule in the exhaust, so this is why so much water vapor was going out through the smaller hole and condencing. (Burning one gallon of gasoline produces numerous gallons of water.) If this system could be used with a much smaller output hole on that side, it might be a practical method for injecting water vapor into the engine. Of course, the return tube might have to be heated to prevent condensation. Or, condensation might be diverted, as a source of extra water. > > > > Of course, all this is based on the presumption that it's not water evaporating in the cylinder which improves the performance. (The drop in CO indicates some similarity with your test.) And it may be that gasoline forms a film on the surface of small water droplets, allowing more complete combustion. > > > > JV > > > > Nanook wrote: > > > > It definitely affects the chemical process in terms of combustion > > completeness because I used a sniffer to look at the exhaust with it turned on > > and off and it makes a HUGE difference in both hydrocarbons and CO output, both > > go to almost zero with it on, and were in a range normal for that car (pre > > catalytic converter) with it off. > > > > However, that said, even with it off, the amount of gasoline that wasn't > > combusted isn't enough to account for a significant change in milage but it did > > make a 43.75% improvement in town and 30.43% improvement highway. > > > > I don't know that you'd see the same improvements on a modern closed cycle > > computer controlled fuel injected car as it did on the old carburated > > non-computer controlled, no closed cycle car. > > > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Keith E. Millard wrote: > > > > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:14 -0700 > > > From: Keith E. Millard > > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: [FG]: The car that runs on water > > > Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:20 -0700 > > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > > > Engine knock/pinging, which is explosive combustion or premature > > > ignition rather than properly-timed rapid burning, is related to: > > > too-high compression ratio, poor combustion chamber design, carbon > > > build-up, excess engine temperature, too-hot heat range spark plugs, > > > too-early spark timing, or low-octane-rating/poor quality fuel. Water > > > injection cools and slows the burning process, so even if the ignition > > > is too advanced (or any of the other above factors), the pressure > > > build-up during the power stroke is delayed/slowed enough to allow the > > > piston to pass top-dead-center and reduce or prevent knock/pinging. I > > > don't believe that the injected water would enter into the chemical > > > process in any appreciable amount. Octane rating of fuel is related to > > > how rapidly the fuel burns (higher=slower). I'm surprised that the > > > racing community is not into this big-time! > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 8 13:17:24 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l48KGxZk004244; Tue, 8 May 2007 13:16:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l48KGvBc004224; Tue, 8 May 2007 13:16:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:16:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [130.179.164.58] X-Originating-Email: [atill_a@hotmail.com] X-Sender: atill_a@hotmail.com From: "Ati lla" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:16:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2007 20:16:56.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3211980:01C791AD] Resent-Message-ID: <5he6gB.A.3BB.4qNQGB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25683 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Keely motor company Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 345



To Whom It May Concern,

Recently I've been doing some reading concerning Keely's motor, which so far as I've read was capable of producing pressures in excess of 25000 psi. This being achieved through acoustical resonance. I was wondering if there are any diagrams of his apparatus available anywhwere.

It seems apparent that he stumbled upon a condition necessary to tap the ZPE by creating at the same time a zone of rarefaction where further resonance is able to produce QED processes. Any comments or diagrams regarding this line of thought would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

Atilla Garay  B.Sc.M.E.


Live U's list of the best places to Eat, Study & Party From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 8 13:20:38 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l48KKJxj006986; Tue, 8 May 2007 13:20:19 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l48KKHpH006961; Tue, 8 May 2007 13:20:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:20:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [130.179.164.58] X-Originating-Email: [atill_a@hotmail.com] X-Sender: atill_a@hotmail.com From: "Ati lla" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:20:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2007 20:20:15.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A142640:01C791AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25684 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Keely motor company Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 346





To Whom It May Concern,

Recently I've been doing some reading concerning Keely's motor, which so far as I've read was capable of producing pressures in excess of 25000 psi. This being achieved through acoustical resonance. I was wondering if there are any diagrams of his apparatus available anywhwere.

It seems apparent that he stumbled upon a condition necessary to tap the ZPE by creating at the same time a zone of rarefaction where further resonance is able to produce QED processes. Any comments or diagrams regarding this line of thought would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

Atilla Garay  B.Sc.M.E.


Live U's list of the best places to Eat, Study & Party From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 8 23:41:44 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l496fTeu004684; Tue, 8 May 2007 23:41:29 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l496fN68004624; Tue, 8 May 2007 23:41:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:41:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.205.197.54] X-Originating-Email: [poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: poiuytrew_1@hotmail.com From: "G N" To: References: Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:40:24 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7921E.11DA1E90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2007 06:41:21.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E2AB480:01C79205] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25685 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Keely motor company Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 347 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7921E.11DA1E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would find it usefull if you could provide some links on your = readings. thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ati lla=20 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:16 PM Subject: [FG]: Keely motor company To Whom It May Concern, Recently I've been doing some reading concerning Keely's motor, which = so far as I've read was capable of producing pressures in excess of = 25000 psi. This being achieved through acoustical resonance. I was = wondering if there are any diagrams of his apparatus available = anywhwere.=20 It seems apparent that he stumbled upon a condition necessary to tap = the ZPE by creating at the same time a zone of rarefaction where further = resonance is able to produce QED processes. Any comments or diagrams = regarding this line of thought would be appreciated. Sincerely, Atilla Garay B.Sc.M.E. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Live U's list of the best places to Eat, Study & Party ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7921E.11DA1E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would find it usefull if you could = provide some=20 links on your readings.
 
thanks
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ati = lla=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 = 11:16=20 PM
Subject: [FG]: Keely motor = company



To Whom It May Concern,

Recently I've been doing some reading concerning Keely's motor, = which so=20 far as I've read was capable of producing pressures in excess of 25000 = psi.=20 This being achieved through acoustical resonance. I was wondering if = there are=20 any diagrams of his apparatus available anywhwere.

It seems apparent that he stumbled upon a condition necessary to = tap the=20 ZPE by creating at the same time a zone of rarefaction where further = resonance=20 is able to produce QED processes. Any comments or diagrams regarding = this line=20 of thought would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

Atilla Garay  B.Sc.M.E.


Live U's list of the best places to = Eat, Study=20 & Party ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7921E.11DA1E90-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 9 04:53:44 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l49BrZat030522; Wed, 9 May 2007 04:53:35 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l49BrWql030512; Wed, 9 May 2007 04:53:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 04:53:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <4641B662.6020908@dreamsolutions.pt> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 12:54:10 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?U8OpcmdpbyBCZXJuYXJkbw==?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060004030508010701070500" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at InterHost mail service X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25686 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Keely motor company Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 348 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060004030508010701070500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! Seems like this is an old and tipical history of perpetual motion claim :-) http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/keely/keely-h.htm -- Sérgio Bernardo G N wrote: > I would find it usefull if you could provide some links on your readings. > > thanks > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ati lla > *To:* freenrg-L@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:16 PM > *Subject:* [FG]: Keely motor company > > > > To Whom It May Concern, > > Recently I've been doing some reading concerning Keely's motor, > which so far as I've read was capable of producing pressures in > excess of 25000 psi. This being achieved through acoustical > resonance. I was wondering if there are any diagrams of his > apparatus available anywhwere. > > It seems apparent that he stumbled upon a condition necessary to > tap the ZPE by creating at the same time a zone of rarefaction > where further resonance is able to produce QED processes. Any > comments or diagrams regarding this line of thought would be > appreciated. > > Sincerely, > > Atilla Garay B.Sc.M.E. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live U's list of the best places to Eat, Study & Party > > --------------060004030508010701070500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi!

Seems like this is an old and tipical history of perpetual motion claim :-)

    http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/keely/keely-h.htm

--
Sérgio Bernardo


G N wrote:
I would find it usefull if you could provide some links on your readings.
 
thanks
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ati lla
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:16 PM
Subject: [FG]: Keely motor company



To Whom It May Concern,

Recently I've been doing some reading concerning Keely's motor, which so far as I've read was capable of producing pressures in excess of 25000 psi. This being achieved through acoustical resonance. I was wondering if there are any diagrams of his apparatus available anywhwere.

It seems apparent that he stumbled upon a condition necessary to tap the ZPE by creating at the same time a zone of rarefaction where further resonance is able to produce QED processes. Any comments or diagrams regarding this line of thought would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

Atilla Garay  B.Sc.M.E.


Live U's list of the best places to Eat, Study & Party
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Greetings!
 
Have been away from the list for awhile...
 
Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free energy?
 
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The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman

    5/17/07

A NEW SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLE
IS DEMONSTRATED IN MOBILE, ALABAMA!

The video.google.com link below features a new demonstration of Joseph Newman's revolutionary
energy machine technology and fulfills the promise made by Joseph Newman in April 2007. 

The amazing results of this new energy technology as shown in the video speak for themselves!       

Contact Joe Nolfe at (205) 835-9022 for further details about the energy machine technology.


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Thanks!
 
Has anyone got any feedback, pro or con, relating?
 
TH

 
On 5/16/07, JNPCo. <josephnewman@earthlink.net> wrote:
The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman

    5/17/07

A NEW SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLE
IS DEMONSTRATED IN MOBILE, ALABAMA!

The video.google.com link below features a new demonstration of Joseph Newman's revolutionary
energy machine technology and fulfills the promise made by Joseph Newman in April 2007. 

The amazing results of this new energy technology as shown in the video speak for themselves!       

Contact Joe Nolfe at (205) 835-9022 for further details about the energy machine technology.



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Lee Iacocca is 80 and just came out with this book.  I love it!!!

Excerpt
Where Have All the Leaders Gone?
By Lee Iacocca with Catherine Whitney

Had Enough?
Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course."

Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!

You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies. Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have.

My friends tell me to calm down. They say, "Lee, you're eighty-two years old. Leave the rage to the young people." I'd love to--- as soon as I can pry them away from their iPods for five seconds and get them to pay attention. I'm going to speak up because it's my patriotic duty. I think people will listen to me. They say I have a reputation as a straight shooter. So I'll tell you how I see it, and it's not pretty, but at least it's real. I'm hoping to strike a nerve in those young folks who say they don't vote because they don't trust politicians to represent their interests. Hey, America, wake up. These guys work for us.

Who Are These Guys, Anyway?
Why are we in this mess? How did we end up with this crowd in Washington? Well, we voted for them--- or at least some of us did. But I'll tell you what we didn't do. We didn't agree to suspend the Constitution. We didn't agree to stop asking questions or demanding answers. Some of us are sick and tired of people who call free speech treason. Where I come from that's a dictatorship, not a democracy.

And don't tell me it's all the fault of right-wing Republicans or liberal Democrats. That's an intellectually lazy argument, and it's part of the reason we're in this stew. We're not just a nation of factions. We're a people. We share common principles and ideals. And we rise and fall together.

Where are the voices of leaders who can inspire us to action and make us stand taller? What happened to the strong and resolute party of Lincoln? What happened to the courageous, populist party of FDR and Truman? There was a time in this country when the voices of great leaders lifted us up and made us want to do better. Where have all the leaders gone?

The Test of a Leader
I've never been Commander in Chief, but I've been a CEO. I understand a few things about leadership at the top. I've figured out nine points--- not ten (I don't want people accusing me of thinking I'm Moses). I call them the "Nine Cs of Leadership." They're not fancy or complicated. Just clear, obvious qualities that every true leader should have. We should look at how the current administration stacks up. Like it or not, this crew is going to be around until January 2009. Maybe we can learn something before we go to the polls in 2008. Then let's be sure we use the leadership test to screen the candidates who say they want to run the country. It's up to us to choose wisely.

So, here's my C list:
A leader has to show CURIOSITY. He has to listen to people outside of the "Yes, sir" crowd in his inner circle. He has to read voraciously, because the world is a big, complicated place. George W. Bush brags about never reading a newspaper. "I just scan the headlines," he says. Am I hearing this right? He's the President of the United States and he never reads a newspaper? Thomas Jefferson once said, "Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the latter." Bush disagrees. As long as he gets his daily hour in the gym, with Fox News piped through the sound system, he's ready to go.

If a leader never steps outside his comfort zone to hear different ideas, he grows stale. If he doesn't put his beliefs to the test, how does he know he's right? The inability to listen is a form of arrogance. It means either you think you already know it all, or you just don't care. Before the 2006 election, George Bush made a big point of saying he didn't listen to the polls. Yeah, that's what they all say when the polls stink. But maybe he should have listened, because 70 percent of the people were saying he was on the wrong track. It took a "thumping" on election day to wake him up, but even then you got the feeling he wasn't listening so much as he was calculating how to do a better job of convincing everyone he was right.

A leader has to be CREATIVE, go out on a limb, be willing to try something different. You know, think outside the box. George Bush prides himself on never changing, even as the world around him is spinning out of control. God forbid someone should accuse him of flip-flopping. There's a disturbingly messianic fervor to his certainty. Senator Joe Biden recalled a conversation he had with Bush a few months after our troops marched into Baghdad. Joe was in the Oval Office outlining his concerns to the President--- the explosive mix of Shiite and Sunni, the disbanded Iraqi army, the problems securing the oil fields. "The President was serene," Joe recalled. "He told me he was sure that we were on the right course and that all would be well. 'Mr. President,' I finally said, 'how can you be so sure when you don't yet know all the facts?'" Bush then reached over and put a steadying hand on Joe's shoulder. "My instincts," he said. "My instincts." Joe was flabbergasted. He told Bush, "Mr. Pre
sident, your instincts aren't good enough." Joe Biden sure didn't think the matter was settled. And, as we all know now, it wasn't.

Leadership is all about managing change--- whether you're leading a company or leading a country. Things change, and you get creative. You adapt. Maybe Bush was absent the day they covered that at Harvard Business School.

A leader has to COMMUNICATE. I'm not talking about running off at the mouth or spouting sound bites. I'm talking about facing reality and telling the truth. Nobody in the current administration seems to know how to talk straight anymore. Instead, they spend most of their time trying to convince us that things are not really as bad as they seem. I don't know if it's denial or dishonesty, but it can start to drive you crazy after a while. Communication has to start with telling the truth, even when it's painful. The war in Iraq has been, among other things, a grand failure of communication. Bush is like the boy who didn't cry wolf when the wolf was at the door. After years of being told that all is well, even as the casualties and chaos mount, we've stopped listening to him.

A leader has to be a person of CHARACTER. That means knowing the difference between right and wrong and having the guts to do the right thing. Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you want to test a man's character, give him power." George Bush has a lot of power. What does it say about his character? Bush has shown a willingness to take bold action on the world stage because he has the power, but he shows little regard for the grievous consequences. He has sent our troops (not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens) to their deaths--- for what? To build our oil reserves? To avenge his daddy because Saddam Hussein once tried to have him killed? To show his daddy he's tougher? The motivations behind the war in Iraq are questionable, and the execution of the war has been a disaster. A man of character does not ask a single soldier to die for a failed policy.

A leader must have COURAGE. I'm talking about balls. (That even goes for female leaders.) Swagger isn't courage. Tough talk isn't courage. George Bush comes from a blue-blooded Connecticut family, but he likes to talk like a cowboy. You know, My gun is bigger than your gun. Courage in the twenty-first century doesn't mean posturing and bravado. Courage is a commitment to sit down at the negotiating table and talk.

If you're a politician, courage means taking a position even when you know it will cost you votes. Bush can't even make a public appearance unless the audience has been handpicked and sanitized. He did a series of so-called town hall meetings last year, in auditoriums packed with his most devoted fans. The questions were all softballs.

To be a leader you've got to have CONVICTION--- a fire in your belly. You've got to have passion. You've got to really want to get something done. How do you measure fire in the belly? Bush has set the all-time record for number of vacation days taken by a U.S. President--- four hundred and counting. He'd rather clear brush on his ranch than immerse himself in the business of governing. He even told an interviewer that the high point of his presidency so far was catching a seven-and-a-half-pound perch in his hand-stocked lake.

It's no better on Capitol Hill. Congress was in session only ninety-seven days in 2006. That's eleven days less than the record set in 1948, when President Harry Truman coined the term do-nothing Congress. Most people would expect to be fired if they worked so little and had nothing to show for it. But Congress managed to find the time to vote itself a raise. Now, that's not leadership.

A leader should have CHARISMA. I'm not talking about being flashy. Charisma is the quality that makes people want to follow you. It's the ability to inspire. People follow a leader because they trust him. That's my definition of charisma. Maybe George Bush is a great guy to hang out with at a barbecue or a ball game. But put him at a global summit where the future of our planet is at stake, and he doesn't look very presidential.

Those frat-boy pranks and the kidding around he enjoys so much don't go over that well with world leaders. Just ask German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who received an unwelcome shoulder massage from our President at a G-8 Summit. When he came up behind her and started squeezing, I thought she was going to go right through the roof.

A leader has to be COMPETENT. That seems obvious, doesn't it? You've got to know what you're doing. More important than that, you've got to surround yourself with people who know what they're doing. Bush brags about being our first MBA President. Does that make him competent? Well, let's see. Thanks to our first MBA President, we've got the largest deficit in history, Social Security is on life support, and we've run up a half-a-trillion-dollar price tag (so far) in Iraq. And that's just for starters. A leader has to be a problem solver, and the biggest problems we face as a nation seem to be on the back burner.

You can't be a leader if you don't have COMMON SENSE. I call this Charlie Beacham's rule. When I was a young guy just starting out in the car business, one of my first jobs was as Ford's zone manager in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. My boss was a guy named Charlie Beacham, who was the East Coast regional manager. Charlie was a big Southerner, with a warm drawl, a huge smile, and a core of steel. Charlie used to tell me, "Remember, Lee, the only thing you've got going for you as a human being is your ability to reason and your common sense. If you don't know a dip of horseshit from a dip of vanilla ice cream, you'll never make it." George Bush doesn't have common sense. He just has a lot of sound bites. You know--Mr.they'll-welcome-us-as-liberators-no-child-left-behind-heck-of-a-job-Brownie-mission-accomplished Bush.

Former President Bill Clinton once said, "I grew up in an alcoholic home. I spent half my childhood trying to get into the reality-based world--- and I like it here."

I think our current President should visit the real world once in a while.

The Biggest C is Crisis
Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. Where was George Bush? He was reading a story about a pet goat to kids in Florida when he heard about the attacks. He kept sitting there for twenty minutes with a baffled look on his face. It's all on tape. You can see it for yourself. Then, instead of taking the quickest route back to Washington and immediately going on the air to reassure the panicked people of this country, he decided it wasn't safe to return to the White House. He basically went into hiding for the day--- and he told Vice President Dick Cheney to stay put in his bunker. We were all frozen in front of our TVs, scared out of our wits, waiting for our leaders to tell us that we were going to be okay, and there was nobody home. It took Bush a couple of days to get his bearings and devise the right photo op at Ground Zero.

That was George Bush's moment of truth, and he was paralyzed. And what did he do when he'd regained his composure? He led us down the road to Iraq--- a road his own father had considered disastrous when he was President. But Bush didn't listen to Daddy. He listened to a higher father. He prides himself on being faith based, not reality based. If that doesn't scare the crap out of you, I don't know what will.

A Hell of a Mess
So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for leadership.

But when you look around, you've got to ask: "Where have all the leaders gone?" Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, competence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm.

Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when "the Big Three" referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen--- and more important, what are we going to do about it?

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.

I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bobblehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?

Had Enough?
Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope. I believe in America. In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises--- the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Kennedy assassination, the Vietnam War, the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this: You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action.

Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to action for people who, like me, believe in America. It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the horseshit and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had enough.



Excerpted from Where Have All the Leaders Gone?. Copyright © 2007 by Lee Iacocca. All rights reserved.

More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 18 07:55:53 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4IDU3a7022981; Fri, 18 May 2007 06:32:45 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4IBL2rg004932; Fri, 18 May 2007 04:21:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 04:21:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mcn.net; b=K3qYaReETlpTEA4qY7JTT7Dv1EL3YKzGuDxCXOIj48UzDwebBwAHuiry7qjVi42z; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <18586769.1179484823141.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 06:40:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: larrycanada@mcn.net Reply-To: larrycanada@mcn.net To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: *******VIDEO LINK TO THE NEW ENERGY MACHINE DEMONSTRATION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 5b4123c70e52e9bed706209db9e096850e74e32b2412d3e62a9588d2951010216a4e7fdd0b1ca4d1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25692 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 354 I watched the video, a real disappointment, nothing but a lot of ramblings.  No substance and Joe did not convey what he was trying to prove.  He did state that the government and big business are buying everyone off.  His proof of negative energy was a mechanical amp meter that bounced up to four amps and when it fell back it went slightly below the zero. He claims that since the needle bounces below the zero he has done what no one else has ever done and that is to prove negative energy.  He said his motor would charge the batteries while running off the batteries but the motor stopped during the test.  He said it blew a diode. 
Larry
From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 29 20:40:35 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4U3eIJt008552; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:40:18 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4U3eG3b008504; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:40:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:40:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:40:07 -0500 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: "JNPCo." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1031626084==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25683 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: ******JOSEPH NEWMAN TO BE FEATURED ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 355 --============_-1031626084==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ******JOSEPH NEWMAN TO BE FEATURED ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL Energy machine inventor Joseph Newman will be featured on THE SCIENCE CHANNEL four (4) times this coming Friday night & Saturday early morning/morning/night, June 1st & June 2nd. Please consult your local listings for details. Also, here's the weblink address for the Science Channel broadcast times featuring Joseph Newman: http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.13776.120356.11352.x Please let others know about the upcoming broadcasts! Best regards, Evan Soule' JNPCo./NECorp. http://www.josephnewman.com Important video seen at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en For additional information, please contact: Mr. Joseph Nolfe President & CEO Newman Energy Corporation (205) 835-9022 --============_-1031626084==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" ******JOSEPH NEWMAN TO BE FEATURED ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL
******JOSEPH NEWMAN TO BE FEATURED ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL

Energy machine inventor Joseph Newman will be featured on THE SCIENCE CHANNEL four (4) times this coming Friday night & Saturday early morning/morning/night, June 1st & June 2nd.

Please consult your local listings for details.

Also, here's the weblink address for the Science Channel broadcast times featuring Joseph Newman:

http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.13776.120356.11352.x

Please let others know about the upcoming broadcasts!

Best regards,

Evan Soule'
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http://www.josephnewman.com
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en

For additional information, please contact:

Mr. Joseph Nolfe
President & CEO
Newman Energy Corporation
(205) 835-9022
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Hi, Timothy.
 
The hottest thing right now is graphene.  This is a form of = graphite which is only one or two atomic layers thick.  = Scientists have discovered that this substance will accelerate a cloud of = electrons with no external energy added.  Also, the shock of = acceleration can convert the electrons into a type of massless Fermion = called Dirac Quasiparticles.  Apparently, the mass of the electrons = is converted into energy, yielding a field of bright white energy which = has considerably more energy than input.
 
Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a couple of coils, a = cap, and a magnet which is self oscillating, producing enough energy to = power a computer cooling fan.  One guy said he left his running = continuously for 30 days, and it was still operating.
 


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Have been away from the list for awhile...
 
Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free = energy?
 
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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 30 09:34:12 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4UGXmNB028681; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:33:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4UGXktT028654; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:33:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:33:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6g4ZrCoHTUeiHTo0a1XJEUob+Og0UXpBUSqXFOm7ZP9J9YuPF5YjpEheDPOiV8yVmaLDnTdKuX0AU46esEoO8gL5PpbGi8iuRKYWvC08dW8xHj1QUUeYtPGRghVthicG1C3hqAw1H1ZUgfM+CWxH+L1ef/Kie+heBeBUAnYvBtc=; X-YMail-OSG: ZHPrO1kVM1lT2JAKoWPe9Of4OmcrEG1HuXmMzyd1Gl6mHzRD6hVn3Py5Z.T2eOb7NML92d647taftAt7gzb8NAh1P_sIBpD22hxsuyfDFiCSG7C6OtI- Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: bret cherry Subject: RE: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <09FBB4C571E.000002F1jerryvolland@inbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <812634.59338.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25685 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 357 Thanks Jerry. Homopolar generators seem very interesting. While they produce high current low voltage DC, has anyone ever used (or read about) one of these generators with an invertor to produce AC? Or transform the DC current to voltage for long distance transmission? (some devices on the marker are capable of this, such as some advanced solar PV charge controllers, especially those designed by the engineering company Outback) Thanks! BreTT --- Jerry Volland wrote: --------------------------------- Hi, Timothy. The hottest thing right now is graphene. This is a form of graphite which is only one or two atomic layers thick. Scientists have discovered that this substance will accelerate a cloud of electrons with no external energy added. Also, the shock of acceleration can convert the electrons into a type of massless Fermion called Dirac Quasiparticles. Apparently, the mass of the electrons is converted into energy, yielding a field of bright white energy which has considerably more energy than input. Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a couple of coils, a cap, and a magnet which is self oscillating, producing enough energy to power a computer cooling fan. One guy said he left his running continuously for 30 days, and it was still operating. http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2381 -----Original Message----- From: srcenter@gmail.com Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:26:31 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! Greetings! Have been away from the list for awhile... Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free energy? timothy h --------------------------------- Free 3D Earth Screensaver - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth ____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 30 10:49:05 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4UHmlIY001177; Wed, 30 May 2007 10:48:47 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4UHmjjJ001151; Wed, 30 May 2007 10:48:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:48:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:48:40 -0800 Message-ID: <0B6D69F1918.00000479jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <812634.59338.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <09fbb4c571e.000002f1jerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: rUQURU6jR_zsz_8k3IwqDcmEwhECaH_DgdGwJAeUrSIvE9jpaADBPwKeOlMT ThRGMwIPRXoY81e8kHMKEqpNHC4CfpcFNrsRz3fXdVbYsWOFRvWNtZOggbKs --U15tSv0LoU2RMJwkyMBvg@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25686 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 358 Hi, Brett. None of the links I've been following mention using an inverter. It seems = to me, though, that if this system were replicated with many more turns of = finer wire, the output might be suitable for use as you mention. It's = certainly something to think about. Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: thebirdzine=40yahoo.com > Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:33:43 -0700 (PDT) > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: RE: =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >=20 > Thanks Jerry. Homopolar generators seem very > interesting. While they produce high current low > voltage DC, has anyone ever used (or read about) one > of these generators with an invertor to produce AC? > Or transform the DC current to voltage for long > distance transmission? (some devices on the marker > are capable of this, such as some advanced solar PV > charge controllers, especially those designed by the > engineering company Outback) >=20 > Thanks=21 >=20 > BreTT >=20 > --- Jerry Volland wrote: >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Hi, Timothy. >=20 > The hottest thing right now is graphene. This is a > form of graphite which is only one or two atomic > layers thick. Scientists have discovered that this > substance will accelerate a cloud of electrons with no > external energy added. Also, the shock of > acceleration can convert the electrons into a type of > massless Fermion called Dirac Quasiparticles. > Apparently, the mass of the electrons is converted > into energy, yielding a field of bright white energy > which has considerably more energy than input. >=20 > Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a > couple of coils, a cap, and a magnet which is self > oscillating, producing enough energy to power a > computer cooling fan. One guy said he left his > running continuously for 30 days, and it was still > operating. >=20 > http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=3D2381 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: srcenter=40gmail.com > Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:26:31 -0500 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >=20 >=20 > Greetings=21 >=20 > Have been away from the list for awhile... >=20 > Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free > energy? >=20 > timothy h >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Free 3D Earth Screensaver - Watch the Earth right on > your desktop=21 > Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= _________Be > a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo=21 Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=3Dlist&sid=3D396545433 ____________________________________________________________ FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and = family=21 Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 30 12:33:24 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4UJXAig023993; Wed, 30 May 2007 12:33:10 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4UJX8l1023986; Wed, 30 May 2007 12:33:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:33:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! In-Reply-To: <812634.59338.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25688 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 359 I don't know how efficient homopolar generators are. The thing that is interesting about them is that they work at all. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Wed, 30 May 2007, bret cherry wrote: > Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:33:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: bret cherry > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! > Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:33:46 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Thanks Jerry. Homopolar generators seem very > interesting. While they produce high current low > voltage DC, has anyone ever used (or read about) one > of these generators with an invertor to produce AC? > Or transform the DC current to voltage for long > distance transmission? (some devices on the marker > are capable of this, such as some advanced solar PV > charge controllers, especially those designed by the > engineering company Outback) > > Thanks! > > BreTT > > --- Jerry Volland wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Hi, Timothy. > > The hottest thing right now is graphene. This is a > form of graphite which is only one or two atomic > layers thick. Scientists have discovered that this > substance will accelerate a cloud of electrons with no > external energy added. Also, the shock of > acceleration can convert the electrons into a type of > massless Fermion called Dirac Quasiparticles. > Apparently, the mass of the electrons is converted > into energy, yielding a field of bright white energy > which has considerably more energy than input. > > Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a > couple of coils, a cap, and a magnet which is self > oscillating, producing enough energy to power a > computer cooling fan. One guy said he left his > running continuously for 30 days, and it was still > operating. > > http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2381 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: srcenter@gmail.com > Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:26:31 -0500 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! > > > Greetings! > > Have been away from the list for awhile... > > Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free > energy? > > timothy h > > > > --------------------------------- > Free 3D Earth Screensaver - Watch the Earth right on > your desktop! > Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 30 17:32:43 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4V0WSjZ023486; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:32:28 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4V0WPKL023470; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:32:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:32:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:32:22 -0800 Message-ID: <0EF3C00ADFC.00000721jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: <812634.59338.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: BzXQKJ4ICXjGId8BHyt85GHVH0iU7-LSHMx4zeHLFxJPhtKCFZIrM1bNXhjf a9iAZzNCvoG4Hg4uxlw2tzATHu5wGk3td4UDtQEkFrkt_4TLtWXnRBOJ7lTp A1WqfLAW3W8Guz2D0FupA4g@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25689 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 360 The thing which surprises me is that this system will work with no moving = parts. > -----Original Message----- > From: nanook=40eskimo.com > Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: RE: =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >=20 >=20 > I don't know how efficient homopolar generators are. The thing that > is > interesting about them is that they work at all. >=20 > = -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-= _-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and > Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) > 246-6874. >=20 > On Wed, 30 May 2007, bret cherry wrote: >=20 >> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:33:43 -0700 (PDT) >> From: bret cherry >> Reply-To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >> Subject: RE: =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >> Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:33:46 -0700 >> Resent-From: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >>=20 >> Thanks Jerry. Homopolar generators seem very >> interesting. While they produce high current low >> voltage DC, has anyone ever used (or read about) one >> of these generators with an invertor to produce AC? >> Or transform the DC current to voltage for long >> distance transmission? (some devices on the marker >> are capable of this, such as some advanced solar PV >> charge controllers, especially those designed by the >> engineering company Outback) >>=20 >> Thanks=21 >>=20 >> BreTT >>=20 >> --- Jerry Volland wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------- >> Hi, Timothy. >>=20 >> The hottest thing right now is graphene. This is a >> form of graphite which is only one or two atomic >> layers thick. Scientists have discovered that this >> substance will accelerate a cloud of electrons with no >> external energy added. Also, the shock of >> acceleration can convert the electrons into a type of >> massless Fermion called Dirac Quasiparticles. >> Apparently, the mass of the electrons is converted >> into energy, yielding a field of bright white energy >> which has considerably more energy than input. >>=20 >> Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a >> couple of coils, a cap, and a magnet which is self >> oscillating, producing enough energy to power a >> computer cooling fan. One guy said he left his >> running continuously for 30 days, and it was still >> operating. >>=20 >> http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=3D2381 >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: srcenter=40gmail.com >> Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:26:31 -0500 >> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >> Subject: =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >>=20 >>=20 >> Greetings=21 >>=20 >> Have been away from the list for awhile... >>=20 >> Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free >> energy? >>=20 >> timothy h >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------- >> Free 3D Earth Screensaver - Watch the Earth right on >> your desktop=21 >> Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= _________Be >> a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who >> knows. Yahoo=21 Answers - Check it out. >> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=3Dlist&sid=3D396545433 >>=20 >>=20 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 31 05:13:09 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4VCCrQT013667; Thu, 31 May 2007 05:12:53 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4VCCopV013638; Thu, 31 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <465E8417.1020904@rimstar.org> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:15:19 +0000 From: Steven Dufresne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Photon; U; QNX x86pc; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20030109 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! References: <09FBB4C571E.000002F1jerryvolland@inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25690 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 361 I looked into the pyramid structure last year and was all exited that the fellow seemed open enough judging from the video. But then I couldn't find him and there isn't enough detail in the video to duplicate it. Ideas that came up... Could the pyramid be a waveguide focusing microwaves to a usable point? It's facing downward so the microwaves would have to be coming from below. Could the rectangular tubing at the center be a lecher line, part of the capturing circuit? -Steve http://rimstar.org Jerry Volland wrote: > Hi, Timothy. > > The hottest thing right now is graphene. This is a form of graphite > which is only one or two atomic layers thick. Scientists have > discovered that this substance will accelerate a cloud of electrons with > no external energy added. Also, the shock of acceleration can convert > the electrons into a type of massless Fermion called Dirac > Quasiparticles. Apparently, the mass of the electrons is converted into > energy, yielding a field of bright white energy which has considerably > more energy than input. > > Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a couple of coils, a > cap, and a magnet which is self oscillating, producing enough energy to > power a computer cooling fan. One guy said he left his running > continuously for 30 days, and it was still operating. > > http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2381 > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* srcenter@gmail.com > *Sent:* Tue, 15 May 2007 13:26:31 -0500 > *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! > > Greetings! > > Have been away from the list for awhile... > > Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free energy? > > timothy h From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 31 06:00:54 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4VD0Y58007445; Thu, 31 May 2007 06:00:35 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4VD0WpU007420; Thu, 31 May 2007 06:00:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:00:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 05:00:32 -0800 Message-ID: <157C02091DE.00000A52jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <465E8417.1020904@rimstar.org> References: <09fbb4c571e.000002f1jerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: 0emspVoOOl5bB6N5Kt_KbkXGANdj3IB7MjZvzLjmBlrDjc6DEKebJkWCaLRD tQs8HBxD_bn6iMedZabEn8AauP0zfathmBbwJ-u-CL8UWu0TxRnyutwFq_8C kbKAilpnj_P_GG9ciWv6Clg@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25691 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 362 Hi, Steven. It never occured to me this might be a scam. What you say could be true. = Also, I see wires running off camera. I'll have to withhold judgement on = this for now. On another note, here's a message I just recieved from Kiril Chukanov, = about his Ball Lightning Quantum Free Energy, something I've been = following for a couple of years: Subject: Ball Lightning test Dear All, I just made my first test of ANLOTRON-1. Before this test I was afraid to see small QFE effect, so, all my efforts last twenty years to be in vain. I was delaying day after day the moment of test, but finally after strong pressure from the side of my investor I decided to make first test. What happened is hard to describe it. I decided to start with very nice excitement of my giant ball lightning: I just pulled very nicely the Evil's tail (the giant ball lightning), just one nice shut. The Evil's reaction, however, was tremendously horrible. My equipment was totally destroyed. Over-unity was maybe thousands of times, maybe more. And this just from one small shut. Quantum Free Energy was proven in full scale - much, much more than I expected in my best dreams=21 To be harnessed for practical use QFE needs big money and many specialists. QFE is the energy future of our civilization=21=21=21 QFE from giant ball lightning can produce power = enough to supply with electricity and other kind of energy whole city and whole country. On another hand, big ball lightning can destroy the whole city and whole country if =22excited=22 too much. Kind regards, Kiril Chukanov > -----Original Message----- > From: stevend=40rimstar.org > Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:15:19 +0000 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >=20 > I looked into the pyramid structure last year and was all exited > that the fellow seemed open enough judging from the video. But > then I couldn't find him and there isn't enough detail in the > video to duplicate it. >=20 > Ideas that came up... Could the pyramid be a waveguide focusing > microwaves to a usable point? It's facing downward so the > microwaves would have to be coming from below. Could the > rectangular tubing at the center be a lecher line, part of the > capturing circuit? >=20 > -Steve > http://rimstar.org >=20 > Jerry Volland wrote: >> Hi, Timothy. >>=20 >> The hottest thing right now is graphene. This is a form of graphite >> which is only one or two atomic layers thick. Scientists have >> discovered that this substance will accelerate a cloud of electrons with >> no external energy added. Also, the shock of acceleration can convert >> the electrons into a type of massless Fermion called Dirac >> Quasiparticles. Apparently, the mass of the electrons is converted into >> energy, yielding a field of bright white energy which has considerably >> more energy than input. >>=20 >> Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a couple of coils, a >> cap, and a magnet which is self oscillating, producing enough energy to >> power a computer cooling fan. One guy said he left his running >> continuously for 30 days, and it was still operating. >>=20 >> http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=3D2381 >> = >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* srcenter=40gmail.com >> *Sent:* Tue, 15 May 2007 13:26:31 -0500 >> *To:* freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >> *Subject:* =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >>=20 >> Greetings=21 >>=20 >> Have been away from the list for awhile... >>=20 >> Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free energy? >>=20 >> timothy h From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 31 09:55:46 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4VGtR6N011764; Thu, 31 May 2007 09:55:27 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4VGtP41011737; Thu, 31 May 2007 09:55:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:55:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: "Jeff Nelson" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:54:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcejhNBbkXgrBTX0RUObOUMK9EiMeQAH4eJQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <157C02091DE.00000A52jerryvolland@inbox.com> Disposition-Notification-To: "Jeff Nelson" X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <0aRErB.A.O3C.83vXGB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25693 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 363 unsubscribe Jeff Nelson Email: jpnel@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Volland [mailto:jerryvolland@inbox.com] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:01 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! Hi, Steven. It never occured to me this might be a scam. What you say could be true. Also, I see wires running off camera. I'll have to withhold judgement on this for now. On another note, here's a message I just recieved from Kiril Chukanov, about his Ball Lightning Quantum Free Energy, something I've been following for a couple of years: Subject: Ball Lightning test Dear All, I just made my first test of ANLOTRON-1. Before this test I was afraid to see small QFE effect, so, all my efforts last twenty years to be in vain. I was delaying day after day the moment of test, but finally after strong pressure from the side of my investor I decided to make first test. What happened is hard to describe it. I decided to start with very nice excitement of my giant ball lightning: I just pulled very nicely the Evil's tail (the giant ball lightning), just one nice shut. The Evil's reaction, however, was tremendously horrible. My equipment was totally destroyed. Over-unity was maybe thousands of times, maybe more. And this just from one small shut. Quantum Free Energy was proven in full scale - much, much more than I expected in my best dreams! To be harnessed for practical use QFE needs big money and many specialists. QFE is the energy future of our civilization!!! QFE from giant ball lightning can produce power enough to supply with electricity and other kind of energy whole city and whole country. On another hand, big ball lightning can destroy the whole city and whole country if "excited" too much. Kind regards, Kiril Chukanov > -----Original Message----- > From: stevend@rimstar.org > Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:15:19 +0000 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! > > I looked into the pyramid structure last year and was all exited > that the fellow seemed open enough judging from the video. But > then I couldn't find him and there isn't enough detail in the > video to duplicate it. > > Ideas that came up... Could the pyramid be a waveguide focusing > microwaves to a usable point? It's facing downward so the > microwaves would have to be coming from below. Could the > rectangular tubing at the center be a lecher line, part of the > capturing circuit? > > -Steve > http://rimstar.org > > Jerry Volland wrote: >> Hi, Timothy. >> >> The hottest thing right now is graphene. This is a form of graphite >> which is only one or two atomic layers thick. Scientists have >> discovered that this substance will accelerate a cloud of electrons with >> no external energy added. Also, the shock of acceleration can convert >> the electrons into a type of massless Fermion called Dirac >> Quasiparticles. Apparently, the mass of the electrons is converted into >> energy, yielding a field of bright white energy which has considerably >> more energy than input. >> >> Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a couple of coils, a >> cap, and a magnet which is self oscillating, producing enough energy to >> power a computer cooling fan. One guy said he left his running >> continuously for 30 days, and it was still operating. >> >> http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2381 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* srcenter@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Tue, 15 May 2007 13:26:31 -0500 >> *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> *Subject:* [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! >> >> Greetings! >> >> Have been away from the list for awhile... >> >> Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free energy? >> >> timothy h From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 31 15:17:33 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4VMHFmU025251; Thu, 31 May 2007 15:17:16 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l4VMHC4a025225; Thu, 31 May 2007 15:17:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:17:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <465F11C4.7010805@rimstar.org> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:19:48 +0000 From: Steven Dufresne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Photon; U; QNX x86pc; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20030109 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! References: <09fbb4c571e.000002f1jerryvolland@inbox.com> <157C02091DE.00000A52jerryvolland@inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0rBFCD.A.AKG.ol0XGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25694 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 364 Hi Jerry, I hadn't meant to suggest it might be a scam. I just said I couldn't find the fellow and then suggested some ideas. Kiril Chikanov's work looks interesting. Thanks. -Steve http://rimstar.org Jerry Volland wrote: > Hi, Steven. > > It never occured to me this might be a scam. What you say could be true. Also, I see wires running off camera. I'll have to withhold judgement on this for now. > > On another note, here's a message I just recieved from Kiril Chukanov, about his Ball Lightning Quantum Free Energy, something I've been following for a couple of years: > > Subject: Ball Lightning test > > Dear All, > > I just made my first test of ANLOTRON-1. Before this test I was afraid to > see small QFE effect, so, all my efforts last twenty years to be in vain. I > was delaying day after day the moment of test, but finally after strong > pressure from the side of my investor I decided to make first test. What > happened is hard to describe it. I decided to start with very nice > excitement of my giant ball lightning: I just pulled very nicely the Evil's > tail (the giant ball lightning), just one nice shut. The Evil's reaction, > however, was tremendously horrible. My equipment was totally destroyed. > Over-unity was maybe thousands of times, maybe more. And this just from one > small shut. Quantum Free Energy was proven in full scale - much, much more > than I expected in my best dreams! To be harnessed for practical use QFE > needs big money and many specialists. QFE is the energy future of our > civilization!!! QFE from giant ball lightning can produce power enough to > supply with electricity and other kind of energy whole city and whole > country. On another hand, big ball lightning can destroy the whole city and > whole country if "excited" too much. > > Kind regards, > > Kiril Chukanov > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: stevend@rimstar.org >>Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:15:19 +0000 >>To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>Subject: Re: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! >> >>I looked into the pyramid structure last year and was all exited >>that the fellow seemed open enough judging from the video. But >>then I couldn't find him and there isn't enough detail in the >>video to duplicate it. >> >>Ideas that came up... Could the pyramid be a waveguide focusing >>microwaves to a usable point? It's facing downward so the >>microwaves would have to be coming from below. Could the >>rectangular tubing at the center be a lecher line, part of the >>capturing circuit? >> >>-Steve >>http://rimstar.org >> >>Jerry Volland wrote: >> >>>Hi, Timothy. >>> >>>The hottest thing right now is graphene. This is a form of graphite >>>which is only one or two atomic layers thick. Scientists have >>>discovered that this substance will accelerate a cloud of electrons with >>>no external energy added. Also, the shock of acceleration can convert >>>the electrons into a type of massless Fermion called Dirac >>>Quasiparticles. Apparently, the mass of the electrons is converted into >>>energy, yielding a field of bright white energy which has considerably >>>more energy than input. >>> >>>Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a couple of coils, a >>>cap, and a magnet which is self oscillating, producing enough energy to >>>power a computer cooling fan. One guy said he left his running >>>continuously for 30 days, and it was still operating. >>> >>>http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2381 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* srcenter@gmail.com >>> *Sent:* Tue, 15 May 2007 13:26:31 -0500 >>> *To:* freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>> *Subject:* [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! >>> >>> Greetings! >>> >>> Have been away from the list for awhile... >>> >>> Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free energy? >>> >>> timothy h From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 31 20:19:29 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l513J6d5023766; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:19:07 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l513J3Nb023730; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:19:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:19:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:19:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1CFAFA99B84.0000055Ajerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Latest & Greatest ?! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <465F11C4.7010805@rimstar.org> References: <157c02091de.00000a52jerryvolland@inbox.com> <09fbb4c571e.000002f1jerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: tX17z_7IBN8WXUUBp8AESeb5EmRrz5HBUS3qUZw_yxIEyInBAR7LLnI7a04U Vj8vQqmKJINr9KAXMi624ZCillb6aF_SLLOzvo0LJcCzwG7JgAlmdVWbwLPx abqs58iGMMEPYeZomFLZSyQ@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25695 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 365 Oh. I just thought of the word scam because of other videos coming out on = Utube lately. Like electricity from two magnetized nails stuck into the = sides of candles, with wires looping the thumtacks on the bottom of the = candles - off camera - then through a little bulb. The circuit also = picked up the nails. > -----Original Message----- > From: stevend=40rimstar.org > Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:19:48 +0000 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >=20 > Hi Jerry, > I hadn't meant to suggest it might be a scam. I just said I couldn't > find the fellow and then suggested some ideas. Kiril Chikanov's work > looks interesting. Thanks. > -Steve > http://rimstar.org >=20 > Jerry Volland wrote: >> Hi, Steven. >>=20 >> It never occured to me this might be a scam. What you say could be >> true. Also, I see wires running off camera. I'll have to withhold >> judgement on this for now. >>=20 >> On another note, here's a message I just recieved from Kiril Chukanov, >> about his Ball Lightning Quantum Free Energy, something I've been >> following for a couple of years: >>=20 >> Subject: Ball Lightning test >>=20 >> Dear All, >>=20 >> I just made my first test of ANLOTRON-1. Before this test I was afraid >> to >> see small QFE effect, so, all my efforts last twenty years to be in >> vain. I >> was delaying day after day the moment of test, but finally after strong >> pressure from the side of my investor I decided to make first test. What >> happened is hard to describe it. I decided to start with very nice >> excitement of my giant ball lightning: I just pulled very nicely the >> Evil's >> tail (the giant ball lightning), just one nice shut. The Evil's >> reaction, >> however, was tremendously horrible. My equipment was totally destroyed. >> Over-unity was maybe thousands of times, maybe more. And this just from >> one >> small shut. Quantum Free Energy was proven in full scale - much, much >> more >> than I expected in my best dreams=21 To be harnessed for practical use = QFE >> needs big money and many specialists. QFE is the energy future of our >> civilization=21=21=21 QFE from giant ball lightning can produce power = enough >> to >> supply with electricity and other kind of energy whole city and whole >> country. On another hand, big ball lightning can destroy the whole city >> and >> whole country if =22excited=22 too much. >>=20 >> Kind regards, >>=20 >> Kiril Chukanov >>=20 >>=20 > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: stevend=40rimstar.org > >>Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:15:19 +0000 > >>To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > >>Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >>>=20 > >>I looked into the pyramid structure last year and was all exited > >>that the fellow seemed open enough judging from the video. But > >>then I couldn't find him and there isn't enough detail in the > >>video to duplicate it. >>>=20 > >>Ideas that came up... Could the pyramid be a waveguide focusing > >>microwaves to a usable point? It's facing downward so the > >>microwaves would have to be coming from below. Could the > >>rectangular tubing at the center be a lecher line, part of the > >>capturing circuit? >>>=20 > >>-Steve > >>http://rimstar.org >>>=20 > >>Jerry Volland wrote: >>>=20 > >>>Hi, Timothy. >>>>=20 > >>>The hottest thing right now is graphene. This is a form of graphite > >>>which is only one or two atomic layers thick. Scientists have > >>>discovered that this substance will accelerate a cloud of electrons > with > >>>no external energy added. Also, the shock of acceleration can convert > >>>the electrons into a type of massless Fermion called Dirac > >>>Quasiparticles. Apparently, the mass of the electrons is converted > into > >>>energy, yielding a field of bright white energy which has considerably > >>>more energy than input. >>>>=20 > >>>Also, there's a pyramid structure which includes a couple of coils, a > >>>cap, and a magnet which is self oscillating, producing enough energy > to > >>>power a computer cooling fan. One guy said he left his running > >>>continuously for 30 days, and it was still operating. >>>>=20 > = >>>http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=3D2381 > = >>> >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> *From:* srcenter=40gmail.com >>>> *Sent:* Tue, 15 May 2007 13:26:31 -0500 >>>> *To:* freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >>>> *Subject:* =5BFG=5D: Latest & Greatest ?=21 >>>>=20 >>>> Greetings=21 >>>>=20 >>>> Have been away from the list for awhile... >>>>=20 >>>> Anybody know the latest & greatest in overunity & free energy? >>>>=20 >>>> timothy h ____________________________________________________________ KEEP SPYWARE OFF YOUR COMPUTER - Protect your computer with Spyware = Terminator=21 Visit http://www.spywareterminator.com/install and find out more=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 3 03:46:01 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53Ajl81018210; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 03:45:48 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l53AjdBv018143; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 03:45:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 03:45:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.110.159.241] X-Originating-Email: [toki_29@hotmail.com] X-Sender: toki_29@hotmail.com From: "Kel Blackman" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:45:34 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2007 10:45:37.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[524232D0:01C7A5CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25696 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Joseph Newman Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 366
I have just watched the video clip that was discussed earlier on this forum and also checked out his website. Amazing stuff if one looks at all that is there along with the technical stuff. Seems quiet credable and believable when you see the interviews on why they won't issue a patent.
I would like to get hold of his book: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman. Anyone know where I may obtain a second hand one? as they are no longer available due to the printer burning down.

Hot deals, travel ideas & Lonely Planet guides - ninemsn Travel From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 3 05:42:42 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53CgRDc014371; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 05:42:28 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l53CgIPP014320; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 05:42:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 05:42:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1Xo8mvHaSL12wfuRrWAvJXIxkifZpcNA7//jGJIB7USNb5c9F88LFjEmajWuA7wMA4AFbtLCrURNWr1hisaOw6GX6ubVeZnoZiu/x8NksBh5W0tWuWt0henK6JCkGPbviLAEK4zXkAhOfhJUUzZ3i+kq9OD5VZqbLPihRULlXvk=; X-YMail-OSG: lJAXVagVM1lBxb8gxIpiqBygScg2eD12d0XT.0VEtBrzQd80phsZ4jWFfkv_GY5h0bzAIlwQus_9h7HqPpVgJblU.TPrltVPfB2hj5TtNrC0y8Y7_tvZeOuER8GQNA-- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 05:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: bret cherry Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <146181.16478.qm@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25697 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 367 I find it interesting as well, but who has replicated his work? Any indy researchers out there who have produced similar results using an apparatus like his? Where is verification of his energy inputs and outputs? Free energy researcher Eric Krieg says he is a faker, but I'm interested in other view points on this fellow. People are comparing him with John Hutchison, see the Science Channel. Hucthison's methodology is unique to himself, could we say the same about Mr. Newman? BreTT --- Kel Blackman wrote: --------------------------------- I have just watched the video clip that was discussed earlier on this forum and also checked out his website. Amazing stuff if one looks at all that is there along with the technical stuff. Seems quiet credable and believable when you see the interviews on why they won't issue a patent. I would like to get hold of his book: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman. Anyone know where I may obtain a second hand one? as they are no longer available due to the printer burning down. --------------------------------- Hot deals, travel ideas & Lonely Planet guides - ninemsn Travel ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 3 06:40:09 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53De3pW003417; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:40:03 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l53DWLpw032535; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:32:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:32:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:32:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="297796611-463262753-1180877538=:26180" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25698 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 368 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --297796611-463262753-1180877538=:26180 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT You might try libraries in your area. You wouldn't get to OWN it but you'd at least get to read it. I found one in some library a few years ago - either a local library or the Illinois State Library. It was an older edition but I still got an idea how it was assembled and operated. Zack On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote: > I have just watched the video clip that was discussed earlier on this > forum and also checked out his website. Amazing stuff if one looks at > all that is there along with the technical stuff. Seems quiet credable > and believable when you see the interviews on why they won't issue a > patent. > I would like to get hold of his book: The Energy Machine of Joseph > Newman. Anyone know where I may obtain a second hand one? as they are > no longer available due to the printer burning down. > --297796611-463262753-1180877538=:26180-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 3 10:00:10 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53H03T0031240; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:00:03 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l53GuoZ5027087; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:56:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:56:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [72.152.202.72] From: To: , Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:56:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=____1180889807505__aib,)=2Gl" Message-Id: <20070603165647.OCYO15590.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25699 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 369 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1180889807505__aib,)=2Gl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At this point I would consider Newman a fraud. Or a complete idiot. I was quite intrigued by his claims, it must be 20 years now since I first heard on the 2 minute hourly news segment of WNEW-FM about this southern guy who devised his own laws of elecromagnatism and created some novel motor based on his own laws. At the time I could find no more info. This list reintroduced me to Mr. Newman some 12+ years ago. I read all that is available for free - I refuse to purchase anything from him until i'm comfortable he's not a fraud. That hasn't happened. Joe Newman never speaks here; the few 'releases' where always by some agent I never trusted, I forget his name. He should realize by now, unless he is truely insane, that he will never 'own' the world with his invention and should instead follow in the footsteps of Tesla - find someone like George Westinghouse who will make these things and become obscenly wealthy in the process and throw just enough money your way to allow you to play and explore your interests and to keep you available for technical issues, since no-one know the science like you. But, alas, I suggested this to Mr. Newman years back, but he continues his foolishness. Don't think that Mr Newnam is the only one who 'knows' this new science. History has shown us that many people work on the same thing and invent the same things at the same time. The vast majority of these potential new magnetists will abandon thier research and thought experiments when they succumb to the unimaginative masses who invoke the 2nd law as a matter of reflex. The rest will never make a working model due to time and financial contraints. But 10 years from now, in India, China or maybe even Mississippi once again, a kid without the blinders of a science education will lay in bed at night with visions of magnetic fields darting through her mind and develop her own understanding of EM. She will create the motor, her government will produce it and the world will embrace it. 30 years from now everyone on the planet will know of the Rashij motor and she will be held in high. And Joseph Newman? If anyone remembers anything, they will remember him as some sleazy american who tried to claim he invented the Rashij motor years before........ ------=____1180889807505__aib,)=2Gl Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed; name="replyAll" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="replyAll"
I have just watched the video clip that was discussed earlier on this forum and also checked out his website. Amazing stuff if one looks at all that is there along with the technical stuff. Seems quiet credable and believable when you see the interviews on why they won't issue a patent.
I would like to get hold of his book: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman. Anyone know where I may obtain a second hand one? as they are no longer available due to the printer burning down.

Hot deals, travel ideas & Lonely Planet guides - ninemsn Travel ------=____1180889807505__aib,)=2Gl-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 3 15:18:09 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53MHuWA017804; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:17:56 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l53MHsqR017790; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:17:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:17:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [61.8.13.50] X-Originating-Email: [toki_29@hotmail.com] X-Sender: toki_29@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Kel Blackman" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:17:50 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2007 22:17:52.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[074ACBF0:01C7A62D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25700 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 370

Finding a book in a library may be difficult as I live in Australia. I thought that someone who has a history of looking at this stuff, such as someone on this forum may have played with Newman's idea from the book.

From what I have read on the website I get the impression that he is harnessing the back emf from the field coils and then using it as a source to drive his motor. I need to read more from the web site but if this is so then it would be easy to test this idea. You could power a small transformer off a small battery and discharge the back emf from the secondary into a large capacitor. Measure the power when discharging the cap and see how much energy is available. Then compare it to the small battery input.

Anyone ever tried this?

Kel. 

From:  Zack Widup <w9sz@prairienet.org>
Reply-To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject:  Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman
Date:  Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:32:18 -0500 (CDT)

You might try libraries in your area.  You wouldn't get to OWN it but you'd at least get to read it.

I found one in some library a few years ago - either a local library or the Illinois State Library. It was an older edition but I still got an idea how it was assembled and operated.

Zack

On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote:

>I have just watched the video clip that was discussed earlier on
>this
>forum and also checked out his website. Amazing stuff if one looks
>at
>all that is there along with the technical stuff. Seems quiet
>credable
>and believable when you see the interviews on why they won't issue a
>patent.
>I would like to get hold of his book: The Energy Machine of Joseph
>Newman. Anyone know where I may obtain a second hand one? as they
>are
>no longer available due to the printer burning down.
>


Hot deals, travel ideas & Lonely Planet guides - ninemsn Travel From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 3 16:40:11 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53Ndt6k018950; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:39:56 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l53NdrdZ018928; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:39:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:39:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 18:39:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="297796611-465079651-1180913991=:30220" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25701 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 371 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --297796611-465079651-1180913991=:30220 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi Kel, On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote: > > Finding a book in a library may be difficult as I live in Australia. I > thought that someone who has a history of looking at this stuff, such > as someone on this forum may have played with Newman's idea from the > book. > I never got around to obtaining the many pounds (and miles) of copper wire it would require to make the device. If I did, then I'd have to wind the darned thing. It isn't something you can throw together over a weekend. > From what I have read on the website I get the impression that he is > harnessing the back emf from the field coils and then using it as a > source to drive his motor. I need to read more from the web site but if > this is so then it would be easy to test this idea. You could power a > small transformer off a small battery and discharge the back emf from > the secondary into a large capacitor. Measure the power when > discharging the cap and see how much energy is available. Then compare > it to the small battery input. > > Anyone ever tried this? > > Kel.  That's my idea, too. Vaguely similar to the Gray motor. You probably gain some efficiency but most likely it isn't over unity by a long shot. Zack --297796611-465079651-1180913991=:30220-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 5 23:55:12 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l566sxWS006822; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:54:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l566svYa006814; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:54:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:54:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.215.186.138] X-Originating-Email: [doitclean@hotmail.com] X-Sender: doitclean@hotmail.com From: "Daniel Dawson" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:54:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2007 06:54:55.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[9745CD00:01C7A807] Resent-Message-ID: <9L37YB.A.PqB.AplZGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25702 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Excellent Resources Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 372
Hello fellow seekers.
I've been tracking Joseph Neuman for years and he's a trooper par excellant.
Just wanted to provide some links from my extensive 'new physics' file.
Given the fundamentally faulted concepts of the currently accepted academic physics, I have been looking elswhere. This is what made J. Neuman interesting to me. His conceptual views and physical theories are of more interest to me than his mystery motor because a clearer and more accurate understanding of the fundementals of energy will open the door to far simpler and elegant devices than even his.
First, O. Crane & Christian Monstein:
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
 
Next is a remarkably similar approach by G. Srinivasan. If the Sanskrit origin and jargon make you question, I suggest you take a peek at page 377. Well worth the read.
http://www.geocities.com/om3namaskar/index.html  Then click on: http://www.geocities.com/om3namaskar/bookindex.html Then click on:
The complete book of 500 pages.(pdf)
He also has an analysis and variation of Bill Muller's 'over unity' motor.
 
Enough theory for now. I have several other detailed works along the same lines which taken togather with the above provide a much more accurate picture of the true physics of energy.
 
I also have the original files of the complete NEOGEN project that appeared then dissapeared from the MAGNETRICITY (Frank Herbert) website last year. This too is a refinement of the Bill Muller motor/generator.
 
Any comments, questions or dialog is welcomed.
Dan Dawson
 

Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 5 23:57:29 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l566v9x0008451; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:57:09 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l566v7Rm008429; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:57:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:57:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.215.186.138] X-Originating-Email: [doitclean@hotmail.com] X-Sender: doitclean@hotmail.com From: "Daniel Dawson" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Joseph Newman >Excellent Resources Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:57:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2007 06:57:07.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[E56D4710:01C7A807] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25703 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 373
Hello fellow seekers.
I've been tracking Joseph Neuman for years and he's a trooper par excellant.
Just wanted to provide some links from my extensive 'new physics' file.
Given the fundamentally faulted concepts of the currently accepted academic physics, I have been looking elswhere. This is what made J. Neuman interesting to me. His conceptual views and physical theories are of more interest to me than his mystery motor because a clearer and more accurate understanding of the fundementals of energy will open the door to far simpler and elegant devices than even his.
First, O. Crane & Christian Monstein:
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
 
Next is a remarkably similar approach by G. Srinivasan. If the Sanskrit origin and jargon make you question, I suggest you take a peek at page 377. Well worth the read.
http://www.geocities.com/om3namaskar/index.html  Then click on: http://www.geocities.com/om3namaskar/bookindex.html Then click on:
The complete book of 500 pages.(pdf)
He also has an analysis and variation of Bill Muller's 'over unity' motor.
 
Enough theory for now. I have several other detailed works along the same lines which taken togather with the above provide a much more accurate picture of the true physics of energy.
 
I also have the original files of the complete NEOGEN project that appeared then dissapeared from the MAGNETRICITY (Frank Herbert) website last year. This too is a refinement of the Bill Muller motor/generator.
 
Any comments, questions or dialog is welcomed.
Dan Dawson
 

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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 10 18:51:46 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B1pXmc013634; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:51:33 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5B1pUxQ013617; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:51:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:51:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-UNTD-OriginStamp: mkekJprLFEpuhPIFA52n25RDC858rvQtj86TAQLJxEvQAwC5TzqJghePFGvE+Afm X-Originating-IP: [71.86.103.71] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:50:20 GMT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070610.215020.12567.0@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2337980375 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.141|webmail01.lax.untd.com|webmail01.lax.untd.com|aguyovergeorgia@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25704 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Under water Tubines Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 374 Well i have just seen a TV Special on underwater turbines it is basically the same design as the huge wind turbines but is using the underwater currents to power it instead of having to build a dam or reservoir this new tech promises to provide the USA with 10 % of new York's power From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 10 18:54:56 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B1sbZN018846; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:54:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5B1sZDw018829; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:54:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:54:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines In-Reply-To: <20070610.215020.12567.0@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25705 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 375 Yes, has advantage that unlike wind currents are continuous as well. Since nobody seems them aesthetics are less of an issue, though I bet sooner or later someone using fishing with nets is gonna catch one or they'll find a half a whale floating up or some other disaster will mess things up. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:50:20 GMT > From: "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: Under water Tubines > Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:51:30 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Well i have just seen a TV Special on underwater turbines it is > basically the same design as the huge wind turbines but is using the > underwater currents to power it instead of having to build a dam or > reservoir this new tech promises to provide the USA with 10 % of new > York's power > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 10 21:08:45 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B487g4026532; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:08:08 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5B485ts026484; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:08:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:08:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <1373482514.1181534882419.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:08:02 -0700 From: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines Cc: Nanook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 71.90.170.190 by mail.charter.net; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 0:08:02 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25706 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 376 On the do-it-yourself note, all you need is a hunk of shoreline and a bundle of $$dough$$ For the rest of us who live in places like North Texas wind is much more suitable. The trick is not making it attractive, that's easy. just go rustic. ---- Nanook wrote: > > Yes, has advantage that unlike wind currents are continuous as well. Since > nobody seems them aesthetics are less of an issue, though I bet sooner or later > someone using fishing with nets is gonna catch one or they'll find a half a > whale floating up or some other disaster will mess things up. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, aguyovergeorgia@juno.com wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:50:20 GMT > > From: "aguyovergeorgia@juno.com" > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: [FG]: Under water Tubines > > Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:51:30 -0700 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > Well i have just seen a TV Special on underwater turbines it is > > basically the same design as the huge wind turbines but is using the > > underwater currents to power it instead of having to build a dam or > > reservoir this new tech promises to provide the USA with 10 % of new > > York's power > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 10 21:18:15 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B4Hvk1027956; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:17:57 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5B4HuVf027936; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:17:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:17:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines In-Reply-To: <1373482514.1181534882419.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <80C4U.A.b0G.zzMbGB@ultra7.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25707 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 377 I live in Shoreline but I haven't got any. I read about an achored boey concept years ago where you have a boey that floats, an anchor, and the action of the waves cause the boey to bob up and down relative to the anchor moving magnets up and down in a coil producing electricity. It's low frequency electricity to be sure but then that can be addresssed with electronics. I wonder if any of these are actually in use now and how they are working. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 charlieford1@charter.net wrote: > > On the do-it-yourself note, all you need is a hunk of shoreline and a > bundle of $$dough$$ For the rest of us who live in places like North Texas > wind is much more suitable. The trick is not making it attractive, that's > easy. just go rustic. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 10 22:18:39 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B5IDPj012620; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:18:13 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5B5I8R8012593; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:18:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:18:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <994080772.1181539083936.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:18:03 -0700 From: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines Cc: Nanook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 71.90.170.190 by mail.charter.net; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 1:18:03 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <5irLLD.A.mED.QsNbGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25708 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 378 Nanook: With the recent rush to use LiIon batteries for just about everything. A set of new hybrid switching control chips are available that promise ease of use to the engineer. Electronics becomes very easy once the power is available. Current projects are a blast, and the energy savings can be calculated into an "upgrade and maintenance" budget. If I could only figure out how to make this into a six figure income I would be all set. :-) ---- Nanook wrote: > > I live in Shoreline but I haven't got any. I read about an achored boey > concept years ago where you have a boey that floats, an anchor, and the action > of the waves cause the boey to bob up and down relative to the anchor moving > magnets up and down in a coil producing electricity. It's low frequency > electricity to be sure but then that can be addresssed with electronics. I > wonder if any of these are actually in use now and how they are working. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 charlieford1@charter.net wrote: > > > > On the do-it-yourself note, all you need is a hunk of shoreline and a > > bundle of $$dough$$ For the rest of us who live in places like North Texas > > wind is much more suitable. The trick is not making it attractive, that's > > easy. just go rustic. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 10 22:36:52 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B5akrf001803; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:36:46 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5B5ahdt001791; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:36:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:36:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines In-Reply-To: <994080772.1181539083936.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_YqI3C.A.6b.r9NbGB@ultra7.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25709 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 379 On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 charlieford1@charter.net wrote: > > Nanook: > > With the recent rush to use LiIon batteries for just about everything. A > set of new hybrid switching control chips are available that promise ease > of use to the engineer. Electronics becomes very easy once the power is > available. > > Current projects are a blast, and the energy savings can be calculated into > an "upgrade and maintenance" budget. If I could only figure out how to > make this into a six figure income I would be all set. :-) They make DC to AC conversion equipment for converting power from DC high voltage transmission lines back to AC that operate at gigawatt power levels, so the problem is small scale by contrast. They've got one DC line in Sweden that operates at 1.8 megavolts (which is as high as they go because beyond that the corona losses exceed IR losses). I was amazed that solid state devices could handle that voltage but they actually stack triac like devices (four layer devices). With respect to lithium-ion batteries, there propensity for going into thermal runaway, expense, and limited recharge cycles are still problematic, though there are some newer lithium-ion technologies that substantially reduced the thermal runaway, increased the cycles, but cost is still problematic and I expect it will for the forseeable future just because demand is rising faster than supply can. Curious how the cost of ocean current energy verses wind compares at this time. Given that water is much denser than air, I would think you wouldn't need as large of a turbine or whatever you call the blades. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 10 22:41:41 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B5fUEB003099; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:41:30 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5B5fQWm003080; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:41:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:41:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:41:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25710 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 380 For those who are interested in renewable energy and other sustainability issues, I have a blog and forum on the subject: http://www.eskimo.com/~nanook/future http://www.eskimo.com/~nanook/future/forum Not nearly as sexy as extracting energy from the vacuum, etc, but it's technology that is largely available now. I was down at Carkeek Park the other day when it was sunny, taking photographs, and I took one over the Puget Sound south past downtown Seattle, and what I saw there can only be described as disgusting, this layer of brown-orange haze, and we breath this crap. To me this is the real reason we need to get away from fossil fuels, not their running out but the consequences of burning them and all the toxins we release into the environment. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 11 20:39:21 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C3cvbi025860; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:38:58 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5C3cnU3025804; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:38:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:38:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <1825693499.1181619527269.JavaMail.root@fepweb01> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:38:47 -0700 From: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines Cc: Nanook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 71.90.170.190 by mail.charter.net; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 3:38:47 +0000 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25714 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 381 Water verses wind.... In my case its all about location. North Texas works like this. This year we have flooding. Last 3 drought Oh so that is water, I was beginning to forget what it looked like. ---- Nanook wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 charlieford1@charter.net wrote: > > > > Nanook: > > > > With the recent rush to use LiIon batteries for just about everything. A > > set of new hybrid switching control chips are available that promise ease > > of use to the engineer. Electronics becomes very easy once the power is > > available. > > > > Current projects are a blast, and the energy savings can be calculated into > > an "upgrade and maintenance" budget. If I could only figure out how to > > make this into a six figure income I would be all set. :-) > > They make DC to AC conversion equipment for converting power from DC high > voltage transmission lines back to AC that operate at gigawatt power levels, so > the problem is small scale by contrast. > > They've got one DC line in Sweden that operates at 1.8 megavolts (which is > as high as they go because beyond that the corona losses exceed IR losses). I > was amazed that solid state devices could handle that voltage but they actually > stack triac like devices (four layer devices). > > With respect to lithium-ion batteries, there propensity for going into > thermal runaway, expense, and limited recharge cycles are still problematic, > though there are some newer lithium-ion technologies that substantially reduced > the thermal runaway, increased the cycles, but cost is still problematic and I > expect it will for the forseeable future just because demand is rising faster > than supply can. > > Curious how the cost of ocean current energy verses wind compares at this > time. Given that water is much denser than air, I would think you wouldn't > need as large of a turbine or whatever you call the blades. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 11 21:00:19 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C3xxQY010904; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:59:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5C3xvEm010888; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:59:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:59:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines In-Reply-To: <1825693499.1181619527269.JavaMail.root@fepweb01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25715 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 382 Obviously you're only going to be able to use ocean currents to make power where there ocean currents. Here in the west we've got all sorts of geo-thermal resources that I just don't understand why they're not tapping. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 charlieford1@charter.net wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:38:47 -0700 > From: charlieford1@charter.net > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Nanook > Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines > > Water verses wind.... In my case its all about location. > > North Texas works like this. > > This year we have flooding. > Last 3 drought > Oh so that is water, I was beginning to forget what it looked like. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 11 21:29:44 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C4TLw7000694; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:22 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5C4TKp6000684; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.81.156.54] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com In-Reply-To: <994080772.1181539083936.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2007 04:29:18.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DE787B0:01C7ACAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25716 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 383

"With the recent rush to use LiIon batteries for just about everything."

Has anyone heard further about the batteries that I believe Toshiba claims to have produced that attain 80% charge in less than 5 minutes? If these can be produced at a reasonable cost, I can only imagine what it will do the the automotive and electronics world. Can you imagine recharging your car in less time that it would take to pump fossil fuel? "Hybrid" would take on a whole new meaning as would a battery powered vehicle. Of course, you still have the problem of generating the power to recharge, but with people like Col. Tom Bearden and his "MEG" (which I read is patented and near developement) that may not be a problem at all. Goodbye smog? Probably not, but a bunch less!


Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 11 21:47:08 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C4kuIn014665; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:46:56 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5C4krar014643; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:46:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:46:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:46:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3Zqk2.A.ukD.9UibGB@ultra7.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25717 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 384 I've heard full charge in 3 minutes, 80% in 1 minute. It's kind of moot though for an electrical vehicle because of the charging current that would be required. Let's say you design a vehicle with sufficiently low rolling resistance and wind resistance that it can go 60 MPH on 10HP (you need more power for acceleration, climbing hills, etc, I'm talking steady freeway speed). So allowing for some inefficiency in the controller, wiring, and motor, you you need say 10Kw continuous power. To go 300 miles you need a 50Kwh battery. Now, let's assume 80% efficiency in the battery, specs I've seen for various lithium ion batteries range from 50% to high 90's, and they are dependent upon discharge rate; so if you have enough battery that you can keep the discharge rate low then you'll do a lot better than say if you only have an hours worth of driving time and discharge them fast. Assuming 80%, it's going to take 62.5 Kwh to charge the batteries, which would translate 7.8 Kw over 8 hours, that's 32.55 amps on a 240 volt circuit, very doable, or 62.5 Kw if you charge in an hour, that's 260.42 amps on a 240 volt circuit, not so doable, most houses don't have over 200 amp services, there are occasional exceptions but few. Now if you want to charge in five minutes, that's 750 Kw for five minutes. Now you're looking at 3,125 amps at 240 volts, that would take some impressive connectors and cabling and definitely not doable at your home, but if they made charging stations integral with substations, maybe, as long as all the neighbors didn't mind their lights dimming. If electric cars became the norm, then I could see that kind of infrastructure developing eventually, probably gradually; but not doable right from the get go. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:14 -0700 > From: M J Mitch Mitchell > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines > Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:20 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > "With the recent rush to use LiIon batteries for just about everything." > > Has anyone heard further about the batteries that I believe Toshiba > claims to have produced that attain 80% charge in less than 5 minutes? If > these can be produced at a reasonable cost, I can only imagine what it > will do the the automotive and electronics world. Can you imagine > recharging your car in less time that it would take to pump fossil fuel? > "Hybrid" would take on a whole new meaning as would a battery powered > vehicle. Of course, you still have the problem of generating the power to > recharge, but with people like Col. Tom Bearden and his "MEG" (which I > read is patented and near developement) that may not be a problem at all. > Goodbye smog? Probably not, but a bunch less! > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 12 06:18:06 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CDHckt015849; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:17:39 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5CDHU6Y015809; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:17:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:17:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=R1tLrNdpZxb22q1k5yEPXZ4jCiNa1CUQq5LxKSico5NSW2sabn62g2Y/BXQJp0McHGgpI9u25tR1oXmch3uW5nj6d8c9gnl2jyIsrID+81YoXGEdKjhpikR4YnVyjNoeQZiFknzQ7z8lxNaigDjApbgZy1jiYcnzkujQS44RDAc=; X-YMail-OSG: .Vks0xEVM1nrT8sg.4dD78XMMSR5_Tb26yk95k9CHh5xELULP4VvAfZJ66og.PX5aPDePl9pHLWtGDlTmLgeP50x82wtw.L0Jh8boW.3emDzBzgaNQ4- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT) From: bret cherry Subject: Re: [FG]: Electric Vehicles To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <9310.85786.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25718 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 385 Nanook: I'm sure you may have heard of the Tesla Roadster by Tesla Motors in Silicon Valley. Despite what skeptics have had to say about it, it is NOT a concept car. It has been built and will enter the market. It utilizes lithium ion batteries and the design appears both sleek and simple, perhaps far more efficient than GM's EV, a sad story in itself, it also uses Tesla's polyphase AC system or at least a versiou of it. Speaking of Tesla, to dig up an old story. Why not power electric vehicles wirelessly with AC? It still doesn't appear unfeasible to me. It just takes people clever enough to do it. Although many engineers stuck in the old EE models would say otherwise. I think we are still catching up on ancient history, something contemporaries, such as Bearden, some time ago. Not to mention Tesla, who possessed contrasting models of atomic and subatomic particles held dear by many physicists. Humanity has many new and old scientific theories to entertain, not to mention techniques in developing EVs. http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php BreTT --- Nanook wrote: > > I've heard full charge in 3 minutes, 80% in 1 > minute. > > It's kind of moot though for an electrical > vehicle because of the charging > current that would be required. > > Let's say you design a vehicle with > sufficiently low rolling resistance > and wind resistance that it can go 60 MPH on 10HP > (you need more power for > acceleration, climbing hills, etc, I'm talking > steady freeway speed). > > So allowing for some inefficiency in the > controller, wiring, and motor, > you you need say 10Kw continuous power. To go 300 > miles you need a 50Kwh > battery. > > Now, let's assume 80% efficiency in the > battery, specs I've seen for > various lithium ion batteries range from 50% to high > 90's, and they are > dependent upon discharge rate; so if you have enough > battery that you can keep > the discharge rate low then you'll do a lot better > than say if you only have an > hours worth of driving time and discharge them fast. > > Assuming 80%, it's going to take 62.5 Kwh to > charge the batteries, which > would translate 7.8 Kw over 8 hours, that's 32.55 > amps on a 240 volt circuit, > very doable, or 62.5 Kw if you charge in an hour, > that's 260.42 amps on a 240 > volt circuit, not so doable, most houses don't have > over 200 amp services, > there are occasional exceptions but few. Now if you > want to charge in five > minutes, that's 750 Kw for five minutes. Now you're > looking at 3,125 amps at > 240 volts, that would take some impressive > connectors and cabling and > definitely not doable at your home, but if they made > charging stations integral > with substations, maybe, as long as all the > neighbors didn't mind their lights > dimming. > > If electric cars became the norm, then I could > see that kind of > infrastructure developing eventually, probably > gradually; but not doable right > from the get go. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell > Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone > trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) > 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:14 -0700 > > From: M J Mitch Mitchell > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines > > Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:20 -0700 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > > > "With the recent rush to use LiIon batteries for > just about everything." > > > > Has anyone heard further about the batteries that > I believe Toshiba > > claims to have produced that attain 80% charge in > less than 5 minutes? If > > these can be produced at a reasonable cost, I can > only imagine what it > > will do the the automotive and electronics world. > Can you imagine > > recharging your car in less time that it would > take to pump fossil fuel? > > "Hybrid" would take on a whole new meaning as > would a battery powered > > vehicle. Of course, you still have the problem of > generating the power to > > recharge, but with people like Col. Tom Bearden > and his "MEG" (which I > > read is patented and near developement) that may > not be a problem at all. > > Goodbye smog? Probably not, but a bunch less! > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event > this summer - only on MSN > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 12 08:56:12 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CFu4oG011950; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:56:04 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5CFu2ox011939; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:56:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:56:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:56:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Electric Vehicles In-Reply-To: <9310.85786.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25719 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 386 On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, bret cherry wrote: > > Nanook: > I'm sure you may have heard of the Tesla Roadster by > Tesla Motors in Silicon Valley. Despite what skeptics > have had to say about it, it is NOT a concept car. It > has been built and will enter the market. It utilizes > lithium ion batteries and the design appears both > sleek and simple, perhaps far more efficient than GM's > EV, a sad story in itself, it also uses Tesla's > polyphase AC system or at least a versiou of it. Yes, I have, and while in production it is priced far beyond the reach of the average consumer, and the number of charge / discharge cycles wouldn't be adequate for the average consumer. Someone that can spend that kind of money on a car can afford to change them out every couple of years but to be suitable for the mass market they are going to need better longetivity. However, the use of an AC motor instead of DC does make it somewhat more efficient than most but increases controller complexity. > Speaking of Tesla, to dig up an old story. Why not > power electric vehicles wirelessly with AC? It still > doesn't appear unfeasible to me. It just takes people > clever enough to do it. Problems I see with it, cars are metal. If you had an induction system, it would also induce large currents in the body of the car resulting in a lot of heat, noise (humming), and wasted energy. Going to non-conductive components is only practical to a point, still need wiring, motors, etc, even if the cost of non-metallic points, and structural issues could be overcome. > Although many engineers stuck > in the old EE models would say otherwise. I think we > are still catching up on ancient history, something > contemporaries, such as Bearden, some time ago. Not > to mention Tesla, who possessed contrasting models of > atomic and subatomic particles held dear by many > physicists. Humanity has many new and old scientific > theories to entertain, not to mention techniques in > developing EVs. > > http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php > > BreTT Personally, I just want a Mr. Fusion powered DeLorean and I'll be good. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 12 22:11:35 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D5B3Se013374; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:11:03 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5D5Atdu013292; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:10:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:10:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <466FC2B3.8050608@charter.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:10:59 -0500 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000748-4, 06/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25720 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 387 Actually those power levels are overkill for the transportation end of things. An electric motor (properly designed) will operate in the 95-percentiles of efficiency over a wide range of output RPM and power. It will also give you a leverage against the foibles of automobile wastefulness, as it can act as a generator during breaking that can quickly add back to a system that is able to accept the sudden current. (making these new batteries a wonderful invention) Here is what the experimenters have found. A mid-sized passenger car can be stable at 60 MPH using 4200 W (flat weather-free) The rest is a mater of power management. Note "flat weather-free" is one of those impossible mathematical models of an ideal condition that can never exist because the universe would collapse. Nanook wrote: > I've heard full charge in 3 minutes, 80% in 1 minute. > > It's kind of moot though for an electrical vehicle because of the charging > current that would be required. > > Let's say you design a vehicle with sufficiently low rolling resistance > and wind resistance that it can go 60 MPH on 10HP (you need more power for > acceleration, climbing hills, etc, I'm talking steady freeway speed). > > So allowing for some inefficiency in the controller, wiring, and motor, > you you need say 10Kw continuous power. To go 300 miles you need a 50Kwh > battery. > > Now, let's assume 80% efficiency in the battery, specs I've seen for > various lithium ion batteries range from 50% to high 90's, and they are > dependent upon discharge rate; so if you have enough battery that you can keep > the discharge rate low then you'll do a lot better than say if you only have an > hours worth of driving time and discharge them fast. > > Assuming 80%, it's going to take 62.5 Kwh to charge the batteries, which > would translate 7.8 Kw over 8 hours, that's 32.55 amps on a 240 volt circuit, > very doable, or 62.5 Kw if you charge in an hour, that's 260.42 amps on a 240 > volt circuit, not so doable, most houses don't have over 200 amp services, > there are occasional exceptions but few. Now if you want to charge in five > minutes, that's 750 Kw for five minutes. Now you're looking at 3,125 amps at > 240 volts, that would take some impressive connectors and cabling and > definitely not doable at your home, but if they made charging stations integral > with substations, maybe, as long as all the neighbors didn't mind their lights > dimming. > > If electric cars became the norm, then I could see that kind of > infrastructure developing eventually, probably gradually; but not doable right > from the get go. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > >> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:14 -0700 >> From: M J Mitch Mitchell >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines >> Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:20 -0700 >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> "With the recent rush to use LiIon batteries for just about everything." >> >> Has anyone heard further about the batteries that I believe Toshiba >> claims to have produced that attain 80% charge in less than 5 minutes? If >> these can be produced at a reasonable cost, I can only imagine what it >> will do the the automotive and electronics world. Can you imagine >> recharging your car in less time that it would take to pump fossil fuel? >> "Hybrid" would take on a whole new meaning as would a battery powered >> vehicle. Of course, you still have the problem of generating the power to >> recharge, but with people like Col. Tom Bearden and his "MEG" (which I >> read is patented and near developement) that may not be a problem at all. >> Goodbye smog? Probably not, but a bunch less! >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN >> >> > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 12 22:28:35 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D5SEOY030462; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:28:14 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5D5SD4I030452; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:28:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:28:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines In-Reply-To: <466FC2B3.8050608@charter.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25721 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 388 I think your figures are way optimistic and at the very least way out of line from other peoples experiences I've known, but then one has to define mid-sized. If mid-sized is 1600 pound tear-drop shaped, maybe. At any rate, 4200 watts, only cuts the problem by a little more than half, so you're down to needing a 4000 amp service, still out of the range of normal electrical hookups and a hell of a connector and wiring harness. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Charles Ford wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:10:59 -0500 > From: Charles Ford > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines > Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:10:55 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Actually those power levels are overkill for the transportation end of > things. > > An electric motor (properly designed) will operate in the 95-percentiles > of efficiency over a wide range of output RPM and power. It will also > give you a leverage against the foibles of automobile wastefulness, as > it can act as a generator during breaking that can quickly add back to a > system that is able to accept the sudden current. (making these new > batteries a wonderful invention) > > Here is what the experimenters have found. > > A mid-sized passenger car can be stable at 60 MPH using 4200 W (flat > weather-free) > The rest is a mater of power management. Note "flat weather-free" is > one of those impossible mathematical models of an ideal condition that > can never exist because the universe would collapse. > > Nanook wrote: > > I've heard full charge in 3 minutes, 80% in 1 minute. > > > > It's kind of moot though for an electrical vehicle because of the charging > > current that would be required. > > > > Let's say you design a vehicle with sufficiently low rolling resistance > > and wind resistance that it can go 60 MPH on 10HP (you need more power for > > acceleration, climbing hills, etc, I'm talking steady freeway speed). > > > > So allowing for some inefficiency in the controller, wiring, and motor, > > you you need say 10Kw continuous power. To go 300 miles you need a 50Kwh > > battery. > > > > Now, let's assume 80% efficiency in the battery, specs I've seen for > > various lithium ion batteries range from 50% to high 90's, and they are > > dependent upon discharge rate; so if you have enough battery that you can keep > > the discharge rate low then you'll do a lot better than say if you only have an > > hours worth of driving time and discharge them fast. > > > > Assuming 80%, it's going to take 62.5 Kwh to charge the batteries, which > > would translate 7.8 Kw over 8 hours, that's 32.55 amps on a 240 volt circuit, > > very doable, or 62.5 Kw if you charge in an hour, that's 260.42 amps on a 240 > > volt circuit, not so doable, most houses don't have over 200 amp services, > > there are occasional exceptions but few. Now if you want to charge in five > > minutes, that's 750 Kw for five minutes. Now you're looking at 3,125 amps at > > 240 volts, that would take some impressive connectors and cabling and > > definitely not doable at your home, but if they made charging stations integral > > with substations, maybe, as long as all the neighbors didn't mind their lights > > dimming. > > > > If electric cars became the norm, then I could see that kind of > > infrastructure developing eventually, probably gradually; but not doable right > > from the get go. > > > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:14 -0700 > >> From: M J Mitch Mitchell > >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> Subject: Re: [FG]: Under water Tubines > >> Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:20 -0700 > >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> > >> > >> "With the recent rush to use LiIon batteries for just about everything." > >> > >> Has anyone heard further about the batteries that I believe Toshiba > >> claims to have produced that attain 80% charge in less than 5 minutes? If > >> these can be produced at a reasonable cost, I can only imagine what it > >> will do the the automotive and electronics world. Can you imagine > >> recharging your car in less time that it would take to pump fossil fuel? > >> "Hybrid" would take on a whole new meaning as would a battery powered > >> vehicle. Of course, you still have the problem of generating the power to > >> recharge, but with people like Col. Tom Bearden and his "MEG" (which I > >> read is patented and near developement) that may not be a problem at all. > >> Goodbye smog? Probably not, but a bunch less! > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 13 20:34:40 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E3Xu8a001296; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:33:56 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5E3XsqE001284; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:33:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:33:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <4670FD76.5060802@charter.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:33:58 -0500 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: e-car conversions. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000748-5, 06/13/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25722 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 389 Nanook: Don't forget to do the math on your power levels. 4200 W from a 4.2V LiIon cluster is 1000 A, and if you string three clusters in series its a 12.6V battery, 4200W is now 333A and so on. In order to get 5HP continuous out of an electric motor you will need to look at motors that run at 90V, (off the shelf) or devide the problem into a bunch of smaller separately-powered drive clusters. The higher voltage decreases your IR losses as well as the cost of your parts. Also the traditional transmission to rear wheel, shaft, ring and spider gear setup sucks for efficiency. Balancing power from left to right is a necessary aspect of any 4 wheel vehicle and a transmission is way to handy to retire. But they could be designed better. there are some things about electric that allow you to cut some corners. The gears don't have to be as stout because the electric motor does not provide the "hammer blow" of a reciprocating engine. Also the power curve is much flatter, (basically current translates to torque and volts to RPM) The transmission will only require two gears (low and high) to be competent (three if your motor will only turn one way). Since the electric motor requires only a fraction of the space of it's fuel burning preprocessors, there is lots of room for batteries, especially if you jerk out the fuel tank. The choice of LiIon over Lead-Acid is a design preference, not a necessity. Lead-Acid is about 110 Kj / Kg LiIon is currently about 800 Kj / Kg You will have to make a choice between cost and range, to stay in your allowable curb weight. Nanook wrote: > I think your figures are way optimistic and at the very least way out of > line from other peoples experiences I've known, but then one has to define > mid-sized. If mid-sized is 1600 pound tear-drop shaped, maybe. > > At any rate, 4200 watts, only cuts the problem by a little more than half, > so you're down to needing a 4000 amp service, still out of the range of normal > electrical hookups and a hell of a connector and wiring harness. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Charles Ford wrote: > > slash... plop From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 13 20:58:23 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E3wJqb031996; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:58:19 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5E3wIlZ031981; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:58:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:58:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: e-car conversions. In-Reply-To: <4670FD76.5060802@charter.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25723 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 390 I was refering to the impracticality of charging in three minutes from a 240v circuit in 3 minutes. Battery string voltage of coarse depends on the system and for that kind of capacity you would want to go to a higher voltage to keep the currents reasonable. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Charles Ford wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:33:58 -0500 > From: Charles Ford > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: e-car conversions. > Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:33:54 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Nanook: > > Don't forget to do the math on your power levels. > > 4200 W from a 4.2V LiIon cluster is 1000 A, and if you string three > clusters in series its a 12.6V battery, 4200W is now 333A and so on. > > In order to get 5HP continuous out of an electric motor you will need to > look at motors that run at 90V, (off the shelf) or devide the problem > into a bunch of smaller separately-powered drive clusters. The higher > voltage decreases your IR losses as well as the cost of your parts. > > Also the traditional transmission to rear wheel, shaft, ring and spider > gear setup sucks for efficiency. > > Balancing power from left to right is a necessary aspect of any 4 wheel > vehicle and a transmission is way to handy to retire. But they could be > designed better. > > there are some things about electric that allow you to cut some corners. > > The gears don't have to be as stout because the electric motor does not > provide the "hammer blow" of a reciprocating engine. Also the power > curve is much flatter, (basically current translates to torque and volts > to RPM) The transmission will only require two gears (low and high) to > be competent (three if your motor will only turn one way). Since the > electric motor requires only a fraction of the space of it's fuel > burning preprocessors, there is lots of room for batteries, especially > if you jerk out the fuel tank. > > The choice of LiIon over Lead-Acid is a design preference, not a necessity. > > Lead-Acid is about 110 Kj / Kg LiIon is currently about 800 Kj / Kg > You will have to make a choice between cost and range, to stay in your > allowable curb weight. > > Nanook wrote: > > I think your figures are way optimistic and at the very least way out of > > line from other peoples experiences I've known, but then one has to define > > mid-sized. If mid-sized is 1600 pound tear-drop shaped, maybe. > > > > At any rate, 4200 watts, only cuts the problem by a little more than half, > > so you're down to needing a 4000 amp service, still out of the range of normal > > electrical hookups and a hell of a connector and wiring harness. > > > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Charles Ford wrote: > > > > > slash... plop > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 13 22:03:24 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E536FZ013934; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:03:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5E5339f013928; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:03:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:03:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.81.156.54] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com In-Reply-To: From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: e-car conversions. 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There is a small shop in Fontana CA. named "Eyeball Engineering" that is into racing motorcycles, both fueled and battery powered. The battery powered bike uses an aircraft generator as a motor. What alterations have been done I dio not know, but I would guess that it isn't stock. The owners came accross some batteries made in Austrailia that are some sort of "gel cells" that take and deliver a charge quite well. The bike has no transmission as yet, but they are working on that. The bike launches the 1/4 mile drag strip under 90 volts of power (full current), then the rider pulls what looks like a hand brake which in fact switches the battery pack from 90 volts to 180 volts (half current) to effectively make the DC motor try to work hard again. The fueled bike they race is a turbocharged Kawasaki that does the 1/4 mile in less than 9 seconds and the rider told me the electric bike leaves the line twice as hard as the Kawasaki buts runs out of work before the 1/8th mile mark, hence the shift to 180 volts in an attempt to make the motor work hard again. Without any transmission, the motor is wound tight at the 1/8th mile mark and there is little or no increase in speed until the 1/4 is done. The bike does the 1/4 mile in under 11 seconds, totally silent except for tire squall as it smokes the 12 inch slick on the rear when it leaves the starting line. The batteries are recharged between rounds by using a portable generator, which I find remarkable as there usually is no more than 15 to 30 minutes between rounds.  Lead acid gel cells? I would not believe it if I had not seen it with my own eyes. (every bit of space under the fairing is used for batteries and the fairing is rather bulky)



      I was refering to the impracticality of charging in three minutes from
a 240v circuit in 3 minutes.

      Battery string voltage of coarse depends on the system and for that kind
of capacity you would want to go to a higher voltage to keep the currents
reasonable.


Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 13 22:12:16 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E5C44t004577; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:12:04 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5E5C2bm004572; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:12:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:12:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:12:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: e-car conversions. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25725 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 392 I don't have any trouble believing it. One thing about electric motors, they produce full torque at zero RPM, where a gasoline engine needs to get up in RPM before it can produce significant power. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:03:01 -0700 > From: M J Mitch Mitchell > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: e-car conversions. > Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:03:03 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > There is a small shop in Fontana CA. named "Eyeball Engineering" that is > into racing motorcycles, both fueled and battery powered. The battery > powered bike uses an aircraft generator as a motor. What alterations have > been done I dio not know, but I would guess that it isn't stock. The > owners came accross some batteries made in Austrailia that are some sort > of "gel cells" that take and deliver a charge quite well. The bike has no > transmission as yet, but they are working on that. The bike launches the > 1/4 mile drag strip under 90 volts of power (full current), then the > rider pulls what looks like a hand brake which in fact switches the > battery pack from 90 volts to 180 volts (half current) to effectively > make the DC motor try to work hard again. The fueled bike they race is a > turbocharged Kawasaki that does the 1/4 mile in less than 9 seconds and > the rider told me the electric bike leaves the line twice as hard as the > Kawasaki buts runs out of work before the 1/8th mile mark, hence the > shift to 180 volts in an attempt to make the motor work hard again. > Without any transmission, the motor is wound tight at the 1/8th mile mark > and there is little or no increase in speed until the 1/4 is done. The > bike does the 1/4 mile in under 11 seconds, totally silent except for > tire squall as it smokes the 12 inch slick on the rear when it leaves the > starting line. The batteries are recharged between rounds by using a > portable generator, which I find remarkable as there usually is no more > than 15 to 30 minutes between rounds. Lead acid gel cells? I would not > believe it if I had not seen it with my own eyes. (every bit of space > under the fairing is used for batteries and the fairing is rather bulky) > > > > I was refering to the impracticality of charging in > three minutes from > a 240v circuit in 3 minutes. > > Battery string voltage of coarse depends on the system > and for that kind > of capacity you would want to go to a higher voltage to keep > the currents > reasonable. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 14 02:34:46 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E9YIOY020000; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:34:18 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5E9YGr3019971; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:34:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:34:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=FlVVAEali5TZUHhbKDO9jL8u/WoBGw33kQguCCdNJJ2WDEwbYiICOlW3PCguP81g/53MYFy2F+OKzeLkoZ54xSlqH3WTNVK3EKpzr8LRnzrMcqqWimtN+VUH8id1zfmQZ+2zpp5STqyfQxh9jLf5I3zt/84oJbn6oNpZa3xv6UY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=FJETERoZTDSNQAYiK17dMOJRuki4sDmzasy5qraQPSxlM6EskZ+LFKuTd7IEpyZezyo7+46fRTQj8kmF8DCrbng5FLA77kkCWk5xcSuXP/Zwkw4/ecRJS7t/gN2L3ISSi3tnsaoCTs2D9HmAEvS3PspcZNQEscMOTMnd3rmrBJw= From: Bob Paddock Organization: The Designer-III Company http://www.designer-iii.com/ To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: e-car conversions. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:34:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <4670FD76.5060802@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <4670FD76.5060802@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706140534.10508.bob.paddock@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25726 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 393 On Thursday 14 June 2007 04:33, Charles Ford wrote: > The choice of LiIon over Lead-Acid is a design preference, not a necessity. There are newer types of Li batteries for the "Motive" market: http://www.valence.com/markets.asp?market=5 There are other companies as well trying to capitalize on the upcoming demand for electric car batteries. One of the major car companies, don't recall which one, just announced the they would not use Lithium batteries due to the "safety" of them, pointing to the exploding Laptop Li batteries as an example. Seems even they don't know of the newer technologies, or there is more to their pull-back (Bought off by Big Oil again?). -- http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 14 11:54:57 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5EIskm8007573; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:54:46 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5EIsjO2007558; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:54:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:54:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: e-car conversions. In-Reply-To: <200706140534.10508.bob.paddock@gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25728 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 394 The energy density of lithium ion in terms of wh/g verses lead acid really makes lithium ion more than a "design choice" if you want to go more than 50 miles. Lead acid packs around 25 watt-hour/kilogram, nickle-metal hydride about 60-100 watt-hour/kilogram, lithium ion about 110 watt-hour/kilogram, and lithium ion polymer, 130-1200 watt-hours/kilogram. Lead acid is also extremely inefficient in terms of charge/discharge efficiency with 50% a fairly ballpark figure. Lithium ion can be that bad under really adverse conditions but the best cells return as much as 99.9% of the energy put into them under ideal conditions (low charge/discharge rates), and nickle-metal hydride can get up in the 90% range if the charge/discharge rates are not too high for the cell in question. Lead acid is of coarse cheap relative to the other technologies, but the energy efficiency and relatively low number of deep discharge cycles it tolerates will make it more expensive to use. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Bob Paddock wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:34:10 -0400 > From: Bob Paddock > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: e-car conversions. > Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:34:16 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 04:33, Charles Ford wrote: > > > The choice of LiIon over Lead-Acid is a design preference, not a necessity. > > There are newer types of Li batteries for the "Motive" market: > > http://www.valence.com/markets.asp?market=5 > > There are other companies as well trying to capitalize > on the upcoming demand for electric car batteries. > > One of the major car companies, don't recall which one, > just announced the they would not use Lithium batteries > due to the "safety" of them, pointing to the exploding > Laptop Li batteries as an example. Seems even > they don't know of the newer technologies, or there > is more to their pull-back (Bought off by Big Oil again?). > > > -- > http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ > http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ > http://www.unusualresearch.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 24 20:01:47 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P31RRn022006; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:01:27 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5P31Q9C021965; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:01:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:01:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <008801c7b6d6$6a1276c0$d0946144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:10:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25729 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 395 Well, I have the miles of copper, But, No time and no electrical skills. Thus, If someone lives in the Yukon Oklahoma area, Call me Randy at 1-405-354-0033 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Widup" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Hi Kel, On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote: > > Finding a book in a library may be difficult as I live in Australia. I > thought that someone who has a history of looking at this stuff, such > as someone on this forum may have played with Newman's idea from the > book. > I never got around to obtaining the many pounds (and miles) of copper wire it would require to make the device. If I did, then I'd have to wind the darned thing. It isn't something you can throw together over a weekend. > From what I have read on the website I get the impression that he is > harnessing the back emf from the field coils and then using it as a > source to drive his motor. I need to read more from the web site but if > this is so then it would be easy to test this idea. You could power a > small transformer off a small battery and discharge the back emf from > the secondary into a large capacitor. Measure the power when > discharging the cap and see how much energy is available. Then compare > it to the small battery input. > > Anyone ever tried this? > > Kel. That's my idea, too. Vaguely similar to the Gray motor. You probably gain some efficiency but most likely it isn't over unity by a long shot. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 24 20:34:18 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P3XaP0003636; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:33:38 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5P3XUlP003611; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:33:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:33:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [61.8.13.50] X-Originating-Email: [toki_29@hotmail.com] X-Sender: toki_29@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <008801c7b6d6$6a1276c0$d0946144@ok.cox.net> From: "Kel Blackman" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:33:17 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2007 03:33:20.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[93982A50:01C7B6D9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25730 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 396

Can't help you out Randy as I live in Australia but if you have the knowhow I'd be interested in looking at what it takes to get a unit working. Is this information available?

Kel.

From:  "Randy E Hargraves" <randyehargraves@cox.net>
Reply-To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:  <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
CC:  <smlls2k4@cox.net>
Subject:  Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman
Date:  Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:10:40 -0500
Well, I have the miles of copper, But, No time and no electrical skills.
Thus, If someone lives in the Yukon Oklahoma area, Call me
Randy at
1-405-354-0033


----- Original Message -----
From: "Zack Widup" <w9sz@prairienet.org>
To: <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman



Hi Kel,

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote:

>
> Finding a book in a library may be difficult as I live in Australia. I
> thought that someone who has a history of looking at this stuff, such
> as someone on this forum may have played with Newman's idea from the
> book.
>

I never got around to obtaining the many pounds (and miles) of copper wire
it would require to make the device.  If I did, then I'd have to wind the
darned thing. It isn't something you can throw together over a weekend.

> From what I have read on the website I get the impression that he is
> harnessing the back emf from the field coils and then using it as a
> source to drive his motor. I need to read more from the web site but if
> this is so then it would be easy to test this idea. You could power a
> small transformer off a small battery and discharge the back emf from
> the secondary into a large capacitor. Measure the power when
> discharging the cap and see how much energy is available. Then compare
> it to the small battery input.
>
> Anyone ever tried this?
>
> Kel.

That's my idea, too.  Vaguely similar to the Gray motor. You probably gain
some efficiency but most likely it isn't over unity by a long shot.

Zack



Live Earth Alerts - Seven Philips home theatre systems to win. Go now! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 24 21:11:48 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P4BUuR001898; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:11:30 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5P4BTGM001892; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:11:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:11:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <00f501c7b6e0$16ae4e00$d0946144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:19:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C7B6B6.2D274580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25731 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 397 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C7B6B6.2D274580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think so, I am the wrong one to ask on that question though. I think that the (M.E.G.) Motionless Electormegnetic Generator HAS PLENTY OF INFORMATION FOR REPRODUCING. AS WELL AS THE (TME ENERGY PUMP) I WOULD LIKE TO CREATE A COLLECTION OF ALL THESE DEVICES. A LOCATION WERE PEOPLE COULD GO AND WITNESS THESE VARRIOUS DEVICES AND = PREHAPS DO A FEW TESTS TO VARIFY OVER UNITY OR NOT. OR A PLACE TO GET TO GETHER AND DUPLICATE THESE DEVISES. Wow, who out there can help me full fill my dream. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kel Blackman=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Can't help you out Randy as I live in Australia but if you have the = knowhow I'd be interested in looking at what it takes to get a unit = working. Is this information available? Kel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: "Randy E Hargraves" Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: CC: Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:10:40 -0500 Well, I have the miles of copper, But, No time and no electrical = skills. Thus, If someone lives in the Yukon Oklahoma area, Call me Randy at 1-405-354-0033 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Widup" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Hi Kel, On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote: > > Finding a book in a library may be difficult as I live in = Australia. I > thought that someone who has a history of looking at this stuff, = such > as someone on this forum may have played with Newman's idea from = the > book. > I never got around to obtaining the many pounds (and miles) of = copper wire it would require to make the device. If I did, then I'd have to = wind the darned thing. It isn't something you can throw together over a = weekend. > From what I have read on the website I get the impression that he = is > harnessing the back emf from the field coils and then using it as = a > source to drive his motor. I need to read more from the web site = but if > this is so then it would be easy to test this idea. You could = power a > small transformer off a small battery and discharge the back emf = from > the secondary into a large capacitor. Measure the power when > discharging the cap and see how much energy is available. Then = compare > it to the small battery input. > > Anyone ever tried this? > > Kel. That's my idea, too. Vaguely similar to the Gray motor. You = probably gain some efficiency but most likely it isn't over unity by a long shot. Zack -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Live Earth Alerts - Seven Philips home theatre systems to win. Go now! ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C7B6B6.2D274580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think so, I  am the wrong one to = ask on that=20 question though.
 
I think that the (M.E.G.)  = Motionless=20 Electormegnetic Generator
HAS  PLENTY OF INFORMATION FOR=20 REPRODUCING.
AS WELL AS THE (TME ENERGY = PUMP)
I WOULD LIKE TO CREATE A COLLECTION OF = ALL THESE=20 DEVICES.
A LOCATION WERE PEOPLE COULD GO AND = WITNESS THESE=20 VARRIOUS DEVICES AND PREHAPS DO A FEW TESTS TO VARIFY OVER UNITY OR=20 NOT.
OR A PLACE TO GET TO GETHER AND = DUPLICATE THESE=20 DEVISES.
 
Wow, who out there can help me full = fill my=20 dream.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kel = Blackman
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 = 10:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph = Newman

Can't help you out Randy as I live in Australia but if you have the = knowhow=20 I'd be interested in looking at what it takes to get a unit working. = Is this=20 information available?

Kel.

From:  "Randy E Hargraves" <randyehargraves@cox.net>
Reply-To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:&= nbsp; <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
= CC:  <smlls2k4@cox.net>
Subject:=   Re:=20 [FG]: Joseph Newman
Date:  Sun, 24 Jun 2007 = 22:10:40=20 -0500
Well, I have the miles of copper, But, No time and no=20 electrical skills.
Thus, If someone lives in the Yukon Oklahoma = area,=20 Call me
Randy at
1-405-354-0033


----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: "Zack Widup" <w9sz@prairienet.org>
To:=20 <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman



Hi = Kel,

On Mon,=20 4 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote:

>
> Finding a book = in a=20 library may be difficult as I live in Australia. I
> thought = that=20 someone who has a history of looking at this stuff, such
> as = someone=20 on this forum may have played with Newman's idea from the
>=20 book.
>

I never got around to obtaining the many pounds = (and=20 miles) of copper wire
it would require to make the = device.  If=20 I did, then I'd have to wind the
darned thing. It isn't something = you can=20 throw together over a weekend.

> From what I have read on = the=20 website I get the impression that he is
> harnessing the back = emf from=20 the field coils and then using it as a
> source to drive his = motor. I=20 need to read more from the web site but if
> this is so then = it would=20 be easy to test this idea. You could power a
> small = transformer off a=20 small battery and discharge the back emf from
> the secondary = into a=20 large capacitor. Measure the power when
> discharging the cap = and see=20 how much energy is available. Then compare
> it to the small = battery=20 input.
>
> Anyone ever tried this?
>
>=20 Kel.

That's my idea, too.  Vaguely similar to the = Gray=20 motor. You probably gain
some efficiency but most likely it isn't = over=20 unity by a long = shot.

Zack


Live Earth Alerts - Seven Philips home theatre systems to win. Go = now!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C7B6B6.2D274580-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 24 21:15:43 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P4FFY0022736; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:15:15 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5P4FEfQ022711; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:15:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:15:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <00fb01c7b6e0$9c6a7320$d0946144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:23:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C7B6B6.B2D2A1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <_iYQlB.A.riF.RF0fGB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25732 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 398 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C7B6B6.B2D2A1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If some one has the same kind of interrests as I do. you can reach me at=20 Randy Hargraves 601 John F. Kroutil Drive Yukon, Oklahoma 73099 1-405-350-0503 Home 1-405-354-0033 Cell ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kel Blackman=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Can't help you out Randy as I live in Australia but if you have the = knowhow I'd be interested in looking at what it takes to get a unit = working. Is this information available? Kel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: "Randy E Hargraves" Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: CC: Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:10:40 -0500 Well, I have the miles of copper, But, No time and no electrical = skills. Thus, If someone lives in the Yukon Oklahoma area, Call me Randy at 1-405-354-0033 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Widup" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Hi Kel, On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote: > > Finding a book in a library may be difficult as I live in = Australia. I > thought that someone who has a history of looking at this stuff, = such > as someone on this forum may have played with Newman's idea from = the > book. > I never got around to obtaining the many pounds (and miles) of = copper wire it would require to make the device. If I did, then I'd have to = wind the darned thing. It isn't something you can throw together over a = weekend. > From what I have read on the website I get the impression that he = is > harnessing the back emf from the field coils and then using it as = a > source to drive his motor. I need to read more from the web site = but if > this is so then it would be easy to test this idea. You could = power a > small transformer off a small battery and discharge the back emf = from > the secondary into a large capacitor. Measure the power when > discharging the cap and see how much energy is available. Then = compare > it to the small battery input. > > Anyone ever tried this? > > Kel. That's my idea, too. Vaguely similar to the Gray motor. You = probably gain some efficiency but most likely it isn't over unity by a long shot. Zack -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Live Earth Alerts - Seven Philips home theatre systems to win. Go now! ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C7B6B6.B2D2A1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If some one has the same kind of = interrests as I=20 do.
 
you can reach me at
 
Randy Hargraves
601 John F. Kroutil Drive
Yukon, Oklahoma 73099
 
1-405-350-0503  Home
1-405-354-0033  Cell
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kel = Blackman
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 = 10:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph = Newman

Can't help you out Randy as I live in Australia but if you have the = knowhow=20 I'd be interested in looking at what it takes to get a unit working. = Is this=20 information available?

Kel.

From:  "Randy E Hargraves" <randyehargraves@cox.net>
Reply-To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:&= nbsp; <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
= CC:  <smlls2k4@cox.net>
Subject:=   Re:=20 [FG]: Joseph Newman
Date:  Sun, 24 Jun 2007 = 22:10:40=20 -0500
Well, I have the miles of copper, But, No time and no=20 electrical skills.
Thus, If someone lives in the Yukon Oklahoma = area,=20 Call me
Randy at
1-405-354-0033


----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: "Zack Widup" <w9sz@prairienet.org>
To:=20 <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman



Hi = Kel,

On Mon,=20 4 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote:

>
> Finding a book = in a=20 library may be difficult as I live in Australia. I
> thought = that=20 someone who has a history of looking at this stuff, such
> as = someone=20 on this forum may have played with Newman's idea from the
>=20 book.
>

I never got around to obtaining the many pounds = (and=20 miles) of copper wire
it would require to make the = device.  If=20 I did, then I'd have to wind the
darned thing. It isn't something = you can=20 throw together over a weekend.

> From what I have read on = the=20 website I get the impression that he is
> harnessing the back = emf from=20 the field coils and then using it as a
> source to drive his = motor. I=20 need to read more from the web site but if
> this is so then = it would=20 be easy to test this idea. You could power a
> small = transformer off a=20 small battery and discharge the back emf from
> the secondary = into a=20 large capacitor. Measure the power when
> discharging the cap = and see=20 how much energy is available. Then compare
> it to the small = battery=20 input.
>
> Anyone ever tried this?
>
>=20 Kel.

That's my idea, too.  Vaguely similar to the = Gray=20 motor. You probably gain
some efficiency but most likely it isn't = over=20 unity by a long = shot.

Zack


Live Earth Alerts - Seven Philips home theatre systems to win. Go = now!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C7B6B6.B2D2A1C0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 24 21:59:32 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P4x8vx012797; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:59:09 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l5P4x830012786; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:59:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:59:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [61.8.13.50] X-Originating-Email: [toki_29@hotmail.com] X-Sender: toki_29@hotmail.com From: "Kel Blackman" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:59:05 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2007 04:59:06.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F0BF500:01C7B6E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25733 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 399

If you want to build a unit and have the know-how then you would not necessarily have to build a full size unit. A small prototype would be OK for testing. What you would have to have is the detail on how the unit is constructed. There are probably some technical aspects to it that make it so unique.

Kel.

From:  "Randy E Hargraves" <randyehargraves@cox.net>
Reply-To:  freenrg-l@eskimo.com
To:  <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
CC:  <smlls2k4@cox.net>
Subject:  Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman
Date:  Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:10:40 -0500
Well, I have the miles of copper, But, No time and no electrical skills.
Thus, If someone lives in the Yukon Oklahoma area, Call me
Randy at
1-405-354-0033


----- Original Message -----
From: "Zack Widup" <w9sz@prairienet.org>
To: <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FG]: Joseph Newman



Hi Kel,

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Kel Blackman wrote:

>
> Finding a book in a library may be difficult as I live in Australia. I
> thought that someone who has a history of looking at this stuff, such
> as someone on this forum may have played with Newman's idea from the
> book.
>

I never got around to obtaining the many pounds (and miles) of copper wire
it would require to make the device.  If I did, then I'd have to wind the
darned thing. It isn't something you can throw together over a weekend.

> From what I have read on the website I get the impression that he is
> harnessing the back emf from the field coils and then using it as a
> source to drive his motor. I need to read more from the web site but if
> this is so then it would be easy to test this idea. You could power a
> small transformer off a small battery and discharge the back emf from
> the secondary into a large capacitor. Measure the power when
> discharging the cap and see how much energy is available. Then compare
> it to the small battery input.
>
> Anyone ever tried this?
>
> Kel.

That's my idea, too.  Vaguely similar to the Gray motor. You probably gain
some efficiency but most likely it isn't over unity by a long shot.

Zack



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To view the latest energy machine video, visit: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5684495902617203266&q=Joseph+Newman&total=149&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0 The video shows something which has never been done before: A 7,500-lb Newman energy machine with a 1,200-lb rotary and a 450-lb flywheel (spinning at hundreds of rpms) powering a 375-lb positive displacement pump with a 4-inch diameter intake/out-take & 10-foot head pumping 5,000 GALLONS PER DAY is running off only: 4 SOLAR PANELS that can produce a MAXIMUM OF JUST UNDER 120 WATTS (up to 400 volts x .287 amps)!!! * * * * * * * Joseph Newman plans to demonstrate the above technology in Phoenix, Arizona on Thursday, July 5, 2007. Please contact Joseph Nolfe at (205) 835-9022 to obtain location/time details in Phoenix. (As of this email, details are being arranged.) * * * * * * * Note: JOSEPH NEWMAN WILL AGAIN BE FEATURED ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL: "BEYOND INVENTION --- New Energy" Energy machine inventor Joseph Newman will be featured on THE SCIENCE CHANNEL three (3) times Wednesday & Thursday, July 4th & 5th. Please consult your local listings for details. Also, here's the weblink address for the Science Channel broadcast times featuring Joseph Newman: http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.13776.120356.11352.x Please let others know about the upcoming broadcasts! Best regards, Evan Soule' JNPCo./NECorp. http://www.josephnewman.com Additional important video seen at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en For additional information, please contact: Mr. Joseph Nolfe President & CEO Newman Energy Corporation (205) 835-9022 * * * * * * * THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN An Invention Whose Time Has Come! Nikola Tesla once wrote: "The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is, will chronicle an event probably greater than any other recorded in the human race." * IMAGINE a civilization with an access to virtually unlimited energy . . . * IMAGINE an energy source that is abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly . . . * IMAGINE a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear . . . * IMAGINE an electromagnetic Motor which runs cool and harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in complete accord with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics . . . * IMAGINE such a Motor powering the world --- every automobile, appliance, home, farm, factory, ship, and plane, at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy . . . * IMAGINE such a Motor enabling us to someday reach the stars --- safely and inexpensively . . . Such a technology now exists: *********************************** THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN *********************************** The A & E (Arts & Entertainment) Network aired a national Special entitled "Conspiracies" which featured the revolutionary technology of Joseph Newman. Joseph Newman has been featured on the CBS Evening News, The Tonight Show, ABC/CNN National News, LIFE Magazine, PBS's "All Things Considered," in thousands of newspapers/ magazines across the world, and on hundreds of radio talk shows presenting his revolutionary technology. Better than 30 physicists, nuclear engineers, electrical engineers, and electrical technicians have signed Affidavits attesting to the validity of Joseph Newman's revolutionary invention: an electromagnetic Motor/Generator that could supply every America's home, farm, business, automobile, and appliance with electrical power at a fraction of the present cost and enable you to become energy independent. ********************************************************** --============_-1029009196==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" *****THE NEWMAN ENERGY MACHINE NOW USES ONLY SOLAR PANELS!
It's Done!
And the results are phenomenal.

To view the latest energy machine video, visit:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5684495902617203266&q=Joseph+Newman&total=149&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0

The video shows something which has never been done before:

A 7,500-lb Newman energy machine with a 1,200-lb rotary and a 450-lb flywheel (spinning at hundreds of rpms) powering a 375-lb positive displacement pump with a 4-inch diameter intake/out-take & 10-foot head pumping 5,000 GALLONS PER DAY is running off only:  4 SOLAR PANELS that can produce a MAXIMUM OF JUST UNDER 120 WATTS (up to 400 volts x .287 amps)!!!

* * * * * * *

Joseph Newman plans to demonstrate the above technology in Phoenix, Arizona
on Thursday, July 5, 2007.

Please contact Joseph Nolfe at (205) 835-9022
to obtain location/time details in Phoenix.
(As of this email, details are being arranged.)

* * * * * * *
Note:

JOSEPH NEWMAN WILL AGAIN BE FEATURED ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL:

"BEYOND INVENTION --- New Energy"

Energy machine inventor Joseph Newman will be featured on THE SCIENCE CHANNEL
three (3) times Wednesday & Thursday, July 4th & 5th.

Please consult your local listings for details.

Also, here's the weblink address for the Science Channel broadcast times featuring Joseph Newman:

http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.13776.120356.11352.x

Please let others know about the upcoming broadcasts!

Best regards,

Evan Soule'
JNPCo./NECorp.
http://www.josephnewman.com
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en

For additional information, please contact:

Mr. Joseph Nolfe
President & CEO
Newman Energy Corporation
(205) 835-9022

* * * * * * *

THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN

An Invention Whose Time Has Come!

Nikola Tesla once wrote:

"The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is,
 will chronicle an event probably greater than any other
 recorded in the human race."

* IMAGINE a civilization with an access to virtually
 unlimited energy . . .

* IMAGINE an energy source that is abundant, inexpensive,
 and environmentally-friendly . . .

* IMAGINE a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas,
 coal, and nuclear . . .

* IMAGINE an electromagnetic Motor which runs cool and
 harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in
 complete accord with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics . . .

* IMAGINE such a Motor powering the world --- every
 automobile, appliance, home, farm, factory, ship, and
 plane, at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy . . .

* IMAGINE such a Motor enabling us to someday reach the
 stars --- safely and inexpensively . . .

Such a technology now exists:

***********************************
THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN
 ***********************************

The A & E (Arts & Entertainment) Network aired a national Special entitled
"Conspiracies" which featured the revolutionary technology of Joseph Newman.

Joseph Newman has been featured on the CBS Evening News, The Tonight Show,
ABC/CNN National News, LIFE Magazine, PBS's "All Things Considered," in thousands of
newspapers/ magazines across the world, and on hundreds of radio talk shows
presenting his revolutionary technology.

Better than 30 physicists, nuclear engineers, electrical engineers, and electrical technicians
have signed Affidavits attesting to the validity of Joseph Newman's revolutionary invention:
an electromagnetic Motor/Generator that could supply every America's home, farm,
business, automobile, and appliance with electrical power at a fraction of the present cost
and enable you to become energy independent.

 **********************************************************








--============_-1029009196==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 9 13:58:09 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69KvkEK022114; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:57:46 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l69KvjBZ022107; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:57:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:57:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PyJpHxsF7KkG18c7cvms3hmU4/5AZ6IaF1g/lAgmlKn1F2J86S2zK3Was0Rp24dhApmTGIgfYoS63gs1qDAKTXTpa6llULGmFq7Jz+IPI5+rQLv2mgvjSTkkTOsgxjb3X+FRCMmlrJ7VZcL9Qr1qF++lkEn7F4gyjjodB5hqy38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qnQdtqzO3KuANrsYZC1as7eSrzzkBNFNUxAfyviPE5kXoDZoAxvWHek9HO55RwOaboRzHHEI+HLOLKa/3VgFcUck7Qe4I+Vwi3iXW/ojBIm/dto5bhzWRj2WvszR/7Dbq7cYsE4lAMGoLTLu25GECa6DoXArRNzdeahcmxyEQdM= Message-ID: <18f744650707091357w18e96105se600eb7cafb0160@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:57:46 -0500 From: "Spiritual Renaissance Center" To: freenrg-l In-Reply-To: <18f744650707091355s16fe343bu6d3992418e10801d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2593_12310920.1184014666573" References: <18f744650707091355s16fe343bu6d3992418e10801d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1-d9G.A.SZF.IFqkGB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25736 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes on display Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 401 ------=_Part_2593_12310920.1184014666573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > Anyone know about this? > > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm > > TH > ------=_Part_2593_12310920.1184014666573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C7C2DE.EE76F490-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 10 02:18:54 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6A9INhL011075; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:18:24 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6A9INSn011064; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:18:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:18:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:18:04 +1200 From: Darryl Ward To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <005a01c7c2d3$388d49a0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7C337.CDA6B260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <18f744650707091355s16fe343bu6d3992418e10801d@mail.gmail.com> <18f744650707091357w18e96105se600eb7cafb0160@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25738 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes on display Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 403 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7C337.CDA6B260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Their website is here: http://www.steorn.com/orbo/technology/ The demonstration had to be cancelled for technical reasons.... Darryl __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spiritual Renaissance Center=20 To: freenrg-l=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: [FG]: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes on display Anyone know about this? http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm=20 TH -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: = 09/07/2007 17:22 ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7C337.CDA6B260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Their website is here: http://www.steorn.com/orb= o/technology/
 
The demonstration had to be cancelled = for technical=20 reasons....
 
Darryl
 
 
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I am forwarding this on behalf of John Rudgier, who was having = technical isues. Darryl __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com=20 To: taliesin@paradise.net.nz=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: FW: [FG]: Re: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes on display Darryl, I cant seem to be able to get this email through to the list for = some reason, (had it knocked back 3 times today) can you forward this = please? Sorry but it seems that the device was never intended to "work" in this = demonstration at all. There are many threads regarding the Steorn Magnetic Motor and their = "failure to launch" on many different lists at the moment covering many = aspects and opinions. Sign up for the Beta-atmosphere Group on Yahoo Groups for an in depth = look at what has been going on and some of the ramifications that are = being read in to the situation. A few of the members on that list are = pretty close to the "coal face" so to speak. There is much conjecture as to the whys & how's of this "failed" demo = but time will be the ultimate judge. Regards and good searching, John. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com [mailto:freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com] = On Behalf Of Darryl Ward Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 5:18 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes on display Their website is here: http://www.steorn.com/orbo/technology/ The demonstration had to be cancelled for technical reasons.... Darryl __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spiritual Renaissance Center=20 To: freenrg-l=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: [FG]: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes on display Anyone know about this? http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm=20 TH -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: = 09/07/2007 17:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: = 10/07/2007 17:44 ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C7C407.55DC3AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please see message below.
 
I am forwarding this on behalf of John = Rudgier, who=20 was having  technical isues.
 
Darryl
 
 
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This message was sent by Darryl Ward.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: FW: [FG]: Re: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes on=20 display

Darryl, I cant seem to be able to get this = email=20 through to the list for some reason, (had it knocked back 3 times=20 today) can you forward this please?

Sorry=20 but it seems that the device was never intended to "work" in this = demonstration=20 at all.

There are many threads regarding the Steorn = Magnetic Motor=20 and their "failure to launch" on many different lists at the moment = covering=20 many aspects and opinions.
 
Sign up for the Beta-atmosphere Group on Yahoo = Groups for=20 an in depth look at what has been going on and some of the ramifications = that=20 are being read in to the situation. A few of the members on that list = are pretty=20 close to the "coal face" so to speak.
 
There is much conjecture as to the whys & = how's of this=20 "failed" demo but time will be the ultimate judge.
 
Regards and good searching,
 
John.

From: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com=20 [mailto:freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of Darryl=20 Ward
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 5:18 PM
To:=20 freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: 'Free' energy = technology=20 goes on display

Their website is here: http://www.steorn.com/orb= o/technology/
 
The demonstration had to be cancelled = for technical=20 reasons....
 
Darryl
 
 
__________________________________
 
This message was sent by Darryl Ward.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Spiritual=20 Renaissance Center
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 = 8:57=20 AM
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------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C7C407.55DC3AE0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 11 11:00:46 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BI03MB026865; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:00:24 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6BHxUOK026663; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:59:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:59:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:59:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1B94D0DE980.00000A74jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: nIBFoZ0QmB0Tn0aNhC_rZJyMwyj9YMYRBnSO2o0daPjrdV06Lt_g0LWkmR8m xkOWy0NsamM7b0VCFN9f5LTjmjKy6eVrBnrDEM-uLfty92AeVLQGHfac_Ekr wfmm5N_1VZb8g_zWKJUjafQ@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25741 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Node to Node Capacitor Charging Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 406 Gabriel Kron was regarded as the greatest American produced electrical = scientist, something which means that he was probably exceeded only by = Tesla. Personally, I've never heard of him, but there was a time when all = that was generally known about Tesla was the Tesla coil. So it's likely = that more will be known about Kron, as time goes by. http://www.cheniere.org/misc/kron.htm At this point, about all I can find out is that he produced a Negative = Resistor back in the 30's, a circuit which could power itself. He was = prevented from giving out any information about his circuit, but he did = say that there were =22open connections=22 between various points of a = circuit, and that power could be taken from node to node within a circuit. = This seems to tie in with the operation of a new circuit I've developed. What I have is a Neon Sign Transformer, the outputs of which are each = connected to a capacitor. The other two wires from the caps are connected = in series with a diode and a bifilar rheostat. When power is applied, the = second cap - the one connected between the large wire wound variable = resistor and the transformer's return wire - is barely charged after a few = seconds. However, when a shunt wire is connected between the second cap's = output (at the NST's return wire) and the first cap's output (between the = cap and the diode), the second cap is almost immediately charged to a high = level. With the shunt wire arcing to the connection point between the = first cap and the diode, that =22open connection=22 arc is weak and = purplish, while the output arc across the second cap is heavy, loud, and = nearly simultaneous with the first arc. In fact, when the first arc is = applied rhythmically, the second arc is simultaneous. It's almost as if the second cap is being charged with a dual phase input. = However, since there's only one phase going into the circuit, this is = likely to be a situation involving the Node to Node energy extraction. = The =22T=22 tap between the diode and its series cap produces a phase = shift between that point and the diode's output and, hence, from one side = of the second cap to the other. In my opinion, the Node to Node = extraction will load the input less than a Phase to Phase extraction, = since one Node has already traveled through the circuit, and only the = subsequent node will load the input. If this is so, some amount of OU is = likely, although I haven't devised a test method yet. JV ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features=21 Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 12 07:50:59 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CEoRcW024212; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:50:28 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6CEoQAI024204; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:50:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:50:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:50:28 -0800 Message-ID: <2681150DBD2.000002AEjerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Node to Node Capacitor Charging To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <1B94D0DE980.00000A74jerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: vvfLpL3n5lW8ZD5NiYQrNDaMe8OFzUE9C1hx-v4OKMSt-OEPMxZaSss-bFY_ O0Nw6ghjV4ScXwJKjt2MDhrabkAyv0XajsJJYt2RdsH6jKgxZ82sUlieySGu 8L-0ygTRP13eGIRGzR8Guzw@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25742 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 407 It's been 22 years since I discovered my =22T=22 Spark effect, and nearly = 5 years since I expanded that circuit and derived my Puff Spark technique. = Now that I've combined the two circuits and have seen what the new = circuit does, I'm starting to think that I don't need the Internet anymore. JV > -----Original Message----- > From: jerryvolland=40inbox.com > Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:59:27 -0800 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: =5BFG=5D: Node to Node Capacitor Charging >=20 >=20 > Gabriel Kron was regarded as the greatest American produced electrical > scientist, something which means that he was probably exceeded only by > Tesla. Personally, I've never heard of him, but there was a time when > all that was generally known about Tesla was the Tesla coil. So it's > likely that more will be known about Kron, as time goes by. >=20 > http://www.cheniere.org/misc/kron.htm >=20 > At this point, about all I can find out is that he produced a Negative > Resistor back in the 30's, a circuit which could power itself. He was > prevented from giving out any information about his circuit, but he did > say that there were =22open connections=22 between various points of a > circuit, and that power could be taken from node to node within a > circuit. This seems to tie in with the operation of a new circuit I've > developed. >=20 > What I have is a Neon Sign Transformer, the outputs of which are each > connected to a capacitor. The other two wires from the caps are > connected in series with a diode and a bifilar rheostat. When power is > applied, the second cap - the one connected between the large wire wound > variable resistor and the transformer's return wire - is barely charged > after a few seconds. However, when a shunt wire is connected between the > second cap's output (at the NST's return wire) and the first cap's output > (between the cap and the diode), the second cap is almost immediately > charged to a high level. With the shunt wire arcing to the connection > point between the first cap and the diode, that =22open connection=22 = arc is > weak and purplish, while the output arc across the second cap is heavy, > loud, and nearly simultaneous with the first arc. In fact, when the > first arc is applied rhythmically, the second arc is simultaneous. >=20 > It's almost as if the second cap is being charged with a dual phase > input. However, since there's only one phase going into the circuit, > this is likely to be a situation involving the Node to Node energy > extraction. The =22T=22 tap between the diode and its series cap = produces a > phase shift between that point and the diode's output and, hence, from > one side of the second cap to the other. In my opinion, the Node to Node > extraction will load the input less than a Phase to Phase extraction, > since one Node has already traveled through the circuit, and only the > subsequent node will load the input. If this is so, some amount of OU is > likely, although I haven't devised a test method yet. >=20 > JV >=20 > ____________________________________________________________ > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features=21 > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 12 08:01:04 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CF0ULV004135; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:00:31 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6CF0TTj004122; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:00:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:00:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <46964203.4020205@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:00:19 -0400 From: Charlie Hodgson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Node to Node Capacitor Charging References: <2681150DBD2.000002AEjerryvolland@inbox.com> In-Reply-To: <2681150DBD2.000002AEjerryvolland@inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25743 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 408 Instantaneous, transdimensional communications? Jerry Volland wrote: > It's been 22 years since I discovered my "T" Spark effect, and nearly 5 years since I expanded that circuit and derived my Puff Spark technique. Now that I've combined the two circuits and have seen what the new circuit does, I'm starting to think that I don't need the Internet anymore. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 12 10:46:43 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CHkEPO008510; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:46:15 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6CHkDFo008479; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:46:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:46:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.145.16.194] X-Originating-Email: [exan_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exan_@hotmail.com From: "Alexander C. Gal" To: References: <2681150DBD2.000002AEjerryvolland@inbox.com> <46964203.4020205@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Node to Node Capacitor Charging Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:51:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2007 17:46:11.0455 (UTC) FILETIME=[88F560F0:01C7C4AC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25744 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 409 Sounds nice. Would you mind to tell us a bit more in detail what the circuits do? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Hodgson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 05:00 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Node to Node Capacitor Charging > Instantaneous, transdimensional communications? > > Jerry Volland wrote: >> It's been 22 years since I discovered my "T" Spark effect, and nearly 5 >> years since I expanded that circuit and derived my Puff Spark technique. >> Now that I've combined the two circuits and have seen what the new >> circuit does, I'm starting to think that I don't need the Internet >> anymore. >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 12 14:42:50 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CLg4Kh026622; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:42:04 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6CLg3r5026602; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:42:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:42:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:42:00 -0800 Message-ID: <2A18EA4AE54.000007BAjerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Node to Node Capacitor Charging To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: <46964203.4020205@bellsouth.net> <2681150dbd2.000002aejerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: b57bf1sBa6jnEolVnRzEyOTYfAkDj6fo9Nf3WKC44u01QS4I37hyC4mhJTUH QJz2Kta86MnczSNCykJnL2aE8iMLdyR_LO9ilFFWC1pyqNwCdkaD9P7uKMuy 8lxyVLxnjRLZ5AFj9ZHahPg@@ Resent-Message-ID: <2l98DC.A.dfG.qAqlGB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25745 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 410 Hi, Alexander. The =22T=22 Spark circuit is a high frequency diode oscillator consisting = of a diode with a series cap on the input and a shunt wire from the = connection between the cap and diode to the diode's output. When used = with a HV source and an arc at the diode's output, the shunt wire will = produce a long, feathery, purple spark to the center of the main arc. = This purple spark consists of a poly phase output which will give you a = shock if you touch the running water from your faucet or the landscape = sprinklers, since the mains neutral doesn't ground the extra phase and it = 'floats' on any nearby moving water. (A battery powered Inverter is = recommended for experimentation, but don't touch the Inverter.) When this circuit is modified with the addition of a bifilar coil with its = own series cap, the new circuit =22splits the positive=22, with the = positive sides of the two caps discharging through the main arc from = different directions, each through its own inductor. This results in the = spark ballooning way up, since the two consecutive frequencies produced by = the bifilar coil produce an ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP) within the arc. = The arc also generates Radiant Energy. In the circuit drawing, only the = transformer's secondary is shown, and the =22D=22 shaped component at the = top is the bifilar coil. http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/setup.jpg When the arc in this circuit is closed, the bottom discharge electrode is = deleted, and a shunt wire is used between the connection point between the = first cap and the diode, up to the second cap's connection with the = transformer, my new circuit appears. Closing this =22open connection=22 - = as Kron would call it - results in a much more rapid charging of the top = cap, probably to a higher voltage. One of my small, home made caps broke = down internally, even though the dielectric I normally use is more than = adequate for the 7.5 kV from the NST. The high frequency output from the = diode oscillator sends millions of charging impulses per split second to = the top cap, hence, the seemingly instantaneous flash over between the = auxilliary spark gap placed across the cap, each time the open connection = is closed by momentarilly allowing the jumper wire to feablily spark to = the upper transformer wire. (With a purplish spark.) The auxilliary = spark gap is more closely spaced than the length of the purple spark, but = that =22T=22 spark itself is longer than the transformer's arc, at any = given voltage. This capacitor charging technique takes energy Node to Node within the = circuit, so the output is likely to be greater than the input. The = circuit can be tested at normal voltages, with different value components, = presuming the =22T=22 Spark effect doesn't require an actual arc for its = oscillation. And yes, there is the potential for instaneous communication = between two points, if the frequency of the Radiant Energy can be lowered = enough. I'm going off line after today (except for periodic visits to the = library), so further contacts with the Group will be intermittent. I've = been searching for Free Energy on the Internet (to power my Mechanical = Space Drive) for the past six or seven years. It turns out that all I may = need to do is focus on my own work. Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: exan_=40hotmail.com > Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:51:31 +0200 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Node to Node Capacitor Charging >=20 > Sounds nice. >=20 > Would you mind to tell us a bit more in detail what the circuits do? >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: =22Charlie Hodgson=22 > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 05:00 PM > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Node to Node Capacitor Charging >=20 >=20 >> Instantaneous, transdimensional communications? >>=20 >> Jerry Volland wrote: >>> It's been 22 years since I discovered my =22T=22 Spark effect, and = nearly 5 >>> years since I expanded that circuit and derived my Puff Spark >>> technique. >>> Now that I've combined the two circuits and have seen what the new >>> circuit does, I'm starting to think that I don't need the Internet >>> anymore. >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 17 20:49:07 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I3mb7T020950; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:48:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6I3mauP020937; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:48:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:48:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <001c01c7c8ee$ec06f8c0$5106573a@JohnandDel> From: "John Mount" To: References: <00d501c7c3a2$c1666520$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:51:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7C942.BCB743A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25746 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 411 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7C942.BCB743A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BOTCHED OR UNLUCKY? Magnet Motors > Steorn > Drawing of Steorn's Botched Demo Device Posted = - Based on the photos of the Orbo demonstrated in London (which didn't = work), a Steorn forum member, "Axle" has drawn his best estimation of = the gizmo. (Thanks T Lee Buyea) FE_updates@yahoogroups.com http://www.freeenergynews.com/newsletters/=20 sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com Botched or unlucky? How embarassing it must have been in front of the = newsmedia &etc!=20 Botched or unlucky or Gremlins? This seems to be a common occurrence = involving supposed or alleged Free Energy devices.How many times in the = past have we heard how, just when the inventor is on the verge of=20 revealing all, or about to demonstrate his device, something goes wrong = and the device (a) refuses to work (b) is 'accidentally' destroyed or = lost (c) or the inventor disappears,dies, is exposed as a fraud, or is = wrongly accused of fraud? Are there persons or something determined to prevent FE from becoming = available to the world? Above message sent by John Mount ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Darryl Ward=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Cc: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: [FG]:=20 Please see message below. I am forwarding this on behalf of John Rudgier, who was having = technical isues. Darryl __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com=20 To: taliesin@paradise.net.nz=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: FW: [FG]: Re: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes on display Darryl, I cant seem to be able to get this email through to the list = for some reason, (had it knocked back 3 times today) can you forward = this please? Sorry but it seems that the device was never intended to "work" in = this demonstration at all. There are many threads regarding the Steorn Magnetic Motor and their = "failure to launch" on many different lists at the moment covering many = aspects and opinions. Sign up for the Beta-atmosphere Group on Yahoo Groups for an in depth = look at what has been going on and some of the ramifications that are = being read in to the situation. A few of the members on that list are = pretty close to the "coal face" so to speak. There is much conjecture as to the whys & how's of this "failed" demo = but time will be the ultimate judge. Regards and good searching, John. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com = [mailto:freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Ward Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 5:18 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes on display Their website is here: http://www.steorn.com/orbo/technology/ The demonstration had to be cancelled for technical reasons.... Darryl __________________________________ This message was sent by Darryl Ward. www.dward.tk=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7C942.BCB743A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
BOTCHED OR=20 UNLUCKY?
Mag= net=20 Motors > Steorn=20 > Drawing=20 of Steorn's Botched Demo Device Posted - Based on the = photos of the=20 Orbo demonstrated in London (which didn't work), a Steorn forum member, = "Axle"=20 has drawn his best estimation of the gizmo. (Thanks T Lee Buyea)
 sterlingda@pureenergysys= tems.com
 
Botched or unlucky? How = embarassing it=20 must have been in front of the newsmedia &etc!
Botched or unlucky or = Gremlins? This=20 seems to be a common occurrence involving supposed or alleged Free = Energy=20 devices.How many times in = the=20 past have we heard how, just when the inventor is on the verge = of=20
revealing all, or about = to demonstrate his device, something = goes wrong=20 and the device (a) = refuses to work=20 (b) is 'accidentally' destroyed or lost (c) or the inventor = disappears,dies,=20 is exposed as a fraud, or is wrongly accused of fraud?
 
Are there persons or=20 something determined to prevent FE from becoming available to the=20 world?
 
Above message sent by John=20 Mount
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Darryl Ward
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 = 8:03=20 PM
Subject: [FG]:

Please see message = below.
 
I am forwarding this on behalf of = John Rudgier,=20 who was having  technical isues.
 
Darryl
 
 
__________________________________
 
This message was sent by Darryl Ward.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: FW: [FG]: Re: Re: 'Free' energy technology goes = on=20 display

Darryl, I cant seem to be able to get this = email=20 through to the list for some reason, (had it knocked back 3 times=20 today) can you forward this please?

Sorry=20 but it seems that the device was never intended to "work" in this=20 demonstration at all.

There are many threads regarding the Steorn = Magnetic=20 Motor and their "failure to launch" on many different lists at the = moment=20 covering many aspects and opinions.
 
Sign up for the Beta-atmosphere Group on = Yahoo Groups for=20 an in depth look at what has been going on and some of the = ramifications that=20 are being read in to the situation. A few of the members on that list = are=20 pretty close to the "coal face" so to speak.
 
There is much conjecture as to the whys & = how's of=20 this "failed" demo but time will be the ultimate = judge.
 
Regards and good searching,
 
John.

From: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com = [mailto:freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of Darryl=20 Ward
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 5:18 PM
To:=20 freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: 'Free' energy = technology=20 goes on display

Their website is here: http://www.steorn.com/orb= o/technology/
 
The demonstration had to be cancelled = for=20 technical reasons....
 
Darryl
 
 
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  ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7C942.BCB743A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 21 12:25:27 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJOw5d012273; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:24:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6LJOvF7012263; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:24:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:24:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:11:18 -0500 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: "JNPCo." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1027077415==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25747 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: *********UPDATED CLOSED SYSTEM VIDEO 1 FROM JOSEPH NEWMAN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 412 --============_-1027077415==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" UPDATED CLOSED SYSTEM VIDEO 1 FROM JOSEPH NEWMAN: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4290794214864470920 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JNPCo/NECorp. http://www.josephnewman.com Important video seen at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en * * * * * * * --============_-1027077415==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" *********UPDATED CLOSED SYSTEM VIDEO 1 FROM JOSEPH NEWMAN
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--============_-1027077415==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 22 21:19:46 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N4JZBp020712; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:19:35 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6N4JYK5020706; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:19:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:19:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-YMail-OSG: x7FCl98VM1m9S5x_0gTgYdDzCXrtNvS93_gZkFEkJ0NR2xQSNFVIOVppbKFEnBkLo04IcqPB8wxqe3hkaoL6kcSVay6ndPs6rKJg Message-ID: <095501c7cce0$a7f217f0$4101a8c0@JAMESJR> Reply-To: "James J Youlton Jr" From: "James J Youlton Jr" To: References: <00d501c7c3a2$c1666520$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> <001c01c7c8ee$ec06f8c0$5106573a@JohnandDel> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:19:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0952_01C7CCA5.FA91AE70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25748 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Harnessing the Rotation of the Earth as a Power Source Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 413 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0952_01C7CCA5.FA91AE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've been working on a project for a number of years (16 years!) and = I've come to the conclusion that it is just too big for me to handle = alone. I've uploaded a demonstration of how to harness the rotation of = the Earth as a power source to youtube.com at = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ds_NrHkQps9k I would like to get as many people to see this as possible so that = perhaps someone would at least help or take over the project. The video is a time-lapse of a round pyrex mixing bowl floating in a = bucket of water. The bowl naturally rotates because of the rotation of = the Earth. Comments, suggestions, or even air time pointing to the = video would be most appreciated. James Youlton 3415 Oleander Dr Highland, CA 92346 youjaes@v-sonline.com ------=_NextPart_000_0952_01C7CCA5.FA91AE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I've been working on a project for a number of = years (16=20 years!) and I've come to the conclusion that it is just too big for me = to handle=20 alone.  I've uploaded a demonstration of how to harness the = rotation of the=20 Earth as a power source to youtube.com at http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3Ds_NrHkQps9k
 
I would like to get as many people to see this as = possible so=20 that perhaps someone would at least help or take over the = project.
 
The video is a time-lapse of a round pyrex = mixing bowl=20 floating in a bucket of water.  The bowl naturally rotates because = of the=20 rotation of the Earth.  Comments, suggestions, or even air time = pointing to=20 the video would be most appreciated.
 
James Youlton
3415 Oleander Dr
Highland, CA 92346
 
youjaes@v-sonline.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0952_01C7CCA5.FA91AE70-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 26 10:29:53 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QHTOVc012621; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:29:24 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6QHTMbo012599; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:29:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:29:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:29:10 -0500 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: "JNPCo." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1026651542==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25749 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: ********The Newman Energy Machine: It's Done! A CLOSED SYSTEM. Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 414 --============_-1026651542==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" It's Done! A life's work. The 7500-lb energy machine will now try to reach the SPEED OF LIGHT! Not by batteries or solar panels. But by GENERATOR ONLY! THIS IS A CLOSED SYSTEM. Any size can now be built! Only sincere individuals contact Joseph Nolfe at: 205-835-9022. We are now looking for an ELABORATE SITE to be provided for a continuous demonstration to the world - visible publicly and on the internet via webcam. Call Joseph Nolfe at 205-835-9022 if you know of an available demonstration site. Thank you! Joseph W. Newman * * * * * * * * * * JNPCo/NECorp. http://www.josephnewman.com Important video seen at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en For additional information, please contact: Mr. Joseph Nolfe President & CEO Newman Energy Corporation (205) 835-9022 --============_-1026651542==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" ********The Newman Energy Machine: It's Done! A CLOSED SY
It's Done!

A life's work.

The 7500-lb energy machine will now try
to reach the SPEED OF LIGHT!

Not by batteries or solar panels.

But by GENERATOR ONLY!

THIS IS A CLOSED SYSTEM.

Any size can now be built!

Only sincere individuals contact Joseph Nolfe at: 205-835-9022.

We are now looking for an ELABORATE SITE to be provided
for a continuous demonstration to the world -
visible publicly and on the internet via webcam.

Call Joseph Nolfe at 205-835-9022
if you know of an available demonstration site.

Thank you!

Joseph W. Newman

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JNPCo/NECorp.
http://www.josephnewman.com
Important video seen at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en

For additional information, please contact:

Mr. Joseph Nolfe
President & CEO
Newman Energy Corporation
(205) 835-9022
--============_-1026651542==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 31 03:13:47 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VAD7rf010430; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:13:08 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6VAD6M8010360; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:13:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:13:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.16) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 31 Jul 2007 10:03:20 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Jack Trucker" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:04:40 +0800 X-Originating-Ip: 70.161.170.3 X-Originating-Server: ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20070731100440.437CD7B7AB@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25750 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Plasma related toys for sale... Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 415 Hello I wanted people on the list to know I have quite a few brand new plasma related toys for sale right now, first I have pocket plasmas for sale, you can see what they are here http://www.zerotoys.com/newsite/products/WarablePocketPlasma.htm I have three colors blue green and multicolor. I'm asking $16 a piece for them plus shipping which should be fairly cheap since they are so small, these units are pretty unique, run off only 2 AAA batteries and I think output 9-10KV AC, it takes alot of voltage to activate crackle tubes, so you could use the circuits to power high voltage experiments and use the crackle disk to decorate things around running coils if you wanted. Let me know how many you want and I'll see what I can arrange. I'm also selling brand new plasma mugs for $17 plus shipping and handling,you can see what they look like here http://www.kleargear.com/1721.html these are really great around coils even small ones activate them, and use small HF transformers to energize the mug. Not to deter anyone but please only respond if you're serious about purchasing these. Thanks --=20 _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.jp.popstarmail.org From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 31 04:09:41 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VB9NqI025242; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:09:23 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6VB9MdE025227; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:09:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:09:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.16) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 31 Jul 2007 10:59:31 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Jack Trucker" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:00:42 +0800 X-Originating-Ip: 70.161.170.3 X-Originating-Server: ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20070731110042.644497B7AB@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25751 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Hand held Lightning lamps for sale... Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 416 I'm letting the list know I have several "Hand Held Lightning" lamps for sa= le now, they're basically Xenon plasma lamps, they're very pretty in operat= ion, and come with a base, or you can screw them into standard light socket= s, they're brand new, you can see pictures of them here http://img147.image= venue.com/view.php?image=3D77022_100_05252_122_709lo.JPG http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=3D61259_light_122_800lo.jpg http://img183.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=3D78053_100_05292_122_576lo.JPG And you can see a video of it in operation here http://rapidshare.com/files/46063467/100_0526.MOV.html The manufacturer stopped producing these, so they're somewhat of a rare ite= m, they were only on the market for about a year tops. I'm asking $22 plus = shipping for each, let me know how many you want when you respond if intere= sted.=20 --=20 _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.jp.popstarmail.org From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 31 16:53:43 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VNrBTI003852; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:53:12 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l6VNr8XJ003812; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:53:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:53:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Laszlo" To: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:52:59 -0700 Organization: GIS Message-ID: <007b01c7d3cd$ed2ec450$4102a8c0@d400sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01C7D393.40CFEC50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfTzDPsUCMItoj6Q5ulZ/vbz0+0zA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25752 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Interesting Anti-grav vid Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 417 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C7D393.40CFEC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stan Deyo has released a new video with some zero-point/alternative energy/antigravity demonstrations and conceptual discussion some of you might find of interest. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8222679614108378695 Not sure how much of the "cloak & dagger" stuff is correlated, and I'd love to verify some of the claims with first-hand observation or other empirical evidence. Comments? Regards, Laszlo ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C7D393.40CFEC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stan Deyo has released a new video with some = zero-point/alternative energy/antigravity demonstrations and conceptual discussion some of you = might find of interest.

 

h= ttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-8222679614108378695

 

 

Not sure how much of the “cloak & = dagger” stuff is correlated, and I’d love to verify some of the claims = with first-hand observation or other empirical = evidence.

 

Comments?

 

Regards,

Laszlo

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C7D393.40CFEC50-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 1 00:48:57 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l717mcD7005915; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:48:38 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l717mbJo005909; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:48:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:48:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: Laszlo cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Interesting Anti-grav vid In-Reply-To: <007b01c7d3cd$ed2ec450$4102a8c0@d400sc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25753 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 418 I've talked to Stan Deyo I think around a decade ago, shortly after he arrived in Australia. Way back then he had the same interest in vortices as he does in this film, he described to me a coil assembly he built that was something like a large TV degausing coil, with a layer of high voltage tape around it, and then wound around it another coil of wire. An AC current was placed on both coils, and a high voltage between them on the order of several tens of kilovolts (this required an isolation transformer with good insulation). I don't understand the operation of this thing but he told me when he operated it, he would see wave like distortions in the air and people in the room felt sick. He said he stopped experiementing with it because he was concerned about the potential health impacts. Even way back when he told me he had seen all sorts of things working for the government that I wouldn't believe, but he wouldn't provide details either. I haven't spoken to him since that time but now I'm really wondering what to make of this video. On the one hand, his interest in vorticies hasn't changed, nor has his story. He has been entirely consistent over the years. On the other, if this is all true then we are we still using shaped charges to blow space craft into orbit? So with respect to Stan I don't know what to think. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Laszlo wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:52:59 -0700 > From: Laszlo > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: Interesting Anti-grav vid > Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:53:07 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Stan Deyo has released a new video with some zero-point/alternative > energy/antigravity demonstrations and conceptual discussion some of you > might find of interest. > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8222679614108378695 > > > > > > Not sure how much of the "cloak & dagger" stuff is correlated, and I'd love > to verify some of the claims with first-hand observation or other empirical > evidence. > > > > Comments? > > > > Regards, > > Laszlo > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 2 09:38:47 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72GcH7x011995; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:38:18 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l72GcGbX011978; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:38:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:38:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <52DBB3BCABE4D411949E00508BE7906A03586C11@server3.orionwilton.com> From: Jim Dickenson To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: [FG]: Interesting Anti-grav vid Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:37:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25754 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 419 Hi Nanook - I've got info on this type of design somewhere - the info I have has an inner toroidal coil encased in parafin for dielectric isolation and an outer coil wound around the torus at 90 deg from the inner coil. As I recall, both coils were to be energized with a high DC current and a high DC voltage was to be placed between the 2 coils. The insulation could also be done using plastic or fiberglass spacers between the coils with fiberglass tape and immerse the whole thing in transformer oil - that method could be made to work up to 100KV or so. Isolating the power supplies is a different matter - that's why it's easier with AC on both coils than DC. If anyone's interested I'll try and find and zip the files. - Jim D. -----Original Message----- From: Nanook [mailto:nanook@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:49 AM To: Laszlo Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Interesting Anti-grav vid I've talked to Stan Deyo I think around a decade ago, shortly after he arrived in Australia. Way back then he had the same interest in vortices as he does in this film, he described to me a coil assembly he built that was something like a large TV degausing coil, with a layer of high voltage tape around it, and then wound around it another coil of wire. An AC current was placed on both coils, and a high voltage between them on the order of several tens of kilovolts (this required an isolation transformer with good insulation). I don't understand the operation of this thing but he told me when he operated it, he would see wave like distortions in the air and people in the room felt sick. He said he stopped experiementing with it because he was concerned about the potential health impacts. Even way back when he told me he had seen all sorts of things working for the government that I wouldn't believe, but he wouldn't provide details either. I haven't spoken to him since that time but now I'm really wondering what to make of this video. On the one hand, his interest in vorticies hasn't changed, nor has his story. He has been entirely consistent over the years. On the other, if this is all true then we are we still using shaped charges to blow space craft into orbit? So with respect to Stan I don't know what to think. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ -_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Laszlo wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:52:59 -0700 > From: Laszlo > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: Interesting Anti-grav vid > Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:53:07 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Stan Deyo has released a new video with some zero-point/alternative > energy/antigravity demonstrations and conceptual discussion some of you > might find of interest. > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8222679614108378695 > > > > > > Not sure how much of the "cloak & dagger" stuff is correlated, and I'd love > to verify some of the claims with first-hand observation or other empirical > evidence. > > > > Comments? > > > > Regards, > > Laszlo > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 3 04:21:11 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l73BKs8i029274; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:20:54 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l73BKrDs029267; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:20:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:20:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: [FG]: Interesting Anti-grav vid In-Reply-To: <52DBB3BCABE4D411949E00508BE7906A03586C11@server3.orionwilton.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25755 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 420 The coils that Stan described to me were energized with an AC current, but there was a high DC potential between them. In the "old days" when electronics had tubes, you used to be able to buy filament transformers with a high degree of insulation for various applications in high powered transmitters and such. Some of that stuff has to be floating around surplus somewhere. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Jim Dickenson wrote: > > Hi Nanook - > > I've got info on this type of design somewhere - the info I have has an > inner toroidal coil encased in parafin for dielectric isolation and an outer > coil wound around the torus at 90 deg from the inner coil. As I recall, > both coils were to be energized with a high DC current and a high DC voltage > was to be placed between the 2 coils. > > The insulation could also be done using plastic or fiberglass spacers > between the coils with fiberglass tape and immerse the whole thing in > transformer oil - that method could be made to work up to 100KV or so. > Isolating the power supplies is a different matter - that's why it's easier > with AC on both coils than DC. > > If anyone's interested I'll try and find and zip the files. > > - Jim D. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 31 15:00:29 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VM066o017607; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:00:12 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l7VLvsem016268; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:57:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:57:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Gu1k0STihZeuCQ8FpKVp/QSbf73kEKATxTjdegqSa2Lu044hZ2PL5n4ajmN1V4gM/X3HxwKzRunTXzkMvwPwb644itKb/RJACzUtrAhsrnQU51oZX9PfXw5I2tqg8TYrSG8tJX+PNOdoxvrl6+QGPz5CzRAVYiFEZ8wcm95EG5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=iCaPviWFkOX2GzRIVLCrcTaHFvy4sXEOUDY8AIUWi0dck8+eiAc5+7CcfZYEjnzfSxCGlYRgtE8pK5qnfopwRgXzkgfsZ6HxwLXetW2nZFRhF1KwyB2Vzr/KIf4MiB6J1cpHXUn6nDw0vADdxn4rsiSxg8cZhdp3ZtrhpDUBuKs= Message-ID: <538fa8f10708311457p2003c900y5c4c78301d3bcc44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 00:57:48 +0300 From: "Esa Ruoho" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2680_24850671.1188597468974" Resent-Message-ID: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25736 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: PESN+PDF+Video: Ravi's Water Fuel Cell Suppressed in India Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 421 ------=_Part_2680_24850671.1188597468974 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline all 11 ravi videos archived (well, one isnt by him, but was posted by him) at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/raviyoutube31aug.zip he has not added anything else after being threatened also someone dredged up further, older, information about the Dave Lawton replication (which ravi raju replicated and which got him into trouble) so here they are: http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_Cell.pdf http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_WFC_Setup.pdf http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Stanley_Meyer_Theories_and_Circuits.pdf http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Secrets_of_the_Water_Cell_Explained.pdf http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Bedini_SG_-_THE_Key_to_Meyers_circuit.pdf also i have it on good authority that the D14.pdf which http://panaceauniversity.org/ is putting around (which is a good compilation of data on the dave lawton replication), is going to be updated within the next few weeks, with further information about, well, cold current. if anyone has the time to check out them, do let us know your analysis. and here is the PESN article on ravi suppression http://pesn.com/2007/08/31/9500496_Ravi_waterfuelcell_suppression/ On 31/08/2007, Esa Ruoho wrote: > > ravi raju has been threatened,.. but heres some more stuff from another > person - connecting Meyer/Lawton to Nikola Tesla. > ------=_Part_2680_24850671.1188597468974 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline all 11 ravi videos archived (well, one isnt by him, but was posted by him) at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/raviyoutube31aug.zip
he has not added anything else after being threatened

also someone dredged up further, older, information about the Dave Lawton replication (which ravi raju replicated and which got him into trouble)
so here they are:
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_Cell.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_WFC_Setup.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Stanley_Meyer_Theories_and_Circuits.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Secrets_of_the_Water_Cell_Explained.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Bedini_SG_-_THE_Key_to_Meyers_circuit.pdf

also i have it on good authority that the D14.pdf  which http://panaceauniversity.org/  is putting around (which is a good compilation of data on the dave lawton replication), is going to be updated within the next few weeks, with further information about, well, cold current.

if anyone has the time to check out them, do let us know your analysis.

and here is the PESN article on ravi suppression http://pesn.com/2007/08/31/9500496_Ravi_waterfuelcell_suppression/

On 31/08/2007, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com > wrote:
ravi raju has been threatened,.. but heres some more stuff from another person - connecting  Meyer/Lawton to Nikola Tesla.

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--============_-1022648878==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 11 16:37:50 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BNbK4L020234; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:21 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8BNbJoJ020212; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.81.156.54] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2007 23:37:17.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0AD6D90:01C7F4CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25738 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 423 


It seems that by a fluke, an experiment using
saltwater and radio frequencies to treat cancer has
ended up as one of the greatest discoveries in 100
years. While under the influence of radio frequencies,
saltwater burns, and at a temperature exceeding 3000
degrees. The most abundant resource we have on the
planet just may be the answer to all of our energy
needs. Good ole, most of the planet is covered in it,
saltwater!

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570

Can you find the hidden words?  Take a break and play Seekadoo! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 11 16:42:48 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BNgegR008357; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:42:40 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8BNgdFK008351; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:42:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:42:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25739 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 424 Salt water doesn't burn, it conducts electricity; mircrowaves, or other radio waves that are absorbed, disassociated hydrogen and oxygen giving you a mixture of the two; essentially Browns gas; it burns hot; but you don't get any more energy out of it than you put in RF energy to disassociate the water in the first place. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:17 -0700 > From: M J Mitch Mitchell > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! > Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:18 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > It seems that by a fluke, an experiment using > saltwater and radio frequencies to treat cancer has > ended up as one of the greatest discoveries in 100 > years. While under the influence of radio frequencies, > saltwater burns, and at a temperature exceeding 3000 > degrees. The most abundant resource we have on the > planet just may be the answer to all of our energy > needs. Good ole, most of the planet is covered in it, > saltwater! > > http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 11 20:40:16 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C3dnpu027167; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:39:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8C3dmOj027156; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:39:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:39:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20070911233947.QEWIO.504103.root@fepweb15> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:39:47 -0400 From: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25740 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 425 Someone should question and determine if this a case of the reporter jumping to conclusions or the researcher. Pen State stands to loose some reputation if this is mishandled. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 12 06:25:58 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CDPSPT030405; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:25:29 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8CDPQkZ030360; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:25:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:25:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <001201c7f540$6b66a6b0$0100a8c0@Don1> From: "Don Bangert" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:23:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25741 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 426 Has anyone seen anything more on this story besides these news articles? Is there a URL that goes into further detail? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nanook" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! > > Salt water doesn't burn, it conducts electricity; mircrowaves, or > other > radio waves that are absorbed, disassociated hydrogen and oxygen giving > you a > mixture of the two; essentially Browns gas; it burns hot; but you don't > get any > more energy out of it than you put in RF energy to disassociate the water > in > the first place. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:17 -0700 >> From: M J Mitch Mitchell >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com >> Subject: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! >> Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:18 -0700 >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> >> >> It seems that by a fluke, an experiment using >> saltwater and radio frequencies to treat cancer has >> ended up as one of the greatest discoveries in 100 >> years. While under the influence of radio frequencies, >> saltwater burns, and at a temperature exceeding 3000 >> degrees. The most abundant resource we have on the >> planet just may be the answer to all of our energy >> needs. Good ole, most of the planet is covered in it, >> saltwater! >> >> http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570 >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 > 5:43 PM > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 12 09:38:04 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CGbef7003902; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:37:41 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8CGbcEu003864; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:37:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:37:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.81.156.54] X-Originating-Email: [badaddidude@msn.com] X-Sender: badaddidude@msn.com In-Reply-To: <001201c7f540$6b66a6b0$0100a8c0@Don1> From: "M J Mitch Mitchell" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:37:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2007 16:37:37.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A3BB8D0:01C7F55B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25742 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 427



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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nanook" <nanook@eskimo.com>
To: <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years!


>
>     Salt water doesn't burn, it conducts electricity; mircrowaves,
>or other
>radio waves that are absorbed, disassociated hydrogen and oxygen
>giving you a
>mixture of the two; essentially Browns gas; it burns hot; but you
>don't get any
>more energy out of it than you put in RF energy to disassociate the
>water in
>the first place.
>

As the article I posted dealt with the scientific community, I figured that those involved would have at least some knowledge of the energy required to disassociate hydrogen from oxygen in saltwater. Why else would they claim it to be the discovery of the century, and want to press the issue with the D.O.E.?

 

Call me an optimist, but I’d rather be open minded than a naysayer.


A place for moms to take a break! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 12 11:56:28 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CIuHPB003084; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:56:17 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8CIuGSJ003080; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:56:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:56:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! In-Reply-To: <001201c7f540$6b66a6b0$0100a8c0@Don1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25743 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 428 Yes, I've seen the original press release; they admit in the original press release that no more energy is obtained from burning than is put into it, less in fact (which is expected, electrolysis isn't 100% efficient.) -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Don Bangert wrote: > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:23:30 -0700 > From: Don Bangert > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! > Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:25:26 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Has anyone seen anything more on this story besides these news articles? Is > there a URL that goes into further detail? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nanook" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! > > > > > > Salt water doesn't burn, it conducts electricity; mircrowaves, or > > other > > radio waves that are absorbed, disassociated hydrogen and oxygen giving > > you a > > mixture of the two; essentially Browns gas; it burns hot; but you don't > > get any > > more energy out of it than you put in RF energy to disassociate the water > > in > > the first place. > > > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > > >> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:17 -0700 > >> From: M J Mitch Mitchell > >> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com > >> Subject: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! > >> Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:18 -0700 > >> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> > >> > >> It seems that by a fluke, an experiment using > >> saltwater and radio frequencies to treat cancer has > >> ended up as one of the greatest discoveries in 100 > >> years. While under the influence of radio frequencies, > >> saltwater burns, and at a temperature exceeding 3000 > >> degrees. The most abundant resource we have on the > >> planet just may be the answer to all of our energy > >> needs. Good ole, most of the planet is covered in it, > >> saltwater! > >> > >> http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570 > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 > > 5:43 PM > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 12 11:59:26 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CIxJvI004487; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:59:19 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8CIxIhc004469; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:59:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:59:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25744 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 429 The original Penn state press release did; and why they even bothered with the release is a big guess; my suspicion is they wanted the hype and if accused of being dishonest they can always state that the original press release does say that it is hydrogen being produced and less energy is obtained by burning it than RF energy went in. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:37:33 -0700 > From: M J Mitch Mitchell > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! > Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:37:38 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > > ? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nanook" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! > > > > > > Salt water doesn't burn, it conducts electricity; > mircrowaves, > >or other > >radio waves that are absorbed, disassociated hydrogen and > oxygen > >giving you a > >mixture of the two; essentially Browns gas; it burns hot; > but you > >don't get any > >more energy out of it than you put in RF energy to > disassociate the > >water in > >the first place. > > > > As the article I posted dealt with the scientific community, > I figured that those involved would have at least some > knowledge of the energy required to disassociate hydrogen > from oxygen in saltwater. Why else would they claim it to be > the discovery of the century, and want to press the issue > with the D.O.E.? > > > > Call me an optimist, but I’d rather be open minded than a > naysayer. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > A place for moms to take a break! > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 12 15:43:33 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CMgwFH025735; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:42:59 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8CMguBJ025707; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:42:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:42:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=Nrm1AWckn+s2hnO0rm9B9TLOXjA/Fl134pHIuZxyAvs=; b=MBifP2c12WOlCXAhlIdBQc979XM9EdA7wJJg5dP1iFvWWy8e+aAD4FEb595a3FWNN5HJCAX88b65rQA0VayLBpYy/iRO6B0gtMIZl+6egr+5EEBWtmjCR1cnODiX0FKy9p6N5FJInd2Ub8W66/CAP3OjyEOojGURiUk5VFyhTBI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=EpHYDbyRa6wXPJYTq0L5PG6Lx0RQd1sYpgC/x67qVyWUkYaZmGL+O99bkfAS8chNub560QmIYM/V4MBP6ZRIcV1ArFjVkyvD6xGJPCiUojwQGlQspROlmjSECaIqafiid03XIbjdPGgmkyjAOQ7Sa6qrGhtCARBSu+/e3ayHNj4= From: Bob Paddock Organization: The Designer-III Company http://www.designer-iii.com/ To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: greatest discovery in 100 years! Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:43:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <001201c7f540$6b66a6b0$0100a8c0@Don1> In-Reply-To: <001201c7f540$6b66a6b0$0100a8c0@Don1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200709121843.54068.bob.paddock@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_DKJ7B.A.lRG.vtG6GB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25745 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 430 On Wednesday 12 September 2007 09:23:30 am Don Bangert wrote: > Has anyone seen anything more on this story besides these news articles? Is > there a URL that goes into further detail? Go to http://www.wsee.tv and put this "Kanzius" in the search box. I'm not far from Eire where this is happening. -- http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Sep 16 02:22:04 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G9LRbE023156; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:21:28 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8G9LN8A023108; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:21:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:21:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Received-SPF: none (mx2.kol.co.nz: domain of Arrowntree@kol.co.nz does not designate permitted sender hosts) Message-ID: <003e01c7f842$cf0a7ed0$277596ca@1695C3D4B4> From: "Alistair Robin" To: Cc: , , , "Chris Stilwell" Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:19:44 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.kol.co.nz on Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:20:32 +1200 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 16 21:20:33 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7709 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 338 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3QDjlB.A.uoF.SWP7GB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25746 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: how wre progresing, bowl bowl Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 431 slow progress give us a few weeks http://www.alrart.net/Templates/phi%20cell.html peace and love Alistair Robin www.alrart.net/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 25 16:16:39 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PNA5hT021230; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:15:55 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8PN2i91016560; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:02:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:02:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <46F99378.40109@fdscience.org> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:02:16 -0400 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25747 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Bob Shannon? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 432 Hi all, Anyone have any information on how to get in touch with Robert Shannon? His old email address of bshannon@tiac.net doesn't appear to work anymore. Anyone hear anything from him in recent times? Working on some of this 'scalar' stuff, trying to figure out if there is actually anything to it or not. Anyone else here tried this stuff before? --Kyle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 25 20:35:13 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q3YjnL021457; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:34:45 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8Q3YRn8021299; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:34:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:34:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:33:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Re: [FG]: Bob Shannon? In-Reply-To: <46F99378.40109@fdscience.org> Message-ID: References: <46F99378.40109@fdscience.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25748 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 433 It's been at least 10 years since I heard from Bob. I suspect he's dropped off the Internet. Hopefully he's still alive ... I had some pretty good e-mail exchanges with him way back when. He sent me a piece of the same ferrite material he used in his Barkhausen detector and I built one. Noticed some anomalous signals with it. I've been thinking of digging it out and playing with it again. Zack On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone have any information on how to get in touch with Robert Shannon? > His old email address of bshannon@tiac.net doesn't appear to work anymore. > > Anyone hear anything from him in recent times? > > Working on some of this 'scalar' stuff, trying to figure out if there is > actually anything to it or not. Anyone else here tried this stuff before? > > --Kyle > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 26 21:38:20 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R4c39V002223; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:38:03 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8R4biVl001907; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:37:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:37:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20070927003734.U0VW4.55033.root@fepweb02> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:37:34 -0700 From: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Bob Shannon? Cc: "Kyle R. Mcallister" In-Reply-To: <46F99378.40109@fdscience.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25749 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 434 Gee..... Bob Shannon ?? Let me un-zip that part of my memory.... ******************+ done. Wasn't that some sort of ghost detector? Um with a part on it called a widgetizer.... or a "Gimic" Ill bet you have questions about the "gimic" It was like some wires twistied together. ---- "Kyle R. Mcallister" wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone have any information on how to get in touch with Robert Shannon? > His old email address of bshannon@tiac.net doesn't appear to work anymore. > > Anyone hear anything from him in recent times? > > Working on some of this 'scalar' stuff, trying to figure out if there is > actually anything to it or not. Anyone else here tried this stuff before? > > --Kyle > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Sep 27 15:10:22 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RMA2Yt027952; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:10:10 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8RM1xnr021188; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:01:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:01:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <46FC2846.80706@fdscience.org> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:01:42 -0400 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Bob Shannon? References: <20070927003734.U0VW4.55033.root@fepweb02> In-Reply-To: <20070927003734.U0VW4.55033.root@fepweb02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25750 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 435 charlieford1@charter.net wrote: > Gee..... Bob Shannon ?? > > Let me un-zip that part of my memory.... > ******************+ > done. > > Wasn't that some sort of ghost detector? Um with a part on it called a widgetizer.... > or a "Gimic" > > Ill bet you have questions about the "gimic" It was like some wires twistied together. The thing you are referring to is the "Scalar Electrostatic Gradiometer". That's not what I'm looking for him about. I know what the "gimmick" is, twisted wires to give a low pF capacitor. There was some speculation that leakage current across the insulation of the gimmick's wires had some effect on the device's operation. But I never did much with the gradiometer. I am more interested in actual "scalar waves", assuming such a beast exists. --Kyle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 28 22:27:30 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T5RDOm018981; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:27:14 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l8T5RBZX018960; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:27:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:27:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20070929012709.HVCZ4.67906.root@fepweb04> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:27:09 -0700 From: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Bob Shannon? Cc: "Kyle R. Mcallister" In-Reply-To: <46FC2846.80706@fdscience.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25751 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 436 Kyle. I remember we(group) engaged in a great deal of descussion on the subject. At this point I am thurally convinced that scaller exists (in various levels of cancelation). I am also quite convinced that they are not as special, un-usual, or useful, and thier proponants suggest. > --- "Kyle R. Mcallister" wrote: > charlieford1@charter.net wrote: > > Gee..... Bob Shannon ?? > > > > Let me un-zip that part of my memory.... > > ******************+ > > done. > > > > Wasn't that some sort of ghost detector? Um with a part on it called a widgetizer.... > > or a "Gimic" > > > > Ill bet you have questions about the "gimic" It was like some wires twistied together. > > The thing you are referring to is the "Scalar Electrostatic > Gradiometer". That's not what I'm looking for him about. I know what the > "gimmick" is, twisted wires to give a low pF capacitor. There was some > speculation that leakage current across the insulation of the gimmick's > wires had some effect on the device's operation. But I never did much > with the gradiometer. > > I am more interested in actual "scalar waves", assuming such a beast exists. > > --Kyle > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 2 20:23:21 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l933N1Bu028299; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:23:02 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l933Mxnj028271; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:22:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:22:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <009401c8056e$783f1280$fa906144@ok.cox.net> From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: References: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> <002d01c6b84c$d16acae0$82976144@ok.cox.net> <44D48684.417C49F5@centurytel.net> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:35:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <0JRjd.A.l5G.TswAHB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25753 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits I still don't have mine.Randy Elston Hargraves Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 437 Hi everyone. I haven't got my Prometheus Effect and SMot Kit yet, but to be fair he told me that it was to late and that he doesn't make them any more. So, If I would just send him my banking information he would send me the money. Now, tell me would any of you send out you personal banking information. I guess I am overly paranoid, but, I sent Greg the money and I don't know any thing about his banking information. to be frank I think that I should have the Prometheus Effect and SMOT Kit and all my money back and with interest. Hey, I don't recall the date that I sent the money, but it is probably getting close to 10 years ago. By the way, If this email happens to make it to Greg Watson. My Address Has changed. it is now Randy Elston Hargraves 601 John F. Kroutil Drive Yukon, Oklahoma 73099 It has not showed up to my old address. I know because my Daughter lives there. Randy Elston Hargraves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taylor J. Smith" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits > Hi All, > > How odd. > > I just finished reading "Towards ..." by William > Tiller, p. 9, Infinite Energy, Vol 10, Issue 58, 2004, > about mentally conditioning a laboratory to produce > anomolous results, and then this morning I read the > enclosed below: > > Jack Smith > > ------------- > > Forward from aki@ix.netcom.com (Akira Kawasaki) > > WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 4 Aug 06 Washington, DC > > 3. BLEEP: WILLIAM TILLER AND "RAMTHA'S SCHOOL OF ENLIGHTENMENT." > August is a slow month, and I promised last week to say a little > about Ramtha and William Tiller ... > > Randy E Hargraves wrote: > > Hi Friends > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid > for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received > it ... > > Greg Watson wrote: > > Hi Randy, > > You need to checkout the site I have created which has > ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart > of the SMOT device, is OU: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time > measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment > to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start > shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who > didn't get or want their money back, just send me your > delivery details. > > All the best, Greg Watson > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 2 22:00:16 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l934xqHT029423; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:59:53 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l934vBxZ025018; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:57:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:57:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Received-SPF: none (mx2.kol.co.nz: domain of Arrowntree@kol.co.nz does not designate permitted sender hosts) Message-ID: <042101c80579$25f58c10$957d96ca@1695C3D4B4> From: "Alistair Robin" To: References: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> <002d01c6b84c$d16acae0$82976144@ok.cox.net> <44D48684.417C49F5@centurytel.net> <009401c8056e$783f1280$fa906144@ok.cox.net> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:51:29 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.kol.co.nz on Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:52:09 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 3 17:52:09 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7829 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 362 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25754 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits I still don't have mine.Randy Elston Hargraves Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 438 Greg Watsit runs yahoo group ''Sunball'' ripping people off, never returned my money Ether, kick his arse for me. ask for interest. Alistair Robin www.alrart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy E Hargraves" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits I still don't have mine.Randy Elston Hargraves > Hi everyone. > > I haven't got my Prometheus Effect and SMot Kit yet, but to be fair he > told > me that it was to late and that he doesn't make them any more. > So, If I would just send him my banking information he would send me the > money. > Now, tell me would any of you send out you personal banking information. > I guess I am overly paranoid, but, I sent Greg the money and I don't know > any thing about his banking information. > to be frank I think that I should have the Prometheus Effect and SMOT Kit > and all my money back and with interest. > Hey, I don't recall the date that I sent the money, but it is probably > getting close to 10 years ago. > By the way, If this email happens to make it to Greg Watson. > My Address Has changed. it is now > Randy Elston Hargraves > 601 John F. Kroutil Drive > Yukon, Oklahoma 73099 > It has not showed up to my old address. I know because my Daughter lives > there. > > Randy Elston Hargraves. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Taylor J. Smith" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:52 AM > Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits > > >> Hi All, >> >> How odd. >> >> I just finished reading "Towards ..." by William >> Tiller, p. 9, Infinite Energy, Vol 10, Issue 58, 2004, >> about mentally conditioning a laboratory to produce >> anomolous results, and then this morning I read the >> enclosed below: >> >> Jack Smith >> >> ------------- >> >> Forward from aki@ix.netcom.com (Akira Kawasaki) >> >> WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 4 Aug 06 Washington, DC >> >> 3. BLEEP: WILLIAM TILLER AND "RAMTHA'S SCHOOL OF ENLIGHTENMENT." >> August is a slow month, and I promised last week to say a little >> about Ramtha and William Tiller ... >> >> Randy E Hargraves wrote: >> >> Hi Friends >> I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid >> for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received >> it ... >> >> Greg Watson wrote: >> >> Hi Randy, >> >> You need to checkout the site I have created which has >> ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart >> of the SMOT device, is OU: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ >> >> You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time >> measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment >> to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start >> shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who >> didn't get or want their money back, just send me your >> delivery details. >> >> All the best, Greg Watson >> >> >> > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 2 22:51:14 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l935p09P030093; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:51:00 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l935oxn9030085; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:50:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:50:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Laszlo" To: References: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> <002d01c6b84c$d16acae0$82976144@ok.cox.net> <44D48684.417C49F5@centurytel.net> <009401c8056e$783f1280$fa906144@ok.cox.net> Subject: RE: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits I still don't have mine.Randy Elston Hargraves Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:08:18 -0700 Organization: GIS Message-ID: <003901c80573$07e4c430$4102a8c0@d400sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgFbOBu4Rq5gaO8Si6uHUMwjHXd7wABfK6w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <009401c8056e$783f1280$fa906144@ok.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25755 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 439 Why can't he just send you the money without you sending him your banking information? I smell a fish. Take care... Laszlo -----Original Message----- From: Randy E Hargraves [mailto:randyehargraves@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:36 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits I still don't have mine.Randy Elston Hargraves Hi everyone. I haven't got my Prometheus Effect and SMot Kit yet, but to be fair he told me that it was to late and that he doesn't make them any more. So, If I would just send him my banking information he would send me the money. Now, tell me would any of you send out you personal banking information. I guess I am overly paranoid, but, I sent Greg the money and I don't know any thing about his banking information. to be frank I think that I should have the Prometheus Effect and SMOT Kit and all my money back and with interest. Hey, I don't recall the date that I sent the money, but it is probably getting close to 10 years ago. By the way, If this email happens to make it to Greg Watson. My Address Has changed. it is now Randy Elston Hargraves 601 John F. Kroutil Drive Yukon, Oklahoma 73099 It has not showed up to my old address. I know because my Daughter lives there. Randy Elston Hargraves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taylor J. Smith" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits > Hi All, > > How odd. > > I just finished reading "Towards ..." by William > Tiller, p. 9, Infinite Energy, Vol 10, Issue 58, 2004, > about mentally conditioning a laboratory to produce > anomolous results, and then this morning I read the > enclosed below: > > Jack Smith > > ------------- > > Forward from aki@ix.netcom.com (Akira Kawasaki) > > WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 4 Aug 06 Washington, DC > > 3. BLEEP: WILLIAM TILLER AND "RAMTHA'S SCHOOL OF ENLIGHTENMENT." > August is a slow month, and I promised last week to say a little > about Ramtha and William Tiller ... > > Randy E Hargraves wrote: > > Hi Friends > I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid > for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received > it ... > > Greg Watson wrote: > > Hi Randy, > > You need to checkout the site I have created which has > ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart > of the SMOT device, is OU: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ > > You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time > measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment > to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start > shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who > didn't get or want their money back, just send me your > delivery details. > > All the best, Greg Watson > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 3 06:29:20 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93DSosq019619; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:28:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l93DSmtT019576; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:28:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:28:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:28:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits I still don't have mine.Randy Elston Hargraves In-Reply-To: <042101c80579$25f58c10$957d96ca@1695C3D4B4> Message-ID: References: <20050422043231.29193.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> <002d01c6b84c$d16acae0$82976144@ok.cox.net> <44D48684.417C49F5@centurytel.net> <009401c8056e$783f1280$fa906144@ok.cox.net> <042101c80579$25f58c10$957d96ca@1695C3D4B4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25756 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 440 I can tell right away he's got problems. I took a peek at the Yahoogroup and saw you can't even access archived postings to the group. This is the only Yahoogroup I've ever seen which does that. There may be others but they're few and far between. Zack On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Alistair Robin wrote: > Greg Watsit runs yahoo group ''Sunball'' ripping people off, never returned > my money Ether, kick his arse for me. > ask for interest. > Alistair Robin > www.alrart.net/ > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy E Hargraves" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:35 PM > Subject: [FG]: Re: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits I still don't have > mine.Randy Elston Hargraves > > >> Hi everyone. >> >> I haven't got my Prometheus Effect and SMot Kit yet, but to be fair he told >> me that it was to late and that he doesn't make them any more. >> So, If I would just send him my banking information he would send me the >> money. >> Now, tell me would any of you send out you personal banking information. >> I guess I am overly paranoid, but, I sent Greg the money and I don't know >> any thing about his banking information. >> to be frank I think that I should have the Prometheus Effect and SMOT Kit >> and all my money back and with interest. >> Hey, I don't recall the date that I sent the money, but it is probably >> getting close to 10 years ago. >> By the way, If this email happens to make it to Greg Watson. >> My Address Has changed. it is now >> Randy Elston Hargraves >> 601 John F. Kroutil Drive >> Yukon, Oklahoma 73099 >> It has not showed up to my old address. I know because my Daughter lives >> there. >> >> Randy Elston Hargraves. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taylor J. Smith" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:52 AM >> Subject: [FG]: Prometheus Effect and SMOT kits >> >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> How odd. >>> >>> I just finished reading "Towards ..." by William >>> Tiller, p. 9, Infinite Energy, Vol 10, Issue 58, 2004, >>> about mentally conditioning a laboratory to produce >>> anomolous results, and then this morning I read the >>> enclosed below: >>> >>> Jack Smith >>> >>> ------------- >>> >>> Forward from aki@ix.netcom.com (Akira Kawasaki) >>> >>> WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 4 Aug 06 Washington, DC >>> >>> 3. BLEEP: WILLIAM TILLER AND "RAMTHA'S SCHOOL OF ENLIGHTENMENT." >>> August is a slow month, and I promised last week to say a little >>> about Ramtha and William Tiller ... >>> >>> Randy E Hargraves wrote: >>> >>> Hi Friends >>> I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid >>> for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received >>> it ... >>> >>> Greg Watson wrote: >>> >>> Hi Randy, >>> >>> You need to checkout the site I have created which has >>> ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart >>> of the SMOT device, is OU: >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ >>> >>> You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time >>> measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment >>> to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start >>> shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who >>> didn't get or want their money back, just send me your >>> delivery details. >>> >>> All the best, Greg Watson >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 9 23:32:13 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A6VpEx029537; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:31:51 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9A6Vmj4029487; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:31:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:31:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Received-SPF: none (mx2.kol.co.nz: domain of Arrowntree@kol.co.nz does not designate permitted sender hosts) Message-ID: <0de401c80b07$35ba2f50$957d96ca@1695C3D4B4> From: "Alistair Robin" To: Cc: , "Chris Stilwell" , , , "Jain \( Mathemagics \)" , , , , , , , References: <003301c80af9$03bd4810$6401a8c0@oemqgwf7j091j2> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:30:57 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0DDD_01C80B74.14F63210" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.kol.co.nz on Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:31:46 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 10 19:31:47 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6812 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 215 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0wWhDD.A.eMH.THHDHB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25758 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: round square phi = voltage Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 441 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0DDD_01C80B74.14F63210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable geting voltage http://www.alrart.net/Templates/phi%20cell.html cell dry, might be better in holder, tomorrow. peace and love Alistair Robin www.alrart.net/ ------=_NextPart_000_0DDD_01C80B74.14F63210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Alistair Robin
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------=_NextPart_000_0DDD_01C80B74.14F63210-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 13 03:51:14 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9DAoxbd031795; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:51:00 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9DAolel031630; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:50:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:50:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:50:48 +1300 From: Darryl Ward To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <009801c80d86$ea4665c0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C80DF3.E11AE7B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25759 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 442 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C80DF3.E11AE7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not quite free energy, but may be of interest. From: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4235846a13.html Fuel from water becoming reality says Kiwi firm=20 By PAUL EASTON - The Dominion Post | Saturday, 13 October 2007 Imagine watering the garden, then turning the hose into your petrol tank = and filling up the car.=20 It has been a holy grail for an age, a water-based fuel. Well, that = technology may already be here, claims small Kiwi company Bios Fuel.=20 But scientists remain sceptical and say an engine running on water = defies the laws of physics.=20 Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was = tinkering with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage.=20 He started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in a = combustion engine was not just science fiction.=20 In 2002 he left a finance career to focus on researching the concept.=20 Two years ago Mr Ryan went public, running a 350cc motorbike on water = for the 60 Minutes television show.=20 Now Bios Fuel is preparing to drive 3000 kilometres from Darwin to = Adelaide on a blend of waste oil and water, as part of the Panasonic = World Solar Challenge.=20 Mr Ryan says the water-based fuel allows hydrogen to be housed safely in = water and released.=20 It is blended with waste oil for lubrication and a bonding agent, but = the power comes from the water.=20 Waikato University senior engineering lecturer Mike Duke is deeply = sceptical of the claims.=20 He says the problem is that the amount of energy needed to extract = energy from water is greater than the energy produced.=20 There was "a lot of pseudo science out there," Dr Duke said. "They're = claiming something that I don't buy, but if they can prove it to me, = then I'll buy them a beer."=20 But Mr Ryan says the fuel runs via a normal combustion system - it's the = delivery system that is the key and must remain under wraps.=20 The Solar Challenge will demonstrate the potential of alternative fuel = technology to operate in an extreme environment, says company spokesman = Cam Feast.=20 "It gives us the opportunity to show that recycling second- and = third-generation waste is an option when emulsified with water."=20 A battered old 1989 Land Cruiser with 400,000 kilometres on the clock = will be used for the challenge.=20 The implications of water-based fuels are huge, he says.=20 "Water doesn't have to be spring-fed, it can be waste water, from your = shower or sink, rainwater from the gutter, or seawater.=20 Diesel engines can be run on very high percentages of water and small = amounts of waste oil for lubrication. It requires no electricity, no = heat, and emissions consist mainly of water vapour."=20 So why isn't this technology already on the shelf?=20 Mr Ryan says scepticism from the scientific community and the public = remains the main barrier to water-fuel technology.=20 He says there has been more support from the United States, and that is = where Bio Fuels will focus its efforts.=20 "New Zealand will still be the home base, but there's a need to go where = the market is."=20 This message was sent by Darryl Ward www.dward.tk ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C80DF3.E11AE7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not quite free energy, but may be of=20 interest.
 
From: http://www.stuff.co.nz/42= 35846a13.html
 

Fuel from water becoming reality says Kiwi firm

By PAUL EASTON = - The=20 Dominion Post | Saturday, 13 October 2007
 

Imagine watering the garden, then turning the hose into your = petrol=20 tank and filling up the car.

It has been a holy grail for an age, a water-based fuel. Well, that=20 technology may already be here, claims small Kiwi company Bios Fuel.=20

But scientists remain sceptical and say an engine running on water = defies the=20 laws of physics.=20

Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was = tinkering=20 with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage.=20

He started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in = a=20 combustion engine was not just science fiction.=20

In 2002 he left a finance career to focus on researching the concept. =

Two years ago Mr Ryan went public, running a 350cc motorbike on water = for the=20 60 Minutes television show.=20

Now Bios Fuel is preparing to drive 3000 kilometres from Darwin to = Adelaide=20 on a blend of waste oil and water, as part of the Panasonic World Solar=20 Challenge.=20

Mr Ryan says the water-based fuel allows hydrogen to be housed safely = in=20 water and released.=20

It is blended with waste oil for lubrication and a bonding agent, but = the=20 power comes from the water.=20

Waikato University senior engineering lecturer Mike Duke is deeply = sceptical=20 of the claims.=20

He says the problem is that the amount of energy needed to extract = energy=20 from water is greater than the energy produced.=20

There was "a lot of pseudo science out there," Dr Duke said. "They're = claiming something that I don't buy, but if they can prove it to me, = then I'll=20 buy them a beer."=20

But Mr Ryan says the fuel runs via a normal combustion system - it's = the=20 delivery system that is the key and must remain under wraps.=20

The Solar Challenge will demonstrate the potential of alternative = fuel=20 technology to operate in an extreme environment, says company spokesman = Cam=20 Feast.=20

"It gives us the opportunity to show that recycling second- and=20 third-generation waste is an option when emulsified with water."=20

A battered old 1989 Land Cruiser with 400,000 kilometres on the clock = will be=20 used for the challenge.=20

The implications of water-based fuels are huge, he says.=20

"Water doesn't have to be spring-fed, it can be waste water, from = your shower=20 or sink, rainwater from the gutter, or seawater.=20

Diesel engines can be run on very high percentages of water and small = amounts=20 of waste oil for lubrication. It requires no electricity, no heat, and = emissions=20 consist mainly of water vapour."=20

So why isn't this technology already on the shelf?=20

Mr Ryan says scepticism from the scientific community and the public = remains=20 the main barrier to water-fuel technology.=20

He says there has been more support from the United States, and that = is where=20 Bio Fuels will focus its efforts.=20

"New Zealand will still be the home base, but there's a need to go = where the=20 market is."

 
This message was sent by Darryl = Ward
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C80DF3.E11AE7B0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 13 04:25:26 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9DBPCtB025435; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:25:12 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9DBPAws025421; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:25:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:25:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:25:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: In-Reply-To: <009801c80d86$ea4665c0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25760 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 443 No offense but it is BS. These stories come up regularly. Another popular one is electrolyzing water and burning hydrogen. I've even seen companies that sell these electrolyzers you put under the hood and run off the cars electrical system. Problem is they consume far more power to produce the hydrogen than you'll ever get back from burning it. Hydrogen is rather poor in the octane department as well so not the ideal boost if you're just doing it for horsepower. You can't burn the hydrogen in water in the form of water because it's ALREADY BURNT. If you do something break apart the hydrogen and oxygen in water and then burn the hydrogen, you won't get any more energy back than you put in seperating the hydrogen and oxygen. It is possible to power an engine off an 50/50 emulsion of oil and water, but you have the problem of keeping the emulsion mixed. Such a mixture will get almost as much milage from the oil/water mix ina 50/50% mix as from a gallon of diesel alone so you can almost double fuel milage this way, but because of the unwillingness of the two to mix and stay mixed there are serious practical problems. Water injection in a gasoline engine also improves fuel economy considerably. A car I put it on went from 16/22, to 22-25/30 (the variability in city driving being a function of how I drove, if I really really grannied it, I could get 25 around the city, if I drove normally, 22-23). The water injection had a side benefit of dramatically reducing emissions across the board, hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, and NOx emissions all down dramatically, and of coarse since it goes farther on the same amount of fuel, less CO2 per mile, also more horsepower increase than just about anything else you could have done to a normally aspirated engine save for nitrous and making it a non-normally aspirated engine. I have to add though that JUST adding the water injection didn't give this much increase alone, adding the water injection effectively increased the octane of the fuel, that allowed me to advance the timing much further than I otherwise could have without knocking. I don't really understand why the oil/water emulsion thing does as well as it does. It does have the effect of decreasing peak cylinder temperature considerably and NOx emissions. It may be that allows more of the heat energy to be converted into mechanical energy and less of it spent heating the cylinder walls. But oil and water don't like to stay mixed so that's not a real practical fuel. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, Darryl Ward wrote: > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:50:48 +1300 > From: Darryl Ward > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: > Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:50:46 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Not quite free energy, but may be of interest. > > From: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4235846a13.html > > Fuel from water becoming reality says Kiwi firm > By PAUL EASTON - The Dominion Post | Saturday, 13 October 2007 > > Imagine watering the garden, then turning the hose into your petrol tank and filling up the car. > > > It has been a holy grail for an age, a water-based fuel. Well, that technology may already be here, claims small Kiwi company Bios Fuel. > > But scientists remain sceptical and say an engine running on water defies the laws of physics. > > Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was tinkering with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage. > > He started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in a combustion engine was not just science fiction. > > In 2002 he left a finance career to focus on researching the concept. > > Two years ago Mr Ryan went public, running a 350cc motorbike on water for the 60 Minutes television show. > > Now Bios Fuel is preparing to drive 3000 kilometres from Darwin to Adelaide on a blend of waste oil and water, as part of the Panasonic World Solar Challenge. > > Mr Ryan says the water-based fuel allows hydrogen to be housed safely in water and released. > > It is blended with waste oil for lubrication and a bonding agent, but the power comes from the water. > > Waikato University senior engineering lecturer Mike Duke is deeply sceptical of the claims. > > He says the problem is that the amount of energy needed to extract energy from water is greater than the energy produced. > > There was "a lot of pseudo science out there," Dr Duke said. "They're claiming something that I don't buy, but if they can prove it to me, then I'll buy them a beer." > > But Mr Ryan says the fuel runs via a normal combustion system - it's the delivery system that is the key and must remain under wraps. > > The Solar Challenge will demonstrate the potential of alternative fuel technology to operate in an extreme environment, says company spokesman Cam Feast. > > "It gives us the opportunity to show that recycling second- and third-generation waste is an option when emulsified with water." > > A battered old 1989 Land Cruiser with 400,000 kilometres on the clock will be used for the challenge. > > The implications of water-based fuels are huge, he says. > > "Water doesn't have to be spring-fed, it can be waste water, from your shower or sink, rainwater from the gutter, or seawater. > > Diesel engines can be run on very high percentages of water and small amounts of waste oil for lubrication. It requires no electricity, no heat, and emissions consist mainly of water vapour." > > So why isn't this technology already on the shelf? > > Mr Ryan says scepticism from the scientific community and the public remains the main barrier to water-fuel technology. > > He says there has been more support from the United States, and that is where Bio Fuels will focus its efforts. > > "New Zealand will still be the home base, but there's a need to go where the market is." > > > This message was sent by Darryl Ward > > www.dward.tk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 14 10:50:18 2007 Received: from ultra3.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra3.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EHo0FG009297; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:50:13 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra3.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9EHkoHk008874; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:46:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:46:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra3.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8e318fae-da60-44a5-bee5-819d46bf8fcc_" X-Originating-IP: [76.174.237.5] From: M J Mitch Mitchell To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:35:55 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <009801c80d86$ea4665c0$0202a8c0@chernolapkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2007 17:35:55.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACC19CD0:01C80E88] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25761 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 444 --_8e318fae-da60-44a5-bee5-819d46bf8fcc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nanook wrote;> No offense but it is BS. These stories come up regularly. An= other> popular one is electrolyzing water and burning hydrogen. I've even s= een> companies that sell these electrolyzers you put under the hood and run= off the> cars electrical system. Problem is they consume far more power to= produce the> hydrogen than you'll ever get back from burning it.=20 =20 Nanook has been a member of this list for some time, and I can reasonably s= ay has been aware of JLN labs and the demo video of a generator running on water after being started on n= ormal fuels. Self supporting=20 using water only as a fuel. =20 How many great discoveries would never have become reality with a closed mi= nd? Keeping an open mind is something that many have failed to remember, or, by= choice, just will not do. =20 =20 Someone, somewhere, sometime soon, will find a way to extract energy from w= ater just as water is used=20 in the making of gasoline. How many gallons of gasoline come from a barrel = of crude? More than one=20 would expect. Ever hear of a Hydrocracker? At one time this was considered = BS also. =20 New discoveries are made flaunting conventional thought and proving naysaye= rs wrong all the time. =20 How one considers themself a scientist while having a closed mind is beyond= me. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!=A0 Play Star Shuffle:=A0 the word scramble = challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=3Dstarshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc= t= --_8e318fae-da60-44a5-bee5-819d46bf8fcc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nanook wrote;
> No offense but it is BS. These stories come up regula= rly. Another
> popular one is electrolyzing water and burning hydroge= n. I've even seen
> companies that sell these electrolyzers you put u= nder the hood and run off the
> cars electrical system. Problem is th= ey consume far more power to produce the
> hydrogen than you'll ever = get back from burning it.
 
Nanook has been a member of this list for some time, and I can reasonably s= ay has been aware of JLN labs
and the demo video of a generator running on water after being started on n= ormal fuels. Self supporting
using water only as a fuel.
 
How many great discoveries would never have become reality with a closed mi= nd?
Keeping an open mind is something that many have failed to remember, or, by= choice, just will not do. 
 
Someone, somewhere, sometime soon, will find a way to extract energy from w= ater just as water is used
in the making of gasoline. How many gallons of gasoline come from a barrel = of crude? More than one
would expect. Ever hear of a Hydrocracker? At one time this was considered = BS also.
 
New discoveries are made flaunting conventional thought and proving naysaye= rs wrong all the time.
 
How one considers themself a scientist while having a closed mind is beyond= me.
 

Climb to the top of the charts!=A0 Play Star Shuffle:= =A0 the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now! = --_8e318fae-da60-44a5-bee5-819d46bf8fcc_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 14 13:56:12 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EKu6rT021144; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:56:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9EKu3RU021135; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:56:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:56:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25762 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 445 There are many scam artists that come up with bogus "inventions" as a way to get publicity and frequently investor money. They do a great disservice by taking away attention and resources from genuine research and discoveries. What nearly all of the scam artists have in common is that they never give enough detail for it to be reproduced and verified by independent parties. On a good news bad news front, Dr. Robert W. Bussard, inventor of the polywell fusion reactor, or just Bussard Reactor, passed away the night of October 9/10th. That's the bad news. I would really have liked for him to have lived to see his invention come to full fruition. The good news, the US Navy has funded the next test reactor, the WB7, and his friends will be continuing his work and build this reactor. If the WB7 lives up to expectations, and the previous six generations have, the Navy says it will fund a full scale power production reactor. For those not familiar with the Bussard reactor design; it's kind of a cross between magnetic confinement and electrostatic confinement that the Farnsworth reactor used, and it's got all the advantages and none of the disadvantages of both. Magnetic confinement is difficult because duetrons and tritons at 100 million plus degrees have a lot of energy and it takes a hurrendous magnetic field to keep them confined. The electrostatic confinement of the Farnsworth reactor used concentric spherical grids and ion bombardment would destroy them before useful power levels could be reached, although the machines are still useful as a neutron source. The Bussard reactor was a brilliant innovation using a polyhedric magnetic field to confine electrons and create an electrostatic potential well. Electrons, being several thousand times lighter than a proton but containing the same charge, require a much smaller field to confine them. And the electrostatic well created then confines the charged nuclei, but in addition to confining them, because they are accelerated across a known voltage gradiant, they all have essentially same energy when they collide where as with a conventional magnetic fusion reactor there is a wide thermal spectrum of energies. The Bussard design has the potential to operate with aneutronic fuels such as H B11, whereas thermal reactors have little hope of reaching the energy levels for aneutronic fusion. A full scale commercial fusion Bussard reactor is expected to cost 10-20 million dollars, or about three orders of magnitude less than a Tokomak design, and will be physically much smaller making it viable for ship propulsion and potentially even trains and small trucks, as well as a power potential source for interplanetary space travel propulsion. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Sun, 14 Oct 2007, M J Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:35:55 -0700 > From: M J Mitch Mitchell > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: > Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:46:50 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Nanook wrote;> No offense but it is BS. These stories come up regularly. Another> popular one is electrolyzing water and burning hydrogen. I've even seen> companies that sell these electrolyzers you put under the hood and run off the> cars electrical system. Problem is they consume far more power to produce the> hydrogen than you'll ever get back from burning it. > > Nanook has been a member of this list for some time, and I can reasonably say has been aware of JLN labs > and the demo video of a generator running on water after being started on normal fuels. Self supporting > using water only as a fuel. > > How many great discoveries would never have become reality with a closed mind? > Keeping an open mind is something that many have failed to remember, or, by choice, just will not do. > > Someone, somewhere, sometime soon, will find a way to extract energy from water just as water is used > in the making of gasoline. How many gallons of gasoline come from a barrel of crude? More than one > would expect. Ever hear of a Hydrocracker? At one time this was considered BS also. > > New discoveries are made flaunting conventional thought and proving naysayers wrong all the time. > > How one considers themself a scientist while having a closed mind is beyond me. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 14 17:15:15 2007 Received: from ultra3.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra3.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F0F1jA014120; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:15:10 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra3.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9F0EpL0014088; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:14:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:14:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra3.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_214c8d00-c961-47ee-9c8c-594f96b7f4ed_" X-Originating-IP: [71.221.69.188] From: Daniel Dawson To: darrell dawson , Dave and Pam , Debbie D , delilah dawson , Dennis Schendel , desire dawson , di di , Gene Stansbury , , Jim siehien , jj jj , Jon Badker , kathleen , Kevin Kiker , KEVIN RALLS , kipper n , Larry S , mark Supan , Marshall skull , , na Bob , Nancy Lewis , Nate Ebberts , "Rick Hines" , , Robert Cork , Sherry Clark , steve k , Tivo Tivo Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:14:48 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2007 00:14:48.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[660FCB80:01C80EC0] Resent-Message-ID: <96r7WD.A._bD.7DrEHB@ultra3.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25763 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 446 --_214c8d00-c961-47ee-9c8c-594f96b7f4ed_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef =20 =20 I'm sure those of you who aren't in the cattle business don't understand the issues here. But to those of us who who's living depends on the cattle market, selling cattle, raising the best beef possible...this is frustrating. As far as my family, we don't eat at McDonald's much (Subway is our choice of fast food), but this will keep us from ever stopping there again, even for a drink. =20 =20 The original message is from the Texas Cattle Feeders Association. American cattle producers are very passionate about this. McDonald's claims that there is not enough beef in the USA to support their restaurants. Well, we know that is not so. Our opinion is they are looking to save money at our expense. The sad thing of it is that the people of the USA are the ones who made McDonald's successful in the first = place, but we are not good enough to provide beef. We personally are no longer eating at McDonald's, which I am sure does not make an impact, but if we pass this a= round maybe there will be an impact felt. =20 Please pass it on. Just to add a note, all Americans that sell cows at a livestock auction barn had to sign a paper stating that we do NOT EVER feed our cows any part of another cow. South Americans are not required to do this as of yet. =20 McDonald's has announced that they are going to start importing much of their beef from South America . The problem is that South Americans aren't under the same regulations as American beef producers, and the regulations they have are loosely controlled. =20 They can spray numerous pesticides on their pastures that have been banned here at home because of residues found in the beef. They can also use various hormones and growth regulators that we can't. The American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may be putting themselves at risk from now on by eating at good old McDonald's. =20 American ranchers raise the highest quality beef in the world and this is what Americans deserve to eat, not beef from countries where quality is loosely controlled. Therefore, I am proposing a boycott of McDonald's until they see the light. I'm sorry but everything is not always about the bottom line, and when it comes to jeopardizing my family's health, that is where I draw the line. =20 =20 I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =3D 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 =3D 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! =20 I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you? Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. David W. Forrest, Ph.D., PAS, Dipl. ACAP Department of Animal Science Texas A&M University 2471 TA! MU College Station, TX 77843-2471 Email d-forrest@tamu.ed Phone (979) 845-3560 Fax (979) 862-3399 _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!=A0 Play Star Shuffle:=A0 the word scramble = challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=3Dstarshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc= t= --_214c8d00-c961-47ee-9c8c-594f96b7f4ed_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef

    &n= bsp;    I'm sure those of you who aren't in the cattle business don't understand the issues here. But to those of us who who's living depends on the cattle market, selling cattle, raising the best beef possible...this is frustrating. As far as my family, we don't eat at McDonald's much (Subway is our choice of fast food), but this will keep us from ever stopping there again, even for a drink.

   &nb= sp;     The original message is from the Texas Cattle Feeders Association. American cattle producers are very passionate about this. McDonald's claims that there is not enough beef in the USA to support their restaurants. Well, we know that is not so. Our opinion is they are looking to save money at our expense. The sad thing of it is that the
pe= ople of the USA are the ones who made McDonald's successful in the first pl= ace, but we are not good enough to provide beef.
    = ;     We personally are no longer eating at McDonald's, which I am sure does not make an impact, but if we pass this a= round maybe there will be an impact felt.
     =     Please pass it on. Just to add a note, all Americans that sell cows at a livestock auction barn had to sign a paper stating that we do NOT EVER feed our cows any part of another cow.
    &nbs= p;    South Americans are not required to do this as of yet.=
         McDonald's has announced that they are going to start importing much of their beef from South America . The problem is that South Americans aren't under the same regulations as American beef producers, and the regulations they have are loosely controlled. 
    &= nbsp;    They can spray numerous pesticides on their pastures that have been banned here at home because of residues found in the beef. They can also use various hormones and growth regulators that we can't.
 &nb= sp;       The American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may be putting themselves at risk from now on by eating at good old McDonald's.         American ranchers raise the highest quality beef in the world and this is what Americans deserve to eat, not beef from countries where quality is loosely controlled. Therefore, I am proposing a boycott of McDonald's until they see the light.
      = ;   I'm sorry but everything is not always about the bottom line, and when it comes to jeopardizing my family's health, that is where I draw the line.

 &nbs= p;       I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =3D 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 =3D 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!
       =   I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you? Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.
       &= nbsp;
&= nbsp;        David W. Forrest, Ph.D., PA= S, Dipl. ACAP
         Departmen= t of Animal Science
         Tex= as A&M University
         2= 471 TA! MU
         College Stat= ion, TX 77843-2471
         Emai= l d-forr= est@tamu.ed
    &n= bsp;    Phone (979) 845-3560
    &nbs= p;    Fax (979) 862-3399

Climb to the = top of the charts!=A0 Play Star Shuffle:=A0 the word scramble challenge wit= h star power. Play Now! = --_214c8d00-c961-47ee-9c8c-594f96b7f4ed_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 14 17:37:54 2007 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F0bloc001774; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:37:47 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9F0bZ54001754; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:37:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:37:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: jj jj cc: darrell dawson , Dave and Pam , Debbie D , delilah dawson , Dennis Schendel , desire dawson , di di , Gene Stansbury , jerryshap@msn.com, Jim siehien , Jon Badker , kathleen , Kevin Kiker , KEVIN RALLS , kipper n , Larry S , mark Supan , Marshall skull , michael.mullen@cox.net, na Bob , Nancy Lewis , Nate Ebberts , Rick Hines , robcork@themacisp.net, Robert Cork , Sherry Clark , steve k , Tivo Tivo Subject: Re: [FG]: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25764 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 447 I'm not sure what this has to do with free energy. With respect to America; in this country they go out of their way to keep any knowledge of mad cow disease from the public. In Japan the test every animal they slaughter for human consumption. Mickey-D's was one of the first to stop using British beef when it became known there was an issue with BSE there. From what I've seen they've been far more responsible in terms of avoiding exposing the public to mad cow than just about anybody. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Daniel Dawson wrote: > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:14:48 -0700 > From: Daniel Dawson > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: darrell dawson , Dave and Pam , Debbie D , delilah dawson , Dennis Schendel , desire dawson , di di , Gene Stansbury , jerryshap@msn.com, Jim siehien , jj jj , Jon Badker , kathleen , Kevin Kiker , KEVIN RALLS , kipper n , Larry S , mark Supan , Marshall skull , michael.mullen@cox.net, na Bob , Nancy Lewis , Nate Ebberts , Rick Hines , robcork@themacisp.net, Robert Cork , Sherry Clark , steve k , Tivo Tivo > Subject: [FG]: > Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:14:51 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef > > I'm sure those of you who aren't in the cattle business don't > understand the issues here. But to those of us who who's living depends > on the cattle market, selling cattle, raising the best beef > possible...this is frustrating. As far as my family, we don't eat at > McDonald's much (Subway is our choice of fast food), but this will keep > us from ever stopping there again, even for a drink. > > The original message is from the Texas Cattle Feeders Association. > American cattle producers are very passionate about this. McDonald's > claims that there is not enough beef in the USA to support their > restaurants. Well, we know that is not so. Our opinion is they are > looking to save money at our expense. The sad thing of it is that the > people of the USA are the ones who made McDonald's successful in the first place, but we are not good enough to provide beef. > We personally are no longer eating at > McDonald's, which I am sure does not make an impact, but if we pass this around maybe there will be an impact felt. > > Please pass it on. Just to add a note, all Americans that sell cows at > a livestock auction barn had to sign a paper stating that we do NOT > EVER feed our cows any part of another cow. > South Americans are not required to do this as of yet. > > McDonald's has announced that they are going to start importing much of > their beef from South America . The problem is that South Americans > aren't under the same regulations as American beef producers, and the > regulations they have are loosely controlled. > They can spray numerous pesticides on their pastures that have been > banned here at home because of residues found in the beef. They can > also use various hormones and growth regulators that we can't. > The > American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may be > putting themselves at risk from now on by eating at good old McDonald's. > > American ranchers raise the highest quality beef in the world and this > is what Americans deserve to eat, not beef from countries where quality > is loosely controlled. Therefore, I am proposing a boycott of > McDonald's until they see the light. > I'm sorry but > everything is not always about the bottom line, and when it comes to > jeopardizing my family's health, that is where I draw the line. > > I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it > to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at > least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the > message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached > over THREE MILLION consumers! > > I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you? > Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, > please pass this message on. > David W. Forrest, Ph.D., PAS, Dipl. ACAP > Department of Animal Science > Texas A&M University > 2471 TA! MU > College Station, TX 77843-2471 > Email d-forrest@tamu.ed > Phone (979) 845-3560 > Fax (979) 862-3399 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 14 19:45:11 2007 Received: from ultra3.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra3.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F2j1YG023653; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:45:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra3.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9F2ipWj023612; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:44:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:44:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra3.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:44:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup To: jj jj Subject: Re: [FG]: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25765 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 448 On Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Nanook wrote: > > > I'm not sure what this has to do with free energy. > If you'll see the long list of people/groups it was sent to, you'll see it was spam. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 14 19:55:14 2007 Received: from ultra3.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra3.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F2t10w025429; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:55:07 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra3.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9F2o1up024596; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:50:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:50:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra3.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20071014224849.3GVJC.302453.root@fepweb03> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:48:49 -0700 From: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Cc: Nanook In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <3RitLD.A.OAG.ZVtEHB@ultra3.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25766 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 449 Yah... I was wonderin if it where one o them aggie jokes..... http://burntorangecounty.com/AggieJokes.html Seriously it has all of the earmarks of a scam. (including the lack of verifiable reference) ---- Nanook wrote: > > > I'm not sure what this has to do with free energy. > > With respect to America; in this country they go out of their way to keep > any knowledge of mad cow disease from the public. In Japan the test every > animal they slaughter for human consumption. > > Mickey-D's was one of the first to stop using British beef when it became > known there was an issue with BSE there. > > From what I've seen they've been far more responsible in terms of avoiding > exposing the public to mad cow than just about anybody. > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. > Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. > > On Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Daniel Dawson wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:14:48 -0700 > > From: Daniel Dawson > > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > To: darrell dawson , > Dave and Pam , Debbie D , > delilah dawson , > Dennis Schendel , > desire dawson , di di , > Gene Stansbury , jerryshap@msn.com, > Jim siehien , jj jj , > Jon Badker , kathleen , > Kevin Kiker , KEVIN RALLS , > kipper n , Larry S , > mark Supan , Marshall skull , > michael.mullen@cox.net, na Bob , > Nancy Lewis , Nate Ebberts , > Rick Hines , robcork@themacisp.net, > Robert Cork , Sherry Clark , > steve k , Tivo Tivo > > Subject: [FG]: > > Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:14:51 -0700 > > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > > > Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef > > > > I'm sure those of you who aren't in the cattle business don't > > understand the issues here. But to those of us who who's living depends > > on the cattle market, selling cattle, raising the best beef > > possible...this is frustrating. As far as my family, we don't eat at > > McDonald's much (Subway is our choice of fast food), but this will keep > > us from ever stopping there again, even for a drink. > > > > The original message is from the Texas Cattle Feeders Association. > > American cattle producers are very passionate about this. McDonald's > > claims that there is not enough beef in the USA to support their > > restaurants. Well, we know that is not so. Our opinion is they are > > looking to save money at our expense. The sad thing of it is that the > > people of the USA are the ones who made McDonald's successful in the first place, but we are not good enough to provide beef. > > We personally are no longer eating at > > McDonald's, which I am sure does not make an impact, but if we pass this around maybe there will be an impact felt. > > > > Please pass it on. Just to add a note, all Americans that sell cows at > > a livestock auction barn had to sign a paper stating that we do NOT > > EVER feed our cows any part of another cow. > > South Americans are not required to do this as of yet. > > > > McDonald's has announced that they are going to start importing much of > > their beef from South America . The problem is that South Americans > > aren't under the same regulations as American beef producers, and the > > regulations they have are loosely controlled. > > They can spray numerous pesticides on their pastures that have been > > banned here at home because of residues found in the beef. They can > > also use various hormones and growth regulators that we can't. > > The > > American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may be > > putting themselves at risk from now on by eating at good old McDonald's. > > > > American ranchers raise the highest quality beef in the world and this > > is what Americans deserve to eat, not beef from countries where quality > > is loosely controlled. Therefore, I am proposing a boycott of > > McDonald's until they see the light. > > I'm sorry but > > everything is not always about the bottom line, and when it comes to > > jeopardizing my family's health, that is where I draw the line. > > > > I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it > > to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at > > least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the > > message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached > > over THREE MILLION consumers! > > > > I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you? > > Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, > > please pass this message on. > > David W. Forrest, Ph.D., PAS, Dipl. ACAP > > Department of Animal Science > > Texas A&M University > > 2471 TA! MU > > College Station, TX 77843-2471 > > Email d-forrest@tamu.ed > > Phone (979) 845-3560 > > Fax (979) 862-3399 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. > > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 14 23:30:24 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F6UAuv000616; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:30:11 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9F6U2Ph000460; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:30:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:30:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6574605c-f2de-4768-b1a0-92c52ea7217f_" X-Originating-IP: [76.174.237.5] From: M J Mitch Mitchell To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:30:00 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2007 06:30:01.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[D06FDC20:01C80EF4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25767 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 450 --_6574605c-f2de-4768-b1a0-92c52ea7217f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef=20 =20 After a quick stop at snopes.com, I find that you are partially correct. =20 =20 They are not importing any beef from South America, but they are importing small amounts of beef from Austrialia and New Zealand. =20 Before posting items of this sort you should check at a site that can disce= rn=20 fact from fiction, such as snopes.com. If you don't, you leave yourself ope= n=20 to a lawsuit. I can only imagine how much money they might lose because of such BS. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= --_6574605c-f2de-4768-b1a0-92c52ea7217f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef
 
After a quick stop at snopes.com, I find that you are partially correct.&nb= sp;
 
They are not importing any beef from South America, but they are impor= ting
small amounts of beef from Austrialia and New Zealand.
 
Before posting items of this sort you should check at a site that can disce= rn
fact from fiction, such as snopes.com. If you don't, you leave yourself ope= n
to a lawsuit. I can only imagine how much money they might lose because
of such BS.
 

Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You!= Get 'em! = --_6574605c-f2de-4768-b1a0-92c52ea7217f_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 15 09:13:07 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9FGCkXh014292; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:12:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9FGCYPI014107; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:12:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:12:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Laszlo" To: References: Subject: RE: [FG]: A Big Beefy Yawn... Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:12:30 -0700 Organization: GIS Message-ID: <000301c80f46$2fe0fb20$4102a8c0@d400sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C80F0B.83822320" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgO9P9pV6/JtILUTkqalrNS5CejuAAUH8Mg Resent-Message-ID: <2a4XRD.A.NcD.yF5EHB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25768 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 451 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C80F0B.83822320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Besides that (and that it has absolutely zero to do with free-energy) is this rather conspicuous aside: " I'm sorry but everything is not always about the bottom line." Actually - the entire message seems to be precisely about the bottom line, i.e., ".don't let restaurants buy any beef but our own." In other words, if McD buys their beef from South American ranchers it will most definitely affect our writer's bottom line - which, IMO, is the prime motivation behind the spam. OK - back to free energy (we hope)! Laszlo _____ From: M J Mitch Mitchell [mailto:badaddidude@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:30 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: _____ Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef After a quick stop at snopes.com, I find that you are partially correct. They are not importing any beef from South America, but they are importing small amounts of beef from Austrialia and New Zealand. Before posting items of this sort you should check at a site that can discern fact from fiction, such as snopes.com. If you don't, you leave yourself open to a lawsuit. I can only imagine how much money they might lose because of such BS. _____ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C80F0B.83822320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Besides that (and that it has = absolutely zero to do with free-energy) is this rather conspicuous = aside:

 

” I'm sorry but everything is not always about the bottom = line…”

 

Actually – the entire message = seems to be precisely about the bottom line, i.e., “…don’t = let restaurants buy any beef but our own.”  In other words, if McD buys their = beef from South American ranchers it will most definitely affect our = writer’s bottom line – which, IMO, is the prime motivation behind the = spam…

 

OK - back to free energy (we = hope)!

 

Laszlo

 

From: M J = Mitch Mitchell [mailto:badaddidude@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 14, = 2007 11:30 PM
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: = [FG]:

 

 



Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef
 
After a quick stop at snopes.com, I find that you are partially = correct. 
 
They are not importing any beef from South = America, but they are importing
small amounts of beef from Austrialia and New Zealand.
 
Before posting items of this sort you should check at a site that can = discern
fact from fiction, such as snopes.com. If you don't, you leave yourself = open
to a lawsuit. I can only imagine how much money they might lose = because
of such BS.
 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C80F0B.83822320-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 17 14:50:47 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HLoR8q015531; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:50:28 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9HLoPpa015501; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:50:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:50:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <47168206.1010507@fdscience.org> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:43:34 -0400 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8C39Z.A.DyD.gOoFHB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25769 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Zack Widup Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 452 Hello, Zack, I sent you a couple of messages offline nearly three weeks ago, did they not get through? --Kyle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 19 00:08:53 2007 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J78bOS009728; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:08:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9J78DLs009236; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:08:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:08:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <68A34DFE87D0BE46AF898FFCC65CCF84C852A5@caraupermb02.carrier-apac.com.au> From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:08:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8121E.C94E175C" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25770 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 453 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8121E.C94E175C Content-Type: text/plain Who really cares if Mc D's loses money or not (unless you own shares!!!)? Who cares if all the multi national companies of the world lose all their money? It might bring the "consumers" of this world back to earth to concentrate on what is really important in life rather than making more and more money and "keeping up with the joneses". Ask the common man in the street in Africa or India what is really important in their lives, you wont get "Widescreen TV" or "New Mercedes" or "new Hairstyle"!!!! Lets get real and work towards real free energy, none of us will need money when we finally get this. John _____ From: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com [mailto:freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of M J Mitch Mitchell Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:30 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: _____ Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef After a quick stop at snopes.com, I find that you are partially correct. They are not importing any beef from South America, but they are importing small amounts of beef from Austrialia and New Zealand. Before posting items of this sort you should check at a site that can discern fact from fiction, such as snopes.com. If you don't, you leave yourself open to a lawsuit. I can only imagine how much money they might lose because of such BS. _____ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8121E.C94E175C Content-Type: text/html
Who really cares if Mc D's loses money or not (unless you own shares!!!)? Who cares if all the multi national companies of the world lose all their money? It might bring the "consumers" of this world back to earth to concentrate on what is really important in life rather than making more and more money and "keeping up with the joneses".
 
Ask the common man in the street in Africa or India what is really important in their lives, you wont get "Widescreen TV" or "New Mercedes" or "new Hairstyle"!!!!
 
Lets get real and work towards real free energy, none of us will need money when we finally get this.
 

John

From: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com [mailto:freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of M J Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:30 PM
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [FG]:





Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef
 
After a quick stop at snopes.com, I find that you are partially correct. 
 
They are not importing any beef from South America, but they are importing
small amounts of beef from Austrialia and New Zealand.
 
Before posting items of this sort you should check at a site that can discern
fact from fiction, such as snopes.com. If you don't, you leave yourself open
to a lawsuit. I can only imagine how much money they might lose because
of such BS.
 

Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8121E.C94E175C-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 19 00:52:44 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J7qZxI001329; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:52:36 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id l9J7qNnu001262; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:52:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:52:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Received-SPF: none (mx2.kol.co.nz: domain of Arrowntree@kol.co.nz does not designate permitted sender hosts) Message-ID: <0af601c81224$f6b35690$227296ca@1695C3D4B4> From: "Alistair Robin" To: References: <68A34DFE87D0BE46AF898FFCC65CCF84C852A5@caraupermb02.carrier-apac.com.au> Subject: Re: [FG]: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:51:36 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0AF3_01C81291.D6E997D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.kol.co.nz on Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:52:26 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 19 20:52:26 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6768 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 210 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25771 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 454 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0AF3_01C81291.D6E997D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well said Joho here's a million bucks and some change $1,000,000,000 = spend it how you like but not at Mc D's or Kon tacky fryer's peace and love Alistair Robin www.alrart.net/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com=20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: RE: [FG]: Who really cares if Mc D's loses money or not (unless you own = shares!!!)? Who cares if all the multi national companies of the world = lose all their money? It might bring the "consumers" of this world back = to earth to concentrate on what is really important in life rather than = making more and more money and "keeping up with the joneses". Ask the common man in the street in Africa or India what is really = important in their lives, you wont get "Widescreen TV" or "New Mercedes" = or "new Hairstyle"!!!! Lets get real and work towards real free energy, none of us will need = money when we finally get this. John=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com = [mailto:freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of M J Mitch Mitchell Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:30 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef=20 =20 After a quick stop at snopes.com, I find that you are partially = correct. =20 =20 They are not importing any beef from South America, but they are = importing small amounts of beef from Austrialia and New Zealand. =20 Before posting items of this sort you should check at a site that = can discern=20 fact from fiction, such as snopes.com. If you don't, you leave = yourself open=20 to a lawsuit. I can only imagine how much money they might lose = because of such BS. =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! ------=_NextPart_000_0AF3_01C81291.D6E997D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well said Joho here's a million bucks and some = change=20 $1,000,000,000 spend it how you like but not at Mc D's or Kon tacky=20 fryer's
peace and love
Alistair Robin
www.alrart.net/
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John.Rudiger@carrier.utc.com= =20
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 = 8:08=20 PM
Subject: RE: [FG]:

Who really cares if Mc D's loses money = or not=20 (unless you own shares!!!)? Who cares if all the multi national = companies of=20 the world lose all their money? It might bring the "consumers" of this = world=20 back to earth to concentrate on what is really important in life = rather than=20 making more and more money and "keeping up with the=20 joneses".
 
Ask the common man in the street in Africa = or India=20 what is really important in their lives, you wont get "Widescreen TV" = or "New=20 Mercedes" or "new Hairstyle"!!!!
 
Lets get real and work towards real free = energy, none=20 of us will need money when we finally get this.
 

John=20

From: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com=20 [mailto:freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of M J Mitch=20 Mitchell
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:30 = PM
To:=20 freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [FG]:





Subject: Toxic McDonald's Beef=20
 
After a quick stop at snopes.com, I find that = you are=20 partially correct. 
 
They are not importing = any beef=20 from South America, but they are importing
small amounts of beef = from=20 Austrialia and New Zealand.
 
Before posting items of = this sort=20 you should check at a site that can discern
fact from fiction, = such as=20 snopes.com. If you don't, you leave yourself open
to a lawsuit. = I can=20 only imagine how much money they might lose because
of such=20 BS.
 

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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 20 00:12:15 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK8C3nT028249; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:12:03 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id lAK8Brwv028190; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:11:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:11:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=KTkcjKRr4t5lZZqufl19+BPfV/PbTTKD6vC6yOYBiD376R/+mlCDPcS7JmEol4/ga62DnArJ/AoJd9K27Nmm9exKJlfs4Efd68GeQ3vaBz9T/Yk37N1lNwh7OkhcpTBTdc1xkqgrxj+Mk5qODPP2quDKW/zdQ/spyyBZbYxsfNc=; X-YMail-OSG: Bp1gBkcVM1kPiSuZvBqd6eg3.eVCV3R7KWPnfZbf Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:11:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mubashar Hassan Subject: Re: [FG]: PESN+PDF+Video: Ravi's Water Fuel Cell Suppressed in India To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <538fa8f10708311457p2003c900y5c4c78301d3bcc44@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-153457611-1195546312=:73017" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <867290.73017.qm@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1z0y5D.A.U4G.IbpQHB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25774 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 457 --0-153457611-1195546312=:73017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear, I want to know that on which forum/website do you post these mails. These are very informative. But I forgot that forum/site. please send me the link. I will be very thankful to you. Well wisher, Mubashar Esa Ruoho wrote: all 11 ravi videos archived (well, one isnt by him, but was posted by him) at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/raviyoutube31aug.zip he has not added anything else after being threatened also someone dredged up further, older, information about the Dave Lawton replication (which ravi raju replicated and which got him into trouble) so here they are: http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_Cell.pdf http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_WFC_Setup.pdf http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Stanley_Meyer_Theories_and_Circuits.pdf http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Secrets_of_the_Water_Cell_Explained.pdf http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Bedini_SG_-_THE_Key_to_Meyers_circuit.pdf also i have it on good authority that the D14.pdf which http://panaceauniversity.org/ is putting around (which is a good compilation of data on the dave lawton replication), is going to be updated within the next few weeks, with further information about, well, cold current. if anyone has the time to check out them, do let us know your analysis. and here is the PESN article on ravi suppression http://pesn.com/2007/08/31/9500496_Ravi_waterfuelcell_suppression/ On 31/08/2007, Esa Ruoho wrote:ravi raju has been threatened,.. but heres some more stuff from another person - connecting Meyer/Lawton to Nikola Tesla. --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. --0-153457611-1195546312=:73017 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear,

I want to know that on which forum/website do you post these mails. These are very informative. But I forgot that forum/site.

please send me the link. I will be very thankful to you.

Well wisher,
Mubashar

Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
all 11 ravi videos archived (well, one isnt by him, but was posted by him) at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/raviyoutube31aug.zip
he has not added anything else after being threatened

also someone dredged up further, older, information about the Dave Lawton replication (which ravi raju replicated and which got him into trouble)
so here they are:
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_Cell.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_WFC_Setup.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Stanley_Meyer_Theories_and_Circuits.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Secrets_of_the_Water_Cell_Explained.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Bedini_SG_-_THE_Key_to_Meyers_circuit.pdf

also i have it on good authority that the D14.pdf  which http://panaceauniversity.org/  is putting around (which is a good compilation of data on the dave lawton replication), is going to be updated within the next few weeks, with further information about, well, cold current.

if anyone has the time to check out them, do let us know your analysis.

and here is the PESN article on ravi suppression http://pesn.com/2007/08/31/9500496_Ravi_waterfuelcell_suppression/

On 31/08/2007, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com > wrote:
ravi raju has been threatened,.. but heres some more stuff from another person - connecting  Meyer/Lawton to Nikola Tesla.


Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. --0-153457611-1195546312=:73017-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 20 01:19:54 2007 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK9Jlxs027398; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:19:47 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id lAK9JTru027310; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:19:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:19:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=i/z5S4V8KWJXPun0KZZ8pqn3xVpkdkOKx0EYJjRrTCY=; b=dW7mOPXOqoIKlAVxV0zt1RMF6BtoRRCrjOqKD4Mbonc66hsgXSMzlsQPtKZruhytSrXKtWDG7Q8su4uHOhGdWfwsgIQVKRmC+nSZuoWkYKcL8Qxu6jSSrMBrf0B6D6doXgfLkQR4z6xoERr4rv8t5kxcFrFaDQrliQOPVMoaZtQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nFFywSTesASDyPEK27bShE75xk5l/TUCg7ycNfrfiG/6VrMZb+kMB5j+THTbtFhHBsySOhmDT/GJLlZ4bIOjBp1sdRYJA/OF54ljLx1jCrOiX/m8GuI0PIEYK6Adzy0TlQnM2KEi77fKFbbGaB/Q9jlId482uaDpjk5+vGsF0FA= Message-ID: <538fa8f10711200119q17cdf118l5bd42d9b62bf6cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:19:27 +0200 From: "Esa Ruoho" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: PESN+PDF+Video: Ravi's Water Fuel Cell Suppressed in India In-Reply-To: <867290.73017.qm@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18082_1568429.1195550367623" References: <538fa8f10708311457p2003c900y5c4c78301d3bcc44@mail.gmail.com> <867290.73017.qm@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25775 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 458 ------=_Part_18082_1568429.1195550367623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline there are three places for its discussion, three as i know of, but probably more. ravi raju videos http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=raviwfc ravi raju device thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3079 and so on.. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3566.0/topicseen.html another, newer guy called @bigfatpothead@ on overunity http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2688.0/topicseen.html "Here' how I did it. I turned on my AM radio near 620 AM. you can hear the Lawton circuit ticking away. turn all of your pots (variable resistors) to the left. in the schematic there are 2 three position switches. the left hand switch is set to the left most position the right hand switch is set to the center position. slowly start turning the 10K pots in very small increments. wait 10 seconds before changing the pots, you may see small amounts aof bubbles right away. keep turning each 10 k pot but not past the halfway mark, if you get that far then you should turn all pots to the opposite direction and start from there, working your way back, SLOWLY. On the radio you will hear the clicks getting faster and faster until the sound like a steady tone on the radio, a very high tone.... good luck..." from overunity forum, videos at http://www.bigfatpothead.com/watercar.html the Panacea University also contains an article about the dave lawton / stanley meyer / ravi raju replication http://panaceauniversity.org/D14.pdf On 20/11/2007, Mubashar Hassan wrote: > > Dear, > > I want to know that on which forum/website do you post these mails. These > are very informative. But I forgot that forum/site. > > please send me the link. I will be very thankful to you. > > Well wisher, > Mubashar > > *Esa Ruoho * wrote: > > all 11 ravi videos archived (well, one isnt by him, but was posted by him) > at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/raviyoutube31aug.zip > he has not added anything else after being threatened > > also someone dredged up further, older, information about the Dave Lawton > replication (which ravi raju replicated and which got him into trouble) > so here they are: > http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_Cell.pdf > http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_WFC_Setup.pdf > > http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Stanley_Meyer_Theories_and_Circuits.pdf > http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Secrets_of_the_Water_Cell_Explained.pdf > > > > http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Bedini_SG_-_THE_Key_to_Meyers_circuit.pdf > > also i have it on good authority that the D14.pdf which > http://panaceauniversity.org/ is putting around (which is a good > compilation of data on the dave lawton replication), is going to be updated > within the next few weeks, with further information about, well, cold > current. > > if anyone has the time to check out them, do let us know your analysis. > > and here is the PESN article on ravi suppression > http://pesn.com/2007/08/31/9500496_Ravi_waterfuelcell_suppression/ > > On 31/08/2007, Esa Ruoho wrote: > > > > ravi raju has been threatened,.. but heres some more stuff from another > > person - connecting Meyer/Lawton to Nikola Tesla. > > > > > ------------------------------ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. > > -- $B!g(B ------=_Part_18082_1568429.1195550367623 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline there are three places for its discussion, three as i know of, but probably more.
ravi raju videos http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=raviwfc
ravi raju device thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3079 
and so on..
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3566.0/topicseen.html

another, newer guy called @bigfatpothead@ on overunity
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2688.0/topicseen.html
"Here' how I did it.
I turned on my AM radio near 620 AM.
you can hear the Lawton circuit ticking away.
turn all of your pots (variable resistors) to the left.
in the schematic there are 2 three position switches.
the left hand switch is set to the left most position
the right hand switch is set to the center position.
slowly start turning the 10K pots in very small increments.
wait 10 seconds before changing the pots, you may see small amounts aof bubbles right away.
keep turning each 10 k pot but not past the halfway mark, if you get that far then you should turn all pots to the opposite direction and start from there, working your way back, SLOWLY.
On the radio you will hear the clicks getting faster and faster until the sound like a steady tone on the radio, a very high tone....
good luck..." from overunity forum, videos at http://www.bigfatpothead.com/watercar.html

the Panacea University also contains an article about the dave lawton / stanley meyer / ravi raju replication
http://panaceauniversity.org/D14.pdf

On 20/11/2007, Mubashar Hassan < mubashar_radionics@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear,

I want to know that on which forum/website do you post these mails. These are very informative. But I forgot that forum/site.

please send me the link. I will be very thankful to you.

Well wisher,
Mubashar


Esa Ruoho < esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
all 11 ravi videos archived (well, one isnt by him, but was posted by him) at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/raviyoutube31aug.zip
he has not added anything else after being threatened

also someone dredged up further, older, information about the Dave Lawton replication (which ravi raju replicated and which got him into trouble)
so here they are:
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_Cell.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Daves_WFC_Setup.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Stanley_Meyer_Theories_and_Circuits.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Secrets_of_the_Water_Cell_Explained.pdf
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/lawton/Bedini_SG_-_THE_Key_to_Meyers_circuit.pdf

also i have it on good authority that the D14.pdf  which http://panaceauniversity.org/  is putting around (which is a good compilation of data on the dave lawton replication), is going to be updated within the next few weeks, with further information about, well, cold current.

if anyone has the time to check out them, do let us know your analysis.

and here is the PESN article on ravi suppression http://pesn.com/2007/08/31/9500496_Ravi_waterfuelcell_suppression/

On 31/08/2007, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com > wrote:
ravi raju has been threatened,.. but heres some more stuff from another person - connecting  Meyer/Lawton to Nikola Tesla.


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*******************

THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN

An Invention Whose Time Has Come!

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"The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is,
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* IMAGINE an energy source that is abundant, inexpensive,
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(205) 835-9022



--============_-1001750427==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 19 10:40:20 2008 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JHeHDk002122; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:40:17 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id m5JHeGI9002116; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:40:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:40:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EjUBZlDfmTzJ/sTaMuPEsif4EXHRbly+dpjHVdicx6w5iTwAzTZJYTd1/CqoKyR2mBuL1UKSeg+pG3mIQnnStEV99voawkF1E6T2amzWuzXME+Tp9vR8LPbUZkM0ioG40QuattYEC6SXvOQRuNHrdK9plg7ZH0GNahdnozi29vc=; X-YMail-OSG: dFW58.YVM1lxESN3Ja9uI4eu1lahLonzE81n8Zxy.MJ1TA7dBdi6BE7oE7iOewgm.A-- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mr. \"C\"" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1350823329-1213897208=:17691" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <520205.17691.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25778 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Magnetic motor Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 461 --0-1350823329-1213897208=:17691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A great article by John Dodd on Mr. Kohei Minato's invention. Here in Jamaica, W.I., we have abundant sunshine, but the cost of Solar Panels, Deep-Cycle Batteries and Inverters are probative. Are these units being manufactured to generate electricity for household use? IE: Two to Three KW. Thanks. Mr C --0-1350823329-1213897208=:17691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 
A great article by John Dodd on Mr. Kohei Minato's invention.

Here in Jamaica, W.I., we have abundant sunshine, but the cost of Solar
 Panels, Deep-Cycle Batteries and Inverters are probative.

Are these units being manufactured to generate electricity for
 household use?  IE: Two to Three KW.

Thanks.


Mr C

--0-1350823329-1213897208=:17691-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 19 13:06:49 2008 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JK6iwk030842; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:06:44 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id m5JK6e31030763; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:06:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:06:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=l+a7b9Z7AGpXDrJEYTp2/a0A0jhTVRx7VxTulgzNggJUmUISW0Z/7aV6m0LIbhYFUnq5EyVREyiZg9EfNrJDiZdDVXqUWwuDqPjbOcM91bUzvHDoTRkSyRik13DvBPrtmlURBiInjBAJx5dX9GGjFkiqswRG1qWO6Zf33qBuiEU=; X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:06:34 -0700 (PDT) From: bcherry Reply-To: thebirdzine@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Magnetic motor To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <520205.17691.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <233510.80462.qm@web32606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25779 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 462 Dear Mr. C, There is an organisation in California just north of the Bay Area that specialises in what you are referring to: The Solar Living Institute http://www.solarliving.org/ They should be able to point you in the right direction. Also, Home Power magazine,http://www.homepower.com/home/ always relevant, especially for DIY solar installations and other conventional renewable energy sources such as wind, geothermal and solar hot water. I would say that equipment for solar installation is more affordable and practical than ever. Solar inverter technology, for example, has improved a great deal, check out Outback http://www.outbackpower.com. I have installed some of there inverters myself and have found them highly efficent, but expensive. Best Wishes, BreTT --- On Thu, 6/19/08, Mr. "C" wrote: > From: Mr. "C" > Subject: [FG]: Magnetic motor > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 1:40 PM > A great article by John Dodd on Mr. Kohei Minato's > invention. > > Here in Jamaica, W.I., we have abundant sunshine, but the > cost of Solar > Panels, Deep-Cycle Batteries and Inverters are probative. > > Are these units being manufactured to generate electricity > for > household use? IE: Two to Three KW. > > Thanks. > > > > Mr C From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 19 15:31:58 2008 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6JMVqgi012811; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:31:53 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id m6JMVlXm012794; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:31:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:31:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:31:35 -0500 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: "JNPCo." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-995615796==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25780 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 463 --============_-995615796==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" NEW VIDEO JUST RELEASED! PROOF: The Newman Energy Machine Will Change The World (24:00 min.) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3747078809628665374&q=Newman+will+change+the+world&ei=bRt9SKzGHoym4QLE7emECw * * * * * * * and for important information about the energy machine technology including TV interviews/reports with experts who have endorsed the technology: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en ******************* THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN An Invention Whose Time Has Come! Nikola Tesla once wrote: "The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is, will chronicle an event probably greater than any other recorded in the human race." * IMAGINE a civilization with an access to virtually unlimited energy . . . * IMAGINE an energy source that is abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly . . . * IMAGINE a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear . . . * IMAGINE an electromagnetic Motor which runs cool and harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in complete accord with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics . . . * IMAGINE such a Motor powering the world --- every automobile, appliance, home, farm, factory, ship, and plane, at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy . . . * IMAGINE such a Motor enabling us to someday reach the stars --- safely and inexpensively . . . Such a technology now exists: *********************************** THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN *********************************** The A & E (Arts & Entertainment) Network aired a national Special entitled "Conspiracies" which featured the revolutionary technology of Joseph Newman. Joseph Newman has been featured on the CBS Evening News, The Tonight Show, ABC/CNN National News, LIFE Magazine, PBS's "All Things Considered," in thousands of newspapers/ magazines across the world, and on hundreds of radio talk shows presenting his revolutionary technology. Better than 30 physicists, nuclear engineers, electrical engineers, and electrical technicians have signed Affidavits attesting to the validity of Joseph Newman's revolutionary invention: an electromagnetic Motor/Generator that could supply every America's home, farm, business, automobile, and appliance with electrical power at a fraction of the present cost and enable you to become energy independent. ********************************************************** "The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the large-scale, commercial development of this invention." --- Dr. Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist UNISYS CORPORATION "If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts." --- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA "You have opened an area in Astrophysics which may revolutionize the magnetic energy problems which is now the most paramount problem in future energy and space travel. I do believe with proper research funds, the results would not only be a great financial boom to your financiers, but would lead to developments that will be practical and beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science." --- Dr. E. L. Moragne, MORAGNE RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CO. [Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first atomic bomb.] Please let others know about these new videos! Thanks! NEWMAN ENERGY CORPORATION http://www.josephnewman.com/ Joseph Nolfe, President & CEO NECorp. (205) 835-9022 --============_-995615796==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" PROOF: The Newman Energy Machine Will Change The World

NEW VIDEO JUST RELEASED!

PROOF:
The Newman Energy Machine
Will Change The World
(24:00 min.)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3747078809628665374&q=Newman+will+change+the+world&ei=bRt9SKzGHoym4QLE7emECw


*   *   *   *   *   *   *

and for important information about the energy machine technology
including TV interviews/reports with experts who have endorsed the technology:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en


*******************

THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN

An Invention Whose Time Has Come!

Nikola Tesla once wrote:

"The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is,
 will chronicle an event probably greater than any other
 recorded in the human race."

* IMAGINE a civilization with an access to virtually
 unlimited energy . . .

* IMAGINE an energy source that is abundant, inexpensive,
 and environmentally-friendly . . .

* IMAGINE a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas,
 coal, and nuclear . . .

* IMAGINE an electromagnetic Motor which runs cool and
 harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in
 complete accord with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics . . .

* IMAGINE such a Motor powering the world --- every
 automobile, appliance, home, farm, factory, ship, and
 plane, at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy . . .

* IMAGINE such a Motor enabling us to someday reach the
 stars --- safely and inexpensively . . .

Such a technology now exists:

***********************************
THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN
 ***********************************

The A & E (Arts & Entertainment) Network aired a national Special entitled
"Conspiracies" which featured the revolutionary technology of Joseph Newman.

Joseph Newman has been featured on the CBS Evening News, The Tonight Show,
ABC/CNN National News, LIFE Magazine, PBS's "All Things Considered," in thousands of
newspapers/ magazines across the world, and on hundreds of radio talk shows
presenting his revolutionary technology.

Better than 30 physicists, nuclear engineers, electrical engineers, and electrical technicians
have signed Affidavits attesting to the validity of Joseph Newman's revolutionary invention:
an electromagnetic Motor/Generator that could supply every America's home, farm,
business, automobile, and appliance with electrical power at a fraction of the present cost
and enable you to become energy independent.

 **********************************************************

"The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the large-scale,
commercial development of this invention."

--- Dr. Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist
UNISYS CORPORATION

 

"If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments
and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community
then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities
to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts."

--- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch
George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA

 

"You have opened an area in Astrophysics which may revolutionize
the magnetic energy problems which is now the most paramount problem
in future energy and space travel. I do believe with proper research funds,
the results would not only be a great financial boom to your financiers,
but would lead to developments that will be practical and
beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science."

--- Dr. E. L. Moragne, MORAGNE RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CO.
[Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first atomic bomb.]



Please let others know about these new videos!
Thanks!

NEWMAN ENERGY CORPORATION
http://www.josephnewman.com/
Joseph Nolfe, President & CEO NECorp.
(205) 835-9022



--============_-995615796==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 19 19:02:41 2008 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6K22aU6020870; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:02:36 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id m6K22a38020865; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:02:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:02:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: David Rupert Brown To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:02:32 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on USMAIL6/AM/LLY(Release 7.0.2FP2 HF253|September 10, 2007) at 07/19/2008 10:02:34 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25781 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Brown, David Rupert is out of the office. Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 464 I will be out of the office starting 07/18/2008 and will not return until 07/28/2008. I will respond to your message when I return. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Sep 28 11:59:01 2008 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m8SIwv2x025114; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:58:57 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id m8SIwrYe025098; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:58:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:58:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:58:46 -0500 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: "JNPCo." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-989494165==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25782 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 465 --============_-989494165==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" NEW VIDEO JUST RELEASED! Dr. Al Swimmer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of a major university endorses Joseph Newman's Energy Machine! See the newest 27-minute video entitled "The Big Eureka" at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4046889525089046946&hl=en ******************* THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN An Invention Whose Time Has Come! Nikola Tesla once wrote: "The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is, will chronicle an event probably greater than any other recorded in the human race." * IMAGINE a civilization with an access to virtually unlimited energy . . . * IMAGINE an energy source that is abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly . . . * IMAGINE a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear . . . * IMAGINE an electromagnetic Motor which runs cool and harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in complete accord with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics . . . * IMAGINE such a Motor powering the world --- every automobile, appliance, home, farm, factory, ship, and plane, at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy . . . * IMAGINE such a Motor enabling us to someday reach the stars --- safely and inexpensively . . . Such a technology now exists: *********************************** THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN *********************************** The A & E (Arts & Entertainment) Network aired a national Special entitled "Conspiracies" which featured the revolutionary technology of Joseph Newman. Joseph Newman has been featured on the CBS Evening News, The Tonight Show, ABC/CNN National News, LIFE Magazine, PBS's "All Things Considered," in thousands of newspapers/ magazines across the world, and on hundreds of radio talk shows presenting his revolutionary technology. Better than 30 physicists, nuclear engineers, electrical engineers, and electrical technicians have signed Affidavits attesting to the validity of Joseph Newman's revolutionary invention: an electromagnetic Motor/Generator that could supply every America's home, farm, business, automobile, and appliance with electrical power at a fraction of the present cost and enable you to become energy independent. ********************************************************** "The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the large-scale, commercial development of this invention." --- Dr. Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist UNISYS CORPORATION "If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts." --- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA "You have opened an area in Astrophysics which may revolutionize the magnetic energy problems which is now the most paramount problem in future energy and space travel. I do believe with proper research funds, the results would not only be a great financial boom to your financiers, but would lead to developments that will be practical and beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science." --- Dr. E. L. Moragne, MORAGNE RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CO. [Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first atomic bomb.] Please let others know about these new videos! Thanks! NEWMAN ENERGY CORPORATION http://www.josephnewman.com/ For important information about the energy machine technology including TV interviews/reports with experts who have endorsed the technology: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en Joseph Nolfe, President, NECorp. (205) 835-9022 --============_-989494165==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" ***Dr. Al Swimmer Endorses Joseph Newman's Energy Machine!
NEW VIDEO JUST RELEASED!

Dr. Al Swimmer, Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus
of a major university
endorses
Joseph Newman's Energy Machine!

See the newest 27-minute video entitled

"The Big Eureka"

at:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4046889525089046946&hl=en



*******************


THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN

An Invention Whose Time Has Come!

Nikola Tesla once wrote:

"The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is,
 will chronicle an event probably greater than any other
 recorded in the human race."

* IMAGINE a civilization with an access to virtually
 unlimited energy . . .

* IMAGINE an energy source that is abundant, inexpensive,
 and environmentally-friendly . . .

* IMAGINE a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas,
 coal, and nuclear . . .

* IMAGINE an electromagnetic Motor which runs cool and
 harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in
 complete accord with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics . . .

* IMAGINE such a Motor powering the world --- every
 automobile, appliance, home, farm, factory, ship, and
 plane, at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy . . .

* IMAGINE such a Motor enabling us to someday reach the
 stars --- safely and inexpensively . . .

Such a technology now exists:

***********************************
THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN
 ***********************************

The A & E (Arts & Entertainment) Network aired a national Special entitled
"Conspiracies" which featured the revolutionary technology of Joseph Newman.

Joseph Newman has been featured on the CBS Evening News, The Tonight Show,
ABC/CNN National News, LIFE Magazine, PBS's "All Things Considered," in thousands of
newspapers/ magazines across the world, and on hundreds of radio talk shows
presenting his revolutionary technology.

Better than 30 physicists, nuclear engineers, electrical engineers, and electrical technicians
have signed Affidavits attesting to the validity of Joseph Newman's revolutionary invention:
an electromagnetic Motor/Generator that could supply every America's home, farm,
business, automobile, and appliance with electrical power at a fraction of the present cost
and enable you to become energy independent.

 **********************************************************

"The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the large-scale,
commercial development of this invention."

--- Dr. Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist
UNISYS CORPORATION

 

"If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments
and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community
then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities
to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts."

--- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch
George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA

 

"You have opened an area in Astrophysics which may revolutionize
the magnetic energy problems which is now the most paramount problem
in future energy and space travel. I do believe with proper research funds,
the results would not only be a great financial boom to your financiers,
but would lead to developments that will be practical and
beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science."

--- Dr. E. L. Moragne, MORAGNE RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CO.
[Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first atomic bomb.]



Please let others know about these new videos!
Thanks!

NEWMAN ENERGY CORPORATION
http://www.josephnewman.com/
For important information about the energy machine technology
including TV interviews/reports with experts who have endorsed the technology:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en
Joseph Nolfe, President, NECorp.
(205) 835-9022






--============_-989494165==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 06:34:39 2008 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9IDYcW2030847; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:34:38 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id m9IDYbeF030839; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:34:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:34:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:34:36 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 72.251.75.242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: BzXQKJ4ICXj6KesBHyt85GHVH0iU7-LSHMx4zeHKwspfgxqf3Zf69p8RXhjf a9icbvqevoG4Hg4uxlw2tzATHu5wGk3td4UDtQEkFqktr8TLvU3HTBO12lTp A2mWeLga3XcevymT0FupA4g@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25783 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Hyper Dimensional Physics Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 466 <=21DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC =22-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN=22>
Here's a patent application which relates to hyper dimensional = physics (you can download the PDF from this link):
 
Water Energy Generator - <a href=3D=22http://www.google.com/patents?id=3D7BKYAAAAEBAJ&dq=3DJohn+Qui= ncy+St.+Clair=22>http://www.google.com/patents?id=3D7BKYAAAAEBAJ&dq= =3DJohn+Quincy+St.+Clair</a>
 
The Inventor discusses his personal experiences and abilities as well as the considerable amount of math relating to the subject matter and the angle 19.5 degrees. The primary focus of the patent is a device for converting the hydrogen atoms in a drop of water into energy, through proton decay stimulated by some kind of energy from hyper = space.
 
The Inventor also has quite a few other patent applications relating = to hyper dimensional physics:
 
John Quincy St. Clair - <a href=3D=22http://www.google.com/patents?q=3DJohn+Quincy+St.+Clair&btnG= =3DSearch+Patents=22>http://www.google.com/patents?q=3DJohn+Quincy+St.+C= lair&btnG=3DSearch+Patents</a>
 
Jerry Volland
 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 6 11:27:10 2008 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB6JR56b026713; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:27:06 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id mB6JR53R026704; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:27:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:27:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:27:01 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: "JNPCo." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-983530871==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <00fAqB.A.ChG.JItOJB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25784 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: *******Comprehensive Video re the Energy Machine Technology Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 467 --============_-983530871==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The following is the videogoogle link for the 17-minute video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8837004260826102354 featuring endorsements by physicists, electrical engineers, and a representative of Ray-O-Vac Battery Corporation. "If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts." --- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA Please let others know about this video! Thanks! NEWMAN ENERGY CORPORATION http://www.josephnewman.com/ Joseph Nolfe, President, NECorp. (205) 835-9022 --============_-983530871==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" *******Comprehensive Video re the Energy Machine Technolog
The following is the videogoogle link for the 17-minute video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8837004260826102354

featuring endorsements by physicists, electrical engineers, and a representative of Ray-O-Vac Battery Corporation.


"If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments
and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community
then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities
to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts."

--- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch
George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA




Please let others know about this video!
Thanks!

NEWMAN ENERGY CORPORATION
http://www.josephnewman.com/
Joseph Nolfe, President, NECorp.
(205) 835-9022
--============_-983530871==_ma============-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 20 19:53:27 2009 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2L2rLg7028419; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:53:22 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id n2L2rL9f028414; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:53:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:53:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:53:49 -0800 Message-ID: <7A4570FE30C.000000A6jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 72.251.73.69 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: J2V6KCbjcdVNKfot4AsP9yw0jdTpGzrOTkv-XxSCEuKXfS4FB2YAkb6KVoLd uDIzjxcsPtcYr4aWTC4kiGslruX8NX6Y0cqttzRMk8xzhZ4sqQsIQojhbrFj Jr9Zj8AntTutKYNqWBDvlwg@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25785 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: MJ's Super Boiler Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 468 <=21DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC =22-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN=22> Hi MJ,

I've been thinking about your Super Boiler, and wondering if = it might work with HV, similar to the water arc explosion developed by = Peter Graneau.

As I remember your setup, you had AC going to a = diode, the output of which was connected to a thin stainless steel sheet = in the water bath.  It seems that you may have mentioned two = electrolytes, but all I can remember, I think, was KOH.  Then you had = a second SS sheet - perforated - acting as an unconnected intermediate = electrode.  After that, there was the output sheet, connected through = a light bulb filament back to ground.

Do you still have this = setup?  Do you think it will work with HV, and maybe is the effect = similar in some way to the Graneau effect?
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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 7 07:43:58 2009 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n47Eht99009651; Thu, 7 May 2009 07:43:55 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id n47EhsUI009646; Thu, 7 May 2009 07:43:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:43:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5fe0306c-7c78-497a-9f72-91eec1373dc3_" X-Originating-IP: [194.83.172.131] From: colin james To: Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:43:51 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2009 14:43:51.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D1C43B0:01C9CF22] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25786 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: A polite request Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 469 --_5fe0306c-7c78-497a-9f72-91eec1373dc3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello=2C =20 I have some knowledge of elctronics was a Technician in the 80's=2C I built= a Jewel Thief recently. Now I have a 12V lead acid and a 500W iinverter an= d rather than go the solar route to charge the battery=2C I want to build a= device/circuit that charges that bettery from a source other than the nati= onal grid or from the 2.3kVA petrol generator which I also have. I am rathe= r exhausted as I have spent 2 months now and e-mailed several inventors=2C = even the Kelly motor but there's always that little bit being held back. =20 May I please have a working=2C complete circuit=2C that a home builder=2C w= ith limited financial resources can build that works=2C and perhaps contact= with someone who has built it=2C please. =20 May I have an email back to this address=2C so I dont miss out oon the repl= y. =20 Good luck=2C =20 Colin James =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos =96 Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/= --_5fe0306c-7c78-497a-9f72-91eec1373dc3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello=2C
 =3B
I have some knowledge of elctronics was a Technician in the 80's=2C I built= a Jewel Thief recently. Now I have a 12V lead acid and a 500W iinverter an= d rather than go the solar route to charge the battery=2C I want to build a= device/circuit that charges that bettery from a source other than the nati= onal grid or from the 2.3kVA petrol =3Bgenerator which I also have.&nbs= p=3BI am rather exhausted as =3BI have spent 2 months now and e-mailed = several inventors=2C even the Kelly motor but there's always that little bi= t being held back.
 =3B
May I please have a working=2C complete circuit=2C that a home builder=2C w= ith limited financial resources =3Bcan build that works=2C and perhaps = contact with someone who has built it=2C please.
 =3B
May I have an email back to this address=2C so I dont miss out oon the repl= y.
 =3B
Good luck=2C
 =3B
Colin James
 =3B
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" Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. =20 " Download Now = --_5fe0306c-7c78-497a-9f72-91eec1373dc3_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 7 09:45:03 2009 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n47Girge008219; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:44:53 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id n47Giq31008212; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:44:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:44:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Nanook To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: A polite request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25787 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 470 A battery charger for a lead acid battery needn't be terribly complex, but exactly how complex depends on the application. Without specifying the source, what the input specifications are, AC/DC, voltage, whether it is a constant source or variable, etc, and how you intend to use it, whether or not there has to be overcharge protection, etc, it's difficult to specify. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Thu, 7 May 2009, colin james wrote: > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:43:51 +0100 > From: colin james > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [FG]: A polite request > Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:43:54 -0700 > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Hello, > > > > I have some knowledge of elctronics was a Technician in the 80's, I built a Jewel Thief recently. Now I have a 12V lead acid and a 500W iinverter and rather than go the solar route to charge the battery, I want to build a device/circuit that charges that bettery from a source other than the national grid or from the 2.3kVA petrol generator which I also have. I am rather exhausted as I have spent 2 months now and e-mailed several inventors, even the Kelly motor but there's always that little bit being held back. > > > > May I please have a working, complete circuit, that a home builder, with limited financial resources can build that works, and perhaps contact with someone who has built it, please. > > > > May I have an email back to this address, so I dont miss out oon the reply. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Colin James > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 7 11:32:04 2009 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n47IW0uj028234; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:32:00 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id n47IVwxa028223; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:31:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:31:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:32:55 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: A polite request To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: colin_james52@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 72.251.77.165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: kyRIpbkdGcQ0bPRm91sR1fP6Uahk3zz9aML0G2y2KlnVUSUCmUUmEy-8rJXc 4R8rA5MjLxIUegNfT3kSJPf7fIBDCnPb6Yg7fofvaXZ7beeKrh2aoNUn_QL5 6GVnxc3eoNvFafLE18iqH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25788 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 471 <=21DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC =22-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN=22>
 If you check out www.energeticforum.com you'll find a variety = of circuits in a number of threads under the category of Renewable Energy, = including:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3609-big-joule= -theif.html


-----Original = Message-----
From: colin_james52=40hotmail.com
Sent: = Thu, 7 May 2009 15:43:51 +0100
To: = freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
Subject: =5BFG=5D: A polite = request

Hello,
 
I have some knowledge of elctronics was a Technician in the 80's, I built = a Jewel Thief recently. Now I have a 12V lead acid and a 500W iinverter = and rather than go the solar route to charge the battery, I want to build = a device/circuit that charges that bettery from a source other than the = national grid or from the 2.3kVA petrol generator which I also = have. I am rather exhausted as I have spent 2 months now and = e-mailed several inventors, even the Kelly motor but there's always that = little bit being held back.
 
May I please have a working, complete circuit, that a home builder, with = limited financial resources can build that works, and perhaps contact = with someone who has built it, please.
 
May I have an email back to this address, so I dont miss out oon the = reply.
 
Good luck,
 
Colin James
 
 

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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 7 12:47:09 2009 Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n47JkoW6024000; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:46:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.12.10/Submit) id n47Jkk2A023985; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:46:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:46:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra7.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: A polite request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25789 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 472 On Thu, 7 May 2009, colin james wrote: > want to build a device/circuit that charges that bettery from a source > other than the national grid or from the 2.3kVA petrol generator which I > also have. You want a Free Energy device? There aren't any non-secret ones. There are many scams, though. And for all we know, every secret one is also a hoax or a scam. Several companies are selling plans, but those who build them have discovered that they don't work. Also, thousands of hobbyists are searching for the same thing as you (they hang out on Peswiki,etc.) Thousands of solar-energy hobbyists are wasting huge amounts of money when they could be building FE/OU devices instead of huge backyard wind turbines. Asking for plans to FE devices is basically the same as asking for the formula from making gold from clamshells, or asking for a map to a billion dollar uranium mine. If someone offers to sell you such a map... better hold on to your wallet. Who knows, maybe there's an elite private group who's sharing a genuine secret, and who are now powering their homes for free. Methertina might be real? But if they exist, how could they ever be sure that you and I are trustworthy enough to be given such a dangerous and valuable secret? (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 7 20:44:41 2009 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n483icKd012491; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:44:39 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id n483iclk012485; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:44:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:44:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_46af8160-ab95-4d4c-9a5e-e40e65354974_" X-Originating-IP: [75.84.127.30] From: M J Mitch Mitchell To: Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:44:38 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2009 03:44:38.0071 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FABEC70:01C9CF8F] Resent-Message-ID: <5qwy2C.A.8CD.mq6AKB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25790 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: polite request Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 473 --_46af8160-ab95-4d4c-9a5e-e40e65354974_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the easiest answer is for you to get a photovoltaic system. Not che= ap=2C but affordable Harbor Freight sells some as low as $30.00 Seize the day=2C live it like it were your last. Dwell not on the past=2C n= or fret about the future. Carry no grudges=2C as you get older it will seem= like the weight of the world has fallen on your shoulders=2C and you will = need the strength.=20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE goes with you.=20 http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutor= ial_Mobile1_052009= --_46af8160-ab95-4d4c-9a5e-e40e65354974_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the easiest answer is for you to get a photovoltaic system. Not che= ap=2C but affordable
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THE eskimo.com TEAM From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 16:33:02 2009 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nB30WtZQ029869; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:32:59 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id nB30WnFc029844; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:32:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:32:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=AnkG9iIZCf07bN6wwydLZsvni/5yoXBHgI8+pblTmvM=; b=nNxJTLubtMFWP/Zz4/Xd7hKxYej+nUXCv9TU2hvX1imhvnmxHrYMKgB4R3YJAevcX3 T4S7FztNn82dDOM3oiegG8ni1qvFzeO1QM+9H+eEQewsqe+48aVe0rVC/tsva1gEAZz6 vQhC1Bst2rXsa6J5RpYQERMkRsxVjKB05Ksww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=kOdTnQ2+6uXGLEodzqMJDN3cNewpOUidAHgMeQIBDEGKAnw5a6iIScK+aNCE5BxR7D jM25327HTCBX90kx5VakRIJkYRuwhKK0q2kK6CE82WZxk15B3/lUMWVScPW4393yxOdw dypSqkNyvjE/aBE9TbxP/lR0gFWA92g1mNBPk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:32:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Bob Paddock To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25798 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Almost have "Free Energy" with LTC3108 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 480 Been quiet here for far to long. Anyone doing anything interesting? Here is something new: While this is not the true "Free Energy" of ZPE that we seek, it is starting to get closer in the main stream field of Energy Harvesting. Linear Technology released their LTC3108 "Complete Energy Harvesting Power Management System", takes a 20mV input and gives a low duty cycle VOUT of 2.35V, 3.3V, 4.1V or 5V. http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp?navId=H0,C1,C1003,C1042,C1031,C1060,P90287 LTC3108 - Ultralow Voltage [20mv] Step-Up Converter and Power Manager - Selectable VOUT of 2.35V, 3.3V, 4.1V or 5V - LDO: 2.2V at 3mA . Video: http://www.linear.com/designtools/video/product_modules/LTC3108/index.html -- http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 18:39:19 2009 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nB32d8gJ014359; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:39:08 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id nB32d7PL014350; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:39:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:39:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:37:43 -0800 Message-ID: <195AB8E5844.000006FDjerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Almost have "Free Energy" with LTC3108 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 174.26.77.231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: VZeOnlX8acTFH_erPrPiYyi2JzNLfToQ03M1jXPqGqLsaD_bvwpoMotw-7ry QC4JdEsNNqXMLR-l6fqQx9H5AuyT3NdF1TNAuvWJE4GjI7sNg62_DTqFWb8O SACLkwK1vujyUheTh_cca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25799 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 481 While the LTC3108 looks good for various applications, I'm still looking = for FREE energy. Here's an article on ZPE approaches: http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2009/02/06/hydrinos-= and-zero-point-energy-devices-get-more-real/ As far as my work, I have a partner in Canada now who says (regarding my = Levitation Machine): =22It is projects such as InterPlanetary Express = which I feel we should assist, so that future generations may have a = better understanding of the grandeur of the Cosmic Theatre, which = presently goes unnoticed. Your project has vision, and this is why it has = to succeed=22. He has =22very good connectings with various Global Space = Agencies (NASA, ESA, CSA, JPL) and associated government agencies and = Space Science Nodes (Planetary Data System, USGS Astrogeology Research = Program), etc.=22 I also have a contact in England who's working with desk top fusion. His = latest results, which came in today, show he's getting 140W output with = 80W input. He's using a very ingenious Tesla coil which he says is a = State Secret, although I have a picture. If this doesn't pan out as a = power source for the Lift Unit, I've got a very good lead on a system = which uses activated Boron. I'm also curious what everyone else is doing. Jerry Volland www.thespaceoffice.com www.inertiadyne.com =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: bob.paddock=40gmail.com > Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:32:47 -0500 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: =5BFG=5D: Almost have =22Free Energy=22 with LTC3108 >=20 > Been quiet here for far to long. Anyone doing anything interesting? > Here is something new: >=20 > While this is not the true =22Free Energy=22 of ZPE that we seek, it is > starting to get closer > in the main stream field of Energy Harvesting. >=20 > Linear Technology released their LTC3108 =22Complete Energy Harvesting > Power Management System=22, > takes a 20mV input and gives a low duty cycle VOUT of 2.35V, 3.3V, 4.1V > or 5V. >=20 > = http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp?navId=3DH0,C1,C1003,C1042,C1031,= C1060,P90287 >=20 > LTC3108 - Ultralow Voltage =5B20mv=5D Step-Up Converter and Power Manager > - Selectable VOUT of 2.35V, 3.3V, 4.1V or 5V > - LDO: 2.2V at 3mA > . > Video: > http://www.linear.com/designtools/video/product_modules/LTC3108/index.html >=20 >=20 > -- > http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ > http://www.softwaresafety.net/ > http://www.designer-iii.com/ > http://www.unusualresearch.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 21:21:20 2009 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nB35LGIt013922; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:21:16 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id nB35LE4K013913; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:21:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:21:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1259817673; bh=x85p10ypOQBb4SgsrID3jwHvXxkDq2Ia8lhrFCLYXCY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XFCZr6DR7B49SiukYNZThhjBclfZ3Ah3MoortELhw0JRu8KfDyW0txg71UOFCYBy0G3NVq9//OSaK7WU/F0kd7E5TH5Nry8T16CNgJP31YvzSa+YX/E8RG6+fZfWl+dxjoT/Dh2bidI/XL49rJ5alWSBcFdLhqIrWRKWl462yMg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xuVrEoffdSMJv4RF3AnM5Sqj51MdLtSxYodmcwXyDD/ey+bVzw/CS4vm+APHJO/czv+vB9O6Wy08LoNvSK/4tN6p8mj50Dn086xfOGrmGrqsldxGGMBV2I0Czqi1O5ADeJXUxpPY5fWNIesxfNhAy8ZlWBBig5aGj8I3cPebCGA=; Message-ID: <954835.53385.qm@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GsJa5E4VM1ljnRFgbcVYkZZhNdkZxdELSZmjgTg_pmo4YDEIxDSrhNd0CguW2WZrJj_.oA.KZsX9musQ8Bl52DMi4yxSV.7FV7xhOalNeXddLvBlz8HZSDTW7sePHUwfNZDKUETtALSIyxN.93VMgYBzDO7WK6lAC9gfakEujKhfKkbCHtJa6CcKU8KSt_4POFHVDbXCOU0jvm7ldfRDqCpkPjXP4IxMmBTHD74Q949TJq_88OIogfDVNrJGFF_YyXaXBTrSoOeEcIVt3k4kUZ.6rW8b6Ff_hdH4s.NEhG1dBpfP8ytAuYMTbYP1QB_y46dR8bSpABMfeO1K9Chi9DP8zB6L90RvcNhjSbWyUlusC9J_D1.IF3Jd5gFxGbyvkDpU1UOSiB.gTSbnopGM39QhCfKyLpXLIXSvBZ7.a24Qzf_fyISAsV9hVxpTvY4ySrl1mrkwY4y9ONFAPR_Cdf3V187A._nXbP9r7R7.fK5cqc4X7L.ps9sHm7uyv2T9K7UsdYla0kenN7sKDvWsBRqdXLu14uCe X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:21:13 -0800 (PST) From: Harvey Norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <195AB8E5844.000006FDjerryvolland@inbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25800 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Harvich You Tube Videos Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 482 Toroidal RF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLEBH04Fi3Q Ferrite Toroid Plasma Arc Transformer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esq_PAa7MoM. Just to keep things on the quackery level heres another one... Krypton Bulb Gout Treatment/ Xenon Bulb Counterpart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W86ontMJE5g (Jack Zuponcic Films this one) > I don't think the TCML moderators liked this one, It shows > a 40 volt 60 hz signal procurred from a strange 5 wind > primary design placed around the closed laptop that is > simply keeping the battery charged. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRmfHfCYPAc > Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 06:45:12 2009 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nB3Ej2XP030498; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:45:06 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id nB3Ej0RR030323; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:45:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:45:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f To: Cc: Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:45:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Steven Dufresne" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_0L2DL4S1YCQR42OAQU2D" Message-Id: <20091203094546.SM12448@[199.246.24.129]> X-Declude-Sender: stevend@rimstar.org [199.246.24.129] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dcf1902100000a6cc.smd X-Declude-RefID: X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 4.6.35 "http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm" X-Declude-Scan: Outgoing Score [0] at 09:45:54 on 03 Dec 2009 X-Declude-Tests: Whitelisted X-Country-Chain: X-Declude-Code: 0 X-Declude-Recipcount: 1 Organization: Declude, Inc. X-Helo: X-RevDNS: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25801 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: [FG]: Almost have "Free Energy" with LTC3108 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 483 --------------Boundary-00=_0L2DL4S1YCQR42OAQU2D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today I'm making a new Cockcroft-Walton voltage multiplier board for one of my power supplies. It currently puts out HV+ relative to ground and I want it to put out HV- relative to ground instead. This is for my Hyde generator attempt: http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/hyde_generator/index.htm It's basically a big capacitor with rotors and stators in between the plates. The last time I was working on it I used HV+ on one plate and ground potential for the other plate. But I recently realized that since the rotor and stator and everything else that the generator was made of was also at ground potential, that the rotor wasn't doing much. So instead of having that plate=20 at ground potential, I'm going to have it at around -1 to -2kV relative=20 to ground. I have another power supply for the HV+ side. I have to make new rotors too, so testing won't be right away. -Steve http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org -----Original Message----- From: bob.paddock=40gmail.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:32:47 -0500 To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com Subject: =5BFG=5D: Almost have =22Free Energy=22 with LTC3108 Been quiet here for far to long. Anyone doing anything interesting? Here is something new: While this is not the true =22Free Energy=22 of ZPE that we seek, it is starting to get closer in the main stream field of Energy Harvesting. Linear Technology released their LTC3108 =22Complete Energy Harvesting Power Management System=22, takes a 20mV input and gives a low duty cycle VOUT of 2.35V, 3.3V, 4.1V or 5V. http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp?navId=3DH0,C1,C1003,C1042,C1031,= C1060,P90287 LTC3108 - Ultralow Voltage =5B20mv=5D Step-Up Converter and Power Manager - Selectable VOUT of 2.35V, 3.3V, 4.1V or 5V - LDO: 2.2V at 3mA . Video: http://www.linear.com/designtools/video/product_modules/LTC3108/index.html -- http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ --------------Boundary-00=_0L2DL4S1YCQR42OAQU2D-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 21:25:42 2009 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nBT5PcmW026112; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:25:38 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id nBT5PSrX025853; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:25:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:25:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vCV9uXX60GcaePpqESkA:9 a=qtbT0t_MUDGpPyltceOY5f23AbgA:4 Message-ID: <4B39224A.6020408@charter.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:25:30 -0600 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25802 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Address change Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 484 Folks: I need to change my address and I no longer have the original instructions. Does anyone know how to add / subtract addresses from this list? Thanks! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 07:28:28 2009 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nBTFSLdb029640; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:28:21 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id nBTFSGji029597; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:28:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:28:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f To: Cc: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:28:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Steven Dufresne" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_30JQPFF5ODJ0VLHR0NKS" Message-Id: <200912291028320.SM07664@[199.246.24.129]> X-Declude-Sender: stevend@rimstar.org [199.246.24.129] X-Declude-Spoolname: D200001bc0000720b.smd X-Declude-RefID: X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 4.6.35 "http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm" X-Declude-Scan: Outgoing Score [0] at 10:28:03 on 29 Dec 2009 X-Declude-Tests: Whitelisted X-Country-Chain: X-Declude-Code: 0 X-Declude-Recipcount: 1 Organization: Declude, Inc. X-Helo: X-RevDNS: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25803 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: [FG]: Address change Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 485 --------------Boundary-00=_30JQPFF5ODJ0VLHR0NKS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_30JQEAMTVXUSO4AA9F38" --------------Boundary-00=_30JQEAMTVXUSO4AA9F38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Charles, Look at: =C2=A0http://www.eskimo.com/=7Ebilb/freenrgl/fsub.html -Stevehttp://rimstar.org=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://wsminfo.org -----Original Message----- From: =22Charles Ford=22 Sent 12/28/2009 4:25:30 PM To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com Subject: =5BFG=5D: Address changeFolks: I need to change my address and I no longer have the original instructions. Does anyone know how to add / subtract addresses from this list? Thanks=21= --------------Boundary-00=_30JQEAMTVXUSO4AA9F38 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Charles,
Look at:
 http://www.eskimo.com/=7Ebilb/freenrgl/fsub.html
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

-----Original Message-----
From: =22Charles Ford=22 <charlieford1=40charter.net>
Sent 12/28/2009 4:25:30 PM
To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
Subject: =5BFG=5D: Address change

Folks:
I need to change my address and I no longer have the original
instructions. Does anyone know how to add / subtract addresses from this
list?
Thanks=21
--------------Boundary-00=_30JQEAMTVXUSO4AA9F38-- --------------Boundary-00=_30JQPFF5ODJ0VLHR0NKS-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 4 12:41:02 2010 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o34JeudE024010; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 12:40:57 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id o34JepQQ023993; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 12:40:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 12:40:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:39:09 -0800 Message-ID: <20292E4538E.0000005Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 174.17.82.126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: FlyFIJ8x9nRH63ykIdX2baAL5tIY0InU7QfL10KHK0YcehLmh30-NSrHoJxz Pi6CyHSCDhbKcD7vFIOOzmi-tKhzgVeg-DEqjSjfkZNhBK7A87kO2OhLAf48 qGa9awq_FcfMC-0X_TGXD Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25804 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 486 <=21DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC =22-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN=22> Hi Everyone,

Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. = I've just run across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. = Kouropoulos' paper =22Singular Translations and Their Reaction=22 I found = this concept:

=22We did not distinguish between the longitudinal = and the transverse gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic = fields. In electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their = electric and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is = initially provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the = transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components. = Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are = confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that they = are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two charges. = =22

Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium = with one refractive index, through a second medium with a different = refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like what = might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super = Boiler.

I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell = was due to longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could = be made which would instantly charge a car battery?
From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 5 19:40:53 2010 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o362eooX030186; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:40:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id o362c2ek028615; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:38:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:38:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nYbISnGZzwQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=JadYs4A8zGYmYzGO6JcA:9 a=AHS8D0UvIPMvQ7q8-7oA:7 a=2_bLQmiJ9G5uMXE_F1Io-Kvuj1wA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Message-ID: <4BBA9E82.6090805@charter.net> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? References: <20292E4538E.0000005Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> In-Reply-To: <20292E4538E.0000005Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25805 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 487 Hi Jerry (&group) Still a bit lost on the super boiler. but I can offer some history on the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find interesting. In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. You had to periodically add distilled water because there where no catalytic converters to recover the H2. Also the battery plates where dry-polarized so the battery was already charged when you added the acid. I believe the dry process was a spray-on coating. The battery plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the capacity. I believe that was a favorable side effect of the coating. I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy cost of the coating was more then the energy provided by the completed cell. Cheers Charlie Ford Jerry Volland wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just run > across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. > Kouropoulos' paper "Singular Translations and Their Reaction" I found > this concept: > > "We did not distinguish between the longitudinal and the transverse > gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In > electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their electric > and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is initially > provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the > transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components. > Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are > confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that > they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two > charges. " > > Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium with > one refractive index, through a second medium with a different > refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like what > might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super Boiler. > > I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due to > longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could be made > which would instantly charge a car battery? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 5 20:14:50 2010 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o363EghG015559; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:14:42 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id o363Ef63015541; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:14:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:14:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:13:05 -0800 Message-ID: <30B2764C7E2.0000035Djerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <4BBA9E82.6090805@charter.net> References: <20292e4538e.0000005fjerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 174.17.82.126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: 3GNWggd771Y0Uu5WP5nXNeOLwJR7OjKK0aDfI0oeYA9C2Je--53_2WgzzQr5 zAEv2CFCmKf5RZqUr-i-IMmT7eoImHugXxaScQbBGpmrjBmHWjngC75C2abY zg4fh__7NE88qUvuXnqfY Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25806 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 488 Hi Charlie, This is interesting. It would seem logical that the dry spray on coating = would require more energy than produced. So you went to Devry. That's about five miles from my house. With Mike's cell, the boiling was instantaneous. I figured there must = have been a longitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte. This = type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to impact a nearby battery. > -----Original Message----- > From: charlieford1=40charter.net > Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler? >=20 > Hi Jerry (&group) >=20 > Still a bit lost on the super boiler. but I can offer some history on > the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find interesting. >=20 > In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. You had to > periodically add distilled water because there where no catalytic > converters to recover the H2. Also the battery plates where > dry-polarized so the battery was already charged when you added the > acid. I believe the dry process was a spray-on coating. The battery > plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the > capacity. I believe that was a favorable side effect of the coating. >=20 > I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy cost > of the coating was more then the energy provided by the completed cell. >=20 > Cheers > Charlie Ford >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jerry Volland wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >>=20 >> Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just run >> across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. >> Kouropoulos' paper =22Singular Translations and Their Reaction=22 I found >> this concept: >>=20 >> =22We did not distinguish between the longitudinal and the transverse >> gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In >> electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their electric >> and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is initially >> provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the >> transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components. >> Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are >> confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that >> they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two >> charges. =22 >>=20 >> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium with >> one refractive index, through a second medium with a different >> refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like what >> might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super >> Boiler. >>=20 >> I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due to >> longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could be made >> which would instantly charge a car battery? ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features=21 Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 6 20:15:29 2010 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o373FOMA002653; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 20:15:25 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id o373FMUi002612; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 20:15:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 20:15:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nYbISnGZzwQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=yTIk75XiAAAA:8 a=M3mb7mjCAAAA:8 a=o7Ap6jyeNFR4D0V4hEAA:9 a=c0bYY3w9u0wUdG8Ue5QA:7 a=-7VN-oiuG9kZCz09rP338u2ikuIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=8PGfyiCYVrkA:10 Message-ID: <4BBBF8BC.6080604@charter.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:15:08 -0500 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? References: <20292e4538e.0000005fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <30B2764C7E2.0000035Djerryvolland@inbox.com> In-Reply-To: <30B2764C7E2.0000035Djerryvolland@inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25807 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 489 Hmm.. When I went to DeVry Phoenix they where located at 25st near Camelback. (1978-1981) Now I understand they are North West, like 19th Avenue and Bethany. That was a long long time ago. Anyway You might look at what happens when you put a third (center) plate in a capacitor. Jerry Volland wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > This is interesting. It would seem logical that the dry spray on coating would require more energy than produced. > > So you went to Devry. That's about five miles from my house. > > With Mike's cell, the boiling was instantaneous. I figured there must have been a longitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte. This type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to impact a nearby battery. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: charlieford1@charter.net >> Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500 >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? >> >> Hi Jerry (&group) >> >> Still a bit lost on the super boiler. but I can offer some history on >> the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find interesting. >> >> In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. You had to >> periodically add distilled water because there where no catalytic >> converters to recover the H2. Also the battery plates where >> dry-polarized so the battery was already charged when you added the >> acid. I believe the dry process was a spray-on coating. The battery >> plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the >> capacity. I believe that was a favorable side effect of the coating. >> >> I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy cost >> of the coating was more then the energy provided by the completed cell. >> >> Cheers >> Charlie Ford >> >> >> >> Jerry Volland wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just run >>> across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. >>> Kouropoulos' paper "Singular Translations and Their Reaction" I found >>> this concept: >>> >>> "We did not distinguish between the longitudinal and the transverse >>> gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In >>> electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their electric >>> and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is initially >>> provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the >>> transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components. >>> Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are >>> confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that >>> they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two >>> charges. " >>> >>> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium with >>> one refractive index, through a second medium with a different >>> refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like what >>> might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super >>> Boiler. >>> >>> I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due to >>> longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could be made >>> which would instantly charge a car battery? >>> > > ____________________________________________________________ > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 7 07:41:14 2010 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o37EfAdt027667; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:41:10 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id o37Ef7ce027490; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:41:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:41:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:39:18 -0800 Message-ID: <4342EF783A8.00000613jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <4BBBF8BC.6080604@charter.net> References: <20292e4538e.0000005fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <30b2764c7e2.0000035djerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 174.17.82.126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: Tjzsr7vy7My1-BByWiazfi-uDF43P19xKgAyethIUyIymwG19g5nA7ha8xiD uvJYMhnQf-kK1fBlL8HRxoxrXXWWxP6xvizoT4TTDdTu_EsWx2BPICbBa4EV s04sfP-TIp2C-Kp6L4fT1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25808 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 490 Devry moved to 23 Avenue and Dunlap. Thinking about a third plate in a capacitor, it looks like a different = charge on each side of the plate. But I doubt you could discharge one = side of the center plate to the other. Still, it reminds me of the = intermediate electrode in a UFO's top ball - the cylinder between the = central rod and the sphere itself. I like this one because the discharge = looks longitudinal. I wonder if there are dielectric spokes along the = cylinder's midriff, touching the inside of the shpere? I recently found = out there is such a thing as evanescent electrons. > -----Original Message----- > From: charlieford1=40charter.net > Sent: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:15:08 -0500 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler? >=20 > Hmm.. When I went to DeVry Phoenix they where located at 25st near > Camelback. (1978-1981) Now I understand they are North West, like 19th > Avenue and Bethany. That was a long long time ago. >=20 > Anyway >=20 > You might look at what happens when you put a third (center) plate in a > capacitor. >=20 >=20 > Jerry Volland wrote: >> Hi Charlie, >>=20 >> This is interesting. It would seem logical that the dry spray on >> coating would require more energy than produced. >>=20 >> So you went to Devry. That's about five miles from my house. >>=20 >> With Mike's cell, the boiling was instantaneous. I figured there must >> have been a longitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte. This >> type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to impact a nearby >> battery. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: charlieford1=40charter.net >>> Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500 >>> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >>> Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler? >>>=20 >>> Hi Jerry (&group) >>>=20 >>> Still a bit lost on the super boiler. but I can offer some history on >>> the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find interesting. >>>=20 >>> In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. You had to >>> periodically add distilled water because there where no catalytic >>> converters to recover the H2. Also the battery plates where >>> dry-polarized so the battery was already charged when you added the >>> acid. I believe the dry process was a spray-on coating. The battery >>> plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the >>> capacity. I believe that was a favorable side effect of the coating. >>>=20 >>> I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy cost >>> of the coating was more then the energy provided by the completed cell. >>>=20 >>> Cheers >>> Charlie Ford >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Jerry Volland wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>=20 >>>> Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just run >>>> across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. >>>> Kouropoulos' paper =22Singular Translations and Their Reaction=22 I = found >>>> this concept: >>>>=20 >>>> =22We did not distinguish between the longitudinal and the transverse >>>> gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In >>>> electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their electric >>>> and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is initially >>>> provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the >>>> transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components. >>>> Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are >>>> confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that >>>> they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two >>>> charges. =22 >>>>=20 >>>> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium with >>>> one refractive index, through a second medium with a different >>>> refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like what >>>> might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super >>>> Boiler. >>>>=20 >>>> I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due to >>>> longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could be made >>>> which would instantly charge a car battery? >>>>=20 >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ >> GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features=21 >> Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more=21 >>=20 >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop=21 Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 8 08:39:43 2010 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o38FdVVQ022656; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:39:31 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id o38FdJLp022480; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:39:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:39:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netzero.net; s=alpha; t=1270741158; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=QNokTpbAEDQLivEuHOzBXJqoCDGTuMnydpZ/Frn2w3h6SCB89a/LfdaVfOIEVklJt yCGppKJDDzrl0L4qH/vxGof4F9Oj5+pf+MUgV4v02spXl4mDhWI5asMr0xwYBtpulj 6WNKtsCrSYiEuwlX4f5VHMqRiNta4R11MfFn2zXc= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 8bvo/J9Yc9sSRV5it+6z7p3UKwQShvvV53xBcLL7g9wi3fWBOEjYiA== X-Originating-IP: [70.105.110.45] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "dclmt@netzero.net" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:38:44 GMT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100408.103844.26470.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J1c3d.4ea4S.3d0bM" X-UNTD-BodySize: 12479 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2231833614 X-MAIL-INFO:54f9a54c492cb849853d2ced81e845656d85e91925088d75e9216dbc1900b1212958dcd9a9d83861d8c9b538594829057c9dc999ed2cb9a86899bc9de8ed3da9ddbc X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|dclmt@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25809 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 491 ----__JWM__J1c3d.4ea4S.3d0bM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hoi group! The third middle plate would divide the charge in half and electrolize o= n both sides... standard voltage divider rules. To that end several plat= es dividing the charge applied by outside uninvolved plates at a charge = several times greater than that required by a pair of plates should elec= trolize the water without dissipating the current in the battery applyin= g the charge. The current in the cell would all come from the water, the= battery only supplying the force of voltage, inverted and rectified to= proper operating value. ~Dan Chadwick Charlie-I got to that DeVry campus apparently the year you left! = ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:39:18 -0800 Devry moved to 23 Avenue and Dunlap. Thinking about a third plate in a capacitor, it looks like a different c= harge on each side of the plate. But I doubt you could discharge one si= de of the center plate to the other. Still, it reminds me of the interm= ediate electrode in a UFO's top ball - the cylinder between the central = rod and the sphere itself. I like this one because the discharge looks = longitudinal. I wonder if there are dielectric spokes along the cylinde= r's midriff, touching the inside of the shpere? I recently found out th= ere is such a thing as evanescent electrons. > -----Original Message----- > From: charlieford1@charter.net > Sent: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:15:08 -0500 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? > = > Hmm.. When I went to DeVry Phoenix they where located at 25st near > Camelback. (1978-1981) Now I understand they are North West, like 19th= > Avenue and Bethany. That was a long long time ago. > = > Anyway > = > You might look at what happens when you put a third (center) plate in = a > capacitor. > = > = > Jerry Volland wrote: >> Hi Charlie, >> = >> This is interesting. It would seem logical that the dry spray on >> coating would require more energy than produced. >> = >> So you went to Devry. That's about five miles from my house. >> = >> With Mike's cell, the boiling was instantaneous. I figured there mus= t >> have been a longitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte. T= his >> type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to impact a nearby >> battery. >> = >> = >> = >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: charlieford1@charter.net >>> Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500 >>> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>> Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? >>> = >>> Hi Jerry (&group) >>> = >>> Still a bit lost on the super boiler. but I can offer some history = on >>> the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find interesti= ng. >>> = >>> In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. You had to >>> periodically add distilled water because there where no catalytic >>> converters to recover the H2. Also the battery plates where >>> dry-polarized so the battery was already charged when you added the >>> acid. I believe the dry process was a spray-on coating. The battery= >>> plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the >>> capacity. I believe that was a favorable side effect of the coating= . >>> = >>> I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy co= st >>> of the coating was more then the energy provided by the completed ce= ll. >>> = >>> Cheers >>> Charlie Ford >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> Jerry Volland wrote: >>> = >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> = >>>> Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just ru= n >>>> across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. >>>> Kouropoulos' paper "Singular Translations and Their Reaction" I fou= nd >>>> this concept: >>>> = >>>> "We did not distinguish between the longitudinal and the transverse= >>>> gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In >>>> electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their electr= ic >>>> and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is initially= >>>> provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the >>>> transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components.= >>>> Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are >>>> confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that= >>>> they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two= >>>> charges. " >>>> = >>>> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium wit= h >>>> one refractive index, through a second medium with a different >>>> refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like w= hat >>>> might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super >>>> Boiler. >>>> = >>>> I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due= to >>>> longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could be mad= e >>>> which would instantly charge a car battery? >>>> = >> = >> ____________________________________________________________ >> GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool feature= s! >> Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! >> = >> = >> ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner Is! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bbdf89d37b0316f96cst02duc ----__JWM__J1c3d.4ea4S.3d0bM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

Hoi group!

The third middle plate would divide the charge in half and electroliz= e on both sides... standard voltage divider rules. To that end several p= lates dividing the charge applied by outside uninvolved plates at a char= ge several times greater than that required by a pair of plates should e= lectrolize the water without dissipating the current in the battery appl= ying the charge. The current in the cell would all come from the water, = the battery only supplying the force of voltage,  inverted and rect= ified to proper operating value.

~Dan Chadwick
Charlie-I got to that DeVry campus apparently the ye= ar you left!

 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jerry Volland <= ;jerryvolland@inbox.com>
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: = [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler?
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:39:18 -0800
Devry moved to 23 Avenue and Dunlap.

Thinking about a third= plate in a capacitor, it looks like a different charge on each side of = the plate.  But I doubt you could discharge one side of the center = plate to the other.  Still, it reminds me of the intermediate elect= rode in a UFO's top ball - the cylinder between the central rod and the = sphere itself.  I like this one because the discharge looks longitu= dinal.  I wonder if there are dielectric spokes along the cylinder'= s midriff, touching the inside of the shpere?  I recently found out= there is such a thing as evanescent electrons.


> -----Ori= ginal Message-----
> From: charlieford1@charter.net
> Sent: = Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:15:08 -0500
> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
>= Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler?
>
> Hmm.. &nbs= p;When I went to DeVry Phoenix they where located at 25st near
> C= amelback. (1978-1981) Now I understand they are North West, like 19th> Avenue and Bethany.   That was a long long time ago.
= >
> Anyway
>
> You might look at what happens whe= n you put a third (center) plate in a
> capacitor.
>
>= ;
> Jerry Volland wrote:
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
= >> This is interesting.  It would seem logical that the dry s= pray on
>> coating would require more energy than produced.
= >>
>> So you went to Devry.  That's about five mile= s from my house.
>>
>> With Mike's cell, the boiling = was instantaneous.  I figured there must
>> have been a lo= ngitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte.  This
>&= gt; type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to impact a nearby<= BR>>> battery.
>>
>>
>>
>>&= gt; -----Original Message-----
>>> From: charlieford1@charte= r.net
>>> Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500
>>&= gt; To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
>>> Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanesce= nt Super Boiler?
>>>
>>> Hi Jerry (&group)<= BR>>>>
>>> Still a bit lost on the super boiler. &= nbsp;but I can offer some history on
>>> the manufacturer of= led-acid batteries that you might find interesting.
>>> >>> In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. &n= bsp;You had to
>>> periodically add distilled water because = there where no catalytic
>>> converters to recover the H2. &= nbsp;Also the battery plates where
>>> dry-polarized so the = battery was already charged when you added the
>>> acid. I b= elieve the dry process was a spray-on coating.  The battery
>= >> plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the<= BR>>>> capacity.  I believe that was a favorable side effe= ct of the coating.
>>>
>>> I remember wondering= back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy cost
>>> of th= e coating was more then the energy provided by the completed cell.
&g= t;>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Charlie Ford
>&= gt;>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry Volland= wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>= ;>
>>>> Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time= to time. I've just run
>>>> across something which may c= orrelate. While rereading C.P.
>>>> Kouropoulos' paper "S= ingular Translations and Their Reaction" I found
>>>> thi= s concept:
>>>>
>>>> "We did not distingu= ish between the longitudinal and the transverse
>>>> grav= itational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In
>>>&= gt; electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their electri= c
>>>> and magnetic components regenerate one another. En= ergy is initially
>>>> provided to the space, which in tu= rn keeps on propagating the
>>>> transverse waves, with b= oth their advanced and retarded components.
>>>> Because = this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are
>>&g= t;> confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering th= at
>>>> they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual p= hotons between two
>>>> charges. "
>>>> >>>> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes fro= m a medium with
>>>> one refractive index, through a seco= nd medium with a different
>>>> refractive index, then ba= ck to the first medium. This sounds like what
>>>> might = be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super
>>= >> Boiler.
>>>>
>>>> I've always th= ought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due to
>>>= > longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could be mad= e
>>>> which would instantly charge a car battery?
>= ;>>>
>>
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From: leaking pen To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25810 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 492 Woot! we have some zonies amongst us! I feel less alone. And they are about as far west, but at Dunlap now. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Charles Ford wro= te: > Hmm.. =A0When I went to DeVry Phoenix they where located at 25st near > Camelback. (1978-1981) Now I understand they are North West, like 19th > Avenue and Bethany. =A0 That was a long long time ago. > > Anyway > > You might look at what happens when you put a third (center) plate in a > capacitor. > > > Jerry Volland wrote: >> >> Hi Charlie, >> >> This is interesting. =A0It would seem logical that the dry spray on coat= ing >> would require more energy than produced. >> >> So you went to Devry. =A0That's about five miles from my house. >> >> With Mike's cell, the boiling was instantaneous. =A0I figured there must >> have been a longitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte. =A0Th= is >> type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to impact a nearby batt= ery. >> >> >> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: charlieford1@charter.net >>> Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500 >>> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>> Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? >>> >>> Hi Jerry (&group) >>> >>> Still a bit lost on the super boiler. =A0but I can offer some history o= n >>> the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find interesting. >>> >>> In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. =A0You had to >>> periodically add distilled water because there where no catalytic >>> converters to recover the H2. =A0Also the battery plates where >>> dry-polarized so the battery was already charged when you added the >>> acid. I believe the dry process was a spray-on coating. =A0The battery >>> plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the >>> capacity. =A0I believe that was a favorable side effect of the coating. >>> >>> I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy cost >>> of the coating was more then the energy provided by the completed cell. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Charlie Ford >>> >>> >>> >>> Jerry Volland wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just run >>>> across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. >>>> Kouropoulos' paper "Singular Translations and Their Reaction" I found >>>> this concept: >>>> >>>> "We did not distinguish between the longitudinal and the transverse >>>> gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In >>>> electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their electric >>>> and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is initially >>>> provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the >>>> transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components. >>>> Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are >>>> confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that >>>> they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two >>>> charges. " >>>> >>>> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium with >>>> one refractive index, through a second medium with a different >>>> refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like what >>>> might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super >>>> Boiler. >>>> >>>> I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due to >>>> longitudinal waves. 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To: = freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
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Hoi group=21

The third middle plate would divide the charge in half and electrolize = on both sides... standard voltage divider rules. To that end several = plates dividing the charge applied by outside uninvolved plates at a = charge several times greater than that required by a pair of plates should = electrolize the water without dissipating the current in the battery = applying the charge. The current in the cell would all come from the = water, the battery only supplying the force of voltage, =C2=A0inverted and = rectified to proper operating value.

=7EDan Chadwick
Charlie-I got to that DeVry campus apparently the = year you left=21

=C2=A0


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jerry Volland = <jerryvolland=40inbox.com>
To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
Subject: = Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler?
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:39:18 = -0800

Devry moved to 23 Avenue and Dunlap.

Thinking about a = third plate in a capacitor, it looks like a different charge on each side = of the plate. =C2=A0But I doubt you could discharge one side of the center = plate to the other. =C2=A0Still, it reminds me of the intermediate = electrode in a UFO's top ball - the cylinder between the central rod and = the sphere itself. =C2=A0I like this one because the discharge looks = longitudinal. =C2=A0I wonder if there are dielectric spokes along the = cylinder's midriff, touching the inside of the shpere? =C2=A0I recently = found out there is such a thing as evanescent electrons.


> = -----Original Message-----
> From: = charlieford1=40charter.net
> Sent: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:15:08 = -0500
> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: = Evanescent Super Boiler?
>
> Hmm.. =C2=A0When I went to DeVry = Phoenix they where located at 25st near
> Camelback. (1978-1981) Now = I understand they are North West, like 19th
> Avenue and Bethany. = =C2=A0=C2=A0That was a long long time ago.
>
> Anyway
> =
> You might look at what happens when you put a third (center) = plate in a
> capacitor.
>
>
> Jerry Volland = wrote:
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> This is = interesting. =C2=A0It would seem logical that the dry spray on
>> = coating would require more energy than produced.
>>
>> = So you went to Devry. =C2=A0That's about five miles from my = house.
>>
>> With Mike's cell, the boiling was = instantaneous. =C2=A0I figured there must
>> have been a = longitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte. = =C2=A0This
>> type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to = impact a nearby
>> battery.
>>
>>
>> =
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: = charlieford1=40charter.net
>>> Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 = -0500
>>> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
>>> Subject: = Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler?
>>>
>>> Hi = Jerry (&group)
>>>
>>> Still a bit lost on = the super boiler. =C2=A0but I can offer some history on
>>> = the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find = interesting.
>>>
>>> In the early 80s we had non = maintenance-free batteries. =C2=A0You had to
>>> periodically = add distilled water because there where no catalytic
>>> = converters to recover the H2. =C2=A0Also the battery plates = where
>>> dry-polarized so the battery was already charged = when you added the
>>> acid. I believe the dry process was a = spray-on coating. =C2=A0The battery
>>> plates (as advertised) = had a porous surface that increased the
>>> capacity. =C2=A0I = believe that was a favorable side effect of the coating.
>>> =
>>> I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if = the energy cost
>>> of the coating was more then the energy = provided by the completed cell.
>>>
>>> = Cheers
>>> Charlie Ford
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> Jerry Volland wrote:
>>> =
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> = Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just = run
>>>> across something which may correlate. While = rereading C.P.
>>>> Kouropoulos' paper =22Singular = Translations and Their Reaction=22 I found
>>>> this = concept:
>>>>
>>>> =22We did not = distinguish between the longitudinal and the = transverse
>>>> gravitational counterparts to the = electrokinetic fields. In
>>>> electrodynamics, the latter = propagate through space as their electric
>>>> and magnetic = components regenerate one another. Energy is initially
>>>> = provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating = the
>>>> transverse waves, with both their advanced and = retarded components.
>>>> Because this fails to happen for = the longitudinal waves, these are
>>>> confined to the near = field. This is easy to see by considering that
>>>> they = are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between = two
>>>> charges. =22
>>>> =
>>>> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes = from a medium with
>>>> one refractive index, through a = second medium with a different
>>>> refractive index, then = back to the first medium. This sounds like what
>>>> might = be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's = Super
>>>> Boiler.
>>>>
>>>> = I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due = to
>>>> longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some = setup could be made
>>>> which would instantly charge a car = battery?
>>>>
>>
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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 8 10:16:48 2010 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o38HGiRE010697; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:16:45 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id o38HGh2J010690; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:16:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:16:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f To: Cc: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:16:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Steven Dufresne" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_3EHLJ2LMHNPEJQSNRCNV" Message-Id: <201004081316939.SM06008@[199.246.24.129]> X-Declude-Sender: stevend@rimstar.org [199.246.24.129] X-Declude-Spoolname: D0f7701a500000c3f.smd X-Declude-RefID: X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 4.10.42-A "http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm" X-Declude-Scan: Outgoing Score [0] at 13:16:47 on 08 Apr 2010 X-Declude-Tests: Whitelisted X-Country-Chain: X-Declude-Code: 0 X-Declude-Recipcount: 1 Organization: Declude, Inc. X-Helo: X-RevDNS: Resent-Message-ID: <5bRKnD.A.wmC.79gvLB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25812 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 494 --------------Boundary-00=_3EHLJ2LMHNPEJQSNRCNV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_3EHLOD8P6PIMRP2N136C" --------------Boundary-00=_3EHLOD8P6PIMRP2N136C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having intermediate plates that are not wired up to anything has been done = a lot, mainly in concentric cylinder arrangements, though it's been=C2=A0done = with flat plates too. However, I agree that having=C2=A0the outer plates that are wired to the = battery be insulated is intriguing. After all, all you need is coulomb forces pulling apart the = H2O molecules. You could probably even do that without any intermediate plates. The next stage in thinking it through is to suggest replacing the battery = with an electret. Of course the problem with electrets is usually that the plates attract = opposite charges which stick and neutralize the plates. But in this case the rising = O2 and H bubbles may clean off the plate. Naw. There's gotta be a catch. :-) -Stevehttp://rimstar.org=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://wsminfo.org PS. It's nice to see activity here again. -----Original Message----- From: =22Jerry Volland=22 Sent 4/8/2010 12:30:56 PM To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler?This staged electrolyzer = =C2=A0is an intriguing concept. =C2=A0Anyone try it?-----Original = Message-----From: dclmt=40netzero.netSent: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:38:44 GMTTo: = freenrg-l=40eskimo.comSubject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler?Hoi = group=21The third middle plate would divide the charge in half and = electrolize on both sides... standard voltage divider rules. To that end = several plates dividing the charge applied by outside uninvolved plates at = a charge several times greater than that required by a pair of plates = should electrolize the water without dissipating the current in the = battery applying the charge. The current in the cell would all come from = the water, the battery only supplying the force of voltage, =C2=A0inverted = and rectified to proper operating value.=7EDan Chadwick Charlie-I got to that DeVry campus apparently the year you left=21= --------------Boundary-00=_3EHLOD8P6PIMRP2N136C Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having intermediate plates that are not wired up to anything has been done = a lot,
mainly in concentric cylinder arrangements, though it's been done = with flat plates too.
However, I agree that having the outer plates that are wired to the = battery be insulated
is intriguing. After all, all you need is coulomb forces pulling apart the = H2O molecules.
You could probably even do that without any intermediate plates.

The next stage in thinking it through is to suggest replacing the battery = with an electret.
Of course the problem with electrets is usually that the plates attract = opposite
charges which stick and neutralize the plates. But in this case the rising = O2 and H
bubbles may clean off the plate.

Naw. There's gotta be a catch. :-)
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org
PS. It's nice to see activity here again.

-----Original Message-----
From: =22Jerry Volland=22 <jerryvolland=40inbox.com>
Sent 4/8/2010 12:30:56 PM
To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler?

This staged electrolyzer  is an intriguing concept.  Anyone = try it?


-----Original Message-----
From: dclmt=40netzero.net
Sent: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:38:44 GMT
To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler?

Hoi group=21

The third middle plate would divide the charge in half and electrolize = on both sides... standard voltage divider rules. To that end several = plates dividing the charge applied by outside uninvolved plates at a = charge several times greater than that required by a pair of plates should = electrolize the water without dissipating the current in the battery = applying the charge. The current in the cell would all come from the = water, the battery only supplying the force of voltage,  inverted and = rectified to proper operating value.

=7EDan Chadwick
Charlie-I got to that DeVry campus apparently the year you left=21

--------------Boundary-00=_3EHLOD8P6PIMRP2N136C-- --------------Boundary-00=_3EHLJ2LMHNPEJQSNRCNV-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 8 18:15:24 2010 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o391FLBm007332; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 18:15:21 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id o391FKgl007323; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 18:15:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 18:15:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:13:28 -0800 Message-ID: <555F132E026.0000018Ejerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: RE: [FG]: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <201004081316939.SM06008@[199.246.24.129]> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 63.225.199.96 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: HBiqXU9En9Ot9bRYe6BtxsI6CNyd2P0XKt6vQhOaMFY-9p9xI8ULY8j8Cz4u gt28F8b29gACpyTntvJ0Ejgk56k6zZFYF_HstmnezB1WhcfY6n1lx0C-cKQi _Stigwnn7AupC-klwy5MZ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25813 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 495 <=21DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC =22-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN=22>
I found an old metal thermos at the thrift store. =C2=A0After taking = a hack saw to both ends, I've got two closely spaced stainless cylinders, = although with a slight taper. =C2=A0Do these intermediate electrodes have = to be perforated? =C2=A0It seems Mike did have holes in his non connected = plate. =C2=A0And he also indicated a certain degree of thinness was = needed, although this might be related to the longitudinal (evanescent) = waves' tunneling.

Will potential alone break out = the hydrogen, or is some mechanical movement of the potential or solution = necessary? =C2=A0Anyone think about vibrating = electrets?


-----Original = Message-----
From: stevend=40rimstar.org
Sent: Thu, 08 = Apr 2010 17:16:39 GMT
To: = freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
Subject: =5BFG=5D: Re: =5BFG=5D: = Evanescent Super Boiler?

Having intermediate plates that are not wired = up to anything has been done a lot,
mainly in concentric cylinder arrangements, though it's been=C2=A0done = with flat plates too.
However, I agree that having=C2=A0the outer plates that are wired to the = battery be insulated
is intriguing. After all, all you need is coulomb forces pulling apart the = H2O molecules.
You could probably even do that without any intermediate plates.

The next stage in thinking it through is to suggest replacing the battery = with an electret.
Of course the problem with electrets is usually that the plates attract = opposite
charges which stick and neutralize the plates. But in this case the rising = O2 and H
bubbles may clean off the plate.

Naw. There's gotta be a catch. :-)
-Steve
http://rimstar.org=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://wsminfo.org
PS. It's nice to see activity here again.

-----Original Message-----
From: =22Jerry Volland=22 <jerryvolland=40inbox.com>
Sent 4/8/2010 12:30:56 PM
To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler?

This staged electrolyzer =C2=A0is an intriguing concept. =C2=A0Anyone = try it?


-----Original Message-----
From: dclmt=40netzero.net
Sent: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:38:44 GMT
To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com
Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler?

Hoi group=21

The third middle plate would divide the charge in half and electrolize = on both sides... standard voltage divider rules. To that end several = plates dividing the charge applied by outside uninvolved plates at a = charge several times greater than that required by a pair of plates should = electrolize the water without dissipating the current in the battery = applying the charge. The current in the cell would all come from the = water, the battery only supplying the force of voltage, =C2=A0inverted and = rectified to proper operating value.

=7EDan Chadwick
Charlie-I got to that DeVry campus apparently the year you left=21

From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 9 19:03:21 2010 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3A23EBl030233; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:03:14 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id o3A23CLY030193; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:03:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:03:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nYbISnGZzwQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=yTIk75XiAAAA:8 a=M3mb7mjCAAAA:8 a=B9MbttBBTuLfQaV6WtYA:9 a=luAiYawYiUJz4GV0owAA:7 a=yKobWtzwFMEAjihmhWYrF50lf0gA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=8PGfyiCYVrkA:10 Message-ID: <4BBFDC5A.1010502@charter.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:03:06 -0500 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? References: <20292e4538e.0000005fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <30B2764C7E2.0000035Djerryvolland@inbox.com> <4BBBF8BC.6080604@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25814 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 496 Phoenix is a long distant memory for me, but it is clearing. Now I remember. 19th and Bethany. There is a mall, and a hospital. My first wife grew up very near 19th and Bethany. Also I think she went to Thunderbird? Anyway. I grew up in San Mateo 15 miles south of San Fransisco (that is spelled "San Fransisco" for yall baseball fans). Eventually I found my way home to Fort Worth. Now I get to say "I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as quick as I could" :) leaking pen wrote: > Woot! we have some zonies amongst us! I feel less alone. And they > are about as far west, but at Dunlap now. > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Charles Ford wrote: > >> Hmm.. When I went to DeVry Phoenix they where located at 25st near >> Camelback. (1978-1981) Now I understand they are North West, like 19th >> Avenue and Bethany. That was a long long time ago. >> >> Anyway >> >> You might look at what happens when you put a third (center) plate in a >> capacitor. >> >> >> Jerry Volland wrote: >> >>> Hi Charlie, >>> >>> This is interesting. It would seem logical that the dry spray on coating >>> would require more energy than produced. >>> >>> So you went to Devry. That's about five miles from my house. >>> >>> With Mike's cell, the boiling was instantaneous. I figured there must >>> have been a longitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte. This >>> type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to impact a nearby battery. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: charlieford1@charter.net >>>> Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500 >>>> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>>> Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? >>>> >>>> Hi Jerry (&group) >>>> >>>> Still a bit lost on the super boiler. but I can offer some history on >>>> the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find interesting. >>>> >>>> In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. You had to >>>> periodically add distilled water because there where no catalytic >>>> converters to recover the H2. Also the battery plates where >>>> dry-polarized so the battery was already charged when you added the >>>> acid. I believe the dry process was a spray-on coating. The battery >>>> plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the >>>> capacity. I believe that was a favorable side effect of the coating. >>>> >>>> I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy cost >>>> of the coating was more then the energy provided by the completed cell. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Charlie Ford >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jerry Volland wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just run >>>>> across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. >>>>> Kouropoulos' paper "Singular Translations and Their Reaction" I found >>>>> this concept: >>>>> >>>>> "We did not distinguish between the longitudinal and the transverse >>>>> gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In >>>>> electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their electric >>>>> and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is initially >>>>> provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the >>>>> transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components. >>>>> Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are >>>>> confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that >>>>> they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two >>>>> charges. " >>>>> >>>>> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium with >>>>> one refractive index, through a second medium with a different >>>>> refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like what >>>>> might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super >>>>> Boiler. >>>>> >>>>> I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due to >>>>> longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could be made >>>>> which would instantly charge a car battery? >>>>> >>>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! >>> Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 10 09:42:46 2010 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3AGge23020636; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:42:40 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id o3AGgblM020622; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:42:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:42:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:40:35 -0800 Message-ID: <6A09F863BF0.000001F0jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <4BBFDC5A.1010502@charter.net> References: <4bbbf8bc.6080604@charter.net> <20292e4538e.0000005fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <30b2764c7e2.0000035djerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 63.225.210.94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: QCFFQwW0F-LOJAX4oAHuC_qiSxtGEEo3N1uUNxgLQgVYVsPWush8I-oyslwC ixiGZysoEky0b4lu9cw1H-l1XrjLzTT_xJPhxtHENiE-bcwWvW9nH_nCrGeB J41R9y5kXN-fLon66L5ue6Q@@ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25815 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 497 Yeah, I got there as quick as I could too. I got to live in Odessa for a = while when I was a first grader, but didn't get to stay. Here's an interesting video about the electric universe: http://www.sprword.com/videos/thunderboltsofthegods/ The first few minutes show a variety of ancient symbols which I believe = are related to free energy. They look quite similar to the schematic of = the UFO's top ball electrode. There's no doubt the pulse from that = electrode contains quite a bit more energy than it takes to charge it. = Perhaps an auto acceleration effect? > -----Original Message----- > From: charlieford1=40charter.net > Sent: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:03:06 -0500 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler? >=20 > Phoenix is a long distant memory for me, but it is clearing. Now I > remember. 19th and Bethany. There is a mall, and a hospital. My first > wife grew up very near 19th and Bethany. Also I think she went to > Thunderbird? Anyway. I grew up in San Mateo 15 miles south of San > Fransisco (that is spelled =22San Fransisco=22 for yall baseball fans). > Eventually I found my way home to Fort Worth. Now I get to say =22I > wasn't born in Texas but I got here as quick as I could=22 :) >=20 > leaking pen wrote: >> Woot=21 we have some zonies amongst us=21 I feel less alone. And they >> are about as far west, but at Dunlap now. >>=20 >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Charles Ford >> wrote: >>=20 >>> Hmm.. When I went to DeVry Phoenix they where located at 25st near >>> Camelback. (1978-1981) Now I understand they are North West, like 19th >>> Avenue and Bethany. That was a long long time ago. >>>=20 >>> Anyway >>>=20 >>> You might look at what happens when you put a third (center) plate in a >>> capacitor. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Jerry Volland wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi Charlie, >>>>=20 >>>> This is interesting. It would seem logical that the dry spray on >>>> coating >>>> would require more energy than produced. >>>>=20 >>>> So you went to Devry. That's about five miles from my house. >>>>=20 >>>> With Mike's cell, the boiling was instantaneous. I figured there must >>>> have been a longitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte. >>>> This >>>> type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to impact a nearby >>>> battery. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: charlieford1=40charter.net >>>>> Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500 >>>>> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >>>>> Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: Evanescent Super Boiler? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hi Jerry (&group) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Still a bit lost on the super boiler. but I can offer some history >>>>> on >>>>> the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find >>>>> interesting. >>>>>=20 >>>>> In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. You had to >>>>> periodically add distilled water because there where no catalytic >>>>> converters to recover the H2. Also the battery plates where >>>>> dry-polarized so the battery was already charged when you added the >>>>> acid. I believe the dry process was a spray-on coating. The battery >>>>> plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the >>>>> capacity. I believe that was a favorable side effect of the coating. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy >>>>> cost >>>>> of the coating was more then the energy provided by the completed >>>>> cell. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Charlie Ford >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jerry Volland wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just run >>>>>> across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. >>>>>> Kouropoulos' paper =22Singular Translations and Their Reaction=22 I >>>>>> found >>>>>> this concept: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> =22We did not distinguish between the longitudinal and the transverse >>>>>> gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In >>>>>> electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their >>>>>> electric >>>>>> and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is initially >>>>>> provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the >>>>>> transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components. >>>>>> Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are >>>>>> confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that >>>>>> they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two >>>>>> charges. =22 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium with >>>>>> one refractive index, through a second medium with a different >>>>>> refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like >>>>>> what >>>>>> might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super >>>>>> Boiler. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due >>>>>> to >>>>>> longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could be made >>>>>> which would instantly charge a car battery? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool >>>> features=21 >>>> Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more=21 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ Receive Notifications of Incoming Messages Easily monitor multiple email accounts & access them with a click. Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 10 10:17:28 2010 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3AHHF7n003253; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:17:23 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id o3AHHESQ003246; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:17:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:17:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LUu66WuntdeIv9HcyHRHiSoLWNUsBRyi7Q3s7+xcHY0=; b=Ds5q4WzL4vE0IYPO9pOXem173r/bd/tRL8NJsfI8C0dsNa1IowBmXeA+KhsAPVulF2 4sIdoE6ZQBTPOLItxLBrxC+1saDmw+VWpKsI+DmrS1CM0Qf7cx3c3S5m4pm8kGzrZvUI cgUmlR+pg8EUXj9iGE2+6Zac+k1839wMDJ454= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D4VmcB08qnDc4DpO0R5uVHqv/BSZOXrNTjKFTYghEZN219S2lo5/E8kkQf3D+ohj4o +qvmyJwRUW1k7okmr9QU0fGkB4vHDQfzOLpR9aipNsKgOmNpckVI4MQa8/fvupwb+F6H Oy/CxHTM/Istb/yBPuqHLmE62A8XN9hQbocnQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4BBFDC5A.1010502@charter.net> References: <20292e4538e.0000005fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <30B2764C7E2.0000035Djerryvolland@inbox.com> <4BBBF8BC.6080604@charter.net> <4BBFDC5A.1010502@charter.net> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:17:23 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? From: leaking pen To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6jvfXC.A.py.aKLwLB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25816 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 498 The mall is gone, bulldozed for something or another, as I recall. Not generally my side of town. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Charles Ford wro= te: > Phoenix is a long distant memory for me, but it is clearing. =A0Now I > remember. =A019th and Bethany. =A0There is a mall, and a hospital. =A0My = first > wife grew up very near 19th and Bethany. =A0Also I think she went to > Thunderbird? =A0Anyway. =A0I grew up =A0in San Mateo 15 miles south of Sa= n > Fransisco (that is spelled "San Fransisco" for yall baseball fans). > =A0Eventually I found my way home to Fort Worth. =A0Now I get to say "I w= asn't > born in Texas but I got here as quick as I could" :) > > leaking pen wrote: >> >> Woot! =A0we have some zonies amongst us! =A0I feel less alone. =A0And th= ey >> are about as far west, but at Dunlap now. >> >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Charles Ford >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hmm.. =A0When I went to DeVry Phoenix they where located at 25st near >>> Camelback. (1978-1981) Now I understand they are North West, like 19th >>> Avenue and Bethany. =A0 That was a long long time ago. >>> >>> Anyway >>> >>> You might look at what happens when you put a third (center) plate in a >>> capacitor. >>> >>> >>> Jerry Volland wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Charlie, >>>> >>>> This is interesting. =A0It would seem logical that the dry spray on >>>> coating >>>> would require more energy than produced. >>>> >>>> So you went to Devry. =A0That's about five miles from my house. >>>> >>>> With Mike's cell, the boiling was instantaneous. =A0I figured there mu= st >>>> have been a longitudinal force moving the ions in the electrolyte. =A0= This >>>> type of force might continue on beyond the cell, to impact a nearby >>>> battery. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: charlieford1@charter.net >>>>> Sent: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:37:54 -0500 >>>>> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [FG]: Evanescent Super Boiler? >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jerry (&group) >>>>> >>>>> Still a bit lost on the super boiler. =A0but I can offer some history= on >>>>> the manufacturer of led-acid batteries that you might find interestin= g. >>>>> >>>>> In the early 80s we had non maintenance-free batteries. =A0You had to >>>>> periodically add distilled water because there where no catalytic >>>>> converters to recover the H2. =A0Also the battery plates where >>>>> dry-polarized so the battery was already charged when you added the >>>>> acid. I believe the dry process was a spray-on coating. =A0The batter= y >>>>> plates (as advertised) had a porous surface that increased the >>>>> capacity. =A0I believe that was a favorable side effect of the coatin= g. >>>>> >>>>> I remember wondering back in the DeVry-Phoenix days if the energy cos= t >>>>> of the coating was more then the energy provided by the completed cel= l. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Charlie Ford >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jerry Volland wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Still thinking of MJ's Super Boiler from time to time. I've just run >>>>>> across something which may correlate. While rereading C.P. >>>>>> Kouropoulos' paper "Singular Translations and Their Reaction" I foun= d >>>>>> this concept: >>>>>> >>>>>> "We did not distinguish between the longitudinal and the transverse >>>>>> gravitational counterparts to the electrokinetic fields. In >>>>>> electrodynamics, the latter propagate through space as their electri= c >>>>>> and magnetic components regenerate one another. Energy is initially >>>>>> provided to the space, which in turn keeps on propagating the >>>>>> transverse waves, with both their advanced and retarded components. >>>>>> Because this fails to happen for the longitudinal waves, these are >>>>>> confined to the near field. This is easy to see by considering that >>>>>> they are only transmitted by evanescent virtual photons between two >>>>>> charges. " >>>>>> >>>>>> Evanescent waves are formed when EM energy passes from a medium with >>>>>> one refractive index, through a second medium with a different >>>>>> refractive index, then back to the first medium. This sounds like wh= at >>>>>> might be happening with the intermediate electrode in Mike's Super >>>>>> Boiler. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've always thought that the instant boiling in Mike's cell was due = to >>>>>> longitudinal waves. If so, I'm wondering if some setup could be made >>>>>> which would instantly charge a car battery? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features= ! >>>> Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 30 21:03:53 2010 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4143ogp005009; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:03:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id o4143d2h004969; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:03:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:03:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=Bim4JxkGAAAA:8 a=0WwRZgFgF8KC8TSAN6IA:9 a=2ad_nAHhntGmQ8Sco9YA:7 a=0lgucLT6rYPrgW7Gm-0C3CFeFUcA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Message-ID: <4BDBA81D.7020009@charter.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:03:41 -0500 From: Charles Ford User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25817 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: [Fwd: A CHINESE FABLE] Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 499 Folks: I normally don't forward these but this one... Well it seems to apply. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: A CHINESE FABLE Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:15:23 -0500 From: FLOYD F CLARK To: An elderly Chinese woman had two large pots, each hung on the ends of a pole which she carried across her neck. One of the pots had a crack in it, while the other pot was perfect and always delivered a full portion of water. At the end of the long walks from the stream to the house, the cracked pot arrived only half full. For a full two years this went on daily, with the woman bringing home only one and a half pots of water. Of course, the perfect pot was proud of its accomplishments. But the poor cracked pot was ashamed of its own imperfection, and miserable that it could only do half of what it had been made to do. After two years of what it perceived to be a bitter failure, it spoke to the woman one day by the stream. "I am ashamed of myself, because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the way back to your house." The old woman smiled, "Did you notice that there are flowers on your side of the path, but to not on the other pot's side? That's because I have always known about your flaw, so I planted flower seeds on your side of the path, and every day while we walked back, you watered them. For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers to decorate the table. Without you being just the way you are, there would not be this beauty to grace the house. Each of us has our own unique flaw, but it's the cracks and flaws we each have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding. You've just got to take each person for what they are, and look for the good in them. So, to all of my *Cracked Pot Friends*, have a great day and remember to smell the flowers on your side of the path! Now, send this to any, or all, of your C/*racked Pot Friends*,/ and don't forget the *Cracked Pot* that sent this to you. Love, Floyd. ____________________________________________________________ *Refi - Low as 3.32% APR* Homeowners: Refi before rates rise. $300k for $1,306/mo. No SSN req'd QuickMatch.LendingTree.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 10:24:56 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q04IOraa006112; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:24:53 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q04IOgsl005977; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:24:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:24:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:from:subject:to:content-type; b=fYilSEYk1FUmkiwBYraNuXYHkhrv/9k7Z7xXnQH66gebJaoEZF0zV5VJkY5xz37vgOq7 nq+gKTefzr7XFZ9jPf8SDo5Ce6CM8MwSV+qfrJJT9OihDZWWWTEN7OB2tPlytQwKEqzEQM P2mR+8S2oCg5ZGvF2Q36YF45rtgbDgYWs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lYc9vWlYwHz+MX10trtBog3jvtwmKZ72nozDHQI2WEo=; b=krGrJp8il8hKSbFEZ96grsgYF++e1sifIAokcclv/ay6+vSOdPg+t4DSV899cthc+RY7 1B5svAovL0OI5FLLJ15M/rLebdTjr6YdgOo7ZOTOM1W2G/+PezYStvuAon6F5sDqCHNbvt 5Buw9JZaJJClX0zMp+xTVu9dLS/yY+uN8= Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:11 -0800 Message-ID: <8E1B720EC6F.0000072Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 69.171.160.56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: VZeOnlX8acTFI8urPrPiYyi2JzNLfToQ03M1jXPqP3cMdeYmQx5F10q4-7ry QC4MoZMFNqXMLR-l6fqQx9H5AuyT3NdF1TNAuvWJE4GjI7sNm7WHJR6xWb8K YCyLsyKxovDmTh-Th_cca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25818 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: My Antigravity Video Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 500 I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial = Propulsion devices. Here's the link: http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs And here's my web page, which also has the link: http://thespaceoffice.com The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does = exist. It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust impulse. = As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my Levitation = Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. The motor tips = backwards as the weights start to move forwards. This causes the weights = to move above their normal plane of rotation. Lift results as the weights = are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. The springs are what pulls the = motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession. As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, they = produce the downwards hop. This happens when the weights are side by = side, near the middle. As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the = weights are pulled to a stop and moved upwards. This transfers their = momentum to the frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. The = advantage of showing this effect in the air is that there is nothing to = push against. The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip backwards, = relative to the base frame. This provides a control experiment which does = not produce forwards movement. However, there also is no spring. The = phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's interaction = causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move downwards. In the = process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move higher. Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. Therefore, this is an = antigravity effect. This type of effect can't produce an increasing = altitude. At the best, it can only prevent something from moving = downwards due to gravity. But a mechanical system which incorporates the = phase shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional = lift impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude = indefinitely. I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV ____________________________________________________________ Share photos & screenshots in seconds... TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 12:55:28 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q04KtNhL018556; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:55:23 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q04KtJnT018490; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:55:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:55:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Client-Authorized: MaGic Cook1e Message-ID: <4F04BBE8.7010602@mindsync.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:51:52 -0600 From: Norm Silliman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video References: <8E1B720EC6F.0000072Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> In-Reply-To: <8E1B720EC6F.0000072Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 216.240.47.51 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25819 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 501 Jerry, I liked you video clip and thought you may be interested this, I have news about a space ship drive thrust engine, and better yet why Newton's 3rd law is NOT a limiting factor. http://aether-physics.com/newton3rdlaw.html Norm On 1/4/2012 12:21 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: > I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial Propulsion devices. Here's the link: > > http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs > > And here's my web page, which also has the link: > > http://thespaceoffice.com > > The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does exist. It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust impulse. As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my Levitation Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. The motor tips backwards as the weights start to move forwards. This causes the weights to move above their normal plane of rotation. Lift results as the weights are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. The springs are what pulls the motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession. > > As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, they produce the downwards hop. This happens when the weights are side by side, near the middle. As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the weights are pulled to a stop and moved upwards. This transfers their momentum to the frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. The advantage of showing this effect in the air is that there is nothing to push against. > > The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip backwards, relative to the base frame. This provides a control experiment which does not produce forwards movement. However, there also is no spring. The phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's interaction causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move downwards. In the process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move higher. > > Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. Therefore, this is an antigravity effect. This type of effect can't produce an increasing altitude. At the best, it can only prevent something from moving downwards due to gravity. But a mechanical system which incorporates the phase shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional lift impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude indefinitely. > > I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV > > ____________________________________________________________ > Share photos& screenshots in seconds... > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if1 > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 13:29:48 2012 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q04LTjs4008409; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:29:46 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id q04LTisa008404; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:29:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:29:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ptsoQzMojtBl3Mzha27mrUYrEkKFsZsFzDdqj1Al83c=; b=nqjt59YEUg5pZyoHBWqjkK/UNHeHytQCuI1M6wCUtRy3IvtzwHtdlA4C2LqHkdK+U1 HR44pI3SDOogrIBn/YycI3GvWnaltV8PLQdr/lQ76loX3fE3bxTCfwLqIFsUZZ0LRngF +byX3AEeo/nbeEJztP8CrXPKHbiZBZKa9gz54= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8E1B720EC6F.0000072Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> References: <8E1B720EC6F.0000072Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video From: leaking pen To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25820 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 502 The videos are giving me an error when I try to watch. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Jerry Volland wro= te: > I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial Propul= sion devices. =A0Here's the link: > > http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs > > And here's my web page, which also has the link: > > http://thespaceoffice.com > > The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does exis= t. =A0It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust impulse. =A0= As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my Levitation Ma= chine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. =A0The motor tips backwar= ds as the weights start to move forwards. =A0This causes the weights to mov= e above their normal plane of rotation. =A0Lift results as the weights are = pulled back down, ahead of the motor. =A0The springs are what pulls the mot= or into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession. > > As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, the= y produce the downwards hop. =A0This happens when the weights are side by s= ide, near the middle. =A0As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the weig= hts are pulled to a stop and moved upwards. =A0This transfers their momentu= m to the frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. =A0The advantage of = showing this effect in the air is that there is nothing to push against. > > The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip backwards,= relative to the base frame. =A0This provides a control experiment which do= es not produce forwards movement. =A0However, there also is no spring. =A0T= he phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's interaction cau= sing the unsupported end of the base frame to move downwards. =A0In the pro= cess, both sides of the motor's metal frame move higher. > > Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. =A0Therefore, this is = an antigravity effect. =A0This type of effect can't produce an increasing a= ltitude. =A0At the best, it can only prevent something from moving downward= s due to gravity. =A0But a mechanical system which incorporates the phase s= hifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional lift impu= lse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude indefinite= ly. > > I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV > > ____________________________________________________________ > Share photos & screenshots in seconds... > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social network= s. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 13:32:53 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q04LWiJV005699; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:32:44 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q04LWiA4005689; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:32:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:32:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dUb73NQL4OoxuaxGMoiHjL7ZKf4q8v6afB4psH3yOgA=; b=KQtMjqYItyISIAtZe0hn5Ug+SzKNUkUz7w60tC1AubSGwfwn/cV4xmpOSK9rhF+jut 5h4TtAr58eOO8lWNjbSmQMP4RSlDWhXUzWUeDSYhYGRPdEqAhFFrmdWP9XliYSVKY0uO Gal7lEEz7q1N8cNStNahI/QdL+qJWVPOaCZKA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8E1B720EC6F.0000072Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:29:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video From: Esa Ruoho To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173fe6b2dbb47504b5ba8298 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25821 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 503 --0015173fe6b2dbb47504b5ba8298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also am getting an error. It's a very peculiar error too. YouTube itself does not load, instead Google itself gives this error: *502.* That=92s an error. The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request. Please try again in 30 seconds. That=92s all we know. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:26 PM, leaking pen wrote: > The videos are giving me an error when I try to watch. > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Jerry Volland > wrote: > > I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial > Propulsion devices. Here's the link: > > > > http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs > > > > And here's my web page, which also has the link: > > > > http://thespaceoffice.com > > > > The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does > exist. It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust impulse. > As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my Levitation > Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. The motor tips > backwards as the weights start to move forwards. This causes the weights > to move above their normal plane of rotation. Lift results as the weight= s > are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. The springs are what pulls the > motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession. > > > > As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, > they produce the downwards hop. This happens when the weights are side b= y > side, near the middle. As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the > weights are pulled to a stop and moved upwards. This transfers their > momentum to the frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. The > advantage of showing this effect in the air is that there is nothing to > push against. > > > > The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip > backwards, relative to the base frame. This provides a control experimen= t > which does not produce forwards movement. However, there also is no > spring. The phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's > interaction causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move > downwards. In the process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move > higher. > > > > Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. Therefore, this is > an antigravity effect. This type of effect can't produce an increasing > altitude. At the best, it can only prevent something from moving downwar= ds > due to gravity. But a mechanical system which incorporates the phase > shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional lift > impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude > indefinitely. > > > > I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Share photos & screenshots in seconds... > > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 > > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social > networks. > > > > > > --0015173fe6b2dbb47504b5ba8298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also am getting an error. It's a very peculiar error too. YouTube its= elf does not load, instead Google itself gives this error:

502.=A0That=92s an error.

The server encountered a temporary erro= r and could not complete your request.

Please try again in 30 seconds.=A0That=92s all we know.




On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:26= PM, leaking pen <itsatrap@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@inbox.com> wrote:
> I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial= Propulsion devices. =A0Here's the link:
>
> http://youtu= .be/yzaJuyPpBcs
>
> And here's my web page, which also has the link:
>
> http://thespac= eoffice.com
>
> The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does e= xist. =A0It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust impulse. = =A0As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my Levitation= Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. =A0The motor tips back= wards as the weights start to move forwards. =A0This causes the weights to = move above their normal plane of rotation. =A0Lift results as the weights a= re pulled back down, ahead of the motor. =A0The springs are what pulls the = motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession.
>
> As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, = they produce the downwards hop. =A0This happens when the weights are side b= y side, near the middle. =A0As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the w= eights are pulled to a stop and moved upwards. =A0This transfers their mome= ntum to the frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. =A0The advantage = of showing this effect in the air is that there is nothing to push against.=
>
> The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip backwar= ds, relative to the base frame. =A0This provides a control experiment which= does not produce forwards movement. =A0However, there also is no spring. = =A0The phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's interac= tion causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move downwards. =A0In= the process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move higher.
>
> Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. =A0Therefore, this = is an antigravity effect. =A0This type of effect can't produce an incre= asing altitude. =A0At the best, it can only prevent something from moving d= ownwards due to gravity. =A0But a mechanical system which incorporates the = phase shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional li= ft impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude ind= efinitely.
>
> I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Doma= in. -JV
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Share photos & screenshots in seconds...
> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc= =3Dif1
> Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social netw= orks.
>
>


--0015173fe6b2dbb47504b5ba8298-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 13:52:30 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q04LqMvW018279; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:52:22 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q04LqL3s018268; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:52:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:52:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:from:subject:to:content-type; b=QMtoDq8QBGdcLakTOe0fwejpZXKIWvO49eUkP0jYwmMMVV1m4NlVIq44ENWPdqaoWvaO j4W+jWJBcacIxcrmBdxtkI10+vapnD8ezZdW2VWv8JbJlWQ9yO5YSrb+T6UjRjZWHY9dbv rwnBg2zTOIjapidMK1oRVkQHHpas7cpks= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tpTyi/vtqNg+p/Ti1n79LDkos57bM7AynCO8R9IgHSo=; b=ZUNcXR57leSZzw03BDQozfc2eIHteJzoH4qRDIhoZazHA6ROgNgHHzl895dE2MWklLMU 0VmbMo6mY5sLoRQyfWBrbzQN+k/Kwsvuy7pMMHm6FwP0ELBG8xE8gY9S9Vgb8BvP9Y/xWM WhAWq/5VcUzLxEiJwGHf3lzuywWpwJu2g= Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:49:00 -0800 Message-ID: <8FEBF4C0119.000009EFjerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <4F04BBE8.7010602@mindsync.com> References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 69.171.160.18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: jmoofKTUyfnUELFsd2tKzcQvAkGoaMco-Xw3CAq4cjOB1Uz82oyY696GaNSV 3OE61sryb09OOGpbN0NNGjBPz8SsR2N3tu2xfv9v_yTKjjiz6qPogi2MC70O 9YRFK-XdzqjT-SmShIPIi Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25822 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 504 Norm, I had hoped that you would discuss my video and work, rather than = something unrelated to my subject matter. The link you provide does not discuss a Space Drive, which is what I have. = An accurate understanding also appears to be missing. Newton did in fact = study the gyroscope. That's why his Second Law states: =22When an = unbalanced force acts upon a body, it's change in momentum is directly = proportional to, and in the same direction as, the resultant force=22. = (Not =22the applied force=22.) This allows the resultant force to be in a = different direction than the applied force. The operation of a gyroscope is no mystery when you examine the addition = of an applied velocity to the intrinsic velocity, on each side. One side = speeds up, the other side slows down. This produces torque, which by = definition is an off center rotation, relative to an external pivot point. = So the applied force is redirected, in full compliance with the Laws of = Motion. The referenced experiments deal with gyroscopic precession, which is a = torque effect, rather than thrust. My device produces thrust, as proven = by the Drop Test shown in my video. My second device produces an = antigravity effect. Is that worthy of discussion? If not, then I can = stop typing at this point. > -----Original Message----- > From: silliman=40mindsync.com > Sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:51:52 -0600 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My Antigravity Video >=20 > Jerry, >=20 > =09I liked you video clip and thought you may be interested this, I have > news about a space ship drive thrust engine, and better yet why Newton's > 3rd law is NOT a limiting factor. >=20 > http://aether-physics.com/newton3rdlaw.html >=20 > Norm >=20 > On 1/4/2012 12:21 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: >> I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial >> Propulsion devices. Here's the link: >>=20 >> http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs >>=20 >> And here's my web page, which also has the link: >>=20 >> http://thespaceoffice.com >>=20 >> The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does >> exist. It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust >> impulse. As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my >> Levitation Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. The >> motor tips backwards as the weights start to move forwards. This causes >> the weights to move above their normal plane of rotation. Lift results >> as the weights are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. The springs >> are what pulls the motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted >> precession. >>=20 >> As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, >> they produce the downwards hop. This happens when the weights are side >> by side, near the middle. As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the >> weights are pulled to a stop and moved upwards. This transfers their >> momentum to the frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. The >> advantage of showing this effect in the air is that there is nothing to >> push against. >>=20 >> The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip >> backwards, relative to the base frame. This provides a control >> experiment which does not produce forwards movement. However, there >> also is no spring. The phase shifted precession is caused strictly by >> gravity's interaction causing the unsupported end of the base frame to >> move downwards. In the process, both sides of the motor's metal frame >> move higher. >>=20 >> Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. Therefore, this is >> an antigravity effect. This type of effect can't produce an increasing >> altitude. At the best, it can only prevent something from moving >> downwards due to gravity. But a mechanical system which incorporates >> the phase shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an >> additional lift impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby >> gaining altitude indefinitely. >>=20 >> I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Share photos& screenshots in seconds... >> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 >> Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social >> networks. >>=20 >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif5 Capture screenshots, upload images, edit and send them to your friends through IMs, post on Twitter=C2=AE, Facebook=C2=AE, MySpace=E2=84=A2, = LinkedIn=C2=AE =E2=80=93 FAST=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 13:55:53 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q04Ltlwt020994; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:55:47 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q04LtkLH020979; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:55:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:55:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:from:subject:to:content-type; b=c7EqjP7lhkUhtXbjHWw/4qSMDG26SsYWyxfCqD9Sfz9RHJkdC8pWHPbmeMqkOkZZZCrD rTPX2+Ox2jOvKD5jMHkxQtghfgYo8x5UjFRHthvn+VjjCHKpdRxqbGxAYi+ePD9amLQ+pq GaL+XGTeM486HyBuFx6P1QcCM/hI8K++0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OkVpOdxUCeOUBk/fIp5LOPelZdgYFsrxn7kF0ZYjSSU=; b=VZjILeabZBW7jduvRAo04esaY21IOsj8JC7HJZWzldEM8PjaepTV5yFOxUxz0i6P1h1t maBEYLHkDU1JWKK0Inr/AH/eKV0D8iREyRM0bFi644zDRub6D7PNKjtScmKlEBTJ8UoL1h zHZF1UqjmL0mp8b8qgfaGFjIXGSOt7GxM= Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:52:34 -0800 Message-ID: <8FF3EA9A6BB.000009FBjerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 69.171.160.18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: ZajlmKQ32tpeQ-4jaLbOFn-ZPhDXb8SUfybDk91sI8pLH4QTavleavPwVhC0 Q7UvBdyhH53l1pif9WmSzIt4LgDRNxSvDJwvtaYDrkUD4Q-5c9i5GzNULMez Btnq1O5yR4fXy2xfYJ0_2 Resent-Message-ID: <5ZHq6C.A.uHF.irMBPB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25823 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 505 The link is working with my browser. But I still only have 627 views, = which is what I had before I posted my message. Thanks for YOUR interest. > -----Original Message----- > From: itsatrap=40gmail.com > Sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:26:33 -0700 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My Antigravity Video >=20 > The videos are giving me an error when I try to watch. >=20 > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Jerry Volland > wrote: >> I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial >> Propulsion devices. =C2=A0Here's the link: >>=20 >> http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs >>=20 >> And here's my web page, which also has the link: >>=20 >> http://thespaceoffice.com >>=20 >> The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does >> exist. =C2=A0It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust >> impulse. =C2=A0As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards = to my >> Levitation Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. =C2=A0The >> motor tips backwards as the weights start to move forwards. =C2=A0This = causes >> the weights to move above their normal plane of rotation. =C2=A0Lift = results >> as the weights are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. =C2=A0The = springs >> are what pulls the motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted >> precession. >>=20 >> As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, >> they produce the downwards hop. =C2=A0This happens when the weights are = side >> by side, near the middle. =C2=A0As the motor begins a second reverse = tip, the >> weights are pulled to a stop and moved upwards. =C2=A0This transfers = their >> momentum to the frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. =C2=A0The >> advantage of showing this effect in the air is that there is nothing to >> push against. >>=20 >> The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip >> backwards, relative to the base frame. =C2=A0This provides a control >> experiment which does not produce forwards movement. =C2=A0However, there >> also is no spring. =C2=A0The phase shifted precession is caused = strictly by >> gravity's interaction causing the unsupported end of the base frame to >> move downwards. =C2=A0In the process, both sides of the motor's metal = frame >> move higher. >>=20 >> Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. =C2=A0Therefore, = this is >> an antigravity effect. =C2=A0This type of effect can't produce an = increasing >> altitude. =C2=A0At the best, it can only prevent something from moving >> downwards due to gravity. =C2=A0But a mechanical system which = incorporates >> the phase shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an >> additional lift impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby >> gaining altitude indefinitely. >>=20 >> I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Share photos & screenshots in seconds... >> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 >> Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social >> networks. >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ Send any screenshot to your friends in seconds... 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TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif2 for FREE From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 14:14:30 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q04MEMRY000846; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:14:22 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q04MEL3J000826; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:14:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:14:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:from:subject:to:content-type; b=foZQez2rO0GKxTve1aauWuuDQVbNl09INsjnVuIgAjKWakj1qtb0HSdT9HuG/9McjjJd aiFW1je7kuuF74qHoqheurSXRmB1Ihv6prxAN4X/dX+EfYlVGWC54Gs8h37FXiT4nuO1AI IzQnZEoo/aXXmmuEXcJmJck9S51XvV8Pk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HwPmt3tyTEs0ld1N1JENafxR4McOn2Yt9F4Ts41a8DA=; b=CjBanSaps0ewyqlBtaGIMh9dzLpg1a9N/WBsG2fxVf7tMYhX/hStR5U8r00S+P0mGvFX P0ky8vrl8qSqvDoDlyCYEtfL0iVb1wNk3BrbphZ/LlQyXbY8BhWuBOFWunSdQV8rIQMyh3 U8d5xctg8DgWD84IR0glJ/hQTP+UJMeM0= Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:11:09 -0800 Message-ID: <901D75C888F.00000A37jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 69.171.160.196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: WoKqVJG9IPk_FiMvL_O_OWrfI0txIgTXZ8BxYj76lvm95_5DE7ACiuEjwvJA LhFxi6R-xZABD_2B9qTPxUE2VL_YvkG4N3n_dGEDzBPunh37tH4hj7Qp_wZo aIfzHqmC3OZmf8PHoxxLF Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25824 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 506 Try this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyzaJuyPpBcs&feature=3Dyoutu.be > -----Original Message----- > From: esaruoho=40gmail.com > Sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:29:30 +0200 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My Antigravity Video >=20 > I also am getting an error. It's a very peculiar error too. YouTube > itself > does not load, instead Google itself gives this error: >=20 > *502.* That=E2=80=99s an error. >=20 > The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your > request. >=20 > Please try again in 30 seconds. That=E2=80=99s all we know. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:26 PM, leaking pen wrote: >=20 >> The videos are giving me an error when I try to watch. >>=20 >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Jerry Volland >> wrote: >>> I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial >> Propulsion devices. Here's the link: >>>=20 >>> http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs >>>=20 >>> And here's my web page, which also has the link: >>>=20 >>> http://thespaceoffice.com >>>=20 >>> The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does >> exist. It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust >> impulse. >> As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my >> Levitation >> Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. The motor tips >> backwards as the weights start to move forwards. This causes the >> weights >> to move above their normal plane of rotation. Lift results as the >> weights >> are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. The springs are what pulls >> the >> motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession. >>>=20 >>> As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, >> they produce the downwards hop. This happens when the weights are side >> by >> side, near the middle. As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the >> weights are pulled to a stop and moved upwards. This transfers their >> momentum to the frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. The >> advantage of showing this effect in the air is that there is nothing to >> push against. >>>=20 >>> The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip >> backwards, relative to the base frame. This provides a control >> experiment >> which does not produce forwards movement. However, there also is no >> spring. The phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's >> interaction causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move >> downwards. In the process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move >> higher. >>>=20 >>> Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. Therefore, this is >> an antigravity effect. This type of effect can't produce an increasing >> altitude. At the best, it can only prevent something from moving >> downwards >> due to gravity. But a mechanical system which incorporates the phase >> shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional lift >> impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude >> indefinitely. >>>=20 >>> I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV >>>=20 >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Share photos & screenshots in seconds... >>> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 >>> Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social >> networks. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif5 Capture screenshots, upload images, edit and send them to your friends through IMs, post on Twitter=C2=AE, Facebook=C2=AE, MySpace=E2=84=A2, = LinkedIn=C2=AE =E2=80=93 FAST=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 16:29:20 2012 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q050TGWt013364; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:29:16 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id q050TF0D013359; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:29:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:29:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xH9t7Ka8UlcHw540Bg0QpbEeL63hfs7jOtI4fG+ijog=; b=mHot5CpWFfS8BGwDpNn44Vy8seTJ6feNLJ6SRkkUsBIdXufndy9oIQ6onyCpjG3Qoj C4bM9+kSp3LzJcLFz8o9UWyRpFkmz7YMwjcR1vYESxM70E3QcKpRvGV9Lj5KZ4Od7V6q 3Bf/YTf1IcnrAJkNhPCiIy/ryHU9/v+0MaTvA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8E1B720EC6F.0000072Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> References: <8E1B720EC6F.0000072Fjerryvolland@inbox.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:26:01 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video From: Doug To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6de14fb18648204b5bcfaa0 Resent-Message-ID: <-5Vb-C.A.qQD.b7OBPB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25825 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 507 --0016e6de14fb18648204b5bcfaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 If I understand correctly: - Given an L shaped structure with a gyroscope assembly on the 'long end' of the L, placed face up so the 'short end' of the L is touching the ground. - Gravity will attempt to tip the object so that all edges touch the ground. - Precession generates a rotation force on the object, but due to the specific gyroscope assembly the net force is a forward motion. Entirely believable. I'm dubious it works without touching the ground though. Objects don't randomly twist in space as they fall due to non-uniform weight distribution, which you'd need for this to work in a general sense. Just my $0.02 tho~ ~ D. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Jerry Volland wrote: > I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial > Propulsion devices. Here's the link: > > http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs > > And here's my web page, which also has the link: > > http://thespaceoffice.com > > The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does > exist. It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust impulse. > As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my Levitation > Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. The motor tips > backwards as the weights start to move forwards. This causes the weights > to move above their normal plane of rotation. Lift results as the weights > are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. The springs are what pulls the > motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession. > > As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, they > produce the downwards hop. This happens when the weights are side by side, > near the middle. As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the weights are > pulled to a stop and moved upwards. This transfers their momentum to the > frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. The advantage of showing > this effect in the air is that there is nothing to push against. > > The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip backwards, > relative to the base frame. This provides a control experiment which does > not produce forwards movement. However, there also is no spring. The > phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's interaction > causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move downwards. In the > process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move higher. > > Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. Therefore, this is an > antigravity effect. This type of effect can't produce an increasing > altitude. At the best, it can only prevent something from moving downwards > due to gravity. But a mechanical system which incorporates the phase > shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional lift > impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude > indefinitely. > > I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV > > ____________________________________________________________ > Share photos & screenshots in seconds... > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if1 > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. > > > --0016e6de14fb18648204b5bcfaa0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I understand correctly:

- Given an L shaped structure= with a gyroscope assembly on the 'long end' of the L, placed face = up so the 'short end' of the L is touching the ground.

- Gravity will attempt to tip the object so that all edges t= ouch the ground.

- Precession generates a rotation= force on the object, but due to the specific gyroscope assembly the net fo= rce is a forward motion.

Entirely believable. I'm dubious it works with= out touching the ground though. Objects don't randomly twist in space a= s they fall due to non-uniform weight distribution, which you'd need fo= r this to work in a general sense.

Just my $0.02 tho~

~
D.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Jerry= Volland <je= rryvolland@inbox.com> wrote:
I've posted a video to YouTube which sho= ws a couple of my Inertial Propulsion devices. =C2=A0Here's the link:
http://youtu.be/y= zaJuyPpBcs

And here's my web page, which also has the link:

http://thespaceoffi= ce.com

The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does exist.= =C2=A0It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust impulse. = =C2=A0As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my Levitat= ion Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. =C2=A0The motor tip= s backwards as the weights start to move forwards. =C2=A0This causes the we= ights to move above their normal plane of rotation. =C2=A0Lift results as t= he weights are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. =C2=A0The springs are = what pulls the motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession.
As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, they = produce the downwards hop. =C2=A0This happens when the weights are side by = side, near the middle. =C2=A0As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the = weights are pulled to a stop and moved upwards. =C2=A0This transfers their = momentum to the frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. =C2=A0The adv= antage of showing this effect in the air is that there is nothing to push a= gainst.

The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip backwards, r= elative to the base frame. =C2=A0This provides a control experiment which d= oes not produce forwards movement. =C2=A0However, there also is no spring. = =C2=A0The phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's inte= raction causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move downwards. = =C2=A0In the process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move higher= .

Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. =C2=A0Therefore, this is= an antigravity effect. =C2=A0This type of effect can't produce an incr= easing altitude. =C2=A0At the best, it can only prevent something from movi= ng downwards due to gravity. =C2=A0But a mechanical system which incorporat= es the phase shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additi= onal lift impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altit= ude indefinitely.

I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -= JV

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--0016e6de14fb18648204b5bcfaa0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 17:47:35 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q051lUnt013251; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:47:30 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q051lTuL013245; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:47:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:47:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Client-Authorized: MaGic Cook1e Message-ID: <4F050061.2070805@mindsync.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:44:01 -0600 From: Norm Silliman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <8FEBF4C0119.000009EFjerryvolland@inbox.com> In-Reply-To: <8FEBF4C0119.000009EFjerryvolland@inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 216.240.47.51 Resent-Message-ID: <53CMzC.A.4OD.xEQBPB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25826 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 508 Jerry, You said "I had hoped that you would discuss my video and work, rather than something unrelated to my subject matter." I applaud the work you are doing to stir-up interest in a space drive machine. But if I discuss your video, it is all down hill for you. Your machine does not work as you expected, and you are looking for someone to help you figure out what is wrong. I have been there and know the game. If you wish to show us that your machine really works, you have to run the pendulum test. Hang the machine from a tether, and run it continuously. Maybe you are not there yet. The flip-flop tells me that the ground is too much a necessary part of the action. The lurching motion depend on the friction with the "ground" to filter which way the apparent motion is going. Without the "ground" fiction, there is just oscillation (with NO net motion). And you bicycle wheel tethered from a tree also just shows gravity driven oscillation, (very nice back and forth but not what you really want) AND there are no trees in space. The main clue for me is how forces work. I assume that all forces are the manifestation of the flow of Aether. You have nothing that generates a flow of Aether. The reason my link doesn't discuss a Space Drive is because I haven't been able to get mine to work (yet) and no one else has either. Yours seems to have promise but it is not ready for prime time (per the arguments above). My argument about Newton's 3rd Law being no longer a limit will (hopefully) free up other peoples mind-set about what is possible that used to be impossible. My advice is to follow the physical evidence. And break down the tests to limit the boundary that forces the motion in one direction. I have been burned by that. Norm On 1/4/2012 3:49 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: > Norm, > > I had hoped that you would discuss my video and work, rather than something unrelated to my subject matter. > > The link you provide does not discuss a Space Drive, which is what I have. An accurate understanding also appears to be missing. Newton did in fact study the gyroscope. That's why his Second Law states: "When an unbalanced force acts upon a body, it's change in momentum is directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the resultant force". (Not "the applied force".) This allows the resultant force to be in a different direction than the applied force. > > The operation of a gyroscope is no mystery when you examine the addition of an applied velocity to the intrinsic velocity, on each side. One side speeds up, the other side slows down. This produces torque, which by definition is an off center rotation, relative to an external pivot point. So the applied force is redirected, in full compliance with the Laws of Motion. > > The referenced experiments deal with gyroscopic precession, which is a torque effect, rather than thrust. My device produces thrust, as proven by the Drop Test shown in my video. My second device produces an antigravity effect. Is that worthy of discussion? If not, then I can stop typing at this point. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 17:55:16 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q051t7M1016969; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:55:08 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q051t7mX016963; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:55:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:55:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:from:subject:to:content-type; b=lmVbR74cX6qKuaNoHVB9KUzNIkU/ZxainAGf29Kwwpx62lkR+BTKbQYLXflOTpjcOENe hmY0cexqCugDqRCqteJJQYpyrvOHruJ2q32PnXal7MjB+d3Muoa5dukcEnNQX9XTRP2mmZ Q1fHGlsBjOekOJkvqINeQBTMfG52255Lo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gdWbLxZwqXX5fELq0t0CqqbgKRyWrvXSkigL1s/CdcM=; b=J6NgSrSh3SaOCn2FU5JNFz6tz/hQxiMpb3HAl0KznkS8pGOKet8GK3i7NajSPxnC2MP7 T5tWDWgj6Qz15IdrI8t6ji3R4R8A3/NT5RBi94f4y2PSjl2YDw/IkLtte5PsPIE7lvjNHq KYcUSN3Zpvi8SQvHXC9XXSAkFBLYCAn2k= Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:51:54 -0800 Message-ID: <920AE1D2C5D.00000C85jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 69.171.160.247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: pJmofCEp95e_9BmiZqlRQefA7WzSHRZkb9Ng2F3hE2yVL-8LxQ1QBSS3XsZC UxKD-GNDBx95CiS7Z9ioTxa-JsGIBm8T_mwLx9Wmj4qIKzCEE-SiVfE5a8nh 9uy_4V2a4I_UjkzVd2nWO Resent-Message-ID: <8pAkyC.A.-IE.7LQBPB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25827 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 509 The gyroscope discussion was off topic. My machines don't have a gyro, = just two counter rotating weights. These weights normally revolve in a = plane which is perpendicular to the ends of the shafts, with this plane = containing the end points of both shafts. But with the phase shift = effect, the weights move up out of this plane of rotation. As the motor = is subsequently tipped forwards, the weights are pulled downwards, = producing lift as a reaction. When the big machine is in the air, the lift is towards one end, = supporting it. This allows gravity to continue tipping the unsupported = end, relative to the end which is being lifted. I use the term precession as if there is only a portion of the mass of a = gyroscope. In terms of two partial gyros, all of the mass is on the same = side of the counter rotating shafts. This eliminates the torque effects = which would arise with complete gyros on each shaft. And although the smaller machine is configured to produce a forwards = movement, there is no similar motion with the big machine. The big motor = doesn't tip backwards, relative to the base frame. So all the second = machine produces is lift. And the lift is caused by gravity. > -----Original Message----- > From: douglas.linder=40gmail.com > Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:26:01 +0800 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My Antigravity Video >=20 > If I understand correctly: >=20 > - Given an L shaped structure with a gyroscope assembly on the 'long end' > of the L, placed face up so the 'short end' of the L is touching the > ground. >=20 > - Gravity will attempt to tip the object so that all edges touch the > ground. >=20 > - Precession generates a rotation force on the object, but due to the > specific gyroscope assembly the net force is a forward motion. >=20 > Entirely believable. I'm dubious it works without touching the ground > though. Objects don't randomly twist in space as they fall due to > non-uniform weight distribution, which you'd need for this to work in a > general sense. >=20 > Just my =240.02 tho=7E >=20 > =7E > D. >=20 > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Jerry Volland > wrote: >=20 >> I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial >> Propulsion devices. Here's the link: >>=20 >> http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs >>=20 >> And here's my web page, which also has the link: >>=20 >> http://thespaceoffice.com >>=20 >> The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does >> exist. It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust >> impulse. >> As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my >> Levitation >> Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. The motor tips >> backwards as the weights start to move forwards. This causes the >> weights >> to move above their normal plane of rotation. Lift results as the >> weights >> are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. The springs are what pulls >> the >> motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession. >>=20 >> As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, >> they >> produce the downwards hop. This happens when the weights are side by >> side, >> near the middle. As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the weights >> are >> pulled to a stop and moved upwards. This transfers their momentum to >> the >> frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. The advantage of showing >> this effect in the air is that there is nothing to push against. >>=20 >> The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip >> backwards, >> relative to the base frame. This provides a control experiment which >> does >> not produce forwards movement. However, there also is no spring. The >> phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's interaction >> causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move downwards. In the >> process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move higher. >>=20 >> Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. Therefore, this is >> an >> antigravity effect. This type of effect can't produce an increasing >> altitude. At the best, it can only prevent something from moving >> downwards >> due to gravity. But a mechanical system which incorporates the phase >> shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional lift >> impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude >> indefinitely. >>=20 >> I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Share photos & screenshots in seconds... >> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 >> Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social >> networks. >>=20 >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop=21 Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 18:03:59 2012 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0523sRG001489; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:03:54 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id q0523rn3001471; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:03:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:03:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VLLqJJkSr24fXtKLkZenzkrPFuxSmPknUGB+1xSTWpg=; b=JuiSbX0tELn71dlOm7QQXHV45BovM4W1z1+Ql7CfkVtHW07BNBqBMw1W7ZR2WYSbTv eTBBp6x8Yn+GmiSjr5fuQVwn9nsvKkHC7TGZVGsMdPHhEYD0aitOGG3RyfFEEyUqJ+kF BvtTmZmW5fTMI7xffz5AtJ/wBvBZzzq649MN8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <920AE1D2C5D.00000C85jerryvolland@inbox.com> References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <920AE1D2C5D.00000C85jerryvolland@inbox.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:00:40 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video From: Doug To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdf903aa413f204b5be4c1e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25828 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 510 --000e0cdf903aa413f204b5be4c1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Jerry Volland wrote: > The gyroscope discussion was off topic. My machines don't have a gyro, > just two counter rotating weights. > That's what a gyroscope is. It doesn't have to be a disc; just a spinning or rotating mass. Still, whatever. I agree with the previous post; depends on contact with the ground in the video you put. Hang it from a string like a pendulum to demonstrate the motion properly. ~ Doug. --000e0cdf903aa413f204b5be4c1e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Jerry Volland <jerryvolland@inbox.com> wr= ote:
The gyroscope discussion was off topic. =C2=A0My machines don't have a = gyro, just two counter rotating weights. =C2=A0

That's what a gyroscope is.

It doesn&= #39;t have to be a disc; just a spinning or rotating mass.

Still, whatever. I agree with the previous post; depend= s on contact with the ground in the video you put.=C2=A0

Hang it from a string like a pendulum to demonstrate the motion prop= erly.

~
Doug.
--000e0cdf903aa413f204b5be4c1e-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 18:06:19 2012 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0526EeD004127; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:06:14 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id q0526DxJ004111; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:06:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:06:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z2jCXVPFPm3Vfe1l9V5kaYI6Jk5/HWPnep6tFLsQcxM=; b=gk1qWPWx9eR57im2R1AXlNDuH5q4lLyRdStfFe4xUyNPhSB0TkHUAAHO6f+g5SZind lFX1Aur0baUdV/erKB5AxkmtAipuIQfK29lA0MFQAUH6hpf3LzkiGdnTEAGJxLQmRV1N LEYi2lOAVVm8fvWP3aOsGCoHDQSXzBWlm8d1I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <920AE1D2C5D.00000C85jerryvolland@inbox.com> References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <920AE1D2C5D.00000C85jerryvolland@inbox.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video From: leaking pen To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25829 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 511 My machines don't have a gyro, just two counter rotating weights. These weights normally revolve in a plane which is perpendicular to the ends of the shafts, with this plane containing the end points of both shafts. Thaaats... A Gyroscope. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jerry Volland wrot= e: > The gyroscope discussion was off topic. =A0My machines don't have a gyro,= just two counter rotating weights. =A0These weights normally revolve in a = plane which is perpendicular to the ends of the shafts, with this plane con= taining the end points of both shafts. =A0But with the phase shift effect, = the weights move up out of this plane of rotation. =A0As the motor is subse= quently tipped forwards, the weights are pulled downwards, producing lift a= s a reaction. > > When the big machine is in the air, the lift is towards one end, supporti= ng it. =A0This allows gravity to continue tipping the unsupported end, rela= tive to the end which is being lifted. > > I use the term precession as if there is only a portion of the mass of a = gyroscope. =A0In terms of two partial gyros, all of the mass is on the same= side of the counter rotating shafts. =A0This eliminates the torque effects= which would arise with complete gyros on each shaft. > > And although the smaller machine is configured to produce a forwards move= ment, there is no similar motion with the big machine. =A0The big motor doe= sn't tip backwards, relative to the base frame. =A0So all the second machin= e produces is lift. =A0And the lift is caused by gravity. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: douglas.linder@gmail.com >> Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:26:01 +0800 >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video >> >> If I understand correctly: >> >> - Given an L shaped structure with a gyroscope assembly on the 'long end= ' >> of the L, placed face up so the 'short end' of the L is touching the >> ground. >> >> - Gravity will attempt to tip the object so that all edges touch the >> ground. >> >> - Precession generates a rotation force on the object, but due to the >> specific gyroscope assembly the net force is a forward motion. >> >> Entirely believable. I'm dubious it works without touching the ground >> though. Objects don't randomly twist in space as they fall due to >> non-uniform weight distribution, which you'd need for this to work in a >> general sense. >> >> Just my $0.02 tho~ >> >> ~ >> D. >> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Jerry Volland >> wrote: >> >>> I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial >>> Propulsion devices. =A0Here's the link: >>> >>> http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs >>> >>> And here's my web page, which also has the link: >>> >>> http://thespaceoffice.com >>> >>> The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does >>> exist. =A0It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust >>> impulse. >>> =A0As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my >>> Levitation >>> Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. =A0The motor tips >>> backwards as the weights start to move forwards. =A0This causes the >>> weights >>> to move above their normal plane of rotation. =A0Lift results as the >>> weights >>> are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. =A0The springs are what pulls >>> the >>> motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession. >>> >>> As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, >>> they >>> produce the downwards hop. =A0This happens when the weights are side by >>> side, >>> near the middle. =A0As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the weigh= ts >>> are >>> pulled to a stop and moved upwards. =A0This transfers their momentum to >>> the >>> frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. =A0The advantage of showi= ng >>> this effect in the air is that there is nothing to push against. >>> >>> The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip >>> backwards, >>> relative to the base frame. =A0This provides a control experiment which >>> does >>> not produce forwards movement. =A0However, there also is no spring. =A0= The >>> phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's interaction >>> causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move downwards. =A0In = the >>> process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move higher. >>> >>> Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. =A0Therefore, this i= s >>> an >>> antigravity effect. =A0This type of effect can't produce an increasing >>> altitude. =A0At the best, it can only prevent something from moving >>> downwards >>> due to gravity. =A0But a mechanical system which incorporates the phase >>> shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional lift >>> impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude >>> indefinitely. >>> >>> I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Share photos & screenshots in seconds... >>> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 >>> Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social >>> networks. >>> >>> >>> > > ____________________________________________________________ > FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! > Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 18:21:12 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q052L8Eb000772; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:21:08 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q052L3Vs000710; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:21:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:21:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:from:subject:to:content-type; b=dNnKB/XasX4nOEENVwzdPKC7IzHx+ZBt3WGeQUu5C9yW2BktvbpsEEOkNj2PLmnfKC/l wTufczdrQdkuObuP6mUI97RbgM4PmV9BO3R2FVQodqP68NJPArOeOH0XLghzx6SQc1meKV Zc1LwREkY/PdEuG/WK5+2u94Lf/igk+0k= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MjvxFePJnHEKnsaK9TYQFdOhaxLlVaCqBzRfzX9oHco=; b=fnX7QvHnQz4G0r0gqlvW/ZjZaigIK6HTlSNJ0kVfViMRNbZbEeqtXf0qlN8bdmI0o09I ThwN0sG++BCzyEH0SYrPzjBCj73QAaQ+tVP58idgDGtfs8uI59UO1Bxrsf+qdH98iN/3Bi 44YXKmTyQdDC5I8GFnSkV+kCIQpn3qg94= Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:17:51 -0800 Message-ID: <9244DDD8961.00000CB8jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <4F050061.2070805@mindsync.com> References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <8febf4c0119.000009efjerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 69.171.160.247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: LxATj8jhoSkDVH2Ggjrh-ak8-Rcuwl5bH1b5Rz_vV1U-GR9r2Wx3AjL-pbgy MksGWevDJN-63nxKHLR3iSJpaB0T9bijkMvwJWvVlpBCGcEzGaeQABvBIy6f MYOgC4EPkSWLHihQu5cqk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25830 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 512 I have recently conducted a pendulum test with the smaller unit, and it = passed. This was a swinging pendulum, with the thrust perpendicular to = the swing, at or near the high point. With this test, gravity can't pull = the device back to its starting point when it's between thrust impulses. = I've read a paper titled =22Discontinuous Thrust Orbit Transfer Using = Solar Power=22, which was a commissioned study. The draw back to your = 'plumb bob' test is that it will produce a false negative when the thrust = is discontinuous, or only periodically applied. Even when the tested = device can in fact change a satellite's orbit. I hope this information = helps you prove your own device at some point. But keep in mind that a = drop test is the best proof of all, short of taking it out to space. = There is no =22ground friction=22 in the air. Also, I would point out that all movement, and inertia itself, is related = to the ether. Presuming that by ether you mean the ZPE field, as is = customarily used lately. A few years ago, Alfonso Rueda derived Newton's = Third Law from advanced ZPE equations. Also, my bicycle wheel is not just tethered from a tree. It actually has = two pivot points, one above and one below. When it speeds up, it pivots = around the top point. When it slows down, it pivots around the bottom = point. It speeds up and slows down, moving in the same direction both = times. Then it's pulled back and repeats, increasing the momentum it = transfers to the support. Thanks for looking at that page. There are = links to a variety of pictures near the top. Good luck with your research. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: silliman=40mindsync.com > Sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:44:01 -0600 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My Antigravity Video >=20 > Jerry, >=20 > You said =22I had hoped that you would discuss my video > and work, rather than something unrelated to my subject matter.=22 >=20 > I applaud the work you are doing to stir-up interest in > a space drive machine. >=20 > But if I discuss your video, it is all down hill for you. > Your machine does not work as you expected, and you are looking for > someone to help you figure out what is wrong. I have been there and > know the game. >=20 > If you wish to show us that your machine really works, you > have to run the pendulum test. Hang the machine from a tether, > and run it continuously. Maybe you are not there yet. >=20 > The flip-flop tells me that the ground is too much > a necessary part of the action. The lurching motion depend on the > friction with the =22ground=22 to filter which way the apparent motion > is going. Without the =22ground=22 fiction, there is just oscillation > (with NO net motion). >=20 > And you bicycle wheel tethered from a tree also just shows > gravity driven oscillation, (very nice back and forth but not what you > really want) AND there are no trees in space. >=20 > The main clue for me is how forces work. I assume that > all forces are the manifestation of the flow of Aether. You have > nothing that generates a flow of Aether. >=20 > The reason my link doesn't discuss a Space Drive is because I > haven't been able to > get mine to work (yet) and no one else has either. Yours seems to have > promise but it > is not ready for prime time (per the arguments above). >=20 > My argument about Newton's 3rd Law being no longer a limit will > (hopefully) > free up other peoples mind-set about what is possible that used to be > impossible. >=20 > My advice is to follow the physical evidence. And break down the > tests to limit the > boundary that forces the motion in one direction. >=20 > I have been burned by that. >=20 > Norm >=20 >=20 > On 1/4/2012 3:49 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: >> Norm, >>=20 >> I had hoped that you would discuss my video and work, rather than >> something unrelated to my subject matter. >>=20 >> The link you provide does not discuss a Space Drive, which is what I >> have. An accurate understanding also appears to be missing. Newton did >> in fact study the gyroscope. That's why his Second Law states: =22When >> an unbalanced force acts upon a body, it's change in momentum is >> directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the resultant >> force=22. (Not =22the applied force=22.) This allows the resultant = force to >> be in a different direction than the applied force. >>=20 >> The operation of a gyroscope is no mystery when you examine the addition >> of an applied velocity to the intrinsic velocity, on each side. One >> side speeds up, the other side slows down. This produces torque, which >> by definition is an off center rotation, relative to an external pivot >> point. So the applied force is redirected, in full compliance with the >> Laws of Motion. >>=20 >> The referenced experiments deal with gyroscopic precession, which is a >> torque effect, rather than thrust. My device produces thrust, as proven >> by the Drop Test shown in my video. My second device produces an >> antigravity effect. Is that worthy of discussion? If not, then I can >> stop typing at this point. >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ Share photos & screenshots in seconds... TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 18:28:38 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q052SVgt003876; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:28:31 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q052SUAS003871; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:28:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:28:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:from:subject:to:content-type; b=VoSTg1cQ7UyNYlP+tR8244YS/BoeBG2d9mTvSAanov2kP2Sah9jr7E8Ib9szUJzuKsBD EnWNyYFJICj1GdN0ASlsfQazLpPPvBGUitFxU9gQEzYnYotVbWEZ1AzGHHHymocs4BtcI8 7NGJv295tTkxLMJ78VpgzbkPcipScm2vE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zKKi4dUsy7LPsShMNRTaHNbVb7VOMWmnQF9jxPWyCWU=; b=St13/+6tG/R/Txt0M/5pZm8j7CTzqupNR5ykR3H3B1+iJWRP7H8Cbp4s31o3bcHqPiId N5TTLrB4S0hBFabXYPjiohJLKTw1/8zzAd9BRoeNjXTqiLWIdpHiiS6Br+m1+bBlKVR2Xt zNXKVN/N5xUWugqw6vGpp93dU5UtCp6X0= Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:25:18 -0800 Message-ID: <925588C0F6D.00000CC8jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <920ae1d2c5d.00000c85jerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 69.171.160.247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: LxATj8jhoSkDZE2Ggjrh-ak8-Rcuwl5bH1b5Rz_vV1U6GOtqNVGq_-cqpbgy MksGXe_DJN-63nxKHLR3iSJpaB0T9bijkMvwJWvVlpBCGcEzGaeQABvBIy6f MYOgC4EDlS2bKgxQu5cqk Resent-Message-ID: <2-9WAC.A.a8.OrQBPB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25831 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 513 A gyroscope has to have at least two opposing masses, one on each side of = the same shaft. (They can be on hinges.) Otherwise, it's a weighted = spoke. As in centrifugal force. Even when there are two counter rotating = shafts, each with a single spoke. > -----Original Message----- > From: itsatrap=40gmail.com > Sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:03:01 -0700 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My Antigravity Video >=20 > My machines don't have a gyro, just two counter rotating weights. > These weights normally revolve in a plane which is perpendicular to > the ends of the shafts, with this plane containing the end points of > both shafts. >=20 > Thaaats... A Gyroscope. >=20 > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jerry Volland > wrote: >> The gyroscope discussion was off topic. =C2=A0My machines don't have a = gyro, >> just two counter rotating weights. =C2=A0These weights normally revolve = in a >> plane which is perpendicular to the ends of the shafts, with this plane >> containing the end points of both shafts. =C2=A0But with the phase shift >> effect, the weights move up out of this plane of rotation. =C2=A0As the = motor >> is subsequently tipped forwards, the weights are pulled downwards, >> producing lift as a reaction. >>=20 >> When the big machine is in the air, the lift is towards one end, >> supporting it. =C2=A0This allows gravity to continue tipping the = unsupported >> end, relative to the end which is being lifted. >>=20 >> I use the term precession as if there is only a portion of the mass of a >> gyroscope. =C2=A0In terms of two partial gyros, all of the mass is on the >> same side of the counter rotating shafts. =C2=A0This eliminates the = torque >> effects which would arise with complete gyros on each shaft. >>=20 >> And although the smaller machine is configured to produce a forwards >> movement, there is no similar motion with the big machine. =C2=A0The big >> motor doesn't tip backwards, relative to the base frame. =C2=A0So all the >> second machine produces is lift. =C2=A0And the lift is caused by gravity. >>=20 >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: douglas.linder=40gmail.com >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:26:01 +0800 >>> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >>> Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My Antigravity Video >>>=20 >>> If I understand correctly: >>>=20 >>> - Given an L shaped structure with a gyroscope assembly on the 'long >>> end' >>> of the L, placed face up so the 'short end' of the L is touching the >>> ground. >>>=20 >>> - Gravity will attempt to tip the object so that all edges touch the >>> ground. >>>=20 >>> - Precession generates a rotation force on the object, but due to the >>> specific gyroscope assembly the net force is a forward motion. >>>=20 >>> Entirely believable. I'm dubious it works without touching the ground >>> though. Objects don't randomly twist in space as they fall due to >>> non-uniform weight distribution, which you'd need for this to work in a >>> general sense. >>>=20 >>> Just my =240.02 tho=7E >>>=20 >>> =7E >>> D. >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Jerry Volland >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I've posted a video to YouTube which shows a couple of my Inertial >>>> Propulsion devices. =C2=A0Here's the link: >>>>=20 >>>> http://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs >>>>=20 >>>> And here's my web page, which also has the link: >>>>=20 >>>> http://thespaceoffice.com >>>>=20 >>>> The first prototype in the video shows that Inertial Propulsion does >>>> exist. =C2=A0It jumps into the air, then produces a horizontal thrust >>>> impulse. >>>> =C2=A0As I discussed on this forum back in 2002, with regards to my >>>> Levitation >>>> Machine, this device uses a phase shifted rotation. =C2=A0The motor = tips >>>> backwards as the weights start to move forwards. =C2=A0This causes the >>>> weights >>>> to move above their normal plane of rotation. =C2=A0Lift results as the >>>> weights >>>> are pulled back down, ahead of the motor. =C2=A0The springs are what = pulls >>>> the >>>> motor into a forwards tip I call phase shifted precession. >>>>=20 >>>> As the weights move on around, while the machine is still in the air, >>>> they >>>> produce the downwards hop. =C2=A0This happens when the weights are = side by >>>> side, >>>> near the middle. =C2=A0As the motor begins a second reverse tip, the >>>> weights >>>> are >>>> pulled to a stop and moved upwards. =C2=A0This transfers their = momentum to >>>> the >>>> frame, carrying it forwards as it drops down. =C2=A0The advantage of >>>> showing >>>> this effect in the air is that there is nothing to push against. >>>>=20 >>>> The second machine is not configured to allow the motor to tip >>>> backwards, >>>> relative to the base frame. =C2=A0This provides a control experiment = which >>>> does >>>> not produce forwards movement. =C2=A0However, there also is no = spring. =C2=A0The >>>> phase shifted precession is caused strictly by gravity's interaction >>>> causing the unsupported end of the base frame to move downwards. = =C2=A0In >>>> the >>>> process, both sides of the motor's metal frame move higher. >>>>=20 >>>> Gravity pulling down on it is what makes it go up. =C2=A0Therefore, = this is >>>> an >>>> antigravity effect. =C2=A0This type of effect can't produce an = increasing >>>> altitude. =C2=A0At the best, it can only prevent something from moving >>>> downwards >>>> due to gravity. =C2=A0But a mechanical system which incorporates the = phase >>>> shifted precession can act quickly enough to produce an additional >>>> lift >>>> impulse before it drops back to the ground, thereby gaining altitude >>>> indefinitely. >>>>=20 >>>> I've Open Sourced this technology, and it's in the Public Domain. -JV >>>>=20 >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> Share photos & screenshots in seconds... >>>> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 >>>> Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social >>>> networks. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ >> FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop=21 >> Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ Publish your photos in seconds for FREE TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif4 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 19:24:43 2012 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q053Oauu016755; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:24:36 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id q053OZbU016748; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:24:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:24:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Client-Authorized: MaGic Cook1e Message-ID: <4F051720.6030404@mindsync.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:21:04 -0600 From: Norm Silliman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <8febf4c0119.000009efjerryvolland@inbox.com> <9244DDD8961.00000CB8jerryvolland@inbox.com> In-Reply-To: <9244DDD8961.00000CB8jerryvolland@inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 216.240.47.51 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25832 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 514 Jerry, Now that I know you have rotating blobs moving in an arc, we may have something to talk about. Rotating blobs ("just two counter rotating weights, revolving in a plane which is perpendicular to the ends of the shafts") (better known as gyroscopes) do strange things when forced against its procession path. But I have had poor results with counter rotating gyroscopes on the same shaft, and I don't know why. About your bicycle wheel on TWO pivot points, while it is increasing its momentum by swinging, is it able to move the "frame" of the upper and lower supports of these two pivot points? And is this "frame" movement uni-directional? That means you take the "tree" with you. Yes, I mean Aether, its real name. Just because "others" customarily use the term ZPE field (because Einstein forbade the use of the term "ether"). I guess Alfonso Rueda needed to explain some Aether effects and had to use the name with no value attached to it (to be able to publish). Can you repeat your test of the smaller unit and take videos. Or, just pictures of the construction details? Thanks in advance, Norm On 1/4/2012 8:17 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: > I have recently conducted a pendulum test with the smaller unit, and it passed. This was a swinging pendulum, with the thrust perpendicular to the swing, at or near the high point. With this test, gravity can't pull the device back to its starting point when it's between thrust impulses. I've read a paper titled "Discontinuous Thrust Orbit Transfer Using Solar Power", which was a commissioned study. The draw back to your 'plumb bob' test is that it will produce a false negative when the thrust is discontinuous, or only periodically applied. Even when the tested device can in fact change a satellite's orbit. I hope this information helps you prove your own device at some point. But keep in mind that a drop test is the best proof of all, short of taking it out to space. There is no "ground friction" in the air. > > Also, I would point out that all movement, and inertia itself, is related to the ether. Presuming that by ether you mean the ZPE field, as is customarily used lately. A few years ago, Alfonso Rueda derived Newton's Third Law from advanced ZPE equations. > > Also, my bicycle wheel is not just tethered from a tree. It actually has two pivot points, one above and one below. When it speeds up, it pivots around the top point. When it slows down, it pivots around the bottom point. It speeds up and slows down, moving in the same direction both times. Then it's pulled back and repeats, increasing the momentum it transfers to the support. Thanks for looking at that page. There are links to a variety of pictures near the top. > > Good luck with your research. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: silliman@mindsync.com >> Sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:44:01 -0600 >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video >> >> Jerry, >> >> You said "I had hoped that you would discuss my video >> and work, rather than something unrelated to my subject matter." >> >> I applaud the work you are doing to stir-up interest in >> a space drive machine. >> >> But if I discuss your video, it is all down hill for you. >> Your machine does not work as you expected, and you are looking for >> someone to help you figure out what is wrong. I have been there and >> know the game. >> >> If you wish to show us that your machine really works, you >> have to run the pendulum test. Hang the machine from a tether, >> and run it continuously. Maybe you are not there yet. >> >> The flip-flop tells me that the ground is too much >> a necessary part of the action. The lurching motion depend on the >> friction with the "ground" to filter which way the apparent motion >> is going. Without the "ground" fiction, there is just oscillation >> (with NO net motion). >> >> And you bicycle wheel tethered from a tree also just shows >> gravity driven oscillation, (very nice back and forth but not what you >> really want) AND there are no trees in space. >> >> The main clue for me is how forces work. I assume that >> all forces are the manifestation of the flow of Aether. You have >> nothing that generates a flow of Aether. >> >> The reason my link doesn't discuss a Space Drive is because I >> haven't been able to >> get mine to work (yet) and no one else has either. Yours seems to have >> promise but it >> is not ready for prime time (per the arguments above). >> >> My argument about Newton's 3rd Law being no longer a limit will >> (hopefully) >> free up other peoples mind-set about what is possible that used to be >> impossible. >> >> My advice is to follow the physical evidence. And break down the >> tests to limit the >> boundary that forces the motion in one direction. >> >> I have been burned by that. >> >> Norm >> >> >> On 1/4/2012 3:49 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: >>> Norm, >>> >>> I had hoped that you would discuss my video and work, rather than >>> something unrelated to my subject matter. >>> >>> The link you provide does not discuss a Space Drive, which is what I >>> have. An accurate understanding also appears to be missing. Newton did >>> in fact study the gyroscope. That's why his Second Law states: "When >>> an unbalanced force acts upon a body, it's change in momentum is >>> directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the resultant >>> force". (Not "the applied force".) This allows the resultant force to >>> be in a different direction than the applied force. >>> >>> The operation of a gyroscope is no mystery when you examine the addition >>> of an applied velocity to the intrinsic velocity, on each side. One >>> side speeds up, the other side slows down. This produces torque, which >>> by definition is an off center rotation, relative to an external pivot >>> point. So the applied force is redirected, in full compliance with the >>> Laws of Motion. >>> >>> The referenced experiments deal with gyroscopic precession, which is a >>> torque effect, rather than thrust. My device produces thrust, as proven >>> by the Drop Test shown in my video. My second device produces an >>> antigravity effect. Is that worthy of discussion? If not, then I can >>> stop typing at this point. >>> >>> > ____________________________________________________________ > Share photos& screenshots in seconds... > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if1 > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 4 20:08:26 2012 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0548MlL027706; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:08:22 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id q0545dnk025451; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:05:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:05:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:from:subject:to:content-type; b=oWXH67zmlJea4w1jqASBQELWxPvy678tGKFyzBypOQtiLpAn5jHE70+YihW22znqLodj s/2rgBPJDwODjLOW6j/7K+wkhXF7JEeORUjcVmWoH6H06+vbNDlLjQC1ngQAfbNuF6QFDJ YwW+hdeaB6glofAcR+yrdhrYCY8E34vZY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YLd0LF9at1btcTPZVKeFnMVGoJ95p+YP0krjm3PXZJA=; b=EZPJmBMy5IRFwWkRxQ/mKIyIjCoNINlcotokAGEYQYyDMxR/cy+Wn2TTv+OpzO3uDn7Y 5q5RBx0PMy2+9FIj6ywdZBH0x//RIvmcr0QGo5Lk9YaMncrGJhVZxQRDuYBmUN4O2QyzlY kQLfZrjBbqx5dkUGkvseFSEYl8eoFs8RE= Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:01:58 -0800 Message-ID: <932D98732C3.00000DB2jerryvolland@inbox.com> From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: My Antigravity Video To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <4F051720.6030404@mindsync.com> References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <8febf4c0119.000009efjerryvolland@inbox.com> <9244ddd8961.00000cb8jerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 69.171.160.19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: VZeOnlX8acT9F8erPrPiYyi2JzNLfToQ03M1jXPqOqrYYcY2dtpZx0ts-7ry QC_ArYLVNqXMLR-l6fqQx9H5AuyT3NdF1TNAuvWJE4GjI7sNm7WHJR6xWb8K YCyHvyK5qvD2ejuTh_cca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25833 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 515 The bicycle wheel does move the frames. The bottom frame swings with it = and the top frame nearly tips over when the wheel stops turning, or slows = down quickly, jerking the tether further out. This movement is = unidirectional. If the wheel is pulled back to its starting point before = it starts speeding up again, this action can't produce a thrust in either = direction. I am working towards a video of my pendulum test. I'm currently checking = different configurations to see what works better than the others. I = might send you the video, if you agree to not publicly post it. The same = with a picture, since it shows a configuration which hasn't been published = more than a year ago. Someone who sees it could file for a patent on it, = under the new =22first to file=22 regulations. You no longer have to be = the original inventor to get a patent. With the test itself, the machine changed the pendulum's swing in exactly = the same way the swing was changed when I just let it swing up to me, then = thumped it on the bottom. This caused it to move off to the side, whether = running or being thumped. I turned it on, then back off. There was no = reverse movement, relative to the thrust impulse. The pendulum's swing = remained changed afterwards. Luckily, a single impulse, without a reverse = movement, is all that's needed. I had it hanging from one side, and it = started twisting back and forth after the impulse. I had to carefully = time the next impulse, which produced a greater change in the swinging. =20 I've studied my big machine for 18 years now. The only help I need with = it is someone who might want to be the CEO of a Space Operations Company. = And who will work for free until he gets some funding for the company. > -----Original Message----- > From: silliman=40mindsync.com > Sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:21:04 -0600 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My Antigravity Video >=20 > Jerry, >=20 > Now that I know you have rotating blobs moving in an arc, we > may have something > to talk about. Rotating blobs (=22just two counter rotating weights, > revolving in a plane which > is perpendicular to the ends of the shafts=22) (better known as > gyroscopes) do strange things > when forced against its procession path. >=20 > But I have had poor results with counter rotating gyroscopes on > the same shaft, and I > don't know why. >=20 > About your bicycle wheel on TWO pivot points, while it is > increasing its momentum by > swinging, is it able to move the =22frame=22 of the upper and lower = supports > of these > two pivot points? And is this =22frame=22 movement uni-directional? That > means you take the > =22tree=22 with you. >=20 > Yes, I mean Aether, its real name. Just because =22others=22 > customarily use the term > ZPE field (because Einstein forbade the use of the term =22ether=22). I > guess Alfonso Rueda > needed to explain some Aether effects and had to use the name with no > value attached > to it (to be able to publish). >=20 > Can you repeat your test of the smaller unit and take videos. > Or, just pictures of the > construction details? >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > Norm >=20 > On 1/4/2012 8:17 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: >> I have recently conducted a pendulum test with the smaller unit, and it >> passed. This was a swinging pendulum, with the thrust perpendicular to >> the swing, at or near the high point. With this test, gravity can't >> pull the device back to its starting point when it's between thrust >> impulses. I've read a paper titled =22Discontinuous Thrust Orbit = Transfer >> Using Solar Power=22, which was a commissioned study. The draw back to >> your 'plumb bob' test is that it will produce a false negative when the >> thrust is discontinuous, or only periodically applied. Even when the >> tested device can in fact change a satellite's orbit. I hope this >> information helps you prove your own device at some point. But keep in >> mind that a drop test is the best proof of all, short of taking it out >> to space. There is no =22ground friction=22 in the air. >>=20 >> Also, I would point out that all movement, and inertia itself, is >> related to the ether. Presuming that by ether you mean the ZPE field, >> as is customarily used lately. A few years ago, Alfonso Rueda derived >> Newton's Third Law from advanced ZPE equations. >>=20 >> Also, my bicycle wheel is not just tethered from a tree. It actually >> has two pivot points, one above and one below. When it speeds up, it >> pivots around the top point. When it slows down, it pivots around the >> bottom point. It speeds up and slows down, moving in the same direction >> both times. Then it's pulled back and repeats, increasing the momentum >> it transfers to the support. Thanks for looking at that page. There >> are links to a variety of pictures near the top. >>=20 >> Good luck with your research. >>=20 >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: silliman=40mindsync.com >>> Sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:44:01 -0600 >>> To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com >>> Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My Antigravity Video >>>=20 >>> Jerry, >>>=20 >>> You said =22I had hoped that you would discuss my video >>> and work, rather than something unrelated to my subject matter.=22 >>>=20 >>> I applaud the work you are doing to stir-up interest in >>> a space drive machine. >>>=20 >>> But if I discuss your video, it is all down hill for you. >>> Your machine does not work as you expected, and you are looking for >>> someone to help you figure out what is wrong. I have been there and >>> know the game. >>>=20 >>> If you wish to show us that your machine really works, you >>> have to run the pendulum test. Hang the machine from a tether, >>> and run it continuously. Maybe you are not there yet. >>>=20 >>> The flip-flop tells me that the ground is too much >>> a necessary part of the action. The lurching motion depend on the >>> friction with the =22ground=22 to filter which way the apparent motion >>> is going. Without the =22ground=22 fiction, there is just oscillation >>> (with NO net motion). >>>=20 >>> And you bicycle wheel tethered from a tree also just shows >>> gravity driven oscillation, (very nice back and forth but not what you >>> really want) AND there are no trees in space. >>>=20 >>> The main clue for me is how forces work. I assume that >>> all forces are the manifestation of the flow of Aether. You have >>> nothing that generates a flow of Aether. >>>=20 >>> The reason my link doesn't discuss a Space Drive is because I >>> haven't been able to >>> get mine to work (yet) and no one else has either. Yours seems to have >>> promise but it >>> is not ready for prime time (per the arguments above). >>>=20 >>> My argument about Newton's 3rd Law being no longer a limit will >>> (hopefully) >>> free up other peoples mind-set about what is possible that used to be >>> impossible. >>>=20 >>> My advice is to follow the physical evidence. And break down the >>> tests to limit the >>> boundary that forces the motion in one direction. >>>=20 >>> I have been burned by that. >>>=20 >>> Norm >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 1/4/2012 3:49 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: >>>> Norm, >>>>=20 >>>> I had hoped that you would discuss my video and work, rather than >>>> something unrelated to my subject matter. >>>>=20 >>>> The link you provide does not discuss a Space Drive, which is what I >>>> have. An accurate understanding also appears to be missing. Newton >>>> did >>>> in fact study the gyroscope. That's why his Second Law states: = =22When >>>> an unbalanced force acts upon a body, it's change in momentum is >>>> directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the resultant >>>> force=22. (Not =22the applied force=22.) This allows the resultant = force >>>> to >>>> be in a different direction than the applied force. >>>>=20 >>>> The operation of a gyroscope is no mystery when you examine the >>>> addition >>>> of an applied velocity to the intrinsic velocity, on each side. One >>>> side speeds up, the other side slows down. This produces torque, >>>> which >>>> by definition is an off center rotation, relative to an external pivot >>>> point. So the applied force is redirected, in full compliance with >>>> the >>>> Laws of Motion. >>>>=20 >>>> The referenced experiments deal with gyroscopic precession, which is a >>>> torque effect, rather than thrust. My device produces thrust, as >>>> proven >>>> by the Drop Test shown in my video. My second device produces an >>>> antigravity effect. Is that worthy of discussion? If not, then I can >>>> stop typing at this point. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Share photos& screenshots in seconds... >> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 >> Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social >> networks. >>=20 >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ Share photos & screenshots in seconds... TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif1 Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 6 08:36:23 2012 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q06GaIeI017262; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:36:18 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id q06GaC9n017151; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:36:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:36:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Client-Authorized: MaGic Cook1e Message-ID: <4F07222E.7030405@mindsync.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:32:46 -0600 From: Norm Silliman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: My bicycle wheel frame References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <8febf4c0119.000009efjerryvolland@inbox.com> <9244ddd8961.00000cb8jerryvolland@inbox.com> <932D98732C3.00000DB2jerryvolland@inbox.com> In-Reply-To: <932D98732C3.00000DB2jerryvolland@inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 216.240.47.51 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25834 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 516 Jerry, You see the wheel mechanism as the frame (two frames). My question was about the "swing-type suspension frame", ie 'the tree". I think the "tree" absorbs a large amount of the "reaction forces". I have found that when you constrain the movement of force, it is too easy to assume that the constrained movement is "the movement". Your disclaimer at the top of your Inertia Prime Mover page is really true, "producing thrust mechanically is tricky". More generally, producing thrust is complicated and expensive. The prime example is the Jet Engine. I looked at some of your pictures you provided on the Inertia Prime Mover page, and found them too fuzzy (out of focus?) to be useful. Do you have "better" images of those examples? I agree to keep them secret. Thanks, Norm On 1/4/2012 10:01 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: > The bicycle wheel does move the frames. The bottom frame swings with it and the top frame nearly tips over when the wheel stops turning, or slows down quickly, jerking the tether further out. This movement is unidirectional. If the wheel is pulled back to its starting point before it starts speeding up again, this action can't produce a thrust in either direction. > > I am working towards a video of my pendulum test. I'm currently checking different configurations to see what works better than the others. I might send you the video, if you agree to not publicly post it. The same with a picture, since it shows a configuration which hasn't been published more than a year ago. Someone who sees it could file for a patent on it, under the new "first to file" regulations. You no longer have to be the original inventor to get a patent. > > With the test itself, the machine changed the pendulum's swing in exactly the same way the swing was changed when I just let it swing up to me, then thumped it on the bottom. This caused it to move off to the side, whether running or being thumped. I turned it on, then back off. There was no reverse movement, relative to the thrust impulse. The pendulum's swing remained changed afterwards. Luckily, a single impulse, without a reverse movement, is all that's needed. I had it hanging from one side, and it started twisting back and forth after the impulse. I had to carefully time the next impulse, which produced a greater change in the swinging. > > I've studied my big machine for 18 years now. The only help I need with it is someone who might want to be the CEO of a Space Operations Company. And who will work for free until he gets some funding for the company. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 6 13:39:59 2012 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q06Ldsqu014705; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:39:54 -0800 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.14.2/8.12.10/Submit) id q06Ldlg2014606; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:39:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:39:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com using -f DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:from:subject:to:content-type; b=Y0s79H73uJhLTkQJ+APuIT3vVKNIFU/4hca2s0Jq82TBc189/9MOcVN5hAqVC3UBud+u C1ER6GfO+4iqsBlQ0zRlUXO59+ILXqhCKYpUfZNVk5qHpXnm5XRHThFNmsbJK6+p1vPXhc cgc6EPW/yE+ilWYDIetc+fJlcrWS0ka/Y= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; d=inbox.com; s=s1; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZLpwiXeu9cPkwgT00kQugjRHUr20NJFyYpkECIgyUYI=; b=R0ReVR/L8APOio7Y0IXwcuGQ9iaB+Erb9G0EmiJbX/4Im3HF25CtacaGrgjVDR12X4XU M+rIyhMT0UJ+C2PJ5B0rme09wBohQYtuZTcnlF1WGlK1PmYITMbaEK3P36NGQsH0w2abMw tty+HeKPH6PSswosY/2u0E20ZmnVfB0bk= Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:36:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jerry Volland Subject: Re: [FG]: My bicycle wheel frame To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <4F07222E.7030405@mindsync.com> References: <8e1b720ec6f.0000072fjerryvolland@inbox.com> <8febf4c0119.000009efjerryvolland@inbox.com> <932d98732c3.00000db2jerryvolland@inbox.com> <9244ddd8961.00000cb8jerryvolland@inbox.com> X-Mailer: INBOX.COM X-Originating-IP: 69.171.160.119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IWM-ACU: sRhxT86THODvLqjNEDvR2Fg6AQJkZ9eFxUXYFkBJHhsj3MVUONUHCvIuKxNO FFYe1oIdGkTfR-T4fz4avvUoli56_gFbvyiK9j9lGyxkLqE6oZWpj_zdsqz_ 9SHi-IfMnizBGxnCTIwG- Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25835 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 517 Norm, Your concern about what you call =22reaction forces=22 is a valid = consideration. That's why I refer to the tether as a rope when I discuss = the effects I've observed with this system. As far as I've been able to = figure out, the top of the rope can't push backwards against the tree. = This is true even if you pull the bottom of the rope forwards. It can't = transmit a reverse force to the suspension. All it can do is PULL, = forwards and downwards. And the downwards forces cancel with the tandem = units shown in Figure 4. Thanks for the feedback about the poor quality of my pictures. Those are = the only ones I have, but I may try to get some better focus in the future. > -----Original Message----- > From: silliman=40mindsync.com > Sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:32:46 -0600 > To: freenrg-l=40eskimo.com > Subject: Re: =5BFG=5D: My bicycle wheel frame >=20 > Jerry, >=20 > You see the wheel mechanism as the frame (two frames). My > question was about > the =22swing-type suspension frame=22, ie 'the tree=22. I think the = =22tree=22 > absorbs a large amount > of the =22reaction forces=22. I have found that when you constrain the > movement of force, it is > too easy to assume that the constrained movement is =22the movement=22. >=20 > Your disclaimer at the top of your Inertia Prime Mover page is > really true, =22producing thrust > mechanically is tricky=22. More generally, producing thrust is > complicated and expensive. The > prime example is the Jet Engine. >=20 > I looked at some of your pictures you provided on the Inertia > Prime Mover page, and > found them too fuzzy (out of focus?) to be useful. Do you have = =22better=22 > images of those > examples? I agree to keep them secret. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Norm >=20 > On 1/4/2012 10:01 PM, Jerry Volland wrote: >> The bicycle wheel does move the frames. The bottom frame swings with it >> and the top frame nearly tips over when the wheel stops turning, or >> slows down quickly, jerking the tether further out. This movement is >> unidirectional. If the wheel is pulled back to its starting point >> before it starts speeding up again, this action can't produce a thrust >> in either direction. >>=20 >> I am working towards a video of my pendulum test. I'm currently >> checking different configurations to see what works better than the >> others. I might send you the video, if you agree to not publicly post >> it. The same with a picture, since it shows a configuration which >> hasn't been published more than a year ago. Someone who sees it could >> file for a patent on it, under the new =22first to file=22 regulations. = You >> no longer have to be the original inventor to get a patent. >>=20 >> With the test itself, the machine changed the pendulum's swing in >> exactly the same way the swing was changed when I just let it swing up >> to me, then thumped it on the bottom. This caused it to move off to the >> side, whether running or being thumped. I turned it on, then back off. >> There was no reverse movement, relative to the thrust impulse. The >> pendulum's swing remained changed afterwards. Luckily, a single >> impulse, without a reverse movement, is all that's needed. I had it >> hanging from one side, and it started twisting back and forth after the >> impulse. I had to carefully time the next impulse, which produced a >> greater change in the swinging. >>=20 >> I've studied my big machine for 18 years now. The only help I need with >> it is someone who might want to be the CEO of a Space Operations >> Company. And who will work for free until he gets some funding for the >> company. >>=20 >> ____________________________________________________________ TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=3Dif5 Capture screenshots, upload images, edit and send them to your friends through IMs, post on Twitter=C2=AE, Facebook=C2=AE, MySpace=E2=84=A2, = LinkedIn=C2=AE =E2=80=93 FAST=21 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 22 01:00:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mx2.eskimo.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Original-To: bilb@eskimo.com Delivered-To: bilb@eskimo.com Received: from mx2.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.eskimo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F7140EB8; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 01:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx2.eskimo.com (Postfix, from userid 36987) id B717940ECC; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 01:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Delivered-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: <20190422080008.D7FCF40989@mx2.eskimo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: nanook@eskimo.com X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Resent-Message-ID: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25840 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Testing List Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 01:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 520 This is a test of the list. 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 8 01:47:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mx2.eskimo.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Original-To: bilb@eskimo.com Delivered-To: bilb@eskimo.com Received: from mx2.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.eskimo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5128B414D6; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 01:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx2.eskimo.com (Postfix, from userid 36987) id 2027D40B87; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 01:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Delivered-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: <20190608084656.F193640B87@mx2.eskimo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 01:46:27 -0700 (PDT) From: nanook@eskimo.com X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Resent-Message-ID: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25845 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: List Test Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 01:47:14 -0700 (PDT) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 525 New smartlist, old permissions restored. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 8 04:24:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mx2.eskimo.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Original-To: bilb@eskimo.com Delivered-To: bilb@eskimo.com Received: from mx2.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.eskimo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFA34010D; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 04:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx2.eskimo.com (Postfix, from userid 36987) id CA7CE400B9; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 04:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Delivered-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: <20190608112401.B3A5E400B9@mx2.eskimo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 04:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: nanook@eskimo.com X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Resent-Message-ID: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25846 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Test Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 04:24:25 -0700 (PDT) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 526 Test of mx2 after upgrade to Ubuntu 19.04 Disco Dingo. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 8 15:15:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mx1.eskimo.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Original-To: bilb@eskimo.com Delivered-To: bilb@eskimo.com Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ACA7FF84; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 15:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix, from userid 36987) id C783F7FCCF; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 15:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Delivered-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: <20190608221429.7C53E7FC9C@mx1.eskimo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 15:14:16 -0700 (PDT) From: nanook@eskimo.com X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Resent-Message-ID: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25847 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Last Test Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 15:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 527 This is a test at the conclusion of upgrade of mx1 to Ubuntu 19.04 Disco Dingo. If this test succeeds it will be the last for this upgrade procedure. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 8 16:45:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mx1.eskimo.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NO_DNS_FOR_FROM, SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Original-To: bilb@eskimo.com Delivered-To: bilb@eskimo.com Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC0B80027; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 16:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix, from userid 36987) id 88F43800F6; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 16:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Delivered-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Received-SPF: pass (gmail.com ... _spf.google.com: Sender is authorized to use 'felists@gmail.com' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'include:_netblocks.google.com' matched)) receiver=mx1.eskimo.com; identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="felists@gmail.com"; helo=mail-qt1-f169.google.com; client-ip=209.85.160.169 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:disposition-notification-to :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=goK7q4eE+rFBjVo4w7w+LvOXTxe1pVyQijHjSZuuxO0=; b=UUgX8NbUwHtF6V1CHSXPqAHXkiJirjXH61bvMf4mFdBDDfI8wV9Hr8EuCYFMhrIcbC wjfEehIXQ1x0NesLR47BHhFlUKngT0aQ6sKj4w9IAjgFZRr9A378sQxkgJAB8oPdNY0R 91iq6CbZeHfsQ8hOA9s0RrgtQ5RsLtwIhaeTbL+IYtE1cCO7bWrO5/+s1vE05u71Hw2M jTZXISYrYzpJzpmxYqFFprL9zN6mEGDZndUK27Hw0qNnuf52XUNc1mmF11pEu9FFqhn9 LomwuLCIC5aOKjF454WJj2I/edMTrk2JLRBKBO4qGuL380J27rSlf84zt1x+cwIUuI7g r41w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=goK7q4eE+rFBjVo4w7w+LvOXTxe1pVyQijHjSZuuxO0=; b=hIBaZnqRYl2JgSh296nxziUlKXNPV1Fgvqj0wsmZvzZ+bCZZ8/XCfozi1zcW7papis JP/xfmx1PtHA/t7GpKm2lfJJqk/FCXsFC5skYOInWxnxiMJ27JCQtv++rpKlIbYMjO7J cFVlUR1glUefUz4y+OlML+6ZBLFqGRYxudqTHxriYVBpL0NB6u+mDOaikuZ+kieOLPhY TEiV4JIIiVjN1dmWwuyiVxJmviQOWwg05HLOYq4Ryzel7Q7rts0JlgQVWyYhFw8kYf0N bze/nfyq0eNTkZo5M5czocnRdyyd3TudSCoPIai9p55iNg9Jk53SiBH8s8aDn45Zg2ae afqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUY0ZrQBQzK3fBXJJQjUYZKkPWseP50vNQm0Tgvs93Ac9XPH1lC XRduQx87WwBrLcLyZvCLdbMXyRki X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwbD8vaz/nSSxsXrCzWLaCdBlEfi39hdwypaurDnL+LyD93mdSkuX4WNVzW9rKpFy2q5wQIZA== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:9e0f:: with SMTP id p15mr51006719qve.176.1560037507881; Sat, 08 Jun 2019 16:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FG]: Last Test To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com References: <20190608221429.7C53E7FC9C@mx1.eskimo.com> From: MJ Message-ID: <7e280179-ebd1-c020-aa90-2fd82b6444d9@gmail.com> Disposition-Notification-To: MJ Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 20:45:01 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190608221429.7C53E7FC9C@mx1.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25848 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 16:45:09 -0700 (PDT) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 528     Seems to be working. On 08-Jun-19 19:14, nanook@eskimo.com wrote: > This is a test at the conclusion of upgrade of mx1 to Ubuntu 19.04 Disco Dingo. > If this test succeeds it will be the last for this upgrade procedure. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 8 19:30:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mx1.eskimo.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Original-To: bilb@eskimo.com Delivered-To: bilb@eskimo.com Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F251E80171; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 19:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix, from userid 36987) id CD8E9800FD; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 19:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Delivered-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Received-SPF: pass (rimstar.org: Sender is authorized to use 'stevend@rimstar.org' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'include:websitewelcome.com' matched)) receiver=mx1.eskimo.com; identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="stevend@rimstar.org"; helo=gateway32.websitewelcome.com; client-ip=192.185.145.178 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rimstar.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version:Content-Type: In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=HxTGVRQIgXqKoCjsf3l9yPsGCxu77adV2ZnLh654ch4=; b=cadgUqo9TzV7535mRrQ8c3ZGHP 4Bo/3UXKaEV2mC7u2wT0lbA3z42mE51+MhsSN2JbywtNpkVoD0o++uUyfJFyDbIMx0jLSBfL5M5jC JCs76G+scrY7SQglTRD6OqA0nYOmjY1PfDo1KO7ndbHFWXMjMK0h0vHRmgJ6ZVTpVi0hZYcDhJHN1 MEcPq9KHLDXbw775j6big7VRLeO+/PGGFA6OGTm03ClRgMGIqtHqAsXS9EXmN9V43jIm+2dAPQfUw +aAWBzJu8OGlfrargl5sD3EBKLHar2AvPHc3slpydNVfah3FgeJk6nCB0nG8BzKZmZELPXXZeM6mb A/9PMAqg==; Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 20:30:09 -0600 Message-ID: <20190608203009.Horde.XPZGcKGpN7yiVJE7So0kMcm@box5118.bluehost.com> From: stevend@rimstar.org To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Last Test References: <20190608221429.7C53E7FC9C@mx1.eskimo.com> <7e280179-ebd1-c020-aa90-2fd82b6444d9@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7e280179-ebd1-c020-aa90-2fd82b6444d9@gmail.com> User-Agent: Horde Application Framework 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box5118.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - eskimo.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rimstar.org X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 162.241.244.133 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1hZnaz-002AjG-9H X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box5118.bluehost.com [162.241.244.133]:47726 X-Source-Auth: stevend@rimstar.org X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: cmltc3Rhcm87cmltc3Rhcm87Ym94NTExOC5ibHVlaG9zdC5jb20= X-Local-Domain: yes X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25849 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 19:30:10 -0700 (PDT) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 529 Please remove me from this mailing list. Quoting MJ : >     Seems to be working. > > > On 08-Jun-19 19:14, nanook@eskimo.com wrote: >> This is a test at the conclusion of upgrade of mx1 to Ubuntu 19.04 >> Disco Dingo. >> If this test succeeds it will be the last for this upgrade procedure. >> >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 9 07:03:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mx1.eskimo.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Original-To: bilb@eskimo.com Delivered-To: bilb@eskimo.com Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9898D80261; Sun, 9 Jun 2019 07:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix, from userid 36987) id 7FF65801CB; Sun, 9 Jun 2019 07:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Delivered-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Received-SPF: pass (gmail.com ... _spf.google.com: Sender is authorized to use 'esaruoho@gmail.com' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'include:_netblocks.google.com' matched)) receiver=mx1.eskimo.com; identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="esaruoho@gmail.com"; helo=mail-it1-f182.google.com; client-ip=209.85.166.182 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hWixHAjxH5f7cpXu88wIxWn9uAHvLBT2q64coNbJX08=; b=PtYv7tOvrlf19vp69n0Fgc0qNqTP3wVOC6CFIGHUhaKs/g0Xg0fwYcE+IG6SNpxRa6 EAWH1HFjQGSMMPnVgp6eT75aFHNEMYebokzoIZSehQMibfeAYjVvVwTLktcZL4ucofma E80qaXyE+00piP+DD1qEmkzjb4cMe3OlYSagMESDkaDYAuOzihgpxf7ddw+jKehB2AfL rWzTq6zLOwjgAQG9YxbQUOKcWsEbf3V0G08bkL8mz3A/o8XNCXN3hBEX23JU66Y3ljAk qZSnyQcztO6sjcEXcmJ8hZ1sp8qbf6G1s6M8S6dOPSpj3s5xZ+V471aNqirkliLTYkEb ozRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=hWixHAjxH5f7cpXu88wIxWn9uAHvLBT2q64coNbJX08=; b=MJGAohKsT+uM/iqHbWeZ8lmPHrUSqERci5MSeeeuSDF5I5Fu4S9k+Tg91zJRKjaDIK Yr8Ejj32kSRVYwDr25gRzsj/Vkw6NnXJZvJWL9trVhdtWby189CK6pbEnMsnzDF6P7Mo 4n8JeUxrsXbFyL1/IEBGwjSCdVlAMFVm6aBAnNP13CF/OyztcJmS38tZQEtIWgKmZRqC /DYQ7zZgtv7cUIoz8WKyzD+GoFcvQXdZgEYb34tB74YUCbvZ/4A4Y6FBCcm/0bEId4Mn MJ+CsKUvQywqyisBE+sxt9VzgKHMFSjJwuULrTuDS4TQsQjm4CimudC7TPWt1QsUSVsX urog== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWVOHaAfo7456+lCf3sdthnT8e6IjUAgsDF4A0SO+kRZDuq12GP VcQVt9jZUiqkZoeNpeIeA/685Y279SMY2QBhpnlRQjKxpQ4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzqKzOjPo/56/HuM1ZrGDDKLZ+AreW9c9mrsu2lNJJaEm7J0Vsf6qBCQ03m8Jd2XTuKX8bI1ILNuqWnZ/PvMZc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:660c:64f:: with SMTP id y15mr11307734itk.180.1560089004468; Sun, 09 Jun 2019 07:03:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190608084247.BB330414D2@mx2.eskimo.com> In-Reply-To: <20190608084247.BB330414D2@mx2.eskimo.com> From: Esa Ruoho Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 17:03:13 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FG]: Test 4 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000edf19e058ae4869b" X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25850 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 07:03:28 -0700 (PDT) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 530 --000000000000edf19e058ae4869b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" this project is pretty awesome - Ruby Carat is interviewing Cold Fusion LENR/CANR movers and shakers and if you're rolling in cash, you can support the podcast series via patreon! https://www.patreon.com/coldfusionnow http://coldfusionnow.org/cfnpodcast/ On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 at 11:43, wrote: > After permissions reset. > > -- http://linkedin.com/in/esaruoho // http://twitter.com/esaruoho // http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // +358403703659 // http://lackluster.org // skype:esajuhaniruoho // iMessage esaruoho@gmail.com // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com // http://deposit4se.tumblr.com // http://facebook.com/LacklusterOfficial // --000000000000edf19e058ae4869b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--000000000000edf19e058ae4869b-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 9 09:27:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mx1.eskimo.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Original-To: bilb@eskimo.com Delivered-To: bilb@eskimo.com Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B2C801F4; Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx1.eskimo.com (Postfix, from userid 36987) id 5837980008; Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Delivered-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Received-SPF: pass (mac.com: 17.58.38.41 is authorized to use 'danielgmiller@mac.com' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'ip4:17.58.0.0/16' matched)) receiver=mx1.eskimo.com; identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="danielgmiller@mac.com"; helo=ms11p00im-qufo17291201.me.com; client-ip=17.58.38.41 X-Greylist: delayed 449 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at mx1; Sun, 09 Jun 2019 09:27:24 PDT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mac.com; s=04042017; t=1560097189; bh=dJF2Nsh34/cI/DwWk6HCIH3kOzzhgtIJnjDSNiquV4I=; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:To:Message-Id; b=JHjyq24yj2+i37MEvTTnU0tYKzf98BaeXztfk39il1wVWJ2yA5MCsES+fcGwlUaof Aca/UFM5maJd2YeFceQxPj0e79P7wcgG9n6fCzAX+NdpiRhKj4Ce2s2R49UqssEOSF xGbrweYEa0fDhw7AT0CqxgsHX0T+QsDNCNJKLPoeytdOB+A5efmIvSCsl64SM0Dadr uwJs3sh7NPYdUy9nuFj08UpaAns3D7SQC7T4jLU28bnX/jhnO7GTFmHb/URbVkLyao vcfupo8mz816aiiTpKznlc22eNJIVoybE+ZmUTQWkU5ZxpCHlKHwFIlbUekoJua92y TaYn8gxD3yMLw== From: Daniel Miller Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1BA640E9-9731-4E91-94C4-B6E02D00B3C4" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: [FG]: Test 4 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 11:19:49 -0500 References: <20190608084247.BB330414D2@mx2.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2019-06-09_04:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=708 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1906090123 X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25851 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 531 --Apple-Mail=_1BA640E9-9731-4E91-94C4-B6E02D00B3C4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please remove me from this mailing list > On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >=20 > this project is pretty awesome - Ruby Carat is interviewing Cold = Fusion LENR/CANR movers and shakers and if you're rolling in cash, you = can support the podcast series via patreon! > https://www.patreon.com/coldfusionnow = > http://coldfusionnow.org/cfnpodcast/ = =20 >=20 >=20 > On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 at 11:43, > wrote: > After permissions reset. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://linkedin.com/in/esaruoho // = http://twitter.com/esaruoho // = http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // > +358403703659 // http://lackluster.org // = skype:esajuhaniruoho // iMessage esaruoho@gmail.com = // > http://esaruoho.tumblr.com // = http://deposit4se.tumblr.com // = http://facebook.com/LacklusterOfficial = // --Apple-Mail=_1BA640E9-9731-4E91-94C4-B6E02D00B3C4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Please remove me from this mailing list


On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Esa = Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:

this project is = pretty awesome - Ruby Carat is interviewing Cold Fusion LENR/CANR movers = and shakers and if you're rolling in cash, you can support the podcast = series via patreon!
https://www.patreon.com/coldfusionnow
http://coldfusionnow.org/cfnpodcast/ 


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