This is the website for VORTEX-L, an internet email forum or "list." For
more info on lists, go here. Also see the 'weird science' section on this
WWW ACCESS: To inspect the current conversations on the forum, but
without turning on
VORTEX B: Besides "vortex-L", there is also "vortexB-L." This is a secondary forum which has no rules. We use it for extremely off-topic discussions, and also as a flameproof place for any groups who feel a need to engage in verbal fisticuffs.
Vortex-L Discussion Group
The Vortex-L email list was originally created
for discussions of professional
research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which exhibit anomalous
energy effects (ie: the inventions of Schaeffer, Huffman, Griggs, and
Potapov among others.) Currently it has evolved into a discussion on
"taboo" physics reports and research. SKEPTICS BEWARE, the topics wander
from Cold Fusion, to reports of excess energy in Free Energy devices,
gravity generation and detection, reports of theoretically impossible
phenomena, and all sorts of supposedly crackpot claims. Before you
subscribe, please see the rules
below. This is a public, lightly-
moderated smartlist list.
There is no charge, but donations towards expenses are
Admin addr: vortex-Lemail@example.com
Mail addr: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Digest addr: firstname.lastname@example.org
Moderator: (Bill Beaty)
William J. Beaty
6632 Corson Ave S
Seattle, WA 98108
Other relevant links:
NEW MESSAGE ARCHIVE (on WWW, via mail-archive.com)
VORTEX-L ZIP Archives (large!)
VORTEX-L Misc. Files
Vortex tube links
Test of Potapov device by Field Co., Japan
Amperian Electrodynamics, Longitudinal EM force
Other EM anomalies
Vortex-L subscription instructions:
To subscribe, send a *blank* message to:
Put the single word "subscribe" in the subject line of the header. No
quotes around "subscribe," of course.
You will get an automatic greeting message in response. Once
subscribed, send your email to vortex-L@eskimo.com.
To unsubscribe, send a *blank* message to:
Put the single word "unsubscribe" in the subject line of the header. No
quotes around "unsubscribe," of course.
Vortex-L digest mode:
If you prefer "digest" mode messages, collections of messages up to
40K total or every 2 days, then subscribe to the vortex-digest
instead of to vortex-L. Send a blank message to:
Put the single word "subscribe" in the subject line of the header.
Vortex-L and Vortex-digest are two separate lists. It is possible
to subscribe to one or the other or both.
If your email address changes, you can email to fix
things. Or, you can simply send a "subscribe" command while using
your new account. When your old account is turned off, the vortex-L
bounce detector will unsubscribe it. Or, if you still have access
to the older account address, you can unsubscribe yourself using
WARNING: THE "UNSUBSCRIBER" MIGHT GET YOU
Vortex-L software contains a mechanism which might automatically
This will happen if your email address starts bouncing all vortex-L
email for several days. This is done in order to stop possible
email-loops, and to prevent the eskimo.com software from being
overwhelmed by email-bounce warning messages.
When the Unsubscriber takes you off, it sends you a message explaining
its action. Unfortunately this message will usually bounce also. From
your viewpoint the message traffic from Vortex-L will suddenly cease.
If the email server on your internet service has a habit of overloading
or crashing for several days at at time, you will probably encounter the
Unsubscriber. If vortex-L traffic seems to suddenly stop, or if your
messages to the group are returned with warnings that you are not
subscribed, simply resubscribe to Vortex-L. Missed messages are
available as textfiles on the Vortex-L webpage, or go to the archive
service at http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/
1. $10/yr donation
2. NO SNEERING
3. KEEP MESSAGES UNDER 60K
4. DON'T QUOTE ENTIRE MESSAGES NEEDLESSLY
5. DON'T CC OTHER LIST SERVERS
6. NO SPAMMING
1. If VORTEX-L proves very useful or interesting to you, please consider
making a $10US/yr donation to help cover operating expenses. If you
cannot afford this, please feel free to participate anyway. If you
would like to give more, please do! Direct your check to the
moderator, address above. Or paypal: billb -a- amasci dotcom
2. NO SNEERING. Ridicule, derision, scoffing, and ad-hominem is banned.
Debunking or "Pathological Skepticism" is banned (see the link.)
Vortex-L is a snark-free zone. The tone here should be one of
legitimate disagreement and respectful debate. Vortex-L is a big nasty
nest of 'true believers' (hopefully having some tendency to avoid
self-deception,) and Skeptic/debunkers may as well leave in disgust.
But if your mind is open and you wish to test "crazy" claims rather
than ridiculing them or explaining them away, hop on board!
MORE (please read.)
(For a good analysis of the negative aspects of skepticism, see
ZEN AND THE ART OF DEBUNKERY at http://amasci.com/pathskep.html)
3. Small email files please. The limit is set to 60K right now, those
exceeding the limit will be forwarded to Bill Beaty. Some
members are on limited service, or have to pay for received email.
Diagrams and graphics can be mailed to me or John Logajan and posted
on our webpages for viewing.
4. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE: when you reply to a message DON'T include the
ENTIRE message in your reply. Your msg may exceed the 60K limit and
end up vanished. Always edit it a bit and delete something. The
entire message should only be included if: (A) you are replying to a
message that is many days old, or (B) you are doing a point-by-point
reply to many parts of a message. Many vortex users must pay by the
kilobyte for receiving message traffic, and large amounts of redundant
messages are irritating and expensive. So, when including a quoted
message in your reply, ALWAYS DELETE SOMETHING, the more the better.
5. Please do not include any other email list in the TO line or the CC
line of your messages to vortex-L. In the past this has caused
storms of "thread leakage" between lists and redundant messages as
replies from subscribers go to both lists. It's OK to manually forward
mail from other lists to vortex-L, as long as the TO line and CC line
has only vortex-L and no other list.
6. "Junkmail" email advertising will not be tolerated. While not illegal
yet, widecasting of junk-email ads to listservers is against the
Unwritten Rules of the Internet. Anyone who spams vortex-L with junkmail
will be referred to the Internet Vigilante Justice team. ;)
Occasional on-topic advertising by long-time vortex-L users is acceptable.
- Bill B.